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Republican Veepstakes Line: The Final Cut

DENVER -- With John McCain expected to reveal his vice presidential pick in the next 24 hours, The Fix decided to take one last crack at our rankings of the men (and woman) most likely to receive that phone call from the Arizona senator today.

Friday Line

Due to the amount going on in the political world today, we're keeping the Veepstakes Line short and sweet -- call it our "just the facts, ma'am" edition. Stick with The Fix all day for the latest developments in the McCain v.p. announcement, which, if Matt Drudge is right, could leak as soon as 6 p.m. ET tonight.

One other note: You'll notice below that we have just four names. That's because -- based on our reporting -- these are the only people with any serious shot at being the pick. Looking for a real darkhorse? The name we keep hearing is former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman.

As always, the number one ranked candidate is the most likely to be the pick. Kudos and criticisms are welcome in the comments section below.

To the Line!

4. Tom Ridge: Time's Mark Halperin has reported that the former Pennsylvania governor is out of the running. Our reporting on the matter is a bit more murky but it's clear the Ridge buzz has died down of late. It may restart following McCain's strong praise of Ridge this morning on a Denver radio station. Of course, seen another way, McCain's comments could be a sort of consolation prize to his old friend. (Previous ranking: 2)

3. Joe Lieberman: There's no question that there is a strong Lieberman contingent within McCain's inner circle -- led by South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham. And, of the Final Four, McCain may be the closest to the Connecticut Senator. (Ridge and McCain are extremely good friends as well.) Still, with poll after poll showing McCain in a virtual dead heat with Obama, it seems somewhat hard to believe that he would make what looks like a "Hail Mary" pick rather than simply play it safe. Lieberman may well be too conservative for most Democrats but he is WAY too liberal for most Republicans -- an ideological divide that could spell trouble for McCain next week in St. Paul. (Former Bush White House political guru Karl Rove apparently agrees with the danger inherent in picking Lieberman; Rove called Lieberman and urged him to remove his name from consideration, according to Politico's J-Mart.) (Previous ranking: 3)

Mitt Romney
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) (AP File Photo)

2. Mitt Romney: As we have written for months, the former Massachusetts governor probably makes the most sense on paper as McCain's vice president. A successful businessman, he can talk fluently about how to re-start the economy. A former presidential candidate, he has few vetting issues that could derail the McCain message. And, with roots in both Michigan and New Hampshire, Romney could help the Arizona Senator in two key swing states. Why isn't Romney number one? McCain has never truly warmed up to him, his work for Bain Capital would be fodder for Democrats on the economic front, and his Mormonism is still viewed skeptically by many Americans. And in an election where both candidates are trying to connect with the "average voter," the wealthy Romney might not contrast well with Joe Biden and his working class roots. (Previous ranking: 4)

Tim Pawlenty
Gov. Tim Pawlenty (AP File Photo)

1. Tim Pawlenty: So it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end. T-Paw sat atop our first Veepstakes Line and he claims the pole position in our last Line as well. Pawlenty has been the tortoise in this race -- never really emerging as the buzz candidate but never falling too far off the lead pack either. His combination of Midwestern roots, conservative credentials (particularly on the abortion issue) and a longtime friendship with McCain make him the safest choice available. And, in an election that could well be decided (again) by a few percentage points, the "do no harm" pick seems to make the most sense for McCain. Is Pawlenty ready for such a big stage? Real doubts remain. (Previous ranking: 1)

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 28, 2008; 1:50 PM ET
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Without an Update from Chris, other sites are reporting AK gov Palin.

talk about out of left field....

I'm not sure what this does for the McCain ticket except remind people that 1) he's really old (she's younger than Obama) and 2) The Republican Party is totally corrupt, as she made her name running against the AK R establishment which, as we now see, is totally corrupt.

Posted by: Peter | August 29, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

After all his build-up of the requirement of experience, old man McCain had better come up with someone experienced, experienced like Joe Biden.

Posted by: First Mouse | August 29, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"Hey AsperGirl, assuming your pseudonym is what you say it is, your brain isn't so tip-top either!"

Let's not knock aspies now, I'm one myself whether she is or not.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 29, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey AsperGirl, assuming your pseudonym is what you say it is, your brain isn't so tip-top either!

Yes, I went there.

Posted by: SHAZAM! | August 29, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

And the Tom Ridge warning system has been elevated to Threat Level Orange - There is an increased risk of Tom Ridge being the VP Nominee

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 29, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

thank god...Palin is in Alaska.

It's going to be Ridge or Romney...

straight out of the last 8 years...oh boy.

Posted by: dl | August 29, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"Also McCain will be NOTHING like Bush, they hate each other - another deception practiced by the Obama people."

And the McCain camp, what with all the hugging, embracing of his positions, his campaign, his tactics, his staff, and all...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 29, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Palin !

Lets pray this is a head fake. Actually as an Obama supporter be very happy. As an American...

Pray that John mcCain is much younger than reported.

Pray that Alaska has actually hidden their economy size and diversity of issues.

Pray that we do not really know her history with foreign policy.

Pray that she is really Al Gore in a disguise.

Pray that that John mccain's brian will be discovered to have taken a break with this choice... and he will renounce that he would never risk the welfare of the nation on a political stunt like picking any woman he could get his hands on especially this one who is beyond ill-equipped or proven ...or has anything that shows show could run this global world power even...just for a political stunt to get himself elected President.

This would show not bad judgment...but horrifically scary judgment.

seriously...not over-stated.

Palimn is going to deal with and has shown any ability to deal with...knowledge of judgment on... Russia, the taliban Pakistan, Georgia, afghanistan, Iraq...

Pray this choice is not true.

Posted by: dl | August 29, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Rumors flying around about a plane from Anchorage to Ohio last night..if he goes with Palin, there's a sure sign of desperation on his part, gambling that he can peel off a few women voters (and maybe solidifying Alaska's 3 EVs) in exchange for conceding the experience issue, which has been his one card that has worked at all thusfar. A 72 year old veteran (Happy birthday Mac) without the best health history is all that would stand between the mayor of Wasilla and the White House.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 29, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

apparently McCain has decided now to hold off with Lieberman for a Cabinet post like Secretary of State or Defense.

But the old maverick could still come up with a surprise Veep today.

Posted by: Buck TX Ind | August 29, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

funny

To see a bunch of repubs above...actually and literally jealous.

lol

John Mccain has "been working on change for 10 years" ...yeah yet voted with George Bush 90% of the time. That sounds like real change...oy, ugh and duh.

It's the first time in a long time we actually have someone who is making so much sense and who speaks so much to the best character of our country running for President

and all the repubs can do is make fun of it and say John mccain who again 90% in tandem with Bush...ugh...

Why don't you just make fun of all of the American flags that stood flying in people's hands last night.

or the fact that 40,000 of those people got registered to vote last night and had to promise to volunteer for a week just to get in.

lol

JUST FROM the swing state of COLORADO ALONE

and now it's on the repub side it's down to

The Trust Fund Baby ticket....

Mccain Romney

or
The Pray He Doesn't Have a Heart Attack Ticket

Mccain Palin.

Posted by: dl | August 29, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

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John McCain has been on the Straight Talk Express for 10 years SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY about the reforms he would like in Washington.

Obama focus-groups the word "change" and all of a sudden he is the real guy. Obama then has never really been that specific about what his changes are. I sense a bit of "me-tooism" from Obama - and it is a bit deceptive. "Maybe they won't notice that I am taking John McCain's straight talk express campaign themes." Also McCain will be NOTHING like Bush, they hate each other - another deception practiced by the Obama people.


The REAL CHANGE AGENT IS JOHN MCCAIN - HE HAS HAS BEEN SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO FOR 10 YEARS NOW - AND SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN HAS THE EXPERIENCE THAT WILL ENABLE HIM TO GET THOSE CHANGES IN PLACE IN WASHINGTON.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | August 29, 2008 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Yolanda | August 29, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Given McCain's age, it is critical for him to pick someone as VP who can step into the Oval Office in a heartbeat.

Does Pawlenty offer that experience? If he doesn't, what does that say about McCain's judgment?

Posted by: tex805 | August 29, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

>>bondjedi wrote: "Aspergirl: "You have absolutely no concept about the proportionate use of force, do you?"
--It's "proportional," genius. And the amount of shelling was irrelevant - again, since you weren't paying attention, Georgia was warned about the ramifications of its actions, well before the incursion."


bondjedi, this is the last time I'm going to tell you that you're too stupid for me to cross talk with. It's not just that you're stupid, but you're aggressively, condescendingly and in-your-face stupid. You're a classic brain-damaged, Kool Aid DailyKos retard. I'm not going to argue with your retardation. After this post, the only responses you'll ever get from me are explanations of what an aggressive, annoying retard you are.

I wasn't talking about Georgia shelling Ossetia being okay. The Russian incursion into Georgia, the damage done in Georgia and its occupation of the country is disproportionate to Russia's claimed cause of its intervention.

proportionate (comparative more proportionate, superlative most proportionate)
1. In proportion; proportional; commensurable.
2. harmonious and symmetrical.

Proportional Proportional may refer to:
1. Proportional (fair division) means that each of n players thinks that they received 1 / n of the cake.

The Russian response was DISPROPORTIONATE to the claimed cause for its action.

You are a classic retarded, 4th rate liberal arts program flunkee cyberbully from DailyKos. You're too stupid to cross-talk with. The only responses you'll get from me from now on from your aggressive, retarded attempts to debate me with your pathetic, dim brain, will be accusations of how stupid you are. Leave me alone.

You have no interesting points, you're verbally abusive and trashy in your behavior, and that bulb in your brain is very, very dim. You are utterly pointless to cross-talk with.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 28, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

re:
"In response to Jan: John Kasich isn't being considered for a spot on the Republican ticket because he is probably going to challenge Ted Strickland for governor of Ohio in 2010." Posted by: VBArthur | August 28, 2008 3:25 PM

Thanks for your response!

But wuld he really rather be governor of a state than VP?
And a VP definitely in line for POTUS?

I know he's actually run for President at least once.

Posted by: Jan | August 28, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

dotty - "...Apparently, Neither Presidential candidate was born in the USA, as required by the Consitution..."

Where do people like you come from? Can you even read? The Constitution only requires that the President be a U.S. citizen by birth. And, as for Obama, he was born in Hawaii, which would make him a U.S. citizen no matter what. Nonetheless, his mother was a U.S. citizen which also makes him automatically a U.S. citizen. In the case of McCain, he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, but to an active duty U.S. serviceman AND a U.S. citizen. He is also, under the Constitution, automatically a U.S. citizen. You, on the other hand, are obviously some families escaped pet and do not even qualify as human, so...you aren't a U.S. citizen.

Posted by: Observer | August 28, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Mac Veep race:

They say Pawlenty but insiders are betting on the following top 10:
1. James "Jim" Crow
2. Chief Darryl Gates
3. Imus
4. Robert Mugabe
5. "Ben" (the legendary rice entrepreneur)
6. Hal Turner
7. Joe Scarborough
8. Mark Foley
9. Larry Craig
10. Dog the Bounty Hunter

Update: Drudge is reporting Mac's sister-in-law in law is supporting.....O.

Who would have "thunk" it? Bill Clinton saves the day. After months and months of race-baitin' and O-bashin', Clinton gave the perfect speech yesterday, teeing up the ball perfectly for BO tonight. His was the speech his spouse should have given but didn't. After Bill's blow-out oration (he hit every point just right), the word is the harpies flew out of there as if they'd be sprayed with Raid. Major shout-out to Ms. Lewinsky's favorite president.

Shout out to O, of course, but also "KO" --Keith Olbermann -- continuing to speak the truth to power in the tradition of Edward R. Murrow and Cronkite. His now-legendary Special Comment about HRC playing the RFK a-card against BO was a high point in journalism. How good was that? Let's hope he survives the power struggle with his jealous colleagues at MSNBC. Stay strong, KO.

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 28, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Lyndon LaRouche predicts McCain will install billionaire NYC Mayor Bloomberg to be his VP tomorrow as per oligarghy made up of international bankers and financiers. He will fulfill their agenda of privatizing U.S. government's programs, infrastructure and jobs for big profit$$$ as the depressing economy threatens their wealth.

The country is going into a major economic depression with over 5000 banks are already bankrupt today with more day by day.

Hillary was rid of because she would fix the economy by bringing back President FDR's economic Bretton Woods policy to fix current economic collapse. This policy caters to the 80% of the forgotten people and threatens the oligarghy's wealth and whose ultimate goal is to rid of all governments, peoples' sovereingties and Constitutions and ultimately install fascism.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse


QandO Newsroom


Did Biden have a hand in worsening the mortgage crisis?

Posted by: McQ on Thursday, August 28, 2008


That what some experts are saying:

Experts say hundreds of thousands of Americans may have lost their homes due to a bill championed by Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., Barack Obama's vice-presidential running mate.

At least two studies have concluded that the United States' foreclosure crisis was exacerbated by a 2005 law that overhauled the nation's bankruptcy law. That conclusion is echoed by other experts, although the banking and credit industry disputes it.

From a political perspective only, you have to wonder if this will be played up as something Biden did because his son was associated with the credit card industry (a *gasp* lobbyist) and whether it will have any legs.

The bill was backed by banks and credit card companies including MBNA, which is headquartered in Delaware, Biden's home state. They wanted the bill because it would make it harder for Americans to use bankruptcy to avoid repaying credit card debt. MBNA executives had been Biden's single largest source of campaign donations, and MBNA has employed Biden's son Hunter as a company executive, lobbyist and consultant. The Obama campaign has said Hunter Biden did no work for MBNA on the bankruptcy bill. MBNA has since been bought by Bank of America.

According to some who've studied the home foreclosure situation, they see this bill as one of the contributors to the high numbers of foreclosures:

BAPCPA "is directly responsible for the rising foreclosure rate since the end of 2005," concluded a 2007 study by Credit Suisse. The law "increased foreclosures and the number of homes for sale," echoed a July 2008 study by U.S. Treasury researcher David Bernstein. That study estimated the law had pushed foreclosures or forced sales on 200,000 homeowners since it went into effect, but noted that was a rough, "back-of-the-envelope" calculation.

Others call the study "junk" and "not worth the paper it's written on".

But the logic train seems to lead back to BAPCPA:

But the 2005 law Biden championed made it more expensive and more difficult to declare bankruptcy, experts conclude. That forced hundreds of thousands of distressed homeowners to sell their homes, or default on their mortgages, after which the bank would sell their former home, according to the studies. That flood of homes going up for sale in an already-weakening market further depressed home prices, according to the two reports, snowballing into the current crisis.

BAPCPA "increased home foreclosures, increased the dollar value of financial assets in default, and put additional downward price pressure on real estate markets," concluded the Bernstein report. Bernstein conducted the report as an individual, not as a representative the Treasury Department.

Of course the bill was also touted by Republicans - Biden was a key sponsor and rallied enough Democratic support to get the bill passed.

However, the fact that he had such a large role in its passage and it has had the effect it has had is going to make it a little more difficult for him to claim it is those mean old Republicans who are the reason people have lost their homes.

Posted by: Q&O Newsroom | August 28, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Someone just emailed mea cartoon that shows a GOP staffer telling McCain that:

"we feel that you are wearing out the POW card"

McCain responds: "You know, for 5 1/2 years, I couldn't play cards"

Posted by: Gary P. | August 28, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

It is 200% going to be Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota!!!!!!

Posted by: Peter | August 28, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I hear that Romney and Lieberman demanded to have total control of the white house kitchen staff. Hmmm.

Posted by: Gary P. | August 28, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I am very glad this VP stuff is over and we will know the race tommorrow! Then, we can get back to more meaningful political discussion on issues of the today as the political junkies we are! More governor, senate & presidential line with minor candidates & the roles they will play in the outcome of the election: Barr & McKinney. Baldwin from the Conservative party, especially if McCain picks Lieberman. It will be an interesting home stretch.

Posted by: reason | August 28, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Somebody in DNC tip off the speakers tonight, it's going to be Holbrooke or Rice.
Start lambasting both tonight before McCain announces either tomorrow:
Heads up to:
Madeleine Albright, Former Secretary of John Kerry, U.S. Senator, Massachusetts
Bill Richardson, governor of New Mexico

Posted by: JC | August 28, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain should get another POW as a running mate, just in case no one's heard he was a POW centuries ago. The double POW's. The POW WOW's.

Or, maybe he should name Aricept or Namenda as his vice president

Posted by: Gary P. | August 28, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

If it's Whitman, the conservatvie movement will do everything possible to undermine the ticket. Whitman is the author of numerous books and articles about rebuilding the Republican party in a more moderate, big tent party to retake the NE, which completely flies in the face of what the Conservatives want. They would much rather lose the election and blame the "maverick" politics of McCain/Whitman as being responsible for the loss, allowing them to solidify their control of the party for the next generation.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty would be an awesome choice (for us Democrats). Biden would have him for lunch in a debate.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for hitting the wrong button.
I meant to point out that

CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN has some small problems.
Obama touts that he is a public servant, remember? (though as I mentioned Cindy Mc Cain is active in all of her charitable factions , and so much so she volunteers on crews to find and blow up land mines we left after the war in Vietnam)

Didn't Whitman resign her appointed post in the EPA for the private sector, which hasn't been a clean and smooth position to be in?
She is caught up in the same shoes Powell was put in. Powell has a great military history and a National security resume in touch with today.

Leaving any door open for a strike position and the snake Obama will crawl through it.

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

ALL HAIL MITT ROMNEY, THE NEW VP RUNNING MATE OF JOHN MCCAIN, THE MAN WHO HAS THE INTELLECTUAL BRILLIANCE, THE VAST BUSINESS EXPERTISE TO TURN THIS COUNTRY'S DIRE ECONOMY AROUND-JUST LIKE BILL CLINTON DID IN THE 90'S!

IT'S MCCAIN/ROMNEY 08-IN A LANDSLIDE!

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

FROM THE BOSTON GLOBE:


< Back to Front Page Text size – + McCain has picked veep, top aide says
Email|Link|Comments (3) Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor August 28, 2008 06:12 PM
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff

John McCain's campaign said this afternoon that the Republican nominee has chosen his running mate and will appear with his choice at a rally Friday with McCain in Ohio.

In the latest possible hint, the Associated Press is reporting that Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty abruptly cancelled a series of interviews today in Denver, where he has been counter-messaging the Democratic convention. And Pawlenty told Roll Call that he plans to be at the Minnesota State Fair on Friday, not Ohio.

"On issues relating to the vice presidency, that’s obviously Sen. McCain’s decision,” Pawlenty told the Capitol Hill newspaper. “The McCain campaign will be making those announcements [Friday] presumably.”

Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas took herself out of the running, telling Fox News, "I have no airline reservations to Ohio."

Hutchison said she did not know what to read into Pawlenty's disappearing act, and suggested that former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is still high on McCain's list.

"My guess is Mitt Romney if I had to bet the ranch," she said.

Hutchison also said, "A woman on the ticket would have been something very exciting."

McCain told KDKA NewsRadio in Pittsburgh that he would bring along both former Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge and Romney to another rally Saturday in Pennsylvania. They are both believed to be on his short list. But in the interview, he cautioned against assuming that meant either one would be the pick.

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

It's Richard Holbrook - Dayton accords negotiator - a horrendous choice, of course. He should have picked Condi.

Posted by: JC | August 28, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN has some small problem.
Obama touts that he is a public servant, remember? (though as I mentioned Cindy Mc Cain is active in all of her charitable factions , and so much so she volunteers on crews to find and blow up land mines we left after the war)

Didn't Whitman left her appointed post in the EPA for the private sector?

Leaving any door open for a strike position and the snake Obama will crawl through it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you, Cocktails - CTW is the only one mentioned by Chris that makes me excited in any way. She seems just like one of the people the old McCain would have considered (I wonder who his VP candidate would have been in 2000..)?

Posted by: Remus | August 28, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Darn, what a dull as ditchwater list of potential number 2s - in a year when the Democrats have been able to give us a great blended ticket of Obama/Biden, and where the ever-evolving list of potential VP candidates has been colorful and exciting, the Republicans have offered us nothing but turgid white conservative men. The few potentially exciting nominees - Jindal & Sarah Palin - probably never stood a chance. McCain is making a mistake, I believe, if he goes for someone predictable and right-wing. People are tired of Bush, and if he wants to be seen as anything but Bush III, he needs to try to exploit his fake of a maverick status and win the election by squeezing the center ground, rather than by keeping Bush's proposals and hoping that he can character assassinate Obama to the extent where it is lies, rather than policies, that matter.

I just hope the bottom falls through for him soon. I hope whoever he picks is the worst possible VP candidate - if it's Romney, we can make adverts about the Flip-Floppers-in-chief...

Posted by: Remus | August 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, you've finally raised the name of the one VEEP candidate who could really throw a monkey wrench into this campaign and give McCain a real chance at winning--CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN! But why just the brief mention of her name (as one you "keep hearing")--and nothing more?

Her advantages: (1) executive experience (as New Jersey governor and EPA administrator), (2) a moderate who appeals to independent voters, (3) a woman (who presumably might peel away some of Hillary's disappointed supporters), (4) puts New Jersey into play, (5) a decade younger than McCain, (6) projects "change," (7) brings excitement to the GOP ticket, and (8) shows McCain as a bold leader by making such an daring and unexpected choice.

Disadvantages: (1) her moderate stands might turn off some conservatives, and (2) she comes from a wealthy family.

That's 8 to 2 in favor. I hope McCain does it!

Posted by: cocktails42 | August 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl
But there's a lot of sexism in politics. Hard to say he'd make that pick.

....
Mc Cain is married to a very solvent woman who stands in her own shoes. While Michele was trying to learn how to dress like a first lady and making press, I noted that Cindy was on a crew in Vietnam clearing land mines.

Mc Cain doesn't stike me as a weak and issued man with Chappaquiddick as a history.

If Rice would accept I believe he would ask her. Maybe he did and she refused.
Rice is not stuck in the Democrat Party rut of women's empowerment. She is already there and may not even consider saying no might mean to all of us without empowerment in politics.

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

If McShame hasn't decided whether to go with a VP who is pro-choice or pro-life, Romney would fit either way.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 28, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone was caught flat footed by the Georgia crisis. The "crisis" didn't develop organically from the fundamentals of the situation. Russia's action didn't follow logically or emotionally from the Georgia situation.

Russia is making strategic plays in playing a larger game. The Georgia incursion is a calculated move in that game. The situation is more serious than it appears on the surface."

Ummm, did you bother to read the link to the Biden-Lugar statement I posted already? It was completely forseeable, it caught no one who was paying attention by surprise, and every intelligent person monitoring it knows Georgia is just a pawn in the game.

http://georgia.usembassy.gov/pr-04272008.html

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"You have absolutely no concept about the proportionate use of force, do you?"

It's "proportional," genius. And the amount of shelling was irrelevant - again, since you weren't paying attention, Georgia was warned about the ramifications of its actions, well before the incursion.

So long as you are pretending to have a solid grasp on current events, foreign affairs, and reality - what other instant analysis do you have in your pockets?

Posted by: bondjedi | August 28, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Incredible! McCain has just thrown his support behind Obama. McCain says he's just too tired of it all. "I am 74, after all. What was I thinking? I need a hammock and a beach."

Posted by: Ben Justice | August 28, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Apparently,Neither Presidential candidate was born in the USA, as required by the Consitution, but until the current U.S. Department of Justice begins to act like enforcement regarding such law,
both party factions say "Law? we don't need no stinking laws"

Probably the most attractive President to both sides would be THE GOVERNATOR, but he respects American laws and doesn't try it to push it.

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Too bad, Ridge would've been a solid choice. Sadly, they are probably right that the pro-choice thing would've done him in. At least he's consistent, but that's not gonna be good enough. He'll probably go with Pawlenty if he knows what's good for him. I don't know anything about Pawlenty, but it's gotta be better than the other two.

If I was wishing failure on the campaign, I would recommend Lieberman - who seems to be hated just as much on the left as he is on the right (which I guess makes him bi-partisan, just not successfully so).

Romney might get some votes from the base, but he and McCain have the same weakness which will magnify to a fatal flaw if they are on the same ticket. Neither of them seem to be able to remember their positions on the issues. Romney flipped on abortion and same-sex marriage just before the election. McCain flipped on offshore drilling, torture, tax cuts for the wealthy, immigration, etc during the election. Put the two together and no one will be able to tell what either of them stand for.

Posted by: Grueschenka | August 28, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

He said he was going to pick me, but I showed up at the wrong house I guess.

Posted by: Mitt Romney | August 28, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

>>dotty wrote: "If Rice were to go on the ticket with Mc Cain, my quest is ended, I will just wait around for election day."

I would definitely go for McCain if Condoleezza Rice is on his ticket. I can't imagine a better person.

But there's a lot of sexism in politics. Hard to say he'd make that pick.

In some ways, the pick McCain makes in this election year of hope and problems and demographic pressures, will help show what kind of man he is, in a way that the military experience and senate experience won't.

I'd be very happy if it's Rice.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 28, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

>>bondjedi wrote: "You're right AsperGirl - it's not like Georgia shelled South Ossetia after being warned by the United States in no uncertain terms to mind its p's and q's with Russia. If you're going to spout nonsense, at least read the news first."

You have absolutely no concept about the proportionate use of force, do you?

It's unsurprising that you don't since you get your information from newspapers. That puts you someone on the information food chain below journalists.

Not worth the time discussing this issue with you because most of the time would be spent explaining things to you. Just accept, bondjedi, that when I post my posts aren't targeted to your level of development.

Don't want to crosstalk w/you because you argue at such a clueless level.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 28, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm feeling the Romney vibe. I think he's most likely to be the pick.

BUT, I think that Joe Biden makes T-Paw the BEST pick. Biden really came across as an effective advocate/representative of working class during his speech last night. McCain is definitely not seen that way. Romney is not seen and ISN'T that way. One of the perceived advantages and press that came out weeks ago was that McCain would be able to "react" to Obama's pick. T-Paw seems to be the best VP pick to counter Biden. He helps to counter the "Change" argument (only Washington outsider), but even more important, is the self-made success story from humble beginnings (son of a truck driver from working class South St. Paul) that would be a great counter to Joe Biden.

If I were John McCain, which I'm assuredly not, I'd pick Tim Pawlenty, even though I'm highly skeptical (at best) that he can deliver Minnesota.

Posted by: JCHJ | August 28, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Diogenes-first of all McCain didn't go to law school

Posted by: arrabbiato


I doubt that he is confused about who our enemies are, because he didn't study Islam as a child either.

The President and VP have a job of leading an "AMERICAN" military and having them follow. Remember?

The job of VP is one that has very large shoes to fill.
The American foot print is still felt if a USA foot steps off shore.
Some of the recent posts reflect that in here.

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Berg, who says he donated about $200 to Mrs. Clinton's campaign, may represent the fringe of the pro-Hillary faction that hasn't warmed to Mr. Obama.

He has filed suits for clients against President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, claiming they knew about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks before they happened. He also publicly asked Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia and Sandra Day O'Connor to disbar themselves for their decision in the controversial 2001 case Bush v. Gore.

Mr. Berg has posted documents on his Web site, ObamaCrimes.com, he says back up his claims. But he said he doesn't know where they originated.

Backers of the idea that Mr. Obama isn't a natural-born citizen say Mr. Obama's certification of live birth doesn't quell the issue. They say a certification can be obtained after birth.

But the Hawaii State Department of Health said Monday that there is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID, said Alvin Onaka, a research and statistics officer at the Department of Health.

In Hawaii, only the person named on the certificate or his family can request the certificate of live birth.

Several fact-checking groups, such as FactCheck.org and PolitiFact.com have determined that the certification posted on Mr. Obama's Web site is authentic.

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2008 is crazy? Look in the mirror, aspergirl.

Posted by: Obama-Biden '08 | August 28, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener | August 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I have thought for a while that Whitman would be a surprising and possibly brilliant choice--certainly better than Lieberman and Pawlenty. Still, McCain will probably go with Romney.

Posted by: dch | August 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Rice gay? Not that it matters to me, but wouldn't it matter to all the right-wing nutballs McCain is trying to win?

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | August 28, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to argue with you about this lawsuit. You should go read the docs. I believe we argued this earlier.

The Washington Times has now picked up the story, right on schedule.

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Of course you are not going to argue with me. Not when you can cut and paste and pretend that because the Moonie Times picked it up that it is legitimate. You are the same fool that wasted how many posts claiming what is clearly is a lie (your alleged "forensic" background - what, you own all the "CSI Vegas" dvds?)Crazy people (like you) file suits all the time about all kinds of things. It will get kicked out and you will just have to find something else to latch your sad hopes onto.

Posted by: 2008 | August 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

From the Detroit Free Press-(Romney's home state) 5 minutes ago.

Why Romney is the best choice for McCain
History should prompt a close look at McCain/Romney ticket

August 28, 2008


Mitt Romney, who everyone agrees is handsome enough to play the president in a movie if not at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, made an impressive run at the Republican nomination, and held on much longer than pundits and pollsters believed he would. Vulnerable to some of the same characterizations as Quayle, namely that he is inexperienced in the global arena, the beneficiary of upper-class upbringing and somewhat unpredictable on platform issues, Romney did his best to divert the focus to his sound economic experience, his leadership in roles outside of Washington, and his sophisticated charm, all things McCain could use a little more of.

While no one could argue that McCain appeals to the foreign policy hawks on the right, Romney, like Quayle, brings a feel-good attention to family values that is sure to appeal to church-going, Middle America, even the ones who would like to get out of Iraq sooner than later.

But Romney has an edge on Quayle, who most Republicans consider an overwhelming failure, in a number of important areas. While Democrats would surely focus on Romney's flip-flopping in recent years, no one can accuse him of being stupid or feeble, especially now that the Dems spent so much time criticizing him for being too slick, rehearsed and well-spoken.
Likewise, though Romney also never served in Vietnam, his missionary work with the Mormon church is unlikely to be viewed as the kind of cowardly maneuvers associated with draft-dodging. And where Quayle made somewhat impotent attempts at addressing American morality by railing against, of all things, "Murphy Brown," Romney's interests in stumping for family values seem far more sincere and authentic, thanks to what appears to be a skeleton-less closet, a strong and long-going marriage, an unwavering faith and conservative positions on social issues.

Though Reagan was popular at the time, it's easy to forget, especially now that he's got top billing within conservative hagiography, that Americans were bitterly divided in 1988, and the hackneyed rhetoric of hope and change were sold - and bought - with alacrity. Bush was able to secure the win thanks in some part to a carefully-chosen running mate that injected his ticket with energy and easy charm, two qualities that shouldn't be underestimated in a political race. While Quayle was painted as a stupid, Indiana simpleton who dared to put family values back on the national agenda, Romney will undoubtedly be labeled an elitist rich kid and religious fanatic whose entrepreneurial success will mean permanent destitution for the working class.

Regardless of those tactics, if John McCain hopes to reach the voters he has missed until now in the general election, the former Governor of Massachusetts could be just the guy to get the job done, and maybe even with the kind of numbers seen in 1988. Forward- and backward-thinking Republicans should resist the temptation to push for safer choices for VP, and to all those who want a shot at it, McCain would be wise to say, "You, sir, are no Mitt Romney."

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Huck Huckabee?

("Sounds like a bubble in a bathtub," W.C. Fields.)

I thought McCain owed Huckabee for drawing off the christian fundamentalists from Romney and clearing the field for McCain's victory.

Doesn't McCain need Huckabee to cement the fundamentalist vote?

Posted by: rb-fredom-for-all | August 28, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,
Rice has not only played hardball with the boys, she has been there and done that along side the military.

Few remember that there is a war going on, and a leader will have to be able to comman troops and balance our World posistion.

Many of us are so done with the whole Obama thing , he can try a parachute from the space station as the next stunt, but without a shred of foundry he can't pull my attention away from where I am moving to with my vote. Press time now is wasted on Obama, becuase many minds are closed on the issue.

If Rice were to go on the ticket with Mc Cain, my quest is ended, I will just wait around for election day.

Nothing the Obama ticket can spout in the press will rattle the women switching their vote due to Rice.

Powell is the only unshakeable element Mc cain could ticket out with and have a huge following for his wise choice.

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

So graduating near the bottom of your undergrad class is OK, but graduating near the bottom of your grad school class disqualifies you from office? Just trying to understand the logic here.
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Hey Diogenes-first of all McCain didn't go to law school

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 4:00 PM

Posted by: Diogenes | August 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone was caught flat footed by the Georgia crisis. The "crisis" didn't develop organically from the fundamentals of the situation. Russia's action didn't follow logically or emotionally from the Georgia situation."

You're right AsperGirl - it's not like Georgia shelled South Ossetia after being warned by the United States in no uncertain terms to mind its p's and q's with Russia.

If you're going to spout nonsense, at least read the news first.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

DL- YOU STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT-PERIOD. MITT ROMNEY IS A WELL REGARDED FORMER GOV. OF MASS. -WHICH IS EXTRAORDINARY IN AND OF ITSELF, GIVEN THAT HE IS A MORMON AND A REPUBLICAN IN AN ALMOST COMPLETELY DEM. CATHOLIC STATE. REALLY, THAT'S ALL ONE NEEDS TO SAY ABOUT ROMNEY'S SUCCESS AS A GOVERNOR RIGHT THERE!

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

>> 2008 wrote: (a blast of psycho incoherent babble)

I'm not going to argue with you about this lawsuit. You should go read the docs. I believe we argued this earlier.

The Washington Times has now picked up the story, right on schedule.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/28/lawsuit-questions-obamas-eligibility-for-office/

And According to one paper in PA, the U.S. attorney's office is having the U.S. Federal Election Commission review the suit.

"The civil suit filed by Berg will be reviewed by the U.S. Federal
Election Commission, according to Patty Hartman, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania."

(http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20089295&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6)

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

OOOOH! GOSH, KREUZ, I'M SO SORRY YOURS AND OTHERS DELICATE LITTLE FEELINGS ARE HURT-I UNDERSTAND WHY! (smile)

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

ARRABBIATO

I do apologize for my typing skills.

and I may be an a$$ but I can tell you I am not dumb...

at least on this issue.

I had personal interaction with Romney when he was in Massachusetts... I even had a pretty good relationship with Weld.

Romney left a hand basket to hell of problems in Massachusetts...and his choices were all not for the state...they were all for the Presidency.

The healthcare issues...the infrastructure issues... the tax increases dressed as "fees" in Massachusetts the fabrication of claims to fiscal reponsibility..

and if he tries to tell you that's because of the "liberals" that's bologne. He is trying to enhance his right wing image by saying it's him against Massachusetts...go look at tpae of his ki$$a$$ to those liberals.

Stitch it together and you have a good picture of a guy who should never be in the white house.

Posted by: dl | August 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain will pick billionaire NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg for his VP because Bloomberg is to be installed by international bankers and financiers to continue big profit$$$ from privatizing US government's programs, infrastructure and jobs.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama == hypocrit, charlatan, fraud, fake, swindler, pretender, con artist, sham, quack, imposter, counterfeit, hoaxer, phony....

Posted by: Libs speak truth | August 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

>>kreuz_missile wrote: "Um, North Korea signaled yesterday that they were going to renew their nuke program, and she was caught completely flat footed by the Georgia crisis. Want to try again?"

Everyone was caught flat footed by the Georgia crisis. The "crisis" didn't develop organically from the fundamentals of the situation. Russia's action didn't follow logically or emotionally from the Georgia situation.

Russia is making strategic plays in playing a larger game. The Georgia incursion is a calculated move in that game. The situation is more serious than it appears on the surface.

There was no way to anticipate Russia's actions short of behavior modeling and simulation in highly fanciful scenarios.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

If McCain doesn't make a bold, bold (diversity) pick and a very talented one, that means they have some other way of beating Obama. Maybe disqualifying him based on lack of natural born citizenship or other "October surprise".

Posted by: AsperGirl
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Maybe you can latch your fat a$$ onto the lame lawsuit filed by this 'tard. I do like the references the article makes to idiots like you in it:

"If you believe Philip Berg, Barack Obama isn't a U.S. citizen.

Last Thursday, Berg -- a Philadelphia attorney who's something of a notorious presence within that city's legal community -- filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court of Eastern Pennsylvania demanding that an injunction be issued against the official nomination of Obama. The suit charges that the Illinois senator is constitutionally ineligible to become president on the grounds that he has yet to produce a valid U.S. birth certificate -- Berg claiming that the current one on file from Hawaii is a forgery, proven so by "three forensic experts" -- and that he maintains an unresolved dual-citizenship and owes allegiances to both Kenya and Indonesia, where his father was born and where he lived as a child, respectively. Berg says that he has access to copies of Obama's Jakartan school records which show the candidate registered under the surname of his mother's 2nd husband, Lolo Soetoro, and listed as an Indonesian citizen; as if to hedge his bet, he insists that even if Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is indeed shown to be authentic, the school registry should be enough to keep the candidate out of the White House.

If these allegations sound familiar, they should; in one form or another, each of them has been bandied about the internet or bullhorned across conservative radio for months now in an ongoing effort to paint Barack Obama as "different."

Oh yeah, and they're all basically bullsh*t.

A couple of weeks back, the Annenberg Political Fact Check -- an organization whose credentials are pretty much bulletproof -- set out to settle once and for all the debate over Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate. The word "debate" deserves no small amount of qualification because, in reality, there never was a legitimate claim to be made that the document was phony -- simply a lot of fantastical conspiracy theorist innuendo, perpetuated and amplified at lightning speed by a million far-right dolts with computers and delusions of Sherlock Holmesian cleverness. Annenberg dispatched staffers to examine the birth certificate and ruled, to the surprise of no one with a modicum of common sense and two brain cells to rub together, that it's 100% legit; Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. As for the claim that Obama holds a dual citizenship or is in any other way beholden to a foreign country -- that was exposed as nonsense months ago."

Posted by: 2008 | August 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman sucked every shred of glam from the Gore campaign. Gore looked like he was hauling around his grandmother in drag, with Lieberman as his VP.

There are a lot of reasons why Lieberman is a great senior senator and there are pros. But when someone is that self-effacing and homely, he can't be on a national ticket against Obama.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

There are some, just now, incoming reports that the Romney family has been placed under vastly increased Secret Service protection.
If it's really Romney, we're goning to have a field day with the Mormon jokes and the sudden turn around by the "christian" flakes that haunt this board. Now, I need to go find a good Thesaurus... Let's see hypocrit, charlatan, fraud, fake, swindler, pretender, con artist, sham, quack, imposter, counterfeit, hoaxer, phony.... We will need al of these words and more becasue words cannot even begin to describe the conortions the "God Makers" fans are going to have to go through for this one. I can see it now, a McCain nutball knock's on Average Joe's door "Got any daughters..."

Posted by: Observer | August 28, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"Agreed! Condoleezza Rice is awesome. After the neocons were ousted in 2006, she has taken the lead in foreign policy (Bush isn't). We've had North Korea agreeing to dismantle its nuclear program, and other progress. She's also a Russian expert and very able to deal with what is happening now"

Um, North Korea signaled yesterday that they were going to renew their nuke program, and she was caught completely flat footed by the Georgia crisis. Want to try again?

And "Obama has a mommy problem?" Who's the sexist one here?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0827/p99s01-duts.html

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I am still and will always be - LOUD and DUMB

Posted by: sphinctator2 | August 28, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

DL-YOU'RE A REAL TRUEBLUE DUMB-A SS-WHO DOESN'T HAVE ONE IDEA IN HELL WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU STILL CAN MANAGE TO TYPE WORDS, AND ARE ALLOWED TO POST.

Posted by: ARRABBIATO
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The irony...

Posted by: chilly | August 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Like it matters who the old fart picks. He's dead man walking and too senile to realize it.

Posted by: pj451 | August 28, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"DL-YOU'RE A REAL TRUEBLUE DUMB-A SS-WHO DOESN'T HAVE ONE IDEA IN HELL WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU STILL CAN MANAGE TO TYPE WORDS, AND ARE ALLOWED TO POST"

At least dl knows how to type using some lower case letters, and doesn't rely on profanity...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

>>dotty wrote:
Rice is in a job that has had to clean up after W.
She might not have understood the job her first quarter, but the girl gets who, what, when, where, and why, now.
Rice is the perfect choice to lead. As a woman, she also pulls from those disgusted that Dems couldn't pass a power torch to a woman.
Those same knowledgeable assets were Hillary's because of Bill. Rice aces Hillary.
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Agreed! Condoleezza Rice is awesome. After the neocons were ousted in 2006, she has taken the lead in foreign policy (Bush isn't). We've had North Korea agreeing to dismantle its nuclear program, and other progress. She's also a Russian expert and very able to deal with what is happening now.

She's another woman who is so qualified and extraordinary she blows Obama away. Obama won't know how to deal with her and will get disturbed, just like he was disturbed over Clinton. Obama has a problem with mommy figures, IMO.

Except the electorate is more sexist than it is racist, as all the polls, voter research and Clinton bashing showed during the primary season. More voters said they were ready for a black president than a female president, for example.

It would be very disappointing if the VP pick were another old white man. There is no one as qualified as either of the Clintons, so picking one of the list above gets McCain a guy with strengths but gaps and weaknesses. Doesn't seem to be compelling enough of a list to rule out him picking a diversity candidate.

McCain has to pick someone who can show leadership this Fall in energy or economy or "next president if I die" VP.

Plus, IMO McCain needs to make a very, VERY bold pick, not one of the 4 listed above. Also someone with extraordinary talent and credentials in an important area of concern this year.

This is if he wants to beat Obama in a flat-out race.

If McCain doesn't make a bold, bold (diversity) pick and a very talented one, that means they have some other way of beating Obama. Maybe disqualifying him based on lack of natural born citizenship or other "October surprise".

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota media outlets are reporting that Pawlenty has cancelled the day's remaining media appearances.

Posted by: bsimon | August 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

RE: "Does McSame have to pick a VP? Can the ballot just read "TBD" or "Player to be named later"?"

According to Texas the President and VP must be named and submitted 70 days before the election.
Dems missed the dealine there, and now Republicans stretch that same law.
Today politics reeks of "Laws we don't need no stinking laws"

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Kreuz, I DO have my facts right, but that's the problem for you!"

No, actually. Which is why you completely ignored my post. Biden's actions have in fact been completely in line with the poisition he's taken for several years now. He's had a close working relationship with Saakshvili for several years now, and as chair of the Foreign Relations committee he was in position to travel there to meet with our ally as part of the duties of the office for investigative purposes, while not stepping on official foreign policy conducted through the State Department and the White house (which is why it was so low vis - other than political reporters commenting on it for VP speculation). This is in polar opposite to how McCain has handled the issue, all show and sabre rattling, no substance.

The blogger you quote has too many problems with his interpretations to name. For one thing, the so-called Dukakis-Bentsen effect wasn't a problem for Bush-Cheney, or for JFK-Johnson. Obama's lack of worldly wisdom? Republicans have been using his "worldly wisom" as a point of attack for weeks, implying he's either un-American or a "citizen of the world" vice the US, and using his upbringing in Jakarta against him. The whole blog is empty drivel no matter the guys affiliation or perspective, not someone I'd be using as a source.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

That's pretty funny. Considering that three are pro-choice. Christine Todd Whitman, Lieberman and Ridge, which leaves Romney and his magic underware and several more houses. Pawlenty is fine if you don't mind all the crap the GOP has said about Obama having no experience, though Pawlenty has plenty of seeing bridges fall down.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Because the media is so fascinated with the Clintons, little attention has been paid to the fact that McCain is still shoring up his support among the Republican base -- especially evangelical conservatives. Though you wouldn't know it from the media, the Republicans are far more ambiguous about their nominee than the Demcorats are.

That said, Chrstine Whitman, for all she could bring to the ticket, would spell lots of trouble for McCain because, like Lieberman and Ridge and like Romney was up to four years ago, is essentially pro-choice and would cause the great angst at the RNC. That seems to leave Pawlenty as the default choice -- and maybe the Dan Quayle of the early 21st century.

I remain baffled that neither Mike Huckabee or Kay Bailey Hutchison are getting much, if any, buzz. Unlike the several named above, they are fully acceptable to the Republican base but are also just enough out of the box that they could woo independents and maybe some of the PUMA crowd. So, let's hope McCain follows the CW to give the Dems yet one more advantage this year.

Posted by: Scott C. | August 28, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty or Christine Todd Whitman.

Meg took Ebay from the top of the heap right down the tubes before she cashed in her stock and bailed.

Posted by: Rick W | August 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

dl wrote:


not only would romeny be the silver spoon ticket...

wait til they get a load of what really happened with Massachusetts...

nothing like using the mismanagement of a state for your presidential ambitions for a quick stint...

where he did the Bush Cheney thing...screw it up royally and then get out of there before the sh!t hits the fan.

DL-YOU'RE A REAL TRUEBLUE DUMB-A SS-WHO DOESN'T HAVE ONE IDEA IN HELL WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU STILL CAN MANAGE TO TYPE WORDS, AND ARE ALLOWED TO POST.

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

dl wrote:


not only would romeny be the silver spoon ticket...

wait til they get a load of what really happened with Massachusetts...

nothing like using the mismanagement of a state for your presidential ambitions for a quick stint...

where he did the Bush Cheney thing...screw it up royally and then get out of there before the sh!t hits the fan.

DL-YOU'RE A REAL TRUEBLUE DUMB-A SS-WHO DOESN'T HAVE ONE IDEA IN HELL WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU STILL CAN MANAGE TO TYPE WORDS, AND ARE ALLOWED TO POST

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Just in case keep this Handy if he picks Romney


Theme song lyrics

"Together" by Bob Wirth and Rik Howard

Here we are, face to face
A couple of Silver Spoons.
Hopin’ to find, we’re two of a kind
Making a go, making it grow.

Together, we’re going to find our way.
Together, taking the time each day.
To learn all about those things you just can’t buy.

Two Silver spoons together.
You and I together (We’re going to find our way)
You and I together (We’re going to find our way)
You and I together.

Posted by: dl | August 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Rice would only remind voters of W."

Not at all.
Rice is in a job that has had to clean up after W.
She might not have understood the job her first quarter, but the girl gets who, what, when, where, and why, now.

Rice is the perfect choice to lead. As a woman, she also pulls from those disgusted that Dems couldn't pass a power torch to a woman.
Those same knowledgeable assets were Hillary's because of Bill. Rice aces Hillary.

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kreuz, I DO have my facts right, but that's the problem for you! And as far as that blogger-he is officially a reporter/blogger for BBC, on the BBC website-go over to the BBC website and see for yourself! He's writing now about the machine like Obama campaign! Sheesh!

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

not only would romeny be the silver spoon ticket...

wait til they get a load of what really happened with Massachusetts...

nothing like using the mismanagement of a state for your presidential ambitions for a quick stint...

where he did the Bush Cheney thing...screw it up royally and then get out of there before the sh!t hits the fan.

Posted by: dl | August 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Chris, check this with your sources and experts in Denver - Does McSame have to pick a VP? Can the ballot just read "TBD" or "Player to be named later"?

This artificial deadline will hurt McSame. The pickings are so slim for the GOP that it is genuinely considering a Democrat for the number two slot. Why not wait until the middle of October, and see what happens between now and then?

Posted by: bondjedi | August 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Here you go, just out from US News and World Report-the money is on Romney of course, he's the only logical choice:

GOP Focus for McCain Veep On Romney, Then Lieberman and Pawlenty
August 28, 2008 04:04 PM ET | Paul Bedard | Permanent Link


Close advisers to Sen. John McCain continue to drop hints today that the top three running mate possibilities are former foe Mitt Romney, Senate pal Joe Lieberman, and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty. However, they emphasize that only the closest McCain aides know the truth and that the speculation is based on who would bring more to the ticket—and hurt it the least. "I say it's 75 percent Mitt and 25 percent 'Joementum,'" says a former top McCain aide who still has the ear of the campaign. Another ally pointed to Pawlenty because he has close ties to conservatives, is from a state that McCain needs to win but is too close in the polls to Sen. Barack Obama, and represents a younger fresh face.

One signal that Romney topped the list was a tip to Whispers that U.S. Secret Service officials were visiting Romney's family members, presumably to conduct a security sweep and pick them up for a potential trip to Ohio where McCain plans to formally announce his pick.

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

okay let's try this

"President Whitman" is now going to be our leader in the world...

ignore that she has never had a day working with legislation and has no idea about diplomacy...foreign relations...social economic policy...

and we don't know hers...

again is it panic or just a simple "shiver"?

Posted by: dl | August 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"BBC HAS GOT THIS ONE JUST RIGHT-BIDEN'S IMPULSIVENESS BY JUMPING OVER THERE THE MINUTE THAT KOOKY SHASHKAVILI GAVE HIM A CALL-IS NOT A GOOD SIGN!"

Quoting a British blogger as your source (note: not the BBC itself), nice. Couple of problems...

1. McCain did go off half cocked at first, seeming to forget that Bush was still the President of the US and responsible for conducting foreign policy. You forget McCain's "We are all Georgian's Now" moment? He put himself out there so far that he had to admit we had no military recourse the next day and that other than a UNSC resolution (that Russia would obviously veto) we had no real recourse. It was all sabre rattling to score points for the campaign, blind to the real world implications of his actions. That's not a sign of strength, that's pure weakness.

2. Biden, before being named the VP nominess, going over there was presumptuous on his part, but McCain announcing he was sending Lieberman and Graham over there as his envoys wasn't (not to mention his wife who was over there this week)? Gimme a break.

At least get your facts straight, if not your talking points.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

just one thought...

think of this

"President Pawlenty"

so what is that you feel...would you call it panic or just a simple shiver?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I'd go with Christine Whitman. Four years down the road [assuming McCain wins] the Republicans need soneone to effectively refute a Hillary re-run as McCain is unlikely to run again. It would really divide the women voters.

Posted by: Richard | August 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman has a wider stance than T-Paw.

But T-paw is more fun in the minneapolis mens room(s).

All we GOP neocon wierdos care about is hot man-on-man action anyway.

So bring on the Jeff Gunkerts and let's keep those visitation logs secret!

Posted by: Larry Craig | August 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I almost feel sorry for McCain, what a lame short list - I guess he will go with Rommney. The G.I. John Doll and the Ken Doll - yeesh...


ARRABBIATO, could you ease up on the caps? It doesn't make your "argument" any more compelling.

Posted by: 2008 | August 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD-If he does well, Mitt Romney could be President in 4 years-I view McCain as a one-termer.

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"And I would bet a hundred dollars that its Romney.

Posted by: DDAWD "


two words that make this one put brakes on...
Warren Jeffs

Obama's affiliations and ties offended me too.

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

My hair is real.

Posted by: Edwards | August 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama dyes his to fool us, Biden plants his. What is it with libs and their hair?

Posted by: the hair club
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God, you're dumb...

Posted by: hair club gets his hair from down there.. | August 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

And I would bet a hundred dollars that its Romney.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

can anyone really see Pawlenty stepping in to be President if something unfortunately happened to this rather old gentleman?

Pawlenty?

oy.

Posted by: dl
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LOL!! just a vision of a bumper sticker: McCain/Pawlenty '08 - Oy!

Posted by: 2008 | August 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"Rice would only remind voters of W."

Don't you think Ridge would as well? When I hear that name, I think DHS.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 28, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU
WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

Posted by: scrivener | August 28, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

KREUZ-THIS IS FOR YOU, FROM THE BBC'S (BRITISH BROADCASTING COMPANY) JUSTIN WEBB, WHO'S BLOGGING THE US ELECTIONS FOR THE BBC.

JOE BIDEN

Would he have made this choice a year ago? Six months? Even a few weeks? Joe Biden is Vladimir Putin's contribution to American politics - he is a necessary antidote to the Obama lack of worldly wisdom, which before Georgia was a bit academic to most Americans or amorphous and unfocused as an issue (perhaps they could take a punt, roll the dice as Bill C helpfully put it) but post-Georgia is back at the top of the pile of concerns.

McCain did well on Russia - he avoided frightening threats but managed to seem tough and aware. He took the 3AM call. Obama needs a pal who can do the same. But something of the Obama appeal has been diminished by the choice - it is going to be very difficult to rail against Washington insiders with one at his right hand. There is also - if Biden performs well - the Dukakis Lloyd Bensen issue, which is, to put it delicately, Why is it this way round: why isn't the able, experienced, reassuring guy the one at the top of the ticket?


BBC HAS GOT THIS ONE JUST RIGHT-BIDEN'S IMPULSIVENESS BY JUMPING OVER THERE THE MINUTE THAT KOOKY SHASHKAVILI GAVE HIM A CALL-IS NOT A GOOD SIGN!

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Lieberman. Foreign policy hawk with impeccable neo-con credentials. McCain used Ridge to catch social conservative bullets of the main salvo at domestic liberalism from the right, and now that this force has largely spent itself, Lieberman's co-candidacy will be greeted by nothing more negative than passing moans as McCain seeks Independent votes.

Risky, yeah, but McCain is a gambler, part of his maverick persona.

Posted by: Buck TX Ind | August 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Veep follicle contest - Hairplugs v. the Mullet.

Posted by: RollaMO | August 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

to be honest

who really cares anyway.

there's no good choices on that side for him.

Posted by: dl | August 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

can anyone really see Pawlenty stepping in to be President if something unfortunately happened to this rather old gentleman?

Pawlenty?

oy.

Posted by: dl | August 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Moreover, McCain has shown REAL judgment, not fake judgment, on foreign affairs-SOMETHING BIDEN HAS YET TO SHOW"

"Russia is clearly trying to provoke the Georgians into an over-reaction that will tarnish Georgia's image in the West. To its great credit, Tbilisi has so far chosen the path of restraint and negotiation, as evidenced by Mr. Saakashvili's magnanimous diplomatic initiative.

But Georgia cannot win this standoff alone. A peaceful solution will require U.S. leadership, and engagement by the rest of NATO. Those NATO members who thought they could appease Moscow by denying Georgia a MAP have already learned a hard lesson. Days after the summit ended, the Russian government took further steps to pry the two breakaway regions from Georgia.

It is time for Europe to get off the fence. The European states must engage Moscow and make clear that its actions in Georgia are unacceptable and inconsistent with the assumption that several European governments made in blocking MAP for Georgia.

A peaceful solution to the crisis is possible if we act now. Washington must lead an intensive international diplomatic counteroffensive against Russia's efforts to destabilize Georgia and the region. The process should start by internationalizing the negotiations and peacekeeping missions in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which until now have been dominated by Moscow."

Sens Joseph Biden and Richard Luger say STAND UP FOR GEORGIA - APRIL 27, 2008

http://georgia.usembassy.gov/pr-04272008.html

How's that for judgment?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"P.S. THAT'S ALL REAL HAIR ON ROMNEY'S HEAD"

goes well with McCain's wispy white deathbed comb over.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Seems like none of McCain's options are particularly good. Pawlenty is certainly the 'safe" choice in the sense of being least likely to offend the base. But in a year when the winds are blowing Democratic, is the safe choice the smart choice? I don't see him as adding any real strength to the ticket. Of the four mentioned, Ridge is the best choice, bringing at least some experience and credibility and he has the fewest negatives. The base will get over his being pro-choice - they will never get over Lieberman being a Democrat and a liberal one at that. Finally, as you point out, McCain just doesn't like Romney.

Posted by: bill | August 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

bsimon: it seems clear that McCain knows that this is not a good year for Republicans and McCai has absolutey nothing to lose picking either Whitman or Ridge.Its like going to Vegas knowing you are already down $10,000, down to your last $1,000 and betting it all on Red. Playing it safe at this point makes no political sense at all. It just means his losing 51%-49% with Pawlenty rather than taking a gamble and winning in a squeaker or see his base collapse and lose by 10% points. What difference would that make.
Pawlenty is the Dan Quayle of 2008. I anythig picking somene 25 years younger would emphasize the age issue for McCain. Just don't see how he avoids picking a moderate woman and Whitman seems to be the only R around to fill that void. Not selecting HC opened that door wide open. Rice would only remind voters of W.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S THE MATE: MCCAIN HAS DECIDED... DEVELOPING...
PERSON NOTIFIED TODAY...
SOURCE: NAME MAY LEAK AT 6 PM ET... WITH SOME SORT OF CONFIRMATION AT 8 PM... DEVELOPING...
NEWS HAVOC...
PAWLENTY CANCELS NUMEROUS PUBLIC APPEARANCES...

Posted by: drudge | August 28, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

BRIEFLY, MITT ROMNEY WITH HIS BRILLIANT RECORD, SO LIKE BILL CLINTON IN SOME WAYS BUT OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT IN OTHERS, CAN RUN RINGS AROUND JOE BIDEN-BIDEN CANNOT EVEN STAND IN HIS SHADOW, HE'S GOT THAT MANY LIABILITIES-LET'S NOT FORGET BIDEN'S PENCHANT FOR MAKING CURIOUSLY RACIAL REMARKS LIKE OBAMA "CLEAN, ARTICULATE" AFRICAN AMERICAN AND "YOU CAN'T GO INTO A DUNKIN DONUTS WITHOUT AN INDIAN ACCENT"

SHEESH! ONE MORE OF THOSE AND BIDEN IS TOAST-THAT'S JUST ONE MORE REASON NOT TO VOTE A TICKET OF LIAR PLAGIARISTS-BOTH OF THEM-OBAMA AND BIDEN-BIG FAT ZEROS!

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm still pulling for the Daddy Yankee pick.

McCain Yankee.

I'd go for that.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually hairclub-if the no experience Obama's hair is showing more grey-trust me, THAT'S A SUBTLE, BUT DELIBERATE MOVE TO SHOW THAT HE HAS AGE, HE HAS EXPERIENCE -WHERE AMERICA KNOWS HE'S GOT NO EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER--HE'S DONE NOTHING WITH HIS HARVARD LAW DEGREE-ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. HIS GREY HAIR LOOK IS CALCULATED, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING IN THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN-DOWN TO THE LAST GREY HAIR

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I really want him to pick Herman Cain. I think that would be an incredible pick.

And I'd love to vote for a McCain/Cain ticket....

Posted by: atlmom | August 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain Romney
"the Trust Fund Baby Ticket"

at their convention they will play the them to "Silver Spoons" with Ricky (Rick) Schroeder and Kfed coming up from an elevator in the floor of the stage to do a rap during the bridge of the song.

"here we are face to face..."

The stage to be green using recycled papered with mortgage payments, student loan applications, medicare fillings, school applications, applications for a job to get them through school, tax forms

you know all things that these two have never filled out or had to worry about because people around them took care of it.

Mccain Pawlenty

"The Bridge to Tax Cuts Ticket"

During the practice for the debates they lead with calling the Dems tax hiking liberals and pontificate on their abilities to cut taxes (mostly on the wealthy but...whose counting...they give them to some people under 5 mil too)

and after a long fight about what length Pawlenty's hair should be at and whether Pawlenty's favorite band "Poison" can play or ABBa (John mcCain doesn't catch on that they aren't really around anymore...

they miss the debate anyway because a bridge collapsed on the way into the Twin Cities and people have fallen into a swollen river that had some levees collapse.

but Pawlenty still cut taxes...doesn't matter where they came from.


Mccain Lieberman

"The Lonely Ticket"

Okay if he picks Lieberman...okay everybody hates him besides three families in Boca, NARAL and some lobbyists in CT.

and chances are if he asked Al gore probably said ..."yeah the better to go with the single faced frog or the Mayor Mccheese"

Mccain Ridge

"The 2 Vets with a side order National bankruptcy - Hold the Right Wing" Ticket

nuff said

Mccain does not have a good choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's youthful image might have helped propel him to the Democratic presidential nomination, but as he becomes his party's standard bearer in the November general election, the Illinois senator's closely shorn hair appears to be increasingly grey. (Snip) On the campaign trail in recent weeks, Obama has been telling supporters that the new hue is attributable to the rigours of spending long months campaigning across the country – and overseas, too.

Obama dyes his to fool us, Biden plants his. What is it with libs and their hair?

Posted by: the hair club | August 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what Pawlenty brings to the ticket other than being a governor. I don't think he's a lightweight, but he's not ready for prime time either. He gets blamed for the bridge collapse, because he put his lieutenant governor, Carol Molnau, in charge of transportation and wouldn't remove her even after the collapse. The state legislature had to legislate her out of that extra job. She's so poorly regarded that Minnesotans won't want Pawlenty to leave no matter how they feel about him.
A plus for Pawlenty is he's an enthusiast for renewable energy.

McCain should pick Portman, John Kasich or Mark Sanford. I would love Whitman, but she'd hurt him with the base as much as she'd help him with women and moderates.

Posted by: Eric | August 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what about Rick Cantor? That's the ticket -- a congressman from downstate Virginia who can really step into the Presidency at a moment's notice.

Posted by: Stewie | August 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

SVRS-hadn't thought of that, but quite possible.

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

And no, MCCAIN DOESN'T NEED A FEMALE ON THE TICKET-BECAUSE YOU SEE, YOU NEED TO START LOOKING AT THOSE PICTURES OF ROMNEY AT THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION-THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T NEED A FEMALE ON THE TICKET-THEY ALL FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM!

P.S. THAT'S ALL REAL HAIR ON ROMNEY'S HEAD TOO-NO HAIRPLUG CITY, BROWN MAKEUP SMEARED ALL OVER HIS FACE TO LOOK YOUNGER JOE BIDEN LOOK NECESSARY!

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

He needs to pick David Addington.
Addington is the current Chief of Staff to V.P. Cheney and would be a great addition to the ticket - a firm conservative and someone who understands that in time of war, the President needs unprecedented powers of action.

Posted by: Nick | August 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE let it be T-Paw. What a wonderful choice! Just the kind of experienced, worldly, ready-to-step-in-as-President-on-a-moment's-notice person we need right now with an older-than-dirt (his words) cancer surviving candidate. And boy will T-Paw, the midwestern down-home type, be able to mop the floor with the witty, experienced Joe Biden at the debates! We NEED someone like T-Paw.

Posted by: Larry | August 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Romney = VP
Lieberman = SecState

Posted by: SVRS | August 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey Diogenes-first of all McCain didn't go to law school-second of all, to cover it up Joe Biden a first class liar, as we are just now finding out with his voting interests aligned with his sons' business interests-INFLATED HIS RESUME SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T SEE WHAT A REAL DUMB A SS HE REALLY IS.

The fact that McCain graduated near the bottom of the Naval Academy bothers me not one whit-HE'S NEVER LIED ABOUT IT, AND HE SURE AS HELL HASN'T BEEN CAUGHT REPEATEDLY PLAGIARIZING-THAT'S A REAL MORAL FAULT-AND THAT'S YOUR VP CANDIDATE.

Moreover, McCain has shown REAL judgment, not fake judgment, on foreign affairs-SOMETHING BIDEN HAS YET TO SHOW-REMEMBER HE WAS ALL GUNG HO ABOUT WAR WITH IRAQ, AMONG MANY OF HIS OTHER WRONG POSITIONS, BUT AGAIN, BIDEN IS ALWAYS TRYING REAL HARD TO SHOW PEOPLE HOW "INTELLIGENT' HE IS! HA HA HA! LIARS AND PLAGIARISTS GOT NO ROOM TO TALK! JOE BIDEN STINKS OF CORPORATE LOBBYIST INTERESTS-STINKS!

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty is the only guy on the list that doesn't alienate anyone. McCain can't afford to alienate anyone in the base or potential swing voters. The Fix is correct to label Pawlenty as the most likely pick.

Posted by: bsimon | August 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse


re:"McCain needs the Hillary votes to win. He needs:

a wow pick

preferably a woman...."

I read this far and thought it would blow socks off for eveyone, including Hillary
( all are grimacing that she gave in)
if Laura Bush hit the ticket.

How much do you think W really rules Laura?
Ha.

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Why?

Although I don't agree with a word you said, I love your creativity. Are you sure you're not an elitist with a college degree like the rest of them dems?

Posted by: B | August 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"Go do your homework before labeling Mitt Romney a former well regarded Mormon Republican Gov. of the state of Mass. a Dem. Catholic stronghold, as a "Republican like Bush" SHEESH!"

The key word there- FORMER. Like McCain, everything changed the moment he decided to run for President.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Not very many strong choices for McCain.
I think his strongest choice is Fiorina. I'm voting Obama, but I saw her on MTP, and was afraid.

I think it is interesting he wants to cut into Obama's night by "leaking" the VP choice tonight. I don't think anyone cares about McCain;s VP that much, but good luck with that.
From ShopLily

Posted by: ShopLily | August 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Presumably this disqualifies anyone who graduated fifth from the bottom from the Naval Academy.
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Biden ... GRADUATED FOURTH FROM THE BOTTOM OF HIS THIRD TIER LAW SCHOOL -UNLIKE ROMNEY, WHO GRADUATED WITH HONORS FROM HARVARD LAW.

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 2:21 PM

Posted by: diogenes | August 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Rob Portman as a name out of the blue.

Posted by: Buck Worthy | August 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Come on , you didn't really think that Mantra will hold up long regarding Mc Cain."
I was proud to vote with President Bush 95% of the time...No one has supported President Bush on Iraq more than I have"

Right, that line has no staying power at all...

"He is so left the Republicans regurgitated him the day after the numbers were in."

So far left on what exactly? Taxes (same position as Bush)? Abortion (same as Bush)? Immigration (same as Bush)? Foreign policy (Bush on steroids)? Maybe campaign finace once upon a time, but his Presidential campaign shows he no longer supports that position either...

"Powell, if you recall, was duped by Cheney,"

There's a great selling point....

"and Rice is a respected asset to this Country regardless of her Party affiliations."

She will go down as the worst NSA in history (Who could have imagined a plane could be used as a weapon? Gee, besides it being your job, it was predicted by numerous sources back as far as 1996, and you yourself had to modify plans for the G8 several months before 9-11 due to the threat of someone trying to crash a plane into the event), and despite her PhD being in Russia she was caught totally flat footed by Russia's recent actions. Other than being an accomplished black woman, she has no other benefit (and that's ignoring the fact she, too, is pro choice).

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

He could pick Michael Phelps - the anti-Kennedy.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

hey Chris, where's my T-shirt from the Obama veep-stakes?

Posted by: lou | August 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Kreuz-I'm afraid you're WAAAAY off base, particularly on Romney! Go do your homework before labeling Mitt Romney a former well regarded Mormon Republican Gov. of the state of Mass. a Dem. Catholic stronghold, as a "Republican like Bush" SHEESH!

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If he picks Elmer Fudd, the symetry with the Dems would be astonishing.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

glad someone mentioned that Powell supports Obama and i doubt that Rice would accept a VP offer... she's way to smart to get caught up with that bunch of moronic losers. the only ones that would take the offer are already pathetic pieces of history. face it Mccain/? are hopelessly outclassed!

Posted by: yuk | August 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty = Noun, verb, mullet

Romney = Noun, verb, pressed Levis, downsize, outsource

Lieberman = Noun, verb, Blame Iran

If McNounVerbPOW wants to beat Obama, he needs to pick Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain needs the Hillary votes to win. He needs:

a wow pick

preferably a woman

a name that appeals to the base

someone who doesn't make him look old

someone with the ame kind og experience as Hillary.

It's obvious.

The answer is...

Nancy Reagan

Posted by: anonymouse | August 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Here in Minneapolis, I would venture that most of us think T-Paw (oh please) is a lightweight-neither very bright nor inquisitive. Talk about not ready to lead!

Posted by: mngirl | August 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"Have read other sentiments here like that about Pawlenty. Curious what the fixation with him is. Seems like he is a Dan Quayle rerun."

It seems to just be by default. He checks the standard boxes (potential swing state, satisfies the base, etc.) and doesn't really piss anyone off, but I think he's only #1 because everyone else being seriously considered has so many more negatives.

Lieberman? He's a Benedict Arnold who is still a liberal on social issues. Like most traitors, the other side will praise them as a means to undercut the opposition, but will not trust them with anything that could come back to hurt them.

Romney? The money is drawback #1, and the negativity between them in the primary is #2, and that's before the Mormon issue and the Christian Right. He's too much the poster child of Bush conservatism, too cookie-cutter Republican, and that won't help them this year.

Ridge? Pro chice will sink him with Republicans, Department of Homeland Security and the color coded system will sink him with moderates who might otherwise be inclined to support him (McCain/Ridge econoomic plan has been elevated to threat level Orange today - heightened risk of economic collapse in the immediate future).

The Republican bench is extremely weak right now - everyone who would be considered normally is too closely tied to Bush right now that they're toxic. Pawlenty seems to be all that is left. Speaks volumes right there.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

WHY I AM VOTING DEMOCRAT
I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.
I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.
I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to hide from us over there, when they come over here I don't want to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.
I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.
Makes ya wonder why anyone would EVER vote Republican, now doesn't it?

Posted by: why? | August 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty is the man. An overlooked aspect of VP selecction is that the VP nominee is the annoited succesor.
It probably made a difference for the Democrats: Biden will likely be too old to run in 2016, making room for Hillary to do so. This may well have clinched a genuine reconciliation with the Clintons.
On this issue Pawlenty, never Romney, would make sense for McCain.
For different reasons that the Democratos, McCain´s age and long odds, it might also matter for the Republican selection this time around.

Posted by: lmadrazo | August 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The people who call the shots in the Republican Party realisticly regard McCain's chances as remote; and were lightning to strike and McCain get elected, his chances of serving a second term are even more remote. Therefore, the Veep selection question has always been "which one do you set up for a run in 2012?" The answer has always been Romney. The problem is in the vetting. Being unable to answer the question of 'how many houses do you own' is vexing but excusable; being unable to answer the question of 'how many half-cousins in Mexico did your polygamous Grandfather leave you' is a bit more problematic.

Posted by: Stonecreek | August 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I've long been expecting Romney to be McCain's man, but now I think otherwise. Mac and the Mittster detest each other personally, and with Mac putting such store by personal chemistry, I just don't think that's a match made in heaven (Mormon or otherwise). Besides, Romney will be a huge target for Democratic attacks on these two multi-millionaire economic royalists; can't you imagine the Democratic ads replaying Huckabee's crack about Romney reminding workers of the guy who fired them? And finally, there's too much anti-Mormon prejudice among evangelicals; significant numbers of them will sit out the election rather than vote for a Mormon VP.

McCain is inviting a huge revolt among his base if he goes with a pro-choice candidate--and that rules out (I predict) Lieberman, Ridge, and Whitman. I think Mac would really like to burnish his "maverick" image by going pro-choice--and I really don't think that he personally cares a hoot one way or another about abortion. But there will be blood on the floor if he goes for any of these three. Don't rule out Mac making such a choice out of sheer cussedness, and out of a desperate hope to appeal to alienated Hillary Democrats (a fast-diminishing breed, I think), but he'll pay a huge price.

That leaves the candidates who are acceptable to the evangelical, national-security, and "economic royalist" wings of the (fast crumbling) Republican coalition. Pawlenty is, as CC says, the "safe," "do-no-harm" choice. But he will have no credibility on national-security issues, and up against Joe Biden in the Veep Debates he's going to be roasted alive.

So what about another dark horse--Eric Cantor of Virginia (formerly my congressman; I'm now stuck with Virgil Goode--boo!) As the only Jewish Republican congressman, Mac can hope that this helps him in Florida; as a Virginian, he can also bank on Cantor making a little difference in this battleground state.
As a congressman rather than a governor (like Pawlenty), Cantor can pretend to know more about national-security issues. I assume that Cantor passes muster with the evangelicals on right-to-life grounds. And he has been a faithful acolyte of George W. Bush on every issue on which the House has had to vote. Plus he looks like a fresh young face. I have no idea whether Cantor and McCain know each other or get along.

So that's what I would see if I were looking at this mess through McCain's eyes. But don't underestimate McCain's capacity for making a completely ornery decision, just to show who's boss.

Look for McCain to try to steal Barack's thunder with a surprise choice. But also look for Republican blood to flow in St. Paul next week.

Bad luck to 'em all! Go Obama-Biden!

Posted by: jm917 | August 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Liebermann makes no sense at all. As much as he is a Republican on foreign policy, he *IS* pro-worker. Unless he completely changes his stripes, he would be opposed to the current GOP policies of outsourcing jobs, displacing American engineers and computer programs and scientists with cheap H1-B guest workers, and would be as much an enemy of the treasonous Wall Street crowd as Democrats.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

re:
"Just reinforces the message - McCain = four more years of Bush."

Come on , you didn't really think that Mantra will hold up long regarding Mc Cain.
He is so left the Republicans regurgitated him the day after the numbers were in.
Powell, if you recall, was duped by Cheney, and Rice is a respected asset to this Country regardless of her Party affiliations.

Both would be the best pick for vp. for this traveling pants sister to turn a vote to.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I really cannot see T-Paw as the pick. He doesn't add anything. And there's an irony to Rove's meddling: people tend to dismiss everything he does and so now maybe Lieberman would be a great way to show independence from Bush/Rove. But the fact is that Lieberman would be a terrible pick, even worse than he was for Gore. Why? Because he's a Democrat! Talk about a buzzkill to the ticket. Romney is pretty lackluster too but, I guess, somewhat safe.

I think Ridge would be the strongest pick. It basically says, you want to beef up your PA and nat'l security efforts with Biden? We'll just see about that.

Maybe I missed something along the way, but whatever happened to PORTMAN?! He would do for the GOP ticket's economic plan what Biden does for foreign policy. And the economy is supposedly more important to voters this time. Anybody? Portman?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

In my earlier post, I didn't take into account the possibility that Tim Pawlenty's time as governor of Minnesota could work against him. It sounds like a lot of Minnesotans are pretty displeased with Pawlenty's work and, to some extent, blame him for the bridge collapse. Still, I don't think that hurts his chances of being picked as VP candidate significantly; Minnesota is only one state, after all, and Joe Voter is going to be paying way more attention to the presidential candidates than to the veeps. I still think Pawlenty is the GOP's safe pick.

In response to Jan: John Kasich isn't being considered for a spot on the Republican ticket because he is probably going to challenge Ted Strickland for governor of Ohio in 2010.

Posted by: VBArthur | August 28, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Richard understand something: THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT MAKES "SENSE" TO YOU, I.E. LIEBERMAN, AND SOMEONE WHO COULD REALLY TRULY SERIOUSLY BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF A WINNING TICKET-LIEBERMAN IS EVERYONE'S FAVORITE DOG-DEMS AND REPUBS. ALIKE-REVILED EQUALLY ON BOTH SIDES-THAT IS NOTHING BUT A STRAIGHT-UP RED HERRING-LIEBERMAN IS THERE BY MCCAIN'S SIDE TO SHOW THAT 1. MCCAIN IS BIPARTISAN, (AND HE IS-REMEMBER, HE VOTED FOR BOTH OF THE MOST LIBERAL SUPREME COURT JUSTICES-GINSBERG, BREYER-AND TOOK A GREAT AMOUNT OF HEAT FROM HIS PARTY BY DOING SO) AND 2. BECAUSE LIEBERMAN STANDS FOR ISRAEL-AND SO HE IS A SYMBOL TO ALL OF THOSE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO HOLD OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT COUNTRY AS SACROSANCT. MCCAIN IS SAYING THAT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL WILL NOT CHANGE WITH HIM AND IT WILL WITH OBAMA.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LIEBERMAN STANDS A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL OF BEING THE VP PICK-WHY MCCAIN'S FOLKS KNOW, THAT SIMPLY COULD NOT BE-IT'S MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE TO HAVE LIEBERMAN AS A FRIEND BY HIS SIDE AS A SYMBOL-NOT AS HIS VP.

THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO THAT.

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Senator Joe Lieberman makes the most sense to me for the following reasons:
1. Joe Lieberman is well known in the U.S. and in Israel.
2. Joe Lieberman is a strong supporter of the occupation of Iraq.
3. Joe Lieberman is one of those "in between" Senators. A little bit of Dem and a little bit of GOP.
4. Joe Lieberman probably leans more to the GOP agenda, since he enlisted in the "war on terrorism".
5. Joe Lieberman is a "throw away" candidate (like McCain). His long career in the Senate could end without any consequences to the long term fortunes of the diminished GOP cult.

Posted by: Richard | August 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

p.s. Leichtman-I've heard the same-again I think it's a feint by the McCain campaign staff.

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

response to :

McCain can't possibly be stupid enough to announce his pick before Obama's speech, can he?

Posted by: Tracy


The best time to announce would be after the hurricane story passes the gulf.

This Convention and Obama Clinton will be pale faded left overs compared to a new hurricane in New Orleans.

If timing is key Mc Cain should wait out the storms, and let dust settle.


Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"Obama would shiver at the thought of a Mc Cain Rice or mc cain Powell ticket."

Yup, he'd hate having McCain name Bush cabinet officials as the VP, espeically foreign policy folks. Just reinforces the message - McCain = four more years of Bush.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, Momotaro, and we are in TOTAL agreement on the MCCAIN/ROMNEY ticket-it is a winner amongst winners! Yes, the wealth/houses thing is a factor, and you are 100% correct about people not being informed and picking up a few negatives hurled from the other side (just look at this board, for starters!) but liabilities are always with candidates in elections, the trick is how do you finesse those liabilities in a deft manner, so as to blunt the attack, turn it back on the opposition, and win your election? We'll see soon enough!

Here the Ox Monster is OBAMA (smile)

I know you know what I mean by that!

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Ran into several middle class R business folks from Minneapolis recently and asked them what they thought about their governor. They called him a Disaster without even hesitang and blame him for the bridge issue.

Have read other sentiments here like that about Pawlenty. Curious what the fixation with him is. Seems like he is a Dan Quayle rerun.
Other than political junkies and people from Minn. he has zero name i.d. So why in the world is he so high up on the VP board?

Posted by: Leichtman | August 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"I was very excited about Sarah Paley from AK. Is there something I don't know about her that's a negative for McCain"

Sarah Palin...1 year as governor of Alaska (during which time the only legislative accomplishment has been an ethics bill, that is now threatening to undermine her own administration through cronyism) and before that mayor of Wasilla (Popabout 6,000). A pretty face, popular, but if she is qualified to be president (the only true standard for a VP selection) then Barack Obama is overqualified.

"GRADUATED FOURTH FROM THE BOTTOM OF HIS THIRD TIER LAW SCHOOL"

I don't think I'd be using 4th from the bottom as an attack line against the bottom of the Dem ticket when you've got John McCain (891/894 at Annapolis) at the top of your ticket.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I cannot imagine putting Christie Todd Whitman on a ticket running against an African American after the allegations that Ed Rollins paid black voters to stay home in her first bid for governor.

Posted by: nv voter | August 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Response to
Uh dotty, you're being dotty by not keeping up on the news: COLIN POWELL SUPPORTS OBAMA.

Posted by: Anonymous

Ha Ha
Powell's contribution was to the Republican party.
Since Kerry is claiming he is not Mc Cain's friend, I never underestimate a flip flop.


Obama would shiver at the thought of a Mc Cain Rice or mc cain Powell ticket.

Whoever he picks will have to pick up the pieces when his health fails and lead this Country right?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 3:06 p.m.:

Will your campaign of paid disinformation using web sites like this to libel and propagandize get exposure?

I hear Mother Jones is working on the story right now... better go troll there, too...

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

I will definitely give you kudos on the Veepstakes as I have all season. I think Pawlenty is the likely pick as well. For some reason I don't buy Mitt Romney. I think the Mormon thing, more than anything else is a problem, especially with the moderates he needs to win.

I really like the Christie Todd Whitman thing as someone with some roots in New Jersey and plenty of friends and family who loved her. After the mixed reaction of Hillary Clinton's largely female voting block to Obama's "snub," I think a Whitman pick could bring her voting block into the McCain camp and possibly deliver a huge blow to Obama. Again, as a self-proclaimed moderate, I love the Republicans from the North. I put Whitman as my number 2.

When push comes to shove though, McCain probably feels like he doesn't need a running mate that makes a splash, he thinks he can win on his own reputation.

Posted by: Andy | August 28, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

ARRABBIATO,

Yes, Captain Caps Lock, he might peel away a handful of moderate Dems by moving to the left, but he'll trade away two conservative Rs for every moderate Dem he gets.

Posted by: James | August 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Google "Pastor Manning and Obama closeted homosexual" and pages surfaces... Wonder if Obama's secret life will get exposure soon?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Google "Pastor Manning and Obama closeted homosexual" and pages surfaces... Wonder if Obama's secret life will get exposure soon?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Also, while Charlie Crist could be an interesting choice, and would probably lock up FL, he's a little too George Hamilton for the GOP ticket.

Plus, the gay whispers.

Posted by: James | August 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

To: ARRABBIATO - I am not making a big deal about the number of houses; I would like to see Romney as V.P., or some other prominent role. However, I worry about the electorate making a big deal out of it. Most people spend more time planning their summer vacation than they do educating themselves about the candidates. Most people will only remember a few big points and this is one that may stick in people's minds.

If Romney were given a chance, and if the McCain/Romney ticket were elected I think he would impress a lot of people. He has high standards and a strong intellect.

Posted by: Momotaro | August 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Most Jews I know detest Lieberman. He is truly a man without a country. Why would McCain pick him, unless he truly is going senile.

Maybe that's why. Let's hope not for the country's sake...

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

CHRISTIE TODD WHITMAN CHRISTIE TODD WHITMAN

Posted by: Most offensive | August 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

AND JAMES, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? IT TELLS YOU THAT HE CAN APPEAL TO THE DEM. MAINSTREAM, WHICH DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NO EXPERIENCE OBAMA AND THE LIAR PLAGIARIST BIDEN-ROMNEY INITIATED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR EVERY MASS. CITIZEN! THAT SOUNDS PRETTY DEM. TO ME, AND THAT IS THE WAY YOU GET THE DEMS TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! MANDATORY HEALTH INSUR. COVERAGE FOR EVERY CITIZEN IS EXACTLY WHAT MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WANT-MAYBE NOT MOST REPUBS., BUT DEMS. FOR SURE! AND I AM A DEM. VOTING THIS REPUB. TICKET-AND IT HAS TO BE MCCAIN/ROMNEY OR I DON'T VOTE THIS TICKET-I VOTE NOBODY!

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

CC: Chicago Sun-Times (a good paper made even better with Mariotti's departure) reports the Clintons were stuck in an elevator last night at the convention and had to be pulled out. No mention I've seen from you or anyone else at WaPo. What exactly are you doing out there on the Graham family's dime? Are you taking the Jayson Blair approach to reporting?

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

AND JAMES, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? IT TELLS YOU THAT HE CAN APPEAL TO THE DEM. MAINSTREAM, WHICH DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NO EXPERIENCE OBAMA AND THE LIAR PLAGIARIST BIDEN-ROMNEY INITIATED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR EVERY MASS. CITIZEN! THAT SOUNDS PRETTY DEM. TO ME, AND THAT IS THE WAY YOU GET THE DEMS TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! MANDATORY HEALTH INSUR. COVERAGE FOR EVERY CITIZEN IS EXACTLY WHAT MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WANT-MAYBE NOT MOST REPUBS., BUT DEMS. FOR SURE! AND I AM A DEM. VOTING THIS REPUB. TICKET-AND IT HAS TO BE MCCAIN/ROMNEY OR I DON'T VOTE THIS TICKET-I VOTE NOBODY!

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

pedestrian,

Answer: probably not.

Posted by: James | August 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Guiliani was the Phil Gramm of 2008. He raised tons of money and won nothing. He would definitely p.o. any waiverin Clinton supporters and someone Biden would love to debate. Ran into several middle class R business folks recently and asked them what they thought about their governor. One word was given. Disaster. Lieberman is sill technically a D and with McCain's age issue McCain could conceivably win and eventually turn the Whithouse over to the Ds; that possiility would not sit well with the GOP. Romney will brand them as wealhy elitist and create a religion problem that McCain does not want and Huckabee while a smooth talker has a real problem with science and raising taxes, a nonstarter with economic conservatives. Whitman or Graham still seem like his best choice.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

With McCain's age and health problems, the real question is:

Would you vote for Pawlenty for President?

Posted by: pedestrian | August 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

To: ARRABBIATO - I am not making a big deal about the number of houses; I would like to see Romney as V.P., or some other prominent role. However, I worry about the electorate making a big deal out of it. Most people spend more time planning their summer vacation than they do educating themselves about the candidates. Most people will only remember a few big points and this is one that may stick in people's minds.

If Romney were given a chance, and if the McCain/Romney ticket were elected I think he would impress a lot of people. He has high standards and a strong intellect.

Posted by: Momotaro | August 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it matters to most folks these days but Pawlenty was raised Catholic and now is a member of the fundamentalist megachurch his wife had attended. I know in the old days of Democratic politics when Irish Catholic bosses ran working machines that Boss Buckley (no relation to Bill) of the Bronx when asked about backing James Byrnes of South Carolina indicated there was no way he was going to support "that dirty little apostate." Byrnes had been raised Catholic but became an Episcopalian later in life which isn't nearly as much of a doctrinal shift as Pawlenty's. It would be an interesting contrast to Biden's position as a practicing but pro choice Catholic.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | August 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Arribbatto:

Please explain to us why you post in ALL CAPS when no one will read a post in ALL CAPS because it is ANNOYING.

What is the clinical name for seeking to be avoided? It's the opposite of egotist. You tell me.

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I think Pawlenty is a lightweight, and I think Biden will clean his clock in debates. What got to me about him was hearing him say that Obama didn't do well in the Rick Warren forum because Obama didn't have his teleprompter. Hello? Obama gave the famous nuanced answers on that occasion, while McCain gave out campaign talking points. That very failure to make the argument correspond to reality will prove costly on the campaign trail. Whatever else you want to say about Bill Clinton and his political hedging, he's always been effective because his arguments have had an element of truth to them. People will realize that what Pawlenty says is stupid.

I think the pick should be Romney. The campaign will be more and more about the economy, and Romney will provide energy there. He's also a good debater.

Posted by: Dharris | August 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Guiliani was the Phil Gramm of 2008. He raised tons of money and won nothing. He would definitely p.o. any waiverin Clinton supporters and someone Biden would love to debate. Ran into several middle class R business folks recently and asked them what they thought about their governor. One word was given. Disaster. Lieberman is sill technically a D and with McCain's age issue McCain could conceivably win and eventually turn the Whithouse over to the Ds; that possiility would not sit well with the GOP. Romney will brand them as wealhy elitist and create a religion problem that McCain does not want and Huckabee while a smooth talker has a real problem with science and raising taxes, a nonstarter with economic conservatives. Whitman or Graham still seem like his best choice.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

What about Florida governor Charlie Crist? He's from an important state, and a very popular Republican governor.....

Posted by: DevilsCapsGal | August 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

As a proud Minnesotan, I can only add that Tim Pawlenty is Dan Quayle Light.
He went on Wold Blitzer and announced that everyone who has a 401(k) would benefit from lower capital gains tax rates- blissfully unaware that 401(k)stock gains are treated as ordinary income unlike his private stock investments.
Bring Tim on! Joe Biden will make a public fool of someone whose chief talent is a nice smile.

Posted by: pragmatist | August 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

ARRABBIATO,

Romney won MA by moving to his left. Hell, he ran for Senate in MA by running to the left of Ted Freaking Kennedy.

Think he'll do that in this election?

Posted by: James | August 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

As a former Clinton supporter, I'm not that "up" on the choices. But I can see problems with each of the ones mentioned by The Fix. (Not CTW or KBH for me personally, but maybe for GOP social conservatives)

Here are two other Republicans who have caught my eye:
I was very excited about Sarah Paley from AK. Is there something I don't know about her that's a negative for McCain?

Also, when John McCain said he was announcing in Ohio, I immediately decided his pick was going to be John Kasich, former Congressman from around Cinci. That would help OH and probably even PA, MI, WI, and MN.

John Kasich has a reputation as a big-time reformer, which would complement the message John McCain wants to send about himself. I really thought it was a perfect fit, but I have have only heard one other pundit ever mention him. Is there something here I don't know?

Posted by: Jan | August 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

AND VF DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT-THAT IS A TOTALLY UNTRUE STATEMENT, VF!

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse


LOLL!!! Christine "The Air's Safe" Whitman?!!!! LOL!!!! Another 9/11 Republican failure.

Posted by: Nurse_Tabby | August 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Especially if he pledges to go on a killing spree ...
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"Now, granted, that base is going to vote Republican even if John McCain pledges to go on a killing spree as soon as he's elected ... ."

Posted by: VBArthur | August 28, 2008 2:36 PM

Posted by: Diogenes | August 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

basically McCain has a pretty sorry bunch from which to choose.

Posted by: vf | August 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty gives the GOP no chance to win in MN. In fact, he probably seals the deal for Obama.

What he does do, however, is keep the base happy and preserve the Southern Strategy, something that Romney, Guliani, and especially Lieberman put in danger.

I'll trade you MI for GA, VA, LA, and NC any day of the week.

Posted by: James | August 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Romney could give McCain Michigan and that would almost for sure give McCain the election"

Just because Romney's father was Governor before most voters were born doesn't mean Romney will deliver MI. In fact most Michiganders don't like mitt.

Also McCain's "some people lost their jobs" quip about Romney is a ready made attack ad, and a very effective one.

Posted by: vf | August 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Peachboy (aka "Momotaro")-I think you're making too too much about the houses-remember, McCain is wealthy because of his wife, and so, they own a lot of condos-so what? It's her money! Big deal! And Romney? With his double JD?MBA and him being able to translate all his academic brilliance into fabulous career success in the financial world? HOW COULD THE US NOT BENEFIT FROM HIS EXPERTISE-AND HE'S THE FORMER GOV. OF A DEM CATHOLIC STATE-HOW DO YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU ARE A MORMON AND A REPUBLICAN, HUH? YOU HAVE TO BE PRETTY DARN EXTRAORDINARY THAT'S WHAT! AND IF HE CAN TURN THIS ECONOMY AROUND, THEN NOBODY WILL GIVE A D AMN THAT HE'S A MULTIMILLIONAIRE!

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse


LOLL!!! Christine "The Air's Safe" Whitman?!!!! LOL!!!! Another 9/11 Republican failure.

Posted by: Nurse_Tabby | August 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who or what Mcbush picks as his vp, Obama/Biden got it nailed down.

Posted by: pj5 | August 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

the big problem with Romney is he and McCain really genuinely don't like each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-eY94cTrzU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XjuFUkamu4&feature=related

then again they all have problems

Posted by: vf | August 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain can't possibly be stupid enough to announce his pick before Obama's speech, can he?

Posted by: Tracy | August 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Forgot a key point in Guiliani's support:

He knows how to nuance the abortion issue, depending on the audience and the point in time. He was for it before he was against it, so he could be kind of for it again on a restricted basis.

Also -- he's a favorite of the protectorati, the powers behind the throne...

Posted by: scrivener | August 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I like it.. Romney is the best on paper but... But what? McCain needs to pick off one big blue state, cause Obama will at least grab 2 or 3 small red states.. It's not sure thing Pawlenty will get Minnesota for McCain, besides there aren't that many electeral votes there anyway. Romney could give McCain Michigan and that would almost for sure give McCain the election. McCain is not that strong to think he can pick the guy he likes the most.. he needs the guy who can help him win. Romney gives him his best chance to win.

Posted by: rss | August 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty = new unknown Quayle
Romney = phony
Lieberman = neo-con doofus

Six months to narrow it down to these guys? Great picks!

Posted by: Scott in PacNW | August 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

NOW J, KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT!

Posted by: arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Tim Pawlenty is Dan Qualye, part two. No one has ever heard of him and he undercuts the "experience" argument that is McCain's only credible attack on Obama. Why not just pick Lindsay Graham? Isn't that who McCain really wants?

Posted by: J | August 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Joey B will rip paws a new one, talk about a wimp. LOL.

Posted by: pj45 | August 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain already has an uphill slog to win. Without Romney his task will be even more difficult. Romney would have been the best pick.

But, McCain has put himself in a tight spot with his housing flap. Picking Romney magnifies this issue, since they have a dozen houses between the two of them.

It's almost a no-win for McCain. Now I see him running a good race but coming up short.

Posted by: Momotaro | August 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Guliani is a disasterous pick as well. The worst campaigner in modern presidential politics. Plus, he's got more skeletons in his closet than the swimming pool scene in Poltergeist.

Besides, they can't have another one-trick pony on the ticket.

"Noun, verb, POW" + "Noun, verb, 9/11" = RIP GOP

Posted by: James | August 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Mitt's the one.

Religion isn't an issue except for bigots, liberals.......

McCain likes Mitt or he wouldn't have campaigned for him in 1992 and in 2002. Plus McCain says now the Mitt's working harder for him then he did for himself.

Bains a big plus unless your a liberal Democrat. Mitt's Bain put the first dollar into Staples which now employees over 80,000 Americans.

An M & M ticket is what Americans want and need.

Posted by: Allen Ridge | August 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Nope, sorry, Pawlenty is a strong second, BUT NO DICE-NA GA HAPPEN-HE BARELY WON - BY 2 POINTS IN 2006! AND THE NO EXPERIENCE OBAMA HAS GOT MINN. AND WISC. FIRMLY TIED UP-NO MCCAIN IS LOOKING FOR DELEGATE RICH MICHIGAN-AND THAT'S WHERE THE SON OF THE FORMER GOV. WILL HELP HIM, AS HE WILL IN EVERY OTHER WAY-MICHIGAN-ROMNEY-MASS (DEM. STRONGHOLD) ROMNEY-WOMEN VOTERS-ROMNEY.

AND THEN, THERE'S THAT REMARK PAWLENTY MADE ABOUT HIS OWN WIFE: She loves football, she'll go to hockey games," he told a local radio interviewer last month. "Now, if I could only get her to have sex with me."

THAT WON'T CUT IT WITH A LOT OF HRC SUPPORTERS, WILL IT?

HOWEVER HE DOES HAVE BLUE-COLLAR CREDS (but I personally, don't think that much about having such creds-JFK didn't, nor did Bush-it didn't hurt them that they came from wealthy scion families, now did it?)

AND HE IS YOUNG (47) WHICH IS A FACTOR, BUT NOT ENOUGH OF A FACTOR TO OUTSHINE THE BRILLIANT AND EXTREMELY TELEGENIC ROMNEY, WHO'S BEEN MARRIED TO HIS HS SWEETHEART HIS WHOLE LIFE, AND SPEAKS FLUENT FRENCH!

DEMS. FOR MCCAIN/ROMNEY 08!

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse


Not much of a list.


So, where's all the talent in the GOP? Oh that's right, there isn't any. I know. How about Lou Dobbs? He hates Mexicans, but I don't see him offering to harvest our crops for us at slave wages.


BTW, if you post in all caps, can you be executed? I'd like that, regardless of the content.

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | August 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain is screwed. He can either pick Romney, who the base hates because he's a Mormon and is on record saying vicious things about McCain. Or he can pick Pawlenty, who has zero name recognition and zero experience...a critical factor when the nominee is 72 and in questionable health. Or he can pick Lieberman, which will cause a revolt within the Republican party. Or he can pick a female CEO such as Whitman or Fiorentina who has zero experience in anything other than business.

My guess is he goes with Pawlenty, but he it brings up the "heartbeat away from the presidency" issue.

Powell clearly supports Obama, and I don't think Rice wants the job.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman is obviously the Dems dream come true. The phrase "human chum" comes to mind when imagining a Lieberman v. Biden debate. Not to mention the revolt you'll see from the conservative right ("Paging Bob Barr, would Mr. Bob Barr please come to the podium?")

Tim Pawlenty is the safe pick, to be sure. He's a young, conservative ideologue. Of course, he may also be the most boring man on the planet.

(Old joke: Tim Pawlenty is so boring, his Secret Service codename is "Tim Pawlenty.")

The chamber of horrors that is his career as Governor of Minnesota won't help, either. I have a couple of friends from Minneapolis who are nostalgic for the Jesse Ventura days at this point.

Posted by: James | August 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

HERE COMES THE DARKEST OF DARK HORSES: GUILIANI

The Dem convention shows that Hillary Dems are ripe for the picking, despite the kumbayah of Wedenesday night.

McCain is anything but naive. He knows he can afford to move to the center and win big, or foolishly put his base first and barely squeek to victory -- or perhaps lose in an historic upset.

Pawlenty offers no excitement and no crossover appeal. Romney's Mormon baggage and his big business persona don't help him win over disaffected Dems. Lieberman's a loser with Hillary Dems and the right wing and would be the stupidest choice of all.

Portman is super-competent, but not exciting, and too close to the Bushes for McCain's tastes. He's already chafing under the yoke of his Rovian campaign handlers.

That leaves Ridge, Huckabee, or a dark horse like Carly Fiorina, who has no experience; Hutchison, whose dour demeanor is off-putting to centrists; or Rudy Guiliani, who has great appeal to lunch-bucket voters of both parties, as well as to independents.

I'm betting darkhorse, and I'll put my money on Guiliani. Rudy's the perfect tough guy to counterpoint Biden; as Joe reminds us, the G-man's got 9/11 "cred." He's run a city that's as big as most countries; and he can bring in PA, NJ, CT, MD and lots of Reagan-Hillary Democrats nationwide.

Guiliani. It pains me to say it, but there's no better choice for McCain.

Personally, I'd like him to go with Huckabee, due to Huck's libertarian streak and distrust of Big Government, two traits that are lacking in Guiliani.

But that's probably why the Huck won't make the cut.

Posted by: scrivener | August 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with the theory that the consideration of Joe Lieberman as VP is a red herring. Picking Lieberman might give off a centrist vibe, but it'll upset the base. Now, granted, that base is going to vote Republican even if John McCain pledges to go on a killing spree as soon as he's elected, but any move that diminishes enthusiasm for McCain is going to have a negative effect on independents. The logic there would be, "Why should I get excited about John McCain if even his own party isn't?" I don't see it happening.

Mitt Romney would be an interesting pick, and there is clearly a decent-sized contingent of Republicans who want Romney to be chosen as VP, particularly those who are nervous about McCain but aren't admitting it. Trouble is, that creates the risk that McCain might be overshadowed by his No. 2 -- the same theory some people had about Hillary Clinton as potential VP for Barack Obama -- and that, too, will not play well with middle-of-the-road voters.

I have to think Tim Pawlenty is the most likely pick here. "None-of-the-above" candidates are popular on the Republican side this year -- Thompson, Huckabee, McCain -- and Pawlenty is someone voters aren't sick of. Plus, he's got governor chops, something the Democratic candidates don't have that the Republicans might be able to use to their advantage. He doesn't really need to match up to Joe Biden; the only thing he needs to do to fulfill his role is not screw up between now and Election Day, and there's no reason to think that he will make a colossal mistake sometime between now and then.

Posted by: VBArthur | August 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman is out. The right wing Christians may want all the Jews back in Isreal for the second coming but they won't stand for a Jew as the president of their "Christian America".

It's Romney. The country is in the crapper, McCain is going to lose and Corporate Party needs to establish Mitt as the candidate in 2012.

I'm kinda excited about that whole undergarment thing, actually ;-)

Posted by: thebob.bob | August 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty will get creamed by Biden in the debate and add nothing more than a goofy sidekick to the ticket.

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Posted by: matt | August 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Whitman should be at the very top of the list except that she too is pro choice, I believe which is still unbelivably a nonstarter for the GOP. McCain knows that he is likely to lose unless he rolls the dice and goes for broke with Whitman or Lieberman but since he seems to now cater to his right wing, he will likely play it safe with Pawlenty. If he chooses Whitman it will show that he is a risk taker and serious about wining and that will make the GOP Convention fireworks quite interesting.

Curious if Lindsey Graham was ever even vetted. Seems like he would be a perfect fit.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Hope you are correct with Pawlenty as No. 1. Would love to see him linked to the bridge collapse last year as he cut Minnesota taxes.

If I were a McCain advisor, I'd pick Whitman in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Spectator | August 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Reason-you, like the Fix, are WAY OFF BASE. LIEBERMAN IS JUST A RED HERRING, THAT'S ALL. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT-IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Good "Line" CC. I think Romney certainly has the edge over Portman on economics, which is why Romney is #2 and Portman isn't on the list. Tom Ridge would upset the right and would not be a great pick for McCain across the country. The way Obama is spending money and campaigning in the South and midwest, a Ridge pick that would not motivate the right would be a mistake. I think Sarah Palin, gov. of Alaska, is now eliminated from VP contention. Palin's Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell, who Palin endorsed in the R primary, has apparently lost to US Rep. Donald Young. There are about 4,000 absentee ballots to count, but this is more than likely to increase Young's lead instead of put Parnell in front. That basically eliminates Palin. Christie Whitman would be a terrible choice, CC. I put next to no credibility to that rumor.

I believe it's down to Tim Pawlenty or Joe Lieberman. T-Paw really makes the most sense. Pawlenty has middle class midwestern roots. Son of a truck driver and has been a favorite of fiscal & social conservatives. He Pawlenty would motivate these 2 groups tremendously to turn-out and vote. In the event McCain had to step down, died, decided not run for a 2nd term...the GOP would be very happy & satisfied with Pawlenty in the White House. Joe Lieberman is an interesting pick. Lieberman would transcend the issue of partisan politics for McCain, leaving alot of independents & moderate Democrats to vote for McCain. Liberman is also a prolific fundraiser and would be able to raise lots of Jewish money for McCain. Lieberman also gives McCain Florida easily, and makes him more competitive in Northern states: Michigan, Conn. & perhaps New Jersey. If McCain said he will only serve 1 term, use his & Lieberman's influence to get things done for the nation & dispell some concerns about McCain's age in saying he will only serve 1 term & Lieberman will not run again either.

In my view, the darkhorse is Virginia US Minority Whip Eric Cantor. Cantor checks off all the marks and really excites conservatives. Cantor is a great fundraiser and has a list a mile long to bring to the table in terms of fundraising. He's also from the swing state of Virigina, which McCain has to have to win the election.

Final line:
1. Tim Pawlenty
2. Joe Lieberman
3. Eric Cantor
4. Mitt Romney
5. Tom Ridge

My prediction:
Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Pawlenty

Posted by: reason | August 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Resonse to the poster
Bush + Cheney = Mcain,

Either top leader is not who we have to chose from.
One might cease due to age, but the other faces certain impeachment process already in the mix from within his own party.
Isn't the vote really going to be carried by the VP this year?

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Uh dotty, you're being dotty by not keeping up on the news: COLIN POWELL SUPPORTS OBAMA.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid the plagiarist liar intellectual lightweight JOE BIDEN can't even stand in MITT ROMNEY'S SHADOW! Biden, who appears to have some very big conflicts that have been revealed the other day by the LA Times, which shows Biden up the a ss of corporate interests, voting against anything that would harm his sons' business interests in Delaware, and, GRADUATED FOURTH FROM THE BOTTOM OF HIS THIRD TIER LAW SCHOOL -UNLIKE ROMNEY, WHO GRADUATED WITH HONORS FROM HARVARD LAW.

BIDEN IS ALWAYS WRONG ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS-HE'S THE BIGGEST JOKE, THE BIGGEST FRAUD THERE IS-JOE BIDEN STINKS OF CORPORATE INTERESTS, AND FRADULENT CREDENTIALS-JUST LIKE HE'S BEEN FALSELY CLAIMING ON HIS RESUME ALL HIS LIFE TO PUFF HIM UP-THE MAN IS A TRUE MENTAL MIDGET WHO GETS A FREE PASS FROM WASHINGTON'S MSM!

THAT'S FUNNY-JOE "HAIRPLUG" BIDEN- PLAGIARIST, LIAR AND FRAUD -OBVIOUSLY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC DON'T THINK ANYTHING OF BIDEN, SINCE OBAMA GOT NO BOUNCE WHATSOEVER FROM HIS VP PICK!-THAT TELLS YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT INTELLECTUAL LIGHTWEIGHT!

Posted by: ARRABBIATO | August 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Without a candidate to vote for in my party, I now hope Mc Cain takes on Powell or Rice as a VP.

Both serve this country with responsibility to the people.

Either one would leave no contest left for the Hussein ObamabinBiden ticket.

I hope Mc Cain leaves an open door for members of America's Sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits to go through.

I still think Mc Cain and Obama would lose to an Independent ticket of Clinton and Joe.

Posted by: dotty | August 28, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Who does McCain really think he's kidding?
McCain will be sailing down the Alzheimer express in a year and he's completely delusional if he thinks he can rule the world just by trying to look and sound presidential.


McCain is stuck in the past and he's counting on his so called "war hero" status to win the office. He failed in war when he was captured and if he is magically elected he will fail as a president.


Bush was a train wreck, McCain would be a disaster.


Here's some Mavericky "straight-talk"...my friends


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEmPZoRVRII
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Posted by: Bush + Cheney = McCain | August 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Fix, as usual, way off base. IT'S MITT ROMNEY ALL THE WAY-HE IS THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE TO BE PRESIDENT, LET ALONE VP SINCE BILL CLINTON. ROMNEY IS IN FACT VERY VERY LIKE BILL CLINTON, HE HAS USED INTELLECTUAL BRILLIANCE TO BE A HUGE SUCCESS BOTH IN THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR-IT IS DARN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO THINK THAT A MORMON FROM MICHIGAN COULD BE A WELL REGARDED GOV. OF A STATE THAT IS PRACTICALLY ALL WORKING CLASS CATHOLIC DEMOCRATS. BUT ROMNEY DID WIN, AND HE DID VERY VERY WELL.

POST-IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A POLITICIAN WHO IS VERY VERY LIKE BILL CLINTON, LOOK NO FURTHER THAN MITT ROMNEY-THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ONCE THEY GET TO KNOW HIM, WILL VERY VERY MUCH APPRECIATE AND LIKE WHAT THEY SEE! OF COURSE, HIS MOVIE STAR GOOD LOOKS DON'T HURT EITHER!

Posted by: Arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter--Joe Biden's got chunks of guys like this in his stool. He'll take them apart piece by piece. Lightweights!

Posted by: Soonerthought.blogspot.com | August 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Very simply, Blarg, HUCKLEBEE IS VERY VERY BUTT-UGLY-THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND THAT FACT, HE AND HIS HOMELY WIFE REMINDED PEOPLE OF AN UGLY NORMAN ROCKWELL PAINTING. AND HE IS WACKY AS WELL-HE APPEALED TO AROUND .10 OF THE NITWIT VOTERS OUT THERE IN HICKSVILLE.

Posted by: Arrabbiato | August 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

What a dilemma! No matter whom McCain chooses, some major part of his coalition will be upset. But I think all of this talk about McCain leaning toward Lieberman is just a red herring designed to distract the media from the Obama speech on Thursday night. On the other hand, I'd love to see wingnuts like Limbaugh/Dobson/Rove/Hannity/Novak become apoplectic over the addition of Lieberman to the ticket.

Posted by: harlemboy | August 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The Frank Marshall Davis Cover-Up Is Over
Cliff Kincaid


Jon Meacham writes in Newsweek that Obama’s mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was “a strong voice for racial justice” and political activist whose “writings on civil-rights and labor issues” had “prompted a McCarthyite denunciation by the House Un-American Activities Committee.” Meacham is suggesting that Davis was the target of false allegations that he was a communist.

While he agrees that Davis was one of Obama’s mentors, Meacham’s handling of the communism angle is about as dishonest as it gets.

But at least the name of Frank Marshall Davis is finally getting into print in the mainstream media. It has taken months to get the truth out.

In the first place, as Meacham surely knows, Joseph McCarthy was a senator, not a congressman. The House committee had nothing to do with McCarthy. Second, Davis was identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), controlled and subsidized by the Soviet Communist Party and the KGB. As late as 1956, when he was called before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, Davis was still refusing to deny that he was a communist.

Wouldn’t it be helpful if Meacham, the editor of Newsweek, would make an elementary effort to get the facts right? But that is too much to ask when the presidency is at stake and the media-backed candidate is trying to cover up his controversial background.

All of this is of no significance or consequence if you believe that communism has been a blessing to the planet. But the editors of the Black Book of Communism, which documents about 100 million dead from this philosophy, would disagree.

And with Russia back on the march, a candidate’s connection to an agent and apologist for Soviet Russia might strike many people as decidedly newsworthy, especially when that candidate initially refused to condemn Russia for its invasion of Georgia.

In Time magazine, David Von Drehle is a bit more honest. “Like his friend Paul Robeson and others, Davis perceived the Soviet Union as a ‘staunch foe of racism’ (as he later put it in his memoirs), and at one point he joined the Communist Party,” he writes. Nevertheless, Drehle faults AIM for trying to paint a “radical” picture of Obama because of his association with Davis. He insists that “by the time they [Obama and Davis] met, Davis had been out of politics for decades, and ‘mentor’ may exaggerate his role in the young man's life. Still, it’s clear that Obama did seek advice from the old man and that what he got was undiluted.”

It is not a “radical” picture we paint. It is one of closely associating with an agent of one of the bloodiest and most destructive political philosophies of human history.

One of the key facts that Von Drehle ignores is that Robeson, like Davis, had been a secret member of the Communist Party USA. Also, by the time they met, 1970, Davis was still active in a CPUSA front called the American Committee for Foreign Born. So he wasn’t “out of politics for decades.” There’s no evidence that Davis, who died in 1987, ever stopped being a communist.

In any case, with these stories in Newsweek and Time, the six-month major media campaign to ignore the Obama-Davis relationship is finally over. The admissions of Davis’s influence over Obama only confirm what we have been reporting since February.

Our challenge now, as it has always been, is to demand that they tell the truth - the full truth. Honest and objective journalism demands nothing less.

Of course, one big reason why they are finally acknowledging the basic truth is that Obama himself admitted that he had a relationship with Davis. The pressure was getting too big to ignore. Obama did this in the 40-page so-called “rebuttal” to the Jerome Corsi book, The Obama Nation. The disclosure was made in the context of claiming, as Meacham tries to do, that Davis was not a communist but only a civil rights activist. This is a blatant lie.

We demonstrated in a previous column that the article quoted by the Obama campaign, supposedly to prove that Davis was in favor of social and racial justice, actually included several references to his involvement in the CPUSA and its fronts. All of these points were carefully excluded from what the campaign provided to the media and the public.

The Newsweek and Time treatments, as inadequate and misleading as they are, actually represent a step forward. The Washington Post on Sunday ran a 10,000-word stunningly dishonest story about Obama growing up in Hawaii that completely ignored Davis’s critical role. The author, David Maraniss, told us that he had concluded that even Obama had “hyped out of all proportion” Davis’s influence over him! Maraniss, a Pulitzer Prize-winner, insisted that Davis “did not play a role in really shaping Obama.” He’s covering up even more than the Obama campaign. This is pro-Obama media bias to a remarkable extreme.

Clearly, Meacham and Von Drehle don’t buy Maraniss’s fantasy view. While Meacham dealt with it carefully enough to shield Obama from the big questions, Von Drehle strayed off the reservation a bit. By letting it slip that Davis was a Soviet apologist, he may have generated some further interest in this story. Perhaps some readers may even venture to the AIM website to see what we have in fact been writing about Davis and Obama. It is not a pretty picture, which is why Obama covered up Davis’s true identity in his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father. He obviously did not ever think that a writer for a CPUSA publication, possibly with inside information, would later identify the mysterious “Frank” as Frank Marshall Davis.

Judging by the increasing attacks on AIM and me personally for investigating this matter, we are getting too close for comfort. But we will not rest until all of the truth is told.

The relationship took on more concern when the London Daily Telegraph reported allegations that Davis was not only a communist but a sex pervert and pornographer, and that he smoked dope with Obama’s grandfather, Stanley Dunham, who had introduced Davis to Obama when the child was only nine years of age. Dunham and Davis were drinking buddies.

Obama admits doing drugs in his youth, and we know that Obama talks about sharing alcohol with Davis. Did he share drugs with him too?

Obama, of course, is not responsible for being put into close contact with this alleged child molester, alcohol abuser, and pothead. Obama’s growing-up years were sad and tragic, especially with his black father taking off and his mother spending much of her time elsewhere. His grandparents tried their best to raise him. But his grandfather should never have turned Obama over to Davis.

Since Obama wants to be the president of the United States of America, with authority over domestic and foreign policies that will affect our daily lives, we have a right to know the nature of the Obama-Davis relationship and how it affected his personal life and political philosophy. The media should demand answers.

What we already know is not comforting. In addition to the sleazy atmosphere in Davis’s home, where Obama would listen to his “poetry” and radical diatribes, Davis attempted to guide Obama’s conduct in life. He told Obama, for example, that when he went to college he should not believe that [expletive deleted] about the American way of life. Obama, by his own admission, then attends socialist conferences and picks Marxist professors as his friends. Then he goes to Chicago and ends up in the arms of communists and socialists who advance his political career. Davis would have been proud.

It would be advisable for the Obama campaign to fully disclose all of the relevant facts about the Obama-Davis relationship. We need more, not less, information.

But it appears that the Obama campaign has launched a coordinated attack on those raising questions that the media won’t touch. The pathetic and deceptive “rebuttal” to Corsi is one example of this. Another is the increasing appearance of “progressive” voices, mostly in the form of posted comments, on conservative-oriented websites. The AIM site, which is open for discussion, has not been immune to this kind of assault. The attacks don’t usually dispute any facts but instead launch personal attacks on the authors of investigative pieces about Obama. Those who want a civil discussion of the legitimate points made in an article are also attacked. The campaign seems desperate, as if there is a feeling on the left that the media might eventually have to grapple with some of these issues, that Obama can’t answer the questions himself, and that he has to be protected from even dealing with them.

At another level, the Obama campaign is now demanding the investigation and prosecution of a group, known as the American Issues Project, and one of its donors, because the organization is running an ad about Obama’s friendly association with Bill Ayers, a major figure in the Weather Underground Communist terrorist organization. The Obama campaign insists that the group and the donor are operating illegally. The American Issues Project is vigorously defending itself.

Even here, in the case of this supposedly controversial ad, the complete truth is not being told. It refers to the Weather Underground, which engaged in bombings of the U.S. Capitol and other places, as an “American terrorist group” when it took direction from foreign communists in Hanoi and Havana and even had contacts with the Soviet KGB. An ad from the Obama campaign, in response, insists that Ayers was only a “radical,” that Obama denounced Ayers’ crimes, and was only eight years old when those crimes occurred. But Obama was an adult when he launched his political career in Ayers’ home. At that point, there was no excuse for associating with Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, who was also a Communist terrorist.

“Some members of the group Ayers founded even went on to kill police,” the ad said. This is true, but it is only part of the story. Dohrn herself was implicated in the bombing of a police station that killed a policeman. In addition, an FBI undercover agent in the organization has said that Ayers himself had knowledge of bomb-making and knew about Dohrn’s role in planting the bomb killing the policeman in San Francisco. All of this was explained in our AIM Report, Blood On the Hands of Obama’s Terror Associate.

Obama was only nine years old when he met Davis. But he spent eight or nine critical and formative years under his tutelage. The question, however, is not so much when he met Davis or Ayers but how much influence they had on him, and why, in the case, of Ayers, he would openly associate with and accept political support from him.

The key to understanding Obama’s friendly relationship with Ayers is Davis. And we should know a lot more about Davis before this campaign is over. Most of the major media will stand in the way of full disclosure because they believe that the truth can only harm their favored candidate.

Family Security Matters Contributing Editor Cliff Kincaid is the Editor of Accuracy in Media, and can be contacted at cliff.kincaid@aim.org.

Posted by: BruiserND | August 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Why wasn't Huckabee strongly considered as VP? He did about as well in the primaries as Romney, he brings in social conservatives, and he's very likable. Seems like he's a much better pick than the unpopular single-term governor Romney.

Does anyone actually like Joe Lieberman? Besides John McCain, that is.

Posted by: Blarg | August 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

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