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Veepstakes: The Sunday Tryouts

Perhaps the best way to think about the vice presidential sweepstakes is as an extended -- and very public -- job interview.

Resumes are examined, references are checked, past performance is measured. But, more important than all of those factors is how the job applicants do under pressure -- can they perform well when the klieg lights are on them?

If the job you are applying for is vice president of the United States, then your best chance to show your stuff is on the closely-watched Sunday talk shows. Succeed in advocating for the nominee and/or pushing back against attacks on him by your rival guest and boost your stock. Bomb out and watch the buzz around you -- and your chances at being the pick -- peter out.

This is clearly a high wire act that nearly every candidate mentioned seriously as a potential pick by either John McCain or Barack Obama has performed over the past few weekends and will continue on until the choices are made.

In the last two weeks, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Ct.) has stopped by "Meet the Press" and "Fox News Sunday," Gov. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) has appeared on "Face the Nation" as have Sens. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) and Jack Reed (D-R.I). Govs. Bobby Jindal (R-La.) and Bill Richardson (D-N.M.) as well as former Gov. Tom Ridge (R-Pa.) have stopped by the "This Week with George Stephanapoulos" set. (We know we missed a few appearances. It was not intentional. We love all vice presidential candidates and all Sunday shows equally.)

And now comes word that Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) and Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-Minn.) -- the vice presidential frontrunners for their respective parties -- will square off this weekend on "Face the Nation."

Make no mistake: every person involved in the vice presidential selection process for McCain and Obama will be watching closely to see how each man does. And while these appearances are not likely to prove conclusive in making up either nominee's mind, they are certain to play a role in the decision making.

Both men have something to prove.

Bayh is widely perceived as too nice a guy to deliver an attack -- too cautious and too calculating about his own political future to go to the wall to defend Obama.

His supporters insist that characterization is flawed and provide as evidence Bayh's recent one-on-one with Lieberman (a skilled debater no matter what else you might think of him) on "Fox News Sunday" late last month.

In the clip, Bayh's supporters argue, he effectively parries Lieberman's attack that Obama favored a strategy of "defeat and retreat" in Iraq despite the fact that Bayh himself was an aggressive advocate for the war at the time.

For Bayh, proving he is tough enough to stand up to a sustained assault on Obama -- and his record -- and willing to throw a few punches is the task confronting him this weekend.

The challenge for Pawlenty is to prove he is "big" enough for this kind of national stage; the knock on him has long been that he is a nice guy and a genuine political talent but just not ready for primetime.

The chatter in Republican circles is that McCain would like to pick someone with whom he is close personally, unless it becomes clear that none of those candidates is as strong politically as former governor Mitt Romney, for example.

Pawlenty is as close to McCain as any of those mentioned as veep contenders. Can he give McCain the confidence that he is ready and willing and able to take on the demands of the vice presidency?

For those who doubt the importance of these Sunday talk show tete a tetes, don't. One of the most important -- perhaps THE most important -- roles the vice presidential nominees will play is taking part in the lone vice presidential debate on Oct.2 in St. Louis.

Recent political history suggests these vice presidential debates have real potential to influence the dynamic of the overall narrative in the general election. In 2004, Vice President Dick Cheney was widely seen as drubbing former senator John Edwards, which provided a bit of momentum for the Republican ticket. Four years earlier, Lieberman and Cheney fought to a draw -- a result that made an already close race even closer.

Sunday will be the latest -- and, maybe, the last -- tryout for Bayh and Pawlenty. How they do will tell us a lot about their respective political futures.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 12, 2008; 5:00 PM ET
Categories:  Veepstakes  
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Posted by: BAN RADIATION WEAPONS! | August 14, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Ah, so Lieberman can be an attack dog. I kind of wondered, since he had so little to say about George Bush and Dick Cheney in 2000.

Posted by: Aleks | August 13, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

our argument is over dl. It's not that I'm no longer responding because you won on points, it's sincerely that I no longer have anything to work with - it's that uncompelling to me. we just disagree.
Here, enjoy this link http://loftylantern.com/2008/08/13/why-biden-makes-no-sense-for-obama/

Posted by: Justin | August 13, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Justin

I love your defense of threatening that I should be deleted for ASKING if you were a moron (not calling you one) but considering your comments to me started this way...

""dl", I find your comment intolerable in terms of ignorance. "

I don't mean to be a jerk but calling someone ignorant ...and/or a moron are the same thing.

so I apologize for asking if you were a moron in reaction to you calling me "ignorant"

but the facts are the facts Bayh played it safe (as always...his push for the war was NOT leadership it was exactly what you are trying to accuse Biden of doing...albeit ineffectually) and his opposition to Rice was in reaction to the realization that he was beyond wrong and going to lose his position in any election or future with the democratic party.

This is all boring anyway because of these things and people getting educated to a possible VP that they really didn't know...as much as people want to say the borign guy was known... Bayh will not be VP.

and mark my words I am right Obama will pick the smartest guy on these issues including the Russia georgia conflict...

and that's Biden.

Not to mention if Bayh had to suddenly become an attack dog 24/7 for three months...how many news cycles will there be covering what happens when a non attack dog suddenly has to become an attack dog...

that would be gaffes ...lots of them.

and if you did your homework you would see that Biden has authored or been one of two co-authors on almost every successful bill that they actually got passed in the past 6 months.

so your argument is just baseless.

Posted by: dl | August 13, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

“…Obama got the nomination by discounting white votes in Michigan/Florida, by the back room deals (Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.), blackmailing (Edwards and his marital malfunction) and arm twisting (Governor Richardson) by Howard Dean, race baiting (President Bill Clinton) branding the Honorable Bill Clinton into a racist…”

Hey, sounds like good old-fashioned, bare-knuckle, back-room, hardball politics to me.

If he can do all that, and actually DID all that, I’d say he’ll be ready on Day One.

And at 3 AM.

Posted by: the fight club | August 13, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

dl, first, mind not getting out of hand first calling me a moron, if you don't want to be deleted from this thread. The disclaimer on ettiquite is quite visible.
Second, Biden has never stuck his neck out on anything. He just looks like a leader because he tries to get out front with the loudest voice of the conventional wisdom. But Biden is all bark and no bite. Bayh will buck both parties position. He agreed that the neocons were right instead of just shamelessly going along with them out of fear of looking weak on defense, and unlike Joe Biden, he voted against Alberto Gonzales, Condoleeza Rice, Roberts and Alito, and called for Rumsfeld's resignation long before Biden did. Bayh routinely pisses of both parties out of principle because while Biden just tries to thrust his chest out as the safe, party stalwart. And remember, this Democratic congress has had higher approval ratings from Republicans than Democrats. That's how low theapproval rating of the 110th congress is. If you want to defend the status quo and Joe Biden, be my guest. He's been a mildly, useful clown for 35 years, amusing us all and changing nothing.

Posted by: Justin | August 13, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Take note: Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan as well as Barack Obama's friend and soulmate Jerimiah Wright Jr. are still available for Barack's VP slot.

Posted by: tic | August 13, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if I buy the proposition that the VP candidate's performance in debate has any real positive effect upon the outcome although it may be possible that a weak one might drag a candidate down--Then again, Dan Quayle who did NOT look good against Lloyd Bensten, did not seem to hurt the ticket and GWHB got in anyway.

In any case, it looks very much as though before he can get going with a VP pick and the general election, BHO has to get through a convention that, if word on the street is any guide, may just turn out to be a doozie. I have been reading the comments for some little time now and am truly struck by the number of comments coming from passionate posters who just can't seem to get past the implosion of HRC's campaign. In many ways their anger resembles the rant-filled screeds of right-wingers who never seem to want to hear information because they already know what they think. Invariably, the comment begins with a lashing out at another poster or favorite whipping boy (girl) before diving into the polemics.

One more time then, to all who supported HRC who, though admittedly a complex and intelligent candidate, did not win the nomination--Please try to remember that when the mud has finally stopped flying, one of these two men will be President. With all due respect to Victor Flores, as much as I still like the Clintons, I do not think they have acquitted themselves with quite the level of class that I would have liked. As for all the perfidy of Obama, you level charges that include felony activity. Where's the proof?

Posted by: dch | August 13, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Justin I just took this from John Nichols article ...which took it from Biden's piece in the Financial Times yesterday...

(oy "name you one time Biden led on a foreign policy issue...ugh")

you think Bayh could have written this...


so please there is going to be a Biden VP ...if Obama is the guy isaw speak many times and answer questions as intelligently and as aware as he is the decision is about the best VP who can reach across the aisle and who has most knowledge of the issues.

"For Moscow, the most obvious casualty of the fighting could be the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014 – supposedly the crown jewel in the country's campaign to reinvent itself. Sochi is only a few miles from the border with Georgia's other breakaway region of Abkhazia. Regardless of any political consequences, if fighting spreads, it could drive up insurance rates for the games to the point that it becomes prohibitively expensive to hold the Olympics in the region at all," wrote Biden.

"Russia may face other costly consequences for the violence," the senator added. "Vladimir Putin's plans to make Moscow an international financial centre may evaporate as the prospect of sanctions on the country rears its head. Western financial institutions, which have done little to expose evidence of official Russian corruption, may start pursuing the issue much more publicly."

Biden concluded his "Russia Must Stand Down" call for by explaining that:

"Georgia has made remarkable political and economic progress since the country's transition to democracy. The fighting will inevitably slow that progress, and exact a heavy toll in lives and treasure. But, however severe the damage, Georgia will rebuild – and the United States and Europe must help. The stakes in this conflict are as high as the peaks of the Caucasus.

"The only hope for preventing this crisis from becoming a calamity for Russia's relationship with the west is for Moscow to immediately ceasefire, pull back its forces and agree to negotiations brokered by the international community – all steps that the Georgian government has agreed to. If the fighting continues, this moment could emerge as a turning point in the west's relationship with Moscow, and deny Russia the international standing it seeks. That is not the future the United States or Europe want – but it is the future Russia may get if it does not stand down and live up to its responsibilities as a force for progress."

and Nichols goes on...

"One may agree or disagree with Biden on specifics.

But his awareness of the issues that are at stake and the confidence with which he addresses them is not merely vice presidential. "

Posted by: dl | August 13, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Justin

Did you just ask where Biden has lead on a foreign policy issue?

Are you kidding?

I don't really need to answer that I guess...

division of tribes...
calls for afghanistan and pakistan focus...

the details of the Georgia fiasco that Mccain is glossing over and Biden has talked about in detail.

the AIDS funding.

...the list goes on... are you a moron.

and having "conviction" and "leadership" and confidence in your decision to sell this war we are in (shoulder to shoulder with Lieberman, McCain and all the lobbyists from military contractors sitting at that same table) ...is not an attribute Bayh or anyone looking at him should try to spin as positive. It is very very negative...look at the membership of the Committee for Liberation of Iraq and tell me all those lobbyists sitting around him shouldn't have given him pause... He was the third honorary co-chair (with Lieberman and Mccain!) of this organization who sold the war to the American people...

to have conviction in something that a number of other people got right by going against...

a war that is the biggest strategic blunder in OUR HISTORY...is not something Bayh supporters should try to defend...

mistakes are one thing...mistakes that were done with such zealousy (and there is no other way to describe his taking an honorary chair position of that lobbyist committee for the war)...is a very different thing.

as we speak Biden is still the go to guy for foreign policy against the blunders of the Bush / Mccain /Cheney stances.

Posted by: dl | August 13, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I hope they get on with selecting so that the issues facing America will be front and center... http://www.enewsreference.wordpress.com

Posted by: eNews Reference | August 13, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

The democrats appear to have significant problems with mathematics.

Which is scary.

FIRST THIS IS THE THIRD BUSH TERM COUNT !

Next, the democrats keep on proposing MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS which they have no way of paying for except to RAISE TAXES WHICH WILL PLUNGE THIS COUNTRY INTO STAGFLATION.

The democrats are irresponsible people who have horrible math skills. They constantly run budget deficits and their personal corruption runs to new heights every year. Everytime the democrats run anything this nation is worse off.


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Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

The Grand Prix is actually two separate tournaments played weekly at two separate times. Job Interview

Posted by: Job Interview | August 13, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

To anonymous from 7:29 pm and dl ... I could just as easily argue that leading the support for war in Iraq in the Senate, however misguided that turned out to be, was more admirable and sincere than being a follower in the Senate for supporting that war. Bayh was convinced of his belief and acted accordingly. It was more irresponsible if another Senator had doubts or was reluctant to vote for the war but did so anyway. One speaks to character and mistaken judgment, the other to cowardice, political expediancy and peer pressure - all of course which are traits we don't want to see in a President. So if you were serious about a Bayh alternative for the reasons you state, you'd have the courage of your convinctions and be for Obama choosing Russ Feingold, who has rightfully scolded Biden. Tell me where Biden has ever led on a forieng policy issue. He has only gone along with the program in the disguise of a status quo protester.

Posted by: Justin | August 13, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

No one should mention Sarah Palin as a potential VP without first listening to her answer a question.

Posted by: pj | August 13, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse


first of all


there is no "war,"


there is an OCCUPATION,


that is paying Halliburton, KBR, BLACKWATER, Carlyle Group, CACI, CSC, Booze Allen Hamilton, Bechtel, and other

false "war," PROFITEERS


$467 $BILLION$ DOLLARS in allocated monies...


half a TRILLION DOLLARS,


you don't think that is buying some "dumb looks," from CONGRESS PEOPLE ????


dumb looks don't stop fraud.


plus, I hope you remember Petraeus had 190,000

FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS GO MISSING on his watch in IRAQ

and those weapons are turning up in Mexico and Central and South AMERICA...


and IRAQI OIL is turning up in UAE bank accounts affiliated with Halliburton...


go figure....


someone said:
"An individual without principles can make for a very dangerous President."

principles ??? one doesn't need principles, one needs to understand engineering. That's all, no morals needed.


principles will take care of themeselves....if you handle the problem honestly, for example how do you build a good building, plan for the future??? You look at the problem and apply the best solution from the available supplies/resources..


HOW CAN a "nice guy," come in and take on Washington DC insiders by them selves...

they can't, they don't....they either get bound up with handlers who steer them away from the pork or they get

assassinated: JFK, Robert Kennedy

or

backstabbed by government employees: Jimmy Carter


JIMMY CARTER, was backstabbed by William Casey, George H.W. Bush and the CURRENT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE,

Robert M. Gates...

William Casey, "died of a braintumor," 6 weeks after being asked to testify before Congress about IRAN CONTRA and was buried with a closed casket...


George H.W. Bush went on to become vice president and then president...after commiting treason

Robert M. Gates is Secretary of Defense today...


how do you deal with people like that? you really have to be able to gut them and leave them flopping on the bank for a blue heron to eat...parenthetically speaking, of course...


they are trash fish in the stream of life....like squawfish...they eat the salmon fingerlings, the "good guys" and there are no "good fish," left in the stream....if there are too many squawfish...

which is why it would be a good idea for the "democratic candidates," to eliminate them now....

identifying them...talk about them, talk about getting rid of them publically....

the president inherits the "old people," from the last administration.....Bill Clinton inherited George H.W. Bushes people...that's why when people talk about Clinton on Foreign Policy you really have to understand the nature of republican propaganda...


they think lieing is "normal," miscontruing, and fabricating information "the right way to play"


do the world a favor, get informed....

SEARCH on October surprise, russian, carter, casey, bush, gates


it's all there....Hamilton knows about it, but Hamilton was persuaded by Dick Cheney to be bipartisan and pick up the soap....and cheenie sang sooooooo sweetly in his ear he didn't even realize that he had commited treason.... and still thinks he's a "good guy," though history will treat him poorly.


.check it out.

Posted by: cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezeus | August 13, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse


want to help AMERICA come out of it's economic slump...


stop the "war" FRAUD machine...

make the US ECONOMY a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY....


put all contractors in IRAQ, AFGHANISTANT, and the US directly affiliated with the "war" FRAUD effect under GAO GSA aegis...


and examine their books.


an OCCUPATION is _ILLEGAL_


however, seperating the EMBEZZLERS aka


bushCO and CRONYs from the MONEY...


makes the United States a lot more legitimate in the eyes of the world...


especially if treasonists, like Robert M. Gates...who used the CIA as a tool to defeat Jimmy Carter in his reelection bid,

or George W. Bush who committed SEC FRAUD with Harken OIL

are arrested and prosecuted for those charges...

you could arrest Cheney for involvement in commiting perjury to Congress regarding WMD et al..it's in John W. Deans' BOOK, "Worse Than Watergate," the exact charges and the way to make them stick...

and put Pelosi as President...


then the IRAQIs might see us as a responsible and capable nation, rather than as a lawless regime "on the take."


.and we could deal for oil as an option.


.

Comment on: Sounding Bitter at 4/14/2008 3:24 PM EDT
republicans


will polarize defame and piss on obama and he will become the

flash in the pan he really is.

Republicans want him to run, he's the lone Indian


who will stop the whiteman....uh huh, sure he will...


John Riggins was something that happens once in awhile...


he certainly has more in common with "The Clintons,"


than obama


obama would be the towel boy


Andrew Young said that, Andrew Young knows the difference between hopes and dreams and "what is possible,"


Bill Clinton has demonstrated his strength of character and heart....relentlessly pounded by the Miami Dolphins / Washington INSIDERs

Cheney, Libby, the bush families, Paul Wolfowitz, the Kagans, Rumsfeld

he punched through their line, time after time...

he cut through the line, the hype, the spin , the BS storm...


how did they defeat him finally? they didn't , they couldn't so

they cheated....

they opted for electoral fraud, Diebold, voter culling, Ken Blackwell in Ohio...now working for a NEOCON think tank on K street , they intimidated the vote counters in Dade County FL, put Jeb Bushes girlfriends in charge of verifying the vote count...

talked trash relentlessly

and stained the reputation of a man that would go on to become a Nobel Prize winner...

Al Gore,

and instead of being celebrated as a great AMERICAN


we have to put up with these scheiss talking schiess stormers crap


as_if _that_ were okay,


it's not, in the real world it's called fraud

and CIA agents spinning schiess against the citizens would be called TREASON


because

that is what it is....and the punishment proscribed would death according to judicial studies that I'm familiar with, as and


because that is what it those treasonous acts are causing.


be forewarned, fair trial first, the rest is unscripted.


.your reponsibility is to the people first.


not the president by fraud.


get over itschiess stormers, you deserve jail time.


.

Posted by: cheep cheep.... | August 13, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

let's be honest here...


we live in a set of ecosystems...


there is no mystery, no surprise, unless you count the stupidity of leaders who think with their metaphorical crotches and not with their eyes and minds...

for example: we could have made a deal for the OIL in IRAQ...


but then there wouldn't have been any big money for


Carlyle Group, Bechtel, Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, DynCorp, and others...


and certainly no NON COMPETE CONTRACTS AWARDED eh ???


so bushCO and CRONYs and COMPLICIT CONGRESS, creates a situation which will drain the nations economy at the very moment when the worlds populations are reaching points that will tip entire regions into famine....


these rich kids, who trash talk anything standing in their way...


could get away with it 100 years ago...the land could withstand their lies.

it's not possible any more.


We need leaders that do not pander to families or the corportocracy.


The US Economy is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

The Global Economy could use a good example of how to treat leaders who are ruthless in pursuit of personal gain at the expense of their citizens.


It would be good to see some whitehouse, executive branch members


brought down low, tried for treason and executed publically....it would give others courage...and hope...


in the fear the cowardice and the destruction of our values...


remove these scum from having an effect on our lives,


take out the trash.


today.

.
_______________________________________________________

there are about

40 PERCENT REPULSIVE SCAMMERS


working their magic aka lying as a position...


HILLARY


keep calling a spade a spade


bama man, let stand the repulsive scammers lies being used against you


he didn't say it wasn't true...

he used it 16 years of hatepoured out against THE CLINTONS


why ?????


THE CLINTONS ARE THE ONLY DEMOCRATS TO HAVE HELD THEIR OWN AGAINST THE REPBULICAN CIA BASED


HATE MACHINE...


now that she is using a little pointed comments of her own


THE REPUBLICANS are asking her to tone it down


for the sake of the party....right...


like they asked Al GORE to not contest the vote count in FLORIDA

they said that he was selfish and dividing the country.


was he?


What would AMERICA be like if Carter had had two terms?


I Al Gore had had two terms?????


ENERGY PROBLEMS????


no, none....


outsourcing would never have happened


and we would be enjoying European style cities instead of crime and depression...


AMERICA would still be the most respected nation on earth


and the TRILLIONS of dollars being poured in to WAR PROFITEERING HOUSEHOLDS and OVERSEAS would be being used to


upgrade AMERICA....vis a vis infrastructure programs...


.

Posted by: trout fishing in America... | August 13, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

what they are doing is neutralizing the truth as they appear to run for VEEP ????


setting up the propaganda game that keeps them safe from being held responsible...

Posted by: what if | August 13, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: "IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE" - can it? | August 12, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I have seen the "Whitey Tape"... it was McCaine in the shower. think significant shrinkage, an angry inch.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 12, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

EXTREMELY WELL STATED VICTOR FLORES PLEASE KEEP POSTING AND NEVER NEVER BACK DOWN WHEN THESE CRAZY OBAMA PEOPLE SEEK TO INTIMIDATE AND HARASS YOU INTO NOT POSTING ANYMORE


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to " sequoia"

Please don't patronize me, this election should have been referendum on Bush, instead it is about Obama. Obama got the nomination by discounting white votes in Michigan/Florida, by the back room deals (Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.), blackmailing (Edwards and his marital malfunction) and arm twisting (Governor Richardson) by Howard Dean, race baiting (President Bill Clinton) branding the Honorable Bill Clinton into a racist. We, the electorate can spot a fake and a dishonorable man (Obama) when we see one. You (sequoia) have drank the "Obama Koolaid" and you would know the truth if it hit ya! Oh, by the way, I am Hispanic, I vote, and have been a life long Democrat, but I am voting for John McCain and if by chance McCain does lose at least I know in my heart I voted for the right man.
BLUE VOTER, VOTING RED.

Posted by: Victor Flores | August 12, 2008 9:48 PM

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

The poster at 8:44 is not offended - it is simply the paid staffers at the Obama campaign calling someone "racist" everytime the Obama campaign does not like the TRUTH.

Obama paid staffers your shift is over!


Obama contributors: Be aware your money is going to pay staffers who harrass and intimidate posters who are exercising their First Amendment rights on the internet.


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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain's line of attack - attacking Obama as another bimbo-eruption celebrity - is absolute GENIUS.

Obama is obsessed with his own ego which is hard to do.

McCain has found a way to define Obama and when a candidate is defined in a campaign it helps if it is true - and defining Obama as a bimbo-eruption is extremely accurate.

The people who support Obama have not evaluated his actual qualifications or skills which he will need to perform the actual position - their support has become a quasi-revival meeting joke.

The contrast between the two men can not be starker - when McCain was offered the opportunity to be released by the Vietnamese McCain stated "See that guy over there in that cell, it's his turn to go home first, BRING IT ON BABY I'M STAYING AT THE HANOI HILTION."

OK

Compared to a guy who has maxed out every affirmative action program he can find including democratic delegate selections, McCain is SOLID, McCain is tougher and McCain can lead this nation's economy to strength.


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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

See, Dianne72 is doing what the New Yorker failed at. The thing is that the New Yorker wasn't over the top. There were outrageous things on the cover, but people were actually accusing Obama of those outrageous things. Maybe the flag in the fireplace was a bit over the top, but I think it fell flat. D72 is REALLY over the top. It's funny to try and picture Michelle Obama accentuating the air with a fist bump.

I know I'm the only one who thinks this way, but yeah...I think Dianne72 is funny.

And my pick goes to Wes Clark. That whole thing about what he said about McCain seems to have blown over. Besides, if there's anyone who can get away with saying something like that, its Clark.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 12, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Nov 5, 2008. Diane72, bleeding out on the floor, having realized Michelle Obama will be our next first lady.

Posted by: | August 12, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. She is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Posted by: Dianne72 | August 12, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

WOULD THE DEMOCRATIC - VICE PRESIDENTIAL - CANDIDATE PASS THE VETTING PROCESS WITH THIS LINEUP OF FRIENDS?


Pastor-mentor was - Rev Wright - who has - does preach - anti-American views - A 20 yr membership with a church deeply involved with the black liberation movement where allegiance is to Africa - first. Friend/neighbor/ fellow Woods Board member/known Weatherman - is terrorist Bill Ayres - who admitted bombing the US Pentagon - who also said he would have done more - if he could! Another friend - Louis Farrakkan of the Nation of Islam? What do they all have in common? All have a known opposition to the government of the United States of America.

So why is it that the Democratic leadership and Democratic party elected the - Flim Flam Obamaman - as their Presidential candidate who has these associations? Why are the vetting standards more stringent for the Vice President - yet the same standards are not required of the Presidential candidate?

It is not that the - Flim Flam Obamaman - is young and inexperienced - it is not that he is half black - it is his tendency to align himself with individuals who consider the US government as their enemy. Old adage: Birds of the feather flock together!

Wake up America! America cannot afford to have such a man elected to the highest office in our land - the Democrats should be ashamed of selecting him as their candidate and based on his history of choosing friends that are enemies of the United States - he is unqualified for the office of the presidency!

Definition of "flim flam" by Merriam-Webster on-line: deception, fraud, double dealing.

Posted by: Eileen | August 12, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Anon:

My question is whether there is some maneuver the DNC could use to prevent delegates from voting their "conscience" as the rules would seem to require...

could they somehow require the pledged delegates to vote their "pledge" in other words...

Posted by: scrivener | August 12, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain's line of attack - attacking Obama as another bimbo-eruption celebrity - is absolute GENIUS.

Obama is obsessed with his own ego which is hard to do.

McCain has found a way to define Obama and when a candidate is defined in a campaign it helps if it is true - and defining Obama as a bimbo-eruption is extremely accurate.

The people who support Obama have not evaluated his actual qualifications or skills which he will need to perform the actual position - their support has become a quasi-revival meeting joke.

The contrast between the two men can not be starker - when McCain was offered the opportunity to be released by the Vietnamese McCain stated "See that guy over there in that cell, it's his turn to go home first, BRING IT ON BABY I'M STAYING AT THE HANOI HILTION."

OK

Compared to a guy who has maxed out every affirmative action program he can find including democratic delegate selections, McCain is SOLID, McCain is tougher and McCain can lead this nation's economy to strength.

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

scrivener

They have to have a roll call of the States.

The Obama people should not allow Hillary's name to be placed.

My feeling is that the Obama people are saying they are going to do that simply to head off Hillary doing that and they have no intention to.

Clearly at this point there would be high drama and high risk if Hillary stated she wanted to place her name up for a vote.

Actually that is the Republicans' nightmare scenario: that somehow Obama would be cast aside and Hillary would all of a sudden out of the blue be the nominee full of steam. To be honest the Democrats' best chance to win in November is ANY THIRD CANDIDATE NOT OBAMA NOT HILLAY ANYONE ELSE.

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Bayh and Pawlenty are two nice guys and relative moderates, so it will hardly be a spectacle of partisan fireworks...

Unless the heat of battle and the gravity of the VP job hits them and they go after each other to stand up the best for "their guy."

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | August 12, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I HATE TO TELL ALL OF YOU NUTCASES HOWEVER THIS IS THE THIRD BUSH TERM.


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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION PARLIAMENTARIANS

Point of information:

I've been under the assumption that Dem delegates can vote their "conscience" even on the first ballot. If that is the case, as of tonight, there is no doubt that Hillary will receive a large, large number of votes on the "official" roll call -- even if the Obama camp tries to marginalize Clinton with a "symbolic" roll call.

Is there any way that Obama-controlled DNC could force an "acclamation proclamation"? Or would the rules guarantee that there is a genuine, democratic roll call vote, even if Hillary does not formally request that her name be placed in nomination?

Posted by: scrivener | August 12, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Since Barry Goldwater and Dr. Strangelove are not available, McCain the warmonger will likely choose Lieberman. None of the other Grand Oil Party right wingers are bellicose enough for McCain.

Posted by: Independent | August 12, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

▓◢█▇▆▅▄▃▂▁ NO THIRD TERM FOR THE DARK SIDE ▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█◣▓

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 12, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Michelle Shaniqua Obama will institute that fake holiday "Kwanza" once she gets in the White House? Do you think she will make the White House Easter bunny brown?

Posted by: Dianne72 | August 12, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

best post was the 1rst post.

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Lieberman? You've got to be kidding! Wasn't it that fat traitor that got Israel the AWAC plane that they sold to China (with all of our electronic warfare secrets)? I figure, one year into a McCain-Lieberman Administration, this country would tank so far and so fast that Hamas could start run a successful recruiting campaign here.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 12, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"His supporters insist that characterization is flawed and provide as evidence Bayh's recent one-on-one with Lieberman (a skilled debater no matter what else you might think of him)"

I think Joe Lieberman is a piece of $hi+ politician, and if I saw him on the street I would tell him, in no uncertain terms.

Debate that!

Posted by: bondjedi | August 12, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

An appearance on a Sunday talk show is the signal that Bayh will not be chosen. (Although it was immediately obvious Bayh's elevation in recent weeks was a smokescreen intended to freeze Hilliary.)

The same is true for most of the other 2nd Division Obama surrogates in recent weeks, like Kaine and Richardson. Once you saw any of those cats booked for an appearance, you could be sure they were not in serious consideration. (Obviously, this does not include long standing, effective speakers like McCaskill.)

The last thing Obama would have wanted in the past two to three months in his VP choice running his mouth on the talk shows.

You can be sure Obama's choice has been buttoned down for a long time and only Michelle, Axelrod, Plouffe and the VP know. The VP is Out of Sight, Out of Mind and Outrageously Obvious and has been campaigning for months without interference.

Posted by: dpl2102 | August 12, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse


And I think Obama should pick Bob Graham, as I think Kerry should have.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 8:44 PM

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I second that... both Diane is a "tard, and I like ANY Democrat that actually stood up to the repugs. My favorite is Leahy, but can't seem to get anyone interested, and I like graham because he was shooting down repug nonsense intell before the war started. PLUS---- he is a white hair, and from Florida. I think running a couple of Breck Boys, again (Kerry/Edwards) is foolhardy at best in these rather tenuous times. we need to know where the bodies are buried and a B**tard to jam a pencil in an eye or a shovel over the head of these destroyers of the constitution.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 12, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

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OMG!

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Chuck Hagel told Obama he won't endorse him after their Germany trip.


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Hagel is the third most liberal senator.
Obama is the first.


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Why did Hagel dump Obama?

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This is an Obama disaster.

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Obama should not have snobbed the injured troops so he could shoot hoops with the bros in Germany.

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I said the Euro trip was uber-STUPID!

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Will there be massive suicides on November 5 when everyone realizes Obama is the President elect and Michelle will be First Lady? At least we'll be free of some of these fool posters.

Posted by: Dianna72 1/2 | August 12, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

OMG! I just heard the ghetto-speak of Michelle Shaniqua Obama on NPR. She was trying to give a dignified speech but her inner-ghetto betrayed her whe she exclaimed to the audience, "can I get an amen".
Posted by: Dianne72 | August 12, 2008 6:43 PM

I guess once you've given up pretending not to be racist there's no point in trying to pretend not to be retarded as well.


And I think Obama should pick Bob Graham, as I think Kerry should have.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it Bayh who made some unmanly comments about Obama lacking two testicles when he was introducing Hillary near the end of the Indiana primary campaign. I believe Bayh said Hillary had "one" which he went on to say was more than Obama had.

If these comments were actually made by Bayh, then I suspect Senator Obama is looking somewhere else for a VP.

I still like Senator Casey of Pennsylvania or Senator Hagel of Nebraska as VP.

Posted by: Idahotreasures | August 12, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

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OMG!

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Chuck Hagel told Obama he won't endorse him after their Germany trip.


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Hagel is the third most liberal senator.
Obama is the first.


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Why did Hagel dump Obama?

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This is an Obama disaster.

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Obama should not have snobbed the injured troops so he could shoot hoops with the bros in Germany.

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I said the Euro trip was uber-STUPID!

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

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OMG!

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Chuck Hagel told Obama he won't endorse him after their Germany trip.


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Hagel is the third most liberal senator.
Obama is the first.


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Why did Hagel dump Obama?

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This is an Obama disaster.

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Obama should not have snobbed the injured troops so he could shoot hoops with the bros in Germany.

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I said the Euro trip was uber-STUPID!

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

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OMG!

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Chuck Hagel told Obama he won't endorse him after their Germany trip.


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Hagel is the third most liberal senator.
Obama is the first.


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Why did Hagel dump Obama?

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This is an Obama disaster.

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Obama should not have snobbed the injured troops so he could shoot hoops with the bros in Germany.

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I said the Euro trip was uber-STUPID!

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama will likely not pick Clinton or McCaskill. McCaskill will speak on the 1st night of the convention & Clinton on the 2nd. Unless 1 of them get 2 speeches, they are out. For all intentional purposes, they are out. Obama's 3rd night of the convention, when his VP will accept the nomination & speak, will be on national security. In my view, there is no way Obama will pick RI senator Jack Reed. Reed is up for re-election & RI has a Republican governor. Reed is assured re-election. If national security is the 3rd night issue, Tim Kaine delivering your big foreign policy speech almost rivals one given by Obama himself. Neither one of them have foreign policy experience. This fact doesn't bode well for Tim Kaine. Richardson fares so badly in the debates, I doubt Obama will pick him. Plus, having a black & hispanic male on the ticket may not bode to well, either. I know many of you will say that is a racist statement, but race plays a part in politics and that's a fact. The fact that the 3rd night is on foreign policy, it doesn't bode well for Kat Sebelius, either. So, being that Obama's 3rd night theme will be national security, the front runners have to be Evan Bayh & Chuck Hagel. The Democratic party base would likely go crazy if Obama picks Hagel, b/c Hagel is really conservative on social issues and he's pretty conservative fiscally as well. Now, an Obama/Hagel ticket would prove the last night's slogan of "change we can believe in" true. It shows a bi-partisan ticket, & bi-partisanship has always been important to Obama. I personally don't think Obama will go that extra mile to prove he's serious about that type of bi-partisanship. He will continue voting very liberally and speak a bi-partisan tone. Evan Bayh, with foreign policy & executive experience, has to be feeling good right now as the front-runner for the Democratic VP nomination.

On the other hand, McCain has a few options. I do think Pawlety is definately the front-runner. I thought Sarah Palin would make a great choice, but there is scandal written all over Alaska Republican politics right now...and McCain can't have that on national ticket so that eliminates her from the ticket. Tom Ridge becomes a more & more compelling choice. Ridge would likely deliver Pennsylvania to McCain, but he would also likely help in Michigan, Ohio & New Hampshire. Social conservatives may not be overly happy, but they will be motivated against Obama anyhow. But he would entice the fiscally conservative voters, due to his stint as Pa. governor. He has great national security bona fides, if something happened to McCain after he won, and would be "ready from day 1." Bobby Jindal would motivate the socially conservative base really well, but they will already be motivated against Obama. I think Pawlenty is the best choice, b/c he has the approval of fiscal & social conservatives. Plus, Pawlenty has a great personality & down to Earth persona that plays well with independents & moderate democrats as well as his policy positions playing well with conservatives. T-Paw has the "Sam's Club Republican" image. Good in democratic states like Minn., NH, Pa. & Michigan.

Wildcards: McCain can't totally ignore the social conservative vote, b/c Chuck Baldwin (Conservative party candidate) is on the ballot in alot of states. Plus, he can't take the Ron Paul R's for granted as L Barr/Root ticket will certainly be a force, on the ballot in around 45 states & will be strong. Barr & Baldwin have the potential to take votes from McCain. However, if McCain picks Pawlenty the Baldwin voters will be motivated to McCain/T-Paw & so will some of the Barr voters.

Obama must be careful of expectance of the black vote b/c Cynthia McKinney is still a factor. She will be on ballots in alot of states and could well shipon a portion of the black vote from Obama. She's running on slave reperations & a dept. of Peace, for crying out loud! Ralph Nader could also be a problem for Obama, especially Clinton voters & whites who feel economically oppressed.

That being said, my front-runners.

McCain:
1. Tim Pawlenty (Minn. gov)
2. Tom Ridge (Frmr. Pa gov & frm. Homeland Security Advisor)
3. Bobby Jindal
4. Joe Lieberman

Barack Obama:
1. Evan Bayh
2. Chuck Hagel
3. Tim Kaine
4. Kathleen Sebelius

My prediction: McCain/Pawlenty vs. Obama/Bayh

Posted by: reason | August 12, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

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OMG!

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Chuck Hagel told Obama he won't endorse him after their Germany trip.

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Hagel is the third most liberal senator.
Obama is the first.


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Why did Hagel dump Obama?

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This is an Obama disaster.

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Obama should not have snobbed the injured troops so he could shoot hoops with the bros in Germany.

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I said the Euro trip was uber-STUPID!

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Posted by: Lisa | August 12, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama, pick Tom Daschle please. Or, if you really want to cause a stir, pick Olympia Snowe.

Posted by: JoeinMN | August 12, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse


. . . sorry I was so excited I couldn't type out TWO COMPLETELY CLUELESS OLD FOOLS.

There.

Pawlenty is a tool.

McCain is doomed. Doomed. Read the polls, folks. GOP in 2008 = Doom. It is only a matter of the margin.

But with McLieberman. . . how crow that would be an outrageously funny circus.

Posted by: Christian in NYC | August 12, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Please DEAR GOD, please let McSame pick Lieberman. Please please please please please.

That would be completely hilarious and awesome.

Two utterly clues old fools -- I am McLovin' it!

Posted by: Christian in NYC | August 12, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Justin

and for your information the NYTimes article was a touch on the top of what that committee is...

it did not go into the hypocrisy of someone not voting for Condaleeza Rice because of her involvement in the "architecture of the Iraq war" when he was the architecture's "honorary co-chair for sales"

His VP nomination would remove Obama a huge headache and remove any judgement on the ticket. This was not a guy who just voted for the war...this is a guy who worked with all of these government military contract lobbyists to SELL the war.

It is hard enough to justify a mistaken vote... it is another thing to justify your active incvolvement selling us on this...the biggest strategic blunder in our nation's history.

Posted by: dl | August 12, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Hi Fixola. (I would have stayed in Argentina, personally.) Bayh is still too weedy, I fear. Nice 'n' all but too weedy. Sebelius would be better and more persuasive and her 'dignitas' would probably deter any vicious attacks from the Repug side. Whoever he chooses, though, Obama won't be basing his choice on electoral votes (Well, I hope!).

p.s. Loserman is not good at debating (unless you mean the maths kind which we are all good at)

Posted by: Count Bayhcee | August 12, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Justin do you even know what The Committee for Liberation of Iraq was?

It was chaired by the men whose companies received the largest contracts out of Iraq.

It was presided over by Randy Scheunneman.

Scott McLellan has now come out and said this committee was created and given the duties of "selling the war"

There were three honorary co-chairs...Mccain, Lieberman...and (drumroll) Bayh.
It is a lobbying organization that pressed across the country on news outlets and organizations like AIPAC to sell this war.

Being one of three honorary co-chairs and an active member of the organization that's sole purpose to get us into this war is NOT the same as a vote for the war.

This nixes him.

and as far as your really dumb comment that blogosphere people should have done research or whatever...

Duh, it is not the blogosphere that will be affected...IT IS THE VOTERS IN GENERAL.

who will find out...as they are starting to.

It will be Biden.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Dianne72 is back. Are you joining the prayer vigil with the Dobson bunch, to rain out Obama's acceptance speech? I was listening to Limbaugh the other day and he had a Dianne-X on...and on and on. She was going off about 1200 bombers and half a doxen mother mombers, alien spacecraft, thought control, and LOTS of other intersting stuff. Was that, by chance, YOU?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 12, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"OMG! I just heard the ghetto-speak of Michelle Shaniqua Obama on NPR. She was trying to give a dignified speech but her inner-ghetto betrayed her whe she exclaimed to the audience, "can I get an amen""


God, I know I shouldn't find this stuff funny, but I laughed aloud at this.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

OMG! I just heard the ghetto-speak of Michelle Shaniqua Obama on NPR. She was trying to give a dignified speech but her inner-ghetto betrayed her whe she exclaimed to the audience, "can I get an amen".

Posted by: Dianne72 | August 12, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"dl", I find your comment intolerable in terms of ignorance. First, what you and everyone in the public thinks of the NYT article will have ZERO effect on the VP vetting ... They (vetters) already knew about this and have expected this to be one of the cons that would come up in terms of Bayh. All the contenders have cons. 2nd, Biden supported the war too. Doesn't matter that Bayh "more strongly supported" it than Biden. You either voted for the war or you didn't, and that's what's important. And I'm sure that the vetters aren't going to "overcorrect" their suggested choice to Obama of Kaine to Biden all because some people in the blogosphere hadn't done their homework and are now having a little drama-rama over this co-chairing thing the NYT finally brought up.

Posted by: Justin | August 12, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd vote for Hagel in a heartbeat... a refreshing man, honest and with morals, in contrast to that bath in the cesspool we have had lately with the Clinton and Bush crowds.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 12, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

and just a little note on sept 10th

Biden gets recognized at a dinner for leading the list of all the members of congress for actually getting stuff done for working mothers


you think Obama is going to pass that up

Posted by: dl | August 12, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Chris

Bayh just got the nail shot in him...

I don't think many realized his involvement with the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq...for which he also served as honorary chair for a time...

The other honorary chairs (an active position)

were Joe Lieberman and John Mccain.

The President of the committee...Randy Scheunneman...

and what Scott McClellan has verified was created by Bush and Cheney as the PR arm to sell us to get us into the war.

Bayh was HONORARY C0-Chair. Literally

that is a ...no THE deal breaker.

MSNBC and ABC news and Rachel Maddow started reporting it over the past 48 hrs.

It won't be Bayh... it would be shooting his candidacy in the head.

Like I said from the beginning like em or not...it's Biden.

Posted by: dl | August 12, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

What will happen in 8 years? Also, would a VP Hagel pull a Supreme Court Justice move and go from one perceived ideology to somewhat more conservative GOP views?
*****

does anyone care about the jurisprudential views of vice presidents???

Posted by: rrrr | August 12, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Chris, welcome back and thank you so much for that fantastic clip of Bayh beating Lieberman like a drum. I had no idea he had it in him! Sold. If this is the VP I am all for it. Though still loyally, at the moment, supporting favorite son and wonderful governor Tim Kaine, who is the sentimental favorite in our house.

And as I keep pointing out, picking Bayh surely has the big upside of lots of John Cougar Mellencamp video replays, don't you think? He performed for BOTH Clinton and Obama during the Indiana primary and he has great progressive tunes like Rain on the Scarecrow and the classic American progressive rock video (watch it again if you doubt me) The Authority Song.

So there you have it.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | August 12, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I like him in this clip. It reminds me of some of the Al Gore debates. Gore was kind of vanilla as a presidential candidate, but I remember the VP debates being a lot more exciting than the Prez debates.

Seems like someone who can fight without being dirty.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

Bayh doesn't bring enough passion to win over Hillary Dems. (Of course that won't matter when Hillary throws the nomination to Gore.) Obama wins Indiana without Bayh; he could hint that Bayh will get a cushy admin job for an extra boost.

Obama needs to shore up his disillusioned base. He needs Catholics. And he needs a sagacious presence who knows how to fight without stepping into his own droppings. That spells Dodd.

Pawlenty does nothing for McCain. He's unknown, and lacks excitement.

Portman sounded like Mr. President when he appeared last week on Sheiffer, almost too good for Number Two. McCain's having his strings pulled by his new order campaign strategists. He's already chafing. He won't be anybody's puppet, unless they get to him. If the North Vietnamese couldn't break him, I don't think he'll break now, his "senior moments" notwithstanding.

McCain is likely to go with Huckabee. His base would eat it up; he's an exciting campaigner and something of a libertarian on Big Government issues. He'll nuance his stand on creationism and make nice to the Jews by emphasizing his support of Israel and human rights.

Lieberman is a non-starter; wasn't he the "Loserman" in "Sore-Loserman"? He is widely scorned and would lose McCain potential votes from centrists and independents who think Obama doesn't qualify for the top job.

McCain is likely to go with Huckabee. His base would eat it up; he's an exciting campaigner and something of a libertarian on Big Government issues. He'll nuance his stand on creationism and make nice to the Jews by emphasizing his support of Israel and human rights. And he was a fiscally responsible governor, or so he said.

So if it's a nice day, I'll be skipping the Sunday chats, unless Huckabee and/or Dodd pop up on the sked... or how about you on "Meet"? This is a plug!

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER... when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are stalking and harassing American citizens outside the bounds of the law?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

Posted by: scrivener | August 12, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I doubt the Democrat establishment would go for Hagel, especially if he maintained his GOP credentials (as liberal Republican as they may be). What will happen in 8 years? Also, would a VP Hagel pull a Supreme Court Justice move and go from one perceived ideology to somewhat more conservative GOP views? I still would like to see this happen as a nod toward true bi-partisan commitment.

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Posted by: Al | August 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman a skilled debater??

Take a look at his "debate" with Cheney.

Oh, that's right, he threw that debate.

Posted by: Fred D | August 12, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

My worry with Bayh is that he will be more concerned with preserving his own image & future viability than ensuring an Obama victory...similarly to the dynamic that made Edwards an ineffective candidate in 04

I favor Biden because he has nothing to lose and has proven himself to be a bitingly effective attack dog

Posted by: Eamon | August 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

And who can forget how Lloyd Bentsen's spanking Dan Quayle all the way around the room helped THAT ticket....

Posted by: mollusk | August 12, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

No worries. McCain will NOT pick Lieberman just as Obama will NOT pick Hagel. While both senators have been supportive of the opposing parties nominee (Lieberman much more so than Hagel), in the end McCain and Obama have to please their base and BOTH senators are non starters because of their past voting records on positions on social issues. I'm not sure I buy Cizilla's theory of "try outs" all that much this time around. I suspect that Obama has already made up his mind and will announce that he is selecting Gen. Wesley Clark as his vice presidential nominee on Monday. This, despite, Clark's comments about McCain's "getting shot down doesn't qualify you to be president" remarks. While Clark's comments may have been impolitic and tactless, he has proven that he can fight back aggressively and even take the offense on military and national security given his stellar record as NATO supreme commander during Bosnia. This in contrast to Bush and McCain's failed policies in Iraq. Obama/Clark '08.

Posted by: BillBolducinMaine | August 12, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty likely isn't 'ready for primetime', but he seems to do well on the Sunday shows. He appeared across from Kaine several months back (on MTP?), and acquited himself fairly well. His style is to pick a theme and doggedly stick with it; the way I recall the exchange, TP asked Kaine to name an Obama accomplishment in the Senate. Kaine punted. Score: TP 1, TK 0. Bayh would do well to review recent TP appearances to get a hint at the likely line(s) of attack.

Posted by: bsimon | August 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman the slimebag. Ugh...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/12/132835/903/712/566784

Great little video of 18 years of McCain's incestuous relationship with lobbyists.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman? You've got to be kidding! Wasn't it that fat traitor that got Israel the AWAC plane that they sold to China (with all of our electronic warfare secrets)? I figure, one year into a McCain-Lieberman Administration, this country would tank so far and so fast that Hamas could start run a successful recruiting campaign here.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

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