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The Line: The Four Elements of Great Primaries

There are a few necessary elements that take a good primary contest and turn it into a great one.

First, the two (or more) candidates each have to have a realistic win scenario. Quixotic candidacies are rarely the stuff great primaries are made of.

Second, the candidates must be on (somewhat) equal financial footing. If one candidate outspends the other by millions -- or tens of millions -- the fight isn't fair and the primary isn't great.

Third, the stakes must be high. So, for example, a primary to be the Democratic nominee in the Kansas Senate race -- where a Democrat hasn't won a Senate contest since 1932 -- is by definition less intriguing than that same primary on the Republican side.

Finally, and most importantly, there must be a genuine tension -- dislike is even better -- between the candidates and their respective campaigns. From that tension grows a willingness to throw haymakers at one another. "Nice" races are rarely the most memorable.

All of the races that make the Fix's top 10 list of best intraparty battles have all of the above traits in differing degrees. The number one contest on the Line -- regular Fix followers know which one it is -- could well be one of the greatest primaries in modern political history.

As always, your critiques and/or kudos are welcome in the comments section below.

To the Line!

10. Michigan Governor (R): Aside from the California gubernatorial primary, there is no state where more national Republican consultants are involved than this race in Michigan. State Attorney General Mike Cox and Rep. Pete Hoekstra are the frontrunners judging by the polls but businessman Rick Snyder's personal wealth and outsider image has the potential to make the race interesting. With the Michigan economy in dire straits, a win here would give Republicans a considerable foothold as they seek to rebuild the party's presence in the Upper Midwest. (Previous ranking: 7)

9. Colorado Senate (D): Appointed Sen. Michael Bennet (D) and the White House did everything to keep the Democratic primary field clear but they couldn't keep former state House Speaker Andrew Romanoff from running. Romanoff is already positioning himself to Bennet's ideological left although the Bennet forces insist that will be a tough sell given Romanoff's record in the state House. And, all ideology aside, it's clear that part of what motivated Romanoff's bid was the fact that he was passed over for the appointment by Gov. Bill Ritter (D). Romanoff is the ultimate party insider while Bennet is the classic political outsider. It's a bright contrast that will make for a terrific primary fight. (Previous ranking: N/A)

8. Kansas Senate (R): In small states where statewide openings come along once in a blue moon, the battle for the nominations are often epic. The primary between Reps. Jerry Moran and Todd Tiahrt is no exception. Both men have spent more than a decade serving in Congress and know each others' voting records up and down. And, the arrows are already being shot; to hear their detractors tell it, Moran is an indecisive, Hamlet while Tiahrt is way out of depth in a statewide race. Both men have a legitimate path to the nomination and whoever wins the primary almost certainly will be the state's next Senator given the atrocious record of Democrats winning statewide federal race in Kansas and the desultory Democratic field. (Previous ranking: N/A)

7. California Governor (D): This is a race that we had very high expectations for but it hasn't lived up to them just yet. State Attorney General Jerry Brown has crushed San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom in fundraising, and some within Brown's camp insist he is singularly focused on the possibility of a general election fight against former eBay CEO Meg Whitman. That's probably wishful thinking as Newsom still represents a formidable road block to Brown's chances. But, the Mayor needs to start showing some movement or run the risk of conventional wisdom cementing behind the idea that Brown will be the nominee. (Previous ranking: 3)

6. Illinois Governor (D): State Comptroller Dan Hynes' decision to challenge appointed Gov. Pat Quinn in 2010 has already produced some terrific moments. For example, earlier this week Quinn described Hynes as an "ankle biter" for the challenger's criticism of how the governor was going about funding the state's college scholarship program. Hynes is from a well-known and well-connected Democratic family in Chicago while Quinn's political roots are in the reform community. The contrasts are all there for a great one. And, we didn't even mention that this will determine disgraced former Gov. Rod Blagojevich's (D) successor! (Previous ranking: N/A)

5. Kentucky Senate (D): This race has already given us so much. First, there was state Attorney General Jack "I am one tough son of a bitch" Conway and now we have Lt. Gov. Dan Mongiardo caught on tape badmouthing Gov. Steve Beshear aka his most prominent supporter in the primary. Kentucky politics is always rough and tumble -- witness the battles between Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) and Sen. Jim Bunning (R) before the latter retired earlier this year -- and this race promises to be a classic of the genre. (Previous ranking: 5)

4. Connecticut Senate (R): With the prize of challenging embattled Sen. Chris Dodd (D) in next year's general election, this Republican primary already had high stakes. But, it got MUCH more interesting over the past month with World Wrestling Entertainment CEO Linda McMahon entering the race and immediately airing ads statewide -- including in the costly New York City media market -- introducing herself to the state's voters. And, did we mention that Peter Schiff, the economics adviser to Rep. Ron Paul's (Texas) presidential campaign and the man who predicted the economic collapse of the last year, is also running? (Previous ranking: 6)

3. California Governor (R): Former eBay CEO Meg Whitman's stumbles over her meager voting record and state Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner's efforts to turn this into a huge story bump the Republican primary up the Line this month. That Whitman had not voted -- or been registered to vote -- before 2002 is not great but is of little real concern to the average California voter. That Whitman appeared totally flustered and defensive when called out on her voting record should be worrisome to Whitman allies since there will undoubtedly be more peaks and valleys in the campaign to come. And, while most people forget about former Rep. Tom Campbell (R), they shouldn't. If this back and forth between Whitman and Poizner is symbolic of what's to come between the two of them, Campbell could well shoot the gap of voters disgusted with the back and forth. (Previous ranking: 4)

2. Pennsylvania Senate (D): You know it's a great primary when one candidate calls on the other to resign from office. That's exactly what Sen. Arlen Specter (D) did earlier this week, penning a letter to Rep. Joe Sestak (D) to highlight the number of votes the Congressman has missed while he has been out on the campaign trail. While Specter has a financial and organizational edge thanks to the White House's support, a new Quinnipiac poll suggests that the incumbent is not selling well with Democratic voters. (Previous ranking: 3)

1. Texas Governor (R): The race between Gov. Rick Perry and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison is already fully engaged with both sides' war rooms regularly sending out daily hits on the other that are touted as "game-changing". While polling shows the race close, most people we talk to believe that Perry is the favorite simply because his brand of conservatism more closely lines up with the average Texas Republican primary voter. KBH has been underestimated before, however, and has surrounded herself with a top-notch team of political operatives. Hutchison's challenge over the coming months is to make clear to voters the positive reasons why she is running and not simply rundown Perry; the governor's challenge is to show voters why someone in office for a decade needs/deserves four more years. (Previous ranking: 1)

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I was surprised that since the race for the GOP nominee for Utah's US 2010 Senate race is actually heating up, drawing people like Karl Rove for Senator Bob Bennett and Joe the Plumber for Cherilyn Eagar, along with (3) Term Utah A.G. Mark Shurtleff running, plus one or more candidates, you would move it off of the number 8 spot on your list.

The excitement of a 3rd term incumbent US Senator, running for re-election, with the potential that he might not even make it out of convention is amazing.

I hope as the race continues to draw national excitement, it be once again be placed on your top 10 list.

Posted by: Utah1 | October 9, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

For the record (and I point this out becuase it is a mistake often made), Quinn was not appointed. He was elected LT Governnor and was elevated, not appoined when Blago stepped down. Same goes for NY Gov. Paterson. Both were elected LT Gov, then elevated. Not appointed.

Posted by: d-tully | October 5, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party trying to re-build in a non-presidential year makes Republican primaries great! The last 8 years, President Bush and the Republican Washington establishment has endorsed & supported candidates to try to avoid primaries to keep as much power as they could in DC. Now that Bush is out of office and Republicans are minority statues in the House & Senate, more Republicans have more opportunities to run. With Obama's public approval ratings tanking and Democrats the grunt of anger by society, this gives Republicans even more reason to run and try to advance to higher office. With no Presidential Republican figure to endorse and play power-broker, the playing field is more even with conservatives & moderates. So let the primaries abound!

Also, in a few areas there are tough primaries in the democratic camp as well. But like the past 8 years, Obama has interjected himself and endorsed players that affect Washington DC power in an attempt to keep the peace in the Democratic caucus and play kingmaker. Example that has worked: In New York, he supported Kristen Gillbrand early and US Rep. Maloney dropped the primary challenge and it gives Gillbrand, at least seemingly, a clear shot to the GE. Examples when it didn't work: Pennsylvania when US Rep. Joe Sestek has decided to challenge US Democratic senator (turncoat) Arlen Specter. Plus in Colorodo, Obama's support to Bennett did not keep former Colorodo House Speaker Ramanoff out of the primary. On the Republican sides of this issue, Toomey has the Republican field to himself in Pa. and is the de-facto Republican nominee. He's already concentrating on the GE, and is even with Specter or Sestek. In Colorodo, former Lt. Gov. Jane Norton is in the US Senate race and is the favorite over Bennett or Ramanoff. Both primaries will be costly and will hurt democratic chances in both primaries. But other than those 2, the Washington Democratic establishment is keeping peace in the family.

Posted by: reason5 | October 5, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Arguing with idiots.


yeah like you have so many options of other things to do that come here and call others idiots.

the idiot is the one who couldn't stay out of the booby hatch.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

The liberal master debater makes no point, backs it up with nothing and concludes zilch.

Mmmm. Mmmm. Mmm

all those facts went complety over the heads of the opposing libs. Like bird brain knows any math. Pppfffffffttt.

When the commies throw him in prison for acts, he will be the first to call for help.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Arguing with idiots.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"No question. Louisiana is in the losers hall of fame, right next to Juan Williams, Charbucks coffee, and "37thandO." :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe"

Well, the Saints are doing at least as well as whatever team you root for. Probably better.

It's funny how how zook can't take a cue from emmitt two threads ago. If you want to see a conservative who knows how to debate and back things up with facts, look there.

If you want to see someone who copies and pasts all day long, is incapable of responding to argument, and whines when people don't consider him a genius, you're already in the right place.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 4, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Drivl begats drivl. Running low on ideas cut from huff, it offers a glance in the looking glass.

The voices in the head still confusing we and they.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

but joe, neither of them comes here to talk TO other people, to connnect with them, just to spew. anyway, you should know, snowflake is the new name for kinofzouk, who was banned, and he has been on this blog 24/7 ranting for years now.

Intersitng what Joe Scarborough has to say about the olympics too. I seldom agree with him, but this is true:

'Count me as one conservative who is disappointed that President Obama's hometown will not be hosting the 2016 Olympic Games.

Chicago is a beautiful city that would have made a perfect backdrop for the Olympics. The President was right to fly to Copenhagen to try to land the games, not for the sake of his city, but for the good of his country. The fact President Obama failed makes me respect him more for taking the chance, and the fact many right-wing figures opposed the President's mission shows just how narrow-minded partisanship makes us.'

Posted by: drindl | October 4, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

poor snowflake.flakey's got no job, no friends, no family.

what a lonely, useless life, sitting at a computer alone and posting hate on a blog all day long, every day. pathetic.

Posted by: drindl | October 4, 2009 12:30 PM

@d: In all fairness, this MO did get JakeD somewhere. For posting foolish anti-BHO rants 24/7 over the last year, JakeD now owns this blog, which has been re-named "Jake's Place." Maybe "snow" is aspiring to that? :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 4, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

poor snowflake.flakey's got no job, no friends, no family.

what a lonely, useless life, sitting at a computer alone and posting hate on a blog all day long, every day. pathetic.

Posted by: drindl | October 4, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Looks like barrys brain- Valerie Jarrett, has a lot to learn about effective leadership. Must be hard coming from a region with no opposition, where anything goes, legal, ethical or not.

One single success, on anything, is urgent for this present ident to not spin any further into Carter comparisons.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

First. Not a conservative

second. Doing the job of investigative reporting that the nytimes and other effette medium is not harmful.

Unless you are hiding something.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

here's some nice footage of glenn beck crying on cue:

Posted by: drindl | October 4, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

In an interview today with Time’s Karen Tumulty, former Republican Senate Majority Leader Dr. Bill Frist dismissed the GOP’s balking over health care legislation. Underscoring how much Republicans have become the “party of no” and how much the Senate Finance Committee legislation has been watered-down, Frist said that if he were still in office, he would vote for the bill. “I would end up voting for it,” he said. “As leader, I would take heat for it. … That’s what leadership is all about.” Frist has already come out for the individual mandate and has said that Democrats would be well within legal and ethical guidelines using the reconciliation process to pass health reform. In his interview with Tumulty, Frist also took issue with his party’s fearmongering, saying that “death panels and public plan arguments have been overblown.”

Posted by: drindl | October 4, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

David Brooks, the conservative, is right about this:

On "Meet the Press," David Brooks reiterated his critique of talk radio from Friday's Times, calling Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin "loons" and "harmful for America."

Posted by: drindl | October 4, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Retching madcow of msdnc is so far out of her league on mtp. Russert is rolling over in his grave.

I don't think anyone wants to appear on NBC with the grand poofdah. The national Barack channel is going to need a bailout

I heard nervous laughter when snl joked about taking four months to pick a dog. Not an intelligent audience in that studio. But lady gaga and Madonna, the ultimate thinkers of liberalism showed up.

If you want to be the next official skank, are you required to kiss Madonna?

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Looks like one of the philanderig republicans is in deeper trouble than first thought -- from the FBI:

'Late last week, the New York Times documented new ethics problems for Sen. John Ensign (R-NV). In an effort to cover-up an affair he was having with the wife of one of his top staffers, Ensign asked his corporate allies to give that aide — Doug Hampton — a lobbying job. Despite rules that prohibit congressional staffers from lobbying for one year after leaving their government position, Ensign nevertheless helped Hampton line up lobbying clients and then “repeatedly intervened on the companies’ behalf with federal agencies.”

Ensign “could be legally at risk” if he knew that Hampton was violating the one-year ban, or if he aided and abetted him in doing so. Law enforcement officials told the Times that the F.B.I. is “likely to open a preliminary investigation” into the new accusations to determine whether a full investigation is warranted. The FBI inquiry would take precedence over a Senate ethics inquiry."

The 'family values' of the Hypocrit Party become more laughable every day.

Posted by: drindl | October 4, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Most presidents mess up a thing or two. Not until now has one flopped on every single thing. That is not bad luck. It is willful ineptitude.

Let's agree that future candidates should have more experience than giving speeches, acting centrist and hiding values.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

11 points is razor thin?

I guess that aligns with 8 percent is less than 10.

September is the deadline

lib math.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Now even Woodward admits Obama completely flubbed health care. He didn't say it was due to ineptness but read between the lines.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

But you must also know that va, fl and even nj are now headed back.

No, I don't know that but I acknowledge this space's weekly cheerleading for those results, as well for "Palin in 2012," "Pawlenty in 2012" and a "GOP comeback." Va. and NJ are razorclose so far. Anyway, congrats to your pal JakeD for his takeover of "the Fix," now named "Jake's Place." He really should consider applying for health insurance and benefits at the Post.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 4, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

No question. Louisiana is in the losers hall of fame, right next to Juan Williams, Charbucks coffee, and "37thandO." :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 4, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Even the libs on tingly legs are proclaiming obambi as a wimp and a wafflet. Iran has the bomb. Afghan is lost. Elections do matter.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

CC seems to always forget in his "predictions" that it is not the same game. Just because conventional wisdom says that the 'ruling party' in the WH always loses the first mid-term doesn't mean it's going to happen again. Most people are much better informed, and polls show that the majority want the public option, which the GOP is against, and will lose them any chance of grabbing independents. But just like Clarence Thomas didn't get that sexual innuendo with female co-workers is inappropriate, Chris doesn't "get it".

Posted by: katem1 | October 4, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

How unusually sensible bjoe. But you must also know that va, fl and even nj are now headed back. It seems the big fake has been revealed. It was such a stretch it took less than a year.

Posted by: snowbama | October 4, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Loser: State of Louisiana:

"In response to President Obama’s national address in February, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal pointedly went after stimulus funding for high-speed rail projects as “wasteful spending.” But in August, state officials began drafting plans to request $300 million in stimulus funds to develop a high-speed rail between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. An official in the state Department of Transportation and Development called the project “a very valuable economic incubator.” The plan had the backing of Louisiana legislators such as Rep. Anh “Joseph” Cao (R), who was pressing Jindal to request the money.

Earlier on Friday, Cao had still been optimistic that Jindal would file application for the funding, which was all ready to go. “We’re counting on his leadership in this goal to go beyond any party lines and do what’s right for Louisiana,” Cao said."

Posted by: drindl | October 4, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Correct. My "irrelevance" comment was an overstatement. One significance of BHO's was his changing the electoral map, including his victories in NC, Va., and Florida. In fact, demographic changes in TX, together with vigorous voter registration, could put TX in play in 2012.
Unless Jess Willard or Jim Jeffries are nominated, BHO should have smooth sailing in 2012.

Mark Lloyd (still surviving at the FCC despite Beck hate blasts)
The TO Show (no, seriously)
Steve Singiser (making sense of the bogus cherry-picked anti-BHO polls)
"Transporter 3"
Nancy [Dis]Grace (for her surprisingly excellent coverage of the Polanski story)
JakeD (for his successful conversion of "the Fix" into "Jake's Place", I guess?)
Clayton Moore

McDonnell's thesis (his "Gone With the Wind" of intolerance)
Deeds's non-campaign (few ads, a couple of tiny street signs (you can barely see his name), and no minority outreach)
"Morning" Joe show
"Crank 2"
MASH re-runs (completely unwatchable thanks to Alan Alda)
Juan Williams (natch)
Glenn Strange

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 4, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

It's official. Even snl has proclaimed present ident do nothing as a laughingstock. Funny and right on.

Posted by: snowbama | October 3, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

The "South" is hardly irrelevant. Obama won Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. The strip starting at S. Carolina and heading west to Texas is rock hard Republican, but there's plenty of room at the margins.


Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 3, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

The interesting thing to watch is the dynamics of the rightwing world as it gets crazier and starts cracking up. I do beleive the TV/ radio nuts have big audience and a certain power, but as they continue to get more violent and anti-government and try to out loony each other, some reliable conservative politicians have begun to distance themselves, which means they will become pariahs to the base who love their wingnut pundits.

This will create further primary challenges from the right, by loons so far out they'll never have a chance in a general election. Thus will shrink and end 'movement conservatism' and kill the beast once and for all.

'On Thursday, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) mocked Glenn Beck, stating that “only in America can you make that much money crying.” Graham added that Beck is “not aligned with any party as far as I can tell. He’s aligned with cynicism. And there’s always been a market for cynicism.” On his radio show yesterday, Beck responded to Graham, saying that Graham’s disdain was “a badge of honor”:

BECK: And yet Lindsey Graham comes out and Lindsey Graham gives a talk yesterday to, I guess this is a bunch of Republicans he’s speaking to? There are a lot of things I’ll wear as a badge of honor. Lindsey Graham hating my guts is probably the highest honor I’ve ever received. Judge me by my friends and judge me by my enemies. Thank you, Lindsey Graham.'

Posted by: drindl | October 3, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, it seems like the south's numbers are mitigated by astronomical numbers for him in the north. The lines for overall rating are pretty closely matched with numbers in the west and midwest. While Obama doesn't need to worry about the south, he does need to worry about the west and midwest. Much of his victory was predicated on places like Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico going blue this cycle. Victory will be a lot tougher in 2012 if he loses those states.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 3, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@d: you can do this with all the polls that disaggregate the results so you can eliminate the South's numbers.

It's the South--irrelevant to BHO in 2012 since they will never vote for him--that terribly skews all the polls. BHO's doin' just fine. BHO's opposition has no one to compete against him, 'cept Phalin, who loses to him by 23 points according to Marist. David Brooks of all people said the other day much of the perception that BHO is in trouble comes from the media obsession with the various broadcast bigots, who, he says, in the 2008 election had no influence, no impact (e.g., their favorites, Thompson and Romney, blew up on the launch pad).

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 3, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

One wonders if Kay Bailey Hutchison will be able to make any hay out of the fact that Perry has just canceled an investigation in a case where it sure looks like he executed an innocent man...

"Even by the standards of Texas's enthusiasm for state-sanctioned killing, this is pretty shocking...

A Texas scientific panel has been looking into possible missteps in a criminal investigation of a 1991 arson case which led to the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham. A recent New Yorker story about the case laid out compelling evidence that Willingham may well have been wrongly put to death.
The panel, the Texas Forensic Science Commission, was scheduled to hear today from a nationally recognized arson expert it had hired, Craig Beyler, who had last month released a report which called the original probe slipshod.

But on Wednesday, Texas governor Rick Perry abruptly removed three members of the commission. In their place, he appointed a new chair with a reputation as a hardline conservative prosecutor, who promptly canceled the hearing at which Beyler was to testify."

Posted by: drindl | October 3, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"This week, President Obama's favorability rating in the South stands at 25%, with 70% having an unfavorable view"

Thanks for the stats, joe. But unsurprising. After all, Sotherners still hate Abraham Lincoln.

Posted by: drindl | October 3, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Wow, finally, change we can believe in.
Both parties get together in the new spirit of bipartisanship, agreeing to make fun of each others' "family values" hypocrisy. What's next, Barney Frank trolling for dates at C Street prayer circles?

Posted by: shrink2"

It seems to me that the David Letterman stuff is their payback for his going after Sarah Palin. That's fine with me. He's no elected official. Not that his not being elected means his behavior is acceptable, but what he does doesn't hinder any Democrat or Republican agenda.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 3, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow, finally, change we can believe in.
Both parties get together in the new spirit of bipartisanship, agreeing to make fun of each others' "family values" hypocrisy. What's next, Barney Frank trolling for dates at C Street prayer circles?

Posted by: shrink2 | October 3, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Letterman's Top Ten Letters/Symbols after everyone realizes that he was having sex with employees WHILE in a long term relationship with the mother of his child that only in March led to marriage-
(making fun of politicians who cheat Dave?)

1. H
2. Y
3. P
4. O
5. C
6. R
7. I
8. T
9. E

Posted by: thecannula | October 3, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey cc. Welcome to the bigs. Saw you with dr k tonight on the good side. I only advised this hours ago. Very nimble and prescient.

I may have misunderestimated you.

Posted by: snowbama | October 2, 2009 6:46 PM

Snow, is "good side" a reference to Faux News?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 3, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

We have lots of Sarah Palins around here. They are a dime a dozen. She would never have been able to win the Governor's office in WA, nor OR, let alone become a Senator.

The fascination of the Southern and Eastern Republicans with this lady: Westward Ho!


Sometimes it feels to me like the Palin phenomenon is some elaborate and drawn out practical joke and everyone is trying to see who can keep a straight face and who's going to bust out laughing.

If you go to any of the Palin puff sites like you'll see nothing but defensiveness, aggrieved and angry denials. She didn't say that! She didn't mean that! Didn't! DIDN'T!!

(local example: "It was Tina Fey..." etc)

Running her on a national ticket would feel considerably less, well, serious, than Pat Paulson.

Now keep a straight face, guys.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 2, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

You were great tonight on the "dark side" network. I do hope you are going to be a regular You are truly a welcome addition.

Posted by: menopausequeen | October 2, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, maybe there is a possible point of political relevance from the Northwest.

We have lots of Sarah Palins around here. They are a dime a dozen. She would never have been able to win the Governor's office in WA, nor OR, let alone become a Senator.

The fascination of the Southern and Eastern Republicans with this lady: Westward Ho!

Posted by: shrink2 | October 2, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Solid, largely fact based post. Thanks for knowledge.

BTW, the DailyKos's Steve Singiser has a great rebuttal to the "BHO is slipping in the polls" false narrative.

Steve actually went inside one of the legitimate BHO polls and discovered BHO's so-called decline in approval is due to loss of support in...the South. If you take the South out of the picture (since they aren't going to vote for BHO under ANY circumstances), BHO is doing just fine.


"The second thing keeping Obama's numbers at bay is a factor that has been little mentioned in the traditional media, but is so glaring that it needs to be mentioned--the South. In future weeks, Daily Kos is considering disaggregating our numbers on our polling scoreboard (featured on the front page) by the South versus the rest of the nation. The differences are truly that stark.

This week, President Obama's favorability rating in the South stands at 25%, with 70% having an unfavorable view. While the net fav/unfav has been this wide before, this is the lowest positive favorability for the President in the South that we have seen all year."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 2, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey cc. Welcome to the bigs. Saw you with dr k tonight on the good side. I only advised this hours ago. Very nimble and prescient.

I may have misunderestimated you.

Posted by: snowbama | October 2, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Ok fine: Kudos!
I have to get vicarious delight from this because Oregon and Washington political battles never fulfill the third criterion.
Not from here, it was so much fun to be in New York last week.

This is a good line:
"You know it's a great primary when one candidate calls on the other to resign from office."

Posted by: shrink2 | October 2, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't think predicting the economic collapse shows prescience. Republicans were in charge. Collapse was inevitable.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

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