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What to watch for in the Massachusetts special election

Polls don't close for another six and a half hours in Massachusetts and without any exit polling in the race -- booo! -- political junkies (like yours truly) are left to wait and wonder about the outcome of today's special Senate election between state Sen. Scott Brown (R) and state Attorney Martha Coakley (D).

To make that process slightly more palatable, we talked to a number of senior strategists in both parties in search of the key geographic areas and demographic groups to keep an eye on as results roll in tonight in order to best understand what's happening and why.

A sampling of their thoughts is below.

* City turnout: Coakley must maximize the power of the city turnout machines in Boston (led by Mayor Tom Menino), Worcester (in the hands of Rep. Jim McGovern) and Springfield. Three close-in communities to Boston report their results early -- Cambridge, Somerville and Arlington -- and, according to one Democrat, if Brown is close or leading in those areas, the race is effectively over.

* The South Coast: While almost all of the state is reached by Boston television, the communities in hard-scrabble town like Fall River -- home of former Boston schoolboy hoops legend Chris Herren -- gets Providence television and is culturally a far different place than the Hub. These are the sort of Democrats -- blue-collar -- that Coakley must win but, as the race entered its final stages, wasn't winning.

* Independent women: The Brown surge has been fueled -- primarily -- by independents who have moved strongly in his favor over the past ten days. Democrats acknowledge independent men are a lost cause for Coakley but they are hoping that her historic candidacy -- she would be the first woman elected to the Senate or governor in the state -- is a significant draw among independent women. The working theory among Democratic modelers is if Coakley can win 35 percent of the independent vote, she can win; if she goes below that number, Brown will win.

* The Beltway Vote: The most critical area for Brown is in between Rt. 128 -- the inner Beltway that rings Boston and 495 -- the outer Beltway to the west of the city. That area, which includes the critical swing suburban community county of Middlesex, is filed with independent and Republican voters that Brown needs energized to offset the likely swamping he will take in Boston proper.

* Boston Catholics: While the city of Boston is strongly Democratic, it is also -- in parts -- strongly Catholic (and pro-life). In communities like South Boston, Dorchester and the North End, Republicans believe Brown has made significant inroads. Worth noting: In the two most recent Republican victories in Massachusetts (Gov. Mitt Romney in 2002 and Gov. Paul Cellucci in 1998), the Catholic vote went Republican.

Are you looking at certain key towns/cities or demographic groups? The comments sectiona awaits your observations.

By Chris Cillizza  |  January 19, 2010; 1:12 PM ET
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Comments

A one-way bus ticket from Los Angeles to Boston does not cost $6,500 (more like $194).

Posted by: JakeD | January 20, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

nothing changes. my insurance (for one person) is $6500 a year and i am unemployed. i may as well cut off my breasts and send my organs in today. thanks massachusetts! if i could afford it, i'd move to YOUR state...

Posted by: poorshmuck | January 20, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I didn't say it would be easy. Life isn't easy.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Here's the irony for me: JakeD thinks I could move to Massachusetts in order to get guaranteed healthcare (I have a pre-existing condition). The gods must be laughing.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Well Massachusetts, you got your pretty boy centerfold who hangs out with your cool local baseball hero. Shame on Martha Coakley for not knowing more about baseball than actually running government. Apparently you don't give a DAMN about your families - or families across the rest of the nation. But you got your emptyheaded beefcake.

Nitwits.

Posted by: B2O2 | January 19, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, Brown has been declared winner. There goes my healthcare, up in smoke.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

37th,

Why do you repeat posts? Most blogs reject duplicate posts, I guess this one does not.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing started with Obama staying on the golf course over the holidays - releasing statements that downplayed a terrorist incident that could have killed 300 people.


It is UNBELIEVABLE.


People do not want the health care bill - however Obama has been MISMANAGING THE COUNTRY.


Instead of the economy, Obama is off reviewing the Afghanistan policy for months - only to choose a Bush-like Surge and then say we are pulling out in 18 months.


Then Obama goes to Copenhagen TWICE on issues which have nothing to do with the economy.


I GUESS WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM SOMEONE LIKE OBAMA WHO HAS NO ECONOMIC OR BUSINESS EXPERIENCE EXCEPT FOR BUYING COCAINE.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

BB -- ix-nay about the ecret-say ub-clay eeting-may. See you at the corner. Wear your hat!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | January 19, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

1% of precincts reproting: Brown 54, Coakley 45

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

RASMUSSEN EXIT POLL:

Among those who decided how they would vote in the past few days, Coakley has a slight edge, 47% to 41%.

Coakley also has a big advantage among those who made up their mind more than a month ago.

Seventy-six percent (76%) of voters for Brown said they were voting for him rather than against Coakley.

Sixty-six percent (66%) of Coakley voters said they were voting for her rather than against Brown.

22% of Democrats voted for Brown. That is generally consistent with pre-election polling.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

37th,

Had to go for a while. Did you tell us what has happened in the past that makes you suspicious about posters?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

HAAAAAAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

TWO MINUTE WARNING

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

LOL 37th!!!

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse


This whole thing started with Obama staying on the golf course over the holidays - releasing statements that downplayed a terrorist incident that could have killed 300 people.

It is UNBELIEVABLE.

People do not want the health care bill - however Obama has been MISMANAGING THE COUNTRY.

Instead of the economy, Obama is off reviewing the Afghanistan policy for months - only to choose a Bush-like Surge and then say we are pulling out in 18 months.


Then Obama goes to Copenhagen TWICE on issues which have nothing to do with the economy.

I GUESS WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM SOMEONE LIKE OBAMA WHO HAS NO ECONOMIC OR BUSINESS EXPERIENCE EXCEPT FOR BUYING COCAINE.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, NAuchi : )

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I just returned from Cambridge City Hall and it felt terrific to vote for a great candidate Scott Brown. He will make a fantastic senator of Massachusetts.

Mood on the streets of Cambridge--subdued. Mood among commuters on the T upbeat and happy. Brown wins in a walk. A great day for America and for decency in politics.

Posted by: NAuchi | January 19, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

10 minutes, and counting ...

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

The calm before the storm.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

He's onto us! Margaret. Cancel the It's an XK Red operation. I'm authorizing a double bluff.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 19, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

T-minus 30 minutes ...

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

You have Brown driving around with a blown up magazine cover of himself and Coakley that can't be bothered to campaign in cold weather. If you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you are qualified to be in the Senate. Reminds me of the Mafia, whose college educated children became businessmen, while the dummies took over the mob.

Posted by: jameschirico | January 19, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

37thand0street:

Stop it; rank and serial number ONLY!!!!

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

It's still a "referendum" (using YOUR best case scenario as a canary in the mine, no less). I posted on the prior thread a national poll that showed the country as a whole would pick Brown in a landslide. You're lucky it's THIS close in Massachusetts!

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


I am a double agent - so that this two things that I have revealed about myself.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I once thought I must be Jake's hobby. Then I realized I'm more like his obsession. I was wrong both times.

I am Jake's whole reason for being alive.

Jake came into this world in 1992 for the sole purpose of stalking me online.

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

tomguy1:

I don't "hate" Obama, but to answer your question, no.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

37th:

Evan Bayh to ABC: "if you lose Massachusetts and that’s not a wake-up call, there’s no hope of waking up.”

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I think the Coakley memo has one interesting point : this whole thing started with the images of Obama on the golf course in Hawaii basically not responding to the Detroit bomber.

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yeah the true measure of leadership is a ready descent into hysteria.

Just remember Bush's sterling leadership on 9/11.... he just sat there looking dazed. Now that' leadership

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Once again, our gracious host has asked us all to simply ignore / shame those who return after being banned:

"A note on the banned commenters:

I have been banning people both by username and IP address but have noticed a desire on the part of some [ChrisFox8/GoldandTanzanite/SeattleTop and Noacoler] to use proxy servers to come back with different, unbanned IP addresses.

The truth is that if they want to go to those lengths, I can't do much other than keep banning them.

But, I keep wondering: Why, if they hate the blog so much, do they go through so much trouble to keep participating?

Chris"

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | January 5, 2010 8:34 AM

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I think the Coakley memo has one interesting point : this whole thing started with the images of Obama on the golf course in Hawaii basically not responding to the Detroit bomber.


The whole country was off for basically two three-days weekends - and it was cold across the country.


What did people do? They put on cable news - and all we saw was Obama playing golf and buying shaved ice.


Obama's handling of the terrorism issue - and his attempts to label the bomber as an "isolated extremist" - and the release of the Yemen terrorists all came together for people looking to voice their displeasure.

The realization that Obama is soft on terror took a while to take hold - and it was fueled by Obama's horrible handling of the Detroit bomber case.


I don't think anyone wants to see the terrorists be read their rights, be told to remain silent, and be tried.

People simply to do not want any of this.


Obama is under the mistaken impression that these policies are going to go into effect and no one is going to care


Obama's people to be so completely out of touch -

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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

12bar: there've been no conspiracies operating here, save one.

The GOP trolls are posting under multiple monikers. There are a lot fewer than there are monikers. Since reality is dead against them they need to manufacture phony concurrence.

Moonbat is also drivl, among others; JakeD is also 37th. His denial should be taken as unimpeachable proof.

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

T-minus ONE HOUR and counting ...

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Just asking - given what has gone on here I have come to believe that people should identify themselves and what they are up to.

Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

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Somehow, I have reason to doubt that is your legal name. As for myself, I'm a research scientist having worked at universities, a private corporation (Dow), a non-profit research lab, and at a government lab of late. That would be five more things than you have ever revealed about yourself.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 19, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

All this talk of the Mass election being a national referendum is a load of crap. Coakley has been a horrible candidate, plain and simple, and her numbers reflect that. But if you must insist that it is a national referendum, and Coakley wins, are all you Obama haters going to start supporting health care reform, renewable energy, and the rest of the administration's platform? Didn't think so . . . which goes to show, this isn't a national referendum.

Posted by: tomguy1 | January 19, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

Just asking - given what has gone on here I have come to believe that people should identify themselves and what they are up to.


Unless they are just random citizens talking all the time.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 6:51 PM
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Another of my *questions*--I'm new here. What has gone on in the past?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

usadblake:

"This was supposed to be a walk. It's fairly incredible that here we are ... and Ted Kennedy's seat is actually up for grabs," said Scott Helman, political editor for The Boston Globe.

Helman attributed the closeness of the race to two things: "I think Coakley's campaign operated for a long time as if this was going to be a fairly easy race; and two, Scott Brown's campaign has done a very good job, capitalizing on anger at Washington, anger over health care, anger about the deficit, the sort of throw-them-out mentality," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/coakley.brown/index.html

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

Just asking - given what has gone on here I have come to believe that people should identify themselves and what they are up to.


Unless they are just random citizens talking all the time.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

37th,

For heavens sakes, don't be so suspicious. I don't work for anyone, no one pays me to do this, I'm not a spy. Relax. I'm just not very partisan. I like people and I like to understand people. So I ask different kinds of questions because I am interested in people.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Blue Hill Avenue runs like a vein through the city.

It stretches for 4 miles, from River Street in Mattapan to Dudley Street in Roxbury, and a little more than a year ago there was an Obama sign on every block. There were Obama signs in Mattapan barber shops, in the windows of the apartment buildings opposite Franklin Field and Franklin Park, in the restaurants of Grove Hall, in the bodegas near Jermaine Goffigan Park.

Fourteen months ago, there was a buzz on Blue Hill Ave. and the streets that run off it like caterpillar legs. This is the heart of the biggest minority community in the state, and the energy generated by the prospect of Barack Obama becoming president was palpable.

Yesterday, I drove the length of Blue Hill Ave. and counted exactly two Martha Coakley signs. One of them was on a fence next to the Roxbury Energy Gas station, on the corner of Moreland Street. The sign wasn’t properly fastened. It flapped in the wind, revealing a “Mike Flaherty for Mayor" sign underneath.

If Martha Coakley loses today, it won’t be because she didn’t put up enough signs on Blue Hill Ave. It’ll be because she failed to convince enough of the people who put up the Obama signs on Blue Hill Ave. and a lot of other avenues across Massachusetts that Obama’s ability to get anything done depends on her winning the election.

Besides the sign flapping at the gas station, the only other Martha Coakley sign on Blue Hill Ave. was in the window of Mattapan Family Laundry. Edgar Martinez was behind the counter and he said he knows absolutely nothing about Martha Coakley.

Edgar Martinez is 22 years old, and 14 months ago he voted in his first and so far only election, and he cast his ballot for Obama. “I remember then, when Obama was running, that was all we talked about, my friends, my family. We were excited," he said. “I haven’t heard anybody I know talking about this election.

“All my friends voted for Obama. A lot of them were like me. It was the first time we voted. Even older people in my family, it was the first time they voted. Everybody thought things would get better. But they haven’t. I know a lot of people who have lost their houses this year. It’s sad. All my friends are saying Obama promised a lot but he’s doing nothing. I don’t know if that’s true. But that’s what my friends are saying."

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

37th wrote "OK you have your categories - so what is your point ???"
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Excellent point. I'm actually waiting to see if anyone here is actually against some kind of healthcare reform. I know there are 1)s and 2)s (you were yesterday).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

(cont.)

Edgar Martinez was born in Guatemala and came here as a boy. He used to work as a security guard.

“I got laid off," he said.

Seven months ago, he started working at the laundry in Mattapan Square.

“It’s OK, I guess," he said. “I’m going back to school. Community college. Bunker Hill, in Charlestown. January 22d. Can’t wait."

There is a TV mounted on one of the lime-green walls of Mattapan Family Laundry and yesterday it played a constant stream of commercials for Martha Coakley and Scott Brown. The people doing their laundry didn’t look up at the TV.

“A lot of our customers are Haitian," Martinez said. “They’ve got a lot of other stuff on their minds."

I asked Martinez if he was going to vote today.

He looked out the window. Across the street, the Together We Can hair salon had a sign out front, advertising a $20 early bird special. But yesterday, Together We Can was closed, locked up tight, dull gray iron grates pulled across the front door.

"I don’t know," Martinez said, shrugging, pushing change across the counter to a girl in a puffy winter jacket. “Maybe. I just don’t know."

Kevin Cullen is a Globe columnist.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


OK - but what are you doing - do you have a list on a piece of paper by your computer


What conclusions are you drawing from these groups?

Are you reporting to someone??

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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi was just on.


She was saying that no matter what happens in Massachusetts, the two health care bills, Senate and House, still have to be reconciled and she still has to get her members behind the bill.

IS SHE COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY ?

NOT only is the Senate not going to have the votes, SHE is not going to have the votes in the House either because her members are scared that what just happened to Coakley is going to happen to them.

ALL the comments I have read and heard indicate that the democrats are in a state of DENIAL where they are - and are completely out of touch with America.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

37th, I have you already as group 2. Didn't we have a rather nice discussion about this yesterday?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse


12Bar: not quite. Republicans' real passion is not for their own self interest,excepting only gun ownership. Their true concern is limited to the wealthy. They'll cut off their own balls if it would anger liberals, and do so eagerly if it increased shareholder value for thei favorite corporations.

Founders' assumptions of voter self interest never figured on Grover Norquist.

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 6:32 PM
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The true meaning of a fanatic (partisan) is someone who would castrate (I'm a lady so I can't talk about balls) themselves to spite liberals. And of course, someone who would castrate himself to spite conservatives.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that just about *everyone* here would deny being a fanatic, but would be happy to point out others thought to be fanatic.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


OK you have your categories - so what is your point ???

My first thought is your category 3 will not necessarily lead to higher premiums.

There really is no reason to believe that the Obama health care plan will bring down costs for most Americans - you have to add the additional taxes into the premiums to get the real costs.

I see a whole bunch of "cost shifting" from one group to another.

The rhetoric has been unbelievable, the same talking points repeated over and over again - and never really checked.


Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

usadblake:

Both.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

12Bar: not quite. Republicans' real passion is not for their own self interest,excepting only gun ownership. Their true concern is limited to the wealthy. They'll cut off their own balls if it would anger liberals, and do so eagerly if it increased shareholder value for thei favorite corporations.

Founders' assumptions of voter self interest never figured on Grover Norquist.

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Who's to blame for Coakley's loss, Coakley or Obama?

http://www.youpolls.com/default.asp


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Posted by: usadblake | January 19, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

1. Those who want the present healthcare bill passed. (The GET GOING group)
Posted by: 12BarBlues
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I believe you should change 1 or add a new number for the “get going” group to get going, I want a free lunch, and I don’t care about the consequences to the economy.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 6:27 PM
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I'm not opposed to your suggestion. Group 1 is now described as GET GOING & I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMY Group.

I'm suggesting we drop the free lunch idea since that is embodied in the economy idea.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

1. Those who want the present healthcare bill passed. (The GET GOING group)
Posted by: 12BarBlues
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I believe you should change 1 or add a new number for the “get going” group to get going, I want a free lunch, and I don’t care about the consequences to the economy.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

There seem to be 3 groups posting here:
1. Those who want the present healthcare bill passed. (The GET GOING group)
2. Those who want certain elements of healthcare reformed on a bipartisan basis. (The START OVER group)
3. Those who want no healthcare reform at all. (The I GOT MINE group)
My perception is that almost everyone here is 1) or 2). Any 3's?
Posted by: 12BarBlues
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4. Those that think government is too big, intrusive, has exceeded it bounds and think that there is little to no reform in “healthcare reform
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Same comment. Do you think you have just further explained group 3)?

I can add to Group 3: I GOT MINE & I'M FOR HIGHER PREMIUMS & I'M AGAINST GOVERNMENT INTRUSION group

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse


12bar: your #2 is inaccurate. These people want the government out of the marketplace so health insurers can collect ever-higher premiums but are under no obligation to pay for medical care.

After all they're nit a *charity*

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 6:09 PM
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Do you think you just described group 3?

If so, I will change my description of group 3 to *I GOT MINE & I'M FOR HIGHER PREMIUMS* group.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Croakley is already claiming fraud and has hired Franken's lawyer:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/coakley-campaign-to-sound-alarm-on-reported-ballots-pre-marked-for-scott-brown.php

Posted by: JakeD
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Just so she doesn't hire an incompetent like Franken's comedy writer.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

There seem to be 3 groups posting here:
1. Those who want the present healthcare bill passed. (The GET GOING group)
2. Those who want certain elements of healthcare reformed on a bipartisan basis. (The START OVER group)
3. Those who want no healthcare reform at all. (The I GOT MINE group)
My perception is that almost everyone here is 1) or 2). Any 3's?
Posted by: 12BarBlues
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4. Those that think government is too big, intrusive, has exceeded it bounds and think that there is little to no reform in “healthcare reform”.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

12bar: your #2 is inaccurate. These people want the government out of the marketplace so health insurers can collect ever-higher premiums but are under no obligation to pay for medical care.

After all they're nit a *charity*

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

FYI: there is at least ONE exit poll that will be released (I've seen some "leaked" info supposedly from internal campaign exit polling). Just because WaPo didn't get its act together in time, doesn't mean that Rasmussen was as inept:

http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2010/01/massachusetts-exit-polls-what-you-need.html

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

There seem to be 3 groups posting here:

1. Those who want the present healthcare bill passed. (The GET GOING group)

2. Those who want certain elements of healthcare reformed on a bipartisan basis. (The START OVER group)

3. Those who want no healthcare reform at all. (The I GOT MINE group)

My perception is that almost everyone here is 1) or 2). Any 3's?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | January 19, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Strangely, despite its rampant poverty, the south coast (and the surrounding rural areas) strongly Republican. They will likely vote against their own self interest today too in the same fashion that rural idiots in the south routinely do. Oh well. At least it's not a full term.

Posted by: olympiaroad
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There's something refreshing about a people that don't kowtow to the plantation owner.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I remember the last time I witnessed so many crowds of people walking around carrying signs and cheering for a candidate (and his opponent had nobody out). It was for Bill Bradley in NH in 2000. I'm not comparing that race to this, but the anecdotal evidence reminded me of that one.

Posted by: joeyjoejoe | January 19, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Peds prefer Vietnam because of the hairless bodies of the boys.

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no point remarking on "ped" since it clearly gets a pass with our gracious steno.

But... among humans, boys are always hairless. Are you a macaque, zouk? That would explain a lot. Babboons are nasty vicious brutes.

Your caricatures of liberals are funny!

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"I go through 10,000 rounds from April to August every year. I intend on going through twice to 3 times that amount of Ammo this year, more guns more ammo is what I say."
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What a piker, Randy Weaver had over 70,000 rounds stored for personal use at his cabin on Ruby Ridge.

pissing money away. Then again, I drink a lot of beer. To each their own, I guess.
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Some say drinking a lot of beer and shooting massive amounts of ammo go well together. Now how is that for bipartisanship, a Kumbaya moment?

Posted by: shrink2 | January 19, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

My preference is to drink a lot of beer, then go out and shoot small defensless animals. Afterwards I hit the church for confession.

My pick up has 250 K miles.

Posted by: Moonbat | January 19, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

We are zeroing in on Massachusetts today and studying the supply demand curves of all Massachusetts IP.'s. We are seeing what people are searching for around Brown/Coakley and what people are supplying them for answers. We clearly see Brown as winning this race based on search demand and search "results"
We study search demand/supply trends from around the world to find profitable niches and products and the main problem with predictions and "trends" is that no one looks at the "supply" side to these predictions. A niche, or hot predictions, is not just a demand side issue, but a supply/demand curve. If you predict IPHONE apps will take off, and there are already 100,000 aps, then you aren't going to hit that one. If you see that demand for cell phone radiation shields is going nuts and there are only two suppliers, then you can be pretty sure that it will be a good year for those 2 supplies. The software at www.TheInternetTimeMachine.com studies both the demand (search volume) and supply (think "results" in Google). The Google Phone is generating much more buzz right now then say the Apple Tablet.
Cheers,
Curt
Here is a video on what I mean.. http://bit.ly/SupplyDemandCurves

Posted by: curtdalton | January 19, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Often times, white people get frustrated with the state of their country. They do not like the President, or Congress, or the health care system, or the illegal status of Marijuana. Whenever they are presented with a situation that seems unreasonable to them, their first instinct is to threaten to move to Canada.

For example, if you are watching TV with white people and there is a piece on the news about that they do not agree with, they are likely to declare “ok, that’s it, I’m moving to Canada.”

Though they will never actually move to Canada, the act of declaring that they are willing to undertake the journey is very symbolic in white culture. It shows that their dedication to their lifestyle and beliefs are so strong, that they would consider packing up their entire lives and moving to a country that is only slightly different to the one they live in now.

Within white culture, it is agreed upon that if Canada had better weather it would be a perfect place.

Being aware that this information can be used quite easily to gain the trust of white people. Whenever they say, “I’m moving to Canada,” you must immediately respond with “I have relatives in Canada.”

They will then expect you to tell them about how Canada has a perfect healthcare system, legalized everything, and no crime. Though not true, it will reassure them that they are making the right choice by saying they want to move there.

But be warned, they will reference you in future conversations and possibly call on you to settle disputes about Canadian tax rates. So use this advice only if you plan to do some basic research.

Note: Canadian white people threaten to move to Europe.

Note: Europeans are unable to threaten to move anywhere.

Peds prefer Vietnam because of the hairless bodies of the boys.

Posted by: Moonbat | January 19, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey "screwball", actually there is such a thing as the "South Coast" of Massachusetts. It's exactly where the writer said it was. It's the region comprising of Wareham through Fall River. They have beaches and an ocean and they're on the southern part of the state bordering the ocean, a.k.a., the "South Coast". The schools there are all in the "South Coast Conference". Strangely, despite its rampant poverty, the south coast (and the surrounding rural areas) strongly Republican. They will likely vote against their own self interest today too in the same fashion that rural idiots in the south routinely do. Oh well. At least it's not a full term.

Posted by: olympiaroad | January 19, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"I go through 10,000 rounds from April to August every year. I intend on going through twice to 3 times that amount of Ammo this year, more guns more ammo is what I say."


pissing money away. Then again, I drink a lot of beer. To each their own, I guess.


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Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Cantabrigian188:

Thanks for the update!!!

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Voted in Cambridge at lunchtime - voter 791 - turnout was very high - I'm usually voter four hundred something.

Drove around in working class districts: Brighton, Roxbury, as well as politically important middle-class West Roxbury - do not see a lot of Coakley signs.

Crossed over to Needham (right on 128, just outside of Brookline and Newton) - overwhelmed with Brown signs and people waving with them at stop lights.

If the working poor don't come out to vote, it looks an awful lot like the suburban votes for Brown will carry the day.

Posted by: Cantabrigian188 | January 19, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the update on the fanaticism and gutter depravity if my fellow citizens. Maybe I'll move outa this free-market Scheisseloche even sooner.

Posted by: Noacoler
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Cuba and Venezuela now accepting applications from neocom statists.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler we haven't even begun to buy yet. I go through 10,000 rounds from April to August every year. I intend on going through twice to 3 times that amount of Ammo this year, more guns more ammo is what I say.

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thanks for the update on the fanaticism and gutter depravity if my fellow citizens. Maybe I'll move outa this free-market Scheisseloche even sooner.

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

A close race in the mecca of liberalism?

This is bad for Obama no matter who wins or how they and the media try to spin it.

Posted by: sophic | January 19, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, big words. I must be one of those elitist with a university education. Real Americans live in single-wides and have GEDs
Posted by: Noacoler
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I live in a triler next to Jimmy Carville. I have eith grad edumacation. My buds think the elitists have started a liberal descendancy that will last for 40 years.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler we haven't even begun to buy yet. I go through 10,000 rounds from April to August every year. I intend on going through twice to 3 times that amount of Ammo this year, more guns more ammo is what I say.

Posted by: jfbyers | January 19, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

What to Watch For?

Watch for ACORN,

The telltale signs to look for:

1) more votes in your district than voters

2) names like Mickey Mouse, Goofy, Daffy Duck, Fog Horn, Porky Pig and Al Gore on the voting list along with lots of dead people...

3) don't be fooled by the media ignoring these serious abnormalities...

4) Panthers with AK-47s at voting booths asking for your party affiliation...

5) unknown Czars running the voting booths...

6) Electronic voting machines on the Democrat side and old punch card voting devices that were shown defective in the "hanging chad" years on the Republican side

7) stramge people outside handing out money to certain people

Posted by: sophic | January 19, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

THE OBAMA ERROR THAT FUELED THE BROWN CAMPAIGN:

Putting Health Care Reform Before Restoration of the Rule of Law -- Decimated Under Eight Years of the Bush-Cheney Reign of Terror

What good is health care reform when a multi-agency federal-local extrajudicial Gestapo has infiltrated health care facilities nationwide with community "watch" vigilantes who compromise the care of so-called "targeted" Americans?

SECRET MULTI-AGENCY HOMELAND-DIRECTED PROGRAM SILENTLY TORTURES, IMPAIRS, SUBJUGATES, U.S. CITIZENS WITH MICROWAVE/LASER CELL TOWER/SATELLITE RADIATION WEAPONS, FINANCIAL SABOTAGE, AND LOCAL 'COMMUNITY WATCH' VIGILANTISM, SAYS VETERAN JOURNALIST

* Thousands of Americans, deemed to be "dissidents" or undesirables, targeted by Bush legacy program for debilitating, cell tower- based microwave/laser assault, held hostage in their own homes to fed-supported vigilante "community policing" stalking units, equipped with warrantless GPS devices, who vandalize and terrorize as local police look the other way.

* "Directed energy weapons" -- a nationwide installation employing cell towers and satellites -- induce weakness, exhaustion, mood changes, pain, head and body aches, physical and neurological impairment, strokes, aneurysms, cancer -- and many victims do not realize what is making them sick.

* Regional Homeland Security- administered "fusion centers" reportedly serve as command centers for covert electromagnetic radiation attacks, pervasive surveillance, financial sabotage of those identified as "dissidents," "trouble-makers" or slandered as threats to society.

* Use of microwave weaponry to torture and impair political opponents recently confirmed by deposed Honduras President Manuel Zelaya.

* Pleas for justice, to local police and FBI, go unanswered -- as do demands for a Department of Justice Civil Rights Division investigation and congressional hearings.

"These are crimes against humanity and the Constitution, being perpetrated under the cover of national security and 'safe streets' by multiple federal and local agencies and commands -- an American genocide hiding in plain sight, enabled by the naivete of those who think 'it can't happen here.'" -- Victor Livingston, former reporter for WTXF-TV Philadelphia, Phila. Bulletin, N.Y. Daily News, St. Petersburg Times; producer/host, MSG Network Sports Business Report; columnist, NowPublic.com/scrivener.

See: "U.S. Silently Tortures Americans with Cell Tower Microwaves" and "Gestapo USA; Fed-Funded Vigilante Network Terrorizes Americans" at:

Poynter.org (Journalism groups -- Reporting)
http://www.poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list)

Posted by: scrivener50 | January 19, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I live in Newton, Massachusetts, a large, liberal and strongly Democratic stronghold 7 miles outside Boston. The turnout has been extremely heavy here. At 3 PM, more than 50 percent of all registered voters had cast ballots at my precinct in Newton Highlands.
Three other adjacent precincts were also over 50 percent turnout. It's raining here, but snowing heavily in some outlying areas where Brown is expected to do well.

Posted by: bird-1 | January 19, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

But almost immediately, Obama, again, in Platonic fashion, began to say things that could not possibly be true.

The Deadline Lies. Remember those? You’ve seen that sort of “if you don’t, then you….” in the supermarket when the poor harried mom has the three-year-old kid screaming and kicking on the aisle floor, and screams back as she blocks shoppers, “If you yell one more time, I’m going to spank you!” — as he screams and kicks all the louder.

Guantanamo shut by January 21, 2010? Iran in non-proliferation compliance by the U.N. summit or the G-20 meetings or the October face-to-face negotiations or the first of the new year? Remember healthcare done by the summer break? By Thanksgiving? By Christmas or else? By the first of the year? So too, we forget the promises, so frequent and impossible they now seem.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I live in Newton, Massachusetts, a large, liberal and strongly Democratic stronghold 7 miles outside Boston. The turnout has been extremely heavy here. At 3 PM, more than 50 percent of all registered voters had cast ballots at my precinct in Newton Highlands.
Three other adjacent precincts were also over 50 percent turnout. It's raining here, but snowing heavily in some outlying areas where Brown is expected to do well.

Posted by: bird-1 | January 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

But almost immediately, Obama, again, in Platonic fashion, began to say things that could not possibly be true.

Tactical Lies. Then there are the tactical lies to achieve the desired ends in “that was then/this is now” fashion. Turn to Orwell’s Animal Farm for the right landscape. Healthcare debate on C-SPAN/healthcare debate behind congressional doors. Taxes on Cadillac health plans were an inane McCain idea/taxes on Cadillac health plans are a way to eliminate waste and fraud; stupid, clueless Bush was pushing unpopular Social Security reform that 65% of the people didn’t want/wise, hip Obama is pushing noble healthcare reform that 65% of the people don’t want. The list is endless and started in 2007 with public campaign financing as good for dark horse candidates/public campaign financing as bad for front-runner cash cows. Apparently two or three “let me be perfectly clear”s and 3-4 “make no mistake about it”s — when prefaced to something like “no more lobbyists in government” or “posting legislation well in advance on the internet” — make it all so.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Attention WaPo hack writer: It is the South Shore not the "South Coast".

I can tell you are not from Massachusetts.

Posted by: screwjob2 | January 19, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If the people of Massachusetts ignore history by electing Scott Brown to the Senate, I anticipate a serious case of buyer’s remorse setting in shortly thereafter. It won’t take long for citizens of that notoriously blue state to realize that they’re stuck with an obstructionist, GOP hack eager to repeat the tragic follies of the Bush-era.

Read more @ http://armchairfirebrand.wordpress.com/

Posted by: ArmchairFirebrand | January 19, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

middle class Americans lose when one party rules, whether it be Republicans or Democrats.

Posted by: djrhood | January 19, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

But almost immediately, Obama, again, in Platonic fashion, began to say things that could not possibly be true.

The “noble” lies. These are untruths aimed at the common good. In Cairo, we were told Muslims did all sorts of wonderful things in the past like invented printing and sparked the Renaissance and Enlightenment. Why not fabricate and exaggerate when the intentions are global ecumenicalism?

Remember the new tactic of assessing job losses by “jobs saved”? And why not, since we wish to bolster our spirits and believe that our borrowing was not wasted on pork-barrel insanities, rather than “investments” that created “millions of green jobs” that otherwise would not have existed?

And we must believe that health care reform as envisioned by the Obama massive state assumption of private insured care will save “trillions in waste and fraud.” Believe that, and at last the dream of “universal healthcare” is obtainable.

Remember the phrase “using all our resources” during the high energy prices of the 2008 campaign? Obama then was a centrist who would drill, develop nuclear, look for more gas, burn coal — all to tide us over as we waited for the dream of Van Jones. That too was a noble lie, necessary for we fools to cling to, while the anointed fashioned a “green” cap-and-trade future for us.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

But almost immediately, Obama, again, in Platonic fashion, began to say things that could not possibly be true.

The bait and switch lies. Here, we, the eager voters, were told that there are no more bad blue/red state dichotomies. We are a purple America. Instead, we immediately witnessed the demonization of the supposed “rich” (I say supposed, because the Buffet/Gates/Turner plutocrat is exempt), who are not “patriotic,” do not wish to “spread the wealth,” and must “pay their fair share.” Some deluded voters in November, 2008, went for Obama on promises of a new kinder, gentler politics. They got instead the most partisan, nasty Chicago politicking in memory.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

backwoods: you don't understand it correctly, in fact you're not even close. Your incomprehension appears fatuous.

Yeah, big words. I must be one of those elitist with a university education. Real Americans live in single-wides and have GEDs

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse


Coakley 52.5
Brown 45.6
Kennedy 1.8

Coakley finds pulse. Health care reform on track.

Posted by: prairiepopulist | January 19, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

If the people of Massachusetts ignore history by electing Scott Brown to the Senate, I anticipate a serious case of buyer’s remorse setting in shortly thereafter. It won’t take long for citizens of that notoriously blue state to realize that they’re stuck with an obstructionist, GOP hack eager to repeat the tragic follies of the Bush-era.

Read more @ http://armchairfirebrand.wordpress.com/

Posted by: ArmchairFirebrand | January 19, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The American people are losing confidence in Team Obama because quite simply they are tiring of being lied to, and treated like children in need of Ivy-League Platonic guardians.

Yes, they intrinsically liked Obama and put away for a time their suspicions that he had not come clean on his real ideological intentions, his radical leftist past, his intimate association with the creepy Rev. Wright, and his partisanship that had made him the most liberal senator in the Congress. But almost immediately, Obama, again, in Platonic fashion, began to say things that could not possibly be true.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

So if I understand correctly it doesn't make any difference what a politician has done in the past, it matters only what they promise to do in the future. Now I understand how so many people get duped.

Posted by: backwoods_intellect | January 19, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

The American equity markets at a 15 month high. Remember back when Bush was President, fifteen months ago?

Well investors world wide have bet their money that our dollar and these companies are going to be worth more in the future than they were then.

The only Obama has to fear is a jobless recovery.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 19, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Now come up with one from the last 30 years.

A real one, I mean, not a fantasy like "Reagan defeated the Soviets" or happy-talk like "bush kept us safe."

Posted by: Noacoler
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Jan. 20, 2010 - Brown helps push neocom statism closer to the scrap heap of history.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

JakeD


You are correct - however the Massachusetts race is based on Obama being soft on terrorism too.


Obama has been ignoring the economy all year.


The democrats are completely out of touch with what America needs - and we have all sorts of arrogant statements out of them to confirm that.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The Honolulu Police Department spent $248,000 in overtime costs to help protect President Obama and his family during their recent 10-day O'ahu vacation — more than twice as much as when Obama visited in 2008 as president-elect.

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Bush never went anywhere without a 130-piece entourage.

Protecting Obama might be cheaper if you Gomers weren't buying ammo by the boxcar load and living in paranoid conspiracy fantasies

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I see the market had an outstanding day today in anticipation of freezing socialism in its tracks with a repub victory emerging from the heart of communist america.

The Senate is likely to shut down entirely with the combination of spineless harry reid's leadership, the extreme leftism of the obama direction and the overall utter dissatisfaction of the people with barr's desires.

that scenario is of course an excellent prognosis for the market and for the country in general. the only thing left to worry about now will be getting killed by maniacs who Obama will promptly honor and apologize to.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

shooting in the dark? What the hell are you talking about?
Name one (1) GOP idea that hasn't failed.
Posted by: Noacoler
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Emancipation.

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exactly. 145 years ago. Seven generations.

Now come up with one from the last 30 years.

A real one, I mean, not a fantasy like "Reagan defeated the Soviets" or happy-talk like "bush kept us safe."

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

There is exit polling being undertaken. It is being done so by the pollsters themselves. I forget the name of the poll, but it is being undertaken under their own direction.

Mass. If you don't want another liberal extremist, it ain't over till its over. Go out and vote BROWN, you can eat, sleep, and do whatever later.

Good luck to BROWN.

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss | January 19, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Gotta wonder if Sgt. Crowley supporters are delivering one helluva collective counter-punch to Henry Louis Gates and his Patron-in-Chief!

After all, it was in Mass. that Dr. Pompous, Professor of Victimology, disrespected Cambridge's Finest when they came to his aid. Ultimately, perhaps it was Obama who "acted stupidly."

We'll know in a few hours. Perhaps Gates will do a PBS special on it? I can't wait.

Posted by: RealityCheckerInEffect | January 19, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Boston.com briefly put up this map of the final results of today's election -- some 8 hours before polls closed!As you can see, over 2 million people voted, with Coakley eking out a 50-49 victory.The map was fully interactive, so you could roll over and get town-by-town results -- above we show Coakley taking Cohasset 56-43.

http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2010/01/19/boston-globe-calls-election-for-martha-coakley.aspx

It is Who COUNTS the votes that matter.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

There is no exit polling - to ask questions like


How much do you hate Obama?


Is your vote motivated by your dislike for Obama's health care plan ?


Do you believe Obama is soft on terror?

Do you think Obama is bringing the country in the right direction or the wrong direction?

If the election were held today, would you vote for Obama?


No exit polls? That can't be right.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The Honolulu Police Department spent $248,000 in overtime costs to help protect President Obama and his family during their recent 10-day O'ahu vacation — more than twice as much as when Obama visited in 2008 as president-elect.

Good at spending other people's money.

Don't expect any partying at the White House on Wednesday. Press secretary Robert Gibbs says nothing special is being planned to take note of Barack Obama's first year as president. Obama took the oath of office on the steps of the Capitol around noon on Jan. 20, 2009. Gibbs acknowledged that Wednesday is an "anniversary of types" but says the staff isn't focused on marking the first year.

how about a wake?

One thing everyone will be in agreement on, at this years' SOTU speech, we HOPE for CHANGE. go Brown go.

all the kooks on this board are always denying the plummeting polls of barry. now with an actual election (ignoring the previous two stomps in VA and NJ) verifying that the nation detests the direction liberals have dragged us, will you concede you need to stop racing toward socialism?

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

shooting in the dark? What the hell are you talking about?
Name one (1) GOP idea that hasn't failed.
Posted by: Noacoler
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Emancipation.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should note that the polls varied widely in this race, so its not exactly clear who has the lead, or by how much. The turn out is very large in Boston, and if that is not matched in suburbs MS Coakley should win if this author is right.

As for liberals pissed off because they did not get everything they wanted on Health Care, they are in a fanasty world. How exactly was Pres Obama supposed to move the 5-10 or so Senate votes who were dead set against a public option? Remember they had zero votes to spare in the Senate, so explain to me the dynamics of getting Liberman, and company to vote for the Public option, or move 5-10 Republicans to an even more liberal appearing plan?
Exactly how is that possible in the Real World?
The votes for a robust public option were not there, period.

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | January 19, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Early exit polls in the Gardner, Fitchburg and Peabody areas show Brown leading by 14, 17, and 15% points. While too early to call a lock similar continued results by 2 – 3pm should confirm the loss by Martha Coakley. All three early predictors have Scott Brown gaining over 50% of the states voters in a sweeping come from behind victory.


where's BJ with his peloony talking points about journalistic polling standards and the propoganda about the fantasy repub win.

No way barry is going to shake the smell of failure off himself now. Still waiting for that first initial success. It's been a long year.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

All the Repubs on this board are going to look pretty silly tomorrow when Coakley wins easily.

Posted by: chi-town | January 19, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I can't tell who is more annoying - the ped or the sped?

Perhaps their little love affair can continue tonight after we have all gone to bed, as usual.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

backwoods_intellectual: Klein picks up on the mootness of Brown's position on the ideological spectrum:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/01/it_doesnt_matter_if_brown_is_a.html

Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The TOPIC is turnout and wonder[ing] about the outcome of today's special Senate election between state Sen. Scott Brown (R) and state Attorney Martha Coakley (D). If anyone else wants to argue that is not based on Obamacare, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"I have never been banned -- see the difference?"


An oversight on the part of our gracious host, I assure you.

Topicality please!


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Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"The question is WHY DOES MY PLAN gets taxed before 2018?!"


Our gracious host's request that we stay on topic & not respond to the trolls precludes further response. I deeply apologize, we'll have to pick this up on the next healthcare thread.


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Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Man, this guy needs to become more well-versed in Mass. geography. The Beltway? The South Coast? I've never heard of these places... I've heard of the South Shore and the 128 Belt. I've never heard Fall River/New Bedford area called the South Coast. I've heard them called something that rhymes with "pitholes," but not the South Coast. And people from Southie and Dorchester vote Democratic generally.

Posted by: Beantown317 | January 19, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Im a liberal Dem and I hope she loses, so maybe the Dems will open up their eyes and start to do what the American people elected them to do,they have been taking every thing for granted and not fighting for what they want like the health-care bill that had a public option that the people supported and they turn it into a bill of S### The President did not fight for the bill nor did the Democrats this bill that they are trying to shove thru is not what ther American people wanted The American people wanted accountability for insurence companies affordable insurence for Americans, not these back room deals with drug companies or back room deals with senators and auto unions. Who speaks for me and the People that put these A holes in office The hell with this 60 vote s### 51 votes that is what the Dem's should have done with the health-care bill No body in the Democartic party has a set of balls

Posted by: mernatti123 | January 19, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

Mr. Cillizza's wishes was that we ignore / shame those who have been banned but returned under new names -- I have never been banned -- see the difference?

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

was just thinking I should've added a Fix-like comment about soundrack, which is Bjork, when the line (from The Modern Things) "Listening to the irritating voices" came on. How apropos.

Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

The question is WHY DOES MY PLAN gets taxed before 2018?!

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"I thought that you said it wouldn't snow today?!"

Your memory is inaccurate. I speculated on what the weather would be, based on a forecast through yesterday, given a week ago. As I recall it said rain/snow mix yesterday through end of day.

Really though, I should respect Mr Cillizza's wishes and ignore the trolls.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Better get used to it, Jake, nobody here has any respect for you so don't expect your whining to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"Why should the same exact UNION healthcare insurance NOT be taxed 40%?"

It will be, starting in 2018.

If you're unhappy about potentially being liable for the tax, maybe you should see if you can renegotiate for a plan that's more efficient. Basically what you're telling us right now is that you picked a plan that promotes coverage that is wasteful in terms of cost vs outcomes. Maybe that's desireable if someone else pays the bills; but it doesn't make much sense to me.

Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly, Ted Kennedy Was Seated The Day After his 1962 Special Election ... Will GOP Demand Same If Brown Wins Tonight?

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Plathman: there will be no such reflection by Repiblicans, they don't do reflection.

They'll regard it as a win just like NY23 and they will continue to run unelectable teabaggers, maybe even Pongid Barbie in 2012.

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

I thought that you said it wouldn't snow today?! More good news for the GOP:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/poll-if-us-voted-on-ma-sen-brown-would-win-big.php

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

bstanman83:

Please just ignore him, thanks.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

backwoods_intellect writes
"The Fox News parrots on this site, and around the internet, are hilarious. Here's a little reality check for you: if Brown were running nearly anywhere else in the country it would have to be as a moderate Democrat. He would be laughed out of a Republican caucus/primary."


On the one hand, I agree with your point. On the other, it remains to be seen whether Mr Brown would vote in the US Senate the way he's voted in MA. There aren't a whole lot of members of the GOP caucus that challenge party leadership. Scott Brown doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that's going to compromise with Obama or the Dems on anything - it would kill his support among the reactionaries that are voting for him today. Or do you think he'll stick it to 'em, with hopes of keeping the seat when 2012 rolls around?

Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Simply replace liberal for white people:


White people spend a lot of time of worrying about poor people. It takes up a pretty significant portion of their day.

They feel guilty and sad that poor people shop at Wal*Mart instead of Whole Foods, that they vote Republican instead of Democratic, that they go to Community College/get a job instead of studying art at a University.

It is a poorly guarded secret that, deep down, white people believe if given money and education that all poor people would be EXACTLY like them. In fact, the only reason that poor people make the choices they do is because they have not been given the means to make the right choices and care about the right things.

A great way to make white people feel good is to tell them about situations where poor people changed how they were doing things because they were given the ‘whiter’ option. “Back in my old town, people used to shop at Wal*Mart and then this non-profit organization came in and set up a special farmers co-op so that we could buy more local produce, and within two weeks the Wal*Mart shut down and we elected our first Democratic representative in 40 years.” White people will first ask which non-profit and are they hiring? After that, they will be filled with euphoria and will invite you to more parties to tell this story to their friends, so that they can feel great.

But it is ESSENTIAL that you reassert that poor people do not make decisions based on free will. That news could crush white people and their hope for the future.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

plathman:

Not at all, since there was no expectation that Brown would ever win this race, it will still send shock waves to the Dems if he comes up a few thousand votes short.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler, that is pretty offensive.

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shooting in the dark? What the hell are you talking about?

Name one (1) GOP idea that hasn't failed.

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: backwoods_intellect
The Fox News parrots on this site, and around the internet, are hilarious. Here's a little reality check for you: if Brown were running nearly anywhere else in the country it would have to be as a moderate Democrat. He would be laughed out of a Republican caucus/primary.
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I don't care if Brown works in an abortion clinic in his spare time. All I care about is that he will vote against Obama, Reid and Pelosi. That makes him the most valuable REPUBLICAN on the planet right now.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | January 19, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

artetal:

I retired in 1994 from a non-union job, but I still "negotiated" a retirement package that includes healthcare insurance for the rest of my and my wife's lives. Why should the same exact UNION healthcare insurance NOT be taxed 40%?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

the pollsters are uncomfortable with saying brown's a sure thing (see link below). it'll be interesting to see how it's spun if it turns out to be a big win, since any win at this point will count as big, for coakley.

while we're talking about republican triumphalism and the end of democrats' momentum, this could turn out really badly for the republicans, right? i mean, if this is cast as a referendum on obama's agenda (i.e. health care) and coakley wins, then that counts as a huge defeat for the republicans. confoundingly, then, a democrat winning a statewide race in MA can count as both an upset and a big boost to obama's momentum.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31666.html

Posted by: plathman | January 19, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Politico is reporting an internal Coakley memo blaming that national democrats for this debacle: one interesting point made - the polls started to shift in late Dec when the terrorism issue came up.

Also, the democrats voted on the health care bill Dec 24?


The public took issue with the strange voting time - why would the Senate vote late on a Saturday night, and the House on a holiday ? It just spacks of doing something in hiding, when they think few people would notice.

Interesting that the memo brings up the terrorism issue - and the images of Obama on the golf course while he issues statement after statement which gradually changes his stance.

I think more people know that Obama released terrorists to Yemen right before this incident than people realize.

Boston is EXTREMELY SENSITIVE on the terrorism issue because 2 of the planes on 9/11 took off from Boston.

Obama being soft on terrorism I think started this whole downward trend for Coakley.

Let me be clear: today's election is nothing less than a message directly to Obama.


If the report last night that Obama wants to be "definant" is correct, this administration is a disaster without hope.


How ironic.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

artetal:

Nothing to be "confused" about. Unions own Pelosi and Obama, that's the bottom line.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Our gracious host has asked us all to simply ignore / shame those who won't leave after being banned:

"A note on the banned commenters:

I have been banning people both by username and IP address but have noticed a desire on the part of some [ChrisFox8/GoldandTanzanite/SeattleTop and Noacoler] to use proxy servers to come back with different, unbanned IP addresses.

The truth is that if they want to go to those lengths, I can't do much other than keep banning them.

But, I keep wondering: Why, if they hate the blog so much, do they go through so much trouble to keep participating?

Chris"

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | January 5, 2010 8:34 AM

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

No, you did it:

The White House would have helped out Martha Coakley's campaign earlier if she had only asked, White House senior adviser David Axelrod said today. President Obama made a last minute campaign stop for Coakley on Sunday, but many Democrats wondered why he didn't make an earlier, stronger push. "The White House did everything we were asked to do," Axelrod told reporters today, according go the Baltimore Sun.

I guess no one asked them to keep us safe or fix the economy yet.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler, that is pretty offensive.

Posted by: bstanman83 | January 19, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

about the unions health benefits and taxation. They are included as part of their pay when THAT is negotiated. confuses me also. loopholes upon loopholes and I another LIB if you will only now we are called PROGRESSIVES.

Posted by: artetal | January 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

How refreshing it would be for a liberal pol to step up to the mike and say "I suck, that's why I lost."
 
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How refreshing it would be for a Republican to step up to the mike and say “My ideas didn’t work.”
 
Deregulation doesn’t liberate any supernatural magic, occupying invaders aren’t welcomed as liberators, money doesn’t think, free availability of guns elevates the murder rate, the glaciers really are melting .. come to think of it, this would have Republicans too busy doing mea culpas to do anything else since *none* of their ideas work.

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Middlesex is a county, not a community. Large, diverse towns/cities, diverse populations.

The death toll started tolling for Martha the day she started gearing up for her run for the Senate, BEFORE Mr Kennedy passed away. She has been waiting for this run for years, you could see her constantly positioning herself in the media. Too bad she screwed it all up by assuming she was going to win without any effort.

However, I do hope she wins because Brown would be a disaster for the state and the country.

Posted by: silverknot | January 19, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Another storm cell is approaching Providence, RI and should be right over southern MA just in time for 5-8 pm polling : )

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

so that's the spin sent out by madame peloony:

He's a democrat anyway so it's win / win.

funny, just last week he was akin to Stalin and Khan.

but I predicted this change of scenery.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

artetal:

Unfortunately for you, it's snowing right now in Boston / Cambridge.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The Fox News parrots on this site, and around the internet, are hilarious. Here's a little reality check for you: if Brown were running nearly anywhere else in the country it would have to be as a moderate Democrat. He would be laughed out of a Republican caucus/primary.

Posted by: backwoods_intellect | January 19, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm turning blue. Holding my breath isn't good for me. this is soooo important to the total thrust of the Obama presidency. I hope my fellow Democrats care enough to get out and VOTE. . .

Posted by: artetal | January 19, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

the finger pointing begins.

The Coakley campaign is bridling at finger-pointing from the White House and Washington Democrats, and outside adviser to the campaign has provided to POLITICO a memo aimed at rebutting the charge that Coakley failed, and making the case that national Democrats failed her.

I thought Bush did it?

Is there a person in the entire Democrat party that is NOT a VICTIM?


How refreshing it would be for a liberal pol to step up to the mike and say "I suck, that's why I lost."

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

diesel_skins_:

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

theobserver4:

I wanted the big banks / Wall Street firms who were too risky to FAIL! That's way different than telling firms that played it safe you cannot pay bonuses.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Best harbinger for a Coakley win is that Gomer and Cletus and Jimmy-Bob are already screaming about ACORN. Talk about paralysis.

I hope Coakley wins by a recount squeaker, close enough to give the Democrats a wakeup call and they get serious about the economy and regulating (if not abolishing) the financial sector, and a better stimulus package.

Even if Brown wins he'll be a one-termer and the 60 vote caucus is illusory anyway since it includes that Israeli swine Lieberman and GOP-lite types like Nelson.

56% of *Republicans* don't want Barbie to run. What do you say now, "JakeD?"

Posted by: Noacoler | January 19, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

This just in: BROWN TEABAGS OBAMA!

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 19, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Please - someone please tell me how the unions get to be exempt the 40% cadillac tax - yet - as also a middle class worker - I must be taxed? WTF?

Posted by: short1 | January 19, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Western Mass - Coakley needs a huge margin out of what I call the "Rachel Maddow Belt" - the Berkshires, where she has roots, and the Pioneer Valley. She probably needs a 5,000 vote lead out of Amherst and high turnout in places like Springfield, Pittsfield, and Northampton.

2) The I-495 Ring - This is Brown's bread and butter, and he needs to rack up big leads in towns like Haverhill, Dracut, Marlborough, and his home area near Wrentham and Foxborough. These are the places where Mitt Romney broke through to win the governorship in 2002.

3) The Cape and Southeastern Mass - The Kennedy belt. Barnstable and Plymouth Counties are presumably the places where Kennedy's memory ought to rescue Coakley in the eleventh hour. Brown will probably narrowly win the TOWNS of Plymouth and Barnstable, which are usually bellwethers. If Coakley carries either, she will probably be on her way to winning statewide. If Brown wins both with more than 55%, watch out.

4) The 8th CD - The heart of liberal Massachusetts needs to come out in a big way for Coakley if she is to have a shot. Cambridge should turn out dependably, but will the Boston machine crank out votes at the same rate as other places in the state? Will Capuano's voters be as enthusiastic about this race after they didn't get their man?

5) The Catholic south shore - Will working class Democrats stick with their party or defect to Brown? This is the key area to watch in that respect. Brown will probably win Braintree and Weymouth, but the town to watch is Quincy. If Coakley can't hold onto Quincy, she will probably lose.

6) The ethnic cities - Does Coakley get at least half of Obama's votes in each of Worcester, Fall River, New Bedford, Lowell, and Lawrence? These are places that will vote Democratic 2-to-1 or more, but where voters need lots of engagement to mobilize.


The Swing State Project also has a useful map that shows what to look for when the results come streaming in.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/massachusetts-election-results-what-watch

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

ExperimentalTheologian:

What I and others don't "deserve" is to be taxed 40% on our non-union healthcare plans when the exact same UNION healthcare plans aren't taxed at all (until 2018, bsimon1 and mark_in_austin ; )

Posted by: JakeD

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I'm also going to get wacked with this bogus 40% health care tax, but I don't recall seeing you comment that Wall St d-bags should have had their bonuses clawed back. I believe the argument was they had an arrangement. Well guess what pal.....so did these Union workers. So if we're not going to stop the multi-billion dollar rewards for failure on Wall St then I say don't tax the family man factory worker's health care either. Between the two of these groups I see one that already has the inside track and one who is constantly pooped on. It's nice that the little guy got a bone this time around.

They can renegotiate under the new reality when their current contracts are up. Fair is fair.

Posted by: theobserver4 | January 19, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

parkbench:

I wish.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is this woman handing out blank absentee ballots?
Election Journal, by by EJ These appear to be blank absentee ballots being handed out in Lawrence, MA. Developing

Umm, because she is a Lib and works for Acorn.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

To The Massachusetts voters: You can save America by voting in state Sen. Scott Brown. He willl be a great supporter of your state and America. Good luck to you and all of us in America.

Posted by: davidkrueger | January 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

There actually ARE some exit polls in MA today being done in bellwether precincts by the Scott campaign. In at least one in the Boston suburbs, he was up by 12 at noon. Voting officials release raw numbers of total votes cast several times each day so they can tell how turnout is going. Heavy in Brown country, light in central Boston.
For the absentee ballots (8% of eligible voters) which have been counted, Brown is up by 12.

Keep whistling past the graveyard if it makes you feel better. Denial doesn't change the facts.

“If you are looking for an analogy for a Republican victory in Massachusetts, the best one for Democrats may well be the stock market crash of 1929. Come Tuesday night, you could have Democrats jumping out windows and off roofs …” – Stuart Rothenberg, in his column this morning.


Posted by: parkbench | January 19, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

When will Pelosi and crew get wise. The MAIN reason and the only reason there is a close race in MA - IS OBAMACARE. Face it - in a state that is 80% Democratic - the main issue resonating is Obamacare....In the FACT they do not want it. The arrogance of Pelosi and her court to arrogantly ignore this fact - go against the wil of the people...and you other Dems in Red states and for that matter blue states...just look at MA - kiss your jobs goodbye come Nov 2010 if you stay lock step with your leader and march within your funeral procession. You all just dont get it..ITS THE POLICIES...repeat after me..ITS THE POLICIES...again..but louder ..again..again...Pelosi is parading you all to the edge of teh cliff..dont believe me..look to NJ, VA and NOW MA. All (d) states...

Posted by: short1 | January 19, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the democrats have been deluding themselves all year - we are in an ECONOMIC CRISIS - And what are they doing? They just spent the whole year working on a health care plan which no one wants.

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Posted by: 37thand0street

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I wanted health care to be within the top 3 priorities of this Federal gov't. For while we are indeed in an economic crisis the fact is that part of it is directly related to our sub-par health care system and the bleeding of jobs to anywhere else in the world where companies DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR HEALTH CARE. We're at a competitive disadvantage until we get this taken care of and we'll keep sliding backwards until the obnoxious and very loud minority can come to terms with this reality and contribute rather than shout "NO!" based on some pathetic old timer ideology.

Posted by: theobserver4 | January 19, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Acorn 2, america 0...

the seat goes to the croakly critter.

Posted by: simonsays1 | January 19, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

ExperimentalTheologian:

What I and others don't "deserve" is to be taxed 40% on our non-union healthcare plans when the exact same UNION healthcare plans aren't taxed at all (until 2018, bsimon1 and mark_in_austin ; )

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"If the Dems lose, they deserve it."

Yes, true, but if they lose, we don't deserve it and will unfortunately get it like it or not. I have no respect for Democrats who don't have the strength to get out and vote even if the Messiah isn't running this time. Discipline, dammit!

Posted by: ExperimentalTheologian | January 19, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Dorchester actually ought to be a strong Coakley area, since it's majority minority. The Globe's site has anecdotal evidence of poor voter turnout there, though. Actually, the voter reports on boston.com might be about as close as you'll get to an exit poll in this race.

In general, geographically, Massachusetts is pretty politically uniform. Obama won every county, and there are virtually no Republicans in the state legislature, yet the overall tilt of the state in presidential elections (averaging 60-40 for the Dems) is not totally overwhelming. It'll be interesting to see how this race creates political differences between regions.

Posted by: jeffwacker | January 19, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Loud and Dumb is annoyed that DDAWD has usurped his stooge position. Imagine begin too stupid to be a stooge.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Watch for all the absentee ballots being handed out to come back with over 100,000 dead people voting for the Lib.

there is no limit to the corruption and vice the Democrats will enact to maintain their tenuous grip on power.

Posted by: drivl | January 19, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

wheeljc


Obama and the democrats have been deluding themselves all year - we are in an ECONOMIC CRISIS - And what are they doing? They just spent the whole year working on a health care plan which no one wants.

The website, which was supposed to track the jobs, is so full of errors and deceptions they have decided not to even trying to fix it.

Poltico had an article saying the White House was going to be "defiant" now - defiant agains who? The American People? How stupid could that be? They are in there to do what the people want.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

wheeljc:

We call him Robert "Baghdad Bob" Gibbs around here ; )

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry - ACORN and SEIU will manufacture enough votes to pull this out for Coakley easily. They were a little slow at the start, but their printing presses are on the job now.

In fact, ACORN already provided the final election results to the Boston Globe at noon, so we don't need to wait!

Posted by: pgr88 | January 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

koolkat_1960:

Nothing you can say can make me mad, as the THREAD TOPIC is "What to watch for in the Massachusetts special election".

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Democrats can rest easy. Regardless how the real votes tally, you can bet that the Chicago Machine has already unleashed a swarm of lawyers, ACORN and SEIU members to "fix" the election. This single election is just too important to leave to the voters. Too much at stake. Obama's agenda is at stake.

Posted by: whosiwhatzit | January 19, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris, Robert 'GLIBB' Gibbs is blaming the anger in Mass on George W. Bush. Could some of you political writers get to this guy and let him know that Bush left a year ago??

Gibbs is now beginning to add to the LACK OF CREDIBILITY of TEAM OBAMA!! Does he just not know what the truth really is??

Posted by: wheeljc | January 19, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

JakeD -- no comment on the latest Palin poll results? She's never going to be president; how are you dealing with this realization?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | January 19, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

leonardpa06:

That's assuming that Obama is legally "President" ; )

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

As Posted by armpeg above:

"It's funny to see the far-lefty Obama--worshippers here, and in the Democrap Socialist--controlled Main Stream Media, whistling past the graveyard trying to put their spin on a probable Brown win in the most liberal, most Democrap Socialist--controlled state in the country, Mass.
A Scott Brown win will in fact be an indicator of things to come in the midterm elections come November, and will signal to all but his most rabit supporters, that Obama's presidentcy, is a failed presidentcy."

In response, Call me a liberal, a liberebel, Liberty/ Rebel, because we are the rebels. The Rebels of 1776, who brought you Democracy, and that is what we are trying to bring back. This commentor is Def’ a fanatical righty, and probably a teabagger. And I feel sorry for them, they want the same things as we lib rebels want, a return to the Constitution. But they are deceived by the smokescreen. And BTW, Mr Obamas Presidency is not failed, (after all he just succeeded bailing out your butt), Obamas Presidency is not over, it has just begun.

Posted by: leonardpa06 | January 19, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

If your want a Nation like Calif. Keep voting for Left wing Democrats!

California the Golden state, American future, is fast becoming the poster child for an bankrupt third world State! If Obama & the Democrats are successful the Calif. Nightmare will soon be the Nation,s Nightmare!

An unholy alliance of Socialist Democrat politicians, Unions, and Illegal Aliens supporters are feasting at the trough of tax payers paid benefits while taxing & regulating business and the tax paying public into poverty.

The pandering of Left Wing Democrat Politicians to their constituency of Unions, Illegal Aliens and open border supporters, are driving business and citizens to other states & countries, while leaving the parasites & welfare leeches in an increasing bankrupt, crime ridden, dysfunctional state!

For years California has ignored economics 101 and imported Criminals, Uneducated Peons, and poverty from Mexico, which increased Medical, Welfare, Crime, Prison, etc. & adding a estimated 10 to 16 billion per year to Calif. State expense to support the invading horde of Illegal Aliens while exporting business and educated tax payers.

Like all Socialist countries the results have been a astronomical increase in social welfare, schooling, prison cost etc. and a lowing of Living standards, Heath care, Education standards, Tax receipts & finally Bankruptcy.

The policies of Obama and Wash. DC Democrats are intent on following Calif. policies and Pro-Illegal Aliens and Anti-tax paying citizens and are endorsing the same socialist process of rewarding the Corrupt, Stupid, Foolish, Lazy, Greedy & Criminal while punishing the responsible, honest, law abiding & hard working citizens of American.

Failure to abide by our Constitution against invasion & enforce our Immigration laws and constraints on wages and benefits for public employees will result in turning the Golden State into MexiCalif and the end of the Calif. Dream and the beginning of the MexiCalif. Nightmare!

Amnesty & Citizenship as a reward for their invasion of the USA, will result in the rest of the USA turned into a Spanish speaking third world cesspool and follow California into a polluted, over populated, Spanish speaking, third world Nation of Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Cruelly & Misery modeled on Mexico!

This will result in a population depending on Welfare and the Democrat party, thus assuring the lock on power for the Socialist Democrat party of the United States of Mexico!

Posted by: american1 | January 19, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

A very curious notion that the elected officials, elected in large majorities in both houses, and a president with the clearest mandatein decades, have "taken power away from the people." We the people elected them to empower them. How is that taking power away from the people? If we expect representatives to do what every poll says at whatever moment of the day it is then why bother having our system at all? Just take a poll on every issue, and if you can sway public opinion the next day then change policy tomorrow....


EXACTLY what our system is designed to PREVENT. republicons still can't fathomthat they are in a small minority, so just because they don't agree does not mean the "will of the people" or democratic representation is being voided. In fact, it is the opposiute. These fools think if they carry enough weapons to public rallies and scream lies often and loud enough that makes a democracy. It just makes mob rule and the death of the republic.

Posted by: John1263 | January 19, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

bstanman83:

Hopefully, you've already voted?

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If Scott Brown wins in Massachusetts Coakley,The Democratic Party will come down so hard on her that her live may not be worth a plug nickle. She will be run out of this State on a Rail by her Party .
It will be great to see this fools in Massachusetts go down in flames.

Posted by: cj362810 | January 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Cilizza, I don't find a whole lot of value-add in what you say generally. I'm a life-long MA native, and now is no exception.

Your thumbnail sketches are inane. The entire state is sick of single-party Democratic mob-monopoly rule the past 40 years. Our votes have been taken for granted in every national election for as long as anyone can remember.

Now, that Democratic Machine politics has overtaken Washington ... and we've woken up. Coakley's an outdated Machiner for life. The change candidate is Brown. The independent candidate is Brown. And the next Senator from the Bay State is Scott Brown.

Posted by: bstanman83 | January 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

think sourdough summed it up with "In the Commonwealth, friends don't let friends vote Republican."

Posted by: AndyR3
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They let their friends and family become enslaved by neocom statists.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

AndyR3:

So, you are saying that all of those Brown voters showing up in the polling results have no friends? LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I think sourdough summed it up with "In the Commonwealth, friends don't let friends vote Republican."

Posted by: AndyR3 | January 19, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm a California Independent and sent money to Brown. I don't care if there really is change in the wind or not - I just think the Dem lock on the Senate, the House and the Presidency, like a similar Republican lock, is a very bad thing. I'm also hoping it will signal the end of the carbon tax, the health care bill, increases in the national debt and the illegal alien amnesty just promised by the Dems. Those four items show a weakness in ideals and a tilt towards the socialism and facism of Europe (past & present) and the high tax, anti-liberty Nanny State the Dems constantly push. I'd rather see a nation get off its rear, work for a living and get off the public dole, but the coming Brown victory is a start.

Posted by: calditz | January 19, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Why did Peyton A. vote. You should always remain true to your convictions; not a party!
Also didn't Coakley have just as much time to mobilize her campaign as Brown? or more so? Hopefully presumption will sink this democratic ship!

Posted by: carolhart
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Da union might have told him to vote.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

It's all about the "field" in this election and the Republicans don't have any ground troops, just big money and and big media on their side.

Out-of-state Republican money bought lots of attack ads that got reflected in the polling a few nights ago, but gravitas will prevail. In the Commonwealth, friends don't let friends vote Republican. While some Catholics might have voted for what's-his-name-Brown to support the Bishops if he had no chance to win, they won't throw their votes away with the grim reality of having that light-weight representing us in the Senate looming as a real possibility.

In Western Massachusetts in my area turn-out is high, over twice the numbers in the Primary. Democrats leaving the polls report receiving "annoying" levels of GOTV calls from Coakley volunteers and they're marking their ballots for her.

Time will tell.

Posted by: sourdough70 | January 19, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Why did Peyton A. vote. You should always remain true to your convictions; not a party!
Also didn't Coakley have just as much time to mobilize her campaign as Brown? or more so? Hopefully presumption will sink this democratic ship!

Posted by: carolhart | January 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/19/us/AP-US-Branstad-Governor.html

...now we have to watch every Republican has been try to rehabilitate themselves...

Posted by: shrink2 | January 19, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

«There is also another aspect - there is a sense in the country that the government has been taken out of the people's hands - the democrats are not governing with the consent of the people - the democrats are going off in their own direction.»

Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 2:01 PM

«Three close-in communities to Boston report their results early -- Cambridge, Somerville and Arlington -- and, according to one Democrat, if Brown is close or leading in those areas, the race is effectively over.»

Posted by: Chris Cillizza | January 19, 2010; 1:12 PM ET

Great institutions, professors so «Wise» they think their vision is fit to impose on all, contempt for regular voters as «ignorant, venal, bigoted», ¿why listen to voters when We know best?, We don't need their stinkin' consent, We know best, government does not belong in their hands, they are stupid, venal, bigoted, We are MIT, Lesley, Harvard, We know best.

Great institutions, their professors work in Cambridge, live in Cambridge (on Ware Street?), many live in Arlington. Forget it, State Senator Brown, you have no chance in Cambridge, in Arlington, «Wise» élite will vote against you.

Working people, ordinary people, much-looked-down-on voters, they live in Somerville, ¿will they vote for Sen. Brown because they sense (and revolt against!) the contempt that the Wise feel for them? Or will the SEIU labor union «machine» fool them, tell them Coakley will vote to take from «the rich» and give to them?, in reality she will vote to take from Somerville workers and give to «programs» for Blue Hill Avenue communities.

Yes, O Mr. Cillizza, watch Somerville, my cousin was born in Somerville, she was regular people, a nurse, she would be horrified at this «health care» bill, a giveaway to big drug companies, mandatory customers for big insurance companies (what a racket!), badfu doctors, badfu nurses, double-badfu patients, rationing, self-respecting nurses, none of them should vote for AG Coakley.

Posted by: abu_ibrahim | January 19, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

At 10am when I voted in Amherst MA 25% of the eligible voters in the precinct already had voted, an especially strong turnout, and a good sign for Coakley.
What may give this race to Brown, however, is an anti-Leviathan (to quote David Brooks in today's Times) spirit. For once in its recent voting history Massachusetts matters, and the national political body would be "balanced." If MA had a Republican senator, would he receive special status and attention like Snowe? Maybe it would be if the Republican running were Bill Weld, but I don't see it with Brown.

Posted by: Vertigo2 | January 19, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

You forgot too mention "watch out for the Democrats to cry voter fraud" if Chokely is defeated. If she wins, then everything worked perfectly.....

Posted by: WildBill1 | January 19, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Blarg:

That's what poll watchers and formal exit polling is for.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Democraps? Far-left Obama-worshippers? Socialist-controlled Main Street Media? How droll. Not many conservative Republicans are as erudite as you are.

Posted by: Sluggo51 | January 19, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I never understand these posts. You can't get a reasonable measure of turnout in particular areas, among demographic groups, etc., until AFTER the polls have closed. And at that point, you'll have the real results. You're asking questions that become moot by the time they can be answered. I don't see the point.

Posted by: Blarg | January 19, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Independents are 51% of Massachusetts voters, Dems about 37% and Rep about 11%. If you are an independent and vote in a Dem primary you become a Dem so 51% go to a lot of work to keep their registration as independent or unenrolled.

Posted by: mascmen7 | January 19, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

And now today's Sarah Palin news:
Posted by: drindl
Can you give us an update on John McCain? Is Teddy Kennedy still dead?

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

Hopefully not.

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Rush just said that Rasmussen IS doing exit polling. GO BROWN!!!

Posted by: JakeD | January 19, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

No real comment here, just love the Chris Herren reference.

Posted by: tmp23 | January 19, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

It's funny to see the far-lefty Obama--worshippers here, and in the Democrap Socialist--controlled Main Stream Media, whistling past the graveyard trying to put their spin on a probable Brown win in the most liberal, most Democrap Socialist--controlled state in the country, Mass.
A Scott Brown win will in fact be an indicator of things to come in the midterm elections come November, and will signal to all but his most rabit supporters, that Obama's presidentcy, is a failed presidentcy.

Posted by: armpeg | January 19, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

prediction: no matter what happens today, the press will call it a Big Win for Republicans.

And now today's Sarah Palin news:

A new CBS News poll finds that a large majority of Americans say they do not want former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to run for president.

Specifically, 71 percent say they do not want the former Republican vice presidential nominee to run for president, while 21 percent say they do want her to run.

When the results are split out by party, 56 percent of Republicans say they do not want her to seek the office and 30 percent do. Meanwhile, 88 percent of Democrats do not want her to run. Among independents, 65 percent do not want her to run and 25 percent do.

The poll also finds that more people view Palin negatively than positively and that her book tour did not improve overall views of her.

Posted by: drindl | January 19, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

All your thoughts are correct - and if Coakley had enough time to mobilize her campaign, this is where should COULD go to get the votes - however that is really not the issue, the issue is OBAMA.

Obama has made a complete mess of his first year, completely ignoring the economic priority - and jobs - to go for a distracting far-left agenda that few people really want.

I would actually like to see a break-down of the people still supporting health care - how many people are supporting health care because they support Obama, and really are not in favor of the details v. those who really want the health care bill as it is.


The arrogance of Obama is amazing.

If you go back to his speech before Congress in September - Obama even references this issue - he makes some comment at the beginning of the speech to the effect - "we didn't come to Washington" to just manage the economy or manage the overseas commitments and war on terrorism.

NO - Obama has REJECTED the basic nuts and bolts of his job.

Obama is simply NOT doing his job. His job is the economy and national security first.


Obama went before Congress and CLEARLY STATED THAT HE WAS GOING TO IGNORE THOSE PRIORITIES.

The American People sense that Obama is off-track - off in never-never land - and not taking care of what has to be taken care of for America.

There is also another aspect - there is a sense in the country that the government has been taken out of the people's hands - the democrats are not governing with the consent of the people - the democrats are going off in their own direction.

This is important - In the American political system there has always been the general idea that even if the opposing party is in control, what that other party is doing is always within some acceptable range of policies.

There is a sense that the democrats are out of that acceptable range - that somehow they are attempting to make permanent changes without the people's consent - and they are trying to make those changes so they can not be changed back.


The democrats have been out of bounds. People do not like it.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 19, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

PeytonA writes
"Just voted in Acton, MA grudgingly for Coakley. It's been snowing all morning but the turnout seemed higher than usual."


High turnout likely means voters like Peyton, who were probably filtered out of pollsters' likely voter screens, will sway the election in Coakley's favor.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"They turned their backs on their great legacy of being the "Cradle of Liberty" instead opting for neocom statism and enslaving their children. "

ROFLOL... funnneeee stuff.

Posted by: drindl | January 19, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

My math says Coakley needs a smaller percentage of the Independent vote, but that is based on Dems being 39% of the electorate & supporting Coakley 100%. If some Dems are voting for Brown the need for 35% of the I vote is plausible. It also underscores how high a hurdle Brown really has; needing over 65% of the I vote is a reminder of how small the GOP is in MA.

Posted by: bsimon1
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They turned their backs on their great legacy of being the "Cradle of Liberty" instead opting for neocom statism and enslaving their children.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

What to watch for ?

Deadmen walking.

Posted by: leapin | January 19, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The fevered enthusiasm surrounding Brown is reminiscent of the slain in the spirit euphoria that surrounded Obama in 2008. Like the Obama wave, it has begun to seem like the Brown following has taken on the sense of being part of a transcendent movement that will turn everything upside down for the better.

Now, such waves tend to dissipate, and in fact, never should've taken on the messianic overtones they did. Obama and Brown are politicians, not saviors. These are political elections, not transcendent movements. But when political waves lack perspective, such waves are uncontrollable, and often, unstoppable. This was certainly true of the Obama wave. The Brown 'wave', if it exists, has a similar feel to it. But it's too early to know whether reality matches the hype.

Posted by: mbcnewspaper | January 19, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Just voted in Acton, MA grudgingly for Coakley. It's been snowing all morning but the turnout seemed higher than usual. The only people holding signs were Brown people, and they were totally fired up. Waving, smiling, full of enthusiasm. I envied them--me, who could muster nothing more than resignation when I marked the ballot.

If the Dems lose, they deserve it.

Posted by: PeytonA | January 19, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"The working theory among Democratic modelers is if Coakley can win 35 percent of the independent vote, she can win; if she goes below that number, Brown will win."


My math says Coakley needs a smaller percentage of the Independent vote, but that is based on Dems being 39% of the electorate & supporting Coakley 100%. If some Dems are voting for Brown the need for 35% of the I vote is plausible. It also underscores how high a hurdle Brown really has; needing over 65% of the I vote is a reminder of how small the GOP is in MA.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | January 19, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

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