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Kennedy, 59 Seats and the Next Five Months

By Chris Cillizza and Paul Kane
One of the stark political realities of Ted Kennedy's death is that Senate Democrats' long coveted 60-seat, filibuster-proof majority is on hold for the foreseeable future as Massachusetts voters prepare for a special election to replace the legendary Democratic senator.

In truth, Kennedy's infirmity -- he hadn't voted since April -- and the long-term absence of Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) due to illness, in addition to the renegade nature of some of the more moderate elements within the party, have long made the idea of a filibuster-proof majority more theory than reality.

But Kennedy's death cements Democrats' inability to push through legislation by sheer force of numbers alone unless, as Kennedy himself suggested, Massachusetts legislators change state law to allow Gov. Deval Patrick to appoint a temporary successor for the five-month period before a special election can be held.

One source familiar with negotiations in the state legislature suggests that some momentum appears to be building behind changing the law to allow Patrick to appoint a seat warmer.

If true, that would represent a major shift from last week when the idea of changing the state law at Kennedy's request seemed to be headed nowhere.

Watch to see if Democratic leaders in Washington -- led by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) -- agitate for the law change, knowing that without it they will have to recruit at least one Republican in order to pass any bill.

It remains to be seen how much influence Reid or even the White House could have over the Massachusetts state legislature given that that chamber's popularity numbers have dipped in recent months and that state legislative bodies tend to be far more parochial -- taking a "how does this affect me" attitude -- in their approach toward governing decisions.

It's also not clear whether Patrick, badly damaged politically and facing a serious reelection race next fall, will put himself on the line to push for the law change. He voiced support for such a law change during an interview with WBUR radio on Wednesday morning, calling it "entirely reasonable" and saying he would sign a bill if one reached his desk. Still, voicing support and going out to rally support are two far different things.

Assuming state law, which mandates a special election be held between 145 and 160 days after the seat is officially declared vacant, remains untouched, the impact on Capitol Hill will be that any legislation that moves through the chamber will have to possess at least the patina of bipartisanship, perhaps following the model used in passage of the economic stimulus bill where three Republicans -- Arlen Specter (Pa.), Olympia Snowe (Maine) and Susan Collins (Maine) -- joined with a united Democratic party to bring the bill to the floor.

At the committee level, it's unclear who will succeed Kennedy as chairman at the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) committee as his responsibilities have been divided among several senior members of the committee since the senator's brain cancer diagnosis in May 2008.

Next in line in committee seniority is Kennedy's closest friend in the Senate, Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), who shepherded the health-care legislation through the HELP committee in June and July.

Dodd, however, already chairs the banking committee, a gavel he would have to give up in order to take up the legislative legacy of Kennedy. Dodd's banking committee has placed him in the spotlight of the most intense legislative battles of the last year, including housing legislation in the summer of 2008, the $700 billion bailout of the financial industry and an ongoing effort to rewrite the regulatory makeup of federal agencies overseeing banks and financial services industry.

Dodd told reporters Wednesday that he would ponder his options over the coming days. "I haven't given that a second's worth of thought," he said of assuming Kennedy's chairmanship. "I really don't have an answer to that really."

If Dodd were to pass on taking the HELP chairmanship, it would likely fall to Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.). She has already been overseeing the education portfolio of that panel in Kennedy's stead, and she led the passage of major reforms to Pell grants last year.

If Dodd does take Kennedy's chairmanship, that sets up a key decision for Democrats about who succeeds him at the banking committee. Behind Dodd in seniority is Sen. Tim Johnson (D-S.D.), who returned to the chamber after suffering a brain aneurysm in December 2006. Next in line after Johnson is Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.).

Back in Massachusetts, the special election field remains unsettled as lawmakers and other aspiring politicians are loathe to comment on their own interest in the seat so soon after Kennedy's passing.

That said, Kennedy's long illness has allowed a number of would-be candidates to begin positioning themselves for the race. Couple that with the fact that sitting politicians would not need to give up their seats to run and the Democratic field is likely to be large.

At the top of that field is state Attorney General Martha Coakley who has previously conducted polling to test her viability as a Senate candidate. Coakley could have two advantages in a short special election: she might well be the lone woman in the field and she has run and won statewide before, giving her a broader political network and higher name identification that several of the other candidates.

Two sitting members of Congress -- Reps. Stephen Lynch and Michael Capuano -- are also expected to run. Lynch will rely heavily on his strong support among labor unions and his geographic base in blue-collar South Boston while Capuano will run as the Cambridge candidate, a strong base of intellectual and financial support in a Democratic primary.

Former Rep. Marty Meehan, who now serves as the chancellor at UMass-Lowell, also has to be considered a serious candidate as he was gearing up for a run in the event Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) was elected president in 2004. Meehan is sitting on nearly $5 million in his House account, which could be transferred directly into a Senate account, and almost certainly would run as the outsider candidate -- using his strong voice for campaign finance reform in Congress as a springboard.

The possibility of either Rep. Barney Frank or Ed Markey running is tough to calculate as both men have coveted chairmanship slots in the House.

Frank, as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, is at the center of nearly every domestic policy debate in the country at the moment and may not be interested in taking a five month hiatus to run for higher office.

Markey, who seemed set to run for the Kerry opening in 2004, has since been named by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) as the chair of the Select Committee for Energy Independence and Global Warming and, as a result, might well be less likely to join the fray.

The true x-factor in any special election calculation is whether anyone with the last name "Kennedy" decides to run. Ted Kennedy's widow, Vicki, seems entirely uninterested in following her husband into office although if she changed her mind it would likely be a coronation for her.

Joe Kennedy II, who left Congress in 1998 after a decade in the chamber, is more of a possibility although his controversial divorce and dealings with Venezuelan over oil likely ensure he would not have the field to himself.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 26, 2009; 1:16 PM ET
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Why does Gov. Jindal use state helicopters to fly himself to church?
I thought he was a fiscal conservative.

Posted by: JRM2 | September 1, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

MrTruth:

I am an enemy of Senator Kennedy and your President mainly because of abortion -- and, I am registered with the American Independent Party, not Republican -- please get your facts straight. As for your opinions, do you believe that Jimmy Carter was a "competent Democratic leader"?

marlenestobbart and/or rrcrosby:

Are you being sarcastic?

Posted by: JakeD | September 1, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The US Constitution and American People have lost their fiercest advocate and truest friend. The US Senate and the American People must now hold his torch high or be forever darkened and diminished by his absence.


To those who spew vile comments at this media site, thanks for once again demonstrating why the republican party, its' leadership, constituency, and agenda have been proven vastly unworthy of the American People, Our Flag, and our National Destiny.

Moreover, the republican party, its' leadership and agenda have long been proven to be miserable failures and a hideous blight upon our Nation.

So vast and onerous is the republican failure, that it will surely take the remaining years of the next decade before the latest republican disaster of government is repaired, as always, by competent Democratic leaders and competent Democratic governance committed to the good of the American People.

To those who continue to spew lies and misinformation at this site and elsewhere in the news media, you should know that most of the smart people have never been fooled by you or your lies. You have long been recognized as the enemy of truth and therefore the enemy of Our US Constitution and the American People.

As the tangible consequences of recent republican governance continue to wreak havoc upon our national economy, even the most trusting citizens can clearly see the continuing damage resulting from criminally incompetent republican rule. This is the truth that can no longer be hidden or ignored by the mainstream media.

The republican coalition of the rich and the stupid has finally become untenable. If the truth prevails, the future, once again, will belong to the American People not global corporations and their vile republican propagandist lackeys.

The enemies of Senator Kennedy and our President are truly the enemies of our Nations economic future and Mankind itself.

They will never prevail.

Posted by: MrTruth | September 1, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

This is historically the Kennedy seat and should remain so with having Joseph Kennedy 11 to become the next Senator of Massachusetts. Failing that they should appoint Caroline Kennedy to be the Massachuesetts Senator. The United States of America has royalty with the Kennedy clan and the Senate position is one which holds much respect. That, imho, should continue.

Posted by: marlenestobbart | August 31, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Everyone back-off, that's a Kennedy seat and Joe Kennedy II is the man!

Posted by: rrcrosby | August 31, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The state law CC mentioned, which mandates a special election be held between 145 and 160 days after the seat is officially declared vacant, was put in place at the behest of Senator Edward Kennedy a few short years ago!

In a move to prevent then Governor Mitt Romney from picking a Senate replacement for John Kerry's seat, if he had won the presidency, Senator Kennedy championed the change of law regarding a special election instead of a gubernatorial selection.

How ironic (and sad) that in the final days of his life, Senator Kennedy had not the strength to attend Eunice Shriver's funeral, nor the energy to attend the ceremony for his own Presidential Medal of Freedom, but somehow mustered the energy to implore Gov Patrick to pressure the legislature into changing the law he had changed only five years previous to snub the Republican Governor.

Such shameless political manuevering is part and parcel of the Kennedy legacy and the "new politics" we see from President Obama, aka "the 4th kennedy brother". gak.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | August 31, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Kennedy manipulated the criminal justice system when he left Mary Jo Kopechne to drown at Chappiquidick and now he wants to change the law and manipulate the electoral process to name his successor

Posted by: masssgt

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Praise Jesus, Laura Bush didn't . . . what . . . tell me again, how the person she killed is less dead than Mary Jo . . . and tell me again, WHY was Mary Jo in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong guy?

Praise Jesus, at least Republicans know Mary Jo was a saint!

Posted by: matthewjblack | August 31, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The difference between 59 and 60 is pretty small, and critical only on a purely partisan vote. At 59 the Democrats only need one Republican to make 60. At 60, only one Democrat (or independent) needs to defect and they are at 59. It is a purely psychological hurdle.

Posted by: qlangley | August 31, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Kennedy manipulated the criminal justice system when he left Mary Jo Kopechne to drown at Chappiquidick and now he wants to change the law and manipulate the electoral process to name his successor

Posted by: masssgt | August 29, 2009 4:55 AM | Report abuse

Kennedy manipulated the criminal justice system when he left Mary Jo Kopechne to drown at Chappiquidick and now he wants to change the law and manipulate the electoral process to name his successor

Posted by: masssgt | August 29, 2009 4:55 AM | Report abuse

My 2 cents: Governor Deval Patrick won't have much to do with the Massachusetts special election decision. The members of the Massachusetts legislature will decide the question of a special election on the basis of whom they support for the seat and the usual quid pro quo complexities that decide Massachusetts politics. It is likely to be the case that federal funds for pet projects will play a role, too (and that is where Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, the national Democratic leadership and the White House will wield influence). 'Twill be a fascinating process to watch and classic Beacon Hill politics at its best.

As to my picks for the seat vacated by the late, great Senator Kennedy: Ed Markey and Barney Frank are head and shoulders above the other candidates. I view Frank's position as Chair of the House Financial Services Committee as more indispensable than Markey's position on the Special Committee on Climate Change, so would prefer to see Markey get the nod for Senate.

Ed Markey is the dean of the Massachusetts congressional delegation, has (like Frank) done a fine job on the House side, and is an extremely worthy successor to Senator Kennedy. If, for some reason, Congressman Markey doesn't seek the seat, I favor Congressman Frank. Both Congressman Markey and Congressman Frank were widely believed to be in contention for John Kerry's Senate seat in the event of a Kerry presidential win in 2004, so there is good reason to believe that either would be interested in advancing to the Senate.

Posted by: ANetliner | August 28, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

O' Danny Boy:

Weather forecasters warned today that Tropical Storm Danny may drench Massachusetts with several inches of rain Saturday, the day of Senator Edward M. Kennedy's funeral in Boston as well as a big move-in day for students in the academic mecca. In addition, the city's Caribbean Festival is also scheduled to start in a nearby neighborhood a few hours after the funeral begins, and a Red Sox game is expected to lure fans to Fenway Park Saturday night. To deal with all the activity, police plan put 1,000 to 2,000 officers on the streets, the Globe reported this morning.

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

In other news:

Mother Sheehan is now protesting against pResident Obama's wars (LOL!!!)

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Letting GM go BK (and finally get rid of the UAW) would have though.

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't think offshoring millions of jobs and breaking up good companies would do a lot to help the economy.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 28, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't have been surprised if McCain had tapped Romney as SecTreasury, and a much more reasoned response to the economic problems / deficit been proposed.

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

dance with Devil huh... P.U.M.A., P.U.M.A., I'd rather stick hot pins in my eyes. That pantsuit waste collective almost gave us a corrupt senator from Wall Street.... while Wall Street had collapsed from corruption. We'd now be in Maverick mode... with Moose and Squirrel had we been forced to accept that soiled booty.

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Can you imagine McCain trying to deal with the economic calamity? Campaign crap about earmarks and the ... the bridge to nowhere .. and Palin gibbering about the virtue of the "pry-vit secter?"

It's be tax cuts for the wealthy, budget balancing by cutting safety nets, let the inefficient companies collapse, Hoover all over again. And pretty soon McCain would just check out and go golfing and let Palin start the wars.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 / GoldAndTanzanite:

Then you must have missed my "Hat Trick" comment about leitchman's three-posts-in-a-row. I'm still making fun of him on the new thread.

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I'll leave it up to my readers to determine whether our cardshark was being sarcastic, or is slower than molasses in January.

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I'll take "Molasses" for a thousand, Alex

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 28, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"An enemy can only summarize them as unambiguously bad by freezing their story at a particular moment of his own choosing, because each of the boys changed hard and fast under the force of events into something quite different from how they started."

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Hey, nodebris.

That was an exceptionally good post. The thought behind it, the manner of expression, everything. I wanted to personally express appreciation for your vernacular presentation of very sharp original thinking, that was particularly well-done.

I raise a glass in your direction.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 28, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

dog, I don't believe I'm saying this but I think BHO needs to enlist the Hillarians to push back against the hate broadcasters, Town Hall terrori-, er, "protesters," etc. In the words of the fictional bouncer "Dalton", be nice until it's time not to be nice...That time is now.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 28, 2009 12:09 PM
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dance with Devil huh... P.U.M.A., P.U.M.A., I'd rather stick hot pins in my eyes. That pantsuit waste collective almost gave us a corrupt senator from Wall Street.... while Wall Street had collapsed from corruption. We'd now be in Maverick mode... with Moose and Squirrel had we been forced to accept that soiled booty.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 28, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

drindl, I agree that Catholics like Kennedy are generally more humanist and truly Christian than the fundies. If it weren't for things like "papal infallibility" I'd think they were pretty OK. Oh, and that whole dance-around-divorce thing (annulment).

Older protestant denominations (Episcopal, Lutheran) do a better job representing Christ, imo.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 28, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

i never figured that out. Even when i was a kid, the fundies were totally focused on the Old Testament. Mentioned certain things Jesus said/did -- mostly the 'miracles', but most of the fire and brimstone preaching was about OT stuff.

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Specifically Timothy and Leviticus, the chapters with all the juicy bits.

Fundies don't like the NT with all that talk of turning cheeks and loving neighbors. They like the older parts about abominations and shunning and executions.

And even when they do talk Jesus, the fundies have no use for what Christ actually taught. REAL Christianity is an individual journey to salvation and -- wait for it -- enlightenment and a modern Muslim is much more like an authentic Christian than is a modern Christian. Christ would have overturned the altars in a modern church, pronouncing its claims to worldly moral authority as entithetical to everything he taught,

Fundies curl their lips in derision at the idea of individualized Christianity. For them it's collective, preferable at night and with torches and nooses.

If anyone would like to learn more about the doctrines of pre-Nicean Christian thought, read this short volume:

http://www.amazon.com/Doctrine-Practice-Early-Church-Stuart/dp/0281055092/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251478951&sr=8-1

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 28, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

JRM2:

Nicole Brown Simpson was a registered Democrat too, so?

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"As I've always said, I would trade taxpayer-funded abortions for all registered Democrats as long as every other abortion is banned.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:52 PM |"
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"Too bad I can't be there today protesting with an oversized picture of Mary Jo Kopechne.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:31 PM |"
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I think I can safely bet that Mary Jo Kopechne was a registered Democrat.

Posted by: JRM2 | August 28, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess Le-meow does give Franken some seniority in the Senate, but not among Democrats, so I'm not sure it matters in any committees. There will be some shuffling with the minority (R) seats on committees.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 28, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

http://www.cnn.com

Quick Vote

How will Ted Kennedy's death affect health care legislation?

More likely to pass (23%) 32,285 votes

Less likely to pass (21%) 28,813 votes

No difference (56%) 78,830 votes

Total Votes: 139,928

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

'drindl: As to fundamentalist "Christians," it seems to me that they spend far more time fretting over the Old Testament than the New Testament. Which makes them more "fundamentalist" than "Christian" if not Jewish. Ironic, or just weird?'

i never figured that out. Even when i was a kid, the fundies were totally focused on the Old Testament. Mentioned certain things Jesus said/did -- mostly the 'miracles', but most of the fire and brimstone preaching was about OT stuff.

The people who seem to focus most on the New Testamant are the humanist-type Catholics like the nuns who advocate for the poor in Central/South America.

Posted by: drindl | August 28, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Mikeinmidland, I guess this means Franken has some seniority now...

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 28, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"ddawd writes
"Fla. Governor Taps Ex-Aide to Replace U.S. Senator"

1) What's the over-under on whether Cillizza will stay quiet on that story? Surely he can throw us a bone & post a new topic for us on that subject.

2) Ddawd, are you absolutely certain the appointment was made by Gov Crist and not some journalist? I heard Moroney's going to do all appointments from now on.

.

Posted by: bsimon1"

Chris C is doing his chat today, so he might do a post. In either case, September is next Tuesday, so he'll be back them.

I think Brendan Farrington is the true puppet master in the LeMieux nomination.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 28, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

dog, I don't believe I'm saying this but I think BHO needs to enlist the Hillarians to push back against the hate broadcasters, Town Hall terrori-, er, "protesters," etc. In the words of the fictional bouncer "Dalton", be nice until it's time not to be nice...That time is now.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 28, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

angriestdog: You're overthinking this, and forgetting that CC is actually on vacation this week. I'm guessing he had Paul Kane do most of the legwork and writing on this piece. He certainly hasn't delved into the depths of Massachusetts politics.

As for the two independents--they caucus with the Dems, and therefore they count as Dems. If they couldn't be counted on to vote for cloture, at least, they couldn't caucus with Dems. Individually they are not as conservative as the Blue Dogs, so their votes are no more of interest than any other individual Senator.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 28, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

HuffPo's Sam Stein today reports race-based attacks on BHO are on the rise.

Excerpt:

"The protesters, the reader writes, were small in number. But their presence outside the event indicates that four weeks into August, the highly personal and often racially tinged vitriol directed at the president shows no sign of abating.

Earlier this week, Idaho Republican gubernatorial hopeful, Rex Rammell, said he'd buy a license to hunt Obama. Meanwhile, Rep. Lynn Jenkins, (R-Kans.) expressed her wish that the Republican Party would find a "great white hope" to take on the president in the next election.

Asked about Jenkins' comment on Thursday, White House Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton gave the freshman congresswoman a pass for the eyebrow-raising remark.

"I saw that report," said Burton. "I also saw that her spokesperson backpedaled and said that that was a poor choice of words. We obviously give Congresswoman Jenkins the benefit of the doubt.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/28/race-based-protests-direc_n_271129.html

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 28, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"I really don't understand until recently how backwards and redneck Arizona had become.

Posted by: drindl"

eh, I think you can find that stuff in a lot of places. Virginia went very blue. I'm sure you can find pockets of that kind of behavior.

In fact, I think Arizona would have been very competitive if it wasn't McCain's home state. It's just so similar to Colorado and New Mexico in terms of demographic shifts.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 28, 2009 11:23 AM
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I was surprised that in education... Arizona falls below Mississippi.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 28, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

You can tell a lot about whether a politician is proud or ashamed of his actions, by when the announcement is made.

A Friday in August, let alone amid Kennedy Appreciation Week, is a great time to bury your self-serving appointment of a caretaker Senator.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 28, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm still troubled by the fact Ciliiza did not include the two (2) independents in his thesis statement of the collapse of the 60 seat majority. Really... is this blog meant to selectively provide a directional objective for the Repuglican extremists?

And he seems quite pleased that no thing will happen with Kennedy's seat till this time next year although Governor Crisp in Florida has named his chief of staff to keep the Senate butt plug humming...

Also, I listened to an interview with Dick Army this morning talking about his astroturd minions and their success at disrupting townhall meetings. He claims they are mad because their voices aren't being heard. Total Nazi tactics and you could hear the grin in his voice. Bullies win... and the little guy gets eaten. Democracy does not work when you have fascist militias.


Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 28, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

drindl: As to fundamentalist "Christians," it seems to me that they spend far more time fretting over the Old Testament than the New Testament. Which makes them more "fundamentalist" than "Christian" if not Jewish. Ironic, or just weird?

Relating that to the topic, a reporter related touring with Ted Kennedy in the '60s. He asked Kennedy why he was so fixated on ending poverty. And Ted replied something like "Have you not READ the New Testament?!"

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 28, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

ddawd writes
"Fla. Governor Taps Ex-Aide to Replace U.S. Senator"

1) What's the over-under on whether Cillizza will stay quiet on that story? Surely he can throw us a bone & post a new topic for us on that subject.

2) Ddawd, are you absolutely certain the appointment was made by Gov Crist and not some journalist? I heard Moroney's going to do all appointments from now on.

.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 28, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I figure this is why we're all here in the first place...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/28/AR2009082801675.html

Fla. Governor Taps Ex-Aide to Replace U.S. Senator

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Gov. Charlie Crist chose trust and loyalty Friday over Washington experience or potential political gain in choosing former chief of staff George LeMieux to replace Republican U.S. Sen. Mel Martinez.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 28, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I was raised as a fundie. But the christian fundies have gotten much crazier than when I was a kid. Much more hateful and like the Talibian. The way they have twisted and warped the teachings of Jesus is just beyond sad.

Posted by: drindl | August 28, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"I really don't understand until recently how backwards and redneck Arizona had become.

Posted by: drindl"

eh, I think you can find that stuff in a lot of places. Virginia went very blue. I'm sure you can find pockets of that kind of behavior.

In fact, I think Arizona would have been very competitive if it wasn't McCain's home state. It's just so similar to Colorado and New Mexico in terms of demographic shifts.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 28, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I doubt that chrisfox8 considers himself a fundie -- still no comment about his position on Obama's assassination -- in fact, that's coming from a self-proclaimed "atheist bi-sexual".

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

There is a moral sickness eating this country and a lot of it is emanating from christian fundamentalist pulpits. Fundies are among the least rational, most hateful people in this country:

Chris Broughton, the man who brought an assault rifle and a handgun to the Obama event in Arizona last week, attended a fiery anti-Obama sermon the day before the event, in which Pastor Steven Anderson said he was going to "pray for Barack Obama to die and go to hell", Anderson confirmed to TPMmuckraker today.

Anderson also said Broughton had informed the pastor about his planned show of arms-bearing, but "he planned out the AR15 thing long before he heard that sermon," delivered Sunday August 16 at the fundamentalist Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, AZ.

This is the second example of the gun-toters at the Arizona Obama event tied to the violent fringes of American life.

"I don't obey Barack Obama. And I'd like Barack Obama to melt like a snail tonight," Anderson said in the sermon.

The sermon, which was titled "Why I Hate Barack Obama" and also contained virulent anti-gay themes

Pam Spaulding happened upon this character named Steven Anderson, who preaches from the pulpit at Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. I compiled some of the more, ah, interesting bits from the sermons I surveyed into the 20-minute audio above.

As you can hear, this is pure eliminationism with a Biblical veneer. First he demands that all gays and lesbians face the death penalty:

The same God who instituted the death penalty for murders is the same god who instituted the death penalty for rapists and for homosexuals, sodomites and queers!"

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/gospel-hate-arizona-pastor-steve-and"

I really don't understand until recently how backwards and redneck Arizona had become.

Posted by: drindl | August 28, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

But I thought that ANY criticism of Obama meant we were "racist swine"? He doesn't have to come out and say that, since plenty of his supporters are saying that.

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The fact that right-wing whites in the west are opposed to Obama is not surprising, and it is not entirely race-based. There is a component, no doubt.

But imagine if Hillary were elected. In the same scenario, a joke about "Hillary tags" might have gotten the same response, and that would have been more anti-liberal than misogynous.

The clearest case of a racist vote last November was West Virginia. That is a blue state, where Clinton got lots of votes in the primary despite Obama having the nomination locked up, and then the state went for McCain. Many southern states went Republican in 2008, but they always do. WV is a blue state with a relatively low black population--they's like them gummint checks.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 28, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Yes, just imagine the reaction if pResident Obama commented, without all the facts, about the arrest of an African-American professor at Harvard by a white police officer? Who knows, he might even step in it so deep that he needs to convene a beer "summit" at the White House : )

You libs are so transparent. No one on the right wants a martyr.

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I think it starts getting quite dangerous when the rhetoric gets this out of hand. We have already had several rightwing nuts murder innocent people because they were stirred up by hate jocks.

Posted by: drindl | August 28, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

d, Olbermann and Maxine Waters were all over this yesterday. Great stuff.

Excerpt:

"Rep Waters [to KO]: "Well, let me just say this, as you know, the President and the Whitehouse are very, very careful not to let arguements and disagreements disintegrate into racist confrontation, and so, what we are going to do is, we are going to attempt to allow her to defend herself and her remarks in any way she wants to, but the truth will come out. They will define themselves, they can't help it. And I think what we should do, is sit back and watch them, uh, so the American people can see what we are really up against. And I think the President would like it that way, he would not like to engage them in the discussion about their racist remarks. That is not his style.""

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/28/773401/-Maxine-Waters,-class-act,-on-GOP-racism:-Let-them-define-themselves,-let-them-reveal-who-they-are.

The DailyKos poster added:

"Imagine the race baiting rage that would appear should an African American respond in anger, or the Gods forbid violence, at the racist invective and coded language being brought forth daily and even hourly by the Republican party and Right Wing pundits. Imagine the fine line that must be walked by the African American representatives of our Congress, who clearly embody the political spirit of Jackie Robinson today. I am certain that, should an African American respond in anger with violence towards a white American (teabagger, dittohead, whathaveyou), it would be the right wings dream come true, something on a par of what the GOP/FOX/Right Wing Noise Machine only hoped and dreamed that the Ashley Todd farce would turn into, had it not failed pathetically and miserably before it got off the ground."

Well said.


Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 28, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 / GoldAndTanzanite is "hoping" for an assassination attempt (albeit "unsuccessful") for political purposes. Are you tired of that?

Posted by: JakeD | August 28, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

What most politicians want is to get re-elected. So they go along with the rants and the jokes from their base. It is useful for them to have targets like Obama and Kennedy and Pelosi; it gives them an enemy to rally their base against.

I just re-read Orwell's "1984." Having external foes and internal "traitors to our way of life" are the best ways to gain or hold on to power. Actually martyring those so-called enemies is counter-productive.

So, though I am disgusted as anyone by Rammell's remark, I don't think he actually wants Obama dead. He just wants to get elected.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 28, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I tell you one thing, Joe, I'm really sick of hearing these assasination jokes. That some R racist crackers think this is amusing is neanderthal enough, but that party leaders don't condemn is shocking enough to me that I actually am starting to beleive as you do -- that they are trying to encourage and enable some nut to actually do it.

I didn't beleive I could actually be more disgusted with the R party. But how much lower than they sink?

Posted by: drindl | August 28, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The WH won't call 'racist' even if they know it's true. BHOs been dealing with this all his life and he doesn't react - he refuses to let t get to him. And he's right. He wins because he takes the high road.

Posted by: drindl | August 28, 2009 9:39 AM
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I hear you, d.

It's the "Jackie Robinson" dilemma. But remember after years of being insulted, spat on, spiked (see Enos "Country" Slaughter), and threatened, Dodgers manager Branch Rickey at some point finally said, "Go get 'em." And Jackie kicked some serious @ss. It may be time for BHO to start shoving back.

Another analogy: Muhammed Ali's rope-a-dope. He beat Foreman letting George hit him at will until he was all punched out and then knocked out an exhausted George. Yes, Ali won the fight but ended up with Parkinson's years later.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 28, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Sick, sick, sick republicans... repulsive and mentallly ill:

"On Tuesday, Rex Rammell — a Republican candidate for governor in Idaho — joked to an audience that he’d like to hunt President Obama. The AP reports that it came up when conversation turned to Idaho’s “planned wolf hunt, for which hunters must purchase an $11.50 wolf tag.” Rammell remarked to an audience member that he’d like to purchase an Obama tag:

When an audience member shouted about “Obama tags,” Rammell responded, “The Obama tags? We’d buy some of those.”

Posted by: drindl | August 28, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

wotta surprise:

Business lobbying groups are launching a multimillion-dollar ad campaign to defeat climate change legislation. The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) and the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) are targeting the Waxman-Markey bill “as a threat to the economy” by claiming it would raise energy costs.

Posted by: drindl | August 28, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"BWJ, you missed it! Subtly, he said "Congressman Jenkins...".

The WH won't call 'racist' even if they know it's true. BHOs been dealing with this all his life and he doesn't react - he refuses to let t get to him. And he's right. He wins because he takes the high road.

Posted by: drindl | August 28, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"Republicans are struggling right now to find the great white hope." -- Rep. Lynn Jenkins. Who will answer Jenkins's call?

Top ten:

1. Mrs. Todd Phalin
2. Derek Black
3. Audra Shay
4. Chip Salsman
5. Hal Turner
6. Michelle Bachman
7. Jon Voight
8. Angelina Voight
9. K.B. Hutchison
10.Brian Kilmeade

____________
Totally unqualified by Lynn Jenkins's, er, standards:

Piyush Jindal
Michelle Maglagang
Mike Steele
Larry Elder
Juan Williams
Marcus Epstein
Tavis Smiley
Mel Martinez
Michelle Bernard

Sorry.
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BTW, the real life GWH, Jess Willard, LIVED in her congressional district so she knew what she said. Nice try, Lynn.

"Mr. Willard was a resident of St. Clere, KS, which is a mere 27 miles from Rep. Jenkins' hometown of Holton, KS and in the same congressional district she represents in Congress."

http://mediamattersaction.org/blog/200908270009

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 28, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Wonderfully put, nodebris. All 4 points, but especially #4.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 28, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

"I'll leave it up to my readers to determine whether our cardshark was being sarcastic, or is slower than molasses in January.

Hint: news outlets often publish a byline beneath a piece's title. Like:

Interim Kennedy Successor May Be Named Next Month (Update1)

By Tom Moroney

Hint 2: Tom Moroney's name was not drawn out of a hat to appoint Sen Kennedy's successor.

Posted by: bsimon1"

Dude, I laughed for five minutes at this. This is just great, hahaha.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 28, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

1) The seat will obviously go to a Democrat, whatever the maneuvering and details. Our most educated state isn't about to start throwing its weight behind the Palin Party. So no real change here.

2) 59 votes blah blah blah. Until we unwind the perverse notion that a small rural minority should have n absolute Senate veto (minority veto has worked well in CA, hasn't it?), Dems should feel free to use whatever parliamentary shortcuts they have available to enact the majority will. Reconciliation, whatever. Iron is hot. Strike, or lay down and admit you are a fool, letting Idaho and Oklahoma wag your dog for you.

3) Per #2, MA will get another Dem Senator in there lickety-split, y'betcha.

4) It will be a while before you see a family like the Kennedys again; taken all in all, a loss to us, that. A pack of arrogant bastards that God seemed to take a particular delight in shaping with harsh blows into something much greater than their earthly father had intended or imagined. A morality tale if ever there was one. An enemy can only summarize them as unambiguously bad by freezing their story at a particular moment of his own choosing, because each of the boys changed hard and fast under the force of events into something quite different from how they started. I still remember Bobby in his last month or two, a totally changed creature, humbled, in awe, and wonder "what if?" God honed the family into his own sharp prod for our conscience, and to this day, and I'm sure for many days yet, you will hear the squealing of those God goads with the name "Kennedy."

RIP, Teddy.

Posted by: nodebris | August 28, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Too funny for words.

First, leichtman posted:
"Interim Kennedy Successor May Be Named By Tom Moroney

Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick could temporarily replace the late U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy as early as the fourth week in September..."

Then our favorite poster who shall remain nameless but might be a few cards short of a deck wrote:
"Why in the h@ll does Tom Moroney get to name an Interim Kennedy Successor?! It's bad enough that the Dems change the law to let the Governor name one, but now the State-Run Media gets to name too."


I'll leave it up to my readers to determine whether our cardshark was being sarcastic, or is slower than molasses in January.

Hint: news outlets often publish a byline beneath a piece's title. Like:

Interim Kennedy Successor May Be Named Next Month (Update1)

By Tom Moroney

Hint 2: Tom Moroney's name was not drawn out of a hat to appoint Sen Kennedy's successor.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 27, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 6:41 PM

Tangent

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 27, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse


If someone tries to shut down a meeting, throw them out. As was done to Randall Terry when he tried to disrupt Moran's hearing. If someone says something contemptible, treat them with contempt. Funny how the Larouchies are allying themselves with the Republicans. Like your new friends, folks?

BB
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"I paid for this... uhhh, this microphone Mr. Greene"! Ronald Wilson Reagan (666).

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 27, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Senator Kennedy was our Ronald Wilson Reagan (666), only he was
the opposite of the Anti-Christ.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

BWJ, you missed it! Subtly, he said "Congressman Jenkins...".

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 27, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Off-Topic (again)

The real story on the effect on the economy and health insurance premiums
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574376450845822712.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Posted by: JRM2 | August 27, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

If someone tries to shut down a meeting, throw them out. As was done to Randall Terry when he tried to disrupt Moran's hearing. If someone says something contemptible, treat them with contempt. Funny how the Larouchies are allying themselves with the Republicans. Like your new friends, folks?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 27, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

MADDOW A NO-SHOW SINCE MUFFING VITTER VID BITE

Since some fellow posters here are talking about Glenn Beck, perhaps it is apropos to the occasion to note that Rachel Maddow has not appeared on MSNBC since she took a sucker punch at Louisiana Sen. David Vitter on Friday night...

... mischaracterizng his position on the reimportation of prescription drugs from Canada. She totally twisted his words to claim that he was out to "collapse the Canadian health care system."

http://groups.poynter.org/members/blog_view.asp?id=190108&post=76755

I wrote about this on Poynter.org because, as a dedicated Maddow fan, I was shocked that such an obvious error could have made it to air -- how a producer, or Maddow herself, didn't see that the sound bite in no way supported Maddow's snarky accusation that Vitter was out to "collapse" Canadian health care.

That was Friday. On Monday, I tuned in to Maddow's show, as I usually do, curious to see how she would handle the correction.

But there was no correction. And no Maddow. Fill-in Alison Stewart, wife of the network's VP for primetime, said she was "under the weather."

Stewart told the audience the same thing on Tuesday, when Maddow was a no-show. Still no Vitter correction.

Now I'm wondering if Maddow is one of those media prima donnas who can't admit a mistake -- especially when it involves a public figure she has relentlessly slammed for being a duplicitous philanderer.

But at least Vitter apologized -- something Maddow has yet to do.

She's not on the air tonight, either, pre-empted (understandably) by a previously scheduled documentary on Ted Kennedy.

Will Maddow show up tomorrow? And will she apologize for muffing the Vitter sound bite?

(Now, before you come down on me... if Maddow can invoke the image of people "tea-bagging," as she did awhile back in a tittering, over-the-top vamp with the former Wonkette, I should be able to say she muffed it with Vitter. Isn't that right, JakeD?)

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 27, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Incredible: Ten more sponsors have dropped Beck. 46 so far.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/27/773297/-Ten-more-companies-say-no-to-Glenn-Beck;-UPDATE:-Fox-tries-to-deny,-fails

From colorofchange:

Three of the latest defections--Travelers Insurance, Bell & Howell and DirecTv--join the list of advertisers who claim to have already placed Glenn Beck's program on a "do not air" list, but whose ads have been seen on Beck's program, apparently against their wishes.

"We could not be happier with the results of our campaign so far," said James Rucker, Executive Director of ColorOfChange.org. "All 46 companies that have distanced themselves from Glenn Beck should be applauded for their stance."

"We are still reaching out to companies whose ads we see during Beck's nightly program," Rucker continued. "Based on the fact that many of the recent ads on Beck's program are for gold coins and News Corp properties, it looks like Fox News Channel is struggling to place advertisements on Beck's show."

They are down to "gold coins" and other Fox properties. That's the bottom of the barrel. Beginning of the end.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Sure agree with your last post, BB. I wish all of the Dems would stand up and confront the loons. They have no right to dominate these meetings, and keep other people who want to ask legitimate questions from speaking or hearing.

==

The only town hall clip I saw was full of people yelling and chanting, some fat guy turning around and leading chants.

TYranny! TYranny! TYranny!

How do you debate a foghorn?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Neither are mine.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, G&T. Not bad, not bad at all as WJC might say. Do you win something for this achievement?

==

Dunno, but hey my posts aren't trolls.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Update from one hour ago:

Jenkins now says she wasn't even talking about Obama in her call for a "great white hope." LOL
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iTHvyXMSeuAHmv8eJyl7v2pmkgkgD9ABG5T00

The WH response was disappointing:
"I saw that report," White House spokesman Bill Burton said at a briefing on Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts, where Obama is vacationing. "I also saw that her spokesperson backpeddaled and said that was a poor choice of words. We obviously give congressman Jenkins the benefit of the doubt."

At some point you need to start hitting back.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

People wonder why there is such chaos at townhall meetings. This is the inflammatory language posted on my Congressman's website. Anyone now wonder why they are not interested in intelligent discussions to find a resolution to change healthcare but instead encourage anger and disruption:

Rep. John XXXX:
Townhall Meeting at XXXX Ridge High School
Date: Aug. 27
Time: 6:30 to 8:00 p.m.
Location:
Houston, TX
According to CongressmanXXXX's website, the town hall will be held "to discuss how we can stop the liberal agenda of nationalized health care, energy taxes, and record deficits."

"Stopping an Agenda"; now does that sound like anything other than an inflammatory call to arms?

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"The other day Olbermann characterized Beck's recent vacation as a "suspension" and there was no subsequent pushback from Fox or Beck to my knowledge. Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for Mr. Beck.

Posted by: broadwayjoe"

Honestly, this looks like an attempt to wait it out. Don't kid yourselves that the companies have any moral compunction about ads on Beck's show. It's all about PR. A lot of people watch Beck which makes him attractive for advertisers.

I'm not saying we can't get rid of him, but we need to be diligent. FOX doesn't want to push him out the door.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The Glen Beck rant is pretty par for his course, no?

And to think, it's all free market economics that's doing this.

Even if FOX isn't losing immediate revenue, Beck's time slot is wasted opportunity cost. If his time is radioactive, that means the ad time will have less competition and less earning power. Presumably someone will want to be on there to get the exposure for a discounted rate even with the PR hit, but will only pay a fraction of the money Wal-Mart would.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I've never watched the show, joe, but I've heard he's really losing it in a big way. Sweating but only getting nuttier.

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 6:40 PM
____________
d, to be honest I had never seen his show except for a second while channel surfing. But Beck's act goes WAY beyond Hannity and O'Reilly. It's more like the Howard Beale character in Network. The other thing I spotted is a clear subtext calling for the unmentionable to happen re BHO. That's why Beck needs to be taken off the air by the sponsors ASAP.

The other day Olbermann characterized Beck's recent vacation as a "suspension" and there was no subsequent pushback from Fox or Beck to my knowledge. Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for Mr. Beck.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

Well, I guess I did ask for a "canard", my fault -- that's quite a whopper since the First Amendment does indeed contain the rights of assembly AND petition for redress of grievances -- have a wonderful evening.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

re: Beck.

Yeah, as long as there are enough advertisers who don't care where they are placed, they can accomodate a few who do. When it gets widespread, they have a problem. Having good ratings doesn't count if no one wants their ads on your show!

Thanks to all who have contributed to this.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 27, 2009 5:37 PM
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Co-sign.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I've never watched the show, joe, but I've heard he's really losing it in a big way. Sweating but only getting nuttier.

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

GoldAndTanzanite 43
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Way to go, G&T. Not bad, not bad at all as WJC might say. Do you win something for this achievement?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I just monitored Beck briefly.

He was engaged in some idiotic rant where he took the first letter of Obama's name and of seven other words to spell out: "oligarch." Then he said, "What's missing?" He then answered, "y (Why)." In other words, why is there an oligarchy? His screed was so unhinged and mental I had to turn it off. I hadn't realized how lost this guy is, and how inappropriate it is that corporations actually sponsor this bigoted craziness.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Sure agree with your last post, BB. I wish all of the Dems would stand up and confront the loons. They have no right to dominate these meetings, and keep other people who want to ask legitimate questions from speaking or hearing.

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Glenn Beck video. I wonder what platform is "a thousand times more powerful" than Fox News. Or, he could simply apologize for calling the President a racist. Naaah, much easier to be self-righteous.

No way Barney Frank is going anywhere. I would like to send the C-SPAN video of his town hall conference to every quavering Democrat. He called a spade a spade (or rather, a loon a loon).

I stand by my assessment of how replacement senators should be chosen. Nominated by the governor and confirmed by the state senate.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 27, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I really can't imagine why someone would want to spend his entire day, every day, on a blog where everyone else can't stand him and wants him to go away

==

Some people get gratification out of being malevolant hateful jerks. I don't understand it but I know it to be true.

I doubt it feels very good inside though, just look how defensive that türd is about his life. He has to invent riotously unbelievable details like a law degree and a wife and expects people to believe he's happy.

To hell with him. Please ignore him, otherwise he just posts even more than usual.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Didn't think it was appropriate to post this on any retrospective threads, but I guess this is politics, so it's par for the course.

Blog stats as of 6:10 p.m. Eastern

Name Count
GoldAndTanzanite 43
JakeD 39
yeswiican 30
broadwayjoe 20
leichtman 15
moonchild64 15
DDAWD 14
angriestdogintheworld 10
drindl 8
scrivener50 8
3 posters 4
9 posters 3
7 posters 2
26 posters 1

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 27, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

STILL MORE EVIDENCE THAT U.S. GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE OPERATIVES USE WARRANTLESS SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS AS A PRETEXT TO HARASS AND CENSOR U.S. CITIZENS VIA TELECOMMUNICATIONS.

I tried to post an account of this apparent police state- like censorship here, since it involves internet interests of The Washington Post. But once again, I received a "held for blog owner" message -- despite the fact that WaPo does not "hold" posts unless its software detects foul language.

So please visit the "comments" section of this ACLU "Freedom Blog" link (scroll to bottom and read up) and decide for yourself -- does this sound like the United States of America, or Communist China?

http://blog.aclu.org/2009/01/26/internet-filters-voluntary-ok-not-government-mandate

Team Obama, you've got a problem -- and it's my hunch that it involves gross insubordination, rather than any capitulation to authoritarian censorship on the part of cabinet secretaries (or so I would like to believe).

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 27, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

At least I can get "offer" while I'm criticizing "stupid" people. And, I don't spend my entire day, every day here ("GoldAndTanzanite" aka chrisfox8 has posted more on this thread than I have ; )

I obviously sleep and try to golf at least once or twice a week -- I was out this whole morning in case you didn't notice -- my wife and I went to dinner last night, and we are also going sailing tonight. No loneliness or desperation here.

Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

High-Fives the real people on the blog about Beck.

I hope he opens a vein in the bathtub. Lousy racist SOB.

Expect revenge moves from the filth, expect MSNBC to get blasted with fake calls about Olbermann.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

teehee. Kucinich calling for review of health insurance practices. Love it!

"The insurance industry is facing new heat from House Democrats as Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee on Domestic Policy, on Wednesday requested that six top insurance company executives appear before his panel to explain how they do business.

Kucinich in his letter said the Sept. 17 hearing will examine “the nature, cost/benefit, and impact of administrative measures and protocols used by the health insurance industry to determine coverage for doctor-prescribed health care treatments, as well as costs of administrative measures undertaken by doctors to interface with insurance companies.”

The missive went to CEOs of Aetna, WellPoint, Cigna, Humana, Hemingway Health Care and UnitedHealth. It follows a request earlier this month that Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), chairman of that panel’s Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, sent to 52 insurance companies requesting reams of potentially embarrassing financial information. Waxman and Stupak are seeking details of executive compensation packages, conferences and retreats they sponsored, and the profitability of their products.

Kucinich, a vocal House liberal, asked the insurance executives to prepare testimony to “discuss the methods and protocols by which your health insurance company determines coverage for prescribed medical treatments, the administrative cost associated with this activity, and your company’s awareness of the response by doctors to these activities.”

“I further request that the testimony put into context anecdotes of claims denials, deferrals, and policy rescissions by insurers,” Kucinich wrote. “Your testimony should also discuss the adequacy and availability of data on, and government oversight of, the extent and impact of these actions.”

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I really can't imagine why someone would want to spend his entire day, every day, on a blog where everyone else can't stand him and wants him to go away.

How sad that anyone's life is that lonely and desperate.

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Guiliani can run for whatever he wants. However, people here in New York, including the many firefighters and police who were injured or died from his mishandling of pretty much everything connected to 9/11 and before, and the really nasty business of his various affairs with staffers and subsequent divorce, remember and his chances are nil.

As far as Beck goes, hallelujah. He's as bad as it gets and not that bright, either.

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

LOL, leichtman!!! You certainly didn't disappoint; way to "ignore" my rants, etc. I'm not leaving here until the Good Lord calls me home (opposite of where Ted Kennedy is headed ; )

HAT TRICK!!!

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I love it I just tried to vote NO to Sarah Palin at this site and it keeps telling me my email is formatted incorrectly LOL BUT when I tried from another computer and voted Yes it accepted it....whats up Chris? LOL Trying to sway the vote for Mrs. Stupid?

Posted by: Grissom1001 | August 27, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck is up to 39 sponser pulls.....sounds like he is going to have to take his circus act on the rode...we will see how that works out for him LOL

Posted by: Grissom1001 | August 27, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

sorry, we have universally agreed to ignore your rants and diatribes. Please go find a nice right wing site to visit. I think Glenn Beck's site might be up for a few more days, and please don't forget to take your meds.

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

re: Beck.

Yeah, as long as there are enough advertisers who don't care where they are placed, they can accomodate a few who do. When it gets widespread, they have a problem. Having good ratings doesn't count if no one wants their ads on your show!

Thanks to all who have contributed to this.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 27, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

So let's see if I have this right....Guliani can run for office after having his marriage adultry mess and Catholic divorce but Kennedy may have trouble? LOL Really? See this is why people find the Republicans like Chris a joke...they cant connect the dots.

Posted by: Grissom1001 | August 27, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

leichtman:

I'm anxiously hoping for a "Hat Trick" from you; don't disappoint me with your next post.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

re: American cars, I agree with leichtman and mikeinmidland. Not only are a lot of foreign brands made here, but a lot of so-called domestic brands are built in Canada or Mexico or have parts from there.

As for Cash-for-Clunkers, just ask the auto dealers if they think it was a good deal. (yeah, yeah they want their money sooner).

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

A Daily Kos poster on Beck's meltdown:

"You can almost see smell it on Glenn, his allusions to a "new platform", how he has had "everything taken away before", how he has been "broke" before."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/27/773279/-The-Clock-is-Ticking-on-Glenn-Beck

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Why in the h@ll does Tom Moroney get to name an Interim Kennedy Successor?! It's bad enough that the Dems change the law to let the Governor name one, but now the State-Run Media gets to name too. DDAWD: what do you think about this latest development?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Hoo-ray!

On Daily Kos, a media insider in a piece called "The Clock is Ticking on Glenn Beck" is speculating Beck may be on the way out. He includes a video showing Beck incoherently pleading his case on TV. Clearly, the boycott IS working (Don't let Howie Kurtz tell you pain doesn't hurt.) Could be there are no more Fox advertisers left to replace those who left Beck. Be sure to check in with colorofchange.org to contact any sponsors who have been rotated in.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/27/773279/-The-Clock-is-Ticking-on-Glenn-Beck

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

first of all Honda and Toyota are built in Alabama and San Antonio and many of those made in Japan use American components.

as for the Kennedy replacement this story sounds positive for healthcare:

"Interim Kennedy Successor May Be Named By Tom Moroney

Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick could temporarily replace the late U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy as early as the fourth week in September under a timetable being considered by Democratic members of the Legislature, a key committee chairman said today.

“It is possible to get it done” by Sept. 24 or 25, said state Representative Michael Moran, a Boston Democrat and co- chairman of the Joint Committee on Election Laws"

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

flcracker -- i was correct the first time. You are a moron. You made my point for me "Most people don't have insurance now because they cannot afford it."

And Obama's plan would help that.

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) said yesterday morning on WBUR that he categorically will NOT run for the seat. He has his chairmanship and that it would be, in his words, "irresponsible" to run for office while dealing with all the financial services legislation before him.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Frank has stated categorically that he is not interested. I think a Kennedy would be ok for the temporary appointment if they change the law, but not for the election.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad the 4 top-sellers are made in the US. But why is that always such a big deal with cars? Nobody asks that their TVs be made-in-America, or their shoes, or most other things.

I got a lot of crap at work for my Mazda at work (made in Flat Rock Michigan). Turns out the guys who gave me grief had relatives working for GM or Ford. It wasn't patriotism, it was pure parochialism.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 27, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Barney Frank has that same fire in the belly as Senator Kennedy and likely the favorite if he chooses to leave his prominent Committee Assignment in the House. He is the kind of leader the D party desperately needs with the passing of Sen. Kennedy. Just having a Kennedy name is just not enough for his replacment. Temperament and intellect are just as important and Congressman Frank has both.

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Too bad that "Cash for Clunkers" is Un-Constitutional, adversely impacted used car / parts sales, and will depress new auto sales for years.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Off-Topic, but hey, a lot of posts today are too:

Re: Cash for Clunkers: "The clunkers averaged 15.9 MPG. New cars sold --and there are 690,000 of them-- averaged 24.9 MPG. That's a 58% improvement in fuel efficiency. Japanese companies won the sales battle, with 41% of cars sold, compared to Detroit's 39% sold. The single most popular car was the Toyota Corolla, followed by the Honda Civic, Toyota Camry and Ford Focus.

All four cars are made in America."
Source: The Daily Profit (a financial newsletter)

Posted by: JRM2 | August 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

mnteng haven't heard from you in ages.
Its great Az had the good sense to require that replacements be from the same party, likely b/c they pretty reliably vote R in national elections and have had D Governors.Does that also apply if you have a governor, lt governor or state AG suddenly die or just for federal offices?
Now lets talk about your really scary gun laws. Will think of that when we visit our unit in Sedona next May. And I thought Texas had insane gun laws. We allow guns practically everwherhere except in our courts and state legislature.

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

There was no special election in MN. Wellstone died 11 days before the election. Mondale was drafted for the Dem. ticket, and Coleman was elected to a full 6-year term.

Barkley served out the last two months of Wellstone's term. (He had run and lost against Wellstone before).

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

Barkley ran last year against Franken and Coleman.

Posted by: mnteng | August 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

It is possible that Jenkins didn't know the origin of the phrase.
__________
Uh, no, it isn't.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

mtcooley:

According to the North Carolina Department of Transportation, "An occupant is any person who occupies one seat in the vehicle. Pregnant mothers count as one occupant." http://www.ncdot.org/HOV/i77/faqs.htm

Same goes for Georgia, Virginia, and (as I said) California. I have not been able to find the specific law in Mass. And for the record, pets and cadavers don't count as occupants in those States either.

P.S. Sen. Kennedy's casket has arrived at the JFK Library.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, AZ state law requires that the Governor appoint a replacement Senator from the same party based on the recommendations of that party's representatives. It came up during the election campaign last year. MN must be different because Ventura replaced Wellstone with Barkley.

Posted by: mnteng "

I don't think most states have stipulations on party.

But voters are good at weeding out these types of cronyism appointments. When governor appoint people who aren't already elected officials, the appointments tend not to do well in their elections. Besides, Wellstone's seat ended up going to a Republican anyways.

Now that I think about it, did Barkley actually end up running in the special election?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: I followed your link assuming it was written by Nate Silver. Nate's post, explaining why Romney very probably could not win Kennedy's seat, was right up his alley and well written.

The professor you linked to basically said, "it would look bad." I agree that it might look bad, but mostly for the Mass. legislature and Gov. Patrick. So it's really their call.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

leichtman:

Actually, AZ state law requires that the Governor appoint a replacement Senator from the same party based on the recommendations of that party's representatives. It came up during the election campaign last year. MN must be different because Ventura replaced Wellstone with Barkley.

Posted by: mnteng | August 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Careful, "GoldAndTanzanite" you were banned once before for that. As I've stated, not everyone here believes that I am a racist.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

mtcooley:

Here in California, pregnant women count as ONE person for carpool lanes. I wasn't aware that was different in Mass., or that dead bodies count. Thanks for the answer.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your diligent scholarship JRM2 but everyone here already knows he's a racist türd, which is why we ignore him now. Just let him flail.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

@blarg: Thanks for the correction about Mass. governors. The point is, no one votes for governor based on their ability to appoint a senator.

Clearly, if the voters elected Kerry and Kennedy to the Senate, they're not wanting to send a Romney clone.

Again, I don't think its going to make a big difference to the health care debate to have a 60th democrat. They'll either get Snowe on board or push it through reconciliation. I think they'd wait until February rather than use the Constitutional option in any case.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised someone has to ask if a hearse is allowed to travel in HOV lanes. Yes they are as are pregnant women, people with small children, and emergency/state/local municipality vehicles in general.

Posted by: mtcooley | August 27, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I hope you press your great leader to keep this in the plan that passes.

==

If you want a serious discussion and you're not just here to troll then please leave out the snarky "your great leader" crap.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/should-kennedys-dying-wish-on-temporary.html

fivethirtyeight on the law change. This guy disagrees with it for the same reason I do.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone know of a governor replacing a senator with one of the opposite party?"

That is besides the point. In reality there is nothing in any state election law that I have ever seen that would prevent that, and that would certainly thwart the will of the voters from whichever party preference you view it. That should be grounds to then remove that governor if it did happen. Somehow common sense tells us that requiring selection of a replacment from the same party should be required. Unfortunately that is likely a state legislature's perogative.

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Are people clapping on the side of the road that Sen. Kennedy is dead? Is anyone else watching this?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

John McCain had legal standing to challenge Obama's election based on the allegation that Obama was not a natural-born citizen.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Fine. Then require governors tasked with appointing an interim Senator to appoint from the same party as the one being replaced.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite"

Works for me.

Does anyone know of a governor replacing a senator with one of the opposite party? Ramifications for the appointee or the governor? I know that people are usually good at voting out nepotism appointments, but what about things like this?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

JRM2:

Neither of those posts were hateful or racist. If anyone else wants to know why, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

1. Who would have standing to challenge his election? His cabinet members would not likely want to remove him, maybe a member of Congress.
2.He could not be impeached without proof of a high crime or misdemeanor;
3. Elections however are political in nature and the party process as well as voters would reject that candidate.
Ahnold though is a terrible example as a GOP nominee, never going to happen but I understand your larger point it just ignores political realities.

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Who's the moron drindl me or Obama who is backing off of a public option in his health care reform which could put the insurance companies in their place. I hope you press your great leader to keep this in the plan that passes. Just remember what I said, and pay attention, there will be a lot more pockets for the insurance companies to pick because there will be no public option and everyone will have to pay for health care whether they want to or not. Most people don't have insurance now because they cannot afford it and their employers do not provide a plan but you will not be able to opt out because you will be mandated to have insurance whether you can pay for it or not.

Posted by: flcraker | August 27, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"As I've always said, I would trade taxpayer-funded abortions for all registered Democrats as long as every other abortion is banned.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:52 PM |"
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"... Instead of the Easter Egg roll, are they going to use watermelons this year?

Posted by: JakeD | February 25, 2009 4:40 PM"
"BTW: I am neither hateful nor racist.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:25 PM |"
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Posted by: JRM2 | August 27, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

yeswiican: Romney wasn't a fluke. Massachusetts had a Republican governor for 12 years before Romney. Like many states, Massachusetts often votes differently for Governor than for President and legislatures.

Posted by: Blarg | August 27, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin:

Those are not the only lawful ways (lawsuits by civilians with standing -- i.e. military servicemen and women concerned about obeying lawful orders -- and tossing out enough Representatives in two years being among the other ways ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Massachusetts, along with its state legislature, is overwhelmingly Democratic. Romney was a fluke. To allow him appoint a Republican Senator in the case of Kerry's election would have put the state legislature in the dog house.

I think the special election is a good thing, and I hope more states adopt it. Leaving a seat open for 5 months is not the end of the world--they manage to fill the congressional seats pretty quickly.

If they decide to amend the law to allow for a temporary replacement, that's fine, but I don't think its a big deal either way. It won't make or break health care or anything else. If it was the 50th seat instead of the 60th, I might think differently.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

BTW: does Sen. Kennedy's hearse count as a high-occupancy / carpool vehicle?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, I think you and I can have an amusing discussion of Article 2 Section 1, and Amendments 12 and 25, to the Constitution.

1. Assume Ahnold was elected and inaugurated as president and no lawsuits claiming his Austrian birth disqualified him had succeeded because no one with standing had initiated litigation. As we know, the standing doctrine has eviscerated many a claim that seemed worthy in the office. As we know, the extraordinary remedy of quo warranto has virtually disappeared in federal procedure because of the standing doctrine.

2. After the inauguration, I believe there are two methods for lawfully removing a Prez.

A. One is impeachment, which despite its broad limitations of use is a powerful political tool. Let us say that the Congress simply does not impeach Ahnold, preferring his pronunciation of many words.

B. The other occurs when "the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

Ahnold publishes his Austrian long form birth certificate in German, but Congress will not impeach and the VP will not convene the Cabinet to send a written declaration to the House because he likes Ahnold's pronunciation, too.

Ahnold serves out his term. All his acts are presidential. People who do not like his pronunciation whine.

Korrect und richtig, mein herr Leichtman? :-)

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 27, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

You know, I agree with MDlaxer. That is pretty much what they are doing. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me.

==

Fine. Then require governors tasked with appointing an interim Senator to appoint from the same party as the one being replaced.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

It is really hard to imagine what must be going through Republicans heads (besides air) when they go ballistic because Obama want to increase domestic spending after TRILLIONS of dollars have been blown overseas for the past 8 years.

Where were the Town Hall terrorists then?

Posted by: JRM2 | August 27, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD "agreeS with MDlaxer about no rational discourse, only name-calling here, right after calling me a "hateful racist swine"? Comedy gold!

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

You know, I agree with MDlaxer. That is pretty much what they are doing. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Tweet from BarackObama:

Spread the truth: Reform will prevent insurance companies from rationing your care. http://bit.ly/3ev3Aj #hc09

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I see. No rational discourse here. Just name calling. Got it!

Posted by: MDLaxer | August 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

what would be interesting to find out is how these expenditures by UNH and others through these lobbying groups, is then being passed on by increasing premiums. They should be required to disclose that information in their monthly premium notices.

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

What "stormfront"?

I thought this was a Wash Post blog. Didn't realize it was "liberals only

==

It's not liberals only but the intellectual bar is a little higher than you demonstrate with your ham-handed sarcasm

But raising the intellectual expectations does have the effect of excluding most people with politics like yours.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

What "stormfront"?

I thought this was a Washington Post blog.

I didn't realize it was "liberals only".

Posted by: MDLaxer | August 27, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I cannot get offer the stupidity of these people, acting as tools for insurers who will screw them the first chance they get. There are so many damaged brains out there...

==

It's a riot. And the people egging them on appeal to their conceit with lines like "you know better than some government bureaucrat how to manage your own lives!"

Yeah, right.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

What "stormfront"?

I thought this was a Wash Post blog. Didn't realize it was "liberals only".

Posted by: MDLaxer | August 27, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"drindl" cannot get "offer" -- and then criticizes "stupid" people?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

MDLaxer:

They prefer an echo-chamber here.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"UnitedHealth, another large insurer, was caught recently using a call center to direct people to a radical tea party anti-health reform protest outside of the offices of Rep. Zach Space (D-OH)."

I cannot get offer the stupidity of these people, acting as tools for insurers who will screw them the first chance they get. There are so many damaged brains out there...

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Mass just come out and pass a law that says "If a Senate vacancy occurs mid-term a Democratic Govenor may appoint an interim Senator to sit until a special election can be held. However, if the Govenor is a Republican, he/she may not appoint an interim Senator and the seat will stay vacant until a special election can be held."

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Why don't you mosey on back to stormfront and boast that you "brought the liberal blog to its knees."

Off with you now. Shoo! Shoo!

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Looks like a lot of the 'protestors' at town halls are phonies -- what a surprise:

"Earlier this week, the Wall Street Journal reported that AHIP — the multimillion dollar lobbying juggernaut for the health insurance industry — has mobilized 50,000 employees to lobby Congress to defeat the public option. ThinkProgress has learned that AHIP’s grassroots lobbying is being managed by the corporate consulting firm Democracy Data & Communications. DDC has made a name for itself as one of the most effective stealth lobbying firms. Earlier this summer, DDC was caught by reporters using a front group called “Citizens for a Safe Alexandria” to attack the Obama administration for seeking to prosecute Guantanamo Bay prisoners in Alexandria, VA.

According to the server-information hub Domaintools.com, the AHIP grassroots outreach website AHIPAdvocacy.org is hosted on a server owned by DDC. A review of this data shows that DDC maintains the grassroots outreach websites for large health insurance companies, but also for big tobacco and Koch Industries:

– phillipmorrisusaactioncenter.org (Altria)
– tobaccoissues.com (Altria)
– kochpac.com (Koch Industries)
– aetnavotes.com (Aetna)
– healthactionnetwork.org (WellPoint)
– humanapartners.com (Humana)
– ahipadvocacy.org (AHIP

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

You are aware that "chrisfox8" was banned for repeated personal attacks like "hateful, racist swine", right? BTW: I am neither hateful nor racist.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Mass just come out and pass a law that says "If a Senate vacancy occurs mid-term a Democratic Govenor may appoint an interim Senator to sit until a special election can be held. However, if the Govenor is a Republican, he/she may not appoint an interim Senator and the seat will stay vacant until a special election can be held."

This way, they won't have to change the law every few years.

Posted by: MDLaxer | August 27, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"At an event at University of Kansas in Lawrence, Jenkins denied she was speaking in racial terms and said she meant only that the GOP needs “a bright light.”"

As opposed to the dim bulbs they have now.

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Over 100,000 filed past Reagan's casket at his Library. Again, the honest truth:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/08/reagan.main/index.html

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"@leichtman: please just ignore the schmuck. As you see, he's already in panic mode at not getting responses and as the day wears on his posts will be more an more offensive and obvious in dishonesty as he flails for responses. Let him flail.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite"

Ditto. He wants attention and he wants to clutter the board. Responding to him accomplishes both of these things. We know he's hateful, racist swine. Let's just ignore. No need to belabor the point.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

It is possible that Jenkins didn't know the origin of the phrase. It is also possible she didn't consciously use that phrase as racist code--its not much of a code is it? But it certainly does tell a lot about her thinking.

Don't know why, but it reminds me of the time my son's 1st grade teacher used the acronym SNAFU in her weekly newsletter, apparently without knowing what it stood for.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

just hoping he will take his meds.

mark nuking it would mean no filibuster which would be fine with me.these protestors are so irrational that they don't even know what they are protesting and why I posted the poll on the public option where voters clearly do not understand that the public option is in fact an option. When they do they overwhelmingly support it.

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm heel-clickin' happy to have Randall Terry as a spokesman for the opposition. One of the most repellent people alive. Disowned his own children, dumped his wife for someone younger, move over Fred Phelps.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"At an event at University of Kansas in Lawrence, Jenkins denied she was speaking in racial terms and said she meant only that the GOP needs “a bright light.”"

LOL

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

And, I wasn't BANNED to only come back under another log-in name.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

What a repulsive and ugly little troll we have here. Dripping slime... like all the rest of the rightwing nuts. Town hall in VA yesterday:


"The Moran town hall was the last stop on a 10-city tour for Randall Terry, the anti-abortion activist known for his extreme tactics.

Terry's colleagues put on a skit with a man in an Obama mask pretending to whip a bloodied woman, who kept saying, "Massa, don't hit me no more. I got the money to kill the babies."

Terry himself dressed in a doctor's lab coat and pretended to stab a woman in a gray wig.

"There's no way to pay for this thing without killing granny," Terry explained. "

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I haven't posted anything dishonest.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@leichtman: please just ignore the schmuck. As you see, he's already in panic mode at not getting responses and as the day wears on his posts will be more an more offensive and obvious in dishonesty as he flails for responses. Let him flail.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The influential film's enigmatic title refers to the popular Latin song from the late 1930s by Arry Barroso, often used as an escapist theme in the orchestral soundtrack (by Michael Kamen).

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

M-I-A, you're right. The HuffPo piece doesn't say what the woman who was actually thrown out said, but what some others said.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

A lot more people (including me) turned out for Ronald Reagan's casket procession -- I think it is telling that the aren't keeping the JFK Library open 24 hours per day for visitors there -- if Saturday's memorial turns into another Wellstone fiasco, I hope that both Bush's get up and leave.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

yes Terry Gillian, but I used the term Monty Python because they are better known then the individual members, several of which were in the film Brazil, which I never did quite understand why they called the film Brazil.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 27, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

protesting a Senator's death.
what a schmuck.
my guess is that these are the same kinds of people who were cheering in 1963 when learning of JFK's assasination. As much as we believe that things have changed in 46 years, they stay the same.

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin:

Is BHO someone who follows the Constitution if he is not a natural-born citizen?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD writes:
"I wonder if I'd be able to. Got a link?"

When in doubt, try www.pollster.com. They have the toplines, but you'll have to download the PDF to get into the numbers.

Posted by: mnteng | August 27, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

As I've always said, I would trade taxpayer-funded abortions for all registered Democrats as long as every other abortion is banned.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

BWJ - must have been a different woman. At yesterday's TH, of which I heard part om POTUS, he had a woman ejected for yelling "nuke-it", repeatedly.

Day before he was roundly booed for defending BHO as someone who follows the constitution.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Can you beleive the asininity of this:


"Recently, the Republican National Committee mailed out a survey to an unknown number of voters--including at least one non-Republican--spreading misinformation about the Democrats' health care reform proposal.

The most egregious question: "It has been suggested that the government could use voter registration to determine a person's political affiliation, prompting fears that GOP voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a Democrat-imposed health care rationing system. Does this possibility concern you?"

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Double-standard, Mac?

McCain had defended the right of the Town Hall terrori-, er, "protesters" to disrupt health care reform discussion groups. But when a protester questioned him yesterday on how much money he was getting from the insurance companies, he promptly had security physically remove the woman.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/27/mccain-evicts-angry-woman_n_270194.html

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Where's Mary Jo's Motorcade?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"You wait until health care reform goes through without the public option. Health insurance will be mandated and the insurance companies will be charging you whatever they choose and there won't be a thing you can do about it"

They do now, you moron. The posters you get here sometimes... jeez.

Sarah Palin just keeps getting more incoherent and flaky. I think she''ll probably just fade into obscurity. she's so unstable that eventually she will just stop getting asked to speak anywhere.

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Mary Jo Kopechne (July 26, 1940 – July 18, 1969) was born in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, the only child of insurance salesman Joseph Kopechne and his wife, Gwen. She was of Polish American heritage. The family moved to New Jersey when she was an infant.

After graduating with a degree in business administration from Caldwell College for Women in New Jersey in 1962, Kopechne moved to Montgomery, Alabama, to teach for a year at the Mission of St. Jude. In 1963, she moved to Washington, D.C., to work as secretary to Florida Senator George Smathers.

She was killed when Ted Kennedy drove the car she was in off a bridge and left her in 8 feet of water, going home and not reporting the crash until 10 hours later, after police had already found her dead body. Even Ryan Jenkins reported Jasmine Fiore's car missing before he left for Canada.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

What's clear is this was not some off-hand remark. She is sharing with true believers the privately held consensus of GOP leaders that a GWH is desperately needed. (A Dem snuck into the crowd and videoed her performance.) The original GWH, Jess Willard, passed away some time ago, so who's left?

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Mitch Daniels! Newt Gingrich! Tim Pawlenty! Charlie Crist!

(pause)

Haley Barbour!!

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if CC finally stopped doing gibbering Palin!!! columns because the absurdity got so dense it was close to gravitational collapse?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 2:27 PM
__________
So far so good. No "Palin in 2012" or "Hillary is a _______" recently. Who knows maybe we'll eventually see a legit poll or a positive BHO mention. Naaaaaaah.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans are struggling right now to find the great white hope," Jenkins said last week. "I suggest to any of you who are concerned about that, who are Republican, there are some great young Republican minds in Washington."
_________

What's clear is this was not some off-hand remark. She is sharing with true believers the privately held consensus of GOP leaders that a GWH is desperately needed. (A Dem snuck into the crowd and videoed her performance.) The original GWH, Jess Willard, passed away some time ago, so who's left?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

http://llnw.static.cbslocal.com/station/wbz/wbz/2009/august/KENNEDYROUTE.pdf

Weird that we were just at the JFK Library a month ago (before we went to protest at Cambridge at Prof. Gates). Too bad I can't be there today protesting with an oversized picture of Mary Jo Kopechne.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The Mitch Daniels one really got me. The other three I can sort of see, especially Crist, who strikes me as one of the best guys they have out there. But Mitch Daniels??

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It's the Sarah Palin ones that make me snicker in an unhealthy way. Like she has a shot at the presidency. Like she had a shot before she resigned her governorship when it stopped being fun.

She just blew off yet another speaking engagement, once again claiming she knew nothing about it despite her presence having been planned for weeks .. some fundie deal in Alaska to require teenage girls to get parental approval for an abortion.

I wonder if CC finally stopped doing gibbering Palin!!! columns because the absurdity got so dense it was close to gravitational collapse?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"The first "Great White Hope" Jim Jeffries was brought out of retirement to reclaim the title, but was soundly defeated by Jackson in 1910.

Jackson lost the title in 1915 in Cuba to Jess Willard, who only afterward was called The Great White Hope. At 6 ft, 6.5 in, he was the biggest heavyweight champ in history."

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 2:17
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Yes, you jogged my memory. Part of the deal Jack cut was if he threw the fight, he could come back to the states. My recollection is that after returning to the U.S., he had to do some minimal time and then was released. A black would not be allowed to fight again for the heavyweight title until Joe Louis. Those are the "good ol' days" Rep. Jenkins wants to bring back.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"GOP savior Mitch Daniels! GOP savior Newt Gingrich! GOP savior Tim Pawlenty! GOP savior Charlie Crist!"

The Mitch Daniels one really got me. The other three I can sort of see, especially Crist, who strikes me as one of the best guys they have out there. But Mitch Daniels??

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The first "Great White Hope" Jim Jeffries was brought out of retirement to reclaim the title, but was soundly defeated by Jackson in 1910.

Jackson lost the title in 1915 in Cuba to Jess Willard, who only afterward was called The Great White Hope. At 6 ft, 6.5 in, he was the biggest heavyweight champ in history.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Are the police officers at Hyannis Port drinking beer (celebrating no longer having to watch out for Teddy's escapades)? Some lady locked herself out of her silver Chrysler Mass. license plate ETJ 2976. Send AAA.

LIVE on CNN.com right now.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Or about some obscure GOP loser who needs some free publicity.

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GOP savior Mitch Daniels! GOP savior Newt Gingrich! GOP savior Tim Pawlenty! GOP savior Charlie Crist!

It's sickening how Republicans and their slavish supporters are always trying to shape perceptions by selecting information and lying. It seems almost a reflex for them. From organized flooding of online polls to organized flooding of congressional contacts to organized flooding of public blogs to one lie after another from representatives.

It used to work a lot better than now. Doesn't seem to be working at all now.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe we'll get another "GOP resurgence" column with some happy talk about how moderates are gaining strength in the party.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 1:47 PM"
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Or about some obscure GOP loser who needs some free publicity. Or some Rasmussen-type (read: bogus) "poll" showing Corzine or some other Dem "in trouble."

How come the new poll showing Corzine AHEAD hasn't been highlighted? It may not show up until 2012, but the new demographics will likely end the GOP's status as a national party. One poll Fix hasn't highlighted was the one showing 3% Hispanic support for the GOP. That's lower than the GOP support in Newark! :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

((((Not even funny, scrivener, just tiresome. If you really believe this nonsense, assuming it isn't just a joke extended miles past its prime, you really should get yourself a shrink.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse))))


Why don't you just say, "Take your meds" -- the hallmark phrase of lame psy ops?

Suggest "team leader" send this one up the line as well.

Roz Mazer, do your duty.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 27, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

You wait until health care reform goes through without the public option. Health insurance will be mandated and the insurance companies will be charging you whatever they choose and there won't be a thing you can do about it because you will be required to let them pick your pocket whether you like it or not. Your great Obama is already backpedaling on this portion of the bill and if this isn't part of the package, you, the working class just got took. This ensures that the insurance company lobby gets what they wanted in the first place. More customers and an unlimited pool of premiums and rate increases. Don't believe it just wait and see. I live in Fl and the insurance companies are eating us alive to insure our homes. These people don't care about the middle or working class. Power is what they feed on and bow to not democracy. You believe what you want but while they are in there pressuring the legislature of Massachusetts there won't be a special election in your future but a coronation of their pick for the seat. Why do you think they are pushing so hard. To get a vote for the Health Care Reform. They could do that right now but they don't have the guts to do it themselves without the Republicans because they want someone to blame when the people find out what they passed and how it is going to affect them financially.

Posted by: flcraker | August 27, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Great take from "outlandish" on HuffPo re the GOP call for a Great White Hope:

"Latino vote gone. African American vote kaput. Asians you are unwelcomed, Moderates please leave this ship. We are going down with all white hands on deck."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/26/gop-rep-republicans-strug_n_270078.html

As I recall it, the real life Great White Hope allegedly won only after Jack Johnson agreed to throw the fight in return for having the criminal charges against him dropped and a cash payment. Jack didn't go down in the fight until he got a signal from his wife in the crowd that she had received the money.

So there probably is a disturbing, and as yet unrevealed, Plan B in this new Jenkins GWH agenda.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Denver, Colorado, August 25, 2009 – A new poll finds that although 79% of respondents are in favor of the policy known as a “public option” when it's included in a list of possible healthcare reforms, just 37% are able to correctly identify the much-discussed proposal from a list of possible definitions."

I wonder if I'd be able to. Got a link?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"Denver, Colorado, August 25, 2009 – A new poll finds that although 79% of respondents are in favor of the policy known as a “public option” when it's included in a list of possible healthcare reforms, just 37% are able to correctly identify the much-discussed proposal from a list of possible definitions.
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The research, which was conducted by Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates (PSB) and released exclusively at a health care forum featuring the National Journal's Charlie Cook and underwritten by the AARP, PSB, and Burson-Marsteller, also revealed that 26% of Americans believe that the “public option” refers to the creation of a Great Britain-style national health care system.
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A new survey commissioned by the AARP conducted by Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates asks respondents to what degree they support or oppose "[s]tarting a new federal health insurance plan that individuals could purchase if they can't afford private plans offered to them" -- a public option, in other words. The results are interesting, though not necessarily surprising to those who have been closely following the debate.
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All: 79 percent favor/18 percent oppose
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Democrats: 89 percent favor/8 percent oppose
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Republicans: 61 percent favor/33 percent oppose
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Independents: 80 percent favor/16 percent oppose"

Posted by: leichtman | August 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Not even funny, scrivener, just tiresome. If you really believe this nonsense, assuming it isn't just a joke extended miles past its prime, you really should get yourself a shrink.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

far better cinema verti is the '80's Monty Python movie "Brazil". A Dark comedy about torture and terrorism.

==

"Brazil" was by Terry Gilliam.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Crazy thing is that I spent a good amount of time this morning trying to wrack my brain to come up with some non-racist meaning to GWH. Somehow even after growing up in DC, I still have some non-cynical bones left in me. I just couldn't believe she would just say something out loud like that.

==

Maybe we'll get another "GOP resurgence" column with some happy talk about how moderates are gaining strength in the party.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse


PERSONAL TO: broadwayjoe @ 9:14 a.m.

No laughs left. Do you remember the '50s movie, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"? The guy knew the truth but no one would listen -- until the final scene. Or the Will Smith character in 1998's "Enemy of the State." If that happens only in the movies, we are all in imminent danger.

Only the good people on the inside can save America from this satcom/microwave/laser/acoustic wand Gestapo. The mainstream media has been repopulated with pod people, as has Congress, with the exception of rarities such as Kucinich and Jim Guest.

Oh, the naivete. Who was it who said those on the extreme right are the Morlocks and those in the middle and on the left are the Eloi?

Every Constitution-abiding federal agent (and I believe there are many) should go rent "Enemy of the State," because it foreshadowed where we are now (except that today's satellites and telecommunications are far more advanced and menacing to humankind).
====================================

far better cinema verti is the '80's Monty Python movie "Brazil". A Dark comedy about torture and terrorism.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 27, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

5th U.S. Congressional Seat

Posted by: edtroyhampton | August 27, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWD: Maybe she didn't think of "white" as skin color, but instead thought it was like saying "great shining hope". I'd always assumed that the phrase had a non-racial meaning, and was surprised to find today that it didn't."

Yeah, I was thinking of that too. I knew it was a racially charged boxing phrase, but I thought perhaps there was something else.

That's just a bizarre thing for an elected official to say in public.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

A "Great White" is a shark. Hmm...I'm envisioning a scene setting the RNC on a beach...(cue theme from "Jaws.")

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

((((Come on, scrivener, even if this really were more than psychotic paranoia, it's still the same post over and over and over and over. It's blog clog. Quit it.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse))))


TO: (alias) operative "GoldAndTanzanite" @1:02 p.m.
FROM: Team Leader
RE: Lame Psy Op
cc: IG/Office of DNI


Accusing our targets of the very tactics we use against them is standard M.O.

However, when the intent is conveyed to target in such a transparent manner as captioned, effectiveness is greatly diminished.

Your posting exposes our methods and tactics, which is the opposite of the desired outcome.

This is not statecraft. You are classified as a repeat offender in this regard.

Your personnel file has been so noted.

Have a great day.

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 27, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD: Maybe she didn't think of "white" as skin color, but instead thought it was like saying "great shining hope". I'd always assumed that the phrase had a non-racial meaning, and was surprised to find today that it didn't.

mascmen7: When Romney left office in 2006, he was highly unpopular in Massachusetts. His recent Presidential run as a hard-right conservative hasn't helped. He'd be destroyed in a Senate race.

Posted by: Blarg | August 27, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Crazy thing is that I spent a good amount of time this morning trying to wrack my brain to come up with some non-racist meaning to GWH. Somehow even after growing up in DC, I still have some non-cynical bones left in me. I just couldn't believe she would just say something out loud like that.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The historic context for the "Great White Hope" reference as provided by a KC Star blogger:

"The real meaning of the phrase
Submitted by beejcardin on August 27, 2009 - 10:34am.
Dan, you're an id_ot whose own investigative skills are obviously lacking. And your understanding of the phrase is about as pathetic as Lynn Jenkins'.

In the early 1900's segregation and prejudice in American society created the demand for a "great white hope" - a white boxer who could defeat world heavyweight champion and African-American Jack Johnson.

The phrase reflects the pure racism of an era in which Johnson's achievements so angered whites that there was concern filmed scenes of Johnson beating white boxers would cause race riots. Congress actually passed a law to prevent such film from being transported across state lines.

It's pretty clear exactly what Jenkins meant: the GOP needs a white man to defeat President Obama because conservatism is about white people. I mean, we all know that minorities always vote liberal, right?"
__________

You have to understand this "GWH" phrase is as powerful a term of art in the supremacist community as the Jefferson quote that gun-toting lunatic wore on his T-shirt at the BHO rally recently. It is serious business.
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BTW, a total must read: Ron Kessler's "In the President's Secret Service." It had sold out at our local bookstore, but they just restocked it.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Great catch, d, pre usual.

HuffPo recently reported the GOP planned to double down on its Southern Strategy, but of course the idea is to use code words and proxy issues (e.g., birthers, tea bags, Gates-gate, health care thuggery) to get its racist point across.

But Jenkins's screed ain't any code word. It's direct and it's sickening.

To piggy back on your excellent catch:

"Thu Aug 27, 9:33 am ET
TOPEKA, Kan. – U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins told a recent gathering in northeast Kansas that the Republican Party is looking for a "great white hope" to help stop the political agenda of the Democratic party and President Barack Obama.

Videotape shows Jenkins, a Republican, making the comment at an Aug. 19 forum. She was discussing the Republican party's future after Democrats took control of the House and Senate in the 2008 elections, when the presidency went to Obama, the nation's first black president.

A Jenkins spokeswoman told The Topeka Capital-Journal Wednesday that Jenkins apologized for her word choice and did not intend to offend anyone.

Kenny Johnston, of the Kansas Democratic Party, says Jenkins' statement was regrettable and that she should stick to discussing solutions."

Love the non-apology apology at the end.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090827/ap_on_re_us/us_jenkins__great_white_hope

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Come on, scrivener, even if this really were more than psychotic paranoia, it's still the same post over and over and over and over. It's blog clog. Quit it.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

They didn't trust the voter to pick their own candidate they threw out Fl and Mi votes and for that I will never forget what they really feel for the voter. Contempt.

==

You're about 25 IQ points too low to pull off the Yusta Bee troll.

As for contempt for voters, count me in. In 2004 many tens of millions of voters signed off on torture.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 27, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

PERSONAL TO: broadwayjoe @ 9:14 a.m.

No laughs left. Do you remember the '50s movie, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"? The guy knew the truth but no one would listen -- until the final scene. Or the Will Smith character in 1998's "Enemy of the State." If that happens only in the movies, we are all in imminent danger.

Only the good people on the inside can save America from this satcom/microwave/laser/acoustic wand Gestapo. The mainstream media has been repopulated with pod people, as has Congress, with the exception of rarities such as Kucinich and Jim Guest.

Oh, the naivete. Who was it who said those on the extreme right are the Morlocks and those in the middle and on the left are the Eloi?

Every Constitution-abiding federal agent (and I believe there are many) should go rent "Enemy of the State," because it foreshadowed where we are now (except that today's satellites and telecommunications are far more advanced and menacing to humankind).

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "Zap. Have You Been Targeted By a Directed Energy Weapon?"

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 27, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm not from Mass, so I don't get a vote on this one. If the people of Mass want another Senator before January, then that's between them and their state legislature.

I understand Kennedy's concern, his sense of leaving unfinished business, and wanting to get health care passed as soon as possible. Thanks, Ted, but we'll let the other 99 step up for now.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 27, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Is it too late to cancel Tarp and the Stimulus bills?

Posted by: Bubbette1 | August 26, 2009 5:14 PM "
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Stimulus Helping the Economy Budget Experts Say:
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUSTRE57O5V720090825

Ask your hero Bush and Paulson about TARP

Posted by: JRM2 | August 27, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Passing a law for a seat warmer for Kennedy's seat is not likely to happen unless a consensus develops as to who will warm the seat. Gov Patrick has wrecked the Dem advantage for Governor so Mass will elect a Republican governor in 2010. Mass politicics is very tribal and ethnic so there is no unity. Irish have the advantage. Romney may win if he runs for the Senate.

Posted by: mascmen7 | August 27, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

PRESIDENT OBAMA, CONGRESS: HONOR TEDDY COMPLETELY...

Pass meaningful health care reform, and...

BAN microwave / laser "directed energy weapons" use (read: TORTURE / slow-kill homicide) on American citizens, including political leaders...

...and BAN warrantless GPS tracking/surveillance of unjustly targeted Americans...

...the electronic backbone of a Bush-Cheney spawned American Gestapo that is now operating on YOUR watch.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA." (Note: my pages apparently have been hacked and you may have to search for the article in the "stories" list.)

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 27, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Sarah Palin is also white.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

This says it all about republicans... 'the great white hope"

"At a town hall forum last week, Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-KS) offered encouragement to conservative activists by saying there were some “really sharp” young Republicans in the House. “Republicans are struggling right now to find the great white hope,” said Jenkins.

“I suggest to any of you who are concerned about that, who are Republican, there are some great young Republican minds in Washington.” Jenkins proceeded to name three GOP members of Congress who are all white — Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)."

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"These 'concern trolls' make me laugh out loud. Get a life, jerk. Please don't insult us by pretending you were ever a Democrat. You have "always voted Democrat"? Puhleeeze. Liar, liar.

Posted by: drindl "

Given what that person said about FL and MI, it might be a PUMA person. Yeah, I thought they went extinct too, but there are still a few left. A random person added me on facebook recently who apparently is a PUMA and posts status messages you'd find on a right wing site. The whole thing is made weird by the fact that she seems to agree with the idea of universal health care although insists that the whole concept is Hillary's idea. (funny, I thought other countries had it before Hillary even became first lady)

Posted by: DDAWD | August 27, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Before you start jabbering away about it I am a registered Democrat that has always voted Democrat in the past but the primary season of the 08 campaign opened my eyes to what the Democrats really want."

These 'concern trolls' make me laugh out loud. Get a life, jerk. Please don't insult us by pretending you were ever a Democrat. You have "always voted Democrat"? Puhleeeze. Liar, liar.

Posted by: drindl | August 27, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing how many people don't understand the proposed change to Massachusetts law. (Well, it would be amazing if I thought these people had any desire to actually understand it, and weren't just trying to insult Ted Kennedy and Massachusetts.)

If no change is made to the law, there will be a special election for Kennedy's seat in January, with a primary in December. If the law is changed, the governor can make a temporary appointment UNTIL the special election. This doesn't take any power away from the voters; it just guarantees representation until the special election is held. Get it?

Posted by: Blarg | August 27, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I just love how this came back to bite the Democrats in the butt. When they were running Kerry for President they wanted to let the voters decide on his seat if he were to be elected because there was a Republican Govenor, Mitt Romney. Now they can't let the good people of Massachusetts decide on this seat because it will take to long. Well sorry folks but I think you did the right thing the first time in letting the voters decide on who their next Senator should be. Of course they may not elect the one that you wish to annoint with the position. Before you start jabbering away about it I am a registered Democrat that has always voted Democrat in the past but the primary season of the 08 campaign opened my eyes to what the Democrats really want. Power & Money. They didn't trust the voter to pick their own candidate they threw out Fl and Mi votes and for that I will never forget what they really feel for the voter. Contempt.

Posted by: flcraker | August 27, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Keep on, keeping on, s50. You may well have the last laugh.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

MORE EVIDENCE THAT U.S. MILITARY/SECURITY/INTEL AGENCIES USE WARRANTLESS SURVEILLANCE BY REGIONAL 'FUSION CENTERS' AS A PRETEXT TO HARASS AND CENSOR U.S. CITIZENS VIA TELECOMMUNICATIONS...

...AND THAT THE BUREAUCRACY APPEARS TO DEFY OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DIRECTIVES TO HALT UNCONSTITUTIONAL ROGUE BEHAVIOR.

The evidence... link to this ACLU "Freedom Blog" comments thread and read from the bottom up:

http://blog.aclu.org/2009/01/26/internet-filters-voluntary-ok-not-government-mandate

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 27, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

>>That's it....change the subject when you are getting smoked. CLASSIC!!

No most of us are not bitter people that get hung up on a death that happened over 40 years ago now. Regardless of what the law did or didn't do we're a country ruled by it. Since there were no charges further than fleeing the scene of the accident most people that respect the rule of law in this country have let it go. Even if they don't agree with it.

Posted by: mtcooley | August 27, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

"O for the days of Lyndon Johnson. ... Whats so difficult about that. You got the votes, pass the darn bill!!!

Posted by: Opa2 | August 27, 2009 2:33 AM"
___________
Co-sign.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 27, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

O for the days of Lyndon Johnson. He may have been an SOB but boy he knew how to get things done. If not for the Medicare bills passed during his term where would us old timers be? In my 64th year I had to pay $600 a month for my wife and myself to Blue Cross Blue Shield. And that's 12 years ago! LBJ would pick up the phone and call a reticent Senator and bluntly tell him " Are you voting for this bill or do you want a well financed primary opponent next year and me campaigning for him." That got things done! O how I wish we had a President like him right now. We would not be struggling to pass a watered down medical reform bill. Now with Teddy gone, things will be even more difficult unless BHO starts doing what the country wants him to do and not worry so much about what the republicans want him to do. You have the votes, pass the darn bill! Make it illegal not to have health insurance. Give people until New Year to buy their own insurance or they will be enrolled in Medicare and charged a certain percentage of their gross income to be added to their tax bill next April 15th to pay for it. Argue about the percentages, that's all. Whats so difficult about that. You got the votes, pass the darn bill!!!

Posted by: Opa2 | August 27, 2009 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh, good. Now the blog has a couple of cave trolls on the left.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 27, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

WHAT IS BEHIND AN EPIDEMIC OF 'PBD' -- POLITICAL BRAIN DISEASE?

CONGRESS: PROBE TO DETERMINE WHETHER POLITICAL LEADERS HAVE BEEN TARGETED BY MICROWAVE / LASER 'DIRECTED ENERGY' TECHNOLOGIES AND WEAPONS SYSTEMS.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

http://nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener
RE: "Zap. Have You Been Targeted by a Directed Energy Weapon?"

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 26, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

yea... he seems like a cub reporter who more senior WaPo folks feed bits and berries. He get's to go to pressers, play dumb and take notes. But no authority in the voice, like a Judith Miller without the whine. Maybe he gets his off campus leads from the Murdoch Group. I've seen a lot of Wall Street Journal synergy lately. Well, I best go enjoy the comfort of my sea monkey family before the WaPo censors get a bead on my undisclosed location.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 26, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

@dog: I think he got exposed a bit recently with the five or six "Palin in 2012" posts, multiple "GOP comeback" shoutouts, Drudge-like cherry picked "polls" and the "Hillary is a _____" reference. And never any positive mention of BHO, not that I've seen.

But it's his sandbox so he's entitled. No prob. here with that. My only issue is: if that's your agenda, call it out and own it just as Rush and Hannity do. But seriously, no progressive blog has ever given a shout out to Chip (Barack the Magic N_gro CD) Salsman, have they? :)

Not criticizin', just sayin'.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 26, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"Get over it" A life was taken by a drunk driver. Her family I'm sure has not gotten over it.

Posted by: jcshouses | August 26, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Notice Cazilla makes no mention of the two (2) Independents. Sometimes I wonder what angle is this guy going for. I'm guessing if you are from Texas, you have to be for Bush. Shame though. It really would be nice to have a blog post for political information that did not try to, I don't know what the term would be for leaving out pertinent information. Like who is he trying to buck up? Anyway, just 1 of dozens of RSS feeds, and soon he will be in a category called Fox Lite or a Limbonean... definitely slants right though.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 26, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I actually re-worked the Hillarean thing recently to engage the Townhall Terrorists. I think I worked in Teabag sweat and astroturds instead of pantsuit juice. It seemed to greatly upset them and it was quickly taken down.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 26, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

my favorite was Palin's solution to global warming... to nuke the sun.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 26, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

My favorite Palin quote was that one (1) line about the environment in that drill baby drill "Op-Ed" it did a few weeks ago. Something about "we can solve any environmental concerns," yeah, really fleshed-out detailed addressing of the issue.

My favorite McCain quote: "as he sinks in the polls, he'll try to destroy her"

heh heh heh

Like Palin needed any help with THAT

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

yeswiican....

I so apologize to you for my seeming argument with your facts earlier.

I kept posting and it would give me a "post later" message, so I'd post again --- this board goes UP, instead of DOWN like the others on WaPo-the-mothership.

I was aware that the cloture rule had somehow replaced the actual filibuster, but I heard Chris Matthews make a comment a few days ago to "just let them filibuster..." -- I guess I wishfully thought it could still be done.

I know Congress makes their rules, but knowing that doesn't make me like it.

More and more these parliamentary procedure bits and pieces seem to take the REAL RULE from the hands of the people, and that stinks with no regards to Republican or Democrat --- just "ruling class" and "doofases they need to get there and then abandon"....

Health care reform is imperative and the political games working against it STINK.

Period.

Posted by: veracity99 | August 26, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Great quotes:
Kennedy: "The dream continues..."
Churchill: "This was their finest hour."
Farragut: "Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead."
Lincoln: "Four score and seven years ago..."
Truman: "The buck stops here."
BHO: "Audacity of Hope."
Palin: "Where's the ladies' room?"
McCain: "###$XXX!####&&$%%%!"

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 26, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

In Fix-related news Governor Mark Sanford is resisting calls from his Lieutenant Governor to step down.

The wifey bailed a few weeks ago.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"magizines"

wow

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

To: Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al
Re: Kennedy's death & Health Care Debacle

Well you might be deaf
Or you might be blind
Should put the message
Right in your mind
Might look like a plan
Or a coalition
Or it might be God trying to get your attention

Maybe its just news
On your television
Or it might be God trying to get your attention

(Thanks to Keb' Mo')

Posted by: j9zig1 | August 26, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

it is subtle but the patina of its rant reveals clearly that it has been licking the lead out of hollow points.

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Only in the brief intervals when he removes his lips from Rush's little star

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

they closed down all the other comment threads on Kennedy. The repug trolls flooded in and arranged themselves in an Iraqi prisoner circle jerk. I'm guessing after a scandal a week since the election having a 40 year old scandal is about all they got.

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Ever noticed how the gooper trolls, included he whom we ignore, are **always** trying to shape perceptions? It seems compulsive for them.

And it doesn't work anymore, not here, not nationally. All they do is torque themselves up now, and it doesn't "take" with anyone else.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

its utterly hilarious to listen to neocons now squirm when the term nuclear option is thrown out. I wrote my 2 R Senators back in 2005 and begged them to make my day when they ranted they wanted an up or down vote. I told them that they would rue the day they went nuclear and made it clear that there were no do overs once they had their way and were no longer in control. DeLay laughed that would never happen they would control Congress forever. I am going to do some research this weekend and find all of the right wing screaming posts demanding an Up or Down vote. The Ds were absolutely wrong in denying Senator Frist in 2005 his wish to do away with the filibuster. Certainly they would now be screaming how democracy now demands that the nuclear option be repealed now that they are in the minority. Answer: No do overs.

Posted by: leichtman | August 26, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

@dog: any more word on the exile of the Hillarians? Your take on that last year has to sit in the Smithsonian. Update please.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 26, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

they closed down all the other comment threads on Kennedy. The repug trolls flooded in and arranged themselves in an Iraqi prisoner circle jerk. I'm guessing after a scandal a week since the election having a 40 year old scandal is about all they got.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 26, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Moonflower was another of those boilerroom girls in the Kennedy campaigns in '64. Hence, Moonchild64.
Transplacental acid can do some damage.

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Judging by his writing I think we'll seeing the result of fetal alcohol, or maybe paint chips.

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it is subtle but the patina of its rant reveals clearly that it has been licking the lead out of hollow points.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 26, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

GoldAndTanzanite isn't it about time to roll out your rug and submit to some more head-banging. I bet if they lifted your burqa it would expose a tatto of pelosi along with your hidden porn magizines.

Posted by: JWx2 | August 26, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Kennedy's sad departure will either help, or not affect at all, the passage of health care reform.

A lot of Senators will want to "pass it for Ted." In any event, it is my understanding that Reid will try to move this as part of the reconciliation bill which requires only a majority vote.

The better approach, though, IMO, is to get rid of the filibuster (a product of the Dixiecrat 1950s and 60s), which Reid can do by a majority vote to change the Senate rules, the so-called "nuclear option" that the GOP endlessly threatened in the last Congress.
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How far can Rush's hate and bigotry go? Who knows.

Rush congratulated himself on predicting Kennedy would die before the health care bill passed.

Full story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/26/limbaugh-congratulates-hi_n_269711.html
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Finally, a fix for Fix: Palin in 2012! There you go, CC.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 26, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

GoldAndTanzanite you must be upset that your welfare check is late and ACORN didn't deliver your 5 lb block of government cheese.

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Barn's over there, champ

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Yes, GoldAndTanzanite / chrisfox8, this is me "going nuts" and posting too much (I believe you falsely claimed "at least 30% of the comments in every section"):

Thread Count

yeswiican -- 18
GoldAndTanzanite / chrisfox8 -- 15
JakeD -- 10 (11, including this post)

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

""Get over it"? Yeah...I'm sure that worked for Mary Jo Kopechne's family real well."

Quick. Tell me something about her or her family not related to Ted Kennedy.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 26, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

He really doesn't get it? You may be right about fetal alcohol, G&T.

Moonchild64 sounds like someone born to a hippy in 1964 to me. Ask your mother who Moonflower is.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

GoldAndTanzanite you must be upset that your welfare check is late and ACORN didn't deliver your 5 lb block of government cheese. Why are you concerned about Health-Care...you're just another 'natural selection' waiting for it to do its thing...you just need someone who wants to take time out from watching cartoons to volunteer to kick some dirt over you so the worms will have a meal.

Posted by: JWx2 | August 26, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Well.............the Libs are now name-calling and changing the subject so I guess my work is done here.

The facts prevail yet again.

Buh-bye Libs and your fallen hero, Teddy, Buh-bye..

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama appeared cold and lacking in feeling as he spoke of his "friend" Sen. Ted Kennedy's passing today in comparison to Biden who seemed genuinely upset. Obama didn't appear to be "heartbroken". Strange and interesting.

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Obama is a calm and collected guy.

If you like hysteria you must have loved Bush.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Senator Kennedy, for blocking the confirmation of Robert Bork as a Supreme Court justice. We will never forget your act of courage and principle in 1987. You saved us all from "Robert Bork's America."

From wikipedia:

"Within 45 minutes of Bork's nomination to the Court, Ted Kennedy took to the Senate floor with a strong condemnation of Bork in a nationally televised speech, declaring:

"Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is -- and is often the only -- protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy... President Reagan is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out from the muck of Irangate, reach into the muck of Watergate and impose his reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 26, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's death will unleash a quarter-century of pent-up political ambition among Democrats for Massachusetts's first open Senate seat since 1984.

OMG...the comedy channels will be taken off the air just to watch these morons bring out the dirt against each other. Sarah Palin will be laughing so hard along with the rest of the Republican and Independents....its going to be like watching news from Iraq and the sectarian violence.

Posted by: JWx2 | August 26, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT - until they shut down the JakeD, Chris [Cillizza] connection.

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Naaah, just join the rest of us in ignoring him. He goes nuts when he doesn't get responses and it's a kick to watch him get more and more desperate to get someone to answer.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Again I ask, who the heck is "moonflower"? Are you Libs functionally illiterate or what?

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Moonflower was another of those boilerroom girls in the Kennedy campaigns in '64. Hence, Moonchild64.
Transplacental acid can do some damage.

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Judging by his writing I think we'll seeing the result of fetal alcohol, or maybe paint chips.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Teddy can meet up with Mary Jo and tell her why waited 10 hrs. to call police.

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Other than waiting ten hours, what did Kennedy do wrong?

I speak as one who called him "pond scum" over Kopechne back when it happened. But hey it was 40 years ago. He suffered for it ever since, he felt shamed, what, you'd feel better if he'd slit his wrists?

Get over it.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT - until they shut down the JakeD, Chris Cazilla connection.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 26, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Unchecked power is a dangerous thing. It does not matter who the party in power is.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Obama doesn't appear to be "mourning" the loss of his "friend" and major endorser. Weird. As reported on ABC Obama "continues his vacation today, going out for lunch and posing for photos". Huh?

Obama appeared cold and lacking in feeling as he spoke of his "friend" Sen. Ted Kennedy's passing today in comparison to Biden who seemed genuinely upset. Obama didn't appear to be "heartbroken". Strange and interesting.

Teddy made a huge mistake in betraying the brilliant Clintons for the unqualified Obama. Teddy's judgment was not always the best...

RIP Teddy. Thank you for a lifetime of public service. I was a Kennedy volunteer in the 1980 Kennedy Presidential campaing. It was audacious for Ted to try to take down a sitting President of his OWN party in 1980 and lead to Pres. Carter's eventual defeat to Reagan. Wow. Ted accomplished many good things but did many bad things as well. The same notorious womanizer and boozer Teddy helped bring us Title 9, ADA, and SCHIP and No Child Left Behind with Bush. He was a man of contradictions personally and professionally.

Teddy lived a life of privledge and tragedy on a scale most of us will never experience.

May God forgive him his sins and Bless Him for his good works. May God rest his soul.

Condolences to his family
and may their beautiful Catholic faith sustain them in this time of great sorrow. Peace, all.

Posted by: TAH1 | August 26, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Moonflower was another of those boilerroom girls in the Kennedy campaigns in '64. Hence, Moonchild64.
Transplacental acid can do some damage.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

moonchild64:

"GoldAndTanzanite" used to post here as "chrisfox8" but was BANNED by WaPo -- only a matter of time before his new persona is banned as well -- like I said, it's no use trying to reason with them.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

You write like a ninth grader.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite
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What a coincidence, didn't Ted Kennedy once date a 9th grader? 8-)

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Do we have a drudge link to here again? Who are these bedwetters polluting the blog today?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

When the MADD-lobbied definition of "drunk driving" becomes ONE (1) beer, as it is here in AZ, "drunk-driving" should be lumped in w/ duma@$$ driving, i.e., cellphone/driving, texting/driving, makeup/driving, teenager/driving, etc.

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Works for me. You drink, you stay the fück out from behind the wheel, full stop.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Who the heck is "moonflower"?

And I'm the one "on acid"? 8-)

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

That's it....change the subject when you are getting smoked. CLASSIC!!

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Typical conservative troll, claiming victory.

You write like a ninth grader.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

MADD is the most insidious, manipulative money-grubbing organization out there, second maybe to tobacco and anti-tobacco organizations. Oh, your brother/sister/parent/child died from a drunk driver?? You must be right about everything then, Captain Morality. When the MADD-lobbied definition of "drunk driving" becomes ONE (1) beer, as it is here in AZ, "drunk-driving" should be lumped in w/ duma@$$ driving, i.e., cellphone/driving, texting/driving, makeup/driving, teenager/driving, etc. Did you know you can be charged with a felony for being UNDER the legal limit, but having a child under 15 in the vehicle? While a lot of grade-A A-holes who truely deserve it are being locked up for our collective safety, we're throwing the book at many more who don't.

Posted by: Terrorfied | August 26, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Well you seem to have gotten over being lied into a needless war, and I doubt it's worked out too well for the 4500 dead soldiers, to say nothing of the tens of thousands of maimed and unminded. -GoldAndTanzanite
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That's it....change the subject when you are getting smoked. CLASSIC!!

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

The dems are not in any kind of a pickle. The reality is that 60 Dems isn't any kind of magical number. See CC above. If they can't get the girls from Maine to vote for cloture, then they can push it through in reconciliation. And/or come back in February and push it through with the new junior Democratic Senator from Massachusetts.

I get it. Moonflower was doing acid in '64, and you've got to take out your frustration on someone. Why Kennedy?

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

@ YESWIICAN:

Until 2004, Massachusetts had a law allowing the governor to appoint a Senator to hold a vacant seat until the next regular election. In that year, faced with the possibility Senator John Kerry succeeding in his bid for the presidency, the Democratic legislature balked at the idea of an appointment being made to fill his seat by then-GOP Governor Mitt Romney. When the legislature hesitated to pass such a blatantly self-serving bill....

***Senator Kennedy made two direct appeals to the state senate's president to revive the stalled bill, including a phone call to his home over a weekend. The Boston Globe reported in June 2004 that "prodded by a personal appeal. . . . Democratic legislative leaders agreed to take up [the] stalled bill" and eventually passed a law creating the special election process and taking away the governor's right to make a temporary appointment.***

Governor Romney vetoed the measure but was overidden by huge Democratic majorities in the legislature.

The Boston Globe now notes Mr. Kennedy's current request "puts lawmakers in a delicate position." They "are nervous about being accused of engineering a self-serving change to help their party" just a few years after ramming through a similar self-serving change.
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Like I said, "HIS TOY". 8-)

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"Get over it"? Yeah...I'm sure that worked for Mary Jo Kopechne's family real well.

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Well you seem to have gotten over being lied into a needless war, and I doubt it's worked out too well for the 4500 dead soldiers, to say nothing of the tens of thousands of maimed and unminded.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Jakey3, it's three-fifths of all senators to sustain a cloture motion. 59/99 is less than 60% --no rounding.

No one here has advocated the nuclear option.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that post about Biden's hypocrisy. Just think, before Google, the Dems actually got away with this crap.

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Teddy can meet up with Mary Jo and tell her why waited 10 hrs. to call police.
Vote for term limits.

Posted by: jcshouses | August 26, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

He wanted that work to continue in the next 5 months. What is wrong with that?
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Then he should have kept his "Chivas Regal Hole" closed back in 2004 instead of working to strip Gov. Romney of his legal appointment powers which is the reason the Dems are in this pickle in the first place.

Get it yet?

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

(Then-Senator) Biden, cont.

"The nuclear option makes a mockery of the Senate rules. You’ll notice that when the nuclear option is triggered, the Presiding Officer will refuse to seek the advice of the Parliamentarian, his own expert. He won’t ask because he doesn’t want to hear the answer.

Isn’t that what’s really going on here? The majority doesn’t want to hear what others have to say, even if it’s the truth. Well, as Senator Moynihan used to say, “You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts."

The nuclear option abandons our American sense of fair play. If there is one thing this country stands for it’s fair play–not tilting the playing field in favor of one side or the other, not changing the rules unilaterally.

We play by the rules, and win or lose by the rules. That is a quintessentially American trait, and it is eviscerated by the “nuclear option."

The Senate stands at the precipice of a truly historic mistake. We are about to act on a matter that will influence our country’s history for the foreseeable future.

We are only the Senate’s temporary custodians–our careers in the Senate will one day end–but the Senate will go on. Over the course of the next hours and days, we must be Senators first, and Republicans and Democrats second.

We must think of the rights and liberties of the American people, not just for today but for the rest of our lives.

Again, ask yourself why is this extreme change being put forward over 7 out of 218 federal judges?

As I said earlier, history will judge this Republican Majority harshly if it succeeds in changing the way the Founders intended the Senate to behave, emasculating it into a parliament governed by a single party’s ideology and unable to be thrown out be a vote of no-confidence."

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Most ironically, while Senator, (Acting) President Joseph ROBINETTE Biden was one of the most vocal critics of Sen. Bill Frist's plans to employ the so-called "nuclear option" to end Democrats' use of the filibuster to block President Bush's judicial nominees in 2005. He (and Dems below) would gladly go nuclear now though.

For posterity's sake:

"I have not been here as long as Senator Byrd, and no one fully understands the Senate as well as Senator Byrd, but I have been here for over three decades. This is the single most significant vote any one of us will cast in my 32 years in the Senate. I suspect the Senator would agree with that.

We should make no mistake. This nuclear option is ultimately an example of the arrogance of power. It is a fundamental power grab by the majority party, propelled by its extreme right and designed to change the reading of the Constitution, particularly as it relates to individual rights and property rights. It is nothing more or nothing less. Let me take a few moments to explain that.

Folks who want to see this change want to eliminate one of the procedural mechanisms designed for the express purpose of guaranteeing individual rights, and they also have a consequence, and would undermine the protections of a minority point of view in the heat of majority excess. We have been through these periods before in American history but never, to the best of my knowledge, has any party been so bold as to fundamentally attempt to change the structure of this body.

Why else would the majority party attempt one of the most fundamental changes in the 216-year history of this Senate on the grounds that they are being denied ten of 218 Federal judges, three of whom have stepped down? What shortsightedness, and what a price history will exact on those who support this radical move.

It is important we state frankly, if for no other reason than the historical record, why this is being done. The extreme right of the Republican Party is attempting to hijack the Federal courts by emasculating the courts’ independence and changing one of the unique foundations of the Senate; that is, the requirement for the protection of the right of individual Senators to guarantee the independence of the Federal Judiciary.

This is being done in the name of fairness? Quite frankly, it is the ultimate act of unfairness to alter the unique responsibility of the Senate and to do so by breaking the very rules of the Senate."

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The legacy of ted kennedy: Chappaquidick, today kennedy would have gone to prison

Posted by: jay1900 | August 26, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Ted Kennedy was a saint. I've had a family member killed by a drunk driver--he didn't get arrested either. And laws are tougher now than they were in 1969.

But from at least 1981 on, Ted did a very good job as a US Senator. He wanted that work to continue in the next 5 months. What is wrong with that?

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

RIP Lion of the Senate.

But in all cynical reality, this news doesn't make a difference. One less Senator doesn't mitigate the Democrats' profound ability to crower in fear of imagined Konservative boogeymen, or to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at every opportunity. They will never conquer the corporate overlords who stymie their every progressive move and bend the entire "democratic process" over the kitchen table on a nightly basis. The only difference between the parties is that the Dems. fight it like a drunk sorority girl at a date-dash, while the GOP fakes orgasms and asks for more.

Posted by: Terrorfied | August 26, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

As to Harvard, he wasn't "flunked out" he was expelled for cheating on a freshman Spanish exam.
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So he was even SCUMMIER than I thought, thanks for that correction.

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

In 1969 he probably was drunk. You try losing all 3 of your brothers before their time and see how you handle it. It was 40 years ago. Get over it. - yeswiican
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"Get over it"? Yeah...I'm sure that worked for Mary Jo Kopechne's family real well.

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

What a stroke of luck for Obama...now that Sarah Palin has quit office, hurricanes are turning into tropical storms and Al Franken is in the Senate, there wasn't much to put the blame on for his complete failure to take action. But, with Kennedy gone, he expects to have another 5 months of waffle room.

Obama, the Silicon President...slippery as oil...

Posted by: jabailo | August 26, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I agree it was partisan. No doubt about that. The voters elected Romney, yes. And if he had replaced Democrat Kerry with a Republican, would that have been partisan? After all, they'd elected a Democratic Senator.

They also elected their state legislature, who in their wisdom changed the law in 2004. That Kerry and Kennedy were for it was no surprise. I don't know how you get from "advocate" to "strong-arm" and "toy."

As to Harvard, he wasn't "flunked out" he was expelled for cheating on a freshman Spanish exam. He was 18; get over it.

In 1969 he probably was drunk. You try losing all 3 of your brothers before their time and see how you handle it. It was 40 years ago. Get over it.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

moonchild64:

It's no use trying to reason with them. Hypocrisy comes as second nature (witness their calls for the "nuclear option" too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

As the Mass legislature was democratic-controlled, their own constituents would have crucified them for not acting to prevent a Romney appointment. - yesswiican
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Uhhh, those "constituents" you speak of ELECTED MITT ROMNEY AS GOVERNOR so why would they be mad if he appointed a TEMPORARY Senator? You are a waste of good oxygen.

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

He wasn't a saint, but neither am I. I respect his long service to his country, his good intentions, and his humanity.

I think one of the things we miss when we lose long-serving statesmen is the benefit of the working relationships they form over their careers. Those relationships enable them to see others with different views as well intentioned people with different information, different values, or different perspectives, but few of them despise one another.

It seems there are some people who have posted here who might benefit from that perspective as well.

There can be civility in civics.

Posted by: ncooty | August 26, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Do Senate rules still require 60 votes to stop a filibuster, or is it 60 percent of the membership. My calculator says 60 percent of 99 is 59.4; would that be rounded down to 59?

Posted by: Jakey3 | August 26, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

As the Mass legislature was democratic-controlled, their own constituents would have crucified them for not acting to prevent a Romney appointment. - yesswiican
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Uhhh, those "constituents" you speak of ELECTED MITT ROMNEY AS GOVERNOR, geez.

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Face it "yeswiican", the only reason the Dems and Kennedy favored stripping the Gov. of the power to appoint is because Romney was the Governor (legally elected by those same constituents of Kennedy BTW). Now that Patrick is the Governor, Kennedy is all for the Governor appointing a successor. If you cannot see how pathetically partisan, petty and devoid of all principle that is, you couldn't think your way out of a wet paper bag.

Face it, he was scum when he flunked out of Harvard for cheating, when he killed Mary Jo while drunk, and when he treated the Mass legislature like it was his personal Democrat "toy" 8-)

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

What about Sen. Harkin to take HELP chair? HELP is a more plum assignment than Ag. Why not even mention this? Further, Harkin is chair of the Sen Approps Labor Subcomm.

Posted by: dc25 | August 26, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say he didn't advocate it. He'd be stupid not to. Your reference says he didn't have a position on the exact and only thing he was asking for before his death--an interim appointment by the governor until the special election.

As the Mass legislature was democratic-controlled, their own constituents would have crucified them for not acting to prevent a Romney appointment. You can say that's party first, state second, America third, but in the view of the majority of Massachusetts voters, there was no conflict.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

My guess is they thought it would be better for Mass. to have 2 Dem senators than one appointed by Romney. Why would it require Kennedy's input? Posted by: yeswiican
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Sorry, but your GUESS is WRONG. Kennedy pressured the Mass Legislature to change the law back in 2004 and now he is being "hoisted on his own partisan petard".

Go educate yourself:

""The 2004 revision made a special election the way to fill a vacant seat, a change Kennedy advocated. At the time, lawmakers rejected a GOP amendment to allow the governor to make an interim appointment during that election. It’s unclear whether Kennedy had a position on that issue.""

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/08/21/who_should_fill_kennedys_seat/

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about Teddy or anyone else that passes on, however, he and his family have a long history of adultery, lying, cheating, stealing, etc. to get to where they are. Did I mention Wrongful Death? The Kennedy Family ought to give the American people a break and sit back and do what they do best......nothing.

Posted by: cme4cbl | August 26, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

@moonchild64:

Funny how everybody was complaining about gubernatorial appointments, how it subverted the will of the people, and now here is a state that is "doing it right" and you claim it's not in their interest.

Kennedy was not in the Mass legislature--they were free to do their will in 2004. My guess is they thought it would be better for Mass. to have 2 Dem senators than one appointed by Romney. Why would it require Kennedy's input?

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I have to echo aloysius1... Seriously, it took TWO WRITERS to OMIT completely that the SAME STATE LEGISLATURE changed this law several years ago to prevent Romney from appointing someone? Politics as usual... Nice job reporting...

Regarding health care: How are we supposed to pay for the public option with this ever-mounting debt? Can't we just past intelligent laws for now that reign in the private sector? Do you want the government passing a 1400-page bill that the legislators haven't read?

Posted by: Hoogineer | August 26, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Live links, RE:

CONGRESS SHOULD PROBE P.B.D. -- 'POLITICAL BRAIN DISEASE'


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OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "Zap. Have You Been Targeted by a Directed Energy Weapon?"

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 26, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Gee...what a shame that Kennedy himself strong-armed the Mass legislature back in 2004 to take away the Governor's power to appoint a Senator. You see, he didn't want then Gov. Mitt Romney to be able to name a replacement Senator if Kerry had beaten Bush in 2004. That's the Kennedy way, the Democrat Party first, Massachusetts second and America, a distant third......

I guess that's what the liberal media means by Kennedy always "reaching across the political aisle". Yeah, reaching across to strangle someone, maybe.

Good riddance.

Posted by: moonchild64 | August 26, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

TED KENNEDY DEATH SHOULD SPARK CONGRESS TO PROBE 'PBD' -- POLITICAL BRAIN DISEASE...

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victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener
RE: "Zap. Have You Been Targeted by a Directed Energy Weapon?"

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President Obama:

BAN microwave / laser "directed energy weapons" use (read: TORTURE / slow-kill homicide) on American citizens...

...and warrantless GPS tracking/surveillance of unjustly targeted Americans...

...the electronic backbone of a Bush-Cheney spawned American Gestapo that is now operating on YOUR watch.


Posted by: scrivener50 | August 26, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"The Kennedy paradox is that he managed to be esteemed by almost everyone without ever becoming all things to all people."

I just happened to like this line from Dionne's column.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/26/AR2009082601895.html

Posted by: DDAWD | August 26, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse


The Democrats should do in 2009 with health insurance what they did in 1964 with civil rights –– honor a Kennedy death with some serious legislation that evens up the gap between the rich, the never-will-be-rich and the poor.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | August 26, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh please let the Spendocrats come back and try to cram down health care in the name of Good Ol' Teddy. Please force through a vote on cap and tax. Oh, and add amnesty for all illegal aliens that Obama promised recently. The fact that the health care bill has an option to bring in all illegal aliens continues to get no coverage.

The anger being shown at Town Hall meetings will be insignificant in response to the power grab of these Spendocrats. 2010 cannot come soon enough. Citizens need to go to Town Hall meetings and stand up for the Constitution.

Is it too late to cancel Tarp and the Stimulus bills?

Posted by: Bubbette1 | August 26, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats never really had 60 votes--Kennedy and Franken never attended a vote together. We have what we had before, a reasonable majority and a couple of rational, reasonable, civic-minded Senators from Maine.

And after Labor Day, maybe the Mass. legislature will give us an early Christmas present. Their call, but I don't think it's make-or-break for health care.

Oh, and rest in peace, Senator. You will be missed.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 26, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

One more position to fill in the fantasy world and economics of today's NeoCom Statist Destructionist Party.

Posted by: leapin | August 26, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

leichtman:

Are you talkin' to me?

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

we know exactly where DeLay was, unfortunately he was my Congressman and he regularly sent me flyers telling me how to get behind Sen Hutchinson and Colburn's push for the nuclear option.

You might also want to know:
" by their election successes, House Republicans yesterday changed their rules to allow Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas to keep his post even if a grand jury indicts him, and Senate GOP leaders continued to weigh changing long-standing rules governing filibusters to prevent Democrats from blocking President Bush's most conservative judicial nominees."

"Republicans were less brazen a month ago, when they held a tiny Senate majority and their House members were more sensitive to criticisms of ethical lapses. But basking in the Nov. 2 election that gave Bush a second term and expanded the party's House and Senate majorities, Republican leaders are showing greater willingness to brush past Democratic objections, parliamentary traditions and watchdog groups' denunciations to advance their agenda.

House Republicans, in an unrecorded voice vote behind closed doors, changed a 1993 party rule that required leaders who are indicted INDICTED, practice. When a man is accused by a bill of indictment preferred by a grand jury, he is said to be indicted. to step aside. Under the revised rule, an indicted leader can keep his or her post while the Republican Steering Committee steer·ing committee
n.
A committee that sets agendas and schedules of business, as for a legislative body or other assemblage."

what is truly our loss today is that we will no longer have bipartisan Senators like Kennedy, Bob Kerry, Dole or Alan Simpson to govern when the US Senate was truly a civil institution, unlike the havoc that DeLay and Newt imposed on the House.

Posted by: leichtman | August 26, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Properly called the "Constitutional Option," a senator could call a point of order, reference the Constitution, and demand an immediate vote on the matter at hand. His point of order would then be put to a vote, and if a simple majority approved his motion, then a majority vote on the main issue could then be made.

This would become a precedent in the Senate, and eliminate the current rules regarding cloture and rule-changes. This would be a permanent and severe change in the Senate rules, and for that reason was guarded against by the "Gang of Fourteen."

It would be much easier to produce a bill (with no public option if necessary) and then add it back if possible under reconciliation with the House.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Tom DeLay was in the HOUSE, not Senate (he will be on "Dancing with the Stars" next month ; )

http://www.tomdelay.com

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I remember when the Republicans under Tom DeLay, told us that The Senate could always just use the "Nuclear Option" to close debate in the face of a filibuster. I think the Democrats should just do this, if they can't get the needed 60 votes.

Posted by: NoeValleyJim | August 26, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

I believe you missed someone on the HELP committee who could move to the Chairmanship. While Dodd may not go because of Banking, Tom Harkin my want to leave Ag chairman to come to HELP, leaving a void there that perhaps Blanche Lincoln would move into.

Posted by: rbshanahan | August 26, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I disagree totally. Senator Kennedy spent his entire life advocating for national healthcare. Its doubtful he would want his passing to be used by Rs to impede that dream.Passage of national healthcare would be his living memorial, more important to his legacy then all of the acolades you are hearing from the media today. I think that most of us here are intelligent enough to understand how contentious passage of healthcare is and how likely its passage or defeat may come down to one vote in the US Senate. I believe that Medicare passed the US Senate by 1 vote and with 0 votes from Rs other than maybe Senator Dirkson.

Posted by: leichtman | August 26, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"That's politics, which is a crass and unseemly business."
==
Precisely why I got out of politics, while I still had a little humanity left in me.

Posted by: soonerthought | August 26, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

While the Constitution may not make any mention of political parties or filibusters, it does explicitly state that each House may establish the rules of its proceedings (Article I, Section 5).

Under those explicit terms, the Senate has adopted standing rule XXII, which clearly lays out the rules for ending debate, or invoking "cloture."

While politically liberal in my views, I am thankful for the small "c" conservative views of the framers of the Constitution. I am relieved that it takes considerable effort to get something enacted into law in this country.

As I see it, the main problem with health care reform is that there isn't consensus on how to carry out this reform. I am thankful for a system that will make us slow down and figure out something consensual rather than forcing perhaps ill thought out legislation on the rest of us.

I think Cillizza and other journalists like him should be commended for reporting on how the players react to game under the rules as they are played. By pointing out the problems with fixating on the 60 seat majority, we as information consumers can gain a better understaning of the motivations of the majority/minority leaders. How would the rapproachment of Senator Lieberman and the Democratic Caucus differed had Senator Reid not been looking for the magical 60th Senator?

Posted by: gradstudent2007 | August 26, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"the man isn't even dead twelve hours and you're already doing horse race coverage on his replacement? Crass and unnecessary, Chris."

The site is called The Fix for a reason. We were talking about Kennedy's replacement before he passed. Come to think of it, HE was talking about his replacement before he passed & pressed the MA Gov & Lege to introduce legislation to produce an outcome more to his liking. That's politics, which is a crass and unseemly business.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 26, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The senate has rules. One of them is that to restrict debate requires the approval of three-fifths of the senators. To change a rule in the senate requires two-thirds.

See this link:


http://rules.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=RulesOfSenate.View&Rule_id=b53f00ae-eaf3-4382-a827-097360cb1c93&CFID=10460505&CFTOKEN=31359213

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"The term was "mongoloid" (go listen to Devo's first album) and it referred to the epicanthic fold of the eyelid that Down syndrome ("Down's Sydrome" in the rest of the English-speaking world) exhibit.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite"

I think it also had to do with the prevailing prejudices. There's a Stephen Jay Gould essay on the subject. Not sure if any of you own a copy of The Panda's Thumb. It's in there.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 26, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Geeze, the man isn't even dead twelve hours and you're already doing horse race coverage on his replacement? Crass and unnecessary, Chris.

==

At the risk of bumping up my post count, I second this. It's unseemly. Could have waited a day or two.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I believe that Down Syndrome was called Mongolian Disease or something like that based on the belief that afflicted individuals had the intelligence of a Mongolian.

==

The term was "mongoloid" (go listen to Devo's first album) and it referred to the epicanthic fold of the eyelid that Down syndrome ("Down's Sydrome" in the rest of the English-speaking world) exhibit.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Geeze, the man isn't even dead twelve hours and you're already doing horse race coverage on his replacement? Crass and unnecessary, Chris.

Posted by: soonerthought | August 26, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, there were whole tracts written, even hierarchies proposed (ranking in order of inferiority), the imbeciles, idiots, morons, cretins and etc."

I believe that Down Syndrome was called Mongolian Disease or something like that based on the belief that afflicted individuals had the intelligence of a Mongolian.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 26, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

LET the Republicans filibuster.

They will SHOW how they are [literally] standing in the way of health reform just because they don't want the Dems and Obama to have a "win"... the American people be damned.

Even though it is in no way the intention of the Constitution (The VP is specifically given the tie-breaker role... our governing bodies are INTENDED to be simple majority rule)

--- bring on the filibuster. No cloture, no surrender.

The American people VOTED the current administration into office -- Let them do what we have asked!

Posted by: veracity99 | August 26, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

NEW YORK, Aug. 25 -- A wealthy investment banker and prominent fundraiser for President Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton and other top Democrats was arrested Tuesday on charges that he lied to get a $74 million business loan.
Prosecutors accused Hassan Nemazee of giving Citibank "fraudulent and forged" documents showing that he owned millions of dollars in collateral. A criminal complaint also accuses Nemazee of providing false verifying information for financial institutions, including a phone number that actually belonged to him.
Prosecutors said FBI agents stopped the 59-year-old financier on Sunday at Newark Liberty International Airport as he prepared to board a flight to Rome.
Nemazee, chairman and chief executive of New York-based Nemazee Capital, was national finance co-chairman for Clinton's presidential bid last year, and after her primary defeat he raised money for Obama. In 2004, he worked for the presidential campaign of Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) as New York state finance chairman.
A Clinton spokesman didn't immediately return an e-mail message seeking comment.
In 1999, President Bill Clinton picked Nemazee to be U.S. ambassador to Argentina, but his nomination was never confirmed.
Nemazee, who did not enter a plea or speak at the court hearing, faces up to 30 years in prison and a fine if convicted.

Posted by: hclark1 | August 26, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

the term you are looking for and we heard endlessly from the R party is that you want an Up or Down vote on healthcare which many of us totally agree with. I am sure we can find the tape of Hatch, Coburn and Cornyn yelling about demanding an Up or Down vote abouth Judicial Nominees. They should also be reminded that there were many in the D party that were willing to allow the Rs to nuke the fillibuster. Too bad Rs weren't given their way.

Incidentally there were no political parties when the Constitition was written and John Adams felt political parties would destory this country.

he once declared: "There is nothing I dread so much as a division of the Republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader and converting measures into opposition to each other."

Political parties, Adams said, are to be "dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."

Posted by: leichtman | August 26, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

You're not getting it, veracity99. Passing a law never requires more than a simple majority vote, but ending debate currently does.

I would love to make the Republican Senators stand up and talk for hours on end in order to prevent a vote on health care reform. Unfortunately, the current rules of the Senate do not require it, and there is no way to force them to do it without changing the rules of the Senate. And changing those rules would require more votes than that.

Much easier to write something that the two moderate Senators can vote for, and go with that. Failing that, use reconciliation for a 51-vote passage.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

OT @ shrink2: I'm reading Pinker's "The Blank Slate" right now on my Kindle. I just finished reading his extensive quote of a writer from the 1860s and his jaw-dropping racism / sexism / condescension / etc. for example calling Hawaiian an inferior language because it had a higher ration of vowels to consonants.

Attitudes have changed really REALLY fast, even in my lifetime, I remember seeing White Only bathrooms in the Mariner's Museum in Virginia.

And I must say that there is something gratifying in the rage coming from the racists these days. It's good to know the world has changed enough to make them seriously uncomfortable. Hope they hemmorhage and die.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I admire Mr. Cillizza's work, both at the Post and as a television commentator. Yet I wish he would re-examine his word choice at times like the following: "the renegade nature of some of the more moderate elements within the party." The word "moderate" doesn't apply to these renegades. They are Democrats in name only, and share far more in common with Bush/Cheney's party than their own.
We could certainly use their votes on health care and other matters. If we don't get them, the failure will be theirs. It will have nothing to do with moderacy.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | August 26, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I admire Mr. Cillizza's work, both at the Post and as a television commentator. Yet I wish he would re-examine his word choice at times like the following: "the renegade nature of some of the more moderate elements within the party." The word "moderate" doesn't apply to these renegades. They are Democrats in name only, and share far more in common with Bush/Cheney's party than their own.
We could certainly use their votes on health care and other matters. If we don't get them, the failure will be theirs. It will have nothing to do with moderacy.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | August 26, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"At one time "cretin" was a medical term, it still might be"

Yes, there were whole tracts written, even hierarchies proposed (ranking in order of inferiority), the imbeciles, idiots, morons, cretins and etc.

Laughable, but not so long ago.

Posted by: shrink2 | August 26, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The Constitution takes no account for political parties and the attendant posturing.

It states the country is to be ruled by the people who elect reps and then legislate by means of simple majority rule. In the Senate, this is clearly detailed by the role given to the VP as Tie-breaker (50+50+1...simple math).

This filibuster, super majority crapola is a construct of the (power and money greed driven) political parties and is not only against the will of the original leaders of the USA, it is a scam of monumental proportion against the will of the people who vote in good faith for the representative they THINK will be able to serve their interests.

Now, saying that ... and being a realist in today's divisive and lie infested debate -- make the Republicans DO the actual filibuster ... no cloture, no parliamentary crap --- let's play SHOW, not Tell.

Let's see who just plain doesn't want to reform our health care (and in doing so give a "win" to Obama and the Dems) -- let's actually SEE who is LITERALLY standing in the way of reform!

Posted by: veracity99 | August 26, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

veracity99:

I agree with your sentiment, but not your facts. While there is nothing in the Constitution about filibusters, it does give the Senate the responsibility for devising it's own rules.

There is no such thing as "forcing a filibuster" anymore. There is a vote to end debate which requires 60% in favor. If you want to know who is holding things up, you can just look at who votes against cloture. It's not a secret.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

jake no one is interested in yor thoughts about replacing Senator Kennedy, no one, considering you have no idea who their Governor is. It would be like my telling you how the R party in Utah should replace their senator if that unfortuante event should happen.

There will be a political price to pay by the Mass. Governor and its D state legislature if they should choose to ignore the dying wishes of Senator Kennedy and if that lost Senate vote then ends up destroying healthcare reform, Senator Kennedy's lifelong dream. I doubt many other Progressives disagree with that sentiment and hopefully someone within the Mass Democratic party will hear that message loud and clear soon.

Posted by: leichtman | August 26, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the correction, G&T. I don't know where I got the cretin = Cretan idea.

I'm guessing most Christians would stop using the word if they understood the etymology.

==

At one time "cretin" was a medical term, it still might be, referring to a sort of mentally retarded small developmentally disable person characterized by infantile genitalia.

Since they were incapable of the sexual act, perennially regarded as "dirty" in pious circles, they were considered "good Christians."

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The US Constitution clearly states that the Senate votes and a majority of fifty-one will carry the day.
It specifies this with very clear language giving the Vice President the role of "tie-breaker".

There is nothing about filibusters or super-majorities. There is nothing that refers to bi-partisan ... because political parties are not mentioned in any section, clause, paragraph, line, statement or punctuation point!

That the Senate has modified our founding principles of simple majority rule in order to facilitate political parties and the attendant contributions associated with who is in "power" is one of our country's greatest scams.

The we-the-people part of our Constitution and our country suffers when our votes don't count due to the machinations of those we elect.

Having said that and being a realist, I say ... force the actual filibuster.

Let the Republicans do the work of the filibuster, since they have no intention of looking out for the good of all Americans, but only to defeat Obama and the Democrats that vanquished them in the last two elections. They are playing to "win at all costs"... please just read their comments and capitulations to lies and misinformation regarding the real reform being offered...

This would be an excellent example of SHOW, don't TELL.

We could then know exactly who is literally... standing in the way of reforming a system that they themselves agree needs change.

Posted by: veracity99 | August 26, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the correction, G&T. I don't know where I got the cretin = Cretan idea.

I'm guessing most Christians would stop using the word if they understood the etymology.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

angriestdog, I came back because other blogs are filled, stuffed really with idiots (you can read them for hours and never learn a single thing you did not already know) and zouk is gone. Now no one really seems to mind the ubiquitous, though tiresome, foile a deux on this blog.

Posted by: shrink2 | August 26, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade:

You're welcome (only 3 posts from me -- 4 now -- on this thread ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

That's "cretin." As in, the isle of Crete.

==

Actually it's derived from a Swiss word for "Christian"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

@angriest: recall what happened to Dan Froomkin. One reason may have been that his blogs, widely read though they were, didn't get a lot of comments. Considering that the troll does at least 30% of the comments in every section, the cretin may be singlehandedly keeping Cillizza employed.

I imagine though that if he were removed a lot more people would post here. Reading the same half-dozen self-absorbed posts several times a day is probably driving a lot more worthy contributors away.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

That's "cretin." As in, the isle of Crete.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is still here? Cazilla, I know I said I too am boycotting your pro-repug Texas two-step, but I will occasionally join in to ask why is this creatin still allowed to post?

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 26, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The point I had heard made up in Boston last week, was that Massachusetts is likely to loose a House seat following next years census, and one of the congressmen will be out of a job. You'd hate to be the one who finds out, after passing on a chance at higher office, that he's without a seat when the music stops.

Posted by: patrickneil | August 26, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jake

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 26, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Not a word about why a special election is necessary. It wasn't necessary not so many years ago. Then Mitt Romney became governor and John Kerry ran for the White House. The scaredy get dems had to change the rules. Now they are being hoisted by their own petard.

The word DEm is definitely an emetic

Posted by: aloysius1 | August 26, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Finally the voters will have a say about their Senate Representative to replace Edward Kennedy. He became a political institution in the U.S. Senate and the Democrat Party politics. He can probably also take credit for getting Obama elected.

Edward Kennedy’s Congressional allies’ opinion of him differs from the general public opinion of his Senate career. Goes to show you our Congressional representatives in the House and Senate are more interested in their own clique of in-house group than the concerns of the American people. The Senators have their own closed political career system.

Posted by: klausdmk | August 26, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Finally the voters will have a say about their Senate Representative to replace Edward Kennedy. He became a political institution in the U.S. Senate and the Democrat Party politics. He can probably also take credit for getting Obama elected.

Edward Kennedy’s Congressional allies’ opinion of him differs from the general public opinion of his Senate career. Goes to show you our Congressional representatives in the House and Senate are more interested in their own clique of in-house group than the concerns of the American people. The Senators have their own closed political career system.

Posted by: klausdmk | August 26, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade:

The Dem Governor (Joe Manchin) would select someone to fill the vacancy, but only until voters get their say at the next major statewide election.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, come on Chris and Paul... you both know and I know a 60 vote filibuster-proof majority is not just on hold for the foreseeable future. It is a myth. For the Democrats to really have a filibuster-proof majority they would need about 70 votes, and even that would be shaky. Why? Not just because they are Democrats but the Democrats are now the “Big Tent” party in America. They are willing to try to accommodate diverse views. Indeed, if the Republicans had 60 votes, they probably would have a filibuster-proof majority because not only are they the “Small Tent” party but they might peal off some Democrats from the “Big Tent!”

All of which is to say stop writing these stories which have very little basis in fact. Be more pragmatic about how you’re covering the Washington scene.


Posted by: unchurch1 | August 26, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Without a fundamental change in the industry's business model, there is no health reform, only expansion.

But expansion is fine with me, at least my industry can not be made more "productive" by importing a desperate labor force (all countries now face shortages of trained health professionals), or exporting its profits and facilities. And if we spend too much on health care, that is not as bad as spending too much on consumables, or Haliburton and Xe. Care managers and pill advertisers need work too. Health costs will go up whether or not any iteration of what is left of the "reform" effort passes.


Posted by: shrink2 | August 26, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

One cannot pass the entire healthcare reform bill, whatever it might be, via reconciliation. Parts of it, yes, but non-budgetary parts don't qualify for reconciliation. The analogy to the stimulus bill--Dems+3 is most probable. The Republican party is replaying 1994 with the twist that Democrat = fascist.

I listened to the replay of Moran's townhall meeting. One woman asked if he would (a) be willing to put his family under the public plan and (b) has ever lived under socialized medicine. He answered yes and no. The next person then claimed Moran didn't answer the previous question. What part of Y - E - S did she not understand?

Incidentally does anyone know what W. Virginia law is regarding the replacement of a senator who dies while in office?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 26, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Dodd's work on healthcare certainly seems to suggest he might prefer to change the subject. Any way you slice it, healthcare reform is more popular than bank bailouts.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The Fix writes
"Next in line in committee seniority is Kennedy's closest friend in the Senate, Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), who shepherded the health-care legislation through the HELP committee in June and July."


You have to wonder whether this is a golden opportunity for Dodd to put the finance committee & resulting ethics questions behind him, thus boosting his own chances for reelection.


.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 26, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

@mrmoogie: Any inside knowledge? Possible caretaker appointment? Special election frontrunners?

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

OK folks! I'm convinced!!

In view of the massive objections of "da people", especially older folks to a government "takeover" of healthcare I think we "libruls" should listen.

If "da people" don't want government healthcare, death panels, interfering with their doctors, deficit spending etc. then I think we libs should acquiese ... and join rightist Republicans in moving to abolish medicare.

After all, that would allow the free market private sector to meet all the needs of the elderly, it would fix the budget deficit right away and we wouldn't have to worry about death panels and the dreaded "socialized medicine".

Abolish Medicare!!

That's the ticket!!!

:-)

Posted by: toritto | August 26, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Thank God.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Chris -- Barney Frank said this morning on WBUR that he categorically will NOT run for the seat. He has his chairmanship and that it would be, in his words, "irresponsible" to run for office while dealing with all the financial services legislation before him.

Posted by: SGfromMudville | August 26, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats have staked a lot on health care reform and now they have one less sure vote. Do they really want to start the 2010 campaign without health care reform? On the other hand the fall is for the budget, a particularly touchy subject right now, and by January they are running for re-election. No doubt the pressure is on, but how it will all break out should be interesting. I think the odds of health care reform fall with every passing day. If it isn't voted on by early October, I really don't see it until 2011. And 2011 assumes the Democrats hang onto the senate and keep a decent, though smaller, majority in the house. Unless the Democrats are so desperate they'll take anything the moderates will hand them and call it success.

Personally I was surprised by how it has played so far. I was surprised that Kennedy and Byrd didn't time a retirement to guarantee Democratic replacements for their seats. Replacements who would be around to vote on a new President's agenda before the 2011 re-election cycle started. I was surprised how Obama campaigned on health care reform and he left it to Congress to design the solution. I understand the Clinton health care bill, written in the dark, take it or leave, was a warning to them but am I the only person capable of doing date math? It's like after the inauguration they all sat down at a table and said, any ideas on a bill for health care reform? We're only trying to change a seventh of the US economy, how long could it take? They knew they had Feb, Mar, May, June and July. Five months to craft and debate one of the most consequential and complex pieces of legislation in a generation. I'm lucky to get an SOP revised in five months at my medium size company. I had honestly assumed that the framework for the bill had already been completed before the election and it was a matter of gaining consensus and horse trading a few details. You would think eggheads would be better at reading and understanding a calendar.

Currently, considering the makeup of Congress, I think the Democrats would be best off forcing insurance reform and promising the voters a measured set of changes to reforming something as important as health care. It would be better than a desperate compromise, better than no action and since no one likes insurance companies the target is easy. Ban pre-existing conditions and force insurance to be in simple, plain English.

Posted by: caribis | August 26, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Any healthcare bill will be passed as a budget reconciliation and requiring only a simple majority of 51 votes. That was true before Teddy Kennedy died and it's no less true today. Republicans are going to obstruct anything Obama tries to achieve with no regard for the good of their constituents or of the nation so really there is no more point trying to be bipartisan about healthcare, nor about anything else for that matter. What's the point?

Just brush them out of the way and get on with doing the nation's business.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 26, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The word "filibuster" rightly belongs to holding the floor in the style of "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington." That technique is still available to a single senator, though never used.

What takes 60 votes is a vote to end debate, or "cloture." I agree it should be abolished but unfortunately there are no longer votes for the rule change either.

Even more odious is the practice of allowing a single senator to put a "hold" on nominations.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

You might know Washington, but you don't know Massachusetts. The state legislature is going to take care of this right when they get back in session after Labor Day.

Posted by: mrmoogie | August 26, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"All Americans of good will should hope that the United States Senate can do its duty without parliamentary tricks."

The parliamentary trick they need to abolish is the ability of a senator to filibuster by statement alone, rather than forcing the obstructionist to stand at the lectern and talk. The Senate was designed to be a majority rules body. Those rules should be reinstated.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 26, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

As CC states, the filibuster-proof majority was more theoretical than real. There has not yet been a major vote this year that got 60 Democratic votes in the Senate.

All Americans of good will should hope that the United States Senate can do its duty without parliamentary tricks. In honor of their departed colleague if nothing else.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 26, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

That is the "stark" reality. Maybe Sen. Feingold had some inside info when he admitted that there won't be a healthcare vote before Christmas, if at all.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

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