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Could Sen. John mcCain lose his primary this August? Photo by Andrew Harrer

For the last month, Arizona Sen. John McCain has been running his primary campaign against former Rep. J.D. Hayworth as if it was the final weekend of the 2008 presidential campaign.

On a daily basis, McCain's team bashes Hayworth while simultaneously working to shore up the Senator's right flank through a series of symbolic acts ranging from the rejection of the "maverick" title he wore proudly during both of his presidential campaigns to his forceful support of Arizona's controversial new immigration law.

(McCain released an ad recently in which he urges the federal government to "complete the danged fence", a message that seems to be a departure in emphasis -- if not substance -- from his past position.)

Republican observers are divided about the message being sent by McCain's aggressiveness: is he acting out of an abundance of caution or is he panicked by the possibility he will come up short against Hayworth on Aug. 24?

McCain communications director Brian Rogers, not surprisingly insists it's the former option at work. "We have understood from the very beginning that this is one of the most challenging environments for incumbents that we've seen for decades," he told the Fix, adding the the Senator is running more against the environment than against Hayworth who he described as "irrelevant" in terms of the McCain strategy.

Rogers added that McCain draws more attention by dint of his role as a former nominee of the party and that the criticism that he is somehow changing from the old McCain has been around for years -- noting that people leveled that criticism at him as far back as 2004 when he endorsed George W. Bush for re-election.

(One high level Republican strategist suggested the hyper-intensity of the McCain campaign is due to the fact that many of his advisers in the 2008 presidential race -- Rogers, campaign manager Rick Davis, media consultant Fred Davis and pollster Bill McInturff -- are also involved in the Senate race and haven't adjusted entirely to the scaling back from a nationwide bid to a single state contest.)

Even McCain's staunchest allies acknowledge, however, that Hayworth poses the most serious challenge to McCain's re-election prospects since he was first elected to the House in 1982. That vulnerability is due not only to the anti-incumbent sentiment in the country but also the primacy of immigration as a central issue in the race -- an issue that nearly ended McCain's 2008 presidential hopes when he came out in favor of comprehensive immigration reform.

Public polling bears the closeness of the race out. A Research 2000 poll conducted for the liberal Daily Kos blog earlier this month showed McCain leading Hayworth 48 percent to 36 percent. That margin is, roughly, reflected in private polling that shows McCain at or slightly above 50 percent but with a double digit edge over Hayworth, according to sources who have seen the data.

The central question of the race is whether Hayworth is the right messenger to seize the anti-establishment energy being channeled through the Tea Party movement across the country.

First elected in 1994, Hayworth held the 5th district until 2006 when he was ousted by Democrat Harry Mitchell who ran against Hayworth's big personality -- he is a former sportscaster -- and ties to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

McCain has picked up where Mitchell left off -- battering Hayworth on ethics and seeking to paint him as a big spending earmarker during his 12 years on Congress.

Hayworth's problem at the moment is that he is badly outgunned financially by McCain. At the end of March, McCain had $4.6 million in the bank after spending nearly $3 million in the first three months of the year alone. Hayworth, by contrast had $681,000 in the bank after spending $392,000 between Jan. 1 and March 31.

Hayworth doesn't need as much money as McCain to win the race but he does have to stay within shouting distance so that voters looking for an alternative know that they have one.

It's clear that there is a certain segment of Arizona Republicans who, over the years since McCain was elected to the Senate in 1986, have soured on him and will vote for anyone other than him on the Aug. 24 ballot.

But, those voters do not comprise a majority in the primary -- meaning that Hayworth must find a way reach more moderate Republicans and even independents (who can vote in the GOP primary) to seriously threaten McCain. To date, Hayworth has shown little inclination to make that outreach.

McCain's situation is clearly precarious given the depth of anti-incumbent sentiment nationwide and the frustration directed at him by many conservatives. But, unlike some of his colleagues -- Utah Sen. Bob Bennett being a prime example -- McCain has recognized early the seriousness of the threat and moved to solve the problem.

Does that mean victory is assured? Far from it. But McCain appears to be doing everything he can to avoid that nightmare scenario.

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 11, 2010; 4:02 PM ET
Categories:  Senate  
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I'm embarrassed to admit that I once voted for John McCain. He does have this tendency to panic when under stress: remember trying to call a halt to the convention (a hurricane) and the campaign (the market crisis) when he faced difficulties in 2008? Remember his refusal to speak at the TARP meeting at the Bush White House in September 2008? Remember his inability to look Obama in the eye during the first debate? Senator McCain, there's much more to be gained in life by knowing when its time to leave. Not overstaying your welcome. There is more dignity in losing for the right reasons than in winning for all of the wrong reasons. The problem with Senator McCain is that he want to stay in the Senate in the worst way possible, as is revealed by his campaign tactics.

Posted by: osullivanc1 | May 17, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It is true, as in any race, you have your ignorant, angry voters who are angry at a politician over one decision or another. I do not believe Arizona has enough voters who are willing to gamble on unethical, inexperienced, big spending, blowhard JD. When you compare these two candidates, there is NO doubt that the best candidate is McCain. Had another, more qualified, more ethical candidate come into this race from the Repub party, we could face a close race. As it stands, as much as AZ wants change, we know McCain is the man to get that done for us.

Posted by: antidonkey | May 13, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Hayworth's an unrealistic approach will not work for AZ. I fear his policies will tear this community apart.

Posted by: robinsnobird | May 13, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Hayworth's an unrealistic approach will not work for AZ. I fear his policies will tear this community apart.

Posted by: robinsnobird | May 13, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

The alternative, JD Hayworth would be the biggest mistake Arizona voters could make. JD lost his seat to the Democrat Mitchell during his last Washington experience. JD has a long history of immoral and unethical behavior. JD was a big spender in Washington, earmarks were his specialty. I am not going to vote JD, not for anything. McCain is the best candidate.

Posted by: antidonkey | May 12, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Texas. You say human life is "sacred." This is a religious value, predicated on (1) belief in a giant magic supernatural being. I don't believe in the supernatural. And we are a secular nation, not Iran (2) conceit for one's own specie. The sacredness of human life is only one step removed from white supremacy.

And oh, please, don't ignore my posts, whatever would I do without the diligent readership of a social conservative wingnut from Texas. Oh the pain, make it STOP.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 12, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I reiterate: your "sanctity of human life" is bigotry. I don't share it. I say that an intelligent animal with a mind and experience of its own is worth more than a human blastula.

If you could come up with a real rebuttal you wouldn't have needed the phony outrage and trite emotionalism, nor would you have needed to come up with this ridiculous lie.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 12, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

That post says it all. Yeah a human life's worth is ten times what a spotted owl is. That type of tree-hugging psycho-babble is what drives people nuts. Human life is sacred and should be treasured. This does show just how twisted your view on life in general. I would recommend everyone just ignore you from now on since you have nothing to add of substance, and all you are doing is spitting out electronic hate (yes you liberals do it too, but somehow some of you spin it as 'tolerance,' but that is not fair to some of the liberal posters who bring up legitimate points)

Posted by: TexasProud1 | May 12, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

bumblingberry; since you seem to miss the thread of the confab going on here in your haste to insult the longtime commentors, we're talking about McCain/Hayworth campaign. How anyone could not question McCain's health and mental fitness is beyond me. I don't know what JD is about, but at least he probably hasn't written a book calling himself a maverick, then deny ever calling himself that. How ridiculous is that!! Talk about saying anything to get elected!!!

Posted by: katem1 | May 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Here's the post, not that I think you really care or that your views are any different than this, but it definitely came from a fevered and deranged mind, Noacoler's:

"at the time of abortions, and in fact for some time after birth, there is no self-awareness. An aborted fetus doesn't even have as much mind or individuality as a mouse. So unless you are just as adamant about preventing the murder of rodents invading your house then you are not expressing a universal moral view, you are expressing a form of religious bigotry, the one that says human beings are separate from the rest of the natural kingdom" 

I've actually seen some survivors of botched abortions. Most don't survive, but occasionally one does. One had a sort of stub where the arm should have been, but she managed to get by and grow to adulthood. Her only deformity was a result of the botched late-term abortion.
I don't know how much self awareness she had "after birth", but she probably had as much mind or individuality as a mouse.

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If you're done with the synthetic outrage, care to explained what is so "fevered and deranged" about that?  I've laid out a sold moral foundation for the value of life: consciousness, the individuality of experience.  A fetus at the time of the great majority of abortions isn't a child in form or function save the potential of its genes, which is equally true of a hangnail.   I say that in the absence of a mind there is nothing to murder.

What's your moral foundation?  "Human life is sacred," aka "an acephalic fetus is worth more than all the whales in the ocean," and you call *me* deranged?

Small wonder you have to invent some BS about a "survivor of an abortion," yeah right, changing the venue on the fly from a blastula to a late third trimester abortion and insulting our intelligence with a fable about an aborted fetus who survive.  Huh?  She crawled out of a medical waste jar?

You're ill.

I reiterate: your "sanctity of human life" is bigotry.  I don't share it.  I say that an intelligent animal with a mind and experience of its own is worth more than a human blastula.  

If you could come up with a real rebuttal you wouldn't have needed the phony outrage and trite emotionalism, nor would you have needed to come up with this ridiculous lie.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 12, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Funny, I didn't see that.. of course, i'm not on here every minute. But perhaps it was the product of a fevered imagination.

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 10:51

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Here's the post, not that I think you really care or that your views are any different than this, but it definitely came from a fevered and deranged mind, Noacoler's:

"at the time of abortions, and in fact for some time after birth, there is no self-awareness. An aborted fetus doesn't even have as much mind or individuality as a mouse. So unless you are just as adamant about preventing the murder of rodents invading your house then you are not expressing a universal moral view, you are expressing a form of religious bigotry, the one that says human beings are separate from the rest of the natural kingdom"

I've actually seen some survivors of botched abortions. Most don't survive, but occasionally one does. One had a sort of stub where the arm should have been, but she managed to get by and grow to adulthood. Her only deformity was a result of the botched late-term abortion.
I don't know how much self awareness she had "after birth", but she probably had as much mind or individuality as a mouse.

The one thing I recall about the above post was that it did not elicit a peep out of leichtman1. You see all blacks were once considered less than human in this country, now it's just their unborn children that are less than human.

Someone with this type of mindset (men and rodents no different) could probably have endorsed Curtis Le May's suggestion during the Vietnam war: you conduct a brief bombing campaign against North Vietnam; three days later, if you can find one square inch of the country that isn't black and smoking, then you didn't do the job right. Men, yellow rodents, what's the difference really?

Go back and check any posts that may have been submitted after one of Cheney's heart attacks or perhaps after Bob Novak's death. Then come back and give me some more phony liberal outrage. How small minded and pathetic some of you people can be.

Posted by: Brigade | May 12, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

It's OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE BILL


THIS CHARACTER MOLLOHAN THOUGHT HE COULD VOTE WITH OBAMA AND THEN JUST PRANCE THROUGH THE WOODS.

Well - He should have LISTENED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY DID NOT WANT ANOTHER MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM - AND THEY DID NOT WANT OBAMA'S MASSIVE TAXES.

Get it?

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 11, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


It appears that the democrats are not happy unless they are lying - by calling the Republicans racist, gay-bashing, gun-loving red-necks.

Anyway....

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 11, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


The double standards and hypocrisy have become the primary planks of the democratic party.

Clear and simple.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 11, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

But I have noticed your double standards---no comment when whoever it was hoped that McCain would get bone cancer. Different when it's someone on your side of the aisle.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 10:38 PM
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There are some people who would not consider cursing others to get strokes, cancer, or die. I put myself in that category. Please join me, or you have no moral highground upon which to stand and holler "double standard".

Please join me. And I extend that invitation to everyone on this blog.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, and Leichtman, was that a conservative poster the other day who was going on about how infants have no self awareness so, viable or not, it's okay to kill them and toss them into the garbage?"

Funny, I didn't see that.. of course, i'm not on here every minute. But perhaps it was the product of a fevered imagination.

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

to what, shrink? I certainly hope the lumatic hayworth doesn't win, but McCain is getting kind of wobbley... time to go.

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Leichtman, was that a conservative poster the other day who was going on about how infants have no self awareness so, viable or not, it's okay to kill them and toss them into the garbage? If I travelled in your circles, I doubt I'd have the brass to lecture someone else about what's subhuman or disgusting.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Heh, heh,

Nixon did not win lower office, aiming lower failed, but he came back to become President on his next try, no doubt about that.

So who can salvage a political career after losing a Presidential campaign? Nixon did it by aiming higher, even after a swing and a miss.

Can McCain make a political comeback, like Kerry?

Posted by: shrink2 | May 11, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Do you all have ANY IDEA how you sound without me grounding you in the important issues?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 11, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1 wrote,
"brigade: your 8:55 post was vile and disgusting;its subhuman to celebrate someone's stroke."

You must have comprehension problems. I didn't notice any celebration. But I have noticed your double standards---no comment when whoever it was hoped that McCain would get bone cancer. Different when it's someone on your side of the aisle.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

@shrink - Sorry, but he didn't. Remember that Nixon failed for *lower* office (Gov-CA, I think) before winning the presidency in 1968. Checkers, anyone?

Barry Goldwater stands as someone who stayed in office to be a lion of his party. I would argue that Teddy Kennedy also qualifies in that context.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 11, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

brigade: your 8:55 post was vile and disgusting;its subhuman to celebrate someone's stroke. Reminds me of the TeaParty
signs celebrating the death of Teddy,
bury HC with Teddy or some such garbage.
Many of us here have given you
the benefit of the doubt as being a
voice of reason. Don't worry we won't
make that mistake again. We now understand
why your are part of the radical right
that will say anything, and do anything to make a point, no matter how disgusting.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 11, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Look, Palin exited elected office.
She did it to press the reset button.

She had to get away from the McCain campaign.

She is now her own entity.
She hopes no one thinks of her as McCain's 2nd.

So she is not staying the same,
she is either declining or rising.

You have to go up or down.

McCain is going down, he can try to grab a bush.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 11, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

A correction here -- as of this year's primary election cycle in Arizona, you must be registered as a Republican to vote in the Republican primary. Given that Republicans nationwide are scrambling to the far right, and that Republicans in Arizona have had a head start in that vector, the requirement to be a registered Republican provides JD Hateward with a better chance than you might expect. Similarly, the primary battles for Governor and state Attorney General in Arizona include a very far right versus a not quite as far right set of battles -- again, the very far right candidates have a very real chance of winning the nomination.

To a degree, moderates and Democrats might be well served by the far right tilt of Arizona Republican politics -- it might actually provide an opportunity to win some of these elections in November.

At the moment, the Democrats, expecting McCain to win the primary, are not looking to put up a solid candidate, but if it looks like JD Hateward can win, that might change.

Posted by: Barry8 | May 11, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

well that ain't gonna happen... as Commander in Chief he has all the papers he needs. Besides, he like me is boycotting Arizona.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama better hope he does not get pulled over and they find out he was born in Kenya... Aye Carumba !

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 9:26 PM

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Copy that.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Again, looking for someone who went for the POTUS, got close, but failed...
and then got elected back to a lower office.

Sheesh, it isn't that big a question. You get to keep trying to get up, but going down is harsh. McCain is in that category.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm off to the crapper.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 9:17 PM

Don't fall in.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

McRunt better hope he does not get pulled over and they find out he was born in Panama... Aye Carumba !

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Nope.
He kept going for higher office.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 11, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

John Kerry is still real, but surely there must be somebody else who got close to the Presidency, failed in the general and then had a distinguished political career.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 11, 2010 8:41 PM

I don't know if everyone considers his career distinguished, but Nixon enjoyed some success after getting edged in 1960.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

@shrink - You pose a tricky question as it must be limited to the Democratic or Republican nominee. Also a problem, since the winner is excluded.

I guess I have to go back a little further:

Richard

Millhouse

Nixon

Ela!!!

BB

P.S. I'd argue that Barry Goldwater had a long and distinguished career. Considered the father of modern conservatism and the teabaggers would pillory him as a RINO nowadays.

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 11, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

On a gay mailing list I was on years ago there was a stupid lesbian worked for IBM who would show up at the end of the day, and just like Brigade she would respond to just about every post that had gone by while she was at work, almost every one of them "LOL!" or "ROFL!"

Compared to Brigade's nasty little snark, she was a stellar contributor.

I'm off to the gym.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

gotta give you that one, suzy, that describes the pic perfectly

Brigade, congratulations, you have managed to erase any impression that you were a fresh voice here

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

We, as residents of southeastern Arizona, are sick and tired of McCain and Kyl claiming they represent us. They are corporate shills and we know it. So the "anybody but McCain" phenom is for real.

Posted by: deadchief | May 11, 2010 6:04 PM

I suppose that explains why they keep getting re-elected.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain is lucky enough to still matter, he'll be in rarefied air,
maybe he knows something about that.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 11, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Given the staggering difference between the McCain of 2000 and of 2008 I would say the bitter old coot checked out long ago. There's nothing left of him."

Now you've got McCain mixed up with Gore.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Mr Cillizza, that photo you posted of McCain at the top of this article - can you change it? He looks like he's sitting on a toilet having a hard time. You said you have two new assistants. Use them to find some better photos.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"Srivener50 wrote,
"NEWS BULLETIN: Beau Biden, Delaware attorney general and son of Vice President Joe Biden, suffers mild stroke."

Must have caught it from his dad.

Posted by: Brigade "


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just pathetic, reflexive inhuman bile.. green vomit.

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

when I think about McRunt and the Teabaggers with PTBPS (Post
Traumatic Black President Syndrome) I'm reminded of that old
joke... Why does a Dog lick its genitalia in public? -- Because it can.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 5:47 PM

-------

I'm sure when you're around the Dog has plenty of help.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Loved the article. Cosign TexasProud on the comments section. With regards to failed presidential candidates, there's one prominent exception:

Ronald

Wilson

Reagan.
♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲♲

Ronald Wilson Reagan (666) was the anti-Christ

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"RE Palin, Drindl wrote,
"she realized she could make more as another empty-headed demagogue on FOX."

a LOT more than as another empty-headed demagogue on MSNBC or CNN.

Posted by: Brigade "

.
who cares, and step away from your obsession.

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

WillSeattle wrote,
"We here in Seattle are boycotting Arizona . . ."

Who's we? Do you have something in your pocket?

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Srivener50 wrote,
"NEWS BULLETIN: Beau Biden, Delaware attorney general and son of Vice President Joe Biden, suffers mild stroke."

Must have caught it from his dad.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

And to think that at one point we thought we had a real conservative contributor here ... what the hell could we have been thinking

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

TheBobBob wrote,
"America won't tolerate a loser."

Some Americans are tolerating the loser in the White House.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"With regards to failed presidential candidates, there's one prominent exception: Ronald Reagan. BB"

No. On the way up, you can keep aiming for the same place, striving. The point was what happens when you aim down after you fail.

It isn't some kind of abstract or new idea.
In hierarchical competition in general (the Star Culture industry, for example), a person is widely perceived as going up or down. In general, you don't get to stay the same and then die of old age.

Trying to get up, getting knocked down and then up again and succeeding, that is perhaps the central tenet of the American Dream.

Getting knocked down and trying to get your old job back...not so much.

John Kerry is still real, but surely there must be somebody else who got close to the Presidency, failed in the general and then had a distinguished political career.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 11, 2010 8:41 PM

Shrink, you've convinced me that scrivener is right about those radio waves. You need to get yourself a shield. I posted a picture a while back that featured an American Icon showing a famous Russian how to make a shield. See if you can find it.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

All I have to say is how pathetic is the republican party when the guy that lead them to the presidency is being threatened by a nobody simply because the tea party like they guy

...

So the tea party threatens to kill yet another moderate ... pathetic.

How do you Tea party folks plan to win a general election if you keep moving further to the right???

Posted by: fjt123 | May 11, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

RE Palin, Drindl wrote,
"she realized she could make more as another empty-headed demagogue on FOX."

a LOT more than as another empty-headed demagogue on MSNBC or CNN.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh you don't need to ask my permission, Suzy, if I was offended by hate and crudity I would stay away from places where conservatives post

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I thought he told Obama to "eat sh*t."

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 8:31 PM


One other thing, Noacoler. Next time I use hyperbole in one of my statements, I’ll get your permission first. OK?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 wrote,
"Point is, lovable losers is just a figure of speech."

At least where Kerry and Gore are concerned.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"With regards to failed presidential candidates, there's one prominent exception: Ronald Reagan. BB"

No. On the way up, you can keep aiming for the same place, striving. The point was what happens when you aim down after you fail.

It isn't some kind of abstract or new idea.
In hierarchical competition in general (the Star Culture industry, for example), a person is widely perceived as going up or down. In general, you don't get to stay the same and then die of old age.

Trying to get up, getting knocked down and then up again and succeeding, that is perhaps the central tenet of the American Dream.

Getting knocked down and trying to get your old job back...not so much.

John Kerry is still real, but surely there must be somebody else who got close to the Presidency, failed in the general and then had a distinguished political career.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 11, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues wrote,
"Someone needs to educate me how Hayworth has a chance. There must be something I'm missing."

I know what's missing 12Bar, but it isn't you that's missing it.

Posted by: Brigade | May 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I thought he told Obama to "eat sh*t." Now you have me doubting the call even happened.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 8:31 PM


Scott Brown was more diplomatic than the words I used, but it amounts to the same thing. If you don't believe the call happened because I said so, maybe you'll believe CNN.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/20/obama-calls-scott-brown-to-start-immigration-reform-push/?fbid=t5RRgLHHb64

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I thought he told Obama to "eat sh*t." Now you have me doubting the call even happened.

Anyway, it's a lose-lose for you .. if he legislates like a knucklewalker then he's gone soon, and if he doesn't he doesn't help you.

DeMint is a buffoon. You guys have such low standards.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Riddle me this, Suzy. Why are you still crowing about Scott Brown when he's very far to the left of so many other Republicans you guys scream about as "Rinos?" I'd think you'd be condemning him right and left for working with Obama.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 8:02 PM

Noacoler, I think I answered that like a hundred times already. Scott Brown represents Mass - an ultra liberal state. I never expected him to be the next Jim DeMint. I'd love it if he were, but it won't happen. Scott Brown was against the Health Care Bill. He recently told obama to take a hike when asked if he would co-sponsor an immigration bill. He's doing just fine. Believe me, I don't miss Teddy one bit.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

But August is a long ways off and the immigration issue is hurting McCain. Let's see what happens.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 8:16 PM
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Fair enough. It looks like it's about time for the Arizona polls to be coming out (around 12th of the month).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

@suzy,

I know you are a big Hayworth fan. Why is he going to win, if McCain leads him 12 points in the polls?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 8:01 PM


12BB, I'm more anti-Mccain than I am a big JD fan. Hayworth hasn't exactly been a reliable conservative vote on all issues, but he's still much better than McCain.

There's still about three months to go before the Arizona primary. If it were held today, yeah, JD would lose. But August is a long ways off and the immigration issue is hurting McCain. Let's see what happens.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

that's the kind of of stupid sh*t Jake would say

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 8:06 PM
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Get out the garlic and crosses.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

What do you suggest they be based on, obama's Koran?

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that's the kind of of stupid sh*t Jake would say

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Riddle me this, Suzy. Why are you still crowing about Scott Brown when he's very far to the left of so many other Republicans you guys scream about as "Rinos?" I'd think you'd be condemning him right and left for working with Obama.

But then you guys never seem to care about being consistent.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

He ought to be in a lot of trouble for handing the nation that dim-wit who thinks America's laws should be based on the Ten Commandments

Posted by: JRM2 | May 11, 2010 7:14 PM

What do you suggest they be based on, obama's Koran?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

@suzy,

I know you are a big Hayworth fan. Why is he going to win, if McCain leads him 12 points in the polls?

I'm not doubting your guy, but wondering how he catches up.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused when is a 12 point lead considered close?

Posted by: cleancut77 | May 11, 2010 5:41 PM


When you're Martha Coakley. A fifty point lead was close for her.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

BP Oil gusher hearings

Wall Street Journal ran piece: Two Oil Firms Link Rig Blast to 'Plug'

This is the cement story, the introduction of sea water, and supposedly the cause of the explosion that caused all this.

During the hearing, the three "defendants" all went vague when Sen. Udall questioned them about it, whether they had read it, or read it carefully. Whenever people all get vague in unison, that's a clue.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704879704575236553480511416.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

We here in Seattle are boycotting Arizona - and the worldwide boycott is growing day by day.

Posted by: WillSeattle | May 11, 2010 5:42 PM


Yeah, I hear that even broadwayjoe is joining in. He got himself one of those "LOS SUNS" shirts, changed it to say "LOST SOULS" and is having a hunger strike in Madison Square Gardens.

Can you report in, broadwayjoe? Do you miss those juicy steaks from the cattle grown in Arizona? Take care.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 11, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

@bumbling,

Who is Nappy?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the librarian made zouk yield the computer to someone else.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I think you're wrong, margaret, I think he's referring to Obama's hair, just like Don Imus.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

It's not their relative charisma, 12Bar, it's that McCain ran for president not long ago and managed to distinguish himself as not only completely unsuited for the job in many different ways .. the impulsive suspension that wasn't, the Palin pick, the "more wars my friends" .. but also showed himself to be quite a jerk.

Hayworth OTOH is just a name in the political gossip, I don't even know what he looks like. And for me, and probably for many of us, the teabaggers are one-dimensional, uninteresting save for the threat they pose. We know exactly how they think on any issue, and there isn't much anyone can say about them so what little we get is silly quibbles with the trolls about whether or not they're all racists or just some of them are racists. What else can anyone say?

That leaves the glee of watching the conservative schism rip the GOP apart.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

srw3, when the odious bumbling refers to "nappy" she is insulting Napolitano.

She uses other phrases to insult the pResident.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 11, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Seems like we've said everything, to everyone, about every subject.

Can't help but notice that almost no one talked about Hayworth. Almost everyone who stayed on topic talked about McCain, good or bad. Maybe that's why McCain is 12 points ahead in the polls, because he's the only one who is interesting.

Just an idea.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

He ought to be in a lot of trouble for handing the nation that dim-wit who thinks America's laws should be based on the Ten Commandments because "That is how the founding fathers wanted it".

In fact, the exact opposite is true.

By her logic her daughter would be stoned for having a child out of wedlock.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 11, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Loved the article. Cosign TexasProud on the comments section. With regards to failed presidential candidates, there's one prominent exception:

Ronald

Wilson

Reagan.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 11, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

@ bumblingberry: When I see Nappy in a photo

How can you see to type with that pointy hood on?

Posted by: srw3 | May 11, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

someone said: "I don't care about how much someone hates 'teabaggers and McCain' or for people constantly posting about Obama's birth certificate. It doesn't add anything to the discussion except for the desire to see your post in the comment section."

herding cats

Posted by: Ichristian | May 11, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain's military service two generations ago is laudable and deserves all our respect irrespective of anything else.

But it doesn't entitle him to be a Senator for life, otherwise the same is true for everyone else who ever went into combat.

And I would say that his handlers milked his POW experience dry in 2008, if not long before.

Seeing someone as rabidly conservative as McCain savaged by Republicans as "too liberal" is just bizarre. He's already conservative enough to be a nut.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

someone said: "Sad to see another comment section being held hostage by people with an axe to grind instead of a rational discussion about the actual article. This article is not about Sarah Palin, or drindl & noacoler's pet peeves, but yet again we are stuck with them. Isn't there an open post on the Daily Kos you can post your rants and have the choir give you a secular amen?"

sure, just as soon as you turn off zouk in his many incarnations, once and for all. muzzle the mf. people on this site get led into these "sidebars" because of guys like him and 37&O, in case you haven't noticed. and it's only when we point it out, or demand they be banned, that the thread stays more civil.

Posted by: Ichristian | May 11, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine with that. It's irritating seeing the needless talking points from the extremes of both sides. I don't care about how much someone hates 'teabaggers and McCain' or for people constantly posting about Obama's birth certificate. It doesn't add anything to the discussion except for the desire to see your post in the comment section.

Posted by: TexasProud1 | May 11, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

@ bumblingberry : When I see Nappy in a photo next to Kagan, I have a lot of trouble telling them apart. Is it a Lib woman thing? they must look a lot like a Liberal man?
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your pain is my pleasure... like a repuglican S&M funraiser.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

someone said: "Sad to see another comment section being held hostage by people with an axe to grind instead of a rational discussion about the actual article. This article is not about Sarah Palin, or drindl & noacoler's pet peeves, but yet again we are stuck with them. Isn't there an open post on the Daily Kos you can post your rants and have the choir give you a secular amen?"

sure, just as soon as you turn off zouk in his many incarnations, once and for all. muzzle the mf. people on this site get led into these "sidebars" because of guys like him and 37&O, in case you haven't noticed. and it's only when we point it out, or demand they be banned, that the thread stays more civil.

Posted by: Ichristian | May 11, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

@ bumblingberry : When I see Nappy in a photo next to Kagan, I have a lot of trouble telling them apart. Is it a Lib woman thing? they must look a lot like a Liberal man?

Criticizing politicians effectiveness by their looks is like criticizing car performance by looking at the paint job.

And Nappy? Nothing like a little racism to add to your credibility as an commenter.

Posted by: srw3 | May 11, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Texas.

We said all there was to say about Mr. Magoo, then the thread drifted. That's normal. I suppose you'd be happier if the discussion simply stopped, or maybe we should just do like 37th and repost our own stuff over and over.

Considering what a lousy job you do holding up your beliefs, I don't blame you for wishing we'd all just go away.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

you forgot the all the other characteristics he shows when his "intellectual" mask slips: nasty, resentful, out of control, adolescent, and misogynist.

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Can you imagine what it's like living in his head? Just aflame with hate every minute of the day, probably hemmorhaging with it. The maturity of a third grader. The appeal of an Ascaris infestation.

Up at 6AM and right on this blog ...

.. to tell other people they need to "get a life."

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with 11 houses you'd think he'd get tired of telling people to get off his lawn.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Sad to see another comment section being held hostage by people with an axe to grind instead of a rational discussion about the actual article. This article is not about Sarah Palin, or drindl & noacoler's pet peeves, but yet again we are stuck with them. Isn't there an open post on the Daily Kos you can post your rants and have the choir give you a secular amen?

Posted by: TexasProud1 | May 11, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

you forgot the all the other characteristics he shows when his "intellectual" mask slips: nasty, resentful, out of control, adolescent, and misogynist.

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Can you imagine what it's like living in his head? Just aflame with hate every minute of the day, probably hemmorhaging with it. The maturity of a third grader. The appeal of an Ascaris infestation.

Up at 6AM and right on this blog ...

.. to tell other people they need to "get a life."

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"We, as residents of southeastern Arizona, are sick and tired of McCain and Kyl claiming they represent us. They are corporate shills and we know it. So the "anybody but McCain" phenom is for real." --Posted by: deadchief | May 11, 2010 6:04 PM

yes, but how many of those "we's" are there? are you organized? are you getting folks to the polls? lots of people use that "we" stuff but really, whom do you speak for? can you have real electoral impact?

Posted by: Ichristian | May 11, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

TO: doof who wrote:
“Palin was the best thing to come out of mccain's career . I thank mccain for her. Still would like to see jd send mccain home though.”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now there’s the answer to WHY exactly Republicans think their politicians are so stupid.
Because Republican voters pick dumb people like air head Sarah “The Bimbo” Palin to represent them. (“Palin was the “best” thing to come out of McCain’s career.” = Dumb)
Then Republicans take their good people, like McCain and even Lindsey Graham, and put them down.
Which also begs the real question: It is REALLY the GOP, or could it possibly be the Republican voter thenselves, that are the truly “stupid” ones.
McCain was actually one of the “best” things to happen to Arizona.


Posted by: lindalovejones | May 11, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

John McCain deserves to be reelected for as long as he wants to serve this country in the Senate-because he set an example of how to stand fast for duty and country in Vietnam, because he showed the understanding that government should not be for sale to the highest bidder, and worked together on McCain Feingold to try to insulate politics from undue influence, and because he has on these and other positions, put principles and his country first.

J.D. Hayworth would today be celebrating Cinco De Mayo and digging holes under the border fences if the Hispanic community could come up with as much money as the tribes and casinos have contributed to his PAC.

Posted by: mesondk | May 11, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

We, as residents of southeastern Arizona, are sick and tired of McCain and Kyl claiming they represent us. They are corporate shills and we know it. So the "anybody but McCain" phenom is for real.

Posted by: deadchief | May 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

More intelligent people are doing more active things, like summoning the information and news they want on the Internet, or, you know, being alive.
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In a recent commencement address the Comrade stated that people are getting "too much" information much of which he considers “untrue”. He also claimed (and lied) that he doesn’t know how to use or operate technological devices even though he clings to his BlackBerry like a baby to its bottle and mocked his presidential opponent for lack of the same sophistication. This all leads, of course, to the Comrades and D bagger free lunch party coming justification to control what information that we should be viewing on the “public utility” we are all using for this blog.

Posted by: leapin | May 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

someone said: "zouk, your obsession is so tedious. do you really think I, or anyone else, cares what a friendless, pathetic loser like you thinks?"

you forgot the all the other characteristics he shows when his "intellectual" mask slips: nasty, resentful, out of control, adolescent, and misogynist.

Posted by: Ichristian | May 11, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

We should have known, 12Bar, if halliburton was involved, taxpayers would end up paying a huge price for their incompetence.

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 5:46 PM
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I wouldn't be too quick to go down that road. What I'm hearing: even though Halliburton is responsible for the cementing, BP "influenced" them to do it another way. Apparently, standards for cementing are "in flux", which leaves it open for using different techniques. The buzz on the technical blog is that the technique used was the cause of the explosion.

Of course, I'm just reporting here. I don't have any way of knowing what is true.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse


How did that boycott of glenn Beck work out. I think he had the highest ratings on cable last week.

silly liberals. how about another summit and teleprompter reading to solve all your problems. then a kumbaya committee and panel can be formed and then........nothing as usual.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse
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I organized a boycott in my small town of Wasilla at the MTA (Matanuska Telephone Association) after I was forced to watch 10 minutes of Bo Bo at the blackboard on a Big Screen in the Lobby while waiting to talk to a phone rep and now they play cooking shows.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

zouk, your obsession is so tedious. do you really think I, or anyone else, cares what a friendless, pathetic loser like you thinks?

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

think we can count all the ideas running around in Ped's head on ten fingers. Let's try:
7.eating, drinking, smoking ,TV, and many others need to be banned

first one to nine wins a prize. It's Ped BINGO. I claim 7.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

We should have known, 12Bar, if halliburton was involved, taxpayers would end up paying a huge price for their incompetence.

Posted by: drindl


Is that the same Haliburton that Obumbler just awarded an enormous no-bid contract to, despite promising to never do that during his campaign?

drivl is incapable of independent thought. If it is not posted on some lefty blog, the idea never enters her "brain".

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Uh, yeah, because it's mostly teabaggers who can remain occupied sitting passively in front of a TV.

More intelligent people are doing more active things, like summoning the information and news they want on the Internet, or, you know, being alive.

You boast about the weirdest things, zouk. TV ratings?!? Who cares? TV is for kids.

And conservatives.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

But McCain's supposed to be this iconic American war hero with all this integrity so he would never ever panic or do anything cravenly stupid like select Palin as his running mate. This "maverick" would never stoop to the gutter level of the right wing, now could he?

Posted by: vztownes | May 11, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Why does a Dog lick its genitalia in public? -- Because it can.

Posted by: Geopolitics101
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No, it's to pass the supreme court sexual orientation test.

Posted by: leapin | May 11, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

How did that boycott of glenn Beck work out. I think he had the highest ratings on cable last week.

silly liberals. how about another summit and teleprompter reading to solve all your problems. then a kumbaya committee and panel can be formed and then........nothing as usual.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Given the staggering difference between the McCain of 2000 and of 2008 I would say the bitter old coot checked out long ago. There's nothing left of him.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

That’s the trouble with primaries. The most motivated or cohesive can run the show, no matter how weird, which is why real pros never take them lightly. Primaries are notorious too for turnouts in the 10 to 20% range. With a big name, it tends to trend upwards into the mid to high 20s. so the group that gets its (few) members to the polls exercises what looks like considerable clout. And it’s why a guy like Bennett with what one would suppose as excellent conservative bonae fides gets rudely handed his hat. A political guy I knew once compared it to a football game between a great team and a lousy team, but in a driving snowstorm.

Anything can happen.

(“Awkward instance. True sailing is dead.” thank you for that, Jim.)

Posted by: Ichristian | May 11, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

when I think about McRunt and the Teabaggers with PTBPS (Post
Traumatic Black President Syndrome) I'm reminded of that old
joke... Why does a Dog lick its genitalia in public? -- Because it can.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

We should have known, 12Bar, if halliburton was involved, taxpayers would end up paying a huge price for their incompetence.

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

We can do drivl's tiny pea brain on one hand:

1. Kos
2. huff
3. TP
4. Fix
5. Liberals good. Ugh. LOL.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

We here in Seattle are boycotting Arizona - and the worldwide boycott is growing day by day.

McCain, like the rest of the fossils in the Whig Party (GOP) will be gone sooner than he thinks.

Good riddance to that Panamanian who wouldn't provide the long form of his birth certificate!

Posted by: WillSeattle | May 11, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused when is a 12 point lead considered close? McCain will win and then he will go back to his pro-amnesty ways.

Posted by: cleancut77 | May 11, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I think we can count all the ideas running around in Ped's head on ten fingers. Let's try:

1. Palin is stupid
2. Israel is racist
3. God is worthy of scorn
4. Vietnam good, US bad
5. Economics is voodoo
6. animals are better and smarter than humans
7.eating, drinking, smoking ,TV, and many others need to be banned
8. One can show how smart thay are by correcting typos on blogs and insulting the host and everyone who visits
9. demonstrating the good life involves staying up late to trade insults with other posters you supposedly despise and ignore

did I miss any?

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Oil gusher hearings.

The cement question came up. Both BP and Halliburton (who was the cementer) didn't really know, hadn't studied the data, were unclear as what the standards are. It seems strange to me that the parties wouldn't have studied the hell out of the cementing logs by this time.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I accidently bought an Arizona ice tea yesterday.... so my boycott has broken temporarily--by accident.

Posted by: Geopolitics101
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Don't worry. You can make it up by protesting laws against rape and grand larceny.
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can't we just transfer them to another diocese?

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Someone said (off-thread): “Congressional Budget Office estimates released Tuesday predict the health care overhaul will likely cost about $115 billion more in discretionary spending over ten years than the original cost projections.”

That’s okay. We “libs” are quick learners. We’ll just call it “supplemental spending” like the trillions spent by Bush and his Repub sheep followers for the Iraq war, and keep it off the books.

That should make it okay, right? Using Republican accounting and accountability?

Posted by: Ichristian | May 11, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence (unlike someone else we know) and getting a good paying private sector job

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You suffer from one of the worst cases of monomania I have ever seen. I mean it.

Posted by: Noacoler
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Outside of your Vietnamization.

Posted by: leapin | May 11, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Someone said (off-thread): “Congressional Budget Office estimates released Tuesday predict the health care overhaul will likely cost about $115 billion more in discretionary spending over ten years than the original cost projections.”

That’s okay. We “libs” are quick learners. We’ll just call it “supplemental spending” like the trillions spent by Bush and his Repub sheep followers, and keep it off the books.

That should make it okay, right? Using Republican accounting and accountability?

Posted by: Ichristian | May 11, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I accidently bought an Arizona ice tea yesterday.... so my boycott has broken temporarily--by accident.

Posted by: Geopolitics101
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Don't worry. You can make it up by protesting laws against rape and grand larceny.

Posted by: leapin | May 11, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence (unlike someone else we know) and getting a good paying private sector job

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You suffer from one of the worst cases of monomania I have ever seen. I mean it.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Mark Shields on the PBS Newshour commented some weeks ago that if an elected runs for national office (like president) and wins, they are hugely popular back home where everyone is bursting with pride, but if they lose, people at home are usually mad at them (not sympathetic!) for taking so much time on the campaign away from their regular elected job and in general for being a loser. See for example soon to be former Senator Chris Dodd. It's hard to believe the rule is all that strong every time, but the "love you if you win, mad at you if you lose" syndrome may be tripping up McCain as well as the other factors here.

Posted by: fairfaxvoter | May 11, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain's ego over the US Constitution rule of born on the turf, being set aside for him to be President pISZED off his home State.
His next bonehead move after that, was to tell a little old lady wanting to see Obama's hidden history to trust Obama.

Only thing that could harm hniom greater was himself suggesting we jail US Citizens without a trial indefinitely.

Good Grief. Is it the water in DC?
They are all pretty nutty.

Mc Cain has been asked by Arizona to close the border there for 20 years,now he says he is their last hope.

Cough cough...what an ego!!!!!


Posted by: dottydo | May 11, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence ... and getting a good paying private sector job."
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With 9 or 11 "Estates", McRunt does not need to work for Fox Entertainment.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence (unlike someone else we know) and getting a good paying private sector job.

Posted by: leapin
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone, but

leapin-tay had a eudian-Fr-tay ip-sl-tay.

Posted by: 12BarBlues
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"All we are saying...is give drindl a chance..."

Posted by: leapin | May 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse


I accidently bought an Arizona ice tea yesterday.... so my boycott has broken temporarily--by accident.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 5:25 PM
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Don't worry about it. The Arizona tea company came out and said they have nothing to do with Arizona, the state. So you're still pure.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Illicit drugs are especially pernicious because the people most drawn to them are precisely those whose personalities are the most vulnerable to derangement. The same holds true for the global warming hoax:

A couple of years ago, the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry reported the case of a 17-year-old Melbourne lad diagnosed with "climate change delusion".
This poor kid had developed the belief that "due to climate change, his own water consumption could lead within days to the deaths of 'millions of people' through exhaustion of water supplies."

The boy's a big drinker. Now a gathering of shrinks in Auckland has turned up another side-effect of warmist worry: sufferers of obsessive compulsive disorder are increasingly falling victim to Al Gore's Disease. According to a report from The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists' Congress: "Climate change related obsessions and/or compulsions were identified in 28 per cent of patients presenting with obsessive compulsive disorder.
"Their obsessions included leaving taps on and wasting water, leaving lights on and wasting electricity, pets dying of thirst, leaving the stove on and wasting gas as well as obsessions that global warming had contributed to house floors cracking, pipes leaking, roof problems and white ants eating the house. Compulsions in response to these obsessions included the checking of taps, light switches, pet water bowls and house structures, ...posting all day every day to The Fix, especially cut and pastes from Kos and Huff and deranged anger learned in leftist quadrants"
Once the rest of the public catches on that the entire crisis is a deliberate fraud, look for the warm-mongers to continue soaking up tax money by casting global warming as a mental health issue.

I am pretty sure that the regulars here who host the mutual leftist loon admiration society are a mental health issue.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

O'REILLY: Do you believe that you are smart enough, incisive enough, intellectual enough to handle the most powerful job in the world?

PALIN: I believe that I am because I have common sense. And I have, I believe, the values that are reflective of so many other American values. And I believe that what Americans are seeking is not the elitism, the kind of a spinelessness that perhaps is made up for that with some kind of elite Ivy League education and a fact resume that's based on anything but hard work and private sector, free enterprise principles. Americans could be seeking something like that in positive change in their leadership. I'm not saying that has to be me.

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And you guys *admire* this twit

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I accidently bought an Arizona ice tea yesterday.... so my boycott has broken temporarily--by accident.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse


She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence (unlike someone else we know) and getting a good paying private sector job.

Posted by: leapin
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone, but

leapin-tay had a eudian-Fr-tay ip-sl-tay.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence ... and getting a good paying private sector job."


She sets a fine example for Republicans everywhere. Start the letter-writing campaign RIGHT NOW.

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Touche. But there are only so many of those jobs at Fox. There's not thousands like the census and the IRS.

Posted by: leapin | May 11, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

the Fix writes
"those voters do not comprise a majority in the primary -- meaning that Hayworth must find a way reach more moderate Republicans and even independents (who can vote in the GOP primary) to seriously threaten McCain. To date, Hayworth has shown little inclination to make that outreach."

But how much enthusiasm do moderates have for McCain? Will they bother to show up on primary day & save his job? I imagine Hayworth's support is more motivated.

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 11, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I ♥ repuglican canabilism....

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | May 11, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence ... and getting a good paying private sector job."


She sets a fine example for Republicans everywhere. Start the letter-writing campaign RIGHT NOW.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | May 11, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence (unlike someone else we know) and getting a good paying private sector job.

Posted by: leapin | May 11, 2010 5:09 PM
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She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence

(like Governor of Alaska)

and getting a good paying private sector job

(like Fox).

Amen, leapin, amen.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Congressional Budget Office estimates released Tuesday predict the health care overhaul will likely cost about $115 billion more in discretionary spending over ten years than the original cost projections.

Only a brain dead liberal (but I repeat myself) would be surprised by this "news".

Remember way back when the goal was to reduce costs? Just liberals being liberals. spend, spend, spend.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain is 12 points ahead - if this were any other race in American, everyone would say McCain is going to win.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 11, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

thebobbob writes
"Even if [McCain] wins the primaries, he loses. He lost to Obama in 2008, he lost to Palin after the election and he'll lose the few remaining Republican moderates in 2010."


Ok, but who's going to beat him? I think he's vulnerable, but you can't beat something with nothing.

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 11, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

NEWS BULLETIN: Beau Biden, Delaware attorney general and son of Vice President Joe Biden, suffers mild stroke.

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TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. (staff, please save and forward):

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I have posted in this space links to my various recent articles, in which I have warned that some of the nation's political leaders may be unwitting targets of an awesome, silent, invisible and little known microwave/laser radio frequency weapon that has been installed in every neighborhood in America -- a weapon system that apparently is being used for nefarious purposes.

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Posted by: scrivener50 | May 11, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

stick a fork in McCain. He's done. Time to ship him off to the farm.

Posted by: Gates9 | May 11, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"palin was the best thing to come out of mccain's career . "

LOL. palin is doing nothing but fleecing the sheep and conning the suckers. she quit politics as soon as she realized she could make more as another empty-headed demagogue on FOX. She won't be back in politics -- why bother -- it's work.

i feel sorry for anyone who thinks she's aything but a carny barker, who'll say anything for a buck.

Posted by: drindl
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She should be given credit for removing herself from government dependence (unlike someone else we know) and getting a good paying private sector job.

Posted by: leapin | May 11, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

When I see Nappy in a photo
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Who is Nappy?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

doof wrote: mccain would run as an independent just like crist.
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Why would McCain run as an independent when he is ahead of Hayworth by double digits in the polls?. Crist dropped out because Rubio was outpolling him.

You know, I hesitate to respond to you because you don't seem armed with facts. I'm not responsive to emotional arguments. If you love Hayworth, fine. If you hate McCain, fine. I neither love nor hate either of them.

If you have some evidence that shows Hayworth cleaning McCain's clock, I'd be interested in studying it. I'm always open to more evidence.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain is right but that's not the point. To win the primary he must cater (pander) to the furthest Right, and in AZ that's really,really Right). That means blaming all ills on foreigners (hyper xenophobic), high taxes (the lowest in decades) and communists (freedom haters).

Even if he wins the primaries, he loses. He lost to Obama in 2008, he lost to Palin after the election and he'll lose the few remaining Republican moderates in 2010.

America won't tolerate a loser.

Posted by: thebobbob | May 11, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

When I see Nappy in a photo next to Kagan, I have a lot of trouble telling them apart. Is it a Lib woman thing? they must look a lot like a Liberal man? but most liberal men look like little teenage girls. What is it with the role reversal thing? drivl is more manly than Ped, etc.

Except Dingy Harry Reid. He looks most like Granny Clampett. go ahead take a look.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

good news:

'At just about every stage of the Senate financial reform process, the changes to the bill have trended towards the left--and that may well be borne out again if Democrats successfully add provision to the bill that will, among other things, ban big banks from using their own capital to engage in market speculation.

The provision is called the Volcker Rule--named after former Fed Chair Paul Volcker who now heads the President Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board. Currently, two Democratic senators--Carl Levin (D-MI) and Jeff Merkley (D-OR)--are pushing to add the rule to the Wall Street reform legislation and have built up quite a head of steam. That development was not a sure thing even a few days ago but with the political climate so anti-Wall Street even progressives' failures can turn into successes, which is what sort of happened with the Volcker Rule.

Last week, Sens. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) and Ted Kauffman (D-DE) pushed hard to get their very progressive 'too big to fail' amendment passed. Even though it failed it helped pave the way to enshrining the Volcker rule in the bill.

"I think we will have had a positive effect on the bill," says a Democratic aide, adding that Brown and Kaufman's efforts to shrink 'too big to fail' institutions built momentum for the Volker proposal.'

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Even if Hayworth won the R. primary, the polls don't even show Hayworth as winning over the Democrat with a clear margin.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 4:42 PM


mccain would run as an independent just like crist. if jd wins the primary and mccain doesn't run as independent then napolitano steps in and runs as the democrat. she's a problem for obama and this would solve it.

Posted by: doof | May 11, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"palin was the best thing to come out of mccain's career . "

LOL. palin is doing nothing but fleecing the sheep and conning the suckers. she quit politics as soon as she realized she could make more as another empty-headed demagogue on FOX. She won't be back in politics -- why bother -- it's work.

i feel sorry for anyone who thinks she's aything but a carny barker, who'll say anything for a buck.

Posted by: drindl | May 11, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

We need Repubs that Libs love. Several of them are going away. We miss Specter and Graham and Snowe and Ahnold.

If they didn't vote for Mcconnell, we could hardly tell they're repubs. although they have exhibited a good deal of spine this year against the communist manifesto.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 11, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The list of politicians who have failed as candidates for President and who then go on to have successful careers in electoral politics is a short list.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone besides John Kerry (and Hubert Humphrey, but that was a sort of fluky thing), in the modern era, who came in second for POTUS (not foe Vice President) and went on to win a less powerful office.

But there must be others.

Point is, lovable losers is just a figure of speech.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 11, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Serves the lousy b*stard right. Hayworth couldn't be any worse, and for his behavior in the campaign, his infantile antics during the debates and most of all for unleashing Palin on America, McCain deserves the special humiliation of being put out to pasture. Let him rot.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 4:11 PM
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I know you aren't McCain's biggest fan, but I don't see how this is even close. McCain is double digits ahead now. In the public polls, it doesn't look like Hayworth has any momentum, although maybe it's too early after the AZ undoc law to assess that.

Even if Hayworth won the R. primary, the polls don't even show Hayworth as winning over the Democrat with a clear margin.

Someone needs to educate me how Hayworth has a chance. There must be something I'm missing.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 11, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

his infantile antics during the debates and most of all for unleashing Palin on America,

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 4:11 PM


palin was the best thing to come out of mccain's career . i thank mccain for her. still would like to see jd send mccain home though.

Posted by: doof | May 11, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Serves the lousy b*stard right. Hayworth couldn't be any worse, and for his behavior in the campaign, his infantile antics during the debates and most of all for unleashing Palin on America, McCain deserves the special humiliation of being put out to pasture. Let him rot.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 11, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

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