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Why Charlie Crist is no Joe Lieberman



Florida Gov. Charlie Crist and Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman -- alike, yet different. AP photos by Steve Cannon and Alex Brandon

Speculation continues to run rampant regarding Florida Gov. Charlie Crist's (R) political future with some outlets insisting that a speech explaining the party-switch is already in the works while other sources tell the Fix that no such move is in the offing.

With the "will he or won't he" debate running wild, the most commonly cited comparison to where Crist finds himself is Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) who, after losing the Democratic primary to cable television magnate Ned Lamont in 2006, ran and won as an independent.

That comparison is inexact for several big reasons. Here they are (with a hat tip to the Post's Paul "PK" Kane who helped us refine them):

* A real three-way race: When Lieberman decided to run as an independent in the general election, national Republicans -- including the Bush White House -- made clear that they were fine with GOP votes going to the Connecticut Senator, a tacit blessing that made Derby Mayor Alan Schlesinger, the actual Republican nominee, totally irrelevant in the race. Lieberman wound up spending $17 million to Lamont's $20 million while Schlesinger raised and spent just north of $200,000. That scenario will not be repeated in Florida this year as national Democrats show no signs of walking away from Rep. Kendrick Meek's (D) candidacy -- particularly with polling that shows a competitive three-way race. With Meek and former state House Speaker Marco Rubio (R) both running well-funded, serious efforts, Crist runs the real danger of lacking any sort of electoral base to depend on.

* Standing on principle: In the wake of his loss to Lamont, most general election voters attributed the defeat to the fact that Lieberman refused to back away from his support for the war in Iraq -- a position he cast as a stand on principle. (Liberal Democrats would almost certainly disagree with that characterization but it was the prevailing perception among many Connecticut voters.) Losing on principle made Lieberman a sympathetic -- and hence electable -- candidate in a general election. Crist will have a harder time making the "principled stand" justification if he switches as it will have come after months of polling showing him with next-to-no path to victory in the Republican primary against Rubio. If he does switch, expect Crist to make some sort of "I didn't leave the party, the party left me" appeal to independent voters but Rubio is doing everything he can to frame a Crist switch in the most crass political terms possible.

* Show me the money: Lieberman's Democratic fundraising friends may have largely abandoned him once he decided to run as an independent but it didn't really matter much because the Connecticut Senator had a built-in national Jewish fundraising base. And, that money base was never going to abandon Lieberman -- their most loyal champion -- no matter what party banner he ran under. Crist has no such national fundraising base and, as is evidenced by his lackluster ($1.1 million raised) last quarter, money follows momentum. In a state the size of Florida with so many -- and so many expensive -- media markets, the $7.5 million Crist had on hand at the end of March won't be near enough. He spent $20 million when he ran and won the governor's race in 2006. Currently, it's hard to see how he can get anywhere near that number.

* A ready-made consulting team: When Lieberman made the move to run as an independent, the political team that had just helped New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg win re-election simply crossed over state lines to aid the Connecticut Senator's re-election effort. That sort of ready-made team of advisers who had very recently been there and done that allowed Lieberman to very quickly gain the upper hand over Lamont in the general election, a position he never relinquished. (Lieberman went on to win the race 50 percent to 40 percent.) It's hard to imagine that Stuart Stevens and Russ Schriefer, Crist's media consultants, or Glen Bolger, his pollster, would stick with him if he decided to go independent. (Bolger resigned as Sen. Arlen Specter's pollster when the Pennsylvania incumbent switched from the Republican to the Democratic party in 2009.) Crist's switch would likely leave him without many of the people who have helped guide his political career to this point -- an absence made all the worse by the fact that his longtime top adviser, George Lemieux, is otherwise occupied as a U.S. Senator through the end of the year.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 21, 2010; 11:44 AM ET
Categories:  Senate  | Tags: Charlie Crist, Florida Senate race, Joe Lieberman, Kendrick Meek, Marco Rubio, Ned Lamont  
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"I would like to see a legitimate 3rd party rise to power. That would help keep congress from doing anything unless 2 of the 3 party's agreed. I suppose the most important thing is that when topics come up for discussion, people are able to present the pros and cons and make educated choices that represent their districts. I hate seeing votes along party lines, it seems so shallow. Posted by: chris_chi"

As long as largest plurality wins elections and largest plurality organizes Congress, there will only be two main parties, with lots of fringers. What might change in here is a distribution of voters as 40% Leftist, 40% centrist, and the remnant ex-Republicans masquerading as T-People. That would put Congress back in the dynamic tension it sometimes gets into that makes for stronger legislation and fitter Government.

Good results in November just might hasten that day.

(Good Results= T-People slaughter so many RINOs that Dems end up with total domination of Congress and the RINOs herd together in the right center, thus accidentally founding the American Socialist center Right party.)

Someday, sigh, someday.

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Posted by: itkonlyyou23 | April 22, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I think liberals should just come out and admit that they don't want Rubio to win because they are racist and uncomfortable with the idea of a brown man serving Florida in the Senate.

I mean, that's the only reason Republicans, conservatives (and, increasingly, independents) don't like Obama, right?

Time to own up to your shame, libs.

Posted by: etpietro | April 22, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"The problem with politics in America is that it has become a multi million dollar industry."

This is so funny. I can barely type.
Rip van Jill! I don't want to be mean.
But I can't help it.

Jill, in California, hi, welcome.

First,

You are all over it, the problem with politics in America is that it has become a multi million dollar industry.

It must have been a lot better when politics involved hundreds or even thousands of dollars.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

leichtman writes


I doubt anyone argues with this rational statement by 37th: "The laws of the country MUST BE enforced - the illegal aliens should be sent home - to their home"

the bigger question though is do we as a
nation support racial profiling, alien and sedition laws or worse, internment camps? I


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The MAJOR QUESTION is do we allow the quibbling about racial profiling COMPLETELY STOP ALL SUBSTANTIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

The advocates for illegal aliens are not really concerned about the rules and procedures for stopping aliens.

They want to STOP ALL ARRESTS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS.


They do not want the police to have the authority to investigate.

Do WE ALLOW THE LAW TO NOT BE ENFORCED - OR DO WE ENFORCE THE LAW.


IT DOESNT MATTER IF THE PERSON IS FROM MEXICO - SHOW THE CARD - IF THE ID IS GOOD, LET THEM GO.

Asking for proper ID is not a violation of rights - or of constituional rights.

IF A PERSON IS HERE ILLEGALLY SEND THEM BACK.


AND THAT GOES FOR OBAMA TOO - SHOW US THE DOCUMENTS OR GO BACK TO INDONESIA.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see a legitimate 3rd party rise to power. That would help keep congress from doing anything unless 2 of the 3 party's agreed. I suppose the most important thing is that when topics come up for discussion, people are able to present the pros and cons and make educated choices that represent their districts. I hate seeing votes along party lines, it seems so shallow.

Posted by: chris_chi | April 21, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The problem with politics in America is that it has become a multi million dollar industry. An industry that gives the chattering class million dollar paychecks. An industry polluted my money. An industry that churns out books that someone buys but nobody reads. An industry that has not one person asking a lucid question.
A Tea party movement that really thinks it's a grass roots movement and fails to ask " how did we all start uttering the same words in unison?".
As a female taxpayer who has lived through Presidents since Johnson I fill out my 1040 with standard deductions every year, I have never had a tax increase or decrease that has changed my life or decided how many shoes I should buy.
Things that changed my life was the freedom to go to work and have a voice. The freedom of equality. 401K's. The pride of belonging to a generation that stopped the suppression of Black America.
I would like the Party people to elect the next American President, I can't wait to see what they all willing to give up.
That would really be interesting for me even though I know I will still be filling out my 1040 with standard deductions.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | April 21, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

The big difference is that Lieberman is a traitor who went from being a candidate for the vice presidency on the Democratic ticket to campaigning for Mccain and that dumb redneck from Alaska.
Crist is no Benedict Lieberman.

Posted by: analyst72 | April 21, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Will Blanche Lincoln's spearheading derivative
cdo packages in the public exchanges where there can no longer be trade swaps by non bank dealers and will that help her re-election chances in Ark or just help with primary Ark. voters? Will it end too big to fail, a concept popular with Rs?

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 21, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I doubt anyone argues with this rational statement by 37th: "The laws of the country MUST BE enforced - the illegal aliens should be sent home - to their home"

the bigger question though is do we as a
nation support racial profiling, alien and sedition laws or worse, internment camps? I
doubt it. Just wait until the first R politician is racially profiled, that discussion will then come to a quick end.
It wasn't well thought of about John Adams, FDR's low point and the undoing of Pete Wilson and the Ca R party. We need thoughtful bi-partisan resolution of our illegal immigration problem w/o racial profiling or
disrupting our agricultural economy, but it won't happen b/w now and Nov you can count on
that. If any of you think that the HC debate
was divisive, it will pale in comparison to
our eventual debate over immigration reform.
It will be mean and ugly, unless either McCain or Graham is willing to take it on. As a political issue for the fall I think the Az
legislation will be toxic for Rs trying to court hispanic voters in Ca and Tx.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 21, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I hate to be reminded of the Lieberman/Lamont debacle and still hope to live to see Lieberman booted out of office. He is smug, self-righteous and unprincipled. Like the Kristols and the Krauthammers he places the state of Israel much higher than this country in his priorities. He tried hard to kill the healthcare reform bill. Crist is simply trapped by the bizarre rightward lurch of the Republicans, and will no doubt lose his office. But he will get his laugh later when the country turns against the fanatics running the Republican party and Obama wins a second term.

Posted by: gposner | April 21, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse


Noacoler


Calm down - it was just since the Obama attack machine decided it was going to start making False Charge of Racism against the Tea Party Movement.

Did you read Colbert King's article - he said he "saw racism in the faces" of the people at the tea party rallies.

After getting responses - Colbert King wrote another piece - INSISTING that the Tea Party Movement was no different than George Wallace.

The just a few days ago- Eugene Robinson called the Tea Party People racist.

OH - you are claiming that I personally are the ONLY ONE talking about race over the past six weeks ???

You know, all this is an attempt to distract the nation from the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY - BY OBAMA.

Anyway, the Vietnamese don't think you are a spy ? I wonder why - since you love Obama so much, they might think you are a spy. Maybe they are still digging the pit they intend to hang you in.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The democratic party has become a hate group - complete with their own set of sexual slurs for the tea party movement.


It is true - the democrats really believe that the tea party movement is out of bounds by exercising their Freedom of Speech.

The democrats are pre-judice - pre-judging the tea party people.

It is a hate group - sure sounds like hate speech.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

A virus, so primitive that it doesn't meet the basic qualifications for being alive, can kill the most evolved organisms on the planet.

And an idiot like 37th, so stupid he can't even write intellibly, can block even the most spirited discussion on this blog. He's been posting this unhinged junk about race and free speech a hundred or more times a day, every day, for over SIX WEEKS.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 21, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


The laws of the country MUST BE enforced - the illegal aliens should be sent home - to their home.

The immigration people want to STOP enforcement of US law.

I have to remind you: Reagan legalized the illegal aliens - and part of the agreement was NO MORE. The country agree to legalize a whole bunch of aliens - and send any new ones home.

NOW - what happened was the aliens which Reagan legalized ended up bringing over their family members too - so that legalization turned out to be a great deal more people than anyone thought.

ALL the aliens should be sent back home - and Americans should take the jobs the illegal aliens have.

We have to have control over our borders.


AND that includes Obama - if he is an Indonesian citizen - send him back.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"Meek's mommy Carrie Meek, is hooked up.He has also proven he can win a Congressional seat."

moeb22, we have heard Meek has no voters in Sarasota, Chattahoochee, Pensacola and Okeechobee.

Is it true this guy is a non-starter? Earlier I said Crist will be an Independent, but if Meek is ridiculous, I'll call Golden Slacks and hedge my bet.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Notice how easily the topic got derailed becuase of the mention of race. face palm.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 21, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

shrink2


A pale is a stick - or a fence - usually to identify the boundaries of a property.


Baton Rogue is the same thing - they used red sticks to mark off the property lines there - hence the name Baton Rogue.

"Racism is Everywhere" was a reference to Colbert King's piece - in which he claimed to see "RACISM in the faces" of the tea party members -


Eugene Robinson was insisting just this past weekend that there were "racists" at the tea party rallies.


Now does Eugene Robinson know any of these people - did he talk to them ??? Does he know anything about them???


NO Eugene Robinson PRE-JUDGED them - based on their white skin and their political views - they MUST be racists.

These attitudes are VILE.

And it goes directly to a DISRESPECT FOR THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS - somehow there is a sense that the Tea Party is wrong to exercise their freedom of speech.

They are wrong because they don't agree with Obama - that is an attitude born more of RACISM than anything else.

Forget the Post-Racial world - forget the end of Affirmative Action.

Instead - we have a HYPER-CHARGED RACIAL ATMOSPHERE.

Not good - this is why I make the comment that the democratic party is not MATURE enough to handle a Black President- it is a fair comment.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

if you arecin Fla please tell me why the D Party of Fla couldn't persuade someone like Wasserman or Wexler with a real state following to run for the Senate seat. Just curious what the problem is finding stronger candidates?
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Meek's mommy Carrie Meek, is hooked up.He has also proven he can win a Congressional seat.

The General election has not started so it's too soon to say Meek is a weak candidate. Most Floridians like me are focused on the piss poor economy and Crist's lack of focus on it.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 21, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

"Racism is everywhere."

37th IQ Detection Meter
bumped off the peg there
for a second or two

Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Funny how you use the idiom "beyond the pale"

Even funnier you noticed.
I can't figure out whether you are
developmentally disabled, or not.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

if you arecin Fla please tell me why the D Party of Fla couldn't persuade someone like Wasserman or Wexler with a real state following to run for the Senate seat. Just curious what the problem is finding stronger candidates?

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 21, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

shrink2


Obama still hasn't gotten over it - neither has Colbert King or Eugene Robinson -


They are still lashing out -

THERE IS STILL RACISM IN THEIR FACES -


Racism is everywhere.

They have hidden motives - racism.


That's what they think when they see white people.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Just some more wordss opn why I think Crist will not get all these Democrtas votes that many claim he will get if he turned Independent.

Meek has a strong organization and has the President and the Democratic machine behind him- not to mention that he's been consistent on the issues that matter to his base. Charlie Crist on the other hand often looked like an opportunist during his term.

That's not even mentioning the guns bill he signed down here that many Democrats hated.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 21, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I could care less about the Tea Party. They are a fringe group that I spoke with in DC
last year when they claimed to have a million
protestors when it turned out they had 60,000
on a few blocks. They don't have the money, organization or a leader like Ross Perot who spend $50 million to garner 30% of the vote.
They will be forgotten soon. I defend their right to protest, just don t spit on Congressmen, or call in threats to our Congressmen or encourage your followers to throw bricks at their windows or cut their
family's gas lines. Go ahead and draw your stupid hitler mustaches and carry your hateful signs, but unedrstand that even Scott Brown has the common sense to stay WAY far away.

And again Hillary would be disgusted at your
diatribes against your POTUS.

More importantly we need to discuss the explosive potential of the Az legislature's racial profiling bill. It will be disastrous with hispanic voters this fall, far more than it will will attract the conservatives to flock to the R party. I spent 2 weeks in Az recently and learned that they are in a deep economic funk. Its exactly the same sentiment I saw in San Diego in the late 1980s against hispanics when they had economic woes and has brought a generation of Californians that rejected Pete Wilson's Senate run and destroyed the Ca R party.


Posted by: leichtman1 | April 21, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

shrink2


I do know alot of democrats -


Funny how you use the idiom "beyond the pale"


Baton Rogue is actually named after red sticks, did you know that ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama thinks that America has a "birth defect"

Slavery.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"I know a lot of democrats..."

Posted by: 37 blocks from the people who give you the hebegebes

37th, you have made a lot of outrageous claims, but this is beyond the pale.
Case closed.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

leichtman

We have 2 years 8 months and 29 days to go,


My only response is this:


If there is an organized attempt in our nation's Capital to INTIMIDATE AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM EXERCISING THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH - that is UNAMERICAN.

Sorry - if you support the tactics which have been employed against the Tea Pary over the past month, you are UnAmerican too.

That is what makes us American - the Bill of Rights and our Freedoms.

What you do not understand is that Obama doesn't have the same respect for the Constitution as most American do - Obama fails to realize that love for our Freedoms makes us American.

Obama thinks that America has a "birth defect" - Obama has a hostility toward the Constitution - that you just do not understand.

Sorry - but I am right on this one.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

nope 37th never hated Obama, hated some of his mindless supporters much as you and felt that
I supported the better candidate.

The difference: I realized that the election is over and got behind MY POTUS and my country, exactly as Hillary did.

Somehow you delude yourself into thinking that
Hillary or ANY of her supporters would be
proud of your diatribes or open and obsessive
insults of Obama, 24/7. Maybe it helps you with
catharsis but it is unhealthy and unproductive and I would say borders on being unAmerican, something that HC would be absolutely ashamed
to be associated with. I was called a racist
and worse by some rabid Obama supporters here and for that I will never forgive them, but these are serious economic times for this country and joining the radical right faux news crowd is definitely not something I supported with my allegiance to our fine SOS.

Besides it is off topic. My querry: would Lieberman actively campaign for an independent Crist candidacy and how would that play in Fla?
saw Patrick in ny post today first time in months he was another HC supporter that encouraged me to support POTUS and our country after the primary. Its 18 months, get over it.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 21, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

ILLEGAL ALIENS


What is going to be sufficient probable cause for the illegal alien groups ??


To listen to them, NOTHING can qualify as probable cause - so the law can never be enforced.

Well - it is about time that the police CHECK EVERYONE - and start deporting everyone who is not legal.

We need to put troops on the border - and enforce border.


We need to deter aliens from coming here - instead of promising them free health care and free education.

Seriously folks GROW UP.


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I know alot of democrats who voted FOR Obama simply because he is black.

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You make up a lot of crap. This is more.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 21, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

ILLEGAL ALIENS


It appears the alien groups want to STOP ALL ENFORCEMENT - they are against enforcement.

It appears that the alien groups want to allow illegal aliens to run wild, whereever they want.

How do they want the LAW ENFORCED - IF one can not ask for papers.

I never ever thought one would drive down the Lee Highway in Virginia and feel like one was in a barrio.

But that is what we have.


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

moebius22


simply because he is black?


I know alot of democrats who voted FOR Obama simply because he is black.

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moebius22 wrote:
"I know a couple Democrats who won't vote for Meek becuase he's Black, but most will-"

What's your point...or do you have issues?

Posted by: moebius22 | April 21, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

moebius22


simply because he is black?


I know alot of democrats who voted FOR Obama simply because he is black.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

look at this! If you do good for your constituents, if you do good for your country, but that separates you from the party hacks, you are toast with the party! How in heaven can anyone get it right with such a bunch of hateful ignorants. The racist ignorant ones following the Republican party. They have no idea what the country is about. Its all red meat, racial hate, and ignorance. Hey, go get the Mississipi burning film and get your jolts going!!

Posted by: likovid | April 21, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1

What is your point ????


You used to hate Obama - you made hundreds of posts on here against Obama -

So don't complain to me if you have switched sides - or have no morals - or can't keep your story straight or whatever.

You said the nastiest things about Obama for a very long time -

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Eureka, someone finally gets it!

I have been saying the same thing in most of my recent posts on the subject. Everyone's citing the stupid Qunipec and Lieberman, but Crist is not in such a strong position starting out if he were going independent.

I know a couple Democrats who won't vote for Meek becuase he's Black, but most will- including the majority of teachers...I mean come on, he vetoed bill he championed 3 weeks ago simply to get elected.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 21, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

JoyReid at 5:08 has a really good point


however I would add, no living human being

AIPaciswar -


can you be more specific about what you mean ?

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

One Joe Lieberman is one more than we need.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | April 21, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist is no Joe Lieberman? Good for him! It might cost him an election, but he keeps his integrity, something Lieberman can't claim.

Posted by: AIPACiswar | April 21, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Well, we can suspend the debate at this point and take it up again in about 20 years, when Israel makes the choice between being Jewish and being democratic. As Jews will no longer be the majority, they will not be both.

I'm aware that most Israelis are decent, kind, and philanthropic people. But the others are truly abhorrent and as for supporting Israel, I say that until they rein in those rotten settlers they shouldn't get any support from us at all; not military, not economic, not emotional.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 21, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Chris - I've got to disagree with you on all four points (not to even go into the pretty far-out notion that any living Democrats think Joe Lieberman is "principled.") In Florida, Crist IS being seen as principled, and he does have potential allies, starting with about 167,000 teachers who are feeling mighty indebted to him these days. It would take too long to go into it all, so the whole argument is posted here:

http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/04/charlie-crist-v-hoffman-cillizza/

Posted by: JoyReid | April 21, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

far right yes, apartheid is truly insulting.
don t care if you are atheist that is your business but netanyhau won a minority of seats
and is likely as unrepresenative of the sentiments of every day Israelis as POTUS
Bush and how we as Americans were painted
with that same broad brush for 8 year.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 21, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Mark Rubio is going to beat Crist the RINO in the Florida GOP primary. If Crist is foolish enough to switch parties, Crist if going to be beaten in the general election too.

Posted by: screwjob11 | April 21, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

@liechtman: I didn't say Jews, I said Israelis; the fact that they're Jewish doesn't mean squat to me, I think all religion is nuts. In case I need to say it: 60% of Israelis want to settle the Palestinian conflict in a moral and humane fashion, but their government is far far right and apartheid is official policy. Ditto for American Jews in the USA, the majority of whom don't support Netanyahu's psychotic ideas.

And oh, I'm an atheist who was raised Episcopalean but by blood I'm 3/4 Jewish. G0tte Ashkenazy nose to match.

And oh, one thing: the most casual, unrepentant, and chilling bigotry I have ever run into in my life came out of the mouth of Israelis.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 21, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

what's the difference between Lieberman and Crist? Crist gives better head.

Posted by: 44fx290 | April 21, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

if Christ runs as an independent the critical
question for any Fla D who might support him
over Meeks, is what party will he caucus with
in the Senate if he wins as an independent. Lieberman will caucus with anyparty that has control over the Senate, that is just how he is built. He will likely go back and forth depedning on which party is in control and what they do to stroke his ego. I don t sense that Christ is so unprincipled and would likely stay with the R caucus, so beware Fla D.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 21, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Gotta disagree with your analysis Mr. Cillizza, on all four points ...

http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/04/charlie-crist-v-hoffman-cillizza/

Posted by: JoyReid | April 21, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Why is Charlie Crist is no Joe Lieberman, simple he is not the Knessecticut Senator.

Posted by: whocares666 | April 21, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Comrade Ped arrives with the usual delusional drek:

Insult zouk - check

Insult Israel - check

Insult Palin ---hey is that really you car queer?

now, once around the showers and off to stuttering class.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 21, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

noacolor your post is over the line.
"support for a nasty little apartheid state"
you can savage Lieberman all you want. Most
Jews I know can't stand him or Netanyahu but
it is his duplicity and dishonest politics we despise and his speaking at the R convention. we can support Israel w/o blindly supporting Lieberman or Netanyhau. Don't want to put you in the same bin as 37th but your insult to all jews and israel sure puts you in that same category fyi, cut it out !

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 21, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Chris, I have to disagree with you regarding Charlie Crist, I think he did just have that "principled stand" justification with his recent veto of the Florida education reform bill; this was a bill that was pushed thru very hastily by the Republican controlled state legislature that would have ended up being really bad for teachers in particular, and Florida's education system in general. This bill was being pushed hard by Jeb Bush, with the backing of Marco Rubio (a Jeb Bush protege) but Crist's claims that he vetoed because it was the best for Florida to do so. Whether you agree or disagree with the veto, it showed political courage for Crist to do that... and it may get him a real leg up with the independent voters who will end up deciding that election.

Posted by: PeterPamZ | April 21, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse


"Why Charlie Crist is no Joe Lieberman"


Gov. Charlie Crist: "Thank you Jesus!"


Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | April 21, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

FED OPERATIVES CENSOR NET POLITICAL SPEECH

OF EXTRAJUDICIALLY 'TARGETED' CITIZENS: VET JOURNO

• Team Obama's tenuous grip on a "rogue bureaucracy?"

• N.Y. Times' comments moderation -- cover for ideological censorship?

See "comments" section:

http://nowpublic.com/world/vic-livingston-now-facebook-will-reader-comments-be-censored OR
http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 21, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

hey drindl just ignore him. The guy is sick in the head, we all know it, nipping at our ankles is the only thing in his life that gets him out of bed. Can't do anything about him posting his froth but we don't have to dignify it.

He says Lieberman is a patriot. He got one thing right. CC says that Lieberman has unwavering Jewish support. He got one right too.

Only problem is that the Jewish support for Lieberman isn't for what Jowelly Joe will do for America, but what he'll do for Israel, because that's where his loyalties lie. Why else would a guy who caucuses with the Dems have supported the Iraq occupation as feverishly as a lifelong hawk like McCain? Because that's Netanyahu's demand. The USA maintains this sick support for a nasty little apartheid state that is doing everything in its power to destabilize the region, planting illegal settlements in territory nominally part of a Palestinian state according to the roadmap. Settlements that are really condominums for wealthy Israelis.

Let the Republicans have Joe? Nuts. Let Israel have him. He does a lot more for them than he does for America.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 21, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I know, I know!!

Lieberman married his wife because he was attracted to her, not because of rumors on his sexuality.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | April 21, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Obama continues to do things which poison the political atmosphere. These false charges of racism are just the latest in the long string of inflamatory rhetoric from Obama and his people.


This is not Obama's mandate - this is not what he was elected to do.


Not only are the false charges VILE, they represent the CLEAR FRAUD in Obama's 2008 campaign.


Which is worse, the FRAUD AT GOLDMAN SACHS OR THE FRAUD IN OBAMA'S 2008 CAMPAIGN.


Goldmans Sachs misrepresented the securities to take money - Obama misrepresented himself to gain power.

THE MONEY SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM GOLDMAN SACHS.


THE POWER SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM OBAMA.


It is the SAME FRAUD -


It represents the SAME ATTITUDE - COMMIT FRAUD AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

MEEK=CHANEY

While Charlie Crist battled and won over SB6, Reps, Teasters and other misfits, he was in a bunker.

Posted by: Scatterthevultures | April 21, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Go for it Charlie...those who have left are gone and are not ever coming back, if they were ever there in the first place..Dig?

Posted by: october30 | April 21, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Disagree.

Crist can absolutely run on principle. There is most certainly an audience for those who are turned off by the tea-party crowd.

Crist can easily paint the two party candidates as captives of their extremist bases....Republicans as captives of the Tea Party and the Dems as leftist, big government ideologues.

And he's got a solid record as a governor of getting results...he can run on that.

Somebody with some common sense would be a breath of fresh air in this race.

Also, he's more of a known quantity than Kendrick Meek.

Charlie Crist has never been an ideologue, and I think he could really work that to his advantage in this race.

Posted by: holzhaacker | April 21, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman's incumbency might have come into play as well. One selling point Lieberman had was seniority in the Democratic party which would make him more powerful than Lamont would be. Crist doesn't have that in his favor as a non-incumbent (also, I don't think Republicans give that kind of weight to seniority)

I think Crist can be successful as an independent. It will be competitive, definitely, but doable. Crist won't have the same fundraising capacity, but he has a ton of name recognition which will blunt the financial advantage to a degree.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 21, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM have to be addressed.

-+-+-+-

OK. Stop making them.

Posted by: JakeD3 | April 21, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

In Spanish, the correct spelling of rubber is rubio.

Posted by: Scatterthevultures | April 21, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Crist is a loser! His recent veto was a win for the Unions and a vote against the the students in Florida. Kind of reminds me of the rubber rooms in NYC!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | April 21, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Rubio is again being investigated for using his political funds for private purchases.
He had to pay back the money last time.. why is it conservatives back theives?

Posted by: newagent99 | April 21, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"We're talking about a cover up by Pelosi, who famously quipped "What did he know and when did he know it" when this standard was applied to Repubs."

Lessee... In the first instance, rumors of Foley's behavior circulated in GOP congressional circles for almost *4 years* before somebody leaked the emails and texts to the press. Foley was never investigated by GOP House Leadership, nor was his case referred to the Ethics Committee. Foley resigned a few weeks before the midterm elections.

In the second instance, accusations against Massa (only elected in 2008) surfaced in February, 2010. By March he had resigned, accusing Democratic House leadership of leaking the ongoing investigation to the press. Massa has since been referred to the House Ethics Committee. All in less than 3 months after the allegations first surfaced.

Yep, exactly the same.

Even Glenn "Mas as Heck" Beck thinks this dog don't hunt.

Oh, conservatives!, is there no bottom to your dishonest, hypocritical stupidity?

Posted by: dadanarchist | April 21, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

>>>>The U.S. attorney's office in Tallahassee, the FBI and the Internal Revenue Service are all involved in the probe.......
Rubio billed the party for more than $100,000 during the two years he served as House speaker, according to credit card statements obtained by The Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times. The charges included repairs to the family minivan, grocery bills, plane tickets for his wife, and purchases from retailers ranging from a wine store near his home to Apple's on-line store. Rubio also charged the party for dozens of meals during the annual lawmaking session in Tallahassee, even though he received taxpayer subsidies for his meals........
Rubio acknowledged in February that he double-billed state taxpayers and the party for several plane flights from South Florida to Tallahassee. He said he would pay the party back about for eight flights totaling about $3,000, but the party said Tuesday it had not received a check.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/20/1589469/feds-launch-inquiry-into-gop-credit.html

Posted by: angie12106 | April 21, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

>>>>The U.S. attorney's office in Tallahassee, the FBI and the Internal Revenue Service are all involved in the probe.......
Rubio billed the party for more than $100,000 during the two years he served as House speaker, according to credit card statements obtained by The Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times. The charges included repairs to the family minivan, grocery bills, plane tickets for his wife, and purchases from retailers ranging from a wine store near his home to Apple's on-line store. Rubio also charged the party for dozens of meals during the annual lawmaking session in Tallahassee, even though he received taxpayer subsidies for his meals........
Rubio acknowledged in February that he double-billed state taxpayers and the party for several plane flights from South Florida to Tallahassee. He said he would pay the party back about for eight flights totaling about $3,000, but the party said Tuesday it had not received a check.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/20/1589469/feds-launch-inquiry-into-gop-credit.html

Posted by: angie12106 | April 21, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

>>>>The U.S. attorney's office in Tallahassee, the FBI and the Internal Revenue Service are all involved in the probe.......
Rubio billed the party for more than $100,000 during the two years he served as House speaker, according to credit card statements obtained by The Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times. The charges included repairs to the family minivan, grocery bills, plane tickets for his wife, and purchases from retailers ranging from a wine store near his home to Apple's on-line store. Rubio also charged the party for dozens of meals during the annual lawmaking session in Tallahassee, even though he received taxpayer subsidies for his meals........
Rubio acknowledged in February that he double-billed state taxpayers and the party for several plane flights from South Florida to Tallahassee. He said he would pay the party back about for eight flights totaling about $3,000, but the party said Tuesday it had not received a check.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/20/1589469/feds-launch-inquiry-into-gop-credit.html

Posted by: angie12106 | April 21, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

>>>>The U.S. attorney's office in Tallahassee, the FBI and the Internal Revenue Service are all involved in the probe.......
Rubio billed the party for more than $100,000 during the two years he served as House speaker, according to credit card statements obtained by The Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times. The charges included repairs to the family minivan, grocery bills, plane tickets for his wife, and purchases from retailers ranging from a wine store near his home to Apple's on-line store. Rubio also charged the party for dozens of meals during the annual lawmaking session in Tallahassee, even though he received taxpayer subsidies for his meals........
Rubio acknowledged in February that he double-billed state taxpayers and the party for several plane flights from South Florida to Tallahassee. He said he would pay the party back about for eight flights totaling about $3,000, but the party said Tuesday it had not received a check.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/20/1589469/feds-launch-inquiry-into-gop-credit.html

Posted by: angie12106 | April 21, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

>>>>The U.S. attorney's office in Tallahassee, the FBI and the Internal Revenue Service are all involved in the probe.......
Rubio billed the party for more than $100,000 during the two years he served as House speaker, according to credit card statements obtained by The Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times. The charges included repairs to the family minivan, grocery bills, plane tickets for his wife, and purchases from retailers ranging from a wine store near his home to Apple's on-line store. Rubio also charged the party for dozens of meals during the annual lawmaking session in Tallahassee, even though he received taxpayer subsidies for his meals........
Rubio acknowledged in February that he double-billed state taxpayers and the party for several plane flights from South Florida to Tallahassee. He said he would pay the party back about for eight flights totaling about $3,000, but the party said Tuesday it had not received a check.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/20/1589469/feds-launch-inquiry-into-gop-credit.html

Posted by: angie12106 | April 21, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

We're talking about a cover up by Pelosi, who famously quipped "What did he know and when did he know it" when this standard was applied to Repubs.

but I keep forgetting that Libs have no standards. they simply make it up as they go along.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 21, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist is the undisputed, undefeated World SB6 Veto Champion, who will knock out Marco (Pretty Pollo) Rubio in the first round.

Posted by: Scatterthevultures | April 21, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess, the results of the inquiry will not be available before the election?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero
=============================

He's not running for re-election.

Posted by: maurban | April 21, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks the gods the Maverick (or is it "I-never-said-I-was-a-Maverick"?) didn't pick Holy Joe as his running mate in 2008.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

He should have picked John Edwards, the next most recent fraud elected to office by the party of fraud. then we could have a fake husband and a fake citizen.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 21, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman has no principles, and he is certainly not a patriot. Unless you mean an Israeli patriot, I might agree with you there. He always puts their interests ahead of our country's

Posted by: maurban | April 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Congressional Republicans are jumping on the Rubio bandwagon and denouncing Crist for vetoing a very BAD education bill, endorsed by Jeb Bush and other anti-public education Republicans.
FL teachers & families are now flocking to Crist and Meek.

Republican politicians rejected Crist primarily on the basis of his hugging Pres. Obama for delivering the Stimulus that saved and created many Florida jobs, including teachers, firefighters, and cops.
Governors think differently than representatives and Crist was thinking of the best interests for the State. Republican reps weren't doing any thinking - they were just voting "no" on everything.

Posted by: angie12106 | April 21, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse


"dribl displays its depth of intellectual acumen.
Posted by: Comrade_Zero "


Obssession post #3 today.
Really, haven't you got ANYTHING else to do besides thinks about me? Seek help.

Posted by: drindl | April 21, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

AP - The House ethics committee says it is starting "a full and complete investigation" into whether anyone covered up sexual harassment allegations against former Rep. Eric Massa.


AP forgot the (D) again.

Let me guess, the results of the inquiry will not be available before the election?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 21, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Another tongue-bath for Holy Joe....

Thanks the gods the Maverick (or is it "I-never-said-I-was-a-Maverick"?) didn't pick Holy Joe as his running mate in 2008.

Not because they would have won. Far from it.

Rather, we'd still be cleaning up the mess in DC from the beltway media's collective orgasm.

Posted by: dadanarchist | April 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Why Charlie Crist is no Joe Lieberman --his jowls haven't sunk onto his lapels.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
dribl displays its depth of intellectual acumen.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 21, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Fine, Crist is not a patriot.
I'll bet he can barely find Israel on a map.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

It looks tougher for Crist than for Lieberman, but given his treatment by the party faithful his only political future at the moment is as an independent.

If he drops out of the race entirely, he's perceived as a loser. If he retires, fine. But that label would stick to him if he tried running for re-election as governor and McCollum would take him out the same way Rubio is.

Rubio's supporters are ulikely to stop supporting him just becuase of some accounting irregularities in his PAC. If those charges stick, though, they will hurt him in the general election, and that may help funnel some moderate or business-related R money to Crist down the road.

I think he goes all-in and runs for the Senate as an independent.

Posted by: Gallenod | April 21, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Zambia Zez:

Rudy Singerini, the Brown-Nosed Zucchini, will be hosting an African Safari, led by Gen Romney of the Afrika Korps, to benefit Marco (Pretty Pollo) Rubio, who was seen running in Florida. Also in attendance will be Lord Jeb, Howdy Doody and Hucklebee FIN.

Posted by: Scatterthevultures | April 21, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Why Charlie Crist is no Joe Lieberman --his jowls haven't sunk onto his lapels.

But they are both weasels.

You Rs like Lieberman? Take him, he's yours.

Posted by: drindl | April 21, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"I'll agree, Crist is a weasel."

But that does not differentiate him from Lieberman.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 21, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of bipartisanship,
I'll agree, Crist is a weasel.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Easy, Crist is a weasel, Leibermann is a patriot.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 21, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I've seen enough,
I'll make the call.

Crist will stay in the Senate race
as as Independent.


Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Go Independent. If Rubio starts to stink of corruption and mismanagement charges, Crist wins. If not, Crist has a chance as people pull back from the extreme right.

Posted by: thebobbob | April 21, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

This seems to be blog by a conservative who thinks Rubio is crooked:

http://www.marcorubiosucks.com/


"Rubio created a Political Action Committee to help potential political candidates, but funneled most of the funds to himself, spending nearly $150,000 on administrative and operating costs. Over an 18 month period, Rubio spent only $4,000 promoting the intended cause of the P.A.C., helping political candidates, while similar political committees gave tens of thousands of dollars to political candidates. Rubio funneled the biggest chunk of the committee's money, $89,000, to his paid political consultants and his political cronies, $14,000. in reimbursements to himself, and more than $51,000. in credit card expenses.

Rubio's committee collected $228,000. in donations, including $30,000. from the Florida Crystals sugar corporation, $10,000. from U.S. Sugar, and $50,000. from a political group run by Republican fundraiser Alan Mendelsohn, a Broward County eye doctor indicted last year on corruption charges.

Rubio's wife, former Miami Dolphins cheerleader Jeanette Dousdebes, served as the committee's treasurer. In reports filed with the state, Rubio and his wife failed to disclose more than $34,000 in expenses over an 18-month period. "

Posted by: drindl | April 21, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

NO BAD THING for anybody to leave, or better yet, be thrown out of a party taken over by thugs, liars and thieves.

Charlie Crist is the undefeated World SB6 Veto Champion and does not need a yard sign on the road or an ad between drug commercials
to convince anybody to vote for him.

Reps, Teasters and other misfits: Spend that Zambia cash like it was yours.

Posted by: Scatterthevultures | April 21, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I think that one of the things that really worked for Lieberman was the tininess of his state. In CT you're popularity in one place can carry weight throughout the state. Florida is so big, so populous, so varied -- you can be king of Miami and they hardly know you in Sarasota.

Crist has got 4 months for Rubio to start to smell , and it can happen if he plays the waiting game. Especially if Jim Greer, squeezed out as head of the the Florida Republican Party because he was a friend of Crist's, is feeding tasty platters of inside information to the press and investigators.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 21, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Kinda glad Lieberman has some visibility -- makes it opportune to point out that without Lieberman's help, ENRON would never have happened...
Leah Fastow....(Andy's wife, Andy of the complex off books stuff that all the players like Goldman use today because accountants still can't grasp it, THE Leah that some say was really the the designing genius behind the ENRON stuff)....got into trouble 'way before ENRON for creating fraudulent tax shelters for corporations and guess who bailed her out?
Yep, Joe rode and wrote to the rescue and next thing you know, Leah's free to design/strike again -- BTW Leah's maiden name is Weingarten and that family is considered to be big cheese in the Houston real estate game.
So, would this be a reason why or why not Crist is different from Lieberman????

Posted by: bgreen2224 | April 21, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

'Losing on principle made Lieberman"

I'm sorry, one may not use a sentence that contains the words 'principle' and Lieberman -- it is logically inconsistent.

Lieberman won because he had the support of Rush Limbaugh and neocons -- and the republicans threw their own candidate under the bus [less than 5% support] and went for him en masse.

Posted by: drindl | April 21, 2010 12:04 PM
====================
Actually Lieberman is pretty consistent.

You leftist hacks don't like him though because he isn't a toady to the entire agenda.

Posted by: Cryos | April 21, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Obama continues to do things which poison the political atmosphere. These false charges of racism are just the latest in the long string of inflamatory rhetoric from Obama and his people.


This is not Obama's mandate - this is not what he was elected to do.

Not only are the false charges VILE, they represent the CLEAR FRAUD in Obama's 2008 campaign.

Which is worse, the FRAUD AT GOLDMAN SACHS OR THE FRAUD IN OBAMA'S 2008 CAMPAIGN.

Goldmans Sachs misrepresented the securities to take money - Obama misrepresented himself to gain power.


THE MONEY SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM GOLDMAN SACHS.


THE POWER SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM OBAMA.

It is the SAME FRAUD -

It represents the SAME ATTITUDE - COMMIT FRAUD AND GET AWAY WITH IT.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Would Rubio have run if Crist was the imcumbent [sic]?"


Former MN Gov / Senator Wendell Anderson tried that trick. It did not turn out well for him when he subsequently stood for election.

Had Crist done the same, Rubio would call a RINO hunt & have similar success. The campaign ads write themselves.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 21, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

My goodness, this is an about face:

"Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee who's been in financial reform talks with chairman Chris Dodd, tells TPMDC that an agreement is close at hand.

"We're very close to a deal and there will be a substantial number of Republicans that go along with it," Shelby said.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has said he expects to bring the bill to the Senate floor at the end of this week or early next week.

Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN), another financial reform negotiator who had dinner last night with Shelby, said today he expects all 100 senators to vote to begin debate on the bill. Corker guessed the final bill would be able to pass with 70 or 80 votes. "

Posted by: drindl | April 21, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

We all see how that is working out for Spector.

Now no one wants him.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 21, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

parkerfl1 writes
"Crist might just stay in the GOP race if it looks like Rubio is irreparably damaged by this credit card scandal. He could be damaged goods by the time the primary rolls around."

Problem is Crist has to make a decision by April 30 - next Friday.

So I'm suspecting that the charlie-s observation that

"The word 'Republican' has been removed from the following website as of yesterday: http://charliecrist.com/"

is a pretty good indicator of which way Crist is going.

If the Feds come up with some indictments before next week, perhaps Crist stays with the GOP. Or perhaps that further bolsters his argument that "I didn't leave the party, the party left me" (as imagined by the Fix).


Posted by: bsimon1 | April 21, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

LOL:

'Sen. John Ensign's re-election campaign took in just $50 in contributions, from one contributor, during the first quarter of 2010, according to FEC reports. The paltry take comes as more bad news for the scandal-tarred Nevada Republican, who would run for re-election in 2012.

Disclosure reports examined by TPMmuckraker show that Robert Donald, a Las Vegas retiree, was the sole contributor to the "Ensign for Senate" committee between January and March. Donald gave two separate $25 contributions.'

Posted by: drindl | April 21, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The health care crew should take a long look at the 10th Amendment.

I am sick of these people who act as if the 10th Amendment does not exist.

The 10th Amendment is there - it is part of the Constitution. The 10th Amendment actually AMENDS the "interstate commerce" clause - SO ANY DOUBT SHOULD BE SETTLED IN FAVOR OF THE 10TH AMENDMENT.

Anyway, the lawsuits will go forward.

The Lopez v. United States decision is going to be extremely important.


Ok.

Thank you very much for supporting the repeal of all of Obama's taxes.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist a switch-hitter? Say it ain't so!

***

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WEAPON SYSTEM DESCRIBES LATEST MICROWAVE AND 'PSY OP' ATTACKS

• Attention Team 'Project Geneva' -- This one's for you. See latest comments:

http://nowpublic.com/world/vic-livingston-now-facebook-will-reader-comments-be-censored OR
http://NowPublic.com/scrivener re: Lead story, "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 21, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Crist could have appointed himself to this position and been a Senator already -


Would Rubio have run if Crist was the imcumbent ?

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM have to be addressed - and they have to be discussed until they stick to OBAMA.


OBAMA can not think that everytime he gets himself into political trouble, he is going to have his attack machine go out and start crying racist.


This is a severe defect that Obama has - not all black people - just Obama.


This goes directly to the FACT THAT OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE IN THE POSITION HE IS.


Any qualified person would not engage in this kind of behavior.

This is the EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT OBAMA PROMISED IN HIS CAMPAIGN - don't forget Obama is operating WAY OUTSIDE his mandate on this one.

And someone please tell Eugene Robinson too -


Eugene Robinson needs to start reading Martin Luther King.

This country did NOT elect Obama to start directing his attack machine to start leveling charges of racism all over the place.

Colbert King and Eugene Robinson - did they ever LISTEN to what Obama saying in 2008 - or did they just look at the color of his FACE ???

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"The word 'Republican' has been removed from the following website as of yesterday: http://charliecrist.com/

So you decide whether he is switching parties or not.

Posted by: charlie-s "

Thank you, Charlie, that's a tell-tale tell wouldn't you say?

Guess he's tired of the way he was kicked to the curb by his party and now is going to fight back. Go Charlie!

Posted by: drindl | April 21, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Crist should stay a Republican and wait for another race.


Forget about this one.


Crist has no where to go - it is correct that this three-way race is different from Lieberman's three-way race.

Also Lieberman was running for re-election.


The additional problem for Crist is IF he wins as an Independent, he is still out there - not really knowing where he belongs.


There is going to be the constant question of whether Crist might vote with the democrats - which is going to be aggravated by reminders that the national Republicans did not support his election, and thus do not deserve any loyalty.

It's just going to go to on and on - and never stop.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 21, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I live in Tallahassee and the word on the street is that he is in a bit of a bind. The IRS and FBI are looking a Rubio's Republican party-issued credit card activity. However, the Republican controlled legislature yesterday refused to confirm Crist's appointments to the public service commission and earlier failed to confirm his appointment to the state health agency (ACHA). No love is lost between the legislature and Crist, particularly since he vetoed the education bill which would have stripped tenure from high school teachers. The general consensus is that he will ultimately switch.

Posted by: charlie-s | April 21, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

As a former CT resident and previous registered Independent, I switched to the Democratic party as a result of Lieberman's deception. While the biggest reason for him being elected was the crossover from Republicans, Lieberman's marketing of himself as an "Independent Democrat" was very effective spin. I can tell you that many people took this to mean that he was still a Democrat and not an Independent. Just goes to show you how ill informed people really are and how effective doublespeak really is. I investigated the potential for a recall but the CT General Statutes eliminated this option decades ago...how unfortunate particularly given his duplicity, poor performance and clear disregard for the people that he represents.

Posted by: MarkLeBel | April 21, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman's ability to stand on his principles is roughly in line with a stool's ability to stand on one leg.

Lieberman was beaten in the primary. He became an Independent AFTER he was beaten in the primary.

Not much principle there. But that's what we expect from Judas Joe.

There aren't enough Republicans in Connecticut to save him in 2012.

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | April 21, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

charlie-s

Crist is no longer a Republican,
apparently. But will he switch,
or go Independent?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 21, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Crist is no Lieberman. I also agree that Rubio & Meek do have a real base on which to run and that base would not leave them for Crist. However, many Democrats and many Republicans would still vote for Crist if he ran as an independent. It sort of looks more and more like Crist's best shot at winning in November is to either stay in the Republican nomination contest and hope that something more is found on Rubio in this credit card search or to drop the senate race and run as an independent for Governor. If he did that, he's already governor and can swap favors for cash now. That would keep his fundraising ability going to be able to compete against Sink & McCollum. If Crist runs as an independent for Senate, he must be able to siphon significant votes from democrats as he's likely to get around 35% or so of Republican votes. He then would need 40% of Democrats and maybe 60% of independents...a very staunch hill to climb, especially if his fundraising evaporates. A reelection run for Crist may be his best option. To top it off, Crist could endorse Rubio for Senate and hope the NRGA & Hayley Barbour don't sell him out and really support McCollum. This year, in a partisan atmosphere, Crist should likely run for reelection as Governor as an independent and then try a 2012 Senate run against Nelson. This could be his best path to entend his political career.

Posted by: reason5 | April 21, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The word 'Republican' has been removed from the following website as of yesterday: http://charliecrist.com/

So you decide whether he is switching parties or not.

Posted by: charlie-s | April 21, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Crist might just stay in the GOP race if it looks like Rubio is irreparably damaged by this credit card scandal. He could be damaged goods by the time the primary rolls around.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | April 21, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

'Losing on principle made Lieberman"

I'm sorry, one may not use a sentence that contains the words 'principle' and Lieberman -- it is logically inconsistent.

Lieberman won because he had the support of Rush Limbaugh and neocons -- and the republicans threw their own candidate under the bus [less than 5% support] and went for him en masse.

Posted by: drindl | April 21, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

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