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Ranking Republican leaders

The recently-concluded Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington amounted to a sort of tryout for those Republican elected officials hoping to exert influence on the future direction of the party.

Some like former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Florida state House Speaker Marco Rubio shined while others like Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty struggled. (Still others like former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin no-showed.)

But, CPAC was only the first of many markers on the road to influence -- and the road to 2012. The next major test will come in early April in New Orleans at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference where every candidate mentioned as a potential presidential candidate will be in attendance and speaking.

Friday Line

The newest Line ranking Republican leaders is dominated by potential presidential aspirants -- they hold down seven of the top 10 spots -- largely due to the fact that the race has begun in earnest over the past few weeks with several of the major players making their intentions more clear.

That's not to say all the action is at the presidential level. National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (Texas) continues to move up the Line as, thanks to a combination of good recruiting, good luck and a good national environment, he is sitting in position to preside over major gains this fall.

The full Line is below. The number one ranked politician is considered the most influential voice within the party today. Agree? Disagree? You can rank the races yourself at the bottom of this post.

To the Line!

10. John Thune: As South Dakota's March 30 filing deadline approaches, expect the chatter about Thune as a presidential candidate to increase. The South Dakota Republican has yet to draw a Democratic opponent of any kind and his team wants to be careful that he stays focused on the re-elect race for the next month to avoid one emerging from the woodwork. Assuming no one serious steps forward to take on Thune this fall, expect him to pivot sometime this spring to at least weigh the possibility of a presidential bid. (Previous ranking: 6)

9. Mitch Daniels: The Indiana Governor confirmed to the Post's Dan Balz what lots of insider already knew: he is open to the possibility of running for president. And, Daniels has quite the story to tell: he succeeded in Indiana even as the party was imploding nationally thanks to a de-emphasis on partisanship and a results-driven governing style. (That approach is far more easily executed on the state level than the federal level, of course.) Daniels will also now compete with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich for the mantle of "ideas" candidate so look for him to grow his issue portfolio on the national stage in the coming months. (Previous ranking: N/A)

8. Newt Gingrich: Gingrich has been somewhat quiet of late but there is no doubt that he wants to be a major player within the party heading into 2010/2012. Gingrich said in an interview with Hotline's On Call blog that he and his wife, Calista, were "trying to organize our activities to be in a position to make a decision [about running for president] in February or March [of '11]." Gingrich also told Hotline that he is forming a federal PAC designed to donate to candidate for office this November -- the surest sign yet that he is working to build the infrastructure to run nationally. (Previous ranking: N/A)

7. Marco Rubio: Rubio's speech at CPAC was one of the most eagerly awaited by the conservative crowd and, given the high expectations, he acquitted himself nicely. The speech typified the rapid rise of Rubio in conservative circles from unknown to giant killer -- the giant being Gov. Charlie Crist who Rubio is challenging for the state's open Senate seat. If he wins the primary and, presumably, the general election, Rubio will immediately begin to be talked about as a national candidate given his beloved status among conservatives, his youth (he's 38) and his Hispanic heritage. The recent controversy over charges he billed to a state party credit card, however, show that the idea of Rubio may ultimately trump the reality of Rubio. (Previous ranking: N/A)

6. Scott Brown: Brown's Senate special election victory in Massachusetts last month was the sort of cataclysmic event that resets the political landscape. And, Brown, immediately became a national star -- profiled by the New York Times magazine and perhaps the most requested campaign surrogate within the party. (Brown will campaign for Arizona Sen. John McCain next month.) And, Brown appears to already be having some influence within the chamber as well; his decision to vote for the jobs bill earlier this week led to a flood of Republican support that took a bill on the verge of failing to a convincing passage. (Previous ranking: N/A)

5. John Cornyn: Cornyn took over the chairmanship of the NRSC and was immediately hit by a series of Republican retirements in tough states like New Hampshire, Ohio and Missouri. But, as the national environment turned toward Republicans, Cornyn took advantage -- scoring a series of recruiting successes and putting the the party in position to make significant gains in the Senate this fall. If the gains are in the 7-8 seat range, Cornyn will be carrying lots of cards heading into the 112th Congress. (Previous ranking: 9)

4. Tim Pawlenty: Pawlenty had an uneven last week. On the good side, he appeared confident and knowledgeable during a one-on-one interview David Gregory on "Meet the Press". On the other, his speech at CPAC was flat and unimpressive -- a performance that won't hurt him but also won't help him build buzz in Washington. Pawlenty has a compelling personal story -- son of a truck driver, first person in his family to go to college -- but as the CPAC address proved, he doesn't know how to tell it right yet. But, he is working as hard as anyone in the field and he'll get better. (Previous ranking: 4)

3. Sarah Palin: Palin continues to be the most difficult person to rank on the Line. If the Line detailed the most influential conservative leaders in the country, she would clearly be number one -- as demonstrated by the hero's welcome she received during her keynote address at the national Tea Party convention earlier this month. But, Palin lacks real influence within the Republican establishment -- she probably likes it that way -- that makes it difficult to rank her any higher. Palin's inner political circle remains very much a work in progress but those that are closest to her at the moment are far from household names in Washington who would help her build credibility and influence inside Washington. (Previous ranking: 1)

2. Haley Barbour: Barbour, the governor of Mississippi, is broadly admired as perhaps the best combination of political strategist and spokesman that the party has at the moment. Barbour chairs the Republican Governors Association -- where the party hopes to make gains in large states like Ohio and Pennsylvania in advance of the 2011 redistricting process -- but is also a trusted behind-the-scenes counselor at almost every level of the party. Barbour appears to harbor some presidential ambitions of his own; "If there is anything to think about after the election is over, then I'll start to think about it then," Barbour recently told a group of national reporters. (Previous ranking: 2)

1. Mitt Romney: Romney gave a command performance at CPAC -- delivering a solid speech aimed at establishing himself as the de facto leader of the party and offering a detailed critique of the Obama Administration and its policies. And, his decision to put Matt Rhoades, communications director of his 2008 presidential bid, in charge of his Free and Strong America PAC was a savvy move that won him kudos among party insiders. Romney appears far more at ease in this race than he did in 2008; he knows who he is and what he can (and can't) do -- a very important quality in politics. (Previous ranking: 3)

By Chris Cillizza  |  February 26, 2010; 12:00 PM ET
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Comments

WOW! There is a total of like 7 people who have commented here, but with absolutely NOTHING to say! CONGRATS ON BEING NO LIFE LOSERS! :)

Funny how the war mongering welfare loving leech fails to mention the man who won the CPAC Straw Poll by a LONG SHOT... Ron Paul. Ron Paul is also the only person in this article of zero integrity who actually has MAJOR LEGISLATION (Audit The FED) due up for a vote with over 300 co-sponsors lining "both side" of the political isle. An oversight, or just plain stupidity? Yeah, thats what i thought too. No wonder Wapo has the same 7 people posting gibberish...;)

Posted by: radioexp | March 2, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

The fact the author totally fails to mention the "Ron Paul effect," makes the article entirely specious. Regardless of political disposition, the fact that the author pays no heed that Ron Paul won the Presidential Straw Poll, or that the grassroots are having a much larger impact on CPAC than the "same ol', same ol' among the conservatives and GOP is inexcuseable. This shows the WaPo becoming more and more irrelevant in reporting. Instead they only editorialize the news based on a flawed worldview.

Posted by: CoTAC | March 2, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse


drindl You are a complete moron.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 10:04 PM

.

There's 37th with his


DIM


MIRROR,


looking and seeing only


HIMSELF.


Funny and sad.


Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 1, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

That's great news.

He'd damn well better not get any abortion backalk from Democrats, not with the insurance companies holding us hostage. I hope he has one on one talks with the Blue Dog jerks and makes it clear that holding up HCR for frivolity like abortion will get them endlessly funded primary challenges.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 1, 2010 3:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | March 1, 2010 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Wow.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 1, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Noacoler

Call them, ask them.


Look at the archives.

This is your problem - your closed mind - you never look anything else.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 1, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse


The Obama campaign really did have over 100 bloggers at their offices who were harrassing everyone in the country.

==

anyone who believes that strangers are organiIng against him should know that he desperately needs help.

anyone who believes that the *President of
the United States* is in on the conspiracy is too late for help.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 1, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Poor zouk. An unskilled insulter. Trying to make up in viciousness what he lacks in talent. It's not working, zouk, but feel free to keep at it if it does anything to relieve the turbo-charged tedium of that remorseless slog you call your life.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Any lawyers here -


If the Supreme Court says that the 2nd Amendment applies to the states - does that mean that Plaxico Burress gets out of prison ???

Just asking.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Mark


12BarBlues accused me of some voodoo ritual -


The Obama campaign really did have over 100 bloggers at their offices who were harrassing everyone in the country.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party - the real one - met at the port at that intersection, I think.

Thanks for the explanation on the chicken dance.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 28, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse


Mark:


Dorchester and Congress is a corner in Boston - what happened there?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse


Mark:


Dorchester and Congress is a corner in Boston - what happened there?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

@mark, re dancing chickens:

I have to defend 37th on this one. One dark and lonely night I told 37th he reminded me of someone who dances around tombstones, sacrifices chickens, and hangs Obama's picture upside down. I might have added something about sticking pins in dolls and muttering curses in pig latin, but I don't really remember.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin


Do you know what the corner of Dorchester and Congress is ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

12barblues:

drindl and I remember 2008 when he posted variously under the names "WordsOfWisdom787" and "Dorchester&Congress", as well as "37th and O Street". he had his own blog at MySpace that he shilled for here, the way another poster shills for his blog about the secret radiation weapons every day, even now. He supported McC, loved Palin, and daily ranted about BHO, Michelle, and their "Chicago minions" in CAPITAL letters. Seems candidate BHO was getting back at the rest of us for slavery, Dred Scott, and Jim Crow, while suppressing freedom of speech by having the Chicago minions criticize his posts and flood the blogs. BHO was always having a very bad week, in CAPS, while he campaigned for the nomination.

He also posted at the Pittsburgh newspaper enough to make me think he was from that town. I read his blog a few times. He seemed to be no more than 30 years of age but not ignorant; merely a bit unstable with too much time on his hands. Sometimes he would find an acorn, like the proverbial blind pig, but mostly he took up reams of cyberspace, if you will permit the mixed metaphor of paper and electrons. I would direct you to his blog but it appears to have vanished.

And I do not recall his having claimed to have danced with a chicken, before tonight.


Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 28, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

drindl


Everyone is telling you that reconciliation is only for budgetary issues - so what do you do?


You list a bunch of budgetary issues.

And you pretend that your list convinces everyone that reconciliation is OK for health care.


It's not.

Then you say I'm nuts - because no one is buying your argument.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

'I'm still dancing with a chicken.'

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Posted by: 37thand0street'

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this guy is freakin nuts... what a case for the textbooks.

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 11:01 PM
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I have to defend 37th on this one. One dark and lonely night I told 37th he reminded me of someone who dances around tombstones, sacrifices chickens, and hangs Obama's picture upside down. I might have added something about sticking pins in dolls and muttering curses in pig latin, but I don't really remember.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Politico reports:


Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) threw cold water on the idea of using the reconciliation process Sunday during an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation."

"Reconciliation cannot be used to pass comprehensive health care reform," said Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. "The major package would not be done through reconciliation."

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This is out of control - do the democrats have any idea what they are doing?

Who is in charge? OH Obama -

Obama is no leader -


The whole country can't wait for Obama to go back to Hyde Park - where he can pretend to be a Professor again.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

this guy is freakin nuts... what a case for the textbooks.

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 11:01 PM
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Can I take that as a second?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I think we can see what the Republicans really think of the HCR bill by whether they really try to stop reconciliation. To me, it's pretty obvious that Republicans think it's a good bill that will help Americans. That is why they want to prevent its passage since Dems will get credit for it. If Repubs truly think that HCR is political poison, they will just let reconciliation go off without a hitch. It's a perfect plan. Dems will pass a plan that supposedly no one wants. Republicans will have no fingerprints on it since it's through a 51% minority. Furthermore, Republicans can campaign on the use of the process.

It's such a brilliant plan. Why won't Republicans go through with it?

Oh yeah, because people want health care reform and don't give a crap about process if stuff is getting done.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 28, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

'I nominate 37th to be Chairman of the High Crimes and Political Hijinx Committee for the purpose of keel hauling the President and thereby removing him from office forwith or even sooner.

Any seconds?

Posted by: 12BarBlues

......................

'I'm still dancing with a chicken.'

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Posted by: 37thand0street'

...

this guy is freakin nuts... what a case for the textbooks.

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi continues the delusional Orwellian speak

"A bill can be bipartisan without bipartisan votes"

___________________________

So, no one in the country wants the bill, but it still can be bipartisan.

Orwellian nightmare or day in the park ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

drindl


Where did all the come from - the White House Office of Deception and Justification?

Seriously, the best analogy is the one with the new baseball book - "The Code"

Obama and the democrats have violated "The Code" - they are way out of bounds.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm still dancing with a chicken.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You and your friend can play all the games you want - but next year is going to be difficult - if Obama doesn't want to work with the Republicans, when the Republicans have the House, they are going to make it extremly difficult for Obama.

The Republicans can run around and say they won the election, and therefor no compromise will be at hand, no matter what the campaign commitments were.


Nancy Pelosi appears ready to lose her job over this - does that mean she will resign when she loses the vote ?

Maybe Stupak can team up with the Republicans and become Speaker of the House.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

@fellow minions,

I nominate 37th to be Chairman of the High Crimes and Political Hijinx Committee for the purpose of keel hauling the President and thereby removing him from office forwith or even sooner.

Any seconds?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere in all this talk about using reconciliation is an IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.


The executive is not supposed to interfere in the rules of the Senate to such an extent.

There is something called "Separation of Powers"

Obama is conspiring to violate the rules of the Senate - and this is a HIGH CRIME.

The election is only 8 months from now - and the result will be impeachment for Obama - a fitting response to Obama going back on his campaign promises.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

drindl


You are a complete moron.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

with appropriate quotation marks:


"Today, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) appeared on ABC’s This Week to discuss last week’s bipartisan health care reform summit. During the summit, Alexander urged the President and Congressional Democrats to “renounce” the idea of using budget reconciliation to pass health care reform. Alexender went even further today, saying that the use of reconciliation would be “the end of the Senate“:

"The reconciliation procedure is a little-used legislative procedure — 19 times, it’s been used. It’s for the purpose of taxing, spending, and reducing deficits. But the difference here is, that there’s never been anything of this size and magnitude and complexity run through the Senate in this way. There are a lot of technical problems with it, which we could discuss. It would turn the Senate, it would really be the end of the Senate as a protector of minority rights, the place where you have to get consensus, instead of just a partisan majority."

--If using reconciliation were really “the end of the Senate,” the Senate would have died a long time ago, and Lamar Alexander would have been complicit in its death.

Reconciliation has been used to pass at least 19 bills, including major pieces of health care reform legislation like the Children’s Health Insurance Program and the Medicare Advantage Program. Fourteen of the times reconciliation was employed it was used to advance Republican interests.

Furthermore, Alexander himself has personally voted for reconciliation at least four times, as Igor Volsky pointed out:

– 2003 Bush Tax Cuts: The Congressional Budget office, Bush’s tax cuts for the rich increased budget deficits by $60 billion in 2003 and by $340 billion by 2008. The bill had a cost of about a trillion dollars. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2005 Deficit Reduction Act of 2005: The bill cut approximately $4.8 billion over five years and $26.1 billion over the next ten years from Medicaid spending. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2005 Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005: The bill extended tax cuts on capital gains and dividends and the alternative minimum tax. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2007 College Cost Reduction and Access Act: The bill forgave all remaining student loan debt after 10 years of public service. [Alexander voted yes]

In the end, Alexander’s mere presence on television this morning seems to indicate that using reconciliation does not, in fact, end the Senate.

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

i'm just saying,

"Today, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) appeared on ABC’s This Week to discuss last week’s bipartisan health care reform summit. During the summit, Alexander urged the President and Congressional Democrats to “renounce” the idea of using budget reconciliation to pass health care reform. Alexender went even further today, saying that the use of reconciliation would be “the end of the Senate“:

The reconciliation procedure is a little-used legislative procedure — 19 times, it’s been used. It’s for the purpose of taxing, spending, and reducing deficits. But the difference here is, that there’s never been anything of this size and magnitude and complexity run through the Senate in this way. There are a lot of technical problems with it, which we could discuss. It would turn the Senate, it would really be the end of the Senate as a protector of minority rights, the place where you have to get consensus, instead of just a partisan majority.

If using reconciliation were really “the end of the Senate,” the Senate would have died a long time ago, and Lamar Alexander would have been complicit in its death.

Reconciliation has been used to pass at least 19 bills, including major pieces of health care reform legislation like the Children’s Health Insurance Program and the Medicare Advantage Program. Fourteen of the times reconciliation was employed it was used to advance Republican interests.

Furthermore, Alexander himself has personally voted for reconciliation at least four times, as Igor Volsky pointed out:

– 2003 Bush Tax Cuts: The Congressional Budget office, Bush’s tax cuts for the rich increased budget deficits by $60 billion in 2003 and by $340 billion by 2008. The bill had a cost of about a trillion dollars. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2005 Deficit Reduction Act of 2005: The bill cut approximately $4.8 billion over five years and $26.1 billion over the next ten years from Medicaid spending. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2005 Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005: The bill extended tax cuts on capital gains and dividends and the alternative minimum tax. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2007 College Cost Reduction and Access Act: The bill forgave all remaining student loan debt after 10 years of public service. [Alexander voted yes]

In the end, Alexander’s mere presence on television this morning seems to indicate that using reconciliation does not, in fact, end the Senate."

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

'More on the Baker Beach gunmen:'

12Bar, what as this all about? I hadn't seen it.

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 9:44 PM
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A bunch of gun toters showed up at Baker Beach to make a point [!] about gun rights. Then the cops showed up [duh] and searched them. Guns were not loaded. This is the same bunch who have been going around to East Bay restaurants for lunch carrying guns. Here's the link if you want all the gory details:


http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_14488036?nclick_check=1
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WTF is wrong with these people? They clearly do not have enough to do.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Suzy and drunken 12BarBlues:

The problem is the third bill you are talking about will never pass - there is no trust between the various sides.

Anyway - pundits can listen to the democrats all they want -

At this point, it more closely resembles a crowd which has gathered on the street to watch someone jump off a building - everyone is watching Obama and the democrats to see if they are really going to jump.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Could you give me a link?

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

SuzyCcup


You are right - there are so many issues in the difference between the Senate and House bills - that it will be difficult to work them all out through reconciliation.

The first problem is Stupak - initially he had about 40 votes - however the democratic Senators did not want to agree - so somehow that has to be worked out.

Next, the moderate democrats - who are afraid of losing their elections this fall - have to be brought on board by Nancy Pelosi - now why would they risk their seats just so Obama can try to have his ego stroked ?

Obama is just asking too much of his friends the democrats.


Obama is going to be IMPEACHED - the ACORN money is going to be investigated - it's a total scandal.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

'More on the Baker Beach gunmen:'

12Bar, what as this all about? I hadn't seen it.

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

For the last 3 days this strategy has been publicized everywhere.

Politico lays out how Democrats envision the reconciliation process working in this case. "Step one, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said Congress must first pass a reconciliation bill with major, but limited, fixes to the original Senate bill. Step two, the House would then agree to pass the Senate bill. Step three, both chambers would have to pass a third bill with policy changes that would not pass muster under reconciliation," to address issues not related to the budget, such as abortion (Budoff Brown, 2/26).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to be snarky. Here's the plan (as I understand it): the House and Senate will pass the side issues bill first under reconciliation rules. Then the House will pass the Senate bill.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 9:26 PM

No, I still don't see that happening. The back room deals didn't go over very well and the process you describe won't either.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Suzy and drunken 12BarBlues:

First, the Senate bill does not contain the abortion provisions - and the House is insisting that - so they are going to pretend that abortion falls under the reconciliation - maybe.

But the larger issue is: you can't pass an amendment before you pass the bill.

How can you amend something that isn't a law yet?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


It does not matter if the democrats pass the health care bill with the fixes with or without reconciliation or not.

It just does not matter.

What matters is the American People are sick of Obama and the democrats - and the democrats have CLEARLY SHOWED they don't care about what the American People think.


So, the democrats are going to take a beating at the polls this November.

All of the health care will be HALTED. The only part of Health Care which will be implemented will be that which BOTH PARTIES AGREE. Sure sounds like what the American People elected Obama to do, but Obama refused to do that.

Obama is going to get impeached.

They already have enough dirt on Obama - so the democrats might as well start running for cover.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

12BB, yes, I see that recon would only be used for side issues. So how then would they pass a main bill to have something to use reconciliation on? Unless you're talking about the House passing the existing Senate bill (which won't happen), the Senate would still need sixty votes to pass a main bill. Where would those come from?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 9:20 PM
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I'm not going to be snarky. Here's the plan (as I understand it): the House and Senate will pass the side issues bill first under reconciliation rules. Then the House will pass the Senate bill.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse


Suzy,

Maybe you should listen to the interview and not take the title so literally. Conrad says that reconciliation would be used for the side issues of HCR only, not the COMPREHENSIVE bill. This is not the news you seem to think.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 9:09 PM

12BB, yes, I see that recon would only be used for side issues. So how then would they pass a main bill to have something to use reconciliation on? Unless you're talking about the House passing the existing Senate bill (which won't happen), the Senate would still need sixty votes to pass a main bill. Where would those come from?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Now people will be afraid to take their kids out of the house.

Hitting ped where it hurts.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Suzy,

Maybe you should listen to the interview and not take the title so literally. Conrad says that reconciliation would be used for the side issues of HCR only, not the COMPREHENSIVE bill. This is not the news you seem to think.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing about the "nuclear option." Isn't that what the American people will use in November?

✞ Rest in peace, dems ✞

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Ped. Not many adults go to chuckee cheese alone. You must feel pretty creepy. No wonder you want to get out.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

obama spends (wastes) all his time on health care because he doesn't have a clue what to do about the economy. It's a diversion.

Don't you wish the election were tomorrow?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Aside: nice to see that the goobs are getting scared that HCR is going to pass...

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 8:09 PM

Noacoler, no one's scared. HCR will never pass.

From Politico:

Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) threw cold water on the idea of using the reconciliation process Sunday during an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation."

"Reconciliation cannot be used to pass comprehensive health care reform," said Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. "The major package would not be done through reconciliation."

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

And of course the nutjobs get theirr paranoia validated. "they weren't even loaded! NEXT TIME THEY WILL BE! TYranny TYranny TYranny."
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@Noa, so insightful--

that is probably what shrink2 was talking about the other day, projective identification.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

That gun incident actually reminds me of the f*g episode of South Park. It involves a group of bikers going around just being a nuisance for the sake of being a nuisance.

They're just a bunch of f*gs.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 28, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Of all the sick. F ucked up. Despicable things to do. Intimidate parents at the beach so they don't feel safe having a nice outing at the beach. Do these a ssholes really think they're making any friends terrorizing children and their parents waving guns around? Now people will be afraid to take their kids out of the house.

And of course the nutjobs get theirr paranoia validated. "they weren't even loaded! NEXT TIME THEY WILL BE! TYranny TYranny TYranny."

This is really over the line. How can anyone excuse this SH|T?!?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

More on the Baker Beach gunmen:

"Jon Schwartz, 38, of Livermore said that he could unholster his .45 caliber Smith and Wesson M&P remove the empty magazine, put in a loaded magazine, get in a shooting stance and fire all within 2.1 seconds.

An argument that society is safer with guns is not convincing in a place where children are playing in the surf and picnicking, said Ludo Thomasson, 32, of San Francisco.

The only tension of the morning came when they met up with U.S. Park Police, who were warning beachgoers of the tsunami advisory.

"I respect your right to carry, but I do have to inspect your weapons," said Sgt. Todd Roth.

David Julian, 28, of Cupertino challenged Roth as to whether he had the right to do so. He took photographs and audio-recorded the inspection in case there was trouble.

Montgomery, the San Jose resident, wore a miniature video camera during the entire event, so that he, too, would have proof in case there were any incidents. His iPhone was recording audio at the same time.

Because he is heavily tattooed, has a goatee and dark skin and wore a black, hooded sweatshirt, Montgomery said he is often stopped by police.

"I have legal rights to not be stopped by police officers," he said.

While the law allows for inspecting weapons, gun rights advocates believe it is a violation of Fourth Amendment protections against illegal search and seizure."
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I'm ready to admit I was wrong to see these guys as harmless.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

It is really amazing how delusional the democrats are - everyone is saying - do NOT pass a bill that few people in American want.

But the democrats keep on saying - they will pass the bill, and everyone will change their minds and give them electorial victories for years.


Sort of bizarre - isn't it ?


Anyway.


What is going to happen is this: whether it passes or not, the country is getting angrier and angrier at Obama for failing to work on the economy - and instead insisting on continuing the health care.


People are so sick of Obama and democrats they really don't want to talk about it anymore.

How is it that these people are going to start to express their happiness, and flock to the democrats - when massive taxes which they do not want are coming their way ?

NOT sure about the logic there - it's either logic or delusion - which do you pick?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Ped I thought you had the stuttering beat.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Aside: nice to see that the goobs are getting scared that HCR is going to pass. AS IF the GOP could get back in power when the Democrats are making American lives better

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 8:09 PM
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I've been following same story on RCP.

Here are the reactions:

It won't happen,
it can't happen,
it will not happen,
they don't dare,
they don't have the votes,
we'll overturn it,
we'll undo it,
we'll redo it,
we won't fund it,
we'll erase it,
we'll never forget it,
we'll undo the bad parts and keep the good parts,
and we'll blame Obama.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

More Tea Party related news: Today in San Francisco, about a hundred gun toting folks fanned out over the beach. Freaked everyone out--police showed up & searched them. Guns were not loaded. Same folks as the ones trying to go to California Pizza. WTF is up with these people?

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obvious to the meanest intelligence. They're terrorists.

When people can't enjoy a day at the beach without a bunch of unhinged crazies displaying the accoutrements of murder ... pardon me, "self-defense" ... then society begins to fall apart. Which is what the teabaggers want. Lawlessness, anarchy, murder without consequence. Time to start rounding these people up.

Aside: nice to see that the goobs are getting scared that HCR is going to pass. AS IF the GOP could get back in power when the Democrats are making American lives better

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

More Tea Party related news: Today in San Francisco, about a hundred gun toting folks fanned out over the beach. Freaked everyone out--police showed up & searched them. Guns were not loaded. Same folks as the ones trying to go to California Pizza. WTF is up with these people?

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obvious to the meanest intelligence. They're terrorists.

When people can't enjoy a day at the beach without a bunch of unhinged crazies displaying the accoutrements of murder ... pardon me, "self-defense" ... then society begins to fall apart. Which is what the teabaggers want. Lawlessness, anarchy, murder without consequence. Time to start rounding these people up.

Aside: nice to see that the goobs are getting scared that HCR is going to pass. AS IF the GOP could get back in power when the Democrats are making American lives better

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

We'll see.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse


JakeD

I think all that the Republicans have to do is capture the House in November - then refuse to fund any part of the health care bill - that will halt it.

Then when Obama is out, the whole thing can be sent to the trash heap.

The democrats are not thinking one move ahead - typical of liars, who never think about what happens when the truth comes out.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse


JakeD

I think all that the Republicans have to do is capture the House in November - then refuse to fund any part of the health care bill - that will halt it.

Then when Obama is out, the whole thing can be sent to the trash heap.

The democrats are not thinking one move ahead - typical of liars, who never think about what happens when the truth comes out.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

I think all that the Republicans have to do is capture the House in November - then refuse to fund any part of the health care bill - that will halt it.

Then when Obama is out, the whole thing can be sent to the trash heap.

The democrats are not thinking one move ahead - typical of liars, who never think about what happens when the truth comes out.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, now that you're here, I've been wanting to ask you about your yacht. Is it a four or six cylinder? Does it have power steering? How many miles do you get on a set of propellers? Most importantly, did it come with a bathtub? Thanks.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

12BB, I would be satisfied if just Noacoler and Drindl would jump from a tall building.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 7:34 PM
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Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you sure? The trouble with those two is that they are not the most cooperative guys I've ever met. I'll bet they would NOT hold hands, and only one would yell geranimo, and they'd probably both wear parachutes, and they'd make faces into the windows on the way down.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

EXCUSE me, Jake AND 37th care about Byrd. Now there's a distinction without a difference.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Now, our part to avoid revolution: If we liberals would just agree to join hands, shout geronimo and jump from a tall building ...

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 6:35 PM


12BB, I would be satisfied if just Noacoler and Drindl would jump from a tall building.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

I think all that the Republicans have to do is capture the House in November - then refuse to fund any part of the health care bill - that will halt it.

Then when Obama is out, the whole thing can be sent to the trash heap.

The democrats are not thinking one move ahead - typical of liars, who never think about what happens when the truth comes out.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

More Tea Party related news: Today in San Francisco, about a hundred gun toting folks fanned out over the beach. Freaked everyone out--police showed up & searched them. Guns were not loaded. Same folks as the ones trying to go to California Pizza. WTF is up with these people?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

All the democrats want to bring up race.


But it is the democratic party that is responsible for the worst racial abuses.

And the attitude is "we have changed - your party hasn't changed enough" is silly.

The democratic party should apologize for all the lynchings, all the KKK burnings, all the Jim Crow laws -


The democrats should apologize for all the filibusters - aimed at the civil rights laws.

Your positions are silly.

The democrats are the ones who are guilty.

AND Obama fits right in - going to that RACIST CHURCH.

AND BRINGING HIS CHILDREN TO A RACIST CHURCH.


You still want to say that everyone else has "hidden racist motives?"

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I "care" about Sen. Byrd (D-WV) opposing reconciliation re: Obamacare (which is why I've pointed out his same opposition re: Hillarycare in 1993 ; )

Just ignore them, 37th.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


It's Byrd's rule - reconciliation.

So what are you talking about.

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You guys spend so much time trying to find "hidden racist motives."

Well - take a look at Byrd - the democrats and the KKK used to get together and practiced state terrorism against the blacks.


There were lynchings - quite different from "hidden racist motives."

It is interesting that all you are concerned about is "hidden racist motives."


When the democratic party is responsible for all the Jim Crow laws - and the democrats are responsible for teaming up with the KKK to lynch blacks.


AND the democrats never wanted to arrest ANYONE for the lynchings.

Quite a difference in severity, don't you think ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

37th:

I think all this talk about reconciliation is bluster. The real danger is the House bribing / twisting arms to pass the Senate version. Then our last chance is to file enough lawsuits to delay implementation until we can vote the Dems out.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Ok, 37th, Byrd is SO complicated. Do you really think someone on this blog cares about Byrd one way or the other? You are probably the only one who does.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse


Politico writes:

Byrd was an original author of the 1974 reconciliation rules, which allowed Congress to make tough tax and spending decisions through a simple majority. But once the Senate began using the rule to get around the chamber’s supermajority rules and make extraneous policy changes, Byrd reined in the excesses with the “Byrd rule,” which required every element of a reconciliation bill to have a direct impact on the federal budget.


In March 2009, Byrd wrote in The Washington Post that passing health care reform through reconciliation is “an outrage that must be resisted.”

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Byrd used to be a member of the KKK - when it was pretty standard for people seeking democratic nominations to join the KKK - and work hand-in-hand with them to terrorize blacks.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

even though they're holding their breaths until they turn orange. OK, Boehner is, anyway.
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Bwhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just spotted this.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse


The Republicans are going to take control of the HOUSE -


THEN IT IS PAY-BACK TIME.


WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Obama should start to think about next year

Or is Obama simply going to release the file from the Health Department in Hawaii - AND FLY BACK TO INDONESIA

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm popping blood vessels in my eye sez Noacoler.
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Hey, buddy, a REAL American wouldn't just pop one eye, he'd pop BOTH eyes to say "oh, you're right, republicans, we won the election because EVERYONE knows that REALLY means that the republicans get to run the country. My bad." [much kowtowing at this point]

Then, we'd all stuff rags into our mouths and when Boehner says something, we pull out the rags, and say "yassuh", then stuff the rags back. [much kowtowing at this point]

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

@12BarBlues: you're SO right.  I'm popping blood vessels in my eye because Obama hasn't bee bipartisan enough with Republicans.  Here we are a year into his administration and STILL the GOP hasn't gotten all its demands met, even though they're holding their breaths until they turn orange.  OK, Boehner is, anyway.


Obama came to office promising to END POLITICS AS USUAL yet there it is still going on.  We STILL have the Senate and the House, STILL sitting in Warshington STILL talking, and if that isn't politics as usual, WHAT IS???

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I'm so mad I could fly a plane into an IRS office but I won't because I know there are plenty of real Americans out there ready to do it.


Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go out to the mean packing plant and chill with some real Americans who love their freedom more than some Socialist with a degree.

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END THE PARTISANSHIP!!!  MINORITY RULZ!!!

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You are right - the liberals have a really bad attitude.

Obama is leading you all to a political nightmare.

NOT our fault - all Obama had to do was say to Boehner - OK let's hear your proposal.

If Obama was willing to compromise, a deal could be reached fairly quickly.


It is Obama's problem. The government is NOT broken. CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK THIS WAY.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

@ fellow minions [you know who you are],

We got a bad attitude, did you know that? Cause everyone knows that if NOVEMBER doesn't deliver the government back to the Tea Party, well, they'll load up the Winchesters because something in the Bill of Rights or Constitution or federalist papers or Webster's dictionary says they GOT to have a revolution.

Now, our part to avoid revolution: If we liberals would just agree to join hands, shout geronimo and jump from a tall building [after changing our wills to leave our money to conservatives], and let the REAL AMERICANS just run the country, because, doncha know, they are on God's side, or God's on their side, or they're on Mt. Rushmore, or something like that.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

agreed, Mark. I was actually surprised how well USA was able to hold off the relentless Canadian attack. Miller gets his credit, but there were some great blocks by the defensemen.

But a hell of an end to the 2010 games.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 28, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama has continued to fund ACORN even though ACORN's funding has been cut off by Congress.


Well, well well.

That is grounds for IMPEACHMENT.


Next year is going to be fun.


Obama's attitude that he is going to "jam everything through" is going to come back to haunt him.

Obama knows he has to work with other people - he even spent two years running around the country telling everyone that he was better at it than anyone.

Obama's job performance has been poor - even worse when one compares his performance to Obama's campaign rhetoric, which any rational person thought was a crock at the time.


The democrats on this blog are delusional - we all know that because instead of debating the issues, they go off on different topics and they harrass other posters.


Some defense, it is pathetic.

Impeachment is the solution to Obama's bad attitude.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd, that was one great hockey game.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 28, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

All the talk from the democrats on the board about violence is quite a joke.

First, you wouldn't have to even think about that if your side was working with everyone.

Instead, the democrats refuse to compromise AND they have a bad attitude on top of it.


Now, their bad attitude leads to fear - irrational at that.

No one has to do anything violent - you know why? WE HAVE AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.


You guys are a bunch of morons.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh look. 37thandPissJug is awake again. Have a nice nap on the keyboard? Does you cheek look like a waffle iron from the keycaps? Got a carton of Dinty Moore to keep you going through another round of repeats?

Now paste some more unhinged junk so zouk can say that the blog is "soaring."

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to come to regret the lecture he gave everyone on Thursday - it turned out to be one big waste of time.

Obama was the one who was refusing to compromise.


The country knows this - Obama thinks he is fooling the country AGAIN.

You see - the country thought they were genuine in 2008 - let's give this guy a chance.

Obama saw the election as an opportunity to lie and fool the American People.

Quite a difference, huh?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2


I don't see how Nancy can put Stupak aside - she had them on the last health care vote because the Stupak Amendment was included.


Now, Obama and the Senate has thrown the Stupak Amendment to the side.

So how many votes do you think Nancy has? I would guess it's somewhere below 200 - and it could be below 180.

In fact, many moderate democrats are probably looking for the opportunit to vote AGAINST the health care bill.

The democrats were really stupid to try to include the abortion issue in health care - why make their task more difficult?


It is just another reason to doubt that Obama has any idea what he is doing - many of these wounds are self-inflicted.

The Republicans are going to take control of the HOUSE -

THEN IT IS PAY-BACK TIME.

WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2


I don't see how Nancy can put Stupak aside - she had them on the last health care vote because the Stupak Amendment was included.


Now, Obama and the Senate has thrown the Stupak Amendment to the side.

So how many votes do you think Nancy has? I would guess it's somewhere below 200 - and it could be below 180.

In fact, many moderate democrats are probably looking for the opportunit to vote AGAINST the health care bill.

The democrats were really stupid to try to include the abortion issue in health care - why make their task more difficult?


It is just another reason to doubt that Obama has any idea what he is doing - many of these wounds are self-inflicted.

The Republicans are going to take control of the HOUSE -

THEN IT IS PAY-BACK TIME.

WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, Americans tie with just seconds remaining in regulation!

Posted by: DDAWD | February 28, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I've heard everything now. Radio commercial just heard: tout for symbol CHNG, which is a red chip Chinese company, along with earnings projections[!], quotes from company officers and general touting of the stock.

Have I missed something? Since when is it even legal to run ads touting individual equities?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

37th:

Pelosi is trying anything to discount Stupak and pro-life Dems, hoping she doesn't need their votes.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks was right, zouk, you're funny

just incidentally, not because you're trying to be

at least when the other mumblers come back to the ward from weekend passes you can tell them how much you hate them

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

If God found a way to ensure that you would have no legacy , would you be an angry liberal misfit?

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

@Suzy,

Maybe you don't know who McCarthy was. The rest of the paragraph makes total sense. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 5:10 PM

12BB, thanks. I'll educate myself and read about him. I guess I'm not old enough for some of this stuff. But it's still fun.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If you were bald would you shave to "hide" it?

If you were a stutterer would you type all day?

If you were a mediocre failure, would you move elsewhere and convince yourself it was the greatest place on earth?

If you were envious of success, would you bash anyone elses as unfair.

If humans couldn't stand you would you overdo it with animals more your intellectual speed?

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The Republcans think they are being so smart by attempting to jam-up everything this year.


But the Republicans aren't thinking about next year.


Next year, the GOP has to work with the Democrats - so it isn't wise to try the power-play against them this year.


I don't know if the Republicans could have pursued a dumber course of action over the past year - they have destroyed their little advantage and are only headed lower.


What is worse - the Republicans have signaled that they want to play hard-ball with every advantage available to them - THAT ONLY MAKES IT FAIR GAME FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO DO THE SAME TO THE REPUBLICANS NEXT YEAR.

The Republicans are being really stupid.

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I find it amazing how everything 37th sees is really a crazy reflection

in

a

DIM

MIRROR


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Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 28, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

@Suzy,

Maybe you don't know who McCarthy was. The rest of the paragraph makes total sense. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I read Rich's column and I am old enough to recall when otherwise decent Rs were cowed into silence by Joe McCarthy - for about seven years. The Rs who played with fire then did not get burned when Joe was turned upon by the American people. I think the Rs who play with the insurrectionists now are gambling they will survive when the calls to secede or nullify or to shatter federal office buildings are again distant thunder. Those select Rs will probably get away with it.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 28, 2010 4:47 PM


How many times does one have to read this paragraph before it's understandable. Like, what????

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

George Will may not be a Christian (okay, there's one good thing about him) but he certainly isn't an atheist. His talk about markets is as brazenly religious as anything could be.

No matter. Palin wouldn't do any better than Mondale. When people decide someone is too dimwitted for the job, nothing can ever change that.

Cillizza is hitting the glass dick if he thinks she can build credibility.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

heck of a hockey game going on.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 28, 2010 4:30 PM


Is it the same team that MSNBC switched to in the middle of obama's health care summit?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2

Relax - it is not that bad - The Republicans can take the House this fall - and the election is only 8 months from now.

So you can relax.

Remember when Republicans take the House, they can simply refuse to fund Obama's health care bill - effectively halting its implementation. They can probably restore the abortion laws if they are changed somehow.


At this point Stupak may have 30-40 votes - however he can definitely count on 15.

So what does that mean? It means that the Senate bill is dead in the House. Nancy does not have the 218 that she had before.


Believe it or not, the democrats this week were mentioning 60 days - perhaps thinking that they might have to extend that until Murtha's replacement is in place.

There is nother special election in May - it escapes me what the details are.

This is one reason why Nancy wants the Senate to go first - there are serious hurdles in the House.

I just think that the moderate democrats are going to band together in a group of let's say - 20 - outside of Stupak's group - and just go in and tell Steny and Nancy that the numbers are not there.

I would not want to vote for this disaster again - with the election so close.


I'M SORRY - BUT WHAT A BILL - IF THE DEMOCRATS CAN NOT VOTE FOR THE BILL ONE WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION - THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS VOTING FOR IT AT ALL - THEY SHOULD BE WILLING TO STAND BY THEIR VOTE - CLOSE TO THE ELECTION.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Palin continues to be the most difficult person to rank on the Line. If the Line detailed the most influential conservative leaders in the country, she would clearly be number one -- as demonstrated by the hero's welcome she received during her keynote address at the national Tea Party convention earlier this month. But, Palin lacks real influence within the Republican establishment -- she probably likes it that way -- that makes it difficult to rank her any higher. Palin's inner political circle remains very much a work in progress but those that are closest to her at the moment are far from household names in Washington who would help her build credibility and influence inside Washington. (Previous ranking: 1)"

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Founders of our country:

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, JakeD#, John Adams, James Madison

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2


Im sure Nancy Pelosi is a nice woman - however the politics are off the wall - coming from San Francisco no less.


Nancy even said today that the Tea Partiers could be swung to her side.

The democrats really don't understand the tea party movement - they just don't.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I am struck by CC's assertion in #6:

"...his decision to vote for the jobs bill earlier this week led to a flood of Republican support that took a bill on the verge of failing to a convincing passage."

CC linked to Ben Pershing's WaPo blog but it did not support the cause and effect assertion. 1 - 1= 0.
I conclude that there was no evidence that Brown caused Snowe and Collins and Voinovich to follow Brown. I repeat that Sen. Brown is flavor du jour, IMHO, and not a leading edge R.
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I read Milbank's column cited by some here. I enjoy snark as much as the next guy, but Milbank and Big Red at the NYT are just sophomoric, don't you agree?
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I will be voting in the R Primary Tuesday for KBH and for the non-creationist candidate for TX School Board from my district and for several judges. Medina has thrown her lot in with the creationists, and Goodhair is unduly deferential to them. I see libertarians and creationists as a strange, unworkable mix.

I read Rich's column and I am old enough to recall when otherwise decent Rs were cowed into silence by Joe McCarthy - for about seven years. The Rs who played with fire then did not get burned when Joe was turned upon by the American people. I think the Rs who play with the insurrectionists now are gambling they will survive when the calls to secede or nullify or to shatter federal office buildings are again distant thunder. Those select Rs will probably get away with it.

I will remember that they advocated violence against institutions they were trying to be elected to, or were integrally tied to, and if I remember that, so will their opponents, who will have video clips of these calls to violence available to split screen with footage subtitled from the original Arabic, or from the German, or from the Russian.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 28, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Just to be fair about things, here are my two favorite photos of John Kerry and George Bush. In the first photo, John shows us why he lost the election. In the second photo, George shows us how to look presidential, even during an awkward moment.


http://stillfootball.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/kerry-football1.jpg

http://208.106.250.72/_media/imgs/articles2/a96945_a586_11-wrong-side.jpg


Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

George Will is an atheist. All things are possible for those who love God and are called to His purposes.

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yeah your imaginary playmate will fix the election for you.

YOU are NUTS.

Neurotransmitter addiction is a terrible thing.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

37th:

The casualties from another Civil War will be just as bad (if not worse). But, we can only be pushed so far. If our tax dollars are going to be used to fund abortions via Obamacare, that's where I will finally draw the line -- hopefully Stupak and other join the fight -- I swore an oath to protect this nation, from enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC, and I will do so:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them . . ."

I hope and pray that it does not come to that, but if it does, we will be ready. You've seen me quote the line about our Constitution not being a suicide pact. The related corollary to that is that the Declaration of Independence most certainly is, "with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone read clothing labels? I do. Look at this one used by an American company that sells its clothes in France. The last two lines are the most important.
It's translated if you didn't take French in High School.

http://208.106.250.72/_media/imgs/articles/a94_w4.jpg

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 28, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

If Gov. Palin decides to challenge Obama next year, there won't be any need for a (violent) Civil War, at least not from the TEA Party side of the aisle.

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with 3/4 of the voters having decided that "Gov." Palin is unfit for the job, you're not even daydreaming, you're as nutty as Moonbat.

And the challenge would be in 2012, not next year.

You remain the Fix Dunce, troll.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 4:27 PM
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So, is Jake saying that UNLESS Palin runs, the TPers are going to start a civil war? Sounds like a threat to the GOP. Anybody from the GOP here?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

George Will is an atheist. All things are possible for those who love God and are called to His purposes.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

heck of a hockey game going on.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 28, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign noa's post at 4:08pm. Way too much time has been spent by the MSM on coverage of the teabaggers. IMO, they are just another racial proxy movement (see, e.g., birthers). Tiresome, violent, and silly.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If Gov. Palin decides to challenge Obama next year, there won't be any need for a (violent) Civil War, at least not from the TEA Party side of the aisle.

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with 3/4 of the voters having decided that "Gov." Palin is unfit for the job, you're not even daydreaming, you're as nutty as Moonbat.

And the challenge would be in 2012, not next year.

You remain the Fix Dunce, troll.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@broadway,

What am I missing? Medina is running 20-30 points behind Perry and 10+ points behind Hutchison. The much quoted (around here) Rasmussen poll has her at 16 and Perry at 48 taken 2/23. How can anyone but Medina think this is close? The election is Tuesday, isn't it?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

37th:

Did you hear Pelosi actually claim that "bipartisanship legislation" can still be passed even with no bipartisan votes? LOL!!!

Up is down in D.C.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama thinks he is being so smart by attempting to jam through everything this year.


But Obama isn't thinking about next year.

Next year, Obama has to work with the Republicans - so it isn't wise to try the power-play against them this year.

I don't know if Obama could have pursued a dumber course of action over the past year - he has destroyed his advantage and is only headed lower.

What is worse - Obama has signaled that he wants to play hard-ball with every advantage available to him - THAT ONLY MAKES IT FAIR GAME FOR THE REPUBLICANS TO DO THE SAME TO OBAMA NEXT YEAR.

Obama is being really stupid.

Impeachment is probably in order here - there is a new book out - about the "Code" in baseball - how actions outside the "Code" invites retailation.


Well, Obama and the democrats have been operating outside the "Code" for some time - and next year will be the time for "pay-back"


It pretty much started when all the democrats said "Bush lied" - when in fact the only person who ACTUALLY SAID that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was Bill Clinton.

Anyway - the Obama and the democrats are just emphasizing right now what a bunch of complete idiots they are.


Look at this blog........ if you want to hear what the democrats in the White House are actually like.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

According to conservative icon George Will, President 44 will win "44 states" if Mrs. Todd Palin runs against him in 2012!

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

An entertaining blast from the past:

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As some loyal readers have no doubt already noticed, comment registration has returned to The Fix.

What does that mean for Fixistas?

Simply that, before you comment on The Fix, you must sign on to the Post website using your own username and password. Once you do that easy task, you are free to comment away at any and every Fix post.

The return of registration will, hopefully, bring a renewed level of civility to the dialogue on the blog. Registration should weed out the vast majority of spam posters and those simply hoping to distract or detract from the ongoing conversation.

The rest is up to you. Politics evokes much passion and rightly so. But, let's set an example for the rest of the blogosphere here on The Fix that you can disagree without being disagreeable.

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Posted by: JakeD3 | February 28, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

While Frank Rich is exposing the teabaggers, others are glorifying these (IMO) sociopaths. An excerpt from a piece(linked to by Drudge) about Texas teabagger Debra Medina:

"On the right of US politics, this is big stuff. Instead of forcing mainstream Republicans to woo them for their votes, the rightwingers are now bidding for power. It is an attempt at revolution that could have huge meaning for America and the world, especially given the disastrous showing of Democrats in recent polls and elections. Medina knows this. After her speech she ended with a plea to her audience. "We can win this race," she said, then held up her hand and squeezed two fingers together. "It is this close.""

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/28/tea-party-debra-medina-texas

Scary...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If Gov. Palin decides to challenge Obama next year, there won't be any need for a (violent) Civil War, at least not from the TEA Party side of the aisle.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Man - the group-speak delusion is really apparent on this board.

The democrats really do not know what is going on around them do they ?

This year, the Republicans are taking control of the House - that means ONE DOLLAR going to ACORN outside the law is going to result in OBAMA BEING IMPEACHED.

The money going to Acorn is a scandal. They have been cut off -

IF the democrats do end up passing some form of health care legislation, the Republicans have all sorts of avenues available to cut off funding next year - so it will be halted.

The ONLY way to get a major piece of legislation in place is through BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT - (which is what Obama promised the nation.)

Obama has only himself to blame.

It is OVER -

If Obama continues with these games, it will only result in his IMPEACHMENT.


Get it ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Looks like moonbat's hospitalization might have a psychotic basis in addition to the emotional disturbances we see here every day.

Political violence in the USA is right-wing violence to all but the most careful scholars. The Weathermen blew up a post office. I can't think of a single other.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Tea. Earl Grey. Hot. With gin.

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 28, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Typing on a real keyboard this time .. sorry for all the typos.
A lot of us have been talking about this for a long time.  Like a tumor growing on a major organ, the radical right of the GOP has been pulling more nutrients from the core, more every year, and with the added outrage of a nonwhite president the tumor is now on the same scale as the body itself, which is weakened and immobile.  All they can do is hinder progress, it's not incidental that the GOP has no ideas of its own anymore, which is why Contract Parte Deux is nothing but a joke.

It's called a "schism."  The TPers have become for the GOP what the settlers are in Israel, a minority that gets to call the shots because everyone's afraid of them.  I hadn't realized until the Rich column how enraged they are at the GOP, much though the GOP would like to co-opt them along with the fundamentalists and the free-market zombies.  They don't have the numbers to win an election except maybe in Idaho or some small towns but they have the Republicans worried enough to try to pander to them.

I wouldn't call them libertarians.  They're even nuttier than the libertarians and that's saying a lot.  Ron Paul will get some attention because he's a simpleton like they are and simple ideas resonate with simpleminded people.  In fact I don't see any real political coherence in the TP.  They're a reaction, a racist proxy more than anything (see any black faces in those crowds?), and rage isn't a platform.

I'm sticking with my neurotransmitter take on this crap.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

there he is, howlin at the moon again...

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

MM, that was JakeD3 (the anti-Jake), not Troll Hall of Fame inductee JakeD/D2. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

If only some kook would do something stupid that could somehow be construed as eminating from the right ( instead of the leftist gatherings that usually originate the violent actions).

Then all the libs could crow about the opposition instead of the record of ineptitude and failure they have racked up but prefer to ignore.

If dems have to run on their own record, not a one will win.

I understand your desire to change the subject from lack of leadership and legislative anarchy, but at what cost loons?

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Jake, are you drinking?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 28, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

@drindl,

If you are right about TPers staying home if Romney is the GOP nominee, we have just looked at the future. The GOP has always chosen the nominee based on "seniority", so Romney is next up. If the GOP base stays home, the GOP cannot win, no way, no how.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

' Violence is primarily for the young, I think.'

I don't know. I used to live in the Catskill Mts., only 100 and some miles north of NYC and it had a very active militia movement, and a lot of these guys were older, and extremely radical and I would not have put much beyond them. And look at the assasin at the Holocaust Museum -- he was almost 90, I think.

If there's enough rage, age is almost irrelevant.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. The militias do have a lot of old vets, who are mad as hell. Those guys really are dangerous--they are armed, touchy and just looking for a reason to pull the gun. If these guys get organized enough to step off the ole home place, they would be violent.

I'm talking about the townie TP'ers of a certain age. I think these folks are big into talkin', but they're way more interested in the talk than the walk. They're the kind who have a rifle maybe, but it's in the gunsafe to keep it away from the grandchildren. I think a lot of the townies were previously solid citizens who are now susceptible to fear, are afraid of the strange-looking President, and have suddenly realized that no one has been listening to them.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Annoye lees?

Drank sleepchercl.

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 28, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

' Violence is primarily for the young, I think.'

I don't know. I used to live in the Catskill Mts., only 100 and some miles north of NYC and it had a very active militia movement, and a lot of these guys were older, and extremely radical and I would not have put much beyond them. And look at the assasin at the Holocaust Museum -- he was almost 90, I think.

If there's enough rage, age is almost irrelevant.

"What will happen to the Tea Party movement if Romney is the GOP candidate?'

I think they will mostly stay home. He's a big mistake for them--too many negatives, too slick.

Rubio is so far out there he's started dredging up the corpse of Terry Shiavo -- do they really think a majority people thought government intervention in a family matter was a good idea?

All these pundits think the TPers are going to 'energize' the GOP. I think they're just going to fracture them and ultimately cost them seats.

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

One barometer of Tea Party power is the Texas race for governor. Perry is running anywhere from 20 points to 30 points ahead of Medina, the Tea Party candidate.

Doesn't tell me the TP'ers really wield power in a very red state.

Medina is even running behind Kay B Hutchison by ten points or more. Looks like knocking off establishment GOP is not going so well.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

What kind of fool would encourage violence directed at government, when they represent and are the most visible part of it?

This summer, when the election will start heating things up -- I predict an outbreak of violence in DC, probably directed at Federal buildings-- as obvious symbols of 'repression.'

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 2:45 PM

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see the flaw?

You're applying rational analysis to people whose while foundation is irrationality. The TPers don't have goals or strategies, they're rage junkies, enjoying the sensation of paranoid fury. Like religiouus loonies who enjoy the sensation of transcendant euphoria. who cares ug it makes sense?

This isn't politics, it's more like neurotransmitter addiction.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

First a disclaimer, the vast number of eligible Republicans won't even bother to go to the polls on the day the Crist-Rubio fiasco will be decided. Don't know which of the two men is more shallow and vapid and devoid of real leadership qualities. And this is not to boost Democrats Meek or Ferre, equally craven and opportunistic political figures.

The point is this whole elaborate game of "electing" US Senators and all the other offices in this country is being played by fewer and fewer people. It takes awhile but most people will recognize a rigged game, and when they figure out the dice are loaded they're out.

Crist and Rubio are poster boys for an era that is over now in the US. The well groomed empty-headed spokesmodel for the people who actually wield power in this country (in their debate the other day, all one fool wanted to talk about was "trust" and the other fool countered with the "God" card). And as this country enters into an existential crisis they will run away like Evan Bayh did the other day in Indiana. That is, in fact, why Crist chose to run for US Senate at all, he sees D.C. as a safer place than the governor's mansion when the tsunami arrives here in Florida. Sink and McCollum are so clueless they actually don't know the next governor will be swept out to sea.

The Florida Legislature is filled with the Crist-Rubio type and so they will all be hiding under their desks during this year's legislative session. Watch the cowards posture and preen about everything except actually closing Florida's gaping budget deficit. Closing the hole would take the courage of taking on the wealthy, their masters, the men who let them have fun playing politics and even give them a credit card to use.

Crist and Rubio symbolize impotence and soon irrelevance.

Posted by: natturner | February 28, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

What kind of fool would encourage violence directed at government, when they represent and are the most visible part of it?

This summer, when the election will start heating things up -- I predict an outbreak of violence in DC, probably directed at Federal buildings-- as obvious symbols of 'repression.'

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 2:45 PM
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The GOP is playing around with the fire that will burn them, that's for sure, but I see Nancy Pelosi playing for Tea Partiers too.

Interesting you focus on federal buildings--yes, that does seem right. This last wacko and McVeigh both did that. However mad the medicare/SS Tea Partiers, I find it hard to see them actually attacking buildings. Violence is primarily for the young, I think.

What will happen to the Tea Party movement if Romney is the GOP candidate? Will they turn out and vote GOP? I don't see the P's (Paul/Palin) as the GOP candidate.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

My sense is, sadly, these folks are thinking "outside the [ballot] box." They likely have a disturbing "Plan B" to gain control.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 2:39 PM
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My crystal ball is pretty cloudy, so I can't say how ready these people are to quit talkin' and start shootin'. Here's a local story: some hundred numbnuts carrying empty guns in holsters strapped to their thighs are taking over various restaurants for lunch & confabs. Some restaurants have banned them. These empty guns ought to go where ppl are REALLY armed and dangerous and trot out in their dockers and golf shirts. You would be able to hear the laughter all across the western US.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

'Frank Rich's column was an excellent analysis of the bind the Tea Party puts the GOP in, an dthe merry chase the Tea Party is leading them on."

Thanks, margaret... i saw that too. Rich is always spot on but this was the best reporting [except for one recent long article, also in the NYT] about the TPers I've seen yet. It's really like deja vu back to the days when Janet Reno had to confront one militia freakzoid group after another, culminating in McViegh's orgy of violence.

That is exactly where we are heading now and it will get much worse before it gets better.

But what the jerkoff republicans who are encouraging these assasination fantasies don't seem to get is that the likes of Lindsay Graham or John McCain are just as likely to be the target as any democrat.

What kind of fool would encourage violence directed at government, when they represent and are the most visible part of it?

This summer, when the election will start heating things up -- I predict an outbreak of violence in DC, probably directed at Federal buildings-- as obvious symbols of 'repression.'

Posted by: drindl | February 28, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The issue is whether these disparate motivations can coalesce. I'm betting not.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 1:59 PM
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My sense is, sadly, these folks are thinking "outside the [ballot] box." They likely have a disturbing "Plan B" to gain control.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If BHO says one more word about "bipartisanship" to folks who stated publicly that they wanted him "to fail" and would not cast a single vote for any initiative he supported, it is unlikely, they say, he can win reelection.
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Bwahahahahaha. Finally, 37th gets his wish that if BHO says ONE more word...[fill in the threat].

Yes, local law enforcement is wary around these militia types because the sheriff is seen as the government. And we talking about places with so few people that everyone knows everyone, including the sheriff. And yet, the militia is ready to shoot him dead if he steps a foot on their land.

Just a little personal story--a very good friend of mine, who I went to high school with, good Catholic girl, has fallen in with one of the quasi religious/militant groups in western MT. I googled the group, and the FBI has them as a known domestic terrorist group and raided their compound years ago after the group bragged about stockpiling weapons and explosives. When I told her that, because she seems more attracted to their religious beliefs, it didn't dissuade her a bit. In fact, she sent me a bunch of propaganda to convert me.

So, I tell her I'm really not interested in joining a domestic terrorist group per FBI. She hasn't spoken to me since.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

@broadwayjoe,

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the anti-government motives of these people. True, some are primarily motivated by racism (didn't rage one bit while Bush was Pres). But, I think there are other ppl with strong anti-government motives and anti-income tax motives. Then, there are the more paranoid types (phones are tapped) and the survivalists (have food stores and caves ready).

The issue is whether these disparate motivations can coalesce. I'm betting not.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

12, we've been out Montana way. My recollection is local law enforcement there generally gives the militia free rein except in extreme cases, and even then, they bring in the feds and don't try to confront them alone.

In addition to the Rich piece that you kindly referred us to, we recommend Fix coworker Dana Milbank's column about BHO's unwillingness to shove back against the crazy opposition. We call it the Jackie Robinson syndrome. Hope the WH realizes BHO is losing his base, we're talking about the hardcore deadenders. If BHO says one more word about "bipartisanship" to folks who stated publicly that they wanted him "to fail" and would not cast a single vote for any initiative he supported, it is unlikely, they say, he can win reelection.

From Milbank today:

"Here in America, however, we can only watch this behavior with envy. Our president is not a bully; in fact, he is the victim of bullying. He is bullied by Republicans on health care. He is bullied by congressional Democrats on everything. He is bullied by his own Cabinet. Dick Cheney pauses in his bullying of Obama only for the occasional heart attack.

Admittedly, the allegations against Brown have only hastened his political decline, and there's no need for Obama to start kicking furniture and throwing BlackBerrys at people, as Brown stands accused of doing. Still, it wouldn't hurt for the occupant of the bully pulpit to show some force of will."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/26/AR2010022604354.html?hpid=opinionsbox1


Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

12, how does the MSM repeatedly ignore these signs of domestic terrorism to dwell on fake DrudgeWorld fake controversies like BHO calling McCain "John," part of the tired BHO-is-uppity narrative. We doubt Rich's story will have a happy ending...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 1:26 PM
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Don't know. My guess is that not many people have seen up close and personal this type of paranoia. I have, but I came from a rural background. I'll bet that people from the east coast have NEVER seen anything the militias and so see them as temporary aberrations.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

12, IMO, this is same crowd we've seen over and over throughout recent history.
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I agree with this, broadway. I was born and raised in Montana. We weren't afraid of criminals--we were afraid of the militias.

We all knew that the militias were a dangerous, crazy bunch and never to pick up a hitchhiker who was armed (I kid you not, people there hitchhike with knives and guns strapped on-I've seen it).

We also learned to avoid following behind a vehicle on the freeway because some crazy sob would think the government was after him and take a shot out the window.

Most of the militias are on the state's west side so when I went to school in Missoula, believe me, I was careful not to get into the crosshairs of some paranoid guy. I recommend the east side of the state--not as pretty--but the folks are genuine ranchers who are not crazy or paranoid or into some survivalism fantasy.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

12, how does the MSM repeatedly ignore these signs of domestic terrorism to dwell on fake DrudgeWorld fake controversies like BHO calling McCain "John," part of the tired BHO-is-uppity narrative. We doubt Rich's story will have a happy ending...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

If the core of the movement is essentially libertarian,....
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Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 11:58 AM"
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12, IMO, this is same crowd we've seen over and over throughout recent history.

Doesn't matter whether they call themselves Dixiecrats, McVeighites, Ron Paulites (the Ron Paul newsletters speak for themselves), secessionists, supremacists, the Brotherhood, Aryan Nation, the militia, the Minutemen, or...the Tea Party. For this crowd, as Rich explains, it's all about hate and violence, and not about cover issues like "anti government" or "tax reform." Think not? Check out Tea Bag Party President Dale Robertson's n-word sign (not subtle).

Rich is one of the few MSM journalists with the courage and integrity to call out this organized pathology.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Is anybody listening?


It seems even with those enormous ears, Messiah can't hear.

Or maybe his singing of his own praises is drowning out everything else.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

@evryone,

I am reading "David Barstow’s chilling, months-long investigation" (linked within Rich's column).

I found myself both appalled and yet in a way, identifying *somewhat* with these TP people. I also believe that government has sold us out to corporate interests. I do not share the impression of impending martial law, guns, survivalism, etc.

The following quote (about an Idaho Tea Party) shows the difficulty of the TP movement being able to wield real power:

"These questions of strategy, direction and leadership were clearly on the minds of Mrs. Stout’s members at a recent monthly meeting.

Their task seemed endless, almost overwhelming, especially with only $517 in their Tea Party bank account. There were rallies against illegal immigration to attend. There was a coming lecture about the hoax of global warming. There were shooting classes to schedule, and tips to share about the right survival food."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

More brilliance from Frank Rich. Incredible.

"Such violent imagery and invective, once largely confined to blogs and talk radio, is now spreading among Republicans in public office or aspiring to it. Last year Michele Bachmann, the redoubtable Tea Party hero and Minnesota congresswoman, set the pace by announcing that she wanted “people in Minnesota armed and dangerous” to oppose Obama administration climate change initiatives. In Texas, the Tea Party favorite for governor, Debra Medina, is positioning herself to the right of the incumbent, Rick Perry — no mean feat given that Perry has suggested that Texas could secede from the union. A state sovereignty zealot, Medina reminded those at a rally that “the tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.” "

Is anybody listening?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar, S2, MM, et al.:

Thanks for the link/reference to the Frank Rich article today on the teabaggers. Incredible analysis of these various hate groups! Can the Post trade anyone to the NYT for Rich?

Rich's is the BEST column I have read since the Post's Gene Robinson's "Where [Rev.] Wright Went Wrong."

The Rich column is a smorgasbord of insight into this subject, literally every paragraph speaks volumes of truth. The following is one of my favorites:

"It is not glib or inaccurate to invoke Oklahoma City in this context, because the acrid stench of 1995 is back in the air. Two days before Stack’s suicide [by crashing plane] mission, The Times published David Barstow’s chilling, months-long investigation of the Tea Party movement. Anyone who was cognizant during the McVeigh firestorm would recognize the old warning signs re-emerging from the mists of history. The Patriot movement. “The New World Order,” with its shadowy conspiracies hatched by the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. Sandpoint, Idaho. White supremacists. Militias."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28rich.html

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When DHS chief Janet Napolitano called out the danger of these organized hate groups awhile back, she was crucified in the MSM. Maybe now JNap's due an apology...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 28, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

So the "geniuses" that dwell here of the loony liberal persuasion spend the entire weekend musing and carping about what a loser you must be to spend the entire weekend here musing and carping.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Ped is up early today. Had to get the "date" home before mommy noticed he was missing?

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Per Rothenberg, here are the pros/cons to the Democrats midterm elections, of using reconciliation:

PROS:
1. Democratic enthusiasm has been a problem at the grass roots (at least compared with the GOP), so a confrontation with Republicans over reconciliation and passage of a reform bill would almost certainly energize Democrats (assuming, of course, that the grass roots were pleased with the final bill). That could close the enthusiasm gap that separates the two parties going into the midterm elections.

2. Passing any health care reform bill could lead to a quick uptick in overall public sentiment, since some of the negativity about Congress and about the direction of the country stems from Washington’s inability to address the nation’s toughest problems.

3. Process issues usually don't matter (i.e. passage by reconciliation)

CONS:

1. “Using reconciliation could reinforce the view that Democrats are trying to pass a flawed bill, so they are having to use an unusual procedure to pass it.”

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

@Jake,

I am pro life, so I also hope that abortion is not funded and I don't think for a minute that it will. However, I would not pick up a gun against my countrymen over it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

As I posted, previously, there will be another Civil War if Obamacare funds abortion (that's not a threat or wish, just a fact). I hope that DOESN'T happen of course.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

OFF topic, but ON our minds:

Politico: "Despite suggesting at Thursday's summit that Republicans should take several weeks to reconsider their opposition to his health care plan, President Barack Obama will announce the next step in passing a bill by mid-week, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters Friday.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The Rich column is excellent. The TP movement does seem both important and ominous. If the core of the movement is essentially libertarian, that is the good news. There are a few hundred years of attempting to install libertarianism in the U.S., and so far, libertarianism has never been tried. Apparently, there are so many libertarian sects, that once someone tries to lead the movement, the movement falls apart.

Now, we can see why no one on this blog expresses interest in any of the GOP leaderboard, except Palin & Paul.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28rich.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"Pasta"?! LOL

Seriously, though, I have condemned Stack as a "murderer" and agree that he was a lone madman, and it would be both glib and inaccurate to call him a card-carrying Tea Partier or a “Tea Party terrorist.”. While I hope and pray there is not another Civil War, it may come to that. The signers of the Declaration of Independence were considered "traitors" and "terrorists" by the British too. Those who win get to write the history books ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Yawn. Zouk doesn't like us. I'm so sad.

Do you have that post assigned to a macro key? You issue it every single day. If you think anyone cares about you immature outlook you should stop spitting out your meds and swallow them instead.

Now do a few thousand more three-letter insults and National Review pasta, LOSER.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

In the end, the group has no credibility and will never hold together.

Democrats?

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

What's ironic is that you guys posted on this thread MORE than "37thand0street" but honestly think that he / she is the one with no life.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 28, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Frank Rich's column was an excellent analysis of the bind the Tea Party puts the GOP in, an dthe merry chase the Tea Party is leading them on.

Tanning Bed Boehner, De Mint and McConnell will kill themselves trying to corral that group. Steele, Ginrich, Romney and Barbour will try to woo them even though that crazy girl scares them. Marginal candidates like Pawlenty and Palin will try to use that hare-brained energy to launch themselves to "force to be reckoned with" position.

In the end, the group has no credibility and will never hold together. The few earnest members will be drowned-out by the lone gun men, the xenophobes, the Rapture Christians, the Ayn Randers, and the no-one-is-the-boss-of-me crowd. How do adults with that mess?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 28, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Wow. You liberals have dragged this blog down to record levels of idiocy. Who said the sum couldn't be less than the hole?

In over two days not one interesting, intelligent post. Typical of the "lives" of the likes of dribbl, ped, baghdad bj et al.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 28, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

CC's man crush on Pawlenty doesn't seem so cute anymore...

"And so — just one day after Stack crashed his plane into the Austin I.R.S. office — the heretofore milquetoast former Minnesota governor, Tim Pawlenty, told the audience to emulate Tiger Woods’s wife and “take a 9-iron and smash the window out of big government in this country.”

Such violent imagery and invective, once largely confined to blogs and talk radio, is now spreading among Republicans in public office or aspiring to it."

Posted by: shrink2 | February 28, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

This is not just on topic, this is the topic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28rich.html

Posted by: shrink2 | February 28, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Trust me 37th nobody wants to live vicariously through you.

You're a mess.

Now hurry up and finish yourself off.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 2:41 AM | Report abuse

You guys are all hilarious - have you posted anything on topic in hours ???

All you do is live vicariously through me.

Ha ha aha haaaaha aaaaahhaaaaaaaaaa


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Yeah but at least drivl (formerly known as king_of_zouk a few banned monikers ago) is being looked after and fed. He has to keep something like normal hours because he's institutionalized.

37th is just rotting somewhere.

RCP sounds like some forums I was on long ago. Not healthy. The one I started on was mixed until some people on it hacked stormfront, got an admin account and briefly took over, enabling the image tag, loaded it up with the most vile fecal porn you ever saw... but later the bigots enlisted in out site en masse and turned it into another racist site. This place isn't a lot better when Jake and leapin get started.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I honestly do think this blog is his whole life, if you can call it that.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 12:05 AM
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He really should go to RealClearPolitics. He'd even get some respect over there. The regulars are arch conservatives, and 37th would stand out for his persistence, if nothing else. Drivl (or whatever he's called) wouldn't last 5 minutes over there because he plagiarizes and they'd spot it in a minute. The regular gang at RCP is headed up by a guy called JoeM. You please him, you're part of the in-crowd.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 28, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

No 12Bar he doesn't keep regular hours. He's probably asleep at the computer, and could wake up at any old irregular time and start right back in. Yesterday hw was in here only about five hours after his last post the night before. I honestly do think this blog is his whole life, if you can call it that.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 28, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I think 37th has worn out for tonight. He can't keep up 24/7 forever even it feels like it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I guess there's a silver lining then. If Cillizza let's him go on posting and it certainly looks that way it's a matter of time before his health follows his brain into the crapper .. scurvy or rickets or maybe a tumor, which he'll ignore until it's too late and a neighbor investigates the smell of rotting flesh one day.

And good riddance.

He'll be all-capping about Obama even while his organs are failing.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse


@drindl: I really wish you would have left off the question about a pet.
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Boy, I hope it wasn't a liberal pet, like a really cute little fluffy dog with big brown eyes. Then 37th could have screamed "its all your fault. You need to remove yourself from this world."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

@drindl: I really wish you would have left off the question about a pet. Because we both know that there is no way in hell that 37th could get it together to care for a living thing. Now I havethis image of a sad little pile of bones and feathers or fur, having starved to death while that f ucking idiot sat at the keyboard pasting the same post into thread after thread.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

My favorite self-writing Palin satire:

"But Mr. Phillips, the founder of Tea Party Nation, the social networking site that sponsored the convention, refused to talk about how much she was paid.

“I’ll simply say this: when you get a speaker of the caliber of Governor Palin, it’s not done on the basis of a handshake,” he said. He added that there had been a confidentiality clause in the contract organizers signed with Ms. Palin. “Contractually I’m not allowed to talk about it,” he said. “I promised I wouldn’t do it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/us/politics/08palin.html

Palin:

"how's that hopey changey thing workin' out fer ya"

yeah, caliber

But she needs to work on her credibility, says Cillizza.

I think turning lead into gold would be a LOT easier.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

37, do you have parents?

siblings?

friends?

children?

any family?

a dog, cat, parrot or christ, i don't know, a boa constrictor?

do you have anything but this?

Posted by: drindl | February 27, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"You should apologize for your existence.

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Posted by: 37thand0street"

well, yes dear, you should. have you yet? what is the point of it? to post on this blog all day long? is that what you call a life?

Posted by: drindl | February 27, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

You all are a bunch of fools - you are all personally responsible for the damage which Obama causes this nation. AND Obama is still insisting on ignoring the economy in favor of his ego trip.

==

yeah a bunch of people making fun of you on a blog are personally responsible for the US economy. Uh huh. Right.

Why didn't you stop doing drugs before you fried your brain? Was it just too much fun? Look at you now, a piss jug next to your keyboard. You could have stopped and gotten help, but no, you just had to reduce yourself to a vegetable.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

The satire really does write itself:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/latest_sarah_palin_speech_opens

Note the quotes. They're all real.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 10:02 PM
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Gosh and golly, she flung out that earthquake at Los Angeles, but doncha know she didn't even know her own god given strength, and threw it way too far south.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

You all are a bunch of fools - you are all personally responsible for the damage which Obama causes this nation. AND Obama is still insisting on ignoring the economy in favor of his ego trip.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

The satire really does write itself:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/latest_sarah_palin_speech_opens

Note the quotes.  They're all real.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

I don't think you could arouse a true believer in any of these folks (exception Palin and Ron Paul) if you ran through here naked. Paul has his followers, that's true, but he won't be the nominee unless the world changes its axis and starts spinning the other way. Palin, in comparison, is more of a possibility, maybe even as the sacrificial lamb. I can't imagine the GOP really views her as a long term asset. They have quite a bench of long term assets, with more promise.

The situation feels so similar to 4 years ago, when everyone was saying McCain or Romney? And most GOP said "yawn".

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Back on topic:

hahahha just kidding, what more could anyone say about this snooze of a story. Good observation 12Bar, not a glimmer of enthusiasm for any of these losers. Yeah the occasional Ron Paul fanatic (shove meat in hopper, turn crank...) and a defiant troll or two, but does anyone think Romney, Palin, or (*chuckle*) Pawlenty us going anywhere?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

You can never be too rich, too thin, or too over the top, dahling

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 27, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Just out, headed back in, who cares. No point sparing him, his brain is fried, nothing is gonna get through anymore. Probably wets himself and doesn't even know it.

I mean, check the times on his posts from the last one in the late night to the first one in the morning. He sleeps at the computer. This guy is *charred*

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

Now, be gentle. He just got out of rehab, so maybe he's sensitive.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Still doing PCP, 37th? Do you get it from a pig ranch? That would explain a lot.

Or was coke your thing?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

See what I mean? There's no end to what animals can learn, is there? I'll bet if you handed him a book, you'd even think he could read. Isn't he cute...quoting history like that?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You should apologize for your existence.


See you persist - You and your friends here are like the KKK on computer.

From 1876 to 1960, the democratic party aligned itself with the KKK to sponser state terrorism against the black people - and if anyone opposed them, a lynching was in order.


The democrats did nothing to stop the lynching.


The democrats approved the suppression of the blacks for decades.


Your hands are dirty. Very dirty - you have no right to criticize anyone for anyone.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

And he's really a chimp (shhhhhh...don't tell anyone).
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I mean, really, DON'T tell anyone. He gets so mad, he just jumps right up on those cute little knuckles of his and screams something that sounds like RACIST. Isn't that cute?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Come ona my house, to myyy house. I'ma gonna giva you caaandy.
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Shhhhhhhhhh...

I hear 37th has a little trouble with addiction and just came back from rehab. And he's really a chimp (shhhhhh...don't tell anyone).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Edith Piaf is too sad. French Letter, the famous chanteuse,could cover Piaf. Filly is upbeat.

Hey, Good lookin', what cha got cooking?

or

Come ona my house, to myyy house. I'ma gonna giva you caaandy.


BB, did I go over the top enough?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 27, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Edith Piaf covers. What else? Sheesh.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

But what would she sing?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 27, 2010 8:42 PM
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I hope you have the answer, because I have obviously lived too sheltered a life.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

She would perform wearing a corset that looks like one of those frilly paper cuffs they used to put on lamb chops, and she'd have a hat that looked like a white saucer full of mint sauce.

Her chorus boys would be roller skating waiters wearing those long white aprons over the skimpiest little g strings we could find. Bare chested, mais oui.

But what would she sing?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 27, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

KOS poll is an honest one irrespective if your worthless opinion of the organization's advocacy, troll. Their results are comparable to Gallup and R2000 and others'. The one you creeps quote is the one whose results come out far away from anyone.

It's Rasmussen that's invalid, as documented by anyone who analyzes polling methods.

Now why don't you go play on the freeway.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Good drag performance name Filly Mignon.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 27, 2010 8:30 PM
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ok, girl, you get the name. I can't top that one! You are the W-O-M-A-N.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Good drag performance name Filly Mignon.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 27, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

hey, I want to be mignon.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse


I have to agree on the point about man on dog sex being a Republican theme. 37th, is that why the Georgetown mascot is a BULLDOG?

That must be really hard on the

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Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 27, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Aye, aye Lt. Noacoler,

Sorry, couldn't find my bifocals. Hell to get old.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I am

already

OVER


THE TOP

.

Instead of being a minion can I be Mignon?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 27, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


The Daily Kos has no validity at all.


It can not be seen as authoritative.

So, when you read the Daily Kos, you are wasting your time.

That is why everyone ignores it, except for you.


Case closed.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

You prove the point that the democratic party is more racist than the Republicans


Easily.


Look at your postings today.

RACIST.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Attention minions:

New plan. Alpha Tango Charlie Echo 475. Set the CRM-114 to OPE repeat OPE. Wing Attack Plan R. Engage.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey 37th-cretin, quit trying to use the language of civilized people. Everyone knows that there isn't a single f ucking Republican in the country who actually objects to racism, any more than a fish objects to water. Just shut up.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

12barblues - execute left!

Broadwayjoe - execute really left!

Drindl - head fake right and then execute left!

Margaretmyers - go over the top!

!!!Execute execute execute!!!

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B

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B

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Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 27, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

@37th,

I gotta say, for a chimp, you really talk pretty well. Is there a chimp/english dictionary, or what? How was rehab? Any problem with the dt's?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Your racism is appalling You should apologize to the world for your existence.

Why don't you go hang out with Rev. Wright ???

And leave the country.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Another RACIST statement at 6:47


do you have any shame ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 6:54 PM
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You're REALLY a chimp???? Honest, I was only joking.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Another RACIST statement at 6:47


do you have any shame ???


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Good night everyone. My boyfriend and I are going out. This place looks interesting. Hope they have Sam Adams.

http://media.weirdworm.com/img/misc/10-weird-beer-facts/religious-beer.jpg


Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Chimps go into rehab drunk--come out talking. Who woulda guessed?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Broad____joe


You are a moron


You talk about Obama and say "education, temperament and experience"

Obama is stupid - he won't release his transcripts - and who cares about where an affirmative action program has put him - over the past year - HE HAS SHOWN NO INTELLIGENCE AT ALL

Obama almost got really really angry at the summit - some temperment - When Boehner was speaking, Obama looked so mad it was almost as if he was about to bite Biden's head off.

Experience? Obama has no experience - and this year has it has showed.


Broadwayjoe - get off the internet - you keep on typing this garbage which has nothing to do with reality.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You owe the world an apology for your blatant RACISM AND HYPOCRISY.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Alert. Alert. 37th has escaped from rehab. Lock up your booze. Suzy--lock up your dog.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 6:21 PM

Thanks for the warning, but the only one my dog is afraid of is Noacoler. Did he escape too?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You are a horrible RACIST Have you no shame ???

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Alert. Alert. 37th has escaped from rehab. Lock up your booze. Suzy--lock up your dog.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Your comment at 5:24 is RACIST -


How in the world can you be such a HYPOCRITE.


What is wrong with you - and to think, some people said we were entering a post-racial era.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement"

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100226/NEWS0204/2260321/23-000-now-expected-to-lose-jobs-after-shuttle-retirement

Yep, way to go obama. Jobs for America.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

obama has dug himself into a health-care hole so deep that it would take a rocket ship just to reach daylight.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I really miss Tom Tancredo. He would be a good VP pick.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

What is it with conservatives and man-on-dog sex? Seems to be a preoccupation. I don't get it.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

A prayer answered, only one step less joyous than giving it to the tramp.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 6:02 PM

The tramp? I didn't know obama was a republican. Did he switch, or is he bi?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Of all the squalid and lackluster choices, Romney is the only one likely to actually get the nomination. A prayer answered, only one step less joyous than giving it to the tramp.

Just imagine how plastic and phony Romney would be after eight months on the news every day. With his Glenn Beck routines, his "touch of gray" dye job, his record of opportune reversals and pandering.

No wonder the goobs daydream about an assassination. Little League going against the pros

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

What kind of "boyfriiend" would be attacted to a beehive beey0tch? I call troll.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

My thanks to Senator Jim Bunning for putting a halt to the unemployment benefits extension. Unemployment benefits have become the democrats' path to creating a new extended welfare program. This country need jobs, not welfare.

==

stupid troll eat sh|t and die

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 5:14 PM


Noacoler, there are signs you were in the neighborhood last night. All the trash is missing and several neighbors reported that their dogs are pregnant.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Alert. Alert. 37th has been spotted and sent away. This explains A LOT.

"Beer-drinking, smoking chimp sent to rehab
The former performer reportedly pesters passers-by for booze"

By Tanya Ustinova and Amie Ferris-Rotman

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

My thanks to Senator Jim Bunning for putting a halt to the unemployment benefits extension. Unemployment benefits have become the democrats' path to creating a new extended welfare program. This country need jobs, not welfare.

==

stupid troll eat sh|t and die

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

My thanks to Senator Jim Bunning for putting a halt to the unemployment benefits extension. Unemployment benefits have become the democrats' path to creating a new extended welfare program. This country need jobs, not welfare.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Mr Cillizza listed Romney as number one. Romney's people are the ones who engineered the Scott Brown victory in Mass. Romney is the shoe-in for the 2012 republican ticket. Miss Palin won't run, but she can't say that right now. I notice that neither she or Mitt have ever said anything bad about each other. They may have some kind of secret agreement to ensure Mitt gets the nod in 2012.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Excerpt from Jeffrey Rosen's WashPo piece suggesting BHO should appoint himself to the SCOTUS:

"Think about it. Though Obama has struggled to find his footing in the White House, his education, temperament and experience make him ideally suited to lead the liberal wing of the court, especially at a time when a narrow conservative majority seems increasingly intent on challenging progressive economic reforms for the first time since the New Deal. Obama is clearly eager to take on the four truly conservative justices -- Samuel Alito, John Roberts, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas -- as his State of the Union smackdown suggests. But as president, he's constrained by that pesky separation of powers. So what better way to engage the fight than to join the bench? "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/18/AR2010021803275.html?hpid=opinionsbox1⊂=AR&sid=ST2010021803374

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Getting back on topic. I wish Mr Cillizza would stop doing articles about Sarah Palin. My boyfriend thinks she’s hot and every time he comes over, he uses my PC to search “mature women” web sites for naked pictures of her. He insists that Levi has some and will post them any day. I wouldn’t mind so much, but I get a virus on my PC every time he does this. So far, the Geek Squad has been here three times to remove the virus. What’s worse is that they keep sending this fat guy. Whenever he stoops down to work on my PC, his shirt tail pulls out the back of his pants and his buttcrack hangs out. Gross!

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Daniels' imm. position doesn't look too good. Even with massive unemployment in his state, he wasn't enthused about cracking down on companies that employ illegal workers:

http://24ahead.com/n/9831

A commenter compares him to Dubya on this issue, and that's obviously not a good thing.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | February 27, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

@Cup: Impressed by the check mark. How did you do that?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 3:54 PM

broadwayjoe, are these impressive?

♪ ♫ ♩ ♬

or these, maybe?

☼ ☀ ☁ ☂ ☃ ☄

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

@Cup: Impressed by the check mark. How did you do that?
________

Re BHO/ At ground zero, there may also be a Plan B: installing HRC as VP in THIS term to play a Cheney-type, take-no-prisoners role. HillaryWorld and HRC's enormous government-in-exile would come to the rescue in this scenario.

Again, this could just be wind but it's coming from BHO hardcore deadender supporters at ground zero.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

My boyfriend said I should post some obama jokes. That wouldn't work, I said. The liberals don't think they're funny and the conservatives don't think they're jokes. Dilemma.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

We see Carville, Begala, and Stephanopoulos at the train station waiting for the Noon train. They say a 5' 3" blonde in a pants suit is arriving.

Developing...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 3:40 PM
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Sisters, heads up!! Don your pantsuits. Get ready.......

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse


just one more for 'small government'

'Yesterday, TPM’s Eric Kleefeld noted that the gloves were coming off in the Florida GOP Senate primary. Orlando Sentinel columnist Mike Thomas provided a prime example of this yesterday when he reported that former Florida House Speaker Marco Rubio had issued a release “whacking Charlie Crist for not being tough on social issues like abortion,” in which he invoked the infamous case of Terri Schiavo:

Marco Rubio’s campaign has put out a new release, whacking Charlie Crist for not being tough on social issues like abortion.

The release includes this mention of the Terri Schiavo case, “Crist also received criticism on the Terri Schiavo debate about where he really stood on a Congressional bill that would have let Terri’s parents take their lawsuit to save her life to federal courts.”

Thomas interprets the release as evidence that Rubio “seems to favor government intervention in this case.” According to a Nexis search, Rubio hasn’t explicitly commented on the Schiavo incident, in which conservatives brought a personal tragedy to national attention in 2005 to energize their pro-life base. The GOP tried to write legislation forcing doctors to reinsert Schiavo’s feeding tube and taking the “extraordinary step” of subpoenaing the critically brain-damaged woman to testify to Congress. '

So Rubio is the kind of guy who would subpoena a dead woman to testify? Brilliant... just what Florida needs right now.

Posted by: drindl | February 27, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Here at ground zero, some of BHO hardcore deadender supporters are quietly and privately suggesting that BHO NOT run for reelection and let Hillary Rodham Clinton run in his place.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 3:40 PM


Very appropriate - you're at ground zero. obama is at square one.

Developing...
But don't hold your breath.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

the pole dancer just arrived... time to jam the exits.

Posted by: drindl | February 27, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Congressman Louise Slaughter is accepting donations of used dentures. ACORN has agreed to collect them. Noacoler, here's your chance to help society.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Disturbing. Shocking.

This may just be wind but...

Here at ground zero, some of BHO hardcore deadender supporters are quietly and privately suggesting that BHO NOT run for reelection and let Hillary Rodham Clinton run in his place.

The thinking is BHO, for whatever reason, has not been able to push back effectively against the opposition (GOP, teabaggers) and implement HIS agenda (closing Gitmo, HCR, withdraw US military from the Middle East), and has wasted valuable time reaching out for bipartisanship. They believe he has used the enormous political capital he had in January 2009 (70 approval) on tiresome olive branches to the opposition, which has publicly spit on them.

In their view, BHO's communications and political teams are illsuited for the governing (however good they may have been in getting him elected). For instance, they say it is inconceivable HRC would have allowed Cheney to plummel her in mainstream media with any nuclear response.

This is apparently why folks are suddenly floating ideas in the mainstream media such as BHO appointing himself to the Supreme Court. It's not a coincidence. They don't want BHO to get primaried (if he is, he probably loses); if BHO does not run, the coast will be clear for HRC to unleash her unmatched fearsome, pants-suited, grievance-fueled fury on the obstructionist opposition.
___________

We see Carville, Begala, and Stephanopoulos at the train station waiting for the Noon train. They say a 5' 3" blonde in a pants suit is arriving.

Developing...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Great take on the unqiue challenges facing the 44th President of the United States from a Dailykos poster:

Case closed.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 3:07 PM


Not so fast. obama was in the toilet all last year. This year he is circling the drain. In November - flush!!

Case closed. ✓ Check

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 27, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I just loved hor McCain seethed at being called John, you just know he wanted to call Obama boy

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

'All of you are working together, in some windowless room '

yes, 37 -- you found us out. it's the War Room, there are maps and charts and projections and it's all devoted to spying on YOU..

Posted by: drindl | February 27, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Great take on the unqiue challenges facing the 44th President of the United States from a Dailykos poster:

"It's been 13 months now, and in the eyes of so many, Barack Obama is still that one. He is being disrespected and at the same time being held to the highest standard of any president I've ever seen – and not just by the Republican side. He has to perform three times better than any president in history, and even that may not be enough.

For the media, he is many more times just "Obama" than "President Obama". They create scandals out of nothing issues. It took them at least 6 years to start giving Bush a small part of the sh-t he deserved. It took them 6 months to begin cr@p all over Obama because he's yet to fix the catastrophe that was left for him.

They use condescending tone when they talk about him, and only mildly less condescending when they talk TO him. With anyone else, CNN wouldn't dare go to commercials every time the president speaks, like they did during that summit on Thursday. They wouldn't dare counting how many minutes George Bush or Bill Clinton were talking. Chris Mathews wouldn't dare making an issue out of Ronald Re[a]gan calling members of congress by their first name, like he is not actually the fr----king president. They fully cooperate with the Right-Wing smear machine when it comes to president Obama's national security performance – even if almost every independent and military expert actually thinks that he's a terrific Commander in Chief. You'll never see them on TV, and virtually no one from the Left, in congress and outside, defend the president on this matter."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/27/841263/-The-arrogance-of-being-president-while-being-black

Case closed.


Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

@noa et al,

37th is peeking out his basement window, looking for all of us marching, marching, marching into his secure and undisclosed location. And at the head of our parade is Luca Brasi, carrying gag and leetle wire in his big red Luca hands. Left..right..left..right..left....

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

@37: that's rich coming from someone shares with JakeD/D2 the record for most consecutive posts on this blog without any intervening posts from anyone else.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

@noa et al,

I was hoping the 37th head exploded when Obama said ONE word too MUCH and then our country was DESTROYED, doncha know?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah zouk so much better when it's all 37th, armpeg, and leapin, huh?

Nothing keeping you here, is there, nutcheck?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse


Broad____joe, 12barblues and your pals


All of you are working together, in some windowless room - or exchanging emails amongst yourself.


So, you haven't fooled anyone by trying to claim you have "taken over the blog."

Your biggest problem is Obama : Obama refuses to compromise. Funny characteristic for a guy who spent two years running around the country insisting how bipartisan he is.


Obama is a FRAUD.

It is a complete joke. The seriousness of the situaion is that the American People need a government which is focused on the ECONOMY AND JOBS.

But, Obama refuses to do that - Obama thinks his ego is above what the actual job is.


Obama and the democrats are hurting the country by DISTRACTING the nation away from the real issues of importance - the economy and jobs.

It is actually amazing that last month it appeared that everything was beginning to head in the right direction - and here Obama goes off again - into the woods of a health care debate - COMPLETELY IGNORING WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Obama does NOT know what he is doing.

Obama is going to get impeached -


Whatever health care bill(s) get passed are going to get REPEALED and the Republicans will refuse to fund whatever Obama gets through.

This whole arrogant idea that Obama is going to jam something through which can never be undone is SIMPLY THE THOUGHTS OF MEGLOMANIAC.


It's OVER. The time to quit was a long time ago.


The only question remaining: How much damage to the democratic party will Obama do as he goes down ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

@noa:

You're, of course, correct on the grammar. Let's substitute his/her or...its. :)

As for the dating of the AM-only radios, you are right on that, too. That said, if you drive between the coasts, you still see a lot of folks listening to Rush for hours every day on those old, white, bakelite plastic, AM-only table radios with the big circular tuning dials on their fronts. Kinda think these are the folks receiving most of Rasmussen's polling calls.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Mac and cheese. Moms basement.

This stuff was stupid the first time , about 1994. It only demonstrates what lillte intellect you moonbats have and how little imagination your gang can muster.

Yawn.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 27, 2010 2:18 PM
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That said. Was the mac and cheese Kraft's or generic? Just wonderin'?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Cilizza. Your irregulars have turned your blog into a bad rerun of Beavis and Butthead. He he. He he.

Once Ped arrives the conversation turns decidedly juvenile. Although he claims to abhor his adversaries, it actually seems to make his perverse world go round. Of we eliminate all the chastising, name calling and hate, there is only envy and bragging left.

Beavis indeed.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 27, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

But compared to your life zouk mom's basement is a fine example for children to aspire to. Go pull the wings off a fly, loser.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

No sign of sentient life on this blog today. Just the usual gang of idiots rambling on about their teenage speculations of each other.

Mac and cheese. Moms basement.

This stuff was stupid the first time , about 1994. It only demonstrates what lillte intellect you moonbats have and how little imagination your gang can muster.

Yawn.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 27, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Re: topic... this blog entry by CC is utterly pointless. Not news-related, serving only as a pretext to fawn lovingly over a bunch of dorks nobody else cares about.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@BWJ: you used "their" as a singular. The hell?

AM-only was a lit more than 30 years ago.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"You really show yourself to be out of touch with this post, both in terms of the Fix and in terms of Republican politics. For one, it would take about five minutes of skimming archived Fix columns to find a half dozen positive mentions of Obama. CC compliments Obama all the time.... Posted by: blert | February 26, 2010 1:34 PM "
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Pal, you're the one who's out of touch. Several posters have noted the positive mention of BHO the other day here was (as far as we know) the first in...two years! This space's relentless recurring narratives like Pawlenty in 2012 and Dems-in-trouble and its endless Charlie Cook Report free ads/mentions are a running joke.

Oh, I get where you're coming from:

"You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead -your next stop, the Twilight Zone!"

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

@12BB: his posts are not meant to be read or discussed. The point us to fill up the blog with tiresome dreck and suppress discussion. Go look at Jake's erudition on the Spinning thread. Same thing. Probably the same person.

I never understood the pleasure of being a nuisance. If it's genetic it should be a mandatory abortion.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

what is a clog troll?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

If 37th was as stupid as his posts suggest then almost every word would be misspelled. It's a clog troll, probably Jake.

I guess CC. Is completely disengaged now. Too busy gibbering over TPaw.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

d, I'm guessing a 38 year old creepozoid living in their parents' basement eatin' Doritos, mac and cheese, and Diet Cola with appropriate time reserved for self abuse and listening to Rush on some 30 year old AM-only radio. But that's just a guess. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

37th? Tie him in a chair, stuff a towel in his mouth, call Luca Brasi.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 1:46 PM
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Bwahahahahaha. What about the party?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Pres. Obama is going to speak in a few minutes about the big earthquake. 37th can then start screaming about how he will DESTROY the country if he speaks ONE more word. 37 reminds me of one of those guys who stands on the corner screaming about the end of the world.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

37th? Tie him in a chair, stuff a towel in his mouth, call Luca Brasi.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

joe and 12Bar -- I wonder if 37 isn't a program, and not a human being at all. i really do not sense a human brain behind his postings, they're are so infantile and insensible -- perhaps a failed attempt at Artificial Intelligence.

Posted by: drindl | February 27, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

As for the above list of leaders, let's take John McCain's advice and start over.
__________

Top 10

1. Mrs. Todd Palin, Faux News contributor
2. Rush Limbaugh, AM radio embarrassment
3. Audra Shay, 38-year-old President of the Young Republicans
4. James O' Keefe, arrestee
5. Marcus Epstein, guilty plea
6. Dale Robertson, President and founder of the Tea Party and developer of n-word sign(s)
7. Jim (Tough "Sh-t") Bunning
8. Scott Rasmussen, 1000 polling calls to land phones in the middle of the workday can't be all bad)
9. Trent Franks, has the freshest GOP take yet on slavery
10 (tied). Tom Tancredo, still working on those Jim Crow literacy tests?
10 (tied). Ron Paul, his newsletters are a body of work that will never be duplicated...we hope)

So much talent out there.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"catch up on the thread why don't you. Do a Ctrl-F.

Who in the GOP takes any lead from Ron Paul? He's a simpleton who appeals to the same.

Posted by: Noacoler "

Um, what sane person is going to catch up on this thread?? Have you skimmed it at all?

Posted by: DDAWD | February 27, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

How many minutes would it take to raise the money to ship 37 out of the country?

Where would we send him?

After he's gone, which stadium would be big enough for the party?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 27, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Broad____joe


EVERYONE is sick of your false charges and demonization of other Americans

This is what you say: "appeals to r-cism, intolerance, warmongering, fear mongering, and sloganeering about the "free market" "


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This crap has to STOP - you are being UMAMERICAN - by saying that your opponents are not legitimate.

It is your INTOLERANCE FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH which is not legitimate and UnAmerican.

If you do not like political discussion, if you do not like freedom of speech, if you do not like free markets, THAT MEANS YOU DO NOT LIKE AMERICA.

So, please, go to the Airport, and get out of the country.


The democrats in Congress are going to be voted out this year - Obama is going to be impeached next year -

And then Obama will be voted out in two years - your positions have be REJECTED - you OFFER NOTHING TO THIS COUNTRY EXCEPT POISIONOUS DISCOURSE.


Leave, Please Leave the Country if you don't like the people who live here.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

He talked about "free lunch" all the time too.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 2:08 AM
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Bizarro World.

It's fascinating how BHO's opposition, through appeals to r-cism, intolerance, warmongering, fear mongering, and sloganeering about the "free market" (if U.S. CEOs competed globaly with guys from Seoul and New Delhi, they would earn about $43,000 a year with benefits not 100s of millions) are consistently able to get these Yahoos to vote against their personal and economic interests.

How crazy is it for someone who is ill and without health insurance to rail against HCR, big government and socialized? Or someone who is unemployed cheering on Senator Bunning for blocking an extension of unemployment payments? Or clapping for a Supreme Court decision which will allow unlimited corporate money in judicial and legislative elections, wiping out the power of individual voters. Absolute madness.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 27, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

hey shrink -- did you know the good Prince Alwaleed also has a majority stake in Fox? Biggest owner besides the Murdoch family. He has veto power over their news broadcasts and and shapes their policies about business coverage, particularly financial and energy.

He says quite freely he is against the US developing energy from 'green' sources, as this would hurt Saudi Arabia. And coincidentally FOX feels the same way! They are so patriotic, we should be proud.

How does it feel, being ruled by the Caliphate?

Posted by: drindl | February 27, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse


Where's Ron Paul in this list?

==

catch up on the thread why don't you. Do a Ctrl-F.

Who in the GOP takes any lead from Ron Paul? He's a simpleton who appeals to the same.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

G'morning Mark & shrink. Long day ahead.. lots to take care of.

Zouk, one piece of PI to tittilate your fascination with me. You have it backwards. My problem is not lack, not for anything. My problem is excess. Too many friends, too many books and CDs, too many birds, the pressure of guilt for never having enough time for everyone and everything. All the demands for my time when what I really want to do is read about QCD.

Your problems on the other hand could nit be more plain. There's a movie coming out about you someday... 28 Years Later. Have a nice weekend alone on D Ward.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse


Where's Ron Paul in this list?

Posted by: usadblake | February 27, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Morning Mark,

Yesirree, skiing on tap today up here in Cascadia (hey, if Rick Perry gets to secede, maybe we can too).

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/world/americas/27cascadia.html

Mt Hood has 4" of fresh Cascade Concrete, perfect for slowing down the kids.

But don't thank me, I haven't gotten you out to play yet. Surely, there is some way to postpone those chores. Excuse making, bad for your back, better to leave it to the pros, some Zen aphorism about everything being the same no matter how much changes? Try harder, it will all be there waiting for you...after you have had the fun you deserve.


Posted by: shrink2 | February 27, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, shrink. I hope that you are awake early for something fun, like taking the kids skiing, and not just for the endless honey-dos. My weekend awaits like a yawning chasm of chores. There, I no longer feel sorry for myself. Thanks, Doc!

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 27, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, if only we had drilled baby drill, this ugly alliance never would have happened ...but, at least The Hummer
is dead.

RIYADH (Reuters) - Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, a prominent Saudi investor in Citigroup , reiterated on Saturday his support the bank's management led by Chief Executive Vikram Pandit.

"Prince Alwaleed emphasized his support of Pandit and Citigroup's management," Alwaleed's Kingdom Holding Co said in a statement.

Prince Alwaleed met Pandit in Saudi Arabia. Pandit also met the kingdom's Finance Minister Ibrahim al-Assaf and the head of its central bank Muhammad al-Jasser, added Kingdom in the statement without giving more details.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 27, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of dissed Republican Leaders, sucks we might have to wait until Sunday to hear Pat Robertson inform The Base. Chile deserved its fate, of that we can be sure.

But was it another pact with The Devil? Being Catholic? Rejected Slavery? Blue haired Republicans everywhere are waiting to find out why God smote Chile.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 27, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Ped stands the all night vigil. Desperate for a friend. Anyone to soothe the lonliness of a life enveloped in spite, envy and hate.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 27, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

There was a guy from my area (near Seattle) on several forums back in the early aughts. Same trip as the trolls here, qith a libertarian bent. Claimed to be an inventor, made a lot of money from his ideas, lectured people on self-reliance and blah blah blah. Avatar was his face, wearing a crooked cruel smirk. Big Jakesque story about living on a boat, getting laid there a lot.

Someone tracked him down... guess what. Still living with his mom in his forties. Never made a dime off his inventions. So he tried go salvage his rep by ... you ready? smuggling cocaine in from Mexico. Now he's in the pen for a long time. At least he doesn't live with mom anymore, right?

I think all these cheat-thumping conservatives have similar stories IRL.

He talked about "free lunch" all the time too.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Sanity is out if fashion in the GOP. Crust is getting a run for his money from a whack job. You'd think Florida would have had its fill of those damned Cubans by now.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

As a democrat I wish Charlie Crist was at the top of the list. He's sane and a real republican.

Posted by: hoser3 | February 27, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Youre kidding yourself, drool boi, the GOP is going to be out of power fir forty years if not the rest of the century. In fact they appear to be schisming. And if they did get a toehold on power and sentence sick people to death they'll be murdered in the streets.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

So is this like therapy for you, 37th? Seeing your own words on print makes you feel as though you have some effect
on the world? Evidence that you matter?

You were off here less than six hours overnight, then back reposting the same posts again. Afraid someone might not read one of them?

How pathetic is that? Have you ever had sex? A job? I don't need to ask about having a life ..,

Posted by: Noacoler | February 27, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans have a great deal of options available to them even if Obama gets these health care bills through now.


Obama is out of his mind.


The easiest thing can be if the Republicans capture the House, they can simply refuse to fund the health care bill in the next budget - or even cut off the funds right away - which would effectively halt the program.

The Republicans have options too.

The Republicans have a strong hand actually because the American People do not want the bill.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Well the Republicans don't have to completely repeal the bill if they capture one or both Houses of Congress next year.


Obama should watch what he wishes for.


The Republicans can simply refuse to fund the health care bill - and anything that has to do with it. So if the Republicans capture control of just the House, they can probably stop the implementation of most of the bill next year.


If Obama wants to throw the elbows, there are a variety of elbows which can be throw back at him.


The health care bill will get repealed - one way or another the costs are just too great - the democrats' hopes that somehow a future Congress will be FORCED TO FUND A RUN-AWAY PROGRAM simply does not have to be the way it happens.


In fact, there are many democrats who are hoping that a run-away program will force a future Congress to adopt a single payer system - and that is what they are trying for.


The Republicans can simply repeal the program - and blame the democrats the whole way through.


See, if Obama had tried for a truly widespread bipartisan bill, he wouldn't have people wanting to repeal the bill before it is passed.


Again, Obama is causing this situation to develope.


The Republicans - with only one House of Congress - can simply refuse to fund all of the provisions of the health care bill - effectively halting its implementation - until Obama is finally voted out in complete humiliation.


Then Obama can go back to Hyde Park to teach the class on Marxism in American that he always wanted to.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Obama is down to 44% approval rating

DISAPPROVAL: 55%


The bottom has fallen out - it's over.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 27, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

@noa,

I'm pretty basic myself.

Good luck with your class.

Uh, I have a landline, but I promise not to answer it. LOL.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

@12: basic statistics only... standard deviations, confidence intervals.

Broadwayjoe knows a lot about Rasmussen, hope he chimes in, I need to study for class tomorrow. Vietnamese 5.

I mean, who under 70 has a landline?!?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

I see you understand statistics. Yes, they are often a couple SD away. If people understood stat, they would know that is highly suspect when you have an independent poll that is so far off other independent polls. If you ever see a reasonably analytic article about their approach versus other pollsters, could you send it to me?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

@12BarBlues: Rasmussen has been dinged for using illegitimate polling practices. They call landlines during the workday and get mostly elderly people and the unemployed; they ask loaded question, brazenly loaded ones; they disproportionately poll Republicans. Don't need to take my word for it, just look how far away they are from everyone else, several entire SDs in some cases.

The goobs never quote anyone else.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

@everyone,

On RCP, this article ran: Why Mitch Daniels is on the 2012 Short List

191 comments and 3 (that's right, 3) supporters and one supporter posted twice!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Whatever you say, zouk.

Have a nice time there all alone while the others get to go for the weekend.

"lib" "fag" "ped"

"she"

"chrissy foxxy"

tell us about your "townhose" some more.

That discharge is further out than ever, isn't it.

Nyahh nyahh.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

We are supposed to be talking about the ECONOMY AND JOBS - WHICH IS WHAT THE COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL LAST YEAR.


Obama simply doesn't get it.


Last month, the country was relieved when it looked like the federal government was FINALLY GOING TO FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY.


Instead, Obama has everyone talking about health care again.


What a joke - Obama is a complete idiot. We have an ego-driven idiot running the agenda of the country - and this is not the time to do this.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is at 44% approval rating - however the people who say "strongly approve" have falled from 35% to 23% in the past month.

Obama is sinking faster than a lead ball off an iron ship.

Obama's negatives are sky high. What is amazing is the "Reverse Bradley Effect" (which gets broadwayjoe so angry) because people are not telling the full truth to pollsters - people do not want to sound racist on the phone - so they say they like Obama when they really don't.


If Obama wasn't such a hypocrite, maybe he would have a chance.

At this point, it appears that Obama is hinting at only being a one-termer - He knows what is coming - that is why he made those comments to Diane Sawyer - so Obama is going to continue to COMPLETELY DISREGARD everything that the American People say.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow behold Rasmussen.. No wonder the goobs live and die by it.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 10:38 PM
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Rasmussen is often an outlier. Take a look at Pollster.com for an average for all the approval polls.

I have some background in statistics, so I have been curious why Rasmussen is often an outlier. I suspect it is in their sampling approach. People who have their "favorite" poll really do not understand polling. There is quite a body of knowledge about polling--it's not voodoo like some think, nor is it without its art either.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Ped. You surely have one black soul. All you do is spew childish insults nonstop. Never a fact based analysis or intelligent point of view. How did you become so envious, so hateful, so anti social? It is no wonder a blog is your only interaction. You must be positively unbearable in person.

Go ahead spew all night to posters you supposedly detest. It makes no sense.

You are a pitiful loser.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 26, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone reading this blog to put a finger on the pulse of American politics could only come to one conclusion: conservatives are deranged dropouts from the third grade.

"comrade Obama.". F ucking infantile.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

@armpeg,

You can believe anything you wish. I believe in interpolating all the polls (after throwing out the outliers). You could look at all the polls on Pollster.com.

Despite claims to the contrary, information is not dangerous.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

The democrats - especially in the House - have to start looking at the EXTENSIVE DAMAGE OBAMA IS DOING TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.


Obama is really destroying the party.


The amount of downticket races which are now at severe risk on account of Obama's ego is staggering.


The democrats are not lemmings.


Obama wants the democrats to get in the car with him as he drives it off a cliff - the election is only 8 months away and it is difficult to see the views around the country changing - views which have hardened since the election of Scott Brown.


Obama is dragging the party down - I simply can not come up with an example from American History to compare.


Because there has been NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO WOULD TAKE SUCH A STUPID COURSE OF ACTION - FILLED WITH HYPOCRISY AND DECEIT.


The American People are watching Obama - only getting angrier.


Obama is creating a real disaster for the democratic party - and the democrats have only themselves to blame for voting for someone with such obvious inexperience and lack of executive knowledge.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues
Believe what you want to believe.

I for one think Rasmussen's poll is the best, and he had Comrade Obama's Presidential approval number at 44% yesterday.

Reason?
2004 Rasmussen poll:
GW Bush 50.2%--Hanoi John Kerry 48.5%
2004 Result:
GW Bush 50.7%--Hanoi John Kerry 48.3%

2008 Rasmussen poll:
Comrade Obama 52%---McCain 46%
2008 Result:
Comrade Obama 53%----McCain 46%

Not bad.

Now consiter the Research 2000 Mass. poll prediction:
Martha Coakley 49%---Scott Brown 41%

Not very good is it?

Posted by: armpeg | February 26, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse


We are supposed to be talking about the ECONOMY AND JOBS - WHICH IS WHAT THE COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL LAST YEAR.


Obama simply doesn't get it.


Last month, the country was relieved when it looked like the federal government was FINALLY GOING TO FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY.


Instead, Obama has everyone talking about health care again.


What a joke - Obama is a complete idiot. We have an ego-driven idiot running the agenda of the country - and this is not the time to do this.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow behold Rasmussen.. No wonder the goobs live and die by it.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

The democratic Congressmen - including serveral who have appeared on MSNBC - when asked about "cost containment" admitted that this health care bill has virtually NOTHING in the area of cost containment.


The truth of the matter is that Obama says the program will cost $950,000,000,000.00 - however if one matches up years - eliminates ONE ACCOUNTING TRICK - the cost ballons to $3 Trillion.


This is ALL UNFUNDED.


The nightmare which is slowly beginning to sink in is that Obama is going to try to stick much of these costs on the STATES - in the form of unfunded mandates


So the costs are going to end up in your STATE TAXES.

What are you going to do when 20 states are nearly bankrupt and Obama has the Federal government in a permanent Trillion dollar deficit ???


The numbers are NOT there.


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OK - there is a new market or exchange - that is mostly window dressing -


The reason the exchanges do little is because they do NOTHING to contain the underlying costs - no matter what kind of bidding or competition that takes place on the exchanges, the underlying costs are still going to govern the general range of the cost of policies.


What has happened is "cost containment" is a talking point which came out of Obama's focus groups - and it is in the discussion - but there is almost nothing in the bill.

WHAT BROKE OUT YESTERDAY - was a discussion about whether premiums would go up or down.


>>> what came out this morning is that Alexander was talking about premiums which are available to the general public.


>>>> only when one AVERAGES in the subsidies which Obama wants to give do the average premiums go down.


The problem with that calculation - is the subsidies have to be FUNDED SOMEHOW - so to say that the SUBSIDY DOES NOT COUNT IN THE COST OF THE PREMIUM is not accurate,


It is actually deceitful.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse


We are supposed to be talking about the ECONOMY AND JOBS - WHICH IS WHAT THE COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL LAST YEAR.


Obama simply doesn't get it.


Last month, the country was relieved when it looked like the federal government was FINALLY GOING TO FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY.


Instead, Obama has everyone talking about health care again.


What a joke - Obama is a complete idiot. We have an ego-driven idiot running the agenda of the country - and this is not the time to do this.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't like hamburger, zouk. Maybe twice a decade. How unamerican of me. Sue me.

So you finally got the dayroom PC back? Bet you hate how the nurses force you to share with the other mumblers.

I'm out here in my house in the USA, shortly to vacation in my palatial house in VN, you're in there. No visitors, no friends, nothing sharp, and so it shall remain.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

No need to cherry pick polls. And with the Olympics going, we'll do the usually and take out the best and worst.

Net approval rating: +3.

BB

Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread
Gallup 2/23 - 2/25 1547 A 50 42 +8
Rasmussen Reports 2/23 - 2/25 1500 LV 44 55 -11
FOX News 2/23 - 2/24 900 RV 47 45 +2
POS (R) 2/17 - 2/18 900 RV 48 48 Tie
Newsweek 2/17 - 2/18 1009 A 48 40 +8
CNN/Opinion Research 2/12 - 2/15 1023 A 49 50 -1
CBS News/NY Times 2/5 - 2/10 1084 A 46 45 +1
Pew Research 2/3 - 2/9 1383 A 49 39 +10
ABC News/Wash Post 2/4 - 2/8 1004 A 51 46 +5
Quinnipiac 2/2 - 2/8 2617 RV 45 46 -1

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 26, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Poor lonely ped. No chuckee cheese tonight?

Posted by: Moonbat | February 26, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

37th, armpeg, leapin... do any of you guys have jobs?

Of course 37th doesn't. His 18 hour a day presence here proves that. Jake covers his own unemployability with a fable about retirement and a stolen identity (James Dort donates to museums, Jake would never go into one except maybe to steal something). But I can't imagine rage cases like armpeg showing up for work in slacks or coveralls, does not compute, and even at a carwash he'd be let go as soon as he opened his racist foul mouth.

Zouk has to be institutionalized, it's inconceivable he hasn't been committed, probably by court order.

So it seems that just about all the conservatives posting here are getting their tab picked up by someone else as they lecture us about personal responsibility.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

Oh, I agree -- Ron Paul does have a loyal following. I know a couple myself. But, I place Ron Paul outside the R. party. What I'm saying is that NO Republican (exception Palin) seems to get any enthusiasm on this or the other conservative blog where I post. Now, ask the posters what they think of Obama and they come out like rabid dogs.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I miss the Cillizza who covered the campaign, his short videos on here were so good I swallowed my pride and installed Flash on one machine just to watch them (I hate Flash).
Now he may as well write for the Enquirer, as BB said about buzz and I said about shallowness, it's all about "who's hot and who's not," it's not about who's actually, you know, leading.  None of them are.  Just because they have followers, and most of them don't, doesn't mean they aren't wandering aimlessly.  Palin?  Please.

I find it hard to write about the guy, I'm furious with him for the handling of these comments, banning me for calling that cretinous bigot JakeD a racist yet giving free reign to him, to 37th, and to an obvious mental patient with third-degree emotional disorders.  Anyway.
My take on CC is that he's a young guy with a rapid rise who probably takes himself seriously and sees his access to public figures as the most important thing in his life .. like the young developers in the heyday of Microsoft driving Porches who believed their girlfriends liked them for their looks.  Dunno why he gets his sense of worth from sucking up to scummy Republicans, probably the Lone Star thing.  Hope he falls hard for supporting people who would destroy his country.

@12BarBlues: no shortage of Ron Paul fanatics.  They'll show up, make soime unsubstantiated statements about Paul being "the only" this and "the only" that, and vanish.  Simpletons.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

@armpeg,

Is your point that Research2000 polls cannot be believed because they are taken by blacks? Or that some of the poll cannot be believed, but other parts of the poll (probably taken by whites) can be believed?

Maybe you can explain it to us...

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Obama doesn't deserve a positive mention - until he stops being such a hypocrite.

Is Obama bipartisan or partisan?


Let's have a bipartisan summit so Obama can try to point the finger at the Republicans - but never intending to want to find a compromise.

YOU should be held repsonsible for this guy.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


How can a person who goes on television for seven hours and acts like a complete hypocrite "shine"


You have no moral character.

The democrats should be ashamed of Obama - not trying to build him up

The democrats deserve to lose everything they will this fall.

AND let me tell you - it is going to be bad - especially downticket, Obama is dragging your party down like no other person in history. You are responsible for the lies, the deception, the hypocrisy. Take personal responsibility.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

I don't think McCain has much support within the party (amazing that he ran just over a year ago, isn't it?). I spent more than 5 years listening to conservative talk radio (shut the damn TV off) and rarely was anyone for McCain, and even then faint support.

I think a lot of people respected him, though. I did until he nominated Palin, then I thought, what the heck is wrong with him? Why would he take that kind of risk, and we know how it backfired on him.

After that, I was a lot more hesitant about him.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

broawayjoe keeps citing the Research 2000 poll as his most accurate, and claims that Comrade Barack Obama's approval numbers are at 55%, so I checked on this Research 2000 polster and found no mention of this supposed 55% Obama approval number. True? Maybe yes, maybe no.
I did find some interesting points broadwayjoe though doesn't mention.
* Research 2000 is owned and run by one of broadwayjoe's tribal members, a guy by the name of Del Ali, so it wouldn't surprise me if Comrade Obama does have a 55% approval number (it's a black thing!).
* Research 2000 is used by the Daily Kos, as their official polling site.
* In the most recent election in Mass. Research 2000 (Jan.12--Jan.31,2010) had Martha Coakley winning by 49% to Scott Brown's 41%
* In a Daily Kos: 'State of the Nation' poll done by Reseach 2000 (MoE 2%, Jan.20--Jan. 31, 2010) they asked these questions re. Barack Obama ("all voters" only):

Q: Should Barack Obama be impeached, or not?
Result: Yes 39%, No 32%, Not sure 29%

Q: Do you believe Barack Obama was born in the USA, or not?
Result: Yes 42%, No 36%, Not sure 22%

Q: Do you believe Barack Obama is a Socialist?
Result: Yes 63%, No 21%, Not sure 16%

Q: Do you believe Barack Obama wants the terrorists to win?
Result: Yes 24%, No 43%, Not sure 33%

Q: Do you think ACORN stole the 2008 election?
Result: Yes 21%, No 24%, Not sure 55%

Q: Do you believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama?
R: 53%, No 14%, Not sure 33%

Q:Do you believe Barack Obama is a racist who hates white people?
Result: Yes 31%, No 36%, Not sure 33%

(And this is a Daily Kos poll, one of the most far-left Obama worshipping blogs on the planet!)

Posted by: armpeg | February 26, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Since no one is interested in any of the Republicans (and who can blame them), what if Obama did not run in 2012 for whatever reason. Would Hillary run? Could she take the nomination? Could she win the general?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

@noa

Prediction: next positive BHO mention in this space. February 25, 2012...maybe.

How can this space rhapsodize daily about Palin, Chip Salsman, Scott Brown, Pawlenty (who NOBODY is talking about), but not find one positive thing to say about the 44th President of the United States?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 26, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

BB, you are absolutely right. McDonnell and Christ were the saviors of the party in November. Where are they now? Mired down in deficits, campaign promises they cannot keep (or never intended to) and pretty plans they didn't have (McDonnell's revolutionary, self-financing transit plan). Brown will follow. It is almost comical that he is on this list.

Barbour commonly appears on RINO lists even though he does all that grunt work for the party.

Gingrich is unelectable. When some people post about lack of moral character, they need to think about the standard Gingrich has set there.

Pawlenty, Romney and Daniels are lucky Cillizza likes them so much. No one else seems to.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 26, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I hear a wolverine has been spotted near Truckee. I nominate him for the Republican ticket. Wolfie/Palin-go baby go.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a supporter of Haley Barbour, but I said a few months ago that he's my dark horse candidate for the presidential nominee. I'd give him 1 in 4 odds of being on the ticket.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 26, 2010 9:43 PM
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You make my point, my friend. Bwahahahaha.
And Haley is #2 on CC's list. I'd hate to be #3.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Another "leader" correctly absent from this list .. Sen. McCain.  Count on Chris to dutifully toe the line, McC is anathema for campaign finance and not being down enough on the "illegal aliens" dodge.

I never liked McCain.  I understood why others saw him as deserving respect but never shared it, yeah he did some aisle crossing long ago, that's over, but he's always been one of the most conservative Senators, until the GOP went completely spla and conservative meant stark raving nuts.

I think that being loyal to Bush after Bush proved with the Roving of McCain in 2000 that he was a man without principle or dignity was over the top.  Party loyalty is one thing but loyalty to a man of proven bad faith was unmerited.
It's my belief that the infantile and petty McCain of today is what was under the facade all along. and as he's gotten enraged with losing to a black man it's all come out, NOT something that he just developed recently, but tyhe reality he no longer has the means to conceal.

I think he's garbage.  He coasted too long on having been a POW.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

No idea what his followers see in him ... OK, that isn't true. His appeal to simpletons is the simplicity of his ideas, they resonate with people who can't handle details or nuance.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 9:31 PM
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See what I mean, noa? You are chumming the water pretty nicely, and do we see any pro-Paul supporters rising to the surface? Not a one.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a supporter of Haley Barbour, but I said a few months ago that he's my dark horse candidate for the presidential nominee. I'd give him 1 in 4 odds of being on the ticket.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 26, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

...and how do you leave out Representative Trent Franks who has a "fresh" 2010 take on the institution of slavery?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/26/841108/-Black-People-Were-Better-Off-as-Slaves-

...and Jim Bunning who blocked an extension of unemployment compensation authorization, and, on the Senate floor, told the jobless "tough sh_t" (by far the best quote of the year)?

Trent and Jim, take your place on the leadership list please. James O'Keefe, move over a bit.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 26, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

@FairlingtonBlade,

Agree that the list is too long. But, no one on this blog has expressed support for a one of the R's listed. I can't think of any R's left off the list, can you? Ron Paul is technically R, but he's really libertarian.

I post on another political blog, and the same pattern holds true. Except for Palin defenders, you couldn't find a supporter for any named Republican if your life depended on it. There are a lot of supporters for the generic Republican, but not for any specific R.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

There's one problem with this list. It's not a list of party leaders, but rather a list of which Republicans are generating buzz.

Consider Bob McDonnell, the present governor of Virginia. His was a regular presence on the list up to his election. He was selected to give the Republican response to the SOTU. Now, gone. Scott Brown is on the list now, but I expect that he'll be gone in a few months. Expect Marco Rubio to wax leading up to the election and submarine in December, win or lose.

I agree with the top 5 on the list, which leads me to think that a shorter list might be better. That or a split screen with leaders and up and comers.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 26, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Also, Paul is a screeching racist b4statd who'd be macaca'd before he got out of the gate. And he'll be 75 in 2012.

Ever heard him speak? His speaking voice is an irritating whine, sounds like a cracker arguing with a welfare caseworker.

No idea what his followers see in him ... OK, that isn't true. His appeal to simpletons is the simplicity of his ideas, they resonate with people who can't handle details or nuance.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

There are 130 comments here, and there are no supporters of ANY of the people on CC's list.

There are a lot of comments like Obama-is-a-complete-FRAUD-and-we-should-all-go-out-and-commit-suicide. But, no one is a supporter of any of these folks.

What does that say?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


How can a person who goes on television for seven hours and acts like a complete hypocrite "shine"


You have no moral character.

The democrats should be ashamed of Obama - not trying to build him up

The democrats deserve to lose everything they will this fall.

AND let me tell you - it is going to be bad - especially downticket, Obama is dragging your party down like no other person in history. You are responsible for the lies, the deception, the hypocrisy. Take personal responsibility.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

@BWJ: Ron Paul seems the only exception here to the celebrity list, the only famous goober not regarded as a party leader. The GOP isn't interested in hearing from a guy who'd close our foreign military bases, nor in a guy who'd legalize pot or stop fretting about what gays do in bed.

They'd only run him for prez as a sacrificial lamb (see Dole, Bob). He's made too many laughed-off-the-stage loonyisms to be anything else. So has Palin, but her time is over anyway.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse


Broadwayjoe
You can not be.... [Unhinged junk omitted]
Obama's poll numbers have dropped during this stupid gambit.
[Unhinged junk omitted]

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 8:15 PM
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BHO's poll numbers have not dropped. His Research 2000 poll numbers have hovered around 56 for quite some time. This despite onstop BHO bashing from Fox News, BroderWorld, and hate radio. Look, BHO won 53% of the vote so his approval numbers have actually gone UP. He is currently at 55 according to R2000 polling that ended yesterday. (Why no Fix mention?)

Here's a link to this excellent news:

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 26, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama backed himself into a corner at the summit.


Obama failed miserably to point the finger at the Republicans for not being bipartisan.


Obama's problem is - NOW THE WHOLE COUNTRY SAW THAT OBAMA WAS NOT SEEKING A COMPROMISE - AND INSTEAD HAD HIDDEN PARTISAN MOTIVES THE WHOLE TIME.


Obama's poll numbers have dropped during this stupid gambit.


You are a complete fool for voting for this guy. You and your party are responsible for the damage he causes the country by ignoring the economy and jobs - and the country will not forget.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama backed himself into a corner at the summit.


Obama failed miserably to point the finger at the Republicans for not being bipartisan.


Obama's problem is - NOW THE WHOLE COUNTRY SAW THAT OBAMA WAS NOT SEEKING A COMPROMISE - AND INSTEAD HAD HIDDEN PARTISAN MOTIVES THE WHOLE TIME.


Obama's poll numbers have dropped during this stupid gambit.


You are a complete fool for voting for this guy. You and your party are responsible for the damage he causes the country by ignoring the economy and jobs - and the country will not forget.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

It was nice to see Obama's rhetorical gifts on display again and heartening to see the unexpected reappearance of his spine. I feel better about him after yesterday that at any time since he elected, perplexingly, to escalate in Afghanistan. His calm, unruffled, barely-exasperated cutoff of McCain's posturing for the cameras was something I think we've been waiting for, those of us who aren't "praying" for him to fail. His command of the facts was on full display and he reduced the Republicans in the room to small children right before our eyes.

Obama is back.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 8:22 PM
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Interesting you report your reaction. That is how I felt too. I've been looking for him to straighten up, take risks, and lead the way, instead of pointing the way. I feel a LOT better about Obama and the future of his administration. The Dems are a bit like herding cats, so they need a strong leader. I thought Obama demonstrated a grasp of the facts that no one else had, of either party. He did shine, didn't he?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 26, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Who do the democrats have?


Pelosi


Reid


Rangel


McGreevey


Paterson


Who else - on your superstar list?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I had overlooked the omission of Ron Paul, the winner of the CPAC straw poll, from the list. What gives? I'm sure "the base" would srongly support Paul's core principles as set forth in the RON PAUL newsletters.

And why isn't Rush on the list? Beck? Audra Shay? Dale Robertson? Marcus Epstein? Chip Salsman? James O'Keefe?

Any exercise in listing the GOP "leaders" exposes how thin its stating lineup is. How can any party survive when its leaders are Palin and a bloated bigot with an AM radio hate program? George Will predicts Palin will lose 44 states if she is the GOP nominee in 2012. Sounds about right.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 26, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

It was nice to see Obama's rhetorical gifts on display again and heartening to see the unexpected reappearance of his spine.  I feel better about him after yesterday that at any time since he elected, perplexingly, to escalate in Afghanistan.  His calm, unruffled, barely-exasperated cutoff of McCain's posturing for the cameras was something I think we've been waiting for, those of us who aren't "praying" for him to fail.  His command of the facts was on full display and he reduced the Republicans in the room to small children right before our eyes.

Obama is back.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

the GOP 2012 Prez nominee isn't going to be anybody on this list. it's very likely that the economy will get well enough and the 2 Wars will be under better control that Obama will be seen as too hard to beat, so the GOP will nominate a sacrificial lamb or maybe a demon sheep to get beat and then the big shots will try in 2016 because it's unlikely that Biden would run, so it will be more open. On Nov 14, 2006 I predicted that neither McCain or Clinton would be the next President, so I have a prediction track record.

http://carbubble.blogspot.com/2006/11/2008-presidential-prediction.html

Posted by: Carbubble | February 26, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


You can not be serious - Obama backed himself into a corner at the summit.

Obama failed miserably to point the finger at the Republicans for not being bipartisan.

Obama's problem is - NOW THE WHOLE COUNTRY SAW THAT OBAMA WAS NOT SEEKING A COMPROMISE - AND INSTEAD HAD HIDDEN PARTISAN MOTIVES THE WHOLE TIME.

Obama's poll numbers have dropped during this stupid gambit.

You are a complete fool for voting for this guy. You and your party are responsible for the damage he causes the country by ignoring the economy and jobs - and the country will not forget.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Santorum and Romney will both have exceeded their shelf date well before the 2012 primaries. They will have been out of office for how long? Romney can't even get a job on Fox as a political analyst. Everyone else gets to be one, even Santorum gets a paycheck for staying available.

My question is, if no one else hires you for your analysis are you in fact an analyst? My other question is does Fox own Palin and Santorum or do Pailin and Santorum own Fox?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 26, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Enough with Pawlenty! He's a total non-entity everywhere but in this space.

Palin and Scott Brown are legit whether you agree with them or not. The others aren't worth talking about. Newtron? Come on, get serious.

We agree with noa. This list of leaders is more like a GOP celebrity sheet. Erase it and start over.
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No mention of the recent Research 2000 poll showing BHO at 55%, 2% AHEAD of his 2008 vote percentage? Why not cherry pick that?
__________________

BHO's HCR summit really neutralized the opposition. They didn't have the guts to call him names, question hsi place of birth, holler "You lie," wave n-word signs or BHO-as-the-Joker posters, or insult his Mom when facing 44 face to face this week.
One "leader" just painted his face orange like "Snooki" and sat there fuming.
Great week for 44 politically...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 26, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

"Tim Pawlenty is a loser - He makes fun of Tiger Woods' broken marriage at the CPAC and the GOP is supposed to be party of family values?"

Not to mention his double fail at topical humor and analogy formation. This is not someone I want with his finger on the button.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going for the NUCLEAR OPTION - as we have seen everytime Obama has tried a gambit like this, it blows up in his face.

Obama has got to be kidding.

The only question that remains is how much of the democratic party Obama is going to take down with him.


The Republicans are going to repeal the bill as soon as they can.

Even if the Republicans win only one House of Congress next year, they can refuse to fund the health care bill - and thus halt its implementation.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWD, it is true. The people taking their perfectly nurtured, carefully cultured rage to (sadly, the people in their homes) the streets are the ones we have to fear.

Posted by: shrink2"

I think this place is become a haven to would-be-teabaggers who can't stand natural light.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Tim Pawlenty is a loser - He makes fun of Tiger Woods' broken marriage at the CPAC and the GOP is supposed to be party of family values? How can the GOP talk about the sanctity of marriage and make jokes about someone's problems. He also advocates domestic violence with a 9 Iron as a solution! What a clown. Why doesn't he bring back some Challenge Disaster jokes? Does he have any 9-11 knee slappers? Chris, just drop him off your list. He's going nowhere.

Posted by: Carbubble | February 26, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"...but in a country of 300 million well armed citizens, it is the lack of any activity that is remarkable."

Ack! I have to go. But this is sooo true.
This country is amazing. Violent crime keeps dropping, even as economic conditions are very tough. We are doing a lot right.

Now by

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"This place is so dysfunctional,
it is like a perverse comedy act.


Posted by: shrink2
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Just a microcosm of our congress

I absolutely agree.

What would we have to do to fix it?
Our country is in deep, deep trouble.

Our solutions will not come from the parties. The Republicans were in charge, now the Democrats are in charge. What a mess. Well, gotta go fellas.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The people taking their perfectly nurtured, carefully cultured rage to the streets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I must say I don't really see a lot of that. the only instance in memory is code pink rallies and world bank meetings - decidely liberal gatherings BTW.

there are some single events that make the news but in a country of 300 million well armed citizens, it is the lack of any activity that is remarkable.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

spend their lives spamming this blog

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

One man's spam is another man's freedom fighter.

Or something like that.

I keep forgetting that all liberal pronouncements are a wealth of gold, while all conservative thought is a waste of ink. silly me.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

zouk, sometimes you make me laugh.
This place is so dysfunctional,
it is like a perverse comedy act.


Posted by: shrink2
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Just a microcosm of our congress and senate.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD, it is true. The people taking their perfectly nurtured, carefully cultured rage to (sadly, the people in their homes) the streets are the ones we have to fear.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I find most of the posters on this board, although belligerent, are good natured.

there are of course some notable exceptions.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps if you paid closer attention, you would laugh more often."

Truer words you have never spoken.


Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps if you paid closer attention, you would laugh more often. after all, the liberals are "running" things now.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"They elicit the very responses which confirm/substantiate their world view.
Not so dangerous, but awfully annoying,
blogs are perfect grounds for these embattled sufferers, obviously.

Posted by: shrink2"

It's kind of annoying that they spend their lives spamming this blog, but it's also probably the least destructive thing these guys will end up doing with their lives as well.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

zouk, sometimes you make me laugh.
This place is so dysfunctional,
it is like a perverse comedy act.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

accepted help from a liberal yesterday. The liberal ripped a shirt off of another person’s back that was passing by and gave it to me.
Posted by: leapin |

Perfect. You get it.
His attempt to help was absurd and most important, confirmed everything you already knew. QED

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

It is a neat trick, but its circular logic (are not all primitive defensive structures circular? Blazing Saddles, zB). Like denial (problem? what problem?), Projection in general prevents psychological growth, it incorporates and then rejects the effort of anyone who might try to help. Tragedy has many faces.
Posted by: shrink2
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I accepted help from a liberal yesterday. The liberal ripped a shirt off of another person’s back that was passing by and gave it to me.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm the Present ident. I have my own doctor. And my own jet. I am the One. now what were we talking about?

Present ident Barry Soetero

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"I’ve been waiting and waiting for heart surgery in the incompetent US health system". - PM Williams, Newfoundland

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Tragedy has many faces.

Posted by: shrink2 |
e.g. dribbl, PED, Loud and dumb, DDAWD, BJ, jaka$$.......

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"No wonder you want healthcare w/ mental health provisions passed asap.
Posted by: leapin"

Well leapin, I do, but not for this problem. You see there is no treatment for projective identification.

Every push from the outside world (reality) against the projective identification defense results in the sufferer pushing back, thereby confirming their autistic reality. They know they are the only one who understands what is Really happening, their victimization is being intensified by the evildoers saying they are trying to help and etc.

It is a neat trick, but its circular logic (are not all primitive defensive structures circular? Blazing Saddles, zB). Like denial (problem? what problem?), Projection in general prevents psychological growth, it incorporates and then rejects the effort of anyone who might try to help. Tragedy has many faces.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Charlie Rangel’s lawyers are firing back at the House ethics committee, saying the panel was “wrong on the facts and unsupported by the law.” In a letter to the ethics panel on Friday afternoon, Rangel’s attorneys complained that the committee erred in admonishing the veteran New York Democrat for failing to know two trips to the Caribbean were corporate-funded, a violation of House rules. The ethics committee found that two Rangel aides knew about the source of funding for the trips, but it found no evidence that Rangel himself was aware of that fact.


Liberals always assume someone else is paying. that is all they know. who pays never enters their head.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

My granny fell down once. No one was there to help her up. the government should do something.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

My husband currently has a government job, but I am terrified of what will happen if he should lose his job and insurance. The thought that we would have to be responsible for our own medical bills terrifies me. He's far too stupid to work in the private sector. We need health care reform. - Jill in Delaware."

"I'm a columnist for the Atlantic and an immigrant to your country. I was recently gobsmacked and chagrined to discover that my insurance company considers rectal prolapse a pre-existing condition. Also, Trig Palin is not Sarah Palin's son. I am NOT a crackpot. - Andrew in P-Town"

Posted by: drivl
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Are you aware that over 26.925 million people are using pre-owned dentures? (that counting illegal immigrants)

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Does Obama know how much damage he is doing to his own party - simply by floating the idea that he is going to still try to jam the health care bill through ???

Unbelievable.


WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The Democrat National Committee and Organizing For America are sending out their activists and agitators to spam blogs and talk-radio outlets with talking points in favor of ObamaCare. Nice to know that Kyle/Ghost of Wellstone has a job again.

We know that activists will be telling phony health care horror stories ... probably the same one will be told over and over again under different pseudonyms ... so, just to make this fun, why don't you make some suggestions to the astroturfers in the comments. I'll kick it off.

"My husband currently has a government job, but I am terrified of what will happen if he should lose his job and insurance. The thought that we would have to be responsible for our own medical bills terrifies me. He's far too stupid to work in the private sector. We need health care reform. - Jill in Delaware."

"I'm a columnist for the Atlantic and an immigrant to your country. I was recently gobsmacked and chagrined to discover that my insurance company considers rectal prolapse a pre-existing condition. Also, Trig Palin is not Sarah Palin's son. I am NOT a crackpot. - Andrew in P-Town"

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

While the country... well, actually, just the media... were distracted by the spectacle of the spoiled, petulant president at the "Health Care Summit" sneering at any substantive criticism of his expensive health care takeover as "talking points," Congressional Democrats were trying to make it effectively illegal to interrogate foreign terrorists.

An Amendment to National Security Bill authored by radical leftist congressman Jim McDermott of Washington would have made it a crime, punishable by fifteen years in prision, to use any interrogation technique a Muslim terrorist considered "degrading." (Radical Muslims consider even talking to infidels degrading.)

The Democrats' bill would prohibit -- with a penalty of 15 years' imprisonment -- the following tactics, among others:
"Exploiting the phobias of the individual"
Stress positions and the threatened use of force to maintain stress positions
"Depriving the individual of necessary food, water, sleep, or medical care"
Forced nudity
Using military working dogs (i.e., any use of them -- not having them attack or menace the individual; just the mere presence of the dog if it might unnerve the detainee and, of course, "exploit his phobias")
Coercing the individual to blaspheme or violate his religious beliefs (I wonder if Democrats understand the breadth of seemingly innocuous matters that jihadists take to be violations of their religious beliefs)
Exposure to "excessive" cold, heat or "cramped confinement" (excessive and cramped are not defined)
"Prolonged isolation"
"Placing hoods or sacks over the head of the individual"


Sounds like a list of Chrissy foxxy's fetishes to me.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Fifty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they think the federal government's become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama - after running a shame of a bipartisan summit yesterday - HAS DECLARED WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


well well well.


Obama's ego has gone completely out-of-control.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Time to spread a little jelly on the global warming hoax. If even the establishment libs at Roto-Reuters admit that it hasn't been getting any warmer despite the supposed ongoing crisis, you know the whole swindle is toast.

Climate scientists must do more to work out how exceptionally cold winters or a dip in world temperatures fit their theories of global warming, if they are to persuade an increasingly sceptical public.
At stake is public belief that greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet, and political momentum to act as governments struggle to agree a climate treaty which could direct trillions of dollars into renewable energy, away from fossil fuels.
Public conviction of global warming's risks may have been undermined by an error [i.e., an outrageous lie] in a U.N. panel report exaggerating the pace of melt of Himalayan glaciers and by the disclosure of hacked emails revealing scientists sniping at sceptics, who leapt on these as evidence of data fixing.

Most of the article consists of vague doubletalk, apparently meant to leave us with the impression that global warming has just been lying low for awhile, the better to pounce on us when we least expect it. But once they admit that 1) there is no consensus that global warming is real, regardless of what Al Gore might bellow; and 2) it hasn't been getting any warmer, it's time for moonbats to invent a new crisis.

Some daring scientists are even starting to suggest that temperatures are determined not by taxes and regulations, but by that big bright thing hanging in the sky.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

shrink, I think dribbl needs more time.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Keith Olbermann's attempts to smear the Tea Parties as Klan Rallies totally blackfired when it was noticed that MSDNC's line-up of hosts looks like a polar bear eating a mayonnaise sandwich on Wonder Bread in an East Coast blizzard. Ignoring Queef's frantic spin that "some of our best second-string substitute hosts are coloreds," even the Congressional Black Caucus is criticizing parent company NBC for its lack of melanin.

It seems inevitable that MSDNC will have to put a Token Black up as a host, and it will have to cancel one of its low-rated hosts to do that. (Fortunately, MSDNC has no shortage of hosts with low ratings.) So, today's poll question is, who will they hire? Remember, it has to be someone who will fit in well with the ideology and rhetorical style of Olberman-Maddow-Schultz-Matthews-O'Donnell, and ideally will not speak with a "Negro Dialect."

Posted by: drivl
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How about a soon to be unemployed, light skinned white man, Harry Reid?

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh yea - it is not fair to compare Obama just to all the Presidents - because he is surely the greatest -


To be fair, we must compare Obama to all leaders of all nations, of all time.

Only then can we get a true picture of how great Obama is.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

They elicit the very responses which confirm/substantiate their world view.
Not so dangerous, but awfully annoying,
blogs are perfect grounds for these embattled sufferers, obviously.

Posted by: shrink2
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No wonder you want healthcare w/ mental health provisions passed asap.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh yea, Obama is doing a great job - inspiring confidence


Fifty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they think the federal government's become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

FLA should be fun to watch:

"The Florida Republican Senate primary race is already a knock-down, drag-out fight -- and it's still six months before the primary itself. This week's new development -- with the news of leaked documents showing that Marco Rubio charged more than $100,000 to the state GOP's credit card when he was speaker of the state House, some of it on personal expenses -- is just the latest example.

I asked Rick Wilson, a Republican political consultant in Florida, how dirty and personal he thinks the campaign could get, with six months still left to go in the primary. "I expect a scorched earth, smoking, radioactive wasteland, a postapocalypic Mad Max hellscape. That's what I expect," Wilson said with a laugh. "It's a big job in the third largest state. Stakes are high."

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Wow, he might be as crooked as Pelosi using up all that jet fuel for her family.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

As noted previously, technically, it is called projective identification.

The difference between projection and projective identification may not seem significant, but here is the difference.

Simple projection (the litigious person who believes "lawyers" have messed up his life and decides to sue his lawyers) is more infantile. With projective identification, the person, the sufferer, actually creates through a process of psychological induction, the very qualities s/he he has projected, in order to relate to them in a way that feels familiar, if not safe. It is a dance that involves the willing participation of the other.

Some instances of domestic violence and suicide by cop are tragic examples.

They elicit the very responses which confirm/substantiate their world view.
Not so dangerous, but awfully annoying,
blogs are perfect grounds for these embattled sufferers, obviously.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Keith Olbermann's attempts to smear the Tea Parties as Klan Rallies totally blackfired when it was noticed that MSDNC's line-up of hosts looks like a polar bear eating a mayonnaise sandwich on Wonder Bread in an East Coast blizzard. Ignoring Queef's frantic spin that "some of our best second-string substitute hosts are coloreds," even the Congressional Black Caucus is criticizing parent company NBC for its lack of melanin.

It seems inevitable that MSDNC will have to put a Token Black up as a host, and it will have to cancel one of its low-rated hosts to do that. (Fortunately, MSDNC has no shortage of hosts with low ratings.) So, today's poll question is, who will they hire? Remember, it has to be someone who will fit in well with the ideology and rhetorical style of Olberman-Maddow-Schultz-Matthews-O'Donnell, and ideally will not speak with a "Negro Dialect."

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to let all you liberals who overlook his hypocrisy and not even run for re-election.


Take a serious look at what Obama is doing.

Obama is ruining any chances he has to do anything in the next election.

Ask around - ask the people around you who are really involved with politics -


They are all done with Obama.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

When he wasn't cutting off Republicans who stuck to budget specifics and cited legislative page numbers and language instead of treacly, sob-story anecdotes involving dentures and gallstones, Obama was filibustering the talk-a-thon away by invoking his daughters, rambling on about auto insurance and sniping at former GOP presidential rival John McCain. "We're not campaigning anymore," lectured the perpetual campaigner-in-chief.

After ostentatiously disputing the GOP's claims that health care premiums would rise under his plan, Obama walked it back. Confronted with more GOP pushback on the failure of Demcare to control costs, Obama told GOP Rep. Paul Ryan that he'd rather not "get bogged down in numbers." Not numbers that he couldn't cook on the spot without staff consultation, anyway.

Obama and the Democrats labored mightily to create the illusion of almost-there bipartisanship by repeatedly telling disagreeing Republicans that "we don't disagree" and "there's not a lot of difference" between us. But the dogs weren't riding the ponies in this show.

This was a set-up from the start. The "we're so close" mantra is the rhetorical wedge the White House will use to blame Republicans for fatal obstructionism, while whitewashing festering opposition from both pro-life Democrats who oppose the government funding of abortion services still in the plan and left-wing progressives in the House who are clinging to a full, unadulterated public option.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you blert, that Brown is an interesting character and pretty much a blank slate right now.

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Blert about Scott Brown. He surprisingly won an election for them and they will be glad to send him around to smile and wave and attract some younger voters.

Listen to his opinions? Give him any role in policy or leadership? No. The GOP is NOT going to be happy with him over the long run -- unless they break him properly.
Like Dede Scozzafava, Collins, Snowe and Romney his electorate has guaranteed that he is a RINO.

Posted by: margaretmeyers

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In a way, margaret, I agree, although Republicans might throw Brown a few bones a) to keep him happy and b) to reinforce his position back home. He'll be important as a vote that can be swung, which makes him one of the handful of people who might shape compromise bills, but as a Republican ideological leader? No. As a presidential candidate? No.

What I'm still not sure about Brown on is how his fiscal conservatism squares with his more moderate policy positions. It's hard to see how someone fiscally conservative can advocate government expansion in a massive health insurance scheme. Ideologically, something seems jarring in this to me, and Brown has yet to demonstrate exactly how he balances these positions. What is clear is that a $15 billion jobs bill is ideologically compatible with Brown's fiscal conservatism, which still leaves me wondering what "fiscal conservatism" actually means to him. Give him a year or two, and I think we'll all know better, but for now he's just an enigma.

Republican enigmas who win elections in Massachusetts can excite other Republicans, but I don't know that I'd treat him as a Republican leader quite yet.

Posted by: blert | February 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

drindl


Go stuff it

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Paul Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, just launched a full-bore assault on the faulty assumptions behind the claim that the Obama health care plan will reduce the deficit. Obama didn't even bother questioning Ryan's presentation. He changed the subject to Medicare Advantage. The expression on the president's face as Ryan made his case was absolutely priceless. Simply put, he looked like someone who realizes he's met his match.

and he will defeat the messiah next time around, Goody.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

FLA should be fun to watch:

"The Florida Republican Senate primary race is already a knock-down, drag-out fight -- and it's still six months before the primary itself. This week's new development -- with the news of leaked documents showing that Marco Rubio charged more than $100,000 to the state GOP's credit card when he was speaker of the state House, some of it on personal expenses -- is just the latest example.

I asked Rick Wilson, a Republican political consultant in Florida, how dirty and personal he thinks the campaign could get, with six months still left to go in the primary. "I expect a scorched earth, smoking, radioactive wasteland, a postapocalypic Mad Max hellscape. That's what I expect," Wilson said with a laugh. "It's a big job in the third largest state. Stakes are high."

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

leapin


Obama's position is a whole lot worse than the polls indicate - people simply will not consider voting for him .... ever again.

Obama was given a chance by the American People - he betrayed their trust.

If Obama stuck closer to his campaign themes, he would be far better off.


Anyway, Obama made history as one of the worse Presidents in the history of the country.


Passing a bill that doesn't get funded the following year - and gets repealed the day after Obama leaves office is not going to help Obama at all.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Blert about Ryan.

I agree with the Ds who have posted that the list is not impressive. That is not the point, however. These are not my favorite Rs, either. That is not the point, either.

My least fave R, Goodhair, will make the list if he is reelected governor of the largest red state in America.
That may be the point.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

While Barack Obama was making his latest pitch for a brand new, even more unsustainable entitlement at the health care "summit," thousands of Greeks took to the streets to riot. An enterprising cable network might have shown the two scenes on a continuous split-screen - because they're part of the same story. It's just that Greece is a little further along in the plot: They're at the point where the canoe is about to plunge over the falls. America is further upstream and can still pull for shore,

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Here we have the new master of projection, unconscious self-description and hilarious lack of self-awareness -- it just doesn't get any better psychologically. Wow -- one for the books.

"You really are stupid - It is obvious that Scott Brown is from Massachusetts and he is going to have to do some things to please his electorate. The Republicans want to hold the seat.

Boy, you really just say anything, don't you ??

You have no sense of common decency, do you? Unbelievable troll.


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Posted by: 37thand0street "

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

After the Democrats regained control of the House in 2006, Nancy Pelosi promised NBC's Brian Williams that she would "drain the swamp" and "turn this Congress into the most honest and open Congress in history." So when news broke that a House Ethics committee found that long time New York Democratic Congressman Charles Rangel accepted corporate money for trips to the Carribean one would think Williams would be all over the story – he wasn't. On Thursday's NBC Nightly News Williams completely ignored the charges, as did ABC's World News Tonight.

corrupt Lib??? shrug.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Now the dingbat dribbl, who can't count to six without removing her clogs, is some sort of math and sampling theory expert.

Liberals are getting ever more detached from reality.

Posted by: drivl | February 26, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Is the deal that Obama made with the pharmaceutical companies' lobbyists still in the bill?


Is the "doctor fix" deal that Obama made with the doctors' lobbyists still in the bill, or was it passed already ?


Is the deal that Obama made with the health equipment manufacturers' lobbyists still in the bill ????


Was the deal Obama made with the lobbyists for the hospitals in Connecticut still in the bill ?

We need a score card to track exactly what has been happening ????


Whatt.......... you don't think any of this should be transparent ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The only problem is the latest polls provide no support for his position. A new Gallup Poll finds that, by 52% to 39%, those surveyed oppose attempts by Democrats to circumvent a filibuster by passing health care by a simple majority vote. A separate poll by CNN found that only 25% of voters want Congress to pass a bill similar to the ones already voted on by the House and Senate. A full 48% want Congress to start over, and 25% want lawmakers to stop working on health care altogether.

That voters don't understand "procedures inside the Senate" is also belied by the election of Scott Brown in Massachusetts, who attracted even Democrats to vote for him by promising to be the 41st vote to uphold a Senate filibuster of ObamaCare.

Vice President Joe Biden thought he was doing his boss a favor during the summit when he shot down Republican arguments about the public's opposition to ObamaCare, but he wound up sounding like a critic of Mr. Obama's own lecture to Republicans. "I'm always reluctant after being here 37 years to tell people what the American people think. I think it requires a little bit of humility to be able to know what the American people think," Mr. Biden told the meeting.

Of course, there is some evidence beyond public opinion polls that the public is upset about the Democratic health care bills. Voters in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts -- states that represent almost a tenth of the nation's population -- have all held statewide elections in the last three months that were won by staunch opponents of ObamaCare.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

bobbywc


Perry threw the red meat to the crowd - who devoured it.

Kay gave Texans no reason to vote for her - she acted like she was going to come down from Washington and the office was hers for the taking.

Seriously, what kind of Governor would she be?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

This afternoon, while speaking on the floor of the House of Representatives, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) defended the role of Washington lobbyists, saying that they “do a very effective and useful job on this Hill” and went as far as to say that “somebody needs to stand up” for them:"

Posted by: drindl
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Obama has contrary to his promises.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

margaretmeyers |

You really are stupid - It is obvious that Scott Brown is from Massachusetts and he is going to have to do some things to please his electorate. The Republicans want to hold the seat.

Boy, you really just say anything, don't you ??

You have no sense of common decency, do you? Unbelievable troll.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

There is a poll out of Texas which indicates Gov. Perry leads Hutchison 48 to 27% just days before the Primary. We have been early voting for two weeks.

For me this poll tells me there is a backlash against anyone in Washington Rep. or Dem. The Republican leadership better take note of this. It seems to me a truly Independent minded Dem could beat a Washington insider in just about any contested Senate race

I am no big fan of Rasmussen, but in this poll its history of getting it right even when it means Dem winning is quite impressive.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/election_2010_texas_republican_primary_for_governor

Posted by: bobbywc | February 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Armpeg


I think Obama has given up any hope of re-election - this is what he said to Diane Sawyer - he is going to go for whatever he can now - and forget about re-election.

It seemed weird the topic would come up when it did - however Obama had an answer thought out.


It also appeared that Obama had already done his re-election calculations and decided to disregard the sentiments of the American People while he was in office.


It makes sense from Obama's actions.

Obama is a LAME DUCK - AND HE IS ONLY GOING TO CONTINUE TO SINK. He knows it's over - he knows that he can't come back from this mess.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Blert about Scott Brown. He surprisingly won an election for them and they will be glad to send him around to smile and wave and attract some younger voters.

Listen to his opinions? Give him any role in policy or leadership? No. The GOP is NOT going to be happy with him over the long run -- unless they break him properly.
Like Dede Scozzafava, Collins, Snowe and Romney his electorate has guaranteed that he is a RINO.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Standing up for lobbyists -- hey, it's a dirty job, someone's got to do it...


"The Center for Public Integrity reported recently that the health care debate kept more than 4,500 lobbyists employed at various points throughout the year, effectively drowning out the voices of the American public. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said these lobbyists descend “into the offices of members of Congress and say, ‘Don’t vote for change. Keep the status quo alive.’”

This afternoon, while speaking on the floor of the House of Representatives, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) defended the role of Washington lobbyists, saying that they “do a very effective and useful job on this Hill” and went as far as to say that “somebody needs to stand up” for them:"

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

the way it works...

'Last night and today, Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY) filibustered an extension of unemployment benefits, telling Democrats who were trying to pass the bill “tough sh*t.” Benefits will expire for many workers on Sunday. Both Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) and Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) have supported Bunning, with Cornyn saying, “somebody has to stand up, finally, and say enough is enough.”

But not all Republicans are pleased with Bunning’s antics. Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) said that he is trying to contact Bunning because the bill also contains transportation funding that, if allowed to expire, will lead to furloughs of employees of the Federal Highway Administration:

U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., said the money for road projects runs out over the weekend. Inhofe’s office also said employees of the Federal Highway Administration will have to be furloughed beginning next week. Inhofe, who is a key player on transportation issues in Congress, said he has tried to contact Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., who blocked action on the bill that would have extended roads funds and jobless benefits.

“I’m going to call in all my chits,” Inhofe said. “We are great friends.”…Inhofe said he hopes to get the impasse resolved by the time the Senate returns on Monday."

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Chris, surprisingly you didn't mention Ron Paul at CPAC. He garnered 31% of the straw poll vote, much to the chagrin of the Cro Magnon contingent who never met a man of integrity they didn't instinctively dislike.

Paul is not welcome in the GOP and should switch back to Libertarian or become an Independent. That would be a gift to his supporters, especially if his anti-abortion views are personal and not politically motivated.

Posted by: Kelly14 | February 26, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Rasmussen is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the R party. Their polling questions are so loaded and slanted it's a joke-- and they oversample Republicans to a degree that is laughable. Additionally, their methodology is suspect and non-representative.

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Todays Rasmussen Poll:
Obama Approval Down to 44%.
and
Only 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way Barack Obama is performing his role as President.

Bye, bye Comrade Obama in 2012. Don't let the WH door hit your a**.
Take heart though. Hugo Chavez, and Videl and Raul Castro still like you.

Posted by: armpeg | February 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

What do you hate about Santorum?

Posted by: leapin

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I don't think I was expressing any particular disdain or admiration for Santorum. I was just evaluating his position in the political sphere, and any hatred I discussed was attributed to the far left, who are still livid years after Santorum left office over his stances on homosexuality and abortion. I'm not sure that my own opinions of him really came into the discussion at all.

Posted by: blert | February 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama has DECLARED WAR AGAINST THE AMERCAN PEOPLE.

Obama does not care what the American People think.


Obama intends to IMPOSE HIS WILL - NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES - IS THE BURNING OF THE REICHSTAG NEXT ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Ryan is by far the most capable of these nitwits, but no one makes the leap from House to White House. If he moves to the Senate, look for him to run in 2016 or 2020.

Posted by: koolkat_1960

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Perhaps Ryan will, but it would be a pretty epic showdown in Wisconsin were he to take on one of the two long-standing senators there. Feingold and Kohl would both be hard battles. In Kohl, Ryan would have a wealthy (i.e., well funded) opponent who is a reliable Democrat, even if not outstanding. In Feingold, it would be a showdown of two men with the same hometown, one an ideological stalwart of progressives and the other of conservatives. Feingold would probably be the bigger challenge, just because he earns so much respect as a straight-shooter, even if he is more liberal than all but a few parts of the state, and that race would be a political junkie's dream.

You're right that jumping from House to presidency is unlikely, but then so is jumping from Senate to presidency. Up until this past year, senators were 0-for-what over the last few decades? Kennedy was the last senator elected before Obama, if memory serves me.

Ryan has shown no interest in running for Wisconsin governor, even though the seat is open this year and he would be the instant Republican frontrunner. That would probably be the more natural stepping stone to the presidency, but he seems firmly set on staying in the House. And as quickly as he is moving up in House seniority and leadership, he might carve himself out a very prominent position there very soon.

Posted by: blert | February 26, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Paul Ryan, the man that Obama had no retort for, aaa.ah...ah..we need to move on.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I am Jake's hobby.

Or the subject of his fascination.

Stalker.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Any union member or minority that doesn't vote the big D is ostracized for how long? Like life. Now that’s robotic control you can count on.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>

Bush won a majority of the Latino vote note that long ago. Democrats typically take only 90% of the black vote, so even that's a canard. As for union members, go talk to a Teamster.

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 26, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

He actually graduated from Norfolk Academy (in Virginia, not the UK) in 1972.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 26, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Never in American History has a President resorted to such LIES AND DECEPTIONS TO GET A BILL THROUGH.


Before Congress, Obama made more commitments which are simply NOT IN THE BILL.


1) Obama said the health care bill would be paid for - it is NOT - it is $3 TRILLION IN THE RED


2) Obama said that illegal aliens would not be covered - LOOK IN THE BILL


3) Obama said that abortion provision in federal law would not be changed - the Senate version throws out the Stupak Amendment


Obama lied in front of Congress in September - it is that simple.


The democrats on here who are defending Obama are defending a liar and a person who has been trying to deceive the country for a year.


This is a DISGRACE


IT IS SHAMEFUL


NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS EVER HAPPENED IN AMERICAN HISTORY.


OBAMA - I HAVE ONE THINK TO TELL YOU - IT IS NOT THE COLOR YOUR SKIN, IT IS THE CONTENT OF YOUR CHARACTER.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Yes koolkat_1960, listen to noacoler's advice. It won't do you much good whining to CC about nasty comments a Republican commentator like myself dishes out to you slimeballs, when you far-left wingers always dish out by far worse comments in just about every comment you guys make to us. Like the saying goes, you can dish it out, but you can't take it.
Although our resident poofter noacoler can't spell 'undeliverable'--which is not surprising having probably been educated in a low-level British ghetto somewhere--this heshe does have a tiny bit of common sense.

Posted by: armpeg | February 26, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh look. 37th awakens, lifts his head from his keyboard, wipes the spittle off the UOHJKN keys, and starts in another productive day.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Is this a joke? The Republican lineup will be like bringing in a AA baseball team to play the world series against the Yankees. The Republican party keeps making the mistake of picking people that swear loyalty to the Republican ideals and by doing this they end up with robots that can't walk and chew gum at the same time and become puppets with the guy (big money)behind the curtain pulling all the strings.

Posted by: lunetrick
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Any union member or minority that doesn't vote the big D is ostracized for how long? Like life. Now that’s robotic control you can count on.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama appears to have quit any efforts at re-election - if his current actions are any indication.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Sarah! Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 26, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't hate Santorum but he REALLY creeps me out. His holier-than-thou obsession with other people's sex lives is unhealthy to begin with, but his constant references to weird and kinky stuff like 'man-on-dog sex' is really revolting.

Who spends their time thinking about this stuff? Not normal people. Maybe some repressed puritanical denier protesting too much? Back in Salem he surely would have been the witch-burner in chief.

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Koolkat: why bother? Don't be surprised if your email bounces as undelivetable. If wapo lets outright drool cases like 37th and cretinous bigots like Jake have free rein all day then you really think they're going to do anything about a fifth grader flinging pooh?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Santorum's fixation on private sexual matters is revolting.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 26, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I just reported armpit's disgusting rant.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

What is there to like about Santorum? A social conservative loser.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

So here's a second list, consisting of other people mentioned in the comments. Equally laughable.

Ron Paul
Jim DeMint
Dick Armey
Glenn Beck
Rush Limbaugh
Bob Corker
Rick Santorum
Paul Ryan

Ryan is by far the most capable of these nitwits, but no one makes the leap from House to White House. If he moves to the Senate, look for him to run in 2016 or 2020.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 26, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Brown sure seems out of place on this list of exo-skeletons! Somebody check the shelf dates on these preservatives!!! LOL

Posted by: joneshn"

Brown is kind of interesting. I don't think he himself will become any kind of Republican fixture, but his win should be telling the party brass "hey, if you at least PRETEND to be moderate, you can win anywhere, even Massachusetts." You can say the same thing about the gubernatorial victories in NJ and VA.

We'll see, I guess. We're going to get a lot of data points soon with guys like Rubio, Toomey, and Heyworth all running.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Right now, I'd argue that Santorum's strongest credential is that after Palin, Cheney, Bush, Limbaugh, and Beck, the far left hates Santorum with more vitriol than they hate just about anyone else. Who knows? That alone might be enough to put Santorum in the discussion in a Republican primary if he decides to go the presidential route. I doubt he'd get it, but he would get a lot of attention, partly from conservatives, but mainly from the far left who would be screaming and cursing so loudly and profanely that nobody with an ear to politics could miss hearing Santorum's name over and over again.

Posted by: blert
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What do you hate about Santorum?

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Why no outcry about how expensive attending CPAC and SRLC is? Funny how that was such a made-up controversy re: the TEA Party Convention.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 26, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse"

Joke: CPAC and SRLC don't hold themselves out as "grass-roots" events like the teabagger soiree. Your question is moronic.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 26, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Is this a joke? The Republican lineup will be like bringing in a AA baseball team to play the world series against the Yankees. The Republican party keeps making the mistake of picking people that swear loyalty to the Republican ideals and by doing this they end up with robots that can't walk and chew gum at the same time and become puppets with the guy (big money)behind the curtain pulling all the strings.

Posted by: lunetrick | February 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Lets face the FACTS: Republicans have been and are utter complete lunatics.
Which translated means that Republicans are paid agents of Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc.) and to get away with this Con Job they say any insane thing, such as "Government cannot do anything..." which translated means pay Taxes and get nothing for your Taxes, but have your Taxes go for the benefit of the Super rich which control the Big Corporations.

Complete article here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

Posted by: RealNews1 | February 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul's exclusion from this list isn't an oversight, though some or most of the inclusions are.  Scott Brown?  He hasn't even done anything yet but a few votes.

Ron Paul has a passionate albeit tiny following, but among Republicans he's nothing more than a vote.  The few good ideas he has are diluted to insignificance by so very many bad ones.  Close all foreign military bases?  Count me in.  Gold standard?  In 2010?  Get bloody real.  The guy is an idiot.  Libertarianism isn't taken seriously in the GOP, nor should it be, it's just part of the sick and sorry coalition they need to get votes, piling oligarchists in with fundamentalist loonies and war-lovers to get enough votes from an easily deluded public.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

we have a nice polite thread going and someone has to come along a take a crap on it.

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

You know the practically all Fix radical-left Democrap Socialist commenters here are scared sh**less of what they know inside will happen in the 2012 presidential election, when they're already whistling past the graveyard wondering just who the Republicans will run against their incompetent F*** up Obama 3 years from now.
It's a good indicator though. Whoever these Socialist/Communist Obama--worshippers hate the most, is the Republicans and the patriotic Americans best candidate--not that we need a great candidate to beat the effeminate dope we now have in the WH. With the Keystone Cop--like way Obama is governing, and our economy by then probably in by far worse shape by then, we could probably run Donald Duck and win.

Posted by: armpeg | February 26, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Where is Jim DeMint? Dick Armey? Glenn Beck? Rush Limbaugh?

Any of these is far more influential than most of the people on your list, Chris. Scott Brown will be quickly off the list, having already been written off by the base for being insuffiently idelogical after one vote.

Tim pawlenty, Mitch Daniels and John Thune are so charisma challenged they are coma inducing.

And Romney is just too slick and alien for a big chunk of the base to ever really embrace.

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

@blert: I'll be 56 next month.  I remember the Contract and Gingrich's "principles" from long ago.  Pardon me if I wasn't impressed then and am less so now.  Yes Gingrich stood for principles, but he didn't stand for ideas or ideals.  He believes passionately in and argues clearly within the framework of those principles, yesssss Precious, but you're neglecting to note that those principles are false and unworkable.  They're the same tired Reaganomics that have led us to the greatest economic disaster in three quarters of a century.  Google Immanuel Kant and the Kritik der Reine Vernünft.
It's not
enough by itself to have principles.  They need to be good ones.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Of course the winner of the CPAC straw poll should be on this list, but adding Ron Paul would make it all the more laughable. Still, I'd like to why CC does not think Ron Paul is more important than say Mitch Daniels.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"But, CPAC was only the first of many markers on the road to influence -- and the road to 2012. The next major test will come in early April in New Orleans at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference where every candidate mentioned as a potential presidential candidate will be in attendance and speaking."

Question, CC -- you say Palin will be an SRLC? Is she getting paid? Her default position so far has been if she doesn't she won't show up.

Posted by: drindl | February 26, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The only thing bipartisan right now is A BIPARTISAN MAJORITY AGAINST OBAMA.

Obama's disapproval is now at 55%

Obama looks like he is throwing in the towel on re-election.

This is what he alluded to with Diane Sawyer.

The democrats are in for rough rough ride -

Obama is sinking faster than a lead ball off an iron ship

Obama is doing nothing to help himself or the democrats.

Every man for himself

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

More evidence of Cillizza's turbo-charged shallowness. I guess hw feels a need to compensate for yesterday's first ever positive mention of President Obama.

This reads more like a celebrity sheet. Does anyone care if Mitch Daniels wants to run for President? Does anyone think Sarah Palin can do anything to establish credibility? Does anyone think Scott Brown our most junior Senator, has established himself already as havi h leadership potential? Does anyone think that Gingrich, relic of a bygone era, matters at all today?

And don't get me started on Pawlenty. Do you have a crush on this fool or something?

Posted by: Noacoler

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You really show yourself to be out of touch with this post, both in terms of the Fix and in terms of Republican politics. For one, it would take about five minutes of skimming archived Fix columns to find a half dozen positive mentions of Obama. CC compliments Obama all the time, and the general complaint here during the election was the CC had a love affair with Obama. Now he has to put up with you saying the opposite.

As for the list, yes, in a way, it is a celebrity sheet, and celebrity often drives who is the next presidential candidate and who leads the party. Boehner and McConnell aren't here because while they hold leadership positions, they don't amount to much as leaders. Other Republicans are listening instead to the kind of people on this list.

I mostly agree with you about Palin and Brown, as I posted before, but you're wrong about Gingrich. Gingrich marked the last time that Republicans stood on principle as a governing party, and Gingrich is one of the few offering a clear, principled path for Republicans right now. Whether he is setting up a presidential run or not, he is in a lot of people's ears.

And Pawlenty? Yeah, the Fix has been watching Pawlenty for a long time, and like someone who picks a horse, I think CC wants to see this one through to the end of the race. However, I don't think that ranking someone #4 and saying that the person had an uneven week is exactly gushing over him.

Posted by: blert | February 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Because this is all guesswork, I will offer mine that Sen. Brown will not be a major player but Sen. Corker will.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 26, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm kind of surprised Ron Paul isn't on the list. I guess he's more of an outsider in Republican circles, but I do think he represents a way for the Republicans back to power. Think Ross Perot, but in a mainstream political party. He's not my guy, but his ideas do sound attractive to many independent minded people and even some left-leaners. I know quite a few people who voted for Obama only because Paul failed to capture the nomination. And while Paul is a Republican, he doesn't really "seem" like a Republican and despite working in DC, he has the feeling of an outsider and people are really clamoring for that.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Brown sure seems out of place on this list of exo-skeletons! Somebody check the shelf dates on these preservatives!!! LOL

Posted by: joneshn | February 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Blert, I really enjoyed your post.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The scariest Republican, and most credible conservative, that I see positioning to burst from nowhere on the radar to potential winning candidate is Rick Santorum. On a debate stage, he would savage a Sarah Palin, or even a Mitt Romney. His being from PA makes many overlook how far right he actually is.

Posted by: bpriest2

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Santorum is an interesting one, but his last public activity was losing reelection, which doesn't bode well for him, and although he seems to be staging a bit of a comeback right now, I am not sure how much traction he will get. Certainly not enough to put him on this list yet, in my opinion.

Right now, I'd argue that Santorum's strongest credential is that after Palin, Cheney, Bush, Limbaugh, and Beck, the far left hates Santorum with more vitriol than they hate just about anyone else. Who knows? That alone might be enough to put Santorum in the discussion in a Republican primary if he decides to go the presidential route. I doubt he'd get it, but he would get a lot of attention, partly from conservatives, but mainly from the far left who would be screaming and cursing so loudly and profanely that nobody with an ear to politics could miss hearing Santorum's name over and over again.

Posted by: blert | February 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

More evidence of Cillizza's turbo-charged shallowness. I guess hw feels a need to compensate for yesterday's first ever positive mention of President Obama.

This reads more like a celebrity sheet. Does anyone care if Mitch Daniels wants to run for President? Does anyone think Sarah Palin can do anything to establish credibility? Does anyone think Scott Brown our most junior Senator, has established himself already as havi h leadership potential? Does anyone think that Gingrich, relic of a bygone era, matters at all today?

And don't get me started on Pawlenty. Do you have a crush on this fool or something?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 26, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

SRLC is about $125, I think. Although I'm sure they have some VIP program.

I just realized that the convention is right next to the casino. I'm sure a lot of them will go there. Might be a good way to garner up some beer moneys.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Jake,
What are the cost of attendance at CPAC and SRLC?

Posted by: AndyR3 | February 26, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Brown is ranked too highly. He's had his 15 minutes of fame, and now he is on the road to being just another senator. What makes him interesting is that he's a moderate, which positions him to make a lot of those swing votes. This gives him a degree of power in the Senate, where both parties will angle for his vote, but each time Brown bucks his party to vote for Democrats, he loses luster among Republicans. If the jobs bill is any indication, Brown may do this often, which means he will be powerful in the Senate, but not as much in the Republican Party.

This list is also missing Paul Ryan of Wisconsin. Yesterday's summit confirmed what a lot of people knew for a long time, that Ryan is the rising star of the House. In terms of combining a youthful, sharp image with wonk, few compare with him, and even before the summit Ryan was already driving a lot of policy ideas within the Republican Party.

I'm also skeptical about ranking Palin so highly, and Romney, too, to an extent. Palin is very popular among an increasingly narrow crowd. But that crowd seems to shrink instead of expand, and too many Republicans think that she shouldn't run for president, or that she wouldn't have a chance if she did.

As for Romney, the last time he held any public office was when? Yes, in the Republican pecking order, he is awaiting coronation as the next presidential candidate, and he's certainly moving a lot within Republican circles to try to keep himself relevant, and he is campaigning for other people. Romney certainly deserves a spot on this list, but in terms of defining the party, driving policy discussions, and other such matters, Romney isn't really in the middle of things, at least not publicly.

Posted by: blert | February 26, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize the SRLC is so soon. Must start scheming to get free food. I've got a few ideas already.

Any idea how many people come to these things? I'm not sure I want to share my weekends with a bunch of people who feel that New Orleans shouldn't be rebuilt.

Although, hopefully the large black population will discourage people from actually doing anything in the city.

Posted by: DDAWD
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Good racist commentary.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

That's not the "only" way.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 26, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The scariest Republican, and most credible conservative, that I see positioning to burst from nowhere on the radar to potential winning candidate is Rick Santorum. On a debate stage, he would savage a Sarah Palin, or even a Mitt Romney. His being from PA makes many overlook how far right he actually is.

Posted by: bpriest2 | February 26, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

mbcnewspaper is correct, this list is Obama's Ace in the hole. Only economic devastation leading to voter desperation could launch one of these people past him in 2016.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the republijerks certainly do "rank", as in "very offensive in smell or taste"

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | February 26, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain should still be on the list somehow.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Why no outcry about how expensive attending CPAC and SRLC is? Funny how that was such a made-up controversy re: the TEA Party Convention.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 26, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

According to Palin's ex-future son-inlaw she does not hunt or fish.

The NRA lost me years ago when they called law enforcement officers "Jack booted Thugs" and defended the likes of Tim McVeigh's right to buy massive amounts of gunpowder and explosives, no questions asked. Even George H.W. Bush had the sense to resign his lifetime membership.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | February 26, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize the SRLC is so soon. Must start scheming to get free food. I've got a few ideas already.

Any idea how many people come to these things? I'm not sure I want to share my weekends with a bunch of people who feel that New Orleans shouldn't be rebuilt.

Although, hopefully the large black population will discourage people from actually doing anything in the city.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

This is still a very weak field. Where these folks rank is almost immaterial. It's not saying much to be ranked #1 in a lineup filled with 8-8 teams (to use an NFL example). This is not a competition of superstar powerhouses with lots of gravitas. Right now, they're all pretty mediocre, and none of them has a prayer of beating Obama in 2012, no matter how low Obama's numbers may go. Nobody would've beaten JFK in '64, and nobody's gonna beat the media's reincarnate JFK in '12. Certainly none of these guys.

Posted by: mbcnewspaper | February 26, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

kk that was my joke. I guess it was a little too dry to be funny.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The NRA cannot diminish itself enough. It and Palin deserve each other.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 26, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The NRA is diminishing itself by having Sarah Palin headline their annual meeting.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 26, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

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