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Utah Sen. Bob Bennett loses convention fight

Utah Sen. Bob Bennett lost his bid to be nominated for a fourth term Saturday, defeated at the state Republican Party convention amid a strong conservative sentiment that threatens to unseat other establishment-backed Republicans in the months to come.

Bennett, who had spent the past two decades as a respected insider in the Senate, came under fire in recent months for what some claimed were his insufficient conservative bona fides.

Bennett's critics cited his vote for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) as well as his seat on the Senate Appropriations Committee -- both symbols, conservatives said, of his lack of commitment to shrinking the size of government.

While state Republicans had expressed uneasiness with Bennett, it was the DC-based Club for Growth that helped crystallize that opposition. The Club spent more than $200,000 on a combination of television ads, direct mail pieces and phone calls designed to influence the 3,500 (or so) delegates who attended Saturday's state convention.

Under convention rules, all eight candidates appeared on the first ballot. The top three -- attorney Mike Lee, former Congressional candidate Tim Bridgewater and Bennett (in that order) advanced to the second round of balloting.

Bennett was defeated there as Lee, a former counsel to popular former Gov. Jon Huntsman, and Bridgewater, who had lost two races against Rep. Jim Matheson (D), advanced to the final ballot.

Bennett told the Associated Press he has not ruled out a write-in campaign.

Bennett's defeat marks the first time a sitting Senator has lost in an intraparty fight since 2006 when Sen. Joe Lieberman was ousted by wealthy businessman Ned Lamont in the Democratic primary. Lieberman went on to run and win as an independent; under state law Bennett cannot pursue that course.

It also marks the first major victory for the conservative wing of the Republican party, which has organized itself under the banner of the Tea Party movement to protest what they believe to be a government run amok.

Bennett, a reliable conservative on most issues, had repeatedly expressed exasperation at his predicament -- insisting that the ideological right's issues with him were less about his record and more about the tone he struck during the partisan warfare in Washington.

Tea party supporters from across the nation had targeted Bennett as part of the problem in Washington and, with his defeat, are almost certain to be further energized to beat other GOP incumbents and candidates who they feel are not representing the core values of the party.

The next race to watch in the ongoing fight between the GOP establishment and the tea party wing of the party is in Kentucky. Ophthalmologist Rand Paul, who has the strong backing of the tea party movement, is facing off against Secretary of State Trey Grayson, the handpicked candidate of McConnell, on May 18 for the Republican Senate nomination.

Polling suggests Paul is the favorite although Grayson has rolled out several potentially influential endorsements in recent days -- including that of McConnell.

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 8, 2010; 5:31 PM ET
Categories:  Senate  | Tags: Bennett loses, Bob bennett, Mike Lee, Tea party and utah, Tim Bridgewater, Utah Senator loses, Utah convention  
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Wow Noacoler, that is some strong rhetoric. Unfortunately, you haven't made any reasoned argument why anything I wrote was incorrect.

Since when is wanting the Federal government to live within its constitutional boundaries "right wing talking points"? That is funny.

Currently the US debt to GDP ratio is around 60% up from 50% a few years ago. According to the report released last month by Tim Geitner at the US Treasury, we will be at 100% in about 10 years. Greece is at those levels now and is in a very bad position. It seems irresponsible for Utah voters to keep a Senator in place that is part of that problem.

I am not concerned about keeping a senior Senator to bring home Federal pork projects when the fate of the nation is at stake.

If we don't figure out how to pay our nations bills without putting 30 year loans on our unborn kids, we are going to have big problems very shortly (see Greece)

Thanks for the civilized, thoughtful debate!

Aaron G.
Utah Precinct 6 State Delegate

Posted by: aaron_gabrielson | May 10, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

@aaron_g: way to go. You've ejected a senior senator already very conservative in favor of mere oppositionalism. Don't expect educated readers to buy into your constitutional fig leaf, it's nonsense. You're just reciting a bunch of right-wing talking points to justify the great harm you have done to your state and to your nation.

Now Utah will send a man to the Senate who will do nothing but obstruction, this being your stated goal: to stall the nation's business.

"the time has finally come" .. why don't you get a job waving your arms in the air on "The 700 Club" or something. You BLOODY fool.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 10, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Surprises and a few Questions for Chris:

1) The media has not been able to convert the Republican inter-party fight in Utah into another major threat to the Democratic Party. (isn't everything that occurs a threat to the Democrats) What and how long will it take?

2) When will the media analyze the impact of the Tea Party wing of the Republican party on the party's chances to become a national party again? What about the further far rightward push that the tea party wing demands? This is certainly not where the independents, that have decided recent national elections, want to go.

3) If the Tea Party is composed of democrats and republicans why has there been only an effect on Republican internal elections?

Posted by: BobSanderson | May 10, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse


I am one of the Utah state delegates that voted against Bennett on Saturday. I have never been to any "tea party" rallies. People want to make the delegates out as a bunch of wild eyed crazies. I thought the delegates were extremely well informed and understood the implications of what they were doing.

Regardless of whether Bennett is "conservative" or not, the country is headed for financial disaster and instead of hitting the brakes, Bennett has been stepping on the gas.

He has had 18 years to try and reduce entitlement spending and instead he voted to expand them with Medicare Part D. He says he supports the Constitution and limited government, but he proposed forcing every American to purchase health insurance. Personally, the TARP bailout did not factor into my vote much. In fact you didn't hear that mentioned hardly at all. TARP isn't going to add much of anything to the deficit, so besides some Constitutional issues, that wasn't a big deal for most of the delegates.

The delegates felt like the time has finally come to try something different.

I think we felt like the root cause of the problems our country is facing is a Federal government that is no longer the limited, restrained government that the founders set up in the Constitution. The founders created a system where almost all problems would be handled at the State level and the Federal government would just stick with the few things allocated to it in Article 1 Section 8.

Now we have the opposite.

Aaron G.
Utah Precinct 6 State Delegate

Posted by: aaron_gabrielson | May 10, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse


I am one of the Utah state delegates that voted against Bennett on Saturday. I have never been to any "tea party" rallies. People want to make the delegates out as a bunch of wild eyed crazies. I thought the delegates were extremely well informed and understood the implications of what they were doing.

Regardless of whether Bennett is "conservative" or not, the country is headed for financial disaster and instead of hitting the brakes, Bennett has been stepping on the gas.

He has had 18 years to try and reduce entitlement spending and instead he voted to expand them with Medicare Part D. He says he supports the Constitution and limited government, but he proposed forcing every American to purchase health insurance. Personally, the TARP bailout did not factor into my vote much. In fact you didn't hear that mentioned hardly at all. TARP isn't going to add much of anything to the deficit, so besides some Constitutional issues, that wasn't a big deal for most of the delegates.

The delegates felt like the time has finally come to try something different.

I think we felt like the root cause of the problems our country is facing is a Federal government that is no longer the limited, restrained government that the founders set up in the Constitution. The founders created a system where almost all problems would be handled at the State level and the Federal government would just stick with the few things allocated to it in Article 1 Section 8.

Now we have the opposite.

Aaron G.
Utah Precinct 6 State Delegate

Posted by: aaron_gabrielson | May 10, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Not to worry, leichtman. 37th has homowhatsit on the brain. Almost a welcome break from the racism posts.

Incidentally, finally tracked down what JakeD3 was on about yesterday. It's from Monty Python's argument sketch.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 10, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

read my post 37th. I blame TEXAS Rs for our high propery taxes, period.

Noacoler wins the tshirt.
I predicted it would take 24 hrs for the nasty slurs against Kagan to start up, totally forgetting about 37th. It took him exactly 1 hour 34 minutes at 12:42 am to post the first nasty slam against her likely 12 hours before her name is even announced. I never calculated negatives hours in my contest, and 37th has posted hate 12 hours before her name is officially announced, congratulations, on your new world record.

and with his constant rants and spamming of this site he thinks he gets to decide the proper etiquette here and who is banned.
haven't heard such hubris since jake disappeared weeks ago.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 10, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Noacoler


You have been banned. Would you please have some personal honor and just leave?


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 10, 2010 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Christ what a burnout. I wonder what 37th was like before he crisped his brain with stimulants? Doesn't matter, I guess, it doesn't come back.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 10, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Kagan has no experience as a judge?


I guess that is OK because Obama had no experience.


stuff like this should be expected - the affirmative action attitude that anybody can do any job, regardless of experience .


Is Kagan a closet gay ?

I know they had a big fight about whether she was "openly gay" - but they never said whether she was gay or not.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 10, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

@Yt - Won Petey and election and cast the CA Republican party into oblivion. Short term gain, long term loss. THe TP'ers should take note.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 10, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

The hate will come at the same moment as the announcement. People who had never heard if her will scream about her socialism and her hatred of her own race.

Since when have Republicans cared what's true? Not since 1980 at least.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 10, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Alabama Republican Richard Shelby says (bhug gubmint) stock market regulators need to get ahead of the technology.

Another RINO! Hey you spear point politician impaling tea baggers, get that guy.

Meanwhile, I think Kagan was chosen for her beauty. But appearances aren't everything.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


You are blaming the Republicans for high taxes ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

interesting that you should whine about property taxes 37th. We have lived under
R Governors for over 12 years in Texas and guess what we have one of the highest property rates in the nation. Maybe you attribute that
to our state legislature. Wrong R too. How
about our Governor's promise to lower state
property rates in exchange for increases to
state corp rates made last year. Wrong again while state housing prices went down in Texas our rates went up. Has zero to do with race, but we know how everything has to do with race for you.

By the way it looks like Kagan will be selected to the USSCT. Let's have a little contest and see how many hours or days until
the hate starts to drip from the mouths of Rs
about her.
Since its my contest I get the first guess and say 24 hours. I think I am being overly generous. Other guesses?

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

When hispanics buy a house, and look at their property tax bills - then they look at their pay checks and they look at their payroll taxes - Hispanics then start thinking about voting Republican.

The democrats treat the hispanics like they "own" their vote.

Stir up a little trouble - tell the hispanics that the democrats don't support enforcing immigration LAWS - and try to lock up the votes of an entire ethnic group.


ahhhhhhhhh.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse


"Drivl is incapable of thought.
Posted by: Moonbat"


"small wonder so many believe yours is just another of his monikers"

That would be Drindl. I didn't realize she was "so many." Is she the one who occasionally posts as Buttworm?
Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 6:15 PM |


you just can't stop, can you? poor baby. move on, get over it.

Posted by: drindl | May 9, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I am reading more whining about the injection of money to the IMF to help with the Greek crisis curioushow those same folks feel about Bail Outs of Hailey Barbour and Bobby Jindal's states? Those governors hate the federal govt and vocalize that sentiment regularly,
why should our tax dollars be going to help them, period? Barbour is also a national leader
in tort reform and insisting on massive legislation to shield corporate negligence. How about providing Gov. Barbour with a little BP liability shield?

suzy, incidentally hispanics likely make up less than 5% of the populations of Mass,Pa and Va and considering those elections were 5 months before the Az debacle what does the hispanic vote have to do with those elections? Logic please? I can tell you that in Tx, Ca, and Az hispanics make up close to 30% of our population and likely a good reason that Perry is struggling to remain w/i the margin of error of a small town mayor.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


You have been banned 3 times - probably closer to 5 times

And yet you still have the nerve to talk about other posters.

I'm not sure who is more hypocritical - you or Obama - however surely there must be a hypocrite-meter we could use and measure.

Meanwhile, haven't you left for Vietnam? They know you are an American spy - and it won't take that long for them to capture you - and seek to have you give them all your information.

You can try to give them all your comments on here - that will keep them busy for months - trying to figure out what any of them mean.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

and the alternative?

TeaPartiers who booted out Bennett also thought that it would be kind of fun in Dec 2008 to have let our entire banking, insurance, pension and auto industries go under. What a brilliant idea. Had we followed their wonderful advise or they had controlled the reins of govt in Dec 2008,
conservatives like suzy would be getting excited today to see the market rally back
up to DOW 5000. No one liked the bailout,nor
the threats by a R POTUS and R SOT to nationalize the banks (once again SOCIALISM)
but the alternative to their railing to do
nothing and let them all fail seems to have
averted a 1929 redeux, a slightly better result, dunt U Thunk?

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Note the lines of periods separating the posts from each other. Nobody pays any attention to them, they have no content.

Same for posts by 37th, they just take up a lot more space.

It'd be great if they weren't here at all, though.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It seems apparent that the blog-spammers who inhabit this space 24/7 are paid by the post.

But who's footing the bill for what looks like a cyber-effluviating black op?

If taxpayers are footing the bill, does Congress know about it?

Roslyn Mazer, alert the DNI: Has another rogue program been exposed?

***

FBI: IT'S HIGH TIME TO SAVE AMERICA. TELL POTUS ALL ABOUT HOMELAND'S CELLULAR TORTURE TOWERS AND THE EXTRAJUDICIAL FUSION CENTER GESTAPO.

See Vic Livingston's "Notes" on his Facebook page.

HOMELAND FUSION CENTERS SILENTLY ASSAULT, IMPAIR CITIZENS WITH MICROWAVE CELLULAR 'TORTURE TOWERS' GOD MACHINE: VETERAN JOURNO

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener re: "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 9, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

YIKES


The Europeans are putting together a package to stablize the Euro - including €220bn provided by the IMF.

THAT IS 45 BILLION DOLLARS COMING FROM THE UNITED STATES.

I don't know how anyone feels about this - but that is getting out of control -

That is on top of the 7 Billion in the package to Greece on Friday.

HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE US REALIZE THAT WE JUST WENT 50 BILLION INTO EUROPE THIS WEEKEND - TO SUPPORT THE THE EURO ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Ask Pete Wilson how well you do when pushing laws that target an ethnic group.

Prop 187 was declared unconstitutional. It won the election for Petey though.

Posted by: ytterbium | May 9, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
King_of_Zouk: No it isn't.
12BarBlues: It is.
King_of_Zouk: Not at all.
12BarBlues: Now look.
King_of_Zouk: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
12BarBlues: What?
King_of_Zouk: That's it. Good morning.
12BarBlues: I was just getting interested.
King_of_Zouk: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
12BarBlues: That was never five minutes!
King_of_Zouk: I'm afraid it was.
12BarBlues: It wasn't.
Pause
King_of_Zouk: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
12BarBlues: What?!
King_of_Zouk: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
12BarBlues: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
King_of_Zouk: (Hums)
12BarBlues: Look, this is ridiculous.
King_of_Zouk: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
12BarBlues: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
King_of_Zouk: Thank you.
(short pause)

Posted by: JakeD3 | May 9, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Asians as "oriental?" Jesus.

"oriental" is a carpet. I was brusquely corrected on that usage thirty years ago.

Suzy, what kind of two-legged *garbage* do you hang around? "oriental?". And I thought I was out of date using the impersonal pronoun, but at least I have the excuse of German influencing me.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"Who cares, deport them all. Large concentrations of frat boys and white drunks to boot don't vote anyway."

______________________________

It appears that the exact same people who claim they want to stamp out racism - and are willing to scream RACIST all the time - EVEN AT HIDDEN MOTIVES.

Those are the same people who are showing HOSTILITY TOWARDS WHITES.

It is really disgraceful - but it also destroys all the moral high ground that they may have.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"you respond with some tired Reagan-era culture-of-dependency junk. 
I'v been doing political stuff online since the days of dialup services, I've heard all this BS about a quintillion times already."

But you evidently haven't yet learned from it. Maybe a quintillion plus one is the magic number.

==

more snark.  This sh*t gets old.  It'd be nice if you would get this quippy jerky stuff out of your system before you came here.  It really adds nothing to the discussion.  Quit it.

Anyway, trying to change a lie into truth by repeating it over and over isn't something we liberals believe in.  That Reaganite-c*nt culture of dependency junk was and is red meat for the hate radio crowd and nothing more.  Your belief that in the absence of social safety nets nobody would need them is way WAY past Marxist presumptions about human behavior in its absurdity.  Maybe you wouldn't rejoice at people dying in the streets in your perfect self-reliant world but you're a fool if you think they wouldn't be there.  Or that many of your "conservative" fellows wouldn't gloat about it.

==

Oh, gee, I wish you hadn't said that. You thought McCain was going to restart the Vietnam war?

==

Not what I said, but you know that.  McCain has shown himself to be infantile and vengeful since losing his election, he behaved like a complete f ucking jerk during the debates and to think that someone as manifestly petty and unhinged as he's shown himself to be wouldn't use his presidency to "get back" at VN for his imprisonment decades ago, well, you have a pretty starry-eyed view of human nature.  

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

"Who cares, deport them all. Large concentrations of frat boys and white drunks to boot don't vote anyway."


There seems to be a great deal of HOSTILITY TOWARDS WHITES WHICH IS NOW BEING EXPRESSED UNDER OBAMA.

That racism appears to be OK now, even in fashion.

Forget all the promises of being POST-RACIAL - that idea is completely out the window.


The American People are beginning to understand that the democrats are HOSTILE TOWARDS WHITES.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

"But the Greek problem will not go away..."

True that, frat culture is rape culture.

Case closed.

Hey if I keep saying something ridiculous and then, "Case closed," will it make me sound like a lawyer?

Who cares, deport them all. Large concentrations of frat boys and white drunks to boot don't vote anyway.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


The immigration issue does not stay static for decades - Just because Pete Wilson had his situation in California in the 80s - that does not mean the same situation prevails today.

Right now we have a severe economic situation in this country - the LEGAL hispanics actually might believe that they are BETTER off without and uninterrupted flow of Mexicans.

At this point, we are just about at OPEN BORDERS - what is to stop anyone from coming here ???


Once they are here, they hardly EVER get carded - much less deported - BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE LEGAL.

Man, all this "be careful, don't offend anyone" business has gotten out of control -

YOU KNOW WHAT ? I'M OFFENDED IF SOMEONE SAYS THEY DON'T WANT THE LAW ENFORCED.

They better run out and start thinking about the people offended by that.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

suzy


Maybe the fair value is 8.43

Alright - but the futures are still all about where they think the market will be on June 10 - and right now that number is about 10,500 -

Which really isn't that great, is it?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

The LEGAL hispanic population is the only one allowed to vote (obviously that would be different if ACORN could control it)


Anyway - the immigration issue is NOT going to be sole issue.

Yea, yea yea, Pete Wilson - but that was California - and everyone there wanted to go liberal anyway.


The illegal aliens ARE BREAKING THE LAW - why does everyone want to coddle them.

WHAT OTHER PARTS OF THE LAW DO THE DEMOCRATS NOT WANT TO ENFORCE ANYMORE?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I certainly wouldn't be urging people to short the market tomorrow suzy, that may be the real suckers game.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 8:48 PM


Leichtman, I'm not urging anyone to short the market - yet. There's a crowd out there that feels the market is a good buy right now because it has fallen about ten percent. I would expect a solid rally because of this "10% crowd." The S&P could rally up to 1150 again. But the Greek problem will not go away, and many shorts will be waiting at the 1150 mark, if it makes it that far. I'll be waiting too.

But right now, if the market does rally, I'll get back in and ride it up. Then I'll turn and short it. Good luck to everyone.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Once again Whittman commits to spending at least $150 million; Carly $75+ million.
Huffington tried that dance and was close until the final week when he eventually lost by 10 points. Predictions mean zero right now.
Again remember what Prop 187 did for
Senator Pete Wilson?

And once again why is the Tea Party's favorite
Texas son w/i the margin of error against a small town D mayor?

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

@suzy,

Since you prefer to argue inferentially, rather than from data, I'll just defer to you. If you think that California hispanics support AZ immigration law, then who am I to argue with you.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Suzy


Do you know what fair value is up against that number? Im looking, I can not find it - last week was so crazy you know, fair value could be anywhere.

Also, that same charts had the European markets in big negatives.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Once again Whittman commits to spending at least $150 million; Carly $75+ million.
Huffington tried that dance and was close until the final week when he eventually lost by 10 points. Predictions mean zero right now.
Again remember what Prop 187 did for
Senator Pete Wilson?

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I still say that a large part of the legal Hispanic population will not cast votes based solely on the immigration issue. We would see all the dems in California way ahead if that were the case.

Hispanics need jobs just like everyone else.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

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Ask Pete Wilson how well you do when pushing laws that target an ethnic group. You are right that Latinos will not vote as a block on immigration. If, on the other hand, an ethnic group perceives they are being targeted, your party is DEAD to them.

For once, this isn't merely political. Your comments lead me to believe you don't know many Latinos. Sheesh. Who uses the term oriental? So, if you're not willing to listen to someone who actually is married to a Latina and has a significant number of Latino acquaintances, then your willful ignorance speaks for itself.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 9, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

So, what is your point? That because Republicans are slightly losing in California, that proves that hispanics and blacks are voting Republican?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 8:28 PM


It sure doesn't prove that they're voting democratic. The average of the polls I see put Campbell (assuming he's the repub candidate) one point behind Boxer. And Campbell isn't exactly pro-illegal. In a state with the most Hispanics of all, shouldn't your theory predict a rout for Boxer?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

And your predictions about Sen Hayworth, I wouldn't make any wages on that either.
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Hayworth? McCain is up on him double digits in all recent polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/other/2010_arizona_primary.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

" Right now the DOW futures are up over 170, S&P up over 20 NASDAQ over 35"

Do you happen to know where Fair Market Value is for the DOW and NASDAQ for tomorrow's opening?

I certainly wouldn't be urging people to short the market tomorrow suzy, that may be the real suckers game.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The numbers of illegal aliens in this country are vastly under-reported.

It is NOT 20 million.

It is more like 50 million - and they are going to have babies - and in a blind of an eye it will be 100 million people.

The population of this country went from 250 million to 300 million REALLY FAST.

think about that.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Simple Answer: $150 Million of them.

Incidentally I posted an Ipsas poll last week showing 73% of hispanics and 63% of Independents nationally opposed to the Az.law You are nuts if you didn't think that is a problem in Ca, Nevada and Texas for the GOP. So unless you are convinced that Whitman will spend $20-$300 million to BUY a Gubenatorial seat I would suggest you not be so smug or count your Ca. victories. We heard those same beazen predictions from Senator Huffington, Senator Pete Wilson and the last time Brown ran for Gov. Are you forgetting Prop 187? Incidentally since the TeaParty and the GOP are so in Texas suzy I would ask you that same question: why is Rick Perry up by a statistically insignificant 4% over a small town D mayor? And your predictions about Sen Hayworth, I wouldn't make any wages on that either.
What seems to be the problem with the Texas GOP?

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

We were discussing whether the Arizona Hispanic Republican group - which put out a press release saying they would not vote for the Governor again - represented the entire hispanic community - meaning they ALL would not vote for the Governor as well.
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Since only 41% of Hispanics voted Republican in 2008, I wouldn't think losing the Hispanic Republicans would be an endorsement. But, you can believe in any fairytale you want.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow, look at the stock futures! Right now the DOW is up over 150, S&P up over 20, Nasdaq up over 35. If it holds for tomorrow's open, think it will bring the suckers back in?


http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures.html

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You are twisting the issue around


We were discussing whether the Arizona Hispanic Republican group - which put out a press release saying they would not vote for the Governor again - represented the entire hispanic community - meaning they ALL would not vote for the Governor as well.


We were NOT discussing how the local hispanics felt about local enforcement vs. federal enforcement.

Quite a interesting take on the division of federal powers and state powers - I might add.


All of a sudden these groups are taking about constitutional separate of powers.

BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GAME THE SYSTEM - AND EVADE COMPLYING WITH THE LAW.


THEY WANT OPEN BORDERS.

The federal government is NOT doing its job - and the democrats want it to run health care too - if the health care is not repealed, can you imagine HOW BADLY HEALTH CARE WILL BE RUN IN THIS COUNTRY?

They cant even deport most of the illegal aliens.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

What am I missing, 12BB?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 8:22 PM
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As weak as Boxer is, she still leads all her opponents.

As weak as Brown is, he still leads his opponents.

So, what is your point? That because Republicans are slightly losing in California, that proves that hispanics and blacks are voting Republican? If you have polls to support that, why don't you present your data? Why just have an argument about feelings? It's a waste of time.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

So, there are over 12 million Hispanics in heavily democratic California, and neither Boxer or Brown can't muster a lead? How is the Arizona law hurting republicans in that state?

What am I missing, 12BB?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


What is it with you tonight - you keep asking "what is your evidence"


Suzy just SLAMMED you with the FACTS - and yet you haven't learned - so you go for it again.


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To be honest, I don't care what ANY ethnic group thinks about WHETHER the law should be enforced - the LAW SHOULD BE ENFORCED.

You just want to see OPEN BORDERS - AND ALLOW ANYONE HERE ILLEGALLY TO GET AWAY WITH IT.

Let them run wild, have kids, and when those kids are 18, the kids can sponsor them into citizenship - THAT IS OPEN BORDERS.

ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS SHOULD GO HOME TO THEIR HOME COUNTRY IMMEDIATELY


IF THEY RESPECT THIS COUNTRY, THEY SHOULD OBEY THE LAWS, IF THEY DON'T THEY SHOULD LEAVE.

IF SOMEONE IS HERE ILLEGALLY, THEY SHOULD BE DEPORTED AND NEVER ALLOWED BACK IN.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

that is one group - one group of activists who feel they have to put out a press release - it by no means represents what the entire group will do.
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You have any evidence for your statement?

I have some evidence. According to Pew,

Eight-in-ten Hispanics say local police should not be involved in identifying undocumented or illegal immigrants. According to the Pew Hispanic Center’s 2008 National Survey of Latinos, 81% of Hispanics said enforcement of immigration laws should be left mainly to the federal authorities while just 12% said local police should take an active role (Lopez and Minushkin, 2008).

So, it's not just the AZ Hispanic Republicans, it appears to be 81% of Hispanics. Of course, you could just focus on the other 19%.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD


That is completely WRONG


She is equating BREAKING THE LAW WITH BREAKING THE LAW.


Meaning - if an illegal alien is willing to breaking the immigration laws, they have a greater tendency to break the OTHER LAWS.


Just like you, when you lie once, you lie again.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

See? This is what I mean. Something simple as not equating minorities with bank robbers. They simply cannot do it.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 9, 2010 8:03 PM


Well, what do you know? It's Mr Dawd! Glad to see you have the b*lls to answer for yourself. I take it back for calling you a wimp.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"Apparently, Mr Dawd's idea of being more hospitable to minorities is to support lawlessness. Just let the illegals break all the laws they want and come streaming over the border. Yeah, I get it.

Why not encourage more bank robbers, Mr Dawd? I'm sure many of them are just doing it to support a family.

Posted by: SuzyCcup"

See? This is what I mean. Something simple as not equating minorities with bank robbers. They simply cannot do it.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 9, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


that is one group - one group of activists who feel they have to put out a press release - it by no means represents what the entire group will do.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

All the numbers on hispanics are way off - Nebraska is filled with hispanics.


Don't tell me all the hispanics in Chicago are counted.


Don't tell me all the hispanics in the south are counted.


Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

More from the AZ Hispanic Republicans:

"Arizona Hispanic Republicans will not vote for Jan Brewer this year because we are holding her accountable for supporting a bill that violates the Constitution and our Civil Rights. I have sounded the alarm to all Republicans in this state that the passing of this bill is political suicide."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse


The hispanic numbers are way under-reported


First, those who are 50% hispanic do not report themselves as hispanic - in the same rate as other ethnic groups do the same thing in the same position.

Also, there are about 50 million illegal aliens in this country, not 20 million - that is the hidden fact that no one wants to admit in this.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I still say that a large part of the legal Hispanic population will not cast votes based solely on the immigration issue.
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Even the Arizona Hispanic Republicans came out against the law, stating this:

"We believe United States Hispanic citizens have a right to be safe in their person from illegal searches and seizures, and we believe Pearce’s efforts are violating that. SB 1070 is a direct slap in the face to Hispanic Americans who have fought and died for several American wars because this new law can be abused by authorities to pull us over with mere “reasonable suspicion”."

How can you possibly say hispanics are going to support this law, when even REPUBLICAN hispanics aren't.

http://www.fox11az.com/home/related/Statement-from--91948419.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Suzy thank you for looking that up - I was also trying to find the percentage of hispanics by state - meaning the percentage of each state's population is hispanic.

12Bar - why are you so combative? You used to be nice.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Suzy thank you for looking that up - I was also trying to find the percentage of hispanics by state - meaning the percentage of each state's population is hispanic.

12Bar - why are you so combative? You used to be nice.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

So, Suzy, take shots all you want. 67% of the Latino vote went to Obama and the current Republican party is not making them feel welcome to come back. The current analogy with the Republican party is with the Tories after the election of Tony Blair. They went hard to the right and you can thank Prime Minister William Hague for that. Oh wait, he lost!

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 9, 2010 7:31 PM


BB, 70% of Americans support the Arizona law. Blacks are roughly divided by the immigration issue. I would bet that Orientals, Indians, and any other immigrants that couldn't just backpack a few miles to enter the US are also opposed to illegal immigration.

I still say that a large part of the legal Hispanic population will not cast votes based solely on the immigration issue. We would see all the dems in California way ahead if that were the case.

Hispanics need jobs just like everyone else.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I stand corrected. New Jersey does have the seventh largest hispanic population. And, in 2008, 78% voted Democratic.

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/98.pdf

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse


NJ has a good amount of hispanics I believe


I also want to point out that hispanics tend to intermarry relatively quickly (compared to other ethnic groups) - so they tend to not identify themselves as hispanic for generation after generation.
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Other than your feelings, what is your evidence for the above facts?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Va, Mass and NJ have tiny hispanic populations. How do I know how they voted there? How do you know? If you do, post the data.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:22 PM

Population of Hispanics by state:

NJ is #7
VA is #16
Mass is #13

NJ has a TINY Hispanic population??


http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_tot_his_pop-people-total-hispanic-population

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Semi on topic. We just got back from the grocery store in which we were behind a woman who had a "Why the he-- should I have to dial 1 for English?" Pretty much a loud, political statement. Note: she was black.

My wife and I moved to another line. I queried her the question in Spanish. Now, the missuz is an American citizen born in Latin America. I can state with virtual certitude that woman would be irritated if she were behind us in line and my wife was chatting with the checker in Spanish. Said woman chatted on a mobile phone throughout her checkout, which is just plain rude. But then again, her t-shirt may as well be a billboard to that effect.

My point? Laws such as the AZ law will make Latinos *feel* targeted. For all the protestations of, oh no, it's not YOU we mean. One of the candidates in the CA debate talked about checking the papers of anyone outside a Home Depot looking for work. A certain sheriff in AZ would probably pull you over for playing Menudo on the radio. Well, you should be, but for reasons of taste. Ozomatli, La Oreja de Van Gogh, or Mana, should be applauded.

So, Suzy, take shots all you want. 67% of the Latino vote went to Obama and the current Republican party is not making them feel welcome to come back. The current analogy with the Republican party is with the Tories after the election of Tony Blair. They went hard to the right and you can thank Prime Minister William Hague for that. Oh wait, he lost!

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 9, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


NJ has a good amount of hispanics I believe


I also want to point out that hispanics tend to intermarry relatively quickly (compared to other ethnic groups) - so they tend to not identify themselves as hispanic for generation after generation.


I am only pointing that out because in that situation, it is difficult to identify how the partisan leanings of the group as a whole.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I have a great day job. Do you?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 7:19 PM
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No, I made my millions by the time I was 41. How about you?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Just let the illegals break all the laws they want and come streaming over the border. Yeah, I get it.

Why not encourage more bank robbers, Mr Dawd? I'm sure many of them are just doing it to support a family.
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Keep your day job, Suzy. Advertising isn't your schtick.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:13 PM

So now Mr Dawd needs someone to speak for him. I figured he was a wimp.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm saying that (legal) Hispanics want the same things as the rest of America. Your thinking that they are locked to the democratic party is nonsense.

Once again, where were they at in VA, NJ, and Mass? Maybe they didn't flock to Republicans, but they sure weren't there for the democrats either.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 7:16 PM
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Right, hispanics want the same things as the rest of America. And that was democratic in 2008.

As far as your conviction that hispanics are moving Republican, again, what is your evidence?

Va, Mass and NJ have tiny hispanic populations. How do I know how they voted there? How do you know? If you do, post the data.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Keep your day job, Suzy. Advertising isn't your schtick.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:13 PM


I have a great day job. Do you?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"...California? It has one of the highest concentrations of Hispanics, probably a lot of blacks to boot..."

high concentrations of Hispanics
probably a lot of blacks
to boot

Really? California might have a lot of blacks to boot?

I can't even imagine being this stupid.
If a person is this stupid, how do they feed and clothe themselves?
Mommy's day is every day?

Republican moderates don't want to own these people, but, Republican moderates need to look at this, these people own you.


Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

And you think that hispanics are all rushing to the R column. And why would they be doing that? You have any evidence to support that?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 6:59 PM


I'm saying that (legal) Hispanics want the same things as the rest of America. Your thinking that they are locked to the democratic party is nonsense.

Once again, where were they at in VA, NJ, and Mass? Maybe they didn't flock to Republicans, but they sure weren't there for the democrats either.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Just let the illegals break all the laws they want and come streaming over the border. Yeah, I get it.

Why not encourage more bank robbers, Mr Dawd? I'm sure many of them are just doing it to support a family.
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Keep your day job, Suzy. Advertising isn't your schtick.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is buying the product??? Which product are you talking about? Socialism?

Posted by: SuzyCcup
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I'm speaking in advertising terms. Republicans have to persuade minorities to vote Republican. So far, their advertising message is "the Democrats are using you guys and aren't treating you right". In 2008, 96% of blacks voted democratic and 67% of hispanics. And it's been increasing each election cycle.

THAT message isn't working. If that isn't clear, I don't know what is.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

...The only difference being that the party should be more hospitable to minorities.

But the rest of the party just isn't interested in getting behind that.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 9, 2010 6:41 PM


Apparently, Mr Dawd's idea of being more hospitable to minorities is to support lawlessness. Just let the illegals break all the laws they want and come streaming over the border. Yeah, I get it.

Why not encourage more bank robbers, Mr Dawd? I'm sure many of them are just doing it to support a family.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

SuzyCcup wrote,
"12BB, would you care to explain California? It has one of the highest concentrations of Hispanics, probably a lot of blacks to boot, and yet Boxer is doing poorly against each potential republican challenger. Brown is faring no better in his race.

Nobody is buying the product??? Which product are you talking about? Socialism?"

Spot on, Suzy. Something that the liberals haven't caught on to yet is that the country is starting to really worry about the size of the debt. They look at Greece and they look at California, and they begin to realize that, sooner or later, someone has to pay for all of this wonderful generosity. What comes after the money is gone and the credit card is maxed out.

The Republicans, good in the Clinton years, didn't set much of an example in the 2000s, but at least they're still talking the talk. Many liberals have yet to realize there's even a problem. Voters are waking up.

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

12BB, would you care to explain California? It has one of the highest concentrations of Hispanics, probably a lot of blacks to boot, and yet Boxer is doing poorly against each potential republican challenger. Brown is faring no better in his race.

Nobody is buying the product??? Which product are you talking about? Socialism?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 6:42 PM
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In 2008, 74% of California hispanics voted democratic and 23% of the voters are hispanic. http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/vote2008/California.pdf

And you think that hispanics are all rushing to the R column. And why would they be doing that? You have any evidence to support that?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"At this point you are no better than JakeD."

I can't place JakeD. I recognize most of the others you loathe, but he is still a mystery.

"If we dismantled all the social safety nets that Republicans want to eliminate, yeah, some people would take more responsibility for their lives. Not disputed.

But a lot more would simply suffer and starve, including people who really tried.

There is the difference between us ... you would be cool with people dying on the sidewalks, I would not. I'd rather support a few welfare cheats than see alleviable suffering."

My day just wouldn't be complete without one of your posts attacking me for stuff I never said and for positions I don't hold.

"you would be cool with people dying on the sidewalks"

I would? Sounds like you know me better than I know myself.

"I wouldn't."

Well, that certainly is big of you.

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

but curious why you made this post suzy:
"If Crist is gay (most people believe he is), he should come out and say so. I have no respect for the guy"

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 5:25 PM


Leichtman, I don't care if he's gay. The part that bothers me (if he is gay) is the way he tries to hide it. I have more respect for Barney Frank. At least he admits what he is. Frank didn't need to get a "pretend" wife to appease voters. He is what he is.

Crist is a phony. Is it any wonder that he switched to Independent when he clearly stated he would absolutely run as a republican? How could anyone ever believe a guy like Crist?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse


Do you people have any idea what you are talking about anymore ???


There is very little sense in any of this.


Quite clear.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

You might feel right about your message, but nobody is buying the product. It ain't working.

Now, Democrats are making inroads into Hispanic support. And you are making the same argument. Ever think there might be something you are missing?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 5:35 PM


12BB, would you care to explain California? It has one of the highest concentrations of Hispanics, probably a lot of blacks to boot, and yet Boxer is doing poorly against each potential republican challenger. Brown is faring no better in his race.

Nobody is buying the product??? Which product are you talking about? Socialism?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey, don't blame the Dems. Michael Steele's entire platform is basically to do everything exactly the same as they have done in the past 30 years. The only difference being that the party should be more hospitable to minorities.

But the rest of the party just isn't interested in getting behind that.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 9, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

But you evidently haven't yet learned from it. Maybe a quintillion plus one is the magic number.

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again, not one of your good days. At this point you are no better than JakeD.

If we dismantled all the social safety nets that Republicans want to eliminate, yeah, some people would take more responsibility for their lives. Not disputed.

But a lot more would simply suffer and starve, including people who really tried.

There is the difference between us ... you would be cool with people dying on the sidewalks, I would not. I'd rather support a few welfare cheats than see alleviable suffering.

Hope you manage to get away from the snark sometime soon. I'm not hopeful ... much more like today and I'm likely to stop reading your posts. Your ratio is unfavorable.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

You guys all don't get it: this economy is going to start to CHOKE under the weight of OBAMA'S TAXES.


You don't understand how bad it is.

Obama's policies WILL BE CHOKING OFF ALL THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THIS ECONOMY AND WE WILL BE HEADED FOR STAGFLATION. HIGH INTEREST RATES AND INFLATION WILL BE OBAMA'S LEGACY.


The situation is extremely grim.


Obama doesn't know anything about economics - he has no business experience - his only economic experience was buying cocaine.

Wonder why he went on a spending binge ???

If you care about this economy, if you care about America - you will support GETTING RID OF ALL THESE TAXES.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues wrote,
"Every election cycle, more blacks vote Democratic, until 2008 when it reached 96%.

You might feel right about your message, but nobody is buying the product. It ain't working.

Now, Democrats are making inroads into Hispanic support. And you are making the same argument. Ever think there might be something you are missing?"

The proof is in the pudding. I didn't mean that the tactic isn't effective.

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"You're not even trying to make sense."

Well, actually I was. Therapy, my boy, therapy.

"The more I read of your posts, the clearer the pattern is .. you fly off the handle almost as easily as zouk does"

Pot. Kettle.

"small wonder so many believe yours is just another of his monikers"

That would be Drindl. I didn't realize she was "so many." Is she the one who occasionally posts as Buttworm?

"So you issue dumb dated quips about Jane Fonda"

This from someone who offered John Wilkes Booth as the quintessential right-wing terrorist.

"and you see a methhead as a fellow conservative"

You lost me there.

"Yet once in a long while you do a coherent post. Disagreeable, but coherent. Your ratio is unfavorable however"

For those who don't know Noacoler, that's actually a compliment.

"At least you aren't just plain stupid like most of them."

Stop it now. I'll get a big head.

"Your response to my post bears no discernible relation to it."

I know. I know. It must seem that way right now. Just give it some time.

"you respond with some tired Reagan-era culture-of-dependency junk.
I'v been doing political stuff online since the days of dialup services, I've heard all this BS about a quintillion times already."

But you evidently haven't yet learned from it. Maybe a quintillion plus one is the magic number.

"The tour guide in Hanoi justified himself; the Vietnamese were worried that childish petty John McCain as president would seek to get revenge on VN for his POW experience even though most everyone connected to it is long dead. I think their concerns were justified . . ."

Oh, gee, I wish you hadn't said that. You thought McCain was going to restart the Vietnam war?

"McCain is pure garbage in my book."

Is it the Necronomicon?

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

If mommy is happy,
we'll all be happy.

If Grandmothers are happy,
we will be wise.

Celebrate moms.

Case closed.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

But, as we know, there are no generic candidates.


What about mitt Romney.
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Way to go, moonbat. Post of the DAY.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The latest poll I saw had Obama at 39% against a generic Republican for the 2012 election. But, as we know, there are no generic candidates.


What about mitt Romney.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 9, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Remember when John McCain was every Democrat's favorite Republican? Right up until he won the Republican nomination....

let me finish your thought if I may,
and chose Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat
away from the oval office...

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

they take no responsibility for their own intransigence, none. Collins and Snowe are the biggest disappointments as they have learned to now mimic the same Glen Beck lines we once thought were only appropriate for the radical right fringe.
As for McCain, he has become totally unhinged, lost his moral compass and after seeing Bennett's loss this weekend he will certainly want to move even further right. Its hard to believe that 20 months ago I was prepared to vote for that man to be POTUS along with a lot of my friends. We all saw his manic response to the economic meltdown and knew he would never lead this country. His recent behavior in the primary proves that we were right in that judgment. Conservative folks I talk to about McCain believe he was the worst POTUS candidate in their lifetime maybe as bad as Bob Dole.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

So, just curious, will you vote for Obama in 2012?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 4:12 PM

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This question wasn't for me, but if I can butt in:

A significant number of supporters always voice disappointment in a President sooner or later---after the new wears off. You just can't please everyone.

Swing voters are the only ones worth worrying about, which is why Obama still hasn't paid much attention to African-Americans as a group. With the others, developments will likely follow this course:

"I'm really disappointed in Obama. I'm sorry I ever voted for him!"

The latest poll I saw had Obama at 39% against a generic Republican for the 2012 election. But, as we know, there are no generic candidates.

When the election rolls around, the Democrats who are so disappointed in Obama will say, "Well, I might have considered voting for a Republican, but I danged sure wouldn't ever vote for ___________" That's generic,too. Just fill in the name of anyone who's a registered Republican. Remember when John McCain was every Democrat's favorite Republican? Right up until he won the Republican nomination.

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"If you can't pick off a few members of the opposing party, then you're not qualified to govern."

So the composition or mindset of the opposing party has absolutely, 0%, nothing to do with it?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 9, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

wishing shrink and all moms here a Happy Mothers Day.

would be great to visit this site just one time and not see the words race, gay or gender being used injected as a substitute for intelligent political discussion. The bottom line is, who cares.
That fight supposedly ended in the 1950s.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Dems don't use the same tact with Hispanics as they have with African Americans. Make a good show, throw some bones, but keep them down, and you'll always have a solid liberal constituency.

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 5:07 PM
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The R's have been putting out this message to blacks for years now: "the Democrats are using you guys and keeping you down". Every election cycle, more blacks vote Democratic, until 2008 when it reached 96%.

You might feel right about your message, but nobody is buying the product. It ain't working.

Now, Democrats are making inroads into Hispanic support. And you are making the same argument. Ever think there might be something you are missing?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

My? party (don't bother correcting me) is not in a position to do much more than beat its collective gums together. So with Democrats in near absolute control of the legislative branch, why is everything the fault of Republicans? If you can't pick off a few members of the opposing party, then you're not qualified to govern.
I hope the Dems don't use the same tact with Hispanics as they have with African Americans. Make a good show, throw some bones, but keep them down, and you'll always have a solid liberal constituency.

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You're not even trying to make sense.  The more I read of your posts, the clearer the pattern is .. you fly off the handle almost as easily as zouk does (small wonder so many believe yours is just another of his monikers, though I no longer do .. he's not capable of making sense anytime, you do occasionally, but today is not one of your good days).  So you issue dumb dated quips about Jane Fonda and you see a methhead as a fellow conservative, you cheerlead idiot snark.  Yet once in a long while you do a coherent post.  Disagreeable, but coherent.  Your ratio is unfavorable however, and we who enjoy discussions routinely despair at the dearth of conservative posters who don't have serious emotional problems.  At least you aren't just plain stupid like most of them, though incapable of recognizing stupidity from your fellows.  Anyway.

Your response to my post bears no discernible relation to it.  I wrote about Republicans being unable to discuss immigration reform without race-baiting, and you respond with some tired Reagan-era culture-of-dependency junk.  I'v been doing political stuff online since the days of dialup services, I've heard all this BS about a quintillion times already.  Please, if you're just going to recite boilerplate junk, don't waste space and time by answering.  If I want canned talking points I don't have to put time into writing posts to read them.  I can go to any conservative recitation site and get my fill, just with a click or two, no time spent in composition.

The tour guide in Hanoi justified himself; the Vietnamese were worried that childish petty John McCain as president would seek to get revenge on VN for his POW experience even though most everyone connected to it is long dead.  I think their concerns were justified, given his infantile petulance at losing election.  The tour guide wasn't even born when McCain was a POW, the guy was like 30.  

I don't get why McCain used to be respected as an aisle-crosser.  I don't think his utter lack of integrity now is anything new.  His choice of Palin was a jaw-dropping irresponsible act even though he lost, and had he won?  She's far FAR too stupid and impulsive to be trusted with nuclear weapons.  McCain is pure garbage in my book.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

was ready to wish all of the conservative mom's
a Happy Mother's Day but curious why you made this post suzy:
"If Crist is gay (most people believe he is), he should come out and say so. I have no respect for the guy"
first of all I thought he was married, but if
he is gay who cares? Houston has a great gay mayor recognized as one of the 50 most influential people in the country. She was supported by a lage block of conservative R voters here b/c she was the most qualified candidate. the bottom line is unless you have some reason to hate, why should that be of any significance in his ability to represent Fla.? Many of us are curious why you post such a narrow minded post since you want to try and come across as one of the rational conservatives on this site.

Incidentally your gay bashing of Crist would likely not sit well with most libertarians(Rand and Ron Paul supporters), voters under 21 and certainly not the S Beach gay community.

and your comment that Brown told Obama to eat
s*** I truly hope that you have that UTube video of him saying that as I would love to see that show up in his 2012 election defeat.
That kind of vile language might sit well with your crowd but not with most voters. First we have one of your candidate's slogans Chickens 4 Your Medical Care and now S Brown telling the POTUS to eat s****. How enlightened of the GOP.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 9, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I won't vote for Obama in 2012 unless I change my mind and then I will vote for Obama in 2012.
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Good answer. Just the right amount of suspense.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

12B no, I won't vote for Obama in 2012 unless I change my mind and then I will vote for Obama in 2012. There is always the protest vote option, no not Ralph Nader, he is like Palin and Gingrich and J Jackson and Romney...people who should get a job.

The Socialists are not actually socialists. There is the Green Party, but obviously they are not serious.

Well, apart from the world, this is the perfect day. My wife is happy and the kids are too. Happy Mother's Day.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Heard a tour guide in Hanoi talking about McCain. They're glad he lost, his petulance and immaturity come across the language barrier loud and clear."

Well now, that settles it as far as I'm concerned. If they don't like McCain in Hanoi, then it's time to get rid of him. What a fool I've been! Oh, do they still have a statue of Jane Fonda there?


Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"And Republicans are literally incapable of dealing with the issue without going too far and revealing their deep
seated bigotry, which is hurting them. Rubio flips on AZ, and Rubio drops. Your party (don't bother correcting me) has gone insane."

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 2:57 PM

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My? party (don't bother correcting me) is not in a position to do much more than beat its collective gums together. So with Democrats in near absolute control of the legislative branch, why is everything the fault of Republicans? If you can't pick off a few members of the opposing party, then you're not qualified to govern.
I hope the Dems don't use the same tact with Hispanics as they have with African Americans. Make a good show, throw some bones, but keep them down, and you'll always have a solid liberal constituency.

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The DNC new motto: When it “reigns,” it “pores.”

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 2:38 PM

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That's good. I like that.

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


If John McCain is too liberal, what does that make you - an out and out socialist - that's what.


You might as well move to Vietnam.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I'll preach:

Today, Rajon Rondo is in my Pantheon,
dude is a God, all six one and one seventy five of him.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


I was referring to Judge Sears being placed on the Court - and how I believe it would be relatively easy - but Obama apparently doesn't want to go down that road - but Obama doesn't see where people want him to go - and where people don't want him to go.


think about it.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Suzy, I could not possibly care less about an evaluation of extremism from someone who regards John McCain as too liberal. You're over the cliff.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

King_of_Zouk: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
12BarBlues: No you did not.
King_of_Zouk: Yes I did.
12BarBlues: No you didn't.
King_of_Zouk: Yes I did.
12BarBlues: No you didn't.
King_of_Zouk: Yes I did.
12BarBlues: No you didn't.
King_of_Zouk: Yes I did.
12BarBlues: You didn't.
King_of_Zouk: Did.
12BarBlues: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
King_of_Zouk: Yes it is.
12BarBlues: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
King_of_Zouk: No it isn't.
12BarBlues: It is!
King_of_Zouk: It is not.
12BarBlues: Look, you just contradicted me.
King_of_Zouk: I did not.
12BarBlues: Oh you did!!
King_of_Zouk: No, no, no.
12BarBlues: You did just then.
King_of_Zouk: Nonsense!
12BarBlues: Oh, this is futile!
King_of_Zouk: No it isn't.
12BarBlues: I came here for a good argument.
King_of_Zouk: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
12BarBlues: An argument isn't just contradiction.
King_of_Zouk: It can be.
12BarBlues: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
King_of_Zouk: No it isn't.
12BarBlues: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
King_of_Zouk: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
12BarBlues: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
King_of_Zouk: Yes it is!
12BarBlues: No it isn't!

Posted by: JakeD3 | May 9, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Henry to the Continental Congress: "... give me liberty or give me death."

The GOP to the nation: "give me unelectable extremists AND give me death."

ker-plunk. ker-plunk. ker-plunk.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 4:17 PM


obama to Congress: "... give me liberty or give me obamacare"

The liberals to the nation: "give me socialist extremists AND give me death."

flush. flush. flush.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

(Walk down the corridor)
12BarBlues: (Knock)
King_of_Zouk: Come in.
12BarBlues: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
King_of_Zouk: I told you once.
12BarBlues: No you haven't.
King_of_Zouk: Yes I have.
12BarBlues: When?
King_of_Zouk: Just now.
12BarBlues: No you didn't.
King_of_Zouk: Yes I did.
12BarBlues: You didn't
King_of_Zouk: I did!
12BarBlues: You didn't!
King_of_Zouk: I'm telling you I did!
12BarBlues: You did not!!
King_of_Zouk: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
12BarBlues: Oh, just the five minutes.
King_of_Zouk: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
12BarBlues: You most certainly did not.

Posted by: JakeD3 | May 9, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Must have gotten under Jake's skin. Probably all those poll numbers.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Henry to the Continental Congress: "... give me liberty or give me death."

The GOP to the nation: "give me unelectable extremists AND give me death."

ker-plunk. ker-plunk. ker-plunk.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

(Walks down the hall. Opens door.)

JAKED: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
12BARBLUES: Well, I was told outside that...
JAKED: Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
12BARBLUES: What?
JAKED: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
12BARBLUES: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
JAKED: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
12BARBLUES: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
JAKED: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
12BARBLUES: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
JAKED: Not at all.
12BARBLUES: Thank You.
(Under his breath) Stupid git!!

Posted by: JakeD3 | May 9, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"...you only win if you can keep control of your guy which isn't happening..."

This is how I felt when, fresh from the victory millions like me bought for him, Obama got with Tom Daschle as his lead health care "reform" architect and Larry Summers as his macro-econ wizard.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 4:08 PM
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No argument here. We all are disappointed to some degree and perhaps for different reasons.

So, just curious, will you vote for Obama in 2012?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

They "won" with Scott Brown--but, you only win if you can keep control of your guy which isn't happening.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 4:00 PM

Scott Brown was recently called by obama from Air Force one to see if he would be willing to cosponsor an immigration bill. Scott Brown basically told obama to eat sh*t.

Yes, as we keep saying up here in Mass, "Better to be partly red, than Ted."

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"...you only win if you can keep control of your guy which isn't happening..."

This is how I felt when, fresh from the victory millions like me bought for him, Obama got with Tom Daschle as his lead health care "reform" architect and Larry Summers as his macro-econ wizard.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

... What will we learn? Nothing, of course.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 3:55 PM


OK Shrink, tell me. What SHOULD we learn? Go ahead and preach.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Getting back to CC' topic. Nate Silver doesn't think too much should be made of the Tea Party victory in Utah.* Further, when the TP punished Charlie Crist and drove him out, polling doesn't exactly show that as a winning strategy.

The TP has had a mixed record of their purge strategy. They "won" with Scott Brown--but, you only win if you can keep control of your guy which isn't happening. They "won" with Bennett. They "won" with Rubio, but they still have to get their guy elected.

Nate Silver on Utah:

"Although a dramatic development in a state which rarely makes political headlines, my guess is that people are going to read a bit too much into the national implications of this. The 3,500 delegates who select Utah's Republican candidates -- chosen at local precinct meetings -- are highly informed and extremely conservative activists who are not representative of Utah Republicans as a whole nor the Republican primary electorates in other states."

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.
Mark: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?
12BarBlues: No, I haven't, this is my first time.
Marl: I see. Well, do you want to have just one argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
12BarBlues: Well, what is the cost?
Mark: Well, It's five dollars for a five minute argument, but only eight dollars for a course of ten.
12BarBlues: Well, I think it would be best if I perhaps started off with just the one and then see how it goes.
Mark: Fine. Well, I'll see who's free at the moment.
Pause
Mark: Bridgade's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory.
Ahh yes, Try Mr. Jake D; room 12.
12BarBlues: Thank you.

Posted by: JakeD3 | May 9, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

12B, I can't think of anything good that will come of this. I see all the sad people there in front of the cameras, saying they are losing thousands of dollars a day. They are bankrupt and they don't even know it. A day? A day? As if this is going to get better? What will we learn? Nothing, of course.

We are all beholden to oil and coal.
Every day huge coal trains snake through the Columbia Gorge, longer than ever, with engines at the front, in the middle and at the back: coal heading to Asia.

We'll try to be safe.

But hey, when Somali Pirates can insert themselves into the Super-Large Oil Tanker business as just another cost center and no one seems to care, we all know what is going to happen.


Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I care about whom you do or don't respect about as much as I care that the nematodes in the soil of Costa Rica are getting enough protein.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 3:42 PM


That's good to hear, Noacoler! You've solved the oil spill problem. Just guide it all to Costa Rica. Then it's the nematodes' problem.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

12BB, thank you for the link to the oil field wonks discussing the leaks.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 9, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Again, for those who don't know, nationwide, hispanics made up 6% of the voters in 2004. By 2008, they made up 9.5% of the voters and totalled 18m voters. What will they be in 2012? Don't know as I haven't found a projection, but I'm sure it will be higher.

Of course, they are not evenly distributed across all states. But, they are a significant factor in Florida.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Suzy, I care about whom you do or don't respect about as much as I care that the nematodes in the soil of Costa Rica are getting enough protein.

May come as a shock but it's just possible that, gay or not, Crist loves his wife. This tangential crap is of absolutely zero value or interest to anyone except born-to-lose Republicans.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If Crist is gay (most people believe he is), he should come out and say so. I have no respect for the guy.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 3:24 PM
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If Crist's job approval rating is 62% and, as you say, most people believe he is gay, then it should be obvious that Floridians don't care whether he is gay or not.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Nationwide, for those who do not know, Hispanics made up 9.5% of total voters in 2008. And growing.

==

If you want to get closer to the truth, don't listen to posturing ideologues dealing in deception and emotion, listen to the people who do market research.  When McDonald's started to supplement their grease burgers with salads, that meant that Americans were becoming health conscious.

Go to your local grocery store.  Take note of how many products are labelled in Spanish on the reverse. If not alongside English.  Goldfish crackers, Sabor Esplosivo, con queso y jalapeno.  We are well on our way to being a bilingual nation, in deed if not in word.  Word will follow.  

And there's the GOP, alienating that 9.5% to appeal to the 19%, and along the way also alienating just about everyone else to whom bigotry is distasteful.  Wonder if they'll ever come to their senses?

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

@shrink,

Thanks again for the great links on the BP gusher.

Looks like there are three plans:

1. Try to get cofferdam to work. Something about heat and/or methanol. Long shot.

2. Topkill. Apparently, zero to no chance and real risk of setting off the gusher to full velocity.

3. Relief wells. Will work in 3 months. Two relief wells being drilled now.

That's it.

Three months of 5,000 bbl/day and rumor has it, that's a real lowball estimate. And, that assumes that the gusher doesn't kick up on its own.

At present rate, that's 18m gallons in 3 months. Considerably bigger than Valdez.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Suzy, I have no use for this infantile sort of snark. Just quit it. Nobody but the hate crowd gives a crap if Crist is gay.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 3:08 PM

Obviously, his "wife" doesn't give a crap either. But it does paint you as being quite a phony to get married just so you can appeal to conservative voters.

If Crist is gay (most people believe he is), he should come out and say so. I have no respect for the guy.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Attribution for Hispanic % of voters. http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/44.pdf

Don't want anyone to think I make this stuff up.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Now that we know it will be months before this oil spill stops spilling (as in "ooops a daisy, where is the quicker picker upper?"), the "news" is reduced to how many miles of booms are out and how many gallons of secret formula chemicals have been dumped into the water, in addition to the oil.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/09/us/AP-US-Gulf-Oil-Spill-Cleanup.html?_r=1

Yep, no one knows what the dispersant chemicals are, let alone what the sinking goo this is making will do to the ecosystem. This is because the company vending the chemical wants its formula to be a secret, like Coca Cola concentrate and of course, government has to comply.

Now it might be true that millions of gallons of oil dispersed in the water column is better than leaving all that oil floating, and it might not be true.

Maybe BP/Transocean/Haliburton/Cameron and the industry in general is betting it will look better if we can't see as much of their mess, but dead animals on the beaches don't tell lies. The Dead Sea.

Since everyone else is saying think about it, I won't.


Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Hispanic voters make up 12% of the Florida's registered voters. Since Rubio has about 70% of them, he probably thinks that's important, for a guy who is only polling at 32% of all voters. You can do the math.

Nationwide, for those who do not know, Hispanics made up 9.5% of total voters in 2008. And growing.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I think [Crist has] to get elected first.

==

the entrails are favorable.

Will you still be dismissing the Hispanic vote when Texas goes blue?

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

With regards to the Supremes, here's the URL. It was linked on the front page.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36966.html

My point with Mike was made. When challenged to say what an *ist is, he spluttered about having already defined it. Come to think of it, that reminds me of Jake at times. One cannot define a category simply by mentioning members of it. Particularly when some of the epithets are mutually exclusive.

@G&T - Zookie doesn't bug me that much. Insults are pretty easy to skip past. The irony of someone coming on first thing every morning to post that someone else has no life escapes him.

Well, my vacuum is down in the 7's, so it's time to get depositing. Cheerio all.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 9, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Suzy, I have no use for this infantile sort of snark. Just quit it. Nobody but the hate crowd gives a crap if Crist is gay. I get a much stronger gayday blip from Rubio anyway.

Heard a tour guide in Hanoi talking about McCain. They're glad he lost, his petulance and immaturity come across the language barrier loud and clear.

Think about it... daffy John is one of the most conservative of all Senators, but not enough for you. Doesn't that give you pause?

I wouldn't piss on the guy if he was on fire. For unleashing that horrid Palin woman on the country McCain deserves bone cancer.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Rubio can't run to the center, but he has to hold the Hispanic vote. He has very little maneuvering room.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:59 PM

Where were the Hispanics in Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts? Where will they be in Pennsylvania? Hispanics are highly overrated as a voting block.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

It's always interesting to get into the details of a poll. The latest Rasmussen poll shows why Crist is ahead.

Job approval for Crist as governor...62% [!]

Unfavorable ratings:
Crist...40%
Rubio...48%

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote: he can't run to the center or he loses what dwindling support he has.
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According to Mason Dixon, "Rubio, who is Cuban American, received support from 64 percent of Hispanic voters surveyed."

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/06/1616639/poll-charlie-crist-holds-lead.html#ixzz0nSaKfLZm
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Rubio can't run to the center, but he has to hold the Hispanic vote. He has very little maneuvering room.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Hope Crist caucuses with the Democrats.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 2:43 PM

I think you have to get elected first.

After Crist loses in November, he'll dump his phony wife, come out of the closet, appear on "Dancing with the Stars," and then elope with Miss Lindsey Graham.

Maybe they'll join you in Vietnam. Please invite McCain to come along.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The Arizona law will hopefully serve as impetus to get the U.S. Congress off its butt on the issue, but I don't have much faith it will happen before November.

==

Dude, please get into your contributing mode if it's still within reach. Think about it.

Like abortion, illegal immigration has been a hit button issue for decades now. And if anyone was going to get serious about it they would have done so when conservatives controlled all three branches of government and the president was an irresponsible adolescent. Didn't happen.

Face the facts: illegals are here working for low wages and their employers, conservatives mostly, want it that way. The urgency you allude to is manufactured and false.

And Republicans are literally incapable of dealing with the issue without going too far and revealing their deep
seated bigotry, which is hurting them. Rubio flips on AZ, and Rubio drops. Your party (don't bother correcting me) has gone insane.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The TP's are not getting their way in Florida. A new Mason Dixon poll has Crist up 6 pts over Rubio. Rasmussen has Crist up 4 pts over Rubio.

Crist..38%
Rubio..32
Meek..19

==

we knew Roobyo was peaking too early but it's nice to see him on the wane already. Boxed in ... he can't run to the center or he loses what dwindling support he has.

Hope Crist caucuses with the Democrats.

David Brooks says that it'll be 12 years before the GOP changes course. If there still IS a GOP in 12 years.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Suzy, I am shocked, I tell you, shocked, that someone spells reins as reigns.

Shocking.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Tim Kaine, the DNC chairman is showing us his stupidity or the laser-like attention to detail that will "help" his party in November. Here is a DNC press release from yesterday where Kaine comments on the Utah race.

From salon.com, a left wing web site:
“If there was any question before, there should now be no doubt that the Republican leadership has handed the reigns to the Tea Party.”


Reigns?? Huh? Did he mean reins?

The DNC new motto: When it “reigns,” it “pores.”

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

12BB, of the three possibilities listed below, which one is more likely?

1. Harry Reid wins in November
2. A democrat wins the Utah Senate race in November
3. The DOW reaches 25,000 in November

Compared to number one or two, three would be a shoe-in.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 2:31 PM
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Just like you, Suzy, I'm not making a prediction.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

What a cesspool this particular comment section has turned into.  Things were getting better for a while as zouk and 37th started to run out of steam and Jake finally got the message that nobody likes him.  Then a very conservative Republican loses a primary vote to a knuckledragger and then the septic tank backs up .. zouk pulls all the stops and we get this Mike guy with the brains of a dead hearing aid battery overflowing onto the floor.  Nice to see that my little goad at Mike pushed zouk into pure foaming froth.  Have a coronary, shutterbug, do the world a favor.  You're ahead of me in the banning now, try to widen your lead.

OK, Utah isn't going to elect a Democrat, Bennett can't register as an independent, so now we have the real possibility of an oppositional rage case going to the US Senate.  Sure won't be good for Utah.  Doesn't the Senate have the right to refuse to seat the guy?  Probably a good time to do that if so.  The real question of course is how long the GOP is going to keep playing to the 20-percenters, still deluding themselves that hate and rage will appeal to anyone else.  One would think self-preservation instinct would kick in at some point, even mice exhibit it, but not yet.  The only movement conservative who reached office so far was the stealth campaign of McDonnell, with the helpful assistance of a disengaged opponent, and lo, he's a national embarrassment.

Oh, to you right wing nutcases on loan from redstate .. BB is right, you really ought to look up some of the words you throw around.  Socialism, fascism .. one cannot be both and Obama is neither.  You fools toss around these words without meaning, not that you need much embellishment to look like complete idiots.

@BB: pay zouk no mind, I don't.  Nice that this blog is reverse-chronological with the monikers at the bottom, when we see one of zouk's long list of monikers or the new cretin or 37th, just ThumbUp and look for something worth reading.  Reading their junk is like watching commercials on TV.  Seen it once, you've seen it all.

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Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The TP's are not getting their way in Florida. A new Mason Dixon poll has Crist up 6 pts over Rubio. Rasmussen has Crist up 4 pts over Rubio.

Crist..38%
Rubio..32
Meek..19

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

...Right now, Harry Reid looks very weak in the polls. Hispanics clearly are not going to swarm to the Republicans, so that can only help Reid.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:09 PM

12BB, of the three possibilities listed below, which one is more likely?

1. Harry Reid wins in November
2. A democrat wins the Utah Senate race in November
3. The DOW reaches 25,000 in November

Compared to number one or two, three would be a shoe-in.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 9, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"In Nevada, where Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid faces a difficult re-election test, all six of his potential Republican rivals voiced support for the Arizona law during a candidate forum just after the governor signed it...

If Hispanics reject the GOP, Reid will benefit perhaps more than most; Latinos make up nearly 25 percent of the Silver State's population, and they were about 15 percent of the electorate in 2008, according to exit polls. A boost from Hispanic voters might be all he needs to inch across the finish line. And that is a trend Republicans are already seeing far too often across the country."

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/the_gops_bloody.php#more
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@ddawd, I didn't see the Dukakis/Bush analysis. But, we might see it played out this year in Nevada. Right now, Harry Reid looks very weak in the polls. Hispanics clearly are not going to swarm to the Republicans, so that can only help Reid.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

OP House candidates won 44 percent of the Latino vote in 2004; four years later, they won only 29 percent, according to exit polls. That 15-point plunge was much worse than the party's 4-point drop among whites, 5-point decline among African-Americans, and 10-point fall among Asian voters.

Demographics dictate that Hispanic votes are crucial to building a national political coalition. Latinos are the fastest-growing minority segment of the population, in every region of the country. In the past two election cycles, Democrats have gained seats in key states where the Hispanic vote is exploding -- including three seats in Arizona, two seats in New Mexico, and seats in such states as Florida, New York, and Texas. Tellingly, Democrats now control all nine districts that border Mexico.
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I forgot to attribute the last post, and this one, to: http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/the_gops_bloody.php#more

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


I was referring to Judge Sears being placed on the Court - and how I believe it would be relatively easy - but Obama apparently doesn't want to go down that road - but Obama doesn't see where people want him to go - and where people don't want him to go.


think about it.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Ninety percent of bank robbers oppose gun laws. Over 87 percent of tax cheats oppose the IRS.

Liberals can now get behind these changes.

Drivl is incapable of thought.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 9, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

12bb, there was actually an analysis done on I believe the 1988 Presidential election where Bush crushed Dukakis. Basically, they were looking to see how the results would have been if the various demographics voted the same way as they did back then, but with the population makeup of today. I believe Dukakis edges out Bush. Obviously the study makes a LOT of assumptions (that exit polling is accurate, that the demographics vote the same way, etc. etc)

But it's still a huge swing considering how poorly Dukakis did. Demographics are changing and Republicans need to take care not to lose Hispanics the way they lost blacks. It might be too late.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 9, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Immigration reform "is becoming the third rail of politics, for Republicans in particular," GOP pollster Steve Lombardo said. "It used to be Social Security, but I can make an argument now that the Republican Party is better off talking about how we may need to raise the minimum retirement age; that we might get in less trouble by talking about policies like that than we do in talking about immigration reform. It's almost impossible to talk about immigration reform without sounding anti-immigrant."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

More from Nate Silver:

"Behind the scenes, GOP strategists are said to be urging their candidates not to go there.

But candidates like Tim James, Nathan Deal and Andre Bauer are probably not very worried about the possibility of the national GOP alienating Hispanic voters for years to come; they are trying desperately to win primary elections in an atmosphere of great conservative enthusiasm where it’s tough to stand out from the Obama-hating, states-rights-loving crowd. The Arizona furor gives them a weapon to use, and they’ll use it, with any negative consequences for their party elsewhere or down the road being so minor a consideration that it may not even occur to them."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues,
The Arizona law will hopefully serve as impetus to get the U.S. Congress off its butt on the issue, but I don't have much faith it will happen before November.

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


OR there are 500,000 illegal aliens in Arizona and people want something done to ENFORCE THE LAW.

What is wrong with enforcing the law???

The democrats simply are so out-of-touch that they do not realize that people want the law enforced - they are uncomfortable with the anchor babies law - perhaps that should be changed to NOT allow anchor babies to bring people here legally.


What is wrong ???

Clearly Americans DO NOT WANT OPEN BORDERS - the democrats are ignoring the simple truth that not enforcing the immigration laws is the same thing as OPEN BORDERS.

YOU SAY RACIAL PROFILING.

The truth is no one cares about racial profiling - THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE HAVE OPEN BORDERS OR NOT -

DEPORT EVERYONE - WHO CARES - JUST DEPORT THEM ALL AND KEEP AMERICAN BEAUTIFUL.


AND if a bunch of Mexicans don't want to see the US flag on Cinco de Mayo - DEPORT THEM - SO THEY WONT HAVE TO SEE THE US FLAG AT ALL.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Since this is now just another social dysfunction thread, I'll add to the emptiness.

"Tiger Woods withdrew on the seventh hole of the Players Championship Sunday because of a neck injury that he said he had been playing with for “quite a while.”

Must be pretty serious, not something you get from sleeping with the wrong...pillow, I imagine. And neck injuries don't happen in rehab. A car wreck and getting bopped with a nine iron could do it. He better get that looked at.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Expounding on the fact that Hispanics are still a very low percentage of eligible voters, Nate Silver goes on to say:

"in the states of the Old Confederacy (excluding Florida and Texas), there were only two states as of 2006 in which Hispanics represented as much as 2% of eligible voters: Virginia at 2.8%, and Georgia at 2.3%.

So whereas in states with larger and more established Hispanic populations politicians considering anti-immigrant messages have to think seriously about blowback, there are no real negative consequences in the Deep South to offset the incentives for such rhetoric.

And not surprisingly, at least among Republicans, they are succumbing to the temptation to raise immigration as an issue in this year’s highly competitive Deep South primaries."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

37th wrote, regarding the Supreme Court nominee,
"...no one will care. I personally don't care."

I care. Is Robert Bork still alive?


Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Another take on the AZ undoc law. According to Nate Silver, "Conservatives are stampeding to express solidarity with the Arizona governor and legislature, and, in one case, to revive the English-Only chesnut. Why is that?

I’d suggest there are four inter-related factors: (1) newly visible and culturally threatening Hispanic populations, that (2) aren’t large or engaged enough to represent a significant voting presence; (3) red-hot Republican primaries; and (4) the difficulty of finding ways for Republican candidates to distinguish themselves in an atmosphere of monolithic conservatism on most issues."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

People keep on saying that Politico is saying Kagan is going to be the nominee -


I go to Politico and it doesn't say that - it says Kagan is linked to Goldman-Sachs

So, Obama has to be completely tone-deaf to nominate Kagan - after the episode this past month over Goldman - and with the wall street bill still pending.

but who knows.

Obama should just go with Judge Sears and be done with it - She will sail through - and no one will care. I personally don't care


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

So whether or not you know what the words mean has become irrelevant. Too bad.


Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 1:30 PM
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I agree with you that it is too bad. If words don't mean anything but snarls, what is the point of writing words? We could just post:

snarl, SNARL, snarl, SNARL, snarl, SNARL, snarl, SNARL

I prefer to use words to convey a specific meaning, and I spend a fair amount of time finding the right words. Not that I'm always spot on. But, I do try.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade wrote,
"Perhaps you didn't or couldn't understand the question. I didn't ask WHO is a facist. I asked WHAT is a facist. You just picked Democratic leaders, which leads me to think you have no idea what a facist is other than a name to call someone."

The term is now used the same as "racist" in these discussions. These words carry no meaning anymore; they're just slurs to throw at someone, like S.O.B. or Motherf----r. With the latter, you don't have to believe or offer evidence that your target actually sleeps with his mother. So whether or not you know what the words mean has become irrelevant. Too bad.


Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

This will hurt at the polls:

"Over the past few weeks, right-wing proponents of Arizona’s draconian immigration law inexplicably claimed that the majority of Latinos in Arizona support the new anti-immigrant law. Some examples:

Marco Rubio: Polling has shown that Americans of Hispanic descent in Arizona support this bill just as strongly as the general population does.

J.D. Hayworth: Interestingly, a majority of Hispanics agree that this law should be enforced here in Arizona.

Bill O’Reilly: I’m not buying the fact that Hispanic-Americans en masse are against the law.

This morning, the nation’s largest Spanish-language newspaper , La Opinion, reported that 70 percent of Arizona Latinos “strongly oppose” SB-1070 and 11 percent “somewhat oppose” it. The study, conducted by Arizona State University, showed that only 12 percent of Arizona’s Latinos strongly support the law. Opposition to the law also isn’t limited to recent Latino immigrants who are potentially unable to vote. Approximately 82-67 percent of second, third, and fourth generation Latinos oppose SB-1070"

Posted by: drindl | May 9, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Wow look at all the kooks tonight."

Spoken just as another one arrived.

"Brigade . . .You are now writing like a worthless mental case."

It only seems that way. Like Joe says, doin' right never gets tired. Just stay in therapy a bit longer, and my keen insights will begin to make sense to you.

"Gladder than everI'm leaving. Gonna be a lot of right wing domestic terrorists here."

Yes. Like the one they caught at the airport last week. Therapy. Therapy.
Remember, the mental institutions in Vietnam are made of bamboo, and I understand their methods of treatment are what you might call medieval.

Posted by: Brigade | May 9, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I see in Mike we have a new example of Cro Magnon man here.

Bennett is the first victim but not the last. This will not mean much in Utah, but in other states it's going to mean the primary yields an unelectable wack job like Rand Paul, giving the Democrats a new seat.

The Beltway pundits didn't even see this coming. So much for Repulbicans Rising...

Posted by: drindl | May 9, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"I did. However you seem to be stuck on stupid and keep driveling on about something nobody cares about. Obama is the one you seek whether you are socialist, fascist and/or Marxist. Obama embodies traits from all three ideologies."

also squids. Antiamerican squids. We like Obama. And zebra werewolves. Obama is a zebra werewolf. Um, he is also a child rapist. He embodies traits from those ideologies.

Any other random terms you want to add? OBAMA IS SUCH A MUGWUMP!!

Posted by: DDAWD | May 9, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Moonbat
Brigade, at one time you showed promise here. Looks now like that was just a flash in the pan. You are now writing like a worthless mental case, the same temper issues as zouk and this Mike knucklewalker.
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Throwing people under the bus must be the latest trend for you liberals. Are you emulating your fearless leader Obama?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade
You're here to shoot your mouth off Mike, not represent anyone's interests. And I'm still waiting to see if you can define a facist. Doubt it.
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I did. However you seem to be stuck on stupid and keep driveling on about something nobody cares about. Obama is the one you seek whether you are socialist, fascist and/or Marxist. Obama embodies traits from all three ideologies.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

What is up with these Chinese knife attacks?

"Some analysts have suggested that an increase in psychiatric illnesses brought about by rapid social change is behind the attacks." BBC

Those analysts should stay with topics they know something about...or cite research instead of just seeing what sticks on the wall.

I have never seen any research supporting the notion that social change, rapid or otherwise, causes psychiatric illnesses.
What part of the social change are they talking about anyway? Leaving Maoism for crony capitalism, internet censorship, the massive improvements in China of any childhood related public health indicator worth tracking in just one generation?

Actually, an interesting aspect of the epidemiology of major mental illness is the extraordinary stability of its prevalence across time and culture (which is of course not true of infectious disease, cardiovascular disorders, neoplasms, accidents and etc.)


Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

News flash. Politico is reporting that Kagan will be nominated to the Supremes tomorrow morning.

Jake in 3D signing out

Posted by: JakeD3 | May 9, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Liberals are always so worried about bad behavior in others. Yet they never see it in themselves. You can burn down a bank and murder three people or riot and smash glass. But they are worried about peaceful tea partiers.

Here's Ped, which passes daily along with floods of drivl sludge, unremarkable by the other leftist kooks:
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Brigade, at one time you showed promise here. Looks now like that was just a flash in the pan. You are now writing like a worthless mental case, the same temper issues as zouk and this Mike knucklewalker.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 9, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

An angry bigot can't seem to enjoy the humor involved in our mutual celebration of a victory for his tea bagging efforts.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

You're here to shoot your mouth off Mike, not represent anyone's interests. And I'm still waiting to see if you can define a facist. Doubt it.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 9, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Noacoler
Shoo, mike, go brag about your rhetorical prowess to the other common folk.
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The common folk don't need me nearly as bad as the Obama boot licking liberals do here. I am here to represent their interests.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD
But yeah, this convention sent the message that it is not ok to work with the other guy.
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The message that was sent is that if you want to claim to be a conservative then you had better FUNCTION like a conservative when you get to Washington, DC. This is the reason that McCain and some others should suffer the same fate as Bennett.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: shrink2
Obama's plan is starting to work.
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If you are referring to the plan where Obama single handedly destroys the Democrat Party then I agree with you.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dre7861
This will fly in the face of MSM's favorite and most cherished belief but I don't think the Tea Baggers are as much of a political force as the current BCW would believe nor
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I like that you liberals just don't get it or refuse to acknowledge reality. The Tea Party movement is just the tip of the spear getting ready to impale Democrats in November. Behind those Tea Party activists is an army of dissatisfied voters from all walks of political life. They are Republicans, independents and even centrist Democrats that want our federal government to return to honoring the constitution, instead of crapping all over it. They also want fiscal responsibility which Democrats are incapable of and far less capable than Republicans. Keep your head buried in the sand and come November it still won't prevent that "violation" because the bodily orifice you are trying to protect is still exposed.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: holzhaacker
Republicans have always been the party of governing by fear. They pursue policies in response to whatever they're afraid of.
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This is rich coming from someone that supports and administration that has as its motto "Never let a good crisis go to waste." I guess you don't bother to listen to your own liberal politicians because they are the masters at fear mongering.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Republicans have always been the party of governing by fear.

They pursue policies in response to whatever they're afraid of.

Posted by: holzhaacker | May 9, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Zouk wrote: "Ped is a bald, zit faced, Stuttering, meagerly endowed, angry racist communist. "

Geez, dude. Are you going for the world banned from the Fix record? Or is it simply too hard to think rather than sling insults. See Brigade as an example of a someone who can put an argument together.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 9, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps you didn't or couldn't understand the question. I didn't ask WHO is a facist. I asked WHAT is a facist. You just picked Democratic leaders, which leads me to think you have no idea what a facist is other than a name to call someone.

Now Hitler. Mussolini. THOSE were facists. I'll give you time to think about it.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 9, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I bet the MSM wipe the sweat off its brow with the defeat of Utah Senator Bob Bennett by the Tea Party. Of course that story dove tails nicely into the Tea Party meme that media talkingheads and "Beltway Conventional Wisdom (BCW)" have been pushing for so many months. Of course what they - and sadly Chris, you in your coverage - fail to connect the dots is that Bennett lost at a Republican Convention, one which the party extremely faithful attend. But of course the meme of the Tea Party triumphant and coming out to support their candidates doesn't always fit the facts. Witness last Tuesday's primaries in which Tea Party candidates lost and which the attendence of people voting was average or below average. Granted we are early in the election cycle but for me to believe that this Tea Bagging movement is a sustainable political force I need to see some proof and winning conventions is not going to convince me. This will fly in the face of MSM's favorite and most cherished belief but I don't think the Tea Baggers are as much of a political force as the current BCW would believe nor

Posted by: dre7861 | May 9, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I bet the MSM wipe the sweat off its brow with the defeat of Utah Senator Bob Bennett by the Tea Party. Of course that story dove tails nicely into the Tea Party meme that media talkingheads and "Beltway Conventional Wisdom (BCW)" have been pushing for so many months. Of course what they - and sadly Chris, you in your coverage - fail to connect the dots is that Bennett lost at a Republican Convention, one which the party extremely faithful attend. But of course the meme of the Tea Party triumphant and coming out to support their candidates doesn't always fit the facts. Witness last Tuesday's primaries in which Tea Party candidates lost and which the attendence of people voting was average or below average. Granted we are early in the election cycle but for me to believe that this Tea Bagging movement is a sustainable political force I need to see some proof and winning conventions is not going to convince me. This will fly in the face of MSM's favorite and most cherished belief but I don't think the Tea Baggers are as much of a political force as the current BCW would believe nor do I think that they will come out and votes in droves come the midterms.

Posted by: dre7861 | May 9, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Democrats have no moral standing to gloat..." Agreed.

Even so, last week I was worried the tea people would go away before they tore up any more Republican tickets. And Republicans seem to like this development and the Democrats do too. More bipartisan agreement. Obama's plan is starting to work.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 9, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Bennett is 76 yrs. old. It seems rather ridiculous for a man who began this senate career at 58, and who has enjoyed the benefits of the best civil service job that taxpayers support, should get emotional at being asked to retire. Don't take it so personally, Bob. It's not like you have the kind of money worries that the rest of us who have been down-sized, laid-off, out-sourced or have zero prospects in this "new economy" have to contend with.

Democrats have no moral standing to gloat, either. Their litmus tests are a mixed bag of out-dated, out-moded and/or pollyannish efforts to change the weather and the nature and rights of humans.

Pack your bags, Bennett, and move to Surprise, AZ. There's a show on WEtv, Sunset Daze, that could use some new talent.

Posted by: Marrigan | May 9, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Liberals always know what's best for everyone else. From their ny penthouses they know:

how az should handle the border

who ut should elect

what we should eat, drink or smoke

what car we should drive

what we need to teach our kids

how much money we need

who our doctor should be

how we should save for retirement

Posted by: Moonbat | May 9, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/05/sad_to_see_bob_bennett_lose.html

Ruth Marcus

"Bennett fell victim to his state party’s odd convention system, in which only the top two vote-getters get spots on the primary ballot. Bennett may mount a write-in campaign, but if this long-shot effort fails, his departure would be a loss for the Senate.

During his three terms, Bennett did not deviate from his conservative principles. He is not Utah’s version of Joe Lieberman, out of step with his party. He is Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s trusted lieutenant. But Bennett is a serious man who wants to work on serious issues -- and in doing so, he found ways to work across the aisle. The health-care measure he crafted with Oregon Democrat Ron Wyden was the most prominent example, and one factor in his ouster.

Bennett is no squishy moderate. Dick Cheney endorsed his reelection. Newt Gingrich campaigned for him. National Journal’s most recent voting ratings had him as the 23rd most conservative senator -- compared to fellow Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch at number 30.

But Bennett’s brand of conservatism was not pure enough for the Tea Party wing of his party. He committed sins such as voting for the Troubled Asset Relief Program. He was, horror of horrors, an appropriator -- meaning that he helped to bring money to his state. The conservative Club for Growth spent more than $200,000 to oust him.

The most disturbing aspect of Bennett’s defeat is the chastening effect it is likely to have on nervous GOP lawmakers. They are already hardly profiles in courage -- just take a look at the campaign positions adopted by ex-maverick John McCain, facing a primary challenge in Arizona from former Rep. J.D. Hayworth.

Seeing Bennett’s scalp is not apt to strengthen their spines."

That is interesting that NJ rated Bennett more conservative than Hatch. He is up for re-election in 2012. I wonder if he might be in trouble then.

But yeah, this convention sent the message that it is not ok to work with the other guy.

Incidentally, Lee nor Bridgewater have never held elected office. It's doubtful that a Democrat could win this seat, but an unproven, untested candidate can make some Lowden type gaffes or find himself lacking in fundraising and the seat might just maybe be competitive.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 9, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Ped is delusional and fact free as usual:

Moving soon to COMMUNIST Việt Nam where I own houses and land, to retire early and in palatial luxury

first, foreigners can only lease land. The prices are crashing and inflation is over 20 percent. Second, when you are already over 55, you are not retiring early. Third, palatial luxury in the tropics would usually not involve having to seek out air conditioning at the gym.

Ped is a bald, zit faced, Stuttering, meagerly endowed, angry racist communist. Before he started shaving what's left of his red hair, and after the comb over, the celebrity he most closely resembled was Bozo.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 9, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Don't know much about the newcomer Mike. But he seems to have summed up Ped and drivl in one short paragraph:

" You gather on the internet form some kind of self help ego massaging cyber club and pretend to be superior to those you think you look down on...... It must suck to be so insecure that you need to huddle together on the WaPo to make your lives meaningful. ...This looks like a way of life for you losers.""

Posted by: Moonbat | May 9, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Poor lonely Ped.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 9, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Some points. Bob Bennett was one of the coauthors of the Wyden-Bennett health care bill. He took a good deal of flak for reaching across the aisle to Ron Wyden.

National Journal rated him 23rd most conservative member of the Senate.

The delegates who voted on these guys are probably more conservative than even Utah Republicans. Polls showed that Bennett might have won a regular primary instead of one that went through this process.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 9, 2010 3:48 AM | Report abuse

Dumb as Jake, repetitive as 37th, hate-crazed as zouk, we have a trifecta.

I'm bored dah ling.

Time to seek some interfemoral fragrance.

Shoo, mike, go brag about your rhetorical prowess to the other common folk.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 3:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Have to sign off. Leaving the blog to Mikey, who has whipped all the liberals into a pile of jelly. Now, Mike, don't tell anyone about Noa and me. What we told you is strictly confidential.
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Do you have a date with a Maxim girl lined up now? Heck, made that Maxim girl is really Noa, but then, as long as you believe it is a Maxim girl why should that stop you. I bet you are a fast, one-handed typist.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Noacoler
@12Bar: not sure the singular pronoun applies with this one... these guys are as interchangeable as ants, so even if this one hasn't been here before, indistinguishable others have.
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What a typical liberal action you all are showing. You gather on the internet form some kind of self help ego massaging cyber club and pretend to be superior to those you think you look down on. Well, this is the same liberal arrogance that will sweep many Democrats from office this November. It must suck to be so insecure that you need to huddle together on the WaPo to make your lives meaningful. I just participate occasionally. This looks like a way of life for you losers.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 2:55 AM | Report abuse

Have to sign off. Leaving the blog to Mikey, who has whipped all the liberals into a pile of jelly. Now, Mike, don't tell anyone about Noa and me. What we told you is strictly confidential.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Oh, Noa, he doesn't believe us. Bwahahaha!!!!!
At least it proves he's new here. Bwahahaha!!!!!
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I bet you think those naked, sweating, fat guys stuck to their vinyl chairs really are 20 year old Maxim models that desperately want to have sex with you.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 2:47 AM | Report abuse

@12Bar: not sure the singular pronoun applies with this one... these guys are as interchangeable as ants, so even if this one hasn't been here before, indistinguishable others have.

Kinda like fermions. Not meaningful to try to tell them apart.

Like if you add a milliliter of water to a liter, then scoop out a milliliter. Is it the same milliliter?

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
And you, MikeJ, you are the kind who puts your tattoos on Visa. Right?
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Do you cash in your food stamps and sell your government cheese to pay for your tats? Then have them removed using your government subsidized health care plan?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh, Noa, he doesn't believe us. Bwahahaha!!!!!

At least it proves he's new here. Bwahahaha!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Oh, and I am a self made, independently wealthy, worked in venture capital. Capitalist to the max.
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I see you are also a graduate of the Obama School of Lying and Deception.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 2:36 AM | Report abuse

And you, MikeJ, you are the kind who puts your tattoos on Visa. Right?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Oh, noa, you are so-o-o-o-o mean. Liberal humor in action.
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You guys sure are the life of the party. Liberal humor? There is that oxymoron again. You guys must have been at those infamous Massa tickle parties.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I am a self made, independently wealthy, worked in venture capital. Capitalist to the max.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Oh, noa, you are so-o-o-o-o mean. Liberal humor in action.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Noacoler
(this should make him wet himself)
hey mike allow me to intrioduce myself.
I'm a ultra sexually active homosexual living near Seattle with my Asian lover.
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I see you liberals have formed a circle. We don't need to know which one of you wins. Keep that tidbit of information to yourselves. Is Rahm there with you in the shower?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

(this should make him wet himself)

hey mike allow me to intrioduce myself.

I'm a ultra sexually active homosexual living near Seattle with my Asian lover. Moving soon to COMMUNIST Việt Nam where I own houses and land, to retire early and in palatial luxury so I can do oral sex on a succession if DARK SKINNED men and watch the decline of my former country to free market squalor on my giant TV.

Hope to see you rooting through trash cans for dinner as I dine on grilled squid.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Noacoler
Oh he'll be gone shortly. He'll head back to stormfront and brag to the bog troll girls with the swastika tattoos that he brought the liberal blog to its knees, never to return (links are complicated)
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Have you and your liberal buddies formed a circle yet?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
He doesn't even get it.
We should write a skit for SNL. We wouldn't have to change a thing. Right off the blog.
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Liberal humor. What an oxymoron.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Unless he doesn't have insurance. Then, let him die because we don't believe in no handouts.
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You liberals sure don't have a problem spending other peoples' money do you?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:53 AM
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Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

He doesn't even get it.

We should write a skit for SNL. We wouldn't have to change a thing. Right off the blog.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Oh he'll be gone shortly. He'll head back to stormfront and brag to the bog troll girls with the swastika tattoos that he brought the liberal blog to its knees, never to return (links are complicated)

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

driveby howler monkey

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If only he would keep driving by.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if ChrisC is as happy with this driveby howler monkey as he is with 37th?

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

You liberals' arrogance, dishonesty and lies will only make the reckoning that much worse for you this November.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:49 AM
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How's that. Maybe our arrogance, lies, and what ever else, will be a comfort. I intend to be comforted...how about you, noa?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Unless he doesn't have insurance. Then, let him die because we don't believe in no handouts.
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You liberals sure don't have a problem spending other peoples' money do you?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Noacoler
you aren't a common person, you're just a mental case with a big mouth. "insure" is what Prudential does. You mean "ensure," you drooling illiterate.
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A person that can't punctuate, capitalize and structure a sentence shouldn't criticize others on spelling. Your hypocrisy is showing but then you liberals have never had much of a problem with letting your hypocrisy show.


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I didn't cry like a baby but i was disappointed. But my ship will come in, I've no doubt.
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Keep up those insults against the common people. You liberals' arrogance, dishonesty and lies will only make the reckoning that much worse for you this November.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

On the contrary, we should be ready to disband the armed forces and sell off the national parks to extend the life of a retarded 100 year old man another week.
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Unless he doesn't have insurance. Then, let him die because we don't believe in no handouts.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
He's a spoof.
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What's a spoof? Someone that slays liberals in the comment section without breaking a sweat?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Keep slinging those insults at the common folks. It only insures you liberals will remain on the sidelines after November and 2012. Did you cry like a baby when the Time's Square bomber turned out to be a Muslim terrorist instead of an Christan American?

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you aren't a common person, you're just a mental case with a big mouth.

"insure" is what Prudential does. You mean "ensure," you drooling illiterate.

I didn't cry like a baby but i was disappointed. But my ship will come in, I've no doubt.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 1:38 AM | Report abuse

MUSTN'T HAVE MEDICAL RATIONING!!

On the contrary, we should be ready to disband the armed forces and sell off the national parks to extend the life of a retarded 100 year old man another week.

Anything else is the LIBERAL CULTURE OF DEATH.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

@noa,

He's a spoof.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Noacoler
I hope Mike is a spoof. I can't imagine anyone really being as dumb as this. Or as enraged. If he's for real he's probably gonna be on the evening news, firing automatic weapons into a crowd of small children, the quintessential American pasttime.
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Keep slinging those insults at the common folks. It only insures you liberals will remain on the sidelines after November and 2012. Did you cry like a baby when the Time's Square bomber turned out to be a Muslim terrorist instead of an Christan American?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Mike's just a diversion to keep one's hand in.
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In what?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I hope Mike is a spoof. I can't imagine anyone really being as dumb as this. Or as enraged. If he's for real he's probably gonna be on the evening news, firing automatic weapons into a crowd of small children, the quintessential American pasttime.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Don't want to say, eh. Well, I don't blame you.
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Watching you liberals self destruct has been entertaining while I wait for November to get here. Then I will enjoy watching Obama try to lie his way into being a centrist for the next two year before he is sent back to the cesspool of Chicago politics.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Don't want to say, eh. Well, I don't blame you.
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Watching you liberals self destruct has been entertaining to watch while I wait for November to get here. Then I will enjoy watching Obama try to lie his way into being a centrist for the next two year before he is sent back to the cesspool of Chicago politics.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PhyllisDorris
Do you need a job? New Obama Health Care Plan is going to insure additional 33 Million people. There is going to be huge demand for Medical Assistants, Medical Billing, Medical Coding, Pharmacy Assistant & Pharmacy Technician across the nation (estimated at least a million).
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Welcome to rationed health care. Coming at a doctor's office and hospital near you.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

@noa,

Mike's just a diversion to keep one's hand in.

Have you been following the BP oil attempts. Really disturbing. Looks like either going to topkill attempt (really risky) or just wait 3 months for the cross drilling to reduce the pressure.

At 5000 bbl/day at least, how many gallons is that over 3 months. 18m gallons I think.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Noacoler
Wow look at all the kooks tonight.
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Is this your attempt at self deprecating humor?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse


Do you need a job? New Obama Health Care Plan is going to insure additional 33 Million people. There is going to be huge demand for Medical Assistants, Medical Billing, Medical Coding, Pharmacy Assistant & Pharmacy Technician across the nation (estimated at least a million). We can help you get a training during weekends and evenings and get a degree in few months. Please note this is not a nursing degree and it is not that difficult. With the degree finding a job will be easy, contact for free information at http://ow.ly/1G7jI this is your chance

Posted by: PhyllisDorris | May 9, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
So, what do you do to feel good about not being in power? I'd hate to put words in your mouth.
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You will be able to answer your own question after the elections this November and in 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:03 AM
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Don't want to say, eh. Well, I don't blame you.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
So, what do you do to feel good about not being in power? I'd hate to put words in your mouth.
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You will be able to answer your own question after the elections this November and in 2012.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Wow look at all the kooks tonight.

Brigade, at one time you showed promise here. Looks now like that was just a flash in the pan. You are now writing like a worthless mental case, the same temper issues as zouk and this Mike knucklewalker.

I return to my accurate first approximation: conservatism is dead, there are only mentals now.

The triumphalism is good for a laugh though. We're gonna defeat Democrats at the polls. All two hundred of us.

Gladder than everI'm leaving. Gonna be a lot of right wing domestic terrorists here.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 9, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

mojo wrote: Oh come november, you pinko commies are outta here!!! Ok, the democracts may lose a few seats due to this hate all incumbents sentiments, but you do understand that not only are dems incumbents, there are republican incumbents on those ballots.
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This whole thread is about Republican Bennett thrown under the bus. It won't matter in Utah. They would elect a hamster if he is Republican.

But, in other CD and states, it will matter. If I were a Republican strategist, I wouldn't be throwing my electable Republicans away to go find arch conservative neophytes.

Even Sarah Palin endorsed R. Carly Fiorina for Barbara Boxer's seat, instead of the arch conservative, DeVore. At least that shows some smarts on her part. Carly has a chance, but DeVore is a real long shot.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade
Just so I understand, Mike, what IS a facist in your world?
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Obama, Reid and Pelosi. Fortunately they can be replaced or made ineffectual.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mojo975
Oh come november, you pinko commies are outta here!!! Ok, the democracts may lose a few seats due to this hate all incumbents sentiments, but you do understand that not only are dems incumbents, there are republican incumbents on those ballots.
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You have no idea of what is coming for you liberals this November. I am going to enjoy watching you react to the Shock-and-Awww drubbing the voters are going to lay on you this fall. They have given you a few warning salvos in VA, NJ and MA but you choose to insult them more by calling them racists etc. Keep poking the bear.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
How many ways can I laugh.
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Laugh now because come November you will need a crying towel.

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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Oh come november, you pinko commies are outta here!!! Ok, the democracts may lose a few seats due to this hate all incumbents sentiments, but you do understand that not only are dems incumbents, there are republican incumbents on those ballots. So not only will those guys somehow have to survive, which you all seem to doing all you can to prevent by consuming your own for not being right wing extremest enough, you will have to make up the ten seats in the senate and far more in the house. Good luck, you are going to need it. You think we've forgotten that Bush and his GOP buddies were the ones that got us into this mess? YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA PAY COME NOVEMBER. DAR DAR DAR.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 9, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Just so I understand, Mike, what IS a facist in your world?

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 9, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mojo975
And you need to keep up with current events as well Coakley was a terrible candidate and Scott Brown as it turns out has not been that big a blow to the Dems.
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Keep making incorrect excuses as to why Democrats keep losing. I like that you are either unwilling, or unable, to see reality. How you can say Brown hasn't been a blow to Democrats shows further disconnect from reality on your part. Since Brown was elected we no longer hear any of this bravado from Reid about ramming any legislation through the Senate. Brown has stopped Obama's agenda in Congress single handed. if one Senator can do this much damage to Obama politically just think what damage will occur after November. Especially if the House goes Republican. I can see why you are so bitter.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
How many ways can I laugh.
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Laugh now because come November you will need a crying towel.

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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Oh come november, you pinko commies are outta here!!! Ok, the democracts may lose a few seats due to this hate all incumbents sentiments, but you do understand that not only are dems incumbents, there are republican incumbents on those ballots. So not only will those guys somehow have to survive, which you all seem to doing all you can to prevent by consuming your own for not being right wing extremest enough, you will have to make up the ten seats in the senate and far more in the house. Good luck, you are going to need it. You think we've forgotten that Bush and his GOP buddies were the ones that got us into this mess? YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA PAY COME NOVEMBER. DAR DAR DAR.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 9, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Come on, Mike, you go around to blogs you think are liberal and then you joust with liberals and really tell 'em what you think. It's a feel-good thing to do when you are out of power.
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You just provided a wonderful demonstration of how clueless you liberals are. You allow your thought process to run a muck and then vomit out some lame attempt at humor while utilizing wrong assumptions.
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What humor? So, what do you do to feel good about not being in power? I'd hate to put words in your mouth.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Come on, Mike, you go around to blogs you think are liberal and then you joust with liberals and really tell 'em what you think. It's a feel-good thing to do when you are out of power.
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You just provided a wonderful demonstration of how clueless you liberals are. You allow your thought process to run a muck and then vomit out some lame attempt at humor while utilizing wrong assumptions. This is similar to the method the liberals in Congress and the White House generated the health care bill among other legislative abortions.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mojo975
And not all moderates are going to vote for republicans, and not all moderates are going to vote with democrats.
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Keep up with current events. Moderates and independents are moving away from the Democrats in droves. Don't believe me, look at the VA, NJ and MA elections.

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And you need to keep up with current events as well Coakley was a terrible candidate and Scott Brown as it turns out has not been that big a blow to the Dems. Virgnia is still dumba$$ redneck virginia and are currently regretting voting in the lier who protrayed himself as a moderate but has since declared the civil war wasn't about slavery and that gays should not be considered. Read this paper sometime and you may learn something. And who cares about Virginia, the dems gained a seat in the house always held by a GOoPer. So how is this moderates moving towards the ever moving towards the right in droves? Did your fellow teabaggers just vote out a current senator because he wasn't a big enough wackjob? Like a previous poster said, how is that going to keep all of your seats and then pick up ten more when you are moving farther to the right and expelling any moderates you have in the party? And another thing, you never answered my question as to how Obama is a socialist? Oh im sorry, socialist/communist/ fascist/puppy killer? Grow the f up.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 9, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Come on, Mike, you go around to blogs you think are liberal and then you joust with liberals and really tell 'em what you think. It's a feel-good thing to do when you are out of power.

You need to brush up on your techniques. Extrapolating from a poll showing 21% of the nation identifies liberal is pretty weak. There are way better polls you could use, hell, I could make your argument better than you can.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
How many ways can I laugh.
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Laugh now because come November you will need a crying towel.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mojo975
And not all moderates are going to vote for republicans, and not all moderates are going to vote with democrats.
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Keep up with current events. Moderates and independents are moving away from the Democrats in droves. Don't believe me, look at the VA, NJ and MA elections.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I never said that every non-liberal person realized they are being insulted by you liberals.
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How many ways can I laugh.

Now, it's the voters who don't realize they are being insulted who will vote Republican.

Well, better wake 'em up before election, donchathink?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I am sure the conservatives you think are sharp are not really conservative.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:09 AM
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Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!11

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

The math is easy. How many liberals exist in this country? Gallup says 21% so the remaining 79% are insulted daily by you liberals. I guess I should have used a 79% figure.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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The poll says 35% are moderate, and its about how people calling themselves liberal is at the same point in 2004, not about how 79% of the country is insulted by liberals or any other BS you have pulled out of your a$$ tonight.

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And not all moderates are going to vote for republicans, and not all moderates are going to vote with democrats. You then say moderates are going to vote with the republicans. However let me spell this logic out with you as clear as possible for your simple mind to understand. Social liberal people (those that don't hate gays) are more likely to prefer liberal fiscal policies, while those fiscal conservatives of the right, while probably a fair number don't like them dar homosexuals, a fair number probably don't care whether they get married or not, and thus may choose to vote against your shut the entire government down and get rid of the gays because of the getting rid of the gays and other conservative family values bs crap you claim to up hold while going to titty bars and poking argentinian girlfriends on the side. Thats whats going to drive them to the left. DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND!?!?!

Posted by: mojo975 | May 9, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
At this very moment, RCP has the average of polls for President Obama's job approval at approval 48.3% and disapproval at 45%. For a net POSITIVE of 3.3. How does this fit with your numbers?
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They fit fine. I never said that every non-liberal person realized they are being insulted by you liberals. You need to look at the support for specific policies Obama is pushing. Those numbers are almost exclusively upside down and many are by a wide margin. What is going to sink you liberals for good is the massive deficit spending you are promoting along with massive tax hikes. These issues will relegate you to the trash bin of history. Europe is buckling under the weight of socialism and entitlement programs and Americans know the same will happen here if they let you disconnected-from-reality liberals run a muck.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

BroadwayJoe wrote,
"chat with your Post coworkers Eugene Robinson, Colbert King, and E.J. Dionne;


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Ha ha ha Ha

these people don't know what racism is - except what is in their own characters.


Anyone who says that sentiments like George Wallace's is anywhere today - that person should be committed right away -

AND whoever allowed that kind of garbage to be printed in the newspaper should be fired immediately.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Now, news reports on the BP oil gusher seem to be saying that there are no other options but the 3 month option: the cross drilling.

This is really bad. The worst case scenario. Actually, maybe not the worst case--that would be if the gusher was not partially obstructed and we had 60,000 bbl a day going into the Gulf. That would be the worst scenario.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 9, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse


Broadwayjoe


Please take your racism elsewhere.

Please take your lies where you go with your racism.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 9, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Mike, you are boring and uninformed. There are some sharp conservatives on this blog, but you are not one of them.
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You are not able to defend your political beliefs or even tell us what they are for fear of becoming even more marginalized than you will be after this November. I am sure the conservatives you think are sharp are not really conservative. We have a name for those you call "good" conservatives. We call them RINOs.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mojo975
The poll says 35% are moderate, and its about how people calling themselves liberal is at the same point in 2004, not about how 79% of the country is insulted by liberals or any other BS you have pulled out of your a$$ tonight.
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The poll also says 40% consider themselves conservative. That is nearly twice as many as those that consider themselves liberal. Looking at the right track/wrong track polls, among others, I expect most of those moderates are much closer to the conservatives than the liberals. Try and spin this all you want. You,liberals are on the far left fringe where most of the country doesn't reside politically. This will become very clear to anyone with a brain after the November elections.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 9, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

"So to actually answer your question, not bad actually, and your universe still is truly bizarre and fascinating."

Well then, if having a Republican in the Senate seat long occupied by Ted Kennedy is "not bad actually", may you have many more results in the upcoming election that turn out "not bad actually." Then my universe will be even more fascinating.

"Now back to my original question. What is your point?"

If you haven't figured it out by now, I can't help you---other than to repeat my warning about the cellphone towers and maybe suggest that you adjust your tinfoil hat

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OK, so he won a seat longheld by ted kennedy by beating a terrible Dem candidate, victory for the teabaggers on paper, but since he has voted along with thee democrats on on several bills unlike your "kill everything thats democrat sponsored at all costs" teabagging courting GOP obstructionists, my answer to you is "Not bad actually" because he has voted for several things Kennedy would have supported. So WHAT IS YOUR POINT with this cell phone tower and tinfoil hat business. Yes, not only is your universe truly truly bizarre and fascinating, but every second I think god I don't live in it with you. T-T-T-TEABAG Oh Yeah were gonna teabag those dems. THEY are come pay from novemeber!!!! mmmmmm DARRRRRRR!!!!!!

Posted by: mojo975 | May 9, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

In other words you are saying that the truth about you liberals is indefensible so you are quitting.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 11:52 PM
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Mike, you are boring and uninformed. There are some sharp conservatives on this blog, but you are not one of them.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Why don't you use the Gallup poll that tells how many TP there are? Do a little research.
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I don't care about how many TP'ers there are. I care about how many are NOT voting for Democrats.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 11:46 PM
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So your point is that 79% of the country will vote Republican. Not today, they won't.

At this very moment, RCP has the average of polls for President Obama's job approval at approval 48.3% and disapproval at 45%. For a net POSITIVE of 3.3.

How does this fit with your numbers?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Enough playing wiffle ball with Mike.
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In other words you are saying that the truth about you liberals is indefensible so you are quitting.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Here's some more help, Mike. Don't exaggerate your numbers. On this blog, we follow the numbers, so when you use numbers, you better have backup. Once you started talking about 2/3 of the country as TP and 20 million vote swing, I knew you were a real light weight.
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The math is easy. How many liberals exist in this country? Gallup says 21% so the remaining 79% are insulted daily by you liberals. I guess I should have used a 79% figure.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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The poll says 35% are moderate, and its about how people calling themselves liberal is at the same point in 2004, not about how 79% of the country is insulted by liberals or any other BS you have pulled out of your a$$ tonight.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

My point is that you checked your brain somewhere last night and forgot to retrieve it before you went home.

mojo75 wrote,
"You said Scott Brown was no teabagger, but all you teabaggers were screaming a celebrating when he beat Coakley, and its implied you were as well with your "How's Coakley working out for you " zinger.

This is a long thread. Sometimes different people weigh in on the same topic. When you respond to one of my posts you cannot assume you are resonding to someone else. I am not and have never been a "teabagger" and nothing, repeat nothing, is "implied" except in your imagination.

"So to actually answer your question, not bad actually, and your universe still is truly bizarre and fascinating."

Well then, if having a Republican in the Senate seat long occupied by Ted Kennedy is "not bad actually", may you have many more results in the upcoming election that turn out "not bad actually." Then my universe will be even more fascinating.

"Now back to my original question. What is your point?"

If you haven't figured it out by now, I can't help you---other than to repeat my warning about the cellphone towers and maybe suggest that you adjust your tinfoil hat

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Why don't you use the Gallup poll that tells how many TP there are? Do a little research.
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I don't care about how many TP'ers there are. I care about how many are NOT voting for Democrats.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mojo975
My point is has not only Scott Brown not been a teabagger but he has actually voting for the democrats agenda in some aspects. You said Scott Brown was no teabagger, but all you teabaggers were screaming a celebrating when he beat Coakley,
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Hell yeah we were celebrating. A conservative REPUBLICAN took TED KENNEDY'S SENATE SEAT!!!! Did you read that right? A Republican TOOK TED KENNEDY'S SEAT IN THE SENATE!!!! We aren't talking about some less notable Senate seat. We are talking about the LIBERAL LION'S Senate seat!!!!

You can try and marginalize these past several post-presidential elections all you want. Do so at your own political peril. The fact still remains that the election of Scott Brown was a political event of seismic proportions and an omen of thing to come in November and 2012. Keep your head in the sand if you want. It won't keep the political reckoning from happening for you liberals.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Here, Mike, I'll help you out.

Go to pollster.com. There are MANY polls about how many TP supporters there are.

Here is something from Feb. 2010: "The CBS/Times survey finds only 18 percent who describe themselves as "supporters" of the Tea Party movement, and the ABC/Post survey finds just 14 percent who say they "strongly agree" with the movement's issue positions."

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/tea_party_polling.php

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

@mike,

Why don't you use the Gallup poll that tells how many TP there are? Do a little research.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the GOP is not satisfied with purging its moderates. It's now going after conservatives who fail a purity test. Never underestimate the ability of this party to self-destruct.

Posted by: AlaninMissoula | May 8, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the GOP is not satisfied with purging its moderates. It's now going after coservatives who fail a purity test. Never underestimate the ability of this party to self-destruct.

Posted by: AlaninMissoula | May 8, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Enough playing wiffle ball with Mike.

I'm concerned about the latest disappointment with the BP oil leak. Anyone who is interested in a great amount of technical detail, follow this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/uscgd8/4551846015/in/photostream/page5/

The technical guys on the flickr blog seem to think that the next plan, if they can't get the cofferdam to work, is "topkill"*. They seem to think this has no possibility of working, and a great possibility of removing the obstruction in the pipe and having the oil gusher at full velocity.

Don't know if they are right, but it is disturbing.

*topkill is shoveling a bunch of junk from top into the hole.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Here's some more help, Mike. Don't exaggerate your numbers. On this blog, we follow the numbers, so when you use numbers, you better have backup. Once you started talking about 2/3 of the country as TP and 20 million vote swing, I knew you were a real light weight.
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The math is easy. How many liberals exist in this country? Gallup says 21% so the remaining 79% are insulted daily by you liberals. I guess I should have used a 79% figure.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

How's Scott Brown working out for you?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:29 PM

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Much better than Coakley's working out for you, nincompoop.

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He sure showed those dems by voting with them to extend jobless benefits and on other bills. Is that what you call a teabagging, by voting with them? You're universe is truly bizarre and fascinating.

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Mike's previous post was about how the VA election of Scott Brown was a victory for the teabaggers. You responded by making a comment about how he beat Coakley the democrat. My point is has not only Scott Brown not been a teabagger but he has actually voting for the democrats agenda in some aspects. You said Scott Brown was no teabagger, but all you teabaggers were screaming a celebrating when he beat Coakley, and its implied you were as well with your "How's Coakley working out for you " zinger. So to actually answer your question, not bad actually, and your universe still is truly bizarre and fascinating. Now back to my original question. What is your point?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

wow mike we are impressed with your intellect.
First you babble the Glen Beck line that Obama is a socialist. When I point out that a vast majority of the county supports 3 socialist programs, Medicare, SS and the VA and wonder why the GOP hasn't joined in calling them socialist programs, you have no response.
And then when I point out that Bush and Hank Paulson tried to NATIONALIZE our banks and Sarah Palin redistributed oil royalties your response was I used the race card without comprehending that those R actions are the true definition of socialism. Next you point out a typo. What great intellect you share with us.

As for Scott Brown's bipartisanship, big whoop he voted with 13 other Rs to extend unemployment benefits and for a modest $15 billion stimulus which was basically a helpful and neccy tax cuts for small business. And for that the right wing purist here are ready to label him their next enemy. Wow he voted for small business tax cuts and extension of unemployment benefits. Watch out, it sounds lik he is another another up and coming socialist to me.

More scorched earth by the R radicals.

"The coalition that passed the relatively modest measure by 70 to 28 included 55 Democrats, 2 independents and 13 Republicans, a show of bipartisan consensus that has been rare on Capitol Hill in recent months"

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 8, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mojo975
Mikey, I'm seriously trying to help you out here and give your future rants more credibility: a socialist/communist/fascist sounds big and scary, but they don't exist. A communist is the polar opposite of a fascist.
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They absolutely exist and they are scary. This is why you liberals are trying so hard to diffuse the topic by play the race card, Tim McVeigh card, angry white people card etc. You don't want the PEOPLE to know the truth about Obama. You act like Obama can only be a socialist, a communist OR a fascist. In reality he can be any of the three when it suits his needs and he has been all three at various times. Keep trying to lie to us common folk all you want. We now know you are liars and there is no lies you can spin that we will believe. We, the common people, started corrective measures last November in the VA and NJ elections, continued this in the MA election and will keep correcting things is several upcoming elections. You liberals should enjoy your 15 minutes of totalitarian rule while it lasts.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 11:14 PM

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I guess you didn't read my 10:47 PM post. Stay away from the cell phone towers. They're having an effect on you.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Whats your point?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 11:06 PM

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Point? You mean this thread requires points? Better flush the whole thing.

Posted by: Brigade

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What are you talking about?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Like Wyatt Earp said in Tombstone,

"We're comin' and Hell's comin' with us."

Posted by: standard_guy | May 8, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Whats your point?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 11:06 PM

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Point? You mean this thread requires points? Better flush the whole thing.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

mojo wrote: Mikey, I'm seriously trying to help you out here and give your future rants more credibility:
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Here's some more help, Mike. Don't exaggerate your numbers. On this blog, we follow the numbers, so when you use numbers, you better have backup. Once you started talking about 2/3 of the country as TP and 20 million vote swing, I knew you were a real light weight.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Is that what you call a teabagging, by voting with them? You're universe is truly bizarre and fascinating.
Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 10:40 PM

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It must seem that way to you. I never said or implied that Scott Brown was a teabagger. I've noticed that many of you liberals fare better when you're able to provide both the statements and the rebuttals. Sort of like jerking yourself off.

Posted by: Brigade

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My comment was in reference to Mike's portrayal of the MA's election of Scott Brown being victory for the teabaggers, when he has in fact, been the opposite, and probably a better candidate than Coakely. Whats your point?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Brigade
How's Scott Brown working out for you?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:29 PM
Much better than Coakley's working out for you, nincompoop.
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LOL!

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leichtman1
ok mike I will play along with your unintelligent game.
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The only unintelligent thing I can see is your use of grammar and punctuation. I am far from perfect in this regard but you are "play" at a whole other level.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Now that we have that established, how're you going to get 10 million more votes with all that anger?
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I don't have to get them. You liberals are driving 20 million votes right into the column of the Republican candidates. The really ironic part is that you can't admit you are doing it and the really ironic part would be that you don't even realize you are doing it.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:58 PM
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The second "fact". Actually, recent polls show that if President Obama ran today, he would win. How does that fit your 20 million vote swing?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Mikey, I'm seriously trying to help you out here and give your future rants more credibility: a socialist/communist/fascist sounds big and scary, but they don't exist. A communist is the polar opposite of a fascist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Learn something, it just might change your mind.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Is that what you call a teabagging, by voting with them? You're universe is truly bizarre and fascinating.
Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 10:40 PM

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It must seem that way to you. I never said or implied that Scott Brown was a teabagger. I've noticed that many of you liberals fare better when you're able to provide both the statements and the rebuttals. Sort of like jerking yourself off.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Call two-thirds of the country tea baggers, mental, Tim McVeigh wannabees etc. and then expect to win elections. Keep up the good work and hang on to that winning strategy!

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:54 PM
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Well, the first fact. How do you justify that 2/3 of the country are Tea Partiers?

I've never seen a poll, or heard of a poll, that puts the TP at anything close to that.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Now that we have that established, how're you going to get 10 million more votes with all that anger?
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I don't have to get them. You liberals are driving 20 million votes right into the column of the Republican candidates. The really ironic part is that you can't admit you are doing it and the really ironic part would be that you don't even realize you are doing it.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: broadwayjoe
That's the ticket: Drive out of the party every incumbent who is competitive and sane. Yeah, run with that. LOL. Sheer bagger madness. How these mentals can celebrate the anniversary of Tim McVeigh's act of insanity as a virtual holiday is beyond me.
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You liberals have a great strategy. Call two-thirds of the country tea baggers, mental, Tim McVeigh wannabees etc. and then expect to win elections. Keep up the good work and hang on to that winning strategy!

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

@Mike,

You win. You are the angriest man here. You are angrier than me. You are angrier than God.

Now that we have that established, how're you going to get 10 million more votes with all that anger?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
You've been angry so long it's become normal. Here you are on a forum with lots of persuadable people. Here's your chance to explain your point of view in a reasonable manner. And you are unable to grasp that opportunity because you cannot control your anger. I got news for you, it is angry people like you who dishonor your own ideas.
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You really think highly of yourself, don't you? You know nothing about me and you are showing the typical liberal arrogance that infects nearly all liberals. You think you know what is good for us common folks even if we don't. Well I hate to break the news to you but you are far from knowing what is good for me and all the people in this country that work hard for their living which includes the wealthy. One person represents the hypocrisy of you liberals the best and clearest and that person is Al Gore. He is the poster child for why liberals can't be trusted morally, intellectually or fiscally. I am angry but not in the way that you want to portray it. My anger will show at the polls as will the anger from many, many others. Take your arrogance and use it on yourself.

This November we will see who is really angry. You liberals can barely control the contempt your have for us average, hard working people that don't want your version of a socialist/communist/fascist America. Your bitterness and anger comes from knowing you were so close to having your dream of controlling the masses and then screwing up and seeing slip through your fingers in the blink of an eye.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Scrivener50 wrote,
"FBI: IT'S HIGH TIME TO SAVE AMERICA. TELL POTUS ALL ABOUT HOMELAND'S CELLULAR TORTURE TOWERS AND THE EXTRAJUDICIAL FUSION CENTER GESTAPO."

At last! Someone's introduced a measure of sanity to this thread.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Bennett is the beginning. He came to envelope Washingtonitis Syndrome, namely becoming out of touch with reality. Hatch is next, Snowe, Collins, and any other bought off faux paux GOPer!

And congratulations Utah!!!

Posted by: JuicyJuice | May 8, 2010 8:27 PM
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That's the ticket: Drive out of the party every incumbent who is competitive and sane. Yeah, run with that. LOL. Sheer bagger madness. How these mentals can celebrate the anniversary of Tim McVeigh's act of insanity as a virtual holiday is beyond me.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 8, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

ok mike I will play along with your unintelligent game.
I posted that a R POTUS and R SOT tried valiantly to nationalize our banks in 2008 and called that the definition of socialism.
I then pointed out that your beloved
Sarah actually redistribute oil royalties
which is the prurist form of socialism.
And your response: there you go again using the race card. What?????????????????????????
Are you dumb man or did you just not make it through second grade reading class. That is about the most innane/evasive post I have ever read here, and believe me I have read plenty of dumb things posted here.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 8, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

How's Scott Brown working out for you?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:29 PM

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Much better than Coakley's working out for you, nincompoop.

Posted by: Brigade

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He sure showed those dems by voting with them to extend jobless benefits and on other bills. Is that what you call a teabagging, by voting with them? You're universe is truly bizarre and fascinating.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse


(rolling)

Hey, it just popped in my head.
Who cares about Utah anyways!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 9:32

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Their senators' votes count the same as those from your state, lowbrainer.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

How's Scott Brown working out for you?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:29 PM

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Much better than Coakley's working out for you, nincompoop.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leichtman1
Socialist D Party that is really a joke.
Guess which POTUS party tried valiantly to nationalize our banks in 2008? One guess
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You liberals are really worried about the socialist label sticking to Obama. You should be because the truth is hard to refute and you have no answer to the accusation because it is true. We can tell because you all have the typical knee-jerk instinct to play the race card in unison among other lame and crazy remarks.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

This is the reporting from Utah on the "win" by these lunatic baggers.

"All that was undone during Saturday's Republican state convention, which seethed with an anti-incumbent, anti-Obama-Reid-Pelosi rancor. When Bennett lost, the yips and howls from thousands of delegates sounded like coyotes going after one of their own.

Left standing were Mike Lee and Tim Bridgewater, both Utah County Republicans who like the tea partiers and 9/12ers just fine. Both claim to be strict constitutionalists who will free Utah from an oppressive federal government, take back federal lands in Utah and repeal health care reform.

Good luck with that."

Raw insanity.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 8, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116,

You've been angry so long it's become normal. Here you are on a forum with lots of persuadable people. Here's your chance to explain your point of view in a reasonable manner. And you are unable to grasp that opportunity because you cannot control your anger. I got news for you, it is angry people like you who dishonor your own ideas.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

arancia12 wrote,
"Because your leaders, like Newt Gingrich who is still a powerful Republican, were corrupt and immoral.
You keep voting the same losers into office because humans are corrupt by nature. You are doomed to disappointment again. And again. "

Never though of it that way. I guess they could try the Democratic method and nominate some non-humans.
Corrupt and immoral. Right. How are William Jefferson and Charlie Rangel doing these days?

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

On a 1 to 10 scale of conservatism, Bennett was a 12. Yet he was still insufficiently racis-, er, conservative for the baggers. Aside from the impeachment of our President, the only things these sociopaths have called for are: a return to Jim Crow literacy tests and criminalizing "living while brown."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 8, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mojo975
You idiot don't even know what socialism means. Obama isn't even close to being a socialist
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It takes more than the socialist label to correctly label Obama. It takes the socialist/Marxist/fascist label to properly describe him.

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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Aside from not being able to quote me correctly, please explain why Obama deserves to be labeled a socialist/marxist/fascist.

You know what, I'll give your simple mind a little hint: A fascist is the opposite of a Marxist, hence why Hitler turned on Russia in WWII. But then again, I forgot that facts and history don't really play well with your political leanings. You guys would be hilarious if you weren't so f 'ing scary with your ability to vote.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I am not an angry man, just one with a good amount of common sense and a good grasp on reality.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:10 PM
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Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shall we take a poll on that? He's not angry---he just goes around threatening people. No problem. That's NOT anger...it's...what shall we call it...common sense.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: arancia12
Thank you for showing why even trying to have a conversation with is pointless. Your ability to track is seriously damaged.
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I "track" just fine. I "tracked" the BS Obama spewed from early in the primary process. If he had told the blatant truth about his socialist/Marxist/fascist agenda then he would have never been elected.

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YOU mentioned that President Obama ran as a centrist, I simply proved to you he did not.
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.... and I proved to you that he did.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Socialist D Party that is really a joke.

Guess which POTUS party tried valiantly to nationalize our banks in 2008? One guess

Something interesting I read about socialist
Sarah from Alaska. And you might ask, how can
I dare call your beloved failed Gov a socialist?
Simple she took oil royalties and rather than pay down the Alaskan deficit REDISTRIBUTED
them to the citizens of Alaska. Now that is somehing a real commie pinko would do. True capitalists would tell the oil companies to keep the money and issue the money back to its investors as a dividend or pay it out in bonuses to its top executives.

I would call those policies true socialism;
kind of ironic don t you think from the party that throws around that word like they
even have any idea what it means.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 8, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

What would you expect from a person whose identify is defined by their cup size?

Posted by: arancia12 | May 8, 2010 7:52 PM

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More than I'd expect from someone whose moniker contains their IQ.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mojo975
You idiot don't even know what socialism means. Obama isn't even close to being a socialist
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It takes more than the socialist label to correctly label Obama. It takes the socialist/Marxist/fascist label to properly describe him.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

You like to live in the past, don't you?
Posted by: MikeJ9116 |
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Thank you for showing why even trying to have a conversation with is pointless. Your ability to track is seriously damaged.

YOU mentioned that President Obama ran as a centrist, I simply proved to you he did not.

Time for your meds, dear.

Posted by: arancia12 | May 8, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I am not an angry man, just one with a good amount of common sense and a good grasp on reality.

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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With all the crap you have been saying here, you clearly are a very angry man, with little common sense and not a very good grasp of reality.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Rs have become the scorched earth party
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I really don't get how this works. Voters are persuaded to vote a certain way.

How can you package rage and revenge in an attractive way? Especially, when conservatives take great delight in taking revenge on someone like Sen. Bennett? In their own party.

Oh, conservatives can whip themselves up into a frenzy--that's easy. But, how do they attact 10 million new voters to the purge-and-revenge theme?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

BroadwayJoe wrote,
"chat with your Post coworkers Eugene Robinson, Colbert King, and E.J. Dionne; they will hip you to the baggers' jive."

When these bozos weigh in, that pretty much settles matters for Joe and some of the others here. The rest of us prefer to hear what people to the right of Putin are saying.

"I agree with noa--if you are going to discuss the baggers in any context you must include some disapproval of their bigotry and hooliganism."

We would if there was any evidence at all that the bigotry and hooliganism actually existed anywhere but in the fevered brains of the three imbeciles you referenced.

Robinson and King see a Klansman under every bed, except Robert Byrd's. Dionne is just a pathetic fool.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBluesThe reason we're picking on you, Mike, is because you are the caricature of a machete-swinging, apocalyptic-spewing, angry man.
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What are you? A caricature of the guy that thinks money grows on trees, Islamic terrorists won't want to kill us if we just understand their pain, the achievers (aka wealthy) can never be overtaxed, Our borders should be as porous as a screen door, all conservatives are racists, etc.? I am not an angry man, just one with a good amount of common sense and a good grasp on reality.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

SAND-BAGGED? OR SOMETHING ELSE?

It is not inappropriate to say that Bennett was tea-bagged. Now, if someone said he was "tea-baggered," that would be wrong.

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NOTED: Operation blog-spam in full force this Saturday. Exhibit A: TheBagbeNemo is back... like a bad cold?!

Does this mean that despite what Secretary Gates said today in Abilene, the black ops money will continue to flow to the "information systems" mercenary censors of political blog discourse in America...

...and that taxpayers will continue to foot the bill for ideologically-driven effluvia?

Don't answer, Babe -- you may incriminate yourself.

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FBI: IT'S HIGH TIME TO SAVE AMERICA. TELL POTUS ALL ABOUT HOMELAND'S CELLULAR TORTURE TOWERS AND THE EXTRAJUDICIAL FUSION CENTER GESTAPO.

See Vic Livingston's "Notes" on his Facebook page.

HOMELAND FUSION CENTERS SILENTLY ASSAULT, IMPAIR CITIZENS WITH MICROWAVE CELLULAR 'TORTURE TOWERS' GOD MACHINE: VETERAN JOURNO

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener re: "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 8, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

You idiot teabaggers don't even know what socialism means. Obama isn't even close to being a socialist, you just say he is because foxnews told you so. There is, in fact, a whole world outside of the trailer park if you just changed the channel...

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman is a moderate? huh on what planet is that? He campaigned alongside Sen Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran (and Sarah) who is now compromising every principle I once supported him for and that he has ever had, to battle JD, and has never seen an insurance company,a military weapon system or war that he didn't fall in love with. This will be Joe's last term, I have no doubt about that, a local dog catcher could beat him today. I would not call Joe a conservative, moderate or liberal. Everything is always all about Joe and what is good for him. We call that being an Opportunist not a moderate.
As for Arlen, folks I have talked with in Pa
expect him to win, he is a savy politician.

There are no moderates left in this country, Collins and Snowe have drunk the TeaParty line hook line and sinker, and vote the doctrinaire line on every single bill, even those they had a hand in crafting. The only 2 rational Senator Rs left seem to be Lynsey Graham and Bob Coker, who are likely next in line to be trashed by the lunatic right for having the audacity of actually trying to be bi-partisan and get some things accomplished in the US Senate like energy policy that might avoid the fiasco in the Gulf and banking reform to avoid g+d forbid another Lehman like meltdown.If you think things are polarized in the US Senate today wait until a few TeaPartiers get in there and try and shut the entire govt down like Newt in '95. Civility and decorum whatever is left of that will vanish in a flash. Rs have become the scorched earth party; in some circles that philosophy is called nihilism. Congratulations that is where Rs are trying to take this nation.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 8, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

After Obama and his Social Democrat Party's gross misinterpretation of Obama's 52.6% election victory as a mandate for socialism and their denial of the Massachusetts Massacre, the voting public is in a seething rage and ready to push government to the right to restore balance, reduce the left's profligate spending, and cut the size of government itself.

Bennet and a lot of other politicians will pay the price for growing government into it's bloated state, the deficit, and the debt and good riddance to them. No one more deserves facing virulent opposition for the last two years of his corrupt administration than Obama.

Posted by: RUKidding0 | May 8, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Maddogg
A - Most likely. Jobs are now growing faster than anticipated. Consumers are spending great. And the economy is rebounding fast.
Republicans will only erase the economic gains being made.
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I see you pulled and Algore and failed to mention the unemployment rate went from 9.7% to 9.9%. Are you going to tell us how the rise in unemployment is a good sign? Sure it is.

BTW, the Republicans won't erase the imaginary economic gains you think exist. they will erase the economic PAIN that Democrats have made worse and longer lasting that they should have been.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"... this is why I don't vote for the GOP anymore."
Posted by: am1968 | May 8, 2010 7:26 PM

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Anymore? Right. Who could have guessed.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Your lies, like the ones you are trying to spew here, aren't believed anymore so waste your time. This November will prove to be the worst losses for Democrats ever witnessed. You know this is true which is why you liberals can't stop lying even as you are circling the toilet bowl.

Posted by: MikeJ9116
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The reason we're picking on you, Mike, is because you are the caricature of a machete-swinging, apocalyptic-spewing, angry man. Not once does it occur to you to turn on the charm offensive and try to persuade people to your point of view. Instead, you try to intimidate, as if you can control the outcome through your anger.

Playing Braveheart may work on the big screen, but it doesn't work in the political arena. People aren't intimidated into voting a certain way. Voting booths are private, remember?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: arancia12
What? I guess you were in a coma during the presidential elections. Barack Obama campaigned on ending Iraq, passing health care reform, and cutting emissions that cause global climate change. If that's centrist then you live in some other country.
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You like to live in the past, don't you? The elections I mentioned are well after the 2008 presidential election and are therefore far more relevant to what will happen this coming November. The best thing Obama has going for him is that he is the first black president. After that he has been nothing but a failure.

People like me knew Obama was a radical liberal from early in the Democrat primaries. He and his wife couldn't sit in Rev. Wright's church listening to the hate he spewed every Sunday without being a socialist/Fascist/Marxist at their core. Obama told people what they wanted to hear. He was going to be a uniter, not raise taxes on the middle class, give us free health care on the backs of the rich, control the deficit etc., etc. Well it was all nothing but lies. Gitmo was supposed to be closed, gays could openly serve in the military, the troops would be out of Iraq etc., etc. More lies from Obama. Obama lied EVERY TIME he opened his mouth during his campaign and he is still lying to use to this day. The difference is that now the people he fooled to get their vote won't be fooled again. Obama is already the worst president in the history of this country and he has 2.5 more years to further raise the bar.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Buttworm wrote,
"Joseph Stack and the enemy combatant Timothy McVeigh are typical unsung heroes of the Tea Party, not the Ronald Reagan of the former Republican Party. If you don't like big government, just blow up a building. Or drive a plane into one. Sound familiar?"

Sounds like you're a dolt.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Q - Will Democrats prevail in November?

A - Most likely. Jobs are now growing faster than anticipated. Consumers are spending great. And the economy is rebounding fast.

Republicans will only erase the economic gains being made.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 8, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Conservatives need to hold every vote they got in 2008, and add 10 million more votes to win in 2012.

So, what do they do?

1. Throw out some Republicans.
2. Throw out hispanics.
3. Insult moderates.
4. Vow revenge against Democrats.

And HOW does this get 10 million more votes?

Posted by: 12BarBlues

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All in the name of party purity. Some Austrian guy thought the same thing needed to be done with blue eyed blonds.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Tea Baggers get in office and the official anthem will become "Seig Heil". Troops will be goose stepping down Pennsylvania Avenue in parade. They will use the Patriot Act and illegal spying to liquidate their opponents.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 8, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Mike tells us more than he intends. He doesn't deny the fundamentalist Taliban quality of the purging Tea Party. No, he threatens to come after everybody else and vows revenge for the election of Obama.
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You tell us something too. Your ability for self delusion is well refined. You far left wacko liberals should feel very threatened at the ballot box. Your lies, like the ones you are trying to spew here, aren't believed anymore so waste your time. This November will prove to be the worst losses for Democrats ever witnessed. You know this is true which is why you liberals can't stop lying even as you are circling the toilet bowl.

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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Just because you and Glenn Beck say its going to happen doesn't mean it will happen. You do realize that those on the left get to vote too right? Or are you hoping, that, in your f' ed up right wing vitriol spewing view that we will suddenly forget to go to the polls in November? I understand that you guys just discovered the internet after the 2008 presidential election so you now have a platform to spew your crap, but just because you are really loud doesn't mean that there are more of you.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Conservatives need to hold every vote they got in 2008, and add 10 million more votes to win in 2012.

So, what do they do?

1. Throw out some Republicans.
2. Throw out hispanics.
3. Insult moderates.
4. Vow revenge against Democrats.

And HOW does this get 10 million more votes?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse


Hitler was a Fascist (opposite of democracy)
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You do know that the opposite of socialism is capitalism.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues
Mike tells us more than he intends. He doesn't deny the fundamentalist Taliban quality of the purging Tea Party. No, he threatens to come after everybody else and vows revenge for the election of Obama.
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You tell us something too. Your ability for self delusion is well refined. You far left wacko liberals should feel very threatened at the ballot box. Your lies, like the ones you are trying to spew here, aren't believed anymore so waste your time. This November will prove to be the worst losses for Democrats ever witnessed. You know this is true which is why you liberals can't stop lying even as you are circling the toilet bowl.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, as David Brooks has suggested, we moderates seem destined to be lost in the middle because moderation is a [relatively relaxed] approach to problem solving, not an ideology, and cannot be sold in a slogan. I think the Ds are more welcoming to moderates now - Baucus ran the major health care working group in the Senate, Bayh was not pushed out, neither of the Nelsons has lost committee plums, and the [I], Lieberman, remains chair of Homeland Security. The Prez is backing Lincoln against the favored candidate of the west coast liberals.

There was a time when the Rs were more welcoming. Perhaps they will be again. I think Snowe and Collins are not unwelcome in the official party. Lugar has not drawn TEA opposition - yet. There do seem to be few big tent Rs [beside, perhaps, you?] posting here. But I do not take this site as indicative of anything, in terms of polling America.

Moderates would have more traction if there were more CDs that had not been drawn to be "liberal" or "conservative". It is difficult for a moderate outside the mountain west or perhaps Maine and DE to be elected to the House of Representatives, from what I have seen. Why the mountin west? Because some of those states have so few CDs that they cannot be gerrymandered. Same for DE and perhaps ME.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 8, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I guess you were in a coma during the VA, NJ, MA elections? This IS a center-right country and Obama lied his way into the White House by PRETENDING to be a centrist. Well, the PEOPLE now know he is a bald faced liar and their retribution on the Democrats will be swift and merciless at the ballot box.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 |
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What? I guess you were in a coma during the presidential elections. Barack Obama campaigned on ending Iraq, passing health care reform, and cutting emissions that cause global climate change. If that's centrist then you live in some other country.

In fact, he ran as a liberal and has hardly been liberal enough for some who voted for him. President Obama is about as centrist now as Bill Clinton was, which is pretty center. Your viewpoint is just so skewed right everything looks left to you.

Again you conservatives talk about retribution, slaughter, mercilessness. You are a bloodthirsty and hateful crowd aren't you?

Posted by: arancia12 | May 8, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

(rolling)

Hey, it just popped in my head.
Who cares about Utah anyways!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Mike also thinks his f' ed up views represent the majority of Americans. Whatever helps him sleep at night I guess.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:25 PM
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I'll wager that Mike does not sleep well at all. He grinds his teeth, and fantasizes about getting even with every liberal co-worker and neighbor and relative. He's very well rehearsed about what he'll say when his side wins. Can't you tell?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I love how excited the teabaggers become when 3,500 people in a Utah clubhouse vote out the impure. The teabaggers then extrapolate the results to mean the end of Obama and the Democrats.
But that is like saying because all your 3,500 friends drink with bendy straws, everyone should only use bendy straws and we need to get rid of the classic straight straw. You have millions of people to convince about your bendy straw. Don't be so excited.

Posted by: xdougwhite | May 8, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bethechangeyouwant
Now a couple of thousand people in right-wing Utah favor extremists over an arch-conservative Senator and people here are claiming that this is a national movement to the right.
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I guess you were in a coma during the VA, NJ, MA elections? This IS a center-right country and Obama lied his way into the White House by PRETENDING to be a centrist. Well, the PEOPLE now know he is a bald faced liar and their retribution on the Democrats will be swift and merciless at the ballot box.

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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How's Scott Brown working out for you?

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Q - Why do neo-cons and Tea Baggers hate socialists and communists?

A - They have Hitler envy. They wish to take the US down the same path as Nazi Germany. Hitler hated socialists and communists. Murdered them in the millions.

PS Pls note Hitler was not a socialist. He was very much pro-business/pro defense.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 8, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ wrote: You wacko, far left liberals like to portray the majority of Americans as weird and like the Taliban and then think you are somehow the mainstream of this country.
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Mike tells us more than he intends. He doesn't deny the fundamentalist Taliban quality of the purging Tea Party. No, he threatens to come after everybody else and vows revenge for the election of Obama.

Posted by: 12BarBlues

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Mike also thinks his f' ed up views represent the majority of Americans. Whatever helps him sleep at night I guess.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bethechangeyouwant
Now a couple of thousand people in right-wing Utah favor extremists over an arch-conservative Senator and people here are claiming that this is a national movement to the right.
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I guess you were in a coma during the VA, NJ, MA elections? This IS a center-right country and Obama lied his way into the White House by PRETENDING to be a centrist. Well, the PEOPLE now know he is a bald faced liar and their retribution on the Democrats will be swift and merciless at the ballot box.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ wrote: You wacko, far left liberals like to portray the majority of Americans as weird and like the Taliban and then think you are somehow the mainstream of this country.
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Mike tells us more than he intends. He doesn't deny the fundamentalist Taliban quality of the purging Tea Party. No, he threatens to come after everybody else and vows revenge for the election of Obama.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse


no suzycup, i didn't.
inside joke and play on words because of bum fr*** egypt's law down here.
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Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't get Bennett passed the "Purity" test.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | May 8, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bobnsri
Oh my heart fills with joy, watching the gop destroy itself before my very eyes.
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Are you really this dense? What do you think the Democrats have been doing the past four years?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous. When the vast majority of Americans elected Obama President, the Republicans denied that he had a mandate for anything and attempted to block all solutions to problems.

Now a couple of thousand people in right-wing Utah favor extremists over an arch-conservative Senator and people here are claiming that this is a national movement to the right.

Posted by: bethechangeyouwant | May 8, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frodot
"Tea-liban" That's about right. next question: is the majority of Utah as weird as this group?
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Oh, the irony in your comments. You wacko, far left liberals like to portray the majority of Americans as weird and like the Taliban and then think you are somehow the mainstream of this country. The real truth, that you are unable to comprehend, is that it is you far left wingnuts are the real fringe in this country. Somehow you found a good enough liar in Obama to get one of your socialist/Marxist/communist minions elected president. Well your lies are no longer believed and Obama is sowing the seeds of the destruction of the Democrat Party. The Republican Party is being purified of its corruption by the Tea Party while the Democrat Party is falling under the weight of its corruption and lies.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 8, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone surprised? Utah hates gay people so much they did whatever they could to prevent their neighbor from legalizing same-sex marriage. Of course they are going to go for the further right wackjob out there. So remember teabaggers, just because a far right leaning state nominates a far right leaning wackjob doesn't mean the rest of the country is going to do it. Continue eating your own and driving the moderates towards the democrats. At least that will keep the adults in charge of things.

Posted by: mojo975 | May 8, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh my heart fills with joy, watching the gop destroy itself before my very eyes.

Posted by: bobnsri | May 8, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

VA, NJ, MA, now Utan and Florida...I don't care if you're a tea party candidate or just a garden variety GOP. ALL democrats need to be unelected in 2010...all of them. Get the thieves out of Congress and the President can be controlled...see Clinton circa 94-00. GOP get back to your limited govt roots. Stop chasing manufacturing jobs out of country by not saddling them with all the 'scoial justice' horse$h!^and let's get this country rolling again...but ALL democrats OUT in 2010!

Posted by: PanhandleWilly | May 8, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

All the more reason why an elected official should govern with truth,integrity, and love of country. All those years of carrying water for the GOP and Bennett gets kicked out any ways. Maybe this is what it will take for the People to get a badly needed third party.

If only the Tea Party can purge itself of the Birthers and racists then they will be a party with even greater broad appeal. The real test for the Tea Party is whether or not they can disagree with Limbaugh and not have to kiss his butt for forgiveness.

Posted by: SteelWheel25 | May 8, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Here in Indiana, every federal Tea Party back candidate got beat Tuesday. We understand that being too far from center doesn't work and just leads to stagnation. Republican's may gain a majority but not by much so they will not be veto proof. They'll have to learn a new behavior called compromising. Much like the Dems do with Republicans now.

Dems put the stuff the nopublicans want to see in bills then the dems run it to the hill for a vote only to have the party of no do its thing and dems are forced to party line vote it in.

This way the Repubs get what they want and don't have to get egg on their faces too for voting for the bill they helped draft. I'm onto their little game.

Posted by: rdk1974 | May 8, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else will convince you of the coming slaughter, November is only six months away. Six months, politically speaking, is only a few minutes way.


Posted by: HostileKnowledge

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What a hodgepodge of hatred!

President Obama inherited the imperial presidency from the man you voted for twice. You should learn a lesson from that. Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it and it just might pass to someone else.

You call elections a slaughter. Rational people call them an exercise in democracy. We shall see what happens in November.

Just remember it was your golden-boy Republican who put all power into the presidency and not all conservatives are moral and decent. Be careful what you ask for!

Posted by: arancia12 | May 8, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Let the last moderate to leave the republican party turn out the lights.

Posted by: forrest3 | May 8, 2010 7:00 PM

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Unlike the Democratic party where moderates are always welcome. How's Joe Lieberman these days?

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about nothing.

How many states nominate candidates initially using a party convention?

How many states west of the Mississippi and north of the Mason-Dixon are as knee-jerk right-wing as Utah?

Much ado about nothing.

Posted by: russellglee | May 8, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Bennett lost in a closed caucus-style GOP delegate only setting. Other tea party candidates who must face primary elections, open or closed, have lost, and will continue to lose. Outside of a few special districts carved out to vote GOP no matter who runs, the election will go to the centrist. The more tea partiers who are nominated the better for the Democrats who face them, especially in the state wide Senate elections.

Posted by: LeftGuy | May 8, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

After reading all the comments on this thread, these themes come out:

1. Purging = Revenge.

2. Purging undesirables like Bennett is rehearsal for purging President Obama.

3. A primary reason for purging Bennett is because of his stance on immigration.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 8, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

when the obama regime

finally relaizes

that its game over in november

there will be a reichstag fire against the tea party

real

or concocted

Posted by: ProCounsel | May 8, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

when the obama regime

finally relaizes

that its game over in november

there will be a reichstag fire aganst the tea party

real

or concocted

Posted by: ProCounsel | May 8, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Congressional Democrats are p!ssing in their pants...

Posted by: HostileKnowledge | May 8, 2010 8:47 PM


Like Chris Mathews, they love to feel that tingle down their leg.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Tupac: we could consider Bennett a
LOS SOUL

Go Suns!!!!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 8:45 PM


You meant LOST SOUL.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The GOP, now HEAVILY beholden to the Tea Party, is threatening Democratic seats in nearly every blue state. Don’t take my word for this. Get out of your comfort zone and do some simple research!

If nothing else will convince you of the coming slaughter, November is only six months away. Six months, politically speaking, is only a few minutes way.

Congressional Democrats are p!ssing in their pants. Obama vacillates between promoting Cap & Trade and amnesty for illegals. This, at a time when Americans know that we are all sitting at the precipice of $5-6 gas and opening the flood gates to millions of new legal workers will drive wages through the floor and unemployment through the stratosphere.

Many Democrats have already fallen on their swords for President Cockroach. But there are still quite a number of them left that are unwilling to drink the balance of his poison Kool-Aid. They will abandon him to save their own skins.

Obama will use his Executive Powers to create as much economic, social and political chaos as he can. But his ability to pass his Marxist agenda through congress is drawing to a rapid conclusion.

Posted by: HostileKnowledge | May 8, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"Tea-liban" That's about right. next question: is the majority of Utah as weird as this group?

Posted by: frodot | May 8, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

When Bob Bennett isn't conservative enough for what the GOP has become, the "Big Tent" has clearly become a "Pup Tent"

Not even Ronald Reagan would be comfortable inside the Pup Tent.

Posted by: exco | May 8, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

america is in serious trouble under the

threat to freedom of the obama regime

during normal times bennett could have stayed

but this is no time for the summer patriot..........

the obama regime is going to be stunned in november when this happens all over america

all across the board

to dems

obama regime--tyranny

Posted by: ProCounsel | May 8, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Tupac: we could consider Bennett a
LOS SOUL

Go Suns!!!!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Tea Party crazies may have momentum in republican states only.

Posted by: truth1 | May 8, 2010 8:24 PM


Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Pennsylvania... does it matter where the republican momentum comes from? We've got it. Period.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The conservative republicans have begun eating their own. They will continue doing so into obscurity.

Its time to let them go into history and a moderate party move into its place. I don't like the libertarians but they have had staying power. If they had some good party officials they could take advantage of this vacuum the republican are creating and gain numbers in congress.

What conservatives don't understand is that after 8 years of Bush and 14 years of majority republican rule in congress, no one wants the republican conservatives to run America ever again.

Posted by: Fate1 | May 8, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

If Bennett's gone because he was too "liberal," the GOP is gone as a major party. You reap what you sow.

Posted by: mgorman1 | May 8, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Cool! The nuts are beginning to excommunicate each other for heresy!

You can never be conservative enough! This electricity, television, and women allowed outside the home has something of the devil in it!

On to the ninth century! On to America's Taliban!

Posted by: orange3 | May 8, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"Progressives" just can't get it through their heads that millions of previously, mostly silent Americans have become enraged over a deaf, heavy-handed, budget busting big government.

If you progressives want to delude yourselves that the right is running over the edge, you might want to remove your blinders and look at how President Cockroach, the pied piper of Marxism, is leading his Kool-Aid drinking lemmings over the cliff on the left.

Posted by: HostileKnowledge
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Talk about delusional. Tbaggers do not number number in the millions. What proof do you offer, poster?

There are probably as many "silent majority" (remember that term?) who are truly repulsed by the juvenile meanness of comments and name calling like this.

The Republican party in Utah was bought and paid for by a Washington DC special interest group. That is hardly a wave of freshness now, is it?

Posted by: arancia12 | May 8, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Bennett is the beginning. He came to envelope Washingtonitis Syndrome, namely becoming out of touch with reality. Hatch is next, Snowe, Collins, and any other bought off faux paux GOPer!

And congratulations Utah!!!

Posted by: JuicyJuice | May 8, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

OK, Bennett is gone. Incumbents should go also. Rep Gerry Connolly has got GO TO!!!

Losers are losers. Vote anyone in, any party, but get rid of Gerry!!!

Please help Northern Virginia. Vote NO to Gerry.

Posted by: JustSomeThoughts | May 8, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Bennett is the beginning. He came to envelope Washingtonitis Syndrome, namely becoming out of touch with reality. Hatch is next, Snowe, Collins, and any other bought off faux paux GOPer!

And congratulations Utah!!!

Posted by: JuicyJuice | May 8, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

It's hilarious watching "progressive" comments. The Tea Party promised they were going to purge old line GOP party hacks/RINOS and they are living up to that promise.

"Progressives" just can't get it through their heads that millions of previously, mostly silent Americans have become enraged over a deaf, heavy-handed, budget busting big government.

If you progressives want to delude yourselves that the right is running over the edge, you might want to remove your blinders and look at how President Cockroach, the pied piper of Marxism, is leading his Kool-Aid drinking lemmings over the cliff on the left.

Posted by: HostileKnowledge | May 8, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Tea baggers AKA Tea Party crazies may have momentum in republican states only.

Posted by: truth1 | May 8, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

LOVE IT....xxxx

the Tea-liban

What are we fightin' for...
Don't ask me, I don't give a d***
We're all goin' to Vietnam (or is that Pakistan???))))


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

If every American were to listen to this there would be an immediate revolution.

You owe it to yourselves and your posterity to learn the truth.

Share this with EVERYONE. Not just your Patriot friends. America needs to WAKE UP to this.

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Posted by: AJAX2 | May 8, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

If every American were to listen to this there would be an immediate revolution.

You owe it to yourselves and your posterity to learn the truth.

Share this with EVERYONE. Not just your Patriot friends. America needs to WAKE UP to this.

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Or is it?

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On 1490 WWPR, Tampa Bay

Reaching 2 million area residents daily

http://1490wwpr.com

Internet Streaming live for those outside the area.

Next Wednesday, May 12th, 2010 at 8 to 9 am EST and starting the following Monday, May 17th, every weekday at 8 to 9 am drive time.


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File will remain active for:
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Posted by: AJAX2 | May 8, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

All of the bow tie conservatives of yester-year (McCain comes to mind) should resign. The greatest generationers.

They may have been heroes in WWII, etc. but their time is over.

NO MORE BOW TIES !!!!!

(rolling)
Now we have Teabaggers who were the Hippies of the 60s. Far out man!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Excellent departure. Bennett is a huge fan of our millions of illegal aliens. Adios, Roberto.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein | May 8, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

TO:RcHaa27aa

You must have been picking your seat and found the numbers that you throw out. Where else could they come from but that area of your body.

How do you like the Republicans that voted for Obama and support the law of the land?

Posted by: COWENS99 | May 8, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

the tea-liban continues to destroy the party of no idea.

enjoy the spectacle.

the extremists are killing themselves.

Posted by: xxxxxx1 | May 8, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris:

I am surprised that WaPo doesn't have, on front pages, the AZ immigration issue.

Too hard to handle????

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Since Bennet has been kicked to the curb by the Republicans, will he now vote with the Democrats for the remainder of his term? Hmmm, maybe the Democrats now have 60 votes again.

Posted by: AnnsThought | May 8, 2010 8:07 PM

What happens when Specter gets kicked to the curb by Sestak? Will he go back and vote with the republicans?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I seem to recall good old Ronnie Reagan say that the Democrats were so left, they left the country. Yuk, Yuk , YUK!

The GOP is so right, they are going right out the door. Or as good old Sarah says, drill baby drill. The hole in the floor that is.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | May 8, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

hat is why after 2012 there will be a true sea change such what you think of as moderate will be ultra left. when we get rid of the 20MM illegals and hollywood falls apart as they just did over southpark issue, the 14% of you who control 90% of the national dialogue will be nothing but a bad, bad memory.

the polictics of a 14 year old girl conjoined with the hippie mentality these last 50 years has just about ruined 'the great experiement'

Posted by: laughing_at_dems

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It's good to keep a sense of humor. I get a chuckle out of you conservatives. You know that if you don't know history you are doomed to repeat it.

I heard all your same talking points back in the early 90's with the Contract with America. That contract wasn't even as good as the paper it was written on. Know why? Because your leaders, like Newt Gingrich who is still a powerful Republican, were corrupt and immoral.

You keep voting the same losers into office because humans are corrupt by nature. You are doomed to disappointment again. And again.

I also heard the same talking points in 1999 when you voted George W. Bush into office. You were so in love with his conservative big government, big spending, and warmongering ways you voted him in twice.

I chuckle when I think of that definition of insanity. Someone who keeps doing the same thing over again and expects different results.

Posted by: arancia12 | May 8, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Liberal - open minded, broadminded, moderate, freethinking, tolerant, generous, substantial. Tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others. Progressive politically or socially. Favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual.

Conservative – traditional, conventional, conformist, unadventurous, old-fashioned, old school. Reluctant to accept change: in favor of preserving the status quo and traditional values and customs, and against abrupt change. Cautious and on low side: cautiously moderate and therefore often less than the final outcome.

Daddy, what's a traditional value and custom?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Since Bennet has been kicked to the curb by the Republicans, will he now vote with the Democrats for the remainder of his term? Hmmm, maybe the Democrats now have 60 votes again.

Posted by: AnnsThought | May 8, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Since Bennet has been kicked to the curb by the Republicans, will he now vote with the Democrats for the remainder of his term? Hmmm, maybe the Democrats now have 60 votes again.

Posted by: AnnsThought | May 8, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

TO:RAYMEO

"Return to the glorious Reagan days of yesteryear". Please read a history book focused on economics.

Ronald Reagan successfully proved that "trickle down economics" doesn't work.

His idea was to cut taxes (mostly for the wealthy taxpayers), build the military and balance the budget and cut the deficit. After 8 years the deficit increased 189%, the government was the largest in history,
the market tumbled in 1988, and more new security guard jobs at minimum wage were created than any other job position in the country.

Reagan ran on abolishing the Department of Education, but forget that before his hand came off the bible when he took the oath of office.He was smart and knew that was a good selling point to lure right wing voters, but a loser and walked away from it while in the oval office.

I liked Reagan for his ability to make Americans feel good about the country and themselves. Many of his ideas were flops.

America will never return to 1950 with "Ozzie & Harriett", time marches on. The Constitution authorizes the government to provide for the welfare of the people, and the elastic clause authorizes government to provide and change to meet the changing challenging times.

We are all the government, and should work together to make America and the lives of our citizens the very best they can be. Not lie and call health care reform death panels as some did.

One thing can be guaranteed, the future will be different than the past. We have more citizens and a moral government works for those citizens. We need a smart working government rather than a smaller or bigger government.

Posted by: COWENS99 | May 8, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Is there any possibility of a strong Democratic nominee emerging now that the extreme right has purged the far right?

Posted by: jeffersonian1 | May 8, 2010 7:59 PM



uh, the state is Utah. Ultraconservative. Democrats in Utah hide under rocks.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Utah Über Alles!!

Posted by: LeftCoastNative | May 8, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Is there any possibility of a strong Democratic nominee emerging now that the extreme right has purged the far right?

Posted by: jeffersonian1 | May 8, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Suzccup: No mine don't look like the picture you sent me. How did you come up with that thing?
Why don't you answer my questions about TARP and the Stimulus Package? Do you think all of the American people just sit and soak up that right wing BS? The Tea Party people will have to answer those kinds of questions, if they want votes.

Posted by: gcstone | May 8, 2010 7:45 PM

gcstone, I'm glad you don't have a gun that looks like the one in the picture. I wouldn't want you to get hurt, even if you are a liberal.

The TARP and Stimulus were a big waste of Taxpayer money. My answer is simple - no TARP, no Stimulus.

How does a 9.9% unemployment rate make you feel? Tell all the unemployed people that the stimulus worked. They love hearing that.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

the oil spill:

deadly, uncontainable and expanding like crazy.

Just like Obama's ego.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 8, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Thirty to forty percent of Democrats today are hard left liberals and would vote for ANYONE with a D after their name. They have no flexibility, no sense, no moral direction, hate God and Jesus, hate the constitution, want to kill babies by the millions, hate our military and hate America as it once was and what the founders like Jefferson and Madison wanted. And we are supposed to take their insane posts on this comment page seriously? No Thanks. They are irrelevant without the other fifteen to twenty percent of real American, decent democrats who vote for the good of the country. You remember the old democratic party don't you? The party of Scoop Jackson, JFK, Harry Truman and Sam Nunn. You remember them? Honest opposition, not he liberal drones that infect your party today.

Posted by: rchaa27aa | May 8, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse


what's with the reposting of entries all over the place.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Overheard at the DNC:

Please don't vote us out, none of us can do real jobs.

Reducing America's carbon footprint, one job at a time.

Making everything free in this country except you.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 8, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

suzyccup--you represent your t-bagger party well, you are rude, nasty, mean, STUPID, and a jackass.

Posted by: dematheart |
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What would you expect from a person whose identify is defined by their cup size?

Posted by: arancia12 | May 8, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

This is pretty much a shrug. a different Republican will represent Utah next year.

so what?

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 8, 2010 7:44 PM


Fast forward to 2012: This is pretty much a shrug. a different President will represent the US next year.

so what?


I love those "so whats."

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Good! Every single incummbant should be shaking in his or her boot at this moment. Time to clean house.

The more the Republican Party sticks to its conservative goals, the quicker the economy, the country, the people can get back on track.

Posted by: MrBoggle | May 8, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Good! Every single incummbant should be shaking in his or her boot at this moment. Time to clean house.

The more the Republican Party sticks to its conservative goals, the quicker the economy, the country, the people can get back on track.

Posted by: MrBoggle | May 8, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Good! Every single incummbant should be shaking in his or her boot at this moment. Time to clean house.

The more the Republican Party sticks to its conservative goals, the quicker the economy, the country, the people can get back on track.

Posted by: MrBoggle | May 8, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Suzccup: No mine don't look like the picture you sent me. How did you come up with that thing?
Why don't you answer my questions about TARP and the Stimulus Package? Do you think all of the American people just sit and soak up that right wing BS? The Tea Party people will have to answer those kinds of questions, if they want votes. If you've got answers, then let's hear them!

Posted by: gcstone | May 8, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

This is pretty much a shrug. a different Republican will represent Utah next year.

so what?

the good news is that it sends the message to the wavering RINOs that they better cut out the liberal lite stuff. McCain, Snowe, Graham and others will be sent to the gallows soon enough. We have spent enough to last us decades.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 8, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

So many RINO's, so little time. Crist, McCain,
Lindsay Graham, etc. We need new blood in the Halls of Congress. The good ol' boys (and girls) have screwed up our country enough. Back to smaller government, the RULE OF LAW, Spending Cuts, Deficit Reduction, and a passion for sticking to the Constitution, which includes PROTECTING OUR BORDERS AND THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY! Our enemies reside in our government. Off with their heads in November and again in 2012!

Posted by: priley8104 | May 8, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The mad hatters and red queens say off with their heads. The Church of Latter Day haters infects the Mormons having giving up their racist sons of Cain ethic.

Posted by: jameschirico | May 8, 2010 7:36 PM

You would do well in Reverend Wright's church. He's been looking for members ever since obama threw him under the bus. Good luck.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Republicans: continue to eat your own. Keep up the good work. Soon you will all
be gone and the world will be a better place.

Posted by: larry9 | May 8, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

"It also marks the first major victory for the conservative wing of the Republican party, which has organized itself under the banner of the Tea Party movement to protest what they believe to be a government run amok."
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Tea bagger cheerleading is beneath anyone on the Post staff. Pal, the baggers are not "quasi-libertarians."

Few journalists outside Drudge/Fix World regard the baggers as a legitimate movement any more than the Klan and the Aryan Nation are legit "movements." Practically no one buys into the idea that opposition to big government and taxes is what animates these Yahoos. Those are media friendly cover issues.

Their problem is the first black president of the United States. Not convinced? Spend some time talking with Congressman Cleaver...after he has wiped the baggers' spit off his face. Or talk to baggers' founder and president Dale Robertson...after he has put down his infamous n-word sign. Or chat with your Post coworkers Eugene Robinson, Colbert King, and E.J. Dionne; they will hip you to the baggers' jive.
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I agree with noa--if you are going to discuss the baggers in any context you must include some disapproval of their bigotry and hooliganism. Without such mention, you become an apologist for, or legitimizer of, their "movement" or worse.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 8, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

The mad hatters and red queens say off with their heads. The Church of Latter Day haters infects the Mormons having giving up their racist sons of Cain ethic. Some like Beck continue with the ethic saying Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people. The haters require conservative purity, religious purity (when has not a Mormon won an election), racial purity which reminds one of the Nazi purity test. They don't take their hatred to holocaust extremes, but it is there. 57% of voters are Mormon with a fourth being haters, nearly all of them far right, 70% registered Republicans. While only 12% in Utah hispanics make up over 30% nationwide with the GOP losing their support bigtime backing Tea Party positions. The non-Mormon population resides in the 2 gambling meccas Vegas/Reno or their suburbs. Don't know too much about the 2 runoff candidates but if they are anything like Hoffmann or Rubio (lacks the under 45 hispanic vote) chalk up some losses in Nov.

Posted by: jameschirico | May 8, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it refreshing when the three stooges don't dominate the blog.

when all the Libs get thrown from office, the leftist kooks will declare they never saw it coming and that they don't know anyone who would ever vote Repub.

Posted by: bumblingberry | May 8, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives..."

Precisely the reason why the Tea Party won't appeal to, say, 82% of Americans.

Posted by: jimsillan | May 8, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

With Bennett out that leaves two Gay Republicans to duke it out.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 8, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Incidentally Bennett is too late to register and run as an Independent

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 8, 2010 7:25 PM


Bennet can't run as an independent. Utah law prohibits a candidate already certified by one party to switch and run in another party. He could be a write-in, but that's about it.


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14913818

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that intelligent people become bullies when their views are not accepted.
Rational explanations, and no soundbites, will go along way. If you recognize yourself in this response, do something about it. I am tired of the nah, nah, nah comments!

Posted by: janetal2004gmailcom | May 8, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

'that is why after 2012 there will be a true sea change such what you think of as moderate will be ultra left. when we get rid of the 20MM illegals and hollywood falls apart as they just did over southpark issue, the 14% of you who control 90% of the national dialogue will be nothing but a bad, bad memory.'

delusional

Posted by: jimsillan | May 8, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful - let the corrupt right kill its own.

Posted by: Freethotlib | May 8, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Liberal Asks: What does the US Constitution mean?

TeaBagger Responds: That's all about our gun rights.

Liberal Says: OK Pothole!

Posted by: Maddogg | May 8, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

It's really too bad that Bennett lost. He was very valuable to Utah. Now they'll get some far right nut job who will be minmized in the Senate and shoved back into some meaningless committee. He'll be non-responsive to the needs of Utah and when it comes time to make the right decision will be incapable of doing so. Again, this is why I don't vote for the GOP anymore.

Posted by: am1968 | May 8, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Well Said
"TARP is one of the reasons we are not standing in bread lines you fools"

I would add two comments to that sentiment:
1. It was enacted by Bush and Paulson, apparently Rs forget that;
2. Rs never would have gone along with it and the world economy would have just been allowed to implode had it been a D POTUS-apparently the TeaBaggers would have been quite comfortable with that scenario.
which brings me back to:
"TARP is the one reason we are not all in bread lines/soup kitchens/pushing grocery carts, living in Hoovervilles" And as john mentioned, the fed govt is receiving a net profit on that god awful TARP something else Rs now refuse to acknowledge.

Incidentally Bennett is too late to register and run as an Independent, the deadline was in March so he will not be following Lieberman or Crist.

Curious how truly independent voters (nonTeaPartiers) view this?


Posted by: leichtman1 | May 8, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"raymeo,

"We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives..."

Tim McV is a martyr.
Blood has to flow, right? Right?

Posted by: shrink2 | May 8, 2010 6:35 PM"
____________

The fact that the baggers actually celebrated the anniversary of Tim McVeigh's act of domestic terrorism tells me all I need to know about those bigoted. ultraviolent mentals.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 8, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

suzyccup--you represent your t-bagger party well, you are rude, nasty, mean, STUPID, and a jackass.

Posted by: dematheart | May 8, 2010 7:17 PM


That's a compliment coming from an idiot liberal like you. Thank you.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how many of you forget that that the glorious years of Reagan were FINANCED BY DEFICIT SPENDING!!! REAGAN INVENTED THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT!!! Can you read that? Do you comprehend that? I could repeat it, but experience tells me that you people are impervious to facts.

Posted by: st50taw | May 8, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse
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It's amazing how many like st50taw choose to forget that the U.S. House, where all federal spending originates, was controlled by Tip O'Neil and the Democrats while Reagan was in office. Without the help and complicity of House Democrats, none of Reagan's budgets could have become law.

Posted by: infuse | May 8, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Lest anyone say that the Tea Party is bought and paid for by the Republican establishment, look to Bennett for proof otherwise. Lest anyone think that fiscal responsibility is not the most important issue to Tea Partiers, pay attention to Utah.

Bennett was too much a pork politician, and as conservative as he was, his pork appropriations and TARP vote killed him. Voters didn't like the vote, and now they are holding the politician responsible. Hello, Democracy!

Posted by: blert | May 8, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

...experience tells me that you people are impervious to facts.

Posted by: st50taw | May 8, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

No, we're just impervious to idiot liberals like you.

Posted by: SuzyCcup
^^^^^^^^^^^^

suzyccup--you represent your t-bagger party well, you are rude, nasty, mean, STUPID, and a jackass.

Posted by: dematheart | May 8, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I've also read that President Obama is going to take away our guns. What BS! I have a house full of guns---pistols, rifles, and shotguns. I have never been concerned for one second that he will take away my guns. How do you think he's going to do that??!!??

Posted by: gcstone | May 8, 2010 7:11 PM

Do you have one of these guns? I hear they're a favorite of liberals.

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/Garnet92/Liberalgun.jpg

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

"THIS OLD HACK IS THE SECOND AFTER CRIST TO GO. JOHN MCCAIN WILL BE NEXT I HOPE AS THE GOP CLEANS OUT ITS MUSTY OLD RINOS ALL OVER AMERICA."

Bennett is the third to go. Arlen Specter was ahead of both Crist and Bennett as the GOP further tightens the noose around its own neck.

Posted by: sthomas1957 | May 8, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

what's amazing here is all the spineless moderates and zealot jihad liberals who think that 1) their opinion on a Republican primary is germane and 2) that their idea of common sense and main stream americ reflects anything but the light from their warped prisms

that is why after 2012 there will be a true sea change such what you think of as moderate will be ultra left. when we get rid of the 20MM illegals and hollywood falls apart as they just did over southpark issue, the 14% of you who control 90% of the national dialogue will be nothing but a bad, bad memory.

the polictics of a 14 year old girl conjoined with the hippie mentality these last 50 years has just about ruined 'the great experiement'

Posted by: laughing_at_dems | May 8, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse


I keep reading moronic posts that say America is going to become like Russia or America will become like the USSR, or America will become like Hitler's Germany. Or, America is a socialist/communist nation! What pure BS! The right wing nuts can tell you fools anything and you soak it up like a sponge. America is not going to become like Russia, or like the USSR, or like Nazi Germany, nor is America a socialist/communist state. What pure BS. If the Republicans or Tea Party idiots take that silly crap to the polls in the November, they're already defeated.

I've also read that President Obama is going to take away our guns. What BS! I have a house full of guns---pistols, rifles, and shotguns. I have never been concerned for one second that he will take away my guns. How do you think he's going to do that??!!?? What BS! The only piece of legislation Obama has signed that was concerned with guns was the rider attached to the Stimulus Package, namely, loaded firearms may be taken into our National Parks. That rider was attached to the Stimulus Package by an Oklahoma senator who wanted to use it as a means to cause the anti-gun lobby people to turn against Obama in the event he signed the Stimulus Package. The President could choose to sign the Stimulus Package and start turning the economy around or not sign it, keep the anti-gun lobby people happy, and doom the Republic to a horrible economic depression. I'm pleased to say he signed the Stimulus bill, even though I am completely opposed to carrying loaded firearms into our National Parks!

Then, there is the unmitigated BS that the Stimulus Package should never have been signed. I have yet to hear one person who argues that the Stimulus Package should not have been signed to tell me what would have happened had it not been signed. The financial markets were collapsing in November 2008 when TARP was signed. Had President Bush not have signed TARP and later President Obama had not signed the Stimulus Bill, the USA would be in world-wide economic nightmare right now. Every major industrialized country in the world poured billions into the financial markets to demonstrate to investors that world governments were going to support the market system and not allow it to collapse. Today, the markets have turned around, jobs are coming back, the recession seems to ending and we're on the correct road out of this mess. What would you anti-Bush and anti-Obama people have done that those two presidents didn't do? Tell me, and then tell me the consequences of your actions. What would have happened to the financial markets--if your policies had been put into place? Don't give me some moronic post like "socialist/communist" I want to knonw why you are opposed to the Stimulus Package, and then tell me what the consequences would have been had TARP and the Stimulus Bill not been signed.



Posted by: gcstone | May 8, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's give Bennett a GM car for a consolation prize. Throw in a few illegals to mow his lawn for a year.

We don't want him to leave with a bad taste in his mouth.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Joseph Stack and the enemy combatant Timothy McVeigh are typical unsung heroes of the Tea Party, not the Ronald Reagan of the former Republican Party. If you don't like big government, just blow up a building. Or drive a plane into one. Sound familiar?

Posted by: jimsillan | May 8, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

LET THE REAGAN REVOLITION BEGIN AGAIN!! THIS OLD HACK IS THE SECOND AFTER CRIST TO GO. JOHN MCCAIN WILL BE NEXT I HOPE AS THE GOP CLEANS OUT ITS MUSTY OLD RINOS ALL OVER AMERICA. CONGRATS TO THE TEA PARTY TROOPS WHOSE WORK IS BEGINNING TO SHOW REAL RESULTS. WHAT A GLORIOUS DAY THIS HAS BEEN!!

Posted by: cdorbg | May 8, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Make no mistake, it wasn’t merely TARP. Senator Bennett has the worst voting record of all Utah-Washington, D.C. representatives regarding legal and illegal immigration issues.

Posted by: Oscairo | May 8, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse


Let the last moderate to leave the republican party turn out the lights.

Posted by: forrest3 | May 8, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Make no mistake, it wasn’t merely TARP. Senator Bennett has the worst voting record of all Utah-Washington, D.C. representatives regarding legal and illegal immigration issues. The majority of Utahan's feel we must "do the job the federal government is unwilling to do," much like Arizona.

Posted by: Oscairo | May 8, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Hooray, hooray, for Utah!

AND HOORAY FOR THE NEW WHIG PARTY!

PARTY ON GARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: printthis | May 8, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Part of the equation is fact: election by tantrum is possible. The second part is speculation: can we be governed by tantrum?

Posted by: Socrates2 | May 8, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

...experience tells me that you people are impervious to facts.

Posted by: st50taw | May 8, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

No, we're just impervious to idiot liberals like you.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Hooray, hooray, for Utah! Not only did Bennett vote for TARP, but he also voted for the immigration bill in 2007. He needed to go.

Florida already hit the delete key on another phony republican, Charlie Crist. Utah just did the same to Bennett.

Go Mike Lee!

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 8, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how many of you forget that that the glorious years of Reagan were FINANCED BY DEFICIT SPENDING!!! REAGAN INVENTED THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT!!! Can you read that? Do you comprehend that? I could repeat it, but experience tells me that you people are impervious to facts.

Posted by: st50taw | May 8, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse
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It's amazing how many like st50taw choose to forget that the U.S. House, where all federal spending originates, was controlled by Tip O'Neil and the Democrats while Reagan was in office. Without the help and complicity of House Democrats, none of Reagan's budgets could have become law.

Posted by: infuse | May 8, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

A Tea Party candidate replacing an incumbent in the Utah GOP primary process may end up with the same result as an upperstate New York congressional race - a Republican defeat.

Posted by: LiveFree | May 8, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: raymeo | May 8, 2010 6:28 PM

Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic.

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Well, that's great news! You'll all break into pieces, melt into the ocean, and never be seen again.

Posted by: Bob22003 | May 8, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic. You only see about 10% of us. I have not attended a single Tea Party event, but you can bet your socks I will be voting the same way they will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary for Rand Paul, versus the establishment candidate Trey Grayson. We are sick and tired of fake Republican conservatives. We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representativesk, and we certainoly want to overthrow Democrats, liberal or conservative. We want to cripple Obama for the last two years of his single terms as POTUS. He is a literal ba$tard, a liar, a fake, a phony, a socialist, a Kenyan or Indonesian Muslim, not a bona fide American citizen. His early schooling was in a Muslim school. Think about it. We want to cripploe him, then depose him in 2012, and I believe we will do so. Those of us you don't see active publicly in the Tea Party movement are here none the less, and we vote, and we donate money to candidates like Rand Paul in Kentucky. We are the future. I hope we can fully reverse every single Obama initiative beginning 2012, to return America to the glorious yesteryear of Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: raymeo
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It's amazing how many of you forget that that the glorious years of Reagan were FINANCED BY DEFICIT SPENDING!!! REAGAN INVENTED THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT!!! Can you read that? Do you comprehend that? I could repeat it, but experience tells me that you people are impervious to facts.

Posted by: st50taw | May 8, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Say it again, Raymeo. I missed it the first 15 times.

Posted by: Brigade | May 8, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"Gotta wonder about that system out there...do the voters actually get to vote at some point on who the nominee or is it just koo-koo nut insiders? I'd run as a write-in if I were him just to screw the GOP kook nominee!

Posted by: jeffcoud2"

They get to vote between Lee and Bridgewater since neither of them got 60% of the vote.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 8, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

The tea bag movement is the best thing to happen for the Democrats since the 2008 election. Folks 1950 is gone and will not return.

The tea bag movement favors eliminating medicare, social security and health care reform. Tell the truth and run on those issues. Bennett will be the Republican's Lieberman.

The tea bag movement will be constipation in a goose for the Republican Party in November.

Posted by: COWENS99 | May 8, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

raymeo,

"We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives..."

Tim McV is a martyr.
Blood has to flow, right? Right?

Posted by: shrink2 | May 8, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

raymeo wrote "Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic. You only see about 10% of us. I have not attended a single Tea Party event, but you can bet your socks I will be voting the same way they will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary for Rand Paul, versus the establishment candidate Trey Grayson. We are sick and tired of fake Republican conservatives. We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representativesk, and we certainoly want to overthrow Democrats, liberal or conservative. We want to cripple Obama for the last two years of his single terms as POTUS. He is a literal ba$tard, a liar, a fake, a phony, a socialist, a Kenyan or Indonesian Muslim, not a bona fide American citizen. His early schooling was in a Muslim school. Think about it. We want to cripploe him, then depose him in 2012, and I believe we will do so. Those of us you don't see active publicly in the Tea Party movement are here none the less, and we vote, and we donate money to candidates like Rand Paul in Kentucky. We are the future. I hope we can fully reverse every single Obama initiative beginning 2012, to return America to the glorious yesteryear of Ronald Reagan."

The tea party movement, a movement built on fear and racism.

Posted by: samf911 | May 8, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Look closely d-crat socialists: bennett was a true porker that lavished earmarks on his pals and voted for the outrageous bailout. Like bennett, the same fate awaits each and every one of you irresponsible spendthrifts. Responsible Americans will take back our country - and that will be change we can really believe in!

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot
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You are going to be SO disappointed. There will never be a Tea Party-friendly majority in Congress. It's simply statistically impossible for there to be that many boneheaded voters.

Even if if you did get a majority, you would quickly discover that the national debt will never be eliminated by spending cuts alone. You will find out that the government performs functions that a lot of people value and depend on. You may well be among them. Saving only those programs that you personally approve of will not happen. Either everything must be on the chopping block, or nothing will make to the chopping block. Every buck the government spends has a constituency.

You are bigger Utopians than any socialists. You are also dinosaurs.

If you truly want to cut spending, you will first have to raise taxes high enough to balance the budget. ONLY when people discover what it costs them personally to receive the services from government that they have come to expect will they ever be in a mood to give any of them up.

Posted by: st50taw | May 8, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic. You only see about 10% of us. I have not attended a single Tea Party event, but you can bet your socks I will be voting the same way they will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary for Rand Paul, versus the establishment candidate Trey Grayson. We are sick and tired of fake Republican conservatives. We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representativesk, and we certainoly want to overthrow Democrats, liberal or conservative. We want to cripple Obama for the last two years of his single terms as POTUS. He is a literal ba$tard, a liar, a fake, a phony, a socialist, a Kenyan or Indonesian Muslim, not a bona fide American citizen. His early schooling was in a Muslim school. Think about it. We want to cripploe him, then depose him in 2012, and I believe we will do so. Those of us you don't see active publicly in the Tea Party movement are here none the less, and we vote, and we donate money to candidates like Rand Paul in Kentucky. We are the future. I hope we can fully reverse every single Obama initiative beginning 2012, to return America to the glorious yesteryear of Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: raymeo | May 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic. You only see about 10% of us. I have not attended a single Tea Party event, but you can bet your socks I will be voting the same way they will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary for Rand Paul, versus the establishment candidate Trey Grayson. We are sick and tired of fake Republican conservatives. We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representativesk, and we certainoly want to overthrow Democrats, liberal or conservative. We want to cripple Obama for the last two years of his single terms as POTUS. He is a literal ba$tard, a liar, a fake, a phony, a socialist, a Kenyan or Indonesian Muslim, not a bona fide American citizen. His early schooling was in a Muslim school. Think about it. We want to cripploe him, then depose him in 2012, and I believe we will do so. Those of us you don't see active publicly in the Tea Party movement are here none the less, and we vote, and we donate money to candidates like Rand Paul in Kentucky. We are the future. I hope we can fully reverse every single Obama initiative beginning 2012, to return America to the glorious yesteryear of Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: raymeo | May 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic. You only see about 10% of us. I have not attended a single Tea Party event, but you can bet your socks I will be voting the same way they will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary for Rand Paul, versus the establishment candidate Trey Grayson. We are sick and tired of fake Republican conservatives. We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representativesk, and we certainoly want to overthrow Democrats, liberal or conservative. We want to cripple Obama for the last two years of his single terms as POTUS. He is a literal ba$tard, a liar, a fake, a phony, a socialist, a Kenyan or Indonesian Muslim, not a bona fide American citizen. His early schooling was in a Muslim school. Think about it. We want to cripploe him, then depose him in 2012, and I believe we will do so. Those of us you don't see active publicly in the Tea Party movement are here none the less, and we vote, and we donate money to candidates like Rand Paul in Kentucky. We are the future. I hope we can fully reverse every single Obama initiative beginning 2012, to return America to the glorious yesteryear of Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: raymeo | May 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic. You only see about 10% of us. I have not attended a single Tea Party event, but you can bet your socks I will be voting the same way they will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary for Rand Paul, versus the establishment candidate Trey Grayson. We are sick and tired of fake Republican conservatives. We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representativesk, and we certainoly want to overthrow Democrats, liberal or conservative. We want to cripple Obama for the last two years of his single terms as POTUS. He is a literal ba$tard, a liar, a fake, a phony, a socialist, a Kenyan or Indonesian Muslim, not a bona fide American citizen. His early schooling was in a Muslim school. Think about it. We want to cripploe him, then depose him in 2012, and I believe we will do so. Those of us you don't see active publicly in the Tea Party movement are here none the less, and we vote, and we donate money to candidates like Rand Paul in Kentucky. We are the future. I hope we can fully reverse every single Obama initiative beginning 2012, to return America to the glorious yesteryear of Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: raymeo | May 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic. You only see about 10% of us. I have not attended a single Tea Party event, but you can bet your socks I will be voting the same way they will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary for Rand Paul, versus the establishment candidate Trey Grayson. We are sick and tired of fake Republican conservatives. We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representativesk, and we certainoly want to overthrow Democrats, liberal or conservative. We want to cripple Obama for the last two years of his single terms as POTUS. He is a literal ba$tard, a liar, a fake, a phony, a socialist, a Kenyan or Indonesian Muslim, not a bona fide American citizen. His early schooling was in a Muslim school. Think about it. We want to cripploe him, then depose him in 2012, and I believe we will do so. Those of us you don't see active publicly in the Tea Party movement are here none the less, and we vote, and we donate money to candidates like Rand Paul in Kentucky. We are the future. I hope we can fully reverse every single Obama initiative beginning 2012, to return America to the glorious yesteryear of Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: raymeo | May 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic. You only see about 10% of us. I have not attended a single Tea Party event, but you can bet your socks I will be voting the same way they will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary for Rand Paul, versus the establishment candidate Trey Grayson. We are sick and tired of fake Republican conservatives. We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representativesk, and we certainoly want to overthrow Democrats, liberal or conservative. We want to cripple Obama for the last two years of his single terms as POTUS. He is a literal ba$tard, a liar, a fake, a phony, a socialist, a Kenyan or Indonesian Muslim, not a bona fide American citizen. His early schooling was in a Muslim school. Think about it. We want to cripploe him, then depose him in 2012, and I believe we will do so. Those of us you don't see active publicly in the Tea Party movement are here none the less, and we vote, and we donate money to candidates like Rand Paul in Kentucky. We are the future. I hope we can fully reverse every single Obama initiative beginning 2012, to return America to the glorious yesteryear of Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: raymeo | May 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Some of you see the visible members of the Tea Party movement and say it is not significant. Well, we are like the iceberg hit by the Titanic. You only see about 10% of us. I have not attended a single Tea Party event, but you can bet your socks I will be voting the same way they will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary for Rand Paul, versus the establishment candidate Trey Grayson. We are sick and tired of fake Republican conservatives. We want real blood and guts ultraconservative representatives in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representativesk, and we certainoly want to overthrow Democrats, liberal or conservative. We want to cripple Obama for the last two years of his single terms as POTUS. He is a literal ba$tard, a liar, a fake, a phony, a socialist, a Kenyan or Indonesian Muslim, not a bona fide American citizen. His early schooling was in a Muslim school. Think about it. We want to cripploe him, then depose him in 2012, and I believe we will do so. Those of us you don't see active publicly in the Tea Party movement are here none the less, and we vote, and we donate money to candidates like Rand Paul in Kentucky. We are the future. I hope we can fully reverse every single Obama initiative beginning 2012, to return America to the glorious yesteryear of Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: raymeo | May 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The oil disastr will not stop anytime soon. That Wild Well Control Inc. thing seemed pretty ridiculous. If it were a serious prospect, maybe they would have had one or two ready made.

But is there any way being conservative and being serious about alternatives to oil could come together? Not as an idea, but as a political sea (ouch) change?

No. Not in our lifetime.
The Reagan Revolution is triumphant.
Industry regulates government.

You Capitalism = God's Will people,
come forward now, get on your knees
and pray.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

>> In his speech after coming third in the first round, Bennett pleaded for delegates to consider which candidate had the most influence in Washington.

"Don't take a chance on a newcomer," said Bennett. "There's too much at stake."

This is what every incumbent seys in any contested election. When does it ever work?

Posted by: ps1231 | May 8, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

And, the snake devoured it's tail. Bennett was and is a conservative. Even with the Bennett loss today, there is no doubt a Republican will be elected in Utah to fill the Senate seat. However, there is a point that the stupidity of the intra-Republican fights will result in the party imploding.

Posted by: merrylees | May 8, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

TARP is one of the reasons we are not standing in bread lines you fools. Sure, it p iisses me off to have to loan gambling addicts a front to get them out of their hole, but there was not a better solution. And as an important side note, the TARP was dished out not as hand outs, but as loans, almost all of which have laready been paid back. It ended up costing taxpayers very little net, and when all is said and done the treasury may actually make a few bucks with stock sales and interest.

So ousting bennett because he saved you from eating in a soup kitchen for the next five years is pretty f ing stupid.

But we would expect nothing less from extremist conservatives.

Posted by: John1263 | May 8, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Your belief that the national organization Club for Growth led the march against Senator Bennett in Utah is absolutely incorrect. The vast majority of Utah conservatives, including Tea Partiers and 9/12 groups, has long held that Senator Bennett's time to step down was now.

If anything, the widely held disdain for the Club for Growth "attack Bennett" negative ads actually created sympathy for and helped Senator Bennett.

Posted by: uvbogden | May 8, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Look closely d-crat socialists: bennett was a true porker that lavished earmarks on his pals and voted for the outrageous bailout. Like bennett, the same fate awaits each and every one of you irresponsible spendthrifts. Responsible Americans will take back our country - and that will be change we can really believe in!

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | May 8, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Bought 'n sold by business and the illegal alien lobby..............looks like some conservatives have caught on to his game.

The goal:

NO ILLEGALS. NONE. CATCH AND DEPORT. IF NECESSARY TO CONTROL THE BORDER, DECLARE WAR ON MEXICO.

Posted by: rusty3 | May 8, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

This country is so far tilted right that a true conservative like bennet gets labeled a RINO. ronnie reagan would be drummed out of the republicon party today in a second. If the people of Utah have an ounce of sense they'll write in bennett or vote Democrat.

Posted by: John1263 | May 8, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Isn't the DC Club for Growth also known as the "DC Club for Financial Deregulation Disaster which led to TARP in the First Place".

The tea party just got snookered into voting for the guy supported by the people who caused the mess their infuriated about. Idiots.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | May 8, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Incidentally, National Journal rated Bennett the 23rd most Conservative member of the Senate. This is probably too liberal for a state as conservative as Utah.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 8, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Bennet will now do a Joe Lieberman.

Charlie Crist move look better as each day passes.

Posted by: samf911 | May 8, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Bennett could never with in this situation because HE has maintained a sense of realism. Do you think it was EASY to vote on TARP? For a rock solid elephant to vote for it must have hurt. Bush, well, he was outta there in a few months and could care less...

Posted by: atroncale1 | May 8, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I love how the liberals come in to stories like this and talk about conservatives taking the Republican Party to the RIGHT when those jerks in the Democrat Party have advanced so far LEFT as to make the party of JFK and even Bill Clinton and the DFL NON-EXISTENT!

Worry about your own damn party and WE will take care of bringing the Country back to the RIGHT!!

Posted by: Jaded2 | May 8, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

If dumpbama's ignorant posting and spelling are any indications of the intelligence of Tbaggers, then the country has a world of hurt coming.

Posted by: arancia12 | May 8, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The "tea party" is not a political party. The so called party has no legal existence as such. Those who gather under this banner are a group of insurgents, members of a section of a political party who revolt against the methods or policies of the Republican Party. Since this particular group of insurgents come from Utah, they are basically persons who advocate secession from the United States and/or dismantling the U.S. Constitution.

Posted by: marrobcastle | May 8, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

B Bear 1,

I live in Illinois and we are not allowed to vote on our nominees for political office.

Roland Burris was picked by the insiders without a vote to serve in the United States Senate.

Shiela Simon was nominated for Lieutenant Governor without a vote.

It appears that Alexi Giannoulius will be forced out and the insiders will chose his replacement as the Democratic nominee for the United States Senate.

This is democracy in Illinois as the Democrats view it!

Posted by: mwhoke | May 8, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Gotta wonder about that system out there...do the voters actually get to vote at some point on who the nominee or is it just koo-koo nut insiders? I'd run as a write-in if I were him just to screw the GOP kook nominee!

Posted by: jeffcoud2 | May 8, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

So a DC organization decided who Utah should vote for. How different is that than having DC politicians tell Utah who they should vote for.

Either way, Utah voters don't seem to be able to decide on their own who to vote for and are manipulated by outside organizations.

Posted by: arancia12 | May 8, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse


Thank the Lord this Dope is gonzo!

Yahoo 'T' Party!

The SLAUGHTER of the ReBOOBlican BUMS has begun!

Hey! Deem-n-rats.....we're comin' for U 2.

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Posted by: dumpbama | May 8, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Bennett co-sponsored a bipartisan health reform package that would have required individuals to buy insurance.

By this, Utah proves that the slug in the White House's Big Insurance Big Pharma insurance scam will unseat incumbents this Nov. as the slug's insurance scam mandates that all Americans "buy insurance".

Posted by: kwoods2 | May 8, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Chris, I really doubt that the third ballot is necessarily the final one. You better check your convention rules. If it is, then it's the first time I've ever heard of a three ballot limit. I've seen conventions go 13 or more ballots.

Posted by: Truthteller12 | May 8, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Sweet Irony. This guy has been a dim bulb for a long time. Hard to the believe the Republicans found some one dimmer.

It's bottom of the barrel time!

Posted by: sufi66 | May 8, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Bennett was for Chain Migration and an ILLEGAL ALIEN lover.

That's one reason he got the boot.

He won't be missed

Posted by: rcubedkc | May 8, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I know immigration was a big issue in that campaign. Bennett was really bad according to a lot of groups who care about that. Even Minuteman Project founder Jim Gilchrist came to Utah to endorse that Bridgewater guy.

Posted by: sludge69 | May 8, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse


Bye Bye !!!!!!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 8, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Chris, I really doubt that the third ballot in necessarily the final one. You better check your convention rules. If it is, then it's the first time I've ever heard of a three ballot limit. I've seen conventions go 13 or more ballots.

Posted by: Truthteller12 | May 8, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The message is clear: The Republican base has had it with these Republicans who talk like hardline conservatives, but vote with the liberals. That TARP vote is a litmus test.

Posted by: edwardallen54 | May 8, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to the idea of open primary elections where voters pick nominees? Guess, that's just to revolutionary for Utah Republicans.

Posted by: BBear1 | May 8, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

And the purge continues!

Posted by: samf911 | May 8, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The lunatic fringe has become the Republican Party's center. The more the GOP trends right, the deeper its estrangement from majority Americans of all parties.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | May 8, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I shake my head at the way the republican party is going.
They are infantile and emotionally immature.
It would be nice to see an opposition party made up of grown ups with a bit common sense. But, it seems the republicans are determined to push themselves so far right they simply push everyone out because no one can be rightwing enough.

Posted by: vwcat | May 8, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Conventional wisdom said he'd finish second and then win the run-off. So much for CW. :) Bennett, bagger victim.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 8, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

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