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Mark Kirk tries to push the "reset" button



Illinois Rep. Mark Kirk has struggled to answer questions about his military record.

A month to the day after the first allegations surfaced about embellishments in his military resume, Illinois Rep. Mark Kirk (R) held a press conference in Chicago designed to re-start a Senate campaign that has gone badly off track.

"I was not thinking," said Kirk at the Chicago presser when asked about various misstatements in his military background including that he was once named the Navy's intelligence officer of the year. (He wasn't.)

"This was a carelessness that did not reflect well upon me and this is a high office," said Kirk, according to the Chicago Sun Times. "Going forward, you have to speak with great precision and detail."

Kirk's political motives in calling the press conference are fairly transparent: end the story once and for all and, in so doing, put the spotlight in the race back on state Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias, the Democratic nominee.

Whether the strategy will work or not is more difficult to analyze.

One senior Republican familiar with the state's politics cast the Kirk presser as a necessary move with an uncertain outcome. "While this press conference may be too little, too late, it has become imperative that Kirk face the press, explain his misstatements, take the heat, and try to move his campaign forward," said the source.

The Kirk team insisted, not terribly surprisingly, they were happy with today's press conference and cast it as the first of several steps to get the race focused back on issues.

"He laid out the big issues the country faces and committed to addressing them in a series of detailed policy presentations," said one Kirk adviser. "He also talked about the big differences between his record of public service and Alexi Giannoulias."

A Giannoulias spokesman was less charitable. "Allow me to be blunt: Congressman Kirk wasn't careless and he didn't misremember -- he lied," said Matt McGrath.

While it's impossible to predict what the future holds for Kirk and Giannoulias -- except for the fact that this is going to be a VERY nasty race -- it is clear that the Republican House Member has taken what looked like a slam dunk win for him six weeks ago and turned the race into a toss up.

Prior to Kirk's repeated misrememberings about his military resume, the race was entirely focused on Giannoulias, who had squeaked out a victory in his Feb. 2 primary and was subsequently hit with the news that his family's bank -- at which he once served as a senior loan officer -- had failed and was being seized by the government.

In the immediate aftermath of that seizure, questions swirled about whether Giannoulias would stay in the race and whether the White House -- this is President Barack Obama's seat we are talking about, after all -- would force him out.

Then the questions about Kirk's military credentials surfaced.

In the wake of those revelations, there has been very little reliable public polling data although both sides see the race as having tightened in a significant way.

While the race is far from won, Democrats are now in far better position to win it than they had any reasonable expectation of being just six weeks ago. All of which proves, yet again, that politics is an unpredictable business.

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 29, 2010; 3:30 PM ET
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I won the Congressional medal of honor and a Purple Heart and Distinguished Service Cross.

But we have no record of you being in the military. Records show you were sunning at St. Moritz those years. So why are you lying?

Not a lie. Only a misstatement.

Oh, O.K. so sorry. I should know better. You're running for a high public office.

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Posted by: HarveyY | June 30, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

But every photon in laser light is in the exact same damn quantum state, over and over and over, too.

baDUMP

Posted by: Noacoler | June 30, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

By the way, 37th's new monicker is ironic. You see, laser light is coherent.

;-)

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 30, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Cosign Nemo. Vic (when on topic) has great insight. I skip past the microwave fusion tower posts. Sorry, Vic, but I hope these give you some solace. Meanwhile, I hope that you continue to provide political insights.

I've said my peace on other matters, so I'll leave it there. Best of luck to the Fix crew on the blog. I'll keep reading.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 30, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

thebabenemo


If there is a code of conduct, enforce it - meaning when others get out of hand, they should be banned.

However, over the past two years, we have seen all sorts of excessive conduct - and people never, ever get banned.

No - in this discussion practically everyone brings up someone whose offenses have been so great that they deserve banning as well.

So how can anyone justify banning one person when the offenses of others probably run into the hundreds of posts ?


The truth is once someone sees bad behavior, and there is no enforcement, there is a legitimate sense that the behavior is alright.

By practice, the code of conduct has expanded.


But to step in one day, and say, one person is doing something wrong - when the reality is it is the result of a partisan lynching - that is ridiculous.

And we have a ridiculous situation which has been allowed to run wild - but to start enforcement of vague rules just does not work.

The reaction of the posters here - many of whom are guilty of bad behavior - to say they are not coming back unless on goes - that is complete hypocrisy.

The bad behavior has been going on for well over two years - so who is supposed to know that June 2010 is when the rules are suddenly getting enforced.

There were vicious attacks by the Obama people all during 2008 - all which went un-enforced.

If there was enforcement, people would see good behavior, and follow accordingly.

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Posted by: LaserLight | June 30, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Interesting, the Post keeps putting these Mark Kirk misstates his miliatry record stories out there regularly but Blumenthal running for Senate does virtually the same thing but the Post drops that issue after a few brief stories. The only difference? An R after Kirk's name and a D after Blumenthal's name.

Posted by: RobT1 | June 29, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse


uh, there's a Code of Conduct for this blog and all other blogs at WaPo. One can push First Amendment rights only so far as the conduct that prevails. Remember, one must take the action of typing the words (or the cut & paste that gets so annoying). Thinking before typing would be a novel idea, no?

Spamming is posting over and over again, the same content OR
posting every minute (which the Fix and Federal Eye have no 3 minute warning like the other COMMENT SECTIONS have on stories).

Scrivener is a spammer, for instance. (I don't have anything personal against scriverner BTW)....but he doesn't do it every other entry. Just about every other 10 entries (rolling)))

The deragatory nature of the entries by 37, which happened constantly, and in short time spans should be cause for banning.

THere are alot of insults flying on these blogs all the time. And cut & pastes of entries over and over again. Or cut & paste by another entry (he wrote, she wrote) and also, LINKS. Viable, valid, interesting dialogue should take the lead in these blogs. After all, we all come here to blog. I wouldn't like it if they took this away.

Chris hardly makes a comment in here unless "things" are getting out of hand.
And they were.

Now, Net junkies will come back in under other names (and you have witnessed it); but in the end, a Code of Conduct for access to blogging on WaPo should be honored and no doubt is honored ......


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | June 29, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what to tell you -

==

how about "goodbye"

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris:


If you want to make a rule about "spamming" fine - define it and tell everyone what it is.

But don't start off by enforcing a rule which no one knows - and no what knows what the definition is.

And - please don't tell anyone that what drinl does isn't spamming.

Or Noacoler.

And broadwayjoe attacks any person who does not agree with him - is that spamming ???

I am sorry - but the standard was set on this blog during the 2008 campaign - the Obama people had 5 people on this blog every shift - attacking every person with an opposing view.

That is not spamming ???


That is spamming by an entire group.

And broadwayjoe, ddawd, and others were around then -

This is like a gang - protecting its territory.


Seriously - if you want a spamming rule - make the spamming rule and define it.

So everyone knows what the rules are and that they can follow it.

However, I would guess most people are concerned about the uncivil attacks.

And again, Broadwayjoe and ddawd, leichtman, fairlington and others are at the center of a constant stream of attacks.

I don't know what to tell you - but the constant stream of attacks from this gang is the major problem - and that is the cause of much of the push-back on this blog.


.

Posted by: LaserLight | June 29, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Laser Light. Unbelievable. LOL.

Out.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 29, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Chris

1) Everyone agree there have been no rules on this blog for a long time


2) Everyone agrees that there has been little or no enforcement.


3) People figure out the rules by seeing what other people are doing - if there is a general lack of civil discourse, then that becomes the norm.


4) There has been hundreds of posts on this blog with have been offensive - and would be considered out-of-bounds by reasonable people.


5) To suddenly enforce a vague rule - is just crazy.

To allow one group on the blog to organize a mob - and try to lynch someone is just ridiculous.

If you want to enforce rules - you have to articulate them - and be specific.


You have to enforce them equally.

You can't allow a free-for-all go wild for a very long time - and then suddenly say one person is doing something wrong.

- There is a general hostile environment which everyone on this blog has to live with -


Everyone responds to that atmosphere - and tries to defend themselves - in part to try to stop the offenders from their constant attacks.


- Again, in that atmosphere, to suddenly to start to enforce a vague rule, is just wrong.

- "Fair Play" What is fair play ? What is the definition ? Surely, under "fair play" you could ban 10 or 20 people from the blog.

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Posted by: LaserLight | June 29, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't know the reference, but I'll happily lift a glass of Aligoté in your direction Chris (F). [A plus of being on the ins with the local wine shop owner. Occasional freebies.] I do respect you even if we have sharply different approaches. FWIW, the same is not true of the trolligy.

Given that the current system makes it impossible to have a ban stick, I don't think that Zouk's current multi-presence is an indication of an endorsement. Dynamic IPs mean that

Thanks for the kind words, CC. I keep on with the comments section in that it's help me meet interesting people. Not to mention good crab cakes. I'm sure that the main content is most of what the greater readership values, but I appreciate your interest in the commentarati.

Well, I've got to go, folks. One of the kiddos is way overdue for bedtime.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 29, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Well said, Chris.

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Posted by: kaixindian | June 29, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clarification, Chris, but I think I've already answered your puzzlement just below. As I've said before I think you did excellent work during the campaign, I referred dozens of people to your videos, they were fantastic, but I believe you have serious issues with President Obama and favor his detractors regardless of their merits or their lack thereof.

As for banning the latest 37th incarnation, thank you again, and yes that is the only thing you can do, other than deleting all his posts.

Now why don't you ban zouk as well? You already banned him as king_of_zouk, as Comrade_Zero, and four others, why don't you put a stop to his extant monikers? Nobody else is as vicious or as personal in the attacks as he is, nobody, and sparing him as he calls me a pedophile is pretty damned glaring.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

sorry, i didn't know chris posted an entry.

thanks chris......it's so true what you say. Folks have to learn to "read" entries correctly, along with writing for the purpose of viable dialogue.

and BTW, I can work from home for the WaPo as "moderator" of blogs if you want. ((((big cheesy grins-plugging for a job))))
I've been moderating at colleges for Internet sites for years.

also, I want a t-shirt (blush))

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | June 29, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse


When in doubt, have a press conference !!!!

and the new phrase all over the place that I am hearing is "push the reset button"...
or "we've pushed the restart button".

I am hearing this in real life.......not just press. To the point of gaggin' folks.
(oh yeah, and "AS WELL" too) ugh!

Both have controversies. Now is the time for a fresh face (with money) to enter the race. Dreams just may come true in this kind of atmosphere.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | June 29, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

All,

1. Ceflynline and Fairlinton: Thanks for your thoughtfulness and patience. I believe that the comments section will get better sooner rather than later so hopefully it will be rewarded.

2. 37th/Heatwave has been banned AGAIN. Not sure what else I can do other than keep banning him. And he will continue to return under other names.

3. ChrisFox/Noa: The comparison between you and 37th is based on your desire to return repeatedly under other names despite being banned. I continue to be baffled as to why you spend so much time getting back to a blog you disdain so much but that's another conversation.

4. To everyone else: Commenting on blogs remains very much a work in progress. The Post's goal is to allow as free a discussion as possible without permitting personal attacks and other online savagery. It seems a pretty easy goal to meet. Treat people online like you would offline.

Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | June 29, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

BB, I think not wanting to give the trolls the satisfaction is the only thing that's kept this place going for some time now and I think it simultaneously ran out for a lot of us all at once.

There was some hope when CC finally got wet from the wave of disgust and banned 37th, but he didn't ban zouk and he didn't do much when 37th came right back. Now I think that burst of hope has run out as well.

It's not so much because it's directed at me, I really don't care because I know who I am, but zouk's untouched pedophilia goad is way way beyond the pale, and CC has made it clear that he's cool with it.

I think that what will eventually happen is this .. as Republican Rising becomes increasingly absurd and CC continues to ignore the real news in favor of puffing the GOP, he'll get fired. And then we'll get someone here who's fairness isn't sonething that needs to be faked, neither in the blog entries nor in the moderation of the comments, and that's what I'M holding out for,

(lifts a piece of stemware of Martinelli's in BB's general direction).

"Be seeing you!"
-- Number Six (Patrick McGoohan, "The Prisoner," 1967)

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I can't say as I'd endorse a mass huff, despite my utter frustration expressed a week or so ago. The reactions of 37th and Zouk are predictable. The main reason I have hope for a moderated comments section is the opportunity to read the thoughts of those who have different perspectives. Some banter on the actual issues raised in the Fix items.

I do think that if spending time in the comments section causes more irritation than enjoyment, take a break. I hung about as there are some folks whose posts I enjoyed. I also didn't want to give the trolls the satisfaction of driving off anyone who disagrees with them.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 29, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

As we may never meet again, let me congratulate you on your good writing, ceflynline. I also agree with the content, I'll admit.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 29, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I will break with my principles, Heatwave or whoever else you are and address you, particularly, just this once. Not that I expect you to pay the least attention, but because perhaps some one who mistakes you for an example may rethink his choice.

The term used for you, Jake, and your affiliates, troll, is particularly apropos.

Remember when you were little, and your mommy read you the Three Billy Goats Gruff? The troll controlled the bridge, and intended that no-one cross it. He himself had no other use for it except to bother those who would use it.

Blogs like The Fix, and Weigel's Right Now ought to be bridges between points of view, Ideally they are the home of literate and witty writing, but that standard is a bit much to expect of most posters, who might not have a lifetime education in readable writing. Still, opinions, which are opposable, and facts, which are not but which posters might be able to add to a discussion where they have been neglected, are the property of all posters of all persuasions. Being exposed to opinions you disagree with and facts you haven't acquired is good for the intellect.

Those of you, and that is both particular and general, who try to drive off the opinions you don't like, are trolls, who won't use the bridge for what it is intended, and won't let anyone who doesn't parrot your beliefs either.

While good debate is improved by the very best butter of practiced political insult, your abrasive repetition cannot be considered anything but an attempt to empty the blog of those of us who have opposing points and posts. That you seem to believe that one post by a "Leftist" is overrunning the blog with liberalism is quite apparent. That you desire to drive us off is equally apparent. That you have mostly succeeded is particularly apparent to CC.

When I discovered the boycott I emailed him my intent to join. Coincidentally almost immediately thereafter he posted his request for patience.

OK, I have lived all these many years largely by learning patience. But I will not continue to support the very childish behavior you, specifically, demonstrate so liberally.

GROW UP.

Learn to debate, probably by remaining quiet yourself and listening to mark in Austin, or Fairington Blade, or Dawdd. Since you will never learn the fine art of the literate put down, limit your insults to one, unused in the last week, insult per post. NEVER again use ped except to refer to a Walk/Don't Walk sign. Get a book on etiquette and don't just read it, master it. Failing that, when you get banned, have the decency to stay banned.

No but buts, no he did it too, no noacooler was banned. Learn the rules by observation, or learn by being corrected, or just go away.

There really aren't any other choices if the market place of political ideas isn't to turn into a dung heap of vituperation

E.Moreo, aka ceflynline

Posted by: ceflynline | June 29, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Attica! Attica! Attica!

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 29, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow. You three or four moonbats are powerful

get over yourselves. Play along or leave. Preferably leave for the originator of the banning. You always say how much you despise the place. Put your money where your mouth is. Unless theres a bone in the way.

Cilizza told you you are a loser. What else do you need for the eighth time?

Posted by: Moonbat | June 29, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I've had a lot of really great conversations here, including a few recently, and when things are sedate I sometimes feel like putting some work or even some research into doing a post. But most of the good times here were a long time ago.

The fact that the two trolls continue to get away with stuff that would lead to an unceremonious ban anywhere else has opened the door to misbehavior as the rule and civility the rare exception. And as many, as almost everyone, has noted, 37th's constant barrage of repetitive hysteria has driven away most of the former contributors and reduced the remainder to scrolling about column-feet of all-caps and blank lines.

I don't come here to read Cillizza much, the gibbering over Republican nobodies gets old and the one hand / other hand / cum grano salis / etc. is just low quality. I come here to read the comments, posters like DDAWD and 12Bar and ceflynline and Fairlington.

I've stuck around for the occasional reward but zouk's sickness is soul-rotting and 37th's yelling actually gives me headaches if I don't scroll fast enough.

I'm not going to issue any swan song that some troll will throw back at me if I show up but I've been posting elsewhere, blogs where the pace is a little slower and moderation happens.

Once again, Chris, the fact that you allow the spamming and you allow the pedophilia stuff cannot be explained away. I don't buy your "they'll just come back" crap, not when you're so quick on the trigger for bothering the bigots. The trashing of this once fine blog by zouk and 37th has been with your approval and nobody here believes otherwise.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

Bringing in noacoler and his past offenses is like introducing a bright shiny object.

We all think about that--except for me because I wasn't here.

We do nothing about the spammer who is spamming right now as we speak. And claims the right to do so.

This is all bravo sierra in my book.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 29, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

12: you are of course right -- dragging noa into this is intended to divert attention from the issue at hand: 37/heatwave's spamming.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 29, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Nobody believes you're using "ped" as an abbreviation for pedant, zouk, not after you're talked about cruising playgrounds for sex.

Cillizza may smirk at it because it mirrors his own bigotry but nobody who reads this blog has any illusion about what you mean, you pathetic unemployed loser.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

I'm not in charge of any boycott except my own. You'll have to make your own assessment whether navigating around all the spam is worth it. It isn't for me.

I believe it was leichtman who first called for a boycott. And I still plan to stay away. I'll believe things will be better, when things ARE better. I wouldn't put a nickel on it.

Also, I'm not going to get sucked into broadening this issue noacoler or anyone else. Isn't the issue of 37th spamming the blog enough? Talking about everyone else is just an excuse to do nothing about anything.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 29, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, BWJ and 12BarBlues.

The comparison is absurd and it reflects CC's compulsion to create an appearance of balance and fairness because he KNOWS he has to fake it.

Calling out racists and foghorning the board with unintellible gibberish are not equivalent.

CC, I think you're being petty because I say you suck at your job. And I continue to say so, especially when the day of HCR passage led with that Dan Coats crap and the day Barton was over every fold in the US led with Tim Pawlenty. This blog is so slanted that the slant makes more news than the content.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I side with cilizza.

There is no rule against carpet posting (37)

there us no rule against cutting and pasting ( drivl)

there is no enforced rule about off topic (everyone)

but there are Rules about Constant attacks only against others (ped)

let us not forget that banning was not necessary before that vile mysanthrope arrived, telling everyone, including the moderator, how to do their thing better. Ban the pedant once and for all and let's move forward. And the sexual details are oh so inappropriate outside the juice bar. Why does one, and only one poster feel the need?

Posted by: Moonbat | June 29, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

It's your play, 12. We are with you.

The false equivalence drawn today between "noa," an articulate progressive commenter banned earlier for calling out racist posts and personal attacks, and "37," a carpet-poster of racist posts and personal attacks, is pretty unbelievable and speaks for itself. Sad.

Tell us when the boycott is off.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 29, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

@zouk,

Sorry, I'm only addressing Chris Cillizza. I am not back on the Fix to converse with anyone else. Believe me, when Chris quits reading, I will be gone.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 29, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

12 bar. This is your boycott.

Get rid of drivl and Ped and we'll call it a draw.

Posted by: Moonbat | June 29, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

And, btw, calling someone a pedophile every single day, every hour, for months and months (that I've been here) is so unacceptable, I can't even express my disapproval. No club, no classroom, no church, no organization of any type would allow this kind of name-calling. And yet it goes on daily at the Fix.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 29, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cillizza,

Do you even pay attention to the bile that 37thandO Street goon posts on here on a daily basis?

Quit being a right corporate media tool, Cillizza. If you guys would ever take a minute and step outside of your DC Villager bubble you'd find out that all of the right wing propaganda that you guys report as "facts" are nothing more than crap. And people are very aware of it.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 29, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Peds ( that's short for pedantic) reply:

I'm right you're wrong.

Typical.

Posted by: Moonbat | June 29, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

The question isn't really who get blocked. The question is whether anyone gets blocked. For anything. If someone who flagrantly broke the rules actually got blocked on a permanent basis, everyone else would clean up their acts.

I'm believing that no rules of decency apply here. Except those that are self imposed.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 29, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

For those keeping score, subjects Mark "Pinocchio" Kirk wants to avoid right now like the plague are: the naval intelligence officer of the year award that he didn't receive, the Pentagon war room that he didn't command, the fire he didn't come under while in Iraq, Kosovo or Kandahar, Desert Storm that he didn't serve in, Operation Iraqi Freedom that he didn't serve in, the nursery school where he didn't teach and where he didn't have students bringing guns to class ...


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/17/us/politics/17kirk.html?partner=rss&emc=rss


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/us/politics/19kirk.html


Kirk is a serial liar, he needs to resign.


Posted by: DrainYou | June 29, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Not buying it, Cillizza. I've called people "idiot" sometimes, but nothing anywhere near what zouk and 37th get away with every day. Not in the same league, not no the same planet.

The pedophile stuff is a total deal-breaker and until you've done something about that you're just blowing smoke.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Noa,

I really think you are on shaky ground.

Having read a fair number of your posts over the months, you have engaged in the same sort of personal attacks that you cast on others.

Banning 37th made sense. As did banning you. Both were consistent with the rules of fair play on the blog. You both chose to ignore them.


Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | June 29, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

12Bar herself says it:


I've never participated on any blog that has no enforcement of the written rules of conduct. And everyone knows it, and frankly, it creates an environment in which the most horrible and personal attacks occur on a daily basis.


____________________________________

So how is anyone supposed to know what the rules are ???

And to all of a sudden to start to enforce rules against one is just wrong.

And the offenses are vague - the leftists are offended - well, everyone has been offended.

The leftists are more upset about Obama's horrible job performance than anything else - they want zero evaluation of the government - zero evaluation of Obama.

The only evaluation the leftists want is to blame Bush as long as they can.

But what we have had this past week is a bunch of children demanding their way.

These people have never demanded one of their own - another leftist - be banned on account of their bad behavior - and we all know these offenses have been numerous and frequent.

I'm sorry - but the loony left is really out there this time.

.

Posted by: Heatwave | June 29, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I've never participated on any blog that has no enforcement of the written rules of conduct. And everyone knows it, and frankly, it creates an environment in which the most horrible and personal attacks occur on a daily basis.

==

Not true. Call out racist expression on here and watch how long it takes until you get banned, My three bannings have all been for identifying racist posts on here, while the racists themselves get no censure at all.

None of this matters a fig. We have one poster, the former king_of_zouk now posting as bumblingberry, Moonbat, drivl, and numerous others, who calls me a *pedophile* on here every day and has never gotten so much as a wrist slap for it.

Chris, as long as you let something as plainly wrong as that go on, you have no ground to stand on. None. And no expectation for anyone else to hold back their own angry impulses.

That is where you need to start. Until you do your claims are not credible.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

A little daily maintenance is a small price that you should be willing to pay to have this blog function well.

If there are others, besides 37, that were banned then the policy should be enforced equally INSTEAD OF ALLOWING ALL THE MANY 37s BACK (sorry - blogging like 37 maybe be a catchy virus! :)).

A couple of months without posting for most here will mean that they have ditched the fix permanently. I can't imagine what life is like for those that have to read around the trolls. Why would anyone bother?

I will move on if you are not willing to put the minor effort in.

Best,
Bob

Posted by: BobSanderson | June 29, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

If the prevailing enforcement allows a certain set of behavior for a period of time, one is justified in believing the behavior is within the rules.
------------------------------------
For the first time, I agree with 37th.

There are written rules that are not enforced, so after a while anything goes, and 37th is simply a reflection of that.

The only rules that apply are one's own personal standards of good manners. And you can come to your own conclusions about that.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 29, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

The rules here are impossible to figure out. They are too vague - and offenses seem to mushroom based on partisan loyalties.


One way posters figure out the rules is they see what other posters have gotten away with.


If the prevailing enforcement allows a certain set of behavior for a period of time, one is justified in believing the behavior is within the rules.

The leftists on this blog have been out of control for over two years - there has been nasty behavior, harassment and mocking - false charges of racism - there has been no bounds of civil behavior enforced at all.

There also has been no controls over number or frequency of posting - but the leftists far outnumber the conservatives - and the leftists appear to be really nasty about keeping that predominant position.

All I can say is I am sorry.

However, I find it unbelievable to be subjected to the kind of behavior which the conservatives have been subjected to - only down the line to be accused of some vague set of offenses which really have never been enforced previously.


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Posted by: Heatwave | June 29, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

CC, I appreciate the update. As one of the reasonable folks who rarely comments here anymore (because life's too short to get wrapped up in other people's flame wars), I look forward to whatever you think you can do. I'll keep checking.

By the way, if you want to review a great and useful comments section, check out how they run it www.groklaw.net ... a decidedly non-political technology/legal issues blog (but you can currently get some thoughtful commentary on yesterday's Bilski Supreme Court decision).

Posted by: malis | June 29, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Chris but Chris Fox aka Noacoler doesn't call other posters pedophiles day in and day out free of censure so take your phony homage to balance and insert carefully.

You let 37th go on jamming this place for months, you continue to allow zouk to issue the most vile personal attacks on the web for over a year, and you don't even make a crocodile teared pretense of doing anything about it. Many of us have administered online forums and we know as absolute fact that all this eye rolling about people coming back is pure BS. You could keep 37th off here if you wanted and your blind eye turned to zouk's grotesque and sordid name-calling says more than these little promises ever could.

I wouldn't hold our for people to come back. I doubt many will.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza wrote:
I am told that a new and far better comments section is coming within the next month at the Fix.

I hope some of the more reasonable commenters -- I know you are out there! -- and folks who refuse to participate in the current commenting melee stick around to see if we can make this better.
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Sorry to be skeptical, but I'll come back when it happens. Sorry Chris, I thought you meant it when you blocked 37th. I thought you meant it for more than a few days. It's not like it's hard to know which poster is the reincarnation of 37th--he doesn't hide anything. He could be blocked every time he appears.

I've never participated on any blog that has no enforcement of the written rules of conduct. And everyone knows it, and frankly, it creates an environment in which the most horrible and personal attacks occur on a daily basis.

So, for me, I will go on to other blogs. I'll believe things will get better on the Fix, after it gets better.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 29, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Folks,

As predicted, "37th and 0" has re-appeared under a series of other names (several of which I have banned) since we initially banned him/her on Sunday.

This is nothing new: "ChrisFox" aka "noacoler" has done the same thing repeatedly as well.

I am told that a new and far better comments section is coming within the next month at the Fix.

I hope some of the more reasonable commenters -- I know you are out there! -- and folks who refuse to participate in the current commenting melee stick around to see if we can make this better.

Comments section don't have to be ruled by a few people shouting at each other on opposite sides of the political spectrum. I am hoping we can prove that in the coming months.

Thanks for your patience.
Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | June 29, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


You have been banned 3 times - so are you in the boycott or out ??


A little confusing you say you are boycotting, yet you are here.


Which is it ?

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Posted by: Heatwave | June 29, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Chris Matthews keeps on referring to Obama as "President Carter"


What a laugh


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Posted by: Heatwave | June 29, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who are having trouble keeping track of Mark Kirk's military lies, here's a list (so far):


As of about a week ago, the list was up to eight separate incidents: Kirk (1) falsely claimed he served "in" Operation Iraqi Freedom; (2) falsely claimed to "command the war room in the Pentagon"; (3) falsely claimed to have won the U.S. Navy's Intelligence Officer of the Year award; (4) falsely claimed to have been shot at by the Iraqi Air Defense network; (5) falsely claimed to be a veteran of Desert Storm; (6) falsely claimed to be the only lawmaker to serve during Operation Iraqi Freedom; and (7) falsely claimed to have been shot at in Kosovo; and (8) falsely claimed to have been shot at in Kandahar.


We can add number 9 with the deployment debunking, in which Kirk repeatedly claims his annual training missions are deployments. The Navy begs to differ.


Also number 10, as well, since we now have confirmation from the DOD that Kirk had violated Pentagon policy by conducting partisan political activity while on active duty, which Kirk has strenuously denied, even to the point of claiming that the Obama administration altered his record.


Can Kirk break a dozen lies? Given the latest polling, maybe he should try an entirely new tactic. Like say, TELLING THE TRUTH!


Kirk is a serial liar, he needs to resign.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 29, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Isn't repetition fun? Reading the same post over and over makes for a great blog. Just look at the comment counts. Wow.

Isn't repetition fun? Reading the same post over and over makes for a great blog. Just look at the comment counts. Wow.

Isn't repetition fun? Reading the same post over and over makes for a great blog. Just look at the comment counts. Wow.

Isn't repetition fun? Reading the same post over and over makes for a great blog. Just look at the comment counts. Wow.

Have fun, you two. You have it all to yourselves.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Funny how the democrats never want to call Blumenthal a liar.


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Posted by: Heatwave | June 29, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Poor lonely Ped.

Posted by: Moonbat | June 29, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"embellishments," CC calls them. "Misrememberings."

A liar who can't bring himself to call them lies. Won't git fooled agin.

Dishonesty:Republicans = water:fish

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Mark Kirk was a member of the 1986 Chicago Bears football championship team. He started at free safety. He was so fast that to this day no one remembers seeing him play.


Mark Kirk won the Tour de France ten times before Lance Armstrong had even learned how to ride a bike


Mark Kirk speaks 15 languages fluently. If you don't understand what Mark is saying it's because you are not as fluent as he is.


Mark Kirk captured Osama bin Laden with his bare hands and buried him in his back yard. That's why no one can find Osama.


Mark Kirk once won “Who Wants to be a Millionaire” in 1 minute. A record that is so unbreakable that the producers had to erase it so as not to intimidate the other players.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 29, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The statement from the Daily Kos can be changed to apply to Obama:


Statement from the the American People:


We voted for Obama to do what he said in the campaign of 2008 - work hard at being bipartisan, finding bipartisan solutions with the Republicans, and to be post-racial.

Based on the Obama's job performane, it's clear that we did not get what we voted for. We were defrauded by Obama and the democrats, and while we don't know if some or all of the campaign was fabricated or manipulated beyond recognition, we know we can't trust it.


Meanwhile, Obama and the democrats have refused to offer any explanation. Early in this process, We asked for and they offered to provide us with their raw data for independent analysis and after Scott Brown was elected, Obama was handed a golden opportunity to be bipartisan — which could potentially exculpate them.

That was five months ago, and despite repeated promises, Obama and the democrats refused to do what they said they would.

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Can't make this stuff up folks - who in the world would have thought all this would have happened this way.


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Posted by: Heatwave | June 29, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I think there's a dead blog under the dishwasher, that would explain the smell and all the flies buzzing around.

Phew.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I think there's a dead blog under the dishwasher, that would explain the smell and all the flies buzzing around.

Phew.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Politico is reporting that the Daily Kos has admitted that it has been publishing fraudulent polling data.


I guess that settles the dispute with broadwayjoe over Rasmussen.

Research 2000 is being accused of fraud by the Daily Kos - you just can NOT make this stuff up.

Statement from the Daily Kos:

We contracted with Research 2000 to conduct polling and to provide us with the results of their surveys. Based on the report of the statisticians, it's clear that we did not get what we paid for. We were defrauded by Research 2000, and while we don't know if some or all of the data was fabricated or manipulated beyond recognition, we know we can't trust it. Meanwhile, Research 2000 has refused to offer any explanation. Early in this process, I asked for and they offered to provide us with their raw data for independent analysis — which could potentially exculpate them. That was two weeks ago, and despite repeated promises to provide us that data, Research 2000 ultimately refused to do so.


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WOW


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Posted by: Heatwave | June 29, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"Prior to Kirk's repeated misrememberings about his military resume," The Fix

Chris his military record and speeches are factual so these are not "misrembereings" (what ever that is) or allegations but proven fabrications. He is not Palin so you don't have to honor his fantasy.

He should have added to his quoted statement"I was not thinking," this statement that would have flushed out the truth: "that I was going to get caught since I have been doing this for long and in so many settings to my political advantage".

Adding Giannoulias' family problems as factual though was a nice touch. He was away from the bank for four (4) years before it was seized but certainly his stain should permanent on the Fix and not be clarified in any way.

Posted by: jake3D | June 29, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Ped simply can't honor the boycott. It's pathological.

Reminds me of the free rider problem in Econ. I suppose ped has been a free rider all her life.

Posted by: Moonbat | June 29, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Kirk's 'unthinking carelessness' is typical of most of these sad little people who cannot honestly represent ANYTHING. That this one happens to be a REpubliKKKan is of no significance.

The significant question is, WHY does he still have the backing of the RepubliKKKan party?

Just another reason to work for the complete destruction fo both of these corrupt institutions that have overseen the looting of our country.

PLEASE, DUMP INCUMBENT AFTER INCUMBENT, TIME AFTER TIME UNTIL POLITICIANS GET THE MESSAGE.
REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, NOT YOUR SPECIAL INTEREST.

WORK AND VOTE AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT YOU CAN. ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.

YOUR VOTE IS THE ONLY TERM-LIMIT YOU HAVE. USE IT.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | June 29, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Kirk (pointing to reporter): First question?

Reporter: Rep. Kirk, do you agree with Rand Paul that the Civil Rights Act should not extend to private business,

Kirk: (bzzz bzzz bzzz evade neither agreeing lest he sound like a yahoo or disagreeing lest he sound disloyal)

Kirk: next question?

Rerporter: Rep. Kirk, do you agree with Sharon Angle that Social Security should be phased out and that it amounts to welfare?

Kirk: (bzzz bzzz bzzz evade neither agreeing lest he sound like a yahoo or disagreeing lest he sound disloyal)

Kirk: next question?

Reporter: Rep. Kirk, do you agree with Sarah Palin that we should open up environmentally sensitive areas to oil drilling even though our portion of the world's reserves is insignificant?

Kirk: (bzzz bzzz bzzz evade neither agreeing lest he sound like a yahoo or disagreeing lest he sound disloyal)

Kirk: (running for the doors, trips on rug, gets up shedding blood and incisors) no mo' kuuhssstwuns

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If Captain Kirk says he was not thinking and was being careless.....

....isn't he not thinking and is being careless?

He'd have more fun navigating USS Enterprise anyway.

Posted by: kishorgala | June 29, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If Captain Kirk was not thinking and was careless, he should not be sent to the Senate.

Even in admitting that he was not thniking and was careless, he was not thinking and was being careless.

This is an infinite do-loop he cannot get out of.

Posted by: kishorgala | June 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

We are tired of LIARs in public office!!!! Why does the American voter continue to vote for known LIARS? He should remove himself from the race. If he doesn't do that, voters should ignore him at the polls.

Posted by: NO-bama | June 29, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Whether the strategy will work or not is more difficult to analyze.

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Let me save you the trouble and spare your little punched-tape loop of an analysis some wear: it won't work.

Liar, liar, your campaign is on fire
All the lies that you tell, the flames will get higher
You better not say things that you don't mean
Or we're gonna get out the gas-o-line
-- Electric Hellfire Club (paraphrased)

Posted by: Noacoler | June 29, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I wonder since when it was proper for the Defense Department to start doing opposition research for the democratic party.

This is a disgrace.


It is clear that the Pentagon has been tasked with digging up dirt on Kirk - a Republican.


Just another abuse of power coming from Obama.

When will this end ???


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Posted by: Heatwave | June 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I hope he doesn't ask the Obungler State Department how to spell it.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 29, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

So Mark is going to claim temporary premature senility as a defense. And THEN he is going back to declaring himself a military hero and Alex a Not-military-hero.

Yeah, right. Let's say that for the moment thsi does reset Kirk to zero, he still has to talk about the economy. Say he attacks Alex's family bank. It went down because his party wrecked the economy and as a result what used to be viable banks got dragged down by the Big Boys of Banking. Alex can make that case. So When Mark attacks the bank, Alex says, yeah, it went under thanks to Mark and his friends.

Kirk still has to run as a republican and the R's have zero actual positive platform to run on.

And Kirk has lots of other wonderful republican things to say that will cause him to Run a Kirkovian race, that is, whenever he sees the press he runs. Such a wonderful explication of the source of the term.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 29, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

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