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W.Va. Gov. Joe Manchin set to run for Byrd's seat; GOP seeks direction



By Aaron Blake

West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin (D) said Friday that he will almost definitely run for the open Senate seat in West Virginia this year, a move that should provide a measure of relief for Democrats concerned about another battleground this year.

But are Republicans ready to throw in the towel in a race that isn't even official yet?

Manchin said on MSNBC's Daily Rundown Friday morning that it is "highly likely" that he will run for the seat held by the late Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.). He even broached the process for replacing himself as governor - a sure sign that the deal is as good as sealed.

"I want to serve my state to the highest possible position I can," Manchin said. "(There are) a lot of important things not just for my state, but for this nation. I look forward to having the opportunity to serve."

Manchin also said that he would ask the legislature to review the state's special election process, in order to settle a dispute between the secretary of state's office and the attorney general's office about whether there could be race this year. Attorney General Darrell McGraw (D) issued a ruling Thursday that the special election could be held this year, but the law is murky, and Secretary of State Natalie Tennant (D) has said it should force a 2012 race.

"I've talked to all the legal scholars," Manchin said. "We need have the legislature come back in and clarify this as quickly as possible."

By moving to put the issue before the state legislature, Manchin is removing any lingering doubts about whether the special election could be held this year. And with the extremely popular governor throwing his name in the hat, it now puts the onus on the GOP to field a strong challenge.

Many Republicans are skeptical that the GOP's top hope in the race, Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), is ready to run against Manchin - especially when she might have a better shot at succeeding him as governor.

But a source close to the Capito campaign said there are too many unknown variables at this point to declare her out of the race. The congresswoman herself is overseas on official congressional business and could not be reached.

The source said the difficulty of the race would play into Capito's decision.

"She hasn't ruled that out," said the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to speak more candidly. "One of the things you do when you consider running for a race is look at prospective opponents and how you can beat them. That will go into her decision-making process."

If Capito doesn't run though, the GOP will have to find another standard-bearer - something that will be tough.

Some candidates mentioned include wealthy businessman John Raese, who lost badly to Byrd in 2006; former Secretary of State Betty Ireland; former state Sen. Steve Harrison; state Sen. Mike Hall; and League of American Voters executive director Bob Adams, who ran for state Treasurer in 2004.

But unless a candidate has millions to self-fund, raising money for such a short campaign will be difficult for a little-known candidate, and there aren't any big names outside of Capito.

"Republicans in the state unfortunately haven't done a good job cultivating statewide candidates," said GOP consultant Brian Donahue, who was executive director for the Bush-Cheney campaign in the state in 2004.

Complicating matters for the GOP is the prospect of an open special election, which Manchin's people are reportedly floating. Such an option would put all candidates in one giant special election without any party nominees. It would also appear to favor the governor, by potentially splitting up the GOP vote against him.

Manchin could justify the option by pointing out that it would avoid the cost of a primary election and would take the decision on party nominees out of party leaders' hands.

Republicans insist that might not be ideal for Manchin, especially if a liberal Democrat runs against him. As we saw in the Hawaii special election in May, clearing the field for the frontrunner would be a top priority on both sides.

Republicans say that they can make it a race against Manchin by running the race on federal issues and making it a referendum on that national Democratic leadership. But Manchin has often taken steps to separate himself from the national party, including keeping distance between himself and Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) during the 2004 presidential election and restating this week that he would oppose the Democrats' cap and trade energy bill (a no-brainer in coal-reliant West Virginia).

With so many unknowns, it's going to be hard for the GOP to get a sense of direction. Democrats already have that with Manchin, which will give them a leg up in such a short race.

By Washington Post Editors  |  July 9, 2010; 12:25 PM ET
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I am from West Virginia and im mad he would take this long to do this. Just another politician power hungry. I know they will be about 9% unemployed and their families not voting for him because he is power hungry and wants the seat so bad.I worked in office campaing of his in charleston years ago and now i will work on blogs and many other things so people dont forget

Posted by: jdays38 | July 13, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

FYI

All,

1. Ceflynline and Fairlinton: Thanks for your thoughtfulness and patience. I believe that the comments section will get better sooner rather than later so hopefully it will be rewarded.

2. 37th/Heatwave has been banned AGAIN. Not sure what else I can do other than keep banning him. And he will continue to return under other names.

3. ChrisFox/Noa: The comparison between you and 37th is based on your desire to return repeatedly under other names despite being banned. I continue to be baffled as to why you spend so much time getting back to a blog you disdain so much but that's another conversation.

4. To everyone else: Commenting on blogs remains very much a work in progress. The Post's goal is to allow as free a discussion as possible without permitting personal attacks and other online savagery. It seems a pretty easy goal to meet. Treat people online like you would offline.

Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | June 29, 2010 9:18 PM

Posted by: mariewilson11 | July 12, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, ceflynline, if you've had that dried squid in Cần Thơ then I bet you got it on the waterfront, that brick walk by the CT river. Back in 1998 there was more of that for sale than espresso in Seattle; it's still there but now you have to walk a few feet to get it, it's not as big as it was. I used to call that the potato chip of VN.

My partner was watching some TV serial on DVD that had images from VN at the opening and the credits .. there was one, showed that waterfront, the most astonishing feeling .. I looked at the picture on the screen and turned around in my head, knew exactly where the cameraman had to have been standing, a balcony of a hotel room, and while I'd never been on the balcony I had been on the roof, having ice cream and coffee one night. A picture on the other side of the world.

Cần Thơ is a really great city. Very middle class, nice people, easy on the ears, not so hot that you drench your clothes just walking around like TPHCM.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 11, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Hates off to ceflynline, if you've eaten mục nướng in Việt Nam then I need say no more.

Last visit we ate with relatives in a riverside restaurant, with one of those conical charcoal pots in the middle of the table, squid, prawns, scallops, okra, grilled from raw, a to-die-for meal that the trolls here can only view as to-die-from and I guess that's their fücking problem. Four people and a kid, expensive cans of soda water for the two of us, total $7.

Sneer all you want, trolls, you guys will never have an experience as good as that with your factory beef and your sawdust bread.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 10, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"Squid really sucks. Posted by: Brigade | July 9, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse --- That's it, Brigade!!! You've gone too far now. Mind you, the frozen and deep fried rubber bands sold at many places don't appeal to me either. But sliced, marinated in olive oil and garlic, and sauteed, it's a beautiful thing. Grilled too. ;-) BB Posted by: FairlingtonBlade"

Ehh, they do have this dried squid in Cantho, eaten with pepper sauce, that doubles in volume about every third chew, (but Brigade has never tried it, I am sure.) Im have had a really good version of squid with cucumbers in red wine on Okinawa, but it was absolutely fresh squid.

But I assume the same purple rice field crab I had in Thailand exists in Viet Nam, and that is the ONLY crab anybody ever ought to eat. Wonderful and since it feeds on things that fall off rice plants, and maybe rice beetles and their grubs, it isn't your typical Cajun Crab that lives in what ran off every farm over a third of a continent.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 10, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Squid really sucks. Posted by: Brigade

Is this Navy-based homosexu@l humor?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 10, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

So much for the boat and wife and kids.

Posted by: drindl | July 10, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Squid really sucks.

Posted by: Brigade | July 9, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

---

That's it, Brigade!!! You've gone too far now. Mind you, the frozen and deep fried rubber bands sold at many places don't appeal to me either. But sliced, marinated in olive oil and garlic, and sauteed, it's a beautiful thing. Grilled too.

;-)

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 10, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Noacoler

When you get to Vietnam, you are going to join the Communist Party, right ?


I guess that would work - until they peg you as a spy and hang you upside down in a pit -

When they do that, you will remember day and night that I warned you, over and over again.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"Now it's midnight in America"

another R down on America.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 9, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

37th, you're the one everyone here wants gone, regardless of political affiliation.

Except maybe Brigade, but he's just trying to be disgusting.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

You don't like squid? Your loss. Squid goes with bell peppers like chili goes with cornbread. You probably don't like squid for the same reason I don't like mushrooms, the texture.

YOu "gipper" lowered the United States of America to rogue status, running guns to teen terror gangs, Yeah. morning in America. Really something to be proud of.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Jimmy Carter had solar panels installed on the White House roof to signify America's commitment to renewable energy sources. Ronald Reagan had them removed to signify America's defiance of science and its commitment to nutty free market fundamentalism,

Go to this site and click the link to urge President Obama to restore the solar panels:
---

If Carter hadn't been a total nincompoop, Kennedy wouldn't have challenged him and Reagan wouldn't have been elected. Thank God for the Gipper. Morning in America. Now it's midnight in America. Where's the link to urge President Obama to get rid of the industry hack Salazar?

Posted by: Brigade | July 9, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler,
"Crabs tonight? Doubt it."

---

If you should get them, you can always pick up some ointment at the drugstore. But you'll have to shave before applying it.

Squid really sucks.

Posted by: Brigade | July 9, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Carter had solar panels installed on the White House roof to signify America's commitment to renewable energy sources. Ronald Reagan had them removed to signify America's defiance of science and its commitment to nutty free market fundamentalism,

Go to this site and click the link to urge President Obama to restore the solar panels:

http://putsolaron.it/whitehouse/thanks/?key=42021734

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, in addition to being a malignant idiot, you're an ignorant lout who trades in Cold War caricatures.

Hospitals in VN are clean and new, and subsidized so even the very poor have access to care. You forget, it's a socialist economy where looking after the people is more than lip service. One of the things that grouses American Vietnamese still smarting from the Communists is how difficult it is to demonize a government that has built so many schools and hospitals while under our guy before the overthrow all the money went to cronies' pockets, just like it did here under the Republicans you think are so cool.

Yeah there are brownouts, but the grid is getting better. I will grant you that.

Refrigerators are in most homes but they're only for dessert and drinks because all the food is fresh. The pork on your plate was a live pig a few hours ago and didn't spend a week or a month in packaging and in a store. Nobody refrigerates meat or vegetables.

Yeah most of the country is poor. It was a lot poorer before the Communists, but people are entering the middle class from below by the millions, not headed out of it downward like we are here under your precious free market.

People don't work? Know any Vietnamese Americans? Do they strike you as lazy? Think they acquired a work ethic on Ellis Island? You're daft. You should see the night schools. Yeah, lazy people.

Desperate to emigrate? Tell that to all the VN-Americans who have moved back. Ask them why.

No free press? Hmmm, that's a good one. Freer than here, don't have Israel dictating what they can print and what they can't like we have.

And so on, and so on, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. And I think I know a little more than you do about owning land there, I own two houses and four other plots of land that're returning a hell of a lot more than you get frantically updating your handheld for a few lousy high-stress bucks.

Yeah, off to the boat with your wife and kids. Sure, zouk, and your trillions of dollars. That's why you were sending "friend requests" to hoo-ers on modelmania. Busted.

Crabs tonight? Doubt it. I'll be having squid and scallops, every night.

hahahhaha you should go there and see for yourself, but be sure to bind your head first so when it explodes the fragments don't injure people who are better than you in every way.

Noacoler
Capitalist Running Dog, Parrot Owner, Future ExPat

2441 characters

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Even Ras has Manchin up over Capito by 14 in a hypothetical matchup:

"Manchin leads Republican Rep. Shelly Moore Capito by 53%-39%, and leads former West Virginia Secretary of State Betty Ireland by 65%-26%. The survey of likely voters has a ±4.5% margin of error."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/rasmussen-poll-wv-dem-gov-joe-manchin-leads-for-byrds-seat.php

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 9, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

JRM

it's your turn to sit the Ped.

Tag

you're it!

Posted by: present-and-unaccounted-for | July 9, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Ped is off to communist "paradise".

no clean water
no electricity
no hospitals
no schools
men sit around and smoke all day, never work
citizens are sickly thin due to lack of enough food and refrigeration
desperate for any progress, began experimenting with capitalism
rampant inflation
downward spiraling economy
citizens desperate to emmigrate
no free press
no rule of law in the fair sense, must be a member of the party
desperate poverty for most
foreigners (aka, capitalist dogs), however can bring in their money and live like kings, using the locals as slaves
just don't dare convert it to Dong or it will be worthless in months
no property ownership allowed by foreigners

some paradise you got there fool. Sounds like where Obungler wants to drag the US.

Enjoy your dream world Ped. I am off to the boat with the wife and kids. Perhaps crabs tonight.

Posted by: present-and-unaccounted-for | July 9, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, but JRM2, it's not working because we didn't deregulat *enough*.

There are still some hindrances, pardon me, *market distortions*, things like child labor laws, environmental regulations, workplace safety, minimum wage .. all these impediments prevent that magic market genie from working, they keep him in the bottle so to speak, and so it's no wonder the middle class aren't all billionaires.

Any time you impose a regulation you make things worse! Let me give you an example.

Suppose a restaurant owner adds a teaspoon of malathion to each bowl of soup. Out in the parking lot his patrons writhe and die in convulsive agony. Do we put him in jail? Do we pass a regulation blocking malathion in soup? WRONG.

You let the marketplace decide! Potential patrons see the corpses in the parking lot and they DON'T ORDER THE SOUP! They get the fried chicken instead. See? THE MARKET WORKS.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked the rich still have their tax cuts so how come the economy isn't just roaring right now?

What is it?, like ten years of tax cuts for the rich and now the biggest disparity between the rich and the poor, a crummy economy and no increase in income level for the middle class during that period?

Isn't that the one and only economic plank in the Republican party?

Yeah, right, it's working.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 9, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Let me rub your nose in it a bit, zouk.

I've built a house in southeast Asia in a Communist country with a command economy and highly regulated capitalism. Where guns are illegal, where the currency deals in thousands of units instead of ones, where there is no Bill of Rights, and where the gyms have to be air-conditioned otherwise you'll get heatstroke lifting weights.

I will, by choice, move out of a free market economy that has failed to learn from thirty years of evidence that its market fundamentalism doesn't work into a socialist economy that in defiance of such thinking is growing and expanding and where the middle class is thriving.

A Confucian culture that reveres the aged instead of warehousing them as inconvenient because they can no longer "create wealth" for their coporate masters.

A country where the food is delicious and made from fresh ingredients just prior to eating and away from a country where food is made in factories months before and tastes no better than sawdust or ball bearings.

A country where people are slender and healthy and away from a country where people are fat and sickly.

And I will be bringing my parrots, who are too smart to believe in that Laffer junk you believe in, and whose recitations of "baaaad bird" and "hi April" are smarter than your ridiculous claims of having a boat and a family.

You stay here and continue to push supply side and hope the bridges you drive over don't collapse. Or you don't disappear down a pothole nobody can afford to fix because some billionaire didn't want to pay more taxes.


ahahhhahah you dope.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

No such thing as "crap nobody wants

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

On the contrary, there is your opinion and writings.

Reagan majored in econ and understood
it well as evidenced by the record expansion as a result of his policies.

Obama may have gone to college (secret) and most certainly flunked any econ he took. as a result the community organizer :

President Obama thus does not seem to understand this, and that may reveal an incomprehension or dislike for the role of private investment in a free economy. Indeed, we have seen Democrats since Bill Clinton speaking of government spending as "investment." But while some government spending for infrastructure can be economically productive, most of it (including "Bridge to Nowhere" infrastructure) is directed as political payoffs that almost never result in profitable enterprises, i.e. businesses that do not need subsidies, monopolies, or other protections to survive. Taxing and spending in general is a negative sum game generated by and for rent seekers.

Tax and spend politics thus is politically responsive to rent seekers (these days especially public employee unions) and is entirely unconcerned at the manner in which this draws capital out of the economy and so undercuts economic development, increases in productivity, and the provision of comsumer goods. Indeed, there also may lurk behind this an ideology that is hostile to consumer goods, and consumers, as representing "unncessary desires" that waste resources, exploit the Third World, and harm the Earth. It is therefore possible that President Obama does understand the role of capital in the growth of a consumer economy. He just (privately) disapproves of it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I suggest you head over to the dollar store Ped where your ignorance might find a market clearing price.

Please return to ignoring me loser. The bird is certainly more on your mental level. and besides, being in a cage, he can't get away from you, the only solution to the supply/demand function for your friends.

Posted by: present-and-unaccounted-for | July 9, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"Kip" Lewis might be a good choice.

Posted by: gfafblifr | July 9, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

great stuff, zouk.

So if I start making buggy whips or typewriters or Model 50 phones, all I have to do is set the price low enough and the ol' magic of the marketplace will make me rich. No such thing as overproduction.

No such thing as "crap nobody wants"

Ri-i-i-i-ght.

Even a mental like you should be able to see through that.

Economics is junk.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

But Hoover, Roosevelt, and Keynes had it all backwards. The proper economic principle is called "Say's Law," for Jean Baptiste Say (1767-1832), that "supply creates demand." This means that "overproduction" in a free economy is actually impossible. This happens to have been the topic of the doctoral dissertation of the great economist Thomas Sowell, now available as Say's Law, An Historical Analysis [Princeton University Press, 1972] [5].

Why Say's Law is correct is evident from one simple consideration: if inventory doesn't sell, then prices will be cut until it does. Or, if a manufacturer wants to sell to a mass market, he knows that he can't wait until everyone can afford something expensive; he knows that he has to market his product at a low enough price that it will begin to sell

Supply side" economics is now associated with Arthur Laffer and his advice in the late 70's that the highest tax rates should be cut, which would free up private capital and produce economic growth, which then would result in higher tax revenues. Although cutting tax rates produced the "seven fat years" from 1982-89, and tax receipts actually did increase, this advice is now commonly disparaged as "tax cuts for the rich " and falsely blamed for growing federal budget deficits in the '80's [8]. The thinking seems to be that the profits of business should either be given directly to workers through pay raises or be taken by the government to be given to workers indirectly. Producing greater profits is thought of as useless and immoral.


a statement by Barack Obama:


Now, what we're doing, I want to be clear, we're not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. [April 29, 2010, speaking in Qunicy, Illinois, ]

The idea that someone would have "made enough money" at some point may reveal the extent to which President Obama may neither like nor understand capitalism. People (like lawyers, Presidents) may have large incomes. This may be what is meant by "making money." But many people with large incomes simply spend them, which means in the end they actually end up "making" no money. If they lose the income, they have nothing. A more substantial meaning for "making money" is therefore to save money out of one's income, put it away, invest it, and then have the income of those investements even after loss of one's previous, regular income, as at retirement. Anyone who thinks at $100,000 year would be a nice income, and might be able to invest money at a 5% return for a year, needs to save and invest $2,000,000 to get the desired income.


http://www.friesian.com/sayslaw.htm

Poor Ped. Please ask the parrot to explain this to you.

Posted by: present-and-unaccounted-for | July 9, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Flowers," you said at 2:21 p.m.:

"Let's be reasonable here...

And yet we have EVIDENCE of Obama's racism...

- Obama directs his people to make FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM AGAINST WHITES - on a regular basis.

Now reasonable people have to see these facts..."

Uh, where is THIS coming from??? Are you sitting in on meetings in the White House?

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | July 9, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I keep forgetting that you are ignoring me. Seems like your stable of friends is again reduced to the inflatable kind.

Economics is spooky and impenetrable - to LIBS. Of course it is. Hence the state of nature under the leadership of the communists. no jobs, no growth, no demand, no housing, nada. Lib economics in full bloom. should be just about time for a huge tax increase.

shouldn't you be discussing Plato with a Macaw. He had you beat last time and I'm sure you desire retribution.

Me - Just about time to pack and head to the boat for the weekend. A voyage to Great Oak this Saturday.

Have fun ranting hate and envy all weekend, nonstop Ped.

Posted by: present-and-unaccounted-for | July 9, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Laffer of the Laffer curve? Hahahahahah. Nobody needs to call him a kook, the crucible of the American economy already did that. Supply side economics doesn't work, it was a complete failure.

Way to go, zouk, who do you quote next? Bozo the Clown?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

HEY MODERATOR. HEY AARON AND FELICIA. HEY, CC.

HEY, WASHINGTON POST

Would you guys please get rid of this FlowersForPeace garbage? He does the same post over and over in each thread and every thread and it's all junk. Everyone wants him gone, he's a deteriorated methamphetamine junkie and he posts here around the clock.

The racist junk he posts is offensive as hell and his posts are unintelligible. What the hell is wrong with you people that you let this go on?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The democrats time and time again have stated that they want to make "False Charges of Racism" a rallying call that they will use against WHITES.

Clearly, this has been a dangerous strategy for the democrats - because it will come back at them.

Disregarding all the advice to stop these charges - and to knock it off - we see democrats, including on this blog, making these FALSE CHARGES over and over again.


This behavior will be an issue.

This behavior will be called out.

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

“The only job the Democrats are trying to protect right now is Nancy Pelosi, because they haven’t been able to protect anyone else’s job,”

Posted by: present-and-unaccounted-for | July 9, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

If you are an American - you have a choice


YOU ARE EITHER WITH OBAMA AND THE BLACK PANTHERS WHO WANT TO KILL WHITE BABIES.


Or you are on the side of the Constitution of the United States of America.


It is your choice.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

drinl


The reason you get postings like that is because you think it is appropriate to make false and unfounded charges of racism against whites.

People are sick of it - People are sick of you.

You sit here all day - post all the time.


and you say some outrageous things.

You have a problem - and everyone disagrees with you.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Economist Art Laffer points out something that should be "Well, duh" to anyone who doesn't have his head firmly planted in his proctological region: It's not an economic stimulus if the Government is paying people to do nothing.


The idea that higher unemployment benefits won't lead to more unemployment doesn't make much sense. Imagine what the unemployment rate would look like if unemployment benefits were universally $150,000 per year. My guess is we'd have a heck of a lot more unemployment.

Laffer believes that a temporary suspension in Federal Taxes would have provided more economic activity than the "Stimulus" did. His common sense analysis has led the left to denounce him as a kook. But remember, these are the same people who think the way to ease our dependence on foreign oil is to make it illegal to drill for any oil domestically. Look at your total Federal Withholding, and imagine that was income for six months. I bet you could do some serious economic stimulatin' with it.

Even the Swedes get it, that's why they they cut their corporate tax rate down to 2/3rd what ours is.

Posted by: present-and-unaccounted-for | July 9, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

People are sick of YOU.

And so am I. like everyone else, I am leaving. Work is finished, nice out today.

You and zoukie pleasure yourselves together.

Posted by: drindl | July 9, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Gerson's column is stunning in its clarity. From an unexpected quarter.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 9, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Unaccounted for


I asked you before what you think the solution is.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"If you are an American - you have a choice


YOU ARE EITHER WITH OBAMA AND THE BLACK PANTHERS WHO WANT TO KILL WHITE BABIES"

nice, CC. This is what the Washington Post wants on its blogs?

A FILTHY RACIST METH ADDICT?

Posted by: drindl | July 9, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

drinl


You don't answer the charges against you - that you are racist against whites because you constantly make unfounded charges against whites.

People are sick of this.

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

drinl


You don't answer the charges against you - that you are racist against whites because you constantly make unfounded charges against whites.

People are sick of this.

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

If you are an American - you have a choice


YOU ARE EITHER WITH OBAMA AND THE BLACK PANTHERS WHO WANT TO KILL WHITE BABIES.

Or you are on the side of the Constitution of the United States of America.

It is your choice.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

still all drivl and flowers.

what a waste of some empty lives.

since Ped == flowers according to our host, we can expect this trend to continue on into the evening and throughout the weekend.

It's the pointless Ped, Drivl and Flowers show. all idiocy, all the time.

I only pause to mention that at least flowers isn't brimming with hate and envy like the other two misfits.

Posted by: present-and-unaccounted-for | July 9, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"But mainstream conservatives have been strangely disoriented by Tea Party excess, unable to distinguish the injudicious from the outrageous. Some rose to Angle's defense or attacked her critics. Just to be clear: A Republican Senate candidate has identified the United States Congress with tyranny and contemplated the recourse to political violence.

This is disqualifying for public office. It lacks, of course, the seriousness of genuine sedition. It is the conservative equivalent of the Che Guevara T-shirt -- a fashion, a gesture, a toying with ideas the wearer only dimly comprehends. The rhetoric of "Second Amendment remedies" is a light-weight Lexington, a cut-rate Concord. It is so far from the moral weightiness of the Founders that it mocks their memory.


The Republican wave also carries along a group of libertarians, such as Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul. Since expressing a preference for property rights above civil rights protections -- revisiting the segregated lunch counter -- Paul has minimized his contact with the media. The source of this caution is instructive. The fear is not that Paul will make gaffes or mistakes but, rather, that he will further reveal his own political views.

In America, the ideology of libertarianism is itself a scandal. It involves not only a retreat from Obamaism but a retreat from the most basic social commitments to the weak, the elderly and the disadvantaged, along with a withdrawal from American global commitments.

Libertarianism has a rigorous ideological coldness at its core. Voters are alienated when that core is exposed. And Paul is now neck and neck with his Democratic opponent in a race a Republican should easily win.

In addition, the Republican wave carries along a group more interested in stigmatizing immigrants than winning their support. Some conservatives have found Arizona's anti-immigration law -- a law that is poorly written, ineffective, symbolically toxic and likely to be overturned -- a cause worth fighting for.

The response of many responsible Republicans to these ideological trends is to stay quiet, make no sudden moves and hope they go away. But these are not merely excesses; they are arguments. Significant portions of the Republican coalition believe that it is a desirable strategy to talk of armed revolution, embrace libertarian purity and alienate Hispanic voters. With a major Republican victory in November, those who hold these views may well be elevated in profile and influence. And this could create durable, destructive perceptions of the Republican Party that would take decades to change. A party that is intimidated and silent in the face of its extremes is eventually defined by them. "

Michael Gerson, conservative

Posted by: drindl | July 9, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The democrats like drinl - CONSTANTLY MAKE FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM AGAINST WHITES.

This amounts to nothing less than RACISM AGAINST WHITES.

Because such charges are only against whites - not blacks.


The Black Panthers say they want to kill white babies.


AND YET, OBAMA JUST DROPPED CHARGES AGAINS THE PERSON WHO SAID HE WANTS TO KILL WHITE BABIES.

The democrats have to answer these charges.

This is NOT THE POST-RACIAL environment Obama and the democrats promised the nation.

This issue WILL BE BROUGHT UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

We have to listen to drinl, broadwayjoe, and ddawd with this garbage every day. It is unbelievable.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Drinl


I am going to tell you one more time - do not make unfounded charges of racism.


Obama has gotten away with this too many times.

THIS IS WILL BE AN ELECTION ISSUE - the democratic party is making outrageous CHARGES and they will pay for it.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"But mainstream conservatives have been strangely disoriented by Tea Party excess, unable to distinguish the injudicious from the outrageous. Some rose to Angle's defense or attacked her critics. Just to be clear: A Republican Senate candidate has identified the United States Congress with tyranny and contemplated the recourse to political violence.

This is disqualifying for public office. It lacks, of course, the seriousness of genuine sedition. It is the conservative equivalent of the Che Guevara T-shirt -- a fashion, a gesture, a toying with ideas the wearer only dimly comprehends. The rhetoric of "Second Amendment remedies" is a light-weight Lexington, a cut-rate Concord. It is so far from the moral weightiness of the Founders that it mocks their memory.


The Republican wave also carries along a group of libertarians, such as Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul. Since expressing a preference for property rights above civil rights protections -- revisiting the segregated lunch counter -- Paul has minimized his contact with the media. The source of this caution is instructive. The fear is not that Paul will make gaffes or mistakes but, rather, that he will further reveal his own political views.

In America, the ideology of libertarianism is itself a scandal. It involves not only a retreat from Obamaism but a retreat from the most basic social commitments to the weak, the elderly and the disadvantaged, along with a withdrawal from American global commitments.

Libertarianism has a rigorous ideological coldness at its core. Voters are alienated when that core is exposed. And Paul is now neck and neck with his Democratic opponent in a race a Republican should easily win.

In addition, the Republican wave carries along a group more interested in stigmatizing immigrants than winning their support. Some conservatives have found Arizona's anti-immigration law -- a law that is poorly written, ineffective, symbolically toxic and likely to be overturned -- a cause worth fighting for.

The response of many responsible Republicans to these ideological trends is to stay quiet, make no sudden moves and hope they go away. But these are not merely excesses; they are arguments. Significant portions of the Republican coalition believe that it is a desirable strategy to talk of armed revolution, embrace libertarian purity and alienate Hispanic voters. With a major Republican victory in November, those who hold these views may well be elevated in profile and influence. And this could create durable, destructive perceptions of the Republican Party that would take decades to change. A party that is intimidated and silent in the face of its extremes is eventually defined by them. "

Michael Gerson, conservative

Posted by: drindl | July 9, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Capito is often AWOL, from this WV blog:

"We noticed Vic Sprouse, the owner of overpriced gyms who "consults" for GOP candidates still can't say one single thing positive about his candidate Shelley Moore Capito.

In a post where Sprouse drew attention inadvertantly to the fact that All Points Bulletins have been put out for the missing Capito (check the country club golf course!), he failed to list a single event Capito has attended.

Not one.

Zero. Zilch. Zip.

I bet Sprouse's email is burning up alright, but it's from a fellow Pennsylvanian political consultant for Capito asking him to avoid drawing contrasts between the ineffective and rarely seen Capito with the highly visible and highly effective Anne Barth that make Anne Barth look so much better in comparison. "

http://www.wvablue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3879

'Country club golf course.'

That gives us a clue what Capito is all about and what they think of her in WV.

Posted by: drindl | July 9, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Drinl


Let's be reasonable here


YOU have nothing to say that the Tea Party is racist.


And yet we have EVIDENCE of Obama's racism


- Obama brought his children to Rev. Wright's church - which is basically a black version of the KKK

- Obama dropped the case against the Black Panthers -

- Obama directs his people to make FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM AGAINST WHITES - on a regular basis.


Now reasonable people have to see these facts - and wonder if you should be committed to an insane aslyum.

Seriously drinl - We have been nice about it - and we asked you to stop -

but please don't continue with the FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM AGAINST WHITES.

BECAUSE IT IS RACIST AGAINST WHITES - JUST LIKE OBAMA IS.

So, reasonable people are telling to stop with the garbage.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Capito is often AWOL, from this WV blog:

"We noticed Vic Sprouse, the owner of overpriced gyms who "consults" for GOP candidates still can't say one single thing positive about his candidate Shelley Moore Capito.

In a post where Sprouse drew attention inadvertantly to the fact that All Points Bulletins have been put out for the missing Capito (check the country club golf course!), he failed to list a single event Capito has attended.

Not one.

Zero. Zilch. Zip.

I bet Sprouse's email is burning up alright, but it's from a fellow Pennsylvanian political consultant for Capito asking him to avoid drawing contrasts between the ineffective and rarely seen Capito with the highly visible and highly effective Anne Barth that make Anne Barth look so much better in comparison. "

http://www.wvablue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3879

'Country club golf course.'

That gives us a clue what Capito is all about and what they think of her in WV.

Posted by: drindl | July 9, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Drain You, did you read Gerson on the wapo today? I seldom do, but today has has a solid piece on where the racism and looniness of the tebaggers was going to cost the Republican party. Despite an initial dig at 'liberals' -- he can't help himself -- it is spot on.

he said Angle's 'second amendment solution' remark should disqualify her from running. That we have a Senate candidate who advocated assasinating congresspeople you don't agree with, is a development that SHOULD make republicans think about where their party is going.

Posted by: drindl | July 9, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Another great story is up at MN Post, on the DFL primary race for Gov. The three way battle between endorsed candidate Margaret Anderson Kelliher (and current speaker of MN House), former Sen Mark Dayton and Matt Entenza is heating up. Dayton is considered to be in the lead, while Entenza is a real wildcard, according to Hennepin county attorney Mike Freeman.

Grow (the author) reviews a little history, going back to the 1998 battle for the open governorship - a race eventually won by Jesse Ventura (former Sen Coleman was the GOP candidate in that race).

"Freeman, the son of former Gov. Orville Freeman, was the DFL's endorsed candidate in 1998, the year of the great race among huge DFL names... [T]here was Skip Humphrey, the son of former Vice President Hubert Humphrey. And Ted Mondale, son of former Vice President Walter Mondale. And Dayton, of Minnesota's signature department store family."

http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2010/07/09/19557/for_the_next_month_the_dfls_three_gubernatorial_fishers_will_be_angling_for_elusive_primary_votes

Notably, two of the losers in that election went on to become Senators - Dayton & Repub candidate Coleman. Of course, Dayton served only one term & is now looking for his 3rd statewide bite at the apple in his 2nd run for governor.

Posted by: bsimon1 | July 9, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

GOP CONGRESSMAN: GOP IS LED BY DEMAGOGUES


Congressman Inglis (R-SC) charges that his own party is being led by demagogues like Palin and Beck. Well, he felt it on his own skin after losing a primary because of his critique of Beck. Still, this interview with AP is rather stunning.


And the GOP congressman does not pull any punches.


** From condeming GOP leaders:


He cited a claim made famous by Palin that the Democratic health care bill would create "death panels" to decide whether elderly or sick people should get care.


"There were no death panels in the bill ... and to encourage that kind of fear is just the lowest form of political leadership. It's not leadership. It's demagoguery," said Inglis, one of three Republican incumbents who have lost their seats in Congress to primary and state party convention challengers this year.


"I think we have a lot of leaders that are following those (television and talk radio) personalities and not leading," he said. "What it takes to lead is to say, 'You know, that's just not right.'"


** To warnings about the consequences:


Inglis said voters eventually will discover that you're "preying on their fears" and turn away.


"It's a real concern, because I think what we're doing is dividing the country into partisan camps that really look a lot like Shia and Sunni," he said, referring to the two predominant Islamic denominations that have feuded for centuries. "It's very difficult to come together to find solutions."


** To admitting harassing of Democratic congressmen by Teabagger thugs:


Inglis said he was shocked during the health care votes as he watched protesters jeering Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat who was beaten as a leading civil rights activist in the 1960s.


Inglis said he was too far away during the jeering incident to hear whether the protesters shouted racial epithets, as Lewis and other black lawmakers have claimed. But Inglis said the behavior was threatening and abusive.


"I caught him at the door and said, 'John, I guess you've been here before,'" Inglis said.


** To admitting racism as one of the moving forces behind today's GOP:


Inglis, 50, who calls himself a Jack Kemp disciple because he has emphasized outreach to minorities as the late Republican congressman did, thinks racism is a part of the vitriol directed at President Barack Obama.


"I love the South. I'm a Southerner. But I can feel it," he said.


A stunning interview.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_REPUBLICAN_CRITIC?SITE=TXWIC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


Posted by: DrainYou | July 9, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I guess the Secretary of State has the final ruling - until the legislature acts.


The legislation has a legitimate conflict between the various provisions.

PLEASE NOTE - yesterday's quote on the Fix said the PRIMARY may be held in November, not the SPECIAL GENERAL.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 9, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Gallenod, Eric Black of MN Post digs into why it may not be a great idea to appoint oneself to a vacancy:

http://www.minnpost.com/ericblack/2010/07/09/19579/post-byrd_situation_in_w_va_remindful_of_minnesota_massacre

Point being: it didn't work out so well for Gov, then Sen Wendell Anderson in Minnesota a touch over 30 years ago.

Posted by: bsimon1 | July 9, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Capito may well wait and run for governor in 2012. Former Sec. of state Betty Ireland could run and give Manchin a good run, and perhaps even win. I'm uncertain as to how good of a fundraiser she is. She won a statewide race in 2004, then dropped out as Sec. of state in 2008 to run for state senate. She could potentially be a good candidate for Republicans. Rep. Capito may well run for governor in 2012 instead of running for senate this year. Time will tell, but Manchin is moving through til the GE without a problem no question.

Posted by: reason5 | July 9, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he would appoint himself, gallenod. he's popular and that might damage him.

Posted by: drindl | July 9, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

according to Wikipedia, there hasn't been a successor for Byrd.

Anyone know of the legal status of the election? If Gov, SecState, and AG are all on board, it's a done deal, right?

Posted by: DDAWD | July 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"I am interested if Manchin still has to name a interim senator, though. Anyone know if that is the case?"


I thought he already did.

Repubs might be smarter, if the election is held this year, to put up token opposition this time & try to ride coattails in the presidential year 2012.

Posted by: bsimon1 | July 9, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

He will likely appoint someone to keep the seat warm to make sure WV has full representation and the 59th D vote on hand for the next six months.

The interesting play would be if he appoints himself and not a caretaker.

Posted by: Gallenod | July 9, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The one good thing for Manchin is that even if the legislature sides with the SOS, he still comes out looking good. I am interested if Manchin still has to name a interim senator, though. Anyone know if that is the case?

Posted by: AndyR3 | July 9, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

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