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Menendez: "If the allegations are true," Alvin Greene should be replaced

Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee chairman Robert Menendez said today that he might like to see another Democrat replace Alvin Greene after last week's controversial South Carolina Democratic primary but reiterated that the national party isn't heavily invested in the seat.

"If the allegations are true, I'd like to see another Democrat replace him unquestionably," Menendez said in an interview on ABC/Washington Post's "Top Line" program.

In the nine days since Greene's surprise win over former state Rep. Vic Rawl, a series of questions have been raised about his candidacy. Chief among them: Was the unemployed military veteran a "plant" by Republicans designed to sew chaos in the Democratic primary, how did he pay the $10,440 filing fee and was voter fraud at work.

Rawl is making his case to the South Carolina Democratic Party this afternoon calling for a new election; a decision on whether to call for a new election is expected this evening.

In contrast to House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, who said last weekend that he saw "elephant dung" all over the primary results, Menendez today stopped short of pointing the finger at Republicans.

"Look, I don't know what the facts are, and so hopefully, we'll get a full vetting of the facts, and we'll know what really happened," Menendez said.

Menendez added that regardless of the outcome of the challenge or the identity of the Democratic nominee in South Carolina his committee doesn't have "unlimited resources" and that the seat "is clearly not in our whole universe of the electoral map where we have focused our attention before Alvin Greene."

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) is a strong favorite to win in the state, which went for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) 54 percent to 45 percent in 2008.

-- Felicia Sonmez

By The Fix  |  June 17, 2010; 4:08 PM ET
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You wrote: "...sew chaos...."

How about "sow"?

Posted by: pcstorandt | June 18, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

With all due respect to my "liberal" friends.
What has happened is that the POTUS has unilaterally called in a private entity and demanded that it turn over a large sum to his chosen management.
No legislative or judicial action. No preexisting authority. Just a ukase.
PLEASE ask whether you are comfortable with this type of power in one person's hands. 

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Yeah he sic'd the Men With Guns on a private entity just trying to make an honest dollar.  There aren't enough handkerchiefs in America to hold all the tears I feel the need to shed for British Petroleum.

Pure BS.  BP was licensed to drill for oil off the America coastline and to profit from publicly owned resources and in exchange for that profit they were expected to follow rules and take every possible precaution against leaks.  There is evidence and testimony that not only did they violate those rules, they intimidated workers to questioned those violations, and now they have cost billions of dollars in damage and incalculable environmental damage, including the permanent extinction of entire species.  

And if you're more concerned about "government interference in business" than the consequences of those violations then you ought to get a chromosome count because I don't think you're human.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

the POTUS has unilaterally called in a private entity and demanded that it turn over a large sum to his chosen management.
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Not exactly right. It wasn't unilateral. BP agreed.

If your sympathies are with BP, join Joe Barton who apologized to BP for the escrow account, calling it a shakedown. Well, actually, you can't join Joe, because Joe has already retracted his shakedown comment.

Don't know who agrees with you.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

With all due respect to my "liberal" friends.
What has happened is that the POTUS has unilaterally called in a private entity and demanded that it turn over a large sum to his chosen management.
No legislative or judicial action. No preexisting authority. Just a ukase.
PLEASE ask whether you are comfortable with this type of power in one person's hands.
If you are comfortable would you still be so if that person were [a POTUS whose position you don't support]

Posted by: miriamac2001 | June 18, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

'You'll never make it as a P.I., or a sci-fi writer, or a political commentator, or an economist, or ..

Posted by: Brigade |'

nor will you, or much of anything else either, clearly. this is your life__LOL -- what a pathetic freak.

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, I have to leave you to drindl and the other troll until tomorrow evening. If they do enough speed they may be able to spam straight through til then.

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

'Easy, dirndl, when brigade logs out as bumblingberry and logs back in as brigade, he answers every postnthat went before save his own and 37th, with some snark and some sordid sh|t in each, so he recaps the whole day.'

you forgot moonbat before noon, when he changes into his second superman suit.


god, they are both on here constantly for like 14, 16 hours a day -- how does anyone live like that?

they are probably both crashed in some filthy corner for the night.

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

This from the Heritage Foundation TODAY:

...was a “shakedown” of Godfather-like proportions. Lets review:

1) BP agreed to pay $20 billion over four years to an “independent” party; 2) BP immediately identified $20 billion in U.S. assets that could be liquidated should BP not be able to pay on time; 3) BP received no assurances that the ultimate economic damages would not be higher; 4) BP is still liable for all individual and state claims in court; 5) The fund is completely separate from any environmental damages, which the Obama administration says could top $30 billion; 6) BP paid another $100 million for workers made unemployed by President Obama’s indefinite ban on offshore oil drilling; 7) BP received no assurance that the White House would not ask for more money if the ban becomes permanent."
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The reason I included all the bullet points is because I thought it was a fairly good summary.
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No mention of Joe Barton's retraction.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Easy, dirndl, when brigade logs out as bumblingberry and logs back in as brigade, he answers every postnthat went before save his own and 37th, with some snark and some sordid sh|t in each, so he recaps the whole day.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 8:44 PM
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You'll never make it as a P.I., or a sci-fi writer, or a political commentator, or an economist, or ... well, at least as idiots you and "dirndl" have few peers.

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Dino Rossi -- another populist!

"Dino Rossi is keeping his day job while he runs for Senate in Washington. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. But Rossi's day job entails very publicly helping rich people profit off the misfortune of those unlucky enough to have bought a house in the last four years or so. And that's leaving some in Washington a little confused about his priorities.

Rossi is a former gubernatorial nominee, and national Republicans are stoked about him now that he's decided to run for Senate against incumbent Sen. Patty Murray (D). Sticking with the job he had before he announced his candidacy, Rossi has decided stay on as the headline speaker for a series of seminars advising real estate speculators on how to profit off the collapsed mortgage market. Today, his spokeperson told Salon that he plans do more before he's done.

It's becoming increasingly clear that Rossi thinks he can win while literally tying himself to America's mortgage crisis on the side of the folks who are making big bucks by buying up houses people trapped in the mortgage scam have lost. It's a strange strategy. But is it as damaging as it looks?

Democrats certainly think it is. "The fact that he's pitching how to make money off
foreclosures and how to get a great deal on an $11 million waterfront property just shows how out of touch he is," Washington Democratic party spokesperson Anne Martens told me today. "He could have gotten out of this contract. He must have known that appearing as a slick salesman for multi-million dollar real estate speculators wasn't going to help his campaign."

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

They all left to go download new talking points, emergency out-of-band upgrade because of the BP apologist

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 10:02 PM
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I'm not surprised that if you flip on the light, bang, they're gone. All except 37th, he would argue theology with the Pope. We should bottle this "poor BP" business and sell it newcomers on the blog. We could make a mint.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

They all left to go download new talking points, emergency out-of-band upgrade because of the BP apologist

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what happened to all the conservatives?

I didn't even hear the door slam.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Time for a distraction.

Open Sarah's cage.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 9:30 PM
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YOU could be a political strategist. Of course, release a bright shiny object.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Barton's film is already in the can.
Th DCCC should demand that Barton
be removed from the Energy Committee.
No do overs. Barton has repeated his sentiments
over and over; his sentiments are no secret.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 17, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

As we speak, I'm listening to right wing talk radio, John Batchelor, just to see what the buzz is.

It's poor BP, all the way.

"Well, maybe BP cut corners a little, but that's all 20/20 hindsight. Obama is anti-business. Feinburg, administrator of the escrow fund, is just another Harvard lawyer, inside-Washington guy. The claims could sink BP. In their show trials, Congress only gets sympathy for the witness (i.e. BP CEO)."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Time for a distraction.

Open Sarah's cage.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

this might become an explosive political issue.
If Rs should take over the House, Joe Barton,
BP apologist in chief, would become the Chairman of the House Energy Committee. That
might make an interesting general election commercial.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 17, 2010 9:15 PM
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I think the GOP figured it the same way and brought the hammer down hard and fast on Barton. No punches pulled. Trying to get this out of the news as fast as possible. But, will they be able to stuff the genie back in the bottle? I doubt it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Armpeg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_in_the_United_States_Congress

I'll narrow the list down.

Starting from 1900
CONGRESSMEN
George Henry White 1897-1901
Oscar Stanton De Priest 1929-1935
Gary Franks 1991-1997
J. C. Watts 1995-2003

SENATORS
Edward William Brooke, III 1967-1979

holy shiznuts, you guys had TWO blackies in Congress in the 90s? ZOMG, U IS SOOO DIBERSE!

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

this might become an explosive political issue.
If Rs should take over the House, Joe Barton,
BP apologist in chief, would become the Chairman of the House Energy Committee. That
might make an interesting general election commercial.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 17, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Ok, back to business.

So, can the GOP stuff the genie back into the bottle on this "poor BP" business? Somehow, I doubt it. I think it's probably already viral. Anybody watch Glenn Beck? Has he incorporated the $20b BP escrow into his version of Crime, Inc., where he tries to indict Obama on his whiteboard.

As we all know, if Beck pronounces it so, then for the Tea Party, it IS so. Beck is considered original sourcing for a lot of these folks.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"You just can't make this stuff up.

[Voter fraud in Alvin Greene scandal. Baggers suspected. Developing...]

Posted by: armpit | June 17, 2010 8:49 PM"

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 17, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The left-wing liberal Democraps, who are without a doubt the most racist people on the planet
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I just thought this line deserved highlighting. All we need is Jon Stewart, to look right into the camera, and raise his left eyebrow. Higher. Higher.

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Wrong thread again, sue me

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

But Bob Dornan was a real human being who but for his military connection would have been a Democrat.

The TP types now defecating out their mouths aren't real human beings.

Eight posts, one not brigade. Invested much?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

You just can't make this stuff up.
The left-wing liberal Democraps, who are without a doubt the most racist people on the planet (and apparantly the dumbest too) are suprised that Alvin Greene won the nomination in the S.C. Senate race, against their "approved" candidate Vic Rawl. What a shock!!!
Anyone with even an iota of common sense can see what happened, and why. They though, being as dumb as posts (no surprise there), all think that somehow their "approved" candidate Vic Rawl was cheated out of this seat somehow (they don't know how or what happened though) when in fact it's their own parties racism that undid them and threw a monkey wrench into their plan.
To those dumbos, here's what happened. Fact! Alvin Greene is black, and Vic Rawl is white. While the white registered Democrap voters of S.C. probably went 50-50 for and against Alvin and Vic, the racist black S.Carolinian Democrap voters practically all voted for the black candidate ONLY because of tribal solidarity. This is not unusual anywhere in the USA. Any time you have a black brother or sister running against a non-black Democrap nominee for a political seat, it's always the same. They'll vote en masse for their tribal member every time. If whites were to do that, they'd be called 'racists'.
I'd bet the farm that these racists will vote for Obama in 2012, even if the economy is worse than the Great Depression, the un-employment number is 50%, with half of all Americans standing in Soup lines, and Obama having governed for 4 years like Idi Amin, Adolph Hitler, or Joe Stalin (he** they'll just blame everything on Bush, as they're doing now)!

Posted by: armpeg | June 17, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Easy, dirndl, when brigade logs out as bumblingberry and logs back in as brigade, he answers every postnthat went before save his own and 37th, with some snark and some sordid sh|t in each, so he recaps the whole day.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

'the government should not get into the habit of using strong-armed tactics on private business,'

BS. It wasn't strongarm tactics-- it was BP trying to mitigate a PR disaster. They did this of their own free will. They have a brand in this country, a franchise, it makes them a lot of money -- they spend a ton on advertising.

So it was just the smart thing to do. It's peanuts for them anyway.

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Oliver North: "This is a $20 billion slush fund." Discussing the escrow account on Hannity, Fox News contributor Oliver North stated, "This is a $20 billion slush fund."
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Whoops a daisy!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"But you hang out here all day, too. What's the excuse for that?

Posted by: Brigad"

Gee, what would make you think that unless you were here all day, as well as evening?

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"Certainly an idiot for saying it. I have no idea what was in his mind. There is some merit to the argument that the government should not get into the habit of using strong-armed tactics on private business, but I think most would agree that this is an extraordinary circumstance and certainly as defensible as the government moving in on the banks when Bush was still in office. I don't see any political advantage to getting on the wrong side of something like this.

Posted by: Brigade"

Ditto. Can't add much to this. I certainly don't think that this is a fringe idea. Perhaps Barton was a little stronger in his wording than most, but plenty of GOPers have expressed some sort of sympathy towards BP.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

On Sean Hannity's Fox News show, Stuart Varney complained that Obama was "going to force BP to put, what, $20 billion into this fund." Varney subsequently said, "I'm going to call it a political slush fund." Hannity later added, "I agree with you on the slush fund." [Hannity, 6/15/10]
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Another whoops.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

no, NO, Broadway joe, you just don't understand.

Obama's real name is Abraham Murray Lincoln, but he decided to use Barack Hussein Obama instead, because it would make it easier to be elected.

Get it now?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

If they couldn 't beat Bunning they would be wasting valuable resources in Ky

What would Rs be saying today had Obama walked away from his meeting with no financial commitment from BP?
Mark Haynes a regular on CNBC said it best this am when he said what is with these folks in the GOP Obama is too tough Obama is too weak with BP they don t know what the heck they want. And what would they have said had BP been pushed into bankruptcy like Enron and they had zero walled off?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 17, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

shrink, 'Brigade''s evening social life appears to be hanging on this board attacking every other poster in a repellent fashion. just like some other folks we know...

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 8:23 PM
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Well, that gives us at least one thing in common. But you hang out here all day, too. What's the excuse for that?

Noacoler's been educating me on those sophisticated Democratic South Carolina primary voters---you know, the same ones who chose Alvin Greene as their candidate for the US Senate. Their level of sophistication is at least the equal of yours and Noacoler's. Don't you think?

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

He did. She, using her REAL name, won't.

Nimrata Kaur Randhawa should use her real name on the ballot, no? I mean Harry Reid can't call himself "Abe Lincoln" or "John Wayne" on the ballot, can he?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 17, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's from Rush Limbaugh today:

Rush continued his attack on the escrow account that will pay out $20 billion of BP funds to those hurt financially by the oil spill, again calling it a "slush fund" and characterizing President Obama as a "thug" who is engaging in "organized crime" by securing the money. Limbaugh claimed it was evidence of "social justice, otherwise known as getting even" and claimed that people should be wary because the funds could be given out to union members or ACORN. Continuing his crime analogy, Limbaugh said BP had paid protection money in the form of campaign donations, but that the White House was still involved in a "shakedown."
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Whoops.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

shrink, 'Brigade''s evening social life appears to be hanging on this board attacking every other poster in a repellent fashion. just like some other folks we know...

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

A Democratic primary versus a Republican general election.

I know it's hard with a head full of crap but please try to keep up.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 8:15 PM
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Oh yes, I forgot: the sophisticated South Carolina Democrats vs. the nasty, stupid, bigoted South Carolina Republicans. And STILL so very angry! Take a load in the eye?

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

"12bb, I hadn't heard about this. Thanks. I really don't get it. I don't see any kind of upside to this mindless BP defense. I realize Obama is looking like the hero of the day with securing $20 billion from BP, but the GOP can't possibly believe they can turn public opinion by this support of BP, can they?"

The only upside is money into their campaign coffers, but as PR, it was really clubfooted. They are trying to walk it back, but it's already out there.

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Barton isn't the only Republican on the record for defending BP.

Rep. Price, of the Republican Study Committee posted this on the website:

“BP’s reported willingness to go along with the White House’s new fund suggests that the Obama Administration is hard at work exerting its brand of Chicago-style shakedown politics. These actions are emblematic of a politicization of our economy that has been borne out of this Administration’s drive for greater power and control. It is the same mentality that believes an economic crisis or an environmental disaster is the best opportunity to pursue a failed liberal agenda."

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There are 115 GOP members of the RSC.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

"Barton's an idiot. No further explanation is necessary.

Posted by: Brigade"

I disagree. I need further explanation.

Is he an idiot for thinking it or for saying it?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 8:05 PM

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Certainly an idiot for saying it. I have no idea what was in his mind. There is some merit to the argument that the government should not get into the habit of using strong-armed tactics on private business, but I think most would agree that this is an extraordinary circumstance and certainly as defensible as the government moving in on the banks when Bush was still in office. I don't see any political advantage to getting on the wrong side of something like this.

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Didn't someone named Barack Hussein Obama win a primary election against someone named Clinton in South Carolina? Go figure.

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A Democratic primary versus a Republican general election.

I know it's hard with a head full of crap but please try to keep up.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

BWJ, I think it's already policy for the WaPo to not cite Rasmussen polls in its actual news reporting. I'm sure that opinion people like Chris C are allowed to cite whatever they want.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Some are questioning whether Phalin endorsee and Stockholm Syndrome-teabagger Mrs. Nimrata Kaur Randhawa should be allowed to use her fake stage name "Nikki Haley" on the ballot. Any guesses on how many tea bagger/Yahoo votes Mrs. Randhawa will get in the general election for SC Governor if her REAL name is used?
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0? 2? 12? 14?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 17, 2010 8:05 PM
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Didn't someone named Barack Hussein Obama win a primary election against someone named Clinton in South Carolina? Go figure.

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar: no, R. Crumb, the Checkered Demon, "The Hog Ridin" Fools":

"don't count yer chickens, sh*face."

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

12B, how can you stand it?
Gotta run,

Posted by: shrink2 | June 17, 2010 8:00 PM
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Sometimes, I can't. To be honest, if I were a better person, I'd never be able to stand it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

That's what comes of living in an echo chamber. Republicans think that deep down everyone is just like them, everyone between NYC and SF, anyway, and we aren't.

Don't count your chickens, brigade sh*tface

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 7:41 PM
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Not sure what post you mean to reference. You're not making much sense. As usual. And testy, testy. All that pent up rage. And the name-calling! Did you drop the soap down at the Y?

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"Barton's an idiot. No further explanation is necessary.

Posted by: Brigade"

I disagree. I need further explanation.

Is he an idiot for thinking it or for saying it?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Some are questioning whether Phalin endorsee and Stockholm Syndrome-teabagger Mrs. Nimrata Kaur Randhawa should be allowed to use her fake stage name "Nikki Haley" on the ballot. Any guesses on how many tea bagger/Yahoo votes Mrs. Randhawa will get in the general election for SC Governor if her REAL name is used?
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0? 2? 12? 14?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 17, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his corrupt group of thieves are creating their own chaos! More and more in the DEM Party are pushing back hard at the continued deficit spending despite their pay/go promises.

Alvin Greene is the least of their problems. More job losses in today's report.

Watch for the Administration try to get the rest of the Stimulus money out the door to try and make the jobless numbers and the economy look better than the voters know it really is.

Posted by: Jimbo77 | June 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, I am not so sure that Dems are just going to cede Kentucky. I'm not saying this is smart or not, but they went after McConnell pretty hard in 2008. Yeah, the environment was better then, but McConnell was also a tougher opponent than Paul is likely to be. And they were also planning to go after Bunning pretty hard. While Paul is probably a better candidate than Bunning, he is also very inexperienced. And Conway looks to be a Kentucky style Democrat. I don't think the Dems will fight real hard for this, but I don't think they will let Paul have it in a walk either.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe that's what came over Barton. He probably thought "those idiots aren't voting for Obama no matter what. Why do we have to pretend to care about them?"

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 7:27 PM
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Barton's an idiot. No further explanation is necessary.

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

12B, how can you stand it?
Gotta run,

Posted by: shrink2 | June 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

@shrink,

Glad you're back.

From one squarehead to another...

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is personally responsible for not making sure that MMS did not conduct the OIL RIG SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY.

It is about time Obama resign.


Immediately.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 17, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

brigade sh*tface?

Does he drink too much?

Posted by: shrink2 | June 17, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Forget about Ky brigade the DSC will likely walk away from that race by Sept regardless of the netroots wtet dreams.
As for Nevada one of the polls at Real Politics had it down to 4 points last week w/I the margin of error down from double digits amonth ago.
But there is no reason for eiither of us to cherry pick the poll that best fits our party allegiance. Ignore all of them until after Labor Day when traditionally campaigns start and the advertising begins. In Pa Sestak was down by 15 points until his killer ad went up and he ended up winning by a comfortable margin. Campaigns are won b/w Sept and Nov not in June.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 17, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

My plan would be to just shut up and hope no one realizes that Obama nabbed $20 billion from public enemy #1.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 7:34 PM
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Thank you, Joe Barton, because EVERYBODY knows about it now.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"Was the unemployed military veteran a 'plant' by Republicans designed to sew chaos in the Democratic primary"

You guys are in the word business, aren't you? It's "sow," not "sew."

Posted by: jmc2 | June 17, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Problem with crazy, time. Time vets crazy.
Republicans worked hard and earned the embrace of their crazy base, they will take those votes to the polls and they will lose badly.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 17, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

That's what comes of living in an echo chamber. Republicans think that deep down everyone is just like them, everyone between NYC and SF, anyway, and we aren't.

Don't count your chickens, brigade sh*tface

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

ddawd wrote: the GOP can't possibly believe they can turn public opinion by this support of BP, can they?

I think the far better strategy is to just clam up about it.
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My guess: things got out of control. When you have Limbaugh, and God forbid, the conspiracy king Beck and his magic whiteboard, the spin on this was going to get out of control.

I think the GOP decided to clamp down on this quick before it got legs, because the polling on this isn't "poor BP". They probably made the calculation to take the negative hit today and make it sound like a couple bad apples (Barton, Price) then to have half their base chanting Poor BP.

Sometimes Democrats get a gift from God. Joe Barton is today's gift.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Trusty Republican dumpster fire, still burning, still stinking.

November is a long way off...for Republicans, it seems to be running away faster than time is moving toward it.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 17, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

It is about time Obama is honest that he did not keep his word when it came to OFFSHORE DRILLING SAFETY.

Obama's people were supposed to make sure the SAFETY INSPECTIONS WERE CONDUCTED PROPERLY.


OBAMA'S INEXPERIENCE AND LACK OF QUALIFICATIONS IS THE CAUSE OF THE EXPLOSION WHICH KILLED 11 PEOPLE AND HUNDREDS OF BIRDS.

Sadly, the democrats only care about the birds.


Obama should take responsibility.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 17, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

12bb, I hadn't heard about this. Thanks. I really don't get it. I don't see any kind of upside to this mindless BP defense. I realize Obama is looking like the hero of the day with securing $20 billion from BP, but the GOP can't possibly believe they can turn public opinion by this support of BP, can they?

I think the far better strategy is to just clam up about it. The press seems to whitewash Dem accomplishments and they don't have nearly the media machine that the GOP has. My plan would be to just shut up and hope no one realizes that Obama nabbed $20 billion from public enemy #1.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Voter fraud for sure...follow the money.
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BTW, we commend to Fix's reading the Washington Post. Read it sometime, it's pretty good. Today the Post totally decimates Scott Rasmussen and his so called polling. An excerpt:

"Markos Moulitsas, the creator of the Daily Kos blog, has accused the pollster of "setting the narrative that Democrats are doomed" with numbers that fuel hours of Republican-boosting on talk radio and cable.

The old guard of the polling industry charges that Rasmussen merely makes educated guesses, like a market-savvy contestant on a political "The Price Is Right," and considers him a threat to the standards of an industry already facing existential challenges. Those traditional peers fear Rasmussen's rise signals the fall of the in-depth probing that politicians, policymakers and reporters have turned to for more than half a century."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/16/AR2010061605090.html?hpid=artslot
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Fix's employer has spoken: No more citation of Raz-is-messin polls in this space, por favor...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 17, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Later Thursday, Boehner, Cantor (Va.) and Conference Chairman Mike Pence (Ind.) issued a statement denouncing Barton's comments.

"Congressman Barton's statements this morning were wrong," the Republicans said.

same link

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Bridage, tongue in cheek. I'm not sure how many votes Louisiana will have next election, but they aren't going to Obama, no matter what.

Maybe that's what came over Barton. He probably thought "those idiots aren't voting for Obama no matter what. Why do we have to pretend to care about them?"

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse


By Aaron Blake and Paul Kane
Thursday, June 17, 2010; 5:11 PM

Under pressure from Republican leaders who threatened to remove him from a ranking committee position, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) late Thursday retracted his apology to BP CEO Tony Hayward for the way his company has been treated by the U.S. government

According to a GOP leadership aide, Barton met with House Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio) and Minority Whip Eric Cantor (Va.) Thursday afternoon, and was told, "Apologize, immediately. Or you will lose your [subcommittee] position, immediately. Now that he has apologized, we'll see what happens going forward."

Another aide said Barton would now not be removed unless he goes on "the TV circuit" and causes further controversy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/17/AR2010061703756.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


Obama first committed to be in the campaign finance program, then he pulled out.

The credit card controls on Obama's computer have been under suspicion - let's all be serious.

There has been widespread agreement for years that the Presidential candidates should be on the same plane financially - and yet Obama chose to go against that.


Which was a step-backward in campaign finance reforms.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 17, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"When BP CEO Tony Hayward testified before Congress this morning, many expected to hear him apologize for the disaster his company has caused. Instead, GOP Congressman Joe Barton was the one saying he was sorry -- to BP.

In his opening statement, Barton, the top Republican on the committee overseeing the oil spill and its aftermath, delivered a personal apology to the oil giant. He said the $20 billion fund that President Obama directed BP to establish to provide relief to the victims of the oil disaster was a "tragedy in the first proportion."

Other Republicans are echoing his call. Sen. John Cornyn said he "shares" Barton's concern. Rep. Michele Bachmann said that BP shouldn't agree to be "fleeced." Rush Limbaugh called it a "bailout." The Republican Study Committee, with its 114 members in the House, called it a "shakedown."

Brilliant, folks, keep it rolling.

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Their base would say that is their appeal. The establishment GOP would say not.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:19 PM
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I'm sure the Republicans appreciate your concern, but you can relax; they'll do quite nicely in November.

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

There were irregularities in the voting in several counties, that is known already. So there will be an investigation and we will see.

They are going to let Sharron Angle out of her bunker to go to this event -- this should be precious. How much you want to bet it's closed to the press?

"Tea party hero and newly elected Senate nominee Sharron Angle (R-NV) will be a featured speaker at the Tea Party Nation's Unity Convention in Las Vegas this summer, the group announced.


Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips boasted to members Angle would speak at the July 15-17 convention at a swanky new Vegas casino. "Her dedication to 
upholding the Constitution while serving in the Nevada State Assembly 
is something we need more politicians doing," Phillips said in the email, which also boasted that, "[t]hough a lifelong Republican, Sharron was frequently at odds with her 
Assembly and Party colleagues, with many votes coming down '"62-to-Angle' during her four term tenure in the Nevada state house."

As we've been reporting, Angle is not a "lifelong Republican." She was in the Independent American Party and was a Democrat in the early 1980s."

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

@ddawd,

Are you aware that GOP leaders threatened Barton loss of his committee leadership, unless he retraced his "poor BP" comments. And he did.

Seems like a schism to me.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

First indication that Republicans are starting to notice that voters don't like total yahoos.

Wonder whist the wakeup call was? Paul? Angle?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 6:15 PM

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Seen any polls that don't have Angle and Paul leading? Didn't think so. Get used to it. But rave on, by all means, if it makes you feel less the dolt.

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I predict the GOP is going to have a real "come to Jesus" meeting with all their candidates and soon.

Sharron Angle was called to Washington because the establishment GOP feared that she wasn't going to get out quickly enough to counter Reid's campaign. If she doesn't get out there quickly to quell the "wacky" angle on her, she'll fail at fundraising and the upcoming election.

Compound that need to be quick on the feet, with the need to stuff the wacky ideas these candidates were JUST campaigning on, well... and spout more acceptable GOP positions.

Does Rand Paul or Sharron Angle or Sarah Palin strike you as the type of seasoned politicians who can change their message on a dime? Not.

Their base would say that is their appeal. The establishment GOP would say not.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"This guy won fair and square"

And you know this how?

And do you really want to start trading comments about bad politicians? Seriously, for every Dem you list there are half a dozen Republicans doing the same thing.

Get a clue moron.

Posted by: steve-2304 | June 17, 2010 4:34 PM

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Looks like you're the moron. We know that he won fair and square because we have seen no evidence to the contrary. Do you have some you'd like to present? How do we KNOW Obama won fair and square? Because you have no good reason to believe otherwise.

And even if Greene WAS a Republican plant, why did 60% of the moronic Democratic primary voters go for him. I suppose the voting machines were rigged. Right? Repblicans are SO worried about defending this seat.

You say there are a dozen Republicans for every Dem "doing the same thing". Why didn't you list them? Could it be you're full of crap? Or maybe you meant that after November there'll be a dozen Republicans for every Dem in Congress. Is that what you meant, genius?

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Who knows, the electoral votes in Louisiana might be gettable after all.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 5:46 PM
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After the drilling moratorium throws 25% of gulf residents out of work? I'd say he's throwing LA under the bus to appeal to libs elsewhere. I notice you're not sounding nearly as provincial as you do when you talk about Bush and Katrina. Good thing the moratorium---for LA I mean?

Posted by: Brigade | June 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

12BB, I'm not even sure that it's such a schism. Republicans have been howling about the abuse of BP for some time now. I don't know of any Republicans who have fought back against this other than Joseph Cao (who suggested a sword to the stomach might be an appropriate response here) and a Congressman from Florida who lambasted Barton. But if anything it's the establishment is more like "keep it down, dude. Are you TRYING to lose us more votes??" But not so much overt disagreement. And when you emphatic support of BP and only lukewarm opposition to this position, guess which side people are going to hear more.

It was Jeff Miller of Florida who called for Barton to leave his post.

But I think the GOP was just so weary of having to pretend like they care about Louisiana that they were bound to slip at some point. Barton will be muzzled and the party walks on eggshells, but they will make mistake again. Holding an oil company accountable just goes against their DNA.

Another thing is that the GOP have a pretty efficient talking point dissemination mechanism. And Beck and Hannity and so forth are mindless amplifiers. And when Barton said BP was being shaken down, the punditocracy immediately started disseminating that point. And they will continue to do it. And the GOP will suffer as a result.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

They sure put a muzzle on the Repulican BP lovers fast, didn't they?

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 6:58 PM
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The GOP is definitely trying to get those muzzles on fast and snapped down quick. The question: will it work? Did they get out there fast enough?

The problem with the Tea Party-backed GOPers, is that they recently built favor with their base expounding on the meme that the White House is trying to socialize the nation, so it must seem crazy to them to have to shut the chuck up, all of a sudden.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

What or who is the Republican Study Committee?

Republican Study Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-GA) issued the following statement after the White House announced it had reached a deal with BP to require the oil company to place $20 billion into an escrow fund to pay claims filed against the company in the wake of the Gulf oil spill.

...“BP’s reported willingness to go along with the White House’s new fund suggests that the Obama Administration is hard at work exerting its brand of Chicago-style shakedown politics."

http://rsc.tomprice.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=191125

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

They sure put a muzzle on the Repulican BP lovers fast, didn't they?

How are any of these folks going to campaign if the leadership is afraid to let them near a microphone?

Posted by: drindl | June 17, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

VIOLENT TALLY

Tea Party 0

Democratic Members of Congress 1

I haven't heard too many democrats on this blog retract their earlier comments - but it would be appropriate.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 17, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Barton's apology to BP: above the fold

Barton's retraction: page 12 of the Living section

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 6:49 PM
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Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

The GOP establishment would like to reverse that. Do you think they'll get to Price, too? Can we expect a wave of retractions?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Barton's apology to BP: above the fold

Barton's retraction: page 12 of the Living section

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's just not forget that Obama was going to give BP a safety award right before the explosion.

The ceremony was cancelled.


Democrats at work.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 17, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Well, I didn't know how the Republicans would manage to pull this off, but they did. They have successfully pulled the focus off Obama and onto themselves as a bunch of BP apologists (literally!) They have been making far more noise about the victimhood of BP than the suffering of the people in the Gulf Coast area.

Good job, people. Are you worried about Obama shaking down BP? You guys can worry about it. It's what the rest of America wants.

Who knows, the electoral votes in Louisiana might be gettable after all.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 5:46 PM
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We've all been predicting the schism between the establishment GOP and their growing group of Tea Party loons and loonettes. Perhaps, this latest dustup within the party is just another example.

What remains to be seen is whether the establishment GOP can hold onto message control, or whether the loons/ettes have grabbed the microphone. So far, establishment +1, loons 0.

Isn't it ironic that the GOP, famous for message control, is now having trouble with exactly that.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 17, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

If Menendez can not be trusted to respect the results of an election, he should be replaced.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 17, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin Senate Candidate Ron Johnson is apparently not their cup of tea-delays tea party meeting because his answers to their questions are not satisfactory.

From the Milwaukee Journal
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/96528854.html

Posted by: mesondk | June 17, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

First indication that Republicans are starting to notice that voters don't like total yahoos.

Wonder whist the wakeup call was? Paul? Angle?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 17, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, I didn't know how the Republicans would manage to pull this off, but they did. They have successfully pulled the focus off Obama and onto themselves as a bunch of BP apologists (literally!) They have been making far more noise about the victimhood of BP than the suffering of the people in the Gulf Coast area.

Good job, people. Are you worried about Obama shaking down BP? You guys can worry about it. It's what the rest of America wants.

Who knows, the electoral votes in Louisiana might be gettable after all.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 17, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

An additional thought relating to this nomination.
If I recall correctly Melendez became the Democratic candidate for the Senate from New Jersey when it became apparent, just prior to the election, that the nominated candidate could not win because of a scandal. He was replaced with Melendez and it showed that the wishes of the Democratic party are more important than the wishes of the voters in an election.

Posted by: mwhoke | June 17, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

2 points:
1) Even if he was a GOP plant, the voters chose him with actual votes.
2) SC primaries may be open, but voters have to choose one or the other, and there were other compelling primary races on the GOP side, so it's unlikely large numbers of Republicans voted in the Democratic primary. And if they did, how did they all know to vote for Greene without there being massive evidence of collusion?

The simplest explanation is usually correct: There was no compelling candidate and so large numbers of Democratic voters cast a lazy ballot for the first cadidate on the list.

Posted by: Jackmathias | June 17, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The sad facts are that the Democrats do not vet individuals who are running in their primaries.

Scott Cohen in Illinois and now Allen Greene in South Carolina. The pertinant question is who else are they going to allow on a ballot in the future!

Posted by: mwhoke | June 17, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

It's about the people


It's not about the democratic party

Menendez should be replaced.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 17, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"If my aunt had testes she is certainly my uncle."

Modern medical technology and modern views of gender identity have rendered this phrase a false. She easily could still be your aunt, or she may be becoming your aunt who once was your uncle.

Posted by: krush01 | June 17, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

DeMint's position as the heavily favored candidate should cause us to conclude that Greene is not a plant. Where is the motive? In fact, the only people saying he is not legit are the Democrats! And they're saying it because they don't want to help a black man who doesn't look and act like Barack Obama.

Posted by: blasmaic | June 17, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

What has been under-reported (duh!) is that SC uses an open primary...in which there is no requirement to be a member of the party to vote in its primary. That means... lots of Republicans voted for Greene.

In addition, 48 of 50 polling places were suddenly closed on election day, leaving many voters without a place to vote in heavily Democratic areas. And, of course, there are the thousands of lost ballots and the easily hacked electronic voting machines. But, despite a ten thousand dollar check offered by an unemployed man no one ever heard of...it all sounds so legitimate. NOT.

Posted by: Regavra | June 17, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't like DeMint either, but it seems highly unlikely that the GOP would even waste their time messing with this race. DeMint is pretty much a given to win, no matter who his Dem opponent is. Why would they risk anything here?

This doesn't rule out mechanical difficulties, i.e. voting machines malfunctioning, but that kind of reason for Greene's win would be pretty much innocent.

Posted by: dkp01 | June 17, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The South Carolina Democratic Party has got to be squirming. They were not vigilant and didn't notice that Alvin Greene was on the ballot. They have no one to blame but themselves. If there is another election, Alvin will again be elected. If Alvin Greene is guilty of a crime, so be it. He is not the first elected official charged with breaking the law. If Mr. Greene is required to 'step down' because of criminal allegations, then other elected officials should follow suit.

Posted by: Migrant1 | June 17, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

if he won fair and square, there's no problem. but you'ld have to be an idiot, not just a democrat, not to wonder where an unemployed guy who lives with his dad and qualified for a public defender on an obscenity charge got ten grand to file, and even if he had ten grand, what kind of nut would spend his last ten grand on a quixotic campaign like this and not act like Quixote? The man acts like he spent $1.98 and couldn't care less. even democrats can figure out that doesn't add up.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 17, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

ON what basis do the democrats intend to overturn this election?

This just shows the DEMOCRATS DO NOT BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY.

They are simply a criminal organization aimed at protecting their own.


Menendez should be more concerned about replacing Etheridge, Rangel

And cleaning up the rest of his party.

What a joke.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 17, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"This guy won fair and square"

And you know this how?

And do you really want to start trading comments about bad politicians? Seriously, for every Dem you list there are half a dozen Republicans doing the same thing.

Get a clue moron.

Posted by: steve-2304 | June 17, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

This just shows you that the democrats could care less about the rule of law. This guy won fair and square and now they are refusing to support him why?

They had no problem supporting perverts who had sex with boys like Gary Studs, People who put their gay lovers in high places only to bankrupt the country like Barney Frank, people who had sweetheart deals with the banks that went into meltdown and had to be bailed out by the government like Chris Dodds, those who steered business towards their husbands to enrich themselves like Barbara Boxer and finally a rapist and murderer like Teddy Kennedy. I don't know why they are picking on this guy, maybe because he is black?

That does seem to be the liberals answer for everything.

Posted by: Pilot1 | June 17, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse


"If my aunt has testes, she is certainly my uncle."

Dazed Confused Dim

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

DeMint, who is seeking a second six-year term, earns support from 58% of Likely Voters in South Carolina, while Democratic nominee Alvin Greene picks up 21% of the vote. Nine percent (9%) like some other
candidate, and 13% are undecided.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 17, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

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