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Can Marco Rubio find a second act?

Did Marco Rubio win the Republican Party nomination four months too early?

Two months ago, the former Florida state House speaker was a national GOP star -- a young, Hispanic conservative who had the chutzpah to take on Florida Gov. -- and overwhelming favorite -- Charlie Crist (I) for the GOP Senate nod

Since then, Crist has bolted the Republican Party to run as an independent, the BP oil spill has ravaged the Gulf Coast and former Democratic frontrunner Kendrick Meek now faces his own intra-party challenge from billionaire developer Jeff Greene. That trio of unexpected developments has transformed the race and Rubio seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle -- at least for the moment.

Polling confirms the fact that Rubio's candidacy, which was ascendant as he bashed Crist as insufficiently committed to the Republican cause, has not seen that same sense of momentum since the governor fled the primary.

In an April Quinnipiac poll conducted two weeks before Crist announced he was pursuing an independent bid, Crist led the way with 32 percent followed by Rubio at 30 percent and Rep. Kendrick Meek (D) at 24 percent.

An early June Quinnipiac poll showed Crist at 37 percent to Rubio's 33 percent. Meek took just 17 percent.

(Worth noting: While Rubio's upward movement has been stunted, that's a far better place to be than where Meek finds himself -- rapidly bleeding support thanks to Crist's direct appeals to Democrats on education among other issues.)

Rubio's camp brushed aside the impact of the recent developments on the logic of his candidacy. A campaign official acknowledged that the campaign has shifted to a somewhat more "below-the-radar" mode, but pointed to Rubio's active schedule and insisted that the current investment of time and resources will pay off in November.

(Rubio held two town halls and a roundtable with local officials and first responders today on the Florida panhandle following a two-day swing along the I-4 corridor.)

National Republicans also remain confident that Rubio is a strong candidate with unique appeal in the state. National Republican Senatorial Committee spokeswoman Amber Marchand insisted that the "contentious" primary fight between Meek and Greene coupled with Crist's "complete lack of principles" makes GOP strategists more than comfortable with their nominee's current positioning in the race.

Still, it's clear that Rubio's foil in this campaign was Crist and, without the governor to kick around anymore, the fast-rising Republican doesn't appear to be so fast rising anymore.

The disappearance of a "foil" candidate spoiling what looks like a sure thing victory isn't new. In 2002, businessman Doug Forrester was cruising to a victory over embattled Sen. Bob Torricelli (D); Torricelli dropped out of the race in October and was replaced on the ballot by former Sen. Frank Lautenberg. Forrester lost.

The comparison is inexact in that Rubio will still be able to run against Crist since both men will be on the November ballot. But, Crist's party switch robbed Rubio of what almost certainly would have been a decisive primary victory in late August -- a win that would have amped up the "Rubio as Republican star" narrative heading into the stretch run of the race.

With the absence of Crist to run against, Rubio must find ways to not only draw press coverage -- Crist remains considerably better known than Rubio, Meek and Greene -- but to appeal to the moderate Republicans and independents that he will need to get over the top in the three-way contest this fall.

What Rubio still has going for him: he is a charismatic candidate who has proven his ability to effectively articulate the Republican message. But, Rubio has to find a second act this fall in order to achieve the stardom that many Republicans at the national level envision for him.

By The Fix  |  July 1, 2010; 4:27 PM ET
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His support for oil drilling has cost him
His support by the Tea Party has also cost him amongst any actual independents

Posted by: Bious | July 6, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Crist will fold after the first debate with Rubio.

Posted by: milkchaser | July 6, 2010 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Rubio threw those commonsense conservative values right out the window when he let Romney endorse him. If that wasn't bad enough then he tried to defend Romneycare.

Pathetic!

If the Floridans have to pick between Crist and Rubio two back stabbing insiders, they will go with the more experience one and that is Crist. Crist sold out the republicans and Rubio sold out the conservatives and the Tea Party.

Rubio is young and is being pulled in to many different directions by Huckabee, Romney, and Jeb Bush.

The only person that has the commonsense conservative credentials that maybe able to save Rubion is Gov. Sarah Palin.

But will she do it? Stay tune.

Posted by: Truth35 | July 4, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Rubio threw those commonsense conservative values right out the window when he let Romney endorse him. If that wasn't bad enough then he tried to defend Romneycare.

Pathetic!

If the Floridans have to pick between Crist and Rubio two back stabbing insiders, they will go with the more experience one and that is Crist. Crist sold out the republicans and Rubio sold out the conservatives and the Tea Party.

Rubio is young and is being pulled in to many different directions by Huckabee, Romney, and Jeb Bush.

The only person that has the commonsense conservative credentials that maybe able to save Rubion is Gov. Sarah Palin.

But will she do it? Stay tune.

Posted by: Truth35 | July 4, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Rubio is tainted by his Bush family coronation as their successor. He's just as dumb and elitist as they are.

I do hope Sarah Palin will come campaign for him. Her endorsement is the kiss of death. Failing that, maybe Cheney will come.

Posted by: wd1214 | July 2, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Rubio is tainted by his Bush family coronation as their successor. He's just as dumb and elitist as they are.

I do hope Sarah Palin will come campaign for him. Her endorsement is the kiss of death. Failing that, maybe Cheney will come.

Posted by: wd1214 | July 2, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Rubio is quite the freeloader. He's living high while rolling the rubes. Always works when you cater to the lowest common denominator.

Posted by: drindl | July 2, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"We're coming for you, Linda, and you'll not be able to miss our presence at the townhalls and the polling places. Your time is soon up, Sis.

Barack Hussein Obama would steal shiite from a blind dung beetle, then set it on the wrong path home."

the rightwingers are very sick people, bjoe.

i would ignore the hatemongers like 37 and zouk/brigade. just scroll past... ain't worth your time.

Posted by: drindl | July 2, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Parties in Florida need to get to work. Call in Sarah Palin to help Rubio & somebody needs to get rid of that insane Alan Grayson that appeared at the Americas Future 2010 for Progressives. Rubio needs help winning & knocking Crist down needs to happen & happen soon. It is obvious he is not the choice of the people in Florida. But lack of good Tea Party Help I fear for the worse. Grayson is a screaming idiot & I just found out about him speaking at the Progressive 3 day Seminar, along with people like Pelosi, Barbara Lee or Brenda Lee, she is a Congressman in the 8th district of California & bragged that she is also a Member of the Communist Party out there. I cannot believe she admitted to all of this but she did & now I cannot find that same video.

Posted by: egw7777 | July 2, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Parties in Florida need to get to work. Call in Sarah Palin to help Rubio & somebody needs to get rid of that insane Alan Grayson that appeared at the Americas Future 2010 for Progressives. Rubio needs help winning & knocking Crist down needs to happen & happen soon. It is obvious he is not the choice of the people in Florida. But lack of good Tea Party Help I fear for the worse. Grayson is a screaming idiot & I just found out about him speaking at the Progressive 3 day Seminar, along with people like Pelosi, Barbara Lee or Brenda Lee, she is a Congressman in the 8th district of California & bragged that she is also a Member of the Communist Party out there. I cannot believe she admitted to all of this but she did & now I cannot find that same video.

Posted by: egw7777 | July 2, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

babbie1, Rubio has since made a payment to his bank (payment in full or just enought to quiet them we don't know).

However, he stopped making payments not long after he lost his party credit cards, and I think that has left him in a negative cash-flow situation. The party was picking-up a lot of his expenses.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 2, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Charlie Crist should come out of the closet and admit his homosexuality."

There's no closet for bigotry, so you don't have to out yourself; it's obvious. Christ's sexuality is irrelevant to this discussion, which is about Rubio's dimming star status. Perhaps Rubio will be desperate enough to make that a campaign issue, but if he does it will alienate as many voters as attract them. Whatever their political persuasion, most voters don't like that kind of personal attack. Look what happened to Corzine when he ran an ad that was interpreted as making fun of Christie's girth. Christie might have won anyway, something that many in NJ have come to regret, but that ad was viewed as saying more about Corzine, than his opponent.

If he wants to be viewed as more than a sandwich board for the Tea Party, Rubio has his work cut out for him without detouring into the slimy waters of hate-based innuendo.

Posted by: Koko3 | July 2, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

June 18, 2010

TALLAHASSEE - Foreclosure proceedings have begun on a Tallahassee home co-owned by U.S. Senate candidate Marco Rubio and U.S. House candidate David Rivera, according to court records.

The filing was made June 14 in Leon County. Deutsche Bank is suing the men for not making mortgage payments totaling almost $10,000.

A fine example for the people of Florida!!!

Posted by: Babbie1 | July 2, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

If it is immaterial to us on the left that Barney Frank is gay, and if it makes us angry that people smirk about Kagan then it should be immaterial to us if Graham is gay.

He says he isn't and he doesn't involve himself in witch hunts. We need to let it go... especially the whispering and smirking. It isn't right. Hate his politics all you want but it is unfair to smirk at Graham because you think you know something about that you cannot know.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 2, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

If it is immaterial to us on the left that Barney Frank is gay, and if it makes us angry that people smirk about Kagan then it should be immaterial to us if Graham is gay.

He says he isn't and he doesn't involve himself in witch hunts. We need to let it go... especially the whispering and smirking. It isn't right. Hate his politics all you want but it is unfair to smirk at Graham because you think you know something about that you cannot know.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 2, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Marco Rubio stands for nothing except his own self ambition. He became the Republican nominee by default. He doesn't even support the Arizona immigation law. He's really doing nothing for the Republican cause. I wish he'd never interfered in the Republican primary.

Posted by: Gatecrasher | July 2, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

These super-conservative nutjobs are like a pack of yappy dogs all trying to out-yap each other.  YIP YIP YIP I'm more conservative no YIP YIP! YIP! *I'M* more conservative YIP!! YIP!! YIP!! No I AM!!  And while other yappy dogs think the whole thing is really cool they don't understand that everyone else just thinks they're a bunch of nuisances until one of them gets an electoral shoe in the muzzle and sees stars.

Rubio and Angle and the rest of the Republican yappy chorus keep yipping away and keep getting shoed.  And they don't learn.  But since they don't listen to anyone else but other yappy dogs they don't realize how sick and tired everyone else is of them.

Shrill, repetitive, stupid right-wingers.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 2, 2010 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Mr Cillizza,

FlowersofPeace is a sock-puppet that 37thandOstreet made up after he was previously banned from here for being an obnoxious troll.

WOULD YOU PLEASE BAN HIM AGAIN!


Thank you.


Posted by: DrainYou | July 2, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Mr Cilliza,

FlowersofPeace is a sock-puppet that 37thandOstreet made up after he was previously banned from here for being an abnoxious troll.

WOULD YOU PLEASE BAN HIM AGAIN!


Thank you.


Posted by: DrainYou | July 2, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Rubio lost his mojo when Crist went Indy. Now Rubio is left standing out in whack-a-doodle Teabagger-land with no way whatsoever of coming back to the middle for the general election.

Posted by: DrainYou | July 2, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Rubio lost his mojo when Crist went Indy. Now Rubio is left standing out in whack-a-doodle Teabagger-land with no way whatsoever of coming back to the middle for the general election.

Posted by: DrainYou | July 2, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

To the Post discussion board moderators:

Please do something about "FlowersofPeace." he or she is constantly spamming these boards with off-topic tirades about President Obama and the Democrats that have nothing whatsoever to do with the article s/he's posting in "reply" to. This poster was previously using the same thread-disrupting modus operandi under another ID that began with "37th..." and was, from what I read here, was thankfully banned. Even after being banned, this person apparently wants to continue this wasting of everyone's time. Any help that can be rendered will be much appreciated.

Posted by: whatmeregister | July 2, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Exactly, 37th. You made it up.

Here's a comparison of Sharon Angle's prenomination and postnomination webpages.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/01/sharron-angle-tea-party-a_n_632958.html

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

37th, provide a link to that $3 trillion deficit. Otherwise I'm going to say that it will raise a gazillion dollars by my birthday.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama is quick to claim credit for the financial reform bill.

Great - but isn't Obama forgetting something -

FREDDIE MAC AND FANNIE MAE are not addressed in the bill.

So the CORE of the mortgage crisis - the center of the problem - Obama is skipping over.

Obama will claim credit though - and Obama wants to let all the illegal aliens stay here too.

AND Obama says the Arizona law is unenforcable.

But the Arizona law is designed to ENFORCE FEDERAL LAW - MEANING DO WHAT OBAMA IS NOT DOING.

So how can that be described as "unenforcable"?


OUCH.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

DDawd


The health care bill probably has about a $3 Trillion deficit - I'm saying that money has to come from somewhere.

At some point, Congress is going to get a report that Obama's health care plan either needs massive new taxes like 3 trillion or it will explode the debt - and thus the program will have to be shut down.


Either raise the money to pay for it, or shut down the program -

Anyway - fiscal responsibility is never anything democrats want to talk about - they prefer to say how much they hate Sharon Angle, or speculate on when the Tea Party will turn violent.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, the teabaggers also claim to be smarter than everyone else too.

It's a straight up Republican platform. Give them tax cuts and let future generations pay for them.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

Isn't it ironic? The Tea Party people claim to be independents, not Republicans. And yet, we know that the TP drove Charlie Crist out of the Republicans and now want to do the same with Lindsey Graham. And where will they go--to Independents, of course.

I don't know why the TP believes their own propaganda that they are independents. Nothing of the sort--they are Republicans.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Also, what is $1.2 trillion in the black plus $200 billion in the red? I'm very bad at maths.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

The comments were brutal. By 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if Graham goes independent ala Crist.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

37th, are you saying we shouldn't pass the doc fix?

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

I've been reading the comments over at politico. Wow, they ain't nice. And most of them had obvious feminine references. You know, nudge, nudge, hint, hint. If Lindsey is gay, that must be the worst kept secret in the nation, because all his detractors seem to know it. And think it is a problem only exceeded by his RINOness.

He's not up for reelection until 2014, so he can say what he wants, I guess.

He better have his scorchproof pants on and duck, because there is definitely incoming.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

12: nothing so far. We'll probably see folks weigh in tomorrow.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

12: nothing so far. We'll probably see folks weigh in tomorrow.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

Recent polls on Angle? Do you know of any?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm very interested in seeing how Angle's interviews are going to play in the polls. I haven't seen any real recent polls on Angle. Has anyone?

On another blog, one of her supporters thought she'd hit a home run, and the only problem with the negative comments on her Ralston interview is that people hadn't watched the whole thing.

Well, I did watch the whole thing. It was like a book you couldn't put down waiting for the next shoe to drop. And drop they did.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 9:21 PM
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Polls indicate she'll kick Dingy Harry's butt. By the way, how's Dingy Rory doing in his quest to be governor?

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Prediction Contest


How many people will be shot in Chicago this weekend ?


A few weekends ago the number was 53.

Last weekend it was 28.

So let's predict the level of violence

Instead of all this nonsense about Sharon Angle - and "make-up" issues - and all this other garbage this echo chamber has been talking about.

HOW MANY REAL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FACE INNER CITY VIOLENCE THIS WEEKEND ????


Do something about that - it sure is a whole lot more serious than the Tea Party.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

david865


None of the things you list will limit anyone's freedom or liberty

You have nothing to fear.

The Supreme Court has just legalized guns - and so what if they are flaunted

While the personal qualities you list are not desirable, they do not limit your freedom.

And I'm not sure how anyone would "monger" God - however that can not be anything you should be fearful of.


You have nothing to fear - nothing to be scared of.

However - your desire to "beat down" three US States is curious. It sure seems like you are the one motivated by hate.

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What can I say--that's a gem. Person can't decide whether they hate "Linda" more or Obama more. This is like the note tied around the brick thrown through the window.

How about any links to conservative writers, as opposed to commenters.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd


You are lying - the health care portion of the budget will EXPLODE the deficit.

I won't list the details for you because you just want to lie - and you don't want to hear the truth.

But a few items


- the doctor fix makes the budget $225 Billion in the red


- Medicare - $500 Billion has been SPENT TWICE in Obama's budget


- The Congression Budget Office recently said the health care estimates were at least $200 Billion off - in the red


- the health care subsidies - are not calculate yet - but they will EXPLODE THE DEFICIT


OBAMA'S health care plan is about $3 TRILLION IN THE RED.


But, you don't want to be bothered with numbers, right ?


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

12Bar, you're made of sterner stuff than I am.
----------------------------------
noa, you miss some of the funnier stuff when you don't watch the whole thing. Sharron is clearly not ready for primetime. She was so far back on her "left foot" she was almost falling over.

In all fairness, coming from the same part of the country as Sharron, I understand her. She was never meant to play on the big stage and probably never thought she'd have a chance. These sparsely populated western states don't exactly have cosmopolitan politicians.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

12: it is with great reluctance we share a comment from a "conservative analyst" about Graham's put down of the teabaggers. It was posted in response to a Politico.com article about the subject.
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"If Linda Grahamnesty really thinks that he will outlast the Tea Party movement, then he should offer op-eds to the New York Slimes on a weekly basis. Not that his lefty-friendly behavior needs any further reminders to true patriots, but these little pearls of Linda's, as I see them, would provide him a lifetime of crow to sustain himself on once his cushy career in the senate is over.

We're coming for you, Linda, and you'll not be able to miss our presence at the townhalls and the polling places. Your time is soon up, Sis.

Barack Hussein Obama would steal shiite from a blind dung beetle, then set it on the wrong path home."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39286.html#ixzz0sU43nrZf
_______________

Nuff said. Sad.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

change of subject:

LOUDONVILLE, N.Y. — Franklin Delano Roosevelt is being ranked the top president in U.S. history by 238 scholars surveyed by Siena College.

Roosevelt has topped each of the five presidential scholar surveys conducted by the Albany, N.Y.-area college since 1982. Theodore Roosevelt came in at No. 2 in the survey released Thursday, followed by Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

Scholars ranked the 43 presidents on attributes such as integrity, intelligence, leadership and communication, as well as their accomplishments.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h0Vo7HRkKGObQOLVXgyrTf6WIuowD9GM9S380

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

12Bar, you're made of sterner stuff than I am. I couldn't make it though one minute of that interviews, and I'm not exaggerating. That woman is completely incoherent. When she used "working class" for "workforce" I had to shut it off. Move over Sarah, there're two of them now. She's not only a rotten human being, she's a rotten stupid human being. Where the hell did they dig up a bag like that?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe at 9:14 writes


dd, my fear is these bagger sociopaths may not wait until 2014 to put forth a "solution" (as they call it) for removing Graham, see Sharron Angle remarks.


_________________________________

One sexual slur - and a ridiculous assertion

Broadwayjoe - are you showing ANY concern for the violence in Toronto this past weekend - OR for the violence which will almost certainly happen this weekend in every inner city in America?


YOU SHOULD BE BANNED - clear and simple

Your slurs are offensive, you should be banned for that alone.

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

All I can say about my republican friends is: you scare me, your gun flaunting, your rascism, homophobia, God mongering...you scare me so much that I have made it my mission to fight your destruction of freedom and liberty as we know it. We will beat you down. Alabama, Virginia, South Carolina, your hatred will not win.

Posted by: david865 | July 1, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm very interested in seeing how Angle's interviews are going to play in the polls. I haven't seen any real recent polls on Angle. Has anyone?

On another blog, one of her supporters thought she'd hit a home run, and the only problem with the negative comments on her Ralston interview is that people hadn't watched the whole thing.

Well, I did watch the whole thing. It was like a book you couldn't put down waiting for the next shoe to drop. And drop they did.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

37th, Congress doesn't care about jobs. It's all about the deficit and the health care law will reduce it by over $1 trillion.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

What should be discussed is JOBS

For months it has been said that Obama's health care plan will be a DRAG ON HIRING.

And that central truth of Obama's policies has come to the forefront.


Obama's policies, his taxes - his imposing of new regulations on business - have had the NET EFFECT of HALTING HIRING IN THIS COUNTRY.

Businesses do not want to hire new people because they do NOT know what their health care costs are going to be in the near future.


The Businesses do not know what the costs are going to be for their EXISTING employees - much less worry about calculating the costs of new hires.

The Businesses just do not know what Obama is going to REQUIRE of them under this health care plan.

Pelosi said they are going to have to pass the health care bill in order to find out what is in it.

Businesses STILL do not know what is in it.


They just know their costs are about to skyrocket.

There are MILLIONS of people looking to get some sort of hand-out, or subsidy or lower health insurance premium from Obama's plan - and the BUSINESSES KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PAY - AND PAY ALOT.

The RESULT IS A DRAG ON HIRING.

Obama has NOT gotten lending to America's small businesses - so the businesses can expand -

Instead, Obama has promised to SLAM THOSE BUSINESSES WITH HIGHER TAXES.

At just the time when Obama needs those businesses to expand and hire.

Obama does not understand economics - and his policies are a horrible failure -


Obama will become a CASE STUDY IN WHAT NOT TO DO DURING AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The best part was when Angle won, all the Republicans came out and started making a fuss that Reid propped her up and knocked down Lowden to get Angle nominated. Wonderful show of confidence.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

dd, my fear is these bagger sociopaths may not wait until 2014 to put forth a "solution" (as they call it) for removing Graham, see Sharron Angle remarks.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have links to good analysis on Lindsey Graham's comments. Preferably, analysis on the conservative side.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

HAW HAW HAW

"Baaaaa-ba-looo!"

Great pic to lead today, he looks like such a typical Republican chucklehead.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

dd, when you call Social Security "welfare" and suggest eliminating unemployment compensation payments as an incentive for people to find work, the only way to go is down. The teabaggers are spent...so to speak. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


NOT one of your posts over the past few years has been worth anyone's time to read.

I am sorry to inform you of the truth.

Not really sure what you are trying to stand on - what shred of credibility - what iota of reason - what particle of intelligence.

But it isn't there.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

What!! Ricky's conga drum had a blow-out?

Posted by: abqbb | July 1, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


That particular post was not addressed to you - so you are under no obligation to reply at all.

The other posts - which pointed out your nasty behavior and general rudeness - those were addressed to you.


The idea that you should engage in civil discussions - and that is the purpose of the blog - that was your idea SO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU ARE DEMANDING OF OTHERS.


AND as far as I know, you are still supposed to be on boycott.

The boycott has FAILED. Everyone who has said they were boycotting have come back.


And yet - those people are still making their demands.

It doesn't work that way - your boycott failed.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

BWJ, it's pretty interesting to see this response to Graham's teabagger bashing. He's not up for election until 2014, I believe, so if he's wrong and there's still a tea party around then, well, they can have their say.

Honestly, I don't see how they are any different from mainstream Republicans. Heavy emphasis on cutting taxes and lip service to cutting spending. I guess they don't have all the religious nonsense.

Incidentally, it seems like Sharon Angle has scrubbed tea party references from her website. Rand Paul is still AWOL, same with Rubio, Heyworth looks like he will be crushed. Talk about peaking early. Peak to get a bunch of your guys nominated and then fall to earth just in time for them to be unelectable. Great timing.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


You spam this board more than anyone - except for maybe drinl

You can not be serious - your spamming makes you eligible to be banned. Oh wait, you have been banned 3 times for other offenses.


The reason anyone posts here multiple times is there is a multitude of democratic talking heads - who say nothing - and all they do is create an echo chamber.

Co-sign - oh year - once the co-signs start that is pure indication that the democrats on here are finished typing the talking points in - and they have nothing else to say.

If the democrats on this board STOPPED typing the talking points WHICH ARE EMAILED TO THEM - maybe this place would improve.

But until that happens, the conservative have to post alot - because they have to point out ALL THE LIES AND DECEPTIONS OF THE DEMOCRATS.

For over 100 years, the democrats have been a bunch of liars - they lie everyday - everyday, they email a new set of lies to their people so they know which lies to repeat.

And then you accuse the conservatives of repeating.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I am channeling the Great 37 in the Sky

The Great 37 in the Sky says Obama promised he was going to clean up MMS - those oil rig safety inspections should have been done correctly.

The Great 37 in the Sky says if Obama did his job properly, the Oil Spill would have never happened.


The Great 37 in the Sky says Obama wants all the illegal aliens to say in this country


The Great 37 in the Sky says that Obama wants to give amnesty to the illegal aliens - not just hispanics, but all of them

The Great 37 in the Sky say if Obama gave amnesty to all the illegal aliens, the Russian spy Anna Chapman would have been given citizenship -


The Great 37 in the Sky says Obama would have given Anna Chapman a lawyer before questioning.


The Great 37 in the Sky wants Anna Chapman to stay in this country, but only her.


The Great 37 in the Sky says that Obama and his people have no respect for the Bill of Rights.


The Great 37 in the Sky says Obama should resign immediately.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, you can shut up too.

It's got nothing to do with interest, nobody is interested in 37th's posts, that's totally beside the point. They're far too stupid to be interesting to anyone.

The point is that he issues the same post over and over, he tries to disrupt discussion, and yeah we can skip past his posts just as we skip past yours but he leaves so many to skip past. Sometimes he does a third or more of the posts here, pasting the same junk over and over, but takes up four fifths of the veritcal space, and it's all incoherent gibberish.

If you like his stuff so much, why don't you two get a room. Nobody else does, it's like a little kid screaming at a table of adults.

Quit it.

This drug addicted nuisance has driven away people whose posts were worth the time to read.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Props. Gotta admit the book list was funny...except for the BHO reference.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

It's DEFUSE, not diffuse. Ack. If you're going to cross-post 37th, at least check your spelling first.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 1, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

@37th,

No I don't want to talk about the paid cabal of posters who get together every morning and email each other to prevent YOU from posting.

No, I don't want to talk to you about why you can't understand why you were blocked.

No, I don't want to analyze why you feel you have to combat a group of 5 leftists who have taken over the blog.

A million times, no.

This blog isn't about YOU, although you seem to think it is.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Personal to Fix It guy:

FlowersOfPeace = the banned 37thandOSt

For the record, I don't think banning is a good idea except in the case of 37-style spamming. That said, the fact is "37" WAS banned and it's our understanding he was to stay banned no matter how many names he came back under. What gives?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

You are repeating yourself again - this is the same comment you posted on the other thread.

Another reason you should be banned forever -

You shouldn't be allowed to violate your own rules.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

FlowersofPeace = 37th

For the umpteenth time, 37th has repeated his long spamming post why he shouldn't be blocked.
Why do we constantly have to read about 37th and his need to talk about his need to talk.

Chris Cillizza, are you listening?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 8:33 PM
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Do you know how to scroll past posts you don't want to read? Do you have the willpower to keep from responding to posts you have no interest in? Do you really think it should be up to you to call for people to be banned?

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


You wanted the boycott - why aren't you respecting it -

You brought up all these issues - and you have pressed them.

And yet you don't want to discuss any of them

Is that civil discourse ? NO.

You should be banned for not engaging in civil discussions. By your own words, that is what this board is for.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

FlowersofPeace = 37th

For the umpteenth time, 37th has repeated his long spamming post why he shouldn't be blocked.
Why do we constantly have to read about 37th and his need to talk about his need to talk.

Chris Cillizza, are you listening?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse


Brigade


My Experience and Qualifications

By Barack Hussein Obama


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

E.j. Dionne's column today should be must reading for BHO and his senior staff.

Its message: fight back, Mr. President! Maureen Dowd and Kathleen Parker essentially made the same point earlier this week, but in a snarky and kinda insulting way. To BHO: No more commiserating, appeasing, triangulating, bipartisan-ing, and dithering. The teabaggers have articulated in recent weeks about 15 idiotic positions on public policy, e.g., abolition of the civil rights laws, unlimited dumping of nuclear war at Yucca Mountain, apologies to BP for pestering it about its oil spill, etc. BHO and his party should be slamming them non stop on every single foolish talking point.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/30/AR2010063004200.html

We know that no GOPer who has identified any interest in 2012 is competitive against BHO. Palin, for example, would lose by 23 points and win just six states if she were the GOP nominee against BHO. Prob is BHO could still get primaried and the GOP still has time to find what GOP Congresswoman Lynn Jenkins called the "Great White Hope."

The answer: if fightin's not your style get someone who digs it: HRC and HillaryWorld. Bring HRC and the Hillarians inside the White House where all their anger and grudge-fueled energy can be put to use. HRC as VP. As COS. Doesn't matter. She is needed now.
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When Kathleen Parker calls BHO out as a "woman" in a published Post column, you kinda have to deal with that, don't you.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris

How about trying to diffuse the situation


Instead - we have gone down a road on which everyone is digging in their heals.


With noacoler running around, how is it that bans should be respected?


With broadwayjoe, ddawd, 12bar, drinl and others making multiple postings - everyday - how is it that "spamming" not get enforced against them too ???

There has been a general atmosphere of no enforcement - to come in - on the SPURRING OF A PARTISAN LYNCH MOB - and suddenly enforce vague rules against one is just wrong.


There has been a great deal of nastiness on this blog over years -


And there has been push-back. Many times push-back is required to stop the leftists from their constant harassment and mocking.


The ratio on this blog is 5 to 1 leftist to conservative - Of Course the conservatives are going to have more posts responding to the leftists.

Now we have a new line of attack - new line of constant attack on this board - that has not diffused anything.

And it is still maintained there is an organized group of leftists here - pushing talking points - and perhaps organized by moveon.org or OFA -


That situation presents challenges to anyone who wants to comment here - because that group is doing its best to make it difficult to comment and to discourage posting.


Clearly - that general atmosphere here has to be recognized.


And yes, it certainly appears as those the lunatics think they are in control of the asylum, deciding who speaks and who doesn't.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Rubio ought to enter the priesthood where he'd be more comfortable.

Posted by: newagent99 | July 1, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Flowersofpeace,
When you're looking for a quick read, here's a list of some of the shortest books ever written:

THINGS I DID TO DESERVE THE NOBEL PRIZE
by Barack Obama

THINGS I LOVE ABOUT MY COUNTRY
by Jane Fonda and Cindy Sheehan
Illustrated by Michael Moore and
with a forward by Noacoler

THINGS WE KNOW TO BE TRUE
by Al Gore and John Kerry

MY CHRISTIAN ACCOMPLISHMENTS
or HOW I HELPED AFTER KATRINA
by Rev. Jesse Jackson & Rev. Al Sharpton

HOW TO DRINK AND DRIVE SAFELY
by Ted Kennedy

MY COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE OF MILITARY STRATEGY
by Nancy Pelosi

MY PLAN TO FIND THE REAL KILLER
by O.J. Simpson

WHY WE LEFT THE KLAN
by Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

It's going to bve especially sweet when Crist caucuses with the Democrats. Will the Republicans learn that running yahoos for important jobs is a mistake? Nope. They'll keep doing it, and keep losing, and that's good for everyone.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Fate stepped in with the Gulf Oil disaster. Suddenly people remembered Crist is the governor. He's looked and sounded like a leader, not afraid to stand next to President Obama as the men met to evaluate the disaster. (Remember the Crist-Obama hug during the presidential camapign?) Crist was always the front runner. Running as an independent hasn't hurt him either.

Posted by: pjsilva | July 1, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

This place has turned into a democratic echo chamber of hate.


The democrats are desperate to get people to hate the other side - because the democrats lose on the issues.

It is clear.

Americans do not want to hear Obama whining about the economy being called an ant - especially when that is not what Boehner meant at all.

Americans do NOT want to give Amnesty to anyone - Obama wants amnesty (a pathway to the rainbow)

All the deceptions and lies of the democrats should be pointed out and highlighted.


Even the Oil Spill could have been prevented if Obama did what he said he would do - and clean up MMS and make sure the safety inspections of oil rigs were done properly.

Obama failed the country on that issue.

Obama is a failure.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The TEA Party has had its 15 minutes. It'll linger in some outposts with odd demographics (low academic achievement, high consumption of social safety net and mental health services, poverty, permanent underclass), but mostly it's done.

And look! Rubio is losing his hair. 3 years and he'll look like Edward James Olmos in Stand and Deliver.

Oh, snap!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 1, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The fact that rubio is even in the race speaks volumes about the absolute insantity of the right. This guy is not fit to run a convenience store. He is floating the sort of nut case stuff that conservatives used to keep hidden in the country club locker room, where they could openly rant on about darkies and having to pay taxes, and why business should run people's lives and how our Democracy is realy inconvenient when you are trying to get the "right people" to run everything.

Christ will win. And if he is smart he will be a Democrat shortly after that.

Posted by: John1263 | July 1, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

rubio is in his groove. He is part of the tiny but noisy lunatic fringe. He is a dangerous extremist and so he is actually doing far better than he should be. the fact that he is in the race is a testament to the insanity gripping the right, and the fear people are feeling, and thus having manipulated n=by those crazies on the right who essentially want to dismantle the United States and put a third world oligarchy in its place.

Posted by: John1263 | July 1, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

co-sign, Noa. Manon Trivedi is right: everyone makes that decision for themselves and LIFE IS TOO SHORT.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 1, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Message received, noa

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

dd, word is the teabaggers are going nuts over Lindsey's bashing of them in the article. No telling how crazy they will get. They say if it gets really crazy he may switch parties rather than get primaried by a lunatic bagger. So Lindsey could go Dem, and Crist, if he wins, will almost certainly caucus with the Dems.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

This place is full of leftists.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

hey BWJ, ah lurves ya but, uh, we get it, OK?

If she ran under her real name the whitehairs would scream themselves red about her origins. Got it. Check.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"While the Republicans (+ their media toadies) were pimping anyone that has just won one statewide election (Brown, Christie), won a primary [Mrs. Nimrata Kaur Randhawa], served a half term as Governor(Palin), almost won a Senate primary (Rubio) for President, everyone forgot to ask why Marco Rubio was supposed to be a great Senator for FLA.? "
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Totally cosign, Bob S. But I made one small edit to your post in the interest of accuracy. All the best :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

What's important is Meek's 24%.

As Floridians realize Meek's not competitive, his numbers are certain to go down (folks won't back a sure loser). The people who move away from Meek will either not vote at all or vote for Crist. But under no circumstances will they vote for Rubio, a rightwing teabagger. Going forward, this race is Crist's to win or lose--he's now in the driver's seat.

Master stroke by the Kenny Chesney of politics, Charlie Crist.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 1, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

While the Republicans (+ their media toadies) were pimping anyone that has just won one statewide election (Brown, Christie), won a primary ( Nikki), served a half term as Governor(Palin), almost won a Senate primary (Rubio) for President, everyone forgot to ask why Marco Rubio was supposed to be a great Senator for FLA.?

We know he didn't embrace Obama or support energizing the cratering FLA. economy with Federal money.... but why is he supposed to be a great Senator. He is a Republican and the Tea Bags support him? Does it end there?

Posted by: BobSanderson | July 1, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

And Rubio is a nutjob who would spend all his time worrying about getting prayer in the classroom, making automatic weapons easy for mental patients and drunken ex-bofriends to buy, and what gays do in bed.

What you object to in Crist is his pragamatism, sounds like you prefer Rubio's ideological rigidity. Happily, most of the voters in your state don't have their heads are jammed as far up as you do.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes. He peaked too soon, and he went too far right, and the Republican Party of Florida and the National Republican Senatorial Committee endorsed Crist way too early - that is going to cost them. RPOF (Greer) and the NRSC (Cornyn) are idiots.

I'm a Rubio supporter and I emailed the campaign months ago and said they were making a huge mistake in making the Rubio-Crist debate all about "who is more conservative." They should have focused on Crist's mismanagement of Florida Govt and his lack of core values. Now, their strategy is blowing up in their face, and allowing Crist to be revived, even though he's as phony as a $3 bill.

While the Rubio campaign has done some incredible things in the first half in taking Charlie down, they didn't have the foresight to see what would happen in the second half. They focused too much on the "who's more conservative" thing and locked themselves into a corner. Now it's a problem for them.

I hope the Rubio camp gets back in the game because Rubio would be better for us than Crist. Crist is a grandstanding panderer who has no core values and is constantly checking the polls before stating his position, then doing a 180 when he sees things going south. We don't need this kind of poltician in the senate. Don't we have enough of those clowns?

Posted by: Artist4 | July 1, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

At this point, I think Obama has written off about 45% of America - he is just trying to appeal to the remaining 55%.

Americans do not want to give AMNESTY

And yet - Obama is out there talking up "a pathway to citizenship" - which is AMNESTY.

There are millions of people outside the country waiting for legal visas - and Obama wants to give those people an advantage over the illegals.

That is wrong.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist should come out of the closet and admit his homosexuality.

Posted by: kenpasadena | July 1, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

this is a test

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 1, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist is a better man, he's logical, cool headed, smart, and just plain good for Florida.

The only thing Rubio EVER had going for him was that the Tea Baggers love him, which also says something.

I'm glad Floridians have come to their senses and are leaning toward Crist -- best man for the job!

Posted by: lindalovejones | July 1, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

With any luck Rubio's next act will start with an orange jumpsuit.

Trying to make hay
About Crist being gay
Is likely to backfire
In SO many ways

One, true or not it will appear desperate and nasty and two, the only people who'll give a damn are the sort of cavemen who planned to vote for teabagger Rubio anyway.

Hey mods can we please get some respite from the latest 37th moniker? Nobody cares about that junk.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

It's possible that Rubio is saving the real heavy slime (regarding Crist's sexual orientation) for an October surprise, before any mudlinging backlash can hurt him. This may not work. My gut feeling: any Florida voter who is not, in the words of Karen Walker, "headless" knows Crist is a closeted gay man and has already factored that into his or her vote.

Posted by: mattfugazi | July 1, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"The press likes Crist. He's getting more air time because of the spill."

Yesterday's CS Monitor had a story with him & Jimmy Buffet doing some benefit concert for the gulf coast. Crist is positioned extremely well for this race.

Posted by: bsimon1 | July 1, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Did he peak too early? No. He bet wrong on the enthusiasm within the electorate for partisanship. Voters want their elected officials to be focused on solving problems. By attacking Crist for taking stimulus money & being friendly with the Obama administration, Rubio has painted himself into a corner as an ideologue. Driving Crist to independance has ceded the middle ground, without which Rubio can't win.

Posted by: bsimon1 | July 1, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The press likes Crist. He's getting more air time because of the spill.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 1, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember promising anything like that. Link?

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Rubio wants to continue the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, saying they create jobs. Where are the jobs? He wants to cut social security benefits to pay for it! Rubio's abuse of republican credit cards, under fed. investigation,and foreclosure on his own home, make him financially inept! "drill, baby, drill" puts him in the pocket of big oil [a large funder of his campaign] plus wanting to cut social security, he is not for Florida!
wall street dollar grabber!

Posted by: roosboys | July 1, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd


You promised everyone that you were on boycott - why aren't you sticking to it ?

It is silly to threaten the reporter that you will never come back - and then not follow through on your threats.

All you did was blow a great deal of hot air - and get everyone all upset.

For organizing this bogus boycott, you have violated the bounds of civil discourse, and therefor you should be banned.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Unless of course the guy is in reality an empty suit (gee ... like ALL the radical right Jeb lemmings who run/have run the Florida Legislature), in which case there's no real groove to get back. When is The Fix and the rest of the MSM going to stop pretending that clowns like Rubio, Paul, Angle, McMahon are serious, sentient individuals? They're not.

Posted by: ImaDem | July 1, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/magazine/04graham-t.html?hp

Anyone read this NYT profile of Lindsey Graham? Pretty good.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Thing is that Rubio's ascendancy was in the context of the Republican party and his rise against Crist. While he was doing well in GenElec polls, those polls are really more reflections of the Republican primary.

Problem is that there are still a couple of downsides to being a Republican even in this day and age of the Republican resurgence.

But this idea that a candidate has to win every single news cycle is bogus. He did what he had to in order to clinch the nomination. It's fine for him to lie low and at least wait for the Democrats to knock themselves around a bit. And given that the tea party popularity is plummeting, it might be best to not make too much noise now.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

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