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Mark Kirk struggles to answer résumé questions



Illinois Rep. Mark Kirk has struggled to answer questions about his military record.

In the wake of Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal's struggles to explain past misstatements about his military record, Illinois Rep. -- and Senate candidate -- Mark Kirk is now on the defensive about a discrepancy in his résumé regarding an honor he claimed to have received.

At issue is Kirk's past claim that he had been named the U.S. Navy's Intelligence Officer of the Year -- an award that he actually did not receive, as was first reported by The Post's Jeff Smith on May 29.

Kirk acknowledged the misstatement in a blog post two days earlier, but the question of how he came to be aware of the information remains a point of considerable contention.

Kirk has said that he became aware of the information after an internal campaign review in the wake of the Blumenthal story breaking.

"Even though this issue is very distinct from developments concerning Dick Blumenthal's military record, the news out of Connecticut resulted in an internal review of Mark Kirk's military record and his biographical information in advance of any contact from any entity outside the campaign," said spokeswoman Kirsten Kukowski in a statement released to the media last night. "While this review was ongoing, Mr. Kirk was contacted by Navy personnel."

The Navy has said that it got in touch with Kirk about the résumé discrepancy after being contacted by media outlets about it.

While every jot and tittle of the case isn't likely to be followed closely by Illinois voters -- particularly with the trial of former Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D) slated to start tomorrow -- several Republican strategists expressed bewilderment about the way Kirk has handled the situation.

A Republican operative familiar with Illinois politics said that the situation had been "completely mishandled" and wondered whether "bad staff work or Kirk trying to run his own campaign" was to blame.

Regardless of whether Kirk, his staff or a press corps on the hunt for other résumé inflaters in the wake of Blumenthal's revelations are to blame, it's clear that the congressman has made two key political errors.

First, he has taken what should be a clear positive for his campaign -- his military record -- and turned it, at least for the moment, into a net negative.

"Why he wouldn't be clear and accurate in his already extremely classy résumé is beyond me," said one senior Illinois Republican. "A little bit of arrogance unfortunately shows through here."

Kirk's second problem is that he is now knee-deep in a process story of who said what to whom when (got that?) that is almost unwinnable from a political perspective. (Need evidence? See the White House's ongoing struggle to put the Rep. Joe Sestak (D) job offer story behind them.)

By turning it into a process story, Kirk has lost some of the high ground on the matter he tried to claim when he sent out an e-mail to supporters last week noting that state Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias (D) had never served in the military and was in no position to criticize.

"Because of that record he has made a strategic decision to attack my military service record," wrote Kirk. "I understand politics is a tough business -- but this attack orchestrated by Alexi Giannoulias is a disgrace."

But now, Giannoulias has a wide opening to raise questions about Kirk's past statements about his military service that focus solely on why the GOP congressman wasn't entirely truthful in explaining his résumé rather than the résumé itself.

Republicans have been riding high in Illinois for months -- buoyed by Kirk's easy primary win, his remarkable fundraising and the failure of Giannoulias's family bank.

This résumé story is the first major test for Kirk. To date, his handling of it has been uneven -- at best. Can he put it behind him sometime soon or will the political bleeding continue?

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 2, 2010; 2:45 PM ET
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Twelve years ago when Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) was running for Senate, the San Francisco Examiner uncovered that his Army record was in doubt:

Issa's Army record in doubt
Candidate's account can't be verified
Lance Williams, OF THE EXAMINER STAFF

Friday, May 29, 1998

(05-29) 04:00 PDT CALIFORNIA -- Republican U.S. Senate candidate Darrell Issa says that during the Vietnam War he served with an elite Army bomb unit, traveling with then-President Richard Nixon to protect him from harm.

He attended baseball's World Series in 1971 as part of the president's security entourage, Issa once told an interviewer.

But military records obtained by The Examiner and interviews with former soldiers cast doubt on the stories the millionaire executive-turned-politician tells about his Army days.

The records show that Issa's service on what he terms an

"Army security team" amounted to less than six months on a bomb-disposal squad in 1971. That's scant experience to qualify him for presidential security duty, former GI bomb experts say.

Issa couldn't have guarded Nixon at the World Series because the president didn't attend, according to the Nixon Presidential Library in Yorba Linda.

According to records and interviews, Issa's service on the bomb squad was marred by a bad conduct rating, a demotion and allegations that he had stolen a fellow soldier's car.

And although Issa's campaign biography says he served nine years in the Army before leaving to make his fortune in the electronics business, the records show he served for five years and three months: as an enlisted man during 1970-1972, and as a lieutenant from 1976 to 1980.

Between 1972 and 1976, he was a college student in an Army ROTC program, records show.

Issa declined to be interviewed for this story. A spokesman said Issa accurately has described his military past and had compiled a distinguished service record. But one former GI says he has a different memory of Issa.

"That kid stole my car out of the parking lot and took it to Cleveland, and I knew he did it," said retired 1st Sgt. Jay Bergey, who served with Issa in 1971 on the 145th Ordnance Detail, an Army bomb squad stationed near Pittsburgh.

"I confronted Issa. . .. . I got in his face and threatened to kill him, and magically my car reappeared the next day, abandoned on the turnpike," the retired soldier said in a phone interview from his home in Pennsylvania.

Issa was not prosecuted and "he left the unit very shortly after that," the former soldier sa

Posted by: MadamDeb | June 3, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

You have to read Heinlein for his writing, not his politics. Starship Troopers is full of military nonsense, like his description of MI as being almost all teeth, whereas he carefully describes the tail provided by the navy as if itwas a quasi particle, both existing and not existing depending on how you look at it. Door into Summer is really kooky, from Heinlein's fascination with the gold standard to his hero worship of cats.

And the Moon is a Harsh Mistress is really a juvie fiction written for juvies with real vocabularies. Still, I have read everything but his works of extreme old age, when he was trying to tie up loose ends that should have been left unraveled.

Now I am trying to get my 14 year old daughter to read most of his works, because politics or not, he is one heck of a writer, and reading Heinlein, Asimov, Niven, Bradnury, Cordwainer Smith and Robert Silverberg in quantity can't do much except improver her writing skills.

Read "Up The Line" by Silverberg. Good for your breath control because you go whole chapters in such a hurry you forget to breathe. Also lots of fun with a great era in Western History.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 3, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"Crawl back under your rock, KinIL, those are all good votes. Posted by: Noacoler"

NOT when you need every T-Party Republican you can get to stand a chance at winning. His Military record is something that T-People couldn't care at all about, since patriotism is being Republican.

Brigade of the many other posting minikers doesn't bother me in the least, but untruths about veterans tend to need immediate response. Untruths about Korean war veterans REALLY need immediate addressing.

And the total ignorance Republicans demonstrate on things military, like the dorky helmets worn by APC crew members so they can hear each other over the noise, especially for warnings like "The Transmission is stuck in pivot and we are about to roll over" that Republicans loved to mock need to be carefully corrected, although republicans who want to ride in the gunners hatch in a 113 sans helmet deserve the various often fatal tings that can happen because of their love for the wind in their hair.

(Got my lecture on 113 safety from my son, who had one going forward at nearly full speed decide to shift into pivot. He doesn't know how he kept from rolling over and killing most of the crew.)

Posted by: ceflynline | June 3, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Crawl back under your rock, KinIL, those are all good votes.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 3, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

More troubling on Congressman Kirk's resume is his voting record:
Voted against Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act
Voted against restricting interstate transport of minors for abortions Voted for Cap N Trade
Voted for McCain-Feingold and other free speech limitations
Voted against the surge
Voted against drilling in ANWR
Voted for raising CAFE standards
Voted for $10 Billion in Amtrak funding through 2013


Posted by: KrisinIllinois | June 3, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Now that military service is an issue in this senate campaign, Kirk should make a big deal of it. Kirk should run a campaign ad against Giannoulias saying "Lexi Giannoulias wants to attack Mark Kirk's military record to turn the attention away from his own families bank failure and his involvement in it. Then go on to compare Kirk's military record vs. that of Giannoulias. Kirk can run an honest assessment of his military service to "clear the record", and then tout that Giannoulias has never served in anything but the failure of his families bank. Then the suggest the choice of vote is very clear.

Posted by: reason5 | June 3, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Poor lonely Ped.

Posted by: Moonbat | June 3, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

@ceflynline: I shouldn't worry too much about anything Brigade says, it's just another zouk moniker telling us how smart he thinks he is.  Those who can, do, etc.  Disappointing to see Fairlington chiming in on such a quibble.

@BB: Don't get me started on Heinlein.  I read "Stranger" as a new book in college, liked it then, but later I looked back on it and saw the coming demise clearly, the demise that was so starkly outlined in "Time Enough for Love."  I'd read "Methuselah's Children" many times since high school, knew Lazarus Long, but when I turned the last page of "Time Enough" I, who had never so much as pencilled in the margins of a book, opened it to the middle page and placed it face down in the fireplace, and vowed to never read another book by Heinlein ever again.  What utter tripe.  What despicable horny old man garbage.  What self-impressed libertarian junk.  And sure enough, in the years since, time and time again I see people of the worst and lowest sort pasting bits out of the "Notebooks" chapter.  Ugh.  

It was only years later that I realized the guy was a Fascist at heart, it's really obvious in "Starship Troopers" and the movie did a good job of bringing that out.  

Posted by: Noacoler | June 3, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

37th, did you just crawl out of a time capsule put down in the 1950s?

Families ashamed of gay sons?  You're three generations out of date.  Yeah I knew gay men who were rejected by their families .. they were in their 70s and I knew them 25 years ago.

Being gay nowadays is about as shameful as being left handed.

On the other hand, being a meth addict is about as low class as it gets.  That would be you, burnout.

And I'll leave the USA on my own good time, but leave it I certainly will.  You can stay here and watch everything fall apart and you'll learn, the very hard way, that Marx was dead right about capitalism.  I'll be in my palatial home in Cần Thơ watching you standing in line for a half a kilo of soylent green.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 3, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Resume questions on Both sides are interesting character studies BUT- This is what I'm outraged about

1.Obama's administration approved the BP well
2. Obama's Minerals Management Service didn't oversee the safety precautions and upkeep of said well
3. Obama made a speech supporting the approval and management of more deep sea wells- giving the MMS a bigger responsibility to blow- weeks before the leak
4. Obama has chosen to outsource the biggest environmental disaster in history to BP a multinational private enterprise run by the Brits who use robots (hence the Robocop analogy)
5. Every attempt has unfortunately failed miserably with no end in sight until perhaps 2 1/2 months from now, with Florida nxt to suffer while Obama throws tarballs on the beach for the cameras!
6. If this was Bush every Dem would have 2 fingers in casts typing out the criticism.
7. Why aren't all Americans outraged by the above?

Posted by: thecannula | June 2, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"and/or

Service for thirty (30) consecutive days duty in Korea or sixty (60) days of non-consecutive duty in Korea."

Qualify for membership in the veterans of Foreign Wars.

Note the absence of from and to dates.

If I wanted to join just my port visits would qualify me, but then if I wanted to join my two and a half years in Viet nam are also qualifying, and I can qualify several other ways.

Not a member, though. Too many Conservatives who believe that only Republicans are Patriots belong for my comfort.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 2, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Nope. Can't pin down that third idea from ped. No Bingo today.

Could someone please post something about birds, sarah palin, msrp or holdbacks or shower stalking. Ped has so little to work with.

Posted by: Moonbat | June 2, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

By the way, My port calls to Korea in the late seventies DON'T technically qualify me for Korean War Vet because to earn the UN service ribbon or the Korean service ribbon you need to be on orders stationing you in country.

When you have been there and done that and volunteered to go back for more, THEN you can tell me about it.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 2, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Ped knows how to write better than actual paid writers.

E

Posted by: Moonbat | June 2, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"Let's see now. Dukakis served in the Army from 1955 to 1957. The Korean War lasted from 1950 to 1953."

My SON served in Korea from 2005 to 2008. HE is technically a Korean War Veteran because the Korean War is still technically still on, and should you be patrolling the DMZ and get shot at you get a CIB if you are infantry or a CMB if you you are the patrol's medic. Just to make me feel old he then ended up driving a Sherman tank that had been on static display at Camp Red Cloud to Camp Casey, and had the Army put it on his Driver's license, so my SON is a Korean War Veteran Sherman tank Driver.

Dukakis is a Veteran of Korea. Including the war that Kim Jong Il seems prepared to make hot again. Among the incidents iun the Korean war AFTER the cease fire was signed were any number of Northern Troops infiltrating the South, the murder of GI's cutting a tree to clean up sight lines, and, now, torpedoing a South Korean Warship.

If you think the Korean war is over, you might want to find out what the troops assigned to the JSA think of your ignorance.

Oh, and an M113 is an armored personel carrier, not a tank.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 2, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Ped urging others to ignore his only friends.

P

Posted by: Moonbat | June 2, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

The country deserves an INDEPENDENT PROSECUTOR TO INVESTIGATE


1) Whether the Obama people, through a Union Official, made an offer to Blago with the intent to get Valerie Jarrett the appointment to the US Senate.


2) The Sestak affair, whether the Obama perople, through another third party, Bill Clinton, made an offer to Sestak to illegally influence the PA primary.


3) The Romanoff affair - whether an offer was made there to influence that election.


IT APPEARS THAT THERE MAY BE A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE HERE - REPEATEDLY BREAKING THE SAME LAWS.


THAT WOULD MAKE OBAMA GUILT OF RACKETEERING.


ALL THESE CRIMES ARE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.


The American people need to clean house -


When MMS wasn't cleaned out properly, and oil rig safety was allowed to continue to be lax, look what happened to the Gulf of Mexico.


We have to clean house with Obama - NOW.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 2, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


There you go again - with your offense comments about Brigade


you now want everyone to gang up on him.


I tell you what - go to a gay bar and leave everyone here alone

This is getting tiresome with you.

Just stop it - stop bothering other people - and please leave the country and never come back.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 2, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'll have to side with Brigade on the matter of Dukakis's service. He got a deferment in 1951, so he served in Korea, but not during the war. My father served in Germany in the 50s, but that doesn't make him a WWII vet. Now if you'd just leave aside the insults…

With regards to Foundation, I'd heartily agree. The original trilogy was part of my SciFi education--simply an amazing collection of stories. One quote that politicians would do well to remember: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. I didn't like the disease that struck several giants of SciFi late in their lives--the need to wrap everything together. The worst offender was Heinlein. The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress is one of my very favorite stories (why don't we throw rocks at them?), but trying to wrap that into some of his later junk was atrocious.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 2, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here think Brigade is worth reading?

Balancing the contribution -- zero -- against the snark and the childishness, the answer is clearly "no."

You go on pounding your chest, Brigade, but you're only doing it for 37th. Enjoy your membership in the PgUp club.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


Noacoler is gay - he has never gotten over that.


In addition, he has family problems - no one in his family accepts that he is gay - and they certainly don't want his gay lovers in their faces on the holidays.


This has created great conflict in his life - he ends up lashing at people who are completely unrelated to his real problems.

I don't know what to tell the guy, except to leave the country, and leave every American alone, forever.

Noacoler just hates himself - it is that simple - and there is nothing anyone can do - just watch him as he lashes out at everyone around him. You have to realize that everything you have said is completely unrelated to his gayness - it is a separate problem. HIS separate problem.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 2, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"This is the kind of crap I mean, Brigade. Dukakis served 16 months of his 24 month Army tour in Korea. OK, technically he wasn't a veteran of the war but he was there jusrt after it and stationed close to the DMZ."

The kind of crap you mean? Pointing out errors of fact in posts that were made to attack me? "Technically he wasn't a veteran of the war." That's a helluva technicality. "he was there just after it"---two years after it. One of my relatives was stationed in Germany in 1955, but that didn't make him a WWII vet. And you forgot to mention that ceflyline used this post to attack Bush41 for supposedly "lying" about Dukakis's "Korean War" service.

"You delight in this infantile hair-splitting gotcha crap when what ceflyline -- one of the best posters here -- said was only mildly inaccurate and deserved a note of correction at most."

It is hardly hairsplitting when someone is touted as a combat veteran who has never been in combat, and someone else is attacked for supposedly "lying" about it.
If this is one of your best posters, you'd better get her/him brushed up a bit.

"But for you it's nothing other than another opportunity to pollute this place with juvenile snark."

Call it what you will. It's always dangerous to challenge someone when the facts are not on your side.

Posted by: Brigade | June 2, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

The country deserves an INDEPENDENT PROSECUTOR TO INVESTIGATE


1) Whether the Obama people, through a Union Official, made an offer to Blago with the intent to get Valerie Jarrett the appointment to the US Senate.


2) The Sestak affair, whether the Obama perople, through another third party, Bill Clinton, made an offer to Sestak to illegally influence the PA primary.


3) The Romanoff affair - whether an offer was made there to influence that election.


IT APPEARS THAT THERE MAY BE A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE HERE - REPEATEDLY BREAKING THE SAME LAWS.


THAT WOULD MAKE OBAMA GUILT OF RACKETEERING.


ALL THESE CRIMES ARE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.


The American people need to clean house -


When MMS wasn't cleaned out properly, and oil rig safety was allowed to continue to be lax, look what happened to the Gulf of Mexico.


We have to clean house with Obama - NOW.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 2, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


First of all you are a jerk

On top of that, you have an extremely low intelligence.


Your basic problem comes because you resent people who are much smarter than you are.

In addition to that you are gay, and that brings up a whole bunch of other issues.

So what happens is you decided to annoy people instead of having any constructive impact on anyone, any group or society in general.

That is why, I speak for everyone you have ever met - your entire family - all your friends and the country as a whole.

Please leave. Leave the country, Take off from this great nation and never ever come back - as you leave our shores, you will improve this country, and it will be the best thing you ever did in your life.

Just leave now - get out - and never send another posting to this blog ever again.


thanks !

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 2, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

This is the kind of crap I mean, Brigade. Dukakis served 16 months of his 24 month Army tour in Korea. OK, technically he wasn't a veteran of the war but he was there jusrt after it and stationed close to the DMZ. You delight in this infantile hair-splitting gotcha crap when what ceflyline -- one of the best posters here -- said was only mildly inaccurate and deserved a note of correction at most. But for you it's nothing other than another opportunity to pollute this place with juvenile snark.

You don't contribute anything worthy to this blog, you're like some sort of insect buzzing around it.

And nobody else here alters others' quoted posts. That's incredibly childish, so don't trumpet how smart you think you are, not when you behave like a stupid kid.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Well the important part of the answer is that I don't get any special gratification out of bothering people, or out of being a jerk, that means that I have an unbridgeable chasm of difference from you, one I'm not too concerned about being able to cross.

So your evaluation of the intelligence of my posts means less me than just about anything I can think of.

You're a jerk. I'm not interesting in becoming one.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 8:48 PM
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Sorry, old chap. There's no bigger jerk on the Fix than you. There is, however, one just as ignorant and loose with the facts---see my response to ceflynline. That's why it's better you libs stick to snark and tales about your careers; you're clearly not up to commanding facts or debating issues. Sorry you can't keep up, but life isn't always fair.

Posted by: Brigade | June 2, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

@BB: I'm re-reading PK Dick's first novel "The Solar Lottery" on my Kindle. Some of the sentences are simply awful, but in some ways it's one of my favorite books of his. He describes a very peculiar world where game theory and randomness are part of everyday life.

Yeah of course I know about scintillation and the ubiquity of radioactive elements but to work that into a sentence about how dark the room was strikes me as the most deplorable pendantry of all time.

My SF intro was the Foundation Trilogy. The passage I described was from one of the later Foundation books, where he tried to reconcile it with the Robot universe, and I really wish he hadn't.

Not as disappointing as later Yes albums, though.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline wrote,
"I hate answering Zouk, no matter what he calls himself, but..."

Another drooling idiot who thinks there's just one conservative in the world using many different names. Don't do me any favors by responding to my posts. I'd prefer to hear from someone with a shade more intelligence than you possess.

"Dukakis was the ONLY Korean War Veteran nominated by a mainstream party. Riding in an M113 wasn't far off from the APC's available in Korea. If you are going to ride in the hatch of a 113, you had BETTER be wearing a helmet."

Let's see now. Dukakis served in the Army from 1955 to 1957. The Korean War lasted from 1950 to 1953. Looks like he's a "Korean War Veteran" just like Blumenthal's a "Vietnam War Veteran".

Oh, and Dukakis looked like an absolute fool in that over-sized helmet. It was one of the most ridiculous photo-op missteps in the history of politics.

"George the oldster knew all of that, by the way, but telling the truth about a fellow vet isn't George's style."

Sorry, bozo, but it looks once again like you're the one not telling the truth. That's why it's better you don't respond to me, because I'll always make it obvious when you don't know what you're talking about. Typical lib.

Posted by: Brigade | June 2, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

And what do you live for, lowbrainer?
If you'd ever make an intelligent post, some conservative might actually give you an intelligent response. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

==

Well the important part of the answer is that I don't get any special gratification out of bothering people, or out of being a jerk, that means that I have an unbridgeable chasm of difference from you, one I'm not too concerned about being able to cross.

So your evaluation of the intelligence of my posts means less me than just about anything I can think of.

You're a jerk. I'm not interesting in becoming one.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The Post continues to manufacture news to hide the countless distructive lies the Democrats and Obama tell daily!

Posted by: ELF2 | June 2, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The Post continues to manufacture news to hide the countless and distructive lies the Democrats and Obama tell daily!

Posted by: ELF2 | June 2, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"Don't forget Dukakis's experience wearing a helmet as he rode around in a tank."

I hate answering Zouk, no matter what he calls himself, but...

Dukakis was the ONLY Korean War Veteran nominated by a mainstream party. Riding in an M113 wasn't far off from the APC's available in Korea. If you are going to ride in the hatch of a 113, you had BETTER be wearing a helmet.

George the oldster knew all of that, by the way, but telling the truth about a fellow vet isn't George's style.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 2, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Well, there is some luminescence that arises from radioactive decay. It's indirect, but it is the basis of scintillators. For truly cheesy writing, no one beats my intro to SciFi--E.E. "Doc" Smith. Incidentally, another chemist. Warp/hyperspace/tunneling etc. are necessary to much of science fiction, so breaking through c falls under willing suspension of disbelief. Heck, space-time requires more willing suspension than most scifi.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 2, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

With zouk-as-Brigade the offensiveness is the first order of business. Zouk lives to hate, Brigade lives to offend.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 7:55 PM

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And what do you live for, lowbrainer?
If you'd ever make an intelligent post, some conservative might actually give you an intelligent response. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

Say, DDAWD, tell me again how everyone in LA loves Obama. Brian Williams was on MSNBC from there this morning. According to him, Obama is getting excoriated in the media and on the call-in shows. Not in the ivory tower, though, huh? People still talking about Bush and Cheney and Katrina I guess.

Posted by: Brigade | June 2, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Disagree, DDAWD .. where zouk-as-Moonbat etc is simply consumed with hate, eaten away by it, the offensiveness, ineveitable though it is, is incidental to the expression of hate.

With zouk-as-Brigade the offensiveness is the first order of business. Zouk lives to hate, Brigade lives to offend.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

And oh, one more thing, BB, there is far worse SF writing than that. Afriad I have to give that one to Asimov ..

".. the room was completely dark except for the occasional decay of radioactive elements in the stone walls" .. or something like that. I literally winced.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Brigade is basically zook. He mainly just has the one-liners and so forth, but can't hold an actual conversation. He's a lot less offensive, which is a huge improvement. I'll give him that.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 2, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

@BB: I allowed myself to presume that using distance as metric there meant that great piloting meant the ability to come up with a shorter "hyperstraight" trajectory, e.g. to shorten the distance to a destination far greater than 12 parsecs. Even at C that's still a 40 year journey, though, so I think your revulsion was probably accurate.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Remember when we thought we had a real conservative poster? Yeah that lasted like a half day. Turns out he's even more immature than the "democrap socialist" guy.

That's what the PgUp key is for, and it justifies the reverse chronology here.

Go ahead and show your quality, Brigade, just don't expect anyone to engage with you.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Mark Kirk said he made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs! He lied.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 2, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

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Ack! Ack! Ack! [Think Bill the Cat.] The *worst* bit of sci fi writing I've ever known. A Parsec is a unit of distance, not time. That line is always like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. Still, I can forgive that for a great character like Han Solo. Jar Jar Binks, though, deserves the death penalty.

BTW - welcome to Brigade's juvenile tactic of rewriting others' posts.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 2, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou wrote,
"The man is an untrustworthy weasel."

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What a despicable way to talk about the President.

Posted by: Brigade | June 2, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

This is, by far, worse than Blumenthal's misrepresentation. Obama put his lies in writing and ran campaign ads touting them.


Posted by: DrainYou | June 2, 2010 5:19 PM

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Agreed.

Posted by: Brigade | June 2, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD wrote,
So in all these Presidential elections, you have the guy with less experience beating the guy with more. Only exception during that span was Bush over Dukakis."

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Don't forget Dukakis's experience wearing a helmet as he rode around in a tank.

Posted by: Brigade | June 2, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

There is only one reason now to vote for Kirk and that is the other candidate is a Democrat

Posted by: wbindner | June 2, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I think Lando lost the Alabama gov. primary yesterday.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 2, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Mark Kirk said he made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs! He lied.


Wouldn't matter anyway because that's still not as fast as Han Solo, he did it in less than 12 parsecs.


Why isn't Han a Republican running for Senate in IL? I'd totally vote for him and Lando Calrissian

Posted by: DrainYou | June 2, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Any pol from IL should keep their words to a minimum and vote "present".

Posted by: leapin | June 2, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Kirk has no business holding public office anymore. He needs to resign.


Kirk has had to walk his military resume back three times now. It is virtually all he can claim as an accomplishment (beyond voting for cap and trade then promising to vote against it in the Senate). The man is an untrustworthy weasel.


Kirk's military exaggerations go way beyond Blumenthal misstating "during" versus "in" once in 2008 - this is a pattern of exaggeration and overselling his qualifications from his first campaign ad for Congress to the present day. Kirk basically introduced himself to the wider Illinois electorate with a series of lies. He went hard right on issues from his prior positions in the GOP primary, and he's done his best to not say anything on the issues since. So if the lies are revealed, he quite literally will have nothing to say to the general populace.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 2, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Kirk has no business holding public office anymore. He needs to resign.


Kirk has had to walk his military resume back three times now. It is virtually all he can claim as an accomplishment (beyond voting for cap and trade then promising to vote against it in the Senate). The man is an untrustworthy weasel.


Kirk's military exaggerations go way beyond Blumenthal misstating "during" versus "in" once in 2008 - this is a pattern of exaggeration and overselling his qualifications from his first campaign ad for Congress to the present day. Kirk basically introduced himself to the wider Illinois electorate with a series of lies. He went hard right on issues from his prior positions in the GOP primary, and he's done his best to not say anything on the issues since. So if the lies are revealed, he quite literally will have nothing to say to the general populace.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 2, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

GJJ, that's kind of the point I was making. I'm not saying the military issues have zero importance in the race, but they will pale in comparison to AlexiG's bank issues and McMahon's sanity issues.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 2, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Could it be Kirk was telling the truth and the award was really bestowed on him by the Allied Commander of the Minutemen, the Brigadier General of the Michigan Militia, or the President of the American Tea Party?
Just askin'.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 2, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

bumblingberry,
This is, by far, worse than Blumenthal's misrepresentation. Kirk put his lies in writing and ran campaign ads touting them.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 2, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing how some people will put reason aside and come to the defense of a politician who lies about his or her military recod simply because the politician happens to be a member of the political party they happen to support.

A person who will lie about his or her military record in an effort to get elected, should not be elected.

This is a simple proposition to which all but a small percentage of the public agrees.

This "your guy is a bigger liar than my guy" is a juvenile arguement and ridiculous.

Posted by: WESHS49 | June 2, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Quite frankly, these various military service claims are at worst "little white lies" when compared to the huge whopper that every American Congressman tells: "Sure, my (re-)election depends on receiving big-money campaign donations, but I'm here to represent the PEOPLE's interest."

Posted by: kcx7 | June 2, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD, military service may not be the difference-maker in presidential races, but in a relatively close, lower-level race, it might be something that tips the balance in a candidate's favor. In addition, it's something a candidate can stand on without risking having it turned around on him, and it's simple enough to break through the walls put up by voters who are dead-set against using their brains for anything before voting.

'Course, there's no guarantee that either Kirk-Giannoulias or Blumenthal-McMahon will be close, and if they aren't, neither military credentials nor possible misrepresentations of them will make a difference.

I'm wondering now how big a deal would have been made of Mark Kirk's "misstatements" (as the Fix so enjoys calling them) had Dick Blumenthal not had his own similar problems. I think we can agree neither would have seen much traction as a political issue had the other side not taken the opportunity to hammer the point home, but would Democrats have hammered Kirk so hard were there not such a delicious irony in it? And would Republicans have gone after Blumenthal as hard as they did mere moments after their own guy was accused of practically the same indiscretion?

Any moment now, I'm expecting a Republican to get embroiled in an "I'll appoint you to this position if you drop out of this race" deal. Yes, I realize there's not a feasible way for that to happen right now. Shut up!

Posted by: GJonahJameson | June 2, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The real question is does this story still have legs, especially after the Blago trial set to start tomorrow. Kirk's handling I would not characterize as uneven but rather not good. Kirk now has 2 options. Ignore the story and stick to what you said or 2 continue to get deeper into this. To me seems like an easy choice.

Posted by: iacoboni04 | June 2, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Now I wonder how much this will matter. I don't believe Reagan had ever served overseas, but he bested Carter.

Clinton beat HWBush and Dole, both WWII heroes. Clinton never served.

WBush beat Gore and Kerry. Not sure how much credit you want to give Gore, but Kerry was undeniably a war hero.

Obama beat McCain, obvious who served more here.

So in all these Presidential elections, you have the guy with less experience beating the guy with more. Only exception during that span was Bush over Dukakis.

I think people might not care that much about military service as perhaps they once did when service was essentially a prerequisite for any kind of high political ambitions. And if people don't care a lot about military service, they might not care a whole lot about misrepresentation of military service. Yeah, it can be a partisan cudgel, but might not be as effective in changing minds or votes as opposition candidates might hope.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 2, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Columbiaheights - Kirk's website claimed he served in Operation Iraqi Freedom (see Greg Sargent in WAPO, "Plum Line"). Kirk meant to say "during" rather than "in". Shades of Dick Blumenthal, who served "during" rather than "in" Vietnam. Sure sounds similar to me. There's also an AP report that says that Kirk co-authored an editorial in the Washington Times in which he claimed the same thing.

Posted by: KingMax | June 2, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Claiming YOU won an award that the unit you lead won, is a very slight stretch.

claiming YOU served in vietnam with the army you were only in the reserves is not the same at all.

the military always confuses Liberals.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 2, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, FairlingtonBlade
:)

Posted by: DrainYou | June 2, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

@CC - Suggestions for a new weekly bit. Comment of the week. DrainYou wins HANDS DOWN.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 2, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Every other picture I've ever seen of Kirk he looked 10 or 15 years younger than he looks up there. That pic looks pouchy, like some Alabama state representative plunging headlong into middle age. Politics is hell, I guess.

Thundering silence from the same wingnuts who were burning up the server lines about Blumenthal.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 2, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, wow. Thanks, bsimon.

I think this is actually worse than the award thing.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 2, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this is the same as Blumenthal. Blumenthal lied about being in Vietnam knowing he wasn't. Kirk's unit received the award while he was leading it, so a misstatement about who won it is not that big a deal, especially when he actually served in the military and received the award with the rest of his unit.

Posted by: columbiaheights | June 2, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@DrainYou
You win the internets today. I literally laughed out loud to the Star Wars reference.

Posted by: mrgjr | June 2, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

ddawd - sargent has the story. Not sure why The Fix didn't link to the post:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/kirk_campaign_mum_on_another_a.html

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 2, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans have been riding high in Illinois for months -- buoyed by Kirk's easy primary win, his remarkable fundraising and the failure of Giannoulias's family bank."

Yes, how they love it when someone's family business fails.

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

He 'served' here in the US -- never went to Iraq at all.

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I thought he was actually deployed to Afghani soil.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 2, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline writes
"The second is worser and worser. OEF is Afghanistan. OIF is Iraq. Very confusing, I know, but those who have been there don't make that mistake."

attribute the acronym SNAFU to me, not Kirk. Whatever the operation was called, he didn't actually serve in iraq.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 2, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"ddawd, there are two 'misstatements'; first the claim about winning the award (actually awarded to his unit, not to him individually), secondly about claiming to be the only Congressperson to serve in Iraq Enduring Freedom;"

The second is worser and worser. OEF is Afghanistan. OIF is Iraq. Very confusing, I know, but those who have been there don't make that mistake.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 2, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

ddawd writes
"I can't say this turns his military record into a net negative. It's one award and he still served in actual theaters. Wasn't he in Afghanistan last year?"

ddawd, there are two 'misstatements'; first the claim about winning the award (actually awarded to his unit, not to him individually), secondly about claiming to be the only Congressperson to serve in Iraq Enduring Freedom; though he didn't actually serve in Iraq. He did serve during that operation, but not in theatre - i.e. the Blumenthal mistake.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Mark Kirk is a valiant hero.

That's what he told me after leading the Rebel Alliance attack on the first Death Star.
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Posted by: DrainYou | June 2, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Latest word out of Illinois Republican Headquarters is that they are putting Kirk in for a Purple Heart - for a self-inflicted wound - in the line of duty.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | June 2, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Use the bloomies defense. If I lie less than half the time, it's OK.

Posted by: bumblingberry

Use the dingleberry defense; it doesn't matter if I do it, I'm not a Democrat. I have no principles anyway.

Posted by: jasperanselm | June 2, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I can't say this turns his military record into a net negative. It's one award and he still served in actual theaters. Wasn't he in Afghanistan last year?

Contrast that with Blumenthal for whom his ordeal, if nothing else, highlights that he never stepped foot in Vietnam.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 2, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

And yet ANOTHER GOP House rep LIES about his military service.....

>>>According to his bio page at Congress.org, which is published by the CQ-Roll Call Group, Miller served in the military between 1967 and 1968. The same information about Miller appears on a variety of other websites, including at the American Legion and Project Vote Smart, where it specifies that he served in the U.S. Army.
The Vietnam War was at its peak during the 1967-1968 period; to claim that you served during that period offers the suggestion that you saw combat or were at least deployed overseas, in the same way that saying you served in the Army in 1943 to 1944 would suggest World War II experience.

Miller never got anywhere near Vietnam. According to his military record, he spent about seven weeks in boot camp at Fort Ord, California between early-September and late-October 1967, at which point he was discharged.

http://harpers.org/archive/2010/06/hbc-90007144

Posted by: angie12106 | June 2, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

First thing tomorrow morning I'm going down to the local Navy office and signing up my Lil' Kung Fu Grip GI Joe dude for the same military "awards" that Mark Kirk has.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 2, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Use the bloomies defense. If I lie less than half the time, it's OK.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 2, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

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