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The Case for Joe Biden

With Barack Obama rumored to be nearing a vice presidential pick, there is NO candidate hotter than Sen. Joe Biden (Del.).

Why?

VP Watch

The decision to name former governor Mark Warner (Va.) as the keynote speaker for the Democratic National Convention seems to suggest that Gov. Tim Kaine is falling from the top tier. The "security" theme of Wednesday night at the convention, the same night the vice president will speak, seems to suggest that the veep pick will be someone with a deep resume. And, the notoriously loquacious Biden -- and his campaign team -- has been preternaturally quiet over the past few weeks, a silence that is fueling rumors that he is the pick.

Today we make the case for Obama to pick Biden. Tomorrow we offer the opposite argument.

Foreign Policy First

There's no one in the Democratic Party who knows more about foreign policy and is as comfortable speaking about it as Biden.

Bideb and Obama
Sen. Barack Obama huddles with Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph Biden, in Jan. during a hearing on Iraq. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, File)

Biden has done several stints as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and during the Democratic primaries he spoke passionately and intelligently about Iraq while also framing the way in which America needs to position itself in the post-9/11 world.

For Obama, whose only obvious weakness in the race is his light foreign policy resume, Biden would provide an immediate boost and badly complicate John McCain's attempts to paint the Illinois senator as ill-prepared to represent the United States on the world stage.

Here's a snippet from Biden's comments about McCain during a conference call last month: "He doesn't get it. The mere fact that you would have someone compare the circumstances now, in the past, or in the future, of Iraq to the ending of World War II and the ending of the Korean war absolutely demonstrates a total fundamental lack of understanding of what the problems America faces."

That quote (and others like it) suggest Biden can -- and would -- go toe to toe with McCain (and whoever the Arizona Senator chooses as his running mate) over conflicts across the world, relationships with foreign leaders and vision for the future of the country.

One other potential foreign policy benefit to Obama in picking Biden. The Delaware senator has known McCain for the better part of three decades, meaning that he knows ever nook and cranny, every nuance of the positions that the Arizona Senator has taken over that time. That means the Obama campaign can call McCain on any sort of foreign policy flip flop by using Biden, a credible messenger on the issues.

Average Joe

It's a strange thing to say about a guy who has spent 36 years in the Senate but Biden genuinely has appeal to the blue-collar, working class voters that Obama struggled to attract during the Democratic primaries.

Maybe it's Biden roots in hard-scrabble Scranton, Pennsylvania. (Hello, Michael Scott!) Maybe it's the fact that Biden takes Amtrak home to Delaware every night and knows the name of all the conductors and ticket agents on the route. Maybe it's the fact that his personal story -- his wife and daughter were killed a month after he was elected to the Senate in 1972 -- resonates with people who have suffered similar losses.

Regardless of what it is, there's little question that, in the words of one Biden advocate, he passed the "have a beer" test. That is, Biden is the kind of guy most voters can imagine themselves having a beer (or, heck, a boilermaker) with -- a crucial hurdle when it comes to electing a president. (George W. Bush, widely dismissed by elites, was elected to two terms due in no small part because he was perceived as far more of a regular guy than either Al Gore or John Kerry.)

Biden's ability to connect with blue collar voters would almost certainly help Obama in Pennsylvania (aside from Biden's roots in Scranton, he has been a regular figure on Philadelphia television during his campaigns) as well as potentially in Ohio and Michigan as well.

It's also worth noting that Biden is a strong Catholic. Obama lost white Catholics badly to Hillary Rodham Clinton during the primary season and, as Post pollster Jon Cohen notes, white Catholics have emerged as one of the bellwether groups in recent elections; the candidate who wins white Catholics has won the presidency in every election since 1972.

Charismatic Campaigner

It's hard to remember now but back in 1987 when Biden first ran for president he was the hottest commodity in the Democratic Party -- the bright young star who would lead on the national stage for years to come.

That wasn't to be but in the intervening years Biden has lost none of his charisma and ability while adding the heft that comes with decades spent in the political mix.

During the primary season, Biden surprised many observers -- The Fix included -- by winning a number of crucial endorsements in Iowa despite the fact he was a decided longshot. In fact, in the days leading up to the caucuses, there was some buzz that Biden could shock the world and end up in the top three thanks to the energetic and effective campaign he ran.

Ultimately Biden fell well short, a finish that had more to do with his inability/unwillingness to raise the money necessary to compete with the Big Three of Obama, Clinton and former senator John Edwards (N.C.) than his own campaign skills.

As the vice presidential nominee to a candidate who looks likely to shatter every fundraising record there is, Biden will be freed from the burden of cash-collection and will be allowed to devote full time to stumping for the ticket.

And, when it comes to the crucial vice presidential debate on Oct. 2 in St. Louis, it's hard to imagine a more tested and able candidate than Biden. Biden got almost no air time during the nearly two dozen Democratic debates (as befitted his second tier status) but was still able to make lemonade out of lemons more often than not.

He thinks quickly on his feet, is extremely well versed on the issues of the day, and, most importantly, knows how to inject a bit of humor into the proceedings. The only knock? Biden tends to be a bit long-winded -- but more on that tomorrow in the case against him.

Attack Dog

There aren't all that many tasks for the vice president. Advocate for the presidential nominee, stump in off-the-beaten track places, and, most importantly, attack the other party's candidate.

Recent political history is littered with vice presidents who either couldn't or wouldn't play the attack dog role. Allies of Kerry (Mass.) still complain that Edwards didn't do enough to hit President Bush and Vice President Cheney during the 2004 campaign -- perhaps out of fear of hurting his own presidential chances if Kerry came up short.

Biden's main rival at this point for the vice presidency -- Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh -- has been dogged by questions of whether picking him would be a repeat of Kerry naming Edwards; Bayh, a tremendously popular figure in Indiana politics, hasn't had a race in which he had to get down and dirty, well, ever, and is clearly interested in being president down the line.

Biden, on the other hand, will be 66 years old when and if Obama is sworn in next January and, according to various sources on Capitol Hill, is perfectly content to spend the remainder of his days as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. In other words: He has exorcised the presidential bug.

Picking Biden then would virtually ensure that Obama would not have to worry about whether the vice president was constantly trying to position for a national race of his own down the road.

Add to that Biden's clear willingness to deliver attacks. During the primaries, Biden was one of the rare candidates willing to throw an elbow from time to time -- although always with a smile on his face and a kind word for his foe.

In that, Biden most closely resembles Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Ct.) whose polite demeanor masks a hard-edged commitment to delivering sharp and effective attacks. Given the real potential that Lieberman could be McCain's pick, Obama would be smart to go with Biden to neutralize the Connecticut Senator's well-earned reputation as a skilled attacker.

As always, this piece is meant to spark conversation, so feel free to agree, disagree, condemn or compliment in the comments section below. (Looking for past "case for/case against" pieces? You can find them in our "Veepstakes" category.)

Tomorrow: The case against Biden.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 13, 2008; 1:09 PM ET
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Comments

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the nation says America has pretty seriously gotten off-track.

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That marriage broke up after McCain met Cindy Hensley, who was young, rich and offered McCain
a base to launch the political career he was already contemplating. How could you trust this Cheater man to lead America?

Posted by: kevin | August 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

when Americans look for a change in leadership -- for the crumbling economy, skyrocketing gas prices,
encompassing budget deficit, health care, the environment, education, and on and on - they only see MCBush
economic advisor blasting a "nation of whiners," , MCBush is totally out of mind and out of touch when is continuing failed Bush policy while ignoring that 81% of
the nation says America has pretty seriously gotten off-track.

True Christian and faithful person will be stupid to Vote for McCheater who has admitted adultery while married to his first wife.
That marriage broke up after McCain met Cindy Hensley, who was young, rich and offered McCain
a base to launch the political career he was already contemplating. How could you trust this Cheater man to lead America?

Posted by: kevin | August 20, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Sam Nunn is not only a foreign affairs expert, he is THE expert when it comes to Russia and Russian policy. At this point in time, there is no better choice to complement Obama and counter McCain than Sam Nunn.

And Nunn was against BOTH wars in Iraq, to boot.

Sam Nunn would give Obama the election,

Posted by: Dave | August 20, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Everone seems to forget about his Senate aid who was homosexual that got taken in by another on the internet to the tune of $300,000.00 from his campaighn fund.

Posted by: ms. helga | August 20, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden=democratic lock!!!!

Posted by: Paul | August 19, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama Biden is one of the sanest tickets America has in it's pocket. Hope.
http://www.obamabiden08.org

Posted by: Eric Jackson | August 19, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Rick Warren brought out the best in US! - By letting McCain and Obama just be themselves toward His unbiased questioning!? - As an Independent, - We was very surprised to hear the Results in Their' Own Words!! - Obama Was 'together' and made sense with ALL Answers! - But sadly, McCain sounded as His usual, -Was unbelievably "Angry, Hateful, Spiteful, and Uncapable at all of being Civil or Caring about Life! McCain proved to us all, that He could NEVER handle the Presidency,- Period! McCain is an Emotional Time-Bomb, and ready for WAR at any cost! McCain / Bush are Equal as War-Mongers, Liers, and Definately NOT CHRISTIAN AT ALL!! Tis Was Proven by Mccain Own Answers of, - Hatred, anti-Love, and Destruction if not for His' Selfish Beliefs, and that was all McCain represented of himself. - So as INDEPENDENTS we finally recognize the Truth! There is NO CHOICE, but OBAMA, for PEACE, PATRIOTISM, and a return to AMERICAN FOUNDING-FATHER VALUES. - "Thank You Mr. Warren". - The FACTS on Obama & McCain are Now Fianally Revealed to the Evangelical Patriots! - "AMEN", - jward52

Posted by: Joe Ward | August 17, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Iowa Hawkeye:

Thank you for your insight and candor.

I could only agree more if I was w/ you in the snows of Iowa, instead of Western Pa.

Thanks for the literal history lesson on your state's revered caucus. Explains a lot, actually, of what I already suspected.

All readers should be so kind to themselves to take note. If this election was truly about most qualified, it would be McCain (a sad testimony to the GOP) versus Biden.

As things are, Obama-Biden sounds just right to me.

Posted by: Coach Thumper | August 16, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Biden would be a great choice, likely the best choice.

Posted by: bsmd | August 15, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I think that this would be a great pick in that Obama doesn't have a strong foreign policy record to stand on. Biden is probably the safest pick in my opinion.

Posted by: Perry | August 15, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

The plagiarism charge was political bunk. Yes he didn't credit Kinnock the time he was filmed, but he credited Kinnock EVERYTIME he gave that speech previously. EVERYTIME.

Dukakis even realized it was a non-issue low blow and fired his campaign manager and longtime chief-of-staff who putting the hit piece together.

If this plagiarism charge is the best you got, then you have nothing.

Posted by: Jonze | August 14, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Biden is not perfect, but he comes closer than anyone else to having the qualities and experience necessary to pursue the goals of rational thinking when it comes to decision making in government affairs. He is and was my first choice for our leader, and will make a great vice-president.

I am 72 y.o. and have been interested in politics all my life. Biden stands out as a man who can be trusted to know the facts if he is not lied to. Bush/Cheney lied to us, now we are getting the full story from Susskind. Impeachment is too good for Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield.

Vote Obama/Biden to get us out of this mess and restore our country to accountability and respect.

Patricia P.

Posted by: papyper36@sbcglobal.net | August 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

To those pointing to Biden's finish in the Iowa caucus, as evidence of his lack of support in the Presidential campaign, you are mistaken. The national media, and to a lesser extent the state wide media protrayed the race as Obama and Clinton, with Edwards being Iowa's "favorite son". The coverage in the run up to the caucus was never so lopsided, free media exposure, and the unbelievable amount of money spent by Obama, Clinton, made it difficult for anyone to break into the "top three". However, anyone who thinks that Biden's support in the Iowa caucus was really only 1%, does not understand the caucus system (which is understandable, it's arcane). A candidate could have 14% support of all Democratic caucus goers state wide and not receive a single delegate to the county convention, and their support would be listed as 0, because they never reached 15% at any precinct.

At my caucus Biden was viable and received a delegate. He had 3 and 5 less supporters than HRC and Edwards respectively, so they both received 2 delegates, Biden 1 and Obama 5. At my sisters caucus Biden and Edwards were tied (68 people supported each of them), and HRC had 2 more supporters. She received 2 delegates, Biden and Edwards 1, and Obama 4. HRC had 5 more people supporting her at those two precincts than Biden but received 2 more delegates. At one of the precincts in Coralville, 100 people turned out to support Biden, in 2004 that precinct's total turn out was just over 200 voters. Biden's 100 supporters were 7 supporters shy of reaching viability (7 shy of 15%) so these 100 supporters are not counted towards Biden's Iowa support.

The night before the caucus more people attended a Biden rally in Cedar Rapids than had attended a rally for HRC earlier in the day, but the only media present was the political reporter for the local paper.

Luz's post is a fine example of why Hillary did so poorly in Iowa (just as Biden's support was grossly under represented in % of delegates, Clinton's and Edwards were greatly exaggerated, they picked up the bulk of their delegates in rural communities where 5-7 people was all it took to get a delegate.) The idea that Joe Biden had no business to run for President, because he (and others) only played a part in stopping Hillary is idiotic. Who gave Hillary some ordained right to the Presidency? I liked HRC a lot more before the campaign in Iowa began, than I did by caucus time. The attitude displayed by Lux and other HRC supporters that it was her turn, or her right is the height of Chutzpah, Hillary Clinton would no doubt be a fine President, but the idea that she is better qualified, or has anywhere near Biden's experience is laughable!

Also those who still cling to the idea that an Obama-Clinton ticket is workably, let alone that it would help Obama win, need to realize that HRC, through little fault of her own, is the most polarizing figure in the country. Would she gain votes for Obama? Sure, but she'd lose the ticket far more votes than she'd bring, and these lost votes would not be in NY, CA, and other states that are a lock for the Democratic nominee, but in the swing states, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, MO, etc. I wish it weren't true but it is.

Go Joe!

Posted by: Iowa hawkeye | August 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I DO NOT WANT JOE BIDEN AS V.P.!

I WANT HIM AS PRESIDENT!!!

Send Obama back to his radical church where he can apologize [ if he knows how ]to the Reverend!

Posted by: afed27 | August 14, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I am a die hard democrat now living in houston after 30+ yrs in the north-east
Phila and N J Joe Biden would be a great pick As thedelaware media market is essentialy
Phila we know a great amount of Biden all good A great communicator and a
honest politican to boot What a contrast to
the scum bag Cheyney Go Obama and Biden

Posted by: mohan rao | August 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations Chris. You are a little late to the party, but we won't hold that against you for being a little slow about what the people think about Joe Biden.

There is much more good I could say about Joe, but I will let you read it in tomorrows story - the case Against Joe Biden, which I think is rubbish.

Obama/Biden 08

(Will you move Biden to #1 and drop the Nice Guy - Tim Kaine about 5 spots?
Get rid of Hillary and put Wes Clark in the top 6 along with Chris Dodd (trust me on this) I was right about Biden all along. I know how Obama thinks - he has told us what he is looking for, yet the media pay attention to what they wish?

Posted by: Jerry25 | August 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat through & through therfore Obama is my choice, but I would feel a lot better if Joe Biden is picked. Obamas chances for winning would be tremendous with this choice. I was for Biden right up front & am excited at the prospect of such a ticket.

Posted by: Ida Wass | August 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a great choice; I enthusiastically support the idea.

Colin Powell would be good too.

I oppose the idea of Chuck Hagel. Fine for the cabinet but not as VP; I don't want a Republican to be the first in the line of succession to the presidency.

And, I really hope Obama chooses a Dem of Sec of Defense; I'm tired of people making the assumption that the Republicans are better at managing the military after these past 7 1/2 years.

Posted by: PeninsulaMatt | August 14, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Biden was my first choice in the primaries--smart and capable. For VP, Biden or Nunn, for the depth of experience.

Posted by: Jo | August 14, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I worked for Joe Biden to be the 2008 Democratic Presidential nominee. I still believe he is the most qualified to be our next President. I will vote for the Obama/Biden ticket. I will not vote for Obama/anyone else ticket. Obama is not qualified to be President where as John McCain is qualified to be President. I will not vote for McCain. With Biden as Obama's Vice President Obama can do some good for this country as long as he takes Joe's adivce. Making choices that are best for this country is what a President needs to beable to do and making Joe Biden his VP running mate would be Obama's first.

Posted by: Greendolfn | August 14, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

It would be an interesting match-up if McCain goes for Ridge. Once more, the fight would turn to Pennsylvania. Not sure if either candidate really helps there, but to the base, Biden would be ideal.

Posted by: dch | August 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The problem with a Biden pick for VP is that when the public really gets to know this man they'll start asking themselves why he is not in the top slot. Obama can't afford to have his VP outshine him. If you listened to the candidate debates you know that he's already adopting Joe's foreign policy stance and not the ideas he expessed early on. No, don't waste Joe in this role and make Obama look like the junior he is. We're stuck with him now so let's put someone in there who will enhance him but not steal the spotlight, someone like Chris Dodd. Save Joe for the role he really should play: Secretary of State.

Posted by: Joan Gordon | August 14, 2008 5:47 AM | Report abuse

One other consideration of Biden is sure to become increasingly important as the campaign unfolds, especially if an Obama/Biden ticket emerged victorious in November. Fast forward to any time after Inauguraition Day, and ask yourselves which of these seriously discussed VP candidates would be best positioned to assume the presidency on short notice if we are faced with the unthinkable. If the choices are Bayh, Biden, and a variety of relatively obscure Governors without national experience, who do we trust?

Though I admittedly jumped on the bandwagon long before Obama appeared to have a chance, I am not one of the so-called Obababots who believe the man to be beyond scrutiny or criticism. The doubts about Obama's readiness and experience are not unfounded to the majority of mainstream voters. Should Obama win this election, who among the choices is best prepared to offer needed advice or manage to successfully sway President Obama when he needs advice or should be steered away from "rookie" (in a relative sense) mistakes. Aside from the qualities Senator Biden brings to the trail, his long-winded tendencies may actually serve the country better than we might expect in behind the scenes debates. Biden may tend to the verbose and confrontational when it suits his beliefs, but which of the other likely choices has the personality and intellectual credibility to provided needed advice or criticism when/if Obama needs a sounding board for the most important issues facing this nation in a time of multiple wars and the potential for others looming?

Posted by: EricWmR | August 14, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

Go Biden! For a while I've admired him for his knowledge, fortitude, and refreshing frankness, and I think it would be immensely propitious for our country to have him as VP. Speaking as a Republican, I am not even scared away by his liberal convictions; in fact, he would be one

Posted by: Jennifer McGrady | August 14, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

"For Obama, whose only obvious weakness in the race is his light foreign policy resume..."

How about lack of judgement when it comes to the people he associates with. Resko, Wright, Ayers...whoever he choses for VP.

Posted by: KLF | August 14, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BAN RADIATION WEAPONS! | August 14, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

"to neutralize the Connecticut Senator's well-earned reputation as a skilled attacker."


Joe Lieberman a skilled attacker? Are you kidding? The guy lost his last VP debate to Dick Cheney. Lieberman made Cheney look good.

I would love to see a McCain/Lieberman ticket. The early bird ticket.

Posted by: Scott | August 14, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Biden is OK, but Chuck Hagel is the perfect fit. Biden does not help Obama with the middle to conservative voter. Biden is fantastic, but would be viewed as another Liberal Democrat. Chuck Hagel is a brilliant foreign policy expert without all the attack dog liberal chatter. Chuck Hagel will bring confidence and the independant voter. Hagel is the perfect fit!!!

Posted by: Jamie | August 14, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

I've been saying this literally for months, Chris! Does this mean I win a shirt???

Posted by: SoonerThought.blogspot.com | August 14, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a smart choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Biden's the Man!!!

Posted by: Woody | August 13, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Hoosier Daddy--I'm a dem for McCain as well. There are ALOT of dems like me who can't stomach Obama. I'll vote dem again..but I won't ever vote for the fraud Obama. He's no less a fraud than W. was--I'm just not a hypocrite like you who thinks because Obama is a dem it makes it ok to be a fraud.

Posted by: Patrick | August 13, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Biden=plagiarism. Hope Nobama picks him. Another bad move from a bad man.

Posted by: Patrick | August 13, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

And the best reason of all to nominate Biden...he's not a woman. The Whitehouse and the VP residence is save for yet another term. And he's a good ole boy from DC.


All of this makes it easy for me to vote now for McCain.

Posted by: Tim | August 13, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Biden can bring real excitement to the VP nomination. Evan Baugh--though a "nice guy" type is not a hard hitter---Biden won't allow himself to become toast---He's a fighter and he knows more about foreign policy and McCain than any of the other top choices. More importantly, he can direct the convention away from the Clintons and toward Obama---He's a powerful speaker and a perfect choice to lead into Obama's acceptance the next night.

Posted by: Mary A | August 13, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a Blow-hard.....

Posted by: Todd | August 13, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

From your mouth to God's ear.

"Long winded" is the worst that can be said of him?

It's a POSITIVE on cable tv (MSCM) where the ability to keep from being interrupted is not only the KEY to being heard, but is sorely lacking in Democrats.

But lose the pinned collars, Joe. They scream elitist. Open the collar, NOW!!!

Posted by: Cal Gal | August 13, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Biden is clearly the best choice Obama can make for the reasons you state. Nobody matches his expertise in the full range of issues, likability and debating skills. His only negative is that he doesn't come from a swing state. Obama needs to reassure undecided voters with his V.P. selection and Biden would be ideal.

Posted by: Dan D | August 13, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Biden is articulate, passionate, progressive, and experienced. He would be terrific. Another choice to consider?

BILL BRADLEY! Has the star appeal, the progressive background, national campiagn experience, a low-key demeanor that won't compete with Obama, a neat wife, and an impressive Senate career.

Posted by: CCK | August 13, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Why pick Joe Biden for Veep?

That's easy.

Why not the best?

Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | August 13, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Please,preety please pick Biden!! He is an entity unparalleld by anyone on anybodies long or short list. The man is like pure gold. I wanted him to be president and then went for Obama only because it didn't look like Joe had a chance.
I am praying for this to happen. I will sleep like a baby for the first time since the beginning of this horrendouly ardous, painful odyssesy that began in the primaries.

Posted by: jtannen | August 13, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is very eloquent like Obama. In 1988 the flamboyant senator had to give up the nomination contest when caught plagiarising Neil Kennoct the then leader of the British Labor Party. That recalls me the attack by Hillary camp that Obama plagiarized the current Mass governor. Anti Obama blogs acuse Biden's son for acting not in due process in arresting Larry Sinclair at his press conference in DC, hinting that Joe masterminded this operation.

Posted by: nguyendynasty | August 13, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Joe Biden for VP. Definitely the most qualified for the campaign and the new administration! Go, Joe!

Posted by: Barbara | August 13, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Biben be a great choice.

Posted by: paul | August 13, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Joe Biden for VP. Definitely the most qualified for the campaign and the new administration! Go, Joe!

Posted by: Barbara | August 13, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Biden is the guy. I'm convinced.

He will pull enough votes for Obama in the Philly suburbs to make a difference. I live in the Phila area, and before the Iowa caucuses, whenever I mentioned that I supported Biden, I would get a positive reaction -- akin to "oh yeah, I like him. He'd be good too."

Plus, Scranton will go strongly for Obama-Biden just to get a native-son into national office.

In addition, Biden would basically destroy McCain on foreign policy. Not even close.

Posted by: Jack | August 13, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

It seems like down to these four contenders now:

1) Bayh
2) Biden
3) Sebelius
4) Clark

Kaine is out.

Clinton is still IN some political wing waiting for some strategic analysis before final decision.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Biden and Obama seemed to have a genuine rapport during the primary debates. He is both practical and brilliant on foreign policy.

Biden has the strongest record of advocacy for women's issues in the Senate (see his Violence Against Women Act). Remember, too, that he never endorsed Obama during the primary season, so he didn't upset HillaryLand. He will have the strongest appeal of any potential VP to those rust belt Reagan Dems.

He would be a great pick.

Posted by: NH Dem | August 13, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Joe Biden for VP. I supported him for the nomination, first time I ever gave money to a candidate. He was the star of the debates in my opinion.

Posted by: Bev P | August 13, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I've always liked Biden, and have been for him for President; then I was for Hillary; then I was for Obama.

For those who don't like Biden because he was for the Iraq invasion, I say you should find different voters too, because most of them also supported the Iraq invasion.

I say you don't want to be telling the voters that your candidate is too pure for them. Biden would be a good, subtle message that regular folks are acceptable as voters.

Posted by: Gene Venable | August 13, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dem. for McCain:
Your reasoning is both sickening and frightening.Your the total oxymoron.Democrats for any Republican this cycle suggests that you need to re-evaluate yourself.You either is what you is or you ain't what you ain't.Call youself a Republican and leave it at that.Geez.

Posted by: HoosierDaddy | August 13, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is the best guy available to take on the veep-spot for Obama.His happy warrior attitude and substantive knowledge of issues on all levels gives him credence that few others can match.His ability to deliver the state of Pennsylvania,the Del-Mar-Va region,and points beyond speaks volumes for the Democrats.
Sure,he might talk too much.That's only a problem when you don't know anything...Joe Biden is not guilty of this crime.To say that he is not vetted and seasoned suggests the highest degree of political ignorance.
Go ahead,Barack,pick him.

Posted by: HoosierDaddy | August 13, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama is nothing but a talker. We need somebody that will get things done in the White House. Just because Obama is a good public speaker doesn't mean he's a good leader. Remember, Hitler was a good speaker too. McCain is not perfect, but at least he's not full of himself. I am a Democrat, but I will be voting McCain this year.

Posted by: Dem for McCain | August 13, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama's only chance of winning my vote (and many of my neighbors here in the Philly suburbs) is putting Biden on the ticket. Without Biden it's a good bet that Obama will lose PA (and OH) and ultimately lose the election. Biden may be Obama's only hope!

Posted by: Druid73 | August 13, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Biden is the only candidate who can add to the ticket both in the campaign phase and in the Obama Administration. Biden has a very effective way of hitting hard and smiling all the while. He's the perfect attack bull dog to respond to all the negative attacks coming from McCain and his surrogates. So Obama can keep to the high road, he needs a veep with those skills.

And if you look at the history of the last two outsider democratic presidents, both Carter and Clinton had difficulty learning the ways of DC and getting their programs enacted. Biden knows all the players and is respected. The Obama admin needs to hit the ground running.

Posted by: Optimyst | August 13, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cilliza,

Four years ago the Democratic party's convention theme for the Wednesday evening when the VP choice spoke was: A Stronger More Secure America. The VP choice was John Edwards he was not necessarily a huge foreign policy buff. If that happened four years ago who says that would not happen again this year.

Posted by: Raymond | August 13, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Realizing that any VP choice Obama makes is going to be criticized for inane reasons-- “Well…20 years ago he said the sky was blue on a cloudy day, so how can HE be trusted.”—I believe Biden offers the best options. He has a depth of foreign policy knowledge and experience that few other known players can match which would be an asset that Obama alluded to in a recent interview outlining his thinking in choosing a running mate. Which leads to what I think is necessary at this point for Obama---to partner with someone who IS a known political figure. There is just not enough time to introduce a younger governor or senator, who may help carry their state, and besides Obama’s campaign network is (has become) more effective in voter registration and turnout. And no one else in national politics is as glib and as quick at countering the McCain garbage truck and being able to do it with a genuine smile. I believe it would be an effective ticket.

Posted by: RS in Washington | August 13, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The democrats will pick Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania as the vp.

Well.

It is clear the the Electoral Map should govern such a choice and this is the best choice given the landscape of geography and options.

You heard it here first.

McCain is actually in an extremely great position given the geography and options - Romney is perfect on both accounts. Extremely few candidates have the ability to carry two significant states with Michigan and Nevada Romney is perfect. In addition Romney brings an important Economic Resume Strength to the ticket which is ....... words can not describe how it is.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | August 13, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Biden's a good man and by far the best choice for the job. Watch the Charlie Rose interviews with Biden on YouTube if you don't know the guy.

Posted by: justicat | August 13, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

An all black ticket of Obama/Powell would be unbeatable. Biden has foreign policy chops and better bills than McCain during his time in Senate. Richardson while a little bland in English, is not in Spanish, has foreign policy and treasury chops. A McCain/Romney ticket leaves Texas and Florida vulnerable. The battleground states of MI, PA, FL, OH and VA will decide the election. Obama needs 2 and McCain 4 to win the electoral college.

Posted by: Jimbo | August 13, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Russia actually has an air force to fight back. Redneck would never attack a country with an air force that could fight back. Redneck loves to set chillen on fire from 40 grand for Jesus and the American Way. Vietnam War veteran here. You got NOTHING to say to the Ruskies. Maybe you can train some more Islamic extremists to kill them again like you trained bin Laden to kill Ruskies in 79? How's THAT working out for you REDNECK?

Posted by: bob II | August 13, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I guess a plagarist might make an empty suit look better. BO could sure use the help.

Posted by: Cecil | August 13, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Biden voted for Iraq - with Hillary

Like Kerry, Dodd, Daschle, Edwards, Rockafeller, Schmer


Obama was a done nothing know nothing in Illinois - didn't even vote


He's a dumb bell curve xeroxing cheat


Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Biden has two things that would hamper the ticket - the plagarism charge from a few years ago, and the fact he loves the microphone. He can pontificate with the best of them. A fine man to be sure, but would hurt the ticket IMO.

Posted by: Bob | August 13, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse


HELLO ?

Obama's only obvious weakness is his weak foreign policy resume???

WHAT RESUME ??


The man is a done nothing, with no record who cheated his way to eveywhere he's gotten. Including this PRESUMPTIVE nomination.


OBAMA IS CHANGE YOU CAN BARELY KEEP TRACK OF

MUCH LESS "BELIVE" IN


I GUESS WE WANT TWO IN A ROW STUPID GUYS RUNNING THE FREE WORLD

TWO GUYS WHO NEVER HAD TO DO ANYTHING ON THEIR OWN


ANOTHER PUPPET MAN WITH NO BRAINS


OH YEAH - WE CAN REALLY USE ANOTHER ONE OF THE DUMMIES AT A TIME LIKE THIS


GOD BETTER BLESS AMERICA


BECAUSE IT'S BELIVING IN VERY LITTLE THESE DAYS

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Let me refine my previous position. I am considering a march to the sea and burning Atlanta to the ground for their insolence and non-support of our allie Russia.

Posted by: snObama | August 13, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I personally promise to travel to Georgia and offer my humblest suurender. I look forward to seeing my mentor Jimmy there.

Posted by: snObama | August 13, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I personally promise to travel to Georgia and offer my humblest suurender. I look forward to seeing my mentor Jimmy there.

Posted by: snObama | August 13, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I would LOVE an Obama/Biden ticket!!!

Posted by: dre7861 | August 13, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

You nailed it -- Biden is the best V.P. candidate from just about every angle. It would reflect Obama's "good judgment" to select him. Your case against Biden tomorrrow will be tough to make. OK, he can be to wordy, had a small (and personally innocent) plaigerism incident 20 years ago and he (in good faith and w/o racist intent) referred to Obama as "articulate" -- which he is. Biden would be best for Obama and the best for the country (he is truly presidential quality).

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Biden would be a great pick. Maybe not my top choice, but certainly would help on many levels.

That said, it is an insult to compare him to the treacherous, borderline personality Lieberman. He has taken on a party that gave him the VP nomination and sold his soul for a senseless war to back the worst president in US history, whom he ran against in 2000.

Lieberman, like Dennis Miller, is one of those guys whose logic circuits blew on 9/11. Most of us have recovered our sanity and our angry with how Bush/Cheney manipulated our fears, but Lieberman wants to dig us deeper into disaster.

Biden would never be the fool or turncoat the Lieberman is. McCain picks Lieberman at his own peril. As the Baron Harkonen said, "Never trust a traitor, especially one you created!"

Posted by: AxelDC | August 13, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Ultimately Biden fell well short, a finish that had more to do with his inability/unwillingness to raise the money necessary to compete with the Big Three of Obama, Clinton and former senator John Edwards (N.C.) than his own campaign skills."

I realise I do not have a doctorate in Journalism or Political Science but what was Chris Cillizza smoking when he wrote that line? Unless you have somehow missed the last few years (and by few I mean more years than his average reader has been alive) you know that one of the top if not the top 'campaign skills' is to raise money.

Posted by: Ed B | August 13, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I always thought Biden would be the best choice. But he's not an "executive" from a large state--wasn't that the criteria? That's why I didn't see it happening.

But, nobody can touch his career resume. He will help in Penn and Ohio, just as the article stated. Biden frequently called Rumsfeld and offered war advice. He puts the nation first and has proven the ability to reach across the aisle. He said Obama was "Articulate and clean as a whistle" and Obama is. Obama said he didn't see anything wrong with the comments, so that's a non-issue. The press made a big deal out of it. But we're far beyond that.

Posted by: Black | August 13, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

The Majority kills me with this whole race issue.

Listen minorities that includes everybody who is not part of the majority don't play the "race card", which to me equals majority guilt.

We didn't create the discrimination we are faced with, it is a obstacles which most of choose to overcome. Any of us who a member of minority group would prefer to be judged on our on merits but when face with prejudice we are obligated to address it.

Racism is a serious issues that some people who are not or never have been affected by it should not make light of it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72, you're so bitter . . . and pathetic. Get back in your cave!

Biden? I don't know. He has the national security and foreign policy credentials. Will tow the Obama line? I'm just glad it's not HIllary.

I bet McLame is gonna pick Romney . . .

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Coffee | August 13, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Will McSame be in reality long enough to pick a VP or will his dimentia kick in and he'll pick some dead president like Reagan or Nixon?

Whomever McSame picks will be as crooked as Cheney and Bush.

Obama '08

Posted by: AugustWest1 | August 13, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who can't wait until the day we don't ever have to hear Lieberman's whining voice?

What a turn coat he has become. Why?

Posted by: Voice | August 13, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I see Anonymous from 7:04 pm. Basically Biden voted for the war before he tried to vote against it. By straddling the fence, he now gets to have his cake and eat it too. No - you either for this war or you didn't. Biden's not going to get off that easily and I resent the mock outrage from anti-war people over Bayh when they hold a double standard for Biden.

Posted by: Justin | August 13, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Biden.

He must have a clean record, other than that stupid plagiarism episode, or we would have heard about it.

He is sharp and dedicated.

He has a heart: His first wife and child died.

He knows all of the worlds leaders, personally.

He will fight to protect the social safety nets the elderly depend on in order to not starve or freeze to death.

Unless Biden has some skeletons that the RoveDogs will sniff out, I hope he is the VP.

Posted by: Voice | August 13, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I am a Republican. I donated money to the Biden campaign. I felt that the odds were that we would have a Democratic president thanks to the Bush "legacy". That being the case It was either Biden or Richardson who would make the best Democratic President. And either of them would have had a chance if they had gotten reasonable press coverage As it stands now we have no choice. McCain or Obama ugh! I will vote for Nader. In most situations the VP is put out to pasture and has limited input to the President and thus has no affect on my choice or my vote

Posted by: Al | August 13, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Biden.

He must have a clean record, other than that stupid plagiarism episode, or we would have heard about it.

He is sharp and dedicated.

He has a heart: His first wife and child died.

He knows all of the worlds leaders, personally.

He will fight to protect the social safety nets the elderly depend on in order to not starve or freeze to death.

Unless Biden has some skeletons that the Rove-Dogs will sniff out, I hope he is the VP.

Posted by: Voice | August 13, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

When did Joe give his endorsement to either presidential candidate? Calls were made for him to choose between Hillary and Obama to help calm things down but Joe waited. Why did he wait? Ask the people of Delaware about diversity in that state and the good old boys network? Also, the question isn't what voters that Obama didn't win. The question is what voters did the loser lose.

Posted by: The question is what voters did the loser lose. | August 13, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Casey is also pro-life*

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Senator Joe Biden would be the best choice for Obama's Vice President.

Posted by: D. Woodham | August 13, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

@Toxic Avenger: He has hair plugs because of his aneurysm surgery. Not cool.

@Justin: Biden sponsored the Biden-Lugar Iraq War Resolution, which is the opposite of what Bayh was trying to do. Bayh and Lieberman ended up in the Rose Garden with Gephardt and Bush to support the war and Dennis Hastert's version of the Iraq War resolution. This effectively killed Biden's chance at passing an IWR that required UN involvement and may have stopped the war. There are some important shades of gray here.

Richarson has an Edwards problem, and would help McCain's "Obama is Foreign" attacks. And he had more primary gaffes than Biden.
Kaine is a second slap in the face to the women who supported Clinton. And he might want to be president.
Casey is also pro-choice.
Bayh loves war. And loses a Senate seat.
Edwards is out, if he was ever in.
Sibelius is possible if they go with the "reinforce the strengths" concept.
HRC is a mistake.
Clark has been Simon Peter-ed out of existence.
Dodd, Strickland, Warner, Hagel, & Webb are out according to themselves.

If it's not Chafee, I think the Fix has found the odds-on favorite.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Has everyone forgotten that Biden refered to Barry Hussein as "clean and articulate".

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | August 13, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Wesley Clark.

Posted by: Don Julio | August 13, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

How ironic if true, given how Biden was the first victim of Obama's race card. Remember Biden being attacked for calling Obama "articulate?" Welcome to the new world age where no one can say anything without being attacked as a racist by the Obamas.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | August 13, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Although I like and respect Joe Biden, he has the wrong policies.

Although he is Catholic and of Irish extraction (1/2 at least - the other 1/2 is German), promoting pro-Abortion policies is not consistent with his chosen religion. If he does not agree with the RCC he can choose another religion - the beliefs are not optional and not up for a vote.

With respect to accuracy, Biden's roots are in Delaware, not PA. He grew up in Claymont - went to grade school and high school there, college at U of D, etc. The Scranton PA roots are shallow. And he did not have a "hardscrabble" up-bringing as is implied - he was not poor or downtrodden by any stretch of the imagination. I grew up in the same neighborhoods and went to the same schools. Solid middle class - no "significant" struggle at all - just the routine struggle to succeed. If that's hardscrabble, then 50% of the US is such.

All of this info is available on Wikipdedia and in his autobiography - I am surprised at the lack of research in the article. Please hold off on the Horation Alger, boot-strap angle, as it is not true.

If you are trying to make the case that because Biden was born in Srcanton that he'll somehow carry PA as VP nominee, it's a bit of stretch. He'll bring a whopping 3 electoral votes from DE which were going to the Dems anyway.

Posted by: David | August 13, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I think Biden is the most qualified and experienced person for the Job. In fact, he was my personal choice for President and I still feel he is the best candidate. Period. But if he isn't running for President then at least get him in the White House. After all, look who actually ran the country the last eight years! He is a good man!

Posted by: Gary Jardine | August 13, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. She is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Posted by: Dianne72 | August 13, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

What hogwash -- more fork-tongued doublespeak for anyone to claim that Biden would represent "change" according to fervent flacks of his holiness -- just shows once more the hypocrisy and tried and true contortionism of politics is completely familiar to and a way of life with Nobama just as much as with those he smugly points fingers at.

Just More B.S. from a hollow man with an ego as big as John Edwards -- not to mention the complete lack of credibility of the MSM starting with the hacks and poseurs on MSNBC.

If he picks Biden or Dodd or Sebelius et al, he will lose close to 18 million Hillary supporters for sure.

Posted by: Obama & Media Hypocrites | August 13, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I rarely vote democratic and am I am no big Obama fan, but I do like some of what Joe Biden has done and said. I would think about it and maybe go for it.

Posted by: Karl | August 13, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I could see Biden being a credible running mate, but how about Chuck Hagel or Wesley Clark? I think Obama and Hagel would be unbeatable this cycle, although I imagine DNC leadership being averse to putting a Republican one heart beat away from the presidency.

Posted by: McPanse | August 13, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

What hogwash -- more fork-tongued doublespeak for anyone to claim that Biden would represent "change" according to fervent flacks of his holiness -- just shows once more the hypocrisy and tried and true contortionism of politics is completely familiar to and a way of life with Nobama just as much as with those he smugly points fingers at.

Just More B.S. from a hollow man with an ego as big as John Edwards.

If he picks Biden or Dodd or Sebelius et al, he will lose close to 18 million Hillary supporters for sure.

Posted by: Obama & Media Hypocrites | August 13, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Sean B--calling a white person a "cracker" is equivalent to calling a black person the "N" word. It's not acceptable.

Posted by: morningglory51 | August 13, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

He might be an interesting choice. His knowledge of foreign affairs is more than impressive. He might very well bring some reluctant clintonistas on board.

Posted by: dch | August 13, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Biden got no support as a Presidential candidate, so why would he get anymore support as a VP?
Couldn't understand why Kaine was a candidate either, with his anti-abortion stance.

Posted by: morningglory51 | August 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Stop the calls for a WHITE SOUTHERNER as VP. Not that I have anything against my countrymen of the South, but why is that people feel that only a White Southern Cracker is the way to win the Presidency? It hasn't done us all that well to be honest (LBJ, Carter, Gore, and Clinton if you count the general distaste that some...not me...have for him). Further, while the South does make up a chunk of the population, so does the West Coast, the East Coast, the Midwest, and etc. You can slice and dice it so many ways. Calling for a White Southerner is a bunk strategy. A presidential nominee needs to pick a running mate on strengths and contributions as a person not as a geographic cliche. We need a WHITE SOUTHERNER, please.

Posted by: Sean B | August 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Biden would be a great pick.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear Lord, NOT BAYH!!!!! ANYONE but Bayh!
Urgh. Talk about a Quayle redux....

I'm a big Biden fan, as are many of my friends and relatives. And Richardson for Sec. of State!!

Posted by: Maritza | August 13, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I know many, many people who would be happy with Joe Biden. My husband might actually help campaign if Biden were on the ticket. He's not that progressive, but he's a solid, stand up Democrat. His son having gone to Iraq in the service helps. Man, I'd love that pick in terms of electability.

Posted by: Beth in VA | August 13, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Ah, no. Biden has not been selected before because of his plagerism and showmanship. Obama would be going against his new age image. He needs Hillary or he is toast. Just about anyone but Warner who has bowed out would be another reverse in course. He, and his Otarons, sadly, has painted himself into a corner.

Posted by: Tom | August 13, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Bayden is an interesting choice, and if not for VP for a cabinet position. If Obama doesn't pick a former/current governor or a complimentary "young star" like him then he might as well pick someone with experience and credentials that demonstrate his acceptance that he doesn't have to be the smartest/most experienced man in the room to be president. Rather, he needs the judgment to surround himself with such persons, and of course an ability to effectively draw upon such talent. While the former is something 43 was supposed to be known for he wasn't very good at the latter.

Also, Lieberman as a serious choice for McCain's VP? Sure McCain can't win from the right wing base, even if he resurrected J. Christ. However, I'm not sure that after 2000 (and the succeeding 8 years) he has what it takes to make such a bold move. He has moved more and more towards a political style of "do whatever it takes to get elected" a la the Rove style ad campaigns. Anyways, I'm not sure if the Republican Party is really all that in love with the NeoCon brand of hawkishness that Lieberman represents. If McCain really wanted to reach for a bold new direction for the party he'd tap someone like Bloomberg, who while no social conservative, is a proven practitioner and pragmatist. My gut says that McCain's choice will be a conservative (double entendre intended) one, not a far-reaching/forward thinking move...much like a McCain presidency ultimately would turn-out; I fear.

Posted by: Sean B | August 13, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of this refusal to let the plagiarism die the death it should have years ago. As Sen. Biden has explained on numerous occasions, he frequently used the words of the then leader of the British-Labour party, and only failed to cite his words during that one speech, which happened to be videotaped. It was an honest mistake and should in no way diminish the good that Sen. Biden has performed for the Democratic party and for the Country.

He was the right choice for President in '88, he would have been a great choice for President in '08, and he will make a great Vice President for 2009-2017.

Obama/Biden '08!

Posted by: sjh | August 13, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Mr. "Open-foot-insert-mouth"? No way.

Posted by: tellthetruth | August 13, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes, please pick Biden, the human hair-plug experiment!

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | August 13, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I have been advocating for Biden for some time. He is smart, well-versed on issues of both domestic and foreign policy, is not just another rich white guy and, as such, identifies with everyday American citizens, is a Catholic with Scranton roots. If someone wants to bring up plagerism, we can also have a discussion about adultery and financial scandal on the other side. Obviously, at some point, Americans forgive transgressions or no one would ever run for office.

Posted by: stroud | August 13, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Don't tease me, Chris. I would be so unbelievably happy if he picked Biden, but if we talk about it and then he doesn't pick him it will make the other pick feel like a let-down.

My plan is to not care who gets picked so at least I'm not disappointed.

It should be Biden, though.

Posted by: Grueschenka | August 13, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Biden has even more baggage than Bayh. And both supported the war. Bayh's membership to the Iraq liberation committee with Lieberman and McCain is no worse than Biden just being a Senator who voted for the war. So Biden is my 2nd choice. I think Sam Nunn would piss off gays and lesbians too much, and liberals even more than Bayh would, and he's too old to want to campaign like that anyway.
Chris, I think Bayh being ambitious for the Presidency is a good thing. From part of a private memo of mine from early July:
II) Projection and Planning.

If either Biden or Nunn are chosen as VP just a few weeks from now, then in 2016 Obama will not be leaving an heir apparent - so Mark Warner, Bayh, Feingold, and maybe an unrelenting Hillary, will all be fighting for the nomination. This could bode ill for the party’s chances that Nov. (to put it mildly), especially if Obama’s administration has weathered some rough years. An incumbent Vice President as the nominee would have a built-in advantage over the eventual, Republican challenger. Otherwise, it’s a level playing field, at best. By not having an heir apparent, Obama risks more than he has to, having happen to him what happened to Bill Clinton, where George Bush came in and undid all the hard work he had done, and ruining the progress he’d made. This has driven Clinton half-crazy. He’s become a bitter, old man reduced to taking his frustrations out on his own party’s nominee, saying Barack can “kiss my ass”. Tragic …..

Obama has the chance to become the first democratic President since FDR to have another Democrat succeeded him, beyond the first term. If he secures a successor with the vp slot now, then there’s a higher probability that Obama’s legacy will be preserved and expanded upon once he leaves office, so that he can end up going down in history as a greater, rather than good, President. A Vice President Evan Bayh would be a ripe, 61 years old on the morning of January 20th, 2017, and the most qualified President-elect in modern U.S. history. All thanks to his predecessor.

Posted by: Justin | August 13, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Or consider this:

Russia murders, Bush hangs out with cute beach volleyballers.

Russia murders, McCain sleeps.

Posted by: jchaney | August 13, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

If you were running for Prez would you choose the 'Shetland Pony' or the 'Pulling Horse' to help you pull all the logs our current Prez has left in the woods?

I'd go with the "Pulling Horse"!

Senator Joe Biden for sure!

Posted by: Jazziette | August 13, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Biden is that he tends to be verbose. That could be a distraction for Obama. Other than that, I concur that Biden would be an excellent choice. That said, Nunn and Hagel would also be excellent choices, with teh former being the better of the two. Overall, Hagel is too conservative. However, why not take a page out of the GOP playbook and have a moderate Repub speak at the DNC convention? Wouldn't hurt when you're trying to secure more Repub/Independent votes. It's virtually a given the Obama needs a Midwesterner or Southern white male on the ticket.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | August 13, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Russia murders.

Obama buys popcorn at the movies.

Judgement?

Posted by: Lisa | August 13, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE! Not Joe Biden. What has he ever done in the primaries before?
We need a white southerner with STRONG defense and FOREIGN POLICY credentials -

SAM NUNN

Posted by: TomHERE | August 13, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I see no mention of the biggest asset of all. If Obama chose Biden as his VP, it would vindicate Obama's claim that in lieu of experience, he has the judgment to be president. Choosing Biden would prove that Obama knows his own weaknesses and is prepared to accept the fact that others have more expertise than he in many areas. A choice like Bayh, on the other hand, would suggest that Obama believes that his message is all that is necessary to lead, which is unfortunately untrue.

Posted by: Will | August 13, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Biden would be a great choice, in fact he would make a much better president than Obama.

Posted by: DCDave | August 13, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Biden would be an excellent choice. The man is familiar with the legislative process, and is very very quick on his feet.

And he is a decent egg as well - he rides the train into DC just about every day, and unlike McCain, knows the world from the ground up.

Posted by: Daniel | August 13, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I would totally vote for the ticket. I am a lifelong Democrat; and have given money to McCain, because the way the elites treated Sen. Clinton. Put Biden on and I will vote for the ticket.

Clinton supporter in the NC

Posted by: Andrew | August 13, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

>>>> No, Obama must pick a qualified woman as his veep to make many Hillary supporters feel that their efforts to elevate a woman were not in vain. Clinton and Obama don't appear to have adequate chemistry to run together, so Obama must find another strong woman to help him: Gov. Sebelius, Sen. McCaskill, one of Maine's GOP female senators if they are interested in backing a winner, Sen. Landrieu, Calif. Rep. Jane Harman (daughter of immigrants, intelligence background, Jewish), Calif. Rep. Susan Davis (4-termer, Armed Services Committee member; Jewish.

Posted by: Richard | August 13, 2008 5:38 PM <<<<<

Jane Harman is your qualified women to be your veep. Not in another 200 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Ron: I believe that would make Biden 74 when it would be his turn. Too old for a presidential run? Clinton would still have to be the favorite for 2016, if we happen to be fortunate enough to get 8 years of an Obama presidency. Then we can see Hillary Clinton run against Jeb Bush.

Posted by: jchaney | August 13, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I am an Obama supporter, but if he picks Joe Biden to be his running mate, I not only will vote for McCain, I will contribute to his campaign and actively campaign for him. Biden has been the chief sponsor of the violence against women act (VAWA), which is an extremely anti-male piece of legislation that does virtually nothing to curb violence against women. Instead it is used to facilitate the imposition of restraining orders on men and have them removed from their children and their homes without the opportunity to defend themselves in a court of law - guilty til proven innocent. In divorce cases where this ploy is often used, this not only ensures that Dad will be limited to supervised 'visitation' with his own children every other weekend, or not at all, it will also lead to him losing his job if that job requires him to carry a weapon, as it does if he is a policeman.
If Senator Biden were really interested in reducing violence, he would have some of the money directed towards the primary causes of violence - substance/alcohol abuse and economic dislocation. To date billions have been spent on this ineffective bill that often leads to unconstitutional acts, and none has been spent on these underlying causes; that's right, not one red cent. Instead it has been more of a sop to the radical feminists who are very much a special interest group in the Democratic Party. To make matters worse, Biden is now proposing a $55 million add on to pay the lawyers to get these unconstitutional restraining orders put into place. These lawyers, of course, are another special interest group in the Democratic Party.
Millions of other divorced men like me who believe they have been abused by the legal system could trace at least some of that abuse to this anachronistic bill. Many could be like me who believe that for the first time in a long, long time we have two good candidates, and will be swayed by whom these candidates choose as their running mates. I suggest that Senator Obama choose Chris Dodd or Evan Bayh as his running mate because they are more honorable, are less of a gas bag, and are less inclined to 'borrow' the words of others without recognizing them.

Posted by: Ken | August 13, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

with joe biden there could be no better choice,he's very adepth and astute in foreign policy than anyone in congress.he's a man the republicans will fear as well as the clintons because he throws a monkey wrench in hillary's plans in eight years for the presidency if the obama ticket is elected in november.

Posted by: ron | August 13, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

joe biden not only is the best candidate for vice president, he was always the best candidate for president. too bad oprah and iowa upset the democrats' wagon. nearly a a year ago www.straightrecord.com/20082 laid out the best way to consider a presidential candidate and joe biden topped the list for democrats, john mccain among republicans. i don't need your counter-argument tomorrow.

Posted by: jumpingelephant | August 13, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Good choice! He could bring some class to what seems to be heading for a disgusting Convention with the antics of Billary and Dumbo.

Posted by: Bullmountaininc | August 13, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Doug T: How about near-beer? Or I'll drink his beer AND my beer, and he can have tea or whatever.

Posted by: jchaney | August 13, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

No, Obama must pick a qualified woman as his veep to make many Hillary supporters feel that their efforts to elevate a woman were not in vain. Clinton and Obama don't appear to have adequate chemistry to run together, so Obama must find another strong woman to help him: Gov. Sebelius, Sen. McCaskill, one of Maine's GOP female senators if they are interested in backing a winner, Sen. Landrieu, Calif. Rep. Jane Harman (daughter of immigrants, intelligence background, Jewish), Calif. Rep. Susan Davis (4-termer, Armed Services Committee member; Jewish.

Posted by: Richard | August 13, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The pick of Joe Biden would surely make the Council on Foreign Relations happy.

Posted by: Chris Dunning | August 13, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Pelham1861: You should consider that a Biden-Lieberman matchup will be as exiting as the collision between The Planet and The Zebra. And whom would you choose over Biden? Or are you a Republican and therefore more or less opposed to any Democratic choice? (Hey, we have to choose someone!)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Biden voted for Iraq war.

Because of people like Biden voted for Iraq war; oil hit $145 p/barrel, it means Bin Laden dream fulfilled, he forcasted $142 p/barrel 12 years ago. Bin Laden won. America lost. Simple.

US economy is in free spin now which may never recover. Now you want Biden as your VP.

What else you are waiting for?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Biden would be a great president....sorry...vice president. I met him several times during the primaries and voted for him although he had already dropped out by the time the voting reached my state.

Joe would pass the "have a beer with..." test except that Joe doesn't and has never drank.

Posted by: Doug T | August 13, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I wish Cillizza had considered the question of how Biden might help Obama with the over-65 crowd. I can certainly see the point that he would be able to counter McCain's (actually rather weak) foreign policy credentials. And it would be good for Obama to have a running mate who could hit back hard in response to negative attacks. If Obama chooses Biden, I do hope McCain chooses Lieberman, because it would be fun to watch the two of them square off. (Yes, I'm in favor of injecting some fun into this process!)

Posted by: jchaney | August 13, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, Joe Biden who denegrated our nation on any number of instances during Judiciary Committee witchhunts of conservative nominees. No integrity.

The same Joe Biden that claims to have every answer for every foreign policy issue...except of course no-one listens to him (i.e., President's Clinton, Bush, Reagan,etc.) A Blowhard

The same Joe Biden who apparently has served for 36 years but somehow has never advocated a strong policy of energy independence? No vision and no guts.

Umm, the same Joe Biden who voted against the Clinton Impeachment even though he admitted the President committed perjury? No guts, no integrity, no nothing.

And finally, the same Joe Biden, foreign policy expert, who was wrong on the Cold War, wrong on the Pershing Missle Deployments in 1983 that ultimately helped slay the Soviet Union, who was wrong about Democracy spreading in El Salvador or the same Joe Biden who made jokes about the 'slave state of Deleware' that Lincoln ignored in the Civil War. Blowhard, fool, anti-American, in-the-pocket of lobbyist career office-holder.

Yep, he'd be a great selection. sheezzz.

Posted by: Pelham1861 | August 13, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Biden would have been the Democratic nominee but he approved of the Iraqi occupation to privatize its oil. For the same reason, he won't be vice president either, a fundament difference from the next president of the United States who thinks we shouldn't spend a billion a week to make hundreds of billions in oil contracts for Big Oil America!

Posted by: bob II | August 13, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman likes to attack fellow Democrats. When he was Gore's VP pick, he was a big smiling, pussycat in his debate with his ideological sole mate, Dick "Darth Vader" Cheney.

Posted by: RobRoy1 | August 13, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden would be a great capable pick.

However, is he part of the "change" message or too entrenched in Washington??

Posted by: rln | August 13, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

If Biden's the veep, thank your lucky stars that Schumer's not the president, or no one in the USA would be able to get a word in edgewise for a minimum of 4 years.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 13, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

lisa-link or it didnt happen!

jay spartan-the governor of delaware is a democrat, joe biden's son would be appointed, also biden himself is up for re-election and is expected to win.

Posted by: fix referee | August 13, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

theaz,

You don't seem to be much of a follower of the Supreme Court. Thurgood Marshall would be surprised to hear that Clarence Thomas was the first and only African American to serve.

Posted by: gingergene | August 13, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I do not think anyone Barack chooses will help him much. Only Hillary would significantly hinder his chances.

The key for Obama is he needs to be more assertive in responding to the rubbish being thrown at him by McCain, Lieberman and other Republicans. He has been too complacent and is appearing increasingly weak as a potential president.

Posted by: Independent | August 13, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama was so awesome a year ago.

What the hell happened?

Posted by: TryinToDecide | August 13, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I think Biden would be a great asset to Obama. I voted for Biden in the primary and would like to see his no-nonses on the campaign trail. Obmam-Biden o8

Posted by: Jack | August 13, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

DENVER - Thousands of delegates, politicians, supporters and protesters are expected to descend upon Denver for the Democratic National Convention in two weeks. One thing they may not find is a ride around town due to a lack of limousines.


"Everyone wants a limo, but you can only supply so many," said Gene Cookenboo, president of the Limousine Association of Colorado and owner of Presidential Limousine, the largest limo service in Denver.

According to records, 271 limo companies are registered at DIA. However, Cookenboo says the majority of those companies only have one to three cars. It comes at a time when limo companies are expected to make 125 runs a day during the DNC compared to 80 during a normal week.

"We're simply running out of cars," said Cookenboo.

Posted by: Lisa | August 13, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The obvious case against Biden:

1. He actually is not smart about foreign affairs. Consider: His strenuous opposition to the surge and his proposal to divide Iraq in three as the only way to bring peace to the country. Would have led to unbelievable civil war and ethnic cleansing rather than the progress achieved.
He also apposed the anti-ballistic missile program--a program that is looking pretty good right now vis avis N. Korea, Europe and defense of Israel.

2. He is an admitted plagiarist and he lied twide about his law school grades. One of those times was recorded by CSPAN in an angry exchange with a voter in NH.

3. After the John Edwards lies the last thing the Dems need is another lying candidate. The GOP will have a field day with Biden.

Posted by: ted kensington | August 13, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Biden would have been the Democratic nominee if he opposed the Iraq occupation to privatize its oil but he doesn't and he has never changed although he now says he thinks partitioning Iraq like Yugoslavia would be good, making Ray Hunt's oil contract from Kurdistan legal since it is still part of Iraq. Notice Republicans and even AP, which has no competition any longer, calls Kurdistan autonomous now. It isn't. That's just wrong. Biden won't be the VP either I don't think because he and the next president of the United States fundamentally disagree about spending a billion a week to kill Iraqis for oil contract profits. Biden would easily have been the nominee but he always supported overthrowing Iraq for Big Oil.

Posted by: bob II | August 13, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

joe biden-he's the vp choice, then its like bringing a AK 47 to a knife fight! now my hope is he brings along the blue collar workers of southern ohio or west virgina. the only beef i would have with that is, who would fill his senate seat if he wins? isnt the gov of delaware a repub? or who's on the bench that can take that seat?

Posted by: jay spartan | August 13, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

OLD WRINKLEY WHITE GUY.

YEAH, GREAT PICK.

Posted by: Lisa | August 13, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is a no good Demented Dem:

1. 1988 campaign ended when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party.

2. Chairman of the Judiciary Committee that held the smear hearing over Clarence Thomas nomination to the Supreme Court as the first and only African American.

Obviously a man of very poor character!

Posted by: theaz | August 13, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I think that Biden was a great democratic candidate. He has the brains, experience and down to earth common sense for the job. With Joe on the ticket I think Obama would landslide McCain. Particularly, because Joe knows all there is to know, politically, about John McCain.

Posted by: Ward6ForNow | August 13, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

anonymous(possibly a puma fanatic, or zouk again)-thanks for citing the polls but any sane person only worries the poll that takes place on election day.

Posted by: jay spartan | August 13, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Luz and other Hillary fanatics. Get a life. Its not going to Hillary and Bill.

In a more serious tone, I do not think a member of Congress will be selected unless that member is not standing for reelection. I think important to preserve and ensure Democrat majorities in the Senate and the House.

Posted by: Peter | August 13, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

TowSucker:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line

I think you are playing the troll & towing a line, looking for bites.

Posted by: bsimon | August 13, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm only adding this comment in the hopes that the Obama campaign sees all the enthusiam out there, but I would absolutely love for Biden to be VP. As a white male in a swing state, consider my "Apalachian" vote to be for Obama if he takes Joe.

Posted by: Pick JB | August 13, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Biden and Dodd had no business to run for President except to stop Hillary. Richard and Edwards also played a big part in stopping the Hillary nomination. Frankly, we find it demeaning and hope that none of the above are named. Hillary should be the pick and would help Obama win the ticket.

Posted by: Luz | August 13, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

lex silia, you must be the idiot. It is "tow" not "toe." Look it up.

Posted by: TowSucker | August 13, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"And, the notoriously loquacious Biden -- and his campaign team -- has been preternaturally quiet over the past few weeks, a silence that is fueling rumors that he is the pick."

Now there's a sentence worthy of a reporter for the Washington Post. I love it!

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 13, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

@ DEXTERGIRLEY (You're not a Redskins fan, obviously!)

Well, considering that I'm allergic to over the counter cold medication, I don't see how I could very well tolerate meth as pseudoephedrine is its principal ingredient. I have seen people under its effect, though, and they act quite a bit like Joe Biden did in the debates.

Maybe I got the quote wrong (I don't think I did) but I wasn't too far off, was I?

I don't dig the fence idea. That's my opinion. And it's as valid as any of your own opinions.

He has been right on managing the "peace" in Iraq. I'll give him that. But it's not a plan that Obama could ever put forward if Obama wants to get a budget passed. He also can't implement the plan without serious negotiations with Iran and the Turks which Biden hasn't really covered in so much detail.

There are strategic and tactic reasons in the campaign as to why he's a bad choice but that's boring to me anyway.


Posted by: DexterManley | August 13, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Biden would be a good choice. It would be even better if Biden were given the dual role of VP and Secy of State

Posted by: george s | August 13, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Given the advantage that Putin has given to McCain by attacking Georgia, Obama more than ever needs a VP with strong defense credentials.

Posted by: Bodo | August 13, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The only case against a Biden selection as VP is that Biden is more qualified to be president than Obama.

Posted by: jorta615 | August 13, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

As much as I didn't want to admit it, as much as I campaigned for John Edwards, Obama is simply the right man for this time. He can do great things.

He can begin to lift us from the quagmire caused by an administration that will no doubt be judged by legitimate historians and objective observers as the most destructive, incompetent and deceptive in our republic's short lifespan.

First, in order to position himself to mop up mess after mess left by Bush/Cheney, Obama must survive this lengthy and nasty general election process.

There are some incredibly influential people who stand to lose should Obama triumph.

These financial giants and war mongers will not give up control without a bare-knuckled fight, as evidenced by their current puppet, McCain's, violent shifts towards offshore drilling and embracing of the far-right dogma he shunned as a "maverick" for so many years.

For Obama to not only succeed, but do so convincingly, he must provide himself legitimacy and leverage to perform these tall tasks.

He needs a veteran by his side to FIGHT for change - not just one who can talk about it or symbolize it by some prima facia perception like governors Tim Kaine, the presumptive favorite, or Kathleen Sebelius.

Obama is smart, tenacious and has surrounded himself with seasoned advisors. He has earned trust and endured more attacks in nine months than Bush has in eight years. Obama has shown he's able to carry the burden - and fear - of change on his own bony yet sturdy shoulders.

That said, in a running mate, Obama needs an attack dog. He needs foreign policy gravitas. He needs someone with raw guts.

A politician who can talk milk and potatoes with grocery shoppers while explaining the real dangers of Pakistan to cynical crowds at the local VFW post.

We've had eight years of unchecked hubris. Why not some hubris from the left now?!?

Bayh, Kaine, etc., in this regard, bring little to the table except to try and turn a red state to blue and gather up some key independents and jaded Republicans.

It's our turn, Dems, and we need somebody who has scratched and battled for change for years. That is not "same old beltway politics", that is experience FOR change and the know-how to back it up.

That said, my top three picks for who would clearly be Obama's most effective campaigner AND staunch assistant executive are as follows: Joe Biden, Joe Biden and Joe Biden.

The man is passionate, experienced and noble. He single-handedly neutered Rudy Gulliani and exposed "America's Mayor" for the manipulating the fears and anxieties of the 9-11 attacks for his political gain.

Joe Biden gives Obama, not only a safety net that Bayh or Kaine might provide, but a springboard to go and do the great things that must be done in these next four turbulent years.

Posted by: Coach Thumper | August 13, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should go read the editorial in the Financial Times Biden worte yesterday about Russia/Georgia.

He gets these countries better than anyone in Washington.

Period.

Unlike McCain who says he knows the guy whose name he got wrong...for 25 years (go check out how old the President of Georgia is and scratch your heads what McCain was doing hanging out with a 16 year old?)

Posted by: dl | August 13, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

My first choice has always been Richardson but Biden works. Better than Blah.

Posted by: Sara B. | August 13, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

After reading this and knowing what you will say for the counterargument, Biden is the best choice.

He has good strengths and would be an outspoken campaigner for Obama. This pick would give everybody more confidence in the Democrats, because Biden can make a good argument.

Posted by: cstarr | August 13, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"If I hear the words "unable to close the deal" one more time I am going to scream. "

My vote is for "gives a good speech" It's amazing how people have started looking on eloquence as a NEGATIVE.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 13, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"there is no case for biden, while he is on the money with the issues and the realities of the issues, he has no problem towing the party line and partisonship wich makes him arrogant and a loser..."

It's "toe the line", not "tow the line". You're an idiot.

Posted by: lex silia | August 13, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

If I hear the words "unable to close the deal" one more time I am going to scream. I could care less whether Obama is up on a day to day basis by 2 % points or 20 % points. The fact is, he is steadily holding his lead over super politician McCain and I am sure the lead will gradually grow as the election grows closer. Especially if he chooses Biden (or any other experienced foreign policy guru) as his running mate. Come November and Obama wins, then it means more people voted for him than his opponent. Which means (duh) he closed the deal. Enough said.

Posted by: redstar | August 13, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What I always thought was interesting about the dip in the RCP average was that they completely ignored a Research 2000 poll conducted at the same time as the USA Today/Gallup poll that showed McCain at +4%.

The Research 2000 poll had Obama up 51-39, which is no more of an outlier than having McCain up by 4.

Always thought that was odd.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

Posted by: JamesCH | August 13, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is the real McCoy. He brings maturity, experience,foreign policy expertise, personality and a good sense of humor. I've got my fingers crossed!

Posted by: TRF649 | August 13, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Chris Dodd have the same positives, without the negatives?

Screen Name:

Beltway Nate
Chevy Chase, MD

Posted by: Nathaniel Spiller | August 13, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has reopened the RCP gap to 4.6%, with only Rasmussen showing less than a 3% lead. And, seeing as how Rasmussen has been about as accurate as a magic 8-ball during this election cycle, I'm not so sure that it's worth using."

Yeah, the average was really weighted down by that +4 McCain blip that came out of nowhere. That one has finally disappeared.

Although that poll has served to be a useful stumping tool. It's nice to show people a "registered voter" poll that has Obama winning next to a "likely voter" poll that has McCain winning and then telling these people how McCain is relying on them not to show up to the polls. I think its been a powerful motivating tool in increasing turnout.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 13, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Why not pick, susquatch as the running mate. Hear they will prove he exist this weekend, just in time to kick off the convention. This mindless babble gives credence to a curcus sideshow....loons

Posted by: Winnie | August 13, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

no one has mentioned that Biden is particularly qualified to communicate with the Scots-Irish males of Appalachia and similar sociological groups. We know that hose voters are particularly needed for filling the gaps in Obama's fan club and will make a lot of difference in the vote count.

Posted by: wrddctr | August 13, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Boy, Alex H really delivered a thorough and intelligent dissection of this potential veep candidate and the Democratic nominee. Gee, I wonder how I got through the day without his wisdom before.
[/heavy sarcasm]
Biden would be an interesting pick for veep. He has his liabilities, as Chris will doubtless note tomorrow, but he has an awful lot of strengths, many of which offset Obama's weaknesses.
It would be a powerful ticket... Alex H's dazzling critique notwithstanding.

Posted by: DB | August 13, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Biden's mouth is undesirable, but he does have solid foreign policy credentials and would provide a good match to Obama's more elevated speaking style. Biden is a tough guy who could bring in moderates.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | August 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Biden would be a great pick. The Republican party is vulnerable on security after the last eight years. McCain is getting all the rope he needs to hang himself with on this Georgia issue. Do you think we would be standing around sucking our thumb if we were not so overwhelmingly bogged down in Iraq? Why the hell did we encourage the Georgians to contribute 2000 troops to Iraq if they were having a crisis with the Soviet Union? Why did we not warn the Georgians about the Russian troops on their border? Can no one in the Republican party get anything right on security? George Friedman of Stratford (a conservative Republican) makes the case for a real mess. Can we afford more of the McSame in office. Friedman’s article is a must read…..

http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2008/08/russogeorgian_war_and_balance.html

Biden is a must pick!

Posted by: bradcpa | August 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

re: The narrow poll numbers

The narrow margin of the polls, which incidently show Obama with a cotniuing slim lead, are shown to be almost entirely due to the over 65 crowd's overwhelming support for McCain. These seasoned citizens apparently believe that McCain wont cut their Medicaid and Medicare benefits and will leave their Social Security intact. So...it's apparent to me that the vast majority of people over the age of 65 suffer a severe loss of intellectual capacity. Either way, they loose. If McCain somehow does win, their "entitlements" will be cut ruthlessly. If Obama wins, they get to keep those benefits, but...hey, Obama wins.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 13, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama has often praised Reagan for leading a revolution. Reagan was also an outsider, but he choose an established insider (Bush I) to run with. That helps ease concerns about Reagan.

Given that this campaign is a referendum on Obama, he could get away with picking Sebelius or Kaine, but the safe play is Biden.

The great unknown is chemistry.

Posted by: JR, Boston | August 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

When Biden was out there talking, everyone accused him of auditioning for the VP spot. Now that he hasn't been out there, he must be somehow auditioning for the VP spot. I'm confused.

Posted by: Chris | August 13, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

there is no case for biden, while he is on the money with the issues and the realities of the issues, he has no problem towing the party line and partisonship which makes him arrogant and a loser...

Posted by: dwight | August 13, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

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Biden and hussein share one key characteristic: they are both so lacking in honesty and ethics they blatantly plagiarize the words of others.

The many, many plagiarized speeches of Biden have been well documented. He not only plagiarized Americans, but British politicians as well. He's a true international plagiarizer.

hussein, of course, is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes. His many plagiarized speeches have also been documented.

Yep, the character of these two is as pathetic as it gets- they deserve one another; America deserves neither.

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Posted by: ALEX H. | August 13, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Per usual, Anonymous is off topic and presents no verifiable sources, links or sound reasoning for the ever present tirade. Now back OT.

No doubt tomorrow will bring up the 1988 "Neil Kinnock" incident where Biden was accused of "stealing' lines from the then Labor Party leader when Baroness Thatcher was P.M in Britain. For the record, he cited Kinnock every time except the once it was caught on video. If anyone wants a fair bio of Biden, I post the link to Wikipedia below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

Joe continues to be a "lecturer" on Constitutional Law at Widener University Law School in Brandywine 100 north of Wilmington, DE. He gets along famously with his counterpart on the Foreign Relations Committee, Dick Lugar. He is a product of the Delaware school of bi-partisan politics where disagreement is heard, but, in the main, with great civility. See Pete du Pont in Wikipedia, as well, for a description of that far too rare mode of governing.

This voter can't help but think his talent is wasted on the Vice-Presidency especially when DE will go for Obama anyway and has only 3 electoral votes. Bayh, on the other hand, is a lackluster campaigner and not nearly as quick on his feet.

Many voters, including this one, can't fathom how Biden never gained the traction to get the nod. His background is without peer as is his character. We'll see Chris' "neagatives" tomorrow, but other than the "Kinnock" incident above and a tendency to get rather longwinded, I don't see any. Let's have it Chris, we're waiting!

Posted by: Go Blue Hen, Go! | August 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I'd drink a beer with him. Plus the dude comes off as smart as heck and tough as nails. Once we were done with our beers I'd feel great about having him on my side in a bar fight. If you pass those two tests you should be VP.

Posted by: Joe | August 13, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I think the funniest thing is...how when it was clear that Hillary was out of the running really...Biden did things like sit next to her at the State of the union and speak highly of her even then... and refrained from dissing her or asking her to step out.

His counterparts on this short list for VP...who supported her when she was the presumptive candidate back a year ago when they thought she would be President... ...suddenly got very quiet if they thought they would be on the short list.

Is that not funny.

As I have said for months...anyone who heard Obama speak as many times as I have and answer q and a's would have realized a long time ago he was going to pick the person who has the most knowledge about the issues that presently are weighing on the country...so I thought 6 months ago this is a guy like a really good CEO who is going to pick the braintrust he needs on his team...and that had to mean Biden or Dodd.

Posted by: dl | August 13, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Biden would be a GREAT choice for VP. He would fill the foreign experience gap for Obama.

Magoo has no VP option that would even come close.

Posted by: I'mSidin'withBiden | August 13, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I've felt (since Biden dropped out) that Richardson would be good as VP and Joe as Sec of State, but I wouldn't feel uncomfortable if the roles were reversed.

Posted by: EricHayes | August 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

Thanks for the obvious cut and paste, considering that all of your information is a week old.

Obama has reopened the RCP gap to 4.6%, with only Rasmussen showing less than a 3% lead. And, seeing as how Rasmussen has been about as accurate as a magic 8-ball during this election cycle, I'm not so sure that it's worth using.

Posted by: JamesCH | August 13, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is probably the best choice out there. He's clearly someone who could lead the country. He's a guy who's been dealing with the ins and outs of every policy issue we are going to face. And he can go face to face with Republicans -- not because he's an "attack dog," but because he knows the issues.

Choosing Biden would definitely prove once and for all that Obama is all about smart policy choices and not just a flash in the pan.

Posted by: TimT | August 13, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The column makes two excellent points, and two absurd ones.

Dead right on foreign policy, of course, and Biden's effectiveness as an attack dog. The quote of Biden saying McCain just doesn't get it was a great illustration of how Biden can sound so sensible, and so authoritative on that ground.

But you have to be buried pretty deep in the beltway to swallow that howler about Biden playing as an average joe or beer-drinker to most Americans. God. I have no doubt his people have convinced the beltway boys of this. Sad. So often, it's like watching people from a foreign country puzzle it out and try to guess what Americans are like. Amazing.

And charisma. He definitely has a depth and can be persuasive, but he is also a huge bore, and it's no mystery that he generated no enthusiasm this year.

Let me restate the odd bit in the column about the 1987 election: It's hard to remember now but back in 1987, the pundits got it wildly wrong as usual, by convincing themselves early on that Biden, of all people, was the guy Americans would respond to. Man, were they wrong, as usual. They just don't get Americans.

Twenty years later, someone is still citing their blunder as evidence? And if you have to reach back that far . . .

Posted by: Dave Cullen | August 13, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I like Biden and was surprised by his recent campaign biography (surely I'm not the only one who read it?) which reveals his strong identification with his own working class roots. All his stories are from the hard-scrabble point of view and not from the perspective of the privileged. He may look like the silver-haired insider from central casting, but that's not who he is inside, and apparently voters know that.

From a really big picture perspective, I wonder if it serves the Democratic party well to have no natural successor to Obama, should he serve two terms. It would be similar to the situation with Bush and Cheney--the race in 2016 would be wide open. But if that's the only problem, I say, let's go for it.

And maybe he'd FINALLY be willing to move to Washington, unless he is planning to become the first commuting VP?

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | August 13, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

What a difference 48 hours makes. With the release of the Gallup/USA Today shocker yesterday afternoon showing McCain leading by 4 points among likely voters, coupled with Rasmussen tightening down to just a 1-point Obama lead today and Gallup's tracking poll falling back to 6-points, Obama's lead in the RCP National Average is back down to 2.5% - the tightest it's been since June 7.
American news media has a coverage problem, with this fact as the most quantifiable symptom: The Tyndall Report, a news coverage monitoring service that has the broadcast networks as clients, reports that three newscasts by the traditional networks -- which have a combined audience of more than 20 million people -- spent 114 minutes covering Obama since June; they spent 48 minutes covering McCain.

Truth is American people have not been sold on Obama, who has a modest lead in the poll: There are plenty of signs that Obama hasn't closed the deal; if anything, he's simply grabbing on to the reverse Bush coattails at the moment. A majority (55%) think he would be the riskier choice for president, less than half of respondents say he doesn't share their values and background, and McCain clobbers him on experience and commander-in-chief questions. This election, in fact, has become a referendum on Obama: 51% say they are focusing more on what kind of president Obama would be, versus just 27% who say they are focusing more on McCain.
More...
The Arizona Republican senator has an 11-percentage-point advantage over Obama when voters were asked which candidate's background and set of values they identify with more--58% said that candidate was McCain, while 47% said Obama. 43% said Obama does not represent their values.

Time for Obama to call Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and FAST

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Could Senator Clinton win the Democratic presidential nomination at the
last minute by taking advantage of buyer's remorse among Democratic
super-delegates who are dismayed by the performance of Senator Obama's
campaign so far?

Here's the scenario: Senator Obama has raised tens of millions more
dollars than Senator McCain, which Democrats think should translate into
an advantage in the polls. The economy is doing poorly, which Democrats
think should translate into an advantage in the polls given that the
Republicans control the White House and the incumbent party is often
blamed for a bad economy.

The Republican nominee-in-waiting, Senator McCain, is old and is
unpopular with his party's base because he has broken with conservatives
on taxes, global warming, torture, and campaign speech limitations. The
Democrats think that should translate into an advantage for them at the
polls, too, even though their presumptive nominee is several kiloparsecs
to the left of Mr. McCain.

The Republican incumbent in the White House, President Bush, is
personally unpopular, blamed for the Iraq War (as Robert L. Bartley
liked to say: "They'll forgive you for being wrong. What they won't
forgive you for is being right"). Three of the top 15 books on the New
York Times bestseller list are Bush-bashing tomes; one advocates that he
be prosecuted for murder. The Democrats think that this, too, should
translate into an advantage for them at the polls.

Despite all these factors, Mr. McCain is running roughly even in the
polls with the presumptive Democratic nominee, Mr. Obama, a time when he
is supposed to be way ahead. In early August of 1988, Governor Dukakis
was ahead of Vice President Bush by a wide margin. In early August of
2004, Senator Kerry was ahead of President Bush. If Mr. Obama doesn't
have a big lead now, it could get pretty ugly for the Democrats as
November approaches, the theory goes.

It will only get worse when Messrs. McCain and Obama face off in
presidential debates. The public will discover that Mr. Obama,
notwithstanding his reputation as a silver-tongued orator, is not that
good a debater - which explains why he did his best to dodge debate
invitations from Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain. Feature Mr. Obama's
flubbering on the outbreak of war between Russia and Georgia.

Is all this enough to prompt Democratic super-delegates to re-think
their allegiance to Mr. Obama and hand the nomination to Senator
Clinton? If you count Michigan, Mrs. Clinton won the reported popular
vote in the Democratic primaries and caucuses, 17.8 million to 17.5
million, and won many of the hotly contested big battleground states
that the Democrats need to win in November - Pennsylvania, Ohio,
California, New York, New Jersey, Florida. She won Massachusetts even
after Senators Kennedy and Kerry endorsed Mr. Obama.

Take away the delegates Mr. Obama has by virtue of the endorsement of
Senator Edwards, who has newly admitted deceiving the electorate about
the adultery he committed while his wife lay stricken with cancer, and
the delegate gap is even narrower. Even Mr. Obama doesn't have enough
delegates to win the nomination without the super-delegates, so there
wouldn't be anything terribly exceptional about the super-delegates
putting her rather than him over the top.

Probably all this isn't enough - at least not yet. But what if, by the
time the convention rolls around, Mr. Obama isn't just running neck and
neck with Mr. McCain but is lagging by, say, five percentage points, or
if Mr. Obama makes a big blunder with his choice of a running mate, or
some other campaign stumble? Then expect the whispers already swirling
among Clinton supporters to turn into a full-fledged roar.

Mrs. Clinton's Tuesday keynote address, scheduled for the Tuesday of the
Convention, could then start to sound less like an endorsement speech
and more like a final campaign plea. If it's a real hit, anything can
happen. Expect, too, the well-timed release of some public poll showing
Mrs. Clinton doing better than Mr. Obama in matchups against Mr. McCain
in battleground states. Already the Clinton campaign is surfacing,
through the forthcoming issue of the Atlantic Monthly, a memo portraying
Mr. Obama as "not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking
and in his values."

***

This newspaper doesn't presume to tell the Democrats whom to nominate,
but we did start out this campaign hoping for three New York
presidential candidates. Mayors Giuliani and Bloomberg are out of the
race for the top spot on any ticket, though Mr. Bloomberg may still
prove attractive as a vice presidential candidate. We have no illusions
about the ultra-long-shot of Mrs. Clinton's chances of actually emerging
as the Democratic nominee, but they are not technically impossible, as
Mr. Obama is no doubt aware. Mr. Obama skipped a visit to a military
hospital in Germany. He spent this weekend on vacation in Hawaii. Mrs.
Clinton spent last week visiting wounded service members at Fort Drum.
Mr. Obama may think the primary campaign is over, but Mrs. Clinton's
die-hard supporters still itch for a last-minute surprise.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Goodness, I like Biden. Could it be possible for the Dems to have an intelligent pick? It could make ma a happy voter.

Posted by: txajohnson | August 13, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

If it comes down to Biden vs. Bayh and the Democrats think they have a shot at a filibuster-proof 60 seats in the senate, the governors of each state would pick the replacement senator. The governor of Indiana is a Republican and the governor of Delaware is a Democrat.

Posted by: Max | August 13, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

and to ANONYMOUS

loose lips do sink ships...

but how about loose lips that aren't use to being loose...

I would argue they sink more and bigger ships.

No one has fought and been seen and heard fighting as much as Biden.

I would love to see someone show the numbers of how many times Biden has appeared on MTP, This Week, Face the Nation, the nigthly news, C-Span, AC 360...etc....how many debates he has been involved in on national media...etc...especially against the Bush administration for 7 years.

then take the numbers of times he has "gaffed" and show those numbers compared to ANY politician including Mccain, Barack and Hillary.

Posted by: dl | August 13, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Biden would make a solid choice for Obama's veep. Biden is a strong, compelling campaigner who is not afraid to take a good tough swing at the opponent. He would make a fierce race of it in Pennsylvania and Ohio as an outspoken champion of Catholic working class voters. He is witty, highly intelligent, well-informed, and tough with a reputation for honesty and bravely saying the things that need to be told. He admires Obama tremendously but would be able to give him wise counsel in all areas of foreign and domestic policy. Biden is a smart choice for the nation.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: dee | August 13, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

and Chris

Biden was just acknowledged as one of the most successful congressman ...in a time when no one is getting things done across the aisle...

almost every big bill that has gone through in the past 6 months...was co-authored or authored by him.

The article he wrote in The Financial Times yesterday shows who should be Obama's "guy down the hall"... he gets this Russian situation better than anyone in Washington.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I have believed, from the start, that Biden would be an excellent choice for VP.
While he may be garrulous he always makes sense.

Biden was against the Iraq war from the outset as was I. Bayh ,on the other hand, was in favor of attacking Iraq. I would never want a vice president who I felt was less smart than me.

Posted by: Mario | August 13, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

dl:

So loose lips DON'T sink ships.

Thanks for clearing up that one.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Chris

lol

I guess if you have ever read a single comment from me ...you know how I feel about Joe B. as VP.

but before you take him down tomorrow...

and I am sure the "gaffe machine" will be right up there.

I ask you again to remember one issue with the gaffe machine idea and how stupid that argument is before you or anyone else makes it.

Joe Biden has appeared on National News and Outlets and been interviewed and fought and debated ...

how many times?

the "gaffe machine" I would overwhelmingly argue is a good thing.

All of the other choices have never had to be an attack dog. What happens when a pol that is not an attack dog has to suddenly become an attack dog for 3 months?

Gaffes.

Now I say who will control a longer news cycle? The "old guy who gaffes" or the new guy that no one knows very well.

(I think Mccain's gaffes and their subsequent very little effect on coverage answers that question)

They all would have to become attack dogs (which is becoming more obvious every day) the question is if you do the numbers compared to how many times they have been speaking in the spotlight do Biden's (what 6 -10 gaffes in 30 years) equal really what you could term "a gaffe machine"

when Sebelius or Bayh or any of the others were to suddenly be analyzed for 3 months daily...they are probably going to gaffe...how long would that news cycle last and how will they and the campaign handle it.

Biden on the other hand...if he gaffes at all (he is the most practiced at this) will get called on it...roll his eyes, shrug his shoulders, apologize...we all know who the guy is at this point...so then he gets back to work.

that's all...

this gaffe machine thing is a joke...

just had to put it out there before you list it tomorrow...along with the fact that he is a senator and an "old experienced hand"

Posted by: dl | August 13, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

ARKANSAS DEMS CHIEF SERIOUSLY WOUNDED IN OFFICE SHOOTING


Bill Gwatney, chairman of the Arkansas Democratic Party, was shot several times around noon inside his office at the Democratic state headquarters in Little Rock.

Initial reports said he had died, but he apparently was resuscitated and is undergoing emergency treatment.

The shooter told witnesses that he had lost his job. He escaped in a pickup truck but was later shot and captured by police. His condition is unknown.

Gwatney was a superdelegate who had been pledged to Hillary Clinton, but had announced his support for Barack Obama after Clinton suspended her campaign, according to information posted on the party's web site.

Posted by: scrivener | August 13, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Biden would be a good and strong choice.

Whatever negatives you can find (example, "goes off message," "he's from a small state") can be controlled, don't matter much and are heavily outweighed by his positives, "he's strong in PA," "true expert in foreign policy," "knows how to campaign and throw a punch," "he's a believable presidential replacement," "he's a youthful 65(?)" and "he's a pragmatic Catholic."

Also, he'd be good on the trail and once in office.

Posted by: Ivanv | August 13, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a good, solid choice, but he may have too much baggage.

However, his age is perfect for a single term as VP, then stepping aside to allow for a younger VP in the 2012 re-election run (Mark Warner), who would then be in the perfect position for a 2016 bid.

Posted by: JamesCH | August 13, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Um, last time I checked, the Vice President has some major tasks too, like, say, governing."

Um, could you be a little more specific? Because, um, the Constitution gives the Vice President very little to, um, do.

Posted by: Spectator2 | August 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

There's indeed a case against Biden but no one expects him to "disappear" if he's VP. If Obama takes Bayh instead, Bayh would have zero impact on the daily media cycle and thus no upside. Like John Edwards four years ago, Bayh as VP nominee would disappear into small towns in the midwest providing no help as the behemoths Obama and McCain slug it out. Biden as VP would be in the ring slugging every day, and that's what Obama needs!

Posted by: observer | August 13, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Ah, I can hear the Virginians weeping. ;)

Biden is an excellent choice. You did a great job of summing up his positives. I would add, of course, that he is clean and articulate. (ha! it's just too easy!)

But, seriously, it would be difficult to argue against and Obama/Biden ticket. And it is fun to think about how on Earth McCain could counter with a veep of his own.

There is, however, the issue of Biden being so very "East Coast". Since this may be a midwest/west election, it will be interesting to see how he can manage to speak to those constituencies. (Richardson would be a better choice for the American West and especially Southwest...)

But, if you compare him with the other "East Coast" candidates we've seen -- Kerry and Lieberman -- at least he doesn't have that annoyingly gentrified nasal tone of voice. And I don't see him windsurfing anytime soon...

Sounds like a winner to me!

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Posted by: Julia Kelly | August 13, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

DexterManley you add nothing to this discussion with your fake quotes. Senator Biden never referred to Senator Obama as a "negro" and you know it. Meth? You sound very familiar with it. Take your lies and move on and leave the blog posts to those who have something reasonably intelligent to say.

Posted by: DexterGirley | August 13, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden makes the most sense! JB would mop the floor with McCain and LIEberman or any other surrogate/running mate.

Posted by: dab NY | August 13, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If Biden makes clear that he doesn't intend to run for president after Obama, that would be a HUGE bone thrown to HRC. It could indeed bury the hatchet between the two of them--as Hillary would almost be guaranteed a second chance at the White House. I suspected this might happen with Obama's VP pick.

Of course, Biden is not exactly the fresh face of change driving the Obama campaign though.

Posted by: scrapster | August 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Biden:it just rolls right off the tongue,doesn't it?

Posted by: HoosierDaddy | August 13, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Not a bad choice, perhaps the best one. It's clear that neither Obama nor McCain have much of a grasp of foreign policy, though McCain's ignorance and saber-rattling is more dangerous. Biden really understands international affairs and he's not under the thumb of the Cheney/neocons, who are now pulling McCain's strings pretty consistently.

Posted by: texun | August 13, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Biden's been two-faced since the 1970's. See Sorensen's new book, Counselor. If he ends up as Obama's VP, I'll renounce my membership in the Democratic Party.

Posted by: m | August 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I am interested in hearing what you have to say next time in the case against Biden. He was my initial favorite and still is now for VP, though listening to the media has made me put him lower on the likely list. After reading this column I'm enthused again. He is the absolute perfect VP for Obama. Someone who will sit down with Obama (perhaps over a beer) and tell him what he thinks. And Obama would listen. Exactly what we need.

Posted by: David | August 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd pay to see Biden and Lieberman go at it in a debate or two. Wouldn't you?

Problem with Biden is that he tens to talk for about five minutes longer than he should and is sort of gaffe prone. That being said, as far as the list of negatives go, its not a bad list. I like Clark, but Biden is up on my list.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"There aren't all that many tasks for the vice president. Advocate for the presidential nominee, stump in off-the-beaten track places, and, most importantly, attack the other party's candidate"

Um, last time I checked, the Vice President has some major tasks too, like, say, governing. Step out of your tiny little political hack world obsessed with rumors about who might have moved from fourth to third most likely to be selected as a running mate, and join us in the real world.

Perhaps you should devote a sentence or two to whether or not Joe Biden would make a good Vice President, rather than an entire column on whether or not he will deliver Pennsylvania or is willing to be a dirty campaigner.

Too bad the post essentially employs sportswriters to cover policy and government rather than journalists who actually know what they are talking about.

Posted by: RealityCheck | August 13, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The right choice, of course, is Joe Biden. The other candidates didn't spend all their time saying "Joe's right" for nothing during the primary campaign. He would be like a "light side" version of Darth Cheney. He would instantly set independents at ease about foreign policy, and he would be a great help in governing. Biden is reportedly ambivalent about the job, but he'll get used to it and learn to love it very quickly I think. He can be a sort of second Secretary of State. That's useful because we have a LOT of fences to mend.

One further point Cillizza didn't mention is that Biden authored the Violence Against Women Act. I think, short of picking a woman, picking someone sensitive to women's issues is a big step toward reaching out to the remaining Hillary stalwarts.

Biden is just so right. Please, O-team. Make the safe/wise/inspiring/reassuring choice. It's all here wrapped up in one person.

Posted by: Mark | August 13, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the ticket to me. I hear he has somewhat of a habit of going off point, but it can't be as bad as McSame and his rattling.

Obama/Biden 08 - Experience and Vision - Yeah, that's it!

Posted by: Obama/Biden 08 | August 13, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the ticket to me. I hear he has somewhat of a habit of going off point, but it can't be as bad as McSame and his rattling.

Obama/Biden 08 - Yeah, that's it!

Posted by: Obama/Biden 08 | August 13, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Biden's OK if you like a racist meth-tweaker for your VP. Not a racist? What was that remark about Obama being a "clean Negro" all about? Satire? What's up with the advocacy of the South Western Berlin Wall? Not a 'tina-tweaker? Did anybody see the debates?

I preferred HRC or Rendell, but compared with Biden, I'd be thrilled with Bayh or Kaine.

Posted by: DexterManley | August 13, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse


I enjoyed Biden during the debates. He's great.

I also like Wesley Clark, who, and I don't mean this in any way to demean McCain's years in a Vietnamese prison, but Clark had a much more successful military career and that would mean much to me. Sometimes I think McCain starts hearing the music from Apocalypse Now and wants to make up for the American tragedy that unfolded there.

With an ever-antagonistic Russia (and China), having a former NATO commander as VP makes Clark a very good "go-to" guy for our security.

A better relationship with Europe is important when fighting radical Islam. The Europeans are much closer to the flame than we are.

Send McCain home so he can yell at kids to get off his front lawn.

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | August 13, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I love Biden, wanted him to be President in fact. He'd make a great VP. But, I don't trust him to keep his famously large yapper shut through November (clean and articulate, 7-11, etc.) I'm all for the three-way ticket, Obama-Biden-large roll of duct tape.

Posted by: Zach | August 13, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Wesley Clark has almost every advantage Biden has, except more so. As a four-star General, he's more elitist than Biden, but I'm not sure that the elitist title is a bad thing when we're talking about military rank. Furthermore, if Clark and Biden are equally unfamiliar to the American public, "This guy's the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO," is a much better introduction than "This guy's a senator from a small state."

Posted by: Zach | August 13, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I like Biden. He's clean and articulate.
Patrick, you crack me up, and John C is on the money.

Biden may talk at length, but I've never heard anyone say he doesn't know what he's is talking about. Good ticket, if Obama picks Senator Biden.

Posted by: gil3 | August 13, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Richardson has a well known problem similar to John Edwards' recent travails.

Posted by: Old Pol | August 13, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

My apologies, but you really have to get on the stick. The Veep is going to be Clark. Sibelius basically spilled the beans this week when she accidentally let slip that Wednesday night's VP acceptance speech will be themed "Securing America's Future" which is Clark's brand and the verbatim name of his PAC and that Thursday will be themed "Change You Can Believe In" which is Obama's brand.

Game over - for Mr. McCain.

Posted by: Ted Pearlman | August 13, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a good choice. His plan for a multi-state solution in Iraq would go a long way to exiting from that nightmare with the precieved "Lose" that McCain keeps pounding at.
As to more domestic issues, Biden's long service in ther Senate and his ability to work with tose on the other side of the aisle would lend itselve to work out some bi=partisan solutions to the domestic problems now tie up in partisan gridlock.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Biden was actually my choice for President before he dropped out, and he would make a great VP. He would add so much to the ticket. He may be 66, bu is very sharp where McCain seems a little bit senile and very inflexible in his opinions--two signs of old age setting in. I happen to be nearly 65, so I am not trying to throw stones at the "grumpy white-haired guy."

Posted by: MaryA | August 13, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I love Biden, but he and Obama are two peas from the same pod. Obama already has charisma overkill, not to mention, as he's said about 50 times, he feels foreign policy is one of his strengths. Of course, no one else believes him, but he sure does. And and think we can all rest easy knowing that, in the very least, the rest of the world respects him and is willing to listen to him. Or, you know, drive him personally to his plane alone in their car. Biden is brilliant and his knowledge will be critical as a part of Obama's administration, but I just don't see him as VP. Stylistically it doesn't match, and they are both very senatorial Senators - Obama needs someone who knows how to run things.

I think what Obama needs is an operations person, a CEO or a governor. It's perfectly reasonable to turn the "Security" theme away from an exclusively foreign focus. Security can mean better infrastructure or response to disasters or port saftey or any other number of domestic issues. The Democrats will never win the "we hate brown people and the French more" argument over the GOP - so let them bluster and run scary ads, refocus the discussion on domestic safety and an ability to actually run the government effectively.

Pick Sebelius, you fraidy cats. Do it! It's such a better balance.

Posted by: squintz | August 13, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Biden would be a very solid choice. However, Jack Reed brings similar attributes without the oversized ego. Plus, Biden makes it difficult to emphasize the entrenched Washington culture that McCain represents. That said, I believe Barack will select Bill Richardson. He is rock solid on foreign policy,seasoned yet contemporary, has a great personal demeanor and will add Latinos to the massive voter turn-out Barack is building. The only drawback is that the "Big Dog" considers Richardson to be Judas and would be introducing him on Wednesday night.

Posted by: shiva7 | August 13, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping for Kaine, but it's a persuasive case. Plus, Kaine might be a great pick for something like DoT or Interior.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 13, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Agree with Patrick. He's clean and articulate, man!

He knows that the Indians run the 7/11's in Delaware.

He's got an edge with the South, because he says he's from a "slave state."

He borrows a good speech.

And he knows better than most that loose lips sink ships.

Like you say, Chris, HOT HOT HOT.

Posted by: Del Aware | August 13, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

In a perfect world Joe Biden would be the Democratic candidate in 2008 and win the White House. Alas this not going to be the case. I think given the choice between McCain/Bush and Obama I prefer Obama. He is far from perfect but McCain is Bush unleashed. An Obama/Biden ticket would the perfect combination of youth ,judgement and experience that we need. McCain's age could be a problem because of the demands of the job . The problem with McCain going on 72 is that he has learned how to be the story that is McCain and not to be more than that. McCain is far too rigid in his thinking and ideas .

Posted by: New Jersey | August 13, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

It should be Tom Vilsack. Catholic orphan from Pennsylvania. Small town mayor, state senator, two-time governor. Involved in energy, health care, education. Tight with the Clintons (trip to Africa w/ Bill and AIDS conference in Mexico City). Plus, you don't take Democrats out of Congress.

Posted by: Old Pol | August 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

In a perfect world Joe Biden would be the Democratic candidate in 2008 and win the White House. Alas this not going to be the case. I think given the choice between McCain/Bush and Obama I prefer Obama. He is far from perfect but McCain is Bush unleashed. An Obama/Biden ticket would the perfect combination of youth ,judgement and experience that we need. McCain's age could be a problem because of the demands of the job . The problem with McCain going on 72 is that he has learned how to be the story that is McCain and not to be more than that. McCain is far too rigid in his thinking and ideas .

Posted by: New Jersey | August 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Foreign policy and the economy are not separate issues. With Sen. Biden, the Democrats could beat McCain on the foreign policy issue, as McCain's only recognizable foreign policy is to fight more wars.

Posted by: John C | August 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is the right choice for his capability to be President and his unique political skills. Democrats need to get off the defensive on national security and he is the only vice presidential candidate who can accomplish that effectively through his blend of knowledge, debating skills and humor. Choosing Evan Bayh will not help Obama at all and an uninspired choice like that could reveal an overconfidence that is troubling. Obama has not sealed the deal, especially with white working class voters, and Joe Biden will get him there.

Posted by: Richard Holcomb | August 13, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

So far as the piece is about Biden's strengths, its on target. Though The Fix overlooks Biden's domestic policy strengths as well - he's not a single-faceted Senator. Where the Cilizza gets a little confused is later, when mentioning a potential McCain pick....

Smilin' Joe has a well-earned reputation as a skilled attacker? For what? Certainly not for the Lieberman-Cheney debates in 2000.

Posted by: bsimon | August 13, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

bondjedi is a big Joe Biden fan, and is willing to look past the youthful indiscretions of plagiarism. He has some tragedy in his past, which leads me to believe that he is at least one politician with some perspective and some heart.

If the nominee, I can not wait to see Joe turned loose on McSame and the Quayle doppelganger the GOP digs up. An Obama/Biden ticket will kick the snot out of McClueless and McWhoever.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 13, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I like Biden. He's clean and articulate.

Posted by: Patrick | August 13, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't see why Obama would want to pick Biden and thus signal to the electorate and media that McCain is not only stronger on foreign policy but also that so-called foreign affairs expertise is the most important issue facing America or indeed that faces any country. Wrong. America's problem is primarily its economy and only once it deals with that can it deal with the outside world. And it's fair to say that a bright young star in 1987 is not one in 2008.

Posted by: Tabbycat | August 13, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Good, I hope it's someone talkative like Biden. Somebody needs to start making a case for why Obama should be elected president, and why a Republican like McCain shouldn't. It's clear the Obama campaign isn't making any kind of argument.

Posted by: John C | August 13, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Will the 'case' against Biden include alleged plagarism of 20 years ago from one speech? Because McCain's plagerism didn't seem to bother you..

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

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