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Specter (top left) vs. Sestak (bottom left) and Hutchison (top right) vs. Perry (bottom right) will be among the hottest primary contests to watch in 2010.

The recent decisions by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R) and Rep. Joe Sestak (D) to leave their current posts for contested primary fights ensures that the contests they joined -- the Texas governor's race and the Pennsylvania Senate race, respectively -- will be the two premier intraparty battles of 2010.

Neither announcement came as a huge surprise.

Friday Line

Hutchison had long been expected to challenge Gov. Rick Perry (R) but made clear last week that she would resign her Senate seat sometime in the fall to focus full time on what will be, without doubt, the nastiest primary of the 2010 election cycle.

Sestak, too, had been giving hints about his plans to run for months. But, his formal announcement earlier this week that he will indeed take on party-switching Sen. Arlen Specter next year sets up a fascinating contest that will test the limits of Democratic loyalty to President Obama and Gov. Ed Rendell (D-Pa.) among others.

While the primaries in Texas and Pennsylvania stand out as the two best of the cycle to come, there are tons of other terrific intraparty squabbles on the horizon. Below are our ratings of the ten best primaries in the country in 2010. Agree or disagree with our picks? Offer your thoughts in the comments section.

To the Line!

Coming onto the Line: New Hampshire Senate (R), California Governor (R), Connecticut Senate (R)

Coming off the Line: Kansas Senate (R), New York Senate (D), Florida Senate (R)

10. South Carolina Governor (R): Walk down Gervais Street in downtown Columbia and you are likely to run into a Republican political consultant every fifty feet. (Add one more to the mix as Joel Sawyer, former communications director for Gov. Mark Sanford is starting his own consulting business.) That surfeit of consultants -- and South Carolina's prime position in the GOP presidential nominating fight every four years -- means that the open seat governor's race in 2010 has considerable national implications. The race also features a group of high profile candidates including Rep. Gresham Barrett, state Attorney General Henry McMaster, Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer and state Sen. Nikki Haley. (Previous ranking: 9)

9. New Hampshire Senate (R): National Republicans rejoiced when Kelly Ayotte announced that she would resign as the state's attorney general to pursue a run for Senate. But, the increasingly likely candidacy of Ovide Lamontagne, who was the party's nominee for governor in 1996, complicates Ayotte's path to the nomination. Lamontagne would run to Ayotte's ideological right and use the support she has won from Washington Republicans against her. Remember that New Hampshire Republicans don't like being told what to do, priding themselves on their willingness to buck the party and choose the candidate they think best suits their state. See "McCain, John" in the 2000 presidential primaries. (Previous ranking: N/A)

8. Utah Senate (R): The somewhat strange process Utah Republicans use for picking their candidates for federal office ensures that Sen. Bob Bennett is in for a real race. Bennett will face a handful of aspiring Republicans -- led by state Attorney General Mark Shurtleff -- at next year's nominating convention. Bennett must win 60 percent of the delegates in attendance to avoid a primary; if he can't secure 60 percent, he would move into a primary fight against the second highest vote getter at the convention, which would presumably be Shurtleff. Bennett appears to be bracing for the likelihood of a primary fight against Shurtleff, raising $730,000 over the last three months to put financial distance between himself and his strongest challenger. (Previous ranking: 8)

7. Michigan Governor (R): Combine the dismal state of the Michigan economy and the relatively weak Democratic field and it quickly becomes clear how valuable winning the Republican nomination for governor in the Wolverine State will be. The GOP field is among the strongest of any in the country with state Attorney General Mike Cox the slight favorite for the nomination. The wild card in the Republican race is wealthy businessman Rick Snyder who seems set on spending freely from his own pocket to position himself as a problem-solving outsider -- not a bad message given the failures of elected officials in Michigan to turn around the state's economy. Does Snyder catch on? And, if so, who does his rise impact most? (Previous ranking: 6)

6. Connecticut Senate (R): With Sen. Chris Dodd (D) showing no signs of turning around his political fortunes just yet, the Republican nomination is looking more and more like a prize worth having. Former representative Rob Simmons is the frontrunner but former ambassador Tom Foley has a cadre of allies in Washington and a big checkbook to make sure that voters hear his case. Simmons' decision to come out in opposition to Judge Sonia Sotomayor's confirmation to the Supreme Court is evidence that he is concerned about protecting his ideological right flank against Foley. (Previous ranking: N/A)

5. Kentucky Senate (D): Just when we thought Lt. Gov. Dan Mongiardo and state Attorney General Jack Conway were going to play nice, they went to "Fancy Farm" -- a yearly political picnic of sorts -- and proved us dead wrong. Mongiardo sought to turn the race into a class war by deriding Conway as running to represent the "silver spoon crowd." Conway fought back, sort of, by referring to himself as "one tough son of a bitch." (He later apologized for his use of profanity but not before his comments spawned a hilarious parody.) This is going to be good. (Previous ranking: 7)

4. California Governor (R): Handicapping this race is next to impossible. Supporters of former eBay president Meg Whitman -- and there are many, both on and off her payroll, in Washington and California -- point to her fundraising success, her personal wealth and her profile as a successful businesswoman as evidence that she is a national star in the making. Backers of state Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner, who also has significant personal wealth, argue that Whitman is all show and no substance, and that voters will see through the consultant-heavy campaign Whitman is running. Still others believe that neither Whitman nor Poizner is the sort of candidate that California Republican primary voters are looking for and believe that a true conservative could get in the race and win the primary. We don't know what to think at the moment but here's what we know: whoever wins the primary -- especially if it's Whitman -- will draw huge amounts of national attention next year. (Previous ranking: N/A)

3. California Governor (D): The story lines in the Democratic gubernatorial race are the stuff of great fiction. One candidate is running for the job he held more than three decades ago and has spent the intervening years running for president (three times) and the Senate (once). The other candidate is young and charismatic, and has made national headlines for his aggressive advocacy of gay marriage as well as for the problems in his own marriage. Whether state Attorney General Jerry Brown or San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom winds up as the Democratic nominee, the path each man takes over the next year promises to be absolutely riveting. (Previous ranking: 3)

2. Pennsylvania Senate (D): Smart Pennsylvania insiders rightly dismiss polling that shows Specter with a wide lead over Sestak. This race will tighten considerably as Sestak works to play up the doubts that many Democratic primary voters already carry about Specter. The issue for Sestak is whether he can overcome the financial and organizational advantages that Specter enjoys in the race. Machine politics still matter in Pennsylvania Democratic primaries and the machine is squarely behind Specter. (Previous ranking: 2)

1. Texas Governor (R): The race that Texas Republicans have been waiting years to see now (finally) appears as though it will actually come to pass. Hutchison's announcement that she will resign her Senate seat to focus full time on the Perry primary means she is "all in" for this governor's race. National operatives -- particularly on Hutchison's side -- are already descending on the state in expectation of a primary for the ages. This race has everything: big stakes, two candidates who don't like each other personally, lots of money and good barbecue. The Fix will have to do a lot of on-the-ground reporting on this one over the next year! (Previous ranking: 1)

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Reason5, here is a close-to-home look at TX from today's Austin American-Statesman:

http://www.statesman.com/search/content/region/legislature/stories/08/10/0810texdems.html

money quote:

"Does Perry, who bested three major challengers in 2006 with 39 percent of the vote, have a respectable shot at vanquishing Hutchison in the primary? Will the U.S. economy be firmly on the upswing when voters start focusing on the 2010 governor's race? And can the Democrat count on Hispanic leaders, particularly in South Texas, to spur voter interest down the stretch?

If Hutchison wins the GOP nomination, Butts said, it'll be hard for a Democrat to beat her unless she emerges bloodied or scandal-tinged from the Perry showdown. And by her popularity, he said, Hutchison could even help Republicans win Texas House races.

'She can appeal to independent voters and women assuming she isn't just cut to shreds' in the primary, he said."
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In an open primary KBH kills Goodhair - unless there is a serious D Primary on the same day. In a "purified" R primary, free of half the Indies and all the Ds, Goodhair might win. But no Ds want to run against KBH, who is unbeatable. They all want to run against Goodhair.

Having said that, it is true Goodhair is a better campaigner and could "bloody" KBH in some way.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 10, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I think Rick Perry will win the Republican primary & the GE to keep his governor's post. He is an extremely well funded and a great campaigner. Hutchinson is a popular US Senator, but she has never been in a race like this one in which Perry will pound her to the ground. KBH will of course fight back, but my bet is on Perry. For the first time since 1994, Bush vs. Richards, we have a real race for Texas Governor: The Republican nomination: Perry vs. KBH. Specter vs. Sestek will be much tougher than polling suggests right now. This will be an extremely nasty fight and they will bash each other into oblivion. Specter will bash Sestek as someone arrogant and not caring for the needs of constituents, missing so many votes on the House floor and being extremely liberal & arrogant. Sestek will paint Specter as a flip flopper (EFCA) and as a turncoat. I can see the commercial now: Snarlin Arlen is the master of recognizing political manuvering of survival. After the last 4 years of voting with George W. Bush (picture of the 2 smiling), and now he wants to switch parties instead of taking heat from the people. Arlen Specter is a party switcher and if elected again, he may be a Democrat today & Republican tommorrow." Wow, this will be a dirty fight! I love it! The Utah Senate race will also be extremely nasty & competitive on a Conservative level. Here is my top 10 ratings:

1. Texas Governor (R): Perry vs. KBH
2. Pennsylvania Senate (D): Specter vs. Sestek
3. Utah Senate: (R) Shurtleff vs. Bennett
4. California Governor: (R) Whitman vs. Poizner vs. Campbell
5. Kansas Senate: (R) Moran vs. Thiart
6. Michigan Governor: (R) Cox vs. Snyder vs. Hoekstra vs. Bouchard
7. Kentucky Senate: (D) Mongairdo vs. Conway
8. Connecticut Senate: (R) Simmons vs. Foley
9. South Carolina Governor: (R) McMaster vs. Barrett vs. Bauer vs. Haley
10. Tennessee Governor: (R) Haslam vs. Wamp

I think the California Governor's race is slipping to Atty Gen. Brown. He has totally outraised Newsome and is leading in polls by huge margins. How will Newsom close that gap being outraised 7:1? I think Kansas will be a tough primary til the end: Moran with DC support & Thiart with Kansas grassroots support.

Posted by: reason5 | August 10, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

@BB:

Si quieres escrebín en Español aqui, necessítes poder usar los numeros con el "Alt"

http://www.astrohandbook.com/ch20/key_codes.pdf

I've got these all memorized. For Vietnamese I use a software.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 10, 2009 2:49 AM | Report abuse

@BB: Si, lo tengo, gracias por el corrección. Español no es una de mi "linguas buenas" pero lo puedo leer.

Chồng tôi là người Việt, chúng tôi cũng có nhiều người bạn Việt, và tiếng này một của "tiếng giởi" của tôi.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 10, 2009 2:23 AM | Report abuse

@broadwayjoe - I cited a poll specifically OF Latinos. It took a little while to find the breakdown of the Kos poll (people, please provide links!). I would argue a more relevant number within that poll was when respondents were asked would they like to see more Democrats (54%) or Republicans (21%) elected to Congress. That is down from the election, though I must note that these numbers haven't shifted significantly from right before the Sotomayor nomination (Dem-56%, Rep-24%).

I'm not the slightest bit surprised that the Republican party is creating a demographic time bomb for itself. I'd be shocked if any group broke down that starkly.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 10, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

@ChrisFox8 - Mi esposa es de Costa Rica y tenemos muchos amigos de Columbia, de Costa Rica, y otras lugares. Creo que conozco a muchas mas personas Latinas que usted.

Got it?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 10, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

From the dailykos article:

"Likewise with the birther movement. There is no documentation that can deflate it; there is no final number of reporters from the right, the left and the center who have, can or could go see the original certificate and report back that all is in order; there is no number of public birth announcements or assertions from the officials of the state of Hawaii that can dim the candle of their beliefs. Some of the them hold up signs with the President's name misspelled, Barrak, or with swastikas or sickles or other emblems of past tyrannies: they seem to be less than serious in their grounded explorations of the man's origins.

We didn't have a nationwide epidemic of people buying up weapons and ammunition under that terrible menace to the nation, Bill Clinton, though those years saw far more substantial gun legislation than anything any Democrat has proposed this decade. But when Barack Obama was elected, it started immediately, and continues to run full speed.

The last poll this site commissioned was startling. From a prominent and credible pollster, it showed beyond question how very explicitly racial the birther movement is, and it cannot help but raise questions of motive. Maybe this fight is a postmodern segregationist one after all, postmodern because it is not even about the thing it is purportedly about, but fought through weird three-times-removed proxy issues that even the participants themselves don't really grasp and heaven knows have no actual information on.

The mere continued presence of ingrained racism is nothing surprising. We had strong rattles of the old segregationists during the Reagan years, and over and over in every "immigration" debate from then until these last summer days, where people like Pat Buchanan moan about how we're becoming a not-white nation, thereby destroying their own visions of America, and where Lou Dobbs pivots seemingly effortlessly from virulent anti-immigration rhetoric to being one of the few talking heads to give televised credence to allegations of suspicious foreign-ness against a mixed-race President.


That may be the difference; this time we've got a black president, the first one ever, and one that received not a bare minimum of votes but delivered a true political spanking to the conservatives that rallied against him, and maybe that one small fact turns out to be the only thing it takes to turn the usual muttering about federal meddling and states' rights and incipient brownness-slash-socialism into full-on talk of secession and eugenics and organized intimidation explicitly plotted to discredit even the concept of discussing national issues. Because it seems to be the same people -- white, ultra-conservative, mostly from the south and from rural areas -- and the same general arguments, and the same climate of aggressively irrational, proudly uninformed, thoroughly paranoid fury."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Better life than yours, living in a mental hospital, zouk. Where faking swallowing your pills is the height of rebellion.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Another weekend on the fix with the pitiful lonely chrisuxcox arguing with herself

What kind of life is that?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 9, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

And let's not forget that our own GOP troll contingent is all entirely accepting of this, and they have even insisted that the howlers who won't let anyone speak are exercising their "free speech" rights.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

A Daily Kos article is reporting on what the MSM won't touch, at least not yet.
It is asking about whether we are seeing "The Rise of A Postmodern Racist Movement."

It recognizes, as many serious commentators (e.g., Frank Rich, Rachel Maddow) have, that these proxy issues--birthers, health care thuggery, complaints about taxes [that don't affect the middle-income complainers], etc.--have nothing to do with any legitimate policy debate, but everything to do with racist hostility to BHO--and what we are seeing is a modern racist movement (though it will never be called out as such). Excerpt from the Kos article (quoting another journalist):

"Yesterday evening I was to attend to the Health Care summit with(D) Rep Betty Reed and(D) Rep Kathy Castor, I'm a Precinct Captain (203) in Tampa and we received our talking points to rebut any NEGATIVE GOP talking points on healthcare. I never made it in the building. I've never in my life really experience outright racism in a public place. Signs of Obama hung in effigy, racial slurs on signs, people chanting negative words ( too many to list) and outright screaming at Obama supporters. The hatred was in their eyes and they actually scared me for a moment. At first I was shocked, then a little scared and then I got outright mad in the span of 1 minute.............. I actually left (the "hood" would have come out). I was totally blown away it was a mad house. I'm kinda mad at my self now, because I left. I'm still shaking my head in awe....................I'm still cold inside."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/9/763919/-Race,-Taxes,-Birth-Certificates,-and-Eugenics

Disturbing, scary stuff...A little more important than a 51st "Palin in 2012" post...IMO.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 9, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Maureen Down reading Dan Balz' book:

It’s also interesting to read the chapter on “Palinmania” and remember how serene Sarah Palin was before she became unhinged by fame and her fixation with her reviews, especially from conspiratorial and gossipy bloggers.

The same McCain advisers who later turned against Palin were impressed with her at first, when she earned adjectives like unruffled, self-confident, tough-minded and self-assured.

From Bill Ayers to Reverend Wright, “Sarahcuda” was ready to bite, telling rallies, “The heels are on, the gloves are off.”

But by the end, after Tina Fey, Katie Couric and the shopping spree, Palin had lost confidence. She became erratic.

“During a campaign trip in October to New Hampshire, she balked at sharing the stage with former congressman Jeb Bradley because they differed on abortion and drilling in the Arctic wilderness,” the authors wrote. “That same day, she was reluctant to join Bradley and Senator John Sununu for conversation aboard her campaign bus and had to be coaxed out of the back of the bus to talk to them, according to a McCain adviser.”

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

It's not at all surprising that Latinos would have less support for the GOP than blacks. After all, Clarence Thomas can't be the only black man who regards himself as a conservative and is consumed with self-hatred over affirmative action; blacks determined to believe can always point to Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell as examples of GOP "acceptance." Hope springs eternal.

But there isn't any great movement in the GOP to regard blacks as intruders overdue for expulsion, and the racism directed at them, pervasive though it is, is mostly dog-whistle between-the-lines stuff coming from Palin and McCain during the campaign. The racism toward Latinos has been explicit, and it has been vicious.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

With the escalating standard of Republican craziness and thuggery over recent days, I'd been wondering if Palin would feel pressed to get back into the game, if for no other reason than to defend her title as chief Republican whackjob.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 9, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Two truths:

The name is Dalton. "Roadhouse."

The GOP approval among Hispanics is 3 (percent). Daily Kos.

The Anglo polls aren't picking up the Latino demographic, and the MSM only talks to themselves so they don't know. Kos, who is Salvadoran, IS plugged into this.

Let's see whether the MSM starts talking about this "three" number as much as they've bleated endlessly about those bogus outlier Fox News/Rasmussen numbers on BHO. I believe that is lower than GOP support among blacks.

Can't wait for some fresh progressive ads showing Rush and crew spewing their xenophobic venom.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 9, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Do you have many Latino friends, BB?

Judging from the vehemence I see in my own, I don't have a lot of trouble accepting the 3% figure. It does seem pretty extreme, but then so does the anger. We don't watch Spanish language news. It's not our culture. But with the GOP pulling all the stops in its racist appeals to the base, I really don't see how too many Latinos could still be on board with the GOP. Three percent is probably their Kook Vote.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm more willing to buy the MSNBC numbers. Obama holding steady around 66% with Latinos; the Republican party at +20% -41%.

A 3% number is simply unbelievable. Bush probably did better with African Americans than that!

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 9, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else want ro discuss the topic?

==

Do you *really* think that anyone is waiting for your invitation to do so?

Where the hell did you get that idea?!?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Some of the town howlers are screaming that "corporate taxes are too high"

Do they really expect people to believe that this is a serious issue for working people?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else want ro discuss the topic?

Posted by: JakeD | August 9, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The Code Pink protests were idiotic and counter-productive to the anti Iraq war cause. If the right-wing lunatic fringe Screamers/Teabagger thugs want to use to use the Code Pinkers as their excuse for being mouthbreathing goons, then by all means, have at it. The Big Healthcare Lobby sponsored Teabagger thugs are equally obnoxious and they're doing nothing but hurting their own cause....whatever the hell that is.


Posted by: DrainYou | August 9, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Actually Jake your belief in the Resurrection is not qualifying. It is all but certain that the Resurrection was a forgery added a few centuries after Christ's death. The oldest texts we have do not include it, and there is no missing page.

And you dodged the point. The essence of Christianity has nothing whatever to do with accepting its mythology. That became "essential" only with the Council of Nicea (aka the First Ecumenical) at which time much of Jesus' most essential teachings were discarded in favor of consolidating power in a worldly church, where the priesthood had earthly authority.

This could not POSSIBLY be more at odds with Christ. The Niceans betrayed Christ, and the fundamentalism of people like Sarah Palin continues to betray Christ. Authentic Christianity is a personal journey of discovery and commitment that each believer must undertake on his or her own.

If you are sincerely interested in learning more about what you claim as your faith you could do a lot worse than this:

http://www.amazon.com/Doctrine-Practice-Early-Church-Stuart/dp/0281055092/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249851616&sr=1-1

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I am a Christian by admitting that I am a sinner, believing that Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to pay for my sin, and commit my life to Jesus as my Lord and Savior -- we also went to church last night -- back on topic, the PA primary will be the most exciting to watch (I just hope that Specter can last with his cancer in remission ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 9, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

@broadwayjoe:

2004 election: 40-44% Latino support

2008 election: 31%

April 2009: 14% favorable (not the same as the vote but comparable)

August 2009: 3% (essentially zero)

Yeah that "real Americans" stuff is really bringing home the bacon for Republicans.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

In the grocery store last night stocking up on fresh fruit .. noticed that the checkout counter press has picked up on the birther thing.

Nice to see such coherence in my world .. the birther kook conspiracy where it belongs, right along side exposes about Regis Philbin and reports on how fat Kirstie Allie has gotten.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

And victims report that silent, high-tech microwave/laser "directed energy weapons" are being used to degrade the very lives of the unjustly targeted.

==

Wow you almost made it to the end without bringing up this nonsense. Try harder.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

That's not just in the deep South -- we Christians are all over -- if you were in San Diego, I would have gladly taken you into my house, sprung for lunch, or called AAA. Just because we disagree politically,

==

And how exactly are you a "Christian," Jake? I mean, really? Christ taught compassion, forgiveness, and required a deep intellectual involvement among his followers.

Here you are on a Sunday mornng, trolling about Code Pink, evidently not in church. And aside from intelligence and orginal thought, there is nothing more conspicuously absent from your posts than compassion and forgiveness.

Quite the opposite, you're a hateful little bigot and hate is your "life."

As for sitting down at a table with you, I seriously doubt anyone here would want to, BB aside. Spending an hour with a birther and a bigot would be for most decent human beings somewhere on the other side of getting abdominal surgery.

No, for you "Christianity" is just a club to beat people you don't like. To a racist swine such as yourself the essence of Christianity is the intolerance of the Old Testament, all about GOP issues like abortion and gay marriage.

You're not a "Christian," you're a Republican troll and the only person who will attend your funeral will be the priest.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

scrivener50:

Did you also think that Code Pink were "federally funded"? Just because they are protesting something you want does not make them un-American. If these rabble-rousers were yelling about "directed-energy weapons" why I do think your reaction would be different.

Posted by: JakeD | August 9, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

HEALTH CARE RABBLE-ROUSERS: THE SPAWN OF AN AMERICAN GESTAPO

MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow got to the nub of these phony protests last week when they correctly connected the dots between the anti- health care zealots and the teabaggers, the 2000 election recount "Brooks Brothers" demonstrators, and other hard-right rabble-rousing.

Fact is, the foot soldiers in this phony, ginned-up street theater don't have to be paid by the health care lobbyists who are providing logistical support and public relations muscle to their supposedly spontaneous grassroots uprising. Fact is, many, if not most, of them appear to be affiliated with, and thus subsidized by, FEDERALLY-FUNDED community volunteer organizations...

...the same stormtrooper vigilantes that comprise a highly organized American Gestapo that works covertly with a secretive executive branch "multi-agency coordinated action program" to violate the civil and human rights of unjustly "targeted" neighbors -- making a mockery of the rule of law.

And victims report that silent, high-tech microwave/laser "directed energy weapons" are being used to degrade the very lives of the unjustly targeted.

Read the story that the mainstream media cannot or will not tell:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

See "GESTAPO USA" at http://NowPublic.com/scrivener ("stream" or "stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 9, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD (I know that you won't respond, but FairlingtonBlade can confirm the following):

That's not just in the deep South -- we Christians are all over -- if you were in San Diego, I would have gladly taken you into my house, sprung for lunch, or called AAA. Just because we disagree politically, doesn't mean we have to disagree personally. God loves you just as much as He loves me. Now you can go back to ignoring me.

Posted by: JakeD | August 9, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The most important number in politics by far (with all due respect to Fix): THREE!

The percentage of Hispanics who approve of the GOP.

From Markos "Kos" Moulitsas himself:
______

"The cost of Sotomayor opposition"

by kos

Republican Party approval rating among Latinos

April 27-30 August 3-6

Favorable 14 3
Unfavorable 73 86
No Opinion 13 11

The first column is the week that Justice Souter retired, which was soon followed by speculation of Sotomayor's nomination (she was the frontrunner). That is the reference week. The second is this week.

Republicans were already lagging badly with Latinos, yet somehow, they managed to lose a net 24 favorability points over the course of three months. And for what? To keep the dying 1950s Pat Buchanan-wing of the party happy? Great call, there.""

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/7/21451/44856

In the years to come, this "three" number will haunt the GOP more and more.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 9, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

They are they truly evil persons. Just being a Republican or liking Bush doesn't put them in that category.

==

This becomes less true over time.

There is a solid milestone in the 2004 election, where people who pulled the lever for Bush/Cheney were giving their explicit approval for torture. And that was 2004. They've gotten a whole lot sicker since, so the 21-percent or whatever it's down to now are the really hard core. And while they're not town howlers to a man, to presuppose and yes prejudge a Republican as one of that sort is a defensible first approximation.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 3:04 AM | Report abuse

"But there are bad people. You have to allow yourself to accept that. "

Yeah, I knew that. But when I was younger, you didn't have much trouble convincing me of this. You would have difficulty convincing me of the good people. But the bad people are the ones who go and disrupt these town halls. They are they truly evil persons. Just being a Republican or liking Bush doesn't put them in that category.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 9, 2009 2:58 AM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: I grew up in the south, Virginia mostly but also SC and sojourns in MS and AL. I saw the warnings posted outside housing developments, the bathrooms. I also saw the warmth and the goodness. There is authenticity there.

But there are bad people. You have to allow yourself to accept that. There are people who are not simply different-opinioned and who cannot be explained away as poorly raised or suffering from trauma. Some people are bad.

And in these times the really bad people have an ideology and a party where they feel at home.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 9, 2009 2:45 AM | Report abuse

"One terrible word: compartmentalization.

Partitioning positions one wants to believe away from reasoning abilities that would destroy those beliefs."

One of the reason I'm happiest that I live in Republican country is that I have learned that these guys are real people. When you live in blue areas, it's real easy to think of these guys as a bunch of racist rednecks who have no education whatsoever. I live in the deep south and you know what? These guys are screwed up politically, but are great human beings in all other ways. You won't find a bunch of JakeDs here. You'll find people who have treated me with the utmost respect. You'll find people who have taken me into their home. You'll find people who have done everything from helping me change my tire to giving me a meal when I had no money at their restaurant. My family lives in liberal DC and they have terrible opinions of Southerners. I'm happy to let them know that these are real human beings who have just as much compassion towards this non-white as anyone else.

People are complex. I like it like that.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 9, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

They are very smart students as well. I'm not quite sure how they fell on this side of the Bush divide, especially how Bush has treated their chosen profession.

==

One terrible word: compartmentalization.

Partitioning positions one wants to believe away from reasoning abilities that would destroy those beliefs.

Pure Orwell, called "crimestop" in "1984." All the goopers do it. So do we, but we're not proud of it like they are.

None of the scientific contradictions though hold a candle to the dilemma of gay Republicans .. one of my Latino friends has a white roommate with pix of Palin and McCain plastered all over the fridge I kid you not. If he's anything like other gay goops I've met, his life is one ongoing defense, probably puts six hours a day into justifying himself to himself.

Allegiance to a party that would have him hung from a tree by torchlight if they could.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 8, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I figure nobody here but me is the right demographic for jezebel.com, but they have a blogger who makes very funny Judge Judy comics. Here she is with Glenn Beck in her courtroom:

http://jezebel.com/5332736/comic-confrontations-judge-judy-vs-glenn-beck

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 8, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

BB, if you went to an elite country club and described Glenn Beck (drug and alcohol trouble, HS graduate, come-to-Jesus), Rush Limbaugh (drug trouble, HS graduate, sex vacations, multiple marriages) and Barak Obama (Harvard, professor at U of C, married to a lawyer)to them and then asked them to guess who was a minority and who was white, who do you think they would pick?

When I watched Obama on TV this morning all I could hear was his Kansas Grand Dad. Yep, he really hates that white culture, whatever it is.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 8, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD - How about Arthur Treacher's?

Even if it was true that the advertisers have shifted (I'm suspicious of unvetted claims from anonymous posters), I rather doubt that the Wall Street Journal or Conservatives for Patients Rights have stopped advertising because of some petition.

I was recently staying in a hotel room (we don't have cable at home) and ran across Glen Beck. The whole thing seemed amateurish to me.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 8, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"Super8 motels (super8.com)
Red Lobster
Ditech (ditech.com)
Sargento Cheese
United States Postal Service!!
AARP Insurance
United Healthcare Insurance Company
Ally Bank (allybank.com)
Conservatives for Patients Rights (cprrights.org)
Mens Warehouse
Wallstreet Journal
Accu Chek Aviva
Avodart
Brita Filter
Radio Shack
Mercedes-Benz
Pepboys
Nexium
Healthy Choice
Golden Corral
ADT Security
HSBC Life Insurance
Weitz&Luxemburg
Metastock
Superior Gold Group
60Plus.org
Apple
Forex.com
Rapid Wash
Broadbive Security

The Postal Service???????"

I guess I can switch out autozone for pepboys, but any substitute for Brita?

And where the hell do I go for overly fried seafood now???

Posted by: DDAWD | August 8, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"Daily Kos reports:

Latino support for GOP pre-Sonia: 14%
Latino support for GOP now: 3%

3%!

==

Uh, McCain got 31% of the Latino vote, so really it's down to a tenth.

Fastest growing minority in America, too.

All three of my close Latino friends were Republicans, all three are now Democrats. Sonia's confirmation, and the 31 no votes from the GOP, were his last straw."

McCain himself probably was the best candidate for getting Latino votes since he is one of the most immigrant friendly Republicans. Just by virtue of not being McCain, you would expect Latino support to drop.

But still, going from 14 to 3 is like an 80% reduction. I'm not sure if I believe that they lost 80% of a bloc just from this one thing.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 8, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"And it shows: only 6% (!) of scientists are Republicans."

It's funny, actually. Most scientists assume it's 100%, so they really feel no compunction about Bush bashing in front of their peers. We had one professor going on about how stupid Bush voters are. In defense of my classmates, I just raised my hand and said something on the line of "that might be insulting if there are any Bush supporters in the room" Prof took the hint and moved to a different topic.

They are very smart students as well. I'm not quite sure how they fell on this side of the Bush divide, especially how Bush has treated their chosen profession.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 8, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

@cf8, at this point the GOP's Latino support is about zero. The Post, BroderWorld, and the MSM miss all this because they only talk to each other, and they don't speak Spanish. Telemundo and Univision clobbered the GOP in news snippets about Justice Sonia. Can't wait till Sonia meets Alito, who was a former member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton, whose mission (allegedly) was to keep the school male and pale.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The anti-BHO crowd has been pushing the false narrative that BHO's approval numbers are tanking, usually on the basis of "polling" from that Fox News favorite, Rasmussen. (In actuality, of course, they are not (Daily Kos, BHO @ 60 percent).

At any rate, DailyKos went underneath the numbers and found that any observable slippage is almost entirely due to loss of...GOP support. GOP support. In other words, the loss of support from folks who never supported him in the first place. :)

The best news is that, according to Kos, GOP approval ratings among Latinos, thanks to non-stop Sonia bashing, has dropped from 13 percent pre-Sonia to 3 percent. Yes, three percent. Discard Miguel Estrada, Alberto Gonzales, and maybe Leo Carillo, and it drops to .7 percent probably. All good for 44. And Pat Buchanan is probably pretty happy, too.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Chris C

I don't want to see any more of those civility scolds as long as JakeD and king_of_zouk are still posting here. You have two guys who troll these blogs mercilessly. They both lie their heads off in every post, they both engage in relentless nastiness and hostility, zouk does the most infantile name-calling to be found anywhere in every single solitary post.

Nobody else on here, nobody at all, even comes close to these two. Get rid of them, or take away that little blurb about what the rules are around here because it's impotent noise.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 8, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

28% of the Republican Party believes Obama is not a citizen. Another 30% are "not sure." That's nearly six in ten Republicans entertaining a lunatic conspiracy theory.

Not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer.

And it shows: only 6% (!) of scientists are Republicans.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 8, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and to dbw and the rest of the GOP trolls .. for referring to the town howl people as "exercising free speech," you guys deserve to spend a few months in jail cells with multiple sex offenders. The howlers are denying free speech, suppressing free speech, not exercising it. Not allowing others to be heard is as much free speech as the Oklahoma City bombing was civil disobedience.

Is this what's left of the Republican Party? I guess so. A bunch of half-wit un-American cretins who should be rendered into glue and fertilizer.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 8, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Daily Kos reports:

Latino support for GOP pre-Sonia: 14%
Latino support for GOP now: 3%

3%!

==

Uh, McCain got 31% of the Latino vote, so really it's down to a tenth.

Fastest growing minority in America, too.

All three of my close Latino friends were Republicans, all three are now Democrats. Sonia's confirmation, and the 31 no votes from the GOP, were his last straw.

I doubt the town hall shouting is helping with any demographic .. funny as hell for Palin to wave around her Down baby for sympathy, when nine out of ten women in her situation would have aborted it. Bright move, Barracuda B|tch.

With every crazy in America finding something appealing in the GOP you really have to wonder how they could ever come back. Not three election cycles from now, not two generations from now, I mean ever.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 8, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The reality is only the "unions" and their, uh, "affiliates" have the muscle to give these morons "what's 'fer." Jersey style.

==

I hope we're talking traction and wired jawbones here

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 8, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Daily Kos reports:

Latino support for GOP pre-Sonia: 14%
Latino support for GOP now: 3%

3%!

Where to start?

Thanks, Rush, Beck, Ingraham, Dobbs, Hannity, Tancredo, and, well, there are too many to name...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

DailyKos reports the Glenn Beck advertiser write-in campaign worked: acc. to Kos poster, not a single advertiser who sponsored the show when the campaign started is currently airing ads on Beck! Unfortunately, other sponsors have been rotated in. They are (acc. to the poster):

Super8 motels (super8.com)
Red Lobster
Ditech (ditech.com)
Sargento Cheese
United States Postal Service!!
AARP Insurance
United Healthcare Insurance Company
Ally Bank (allybank.com)
Conservatives for Patients Rights (cprrights.org)
Mens Warehouse
Wallstreet Journal
Accu Chek Aviva
Avodart
Brita Filter
Radio Shack
Mercedes-Benz
Pepboys
Nexium
Healthy Choice
Golden Corral
ADT Security
HSBC Life Insurance
Weitz&Luxemburg
Metastock
Superior Gold Group
60Plus.org
Apple
Forex.com
Rapid Wash
Broadbive Security

The Postal Service???????

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/8/763611/-UPDATED-X8:-The-Glenn-Beck-Fox-Boycott-is-Working!!-Here-is-PROOF.-Now-with-updated-contact-info..

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party is not only shrinking, it's having a very public mental meltdown.


(R)-John Cornyn thinks fact checking is pretext for domestic espionage. Which he's suddenly against. (R)-Chuck Grassley uses Ted Kennedy's medical condition as propaganda for his own false and nonsensical claims about "socialized medicine" killing old people -- and this is who Max Baucus is "negotiating" with to bring us his version of health care?!?!.


Rush Limbaugh pretends, out loud, to think Obama is like Hitler. Glenn Beck muses about poisoning Nancy Pelosi.


The Wingnut birthers are going strong, and the Wingnut teabaggers are trying to shut down healthcare reform by making town halls on the subject impossible.


Dick Morris and John Bolton agree: we should have left those two journalists to rot in North Korea, because Clinton going there to secure their release made the U.S. look weak, and now other countries will steal our lunch money at recess. And Lou Dobbs never met a conspiracy theory he didn't like, as long as it was about brown or black people, but after people got angry that he peddled false nonsense he says he's now reflexively going to oppose Obama on everything.


It's all so disgusting and pathetic that you just have to laugh at it. Between Cornyn, Grassley, Limbaugh and Beck, between Dobbs and Morris and Bolton, between birthers and "socialized" medicine but keep-your-hands-off-my-Medicare, the Wingnut stupid is overwhelming. It's become a tidal wave of Wingnut stupid. It's a giant Noah's Ark of Wingnut stupid, in which two examples of every kind of dumbarsery known to man have been loaded up to be set adrift on a sea of their own drool. It's the "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" gameshow of stupid -- loud, with big flashing lights, and on every damn day of the week.


It's the result of Wingnuts drinking conservative bong water and eating the paint chips flaking off Bill Buckley's lead-encrusted casket.


I'd be afraid for the future of our country, but I know that if these goon Teabagging Wingnuts ever actually armed themselves and tried to take over they'd all have accidentally shot themselves in the groin within the first ten minutes. Then they'd all limp to D.C. to hold a Big Healthcare Industry Sponsored Astroturf rally demanding free government healthcare for crotch-related injuries.


Idiots, all of them...


Posted by: DrainYou | August 8, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

From her latest insane hate blast about Obama-care being "evil," it's clear journalist Charley James pegged Mrs. Todd Palin just about right. From James's well-regarded profile of the former governor:

____

“Palin is a conniving, manipulative, a**hole,” someone who thinks these are positive traits in a governor told me, summing up Palin’s tenure in Alaska state and local politics.

“She’s a bigot, a racist, and a liar,” is the more blunt assessment of Arnold Gerstheimer who lived in Alaska until two years ago and is now a businessman in Idaho.

“Juneau is a small town; everybody knows everyone else,” he adds. “These stories about what she calls blacks and Eskimos, well, anyone not white and good looking actually, were around long before she became a glint in John McCain’s rheumy eyes. Why do I know they’re true? Because everyone who isn’t aboriginal or Indian in Alaska talks that way.”

“S@mbo beat the b_tch” may be everyday language up in the bush. Whether it – and the outlook, politics and worldview Palin reflects when she says such things in public – should be part of a presidential campaign is another thing altogether. The comment says as much about McCain as it does about Palin, and it says a lot of things about Americans who overlook such statements (as well as her record) and vote anyway for McCain.""

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/

As far we know, Palin never denied any of Charley James's on-site shoe-leather reporting.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Drivl and other moonbats. It is pretty clear you loons have already lost the government takeover of health care debate, much like you lost the cap and tax power grab. Of course the unions are more than willing to accept the government bailout and sunsequent hand out to the failed policies of the past. but the rest of us don't trust your lying ways.

Maybe you should stick to the flowery speeches and leave the actual work of governing to the adults.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 8, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

birther beserkers hypocrites:

ast week, Politico asked the 11 House Republicans co-sponsoring the so-called “birther bill” — legislation requiring presidential candidates to prove they were born in the United States — to provide their own birth certificates. While a number of them complied, Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX) explicitly refused to show his proof of birth. His staff instead sent a one-line e-mail response: “Congressman Neugebauer will not be submitting a copy of his birth certificate.” Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) did not respond to the request at all.

Posted by: drindl | August 8, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

And so the lying scum of the Republican party is now circulating outrageous lies about healthcare reform, and sadly, republican voters are so incredibily stupid they beleive it. What a pathetic bunch of losers.


"ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called President Barack Obama's health plan "downright evil" Friday in her first online comments since leaving office, saying in a Facebook posting that he would create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans.

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," the former Republican vice presidential candidate wrote.

"Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote on her page, which has nearly 700,000 supporters. She encouraged her supporters to be engaged in the debate.

The claim that the Democratic health care bills would encourage euthanasia has been circulating on the Internet for weeks and has been echoed by some Republican leaders."

Posted by: drindl | August 8, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh goody CC

another entire thread with the losers Jaked and chrissuxcox trading insults, vacuous dogma and demands to ban the other.

how enthralling.

If either ever had a single intelligent thought, it would be a miracle. they are like two sides of the same worthless ruble.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 8, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

ANSWER, ACORN, CODE PINK and all the other leftists are now in a fury that the non lunatics are protesting government abuse. what changed?

Now its even OK for the WH to gather an enemies list. when pies were thrown at ann coulter, when Tancredo was shouted down etc. no loony libs to be found decrying the protesters. What changed?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 8, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Kay Bailey voted for the bailout. Listen to me pinning her down regarding her bailout vote here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uGx44PeQBg

I'm voting for Debra Medina for Texas governor (www.medinafortexas.com). Perry's a RINO, too. He just now this year discovered the 10th amendment. Whatever.

Posted by: clint_stutts | August 8, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

So these are the main accomplishments of the Obama honeymoon: a widely criticized stimulus package, a health debate poorly begun, and a growing, potentially consuming deficit problem. The initial period of Obama's presidency has revealed an odd mixture of boldness and timidity. A bold, even fiscally reckless, embrace of the priorities of the Democratic left. A timid, and politically unwise, deference to the views and approaches of the Democratic congressional leadership.

Leadership from the guy who listens to Rev. Wright, who takes months to choose a dog, who apologizes for America. Just what did you expect?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 8, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

President Obama took full political advantage of the upswing in jobs Saturday, telling Americans in his weekly address that the economy can now handle one of the keystone plans of his administration - improved and expanded access to health care. "We've begun to put the brakes on this recession and ... the worst may be behind us," Obama proclaimed in his weekly radio and Internet address. "But we must do more than rescue our economy


so to review: when the economy is bad, it's time for health care takeover. When the economy is good, it's time for health care takeover. sounds like global warming.

How feeble minded are Lib voters?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 8, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

CC - its good to see you and the other Lib weaklings are all on the same page:

Rep. David Scott (D-Ga.) launched a tirade at a town hall meeting about a highway project in his district on Friday, accusing audience members who asked about healthcare reform of being outsiders who "hijacked" his meeting. "Those of you here who have taken, who have came, who hijacked this event that we're dealing with here," Scott said. "I'm listening to my constituents. These are people who live in the 13th congressional district,

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 8, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Great article, d: It ties these lunatics to the Fox News-sponsored (allegedly) teabaggers. Also, I have never been more proud of the unions. A LOUD shout out to "Service Employees International Union"
It's Hoffa time.

"A volatile mix has resulted. In Mehlville, Mo., St. Louis County police officers arrested six people on Thursday evening, some on assault charges, outside a health care and aging forum organized by Representative Russ Carnahan, a Democrat. Opponents of the proposed changes, organized by the St. Louis Tea Party, apparently clashed with supporters organized by the Service Employees International Union outside a school gym."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Great catch, d: Yikes, "Randy Arthur" got his @ss kicked. That's not right. Sorta reminds me of the black stage hand who would get the snot beaten out of him at the end of Phalin hate rallies, allegedly, possibly, probably, almost certainly...Medic.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

The reality is only the "unions" and their, uh, "affiliates" have the muscle to give these morons "what's 'fer." Jersey style.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

More on the townhall lynch mobs...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/us/politics/08townhall.html?_r=1&hp

“Become a part of the mob!” said a banner posted Friday on the Web site of the talk show host Sean Hannity. “Attend an Obama Care Townhall near you!”

Posted by: drindl | August 8, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

A great remix video of the complete meltdown of Orly Taitz, Queen of the Birthers, the new face of BHO's opposition. From HuffPo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/orly-taitzs-msnbc-meltdow_n_253832.html

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

No prob.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

BWJ, thanx for the tip the other night on the movie. I recorded it and later watched it. Had not seen it in years.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 8, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

IMO. this is the final chapter of the "Southern Strategy." It is in its last throes.

But it will eventually end desperately and BADLY as the hidden corporate interests that manipulate these idiots and bigoted Yahoos lose control of them, see Tiller, the Pgh. cops, that idiot rampaging through the PA health club (who had a major problem with BHO which was edited out of the AP news accounts), and of course, Von Brunn.

As they said in Roadhouse, this will get worse before it gets better. The footage we are seeing is frightening so you can imagine what it's like if you are physically there. BHO's election is something they cannot accept--their goal is to thwart the will of the majority of people. The world is changing and they can't, won't, deal with it...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Rachel Maddow and others are starting to call out these hooligans as domestic terrorists. Those faces are the same ones we saw at the Phalin hate rallies, the tea bagger parties, the birther meetings, Hannity "freedom concerts," and meetings of the K-. These clowns could care less about tax policy, legitimacy of birth certificates, right to life, or government options in universal health care. Let's face it: They just went nuts when BHO got elected--THAT is their problem.

I just hope--no, pray--law enforcement is all over this.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 8, 2009 6:44 AM | Report abuse

"http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002029/

Re-posting this. It's really a must-see. It's jaw-dropping amazing how rude and childish the remaining Republicans are, shouting and chanting and not allowing the woman to talk. It kind of illuminates the behavior of the GOP trolls here in this forum, disrupting discussion, not allowing others to talk. "

I really wanted to go to David Vitter's town hall on Monday. I just wanted to sit back and listen. But these displays have really been freaking me out. I know I'll be the only non-white there. But man, this is just scary. It sucks. I have my views, but I want to listen to the opposition. Oh well.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 8, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

"DDAWD:

When will they every learn, when will they ever learn?

Posted by: JakeD"

I'll take a recess from ignoring you to say that as much as I complain about them talking to you, recently they have been pounding you hard in the non-peak hours. And I'm gald they're doing this. Why? Because I use this message board as practice for these debates in real life. I work in a relatively academic environment, but its in the deep south. So when these debates come up, it's usually 20% left, 20% right, and 60% undecided who listen on. From listening to the years and years of wisdom on this board, I can improve on my own debate game. And guess what? When someone who is a natural at debate like myself gets combined with the wisdom of CF8 or Mark In Autin or Bsimon1 or MikeinMidland or Gatoron or anyone else who has provided invaluable information to me (even drindl on occasion) well... those fence sitting 60% pretty much have no option.

The unfortunate part of this, jakeD, is that most people I interact with aren't as overtly racist as you are. The arguments and statements you come up with are of nothing close to the level of intellect that I see in real life. But that's ok. It's already an unfair contest even without great opposition preparation. So keep doing what you do, jakeD, and I hope that everyone else puts out honest, thoughtful opposition. That makes a bigger difference in the country I love more than you could imagine.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 8, 2009 1:59 AM | Report abuse

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002029/

Re-posting this. It's really a must-see. It's jaw-dropping amazing how rude and childish the remaining Republicans are, shouting and chanting and not allowing the woman to talk. It kind of illuminates the behavior of the GOP trolls here in this forum, disrupting discussion, not allowing others to talk.

I hope the shouting rudeness is getting a lot of airplay, another nail in the coffin of the GOP.

People should know .. if you pull the lever for a Republican, you're endorsing behavior like this.

I wonder where the cops are?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 8, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

I can think of a dozen medical procedures I would like to see performed on Jake.

==

Google up a short story by Irwin Shaw called "Sailor Off the Bremen," and put JakeD in Lueger's role. That's what I want for Jake.

";)"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 8, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

To call it "rationing" because it's not unlimited is just another form of lying. The GOP and its has-beens like Palin and its shills like JakeD are all reciting a series of canned talking points in hopes of derailing debate and frightening the elderly.

If you put a pair of quarters into a newspaper dispenser, you're supposed to take out one paper. The fact that you aren't supposed to empty the machine and take every newspaper isn't "rationing."

The fact that a 90 year old man won't get a million dollars of medical care to extend his life another week isn't "rationing" either. "Rationing" doesn't refer to any distribution of resources.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 8, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I do not grasp the discussion of rationing in this context.

Rationing implies an external controller of the allocation of scarce resources. Under our current mixed method of delivery of health care services how much care or how much insurance has been purchased on one's behalf determines the allocation of one's health care, not an external controller. The purchaser may be oneself, one's employer, taxpayers, hospital district property taxes, or one's family or friends. There is no external controller, independent of the purchaser.

So it would be under any of the plans proposed.
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This is utterly different from the rationing of gasoline to our farm in WW2. We could not under any theoretical or real scenario [save the black market] purchase, alone or with help, more than 80 gallons of gasoline in a month. There was an external controller.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 8, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

@ChrisFox - Consider it the web's equivalent of a petri dish.

Cheers and, of course,

Buh-Bye

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 7, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Good Lord. The "I'm forwarding this thread" bit has grown old quickly. I didn't realize that the blogosphere had a mommy.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 7, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

A more interesting take on the health insurance industry:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/06/AR2009080602934.html

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 7, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I can think of a dozen medical procedures I would like to see performed on Jake.

I don't even care if it raises my taxes!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 7, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"I'm simply proving "chrisfox8" wrong about Gov. Palin noting that Obamacare will include "rationing" on healthcare. That's all."

Which is like noting that the sky is blue. There is no such a thing as unlimited health care, unless you have unlimited funds. So her comment would be merely moronic, were it not for her sick rhetoric.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 7, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8,
I've gotta go but I agree with you on JakeD. Everytime I come on here he's on here constantly, round the clock, shilling for the GOP and shouting down people who disagree with him. It's a joke and I'm serious when I say he needs to get a life.


I have a friend in my office who has worked on and off with Chris C in the past and I'm going to talk to him and have him pass on my thoughts about JakeD in person.
He's out of the office on business right now but he should be back by the end of the month and I'll have him get right on it.


Have a great weekend.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

When will they every learn, when will they ever learn?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I see that not only is JakeD a "Birther", he's also a "Deather". Ha Ha ha!
.
http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/07/30/gop-deathers-use-scare-tactics-to-deceive-on-health-care-reform/


What a freaking whackjob, no wonder he doesn't have any friends.


Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Videos of these town halls have probably cost the GOP another few dozen electoral votes.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

Not "all" day long (I took a lunch break ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

That's right, I am supporting public disruptions -- just like you did when Code Pink did it -- as I said, however, I'm not the one threatening to go to a townhall and bring a nice iron bar.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Note that every thread started today is loaded with JakeD trolls. Anyone believe this guy has a life outside this blog?

Disrupting conversation here is his whole life.

Three dozen posts in this thread along, all day long, trolling away.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

Don't forget to write flag@whitehouse.gov too. I just forwarded this entire thread, including your "iron bar" threat.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

You're supporting them and cheering them on, loser.

-----------------------------------------
BREAKING:

A day after a Russ Carnahan event led to the arrests of five participants and a reporter, University City High School — where U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill was set to hold a similar event on Tuesday– announced that the forum has been canceled.

The school district sent a news release this afternoon stating that the “reasons for the cancellation by the school district are due to concerns for the safety and security of its staff, community members attending the event, and for the students who would be on campus during that time.”

There is no word on whether McCaskill will find a new venue or keep a second town hall forum scheduled for later the same day in Jefferson County.

LOL!!!
Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:12 PM
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Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

koolkat_1960:

I'm simply proving "chrisfox8" wrong about Gov. Palin noting that Obamacare will include "rationing" on healthcare. That's all.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

'If there's no "rationing" in the public option, then I could sign up and not be denied ANY medical procedure I want, right?"

And you can do that now, numbnutz? Unless you have unlimited funds and you pay for all of your medical procedures yourself, you can't. So what is your point, old man?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 7, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The only way to get Jake to quit lying here is to get him banned. Write Chris C, write the ombudsman.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

I'm not the one threatening to go to a townhall and bring a nice iron bar.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8,
Yeah, the Wingnut thuggery is backfiring on them big-time. "Shocking", isn't it?

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Please do, chrisfox8.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

There is no final healthcare bill to be voted on in congress yet, quit lying you snivling piece of authoritarian sh*it.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Drain, I don't watch TV .. are those townhalls getting coverage?

How could the GOP *possibly* think that stuff is going to help?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

GOP/Fascism defined:


A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definitions


That is exactly what is happening with the Repug party in 2009.


Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

Think I'll go to a townhall and bring a nice iron bar.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh, there's no "FINAL" healthcare bill, you mean like the one that Obama promised during the campaign to wait for five (5) days before signing? Then, why didn't you say so. As for that definition of "ignore" again ...

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

There is not a FINAL healthcare bill, otherwise there would be an upcoming for on it and then the ReThug Party of NO would be holding the bill in the air and shaking it, in one of their usual fake outrage fits.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Here's some must-see video from Democratic Rep. Kathy Castor's speech yesterday at the Tampa, Florida town hall co-hosted by the SEIU and State Rep. Betty Reed:


If you know anybody who's got doubts about the true nature of the anti-health care wingnut goons (that JakeD supports) trying to disrupt health care town halls, have them watch this video. Let them see for themselves the truly infantile behavior of these angry wingnuts. They aren't interested in dialogue, debate, or discussion. All they want to do is hear their own voices scream, shouting down anybody with whom they happen to disagree.


The full speech is about fifteen minutes long. You can watch it here. The wingnut goons were trying to shout Castor down for almost the entire speech, and for at least five minutes of it, they made her nearly impossible to hear.
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http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002029/
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LOL - the Teabagger goons are to stupid to know that they're hurting their own cause.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I realize that you are operating under a mental handicap

==

Pot, let me introduce you to Kettle

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

So, ChrisC, is this what you had in mind when you decided to major in journalism? Creating a home for vermin?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

I realize that you are operating under a mental handicap (you actually believe the DailyKos talking point "THERE ISN"T A HEALTHCARE BILL YET", no there are several) so I will try to provide the definitions of any really long words I use too.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

IGNORE –verb

1. to refrain from noticing or recognizing

2. to not continually post in response thereto

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

So this is what the modern conservative movement (JakeD) has been reduced to: encouraging infantile behavior from teabaggers, practically begging them to drown out open discussion about health care reform.

What a bunch of pathetic cry-baby losers.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Palin Tweet:
"I'm Sarah Palin and there ya go with yer gotcha 140 characters also and such as. I'm mavricky and yer librul twitter can't constrain this point guard as I swim against the 140 character dead fish up stream. Also."


JakeD probably jerks on his chain everytime he hears Palin's name.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING:

A day after a Russ Carnahan event led to the arrests of five participants and a reporter, University City High School — where U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill was set to hold a similar event on Tuesday– announced that the forum has been canceled.

The school district sent a news release this afternoon stating that the “reasons for the cancellation by the school district are due to concerns for the safety and security of its staff, community members attending the event, and for the students who would be on campus during that time.”

There is no word on whether McCaskill will find a new venue or keep a second town hall forum scheduled for later the same day in Jefferson County.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2009/08/citing-safety-concerns-u-city-cancels-mccaskills-event/

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin (I already posted that, now can you answer my question):

If there's no "rationing" in the public option, then I could sign up and not be denied ANY medical procedure I want, right?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

For starters, her supporters care what Gov. Palin has to say. You want a list of names?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is purported to have said the following:

"Who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course."

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

"Nationalizing our health care system is a point of no return for government interference in the lives of its citizens. If we go down this path, there will be no turning back."

This is an irresponsible false report of the various health care bills, none of which promise or provide these dire conditions.

A responsible criticism would focus on dealing with aggregate cost issues, not fear mongering about euthanasia for the non-working, which, I repeat, is not a feature of the bills.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 7, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

BTW: if there's no "rationing" in the public option, then I could sign up and not be denied ANY medical procedure I want, right?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell cares what "Gov." Palin has to say? She's an idiot, and she's a liar. Just like her supporters.

And, yes, knowingly.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

As a native of Fancy Farm, Kentucky; I recently wrote a description of the town and background for the picnic going back 129 years.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2005780/politics_and_barbeque_will_be_center.html

Posted by: jtcash2005 | August 7, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Since you guys brought it up, former Gov. Sarah Palin today called out Obama's "evil" healthcare plan.

"Who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course," last year's GOP vice presidential candidate wrote on her Facebook page.

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil," Gov. Palin wrote.

In the posting, Gov. Palin encouraged her supporters to be engaged in the debate. "Nationalizing our health care system is a point of no return for government interference in the lives of its citizens. If we go down this path, there will be no turning back," she wrote.

"Let's stop and think and make our voices heard before it's too late," the posting said.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

GO TROLL A SUICIDE SUPPORT GROUP OR SOMETHING

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

IGNORE

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

ACTUAL THREATS OF VIOLENCE

==

get a grip

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey, whiney crybaby Jake:

I wrote "I hope someone" punches your teeth, I wasn't offering to dirty my hands on your decrepit form. I certainly wouldn't make a physical threat I had no way to fulfill, and I know full well that nobody from here will ever actually meet you.

Why don't you do a couple dozen posts crying about other posters not answering your questions? In a civil manner no less?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know Sascha Baron Cohen was doing a female sequel to Borat?

Jam To The Orly Taintz Highlights!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD4X25eoFQo
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Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I know nothing about Doug Pike except that he was with the Inquirer and appears to be loaded (with money).
Gerlach has made a smart move: I think he's pretty electable (for a Republican) in Pennsylvania. As a new congressman, he was Bush's lapdog when it came to voting. He has moderated in the past few years and is positioning himself as the new Tom Ridge (stiff, conservativ-ish, agreeable).

Ridge was more accomplished than Gerlach by the time he ran for Governor -- Gerlach hasn't done much in his lifetime as a bureaucrat except rise.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 7, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's my ENTIRE post (making it clear that I'd rather discuss this topic on the appropriate thread, but won't back down here either):

"For the record, I did not bring this 'off-topic' discussion and tried to re-direct this debate to the other thread -- I will be more than happy to confront you libs wherever you want though -- bring it on!"

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:12 PM

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

also JakeD:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

For the record, "confront[ing] you libs" HERE (on whichever thread you want bring it up) is just a bit different than the following ACTUAL THREATS OF VIOLENCE:

A) mibrooks27: "I'm going to beat at least two of them senseless before the police can get to me. I am NOT one of your peaceful liberals and there will be A BUNCH of us going to these meetings from now on out. Maybe a bout a mayhem and some violence will lead to an end to this. But these people need to understand that, if they interrupt my ability to participate in my democracy, I WILL resort to violence."

B) DrainYou: "If Diaperboy Jake ever pulled his fat a*ss out from in front of his computer and entered the real world with that Repug tough guy wannabe attitude of his, I'd be first in line to break him like a pretzel."

C) chrisfox8: "I would punch your teeth down your throat."

My actions are protected via the First Amendment -- your threats are not -- consult with a local (criminal) attorney if you still can't see the difference.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8,
Lil' Jakey is a birther too?

Ha Ha Ha!!!

I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

For anyone (other than (DrainYou and mibrooks27) who want to read thousands of pages of said non-existent healthcare bills, try Google: "H.R. 3200" or the Republican alternatives: "S. 1099" and "H.R. 3218"

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Come on guys don't bother with physical bluster, GOP trolls never come out of mom's basement. Even a birther like Jake knows better than to expose himself to real people.

If anyone actually met him we would all know the shameful details of his life. Because that's the one thing GOP trolls lie about the most.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"I will be more than happy to confront you libs wherever you want though -- bring it on!"

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Another thread, another JakeD hijack, another day of prerecorded nonsense.

What's the f*cking point of even trying to post around this idiot

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Look who is "hiding behing {SIC] their keyboards" with their threats of violence (DrainYou and mibrooks27 ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

The corporate sponsored Republican Teabagger thugs who are purposely disrupting healthcare townhalls, are making arses out of themselves and they're overplaying their hand....again.


These Repug Teabagging clowns don't even know what's in the healthcare bill, because THERE ISN"T A HEALTHCARE BILL YET. That's why they want to shout down people at these Townhalls, they don't want to talk. They want to score points for the Big Health Insurance Lobby that busses then in and gives them mindless talking points to shout out.


These Wingnut fake outrage performance art nutjobs, who are doing the dirty work for the Big Healthcare Lobby, are starting to look like the angry mobs who attended McCain/Palin events in the dying days of that campaign - they think they're going to force people to agree with them (minority), while at the same time not realizing that their repulsive behavior is making them look like morons to everyone else.


I'm loving it, Party on, Wingnuts!

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

margaretmeyers:

OK, I guess I wasn't misremembering! I THOUGHT you were near Philly. I'm in PA-5, the big ol' rural hunk of land in North Central PA. The little town in the southern part, which becomes the 3rd largest population center in PA on certain Saturdays in the fall, that's us.

So, you'll be getting a new Rep. next fall, huh? Do you think the GOP will run anyone? Who's the D guy -- Pike?

Posted by: mnteng | August 7, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

Good thing that Sen. Ted Kennedy didn't get his brain cancer AFTER Obamacare, because at 77 years of age, would not be treated the way it’s treated in the United States. In other words, he would not get the care that he gets here because of his age. It's a little like people saying, in a sense, when somebody gets to be 85 their life is worth less than when you're 35, and you pull the tubes on them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/06/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5220140.shtml

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD,
Lil' JakeD is just like all the other Repug chickenhawks - tough talkers....while they're hiding behing their keyboards.


If Diaperboy Jake ever pulled his fat a*ss out from in front of his computer and entered the real world with that Repug tough guy wannabe attitude of his, I'd be first in line to break him like a pretzel.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin:

Hmm. Organ meat in the basting sauce is a new one on me. I'll bet that tastes funny, though the Salt Lick seems to get a lot of good reviews.

I'm a hickory guy, though a mesquite-smoked turkey sounds like a good idea for Thanksgiving this year.

Posted by: mnteng | August 7, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

You know the hired Teabagger thugs/Opponents of health-care reform for poor and middle-class Americans -- which obviously includes nearly every talking head who appears on Faux News -- are getting desperate when they start trying to scare elderly people by suggesting that President Obama's health-care plans will mean euthanization for old folks when they get hurt.


That's what the lunatic fringe crew at Faux & Friends on Monday morning did, led by "Faux News legal analyst" Peter Johnson Jr., and aided and abetted by Brian Kilmeade and Gretchen Carlson.
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http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2009/07/fox-friends-crew-frighten-elderly.html

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

Please, you IGNORE me too!!!!

Besides, there could be a reasonable explanation -- maybe DrainYou has a multiple personality disorder -- who knows, maybe that was a different DrainYou (from the one now saying to "ignore" me):

"JakeD,
CodePink is a very small fringe group. The Teabagger goons that you cheerlead for are an astroturfed/corporate sponsored representation of what's left of the Repug base - dumber than a bag of rocks, toothless morons.

Nice try you jobless clown, shouldn't you be off hiding in your room stroking yourself to Sarah Palin photos before your mom comes home, right about now?"

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 5:44 PM

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

mnteng,
I thought YOU were in Laurel Highlands. I'm on the Main Line right outside Philadelphia -- in one of the many straggly bits of that make up the 6th Congressional District, a result of the 2002 Permanent Republican Majority plan. That's me, in the head of the dragon, waving at you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania's_6th_congressional_district

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 7, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"mibrooks27,
Like I said before, ignore little Jakey. he want's attention, that's why he spends 24 hrs a day on here shilling for the Republican party.

He's a loser, don't give him the attention that he craves."

I do think its funny how he taunts you guys by daring you to ignore him.

Reverse psychology apparently works even after the second grade.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27:

Are you scared now?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

Maybe you should take your own advice?

"JakeD,
CodePink is a very small fringe group. The Teabagger goons that you cheerlead for are an astroturfed/corporate sponsored representation of what's left of the Repug base - dumber than a bag of rocks, toothless morons.

Nice try you jobless clown, shouldn't you be off hiding in your room stroking yourself to Sarah Palin photos before your mom comes home, right about now?"

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 5:44 PM (just 1/2 hour ago)

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27,
Like I said before, ignore little Jakey. he want's attention, that's why he spends 24 hrs a day on here shilling for the Republican party.

He's a loser, don't give him the attention that he craves.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I did not bring this "off-topic" discussion and tried to re-direct this debate to the other thread -- I will be more than happy to confront you libs wherever you want though -- bring it on!

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27:

Gosh, too bad one of you "violent" liberals weren't around when that Code Pinkster threatened Dr. Rice with what appeared to be blood all over her hands -- then you BOTH could have been arrested -- forgive me if I find your new-found alligience to militia tactics a bit too convenient.

DrainYou:

Please, PLEASE, ignore me then.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27,
Just ignore JakeD, everyone else does.
He's trying to use CodePink as a false equivalency excuse for the Corporate sponsored teabagger thugs that he supports.

He's like a child who gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar before dinner - "who me? hey! look at what they're doing".

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

JakeD _ make the same demands of anyone and ay group acting like a mob. If they drown out debate, interrupt my ability to listen, I want them arrested. And, since I'm going to be going to my Senator's community meeting in Eugene, i these clowns show up and drown out the debate, I'm going to beat at least two of them senseless before the police can get to me. I am NOT one of your peaceful liberals and there will be A BUNCH of us going to these meetings from now on out. Maybe a bout a mayhem and some violence will lead to an end to this. But these people need to understand that, if they interrupt my ability to participate in my democracy, I WILL resort to violence. That, JakeD, is one of the things the Founding Father meant by a militia.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 7, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

These corporate sponored teabagger thugs who are being bussed in to purposely disrupt things, are taking away the opportunity for average Americans to discuss healthcare at townhalls with their law makers. If the Republicans actually had anything to contribute to the healthcare discussion they wouldn't have to hire teabagger thugs to perfom their fake outrage performance art all over the country.


Stephen Colbert EXPOSES the fake teabagger "protesters" for what they are - low income stooges for the Big Healthcare Lobby.
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http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/240728/august-04-2009/the-word---hippie-replacement
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Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

Your hypocrisy is showing -- Code Pinksters threatened the life of Condi Rice -- now we're even.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"What the hell is it with these guys, can't they get it through their heads that it's 2009, not 1980?

Posted by: chrisfox8 |"
------------
Ronald Reagan = higher unemployment (10.8%) two years into his first term
Ronald Reagan = Higher taxes, less social programs

Posted by: JRM2 | August 7, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27:

Did you make the same demands of law enforcements re: Code Pinksters?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

This is one of the many reasons why Americans are leaving the Republican party in droves.


BIG HEALTH INSURANCE LOBBY/CORPORATE SPONSORED REPUBLICAN TEA-BAGGER THUGS - THREATEN THE LIFE OF A DEM CONGRESSMAN OVER HEALTHCARE BILL:
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/dem-congressmans-office-his-life-has-been-threatened-over-health-care-bill.php?ref=fpblg
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Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
CodePink is a very small fringe group. The Teabagger goons that you cheerlead for are an astroturfed/corporate sponsored representation of what's left of the Repug base - dumber than a bag of rocks, toothless morons.


Nice try you jobless clown, shouldn't you be off hiding in your room stroking yourself to Sarah Palin photos before your mom comes home, right about now?

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I've posted many times here that I have some serious reservations about the current health care legislation, but I am flat out furious that some ginned up mobs make it impossible to hear what my representative has to say. This isn't debate, this is a bunch of goons taking it upon themselves to make debate, reason, education impossible. I don't know who these people are or who their leaders are, but wan, I *demand*, that law enforcement arrest the leaders and the loudmouths at these meetings. Stick them in prison for a couple of months, fine the snot out of them, and arrest and imprison the leaders for lengthy terms. This is a disgrace and no civilized or thinking person will tolerate it.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 7, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

( Links to Code Pink violence over on the other thread: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/080709-morning-fix-democrats-d.html ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Thankfully, Code Pinksters ware a minority too, even if they are loud, obnoxious and profoundly stupid.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Off topic:

The right wing media (Faux News, Rush etc) and right wing lunatic fringe astroturf groups are spreading the health insurance industry's script, reporting things as "news" when they are scare tactics and lies. Pretty much everyone is aware of it now. The teabaggers phony fake outrage gig has been exposed pretty well now, they're not convincing anyone of anything other than the fact that they're a bunch of toothless morons.


I mean, how can a rational adult believe that congress would write a bill that would demand that a father kill his disabled son who is sick with a serious illness, or one that would kill old people? Ha Ha Ha!


I mean, can they really believe this? I don't think so, this is irrational fear taking over any rational thought.


What's left of the Republican base (JakeD) are people who would would follow Rush or Beck off a cliff if it was demanded of them by their Repub overlords. They're not exactly free thinkers, they're people (dittoheads) who blindly follow their right wing authoritarian leaders because their personality demands it.


Thankfully they are a minority, even if they are loud, obnoxious and profoundly stupid.

Posted by: DrainYou | August 7, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Re: #8 Mark Shurtleff

This doesn't seem like the smartest move for someone running for senate.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/08/mark-mr-twitteriffic-shurtleff-see-dumb.html

Posted by: kh206 | August 7, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

margaretmeyers:

Ah, the Laurel Highlands. For some reason, I thought you were closer to the city. I'll be down your way next week to see Fallingwater on the way to the 'Burgh. Y'all are too close to a city to actually be part of Pennsyltucky (like here in Centre County), though I guess Laurel Highlands extends all the way to Cambria County.

Posted by: mnteng | August 7, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Mark, my view is Independents are going to vote in the Republican Primary big time - Abbott is damaged goods - the Austin American Statesman is refusing to cover the FBI investigation into his office - it will break soon.

Shapiro is a centrist who is big on education. This plays well in the burbs. A ceratin % of the vote is going to go to her as a woman. Her biggest problem will be money.

She is the only republican I have seen campaigning in South Texas. Independents - especially women, will not vote Abbott.

In the general senate race - Sharp is bad-mouthing white as a flaming liberal - Bentsen's endorsement will help White among old dog Dems, but not much further. White has the money and will win the primary, but he will be damaged and Shapiro will win.

How is it going to look for the Repubs if the ticket is all white and male. At least the Dems will have radnofsky (who is avoiding the LRGV since she refused to denounce Obama on the wall)

mark - it will all come down to money - if Shapiro can raise the money she will win - if not it will be Dewhurst - remember Cornyn will consider a loss to the Dems as personal - his problem is does he go with Abbott his buddy or with a sure fire win - Shapiro - you cannot trust the current polling on Shapiro because she does not have statewide recognition and the polls do not necessarily reflect independents

we shall see.

If Abbott gets the nod I can easily see White winning - Abbott is as filthy as they come - the stories will break outside Texas because Abbott's problems are tied to dirty politics in Austin and the American Statesman will always cover for the Dems (Abbotts problems include some high profile Dems)

Bobby WC

Posted by: bobbywc | August 7, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

[Toomey's] caveman philosophy about small government, free markets, very low taxes, and 'every man for himself as we dismantle as much government as possible' are the wrong message for the age (this one or any other).

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Is he mentioning Ronald Reagan a lot, too?

What the hell is it with these guys, can't they get it through their heads that it's 2009, not 1980?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

drindl, I think you are right that if it looks like Sestak has got the gas, Rendel and Biden and Obama will be politely nonpartisan and let the primary go where the voters take it.

If it comes to that Specter will have no one to blame but himself. He switched parties to get a lifeline on another term. He doesn't seem to accept that that requires a strong show for his new party. He DID recently appear here with Sibelius, so maybe he has had a wake-up call.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 7, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Christ guys all this talk about spicy meat, and I was planning to skip lunch today. No way, and damned good thing the cafeteria had hot wings today. Close as I could get in a pinch but hey, not bad.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hello, mnteng, in what the PA marketers call Laurel Highlands (better than Pennsyltucky). All we've heard from Toomey is the op-ed in support of the new Supreme Court Justice. He'll stick to fundraisers and controlled exposure like newspaper pieces and Rotary lunches. His caveman philosophy about small government, free markets, very low taxes, and 'every man for himself as we dismantle as much government as possible' are the wrong message for the age (this one or any other).

Specter does not back down. Sestak's running is going to put a lot of pressure on Specter to toe the line and do things that benefit the party. But Specter is also looking tired and snappish these days -- he thinks he can still run with the hounds. I think Sestak's robust appearance and dedication to the Democratic cause will be persuasive in a primary.

They are both taking swipes at each other but no, we haven't heard anything substantial yet.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 7, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Very good news as an American. Slightly less good news if you want to see Republicans back in power, but I imagine even those guys are heartened by at least a few people going back to work.

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I doubt it.

The only route back to power for the GOP is a major collapse, and that's what they hope for.

Don't forget: the stock market surges on bad news for workers.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

BobbyCW -

I posted here the other day that Florence and Michael Williams have no chance in the Special Election against Abbott and/or Dewhurst. Are you seeing some grassroots support for FS among Rs and Is? Austin can be like wearing blinders while viewing "Texas".

Smoked BBQ brisket at any good TX joint melts in the mouth. House Park BBQ in Austin - a fave lunch walk-in for the courthouse crowd but not at the level of delicacy served by Iron Works or Coopers or Kreuz or South Side or dozens of other CenTex landmarks [IMO] has had the sign for 55 years reading "need no teef to eat my beef" and it is true.

The secret is slow smoking over very low heat.


Mnteng, I have never preferred Salt Lick. The original owner was a Frenchie who came here after WW2. Their secret basting sauce has organ meat in it, I am sure, and
it just leaves a WRONG aftertaste to me.

Some centex faves specialize in beef ribs [e.g., County Line] or sausage [e.g., Southside Market]. Green Mesquite has mastered smoked turkey that stays sufficiently moist. Meanwhile, their is a taste distinction between smoking with oak or hickory or mesquite. Mesquite is favored in west TX b/c there is no better use for the chopped down water suckers.
Coopers in Llano uses mesquite.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 7, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, yes, an "absolutely riveting" California Democratic primary ...

A few facts.

Brown has over eight times as much money to spend as Newsom and a large lead in the polls.

Newsom's political and City Hall staffs erupted in turmoil last week with major departures.

Clearly an exciting race ...

Posted by: williambradley | August 7, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, yes, an "absolutely riveting" California Democratic primary ...

A few facts.

Brown has over eight times as much money to spend as Newsom and a large lead in the polls.

Newsom's political and City Hall staffs erupted in turmoil last week with major departures.

Clearly an exciting race ...

>3. California Governor (D): The story lines in the Democratic gubernatorial race are the stuff of great fiction. One candidate is running for the job he held more than three decades ago and has spent the intervening years running for president (three times) and the Senate (once). The other candidate is young and charismatic, and has made national headlines for his aggressive advocacy of gay marriage as well as for the problems in his own marriage. Whether state Attorney General Jerry Brown or San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom winds up as the Democratic nominee, the path each man takes over the next year promises to be absolutely riveting. (Previous ranking: 3)

Posted by: williambradley | August 7, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

RE my question on unemployment

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080700359.html?hpid=topnews

Jobs Losses Dwindle as Unemployment Rate Drops

Very good news as an American. Slightly less good news if you want to see Republicans back in power, but I imagine even those guys are heartened by at least a few people going back to work.

But let's give this a few months.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

My friends made the brisket. I don't want to describe it as rolled in rice. This was about five years ago, so I'm very hazy on it. I do remember it having a bready texture. I've been meaning to go and visit my friends in Houston. I think I can trust my car to get me there. I'll give it another shot if I do go. It's been a while since I've been to Texas. I think the last time was right after Katrina.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

Dude, you had brisket rolled in rice? Where was that? I'm Asian and even I wouldn't defile BBQ brisket that way.

I think you need to give Texas BBQ brisket another try. Somewhere good, like The Salt Like or Iron Works near Austin. Or Sonny's in the Big D.

Posted by: mnteng | August 7, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Reading the chat wrap.

Have the unemployment numbers for July been released? Unemployment has gone down?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"Ddawd -- it often reminds me of leather.

Posted by: drindl"

It might have been how the one I had was prepared. I think it was rolled in with some kind of stuffing or something with rice in it. I didn't hate it, but given how much my friends hyped it up, it certainly didn't measure.

As for the person who said Houston is god forsaken, I guess I should stand up for my four month home. There are a lot of good bars there if you know someone who knows them. Rice Village was always a good time. It's a huge, sprawling city, but where I lived, I didn't have to suffer any long drives. Everything was within a fifteen minute drive.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Texas Governors Race:

KBH has it - There is no real reason for anyone to vote in the Democratic Primary - it is developing as an all white primary and the Mexican American community is not happy.

South Texas is mad as heck over Obama's wall. You cannot blame Bush - it is Obama who has approved a deal wherein some of the poorest people in the US actually have to pay for the building of the wall through local tax dollars - it was either that or allow Obama to build a wall which cuts off downtown development and the needed loop for further development of trade with Mexico and our port.

Any liberal blogger in South TExas will tell you the Dem party is nothing more than organized criminals - the leadership in Austin refuses to protect us so we refuse to vote.

KBH will be the next governor and Florence Shapiro (R) will be the next US Senator. The all white ticket of the Democratic party will loose again.

Bobby Wightman-Cervantes

Posted by: bobbywc | August 7, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I hate that King Schumer in New York is bullying out good liberal democrats for someone he can control and can really be two senators. He is using Obama and the idea that primaries are bad for Democrats in New york even though Schumer of course won a primary and then beat an Incumbent Republican. How is he getting away with this. this is outrageous. I am going to boycott demcrats in NY next year!

Posted by: nivbri21 | August 7, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Sounds like a lotta corn, bsmion."

It takes a special personality to jump through all the relevant hoops to win.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 7, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

I'll be really interested to see what the D establishment does if/when Sestak's numbers improve against Specter. Especially BHO, since it that Sestak would be a much more reliable vote than Specter.

Toomey trying to make himself out as a moderate is ... what's that phrase ... oh, yeah, "like putting lipstick on a pig". You don't get to be president of the CfG by being a moderate.

Posted by: mnteng | August 7, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Simmons' decision to come out in opposition to Judge Sonia Sotomayor's confirmation to the Supreme Court is evidence that he is concerned about protecting his ideological right flank against Foley. "

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Danny Vargas, Chairman of the Republican National Hispanic Committee rightly allowed yesterday (PBS, Online NewsHour) that Republicans might lose Hispanic votes due to their votes against Sotomayor. Simmons will be an early test of that question.

And speaking of the Hispanic vote, Mel Martinez (R, FL) just announced he's vacating his Senate seat early. Who will Gov. Crist likely appoint to fill it? Jeb Bush?

Posted by: Kelly14 | August 7, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd -- it often reminds me of leather.

Posted by: drindl | August 7, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"As for the really important stuff try;
Cousins ribs and brisket in DFW airport;
Bakers for ribs and brisket and
Sonny Bryans for pulled pork and great side items in Dallas area;"

You know, I never really got what the big deal with brisket was. It had a strange texture, almost like it wasn't even meat.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

RE: Texas Governor's race.

I forgot to add that if you should find yourself stuck in Houston (what a God-forsaken place that city is), Burns BBQ is the place for ribs. However, if you also like hot links be very careful. Burns' hot links really do "burn"!

Posted by: claffiteau | August 7, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

mteng -- if Sestak runs strong, do you think the D establshment will back off a bit in their support for Specter? Just kinda sit on their hands? That's what i think can happen. Toomey's a weasel, Sestak can take him.

Posted by: drindl | August 7, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, JakeD, I'm not saying that a hard-fought primary between Arlen Specter and Joe Sestak can't possibly benefit Pat Toomey, particularly when it comes to fundraising, as you mentioned. I'm just saying that it has the capacity to be eithe a curse or a blessing, so if you're a Toomey fan -- which I presume you are -- you might not want to wish too hard for a brutal Specter-Sestak fight. All I'm saying is it might not be as good a thing for Toomey as you think -- though, of course, it might very well be a good thing for him.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | August 7, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1 writes:
"Are his people plugged into the Dem party machine, or does he have to build all those relationships from scratch?"

I'm pretty sure that Specter's people aren't plugged into the Dem party, but they certainly know how to run a campaign and Snarlin' Arlen has the backing of Fast Eddie. So, he should be able to easily get the help of the Dem establishment in that sense. While Rendell is no Daley Sr., he does wield considerable clout in the PA D party. Sestak will definitely be running uphill. Of course, whoever wins the D primary will have Rendell's backing for the general.

I think that the 2008 Presidential race in PA is a good indicator of Rendell's (and the D establishment's) strength, with HRC having Rendell's backing in the primary, then BHO soundly beating McC in the general.

Posted by: mnteng | August 7, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

RE: Texas Governor's race.
"The Fix will have to do a lot of on-the-ground reporting on this one over the next year!"

Yes indeed it will be interesting to see how many Dems and Indies vote in the "OPEN" Republican primary. More is better for KBH and Republican chances to win the General, while less is good for "Tricky Ricky" and better for likely Dem nominee Tom Scheiffer (brother of CBS newsman Bob)in terms of winning the General.

As for the really important stuff try;
Cousins ribs and brisket in DFW airport;
Bakers for ribs and brisket and
Sonny Bryans for pulled pork and great side items in Dallas area;

When you are down in the Austin area head out into the surrounding hill country to the 3 "L" towns of Lexington, home to Snows BBQ, Lockhart, home to both Kreuz Market (just the meat please) and Smitty's Market and last but definitely not least, Luling's City Market. Those 4 joints serve up the best BBQ in Texas!

Posted by: claffiteau | August 7, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a lotta corn, bsmion.

Posted by: drindl | August 7, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

You never know what a rat might do. Lots of Dems have had their military service slimed in recent years. There is no bottom for Rs anymore -- they'll do anything.

Posted by: drindl | August 7, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

building on this thought:
"Are his people plugged into the Dem party machine, or does he have to build all those relationships from scratch?"

Here in MN, particularly on the DFL side, there is a two step process to get to the general election. First, the party holds an endorsement convention, where the delegates decide which candidate the party will endorse for the primary - if they can't reach agreement, they don't endorse at all. This is important because the party die-hards tend to give a lot of deference to the endorsed candidate. The candidates that do the groundwork before the nominating convention - attending all the corn feeds and fundraisers for local candidates throughout the state - tend to get rewarded at nomination time. Sen Franken used this strategy to smooth his path to the nomination. Some candidates will not pledge to 'abide' by the party's endorsement - meaning they will run in the primary against the endorsed candidate. Typically the endorsed candidates win easily.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 7, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

GJonahJameson:

My bigger concern is the amount of money and time that will be wasted while Toomey sits back and rakes in the dough -- he's going to need every advantage he can get -- and, I really doubt that Toomey was going to use Sestak's military service against him anyway ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Ah, but forget not, JakeD, sometimes a bitter primary battle can lead to an advantage in the general election -- one of those situations in which all the winning candidate's dirty (or potentially dirty) laundry has already been aired, and the general election opponent has nothing new to drag out. We all say we detest negative campaigning, but it wins elections, and if the opponent doesn't have anything negative left to campaign against, that's no good for the opponent.

The most obvious example would be the gloves-off Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton primary fight last year. There were people who said Clinton and her supporters were torpedoing Obama in the general by bringing out things like Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers, but those moves prevented John McCain and his supporters from being able to effectively use the same points, as they'd already failed to stop Obama once.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | August 7, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

mnteng writes
"IIRC, Specter only lost a couple of people from his organization."

Any idea how that translates to a campaign? I'm thinking in terms of being plugged into local party officials - particularly in a state the size of PA - and the need to organize local multi-candidate events & fundraisers. Are his people plugged into the Dem party machine, or does he have to build all those relationships from scratch?

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 7, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Let them. It won't help Toomey. He has too extreme a record. If Specter wins it will be by firming up his Democratic bona-fides (not holding my breath); if Sestak wins it gives Obama a solid Democratic ally where Specter is a sketchy one.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 7, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

I do hope that Specter and Sestak both beat each other up badly.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

All the Democrats better show their birth certificates.

Sestak...Hmmm...Sounds like a Swahili, Nazi, communist, fascist to me. MOB HIM!

Posted by: hayden1 | August 7, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

IIRC, Specter only lost a couple of people from his organization.

Posted by: mnteng | August 7, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm an ardent Democrat in San Francisco who doesn't think that Tom Campbell should be counted out of the California GOP Gubernatorial primary. However, the more the media ignores him, the more it restricts our choices. The only edge that Whitman and Poizner have right now is money.

Posted by: jrc1234 | August 7, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Re: Utah 2010 US Senate Race. It isn't raising the money, it is using it to help get a candidate elected.

Bennett also spent $400,000 or more in the same quarter as he raced $700,000. Based on the reaction at the state convention, he might has well have not spent it. He is not likely to even get 40% of the votes needed to make a primary.

In March of this year Senator Bob Bennett was rated one of the ten most liberal Republicans in the Senate by Human Events based on the American Conservative Union Ratings for 2008. Why Bennett would pay money to convince voters he is Conservative is beyond me.

Posted by: Utah1 | August 7, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse


Hint: They look you in the eyes.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 7, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse


Look at the pics above. I swear I can only see one Democrat. Odd, isn't it?

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 7, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Arlen will perhaps regret some of his votes, but Sestak should hammer on them, his theme should be that Arlen can't be trusted, which should be easy to hang on him because it's true.

Posted by: drindl | August 7, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

margaretmeyers:

Do you have a favorite in the Senate race? I haven't seen/heard any ads yet out here in "Alabama". How about in your neck of the woods?

Posted by: mnteng | August 7, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"We'll see if Bob McDonnell and Chris Christie start the snowball running this November with wins in Virginia and New Jersey, respectively."

Expect the snowball to melt. It will.

Posted by: drindl | August 7, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

We'll see if Bob McDonnell and Chris Christie start the snowball running this November with wins in Virginia and New Jersey, respectively.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse


I concur with margaret on Sestak/Specter. Snarlin' Arlin is behaving a little more like a Democrat these days. I think I'd prefer to have a real Democrat than old GOP leftovers, but that's PA's call. No chance for Toomey.

I am depressed about the Michigan governorship. There's just not a decent Dem running. I hope Barack has something in mind for Jennifer.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 7, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Re: Utah 2010 US Senate race.

You are not correct re: Bennett and Shurtleff. Energy Solutions had at a Focus Group recently which had 12 random delegates. Cherilyn Eagar received 6 vote and Shurtleff and Bennett each had 3.

Remember also that Energy Solutions is donating to Bennett.

Posted by: Utah1 | August 7, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"The issue for Sestak is whether he can overcome the financial and organizational advantages that Specter enjoys in the race."

How much of Specter's organization did he retain after the party switch?

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 7, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I understand that Colbert is not a conservative -- he is funny, though, and influential amoung the youths -- there will be some Democrats who vote for Sestak in the primary BECAUSE he went on the Colbert Report.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Specter/Sestak is a win-win for Pennsylvania Democrats: either Specter becomes more proficient at hewing a Democratic line or we get Sestak in the general election. Either one will beat Toomey since sooner or later Toomey will have to talk about his positions -- most of them are why we are in the ditch right now.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 7, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Colbert is not a conservative. He simply lampoons and mocks them.

Posted by: drindl | August 7, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Sestak just got the Colbert BUMP too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

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