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Marco Rubio, Charlie Crist and the politics of an independent bid

As Florida Gov. Charlie Crist continues to twist in the wind about his political future -- with scads of stories being written about whether or not he will ultimately run for the Senate as an independent -- former state House Speaker Marco Rubio's (R) campaign is leading the anti-Crist charge.

Rubio allies send each Crist clip far and wide -- ensuring that reporters in Florida as well as nationally see every last equivocation of the governor.

But, is Rubio's aggression in driving Crist out of the race a strategic blunder?

It's become increasingly clear over the last few months that Crist has, charitably, a very narrow path to the Republican Senate nomination. Rubio has become a conservative icon during that time while successfully branding Crist as a symbol of everything that's wrong with the party -- a image cemented by the governor's support of President Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan last year.

Polling reflects Crist's difficulties. The Real Clear Politics polling average pegs Rubio's lead at better than 20 points and the most recent poll in the race -- conducted by Quinnipiac University -- put Rubio's margin at 23 points.

That same Q poll suggests that if Crist did run as an independent, he would be in a competitive three-way general election with Rubio and Rep. Kendrick Meek (D). Under that scenario, Crist received 32 percent to 30 percent for Rubio and 24 percent for Meek. A straight head to head between Rubio and Meek, on the other hand, showed the Republican ahead by four points.

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While it's a near certainty that Crist would struggle to pull as much partisan support on election day as he currently is in the Q poll -- the governor takes 30 percent of self identified Republicans and 27 percent of self identified Democrats -- his relatively strong standing among independents (38 percent) suggests he could remain a factor through the fall campaign.

Given that reality, the best case scenario for Rubio is that Crist remain in what looks to be an unwinnable Republican primary on Aug. 24. Crist could, of course, spend heavily from his campaign warchest to ding Rubio up but the trajectory of the race is such that it's hard to imagine an attack from the governor's side that could alter things in a significant way.

The alternative -- driving Crist from the Republican primary to run as an independent -- seems far riskier for Rubio as the governor retains some modest level of support within the GOP and might be able to cobble together enough independent and Democratic backing to be a force in the fall.

The Rubio side seems to regard the Crist switch as inevitable and are working to do everything they can to ensure that -- if it is happens -- the switch is painted in the most political of lights.

Fair enough. But "Charlie Crist, Republican" is far less dangerous to Rubio's chances of being a senator next year than "Charlie Crist, Independent".

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 16, 2010; 10:55 AM ET
Categories:  Senate  | Tags: Charlie Crist, Kendrick Meek, Marco Rubio, United States Senate  
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The NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER will resist if necessary any pressure from democrats to name any hurricane HOWDY as this may cause
unnecessary concern among the Florida electorate involved in choosing the next governor.

Posted by: Scatterthevultures | April 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I really do hope that Gov. Crist runs for the Senate in Florida as an Independent because he may be able to help rescue the GOP from its fringe ideological wing. This would really be a proxy race for the heart and soul of the GOP in my opinion where Marco Rubio would be a symbol of the fringe Limbaugh and Palin wing of the Republican Party just like how Ned Lamont was a symbol of the fringe MoveOn and Daily Kos wing of the Democratic Party in 2006. Ned Lamont's loss was a devastating blow to the fringe left in the Democratic Party while they would have had viewed it as being a mandate if Lamont won. Charlie Crist either winning (or at least causing Marco Rubio to lose) in 2010 would be just as devastating of a blow to the fringe right wing as Ned Lamont's loss was to the fringe left wing in 2006 while they will view it as being a huge mandate if Rubio wins.

Mitch Dworkin
Dallas, Texas

Posted by: MitchDworkin | April 20, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Marco (Pretty Pollo) Rubio is like an empty bucket of chicken. You are just buying the hot air inside.

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL. Dispose of trash in proper receptacles.

Posted by: Scatterthevultures | April 20, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I am unfamiliar with Florida election law. The article doesn't seem to address the possibility of Crist losing in the primary and then deciding to run as an Independent candidate anyway. What's to stop him from doing that?

Posted by: petergynt | April 20, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Both the "journalist" AND the posters have missed a MAJOR factor in the Florida Senatorial race. Gov. Crist pushed the Florida primary to one of the first in the nation in 2008. He then set up 70+ year old "centrist" John McLame. McCain made defamatory comments over the weekend about Florida's preferred candidate (Romney) to fall under the McCain-Feingold law preventing candidates from defending themselves. And, the rest is history. Hell yes we're for Rubio.

Posted by: IQ168 | April 19, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Marco (Pretty Pollo) Rubio is a steaming heap of chicken SB6.

Charlie Crist will clean the coop.

Posted by: Scatterthevultures | April 19, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Marco (Pretty Pollo) Rubio is a steaming heap of chicken SB6.

Charlie Crist will clean the coop.

Posted by: Scatterthevultures | April 19, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Well know we know...

v!codin is a prohibited word on The Fix.

But morphine, heroin, oxycontin, opium,
and so on are not

Too bad, I thought my joke was funny.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama went to NASA to talk about the space program.


Obama says he wants to go to Mars.

Fine with me.

Half the country would like him to LEAVE TOMORROW.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I think it's instructive that Tea Parties and 37th remain so fixated with doomsday conspiracies and plotlines that blend a little bit of "Lost" with a lot of "Left Behind."

It's a no-lose situation for Obama. Every seat the Dems lost to a Glenn Beck clone means 2 years of independents going, "Oh... my... God...." That assumes they lose seats. I still think this election looks much, much different by October. Assuming, you know, the sky hasn't fallen yet.

Posted by: starthom | April 16, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks bgreen2224


That was good for a laugh.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

To: 37thandO

I apologize for the public nature of this post, but I'm faced with the overriding need to communicate with you about a very serious matter and having no private way to do it.

I've been carefully reading your posts the last few weeks and I have come to the conclusion that you have reached a level of personal crisis that suggests intervention of a professional nature is not only necessary, but without it you could be at serious risk of hurting yourself.

Of course, you know you display very disturbing indications of narcissism and it's clear that your need for approval and companionship are now dominating your writing behavior. But you probably aren't aware that left untreated, the condition will worsen and worsen quickly.

Please, take youself out of the game for a while and consult a professional. Again, sorry to break it to you this way, but I felt obligated.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | April 16, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

'Washington DC (April 16, 2010) - Obama today cancelled the 2010 Congressional Elections, stating that there was too much racism in the electorate.


"We have to find a way to get rid of all these racists," Obama stated.


"In order to vote, all voters are going to have prove that they are not racist - and we are going to have to come up with some tests so that people can prove they are not racist."

From 37 --wtf is this racist nutbag going on about now?


Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is courting real disaster in Florida. Crist is a powerful force if he's running straight=up against Rubio in November. He is popular with moderate Republicans, independents and even many Democrats. He will beat Rubio if he decides to go indie, and he will not be in a friendly mood towards Republicans once he gets to Washington. His main pal will be Obama...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | April 16, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CANCELS 2010 ELECTIONS


Washington DC (April 16, 2010) - Obama today cancelled the 2010 Congressional Elections, stating that there was too much racism in the electorate.


"We have to find a way to get rid of all these racists," Obama stated.


"In order to vote, all voters are going to have prove that they are not racist - and we are going to have to come up with some tests so that people can prove they are not racist."


"Did you hear what they were saying in Washington DC yesterday - carrying signs and all ? We know that when they talk about the trillion dollar deficit and high taxes, they really mean they are racist."


Obviously, African-Americans will not have to take the tests in order to vote - so "Maybe we will have a few elections with only blacks voting - just until we devise the tests for racism," Obama stated.


Obama has asked all the present Congress to stay on until he can figure out a way to get rid of all the racists so they won't vote. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid said that although it might be a hardship, they would be willing to stay in office past the expiration of their current terms.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

shrink2


The comments sections on the articles in the Post are much worse - and much more vicious -


I don't really believe that a guy like kruez missile was away for a year.


I think it was one of the usual posters on here, just bringing up an old screen name.

Meanwhile, there is still a group on here which wants to harass and drive away anyone who does not agree with them - they just want to see one point of view expressed.


Thank you.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Margaret

You are wrong - as always


So if you like Crist, move to Florida and vote for him.

Otherwise, the people in Florida will decide who their Senator is.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

This blog is special.
I think the fact that no one knows why has led to the Post's decision to leave it alone, just to see what happens. It is not that it is so wonderful, it is just, well, special.

There is no recipe for newspaper survival. But everyone is sure the future will not involve paper products, except perhaps as a money losing, market share place holder for awhile.

So they are all experimenting. In business, brand loyalty is trump. So the whole Fixista, Chris talking about his brand in the third person and this site's predictability is what is being cultivated.

Did you notice when they dialed back the TMI, the Facebook feed, the list widgets?
They are experimenting with a business model.

Relentless posters create data that look good in the short term. Sure they drive away other people, but they are, after all relentless. And since they ignore their rules, down there, everyones else does too. People flout the rules. But then, that makes them brand loyal...they get to come here and act out.

The dysfunctional social networking/chat room aspect of this place accounts for most of its traffic and certainly comprises its most brand loyal posters. How many times have we seen people spend hours trying to get others to leave, even as they threaten to leave, as if they really meant it, this time?

When kreuz_missle came back, "after a year abroad" he was annoyed enough to comment on, "the same people saying the same things." But to the WaPo, that smells like
victory.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on why Chris C likes having him around so much?

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@37thand0street

Ya scream Racism....

Ya scream Freedom of Speach....

Ya scream and scream and scream....

Ya scream for ice cream....

and frozen desserts is all you understand.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | April 16, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

My oldest brother is a Hoya, Class of '74
he is really smart and as I remember, so were his friends. My brother actually worked in the Capitol building as and undergrad, doing robo letter signatures in the basement for the late great (though tragically alcoholic) Senator Harold Hughes (D) Iowa.

Anyway, have admission standards tanked there? The morning voice seems to have at least an average IQ, but the later it gets...I seriously have chronically mentally ill clients who can think and communicate more coherently. It is hard to imagine this is the work product of a Jesuit college student. They are big on literacy. Saint Ignatius (Loyola) would be disappointed, I am sure.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I have stated my theory that the computer at 37th and sc0ld is owned by the young Republicans of GU. Whoever happens to be there posts, hence the range of voices in their posts.

I like the idea of Crist being elected, just so the GOP leadership has to deal with him... and the Centerfold from Massachusetts and the Maine Moderates (currently lying really low).

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Agree Margaret, Crist isn't going to fade away. It is ON.

Meanwhile, maybe Bondosan was right about the rapid cycling over on the corner.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CANCELS 2010 ELECTIONS


Washington DC (April 16, 2010) - Obama today cancelled the 2010 Congressional Elections, stating that there was too much racism in the electorate.


"We have to find a way to get rid of all these racists," Obama stated.


"In order to vote, all voters are going to have prove that they are not racist - and we are going to have to come up with some tests so that people can prove they are not racist."


"Did you hear what they were saying in Washington DC yesterday - carrying signs and all ? We know that when they talk about the trillion dollar deficit and high taxes, they really mean they are racist."

Obviously, African-Americans will not have to take the tests in order to vote - so "Maybe we will have a few elections with only blacks voting - just until we devise the tests for racism," Obama stated.


Obama has asked all the present Congress to stay on until he can figure out a way to get rid of all the racists so they won't vote. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid said that although it might be a hardship, they would be willing to stay in office past the expiration of their current terms.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Crist's Reoublican money train is slowing. He has a new campaign manager, right? I figure the new manager will get a couple of months to bring in the Republican money still available. Crist will stay in strong as a Republican to get that money. Once he declares he's running as an Independent there will be a NEW cash stream available to him and we will have NY CD23, with a lot of outside money flying in to the race.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

GJonahJameson


FYI, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlaws any actions which interfere with the exercise of civil rights, of which Freedom of Speech is one.


DDAWD, broadwayjoe and others here are seeking to interfere with Freedom of Speech.


It is pretty simple - if someone interfered with someone going to vote, you would identify that pretty quickly - but the constant harassment on this board is out-of-control.

AND for your part, I don't care if you don't like the content of my speech.

The liberals on this board are sounding like totalitarian communists more and more. What is wrong with you ?????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Further polarizing RepubliKKKan support is the idea....the more extreme their party appears and becomes the better.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | April 16, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

You need to do a better analysis of what would happen if Crist went independent. Why, for example, wouldn't the Dems rally around Meek? He has been steadily moving up in the polls. Why would the average Dem want to send a Republican senator to Washington? Also, why wouldn't Republicans start to even more firmly coalesce around Rubio? Crist started out his campaign with his support being a mile wide and an inch deep. Rubio has seriously exposed this. It seems that if Crist goes Indie, he would come in a weak 3rd place. Much of his remaining GOP support would leave him. If you use Lieberman as an example, he has been in office for decades and had broad support across the state. Crist is relatively new. He is also being pulled down by a bad economy, fairly or not. Rubio would do well with Latino voters, and conservatives. He seems to be in the driver's seat and is doing quite well. He might split the younger voters with Meek. Also, geographically, Rubio has a big advantage in Southern Florida, in the Panhandle and would do well in the Route 4 corridor. Meek will put up a good show, I just don't know where Crist thinks he will get support? At this point, he can only wait for Rubio to make a huge mistake, which is not a winning campaign strategy.
If Crist pulled out, he could save what is left of his name and run for Nelson's seat in 2 years.

Posted by: gckarcher | April 16, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If a conservative/Tea Party candidate was hinting that he was going to run as independent if he loses the primary, WaPo would be full of articles criticizing the candidate for selfishly trying to blow up the GOP's chances. However, "moderate" Charlie Crist does just that and no one at WaPo comments on the lack of integrity.

Posted by: Buffal0Bill | April 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Frick. Apologies for the triple post. I kept getting "The page cannot be displayed" when I clicked "Submit."

Posted by: GJonahJameson | April 16, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Crist would have to grow a pair to run as an indie....worth supporting if he does.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | April 16, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

A note from scrivener: The multiple posts below were unintentional. My computer connection indicated that attempts to post were unsuccessful because "the connection was reset."

Apparently, this was a "spoofed" or faked message inserted into my datastream by a rogue government surveillance-censorship regime that operates in apparent defiance of the chain of command.

How dare I make such an accusation? Because my reporting indicates that's the truth:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/how-u-s-spy-ops-censor-web-political-speech

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 16, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Is something wrong with this site again? Seems hiccupy. When reading about the various 'Confederate History Months' happening now, came across this:

"It is very hard to avoid the direct link between the Ku Klux Klan and the Confederacy. Lee surrendered on April 9th. And a month later on May 9 one of his most radical Generals, Nathan Beford Forrest ‘surrendered’. He didn’t leave the field of battle for long. He went home to Tennessee and on December 24 in Pulaski Tennessee a group of Confederate Veterans met and formed the Ku Klux Klan. Whether or not Forester was at or involved with that meeting is lost to history, but by 1867 he was widely acknowledged as the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. By 1868 he was bragging to newspapers that the KKK had 40,000 members in Tennessee and 550,000 across the South (I imagine that most were former Confederate getting back together with their units for a little camaraderie and domestic terrorism on the side)."

From their 1925 manual;

"The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is a movement devoting itself to the needed task of developing a genuine spirit of American patriotism. Klansmen are to be examples of pure patriotism. They are to organize the patriotic sentiment of native-born white, Protestant Americans for the defense of distinctively American institutions. Klansmen are dedicated to the principle that America shall be made American through the promulgation of American doctrines, the dissemination of American ideals, the creation of wholesome American sentiment, the preservation of American institutions."

Sounds very TP, eh?

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

AP story is all too familiar.
Democrats all over the place.
Republicans united in opposition...
making massive amounts of money,
as another industry regulates
its government.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack vowed Friday to veto a financial overhaul bill that doesn't regulate the eclectic derivatives market, even as Senate Republicans lined up en mass against it.

Legislation pending in Congress would for the first time regulate derivatives, complex financial instruments like the mortgage-backed securities that contributed to a near economic meltdown in 2008 when their value plummeted during the housing crisis.

Obama said he wants derivatives to be strongly regulated, and he added that he's ready to veto any financial reform bill that comes to his desk without it.

But there's some dispute among Democrats about how far such regulation should go.

Further complicating matters Friday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell obtained signatures from 40 fellow GOP senators voicing opposition to the Senate bill and demanding further negotiations.

McConnell, R-Ky., won the support of one last holdout --Sen. Susan Collins of Maine -- increasing his leverage as Democrats prepare to bring the legislation to the floor for debate.

The unified GOP stance came as a setback for majority Democrats who were hunting for individual Republicans to peel away from their party caucus to help the Democrats get the necessary 60 votes to overcome a likely procedural roadblock.

''We are united in our opposition to the partisan legislation reported by the Senate Banking Committee,'' the Republicans said in a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Attention mainstream media journalists:

Politics is like covering sports -- until the "strategery" involves covert domestic torture, financial sabotage, and vigilante community domestic terrorism under the cover of government-funded volunteer programs. Are YOU among the "targets?" Are President Obama and other political leaders, now, or in the recent past?

***

Victims of nationwide federal-local silent microwave/RF assault demand:

"MR. OBAMA, TEAR DOWN THOSE HOMELAND CELLULAR TORTURE TOWERS!"

"Project Geneva" -- You cannot wait. You must act now. The operatives running this covert system will not stand down unless they are forcefully and publicly TAKEN DOWN.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 16, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

whee, that was fun!

Ok, noa, you win. I don't think Chris is unaware of this bullsh*t.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

FYI, 37thand0street, the First Amendment affords you protection from prosecution for speaking freely, but it doesn't afford you protection from being told to shut up. It's the same reason why it's legal for your boss to fire you if you call him a stupid jerk. Likewise, on a Web site owned by a private entity like the Washington Post, were your account to be banned because of anything you've said, it would all be perfectly legal. Chris could ban everyone who criticizes his writing or his ethics -- which seems to happen like 100 times a day -- and would face no legal repercussions, though he would pay a pentalty in the form of significantly less Web traffic.

Not that I'm saying you should be banned. Just that it wouldn't be as illegal as you seem to think.

If telling someone to shut up were a crime, I would be facing so many criminal charges levied by the neighbors I had in college who would blast the Dave Matthews Band at maximum volume at 3 a.m. on school nights.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | April 16, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

whee, that was fun!

Ok, noa, you win. I don't think Chris is unaware of this bullsh*t.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

FYI, 37thand0street, the First Amendment affords you protection from prosecution for speaking freely, but it doesn't afford you protection from being told to shut up. It's the same reason why it's legal for your boss to fire you if you call him a stupid jerk. Likewise, on a Web site owned by a private entity like the Washington Post, were your account to be banned because of anything you've said, it would all be perfectly legal. Chris could ban everyone who criticizes his writing or his ethics -- which seems to happen like 100 times a day -- and would face no legal repercussions, though he would pay a pentalty in the form of significantly less Web traffic.

If telling someone to shut up were a crime, I would be facing so many criminal charges levied by the neighbors I had in college who would blast the Dave Matthews Band at maximum volume at 3 a.m. on school nights.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | April 16, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

FYI, 37thand0street, the First Amendment affords you protection from prosecution for speaking freely, but it doesn't afford you protection from being told to shut up. It's the same reason why it's legal for your boss to fire you if you call him a stupid jerk. Likewise, on a Web site owned by a private entity like the Washington Post, were your account to be banned because of anything you've said, it would all be perfectly legal. Chris could ban everyone who criticizes his writing or his ethics -- which seems to happen like 100 times a day -- and would face no legal repercussions, though he would pay a pentalty in the form of significantly less Web traffic.

If telling someone to shut up were a crime, I would be facing so many criminal charges levied by the neighbors I had in college who would blast the Dave Matthews Band at maximum volume at 3 a.m. on school nights.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | April 16, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Attention mainstream media journalists:

Politics is like covering sports -- until the "strategery" involves covert domestic torture, financial sabotage, and vigilante community domestic terrorism under the cover of government-funded volunteer programs. Are YOU among the "targets?" Are President Obama and other political leaders, now, or in the recent past?

***

Victims of nationwide federal-local silent microwave/RF assault demand:

"MR. OBAMA, TEAR DOWN THOSE HOMELAND CELLULAR TORTURE TOWERS!"

"Project Geneva" -- You cannot wait. You must act now. The operatives running this covert system will not stand down unless they are forcefully and publicly TAKEN DOWN.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 16, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

whee, that was fun!

Ok, noa, you win. I don't think Chris is unaware of this bullsh*t.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Attention mainstream media journalists:

Politics is like covering sports -- until the "strategery" involves covert domestic high-tech torture, financial sabotage, and vigilante community terrorism under the cover of government-funded volunteer programs. Are YOU among the "targets?" Are President Obama and other political leaders, now, or in the recent past?

***

Victims of nationwide federal-local silent microwave/RF assault demand:

"MR. OBAMA, TEAR DOWN THOSE HOMELAND CELLULAR TORTURE TOWERS!"

"Project Geneva" -- You cannot wait. You must act now. The operatives running this covert system will not stand down unless they are forcefully and publicly TAKEN DOWN.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 16, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Attention mainstream media journalists:

Politics is like covering sports -- until the "strategery" involves covert domestic torture and the politics of personal destruction. Are YOU among the "targets?" Are President Obama and other political leaders, now, or in the recent past?

***

Victims of nationwide federal-local silent microwave/RF assault demand:

"MR. OBAMA, TEAR DOWN THOSE HOMELAND CELLULAR TORTURE TOWERS!"

"Project Geneva" -- You cannot wait. You must act now. The operatives running this covert system will not stand down unless they are forceably and publicly TAKEN DOWN.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 16, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Stock market close today will be skookum medicine.

Gov. sues Goldman, an amazing move for what I have been chiding as the Obama Sachs presidency. But housing starts are up, BoA made money and GE beats expectations...sort of.

The 11,000/1200 threshold is tested buyers brought the Dow back, S&P, we'll see...is this the new floor?

Oh, this is a political blog you say?

There is no greater political force in America today than the answer to the question, is this recovery real?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

It is almost a crime that thoughtful Republicans like Charlie Christ are being pushed aside by the extreme ranting of an emotional few. Maybe there is a blessing in disguise - perhaps Christ will become a democrat.


http://thefiresidepost.com/2010/04/16/the-criminal-paradigm-fiddling-around-on-the-roof/

Posted by: glclark4750 | April 16, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Stock market close today will be skookum medicine.

Gov. sues Goldman, an amazing move for what I have been chiding as the Obama Sachs presidency. But housing starts are up, BoA made money and GE beats expectations...sort of.

The 11,000/1200 threshold is tested buyers brought the Dow back, S&P, we'll see...is this the new floor?

Oh, this is a political blog you say?

There is no greater political force in America today than the answer to the question, is this recovery real?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Attention mainstream media journalists:

Politics is like covering sports -- until the "strategery" involves covert domestic high-tech torture, financial sabotage, and vigilante community terrorism under the cover of government-funded volunteer programs. Are YOU among the "targets?" Are President Obama and other political leaders, now, or in the recent past?

***

Victims of nationwide federal-local silent microwave/RF assault demand:

"MR. OBAMA, TEAR DOWN THOSE HOMELAND CELLULAR TORTURE TOWERS!"

"Project Geneva" -- You cannot wait. You must act now. The operatives running this covert system will not stand down unless they are forcefully and publicly TAKEN DOWN.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 16, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The real tragedy is that thoughtful Republicans are being pushed aside for the emotional rants of extremism. I know these people - there is no reasoning with them ............

http://thefiresidepost.com/2010/04/12/personal-experience-with-tea-bag-mentality/

Posted by: glclark4750 | April 16, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Andy wrote, "It could get very interesting."

So understated, such dry humor. Could this get any more interesting?

Political stories that get more, not less interesting over time are a wonderful antidote to all the scandals, the boring, repetitive stunts, soporific press releases and upsets we can see coming way ahead of the votes.

In this case, no one has any idea what the story between now and the day after the election is going to be. Pure fun.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd


I have to remind you that Freedom of Speech is a Civil Right - and your attempts to silence your opposition is a VIOLATION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1984.


YOU SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL.

FOR A LONG TIME.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The little bump that Obama got from the pictures from the nuclear summit is gone already - I really can not believe how bad Obama's job performance has been.


Think about it - outside of actually making speeches in favor of BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY, could Obama have done a worse job?

The liberals must be really upset.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

rubio is what's wrong with GOP politics today... hate presented as "conservatism", labeling moderates as "weak", attacking the person not the ideas.

Posted by: newagent99 | April 16, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

President Obama rarely does news conferences and when he does he takes fluff questions from the Yakima Valley, left-handed, LGBT, bi-monthly soccer revue and when they ask him whether he likes Pop-Tarts or Eggos in the morning, and he filibusters for 15 minutes. There’s your first amendment in action right there, folks.

Bottom line, the media cannot get off its template very easily, if at all. They put this guy in office, and they know it, and they know we all know it. Obama knows it too. He knows it as he sneaks off to somewhere to smoke another Marlboro. He knows this media does not have the guts to ask why a president who smokes maybe a couple of packs a day becomes known as the “healthcare president.” Were he a Republican he’d be called a hypocrite and the issue would be over.

Now, there are many more important issues than the president and his smoking habit, but I bring that up only to mention how pathetic the media has become. The same folks who brought us Woodward and Bernstein don’t have the guts to ask this president the most simple of questions. He can ditch them, send them packing after 30 seconds, refuse to answer questions and give press conferences that are as rare and meaningless as a reporter’s manual typewriter, or a photographers old three-quarter- inch videotape machine. Not to worry, he’s the president and the media belong to him.

Grow some. He’s laughing at you.
Occasionally a media person actually stands up and asks tough questions, but they are usually from Fox News and they get ignored by the rest of the LAMBS (Leftist Activist Media Boobs) who still spend much of their time worshiping at the feat of their Dear Leader. Plus, they never get second interviews. Done, buddy, go back to the edit bay and watch the union guy put together your story on the big Concrete Convention coming to town.


Ron Futrell

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 16, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is the President avoiding press conferences? Well, if you recall, the most recent presser prior to last Tuesday’s was the July 22, 2009 press conference in the East Room of the White House. That one ended with this two-part question posed by Chicago Sun-Times Washington Bureau Chief Lynn Sweet: “Mr. President, recently, Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. was arrested at his home in Cambridge. What does that incident say to you? And what does it say about race relations in America?”

This prompted Obama’s catastrophically presumptuous comment that the Cambridge police “acted stupidly,” a remark that ignited a week-long firestorm that only an absurdly-staged Beer Summit could extinguish. Who wouldn’t acquire an acute case of selective aphasia after that episode?

But this unfortunate incident also helps answer the second question. What makes a so-called Great Communicator great? And is Obama really a great communicator?

During the same 265-day time period when he studiously avoided press conferences, Obama delivered dozens of prepared speeches to friendly audiences, most to pitch his pet project, “Health Care Reform.” Obama also granted dozens of interviews, the overwhelming majority of them, not surprisingly, to MSM interviewers sympathetic to his policies. In these interviews and prepared speeches, the President is often positively logorrheic. Witness Obama’s rambling, desultory, 17-minute (!) non-answer answer to this simple direct question asked by an attendee at the April 2 Health Care forum: “Is it a wise decision to add more taxes to us with the health care? We are overtaxed as it is.” He could have just said: “Yes.”

But no:

Incredibly—and paradoxically—out of all those hundreds of prepared remarks and serpentine professorial monologues, one is hard-pressed to come up with even one memorable phrase, one catchy sound bite, one “Ask not what your country can do for you” Bartlett moment in the vast Obama concordance. If brevity really is the sister of talent, then loquacity is its doddering grandfather.

It’s a notion commonly peddled by both Democrats and the MSM that President Obama is a “master communicator.” This notion is repeated by liberal television pundit and scribe ad nauseam apparently in the belief that endless repetition can turn Wish into Truth.

Yet empirical evidence and closer scrutiny suggest that Mr. Obama is actually less Great Communicator than Serial Monologist, in the vein of Jerry Seinfeld, the late George Carlin (sans profanity), or even (brace yourself) Glenn Beck. And frankly, all three of them talk rings around him.

Gregg Opelka

for sale in 2012. Used teleprompter. Leans left.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 16, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd


I have to remind you that Freedom of Speech is a Civil Right - and your attempts to silence your opposition is a VIOLATION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1984.

YOU SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL.


FOR A LONG TIME. - AND PUT IN A CELL NEXT TO BROADWAYJOE.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

If Obama really tries to push through Cap and Trade right now, he will only be VALIDATING the claims that he is TRYING TO DESTROY THE ECONOMY.


It is plain and simple.

The Tea Party will only get stronger too.

How stupid can he be?

At that point, the liberals should be demanding that Obama resign. Seriously folks, there is no other way around it.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the 37th+O cabal had a shift change.

Chris, any thought to getting rid of this guy??

Also, are you chatting today?

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

By the way to all you trying to say the Tea Party is violent


YESTERDAYS SCORE:


Tea Party Violence: ZERO

Just Obama's hometown of Chicago: 19 shot, 7 dead.

THAT WAS YESTERDAY.


Case closed.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps calculating that removing relatively small amounts of fissile material from stable friendly countries didn't quite do the trick, Obama proudly announced that the U.S. and Russia were disposing of 68 tons of plutonium. Unmentioned was the fact that this agreement was reached 10 years ago -- and, under the new protocol, doesn't begin to dispose of the plutonium until 2018. Feeling safer now?

This followed a softening of the U.S. nuclear deterrent posture (sparing non-proliferation compliant states from U.S. nuclear retaliation if they launch a biochemical attack against us) -- a change so bizarre and literally unbelievable that even Hillary Clinton couldn't get straight what retaliatory threat remains on the table.

A timely reminder: Syria has just been discovered transferring lethal Scud missiles to Hezbollah, the Middle East's most powerful non-state terrorist force. This is the same Syria that was secretly building a North Korean-designed nuclear reactor until the Israeli air force destroyed the facility three years ago.

But not to worry. Canadian uranium is secured. A nonbinding summit communique has been issued. And a "Work Plan" has been agreed to.

Oh yes. And there will be another summit in two years. The dream lives on.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 16, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The issue with Crist is that he is a republican trying to appease all sides of every issue. Fl is a pretty diverse state which has historically been pretty GOP oriented. For the most part he is pretty conservative but tried to ride the Obama wave and it has really hurt him with ultra conservatives in the state.

He hasn't been a bad Gov here but the balanced budget process our Gov's haver to live within makes them live within their means and they don't dare raise taxes on the retirees here.

I don't think he has been very good for the business community and hasn't made economic development a top issue. I have mixed feelings on him and couldn't honestly say who I will vote for at this point.

Posted by: tbastian | April 16, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Liberal critics derided President Bush for engaging in cowboy diplomacy, or "going alone." Those same critics neglect to notice that Obama is employing a more dubious strategy than Bush. Obama has pursued a confused and aimless foreign policy based on the idea that he can personally sway foreign heads of state with his charisma. Unfortunately for our nation his "follow me because I'm charismatic" policy has proven to be devastatingly ineffective. Obama alienates our friends and appears cowardly by appeasing our enemies.

Obama was elected promising to improve the standing of America in the world; he has failed miserably. In September, Obama agreed to Russian demands and abandoned the Eastern European missile shield. This alienated allies Poland and the Czech Republic, who had risked much to participate in the shield, only to see Obama turn his back on them. This move signaled other countries that America does not stick by her agreements. Obama showed he will abandon America's friends when it is politically expedient.

Obama further caved to Russia by signing a nuclear agreement that could have been written by Putin himself. Obama gave the Russians everything they wanted without negotiating any significant benefits in return.With this treaty as a backdrop Obama called a nuclear summit. Two of our closest allies skipped the event. Then Obama earned complaints from the foreign press because the whole event was essentially held in secret. Aside from agreeing on certain platitudes, the summit accomplished nothing.

Neither Gordon Brown nor Benjamin Netanyahu attended the nuclear summit. According to Nile Gardiner of the London Telegraph, Obama treats both these allies with "sneering contempt."What has Obama achieved? China has refused to make concessions regarding its monetary policy, or move to put pressure on Iran. Ahmadinejad continues mocking Obama and the international community by pushing forward with Iran's nuclear ambitions. Obama has yet to get any new commitments for new troops in Afghanistan. Obama's position of negotiating through weakness is damaging the credibility of our once great nation.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 16, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Gallenod writes
"The question is, though, the same as with Lieberman: would Crist caucus with the Republicans or with the Democrats?"

Huge question, tough for Crist to answer. He might go with something like "in my heart I'm a Republican, but will not vote in lockstep with the reactionary, obstructionist leadership that has driven the voice of reason from the party."

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 16, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The people at Goldman Sachs should be thrown in jail and all the assets should be seized by the government.


Any other business in America that operated like they have - that is what would happen to them.


It is about time that the government takes serious and firm action - they have to do it - EVERYONE says that if something is not done, Wall Street will do it again. It is the government's job to make sure it does not happen again - plain and simple.

Throw them all in jail, seize their PERSONAL bank accounts.

Seize the HOUSES, the vacation homes, the boats EVERYTHING - AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

RUBIO IS THE ANTICRIST.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Crist should consider very carefully where this is going to put him in a few years.


It is the Lieberman problem - is he now in or out?

From the overall point of view of the Senate in Washington - one of them is going to win, so it really doesn't matter.


This is a problem the entire nation is going to be facing fairly soon - BOTH parties want to get rid of their moderates.

Yea, the guys with high name recognition and who are in office can survive - because they can still raise the money and play on their name recognition

However, the upstarts have none of that.

The middle of the political spectrum is falling about.

It's going to be the Rubios v. the far left in a death match.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Blarg,
One problem with your example is that Mihos was d-bag who had no buisness running for dog catcher much less Governer.

The better comparison would be the Lieberman election. Once he made the plunge he won handidly. One problem with that election though was that the GOP candidate was a joke. In this case their will be three legitimate candidates. It could get very interesting.

Posted by: AndyR3 | April 16, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I would greatly enjoy seeing Crist run and win the Senate seat as an independent. Much like Lieberman winning in Connecticut shook up the Democrat's ultra-progressive wing, this would provide a similar shock to the GOP's ultra-conservative wing.

Quite frankly, I’d like to see more credible center-moderate candidates running idenpendently of the traditional party machines. It would give those of us who have reservations about both main parties someone to vote for. And if they start winning it could drag one or both parties more towards the middle.

(Though it would be a much shorter trip for the Democrats, at the moment.)

The question is, though, the same as with Lieberman: would Crist caucus with the Republicans or with the Democrats?

Posted by: Gallenod | April 16, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I think Crist will make the jump and I think he should do it now. And if Crist were smart he would ask Joe Lieberman and Lincoln Chafee to join him when he makes the announcement.
If he can get them to join him he could brand his move as part of "The Rise of the Independent". He should then say that basically he is a fiscal conservative, but that he can not stand by with blind allegiance to the hate and vitriol he sees from the far-right and the far-left. His immediate goal will be to not attack and run a strictly positive campaign about how to fix the problems facing america (have a plan for addressing the deficit and debt etc)

Posted by: AndyR3 | April 16, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

On Tuesday, Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, called for the abolition of municipal fire departments.

Firefighters, he declared, “won’t solve the problems that led to recent fires. They will make them worse.” The existence of fire departments, he went on, “not only allows for taxpayer-funded bailouts of burning buildings; it institutionalizes them.” He concluded, “The way to solve this problem is to let the people who make the mistakes that lead to fires pay for them. We won’t solve this problem until the biggest buildings are allowed to burn.”

O.K., I fibbed a bit. Mr. McConnell said almost everything I attributed to him, but he was talking about financial reform, not fire reform. In particular, he was objecting not to the existence of fire departments, but to legislation that would give the government the power to seize and restructure failing financial institutions."

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Generally, people like the idea of an independent candidate, but they vote for a major party. In 2006 in MA we had an independent in the governor's race. He polled as high as 20% in March and April, but ended up with 7%.

Crist would probably be more successful than the average independent, since he has name recognition and real experience. But he'll lack the organization and money of major-party candidates, and that will hurt him more and more as Election Day approaches. I'm not saying he shouldn't run as an independent, but his road will be harder than the Q poll indicates.

Posted by: Blarg | April 16, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

he should switch so florida doesn't wind up with rubio. crist will be the next senator from florida if he goes independent.

Posted by: ebproducer | April 16, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Chairman Zero wants you to know, the best part about his awesomeness is how humble he is about it.


United States president Barack Obama says he and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd share several personality traits - one of which is humility.

"He was quite expansive and quite genuine on what he saw as the commonality and connections between [he and Mr Rudd]. One of which was humility," O'Brien said.
At a Dramacrap Fundraiser yesterday, Captain Humility attacked the Tea Party Patriots for their ingratitude.


"You would think they should be saying thank you," the president said to applause.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 16, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

If Crist goes independent and moves to the middle, he wins.

With Rubio, there is no 'there' there.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Its hard to see how Rubio attracts more votes if Crist goes independent. With Crist & Meek fighting for the middle, Rubio is stuck with the right fringe & straight-ticket GOP voters; is there a path for him to get more than 30% of the vote in that scenario?

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 16, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

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