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What can (and should) Charlie Crist do?



Florida Gov. Charlie Crist continues to twist in the political wind.

Updated, 4:56 pm
The news -- broken by former Fix colleague Mark Preston -- that the National Republican Senatorial Committee believes there is "zero chance" that Charlie Crist continues on in the Republican primary for Senate is (yet more) evidence that the Florida governor's political fate is rapidly spiraling out of control.

The NRSC statement comes on the heels of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's endorsement of Rubio over the weekend and just days after former Sen. Connie Mack resigned as campaign chairman following Crist's veto of an education reform bill last week.

That series of developments had made guessing what Crist will do next all the rage in political circles in Washington and Florida. Here's our assessment of Crist's options -- ranked from most likely he choose to follow it to the least likely:

* Run for Senate as an independent: If Crist wants to be in the Senate next January, running as an independent -- or as a "no party affiliation" candidate -- is his best (and perhaps only) bet. A recent Quinnipiac poll showed Crist leading a three-way race running as an independent while trailing former state House Speaker Marco Rubio by 20+ points in a Republican primary matchup. And, in an interview today with a Florida television station, Crist appeared to open the door far wider than he previously had on the possibility of an independent run. "I can tell you I'm getting a lot of advice in that direction," Crist told ABC Action News. "I'm a listener and so I'm certainly listening to it." There is a short term and a long term problem for Crist if he decides to run as an independent, however. In the short term, he will be a man without a country -- politically speaking -- struggling to keep together a fragile coalition of independents and loosely affiliated Democrats and Republicans while simultaneously trying to raise enough money to be competitive on television in the final weeks of the race. In the long term, running for president almost certainly forecloses the possibility that Crist will appear on the Republican national ticket. (NBC's Chuck Todd disagrees with us on that point -- arguing that if Crist's only chance to be president now would be as an independent.)

* Drop out, retire as governor, run in 2012: Crist could step aside from the Senate race, serve out his gubernatorial term through the end of the year and immediately begin rehabbing his image and consolidating support to emerge as the preferred GOP candidate to run against Sen. Bill Nelson (D) in 2012. There is one major hurdle to that scenario, and that hurdle is named Sen. George Lemieux. Lemieux, Crist's longtime political lieutenant, is widely expected to immediately transition into a 2012 candidacy once his term -- to which he was appointed by Crist -- ends later this year. Would Lemieux shelve those plans to make way for Crist? Um.....maybe?

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* Drop out, run for re-election as governor: Crist has until April 30 to file for an office (any office!). And, as the sitting governor, he could -- theoretically -- announce he has decided that being governor was the right job for him and that he will seek re-election in the fall. The problem? State Attorney General Bill McCollum among others have been running for the Republican gubernatorial nod for months -- years in McCollum's case -- and aren't likely to simply step aside because Crist's Senate candidacy has flagged. And, it remains to be seen how badly damaged Crist's image is among Republican voters -- no matter what office he seeks. The Q poll showed 49 percent of Republicans expressing a favorable opinion of Crist while 43 percent said they saw the governor in an unfavorable light -- not exactly great ratings. Could he turn his image around with Republicans in time for what would almost certainly be a real primary fight on Aug. 24?

* Stay in the Republican Senate primary: The Real Clear Politics polling average in the Crist-Rubio primary shows the former state House Speaker with an average lead of nearly 23 points. Those numbers are daunting -- to say the least. Does that mean Crist couldn't win the primary? No. Anything is possible in politics. But, the last few weeks have to be concerning for Crist allies who want him to stay in the Senate race as a Republican. He scored a clean hit on Rubio over the former legislator's use of a state party credit card for personal use. And yet, Rubio just kept rising in the polls. That episode suggests that Crist is viewed as a flawed messenger by Republican primary voters and, as a result, nothing he says about Rubio will be persuasive to voters. And, if that's the case, the primary is genuinely unwinnable.

* Retire from politics: It's possible that the last five months (or so) have been so searing for Crist that he decides to step away from the political game for the foreseeable future. But, Crist is the ultimate political animal; he first ran -- unsuccessfully for state Senate in 1986 -- and has been state education commissioner, state attorney general and governor all in the space of the last decade. This is someone who as recently as five or six months ago saw his political career ending in the White House. For people like Crist who have caught the political bug badly, there is no life separate from life in politics. (See Spitzer, Elliot.) As a result, it's hard to imagine Crist, who is only 54, stepping away from politics permanently or even semi-permanently.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 19, 2010; 2:43 PM ET
Categories:  Senate  | Tags: Bill McCollum, Charlie Crist, Republican, United States Senate  
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Since everything else has been said about Charlie Crist today, let me just say: Look at that picture of him. Best tan this side of George Hamilton.

Charlie, you look mahvelous!

Posted by: dognabbit | April 20, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I think Crist's best options are run for re-election as Governor as an independent, run US Senate as an independent or run for re-election as governor as a Republican. In my opinion at this point, I think Crist's best option is to run for US Senate as an independent. Why? Because Alex Sink is a much better candidate than Kendrick Meek. As an independent, Crist could siphon enough democratic votes away from Meek combined with Republican votes he gets from Rubio and win a majority of independents in Florida and win the election. This race is very winnable for Crist in the GE, but the Republican primary is all but lost.

Posted by: reason5 | April 20, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

37th and O wrote:

"The problem is NOT people showing up in a park during the day with guns - which is legal.


The problem IS blacks in the inner city SHOOTING PEOPLE -


Which happened 7 times YESTERDAY in Chicago alone.


It happened 19 times in Chicago on Thursdays.


In in Washington, across the river from that park, a few weeks ago, 9 people were shot with 4 dead.


I would say the PROBLEM IS BLACK VIOLENCE."

Statistics don't bear out your conclusion

As of 2008, a statistics report which surveyed all persons arrested for offending, stated that of the crimes surveyed for which the identity of the offender could be determined, 69.2 percent of all persons arrested were white or Hispanic, 28.3 percent of people arrested for offending were black or black and Hispanic; and the remaining 2.4 percent were of other races

Posted by: chet_brewer | April 20, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

If Christ drops out he likely has no future in electoral politics unless the right wing of the Republican Party collapses, which isn't likely to happen in the near future. He'll run into the same problem in any R primary: movement conservatives who can paint him as a RINO.

The RNC chair job would be a good fit for him once the Rs figure out how to dump the incumbent. However, that likely only happens if Romney is the nominee in 2012. If the social conservatives or neo-cons are running the party, they'll likely want one of their own in charge of the RNC.

Crist's only chance for political relevance at this point is to run for the Senate and wins as an independent. Nothing succeeds like success. He'd be able to parley with Republicans to bolster their numbers but if they become too annoying he can go work with the Ds. He would be free, for at least six years, to be himself.

He should go for it. If he's going to go down, he should go down swinging. But given Florida's demographics he stands a better than even chance of winning.

Posted by: Gallenod | April 20, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Whether the GOP likes it or not, Charlie Crist is still a popular governor with nearly everyone outside of the far-right and the far-left. He is a moderate in a period where voters want someone who will buck the extremes of the political landscape. He would absolutely beat Marco Rubio in a general and probably defeat Meek in a three-way as well.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | April 20, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

It must suck to be a liberal Democrat right now. Not only will they lose the House (and possibly the Senate), it's that conservative ideology is surging. Can't wait for the WaPo articles this November analyzing "the death of liberalism".

Posted by: johnhiggins1990 | April 20, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

" . . . the possibility that Crist will appear on the Republican national ticket."

Earth to Cillizza: Given that two men (named Jason Wetherington and Bruce Jordan, BTW) are known to have claimed sexual relationships with Crist, how is this going to happen?

Posted by: misterjrthed | April 20, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I think Crist's first priority should be getting that chronic hepatitis of his under control. The permanent jaundice is really offputting.

Posted by: OttoDog | April 20, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Nope. Not beck. Nytimes. Of course most of us could tell before.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 20, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I just think it's cute how they all of a sudden decided that a college education is meaningful.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 20, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

"No plan whatsoever in Iran. None. Zero."

If you are privy to this information, then I must assume that you've been present at all of Obama's cabinet meetings, national security briefings, and have extensive training in international politics.

Nah, you probably just watch too much Glenn Beck.

Posted by: menaman | April 20, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

No plan whatsoever in Iran. None. Zero.

Since obambi is busy playing golf I will offer a few ideas he would like:

hope china helps out

hope Russia comes around

bow and scrape

deadlines

surrender

a speech

a summit

raise taxes.

Ask Nancy

wait another year

Posted by: Moonbat | April 19, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Easy path to blog hits:

1. Mention how popular and succesful Sarah palin is

2. Try to get the moonbats to speculate on who'd they like banned from the site for failure to participate properly in the liberal mutual admiration society

3. Admit tea partiers are smarter than liberals

Posted by: Moonbat | April 19, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

No worries, BB.

I'm just taken back to this doozy..

"All,

I've been busy writing and reporting and not as active in comments section. Please send me any offending comments so we can get rid of bad actors.

Thanks,
Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | April 16, 2010 5:37 PM"

I guess it's not technically a lie since he didn't actually make a declaration that he personally would do anything.

But man, that is f*cking sleazy.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 19, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


I have given you ample opportunity to defend your position - so I have to take your position is that you have realized I am right on all the points.


You ask for other posters to post in a certain way - however - I have to deal with the unrestrained activity of broadwayjoe, ddawd, bodesan and the other crazy liberals.


So Im getting shot at from all sides - you try to tell me to be civilized - meanwhile I am being subjected to the vilest of attacks from broadwayjoe and crew.


I'm sorry that you have a horrible horrible administration to defend - one that has engaged in vile racist tactics - and once the issues are discussed, it is pretty clear that in American democracy, what Obama's attack machine has done is way out of bounds - and potentially a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.


I know you have to defend these assaults on Freedom of Speech by an administration that has made a series of stupid mistakes - based primarily on ego - and ego which has been bloated by affirmative action.


And that is just the problem - we have an affirmative action person in a job which he doesn't know what he is doing - he has never been called on to do much in his whole life - all he has done is go onto the next affirmative action program.


Thus when Obama reaches this point, all he knows is a racial world - one based on racial categories - therefore the Tea Party Movement must be racist because they do not agree with him.


Well - it comes down to racism on the part of the Obama attack machine.


That is all they've got - that is all you've got.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


From your comments, I have to take that you refuse to apply the same standards to broadwayjoe, ddawd and the other liberals.


So you agree with broadwayjoe - that based on the color of their skin, the Tea Party Movement is ALL a bunch of racists - not just a few -


In fact, you can tell that they are ALL racist "just by looking at their faces." Right ?


That is a quote from Colbert King by the way - the white faces tell him that they are racist.

Martin Luther King is spinning in his grave - he said "it is not the color of one's skin, but the content of one's character."


Martin Luther King would look at Obama's bipartisan commitments, his post-racial comments, and his promises for transparency - and look at Obama's performance - and Martin Luther King would be FURIOUS.


Martin Luther King would he HORRIFIED - THIS IS WHAT HE WORKED FOR ????


No he did not work for the Frauds of Obama - we all know what he stood for and what Obama stood for IS VASTLY DIFFERENT.


Where do you stand - with Martin Luther King or with the clowns calling the Tea Party Movement racists ????

Seriously - what is wrong with you - let's hear what you have to say.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD - Ignore Hormel. It'll be good for your blood pressure and raise his/its/theirs.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 19, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe writes:

Seriously, who but psychopathic idiots celebrates "Tim McVeigh Day" by showing up at national parks locked and loaded?


_____________________________________


The problem is NOT people showing up in a park during the day with guns - which is legal.


The problem IS blacks in the inner city SHOOTING PEOPLE -


Which happened 7 times YESTERDAY in Chicago alone.


It happened 19 times in Chicago on Thursdays.


In in Washington, across the river from that park, a few weeks ago, 9 people were shot with 4 dead.


I would say the PROBLEM IS BLACK VIOLENCE.


yet, you are hung up on sexual issues - with all your sexual slurs.


would you rather tell us why you are so upset with white people ??

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Like so many, Mr Christ has great presence and "likability", but no BACKBONE, going with the wind to make decisions.

Posted by: herbertfoley7 | April 19, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD


IT's true - the racial rhetoric of the democrats must be EXPOSED AND STOPPED.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

lol, this is still going on?

Cillizza is such a little b*tch, haha

Posted by: DDAWD | April 19, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

The democrats have been attacking the Tea Party Movement - almost none-stop for weeks now.


First - the democrats are looking to SMEAR the Tea Party Movement.


They are looking to SMEAR them based on the actions of a few - even if they are having difficulty finding that few.

And the smear goes to EVERY individual, regardless of any evidence. It is the very DEFINITION OF PREJUDICE - the judging of a group of people before you know them.


This is exactly what broadwayjoe does here everyday - BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR WHITE SKIN.


The democratic party - in attacking the Tea Party Movement - have done nothing but ATTACK THE TEA PARTY BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR WHITE SKIN.


THIS IS THE NEW RACISM OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

I guess the white democrats are the New Uncle Toms.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Of Course Crist could decide to pull down the whole pack of cards.

Out his former good buddies. Write an expose book of the real Florida GOP politics and the whole Florida "Scene"

Explain who was hiding in the Las Vegas closet when the FBI turned up to the Gay Orgy.

You OK in their Jeb?

Posted by: walker1 | April 19, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington Blade


You have got to be kidding - all broadwayjoe does is racial baiting.


You democrats really love to lie by twisting things around, huh ?


Your behavior is vile.


Why you may ask? Because you have never, ever applied any standard to any of broadwayjoe's comments.


It's just the other side that is wrong, right? So you support the use of sexual slurs to describe the Tea Party Movement - and the false charges of racism.


I suppose you also support broadwayjoe LASHING OUT HIS PERSONAL RACIAL HATRED on a daily basis on this blog.


Where do the false charges of racism stop?


And the smear goes to EVERY individual, regardless of any evidence. It is the very DEFINITION OF PREJUDICE - the judging of a group of people before you know them.


This is exactly what broadwayjoe does here everyday - BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR WHITE SKIN.


So, your comments mean you support this.


.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

SuzyCcup

I would recommend saying 10 - just to make sure.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Why does losing a primary mean you're being drummed out of the party? Was Hillary Clinton drummed out of the Democratic party?

Posted by: Brigade | April 19, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling the democratic party doesn't have long to go - they are going to be thrown out of office - and not come back.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:19 PM


37, I will say three Hail Mary's tonight that this happens.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | April 19, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Crist makes a good poster boy for Coppertone, but as a politician, he's a weasel. Rubio is a much better choice for senate in Florida.

Posted by: shangps | April 19, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Suzy


You can take it from here - these liberal clowns have been at it all day


There used to be some personal honor in public life - political leaders were respected.


Starting with Clinton, who refused to resign when caught red-handed - the democrats got the idea that they could do anything and say anything - and there would be no consequences.

The lies of the democrats - the FRAUD of Obama's campaign have been unbelievable.

The MAJOR PROBLEM is that in times past, you could have a conversation with a liberal - they were grounded in reality - and they could agree on certain things.

Now the liberals - all they do is repeat their lies and try to change reality by repeating their lies.


It is unbelievable.

I have a feeling the democratic party doesn't have long to go - they are going to be thrown out of office - and not come back.


The democrats are morally bankrupt -


They simply will not talk about their government programs which have led to the TRILLION DOLLAR deficit - the vast majority of that is DEMOCRATIC SPENDING - AND THE DEMOCRATS REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT IT.


All the democrats want to talk about is MORE TAXES AND MORE GOVERNMENT SPENDING

It is a a BETRAYAL OF PUBLIC TRUST TO DO THIS IN A RECESSION.


AND THEN ALL THEY DO IS CALL EVERYONE A RACIST.


THE DEMOCRATIC Party going to be voted out and it's not going to come back.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Crist should stay in the race as a Republican and stop the unsubstantiated negative campaign ads. If defeated, he should support Rubio. That would be the honorable thing to do and put him in a strong position to unseat the dismal Senator Nelson. However, I think he will place personal ambition first and run as an independent.

Posted by: hit4cycle | April 19, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse


broadwayjoe


Here we go again with the FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.


This is NOT what the promises of Post-racial American was supposed to bring.

YET THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO PREFER TO CONSTANTLY RAMP UP THE RACIAL ATMOSPHERE

What is this all about?

Are you stil upset that white women rejected your desire for interracial sex? Is that what this is all about?

It is pretty easy to cast away with logic just about everything you have said.


And you are obsessed with sexual slurs.


So it must be based on your personal experiences being rejected for interracial sex with white women.


Is that right?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

The democrats have STARTED A RACIAL WAR - they are on a WAR FOOTING AGAINST THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 6:21 PM

Unless, of course, you're a democrat in trouble. Barbara Boxer told supporters this past weekend, “I need you to be excited, as excited as the tea party people are. Will you help me?”

Posted by: SuzyCcup | April 19, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman, Specter, Crist - why is it that the AMERICAN PEOPLE can't get rid of these guys?

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 7:44 PM


37, you left out John McCain. He's in the same class.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | April 19, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

reussere to your comment at 6:37


Wow - the democrats have done nothing but ramp up the RACIALLY CHARGED ATMOSPHERE IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS.

Yet you claim this did not happen - but you complain about the gun rally?

We have gone over this point


Thursday night in Chicago 19 people were shot in the inner city. 4 dead.


Sunday in Chicago's BLACK COMMUNITYv again 7 people were shot.


NOW WHO IS THE VIOLENT GROUP ?

Seriously, your posting is completely out-of-touch with reality.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

If Crist decides to run as an independent, all the republicans who contributed to his campaign should demand a refund.

Crist (and his buddy, John McCain) should just call it quits. Go Marco!

Posted by: SuzyCcup | April 19, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Crist should stay with the Republicans. He has many good years ahead and the rough patch he is now in is temporary and is a mere matter of bad timing. But to now compete with the Republicans would brand him as a man moved by mere convenience and self-interest.

Posted by: bradfordpeterson | April 19, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

reussere to your comment at 6:37


The FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM have been the democratic points for weeks.


Obama has DONE NOTHING TO STOP THESE CHARGES.


It is Obama's attack machine AT WORK - and Obama is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE.

Obama pulled the same crap in South Carolina - only he told the networks that he would not play the RACE CARD - all the while his campaign was pushing race, pushing race pushing race.


Tim Russert called Obama out on it at a debate in 2008.


So - THE FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM IS OBAMA'S LEGACY.

IT WAS OBAMA'S CHOICE TO GO DOWN THIS PATH.


IT IS A DISGRACE TO OUR COUNTRY - AND MARTIN LUTHER KING WOULD BE ASHAMED OF OBAMA.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Gravelly Point is a great place. You're a few hundred yards from the landing strip at Washington National airport. It's a great place to take kids.

So, toss in a few dozen gun nuts with low flying planes. As I presume there is a constitutional right to shoulder launched SAMs, that presents an interesting image.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 19, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse


fugitivenyc

the last thing this nation needs is another Arlen Specter

Lieberman, Specter, Crist - why is it that the AMERICAN PEOPLE can't get rid of these guys?

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Crist should stay in the race as a Republican and stop the unsubstantiated negative campaign ads. If defeated, he should support Rubio. That would be the honorable thing to do. However, I think he will place personal ambition first and run as an independent.

Posted by: hit4cycle | April 19, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Surely The White House's political operation must realize that Kendrick Meek cannot win as the Democratic nominee. I imagine Obama and his political advisers are working secretly behind the scenes to persuade Crist to run as a Democrat. They'll promise to push Meek aside and clear the field for Crist. In a general election match-up (Crist vs. Rubio), moderates and independents would flock to Crist as they did in the 2006 gubernatorial election, and Crist would win the Senate seat easily.

Posted by: fugitivenyc | April 19, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

He's toast!!!!!! He needs to find some other line of work.

Posted by: Jimbo77 | April 19, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

If you can't beat them then join them. Nobody likes a quitter.

Posted by: AMQ1 | April 19, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Crist is still running TV spots linking Rubio to former indicted State House speaker Ray Sansom. Whatever the governor is planning, it doesn't include playing nice with the Republican party's likely nominee. Spoiler seems to be on his mind.

Posted by: hlabadie | April 19, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

He could switch parties and become a Democrat. He likes Obama very much.

Posted by: kenpasadena | April 19, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama has decided to keep on shooting - shoot - false charges of racism - hint about the verge of "turning violent"
Posted by: 37thand0street

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I have seen this charge many times, but I have never seen anyone mention when or where they heard Obama saying anything about racism, except when he said that he didn't think that his opponents were racist. I am sure you don't think that counts of course, but would someone post a link or ANYTHING that indicates that Obama, or anyone in his administration, has said that his opponents are racist?

Being concerned about demonstrations where people show up with weapons, or being concerned about assassinations in this political climate both seem quite sensible to me. Violence usually creates more violence. Is that the sort of society we want?

Posted by: reussere | April 19, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

@drindl,

I don't think they are a bit confused. The revolutionary wannabe's are trying to be coy (to the extent they are capable) and walk just this side of the law.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton's comments about the potential for right-wing extremism sound as ridiculous today AS THEY WERE 15 YEARS AGO.

15 Years ago Bill Clinton looked like an idiot, trying to make partisan advantage from the Oklahoma City bombing.

AND HERE WE ARE, THE DEMOCRATS ARE DISRESPECTING THE DEAD AGAIN - TRYING TO TAKE POLITICAL ADVANTAGE OF THE BOMBING.

This is vile - it really is.

At some point in recent decades, our political leaders had a measure of personal honor.


Bill Clinton again went out of his way to disgrace himself - and Im saying that from the point of view of disappointment.

MSNBC and Rachel Maddow are pulling the same silly stunt with a show tonight and the commericals leading up to the show.

It really is bad bad politics.


The country is sick of this - get these people out as fast as possible.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Spent the Winter in Florida. Rubio is about as crooked as they come. Sounds about right. get rid of the competent governor and put a good old boy rifraf in office.

Posted by: johnturkal1 | April 19, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Some very confused people...


"Today in Fort Hunt, and later in Gravelly Point, two parks along the Potomac River in Virginia, right-wing activists gathered with loaded pistols and unloaded rifles to protest the Obama administration’s “tyranny.” Today also marks the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, but attendees told ThinkProgress that April 19th is significant for several reasons. One attendee likened his movement to the Jews who rose up in the Warsaw ghetto against Nazi soldiers, which began on April 19th, while some said they were like the revolutionaries who fought in the battle of Lexington and Concord. Others, echoing Timothy McVeigh and Rush Limbaugh, commemorate April 19th because it marks the siege of the Branch Davidian ranch in Waco.

Only about 50 attendees showed up to the rally. A man who identified himself as “Mark” from Arkansas said many people wanted to attend, but did not have enough vacation time or money to make the trip. Mark said he read about some European countries which provide for more vacation time, and although he opposes the government, said he wishes it would do more to increase wages and paid leave for workers.

In any case, there were as many reporters as attendees at the event.

Mike Vanderboegh, the blogger who encouraged people to throw bricks at Democratic offices around the country last month and who called for a “thousand little Wacos” to resist the government, addressed the rally in the morning.

He told the crowd that the government must “to understand this situation is coming to a fundamental break when people innocent and guilty are going to begin dying for their failure to understand.” Vanderboegh told a reporter that there will be “consequences” for the government. Asked if that means “more Ruby Ridges, more Wacos,” Vanderbroegh replied, “precisely.”

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

He should go the he** away. And take his repug buddies with him.

Posted by: hakc56 | April 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

He should go the he** away. And take his repug buddies with him.

Posted by: hakc56 | April 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Since the base seems intent on pushing further and further to the fringe and the R establishment goes with it, running anyone who has ever voted with Democrats out of office, formerly safe districts for Rs will become contestable.

Crist and Graham and any sane Rs --especially incumbents-- should form a third party, one that looks like the R party did when they actually wanted to work for the country's good.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

ON the surface this might not appear to be a really good topic, but in fact it goes to the center of the situation we have right now.


I can tell you this clearly: the atmosphere we have right now is EXACTLY WHAT OBAMA DID NOT WANT.


This is Obama's nightmare - a situation in which the white males of this nation are constantly getting sniped at by the left.


Look at this blog - it is completely out of control - and it is the minorities and the radical women sniping at the white males.


NO where in America are slurs tolerated - EXCEPT AGAINST THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT


The democrats have STARTED A RACIAL WAR - they are on a WAR FOOTING AGAINST THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT.


Obama has decided to keep on shooting - shoot - false charges of racism - hint about the verge of "turning violent"

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Did Biden today announce the deaths of Iraqis in October - didn't he say October 18th ???


Are they that desperate to pretend that they are making progress???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

it's not just the republican party.

both of our national political parties seek to kick moderates to the curb. anyone remember what obama said publicly about campaigning (or not) for democrats who didn't jump on his idiotic healthcare bandwagon? most american voters are sick and tired of the petty partisanship and knee-jerk reactions between the two established parties and within each party as well.

what are the vast majority of americans who are both politically moderate and not influenced by party dogma supposed to do? there's almost nobody left for us to want to vote for.

it's definitely time for a third political party in this country. however, any emerging political party will have to define itself very well before it begins fielding national candidates. otherwise, it will be defined as the party of the "crackpot of the hour." we don't need a new political party rising up from the lunatic fringe, led by some charismatic show-horse. it's a serious problem that so many of us feel truly alienated by the current political status quo in this counrty.

as for florida, charlie crist should probably run as a "non-affiliated" candidate and see how that turns out. he's got nothing to lose by doing so.

Posted by: potomacfever00 | April 19, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Crist should just wait it out - this year is a crazy year.


Going up against Rubio from this point seems like a really bad idea.


Going Independent for a sitting Governor doesn't really seem like a good idea either - it runs the risk of handing it to the democrats. Lieberman may have gotten away with it - but Lieberman still has not settled in long-term and just may have been in a good spot with advantages that are not available to Crist.


Waiting it out seems the best option right now.


Crist could stay in the Republican primary and try to win it - things have changed quickly - and the whole Republican party is not that conservative.

If Crist would stay IN the Republican party, he is going to have to out right Rubio - get some right street cred.

Florida is a huge state - with vastly different demographics in various areas - there is a way Crist could find a coalition to win.

So I am in the camp of stay in the primary or drop out completely and wait for a good race.


There could actually be a Congressional race which opens up soon for him - he has the money for that.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Funny how snmall minded righties are. They complain that "polticians aren't ;listening" when politicians don't do whatever it is that they think they should do in that specific moment. then they complain that when politicians do things that are popular that "politicians just go whichever way the wind is blowing."

And yet conservative either are too blinded by their kool aid to see the hypocrisy of their own statements, or they are so deluded that they think no one else sees then for hypocritical mindless fools.

Christ should run as an independant. Worked for Libermann.

Posted by: John1263 | April 19, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

It will be delivered "free" along with your healthcare, just don't expect prompt delivery.


Posted by: leapin |


Best photo from the tea party was a picture of a skeleton sitting in a wheelcahir with a sign that said, "still waiting to see my doctor".

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

If C.C. was a good American (as opposed to a faithful Party member), he would denounce the right-wing extremists and radical Christianists for their cynical and dangerous anti-government ideology. He would join the Democratic Party and help to fight the real enemy, the Corporate Oligarchs. If not, he'll wind up like the former maverick, John McCain, flip-flopping for votes like a trained circus act.

Posted by: thebobbob | April 19, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

He should run as an independant. He stands for the principles of the republican party and should run against the fringe usurper.

Posted by: John1263 | April 19, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Crist runs as an independent. That's why he vetoed the education bill.

Arlen Specter isn't an independent; he's a self-absorbed twit. But there are a number of potentially or actually "independent" politicians in the house and senate, like Lieberman, who have more in common with each other than they do with the right or left wings of their own parties. Crist getting elected as an independent would have huge implications and may well give the "independent" block the balance of power in the next Senate.

One politician getting drummed out of his party by the extreme wing of his party and getting elected as an independent anyway is an interesting anomaly. Two would be a trend.

Three would be a movement.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A. Crist vetoed the Senate Bill 6, becuase he made politacal calculation that if he wins the Republican Primary, he would have trouble in the General Election.

B. He will drop out of the race and can mend his relationship with Republican voters, but voting for the bill would be a political albatross around his neck for some time to come- he averse to long term political consequences.

If he runs as an Independent his entire election campaign staff will quit on him, he'll have to return most of his money, and he will be badly behind both Meek and Rubio in finances and organization.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 19, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The best thing Crist could do is go get Lincoln Chafee, and those two together either resurrect the American Reform Party or start their own centrist party. They might get a stampede of RINOs looking for a place to herd up and campaign from. In fact they could use a rhino as their party symbol.

The question is just who else they should recruit to found their party. It would need to be centrists who haven't TOO much pandering the unappreciative right on their record.

They need to do it soonest, because they need this election cycle to get their losing done, so that in 2012 they can hunker down and begin winning general elections from the center. (It only takes 34% of the vote to get elected provided the Right only gets 33% and the left only gets 33 %.)

Posted by: ceflynline | April 19, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Crist runs as an independent. That's why he vetoed the education bill.

Arlen Specter isn't an independent; he's a self-absorbed twit. But there are a number of potentially or actually "independent" politicians in the house and senate, like Lieberman, who have more in common with each other than they do with the right or left wings of their own parties. Crist getting elected as an independent would have huge implications and may well give the "independent" block the balance of power in the next Senate.

One politician getting drummed out of his party by the extreme wing of his party and getting elected as an independent anyway is an interesting anomaly. Two would be a trend.

Three would be a movement.

Posted by: anon99 | April 19, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If he quits now, no one will remember Crist's name in 2012. If he drops out, the Rs will owe him big time. But I'm sure that some of the bales of Wall Street cash they're getting to block regulation will find its way to him...

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

If you don't drink the cool aid (see Jim Jones), you can't have a seat at the table. Pragmatic centralists are not welcome in the GOP. The GOP is well on its way of ruining the careers of everyone who might possibly beat Obama in 2012.

Posted by: cyberfool | April 19, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Still long in the market."

Yeah, heh, heh, but Crist?
Not so much.
The Donner Party is hungry.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 5:18 PM
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When the Donner Party comes off the mountain, they don't remember a damn thing about those missing guys. Maybe they're still up there, maybe skiing or somethin'.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"I'm going to have fun laughing at all the Progressives..."

More evidence Obama's plan is working!
Bipartisan, mutual agreement on laughing at each other (I'll guess that mean spirited lady pictured over the earlier thread didn't get the memo).

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

First Read reports:

"First Read has learned that Crist is getting much of his political advice nowadays from GOP strategist Mitch Bainwol, and they are considering two options right now: 1) making an independent bid, which would turn the general election into a toss-up; and 2) dropping out of the race altogether and turning his sights to a 2012 Senate challenge against Bill Nelson (D). But right now, no one is seriously talking about Crist staying in a GOP primary he’s trailing by double digits. The filing deadline is at the end of this month."
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I'm going to have fun laughing at all the Progressives that were certain Crist was going to run as an independent.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 19, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"...a member of the D bagger free lunch party."

Can I have mine delivered for free?

Posted by: shrink2
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It will be delivered "free" along with your healthcare, just don't expect prompt delivery.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Crist should pull a Hillary Clinton; he should drop out with grace and charisma. By enthusiastically supporting Marco Rubio, he can erase some of the wanning support and respect he had been receiving in Republican circles. Additionally, before accepting defeat, he should try and work out a deal where he replaces Steele as RNC Chairman; Crist would excel in the job; by all accounts, he seems to thrive in the political arena. Finally, he should begin putting together the infrastructure for a national campaign for the presidency in 2012-- he'll have to play catch up, but the field now could use some moderates. Let's be realistic, it was the White House (not the US Senate) that Crist has his eyes on.

Posted by: dpmeehan1 | April 19, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"Still long in the market."

Yeah, heh, heh, but Crist?
Not so much.
The Donner Party is hungry.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: eello

I voted for Charlie, think he has some good qualities, but people get frustrated with someone who's flipped flopped on a few things, espcially more recently. Charlie seems wishy washy, and that's why Rubio is more appealing. Now the democrats, in all of their infinite wisdom will talk about how "radicalized" (I love the hypocrisy)the Republicans are in picking Rubio over Crist, but it's endemic of a larger picture, and that's being tired of John McCain types who don't stand firm on issues important to conservatives. How many of you libs love your "blue dog" democrats for example when they flip flop or stand in the way of legislation you freaks want passed??? PPP Liberals!
+++++++++++

That's why I'm not voting for Crist. He goes in whatever direction the political winds are blowing. That, and he decided to run for the Senate while the State is in a recession shortly after becoming governor.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 19, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

You're really on a roll today--this and the previous article have both been masterfully written.

As for Crist, Meek has too much structure built up for Crist to successfully switch parties and run as a D.; he'd just be hopping from one fire into another.

Clearly, the extreme Right has seen to it that Rubio--charismatic and articulate if one is unaware of his voting record and views--will get the R. nod.

So Crist's only option now is indeed to run as an Independent. Dropping out is a virtual ticket to obscurity. The wouldn't be any 2012 race to join, regardless of other hurdles.

Let's only hope--if indeed he does switch--he can think of a plausible explanation for his avowal of a few weeks ago that he'd never run as an Independent.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | April 19, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@shrink2,


Shrink 1, 12Bar 0.

Still long in the market.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm impressed that eello can diagnose homsexuality from a photograph. If eello can tell who is a commie/socialist just from looking at a snapshot, I'm sure the Republicans will hire them to vet their next regime.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 19, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

*Drop out, retire as governor, run in 2012

*Drop out, run for re-election as governor
+++++++

Either one of these two. The Independent bid is a fantasy being kept alive by Progressives.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The idea republicans as defined by their present corrupt leadership will never opt for moderation. They will not be happy until they destroy the the Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln.

The southern Republican party is radically dominated by southerners. Maybe this is their revenge against Lincoln for freeing the slaves, and keeping the nation united.

Today Republicans are trying hard to redivide America the way they did up to and during the civil war.

Posted by: ArchieHaase | April 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Crist's best strategy will be to not run for any office and apologize for all the damage he's done as governor of Florida.

Posted by: bot_feeder | April 19, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What can (and should) Charlie Crist do?


Based on that photo...for starters, how about come out of the closet already!

I voted for Charlie, think he has some good qualities, but people get frustrated with someone who's flipped flopped on a few things, espcially more recently. Charlie seems wishy washy, and that's why Rubio is more appealing. Now the democrats, in all of their infinite wisdom will talk about how "radicalized" (I love the hypocrisy)the Republicans are in picking Rubio over Crist, but it's endemic of a larger picture, and that's being tired of John McCain types who don't stand firm on issues important to conservatives. How many of you libs love your "blue dog" democrats for example when they flip flop or stand in the way of legislation you freaks want passed??? PPP Liberals!

Posted by: eello | April 19, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Crist's best chance of becoming the Jr. Senator from FL is to switch parties. He'll easily beat Meek in the primary, and therefore assure himself the entire Democratic vote in the General. Pick up some independents, and he wins.

Posted by: dcgmia | April 19, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"...a member of the D bagger free lunch party."

Can I have mine delivered for free?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I am from Florida and I for the first time will not be voting for a single Republican they have screwed up this state so bad man I miss Lawton Childs. Jeb gave us nothing but poor service jobs and now they are drying up the GOP have gutted the schools and our roads are filled with tolls now.

Thanks but no thanks you will see a Democrat in 2010. South Florida has had enough and so has the I-4 corridor.

Posted by: antonio3 | April 19, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

He should become a member of the D bagger free lunch party.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Why not do as Specter has done and switch parties to run as a Democrat. That way(presuming the democrats accept him) he would have an excellent chance of being elected. Democratic votes plus moderate Republican votes (Those Republicans that are sick and tired of seeing their part y being taken over by the nut cases)would almost certainly lead to success unless there are a lot more nut cases in Florida than I suspect there are.

Posted by: Opa2 | April 19, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

As The Republican Party recasts itself as The Donner Party, Democrats unite and realize, its the economy, smart people. 12Bar, see, Monday turned out just fine.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

the defacto two party system we have doesn't mean every candidate fits nicely into one party or the other. Clearly the larger part of those Floridians registered as a Republican support Rubio but why should Crist limit the choice of Florida voters? If I was still able to vote in Florida I probably wouldn't vote for Crist or Rubio (I was a registered Democrat before I moved away) but I'd certainly consider voting for Crist if Meeks looked like he was toast. I hate that the two party system often means voting for one of two bad choices and I'd certainly like to see other options.

Posted by: robdoral | April 19, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Crist was the first Republican I've ever voted for & would do so again. I'm Cuban/American & don't trust Rubio. Nor any of the Democrats or other Republicans, for that matter. He should run as an independent.

Posted by: jhozae | April 19, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"In the long term, running for president almost certainly forecloses the possibility that Crist will appear on the Republican national ticket."

Do you mean "running as an Independent" when you say "running for president"? Otherwise, I can't parse this sentence.

Posted by: Blarg | April 19, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It's unfortunate that Christ is being given a run for his money. Crist is a great politician who can get along on both sides of the fence, which is probably why the psychos like the other guy; they don't want anybody "getting along" in Washington.

The trouble is, Republian voters demand a nut case for a candidate, and they're getting one if they put that lobbyist, Marco Rubio, in office.

Posted by: lindalovejones | April 19, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Crist's dilemma underscores just how radicalized the Republican party has become. Here's a guy who was on the shortlist for being his party's vice-presidential nominee just 2 years ago - and now he's getting drummed out of his party as a RINO? Of course, they're doing the same thing to their presidential nominee too, so perhaps it shouldn't come as a shock.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 19, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Crist should just come out of the closet, already. Everyone knows he's gay. Nobody trusts a politician who is openly dishonest about who he is.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | April 19, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I think Joe Liebermann, Arlen Specter, and Olympia Snowe should call Crist and say that they would welcome him as an independent voice in the Senate and that they will appear with him at a rally for his announcement if he wants to have their support. That would help Crist to shore up some of his fundraising because he could then tap the wealth in the Northeast. Also it would create a situation where if he won Liebermann, Specter and, Snowe would have a senator that is indebted to them for his win.

He could also ask for support from Lincoln Chafee and Bloomberg as well. The more independents that win the more likely it will be that other independents are seen as viable alternatives to the two party power structure.

Posted by: AndyR3 | April 19, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Mitt Romney a profile in courage?

In Hawaii, he endorses the Republican running against two Democrats.

And in Florida, he endorses the guy with the 23-point lead in the primary.

Mitt Romney: Gutsy Leadership for the Future!

Posted by: Bondosan | April 19, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

He shouldn't give up -- he should run as an independent. That will be much more fun for th political junkies.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Jeb Bush is in Teabagger Rubio's Corner -- Firmly. He's been running a Shadow Governorship since he left office. Bush's FFF was solidly behind the "breaking of arms" to get SB 6 passed. Crist one-upped him by changing his mind about how he felt about the bill and vetoing it.


The Bush's are like a crime family and Jebby is mad enough to eat snakes and will do everything it takes to defeat Crist -- barring helping Meek.

Posted by: DrainYou | April 19, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Man, if Lieberman can win by switching to independent, then Crist can do it as well. I'd have to think he'd have a pretty big center to feast on. I think he's done a good job of focusing on a lot of Rubio's weaknesses that he can win the moderate right. I don't know much about Meek's abilities as a candidate, but Crist would start off with some institutional advantage in a state that tends to focus on the candidate than the affiliation more than most.

Personally, though, I hope he stays and pounds on Rubio. This will definitely hurt the guy for the general.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 19, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Crist should have pulled a Specter and made the switch sooner rather than later. I would have still stunk of desperation, but he would have had time to recover and re-establish himself as a sensible moderate in an increasingly crazy Republican party. Heck, he might have even been welcomed by the Democrats. But having spent the last month trying to out-teabag Rubio, Crist has little room left to maneuver. He's headed for defeat in the primary, he can't go for governor without ticking off old allies, and he's shown himself vulnerable to the right if he tries to run against Nelson. If he wants to stay in politics he better switch soon and stake out a clear middle.

Posted by: thecorinthian | April 19, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

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