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The ever-expanding House playing field

Unlike the tiny House playing fields of years past -- we remember back in 1998 and 2000 when there were only two dozen or so truly competitive contests -- the number of real races this November continues to grow.

Political handicapper Charlie Cook carries 77 races in his most competitive categories while fellow handicapper Stu Rothenberg rates 53 contests as genuinely close.

The broadening of the playing field is rightly understood as working in Republicans favor for two reasons.

First, Democrats control far more seats at the moment so the growing number of targets are disproportionately in seats the majority party currently holds. Second, the more Democratic seats are in play, the higher Republicans' margin for error as they seek to take advantage of a national wind at their back to maximize gains.

Friday Line

Stuffing so many competitive races into a top 20 for the Friday Line is no easy task as it virtually ensures that several districts that don't make the Line could well switch party affiliation this fall.

We -- as always -- persevered for this month's Line but, in so doing, we have decided that starting with next month's ratings, we will expand the list to encompass the top 30 House seats likely to switch parties in the fall.

So, stay tuned. In the meantime, below you'll find our ratings of the twenty most likely switchers below. Agree? Disagree? The comments section awaits.

To the Line!

20. Virginia's 2nd district (D): Car dealer Scott Rigell is distancing himself from the pack in advance of the state's June 8 Republican primary -- raising more than $400,000 (including $273,000 of his own money) in the first three months of the year. And that's bad news for freshman Rep. Glenn Nye (D) who will likely struggle to rally his party's base after opposing President Barack Obama on health care and cap and trade. (Previous ranking: 19)

19. Florida's 25th district (Republican controlled): Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart is trying to district-hop over to the 21st, knowing that the 25th is growing increasingly competitive. Democrats are very high on Joe Garcia who came close to ousting Diaz-Balart in 2008. But, state Rep. David Rivera (R) posted a huge number -- $703,000 raised -- in the first three months of the year. (Previous ranking: N/A)

18. Ohio's 1st district (D): Demographics may be destiny for freshman Rep. Steve Driehaus. The Cincinnati-area district is more than 28 percent black and it will be hard to re-create the turnout in that critical community in Driehaus' re-match against former Rep. Steve Chabot (R). (Previous ranking: 14)

17. Michigan's 1st (D): Rep. Bart Stupak's (somewhat) surprising retirement hands Republicans a pickup opportunity in the Upper Peninsula seat. The fields are still shaking out but this is a district carried by George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004 and won very narrowly by Obama in 2008. (Previous ranking: N/A)

16.Ohio's 15th (D): Former state Sen. Steve Stivers is among Republicans' best funded and most skilled challengers. Can Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy (D) possibly re-create the turnout in Columbus -- home of THE Ohio State University -- of 2008? Doubtful. (Previous ranking: 15)

15. Virginia's 5th district (D): On paper, Rep. Tom Perriello (D) probably shouldn't get re-elected given the conservative lean of this Southside district and the fact that he has backed every major piece of legislation pushed by the White House. But, campaigns aren't run on paper and state Sen. Robert Hurt, Perriello's likely GOP opponent, raised just $101,000 over the past three months. (In Hurt's defense, the state legislature was in session during that time.) Previous ranking: 12)

14. Mississippi's 1st district (D): This northern Mississippi seat is tough for any Democrat to hold, having given Obama just 38 percent of the vote in 2008. But, Rep. Travis Childers (D) has a fighting chance due, at least in part, to the disappointing fundraising of state Sen. Alan Nunnelee (R). (Previous ranking: 11)

13. Hawaii's 1st district (D): The May 22 special election to replace former Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D) is a major Democratic problem. A Research 2000 poll conducted for the liberal Daily Kos blog showed Honolulu City Councilman Charles Djou (R) at 32 percent to 29 percent for former Rep. Ed Case (D) and 28 percent for state Senate president Colleen Hanabusa (D). (Previous ranking: 17)

12. Colorado's 4th (D): Two recent developments have badly imperiled freshman Rep. Betsy Markey (D). First, she switched her vote on health care from "no" last fall to "yes" last month, a difficult position to explain to voters. Second, state Rep. Cory Gardner has effectively eliminated a serious Republican primary fight and is sitting on nearly $540,000 in the bank. (Previous ranking: N/A)

11. Indiana's 8th district (D): Next month Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D) will be chosen as his party's Senate nominee by the state party executive committee, creating an opening in his southern Indiana seat. Ellsworth's preferred candidate -- state Rep. Trent Van Haaften -- will be the Democratic nominee but some national party officials are skeptical that Van Haaften is up to the task. (Previous ranking: N/A)

10. New Mexico's 2nd district (D): This is one of the least changeable races on the Line. Former Rep. Steve Pearce (R) has a base in the district and significant fundraising ability. Freshmen Rep. Harry Teague (D) has personal cash. Pearce should win this race but funnier things have happened. (Previous ranking: 10)

9. Illinois' 10th district (R): Republicans insist they have a chance in this affluent North Shore seat -- noting that businessman Bob Dold will be able to run as an outsider and Rep. Mark Kirk's Senate candidacy will lift all Republican boats in the district. Maybe. But, Dan Seals, the 2006 and 2008 Democratic nominee, raised better than $637,000 in the first three months of 2010 -- a hugely impressive total. (Previous ranking: 8)

8. New York's 29th district (D): It looks increasingly likely that there will be no special election in this western New York district previously held by former Rep. Eric Massa (D). But, even in November, Republicans have to like their chances. Corning Mayor Tom Reed looks like the Republican nominee while Democrats have chosen youthful Afghan war veteran Matt Zeller. (Previous ranking: 9)

7. Arkansas' 2nd district (D): Former U.S. Attorney Tim Griffin (R) remains the favorite to replace retiring Rep. Vic Snyder (D) although his road to victory got slightly more bumpy when former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee threw his endorsement to Scott Wallace in the GOP primary. (Previous ranking 6)

6. Maryland's 1st district (D): State Sen. Andy Harris (R) outraised freshman Rep. Frank Kratovil (D) by $75,000 between Jan. 1 and March 31 -- not a good sign for the incumbent. This district, which gave Obama just 40 percent of the vote, is a tough hold for Democrats in any political environment. (Previous ranking: 7)

5. Kansas' 3rd district (D): Democrats narrowly avoided disaster by luring Stephene Moore, the wife of retiring Rep. Dennis Moore (D), into the contest. Republicans argue, however, that Moore is green as a candidate and running in a very tough district. (Previous ranking: 4)

4. Delaware's at-large district (R): National Republicans are thrilled about the candidacy of wealthy businesswoman Michelle Rollins. But, she faces developer Glen Urquhart, who is self-financing the race, in a primary, and then former Lt. Gov. John Carney (D) -- all in a district that gave Obama 62 percent in 2008. (Previous ranking: 3)

3. Louisiana's 3rd district (D): All signs point to a candidacy by former state House Speaker Hunt Downer (R). If Downer runs, he almost certainly wins this southeastern Louisiana seat where Obama took just 37 percent in 2008. (Previous ranking: 5)

2. Louisiana's 2nd district (R): Rep. Joseph Cao (R) has seven more months before he enters the Mike Flanagan wing of former Members of Congress. The only issue is which of a number of potential Democratic candidates emerges. (Previous ranking: 2)

1. Tennessee's 6th district (D): Democrats have conceded this middle Tennessee seat. The action will be in the Republican primary between former Rutherford County GOP Chair Lou Ann Zelenik, retired Army General Dave Evans and state Sens. Jim Tracy and Diane Black. (Previous ranking: 1)

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 16, 2010; 4:41 PM ET
 
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Just for anyone in the know, who is Mike Castle endorsing in the Delaware at-large? My guess is that Castle is supporting Rollins, and if he is and Castle & Rollins run on a ticket together Castle can take that US Senate seat and Republicans can have a future in Delaware with Rollins as the US Rep. Anyone know who Castle is supporting?

Posted by: reason5 | April 19, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
Please don't hesitate to actually contact someone actually living and working in Colorado CD4 before next week. Markey raised half a million in the last quarter, is revered by her hometown folks and respected by the unaffiliateds. Her team is stellar and on the ground now.
I've listened to the challenger a few times and was struck only by how much he looks likes Beaver Cleaver and how well he recites the NRC's talking points. Even the ones that were mistakes.
Gardener is also catching it for missing votes in his present seat while raising funds in DC. But not enough money to make the top flight of the "young guns" program.
You're going to be moving this one down the list.

Posted by: wjrwashpost | April 19, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

New Product:

You can now order tea bags imprinted with the Confederate Stars N Bars.

Contact Fecal Seasonings c/o the RNC.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | April 19, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

There are definite cracks showing in dribbl on Friday night and Ped is only a very short trip from permanant State sponsored care.

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The well-established pattern.

Zouk drips with hate .. Says the liberals posting here're consumed with hate

Zouk calls the liberals failures .. Posts endless boasts of extravagant wealth that can't possibly be true, refuses to corroborate, and writes elsewhere of desiring to make money in photography

Zouk refers liberal bloggers as lonely and isolated ... sends "friend requests" to narcissistic scantilly clad women on model mania

And the pinnacle: zouk obsesses (even more than Jake) with a partnered gay programmer in Seatle, endless libelous accusations of pedophilia, while the centerpiece of his web site is a young boy in makeup.

Zouk calls the liberals here failures and in one case presents evidence precisely to the contrary ... left as an exercise for the reader.

Defensive projection, all of it.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 19, 2010 3:33 AM | Report abuse

You rant about innercity gang violence which has zero to do with this topic and I specifically respond how TeaParty Gov like Perry reject stimulus funds our county desperately needs to fund DA gang task forces. You rant how conservatives have broken no laws and I post 5 specific unrefuted examples whre they have. Why in the world. should anyone take you or Jake seriously when you raise irrelevant points and then cannot even concentrate long enough to read or process what has been discussed. Sorry but you have become a distraction and total waste of time for this site.

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he was that from his very first post.

Look, leichtman, you're a valuable poster here but you're letting yourself get sidetracked with this burnout. There's something wrong with 37th. Something cognitive. Besides being a bigot he's hysterical and repetitive beyond endurance; some of us have multiple posts show up when the server hiccups but 37th is deliberately posting his ownstuff repeatedly for hours and in every active thread. It's not a server hiccup in his case, it's deliberate jamming, like those jet noises you used to hear on shortwave radio; somewhere underneath that was a radio station, probably advocating freedom, and the jet sound was a totalitariant government's radio station overpowering it with noise.

37th does that crap to overpower discussion here with noise. It's unintelligible and the point is to drive away discussion.

20 years ago he would have been a Punk, smashing municipal artwork with bricks and throwing paint on unprotected Rembrandts. Today he's a spammer showing up the emptiness and depravity of the husk of his brain. Cillizza bats his eyes and says "forward me the offending posts," I do believe you're too smart to accept him as sincere. My best hope for this site is that he is replaced and the rules are enforced, but the two will not happen separately.

In Seoul. Voucher hotel. Trying to ratchet back to Seattle time.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 19, 2010 3:18 AM | Report abuse

He isn't spamming the board to make points, he's spamming the board to keep others from discussing.

And if you don't think Cillizza is watching the comments, try calling out the racism in any direct fashion and watch what happens. He's putting up with the bigotry, the lies, and the homophobia because he's on board.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 19, 2010 3:03 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Another weekend meltdown on the Fix.

Could it be scriveners secret weapon?

Are people already half crazy when they arrive here or does this place do it to ya. Same thing happened to Rufas and Jake and I'm pretty sure dribbl, ped and bj are not far behind.

There are definite cracks showing in dribbl on Friday night and Ped is only a very short trip from permanant State sponsored care.

Watch for it.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 19, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

spam spam spam spam spammity spam

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 19, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman


It was the tactics Obama displayed in 2008 that got me - I didn't like him playing the race card in South Carolina and with Gerry Ferraro.


Then I thought the speech in Philadelphia was a complete joke - but the press hailed it like it was the second Gettysburg Address.

The whole campaign and the fawning of the press was ridiculous. AND you hated it too when it was going on.

At this point, all your do is cling to the FDR version of the democratic party - and you try to find party loyalty to support Obama - but you don't see him for what he really is.


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

LA Times reports:


A white supremacist rally on the lawn of Los Angeles City Hall ended with a handful of arrests Saturday afternoon as counter-protesters showered police and white supremacists with rocks, bottles and other debris.


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I guess the left is violent again. And we didn't mention Seattle either.


What is wrong with the democrats - they keep on saying things that are not supported by the facts.


I guess that is why there is a trillion dollar budget.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Ahmadinejad held his own anti-Obama summit - to counter Obama's summit on nuclear weapons.


Only Ahmadinejad didn't say anything like "whether we like it or not."

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman1


I really don't hate Obama - I don't like his policies and his tactics -


I honestly believe if Obama had kept his commitment to centrist policies - which his commitment to bipartisanship meant - the country would not be so divided right now.

It is Obama's sharp turn to the far left is what is causing the problem.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Actually that is not the topic. Just try for once and read what CC wrote about; congressional races and the expanding House races,,which you totally ignore. I pointed out that conservative Gov have refused desperately needed funds in Tx and Va to fund DA gang forces you know zero about. Your reply I hate Obama. I point out specific examples 5 of them where conservatives have violate the law. Your answer I hate Obama and how about innercity violence. Again you are deliberately out to destroy this site and obsess over your hatred of Obama. Please get help and stop spamming thirs site.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

37th could take a lesson from sliowa1, brigade, and USMC_Mike amongst others. Judging from this evening's work, the point is to spam the blog.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 18, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The New York Times' Frank Rich, per usual, is ahead of the game. His take today on the teabaggers and the revival of the neo-confederacy movement in the Age of Obama is on target.

"It’s not happenstance that officials from the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Virginia and Mississippi have argued, as one said this month, that the Confederate Army had been “fighting for the same things that people in the Tea Party are fighting for.” Obama opposition increasingly comes wrapped in the racial code that McDonnell revived in endorsing Confederate History Month. The state attorneys general who are invoking states’ rights in their lawsuits to nullify the federal health care law are transparently pushing the same old hot buttons.

....

How our current spike in neo-Confederate rebellion will end is unknown. It’s unnerving that Tea Party leaders and conservatives in the Oklahoma Legislature now aim to create a new volunteer militia that, as The Associated Press described it, would use as yet mysterious means to “help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.” This is the same ideology that animated Timothy McVeigh, whose strike against the tyrannical federal government will reach its 15th anniversary on Monday in the same city where the Oklahoma Legislature meets."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/opinion/18rich.htm

Thanks for your "Political News & Analysis," Mr. Rich. We ignore what Rich is warning us about -- this "Perfect Storm" of hate -- at our own peril.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"Whether we like it or not," American remains a dominant military power.


Why didn't we hear about this sentiment before the 2008 election?


This is completely unbelievable - and it is something that liberals should not even defend.


How can the liberals even try to defend Obama, with his trillion dollar deficit, the largest tax increase in American history and now - he doesn't like it that America is the dominant military power.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

leictman1


So you are against racial slurs, but I have never seen you say anything about broadwayjoe's sexual slurs.


Which is it ?

Are slurs OK or not ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

leichtman


The innercity violence is much much greater than anything that has happened at a Tea Party Rally.

I have no idea what you are talking about with Perry.

The topic is the democratic charges that the right-wing is about to plunge into violence - which is not true.

So I point out the violence which the democrats apparently tolerate - and you say that is off-topic - it's all about the democratic charges.


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

You rant about innercity gang violence which has zero to do with this topic and I specifically respond how TeaParty Gov like Perry reject stimulus funds our county desperately needs to fund DA gang task forces. You rant how conservatives have broken no laws and I post 5 specific unrefuted examples whre they have. Why in the world. should anyone take you or Jake seriously when you raise irrelevant points and then cannot even concentrate long enough to read or process what has been discussed. Sorry but you have become a distraction and total waste of time for this site.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


You finally got the question


You seem to talk about the possible remote chance of the right-wing resorting to violence.

And I ask you WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT INNER CITY VIOLENCE.

Obviously we can refer you to all sorts of inner city violence from just the past two weeks.

YOU have no instances of right wing violence to point to.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT INNER CITY VIOLENCE ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The issue in ALL THESE HOUSE races is going to be THAT OBAMA JUST PASSED THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

The democrats have no answer to that - except to start calling people racist.

This is IN ADDITION TO the one trillion dollar deficit out there.

One would think that Obama would be concerned about the BUDGET DEFICIT - and that any new taxes would go towards the deficit.

NO - Obama wants a vast new government program. That must come FIRST - before taking care of the economy - before of making sure of any fiscal stability.

Then the democrats sit there with a straight face, and express wonderment at why there is anger in the country.

The democrats DO NOT want to talk about numbers - the deficit - the health care bill - the democrats NEVER use the numbers to support what they are saying.


Anyway - this is an outrageous and VILE way the democrats have approached all these issues.

AND IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH ME, YOU ARE A RACIST.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Let's just get ALL the documents together and have a Court review them.


HOW CAN YOU OBJECT TO THAT ???

Obama should sign the release so Hawaii can release the contents of the file there - and the college records.

You man can put this thing to rest.

WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Let's just get ALL the documents together and have a Court review them.


HOW CAN YOU OBJECT TO THAT ???

Obama should sign the release so Hawaii can release the contents of the file there - and the college records.

You man can put this thing to rest.

WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

See Polls 2:37pm post. 37, yours is a foolish rightwing hoax and an OLD one at that. Give it a rest, fake 37.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Bj why does the thread immediately fall into the toilet everytime you show up?

You and ped alone seem to have this "gift".

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe

I asked you directly - WAS Obama adopted by his Indonesian father or NOT ??

This is not a hoax.

There is a Catholic school in Indonesia which lists Obama as an Indonesian student and lists him as a MUSLIM - which part of that do you object to ???

AND we have already identified you as the racist for comments you have made on this blog about whites - it is simple that you have treated blacks and whites diffferently - so please I ask you again STOP WITH THE RACIST COMMENTS.

AND the sexual slurs as well.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

If Post management wants to continue to sponsor a blog that devotes itself to free GOP political ads, racist rants from posters like 37, and daily smears of our 44th President, so be it. Sad. Go for it, 37. Any more rightwing hoaxes you want to cut and paste?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"INNER CITY VIOLENCE ??? WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT THAT ???"

why don t you you complain to Gov Pery and Gov McDonnell who openly refused stimulus money targeted to 1. Hiring more cops on the street
2. Gang Violence Task Force 3. monies needed
by counties to hire more DAs to prosecute gang violence. Why don't you try and learn more about gang violence other than using it as an excuse to continue to make racial slurs.

once again this is a political site intended
to discuss all topics political not to just
rant about your racial hatred of our POTUS.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse


broadwayjoe


the site you are talking about was put up by democratic operatives - they cite NO DOCUMENTS TO PROVE THEIR CASE - THEY JUST SAY IT WAS A HOAX

The way to settle this issue is to OPEN THE FILES - AND LET'S SEE THE DOCUMENTS.

Was Obama ADOPTED BY SOERTORO - WOULDN'T THAT MAKE OBAMA AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN???

The clear reason is there is a CATHOLIC SCHOOL DOCUMENT which lists Obama as an INDONESIAN STUDENT AND AS A MUSLIM.


That is a REAL DOCUMENT - NOT A FAKE WEBSITE PUT UP BY DEMOCRATIC OPERATIVES WHO SAY IT IS A HOAX.


I say everything you say is a hoax - as evidence, I will post the URL of this posting that says that everything you say is a HOAX - therefor it is a hoax.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site. Additionally, entries that are unsigned or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author will be removed. Finally, we will take steps to block users who violate any of our posting standards, terms of use or privacy policies or any other policies governing this site. Please review the full rules governing commentaries and discussions."


curious CC why no one at the WP is enforcing your own rules?

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

To whom it may concern, "Polls" earlier responded to 37's foolish carpet posts about BHO being an Indonesian citizen (see below), the most recent of 37's racist proxy issues.
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This first appeared as an email hoax in April 2009. See:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned.htm

Spamming this site with email hoaxes is not new. It is about as useful as the junk sales spam this site attracts.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | April 18, 2010 2:37 PM

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


What is the criminal behavior you are talking about ???

If you try to restrict the free speech rights, that is a civil rights violation - and that is criminal.


I would say it is the democrats who are advocating the criminal behavior.

AND SINCE YOU ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT VIOLENCE - WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE INNER CITY VIOLENCE ??? WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT THAT ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

April 19th is the anniversary of Lexington and Concord.


so please will everyone stop with this nonsense about right-wing violence ???

OR do we have to list all the black inner city violence that happened JUST THIS WEEKEND - and compare it to the right-wing violence ???

I am sick of these leftists LYING THEIR WAY THROUGH A POINT.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

37, BHO will not waste his time addressing silly racist proxy issues and rightwing hoaxes, and neither will anyone else. Stop the foolish carpet posts!

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

so it is now vile to say that slander and screaming fire in a crowded theatre are unlawful. I also posted that those responsible for spitting at a Congressmen, cutting gas lines, leaving death threats on voice mails,
smashing Congressional office windows is unlawaul. I have no idea who those folks are are or what organization they ascribe, or who committed those infractions, but I challenge you to visit any ciminal court in the country and try and argue to any R Judge that such actions are lawful even if by one of their supporters.

Personally I think you are crossing the line when I clearly stated that our laws must be enforced and criminal behavior prosecuted
against any violators regardless of party or political affiliation. What you are advocating sir is nihilism which is not the kind
of society I want. Once again constitutional law does not allow even the first amendment
to be practiced in a vaccum and does not shield defendants from criminal behavior.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


Do you agree the files should be OPENED - why are the files sealed?


Wouldn't it be better if they simply released the documents.


Otherwise, they are hiding something - wouldn't you rather see a document than believe some political hack?

AND the name calling has to stop - clearly you feel you have LOST on the issue, otherwise you would be talking about the issue, instead of name calling.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse


broadwayjoe


Just because some MISINFORMATION OPERATION puts up a page on the internet saying something is a hoax, doesn't mean it isn't true.


Obama SHOULD SIGN A RELEASE - AND AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF ALL THE FILES.


THE FILES IN HAWAII


THE FILES AT ALL THE COLLEGES - ALL THE RECORDS.


WAS OBAMA ENROLLED AS AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN???


Release ALL the documents - you claim stuff on the internet has no validity - yet you CITE A PAGE ON THE INTERNET TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.


YOU HAVE NO DOCUMENTS TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.


Release ALL THE FILES - AND GET IT OVER WITH.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe

Your post at 3:53 do you have any documents to support what you are saying - or are you simply full of it.

You complain about lack of documents - and yet your position has even LESS DOCUMENTATION.

The Catholic school in Indonesia has Obama listed as an Indonesian CITIZEN AND A AS A MUSLIM

There are NO DOCUMENTS WHICH CONTRADICT THAT.

Obama was ADOPTED BY SOERTORO AND BECAME AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN.

PROVE OTHERWISE.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Moonbat


Here is the scoreboard for violence last Thursday


- Hundreds of Thousands of Tea Party people went out for rallies - zero violence.

- in CHICAGO ALONE - on THURSDAY NIGHT ALONE - THE BLACKS IN CHICAGO shot 19 people, 4 dead.

Which is the violent group ???

leichtman - stop with you craziness - what do you want to do - shut down free speech???


The anti-war movement was much much worse - the words they used to describe Bush were much much worse.


you have NOTHING to stand on.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


The people in the Tea Party Movement have the right to FREE SPEECH.


Your position is vile - you don't like them because of WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

These rallies have been peaceful - you have NO RIGHT TO INTERFERE WITH THEIR FREE SPEECH RIGHTS - that is a Civil Rights VIOLATION.

The anti-war rallies were much much worse.

It is time you grow up.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

actually, spitting in the face of anyone much less a US Congressman, cutting gas lines,shooting out windows in Congressional office,leaving death threats on voice mails and calling our current Congress gangasters are all crimes in most states; disorderly conduct,maliscious mischief, terroristic threats, and inciting violence. I defend folks in criminal courts every week on similar such crimes and such conduct on the left or right is inexecusable and needs to be prosecuted. Believe me when I say that judges both R and D have no sympathy when such charges are presented in their courts on a day to day basis. Free speech is a cherished protected liberty in our country but certainly not slander or yelling fire in a crowded theatre. I presume you understand that. To act like the radical right and that all TeaPartiers are innocent angels is beyond belief and enabling cowardly behavior.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Hundreds of thousands of tea party protesters have assembled in the last year to voice their objections to socialism with no violence or arrest.

Yet over the weekend a handful of liberals get together and the result is rock throwing and arrests.

Just who are the violent ones?

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Two stooges present and accounted for.

Intelligent discourse: MIA.

Coincidence?

Hardly.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

'Free the Forbes 400!

By Dana Milbank

I stopped by Freedom Plaza on Tax Day to check on the progress of the nation's populist revolt.

On the stage, I saw the great populist leader himself: Grover Norquist, who, after getting two Harvard degrees, developed his common-touch lobbying for the tropical island paradise of the Seychelles. Norquist spoke from a lectern bearing a Tea Party emblem and a simple message: "The people speak."

And which people might those be? The people of the Seychelles tourist industry? Or the people of British Petroleum, Fannie Mae, the Distilled Spirits Council and the Interactive Gaming Council? Norquist represented them all, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

If Norquist isn't convincing as man of the people, that's all right, because the Tea Party has its share of faux populists. They march under slogans such as "can you hear us now?" and "we the people," but their demands on Tax Day were more those of the angry affluent than oppressed commoners. "

"populist'. LOL.

Posted by: drindl | April 18, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Bachman continues to egg it on--but other Rs are backing to back away from her provocative rhetoric.:

'On Thursday, Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) referred to the government as a “gangster government,” telling a group of conservative activists, “We’re on to them. We’re on to this gangster government. And we are not going to let them have their way.” The following day, President Clinton — who has drawn parallels between the Oklahoma City bombing incident in 1995 and the current atmosphere of right-wing, anti-government hatred — took aim at Bachmann’s comments. “They are not gangsters. They were elected. They are not doing anything they were not elected to do.”

Clinton said people involved with “hatriot” groups like the Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters may take the wrong lessons from irresponsible rhetoric. “Ninety-nine percent of them will never do anything they shouldn’t do, but there are people who advocate violence and anticipate violence,” he warned. Fortunately, some of Bachmann’s conservative colleagues are heeding Clinton’s warning. This morning, during an appearance on Meet The Press, Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) — also a strong supporter of the Tea Parties — refused to endorse Bachmann’s “gangster government” rhetoric:

GREGORY: Do those kinds of words, April 19th is coming up, which is the anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing, when an anti-government person who was obviously a sociopath attacked the federal government. When you describe a “gangster government,” do you think that is over the line and inappropriate in our political discourse?

BLACKBURN: It would not have been a choice in words that I made."

Posted by: drindl | April 18, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Polls. It won't shut up 37, but it will clarify for casual visitors to this blog that 37's birther nonsense about BHO's Indonesian citizenship is bunk.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

@Brigade - I'll admit to a bit of suspicion. It's well known around here that drivl and moonbat are alter egos of the twice banned King_of_zouk. As Comrade_zero uses some of the exact same insults as Zouk's other alter egos, it doesn't take a leap of logic to assume that Zouk=Zero. On the left, Noacoaler used to post as Goldandtanzanite and before that, Chrisfox8. JakeD was banned, returned as JakeD2, and claimed he'd registered another user name before the second ban took effect. So, it's hardly paranoia to be a little suspicious. Just inside Fixista politics. Personally, I don't give a flying leap.

There is a severe shortage around here of conservative contributors who are willing to mix it up a bit. That's jousting that I look forward to reading. So, my recommendation is to ignore any insinuations about who you are or who is paying for you and enjoy the sport.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 18, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

CC wrote:

3. Louisiana's 3rd district (D): All signs point to a candidacy by former state House Speaker Hunt Downer (R).

HUNT DOWNER? What were HIS parents thinking?

Brigade, welcome to "The Fix". It is possible to converse, here, but the trick is to pick your topic and a person who is also interested in it. I too am a ticket splitter and I too supported the war in Iraq before I opposed it. I think it is fair to say that the Ds except for the [DK pacifist type] few supported Afghanistan without reservation until recently, when many took George Will's view of the matter. At least it seemed so here.

Ignore the personal insults and avoid slinging them and you will find many who actually want to engage with you, or so I believe. I think you are off to a promising start, btw.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Just because some MISINFORMATION OPERATION puts up a page on the internet saying something is a hoax, doesn't mean it isn't true.

Obama SHOULD SIGN A RELEASE - AND AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF ALL THE FILES.

THE FILES IN HAWAII


THE FILES AT ALL THE COLLEGES - ALL THE RECORDS.

WAS OBAMA ENROLLED AS AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN???

Release ALL the documents - you claim stuff on the internet has no validity - yet you CITE A PAGE ON THE INTERNET TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.

YOU HAVE NO DOCUMENTS TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.

Release ALL THE FILES - AND GET IT OVER WITH.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Just because some MISINFORMATION OPERATION puts up a page on the internet saying something is a hoax, doesn't mean it isn't true.

Obama SHOULD SIGN A RELEASE - AND AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF ALL THE FILES.

THE FILES IN HAWAII


THE FILES AT ALL THE COLLEGES - ALL THE RECORDS.

WAS OBAMA ENROLLED AS AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN???

Release ALL the documents - you claim stuff on the internet has no validity - yet you CITE A PAGE ON THE INTERNET TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.

YOU HAVE NO DOCUMENTS TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.

Release ALL THE FILES - AND GET IT OVER WITH.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


These are not "racist proxy issues" - why doesn't Obama simply SIGN A RELEASE ALLOWING EVERYONE TO SEE THE FILES???


What do you have to hide??

Open up the file in Hawaii - Open up the college transcripts.

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH OPENING UP THE FILES ????


And we have already established that you are a racist - by making false charges aimed only at white people.

So please STOP poisoning the atmosphere on this blog with your garbage.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

37th, I'm going to have to leave it to you and others to sort out the details of Barack Obama's citizenship. I must assume that he is a bonafide citizen until credible information to the contrary is presented; and even if that were to happen, only the courts can intervene. I can't do anything, and I really don't have any information relevant to the discussion.

I do appreciate your passion, however, and if you're convinced of your mission, go ahead and see where it leads.

Posted by: Brigade | April 18, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

OK leichtman1


Well then will you agree that the false charges of racism are vile and have no place in our politicaly system ???

And with all this crazy talk about the right POSSIBLY becoming violent, it is fair to point out that blacks are shooting each other in the major cities of this country.

The REAL VIOLENCE is in the black community - not on the right wing.

This is a FAIR POINT - AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP IF IT WASN'T FOR THE IRRESPONSIBLE CHARGES OF THE DEMOCRATS.

Instead of agreeing with me, you instead attempt to cast this discussion as something that I have done - instead of clearly state that my posts are a fair response to the charges of your side.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate... .The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students... . To qualify... a student must claim foreign citizenship.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 1:57 PM
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This first appeared as an email hoax in April 2009. See:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned.htm

Spamming this site with email hoaxes is not new. It is about as useful as the junk sales spam this site attracts.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | April 18, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I have checked the Fix archive and found no record of you or any of the other trolls, including the real 37, making birther arguments against candidate McCain who was born outside the United States in the Panama Canal Zone. Ironically, there actually WAS a legitimate birther issue as to McCain, but, oddly, the MSM elected to obsess over the bogus issues raised about BHO.

37, you have raised these racist proxy issues about 256 times by my count. Isn't that enough? When does it end? You hate BHO because he's a ________. We get that and don't need the point repeated in your endless foolish carpet posts.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

In response to Shrink's post about drones:
I agree with you that the mission of battle is to inflict casualites on your enemies and to sustain as few as possible on your own side. Revisionist historians tell us how horrible it was for America to drop the A-bombs at the end of WWII, but none of them were carrying rifles in 1945, so would not have been among the casualties during a ground invasion of Japan. As Colin Powell once said, when you go to war, you're not looking for a fair fight.

As for the current mess. I was four-square behind Bush when he invaded Iraq, as were 82 members of the U.S. senate. As an independent, I can safely say that had I known then what I know now, I would not have favored the Irag war. Sadaam was evidently all bluster, trying to intimidate others in the region, and no real threat to us whatsoever. I don't know that I was deliberately misled but mistakes were certainly made, and they have cost us blood and treasure. I also understand why it was not politically feasible for the Bush administration to take that position.

I don't know what the hell we're now doing in Afghanistan, but I hope Obama and the generals know what their doing. It's been 9 long years since Osama was set up there; he's now long gone and so is Al Queda (did I spell that right?). So now we have mission creep. We're there to make sure radicals don't set up shop and use it as a base from which to destabilize Pakistan. Sort of like the domino theory in Viet Nam.

I'm with Will and Buchanen. I don't know why we have to sit down and stay in these places once the "original" mission has been accomplished. Young people didn't enlist in the armed forces to help Iraq develop a democracy or to shore up Karzai.

If principles really matter, then where is all the anti-war hysteria that we heard during the Bush administration? Did war quit costing money when Obama was elected?
I don't hear anymore about back-door drafts and multiple tours of duty. Charlie Rangel hasn't introduced any legislation to bring back the draft. Hell, they've got the votes to actually do it now! I don't see the roll of casualties nightly on ABC news, or the media following Cindy Sheehan around. Not that there isn't still some opposition, but you don't hear much about it. Democratic outrage has been reduced to a whisper when Obama needs funding for the war. Republicans think they are being patriotic by supporting the policies, with only the usual and timid political posturing about details. And they seem by and large to believe in the cause. My how things have changed since the election of 2008.

Posted by: Brigade | April 18, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Special Delivery to Carpet-poster, the fake 37:

Birther Madness star Oily Taitz has already been sanctioned and fined $20,000 by a trial court for filing a frivolous suit making your racially motivated, idiotic arguments, all of which were rejected out of hand by the judge. 37, ever consider joining Gov. Rick Perry in the United State of Texas after his state fires on Fort Sumter and finally, and at long last, secedes from the Union?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Poor liberals.

This weekend we found out the tea partiers are smarter than they are.

We found out it is the liberals who are violent.

We found out there is no plan in Iran.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Was Obama or Was Obama not enrolled in Occidental College at the age of 18 as an Indonesian Citizen ???

Would someone please settle these issues???

Obama has done a GREAT DEAL to HIDE DOCUMENTS AND NOT GIVE AN ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

37, I thought this birther/racist junk was off-limits, i.e., forbidden. Wasn't that one of the 357 grounds on which JakeD, the predecessor to JakeD2, was banned from this space? But, 37, if you don't think so, please keep up the racist rants against our 44th President.
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BTW, Fix coworker Bob McCartney is getting pummeled in the comments reacting to what amounts to a love letter to the teabaggers in the Post today. To paraphrase the United Negro College Fund, credibility is a terrible thing to waste.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

no hit and runs 37th you are the one who's
every post includes either the words race,
blacks or inner city. all of here are truly sick of hearing that racially tinted rant.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This is a story from this year January 2010


Is it true???


Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry

Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court

order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for

foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, forthe scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I noticed that someone---it wasn't you was it, Noacoler?---managed to slip Sarah Palin into this thread. If things get a bit slow, we can always talk about how stupid Sarah Palin may be, what a greedy, pathetic human being she really is, and whether or not she can really see Alaska from her front porch---or whether she ever said she could.

You all seem to know a lot more than me about Sarah Palin. She definitely seems to want to remain an influential player in the political arena, and Lord knows we don't want any stupid people involved in our country's political establishment. So I have made it my current mission to determine, once and for all, just how stupid is she??? Help me out by answering some questions:

Did she ever say anything about the flags the astronauts left on Mars?

Did she ever mention the pipeline of illegal drugs into South Central L.A. that Bush 41 orchestrated to enslave the population there?

Did she ever mention that agents of the federal government dynamited the levees in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina?

Anything about 9/11 being an "inside job"?

How about the U.S. government developing the AIDs virus in the laboratory as a means to exterminate an undesirable segment of the population. Has she ever mentioned that?

Did she ever say how many of the 57 states she had visited?

Did she ever call out to a paraplegic gentleman in a wheel chair, "Stand up, Chuck!"???

Doe she have as much trouble pronouncing "corpsman" as "nuclear"?

Did she ever "forget" half of her assets or file false tax returns?

Also, much was made of her religious affiliations during her unfortunate campaign for the vice presidency. When she said she had never spoken in tongues, the whole matter was sort of dropped. But I wanted to know more!

Like did her pastor say anything about America's chickens coming home to roost after 9/11? Did he ever say he found anything in his Bible about God damning America? Did he ever say that Louie Farrakhan was a great man or turn the pulpit over him so he could explain to "born again?" Christians that Jesus was really only a prophet and that they really needed to hook up with Mohammed?

Just wondering. Because I certainly don't want any morons involved in political or governmental affairs. Sarah or anyone else!

Posted by: Brigade | April 18, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1

My reaction to your post at 12:57 - is that basically you would like to allow the democrats a "hit and run"


It is the democrats who brought up the FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM -


And the Republicans would like to respond - about how vile the FALSE CHARGES are.

The democrats just want it ONE WAY - THEIR WAY.

The time to take race out of the discussion was BEFORE THE DEMOCRATS STARTED MAKING THE FALSE CHARGES.

You can blame Obama for this one.

I think deep down, you are sick of Obama - and you really do not want to defend him - so you put blinders on - and REFUSE TO SEE OBAMA FOR WHO HE REALLY IS.

The entire platform of bipartisanship, post-racial, and transparency has been thrown aside - Obama is a shallow leftist, still hoping he can get away with releasing terrorists from Gitmo.

How many soldiers DIED capturing those terrorists - and Obama just wants to let them go - some to YEMEN.


Go ahead, keep on supporting Obama - but you know it is wrong.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

fine you want to scream budget shortfall lets start with 1. $1.1 trillion 2001 tax cut
unpaid for; 2. 2 wars another trillion-unpaid for; 3.Medicare Part D $600 unpaid for 4. Paulson/Bush bank bailout another trillion dollars. You have attacked me and called me names which you seem to be skilled at but not the reality of this obvious R hypocrisy. You then scream about the cost of HC reform but then scream incorrectly when Ds pay for it with $500 billion in cuts to Medicare 'Advantage'. Having it both ways like you is convenient political spin.

you and GOP have amnesia when it comes to the deficit. So which part are you denying:
1. $282 2009 tax cut; 2. 95% covered by tax cut
or 3. that 47% of Americans don't pay taxes.
As to the budget process both parties have delayed release of their budgets unless you live in lala land and believe in the tooth fairy. My response was to tax cuts; yours to the budget process, nice sly of the hand.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse


The EVIDENCE WE HAVE - and really the ONLY EVIDENCE WE HAVE concerning any of these issues is a registration card for Obama at a Catholic school in Indonesia:


Obama is registered under the name Barry Soetoro by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. The school card lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen born Aug. 4, 1961. His religion is listed as Muslim.

Clearly, this information RAISES ENOUGH DOUBT FOR A FULL INVESTIGATION.

It also raises ENOUGH DOUBT THAT OBAMA SHOULD SIGN RELEASES FOR THE OPENING OF ALL FILES, INCLUDING THE FILE AT THE HAWAII DEPT OF HEALTH.


AND OBAMA'S COLLEGE RECORDS.

THIS ISSUE IS STILL OUT THERE - AND THE MEDIA IS BEING IRRESPONSIBLE - YOU KNOW ALL THIS WILL COME OUT ONCE OBAMA LEAVES OFFICE.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Moonbat, Jack, Brigade, comrade zero

The recent story of the Russian child being adopted into the US - the one who the mother sent back to Russia - HIGHLIGHTS AN IMPORTANT POINT. The experts said that as soon as the child landed in the US, the child was a US citizen.


NOW, if Obama was ADOPTED by his Indonesian father - which apparently there is little dispute about that - then OBAMA BECAME AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN AT THAT POINT.

It doesn't matter about anything else - BECAUSE THE US AND INDONESIA DO NOT HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP, OBAMA WAS AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN ONLY.

Perhaps that is what OBAMA IS HIDING in the Hawail Dept of Health files - there may be a notation there that Obama WAS ADOPTED AND THUS BECAME AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN.

We don't know if Obama ever held an Indonesian passport, however IF HE DID, that would be further proof of that Obama after he became 18 believed he was an Indonesian national.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH RELEASING THE FILES? WHY CAN'T OBAMA SIMPLY SIGN A RELEASE AND PUT THIS ISSUE TO REST.

Why let this issue linger out there ???

At that point, the Courts would have to decide the issue. Obama would be an ILLEGAL ALIEN - however natural born - SO THE COURTS WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE.

Obama appears more than geering up for a COURT FIGHT - indicating that THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE.

It really is a disgrace - all these democrats out there who have NOT LOOKED AT A SINGLE DOCUMENT, claiming that they know the CONCLUSION.

They don't - they have NOT seen ONE DOCUMENT PROVING ANYTHING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.


There is something seriously wrong in the middle of this controversy

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE ANSWERS.

WE ALREADY KNOW NOW FOR SURE HOW MUCH OF A LIAR OBAMA IS - SO WE KNOW HE COULD BE LYING.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"...you can spam this site all you want..."

That is for sure, Chris Cilizza says he is too busy to care to fix The Fix.

On a side note, I have a question (but the weather is perfect and so I won't be back until Monday). I can't figure out why anti-war protesters are targeting drone manufacturers.

I am anti war as anyone, but so long as there is war, the best way to fight them is to (1) kill the people who are willing to die in the process of trying to kill you (commonly known as "enemy combatants"), (2) protect your own fighters and (3) protect innocents.

In the past, the first priority has always cast an appalling shadow over the second and third.

Massive losses of ones own forces and innocents was considered the price of war.
For example, Cold Harbor, Stalingrad, there are as many examples as there are wars.

Drones and recon drones in particular are remarkably effective in advancing all three priorities.

Why would protesters think the world would be a better place or a more peaceful place without them? I hate to say it, but I think they don't like the idea of Americans killing Taliban from the safety of their distant bases. Now, surely they don't want civilians killed, surely they don't want our soldiers killed, right?

Maybe they think if the price of war goes down, America will start more wars? Someone who hates the drones, could you help me with this one?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 18, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

this is pecisely why the faux issue of tort reform is so bogus. 'All' acts of negligence
are excusable/justifiable to the GOP, unless it happens to one of their own. Reports I have read are claiming that the WV mine explosion was preventable. I would consider, if true,
those deaths to be caused by acts of gross
negligence on par with DWI deaths, which hopefully none of us should tolerate, left or right.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

My point about blacks and Republicans was that one has more influence on a party if one actually participates. That's why big business spreads its money around. If blacks believe there are two many racists in the Republican party, then they should literally flood the party with members. It would be better to have two parties competing for your support than only one. Maybe the real racists can be driven out and forced to form a third party. After all, you tell me they abandoned the Democratic party in droves when some Democrats became interested in civil rights.

As far as the politicians are concerned, I'm a bit more cynical. If Robert Byrd had suffered through his epiphanic experience BEFORE his political survival depended upon the black vote, I would be more confident that he actually had one. George Wallace's own daughter said that Wallace basically didn't care one way or the other about the plight of blacks; he was just a politician. That's even scarier than saying he thought they were 3/5 human. I think if I were black, I'd rather have a reformed racist watching my back than someone who just doesn't care and blows with the prevailing political wind. Blacks forgave Wallace and they vote enmasse for Byrd. I'm not sure I could have been so forgiving. Maybe I've listened to Loonie Louie once too often, but the last time I checked, Byrd still puts his pants on one leg at a time.

As for my screed about the ill effects of black dependence on government assistance, someone interpreted that as an attack on affirmative action. Not so. Good grief. Look at the number of African American children born out of wedlock; look at the number of single parent homes---with the father being the one missing; look at the resultant chaos in the black communities; you don't really think all of those blacks who ever increasingly populate the ever increasing number of prisons are all innocent do you? Does that make me a racist? Then talk to Bill Cosby. We have come to a sorry state when getting a good education is considered 'acting white', the inner city schools are chaotic despite increased funding, and the teachers and their unions are more concerned about themselves than the children---as witness the current opposition to charter schools which actually provide some black students a way to escape the chaos. The time has come for accountability and real solutions, not coddling and continual false charges of racism against any and all who believe that ALL poor children must be taught how to fish, not just given a fish when they're hungry.

Posted by: Brigade | April 18, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey finance whiz. Who no liberal budget this year? Can't stand the sunlight?

Could it be the 700 billion in new taxes? The 1.4 trillion shortfall?

You would probably prefer I just shut up and talk snout something you're more comfortable with.

Chant on.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"Yesterday, the AP reported that Marlene Griffith, a widow of William Griffith, one of the 29 men killed in last week’s explosion at a coal mine in West Virginia, is suing Massey Energy, the owner of the mine.

Griffith filed a wrongful death lawsuit in Raleigh County Circuit Court, arguing that Massey’s handling of work conditions at the mine plus its history of safety violations amounted to aggravated conduct that rises above the level of ordinary negligence. Marlene and here husband were to celebrate their 33rd wedding anniversary weeks after the deadly blast on April 5.

Indeed, as the Wonk Room’s Brad Johnson has reported, the mine where William Griffith worked had been cited for over 3,000 safety violations. Massey Energy CEO Don Blankenship, who has mocked safety regulators as being “as silly as global warming,” had gummed up the safety regulations process by filing endless appeals instead of paying fines and fixing safety problems.

Responding to the lawsuit, Nathan Coffey, the Public Affairs Coordinator of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), took to Twitter yesterday to mock Marlene Griffith. Coffey posted a link to the AP story about Marlene Griffith, sarcastically commenting that “Everyone wants free money!” View a screen shot of the comment below:

Nathan Coffey

ALEC, founded in 1973 by conservative activist Paul Weyrich, is a DC-based front group which helps state lawmakers craft corporate-friendly legislation. State-based schemes aimed at deregulation are often conceived and coordinated out of ALEC.


It is funded by some of the biggest corporations in America, including Koch Industries, Wal-Mart, and AT&T, as well as by the coal industry. Peabody Coal’s Kelly Mader, a Vice President for State Government Affairs at the company, sits on the board of directors of ALEC. "

I often wonder what it is in the 'conservatives' genetics that causes their complete absence of humanity.

Posted by: drindl | April 18, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

some of us here are trying to have real
discussions about polictis are being spammed with constant posts that start out with the words, race, blacks, and inner city. I ask that all of us join me, including conservatives here, to say enough with that obvious racial overtone.
either we need to show civility(from the right and left) or simply shut this site down.
so which will it be????????????????????

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The central part of the Post-Racial idea is a commitment NOT to play the RACE CARD.


Instead of fostering that atmosphere, Obama and his people have encouraged the use of the word RACIST - to the point that the we have a SEVERLY HEIGHTENED RACIAL ATMOSPHERE.

I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT 2010 IS THE MOST RACIAL YEAR SINCE 1968 -

OBAMA has turned his administration into a NATIONAL DISGRACE.


FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM HAVE NO PLACE IN AMERICA - AND FOR NOT SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THESE FALSE CHARGES, OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

THIS COUNTRY DESERVES MUCH BETTER THAN A PRESIDENT PLAYING THE RACE CARD AGAINST CITIZENS EXERCISING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.


Obama - in using the race card - is intimidating CITIZENS FROM EXERCISING THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, which is a CIVIL RIGHT.

OBAMA IS VIOLATING THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.

ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

you can spam this site all you want but the facts are that 1. The 2009 tax cut of $282 was the largest 'yearly' tax cut in history. Even
the TeaParty leaders now ackowledge that but now whine that it was the 'wrong' tax cut, whatever that means. Since when are tax cuts either right or wrong to Rs? 2. that 95% of Americans received Obama's tax cuts. 3. That 47% of Americans pay zero in federal tax cuts.

Sen Dodd on Wed told Larry Kudlow on CNBC that he was open to R amendments to his bank reform bill that he is closely working with Sen Corker to complete. Kudlow agreed that it was a necessary bill and appreciated Dodd's bi- partisan approach. Apparently Rs have a hard time when told yes we want you invoved in the legislative process and will gladly accept R amendments. Sen McConnell on the other hand prefers more demagoguery then governance and merely mimicks Frank Luntz Jan talking points. George Will on This Week, just predicted an eventual 70 votes for bank reform bill. So who is right about this bi-partisan bill, Will, Larry Kudlow and Corker or Frank Luntz and his puppet Sen. McConnell who is now repeating his HC mantra to scrap the bill? Did he not learn anything from the Sept 15, 2008 debacle? Sept 15, 2008 was close to our 1929 redeux, shouldn't that economic wakeup call be beyond Luntz's paygrade?

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 18, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Here is the violence dribble warned us about.

Yesterday at the neo Nazi rally there were several arrests for rock throwing.

Not the white supremacists though. It was the liberal anti rally guilty of the violence.

As usual.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Top secret.

We have no strategy on Iran.

Let's try bowing.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse


Do you realize how VILE playing the RACE CARD is ???


Obama should resign over this.


In any other era, when personal honor meant anything, people resigned over things like this.


Obama's conduct has COMPLETELY DISQUALIFIED HIMSELF from any leadership position in this country.


If you do not take this issue seriously, this country has a problem on its hands.


It is intolerable to have the nation in the hands of people who are so willing to play the RACE CARD.


AND then your side complains that everyone else is getting nasty.


It is a real joke.


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I really do not believe that many people in this country believed in 2008 that Obama would go back on his pledge to be POST-RACIAL.

And yet that is exactly what Obama has done by allowing his people to play the RACE CARD - a move that certainly had to have been known and approved by the White House.

Obama WENT AROUND THE COUNTRY FOR TWO YEARS - and said clearly - "Trust me, I will be a post-racial President"


NOW OBAMA HAS VIOLATED THAT TRUST

Trust is something that you just don't come up with another issue and everything is forgotten.

Obama has really got to be kidding - aside from putting race relations back 30 years, Obama has seriously hurt the chances of black candidates in the future.

Everyone is going to wonder - if Obama played the race card, will this guy play the race card - no one wants that crap going on.

It is plain and simple - Americans DO NOT WANT THESE KINDS OF POISONOUS VILE TACTICS IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM.

The democratic party is RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THESE VILE TACTICS.

Each person on this board - if you are NOT SPEAKING OUT AGAINST OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD, you are PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE.

THESE TACTICS DO NOT BELONG IN OUR AMERICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

shrink2


in reference to your Frank Rick comment - that the Republicans are nearly "all-white"


do you really think the democratic party is concerned about blacks in the inner cities?


all I see is the democratic party putting on get-out-the-vote operations in the inner cities in October - and the rest of the year they could care less about the inner cities - much less go there.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

If one wants to stick with facts, and not impressions--

True story: I used to go fishing in SE Alaska every year. The famous Bridge to Nowhere is not nearly as crazy as people think. The Ketchikan airport is on an island. The first thing you say when you get on the ferry for the 400 yard ride over to town, is, "why don't you build a bridge here".

Anyone who spends much time in the Inland Passage understands that everthing is on little islands and the whole transportation issue is linking those little islands. One time, after I got off Alaska Airlines at the Ketchikan airport, my friend taxied over in his floatplane, picked me up at the dock, and taxied back over to town.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 18, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

More accurately trickle up poverty

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to liberal "leadership" we are now in a long downhill slide to mediocrity. The era of America is coming to an end. It is twilight in our homeland.

Time to fire some cabinet clowns. Time to fire democrat Reps. Correction ahead.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Can we get back to the House races - and how Obama's LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY is going to affect those races.

I know the democrats want to pretend that Obama didn't raise the taxes

But Obama DID raise the taxes - and Obama has to BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE for the UNFUNDED MANDATES ON THE STATES - which will be forced to raise taxes on the state and local levels.

Obama has a ripple effect - A TRICKLE DOWN OF TAXES.

At least with Reagan it was money that was trickling down - not taxes.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse


Well, you can see Russia from an island in Alaska


what is the problem -

There have been pictures of Russia taken from that island in Alaska around for years - even during the Cold War.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 18, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Mustn't encourage. Mustn't .. lead .. on. Really, zouk you don't stand a chance, I have standards.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse


Yeah. Like scrivener and Jake.

What a lonely putz.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Có bánh pateso rồi. Much more tasty than a ham on rye.

Chống tôi is so good to me.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Make sure you bring a sammich on the plane Rockefeller. We capitalists charge for that now.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

DID SECRET HOMELAND AGENTS USE TSA PHILLY AIRPORT SECURITY CHECK TO DO A 'PSY OP' ON UNJUSTLY TARGETED AMERICAN JOURNALIST?

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probably not.

next time just keep quiet and don't talk about conspiracies and microwave weapons to the scanner guy and you'll get through just fine.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

DID SECRET HOMELAND AGENTS USE TSA PHILLY AIRPORT SECURITY CHECK TO DO A 'PSY OP' ON UNJUSTLY TARGETED AMERICAN JOURNALIST?

See latest comments:

http://nowpublic.com/world/vic-livingston-now-facebook-will-reader-comments-be-censored OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 18, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Jake boasted of "keeping files" on me, zouk. The way you weave my every passing utterance into your tapestry of hate why, you must have a server room of redundant backups.

Get a life. Really. You are much more fascinated with me than I could ever be with myself, having, you know, things to do an' stuff.

Mustn't encourage. Mustn't .. lead .. on. Really, zouk you don't stand a chance, I have standards.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Further, psychiatrists have no use for the 'unbiased' construct, we see human minds as a crazy quilt of bias layered on bias. Plato's shadows on the cave wall allegory comes to mind.

Cave allegory?

Rufas, is that you?

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

GOOD MORNING PEOPLE!
Grace Slick

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Ah, thanks for this.

Best post in quite a while.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Parting is such sweet sorrow" -- Shakespeare

12Bar: Palin said "you can see Russia from an island in Alaska," by way of .. not joking .. foreign policy credentials. Special geopolitical insight in a vague blur in the mists. Tina Fey changed it to "from my house" leading the late and unlamented JakeD to post about, oh, 500 times that Failin didn't say "from my house", neglecting to note what she actually did. He got a lot of mileage, most of it in fact, out of that autistic literalism thing. Like a bad penny I'm sure he'll turn up again sometime.

Hope we've heard the last of Palin.

Saigon airport. Jetsons-esque, modern and squeaky clean, headed home to Flintstones-esque US airports, shabby and dilapidated. Love that free market.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

GOOD MORNING PEOPLE!
Grace Slick

Now, lets see what the nighthawks left stuck on the screen....

"Shrink,
You don't present Rich of the New York Times as some sort of neutral, unbiased reporter do you? His opinion is no more relevant than yours or mine, he just gets paid more for it."

No. He is biased, which is why I referenced his opinion as a take and not as, for example, news of a finding.

Further, psychiatrists have no use for the 'unbiased' construct, we see human minds as a crazy quilt of bias layered on bias. Plato's shadows on the cave wall allegory comes to mind.

I don't know what you get paid for your opinion, but hour for hour on the job, for my opinion versus Frank Rich, who knows, maybe, maybe not. How much do almost famous columnists get paid these days?

Ah parenting advice, I love parenting advice. Since my kids are colored (25% aboriginal, two of their Grandparents were bone-in-the nose, Kalimantan Dyak, 25% Malay and 50% Anglo), we plan to milk the system dry. We expect them to be admitted to the finest schools on affirmative action (or whatever it has been re-named nowadays) quotas. We will sue anyone who gets crosswise with them, we'll have a Southern Poverty Law pro bono attorney follow them around always on the look out for hate speech...yep I got the whole plan dicked.

"Educate your children so they can obtain a set of job skills to compete in the high tech world of the twenty-first century..."

Are you nuts? They are entitled by virtue and I do mean virtue of being brown. We'll have the free lunch delivered, full ride baby, all the way.


Posted by: shrink2 | April 18, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Even your fellow stooge sees it

Noa, I will agree that you are you are pretty angry on here.


What measure does it take to penetrate the liberal fog of idiocy and hate? We have been told that this has been going on for decades, no doubt with countless victims and casualties along the way.

Get a real life loser. Take your hate and bile over to huff.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Oh lookee. There's our little ped. Hovering, waiting for anyone to talk to.

You're going to wear out that refresh button.

Still no friends huh? Maybe it's you. You should call your lawyer about it.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

So obvious the new guy sees it.

Your statement that you knew from the first that I was not who I am, evidently due to your genius in understanding writing styles is evidence in itself that you are a fool. A delusional fool. If you can't engage in civil discourse, stick a sock it. Frankly, you're a blowhard, and like most idiots, you are unable to realize that you are an idiot. You give liberals a bad name. But anytime you reference me in your rants, you can expect a response---whenever I get around to it.
In the meantime, just keep licking those boots. That's one thing at which you're evidently quite proficient.

Posted by: Brigade | April 18, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Whatever floats your rubber ducky, mental

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Poor lonely Ped.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 18, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Meh, zook could never carry on an extended conversation. Brigade can.

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I'll respond In kind to real posts. Agreed that this never happens with zouk, who either pastes others' writing or does original writing only to tell us how smart he thinks he and how dumb he thinks we are. And spilling over into the most vicious attacks you'll find most anywhere on the web.

But Brigade isn't new around here, only the moniker is. He shows up and instantly starts attacking the same people zouk attacks and in much the same terms, omitting only the moniker-mockery. This is a pattern zouk has followed several dozen times.

No matter. We can debate actual posts, and as long as Brigade does posts instead of "you're an idiot" which he does a lot, we can respond in kind. So far the y-a-i posts are prevailing, though.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 4:13 AM | Report abuse

McCain's refusal to "take the low road"

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What?!? Are you nuts?!?

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 3:02 AM | Report abuse

I think the biggest problem with conservatism is their lack of empathy

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Clinically corroborated in your own field. I read about a study of liberal & conservative mothers; a crying baby is (statistically significantly) more likely to be ignored by a conservative mother if he's been fed. I forget the little-r of the results, I'm sure you can track it down.

"He has no reason to cry. I don't want to encourage dependency."

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Part of the reason African American voters are wed to the Democratic party is that they are basically treated like pets. We'll take care of you! But dependence on government and the welfare state in general has caused much harm to the black community as witness the out of wedlock births and single-parent families. As I said earlier, if I could look fifty years down the road and see that 50% of African Americans were voting Republican, I would know they were doing fine and that they had joined the ranks of those who pay for government as well as those who depend on it. Having no blacks in the Republican party is not good for the party and, believe it or not, it's not good for blacks

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Reagan-era boilerplate and proxy racism. We all lived though the "culture of dependency" dog-whistle and we all know what it really means, so quit it.

The public official to had to most to say about the disintegration of the black family (the constructive stuff, I mean, not the derision you echo) was a Democrat, Sen. Moynihan. To lay out of wedlock births at the feet is the post-CRA Democratic Party is like blaming the Civil War on Dwight Eisenhower. The causality doesn't match the timeline.

And it's tiresome. Before minorities began to get federal help they had no opportunities for advancement and self-reliant advice was a nasty smirk and nothing more. Black doctorates were sweeping floors. The reason we have affirmative action is because without it they would still be sweeping floors.

Not all Republicans are racists and not all Democrats are free of racism. But the people who are subject to racism aren't any more idiots than anyone else and their impressions of who cares about them and who thinks they should peak as caddies and waiters is based on reality.

Your idea that ignoring the problem to make it go away isn't any better advice for racism than it is for cancer or diabetes, so quit it. Years of advancement to racial equality can be undone in a generation, if it's a right-wing generation. Just look at Ukraine, where after four generations of repression there was a resurgence of antisemitism the moment the pressure came off. This junk runs deep.

How many black Republican Congressmen? How many black Republican voters? You credit the welfare state for an awful lot.

@DDAWD: point taken.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 2:50 AM | Report abuse

Brigade, to be fair, Steele and Thomas subscribe to the school of "racism is dead except when it happens to me" I think the biggest problem with conservatism is their lack of empathy. Their inability to sense that the world is different than from what they have experienced. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck can talk about how great their experiences have been when they were faced with life strickening illnesses. But guess what? The US system SUCKS when you're not Limbaugh or Beck or even me, an NIH funded grad student with great government funded health care.

Why does Steele think he is the only victim of racism? No clue, but that kind of thinking is what will hurt their party the most. They can say that some people don't have health insurance because they are lazy. The people who happened to have some pre-existing condition may think differently.

But so far, Republicans have catered to the white male. A great political move 20 years ago. Not so much today. Steele is one who understands that this is terrible for long-term growth, but he is increasingly being drowned out by the people with football sized prostates who were at the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 18, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Great! Okay, you call me Zouk and I'll call you Drindl. How's that? Make sense?

Very poor use of straw men in your post. I didn't say anything about "media portrayals". I just said Frank Rich is not an unbiased fellow. I referenced racist Democrats of old but never said or implied that today's Democrats were racist.

I do think that the idea that "the GOP coddles and embraces racism is (largely) a manufactured thing." Which is not to say there are not racists in the party. I mentioned in my first post that I am an independent---conservative but not party affiliated. I doubt that Michael Steele, Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas, or Colin Powell are racists and I doubt that they coddle or embrace racism. I know a few people who voted for Obama who would not have done so had they known about Jeremiah Wright. I know that you and I heard about Jeremiah Wright until we knew it all by heart, but lots of voters don't pay particularly close attention to cable news, and McCain's refusal to "take the low road" and pursue an advertisting blitz of Obama/Wright ads probably cost him some votes. This doesn't mean he could have won, but it does mean he's probably not very racist.

Part of the reason African American voters are wed to the Democratic party is that they are basically treated like pets. We'll take care of you! But dependence on government and the welfare state in general has caused much harm to the black community as witness the out of wedlock births and single-parent families. As I said earlier, if I could look fifty years down the road and see that 50% of African Americans were voting Republican, I would know they were doing fine and that they had joined the ranks of those who pay for government as well as those who depend on it. Having no blacks in the Republican party is not good for the party and, believe it or not, it's not good for blacks. Big business leverages its bets by giving money to both parties. What is the Republican party going to do for a group who votes 95% against it? Bush did as much or more for Africa than any president in history. What good did it do him in the black community? Just because some Republicans are racist does not mean there should be no place in the Republican party for African Americans. Just my take.

Posted by: Brigade | April 18, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Meh, zook could never carry on an extended conversation. Brigade can. If the two are the same, zook really has me fooled.

Noa, I will agree that you are you are pretty angry on here. I'm from New Orleans, the only city in America that Republicans have actively tried to destroy, so no one feels more derision towards that party than I do. Noa, for all your anger, it's not even close as to who despises those people more. I do.

But that's not the point of this board. it's to discuss politics or whatever. You're at your best when you're not expressing your anger at Republicans. That's not interesting (to me at least) I want insight. I have my own anger. No need for you to supply it. Tell me something I don't know. You're technologically knowledgeable. You live in a country that none of us live in. Talk more about that stuff and less about how much you hate Republicans. At least from my point of view, I like that a lot more.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 18, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

There is no one who posts here who simmers with more bitterness and hatred and is more intolerant of opposing views than you.

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More of what another poster calls projection but which I prefer tp call very bold lying. There's one poster here who hates more avidly than all the rest put together and he posts under many monikers, yours being one of them.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Educate your children so they can obtain a set of job skills to compete in the high tech world of the twenty-first century, ignore the slurs of idiots who despise you, and by mid-century there will be a lot more blacks in the "party of big business and the rich".

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So black GOP affiliation is at 4% because of media portrayals? Is that your suggestion? Or is the perception that the GOP coddles and embraces racism a manufactured thing?

It gets a little tiresome, zouk, to have to explain yet again that the Democratic Party pre- and post-Civil Rights Act is a different group of people. LBJ buried his face in his hands and said he had just handed the south to the GOP for 20 years. He underestimated. Just like Strom Thurmond, the Dixiecrats turned Republilcan in a big lump and a lot, probably most, of the angry white-haired bigots at the TP rallies used to be Democrats.

You know this, of course, and choose to argue dishonestly. Noted.

Thanks for conceding that "there may be some bigots in the Republican Party." Don't look too hard, now. You may end up finding a manufactured impression. I guess bigots flock to the GOP and minorities flock away because of the "liberal media," right? They're all wrong, and you're right. Sure.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Noacoler,
There is no one who posts here who simmers with more bitterness and hatred and is more intolerant of opposing views than you.

And talk about slurs and insults.

Your statement that you knew from the first that I was not who I am, evidently due to your genius in understanding writing styles is evidence in itself that you are a fool. A delusional fool. If you can't engage in civil discourse, stick a sock it. Frankly, you're a blowhard, and like most idiots, you are unable to realize that you are an idiot. You give liberals a bad name. But anytime you reference me in your rants, you can expect a response---whenever I get around to it.
In the meantime, just keep licking those boots. That's one thing at which you're evidently quite proficient.

Posted by: Brigade | April 18, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Shrink,
You don't present Rich of the New York Times as some sort of neutral, unbiased reporter do you? His opinion is no more relevant than yours or mine, he just gets paid more for it.

I have confidence that the majority of blacks have the mettle to survive and prosper despite any racial barbs that might come their way from the minority of people who are unrepentantly bigoted. And these include Asians and Latinos as well as whites. I disagree that white bigots are somehow worse than black bigots. I assume you're not too familiar with Loonie Louie Farrahkan (or is it Farrakhan) and his endless rants against crackers, white devils, and bagel-eating Jews. When Jeremiah Wright said that Louie was a great man and that when he speaks, black people listen, I can think of no more damning indictment of African Americans that could possibly be delivered from any quarter outside the Klan itself. Anyone who takes seriously anything that self-loathing, delusional buffoon says is really going to be up against it if the time ever comes they need to pour pee out of a boot. I think more highly of African Americans in general than does Wright, evidently.

I've no doubt that there are racist Republicans. But there are plenty of anti-discrimination laws on the books. You just can't legislate that everyone like you. Bull Conner and George Wallace and most of the racists of the 50s and 60s were Democrats, but that didn't stop Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Kennedy from championing civil rights. I don't lay awake nights worrying what I'm going to do because the Nation of Islam doesn't like me, and my suggestion is that African-Americans take the same attitude toward racists of any stripe. Educate your children so they can obtain a set of job skills to compete in the high tech world of the twenty-first century, ignore the slurs of idiots who despise you, and by mid-century there will be a lot more blacks in the "party of big business and the rich". But it might be too late to burnish Michael Steele's reputation.

Posted by: Brigade | April 18, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

If Brigade is zook, we'll know soon enough. It's not like zook has ever been able to fool us with his other fifty name changes.

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Everyone else caught on from his first post. Really, his style is unmistakable. Sarcasm, derision, mockery, nothing else.

As long as I've been doing this stuff, from gay-politics mailing lists in the 90s to dot com message boards in the low aughts to here, it's very rare that conservatives can compose. It's always been what we see here: unattributed pastes from pithy sarcastic/mocking/derisive writers and lots of sarcastic/mocking/derisive posts about other posters.

Valley of the blind ... the neologists like leapin and armpeg count as geniuses among this group.

I concluded long ago that conservative stated principles like small government are shibboleths. It really is all about hate. Few indeed are the conservatives ... columnists, bloggers, or posters ... who can refrain for long from sarcasm/mockery/derisiveness. And bigotry.

Off topic: come visit this place sometime. Stay the hell out of Saigon unless you love cigarette smoke and dangerous driving.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 18, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh now look at this take,

"What is known is that the nearly all-white G.O.P. is so traumatized by race it has now morphed into a bizarre paragon of both liberal and conservative racial political correctness. For irrefutable proof, look no further than the peculiar case of its chairman, Steele, whose reckless spending and incompetence would cost him his job at any other professional organization, let alone a political operation during an election year. Steele has job security only because he is the sole black man in a white party hierarchy."

The zinger...

"That hierarchy is as fearful of crossing him as it is of calling out the extreme Obama haters in its ranks."

NYT Frank Rich

Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Republicans need to find a better public face. When your party chooses to be the safe haven for bigots, this is what happens.

Good luck with these people, Republicans.

Jeremiah Wright can not hold a candle to your fellow travelers.

"The white supremacists, many of them wearing flack helmets and black military fatigue uniforms, shouted "Sieg Heil" before each of their speakers took the podium to taunt counter-protesters with racial, anti-Semitic and misogynistic epithets.

"We will meet you head on," one of the white supremacists, whose name could not be made out over the fuzzy public address system, warned the crowd from behind several phalanxes of police in riot gear.

Members of the Detroit-based group said they picked the location for their rally because of Los Angeles' large immigrant population."


Republicans could beat Democrats, but not if they own this.

So what will they say?
Bad coloreds provoke good whites?


Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

There really is no one. Not a single one of them has a positive vision, either -- it's all attack, attack, attack. Talking this week even about trying to take stimulus money back from middle-class people who got tax cuts and small businesses? Yeah, that's a winner.

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Dirac's electron hole and antimatter.

Not only no positive vision but endless ugliness. Hate and fear and bigotry. What else do they have? Can any of these Republicans summon anything appealing? No. Beware terrorists, beware blacks, trust the markets, hate hate hate.

Who would you rather see in control here, zouk or 12Bar? Microcosm of the next election.

It's not just conservative BLOGGERS who are have-crazed mental patients.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"...if we allow the unscrupulous to buy fire insurance on other peoples' houses, the incidence of arson would rise dramatically."

This is a poor analogy, a worse metaphor.

Fraud is not about incentives.

Goldman's intent was to make a sure thing happen in a risky market.

Were you aware that predators hate risk? Predators want easy, safe kills.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

@noa: This 37/zouk-dominated thread suggests the blog needs a "time out" while the Post decides whether this blog is a one employee's personal Facebook page providing a forum for free GOP political ads, shoutouts to cronies, cherrypicked biased polls (sometimes to the exclusion of the employer's polls), racist posts, smears of our President, and personal attacks, OR is a legitimate sounding board for legit political news and analysis.

The choice is the Post's. Oh well.

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I don't think Cillizza has the sensibility for this; when he ignores HCR passage for has-been nobody Dan Coats and hyperventilates over Pwlenty, he's unable to hide his biases.

Allowing daily litigable libel is another data point. I say fire him.

And yeah, these comments should be shut down at least for a few months. Two mental cases doing more than half the posts; on most forums multiple monikers are an immediate no-warning ban. Zouk has how many?!?

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

As Zouk heads for his charity event,
I just finished mine. Our turn to host the neighborhood association. Kook speeches, but no rubber chicken. We (my wife helped) did these people right.

12 bar, stop worrying about Goldman. You are panicking. It is just a lawsuit. Do you remember when the Dow used to gain and lose 700 and even 900 and people could only guess why? and there was always some goofy reason that made no sense? This is not that time.

Look'it, if on Monday or later next week, the sh!t hits the fan, I will tell you I was wrong. But you are being silly.

Think politics. Wall Street is trying to buy an Obama walk back on Finance reform.
Republicans are out of power, so they are the tools, the bag men. Actually, they are tools.

Obama, sorry, the SEC, performs a targeted assassination on someone who does not matter too much or too little at a firm that is larger than life.

If on Monday this is old news and the markets are chugging on as usual...hey, say the serenity prayer. This ain't sh!t. It is just politics.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I honestly don't see what the big deal is with getting different identities. This is an internet message board. We aren't applying for credit cards here. If someone acts like a jackass, I won't talk to him. If not, then I will. I'm not going to worry about trying to identify who is who. If Brigade is zook, we'll know soon enough. It's not like zook has ever been able to fool us with his other fifty name changes.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 17, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

BB, it's New Orleans, so I wouldn't be too surprised if Cao's successor is the next Blago, haha. Hopefully not, though. I'd told Cao I'm not voting for him, but if the Dem turns out to have ethical issues, I will. I actually voted for the Green Party in 2008 because I was worried that Cao would just toe the party line. (I was actually pretty surprised to find that he's a Republican)

As for food, I realized that I don't know a lot about New Orleans restaurants. I know of all sorts of other types of restaurants, but not so much locally styled. I realized this when my parents came to visit me last December. I had a hard time suggesting places to eat. I've been trying to do more of that since then. I think my parents want to come and see my thesis defense.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 17, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

A little less topical: I noticed while browsing some of the earlier threads that there is a chap who goes by Scrivner (or something to that effect) who continually posts about some secret and dastardly plot involving microwaves and cell-phone towers. But no one ever replies or responds.

Now, since I have started posting here, a number of people have suggested that I must be someone other than who I am. Is there some connection between this and the conspiracy involving the towers? Should I stop checking my basement for giant seed pods that Moonbat or Comrade-Zero may have placed there and start avoiding cell-phone towers and power transformers.

And, Drindl, I'm not obsessing, but there's a call for you at the front desk. I think it's George Kaplan.

Posted by: Brigade | April 17, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"If the allegations against Goldman Sachs are true, then much of the blame for investors’ losses in the Abacus deal can be laid at the feet of an obscure statute passed by Congress in 2000, the “Commodities Futures Modernization Act.”

By eliminating this centuries-old rule in the name of “modernization,” Congress created enormous problems of moral hazard in the off-exchange derivatives market. Imagine, for example, if we allow the unscrupulous to buy fire insurance on other people’s houses; the incidence of arson would rise dramatically.

Similarly, by allowing an unscrupulous hedge fund to use derivatives to bet against an Abacus investment vehicle it didn’t own, the Commodities Futures Modernization Act invited that hedge fund to work with Goldman Sachs to make sure that Abacus would indeed fail — as it did."

Lynn A. Stout is the Paul Hastings professor of corporate and securities law at U.C.L.A. and an expert on corporate governance.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

On topic: it's a given that Republicans are going to pick up house seats in the mid-terms. How many? It's a long time until November and lots can happen between now and then. If I were Obama, I'd stop trying to "sell" healthcare reform, which has already passed, and let the Democratic incumbents sell themselves back home. The economy---if and how fast it turns around---is the real wild card.

Cliche says all politics is local and the vast majority of house seats are safe. We saw in the race for Wexler's seat in Florida that the current national political winds had no effect whatsoever.
The few swing districts that are actually in play are mostly now held by Democrats, so naturally they will lose a number of them. If you're a Democrat in a conservative congressional district, you're in trouble, just as the moderate Republicans who held seats in Democrat leaning districts were the first to go in the purges of 2006 and 2008. This is why the congress is so polarized; the moderates are the ones whom the voters keep throwing under the bus. Congress has a low approval rating, but it's because voters hate the representatives in some other voters' districts. Nancy Pelosi may be the most hated woman in America, but certainly not in San Francisco.

It's going to be a high hill to climb for Republicans to regain control of the House
in one election cycle. I'll defer to the expertise of others on most of the individual races, but it's the pulse of locals that must be studied. The national polls mean little.

The Senate is a different story. I doubt that Repubs can regain control this time around; there just aren't enough doable seats in play. But the national pulse definitely makes a difference here. I want to see the Republicans gain seats so the President will have to proceed in a more bipartisan way. The race I'm really interested in is for Harry Reid's seat. His poll numbers are in the 30s, and many pundits are writing him off. I don't particularly care for ole Harry, but he has lots of power, lots of friends, and lots of money---and I'm not writing him off just yet.

Posted by: Brigade | April 17, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

margaretmeyers


Do you realize how VILE playing the RACE CARD is ???

Obama should resign over this.

In any other era, when personal honor meant anything, people resigned over things like this.

Obama's conduct has COMPLETELY DISQUALIFIED HIMSELF from any leadership position in this country.

If you do not take this issue seriously, this country has a problem on its hands.

It is intolerable to have the nation in the hands of people who are so willing to play the RACE CARD.

AND then your side complains that everyone else is getting nasty.


It is a real joke.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

How many days in a row is this blog going to get bogged down in the racist finger pointing?
The topic has been done already.
We know everyone's opinion on this issue. No minds will be changed.

Let us all move on to other political issues. Surely those on the left have many more legitimate reasons to mock and reject the TEA Party and their puppet masters, the God Offal Party.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 17, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that was supposed to be hopefullly, the next occupant of the seat is a greater soul than Blago.

Incidentally, just checked out the Court's menu. I'd forgotten the turtle soup I had (which was wonderful). I hope to have a repeat visit at some point.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 17, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD - There's a MIke Flanagan link in item #2. He defeated Dan Rostenkowski and then promptly loss to Blago the next election.

So, taking the theme of defeating a longtime Rep with a corruption scandal and then losing promptly at the next election. Hopefully,

I fondly my one trip down their. The missuz occasionally worked as a interpreter at a school in Baton Rouge (it used to be the School of the Americas). I visited her one time while we were dating and we spent a day new New Orleans. Had the best pecan pie of my life at the Court of the Two Sisters (not to mention a LOT of oysters).

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 17, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go. Rubber chicken and silent auctions. I yeild the terrain to the moonbats.

Ttfn

Posted by: Moonbat | April 17, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Noa, there is actually a pretty sizable Vietnamese population here in New Orleans. I forget why, I think they moved here as traders or something a long time ago. The med school class that graduated last year actually had like five or six Nguyens and two or three Phams. They tend to vote Democrat, but a lot of them switched over for Cao. (in fact, a lot of people switched over for Cao rather than vote for Jefferson)

BB (or anyone else) what Cao link are you referring to? I decided to celebrate my first day of freedom in a while by not sitting at the computer, so I don't really feel like catching up.

At my first crawfish boil of the year. Crawfish is good, but I think DC seafood is better than New Orleans seafood. Also, it seems like the weather is at the end of being nice and now we're in for the hot period.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 17, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

@comrade,

Even if the timing of the SEC filing is intentional, that doesn't mean the case has no merit.

From a strictly commonsense point of view:

You design a security to fail and then sell it to other clients without disclosing that it was designed to fail. It fails within 6 months. If that's not fraud, I don't know what is.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

@comrade,

Did you look at the options for GS? I've sworn off options forever, so I don't even remember how to evaluate them (probably never did and that's why I've sworn off).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

there is more to this.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I agree with shrink. this is obama manipulating public opinion. Remember when he said he would consider offshore drilling. not so. Just sounds good.

now he is ready to try the people vs the powerful arm twist to ram through his finance "reforms". today he announced it was a crisis and it needed to be done immediately or the world would end. and what is front and center in the news, the powerful wall street firm replete with cheats. convenient huh. Lenin and Trotsky would be proud.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

@comrade,

I'm not arguing whether what they did was illegal. That will come out in due course.

What I'm saying is twofold: First, the appearances are lethal. Most Americans think GS is the architect of the whole collapse, so this just confirms those impressions. (My personal view is that GS was certainly in the middle of the folks who took things down.

Second, I can't shake this idea that you can't drive a $185 stock down 13% for a one-transaction one-trader suit. Ordinarily that would be small potatoes. There is more to this. Now, I admit, I could be wrong and this is just one of those buying opportunities. If I'm wrong, I hope you make a few dollars on the trade.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I bet you can spot dribbl here somewhere. not like she has anything else to do"

I just scroll past, but it's boooring.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

she reads it BUT/AND she just scrolls past. Still confused. still not making any sense. did hubbie hide your ice cream money again?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

12bar. that is the usual MO for Feds. they threaten to crush a mid level person with legal fees unless they flip on the next guy up the chain. but that tactic indicates they don't have much actual evidence. It is not clear to me that what they did is (or was at the time) illegal, despite the unsavory nature of it all.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"I bet you can spot dribbl here somewhere. not like she has anything else to do"

You see, 12Bar, that even if I totally ignore him, if I do not refer to him in any way, he will still gratuitously attempt to insult me in these infantile ways, any time I am here. I just scroll past, but it's boooring.

He's just hateful. He detests not only most of the people here, but entire countries, by his own admission.

It's too bad, because he's not stupid and has things to say, but mostly he doesn't because he has a mean streak a mile wide and he tends to break into this juvenile 'berry' 'teleprompter' and 'peloosi' idiocy most of the time.

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Well this year's election can not come fast enough - I can tell you that.

Obama's FRAUD must be exposed.

Everyone in the country will be REMINDED TIME AND TIME AGAIN what Obama promised on the campaign trail.

AND - Everyone will be reminded time and time again about the health care bill.

Obama wanted to pass the health care bill so that the voters would forget about it by November. OH NO THEY WON'T.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

when you travel to a foreign city, you begin to feel uncomfortable in a certain dark alley with people unlike you around.


Especially if you are wearing a Sarah Palin button and surrounded by angry liberals.

angry liberals. but I repeat myself. kind of like very unique. I hate that one.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Speculation about what could be coming next as a result of the Goldman Sachs suit.

“Any investor who bought these C.D.O.’s and lost a significant amount of money is probably looking at their investment and wanting to know: what were the details behind the sale?” said William Tanona, an analyst at Collins Stewart. “Will they contact the S.E.C. and say, ‘Here’s the transaction we participated in, and we’d love to know who is on the other side of it?’ ” ...

"Goldman faces a dilemma in its response. Wall Street firms tend to settle cases like this one, but Goldman’s statement on Friday indicated it intended to dig in its heels and fight, perhaps in part to discourage suits by investors. That strategy could set it up for a long, messy and public battle."...

"The S.E.C. complaint named just one Goldman employee: Fabrice Tourre, a vice president in the bank’s mortgage operation who worked on the questionable transaction.

But securities lawyers say Mr. Tourre appears to be a small fish. Federal investigators may try to gain his cooperation and extend their investigation to other Goldman employees. On Friday, Mr. Tourre’s lawyer did not provide a comment on the complaint.

A big question is how far up this might go. The S.E.C. said the deal in its complaint had been approved by a panel at Goldman, the Mortgage Capital Committee. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/business/18goldman.html?pagewanted=2&src=busln

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


What is your stance toward Rev. Wright - clearly he was a racist - his website said that there were separate values systems - a white value system and a black value system.


So - "put up with racists in their midst"

Isn't that what Obama did with Rev. Wright ?

And then Obama tried to stand by Rev. Wright for weeks.

Exactly what is supposed to be the "test" for racist ???

So - 12Bar, your position is that at the GATES OF THE TEA PARTY RALLIES, A "RACISM TEST" BE APPLIED - and that some people be denied entry ?


Is that your position???

NOW = do you support the same sort of test for BLACK RACISTS???

Just asking -


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


What is your stance toward Rev. Wright - clearly he was a racist - his website said that there were separate values systems - a white value system and a black value system.


So - "put up with racists in their midst"

Isn't that what Obama did with Rev. Wright ?

And then Obama tried to stand by Rev. Wright for weeks.

Exactly what is supposed to be the "test" for racist ???

So - 12Bar, your position is that at the GATES OF THE TEA PARTY RALLIES, A "RACISM TEST" BE APPLIED - and that some people be denied entry ?


Is that your position???

NOW = do you support the same sort of test for BLACK RACISTS???

Just asking -


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

37

all that may be true, but it detracts from the better line of attack which is big government, big spending, weak foreign policy, big taxes and contempt for the people. I think we have enough to go on.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Not every single one of them, but they put up with racists in their midst.

Posted by: 12BarBlues


this is a very interesting point. I beleive that we each have a level of racism and other bigotries within us, which do not often or always rear their head. for example, in your office you may not think of anyone as different but when you travel to a foreign city, you begin to feel uncomfortable in a certain dark alley with people unlike you around.

It is most certainly a level of degree and even particular races. for example, I detest Australians. And often Canadians. I also feel very uncomfortable around half indian left handers.

No not really.

but my bosses wife who grew up in India hates the Brits. It is a historical thing and he thinks its unusual. I thought it was totally expected. Have you ever eaten British food?

In modern times, it is considered ignorant to display racist thoughts out loud so these sentiments have mostly gone underground. But they are still there, no matter what anyone says.

A psychological study was done with groups of people in a party situation. Over a short time, all the like races assembled together in the room. I bet no one there would have admiited it was done conciously.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Good for the Tea Party, concludes Brad Porter at The Crossed Pond, a conservative roundtable blog. Porter sees the Taitz blackballing as evidence of a good-faith effort among Tea Partiers to "disown the fringe elements" of the movement.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Comrade_Zero


If Obama enrolled in a University as a foreign student, he must have signed a certification that he was a foreigner.

That is a problem.


There is something curious about the story - perhaps when Obama's Indonesian father adopted him, Obama BECAME AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN - however at the time, there was no dual citizenship between Indonesia and the US - so Obama's parents gave up Obama's US citizenship at that point.

Then when Obama traveled to Pakistan when he was in college, it would have been under his Indonesian passport.


There is another story, which I would like verified - stating that a US citizen could not travel to Pakistan at that time on a US passport - so it would make sense that Obama had an Indonesian passport to make that trip. Both Pakistan and Indonesia are Muslim countries, so travel on those passports would be easy.

Going back to Obama's school transcripts - RELEASE THEM - what is the problem - WHY ARE THEY ALLOWING QUESTIONS TO LINGER OUT THERE ???

Just release the transcripts - if Obama was enrolled as a foreigner, he is going to have to deal with it.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party gets it:

Tea Party Drops Orly Taitz From Speaking Engagement
More
By Alex Eichler on April 14, 2010 2:17pm

Orly Taitz, an Orange County dentist and leading voice in the far-right "birther" movement, had a speaking invitation from the Tea Party rescinded this week. Taitz was scheduled to address an April 15 Tea Party gathering in California, but organizers of the event balked at the last minute, saying that Taitz's decidedly non-mainstream views are "not what the Tea Party is about at this point." A number of Republican Senate hopefuls scheduled to speak at the rally have also been quick to distance themselves from Taitz, which observers on both the left and right regard as a politically shrewd move.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

And another one bites the dust:

April 16, 2010
Judge Dismisses Suit by Birther Activist Orly Taitz

A federal judge has dismissed a Washington lawsuit by “birther” activist Orly Taitz challenging President Barack Obama’s citizenship. ...

Lamberth dismissed a slew of other counts in which Taitz alleged violations of the False Claims Act, the Freedom of Information Act, and the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act. He also rejected her argument that the recently passed health care reform act was unconstitutional because, having failed to prove he was a natural born citizen, Obama did not have the authority to sign the bill into law. Lamberth pointed out that at the time she amended her complaint to include that claim, Obama had not actually signed the bill.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I made excuses for a few years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
that is good. Obama needs experienced people behind him.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Its just that his grandmother said he was born in Kenya.


And his sisters gave two different hospitals he was supposed to be born in.

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL about Obama signing a release - and allowing the Hawaii Dept of Health to RELEASE THE CONTENTS OF THE FILE ON OBAMA???

THEY ARE HIDING DOCUMENTS IN HAWAII.

There is also the question - does the Hawaii Dept of Health issue the same "Certificate of Live Birth" to American mothers who have their babies abroad ??? if they do, the document we have PROVES NOTHING.

Again - WHAT IS WRONG WITH OBAMA SIGNING A RELEASE ATHORIZING THE HAWAII DEPT OF HEALTH TO RELEASE THE CONTENTS OF THE FILE ON OBAMA???


WHAT ARE THEY HIDING ????

IF THEY ARE NOT HIDING ANYTHING, RELEASING THE DOCUMENTS SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM, RIGHT ????

NO AMERICAN SHOULD OBJECT TO THE RELEASE OF THE CONTENTS OF THE FILE.

That is all.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

So, therefore, he can't be an American, he must be foreign.

there is smoething about those documents that he prefers to remain hidden. He has fought this for years spending millions to defend it. I personally do not think it was that he was born elsewhere, but perhaps his passport or school records indicate something abherrent. What happened to his Pakistan passport?

I saw something the other day that said there is only one single person in this country named Barack Obama yet there are many social security numbers attached. Strange? why the hiding of school records? there is something untoward hiding there.

I suspect he converted his passport to another country and didn't change it back in time to qualify properly, or claimed foreign student category for AA reasons on school loans or registration.

what a gold mine that would be for Jake.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

here are some real winners?
I bet you can spot dribbl here somewhere. not like she has anything else to do:

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612

you liberals are a joke. all you do is whine and complain and beg to have someone from the government come to bail you out when you get into trouble.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Another example of sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind. The Catholic Church, of which I am a lifetime member, put up with and covered up pedophilia. They did this at the highest and lowest levels for years and years. Now, keep in mind that I have a Catholic bishop in my family, so this isn't that easy to say. I made excuses for a few years. Now, I've got to say, the Church is taking a well deserved hit for this coverup. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Spread the liberal love:

Signs carried by liberals:

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

@comrade,

Exactly. Using the meme Obama was born in Kenya as an example. No amount of proof can dislodge that story. My opinion is that Obama, as a black man, does not fit the traditional story that only white men are President. So, therefore, he can't be an American, he must be foreign. That plays to a certain part of the electorate, who will NEVER believe otherwise. Fortunately, the meme does not appeal to a very large percentage, or Obama would not have been elected.

In the Fey/Palin case, there is a much higher percentage who believe it.

In the "T people are racially motivated" meme, even more believe it. I believe it. Not every single one of them, but they put up with racists in their midst.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

But certainly NOT

transparancy
OR
bipartisanship
Or
line by line
OR
no lobbyists
OR
not one dime
OR
post racial
OR
we will extend a hand
Or
remake our image
OR...........

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

The point I'm making (and some others I think) is not based on statistics. The power of a confirmation of what most people already thought is tremendous.

I see what you mean. for example:

Barack's home country of Kenya
Or
Whether we like it or not
Or
typical white person
Or
downright mean country
or
fundamental change
or
spread the wealth around
or..........

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

12Bar -- all you have to do look at the signs baggers carry, what they say themselves. It's all out there already.

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Real succesful bsinessmen like Buffet are comfortable in their own skin and don t need to brag

you don't actually know any successful businessmen do you finance whiz? that's why you pick some celebrity as your anecdote. I find Libs use of anecdote to form policy quite pitiful. "Poor grandma, needs big government to save her from the evil capitalist. Make junior pay. he's got his whole life to come up with the dough."

Indeed. The obama plan involves coopting Junior for his whole life to pay for the mess he is creating. all to feed the reelection prospects from unions and old folks. but he was so clueless he actually alienated the geezers instead. and lost millions of others. they are actually gathering in the streets in bigger numbers every day. Only the loons think it is racism. anyone with eyes and ears know it is anti-socialism.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"Crist on an independent bid: "I'm not thinking about that today. We'll look at that later on."

Sounds like Scarlett O'Hara, but it looks like he's going to go for it. This should be fun. Wonder what the party will offer him to quit-- bucketloads of the Wall Street cash they're getting for opposing regulation?

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

@comrade,

Your point that the UW poll proves nothing is heard by me. You may have some legitimate issues about the methodology. You could read the 538 blog and read REAMS of issues, which did seem to get knocked down day by day, but maybe you'll disagree.

The point I'm making (and some others I think) is not based on statistics. The power of a confirmation of what most people already thought is tremendous. Look at Tina Fey and the "seeing Russia from my house". I don't think Mrs. Palin EVER said that. But, did that matter? No, because Tina Fey so completely captured her personality and quirks that we all believed she did say it, or could have. Did Tina Fey do lasting damage to Mrs. Palin's prospects? Absolutely. Is it fair? I don't suppose so, except that Mrs. Palin is not qualified for high office whether she sees Russia from her house or not. Had not Mrs. Palin not sown the wind (said stupid things, was uninformed) she never would have reaped the whirlwind (being generally thought stupid, uninformed).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Haven't we been over this before? How hard is it for you to understand ???

The blacks are putting their support for Obama based on race - NOT based on policy.

So there are less blacks for the Tea Party Movement to draw from - on the basis of policy.

When these people get up in the morning is any excluding the blacks from the Tea Party Movement ? NO

The blacks are NOT going to the Tea Party Rallies BASED ON THEIR RACE - NO ONE ELSE'S RACE.

And you are being racist by saying that the "blacks should believe in certain policies because they are black."


Sorry - Bush had his protestors - all of a sudden because the protestors are against a democratic president - it has to be on account of race - it is not.

Anyone who calls the Tea Party Movement racist - they are being racist themselves.

The DEMOCRATS PLAYING SUCH A RACE CARD are ALSO PROVING THAT THEY ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO HANDLE A BLACK PRESIDENT.

Case closed.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

How many people visited your loony tunes website this year dribbl?

does it still have a picture of Bush with the big ears? that was so funny and original, no wonder you had to upgrade your networks and servers every other week.


PPPPfffftttt.

I'll take Rush anyday.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

" It explains the signs, the anger, the birther junk, the absence of T people during GWB administration.

The UW poll is like a puzzle piece, once inserted, fits perfectly. Click. "

And the batsh*t craziness and violence.

"Yesterday, hate radio host Rush Limbaugh talked about the volcanic eruption that’s affecting air travel over much of Europe, saying it was “God speaking” in response to the passage of health care:

You know, a couple of days after the health care bill had been signed into law Obama ran around all over the country saying, “Hey, you know, I’m looking around. The earth hadn’t opened up. There’s no Armageddon out there. The birds are still chirping.” I think the earth has opened up. God may have replied. This volcano in Iceland has grounded more airplanes — airspace has more affected — than even after 9/11 because of this plume, because of this ash cloud over Northern and Western Europe. At the Paris airport they’re telling people to head to the train station to catch trains out of France, and when people get to the train station they’re telling people, “There aren’t any seats until at least April 22nd,” basically a week from now. It’s got everybody in a shutdown. Earth has opened up. I don’t know whether it’s a rebirth or Armageddon. Hopefully it’s a rebirth, God speaking."

Looks like the fat nutbag is on the pills again-- this is hilarious. Passing HCR was worth it just to see how crazy it's making the wingers.

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

so no matter how much debunking, liberals beleive what they like, science and math be damned.

Exactly.

this is the attitude that will lead to your utter devestation in november.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

No wonder you couldn't hack it in finance, whiz. you're logic is a mess.

Let's review.

A and Not A do not preclude something else like B.

for example, I claim that certain people don't do A. This says nothing about the sets not A or B, they may not have any common elements.

Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure Buffett doesn't ride the bus or brag about juice bar conquests. And he famously turned on Obama recently over spending. so he is a concerned capitalist, not a socialist, as am I.
do you really want to spend your time defending the disgusting Ped on this blog?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The poll just confirms what we already, knew, that's what it is, 12 Bar.

'Hope this Goldman Wunderkind likes twisting in the wind.'

Deserves everything he gets.. . another Ken Lay.

"At this late day and yes, it is late, this is the era of the perpetual campaign, no one has any idea who might beat Obama. We sure have some good ideas as to who could not: Romney, Palin, Huck, Jindal, Pawlenty, Thune, Brown, McDonnell and so on, none of the above."

Gingrich might get some traction, although he's got some ugly negatives.. but then also he's talking about shutting down the government again. That worked so well last time.

There really is no one. Not a single one of them has a positive vision, either -- it's all attack, attack, attack. Talking this week even about trying to take stimulus money back from middle-class people who got tax cuts and small businesses? Yeah, that's a winner.

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The impression that the T people are racist is one they created themselves (and was amplified by the left). They sowed the wind and are now reaping the whirlwind. Other pollsters, I suspect, will poll about T party attitudes, and the results will be similar. We all knew in our deepest hearts that the underlying emotion under the T Party's message was one of fear of "the other". It explains the signs, the anger, the birther junk, the absence of T people during GWB administration.

The UW poll is like a puzzle piece, once inserted, fits perfectly. Click.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Zouk states that only losers people who hate capitalism, not "Real Businessmen", state they have $5 lunches or brag how much money they saved. Real businessmen according to zouk brag incessantly about their toys. Tell that to Warren Buffet who regularly appears on Squawk Box to talk about Berkshire s latest acquisitions and about his 20 year old car and the same house he has lived in since the seventies Real succesful bsinessmen like Buffet are comfortable in their own skin and don t need to brag. But since Warren is a D he must be a loser, a failed busnessman a known socialist.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 17, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I am not surprised that you liberals always know everything without the need for evidence, reason or facts.

If any science arrives and it helps your position, great. If not, it must be junk science. the entire climategate situation proves this and now you are on a quest to show that anyone who doesn't like socialism is a racist.

Of course, you will find "evidence" like you cited here. the same evidence that predicted extinct Polar bears, who are thriving nonetheless.

that is not science, that is ideaology.

Math is not your freind. and please stay away from economics. We all know what happens when Libs venture into that arena.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

BTW loon baghdad BJ, is this a sanctioned poll?

OK, your ignorance has amused me endlessly today. sorry if it made you feel stupid. But you should know that out of 1o people at the coffee shop, only 6 had ever heard of the stooges and of those, only three thought they were really stupid and of those three, one thought stooges did not make any sense at the Fix.

conclusion. Beyond any doubt, stooges are stupid.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

12, I agree. We already knew they were racist loons but the sympathizers would claim their bigoted outbursts were isolated events or atypical of the whole group. This poll proves that's all baloney. The MSM needs to get the results of this poll out there so the baggers are stripped of any mainstream legitimacy.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 17, 2010 3:36 PM
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I think there needs to be further polling in the arena of attitudes. Either they will confirm the UW poll or they won't.

Did your source talk about the T people's attitudes toward Hispanics and gays?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I will make it simple for you public school drop outs.

take 494 whites.
subtract out the ones who never heard of tea parties - 30% result 296

Of these, 32 percent approved - that is 94.

From these between 35-45 percent registered something "objectionable" to the PC loons over at Kos. That makes about 30 out of the original sample of 1000. or roughly 3% with a margin of error of 3.1 percent.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I wonder why they didn't publish the results from the blacks and latinos. I wonder why it is so unclear about their methods? I wonder why the sample was so small and aimed at bystanders who are not related to tea parties in any way?

If that is not refutation, you are hopeless.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

12, I agree. We already knew they were racist loons but the sympathizers would claim their bigoted outbursts were isolated events or atypical of the whole group. This poll proves that's all baloney. The MSM needs to get the results of this poll out there so the baggers are stripped of any mainstream legitimacy.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 17, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, on the Republican 2012 candidate, they have no one. Obama was very well established as The One this time last time.

Everyone knew taking back the White House would be between The One v. The Clintons.

At this late day and yes, it is late, this is the era of the perpetual campaign, no one has any idea who might beat Obama. We sure have some good ideas as to who could not: Romney, Palin, Huck, Jindal, Pawlenty, Thune, Brown, McDonnell and so on, none of the above.

How awful for the Republican Rising! It is like a bad draft year in pro sports. Mediocre talent, you can hype it, but it is still mediocre talent.

Obama is vulnerable no doubt, but I love mixed metaphors and this Republican crop is withering in the field.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Interesting discussions over the weekend. I presume that there

There's an interesting postscript to the Cao link. Michael Flanagan was defeated by the one and only Rod Blagoyevich. Makes me wonder if the winner of the NO seat has an interesting career ahead of him or her.

Sadly, Sheffield United's final chance ended today with Swansea winning 3 - 1. Another season in the oddly named Championship for the Blades.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 17, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Still can't knock down the baggers-are-racists poll, huh, mooned/zouk? How do you get around...FACTS. Can't, can you?

Major shout out to the University of Washington, BTW.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 17, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I forgot to subtract out the third that had never heard of the tea parties, although the article didn't say the make up of that population. If we apply it equally that brings our actual result down to about 4% of the population of bystanders that thinks some people don't earn their keep.

with a margin of error over 3%.

Liberal math hard at work.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

this is the poll that settles it all???

The survey found that 30 percent of respondents had never heard of the tea party, but among those who had, 32 percent strongly approved of it. In that group, 56 percent of Republicans strongly approved, 31 percent of independents strongly approved and 5 percent of Democrats strongly approved.

Among whites who approved, 35 percent said they believe blacks to be hardworking, 45 percent said they believe them intelligent and 41 percent said they believe them trustworthy.

Whites who disapprove of President Barack Obama, the survey found, are 55 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who say they approve of him.

"Are we in a post-racial society? Our survey indicates a resounding no,"Parker said.

Conducted by telephone from Feb. 8 to March 15, the survey reached 494 whites, 380 blacks, 77 Latinos and 64 members of other races. The sampling error margin is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. The Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race and Sexuality and the UW Department of Political Science paid for the survey. It was conducted by the UW's Center for Survey Research.

http://uwnews.org/article.asp?articleid=56877

Let's do the math. 494 whites. 32 percent approved. that's 158 Of them. about half thought in a way that offended the sensibilites of the loon here - about 75 out of 1000 random people. not even actual tea party members, just bystanders.

that settles it?

so let's conclude that about 7 percent of the population might think that certain segments of the population are unfairly advantaged despite not earning their reward.

Talk about a nonsense poll.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

@BWJ,

The most damning thing about the U of W poll is that it confirms what most of us suspected anyway. It's sort of like the Goldman Sachs lawsuit. The suit itself isn't a whole lot, but it confirms what we all suspected anyway (that GS was somehow engineering the financial collapse). Another example is Tina Fey channeling Mrs. Palin that she could see Russia from her house. Most of us can't mentally separate Tina Fey from Sarah Palin, because Fey confirmed what we already thought.

I have been surprised that the UofW poll hasn't gotten much more attention. There has been a 3 day kerfuffle at 538.com about what it says, doesn't, weaknesses, methodology. It seems that the statisticians over at 538 seem to be reasonably comfortable now with the poll, so maybe it will be coming out more in the mainstream press.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The timing is not "fortunate", I am saying it was a political decision to do this, not just the timing, the suit itself, the fact that it names a 31 year old vice president, this is all politics.

Hope this Goldman Wunderkind likes twisting in the wind. He is about to find out whether he has any friends. I'll bet he doesn't.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 2:58 PM
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No, I got it. Planned timing, probably.

Another interesting timing effect, I think Friday was options closing date. Interesting choice of days to announce a GS shock. I'm a little surprised that the SEC would make an announcement on that day. But, I could just be extra cynical. Wouldn't be the first time.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

This poll is the final word, case closed
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I suppose that when a idiot like you makes just such a pronouncement, that the actual reality is anything but.

opposite blog. remember.

If only everyone who is against berry in anyway were just doing it out of racism, then we could proceed apace at socialism.

Perhaps they are.

But what if they are not? what if indeed there are over half the voters deeply disturbed by the growth of spending and government. what then?

Let me guess the liberal reply:

F them, those racists.

Well let me inform you. November is on the way and it looks REAL BAD for Libs. Take all the slanted polls you want. there is only one actual poll that will count. I foresee that the important poll will result in a famous quote from donald Trump aimed at the washington liberals.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The timing is not "fortunate", I am saying it was a political decision to do this, not just the timing, the suit itself, the fact that it names a 31 year old vice president, this is all politics.

Hope this Goldman Wunderkind likes twisting in the wind. He is about to find out whether he has any friends. I'll bet he doesn't.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Zero/mooned/zouk had no rebuttal to the University of Washington poll that proves, once and for all, the baggers are racists attests to the power of the poll. This poll is the final word, case closed. So when someone suggests the baggers are "tax protesters" -- LOL -- that person is likely a fellow traveler in bagger hate.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 17, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Whether we like it or not, American remains a dominant military power."


OH MAN.


I am OFFENDED by this comment


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Oh, 12bar, I see it now. how could I have missed it?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Meanwhile, rabbel rousing Ped had three Viet Cong soldiers on their feet cheering the hammer and sickle over the weekend.

Liberal moonbat dribbl successfully lifted ice cream money while her husband was snoozing:"

LOL

I ageee. those were pretty funny quips. but I would have expected more of a ROTFLOL from a twit like you.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

""only 35 percent said they believe blacks are hard-working, only 45 percent believe blacks are intelligent, and just 41 percent believe that they’re trustworthy."

If we're talking about Dear Reader comrade Obimbo, I am afraid I agree.

Unless golf and foreign travels for empty speeches is hard work.

Unless proununcing corpsman wrong is a sign of intelligence.

Unless lying all the time about everything, just to enact socialism is trustworthy.

but I don't know about any OTHER blacks. the individuals that I know personally don't bother me.

somehow I bet if you asked most liberals, pinkos or blacks how they felt about whites, you'd get about the same response.

this entire line of liberal vendetta is just so tedious and entirely against what Messiah promised.

Are you loons incapable of actually defending the socialist policies or advancing a prospect in a rational tone?

Or are racism and violence your only measure left?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

@Comrade,

Spoken like a true trader. Yes, the market does go off the rails and GS might be an example of that. If you buy on Monday, I wouldn't be surprised you'll see a little profit because I would expect Monday to be an "inside" day. Let us know, will you, if you pull the trigger on that trade.

On the other subject, I think you are wrong that posters here aren't horribly offended. Some are, I know, because they say so.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

New University of Washington poll exposes Tea Baggers as racists.
_______________________

By now, few, if any, mainstream journalists regard the tea baggers as anything more than pathetic racist, sociopathic thugs (see, e.g., columns by Fix ocworkers Colbert King and Eugene Robinson and NYT's Frank Rich) who spend a disproportionate amount of their time brandishing misspelled n-word signs and spitting on black congressmen.

But for those sympathizers who falsely insist the baggers are just "populists" opposing taxes and "big government" (the same government, BTW, that funds the generous benefits the baggers receive), this new University of Washington poll of the baggers provides conclusive, indisputable evidence of their bigotry and lunacy:

"This point is reinforced by a study released last week by the University of Washington, which discovered that people who think that “the U.S. government has done too much to support blacks” were 36 percent more likely to support the Tea Party than those who didn’t think so. Among whites who approve of the Tea Party, only 35 percent said they believe blacks are hard-working, only 45 percent believe blacks are intelligent, and just 41 percent believe that they’re trustworthy.""

http://www.salon.com/news/the_numerologist/2010/04/15/who_are_the_tea_partiers/

Case closed...forever. Next.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

How can you post an unbearable insult to anyone you don't know and who offers only partial information about themselves? If they give it up, they are seeking attention.

your momma wears combat boots?

More on the crowd psychology, since it's the weekend and the usual misfits are absent. I am killing time before a big charity event tonight.

I have been studying self forming networks this month, to gain a handle on certain aspects of network traffic and the psychology of crowd behavior. Inherent in this study is the notion of the domino effect, a succession of failure, brought on by links in the nodes. Once begun, it is impossible to stop. Examples include the dodt.com bubble, the housing bubble, the impending government bubble, and many more examples from biology and other aspects of science. there are stock market applications as well.

Once a lower limit is reached, several automatic sell orders at market condition go into effect, placed by the machine. Day traders, who don't know better, accelerate the process, leading to further degradation and expansion of the effect. It is not rational. Once the smoke clears, some realize that the price has gone too far. That is the buy opportunity.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"The only time dribbl offered to speak to someone, she was offered two lollipops and a stick of gum to leave immediately and not come back.

the view from the rubber room is not too perspicacious, is it loon?

Indeed if we rid ourselves (or somehow obtained an intelligent cooperation) from:

dribbl
Ped
DDAWD
Baghdad BJ
Loud and Dumb
37th"

12 Bar, you honestly think this is an individual capable of civility? Forget it.

"We could restore the integrity of this blog."

Integrity like this?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Meanwhile, rabbel rousing Ped had three Viet Cong soldiers on their feet cheering the hammer and sickle over the weekend.

Liberal moonbat dribbl successfully lifted ice cream money while her husband was snoozing:"

LOL

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

@shrink,

1. I agree that the overall trend of the market is intact. I don't think the GS "shock" will undermine that.

2. Interesting you say the timing of the SEC charge is fortunate for the battle on fin reg. I thought so too. Fortune favors... I've been reading the comments on articles about GS, and they are universally anti GS. Polls show Americans are sick and tired of Wall Street manipulating, playing both sides, and personally benefiting.

3. Deutsche Bank (NYSE:DB) declined 4.39 euros, or 7.3% in Frankfurt trading, while Switzerland’s UBS AG declined 2.8 percent and BNP Paribas SA of France retreated 3.8 percent. The 52-member Bloomberg Europe Banks and Financial Services Index fell 2.6 percent, the biggest drop in two months. All as a result of GS suit. This is QUITE a reaction for a single transaction being blamed on a single vice president. My belly button tells me it's more.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

GS was an overreaction by the mob psychology. I am going to buy more on Monday. the lawyers and traders and partners at GS are a world smarter and richer than the government and will defeat this attack. Same as MO, now PM, did.

I fear more for the other smaller finance stocks and will unload them next week.

At this point I am most concerned with the energy sector. In particular the price of boat gas. I pick up the new yacht next weekend.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

they also drag otherwise sensible posters down into the mud with them, myself included.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 2:02 PM
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Thank you for that. Sometimes this blog is a mud pit, posters baiting each other to get down into the mud, and gradually all posters agreeing.

Just an observation from someone who is pretty new here. There are some insults that are unbearable. Once made, they forever change the relationship between the posters. Unless we come here to deal fatal blows, we should think twice and thrice before really delivering the ultimate insult. I see a bunch of people here who, over time, have been damaged by these interactions, and now are hell bent on revenge. And each blames the other.

So, I say this sincerely, if I have dealt someone the unbearable insult, please know I didn't realize it. Well, I'll take that back about JakeD.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The plot thickens:

Someone please call Mark Foley to get his opinion - because the democrats really claimed that they were going to be much much different than they claimed the Republicans were with Foley.

But now it appears the democrats were WORSE with MASSA


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Former congressman Eric Massa said Saturday that someone forged a $40,000 salary increase for his chief of staff, who has accused the ex-lawmaker of sexual harassment.

...............................

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

12 Bar,

"The market is saying this is way bigger than one transaction."

No, it isn't. That dip was CYA on "bad news" and of course, way overdue profit taking pressure.

As I was saying earlier in the week the new bottom is 11,000. Yesterday the 11,000 floor held, as soon as it went below 11,000, it came back and stayed back.

So who were all those people buying at Friday's bottom, the same level which was supposed to be way too high just a few weeks ago? The same people who sold earlier in the day, of course.

Further, you heard it here first*, this was a political move by the Obama administration.

They waited until the Republicans declared all out war on Dodd's bill (which was of course, entirely predictable) and then they, Obama's presidency, severed its very cozy ties to Goldman Sachs.

This helps Obama with the left and those farther right than Republicans (TEA people, libertarians) because lots of people hated his cozy relationship with that bank, its alumni, etc. Well it is over now.

Meanwhile, as the sordid details of the fraud get played out, Republicans will oppose financial reform with the usual political double talk.

Only their stupidest followers won't understand their party was bought by the bonuses and the obscene, looted wealth of people like Paulsen and of course, Blankfein.

Back to the market. Calling looted wealth by name will not undermine the confidence of investors. We don't need Goldman Sachs, really, we don't.

Further, if the Obama administration wanted to, they could have gone the criminal route, instead they pulled their punch and sued. This was the signal to the heavy hitters. If you don't do what Goldman did, no one will back any farther than this case. Got it? No worries.


*Actually, someone somewhere must have written about this before me, it is just too obvious.



Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

drindl


those people were attacked because they were wearing Palin buttons.


Apparently the left - while claiming the right was about to become violent, incited people on the LEFT to become violent.

Give me a break - oh yea Bill Clinton tried the same thing - and it didn't work.

Everyone is fed up with the democrats - the economy needs attention and all the democrats want to do is IGNORE THE ECONOMY AND SEE IF THEY CAN SLIP IN A LEFT WING AGENDA WHEN NO ONE IS WATCHING.


THE COUNTRY IS WATCHING.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Liberal transparency ahead. What are they hiding? gross incompetence? Fecklessness? indecision? Rampant leftists ideaology? unloaded teleprompter?

this is the thanks they get for delivering him into office?

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs met with a delegation from the White House press corps for 75 minutes on Thursday in an effort to improve frayed relations between the two sides. Ed Chen, a White House correspondent for Bloomberg News who is president of the White House Correspondents’ Association, said he asked for the meeting “to clear the air because in my 10-plus years at the White House, rarely have I sensed such a level of anger, which is wide and deep, among members over White House practices and attitude toward the press.”

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

12bar.

It is only about 5 or so leftist miscreants that spoil this board for the most part, with a few from the right who are subject to peer pressure.

Indeed if we rid ourselves (or somehow obtained an intelligent cooperation) from:

dribbl
Ped
DDAWD
Baghdad BJ
Loud and Dumb
37th

We could restore the integrity of this blog.

I would likely never agree on politics with 12bar, Blade or shrink, but I do not include them in the stooge category above. they actually have some redeeming social characteristics.

I am against banning people. But it is this group that is destroying the ability to maintain intelligent traffic on this site. Just take a look at almost every single one of their posts on this thread alone.

I have also found that about 50% of the volume here is complaining by these fools about each other. that is tedious. they also drag otherwise sensible posters down into the mud with them, myself included.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Again, we have to repeat with you. When you and your little group dominates the discussion, everything is OK with you, right ?

Your complaint is based on content - not anything else.

That means your complaint is without merit, it is anti-American - and you are dismissed.

Case closed.

Meanwhile, everyone gives you the perfect opportunity to defend the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

Did Obama say during the 2008 campaign that he was going to pass MASSIVE UNFUNDED MANDATES ONTO THE STATES - which are now forced to raise taxes on people making way under $250K ???

Or you have to defend that apparently Obama does not "like it" that America is a dominate power.

You have ample opportunity to defend this guy.


Go ahead.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Comrade? Comrade? What say you?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The only time dribbl offered to speak to someone, she was offered two lollipops and a stick of gum to leave immediately and not come back.

the view from the rubber room is not too perspicacious, is it loon?

do you actually think speakers pay their own airfare, book their own hotels and carry their own water? What is on the wall in the cave you inhabit?

My guess is you simply have no exposure whatsoever to successful people. Maybe hubbie will spring for a movie about some later in the week. If he doesn't have to go with you, of course.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

@noa: This 37/zouk-dominated thread suggests the blog needs a "time out" while the Post decides whether this blog is a one employee's personal Facebook page providing a forum for free GOP political ads, shoutouts to cronies, cherrypicked biased polls (sometimes to the exclusion of the employer's polls), racist posts, smears of our President, and personal attacks, OR is a legitimate sounding board for legit political news and analysis.

The choice is the Post's. Oh well.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"The popular narrative of an assault against a GOP operative in New Orleans, which was quickly becoming a cause célèbre in the conservative blogosphere, sustained another blow today as the police released a report suggesting the incident was not politically motivated.

The police report on the April 9 incident in which Allee Bautsch, the chief campaign fundraiser for Gov. Bobby Jindal, was attacked by a small group of men says that the group hurled insults at Bautsch and her boyfriend, calling them "b*tch" and "f*ggot," but did not make political insults.

"It should be noted that other than making reference to the victims being nicely dressed, along with other observations about their physical appearance, Mr. Brown did not hear them make any other comments," the report says.

The initial claim -- since definitively shot down by Jindal's office -- was that Bautsch, whose leg was broken in the attack, and boyfriend Joe Brown were wearing Palin pins, thus becoming targets of the angry leftists.

Then, a conservative blogger's assertion that the police had described the assailants' insults as "of a political nature" -- a claim picked up by Fox and Yahoo News -- was flatly denied by a police spokesman."

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Yawn.

"Since then the story has been making the rounds of the right-wing interwebs. The claim was that the assailants were anti-Palin, anti-Jindal liberals attacking conservatives. A conservative blogger even published what purported to be a quote from the NOPD saying the attack appeared to be "of a political nature." And that quote was picked up by a few other news organizations.

Alas, then things started going down hill. The New Orleans police denied ever saying anything like that. And now the actual police report has come out which not only contains no evidence of any partisan political intent but actually says that the assailants yelled misogynistic and homophobic epithets at the victims while the attack was taking place. "

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

First-class commercial air travel for two or a private jet -- "must be a Lear 60 or larger" -- from Alaska to California and back. A deluxe hotel suite "registered under an alias." And two unopened bottles of still water with "bendable straws."

that's it? and under a negotiated contract.

Seems outright frugal compared to the forced benies we all get to pay for Her Royal Highness Pelosi and her extended family and friends. Only water. Pelosi spent over $200K on airplane booze on her outing to Denmark.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

To all who are interested,

It is true that Comrade_Zero (and all his aliases) have engaged in good, constructive, non-name calling, discussion with me, on more than one occasion. I have enjoyed our conversations and have learned from him. So it is possible for us to drop the star shields we use here, and treat each other with respect and trust. Comrade and I can talk about trading stocks and the market, and I doubt we would differ very much on our views. Could we have the same discussion about political ideology? I don't know, but the chances are higher now than they were before we talked about trading stocks.

What say you, Comrade?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

HARRISBURG, Pa.—The man considered one of the premier sculptors of Bill’s Clinton’s re-election in 1996 predicted Friday night that Republicans would take control of the Senate and the House in mid-term elections this fall. Noting that he keeps reading quotes from GOP leaders such as Republican National Chairman Michael Steele that they are “optimistic” about the elections this fall, Dick Morris told a packed dinner at the Pennsylvania Leadership Council: “I’ve got news—it’s not even going to be close, guys.”

hurry november.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Credible people continue to step forward to give voice to the charge that Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal's top campaign fundraising staffer and her boyfriend were brutally beaten for their political beliefs. This time it's the New Orleans Police Department Public Information Officer Bob Young who termed the beating as "of a political nature." (Snip) He confirmed that in those statements, the victims reported that their assailants had indeed hurled “insults” at them, and the “insults” were, and I quote, “of a political nature”.


how long until some liberal comes out to denounce this thuggery and violence on innocent people. As if NOLA didn't have enough problems, the moonbats incite violence and look the other way when the inevitable result occurs.

bill clinton was right, the racists and thugs in power who can't express their views in words or deeds are resolved to brutalize the rest of us into submission. first it was TARP. Next cap and tax. then death panels. then , when the citizens protested it was the race card. Now simply violence. Olbie must be proud.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The diva -- I love the 'bendable straws."

(CNN) -- First-class commercial air travel for two or a private jet -- "must be a Lear 60 or larger" -- from Alaska to California and back. A deluxe hotel suite "registered under an alias." And two unopened bottles of still water with "bendable straws."

That's what former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin wanted from a California state college foundation as part of her speaking agreement, according to a draft of a confidential contract.

That a publicly funded college would consider spending money in this fashion sparked controversy."

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Why are you answering posts to Brigade? Give it up. It was a great joke, we all enjoyed it, but we all know.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 1:06 PM


not this time. the joke is on you. sometimes the most simple explanation is correct.

12bar, I do you hope you do not fall below the event horizon and become one of the total loons that patrol this blog.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

@drindl,

I'm not defending GS in ANY way. I think they are scumbags and have been double dealing for years.

But, the SEC lawsuit is still over one transaction. The market drops 125 points, GS drops $12 billion in value (while they are reporting great earnings). The market is saying this is way bigger than one transaction.

Most money traded on Wall Street is from institutions, not retail investors like us. GS is owned mostly by institutions, so it was big investors (like Fidelity, Calpers, Bank of America) who were selling.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

And of course, the Confederate Party wants to make sure it all happens again.

"We are united in our opposition to the partisan legislation reported by the Senate Banking Committee," the letter reads. "As currently constructed, this bill establishes new and unlimited regulatory powers that will stifle small businesses and community banks."

Riiight.

These guys are so totally owned by Wall Street.

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Sixteen thousand women packed into Freedom Hall to hear from the former Vice-Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin. But this time she skipped the politics to talk about faith. Palin did not allow any media inside the event. Her fan base is growing these days as the unofficial leader of the Tea Party movement, author and television host.
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Meanwhile, rabbel rousing Ped had three Viet Cong soldiers on their feet cheering the hammer and sickle over the weekend.

Liberal moonbat dribbl successfully lifted ice cream money while her husband was snoozing.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, it wasn't only Sachs, so that could certainly be true. I'd think Magnetar would be on the list.

But maybe it was just panic. Guess we'll see.

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine, really. You got any theories?
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Just my take on Republican candidates--I would bet that Barbour and/or Gingrich have risen in the ranks of possibilities. The R's have a history of awarding the nomination on the senior guy, right? And the general election goes to the party who can get their base energized. The R base is mostly white southern Protestant male. Who appeals most there? White southern Protestant males, like Barbour.

37th thinks its Perry. He also fits that mold.

Who doesn't fit that mold? Romney.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Fox News’ Megyn Kelly has finally broken the wall of silence on major news coverage of the brutal beating of Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal’s top fundraising staffer. (Snip) Della Burning, mother of Jindal staffer Allee Bautsch, confirmed that her daughter had been savagely beaten. She refused to discuss whether or not politics were involved (although at one point in the interview she did say the report was “accurate” when New Orleans Police Information Officer said slurs hurled at her daughter during the attack were “political in nature”). Burning confirmed her daughter's leg is broken in four places..


this must be the violence that dribbl warned us about.

Ooops. It was lib thugs beating up a little girl with a Palin button. didn't make the news on MSDNC. Neither did this:


Voters Currently Divided On Second Term
"46% say he deserves re-election and 50% say he does not." That's a divide?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is the democrats and the pollsters have it a bit wrong - November is going to be much, much worse for the democrats.


I sense that the democrats were looking at just the potential losses in Congress in their calculations - and they did not give much thought to the potential losses at the state and local levels.

There is a TRUST factor. Because Obama was relatively new to the national scene, the country gave him a level of TRUST when they elected him. Obama has now betrayed that trust - and one really has to ask how does he expect to get that back ???

If the democrats think they are going to come up with some issues that they can ride in November, it isn't going to work.

The democrats don't have a plan - you can see the ANGER on Obama's face. All Obama has left is sarcasm and false charges of racism.


Anyway, the real fight might be next year over the budget.

DOES ANYONE REALIZE THAT OBAMA'S BUDGET DEFICIT IS OVER ONE TRILLION DOLLARS ???

That has yet to sink in - the country was focused on the health care issues - but the democrats have backed themselves into a serious corner on the FISCAL ISSUES.

Obama has a long way to go before anyone trusts him again - and it is not going to happen.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I have come to the conclusion that this is the opposite blog. anything a liberal loon posts is the exact opposite of the ground truth.

for example, dribbl faults everyone for posting here all day and not having a job. See. Opposite blog.

DDAWD tries to impress with his "smarts". Opposite blog.

Ped declares education and success are necessary for respect. Opposite blog.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

And these guys knew EXACTLY what they were doing."

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:04 PM
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Getting back to real business--

I'm curious what everyone thinks about this. GS is really being sued over misrepresentation of facts on a single transaction. And yet, the market reacts by dropping $12 BILLION dollars of value from GS and more billions from similar Wall Street firms. I make it a point to listen to the market, because there are thousands of very connected & informed big time investors who make their opinions heard in the market action.

One could say the market is telling us that they know that this SEC lawsuit is just the beginning. Otherwise, the market action is a gross overreaction and will be corrected Monday.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

12Bar, it's an interesting question. Who else do they really have. Huckabee has too many skeletons and hegatives and besides Grover Norquist hates him --and he is more in control of the Confederate Party than ever. Barbour, no he doesn't want him either. Palin -- laughable. Thune -- who? TPaw -- the usher.

I can't imagine, really. You got any theories?

We all can immediately spot Mr. 3 Faces of Eve, it's so funny he doesn't realize how obvious he is... infantile.

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

@Comrade,

Why are you answering posts to Brigade? Give it up. It was a great joke, we all enjoyed it, but we all know.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

" Fabrice Tourre, the Goldman executive who helped set up Abacus, emailed a friend in January 2007:

“More and more leverage in the system, The whole building is about to collapse anytime now…Only potential survivor, the fabulous Fab…standing in the middle of all these complex, highly leveraged, exotic trades he created without necessarily understanding all of the implications of those monstruosities”

Seriously- who calls himself the “Fabulous Fab?” And these guys knew EXACTLY what they were doing."

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

et tu 12bar - gone over the edge?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

truly pathetic.


"dribbl displayed her very tenuous grasp of reality on friday night, late into the evening. and why not, it's not like she has anything pressing to engage her.

first thing the next day, she finds fault with others for posting, you guessed it, friday night.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
'And Drindl, your alter-ego obsession is causing me to wonder if you might be a bonafide low-brainer.'

next stop, the funny farm

Posted by: Comrade_Zero "

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

succesful businessmen don't ride the bus. they don't brag about spending only five bucks for lunch. they don;t rpoclaim their mating habits, in every sordid detail on anonymous blogs. this is an impotent loser, desperate for any attention, even if negative. this is the mark of a failure in the capitalist system who is desperately trying to find a way out of the mindless job that pins her down and prevents her from sharing her "wisdom" all day every day, instead of limited to work hours only.

she sincerely beleives she is better then what life has given her.smarter than the boss. a better writer than the host. a clever politician who could wage a winning cmapaign.

all evidence points to the fact that Sarah Palin, a governor, a best selling author, the leader of a national movement, a mover of policy, a VP candidate, is so far superior to our little eunich Ped, that poor little chrissy is simply fitful over the unfairness of it all.

Liberals are always neck deep in envy for the successful. Yet they do not apply themselves to attain it, they look for handouts instead.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

@drindl and everyone else,

Seriously: if the conservative king makers like American Spectator, CATO, Club for Growth are throwing Romney under the bus, that must mean they have ANOTHER candidate in mind. Someone else who they think will have a better chance in the general election.

I would expect the institutions mentioned above to be strategic thinkers, not shoot from the lip types. Agree or not?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

You claim to be new to the blog, and yet you vehemently defend posters you don't know and haven't read much from. You attack posters you don't know and haven't read much from. Leads one to believe you are NOT new to the blog.

Conversely and perversely, you claim that no one believes Noacoler is traveling in Viet Nam. Wrong! We do know and that IS where he is. That's why he posts in the middle of the night here and day there. He'll be back soon, and you will see his posting times flip.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 17, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"In recent weeks, Republicans have escalated their rhetoric on repealing legislative items passed by President Obama. Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) have called for not only repealing health reform, but repealing nearly everything passed in the last year. Newt Gingrich has suggested that Republicans, after taking back Congress, should engage in a budget standoff with Democrats that could result in a shutdown of the federal government."

Because that worked so well for Newtie last time he did it.

"At the Tax Day Tea Party at Freedom Plaza today, ThinkProgress asked Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) if he supported his colleagues’ stimulus repeal campaign. Kingston said that he did, and confirmed to us that he would repeal the stimulus by forcing businesses and state governments to give back the stimulus money. President Obama’s stimulus consisted of one-third tax cuts to 95% of Americans, one-third support to state governments, and one-third direct investments to businesses for infrastructure and job programs. Kingston, however, said he would “gladly run on” repealing the bill and forcing stimulus recipients to pay back the funds."

Go for it -- sounds like a winner. Tell the TPers they have to give back their tax cuts.
Is this really the best they can do?

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama went to NASA to talk about the space program.

Obama says he wants to go to Mars.


Fine with me.


Half the country would like him to LEAVE TOMORROW.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

dribbl displayed her very tenuous grasp of reality on friday night, late into the evening. and why not, it's not like she has anything pressing to engage her.

first thing the next day, she finds fault with others for posting, you guessed it, friday night.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
'And Drindl, your alter-ego obsession is causing me to wonder if you might be a bonafide low-brainer.'

same guy, with his weird and psychotic obsession with me -- he just can't stop himself.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:48 PM

ANd

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:43 PM
Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:37 PM
Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:33 PM
Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:27 PM
Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:13 PM


etc.

next stop, the funny farm

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse


"Whether we like it or not, American remains a dominant military power."


OH MAN.


I am OFFENDED by this comment. Any person who expresses this kind of sentiment has no business being Commander-in-Chief. It is that simple.


All this crap about Obama being "transformational" -


It is just that - a pile of crap - the American people decide which direction this country should go in - not some CABAL which goes around the country for two years LYING to the country about how bipartisan they will be - seeking CENTRIST policies - and then they get in office and look for ANY excuse to start moving in a far-left agenda.


There is NO DOUBT that the country had NO IDEA how far-left Obama intended to be.


The country was UNDER THE CLEAR IMPRESSION THAT OBAMA WOULD BE BIPARTISAN - MEANING OBAMA WOULD WORK FOR COMPROMISE AND CENTRIST POLICIES.


Obama was elected for four years - he committed himself to attempting to build those BIPARTISAN AGREEMENTS FOR FOUR YEARS.


Not to say, one day Obama tried to be bipartisan, now Obama is free to be far-left.

I FIND THIS OFFENSIVE.

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None of the liberals on this blog want to defend Obama on the DECEPTION AND FRAUD in his bipartisan commitments.

Instead, they all want to change the subject to racism.

Obama just passed the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.


Again, if Obama had told the country about that during the campaign there would have been a different story in the election.

THIS IS FRAUD AND DECEPTION - IN ANY OTHER BUSINESS, IF YOU HIRE SOMEONE WHO SAYS ONE SET OF THINGS, AND DELIVERS SOMETHING FAR DIFFERENT, THEY GET FIRED.


FIRED RIGHT AWAY.

Obama is a NATIONAL DISGRACE.


These are the issues - the taxes and the deception -

If Obama's only response is to allow his people - without Obama saying anything to the contrary - to allow his people to call half the country RACIST, then people will even be more angry.

At this point, it is true the DEMOCRATS ARE RUNNING THE COUNTRY AGAINST THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE - IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE LIKE THIS IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

AP - The U.S. is destined to endure a new economic crisis that sticks taxpayers with the bill unless Congress tightens oversight of the financial industry, President Barack Obama said Saturday.

Let me guess. Unless we pass some leftist idiocy, right now, without ever reading it, with no debate, the world will end.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 17, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

This is funny too...

"Politico reported today that Gov. Haley Barbour (R-MS) “is weighing the prospect of a 2012 White House bid” and recently discussed the possibility with his closest advisers. When asked about the discussions, Barbour himself didn’t downplay the possibility of running for president. “After the November election, we’ll sit down and see if there is anything to consider,” he said. Today on ABC’s Top Line, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist may have put a small blemish on Barbour’s prospects for consideration. Norquist ridiculed RNC chair Michael Steele because of his gaffe-prone TV appearances. “Sometimes it hurts,” he said, adding that Steele should take example from former RNC chair Barbour:

NORQUIST: Haley Barbour — because he’s not completely fluent in English — was not quite the spokesman that you might have thought, although he’s a brilliant guy, wonderful strategist. I don’t think you saw him going into ‘94 as the spokesman so much as an organizer and a fund-raiser

the ole bulldog can't speak english -- norquist says it out loud.

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I see Noacoler returned after I went to bed. Just as I said in my first post: no comment on anything relevant to the thread, just more fussing about not being able to get conservatives banned from the board and now threats to file suit against those who offend his delicate sensibilities. And---you could have won a bet on this---he is naturally another one who thinks I am really Comrade_Zero. I guess I've spent a fortune in time, money, and ingenuity just to mislead a poor sap like him.

By contrast, Noacoler, you seem to be two different people using the same moniker. Sometimes you seem almost lucid; at other times you post comments that could only have come from a drooling subhuman. But almost never on subject.

Somebody here help me out. I know that even you soulmates do not believe this guy's incessant ramblings about being a successful, globe-trotting businessman. Now let's level with each other: when did he get out of the joint and does his parole officer know that he seems to be cum drunk most of the time? Not making an accusation; just asking.

Oh, and by the way Noacoler, if you ever have anything halfway intelligent to say about the actual topics of these threads, I'll be happy to engage with you. Or we can just go right on insulting each other and name-calling. Your call.

I have a life to return to momentarily now, so back at you later.

Posted by: Brigade | April 17, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

37 and the 500 faces of zouk on here all Friday night... sad.

Quite the conundrum for Romney.. he's toast.

"Former Gov. George Pataki (R-NY), who is heading up an effort to petition the government to “repeal and replace” the new health care law, took a shot at Mitt Romney today, telling a Connecticut newspaper that Massachusetts’ health care reform law contained an “unconstitutional” individual mandate:

Former New York Gov. George Pataki blasted the Bay State’s health care reform created under former Gov. Mitt Romney today, telling the Herald it’s “unconstitutional.” He also conceded that Romney is “probably the (Republican) front runner” in the 2012 presidential election.

Pataki’s comments come as a growing number of conservatives are beginning to question Romney’s ability to successfully distance himself from national health care reform, given its similarities to the Massachusetts plan he signed into law. Since President Obama signed the reform bill, Romney moved quickly to condemn the new law as an abuse of federal power, arguing that health care reform is a right reserved for the states. He has also defended the success of his own, very similar, proposal. Many conservatives, however, don’t believe that voters will make the distinction.

Early last month, the Club for Growth mocked Romney for calling his plan “the ultimate conservative plan,” and the CATO Institute has now put together a video explaining the fundamental similarities between RomneyCare and ObamaCare.

The conservative American Spectator is also warning Republicans that a Romney presidential bid could undermine any effort to repeal the national law. “Romney would not be able to credibly campaign against the national health care law,” Phillip Klein wrote today on the AmSpecBlog. “And as a result, were he the Republican nominee, it would kill the movement to repeal ObamaCare.”

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Finance whiz.

The ground had shifted substantially in the fundraising business. To quote a single revenue stream, the national org, is misleading. Record individual donations have been flowing in from home districts. The change in McCain feingold sham will permit money to flow that has not ever been counted. The national orgs have very little power anymore.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 17, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

So what are you planning to do with all those comments, years of profanity, personal attacks, not to mention inappropriate comments, entries that are unsigned, whatever that means, or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author?


Old timers may remember a day when you would sign each post with your name as you typed. Of course there were silly names and the usual idiots posting using a nemesis name with wacky prose to discredit them.

We had a pest back then we called the anonymous coward who was very likely the Ped. The sign in was meant to correct this.

I suppose this is a phenom related to this medium. A truant who was never fully appreciated for his "gifts" that sees himself as an undiscovered Thomas Paine.

Not.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

far left circle??
Presumably anyone that doesn't worship at the Palin/Bachman $12 million trough is far left. I guess that is why us so called far leftist were concerned yesterday about possible SEC overreach against GS. You know all us socialists are worried about the economy and stock market we learned about investing at the Politbureau.

In reality the $282 billion 2009 tax cut for 95% of Americans, is the largest "yearly" tax cut in history. As for our supposed high taxes I preume that you are aware that a family of 4 earning less than $52,000 pay ZERO TAXES. That's right,47% of Americans pay ZERO in federal income taxes, perhaps that is too much for the radical right. Can we try and talk them down from zero perhaps?

yea I talked with my investment club, more obvious socialist, who do not feel Ds are demoralized and are shocked to hear they are out fund raising Rs.

Let's see Ds outraise R party by $1.6 million and you read that as a sign of being demoralized. Well this is hoping DNC have more such months of being demoralized 37th.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 17, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse


I will tell you what else is OFFENSIVE.


For weeks we have been hearing that once health care was passed we were going to hear this great defense of the health care bill, and Obama was going to tell us about all these immediate benefits.

Turns out, the democrats had 5 different versions of "immediate benefits" - and few were really "immediate."

Obama kept saying he was going to defend the health care bill.

Obama said he was going to defend the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY -


and that is what it is THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

Instead of talking about what supposedly is his great accomplishment - OBAMA AND HIS PEOPLE COME OUT AND SAY "YOU ALL ARE A BUNCH OF RACISTS."

THIS IS OFFENSIVE.


And your pal Obama if he had any personal honor would have IMMEDIATELY MADE STATEMENTS AGAINST THE FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.

By not coming out AGAINST THE FALSE CHARGES, OBAMA HAS INDICATED HIS SUPPORT FOR THIS KIND OF VILE POLITICS.

THIS IS YOUR OBAMA - A PERSON WHO PLAYS THE RACE CARD.

THAT IS OFFENSIVE.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The democratic party is demoralized because of Obama - ask around outside your circle of far-leftists.


The democrats are demoralized.

For exactly the reason I just said - Obama in his campaign COMMITTED TO A FAR DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION THAN THE ONE WE HAVE NOW.

The American People have been DEFRAUDED.

NOT to mention the FACT that the country is in a recession and OBAMA IS SO OBSESSED WITH HIS EGO AND BEING 'TRANSFORMATIONAL' that Obama is putting in THE WRONG ECONOMIC POLICIES FOR A RECESSION.

The American People are upset that Obama in NOT concerned with the ECONOMY AND JOBS - and he sure seems a whole lot more concerned with other things.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Whether we like it or not, American remains a dominant military power."


OH MAN.

I am OFFENDED by this comment. Any person who expresses this kind of sentiment has no business being Commander-in-Chief. It is that simple.

All this crap about Obama being "transformational" -


It is just that - a pile of crap - the American people decide which direction this country should go in - not some CABAL which goes around the country for two years LYING to the country about how bipartisan they will be - seeking CENTRIST policies - and then they get in office and look for ANY excuse to start moving in a far-left agenda.

There is NO DOUBT that the country had NO IDEA how far-left Obama intended to be.

The country was UNDER THE CLEAR IMPRESSION THAT OBAMA WOULD BE BIPARTISAN - MEANING OBAMA WOULD WORK FOR COMPROMISE AND CENTRIST POLICIES.

Obama was elected for four years - he committed himself to attempting to build those BIPARTISAN AGREEMENTS FOR FOUR YEARS.

Not to say, one day Obama tried to be bipartisan, now Obama is free to be far-left.


I FIND THIS OFFENSIVE.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

can't quite understand why we keep hearng about the so called demoralized D Party when I read:
"The fundraising totals from March show that the DNC out-raised its Republican counterpart by about $1.6 million. Given that healthcare passed with 10 days left in the month, Democrats see this as a hopeful sign"

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 17, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: On the bus to Saigon today they were playing one of those hideous variety shows, Paris By Night. Familiar as can be in the VNese community.

Then a face I'd seen before .. hmmm, is that one of the singers? No .. wait .. it was Congressman Cao. Didn't hear what he was saying, but he seemed pretty well received. I think they're proud of having a Vietnamese in the House.

He looked older than I've seen in some pictures. Thanks for giving him some context in here.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse


I would like to call out those who have called the Tea Party for "lack of diversity" - and for attempting to smear the Tea Party as racist.


There was an NBC reporter who did find a black man at the Tea Party rally - and asked him if he was uncomfortable - and he said "No, these are my people."


The guy was happy to be there.


I just want to point out that an overwhelming number of people in the black community support Obama - and I don't believe many would argue that some of this has to do with ethnic pride - and the color of Obama's skin.

That is OK - up to a point. I believe that issues should be more important than one's skin color - however everyone seems to believe that Obama should be in this position.


So the black overwhelmingly support Obama - it is agreed.

So LOGICALLY IT MUST FOLLOW that the opposition to Obama's policies would draw from a pool of people which contained significantly less blacks.


The blacks already committed to Obama - before consideration of the fiscal and other issues.

So OF COURSE THE OPPOSITION WILL BE "LESS DIVERSE." - But ONLY BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.


The more one thinks about it - the more one has to believe this is true.

Even if a black person did not support Obama policies, that person may be reluctant to go out and publicly voice that opposition.


OR which is probably much more the case - there are blacks who do NOT agree with Obama's policies, but feel an obligation to support him based on the color of his skin.


I believe that is the case.


The REAL RACISM here is when the democrats assume what the political opinions of a black person is - based on the color of that person's skin.

There should be more diversity of opinion in the black community - I'm not going to say SHOULD -


I'm going to say THERE IS MORE DIVERSITY OF OPINION WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.


But the democrats do not want to believe it - and many black feel more obligation to support Obama even though they do not agree with Obama's policies.

Think about it.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Frank Kratovil is a human tragedy. He was hung in effigy by the tea-baggers and it seemed to shake him so badly that he backed the tea baggers against those who put him in office. And he did it in a disingenuous way, coming up with excuse after excuse to vote against health care, most of which were patently self-contradictory. As a disgusted supporter, I will vote for Harris, whom I despise, because I would rather vote for a wrtech than for a phony.

Posted by: richardshaker | April 17, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm too busy...so send me any offending comments

Posted by: Chris Cillizza

No doubt busy buying even more bandwidth and storage. That must be quite an archive you have there Chris. Some of these people really seem to hate each other.

So what are you planning to do with all those comments, years of profanity, personal attacks, not to mention inappropriate comments, entries that are unsigned, whatever that means, or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Any criticism about the Tea Party movement from the left - that has to be compared to what went on with the anti-war protests and what those protests said about Bush.


Sorry but the criticism holds no weight.

The left's signs about Bush were far harsher than the ones today about Obama - and the angry was much worse.

It is almost as if the left is upset that there is ANY protest - that somehow the left has a monopoly on freedom of speech.

One would have to go back over the past 7 years or so - view the news articles - there were several problems with violence with the anti-war movement - and several times the police had to come in and do crowd control - NOTHING like that has even come clost to happening with the Tea Party.

Then there was Seattle - that was violence.

The Tea Party, is more like - bring a lawn chair and listen to the music kinda crowd - they aren't a march - and let's march in the wrong direction so the cops on horses go nuts kinda crowd.

The criticism of the Tea Party is just wrong - any idea that they have been out of bounds is simply UNJUSTIFIED - and it borders on expressions to violate CIVIL RIGHTS.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 17, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Shrink.

Considering that some 90 percent of journos are libs, probably higher at the WaPo, the baseline for your claim about cilizza is suspect.

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Reporters are about 60% liberal, not 90%.

Their publishers on the other hand are overwhelmingly conservative. This is common knowledge. Don't you know anything?

The point is that Cillizza deliberately does a glaringly unbalanced job. How many Democaric congressional retirements did we hear about in breathless excitement before even a mention of the more numerous Republican retirements? Why do we get puff pieces for has-beens and nobodies presented as serious contenders?

And oh, HCR is a serious triumph. Learn to deal with it.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

If they unite behind a candidate this time (Conservative Doug Hoffman is seeking the Republican nomination this time), Owens' tenure in congress could be brief.

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It won't be Doug GreenTeeth who unseats him. That guy is a kook.

Really, be serious. The voters already rejected that nut job once.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Left out of the top contests were two others in NY. Bill Owens won a long time Republican seat because the Republicans were divided. If they unite behind a candidate this time (Conservative Doug Hoffman is seeking the Republican nomination this time), Owens' tenure in congress could be brief. Also, Michael Arcuri's switch on health care, which cost him support from labor unions and the Working Families party, from yes to no has imperiled a seat he barely won last time.

Posted by: polprof | April 17, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't me got fired zouk, in fact I've never been fired from a job. But I've managed to get two conservatrolls canned, one for harassing me with emails after I explicitly told him to quit; he was like you, bent with it, and did me the courtesy of replying to my courteous request to cut it out and leaving my original in the reply. Years later we haff lunch and he apologized for being such a dick

The other was an RKBA goofball who was pasting pictures of handguns all over the place. I confess I was manipulative, having learned that sort of passive aggression from the best. "Hostile workplace" this and "I feel" that. Heh heh heh. Bye, chump. Guess where you can stick that handgun.

As for conflicts and all that, if there is one thing I've learned well it's "never give a a*shole a legitimate grievance," and I never do. I get implored to stay while others are being laid off. My current gig is at a comoany you've heard of falling slowly on hard times, and they are bluing me despite three layoffs in a year.

And unlike you, my career and achievements are real. Yours are la-la, like your yacht and family.

Go snapshot some little boys, why don't you.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm calling my lawyer. I have him on speed dial.

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Restraining orders from stalked women, probably

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

With certain cretins absent, this blog can be quite enjoyable. It used to be like this before the current crowd of undesirables came along.

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Since you said that the quality of the blog was "soaring" one day when it was all JakeD and 37th, your opinion on such matters is of no value.

Would like to think that JakeD's continuing absence reflects medical calamity, given how much of same he's wished on others.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I think it must be perfectly clear at this point what the ultimate source of all the turmoil is.

I am not in favor of banning but this misanthrope promised to leave this year anyway.

Cilizza. Help her out the door. Again.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 17, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

So pretty much everywhere ped goes he annoys people and insults them. Work. Vacation. Blogs.

No wonder he's been in over ten jobs in fewer years. Personality conflict. I'm sorry mr foxxy, were letting you go.

I'm calling my lawyer. I have him on speed dial.

No wonder no one will hang around. It is clearly psychopathic. He can't help himself.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 17, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

The honeymoon is over. The nasties are back.

A mollusk challenges soneones intellect.

And Ped( short for pedantic) spews the usual troll nonsense.

Feel better loser. We are all here just so you can vent your spleen about all the injustice you've suffered in life.

No doubt brought on by your ugly outlook on life and your tortured soul.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 17, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

If you think I'm kidding, Cillizza, call down to Legal and check for yourself. There has to be at least one lawyer left down there. He'll confirm what I've said.

Been around this loop on many forums because conservative trolls always step over the line, just like their party. The fact that there has been moderation means that the Post has explicitly accepted responsibility for what remains. And what remains is unimpeachably libelous, and has potential to cost the paper millions, to say nothing of you your job, a nice feather for one's cap and not my first, having had the same taunting treatment from conservative mental cases in the workplace.

And if you don't recognize that 37th is intentionally disruptive and that his posts have nothing to d with political views, you're an idiot. Redundant given your allegiances.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

My oldest friend's Dad called Barak Obama "that fukin' n!gger" at a family dinner two years ago.

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If you didn't get up and leave the table I'm disappointed in you.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

drindl is not the only one who thinks Brigade is the new Comrade/moonbat/doof/drivl/Zouk.

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It's him again. He makes a new moniker every few days. They probably all haventhe same public library proxy server IP address.

Cillizza bats his eyes and says "forward me the offending posts.". Yeah, big mystery there.

Takeaway: most conservative posters here, and all prominent ones, are unemployed mental cases. This is not a skewed sample of what we now call the "conservative movement."

If there had never been any moderation it'd be one thing. Something like a dumpster whose content is entirely uncontrolled and for which the Post and the blogger bear no responsibility.

But since there has been moderation, and since behavior that would be shut down without a moment of reflection anywhere else, that behavior has the approval of the Post and the blogger. That's not an opinion, that's a legal fact. Based on this, were I a litigious lilly-livered sort, I could sue and I would win. So could dirndl, but for less.

Make me rich, Cillizza, let the "Ped" stuff go on. I have a lawyer on retainer anyway,

Posted by: Noacoler | April 17, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

in all those districts, how many voters has obama and the dems upset...
it will be easy enough to unseat the current dem to send a message to obama and the rest of the dems...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 17, 2010 5:23 AM | Report abuse

Brigade, RE: Eye twinkle, I thought the same thing at first

But the guy gets really defensive when you start questioning his intelligence or the intelligence of his heroes like Bush or VDH. Perhaps that's all part of the act, but Occam's Razor says no.

If you want an eye that can twinkle from time to time, look to 37th. I'd love to have him around if he didn't flood the place.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 17, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

This place used to be enjoyable and still can be when certain cretins are absent. It was like this a year or two back before the pack of howler monkeys arrived. Oh well.

A brief sojourn.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 17, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

With certain cretins absent, this blog can be quite enjoyable. It used to be like this before the current crowd of undesirables came along.

A brief sojourn.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 17, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Well thank you,
yeah, some of the people I grew up around were awful. I could tell you stories, but I'd have to gloss some parts, just to make them believable.

And it is true, you grow up around stuff like that, you get pretty militant about it, one way or the other. You get forced to make a polar choice.

So I am glad to hear about your home.
Really.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 17, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Shrink.

Considering that some 90 percent of journos are libs, probably higher at the WaPo, the baseline for your claim about cilizza is suspect.

What is he supposed to write? " health care bill a stunning popular success". Obama soars in the polls? I find him admirably even handed for the most part

Sounds like you have issues in the circles you run. I know a few race interested people from NJ and Baltimore but they are not nasty about it. More matter if fact, this Italian, that Jew, some polack. Not in a negative, just as easy as saying the guy in the green shirt. A different upbringing than me but I find it interesting and amusing but try to keep my kids away from it anyway. Not sure my kids know anything about skin color. It has never really come up. Kind of like hair color.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Margaret,
Thank you at least for engaging on substance. This has been surreal. While I have read some of the posts on this forum, I have never posted here before. Yet at least two of this evening's participants are convinced that I am an alter ego of one (or more) of the other participants and exhibit an unwholesome obsession with them. Some others seem not sure. Is this what political discourse does to the human mind?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Zouk,

I feel like I know Chris Cillizza
and he voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

My oldest friend's Dad called Barak Obama "that fukin' n!gger" at a family dinner two years ago.

So sure, I am not a liberal,
but I know two people, oh forget it,
that doesn't work.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

and small government is not what the people want

have you not heard of the tea parties. No you wouldn't have watching msdnc.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Also, 37th, my understanding is that I can, actually, keep my daughter on my government FEHB after the age of 25 because of her disability. That is only available to me because of the federal government chosing to make that available to their employees. Quite the contrary to death panels, I see humanity in the government program.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

37th, I think that massive government initiative towards health care reform is good and I hope it will work. As a person who already enjoys the benefits of government supervised health care I can tell you that it works better and costs less than any of my neighbors get. I wish the bill had offered FEHB to everyone. It's already managed all around the country and works well. The gov't has great presence when negotiating with the Insurance companies. In the end, the bill is what the bill is.

Brigade, I don't think any member of the GOP involved themselves with that bill in an honest way. There was always going to be areason that each of them would not support the bill. It would just stay in turn-around for ever.

But this is past. The GOP thinks it is a death knell for the Democratic majority. I don't think so. People vote for their future and the GOP is offering them nothing. Hatriotism and small government is not what the people want. The Florida special election? The GOP candidate was toast. The Pennsylvania special election? Didn't even make Cillizza's list. Hawaii? Ya'll may win that one unless one of the Democrat's running falls on their sword, but the GOP victory would have nothing to do with the GOP.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Most liberals don't know anyone who didn't vote for Messiah.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Childs play actually.

Consider what liberals have to work with.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues,
Thinks? Did you say thinks? I have two PCs and two I.P. addresses going at the same time? Or maybe I'm running from one library to the other and making posts one minute apart. Or maybe you should try really using your brain to think instead of taking it out and playing with it.

I'm sure the moderator can tell you if one person is posting as two or three people at the same time. But then when you learn the truth, you'll have to admit that your a bit on the delusional side. Is your wild theory based on the supposition that there are only two people in the world who don't share your political views. Or are you hearing the little voices again?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I've been

[blah blah blah]

Thanks,
Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza"

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

What we have hear are two conservative posters.

The first is 37th. Some think his moniker is actually shared by multiple people (I don't).

The second is Zouk who is one person with multiple monikers.

We used to have Jaked/d2/d3 but he seems to have gone on to greener pastures.

These two have valiantly tried to defend against the far more numerous liberal posters. It must be exhausting.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 16, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Brigade is clearly much more reasoned and witty than I.

You loons tie yourselves in knots over the strangest things.

Now quick. I have to sign out and sign back in. Just to mess with ya.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

drindl is not the only one who thinks Brigade is the new Comrade/moonbat/doof/drivl/Zouk.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 16, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Try going three years with no work, mooching off others for everything, reading Kos and Huff and liberal hate sites all day every day. No hobbies. No friends. No human interaction. Watching olbie and madcow every night.

I present drivl. I am surprised she made it this far. But her abherrent behavior always emerges in high detail when her minions flee and facts emerge.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Not spamming. Don't know what's up with the multiple posts.

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Moonbat


Of all the people here, I am convinced drinl is the one locked in a padded room - with a wireless mouse and somehow the computer is nailed down so she can not hurt herself.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Weird and psychotic obsession with you? The wheels have come off. I am responding to your posts which reference my posts. Is that what you call obsession?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Weird and psychotic obsession with you? The wheels have come off. I am responding to your posts which reference my posts. Is that what you call obsession?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Weird and psychotic obsession with you? The wheels have come off. I am responding to your posts which reference my posts. Is that what you call obsession?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Weird and psychotic obsession with you? The wheels have come off. I am responding to your posts which reference my posts. Is that what you call obsession?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Part of being coocoo is being sure it is everyone else.

Dribbl actually thinks we are All one person with the sole purpose to get her.

She has been spiraling ever further into madness lately.

But it is now clear who is ruining the blog, isn't it?

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CANCELS 2010 ELECTIONS


Washington DC (April 16, 2010) - Obama today cancelled the 2010 Congressional Elections, stating that there was too much racism in the electorate.


"We have to find a way to get rid of all these racists," Obama stated.


"In order to vote, all voters are going to have prove that they are not racist - and we are going to have to come up with some tests so that people can prove they are not racist."


"Did you hear what they were saying in Washington DC yesterday - carrying signs and all ? We know that when they talk about the trillion dollar deficit and high taxes, they really mean they are racist."


Obviously, African-Americans will not have to take the tests in order to vote - so "Maybe we will have a few elections with only blacks voting - just until we devise the tests for racism," Obama stated.


Obama has asked all the present Congress to stay on until he can figure out a way to get rid of all the racists so they won't vote. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid said that although it might be a hardship, they would be willing to stay in office past the expiration of their current terms.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm really missing your point, Drindl. I thought you said Moonbat and Comrade_Zero were the same person. So what was your last post meant to say?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

'And Drindl, your alter-ego obsession is causing me to wonder if you might be a bonafide low-brainer.'

same guy, with his weird and psychotic obsession with me -- he just can't stop himself.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"Dribbl is becoming unhinged. I mean more than usual. She hates it when the liberal mutual admiration society breaks down.

Now you know why I call them the three stooges.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 9:01 PM
'
Interesting situation. I could perform all manner of mischief here and Comrade_Zero would be blamed. "

copy?

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

drindl

That posting was satire - and it is intended to prove a point - read it again.


What is wrong with you?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

And Drindl, your alter-ego obsession is causing me to wonder if you might be a bonafide low-brainer. I post under only one name. I've explained that. Yet you go on and on and ...

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

'but he was cowed by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Posted by: Brigade '

let me guess who. same demons.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Margaret


I feel for you - however my position is still that health insurance can be regulated without massive taxes and a massive government program. The worst abuses of the health insurance companies can be dealt with through regulation.

I think that the things the democrats used to sell the health care bill could have been accomplished with a vastly smaller bill.


Instead, the democrats used the abuses of health insurance companies to justify taxes and a massive new government program.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

'Obviously, African-Americans will not have to take the tests in order to vote - so "Maybe we will have a few elections with only blacks voting - just until we devise the tests for racism," Obama stated.'


From 37 -- HELLO CHRIS-- HOW OFFENSIVE DOES IT HAVE TO BE BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING? FOR CHRISSAKES...

no other reputable newpaper blog would allow this kind of racist filth.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Drindl, if you don't think it would be unfortunate, try it and see what happens.

Margaret, your analysis of the healthcare battle is a bit wrongheaded. Think what you will of Obama, but if you are rational, you will admit that his lack of executive experience has proven a terrible hindrance to him. If I were a liberal I would say he has followed when he should have led. He could have had a bipartisan healthcare bill, but he was cowed by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

He wouldn't have gotten many Republicans, but it wouldn't have taken many to give him the cover of bipartisanship. Olympia Snowe was willing to go for a bill with a trigger for a public option. Obama was all for it. Harry said "No, Mr. President, I've got the votes for the public option," so they dumped Olympia Snowe. Guess who wrecked their world? Can you say Joe Lieberman? Now they have no public option whatsoever, and they own the whole thing lock, stock, and barrel, which, right now, is not a good place to be.

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

'Actually, I don't mind getting hit with a few zingers from time to time, as long as I am allowed to respond. I enjoy reading some of your exchanges. A few of the posters here really do seem angry from time to time, but I always sense a twinkle in Moonbat's proverbial eye. No?

Posted by: Brigade '

more defense of alter egos.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

12BB, Republicans won't be able to filibuster this bill. Dems are going to be able to peel at least one vote.

This is done. It's politically viable to oppose health care. It's NOT to oppose FinReg. Not if you're in the least bit insecure about winning reelection.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 10:08 PM
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Granted that they can't filibuster. But, how does voting no for financial regulation (even if it doesn't stop the bill) benefit the R's? I don't see the political gain to them? What am I missing?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 16, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

37th, I'm not in charge of Obama or the Democratic party. They chose their agenda and I support it. Some of the things Obama is trying to do are unsettling and unpopular now.

I look around the world and I see that many powerful and modern countries with strong economies and good lifestyles instirtuted forms of national health care years ago. Their citizens benefit from their systems and I want that for my country, too. They have lower medical costs and beat us in many categories of basic health needs well met. I know that people are worried. I know that it will not run smoothly at first. It was still the right thing to do. Truman thought about it. Nixon thought about it. Clinton tried to do it. The time was now

I also know that when a country has an increasing % of its GDP tied up in something as simple as medical care there is something wrong. When a basic cost trends like health care costs trends you end up with bad things happening to an increasing % of your population. When would we reach the breaking point? 18% of the GDP? 20 % of the GDP. As we all experienced with the recent gas crisis, when you are spending $60 to fill'er up, that is money not available for other things. When my self-employed neighbor pays 19K a year to buy modest coverage for himself and his wife (no kids) that is 19K he does not have to grow his business or save for his retirement. When my neighbor with kids pays $27K, he can't save for college for his kids. He makes 6 figures and he cannot save for college.

My final argument is that hooking health insurance to your employment was always a bad idea. One of my kids is autistic. She's a great kid and goes to regular classes in HS. I know that her autism is going to restrict her employment all her life. She will lose jobs because of her autism and she will be kept to small jobs, the kind that don't come with health insurance. What I see from our present system is that my child who most needs continuous coverage is my child least likely to have it. That's a wrong system.

So. Yes, some of what Obama has done is unpopular with some people but I like what he has done and I'm with him. Harry Reid may lose his seat. I admire his willingness to work hard for his party anyway, knowing what is on the line for him. Pelosi? She's a lioness and she will continue to be a great Speaker next year. Losing special elections for the Democrats? The only one was Senatorfold Brown. The others have all gone the Democrat's way.

The Republicans? They have nothing. They have proposed nothing. They have contributed nothing. They are owned by big business and lie to voters. They wanted our government to fail. They wanted our country to stay in the Recession so that they could win elections in 2010. They disgust me.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

'Dribbl is becoming unhinged. I mean more than usual. She hates it when the liberal mutual admiration society breaks down.

Now you know why I call them the three stooges.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse
'
Interesting situation. I could perform all manner of mischief here and Comrade_Zero would be blamed. Unfortunately, the moderator could tell right off who was responsible.

I read some of these posts during the day, usually over lunch, but as one of the fortunate few who still has a good job, I don't post from work.'

"No one who was new to this board would address me like that . . ." So what does protocol demand?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm just going to assume it's not zook. If he tricks me into interacting with him by acting somewhat normal, then I guess I'll have to settle for being a sucker.'

So you are a sucker, dawd. Why does he reference his alter ego, and attack the same people, in the same ways?

Read the syntactic pattern analysis...it's very clear.

Why would someone who is allegedly new here, attack the same people, in the same words?

'Unfortunately, the moderator could tell right off who was responsible.'

Why is this 'unfortunate?

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

12BB, Republicans won't be able to filibuster this bill. Dems are going to be able to peel at least one vote.

This is done. It's politically viable to oppose health care. It's NOT to oppose FinReg. Not if you're in the least bit insecure about winning reelection.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

ddawd writes: "I'm an argumentative person by nature."

Really?

No one here would have noticed that about you at all.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Margaret

All the cable stations reported robust turn-outs at all the rallies.


Am I correct that you did not even see one?

It was during the week - when most people are at work. If it was on a Saturday it would be different.

I didn't hear anybody say they were "disappointed."

Except the democrats who were "disappointed" that so many people showed up.

Did you get my comment earlier today that there was no violence at the Tea Party rallies, attending by thousands all over the country ?

But in Chicago, 19 people were shot and 7 dead as a result of violence in Obama's hometown - only.

Just wanted to point that out - in reponse to all the posters saying that the right-wing might get "violent."


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, if every conservative on here is a freakin nutcase, I'll treat them as such. I'm no journalist. If one side of the political spectrum is disproportionately unhinged, I'm not going to overlook it just for some weird semblance of "balance." I think it's safe to say we are both annoyed when journalists do that.

I'm an argumentative person by nature. But you can't argue with zook and 37th. Zook simply doesn't interact with others and 37th makes things up and just drowns out all discussion. A lot of us WANT someone to debate with.

But anyways, I know its stupid as hell to be out running this time of night, but it's REALLY nice outside!

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

37th, I was following Margaret's lead with the spelling of clansman. I was responding to her post. I'm not sure I spelled "Republicanier" right either, but I'm fairly certain I'm not a democrat.

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Isn't is spelled Klansman - gee - if you democrats are going to smear people, the least you can do is spell it correctly.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, I only post under one name, my own.

37th, I remind you that I am a dem libtard. And I am telling the truth: the attendance at the rallies was disappointing.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse


Margaret


You do realize that as it stands now, because of the health care bill Harry Reid will not be re-elected and Nancy Pelosi will lose her Speakership.

How in the world can you support these policies that are bringing such electorial losses onto your party.

They said when health care passed, the poll numbers would go way up, that has not happened.


Obama has sunk even further.


Support for the health care bill has gone down even further.

How in the world can you think that any of this was a good idea ??

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

How can the Republicans continue with voting against financial regulation with the allegations against the hedge fund Magnetar and now GS, both having to do with securites that led to the financial collapse.

Don't the polls show that Americans are outraged about Wall Street firms, and this will only fan the flames.

Does the Republicans stance make political sense? I don't get it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 16, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Margaret, I don't recall accusing you in particular of calling anyone a clansman or telling anyone to shut up---unless you did so under some other moniker. Did I? You must admit some of that stuff goes on around here.

"They are whiter, older, republicanier and love their Fox News." Is there something wrong with that? I think "more conservative" would be more accurate than "republicanier". And judging from the ratings, I thought almost everyone loved Fox News. No?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Indeed. I have been in the professional political trenches long enough not to take any of this game very seriously. It is always the amatuers who get all riled up. It seems everyone is a political scientist when asked. In fact I get along splendidly with even the most leftist of elected politicians. But the conversations are of a much different tone and timbre. But my family is mostly crazy leftists and I avoid this topic with them. They are like the stooges here. Irrational and downright mean.

Funny thing is, all this actually matters very much to me on a personal income aspect. Being in the minority knocked out a big chunk of income in our house. Next year will better.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CANCELS 2010 ELECTIONS


Washington DC (April 16, 2010) - Obama today cancelled the 2010 Congressional Elections, stating that there was too much racism in the electorate.


"We have to find a way to get rid of all these racists," Obama stated.


"In order to vote, all voters are going to have prove that they are not racist - and we are going to have to come up with some tests so that people can prove they are not racist."


"Did you hear what they were saying in Washington DC yesterday - carrying signs and all ? We know that when they talk about the trillion dollar deficit and high taxes, they really mean they are racist."


Obviously, African-Americans will not have to take the tests in order to vote - so "Maybe we will have a few elections with only blacks voting - just until we devise the tests for racism," Obama stated.


Obama has asked all the present Congress to stay on until he can figure out a way to get rid of all the racists so they won't vote. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid said that although it might be a hardship, they would be willing to stay in office past the expiration of their current terms.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CANCELS 2010 ELECTIONS


Washington DC (April 16, 2010) - Obama today cancelled the 2010 Congressional Elections, stating that there was too much racism in the electorate.


"We have to find a way to get rid of all these racists," Obama stated.


"In order to vote, all voters are going to have prove that they are not racist - and we are going to have to come up with some tests so that people can prove they are not racist."


"Did you hear what they were saying in Washington DC yesterday - carrying signs and all ? We know that when they talk about the trillion dollar deficit and high taxes, they really mean they are racist."


Obviously, African-Americans will not have to take the tests in order to vote - so "Maybe we will have a few elections with only blacks voting - just until we devise the tests for racism," Obama stated.


Obama has asked all the present Congress to stay on until he can figure out a way to get rid of all the racists so they won't vote. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid said that although it might be a hardship, they would be willing to stay in office past the expiration of their current terms.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Margaret

These rallies were on a Thursday - there would be more people there if they were held on a weekend.


Come on, you are a dem, so be honest.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm smiling that the Pennsylvania special election isn't on this list. The Republicans are getting no traction there. That would make HOW MANY special elections in a row for the Democrats, children?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

margaret


Nothing was lightly attended - you don't know what happened around the country, yet you claim that you can draw conclusions.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN GO TO ONE RALLY TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE.

There were over 10,000 in DC.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, I didn't say anything about the TEA Party participants being clansman and I don't see that I have told anyone to shut up. The fact is that although there were many rallies yesterday even the premiere rally, in DC, was lightly attended. There was no rally in Philadelphia (where the last rally attracted "several dozen participants" according to the Inquirer). There was very little coverage of the rallies on the radio, in the papers or on TV.

I did read the polling done by the Times and, I think, CBS. A lot of people say they suport the TEA Party, but it is becoming very clear that only a very small % of those "supporters" support the party enough to donate money or time, or appear at a rally. The TEA Party is statistically pretty close to America as a whole, so don't get too whipped on that better educated/richer scenario 'cause it isn't statistically significant. Their big bond? They are whiter, older, Republicanier and love their Fox News.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd


You are just feeling paranoid and depressed because you turn on the television and you see the Tea Party rallies.


You see all the energy and enthusiasm in the country - all of which is directed towards getting rid of Obama and his massive taxes.

You are down because you really want to be out with them. You are upset because you know the democrats are going to lose this year's election.

You are upset because you know that Obama committed a massive FRAUD against the American people - you know he promised to be bipartisan, post-racial and transparent and he didn't even TRY to do any of those things.


You are upset because Obama let you down - he pulled out a win but then he betrayed the democrats who voted for him with his far-left agenda that no one wants. You know the Republicans are going to win.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Goldman Sachs stock is down 13% on volume 10 times average. This suit is clearly a big deal. While I hate the hell that the market is down because of GS, I'm happy that finally someone is doing something. I know a lot of people don't think GS will get much of a penalty around this, but a stock move of 13% down and the volume tells me that smart investors don't agree.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 16, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I don't mind getting hit with a few zingers from time to time, as long as I am allowed to respond. I enjoy reading some of your exchanges. A few of the posters here really do seem angry from time to time, but I always sense a twinkle in Moonbat's proverbial eye. No?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

@FairlingtonBlade | April 16, 2010 9:06 PM
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I think we all should take your advice and back off and cool off. I have had decent, constructive conversations with some posters who would not agree with me politically. However if I was attacked or stalked by another poster, I don't know if I would EVER be able to trust enough to have a decent conversation. So far that hasn't happened, and I hope it doesn't.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 16, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

There's not much on topic (House races), so I'll reserve the majority of my comments for the topic of discussion--comments. I was a bit surprised that Perriello was as low on the list as 15th place. A hopeful sign.

Ultimately, the Post is going to need some sort of moderation system. I think that Zouk has four active identities at the moment. Moonbat, Zero, Drivel and perhaps one more? Simply banning an individual doesn't matter. I thought Jake Dort was reasonably clever in pointing out the ineffectiveness of the present system by re-registering as JakeD2.

37th floods the blog with one long-winded post after another. This isn't about political leanings. (The) 37th (collective) is trying to shut down the conversation. Jake got thrown off the blog the second time for that behavior. It's par for the course for 37th. It's not a SINGLE offensive post. It's a pattern of behavior.

I would hope for more conservatives with whom I can have a dialogue. Sliowa1, Dave, USMC_Mike, Jake at times (when not obsessing about birth certificates). I don't mind that Zouk finds tidbits written around the web, though think that these should be attributed. That'd make him drindl's conservative counterpart.

The obsession with finding personal insults for opposing commenters is the behavior I find obnoxious and in direct contradiction to the supposed rules governing discussions. One post of Ped should be sufficient. Instead, there are hundreds.

And, yes, I think that CF has stepped over the line at times and pretty much was asking for it when he got "banned". A bit of a shame as G&T was a pretty good handle.

A conservative should be able to come here without a post being hit by a volley of insults. A little more tolerance if you will.

Well, I've got some overdue tax forms to work on so I will be you all a fond farewell and a good evening.

Buh-bye

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 16, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

They are all me tin foil hat. We are coming to get you.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Dribbl is becoming unhinged. I mean more than usual. She hates it when the liberal mutual admiration society breaks down.

Now you know why I call them the three stooges.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Interesting situation. I could perform all manner of mischief here and Comrade_Zero would be blamed. Unfortunately, the moderator could tell right off who was responsible.

I read some of these posts during the day, usually over lunch, but as one of the fortunate few who still has a good job, I don't post from work.

"No one who was new to this board would address me like that . . ." So what does protocol demand?

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm just going to assume it's not zook. If he tricks me into interacting with him by acting somewhat normal, then I guess I'll have to settle for being a sucker.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

dawd, 'brigade'is zouk.

'Drindl, I'm afraid you've developed paranoia. Watch out for the shape-shifters.'

c'mon. no one who was new to this board would address me like that, in the same ooooold way.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

A National holiday should be proclaimed the day Nancy is forced to give up her gavel and flies away on her broom back to her cave.

Posted by: kenpasadena | April 16, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD, I take you at your word.
Drindl, I'm afraid you've developed paranoia. Watch out for the shape-shifters.

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

honestly, brigade, if 37th didn't flood the board, I wouldn't care what he said. It's the spamming that leads to my call to ban him.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"We're curious why liberals are so weak and whiny?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero |"
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Last time I checked it was idiots like you who were whining because they've been pulverized in the last two elections.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I see zouk/drivel/moonbat/comrade zero is now 'brigade.'

and so it continues. he never stops changing names.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

More disinformation from BroadwayJoe and Margaret. There are thousands of people at many of these rallies. And according to a poll by the New York Times, hardly a right wing rag, the tea party members average higher education and income than the population at large.

I know the facts don't fit the alternate reality paradigm of Rachel Maddow viewers, but some of us have suspected all along that people who are fearful of higher income taxes are likely not from among the 47% of the country who get their government services for free.

But take heart. You can still say that they are all closet klansmen, or demand that I be banned from the site for introducing a pesky thing like the truth.

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties were a bust. Rarely do more than 95 people show up for any of these Astroturf rallies. But the media would have you believe they could fill a coliseum.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 16, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Off topic, but what happened to all the TEA parties yesterday?

The turn out was way low, even in DC where "several thousand" were reported. "Police estimated that 1,200 showed up in Hartford, Conn., where a sign took sides: "Dump All Democrats. At least 1,000 paraded in Boise, Idaho; 500 rallied in Oklahoma City; in Lansing, Mich., 1,000 cheered calls for tax cuts and states rights; about 2,000 rallied Denver and another 2,000 in Colorado Springs." Here in Philadelphia they didn't even have a rally, and except for Fox,there has been close to no coverage.

The weather was beautiful so it's beginning to look like they shot their 15 minutes.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not curious, I know why.

Data point: nobody has ever been banned here for bigotry, but there have been bans for calling out bigotry,

37th is nothing if not a bigot.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 16, 2010 5:34 PM"
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I believe that's correct, noa. Commenters, most notably CF8, have been banned for complaining about bigoted posts, but, with few exceptions, those making bigoted posts have not been banned.

Kinda odd for a blog sponsored by a newspaper serving a city 70 percent black. Kinda speaks for itself. Oh well.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 16, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

It seems that DDAWD, Noacoler, and Drindl (to name three of the worst offenders) are continually calling for non-liberals to be banned from the site under one pretext or another. The usual excuse is bigotry, racism or name-calling.

Neocoler calls 37th a bigot; he calls another poster a hate jock and says he is obsessed with pedophilia. Drindl calls Comrade_Zero a psycopath. These people are incessantly accusing conservatives of being racists, bigots, and morons.

In the last thread, Drindl went off on a screed about the Ku Kux Klan and some other sap wrote "RepubliKKKans" or something to that effect. Yet when 37th says he thinks Obama is racist, there are calls for him to be banned.

At least 37 and Comrade_Zero can take it as well as dish it out. I'm an independent, but I must say, you dems are acting like sissies. You call other people names and accuse them of all manner of bigotry; then, when it comes back to you, you run to momma and want her to intercede for you.

Get a grip. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Posted by: Brigade | April 16, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes, dawd, he posted a link to my resume -- the nut actually spends a lot of time stalking me -- which contains my home address, my phone number, email, you name it. Then my Facebook page.

I have a kid, you know. This stuff really creeps me out.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Andy, thanks for reminding us that the Hawaii thing, if it does go bad, will be self-correcting.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 16, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

zook posted your address???

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"The bans have been for the most part centered on a certain poster - The Ped, chrissy foxxy",

Posted by: Comrade_Zero"


Here's a good example, Chris--from just a couple hours ago. Are you aware that this person is using another poster's real name, and referring to him-- every day -- as a pedophile?

Why does the Wapo allow this?

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse


I'm too busy so send me any offending comments so *we* can get rid of bad actors.

Thanks,
Chris

Posted by: Chris

This is hilarious!
Chris you stop it,
right now,
you're killing me,

offending comments...
bad actors,
we'll get rid of them
for sure!

...stop it, stop tickling me,
I can't breathe!

oh, whew,

It is a good thing
laughing is healthy,
thank you Chris.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Dribbl complains about posting links to personal sites.

Chrissy foxxy complains about nastiness.

Incorrigible.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 16, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

lol, zook. Trying to take me out of context isn't really effective when someone can literally scroll down an inch and get the context.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler is complaining about flooding the board.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Chris, we wonder why you are not doing anything about 37 -- whom just about everyone complains about -- and the offensive posts by 'Comrade Zero' also known as 'Moonbat,' 'drivel,' and several other names.

Not only does he insult everyone here repeatedly by calling one regular poster a pedophile every single day, and stalking me, posting my personal information, such as links to my resume and Facebook page.

The New York Times would have had this guy permanently out at least a year ago -- if they weren't calling the FBI. Posting personal information, such as the home address of other posters, is considered threatening behavior by most reputable newspapers.

What is wrong with the Washington Post, that they allow this kind of psychopath to keep posting?

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Feel the liberal love:

""And, topping it all, you are seriously disturbed, D-ward material if I ever saw one. The hate and derision just drips from your posts. You are in no way a happy or well-adjusted person, you are very sick. If you are not hospitalized now you certainly have been before. ""

Posted by: Noacoler | April 16, 2010 1:09 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


So f*ck yeah, I'm trying to shut down opposition.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 5:55 PM

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 16, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Opposition are people who are intentionally trying to disrupt discussion. That is my goal as far as this board is concerned.

So f*ck yeah, I'm trying to shut down opposition.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Not sure how Bob Dold (Republican candidate IL-10) can claim to be an outsider when he's running against another non-office-holder in Dan Seals. Seals came very close to ousting an 8 year incumbent who was the best-funded congressional candidate in 2008. He can beat an anti-choice heir.

Posted by: 10thdem | April 16, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I've been busy writing and reporting and not as active in comments section. Please send me any offending comments so we can get rid of bad actors.

==

Just read any comments section. Pick one at random. This isn't exactly subtle or occasional stuff. If you recognized JakeD's meltdown you can recognize 37th's flooding. Same post over and over and over, thread after thread, and vast wasted vertical space. 100% disruption, 0% content.

And please do something about the hate jock posting under a dozen monikers, the one obsessed with pedophilia. That has no place here.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 16, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

One thing CC, is even if the GOP wins the special election in Hawaii they won't hold the seat in November. By then the Democrats will have had a primary and will only have one nominee.

Posted by: AndyR3 | April 16, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd is simply trying to silence the opposition.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

The bans have been for the most part centered on a certain poster - The Ped, chrissy foxxy, who single-handedly originated the need for banning. this was due to excessive and overtly obnoxious and agregious mischeviousness. Several other posters were banned in tandem with responding to this pest.

Most of the really rotten behavior centers on this one individual and the incessent chirping and self forming networks of like minded idiots.

Indeed, deviance has been defined downward.

dribbl has been carpet posting hateful nonsense from other sites for years, to no real ill effect. It wasn't until the virulent strain of nastiness known as Noacolor/Gold and Tanzanite/ChrisFox8/etc. arrived that the blog really spiraled out of control.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 16, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CANCELS 2010 ELECTIONS


Washington DC (April 16, 2010) - Obama today cancelled the 2010 Congressional Elections, stating that there was too much racism in the electorate.


"We have to find a way to get rid of all these racists," Obama stated.


"In order to vote, all voters are going to have prove that they are not racist - and we are going to have to come up with some tests so that people can prove they are not racist."


"Did you hear what they were saying in Washington DC yesterday - carrying signs and all ? We know that when they talk about the trillion dollar deficit and high taxes, they really mean they are racist."


Obviously, African-Americans will not have to take the tests in order to vote - so "Maybe we will have a few elections with only blacks voting - just until we devise the tests for racism," Obama stated.


Obama has asked all the present Congress to stay on until he can figure out a way to get rid of all the racists so they won't vote. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid said that although it might be a hardship, they would be willing to stay in office past the expiration of their current terms.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 16, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

All,

I've been busy writing and reporting and not as active in comments section. Please send me any offending comments so we can get rid of bad actors.

Thanks,
Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | April 16, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not curious, I know why.

Data point: nobody has ever been banned here for bigotry, but there have been bans for calling out bigotry,

37th is nothing if not a bigot.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 16, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

We're curious why liberals are so weak and whiny?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 16, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Chris, we're curious why you're doing nothing about 37th+O

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Chris, we're curious why you're doing nothing about 37th+O

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

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