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Wag the Blog: Did the Tea Parties Succeed?


Protesters gathered for anti-tax tea parties yesterday. Photo by Emmanuel Dunand of AFP/Getty Images

The tea parties are over.

Did they work?

That depends on whom you ask.

"Whipped up by conservative commentators and bloggers, tens of thousands of protesters staged 'tea parties' around the country Wednesday to tap into the collective angst stirred up by a bad economy, government spending and bailouts," wrote the Associated Press.

Republicans touted the day as the first sign of an re-energizing of their grassroots base -- a moment former House Speaker Newt Gingrich compared to the populist rage tapped into by Texan Ross Perot during his 1992 independent bid for president.

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford said he stayed up until 12:30 in the morning to watch the coverage of the tea parties and insisted: "I think something is going on out there."

Democrats -- particularly the party's netroots -- were vigilant in their attempts to paint the events as total failures, documenting low turnout at events around the country and the rallies' organizational ties to major Washington conservative groups.

"The pushback against the 'grass roots' nature of these demonstrations has been remarkably successful," wrote Jane Hamsher on her Firedoglake blog. "Nobody seriously thinks it's a "grass roots" movement and its astroturf origins are clear."

One thing is indisputable: the tea parties drew considerable press attention on national cable networks and would have have dominated even more were it not for Susan Boyle.

For today's Wag the Blog question, we want to hear your opinion on whether the tea parties were a sign of the rebirth of the conservative movement or the latest symbol of the lack of true energy and excitement on the right. Or, is it somewhere in between?

We know this is an issue that arouses the passions of partisans on both sides. Let's try to keep the discussion from descending into a simple game of name-calling (yes, we are aware of the double meaning of "teabagging").

The most thoughtful/insightful comments will be featured in their own Fix post over the weekend.

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“Why are our most honest and insightful takes coming from non-journalists like Jeanane and Jon Stewart?”

JG has failed in all attempts at a career. Not much of an actress or comedian. That makes her qualified and insightful to broadwayjoe. She doesn’t over generalize much in her hateful rant does she? Jon Stewart, has taken on a fake surname, ashamed of his Jewish heritage, not the courageous figure he wants to portray.

Posted by: leapin | April 20, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't know that it was a success. Time will tell. I'm in Indianapolis, a hotbed of conservatism...in a red state that went blue in November. I doubt that no more than a handful of people who actually voted for BO were at any of the rallies here. Their minds were made up long before 1/20/09.

Posted by: cordermary | April 19, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

So far as the left/lefts getting in a stir about the tea party deal.. they seem to react from fear of the right.. maybe it goes back to the Gore/2000 debacle.

It seems that the people who always preach love and tolerance (for their beliefs/causes) don't hold the same standard for those with opposing viewpoints. Haters hate.. doesn't matter if you are hating races or cultural leanings.. they just hate.

Posted by: newbeeboy | April 18, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Let activist (and superb actress) Jeanane Garofalo have the last word on the so-called "Tea Bag" Parties. Hint: They weren't about tea or bags or teabags:

Here's pure Garofalo, straight up, from Obermann's show--

“Let’s be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It’s not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea party was about. They don’t know their history at all. It’s about hating a black man in the White House,” she said on MSNBC’s “The Countdown” with Keith Olbermann Thursday evening. “This is racism straight up and is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. There is no way around that.”

_______

Why are our most honest and insightful takes coming from non-journalists like Jeanane and Jon Stewart?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 18, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Florida is overflowing with sour grapes from the election. The same people who allowed crazies to yell "kill him" at Palin rallies in Clearwater are now tea bagging each other all across the south.
Fools like this are easily manipulated by the wealthy power structure that wants to maintain the status quo.
What would Rupert Murdoch do without such useful idiots?

Posted by: seemstome | April 18, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Interesting...According to the Congressional Budget Office, the last President to have revenues greater than outlays was Clinton. Any guesses as to who did it before him? Give you a hint...it was 1969. Gee who was President in 1969? How ironic.

Posted by: justacitizen | April 17, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

As I suspected, a list of numbers by location held no surprises. The White Southerner took a real beating in the last election, and that's who made up the non-trivial crowds. Perhaps these gatherings of distraught November losers, all so recently booted from coddled base to nowhere, have shown us that now they've progressed in their Kubler-Ross stages of grief from denial to anger. We'll have to be on the lookout for bargaining, depression and acceptance in their turns.

Posted by: bampbs | April 17, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

IT SEEMS THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TRYING TO RETURN US TO THE WAYS OF DICTATORSHIP. IT WAS FIRST DONE BY DISGRACED RICHARD NIXON AND WATERGATE. THE SECOND TIME WAS BY "W" FOR 2 TERMS.
ANYBODY WHO CAN SKEWER REALITY IS THE NEWT WHO IS FAMOUS FOR GOING AFTER PRESIDENT CLINTON FOR SOME CIGAR SMOKING IN THE OVAL OFFICE ALL THE TIME WHILE HE WAS CARRYING ON AN AFFAIR WITH HIS SECRETARY.
AT ONE RALLY NOBODY WANTED TO HEAR THAT UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA THEY WERE GETTING A TAX BREAK. NO, THEY BOOED HIM. IT GOES TO SHOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT DOES FOR THE NON-RICH OF AMERICA WE WILL GET BOOED ALL THE TIME.
IT IS TIME FOR AMERICA TO WAKE UP TO THE PHONIES IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND START TO LET THE POLICIES OF OUR NEW PRESIDENT WORK.

Posted by: JAMESRADAMCHECK | April 17, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

'spitting on the troops when they came back from Nam" No urban legends either, please. "That is a lie. They were spit on by the libbies, draft dodging hippies of the day.Many of these men still feel the scars today. "Still have flash backs blood,heat,humidity,wet at all times,jungles,bugs,fear and having survived we landed in san fran safe at last only to be taunted and spit on . " Posted by: betsy3

Hate to rain on your parade, Besty3, but, having come home from Viet Nam directly four times, and back from SEA twice more, I can tell you that anyone who would have been trying to spit on me would have to have been in the Air Force.

Returnees from Viet Nam flew into some Air base or other, mostly (Travis was the main base for troops coming into California) and bused to Oakland Army Terminal, where they turned in their jungle fatigue, were processed, paid, and ticketed for their next duty station, or REFRADed or ETSed if they didn't have any more active duty requirement. Since we were being moved to and from Viet Nam as individual replacements we had no return ceremonies. When the last of the troops came out as units, they went directly to their next bases. So any GIs who were spat on weren't spat on during their return, and I seriously doubt that very many were spat on by whoever greeted them when they got home, because we went home, as individuals, to be met by our families.

(A great many of us were discriminated against when we went looking for jobs, but those nice Republican businessmen who did that could do it without even working up a sweat, so THEY certainly didn't need to spit on us.)

But That is just the experience of one Viet nam Vet, and I would hate to gainsay any good chicken hawks who want to use the poor reviled vet for their campaign fodder.

Posted by: ceflynline | April 17, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 –

Your arrogance is only exceeded by Obama’s. You make a lot of assumptions about me and you know bromide about assuming. By the way, at any time, you can write checks out to the Treasury to help out your fellow citizens. The government will put it to efficient, non-fradulent use.

Posted by: leapin | April 17, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

According to this blog if you disagree, per your rights, with Obama and you're white then your a racist. More accurately because Obama is bi-racial you are 1/2 a racist. If you disagree with Obama and you're non-white then you're an Uncle Tom. What about the numerous ageist, sexist, and racial comments about "old, white guys"? Not even necessarily based on disagreement just real hypocritical prejudice.

Posted by: leapin | April 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU LIBERAL ELITISTS!It may be true that no liberals wanted bush to suceed. However, I did not hear a liberal say they wanted him to fail. Which is exactly what the "conservatives" did. If Obama fails America fails.
Why a rally at the Alamo where we got our azzes kicked? That was a good laugh. There was no cohesiveness to the teaparty rallies. People were angry about higher taxes==the majority of them make under 4100K a year so they were not affected by any tax hike.
The shouts of secession reminded me less of the Spirit of 1776 but more of the fever that started the Civil War. I really believe that the GOP fanning these flames of revolution and secession is extremely dangerous territory and will probably blow up in their faces - let's hope it doesn't involve the loss of lives when it does.
Amen. The states involved need to return their Stimulos funds AND citizens need to return any federal refund.
Educate yourselves about limbaugh:

Bill Mann: Limbaugh's Dirty Little Secret of Radio "Success" Apr 12, 2009 ... Ever wonder why Rush "Boss" Limbaugh's syndicated radio show is all ... The reason he's so popular is he speaks the truth...and because no ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mann/limbaughs-dirty-little-se_b_185965.html - 207k -

Posted by: katerinaDeligiannis | April 17, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Go to the mall and find a young child who is throwing a tantrum because he is not getting what he wants. When the Republicans were on top they would rail against poor parenting while the Democrats would tie themselves in knots over the poor little thing. The tea parties are that spoiled kid at the mall having their own day. It's a navel gazing, pity party and is only digging deeper the rut in which the Republicans find themselves.

To correct The Fix, there is only one definition, not two, of teabagging and the Republicans are doing it to themselves.

Posted by: caribis | April 17, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

In JAX, FL we have the 6th lowest tax rate in the nation. We also have one of the worst public school systems and the third highest murder rate. You get what you pay for! These rallies were not about taxes, because as was exposed by the speaker in Pensacola, FL, once he pointed out that the folks making less than 250K per year were getting a tax break, people in thew crowd started booing. The rallies were about the folks who are scared of having a Black Man in the White House, and it just makes me sad.

Posted by: juliinjax | April 17, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I cherish the right to protest. However I can't ever remember a TV outlet promoting such an event. Were these paid promotions, if so, who paid for them? If MSNBC had promoted anti-war protests (that did happen around the nation) what would the rest of the press said?

Posted by: phsato | April 17, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

@carrib
First no one is suggesting "that you can spend your way out of debt". What is being suggested is the we need to spend without regard to deficits in order to prevent the current recession from becoming a depression. This is based on the idea that Hoover's belt tightening made things worse, FDR's spending kept the Great Depression in check, and the massive spending of WWII finally pulled us out.

Second railing against pork is not a plan. No one likes 'pork', but it's too often in the eye of the beholder. If the most outrageous part in the Stimulus package is Volcano monitoring then it's a solid bill. The irony of the governor of a state recently ravaged by a hurricane arguing against monitoring for the onset of a natural disaster was almost too good to be true.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Defense Spending in general, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are the major sinkholes in our budget. Will a 10% flat tax fully fund them or will their be cuts? If cuts are required where and how deep? When the majority of the people weren't worried about loosing their job or being bankrupted by an illness tax cuts without regard to the spending they would inevitably kill weren't an issue. Times are different now.

Going back to the original question of whether or not this helps get the GOP back in the game as a contender, it doesn't, because it only plays to the GOP base. When you're in power and times are good you can play to the base and convince the middle that the devil you know is still better than the devil you don't. When you're out of power and are times are bad you have to play to the middle and convince your base that the alternative is too scary for them to stay home.

Posted by: foxn | April 17, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Did the tea parties succeed? Well, if they change votes in future elections they did. Here's a straw poll of one (me). I'm an independent voter, the kind of voter that the tea party folks need to swing. Holding signs that say "Fascist" and "Communist" and "Where's Obama's Birth Certificate" aren't persuasive arguments to me. GWB got us into this mess, but Obama is to blame? It smacks of crazy. I plan to vote for sane.

Posted by: Cyclopsina | April 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The chutzpah of the right-wingers never ceases to amaze me. Run the country into a ditch and then go crazy over the attempts to repair the consequences.
But these folks would go crazy no matter what Obama would do. One of my worse fears is that the right-wing could come back into power. They just can't wait to find a demagogue to restore us all to insanity.
Scary stuff.

Posted by: patcaplanandrews | April 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Taxes will always incite passion, but other than Rush Limbaugh, I don't hear a lot of wealthy people complaining about their taxes or whining at tea parties, especially after President Obama told Bill O'Reilly in an interview that he doesn't mind paying a little bit more.

Posted by: jrosco3 | April 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The tea parties are but an indication of what is to come. These parties signal the beginning of the end to liberal control of congress, our lives and our money.

Posted by: rudeford | April 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The tea parties are but an indication of what is to come. The "silent majority" is starting to awake. At the very least it signals a end to liberal left control of congress, our life and our ability to earn a living and keep what we earn.

Posted by: rudeford | April 17, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Poor strategy on the part of the Republican leadership (if there is such a thing as Republican leadership right now).

To mainstream independent voters, the teaparties looked like gatherings of crackpots. Workaday white suburbanites who used to vote Republican because they were somehow convinced the R's were more patriotic and stabalizing will hardly identify with the Republican Governor of Texas who used a teaparty to call for secession from the United States.

To people of color, the tea parties tended to look a lot like Klan rallies.

Besides, most of those suburbanites were hurrying to the post office to file their taxes so they could start enjoying their refunds. Not the most fertile atmosphere in which to foment secessionist revolution.

Posted by: Stonecreek | April 17, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

This is beyond ironic. These are the same mini flag wavers that lined America's streets after the so called shock and awe invasion of Iraq, following an idiot into an ill conceived attack and occupation with no exit strategy. This is where are tax monies have been going, to support a war we were lied to about...fact.

Those at the spectacle yesterday were spewing hate toward failed bush policies they have supported for eight years...the same ones that got us here. Organizing those who cannot think for themselves.

I think it was a huge failure for the conservative organizers, short sighted and under appreciating the intelligence of a new, engaged and informed public. I think it was a victory for those of us who supported a strong, focused leader and trust his team to fix the incredible mess we've inherited.

Connie Amidei

Posted by: ConnieAmidei | April 17, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

The problem I see with the extensive TV reporting is that no one addressed the nature of what we were seeing. As someone who has worked for civil rights most of my life, I was shocked to see the thinnly sublimated rage over the fact that our President is Black. Some reporters commented on the number of signs calling Pres. Obama, in strange confict, of beeing a communist, socialist, fascist any another "ist" they could think of. One poster compared him to Hitler. What nobody seemed to notice was that the thrust of the putative grass roots demonstrations was racist.

Posted by: sforstenzer | April 17, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The problem I see with the extensive TV reporting is that no one addressed the nature of what we were seeing. As someone who has worked for civil rights most of my life, I was shocked to see the thinnly sublimated rage over the fact that our President is Black. Some reporters commented on the number of signs calling Pres. Obama, in strange confict, of beeing a communist, socialist, fascist any another "ist" they could think of. One poster compared him to Hitler. What nobody seemed to notice was that the thrust of the putative grass roots demonstrations was racist.

Posted by: sforstenzer | April 17, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama needs to acknowledge the people who are dissatisfied. He can probably win again without us, but life would be easier for everyone if he would open his mind to our complaints.

Posted by: newbeeboy | April 17, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

"If people keep screaming and name-calling then people like me will only think you are troublemakers and ignore you. Enough like me and your ideas will never be heard."

The problem for the Republicans is that Democrats have really closed up the media gap. Of course Republicans opinion will continue to dominate radio and television, but Democrats have really equalized things with the internet. All of the slander against Obama during the election was countered with great speed the way it never was during the swiftboating of Kerry. Any of the FOX News nonsense is quickly countered. When Sean Hannity tried to make it look like Obama was ashamed of the US, people jumped on it and showed how Hannity took Obama out of context. When George Will published his lies about global warming, the blogs jumped all over it and even the Ombudsman had to get into it. I can't imagine that would have happened five years ago. Will and Hannity would have been challenged.

And the same thing with the tea parties. Of course FOX News covered it as an organic grassroots groundswell, but the alternative media quickly pounced on the whole farce as a creation of FOX with major corporate sponsors. The heads on the network continue to talk it up and blame the biased MSM and nonsense like that, but no one takes these things seriously. These tea parties are generating a lot more discussion than any antiwar demonstration, but the antiwar demonstrations generated conversation on the war and Bush and whatnot.

With the tea parties, we aren't talking about Obama's policies. We're talking about how real or fake the whole thing is.

It's cool how this has worked out.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 17, 2009 5:20 AM | Report abuse

I wish the states dancing around the secession issue would just render a decision already. You don't half-step with treason and splitting from the most powerful country on Earth. You can't use the threat of secession as a threat -- hell, someone might just take you up on it.

For Texas, I can't wait for someone in the federal government to call their bluff on secession. I'd really like to see the governor get on the horn and start making some treaties with Mexico. Oh wait, those rebel flags were all empty gestures after all? Back up your rhetoric or put it away please.

Posted by: newprince | April 17, 2009 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are a sorry bunch of sore losers who are unwilling to acknowledge defeat.

Their arrogance and hubris are on display across the country as they struggle to come to terms with the reality that the public has rejected them and their ideas.

For some reason they believe it's a fluke - a mere blip on the radar screen that will go away once people return to their senses.

I pity Republicans. The GOP has become the pity-party.

Posted by: DrainYou | April 17, 2009 3:11 AM | Report abuse

Trying to keep this respectful (calling each other names really doesn't help anything);

While watching news coverage one protester called Pres. Obama a fascist, but could not or would not explain why this tea party supported that claim, or why he believed it.

The sign at the beginning of this shows what many of these protests became. Unfortunately it is images like these that stay in peoples minds, not signs actually voicing truthful sentiments.

Do people have a right to be upset over the amounts the government is spending? Of course they do. But if they feel this strongly about all of this then please offer an alternative. If you want your taxes lowered, what services are you willing to give up? Medicare? Education? Military?

The unfortunate truth is that some people (not only Republicans and not only Democrats) got the country into a mess. Right now the majority of the government seems to feel that this is the only way to fix the problems. If you have better ideas then perhaps if they were presented to your elected officials in a sane and respectful manner people would listen. I know I would.

If people keep screaming and name-calling then people like me will only think you are troublemakers and ignore you. Enough like me and your ideas will never be heard.

Posted by: alysheba_3 | April 17, 2009 2:40 AM | Report abuse

This is becoming the season of phony outrage. First there was the phony outrage by Obama, most Senators and Representatives about the truly outrageous AIG bonuses. These "tea parties" are primarily more phony outrage. Where were these people during the Bush presidency, when taxes were as high or low as they are now, and gargantuan deficits rapidly replaced Clinton's gift of a huge surplus?

I doubt if most of the people who appeared in these basically phony protests will have their taxes raised by Obama and the Democrats in Congress. The "tea parties" shows how clueless the GOP is in offering a viable alternative to any flaws in the Obama/Democratic agenda.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | April 17, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

The teabagger parties were made up almost exclusivly of angry old Republican white guys. They looked like Klan rallies minus the hoods, which is pretty much what they were. The hate Obama because he's black...period, end of story.

The GOP may be a useless, never ending black hole of a political party nowadays but the comedy material they provide us with is priceless. I haven't laughed as hard as I did yesterday in a looooong time.


Posted by: DrainYou | April 17, 2009 1:50 AM | Report abuse

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU LIBERAL ELITISTS!

... this isn't about Dems vs. Reps. This is about America. True conservatives spoke out against Bush on many things. We are not blind kool aid drinkers. We put country first, party second. That is something the Liberals do not do. Show me one liberal who said they hope Bush succeeded?

What we have going on now is pushing through a radical Liberal agenda, the cost to America be damned. AND I DO MEAN COST! When we have to PRINT money to pay for our spending, we are in DEEP DEEP trouble.

Running trillion dollar deficits is criminal. The debt we are sticking to our children is criminal. Obama has offered no solutions to pay for his spending. You may not care that your children have trillions in debt, or that our taxes are going to have to skyrocket to pay for this someday. BUT I DO, AS DO ALL THE PEOPLE AT THE TEAPARTIES.. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT!

Obama knows our taxes will have to skyrocket to pay for this and he doesn't care... look up his comments regarding energy costs skyrocketing with his carbon cap tax. He doesn't care as long as the liberal agenda is met. WAKE UP!

SHAME ON YOU FOR TRYING TO SPIN THEM INTO SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT, SHAME ON YOUR FOR DISMISSING THEM, MORE IMPORTANTLY SHAME ON YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR PARTY BEFORE YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE. I HAVE LEARNED LONG AGO THAT LIBERALS HAVE NO SHAME.

ONCE AGAIN YOU SHOW YOUR ARROGANCE AND YOUR ELITISM. ALL DONE UNDER THE BANNER OF CHANGE AND HOPE. DISGUSTING!

Posted by: DreamWeaver1

Posted by: betsy3 | April 17, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Dana Milbank trashed me

That’s right – me. And I didn’t do a thing to him – until now.

Dana Milbank, Washington Post’s token commentator about a national protest against taxation without representation, said it was a “washout.” But that wasn’t enough.

He accused me of being a Fox News fan. I’m not. He accused me of serving up a “noxious brew.” I didn’t. He accused me of holding up mean signs that were against Obama. I didn’t. I had a positive sign in view, too, that he could have mentioned. He accused me, and everyone there, of being right-wing extremists.

Au contraire (an elitist’s translation of no way Jose) and Fox didn’t contact me in an attempt to stage a GOP rally. I am not a Republican or a Democrat or extremist in any way. I am Independent and proud of it. America has always put great stock in independence.

But…

I am not going to rest until banks and other financial entities are independent of the entrenched, self-serving oligarchy that is calling all of America’s shots today.

I am not going to rest until that oligarchy is severed from my Congress and my president, whoever they may be. They must be independent, too, except from our country’s laws.

I am not going to rest until we have a balanced budget without going around a generational mulberry bush to get it.

I am not going to rest until lies are punished and truth is rewarded. Neither party has been handy with the truth. They’ve only been handy with lies and obfuscation.

Dana Milbank, you proved something today that I didn’t know before now. You are either a biased big-government lover or a toady for your biased bosses.

Stilson Hutchins, founder of the Washington Post as a Democratic voice, later cut his ties with the Democratic Party, bought out the Republican competition paper and made it independent. It should have stayed that way.

And BTW, we noticed that you used the rainy weather to further your slant by saying protesters had to pull their feet from the muddy “muck,” a hidden reference to, you know, muck-raking. For your reference, it was all sunshine down here in Arkansas, Texas and Louisiana. Probably at a lot of other places, too.

And that is what we all want, a little sunshine on things that go on in Washington.


Posted by: edithmfletcher

Posted by: betsy3 | April 17, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

One message that was loud and clear at the protests was that while “Republican Principles” may not be a huge problem “Unprincipled Republicans” are. Another message that was clear from protesters who voted for Obama was also appearent’ “while we understood that when we voted for Obama that government would grow, we had no idea it would be this much or like this” and as more people get informed on what has been going on the more those ranks will swell
700 Tea Party Protests: Indianapolis 15000, Atlanta 20000, San Antonio 20000, Sacramento 20000….
AND ATLANTA IS ALREADY PLANNING ANOTHER ONE. WAY TO GO ATLANTA.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 17, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

SUCESS YES
CNN) — Texas Gov. Rick Perry isn't ruling out the possibility his state may one day secede from the nation.

Speaking to an energetic and angry TEA PARTY crowd in Austin Wednesday evening, the Lone Star State governor suggested secession may happen in the future should the federal government not change its fiscal polices.
His comments come a week after endorsing a resolution in the Texas state House reasserting state sovereignty over federal mandates.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 17, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

WAS JANET NAPOLITANO SET UP BY RIGHT-WING ELEMENTS WITHIN DHS?


• Internal "psy ops" aimed at the top?

Surely, lower-level officials knew that on the eve of the "TEA Party" demonstrations, a report singling out right-wing extremists and veterans would be greeted with scorn and anger -- and that Secretary Napolitano and the Obama administration would be the lighting rod for such criticism.


It may be no accident that the very groups cited by the DHS report represent some of the core elements of so-called organized community "gang stalking" -- a nationwide legion of local citizen armies who hunt down, harass, vandalize and even physically assault persons "targeted" by government agencies.


Gang stalking victims have gathered evidence that indicates these vigilantes are fronted by volunteer organizations funded by various agencies of DHS -- with the knowledge, support, and possibly, direction, of DHS-affiliated officials on the federal and local levels.


Secretary Napolitano, Assistant Director of Policy Heyman and other high DHS officials:


Please read the following articles. The most serious threat to the mission of DHS could be extremists under your command.


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/domestic-torture-radiation-weaponry-americas-horrific-shame

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 17, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Het carrib if you are trying to get sympathy from me for smokers WOW HAVE YOU CHOSEN A FUTILE TASK!!!!

Every smoker in America can keel over right now and nothing could make me happier. Smoking is ELECTIVE, you know!

Posted by: chrisfox8

Hmm then what would the states and the fed do if they didn't have smokers to tax for the money they need? They don't want people to stop smoking! They would lose a huge revenue source. But you know what, maybe they would start taxing something you liked at a really heavy rate to make up the difference. How would you like that chrisoutfoxed?

Posted by: betsy3 | April 17, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

jrm2: nothing to be afraid of with socialized medicine.

You got to be kidding right? Read the stats for Canadian wait times. Many patients come to the US for cancer treatments because the waits are so long.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/TPHealth18.html

The estimated number of Canadians waiting for medical care also rose from 840,358 in 1999 to 878,008 in 2000-01, or over 2.85% of the total Canadian population of 30.8 million. To put these figures into perspective, if the U.S. had the same health system as Canada almost7.9 million Americans would be waiting for treatment.2

Of the 10 Canadian provinces, Saskatchewan had the longest median waiting time at 28.9 weeks, (6.7 months) and Ontario the shortest at 13.9 weeks (3.2 months).

Among the twelve medical specialties surveyed, the longest waiting times were for ophthalmology (cataract removal, cornea transplant, treatment of glaucoma, etc.) at 27.9 weeks (6.4 months), and orthopedic surgery at 26.4 weeks (6 months). However, in some provinces typical waiting times for some procedures can be more than a year. For example, the median wait for neurosurgery in Manitoba is 66 weeks (15.2 months), while the wait for orthopedic surgery is 67.4 weeks (15.6 months) in Saskatchewan and 70.8 weeks (16.4 months) in New Brunswick.

Nationwide, the shortest waits in Canada were for cancer chemotherapy at 5.0 weeks and radiation therapy at 8.9 weeks (2 months). However, patients needing chemotherapy can expect to wait 10 weeks (2.3 months) in Saskatchewan and 12.6 weeks (2.9 months) in Newfoundland.

Given these waiting times, it is not surprising that Canadian physicians reported in the survey that 1.7% of all their patients instead obtained medical care in another country - presumably most in the U.S. In fact, 5.6% of all Canadians needing radiation therapy for cancer obtained treatment outside of Canada.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 17, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

eldepp:

"... many went way over the line into racism, incitement to riot, armed revolution, hate speech"

I didn't see this at the tea parties here in Nevada, but I have no reason to disbelieve you either. I will say that I totally agree with you that those sentiments are seriously way over the line. That's not what this should be about. Maybe we need more people to stand up with us and push the haters away before they gain too much ground. Just don't reject the whole movement, because it really is about keeping the government the way our forefathers intended. I'd be willing to bet that Jefferson, Paine, Hancock, Henry, Washington, Adams, Franklin, etc all turned over in their respective graves when the government decided who the CEO of a non-governmental entity was going to be...

Posted by: justacitizen | April 16, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I am a "protester" from way back. Peaceful demonstrations are a fundamental form of democratic expression... So said our founders when they included the right to public assembly in our Constitution.. I stand by that right for every one, not just those I agree with.

However, these demonstrations have a tone to them that makes me queazy. ... I found most of the signs embarrassingly ignorant.. As Tucker Carlson said, conservatives need to become "fact based"... But the uneducated have always been among us.. What really bothers me, is many went way over the line into racism, incitement to riot, armed revolution, hate speech.

In the 60's the left had their fringe extremists too, those that advocated violence , but they competed with non-violent protesters that were far more successful. And thankfully, they did not have governors, congressmen, major news channels, and popular talk show hosts cheering the radicals on.

Obviously this astroturf movement has momentum, but I think it is going to come back to bite the Republican Party in the... uh.. hind quarters.. I think the sentiments being expressed will send more moderate Republicans and independent centrists straight into the arms of the Democratic party in 2010 and beyond.

I hope so...


Posted by: eldepp | April 16, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

"Damn those motherchuckers" Gossip Girl

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | April 16, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

newprince:

Taxation without representation means that you get taxed and have no say in either how much you are being taxed or what the taxes will be used for. Given that the majority of Americans did not support the bank bailout, I would say that is at the very least very poor representation, wouldn't you?

I think what really brought this to a lot of Americans attention, including mine, was the firing of GM's CEO and the hiring of the new CEO. The bottom line here was that the government said, no more money for you unless you fire that guy and hire this guy (kinda reminiscent of the soup nazi on Seinfeld). I personally think this stepped WAY over the line of what a government in a capitalist society should be allowed to do. But then again, I thought the bailout of the automakers was rather irresponsible too. Ford was able to make it without bailout money, and quite frankly GM and Chrysler should have been left to reap what they sowed, and not been provided with a government bailout.

As to what it's all about, I can't answer for anyone else, but for me it's about being heard. It's about saying to the government, enough, you need to pay attention to us now. It's about saying I'm done being ignored. We may not be good at it yet, maybe we are still disorganized and not very professional about protesting, yet. Do you really want us to become good at it, to be totally focused and organized? I think not.

Posted by: justacitizen | April 16, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

justacitizen:

So... if it's not about taxes, why call it a Tea Party? Wouldn't that necessarily invoke the Boston Tea Party and the subsequent "no taxation without representation" argument?

And if people feel as if they aren't being represented, I wonder why they feel that now? Hundreds of years after gerrymandering, generations after the civil rights movement and voting acts... why now? I guess I am truly interested, and I'm sure a lot of people want to hear just what the heck it's all about.

Are they just mad about entitlements? Because then I'll know for sure to ignore them.

Posted by: newprince | April 16, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to realize that the tea parties are about AMERICANS standing up for their rights. Not Democrats, not Republicans, not Libertarians, not Independents. ALL AMERICANS

The Republicans have jumped in front of the parade, but they did not start it, they do not own it, and they probably don't even understand it. They just see it as a way to get back in power. That's not what this is about. It's about saying enough is enough, not that we pay too much in taxes, but that our government isn't listening to the people anymore. They didn't listen when Bush was President and they controlled Congress either, but let's face it, we all expected to get screwed by the Republicans. Obama promised change...not happening. That's why we are upset with Obama, not because he's a Democrat, but because he lied to us. I honestly expected better from him.

As for the protest appearing to be disorganized, you're right. They were. Sorry, we'll get better, but we just aren't used to doing this. Maybe with more practice...sure doesn't seem like a lobbyist/Fox News production to me.

The tea parties are about ALL AMERICANS standing up to the government and saying enough is enough. It's not the taxes, it's what they are doing with the taxes. And sooner or later, the bill will come due.

Posted by: justacitizen | April 16, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Any protest, no matter how zany or unfounded, is allowed in this country, unless it poses a direct threat to people or government. The only problem I have with the Tea Parties from an intellectual standpoint is that they appear to be pre-emptive. Given the recent Republican record of doing things pre-emptively, I would think they would take a more, shall we say, conservative tack. In other words, I think this protest would have a lot more impact and sway more of the people in the middle (which should be the point, right? Motivate the people who are on the fence) if it had been done after some no-doubt-about-it tax hikes. They could point to this tax and wave the bloody shirt. Popular support would then actually give the protesters and the GOP some much-needed capital to spend however they like.

As it is, this just seems like too many people jumping the gun on Obama. Trouble is, Obama is unassailable at this point. He's very pragmatic and our deeply divided country can't handle it! Look at what he did to the conservative media regarding the pirate sniping: you had actual dissent in the right-wing world!

Or look at today. Obama actually got Keith Olbermann to so a special comment denouncing his decision not to prosecute CIA operatives who engaged in torture. The madness! This can only be an indication that he's doing a good job, if he's inflaming blowhards and losers from both sides of the spectrum (I like Keith, but we all know he's an echo chamber, albeit usually an agreeable one).


I predicted this a long time ago. One day, we'd have a pragmatic, sensible politician whose intelligent, reasoned policy decisions would be torn apart by partisans from both sides. It's sad that when I try to make an argument for increased government spending in times of lower aggregate consumption a la Keynsian economics I get called a socialist or illogical. Don't we have the right to try to make reasoned responses anymore, instead of invoking "Pelosi and Reid," as if these are substitutes for arguments? Can I just continue calling myself a libertarian so I don't have to feel a part of this nonsense?

Posted by: newprince | April 16, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The second guy in that photo looks like the guy in hellraiser a few years older

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

jrm2: nothing to be afraid of with socialized medicine.

Medicare: 99% of budget goes to patients. Government run, you know, "inefficient."

Private insurance: 75% goes to patients, the other 24% goes to overhead (gotta pay billions to the executives otherwise they're not motivated)

Increased taxes to pay for universal insurance, and higher wages for those who elect government coverage, since their employers no longer have to pay it.

You've no doubt read about the experience of Europeans under their "socialized" system; no waiting for appointments, everything paid for, and so on.

It's overdue here.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Het carrib if you are trying to get sympathy from me for smokers WOW HAVE YOU CHOSEN A FUTILE TASK!!!!

Every smoker in America can keel over right now and nothing could make me happier. Smoking is ELECTIVE, you know!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I pay about $1,000 per month in my family for medical insurance.

I doubt if my taxes would increase 1k per month just because we had socialized medicine.

Anybody else?

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with anybody who disagrees with Obama's policies as long as their opinions are grounded in fact. However, there seems to be an abundance of people who form their opinions based on misinformation, lies and prejudices, these are the people who I cannot tolerate because there is no reasoning with them.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry leapin but if you had kids you couldn't afford to feed thaiat's not my problem, and lowering your taxes again won't close the gap.

If you see taxation as tyranny then you must have slept through civics, or maybe you were drunk, or maybe your brain was oxygen-starved from smoking.

Raising taxes on oil, tobacco, alcohol, is just fine with me, though I would expect those whose livelihood depends on gas to get a break until they can replace ICE trucks with electric. I don't smoke or drink (too smart for that), and I use as little gas as I can. We drive very fuel-efficient cars while you caroom around in your Excretion getting 11 MPG so you can feel like a bigshot towering over other drivers.

I would proudly pay more taxes, even a lot more, to relieve employers of the price of health care (now there's an idea), or to know that losing a job wouldn't destroy an American's life.

Your view of yourself as a rugged individualist is nothing more than a childish conceit. We are a society, we depend on each other, and that means helping each other. If you don't like it, go live in the woods ....

.... or move to Texas and secede.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

"There were plenty of racist signs in the coverage I saw."

Sign = Obama I don't like your policies and vision for the country

Obama skin pigment color = bi-racial

Lib conclusion = racist

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8, how funny! You tout Obama for lowering the middle-class tax to save yourself $17 a month, but you are quite willing for the poorest among us to be taxed at higher rates. How very hard-hearted of you. Take a gander at these numbers:

_$5,999 or less: 30 percent

_$6,000 to $11,999: 34 percent

_$12,000 to $23,999: 30 percent

_$24,000 to $35,999: 26 percent

_$36,000 to $47,999: 22 percent

_$48,000 to $59,000: 21 percent

_$60,000 to $89,999: 16 percent

_$90,000 to $119,000: 13 percent

_$120,000 or more: 13 percent

This is the ratio of smokers to income.

No this did not come from a conservative website but from CBS news.

There also is a direct correlation between poverty and alcohol consumption.
(http://journals.lww.com/familyandcommunityhealth/Abstract/2007/07000/Correlates_of_Alcohol_and_Tobacco_Use_Among.10.aspx)

Are you telling me you don't care that Obama is breaking his promise to the poor as long as you get yours??

You might try using your brains instead sarcasm and nastiness; those characteristics only show you can't handle the big times.

Posted by: carrib | April 16, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"By the way, any of you Obama supporters at all put off by his DHS creating an enemies list that includes veterans? Or are you buying that he didn't know about it?

Posted by: carrib | April 16, 2009 6:40 PM "
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Carrib, thanks for discrediting yourself. First, it's not an "enemies list" as you so put it so you can stop your hysteria.
Second, the report was commissioned by the Bush administration and completed before he left office, sorry for making it public.

and
third, an equal report came out about "left-wing radical" groups and their potential to commit terrorist acts against the United States.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 -

Put your money where your mouth is. If I get a cut I pay it to you, if I get an increase you pay it. This includes all taxes and fees (hidden or not) at all levels of government. By the way my governor has a new tax on oil companies, is removing state caps on property taxes, new taxes on cigs, has increase state spending, and much more.

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Blacks didn't show up at your little bladder-pop parties yesterday because they were not grass-root populist affairs, they were GOP soirees from start to finish, and blacks know better than to vote Republican. It takes a snake-handler like Alan Keyes or a self-hating loser like Clarence Thomas for a black to join the party where racists feel at home.

There were plenty of racist signs in the coverage I saw.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The flat tax is a stupid idea, it's a giveaway to the rich. This particular vial of snake oil is of no interest to anyone but simpleminded GOP types who think simplicity is its own virtue, only because complexity is baffling.

America has functioned best with a steeply progressive income tax. Since that historical fact conflicts with what you believe, don't expect anyone else to ignore history in favor of talk radio revisionism.

The way back to prosperity is to restore the 91% top rate, and raise taxes on business. They'll squeal about it even while the country gets better, and they won't like it, but that's what history tells us.

Eisenhower: 91% top rate, prosperity

Bush the Lesser: 35% top rate, much less for most of the wealthy anyway, and we're headed into a Depression.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

OK Foxn, here's a plan. First of all, stop the spending. The idea that you can spend your way out of debt doesn't even deserve the time it takes to type it. It's time to take a red pen to every line of the budget and get rid of anything that smacks of pork. If it turns out something worthwhile was cut, we can always put it back in later.

Get rid of the IRS and the Fed in one fell swoop by initiating a federal flat tax. That won't cure everything, because the states will still has the power to tax us into oblivion, so once the flat tax is inacted on a national level, we then will have to go to our states and demand they do the same. If the flat federal income tax is capped at 10% and the states are capped at 8% then the most anyone pays is 18%. That is less than even the poorest among us pays when property taxes, taxes on food, cigarettes, alcohol, gas and household items are taken into account. I would like to see the lottery be abolished too since it is nothing more than a voluntary tax on the poorest among us. It is, however, a voluntary tax.

With the flat tax, all deductions, all loop holes, and the scary-unchecked power of the IRS would be eliminated. In fact, the IRS would be deminished by about 99%, because we wouldn't even need a form to fill out any longer, just a receipt. Since all are being taxed equally and all are being taxed less than they are at this point, it would mean a fabulous tax cut for the middle class and the poor. Because the loop holes and deductions and shelters would be done away with, the rich would be paying more. You class-warfare geeks should like that.

This is the only equitable answer to our problem and cannot work without every American getting behind it because the powers that be in Washington DC like having the IRS as their own little gestapo and, as most of them are among the top 1% of income makers, they like paying nearly nothing in taxes (or not paying taxes at all if you are an Obama appointee) after all the loop holes and shelters.

OK, there's a plan. Tear it to pieces because it came from a conservative. Go ahead. But I gave you what you asked for so don't say we have nothing to offer.

Political_junkie1 - AMEN

JohninMpls, and others who have expressed the same sentiment, at our gathering we had Hispanics and Chinese. We did not have any blacks there, but there were no signs that read "BLACKS NOT INVITED" nor were there blocades up that kept them out. If people of color did not attend these rallies in humber, it wasn't because they were excluded, it's because they chose not to participate. How does that diminish the fact the 300,000 citizens of this country asked for their voices to be heard. A face of color in a crowd does not legitimize that crowd.

Posted by: carrib | April 16, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey leapin my taxes are going down, and so are yours. If you're too stupid to read the news before opening your mouth that is not my problem.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 –

You’re either independently wealthy, don’t pay taxes, are dependent on the government, or are disingenuous by embracing taxes and dissing people that just want to survive, feed their kids, and not be taxed to death to the detriment of their families.

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

foxn: "When the Republican Party comes up with a plan that actually describes what they think government should do, how we should pay for it, and is willing to debate its merits without subterfuge, then I'll start to smell a comeback."

I've been a Democrat for most of my adult life, but I am sick of this bunch. I am also not gullible enough to assume that if the Republicans did come up with a plan, the news media would provide us with accurate coverage of its content. I don't even know how you can be sure they have no plan.

Posted by: neelynzus | April 16, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey carrib, what's wrong with any of those taxes?

Cigarettes? Smokers cost the economy billions and billions a year. Raising the price might get some people to quit (it always does), which is a win; or they go on smoking and paying revenue, also a win.

Alcohol? Like anyone cares. Drink yourself to death in protest.

Gas? We need to stop using it anyway, it does too much damage. See paragraph two.

If you don't like taxes you are free to move to another country, there are about 200 others each with its own tax code, some with none. Knock yourself out (don't expect nice roads, fire departments, defense, protection from crime, but hey you'll have "your money").

Poor widdle conservative, gripping a handful of ones and gnashing your dentures.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"First off I'm not sure why "grass roots" gives a protest more street cred than "astro turf". If the people there came because they are genuinely upset enough to go out and protest"

==

It's the "genuinely" that we take issue with, sport.

I think if Rush told you that we liberals despise men who castrate themselves, you guys would be grabbing knives and waving bloody testicles in defiance.

That's barely even a metaphor with you guys .. no clue whatsoever where your interests lie, living only to anger people who are smarter than you, protesting coming tax increases on the same wealthy people who wouldn't lift a finger to spare your very lives.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey leapin if Rush ISN'T the face of the Republican Party, why did Steele, allegedly head of the RNC, grovel to him?

Actions speak louder than words.

Sorry.

And we like Barney Frank just fine. Better get used to being out of power, the tea parties don't look much like you're getting back anytime soon. Better come up with some new ideas.

Hint: anti-tax squealing won't cut it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

All you so-called "fiscal conservatives" kept silent while Bush was spending billions per week in "emergency spending measures" on fights that the US had no dog in, when he was cutting taxes on the wealthy at the same time, and when we had a tax code that encouraged offshoring of jobs.

Fair-weather fiscal responsibility, huh?

Well if you were OK throwing away money on crap you can STFU about spending money to get people working again.

Of course you won't shut up, you'll just keep sticking your feet in your mouths and demanding to see Obama's birth certificate. Which means you guys are about as relevant as free-market fairy dust.

Enjoy being impotent and helpless. Make any trouble and you'll end up in prison.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

First off I'm not sure why "grass roots" gives a protest more street cred than "astro turf". If the people there came because they are genuinely upset enough to go out and protest who really cares who came up with the idea?

The real question is how many of those in attendance are in the 1/3 of the Country that either thinks W was a great president or that he wasn't conservative enough? At least within my own extended family those of us who voted for Obama are still glad we did and those who voted for McCain were all fired up about and attended the tea parties.
To answer your question: "were a sign of the rebirth of the conservative movement or the latest symbol of the lack of true energy and excitement on the right."
Meh, they have all the bluster and credibility of liberals screaming about moving to Canada in 00 an 04. It's really sour grapes. When the Republican Party comes up with a plan that actually describes what they think government should do, how we should pay for it, and is willing to debate its merits without subterfuge, then I'll start to smell a comeback. Right now all I'm hearing is starve the beast at a time when most Americans are hurting and are looking to the government for a hand up.

Posted by: foxn | April 16, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok DrainYou, the tax break you keep touting amounts to about $17 a month more in income for the average American which will decrease with time. This little bit of extra will be eaten up in cigarette taxes, alcohol taxes, gas taxes and who knows what other taxes are on the horizon.

How much brains does it take to realize that Obama and his liberal elite can be absolutely true to their promises and the middle class will still not get richer, we will simply be pulled down to the have-not's level. There absolutely has to be a raise in taxes SOMEWHERE to pay for the trillions of dollars we will be in debt when all the spending is done. If you think you will be bypassed...well, God help you.

Posted by: carrib | April 16, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Hi Babe-

Tea please. It seems to be popular today.

The increase in taxes will come from paying off deficits directly or indirectly thru inflation.

If you think global warming is a sure thing then you believe Egore invented the web and is the model for “Love Story”.

Just because certain people want Rush to be the front of the R party doesn’t make it so. Although Frank is the rear of the D party.

Nothing worse than a lawyer without a degree.

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

As a small government fiscal conservative I have watched in helpless disbelief as I was completely betrayed by the Republicans, who were supposed to be also for small government and fiscal responsibility. The Obama administration and the democrats have taken spending and government expansion to an even more breathtaking level, and are well on the way to completely bankrupting this country.

What I see is people like me, who have had enough and don't have a voice, reaching out to each other and trying to be heard. Yes this has been whipped up by conservative pundits, but it wasn't planned by them. I have been watching this for a while, and the pundits are being opportunistic, not pro-active in their approach to the tea parties.

Posted by: political_junkie1 | April 16, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Lots of the comments here mention that the tea parties are against Obama's "stimlus bills", but they were silent when Bush was doing the same thing. I fail to see an inconsistency here, considering Obama ran on a "Change" platform, and yet he is doing exactly what Bush did. Where's the change I can believe in?

Another point to be made here is that the bank stimulus package was NOT what the American people wanted, and we made ourselves heard on that too. Go back and check out the Post articles on it. Yet we were ignored and the bill was passed and signed into law regardless of what the people wanted.

The tea parties are not about Democrat/Republican/Libertarin/Independent. They are about AMERICANS who are sick of being ignored.

Someone needs to start paying attention, after all, it's "We the people" give you the Government these rights, not the other way around.

Posted by: justacitizen | April 16, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

If the goal of the tea parties was to have a forum for middle-aged white people to gather in relatively small numbers to hold up anti-Obama signage, then yes, it was a success.

Posted by: JohninMpls | April 16, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Typical liberal think. Kataco, Bush was 6 months into his presidency when we were attacked. During the Reagan and during a real ramp up of attacks during the Clinton years, no action of note was taken against the terrorist. We had the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993; the attacks on American installations in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996; the East Africa [embassy] bombings of 1998; the attack on the USS Cole in 2000. All of these went unanswered. As Condolizza stated: "The terrorists were at war with us, but we were not yet at war with them."

The enemy was embrazened and that lies at the feet of both parties. Bush was not to blame for the attack, but he made sure no other attacks took place on our property or at foreign installations for the next 8 years. That is quite an accomplishment, but you people will never give him credit for that.

I became completely disenchanted with Bush by the last two and a half years of his administration. He acted more like a democrat than the democrats and he more than anything, turned republicans from the party, so I'm no Bush supporter, but he kept us safe and I credit him that.

Parkerfl1, 300,000 when most of these activities occurred during work hours is quite an accomplishment. Like I said, this is just the beginning.

By the way, any of you Obama supporters at all put off by his DHS creating an enemies list that includes veterans? Or are you buying that he didn't know about it?

Posted by: carrib | April 16, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Katavo –

I have an original comment. Have you heard the one about tea bagging?

And why is one an enemy for expressing their opinion?

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

HEY CHRIS....
post Patterson's same sex bill or something for tomorrow.

we could have alot of fun with that one....

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

hayden1: "How was your tea bagging partay? (sic.) Were you the tea bagee or the tea bagger?"

O-o-o, hayden1. Do you talk about your poopy too? Is this the new Obot intellectualism: gay frat boy sex and potty talk?

I saw and heard people in Austin of varied political persuasions with a wide array of complaints. My guess is they all have two things in common, they pay taxes and they are inadequately represented.

Posted by: neelynzus | April 16, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse


a test of honor:
shall i serve coffee or tea?

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now leapin- for shame dude
"This is the DP that wants to increase spending of non-existent funds and taxes in a severe recessions"
--those non existent funds became non existent in the second year of Bush's term. We were on "borrowed, crooked money" for the last 6 years. But when you have a Pres Bush standing up there and telling you that "life is normal and the American dream is being accomplished"---one believes, no?
--and the increase in taxes---uh, where?

"wants to continue the failed policies of the previous statists....."
--nope---he (and most of the US) know the prior policies failed and need changing. where ya been leapin?

"wants to embrace appeasement and the reflexive use of farce"
---have you read the laws passed in these 100 days? There is no appeasement. There is "straighten up and fly right".

"embraces global warming"
---leapin, please, you really said that?

"and still believe government and politicians can think"
--i know it was hard when the texan was in office and couldn't pronounce Internet and Azerbajhani.

"The face of the DP isn't a congenial old sex fiend"......
and the face of the GOP, Rush, is a percocette addicted druggie fat freak.

I believe Pelosi and Reid may be lawyers with a degree. Rush has his prescriptions. Obtained illegally no doubt.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

All the titillated teenagers are on here today. Get out of the basemnet, get a job, do your patriotic duty of turning over your income to the government as endorsed by Uncle Joe Biden.

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

leapin don't you ever have anything original to say? Plagiarizing the posts of your enemies and changing a few words in it ... what a wonderful imagination you have.

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyone still loyal to the DP is an extremist, because this is the DP still reading from Sal Alinsky’s playbook in an America no longer receptive to shallow applause-line politics except from the messiah. This is the DP that wants to increase spending of non-existent funds and taxes in a severe recessions, wants to continue the failed policies of the previous statists, wants to embrace appeasement and the reflexive use of farce, embraces global warming, and still believe government and politicians can think.
The face of the DP isn't a congenial old sex fiend, it's Pelosi and Reid, two of the most repellant people in America.

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

katavo-
I was not a sore loser in 2000.
I was a sad loser.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Even if the figure was true you have to realize there were many more sympatizers that had to work to pay for your welfare.

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse
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Or maybe they were too embarrassed to tea bag in public.

Posted by: hayden1 | April 16, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't mind teapin.

Here is the original post :-)

Heehee.

I've have never in my almost 70 years seen such sore losers!

Whether the right realizes it or not the last election represented a seismic shift away from Bush Administration policies - a quiet revolution by tens of millions of voters taking back their government. The rants, rages, foot stomping, talk of seceding and "taking up arms" is symptomatic of a minority party that has lost its way and is out of ideas. The GOP is beginning to sound like the German right in the days of thw Weimar Republic. Too many of the GOP's elected officials, i.e. the Governor of Texas, Michelle Bachmann, sound like crackpots.

Get a grip. You really need to determine what you stand for.....calling the Administration "socialist" is not policy. Nobody is listening except those already in the echo chamber.

The nation needs a viable Republican Party - start here:

1. We will defend the Constituion against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

2. We will be careful stewards of your money.

3. We will not tell you how to live your life.

4. All are welcome in our tent.

Good luck. You will need it to rebuild a majority.

Posted by: toritto | April 16, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The teabaggers, with generous support from the right-wing astroturf machine ("Hi, Fox News!" "Hi, FreedomWorks!"), are using "tea parties" as a catch-all to vent their frustrations. On the surface it's about taxes (even though President Obama has cut taxes on the middle class) and spending (even though government spending is the only thing that will lessen the severity of the recession and prevent it from becoming a depression). But bubbling under the surface is the old social-wedge issue chestnuts, God, Guns and Gays. In other words, the usual boring old nonsense dripping from the mouths and cardboard signs of a severely misinformed Repulican segment of our population, aided by a right-wing media machine that has trained them to tune in every night and suck their nuts. I believe there's a term for that specific act but I'm too pure of thought to know what it is.


It all boils down to this, my friends, as articulated so beautifully by Anti-Christ abettor Jon Stewart: "Republicans, I think you are confusing tyranny with losing."

Posted by: DrainYou | April 16, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

carrib, you are sore losers. The democrats were sore losers in 2000, and you putzes are sore losers today.

Still another loser maneuver from the republicans: the democrats did it too!

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Not all conservatives are extremists, and nobody is saying they are. More paranoia.

But anyone still loyal to the GOP is an extremist, because this is the GOP still reading from Reagan's playbook in an America no longer receptive to shallow applause-line politics. This is the GOP that wants to cut spending and taxes in a severe recessions, wants to continue the failed policies of the previous administration, wants to embrace torture and the reflexive use of force, denies global warming, and still believe money and markets can think.

The face of the GOP isn't a congenial old B-movie actor, it's Limbaugh and Palin, two of the most repellant people in America.

The tea parties put racists and rednecks and people (using the term generously) like the photo above. That's not going to get the GOP back into power.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

armpeg...AGAIN!

How was your tea bagging partay? Were you the tea bagee or the tea bagger?

Posted by: hayden1 | April 16, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"300,000 turned up nationwide when they promised a million in Washington alone.And that's with the Fox News promos and outright support coming 24/7 before these anti-Obama rallies. FAILURE..."

Even if the figure was true you have to realize there were many more sympatizers that had to work to pay for your welfare.

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

You guys crack me up!!! We are sore loosers? OMG! Well it HAS been over 8 years since you guys were crying in your beers so I guess it can be forgiven. You spent 8 years boo-hooing, whining and fidgeting about Bush stealing your election. You never embraced him or gave him a chance and you have the nerve to call us sore loosers?? Half a brain.

As to BabeNemo's questions...they just show you didn't read the bill either. $60,000 to save a field mouse; $1 billion for Amtrak, the federal railroad that hasn't turned a profit in 40 years; $2 billion for child-care subsidies; $50 million for that great engine of job creation, the National Endowment for the Arts; $400 million for global-warming research and another $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects. There's even $650 millionon top of the billions already doled out to pay for digital TV conversion coupons. These are economy builders?

You know as much about the bill as your liberal congressmen did when they signed it...NOTHING!!!

And Hitpoints...every point I made about Obama was salient to the here and now, not 6 months ago...or haven't you been paying attention?

Obama made a it a point in his Inaugural address to say that he would represent all Americans and try to bring this country together. Some assumed that meant he would govern from a moderate position. He has proven those gullible idiots wrong.

Some Obama supporters I spoke with before the election refused to believe me when I told them Obama would make good on every single promise. They thought some of his promises were made just to get elected, that he was pandering to the left, but that he would never really commit himself to that kind of spending. I knew he would because it was clear to me from the beginning that he was a raving left wing wacko.

Posted by: carrib | April 16, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

300,000 turned up nationwide when they promised a million in Washington alone.And that's with the Fox News promos and outright support coming 24/7 before these anti-Obama rallies. FAILURE...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | April 16, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

and BTW firebrand, Bush did not keep us safe for 8 years. 9/11/2001 ... that's after Jan 20, 2001. We were attacked on Bush's watch. If you're going to give him credit for "keeping us safe", be consistent. He must also be given credit for the deaths of 4000 Americans at the world trade center.

Bush and the republicans, claiming to be defenders of liberty, have done more harm to the constitution than any other president and political party in our history.

Are the democrats going to do the same thing? It sure looks like it, I'll agree with you there. Until I hear you and your kind describe in detail why what Bush did was also evil, I won't pay any attention to the frothing coming out of your mouth about this President we have now.

I can make up my own mind about that. Your inattention to these "little problems" you have with Obama when it comes to Bush informs all that you are a republican asslicker, and not worthy of attention.

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Heehee.
I've have never in my almost 70 years seen such sore winners!
Whether the left realizes it or not the last election represented a seismic shift away from constitutional policies - a quiet revolution by tens of millions of voters dependent on their government. The rants, rages, foot stomping, talk of socialism and "taking up statism" is symptomatic of a majority party that has lost its way and is out of ideas. The DP is beginning to sound like the German right in the days of the Weimar Republic. Too many of the DP's elected officials, i.e. the Reeker of the House, Nancy Pelosi , sound like crackpots.
Get a grip. You really need to determine what you stand for.....calling the conservatives "extremists" is not policy. Nobody is listening except those already in the echo chamber.
The nation needs a viable Democratic Party - start here:
1. We will defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
2. We will be careful stewards of your money.
3. We will not tell you how to live your life.
4. All are welcome in our tent.
Good luck. You will need it to maintain a majority.

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Heehee.

If the election were held today the GOP would go down to a greater defeat than is suffered in November.

You ain't making much progress.....just a lot of noise.

:-)

Please go to your room if you're going to have another tantrum.

Posted by: toritto | April 16, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

firebrand, you fricking idiot, I didn't vote for Obama.

You are so blinded by the republican cock stuck so far up your arse that you can't see anybody who disagrees with the republicans as being anybody but another democrat.

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Most of all, I REFUSE to be ashamed of a President who honors his vow to protect the people of this country AND its Constitution.”

Um, there’s that little matter of the government taking over private enterprises.

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

When will the people understand that raising taxes is not an answer. You raise my taxes, I lay you off, end of story. Our tax system has been broken for years and it has to be restructured. Obama can raise the taxes on the rich not only to 39% as proposed, but double it to 78%, and the high power CPA's, who know their way around some 60,000 pages of IRS rules, will find the loop holes, double all eligible write-offs and nothing will ever change. We either need a linear tax system where everybody pays their fixed percentage and no personal deductions are allowed or we need VAT, value added tax. Either one however would require laying off hundreds if not thousands of IRS workers, and we couldn't do that to government employees, could we?

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: danielleismyname | April 16, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe that the tea party protests are being covered fairly. The reporter for CNN was being a very bad journalist. Anyway, i found this video today that shows how different news outlets are reporting the story. it's interesting to see the difference in perspectives:

Posted by: danielleismyname | April 16, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

It figures that the Fix's racist commentor who signs him/herself 'broadwayjoe' would inject his racist rantings to slime conservatives with the KKK and other racist labels, when he/she is the actual racist. Anyone that is a rabit Barack Obama supporter, as broadwayjoe obviously is, is a racist because they are supporting a man who was a 20 year member and supporter of a racist hate-group, Trinity UFC Church, that was teaching and promoting racial hatred against white people. No one becomes a member and supporter of a hate-group like that without agreeing with the message that was being taught, no one!!! I bet if John McCain or Sarah Palin had been members and supporters of a white racist church and had attended their meetings every week for 20 years, listening to a racist anti-BLACK sermon hallejuhaing and high-fiving with other members in agreement with the sermons racist message, broadwayjoe and other like-minded Obama supporters would have crucified them. Broadwayjoe is the real racist on this blog!

Posted by: armpeg | April 16, 2009 1:34 PM
____________
armpit, come on. Reverend Wright. Reverend Wright?

It is a measure of the success of our 44th President that two months or so into his presidency, the worse attack the opposition can come up with is "golden oldie," guilt-by-association slur--Reverend Wright.

No Bill Ayers? No Scarlett Johnason emails? No whitey tape? No references to Michelle's 30 year old term papers? No comments about BHO's middle name? We will not be distracted from the REAL issues this time around. This time it's too important. Let the bigots and lunatics hold their Fox-sponsored "tea parties"; the rest of us will focus on mortgage relief for the middle class, universal health care, and global warming--thank you very much.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 16, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties were successful in rallying and energizing a defeated party base. However the tea parties also finished the redefinition of the republican base that began in the 2008 elections.

The republican base has moved even further to the right whereas the last election shows the country has moved more to the left.

Therefore if you the goal of the tea parties was to energize the base then they were highly successful. However if the goal of the tea parties was to increase the size of the base then they failed miserably.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 16, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

You miss the point katavo,this is not a Democrat complaint or a Republic complaint.
This is a complaint as to the role of smothering,fascist government and if you were not so blind by the idolatry of one man,The Obama,you would see that all massive government seeks total control and inevitability comes into conflict with the Constitution and a free society.
Don't give me some moral equivent argument about Bush and the War with Islamic Fascist and the requirments of national security.But if you must bash Bush to understand that centralized power is the enemy then bash Bush.
Bush is not my savior.
He helped to keep us safe for eight years and gave us two great Supreme Court Justices,but that is all.
Idol worship or hoping for one person to ride in on a white horse to save your posterior is not what a Represenative Republican government is meant to be.
The people,through honest representatives and in accordance with the founding documents rule.
The government is ,we the people and we elect the President to temporarily form the administrative branch of government, be he Bush or Obama, we,the people, allow him to lead.If he violates the Constitution he must be held resposible and if as you suppose that we the people must be silenced then you can not be surprised that we the people shall seek other means of redress.
Do you get all of this? Is this over you head?Are you just ready for the black uniform with silver piping and the deaths head ,scull and bones pin on your lapel?
My fellows actually thought that they could make nice with those nazi scum in the gettos of Poland and we all paid the price.Wake up for Gods sake ,don't behave as an ignoramus.You have eyes,ears and a mind.Read the history of a people who looked to a leader to bring them out of financial difficulty and sold there soul and their liberty for a warm bed and a meal.

Posted by: firebrand | April 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

You of liberal bent seem to think the Tax Tea Parties were put on for your benefit. Just goes to show how egocentric you are. These events were local people getting together about issues they care deeply about so they can network and continue to fight. These are mostly conservatives, who are renowned for being the SILENT majority, but who are scared enough by the first 3 months of this presidents reign to finally get out there and get their voices heard. It matters not to us what you think. This was just the beginning and this movement will grow for the simple fact that this president is dangerous. (nd oh by the way, if he was purple, green, or white instead of black he would still be dangerous.)

And, by the way, I am so sick and tired of hearing how President Obama inherited the biggest mess of any president ever. Seems to me Obama was in office when all this went down. Seems to me Obama took campaign donations from Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac. Seems to me Obama was right there supporting the agressive push to have these low interest loans peddled. Obama may have inherited a large deficit, but he inherited a safe country made so by Bush and he is now putting us all in danger by appearing weak and wussy to our enemies. Those pirates attacked because they wanted to see what this president would do. Thank goodness the military just needs a go ahead (that was lawfully demanded) to do the job it does better than any other military in the world.

As for those of you who keep saying you are willing to pay higher tax rates if it means everyone would be able to get medical care, are you as willing to pledge that same thing for your children and grandchildren? Would you be if you were told it would mean 60, 70 maybe even 80% of their earnings would be forfeited? Are you also willing to give up your freedom and your children's freedom to live your lives as you choose instead of having your diet and excercise chosen by the federal government because that is who is now fully responsible for you health?

If you don't think that will happen you just have to look at what's happening in city's and county's across the state where they are outlawing certain kinds of foods because they may or may not create health risks later in life. How long will it be before this totalitarian government that takes care of you from cradle to grave, demands your total and complete obedience to it's decisions? I'm not soft hearted (or soft headed) enough to give up my individual freedoms to insure that everyone gets the same health care I get, when I worked hard for it and made difficult and painful choices to make sure I have coverage for myself and my family. There are other ways to help those without coverage, national health care is a fiasco!! Take if from one who grew up as a marine corp brat, it ain't all it's cracked up to be!

Posted by: carrib | April 16, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

mcalvinlaw: (((hearty grins)))))
you forgot...
Mission Accomplished....

and never getting Usama bin Ladin and Dr. Zawahiri.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"Well, who would want to elect Barney Frank?"

Voters in the 4th Congressional District of Massachusetts, apparently.

Talk about a display of class and intellect. Can't even come up with a sensible retort that doesn't contradict itself.

Posted by: hitpoints | April 16, 2009 4:29 PM
--------------------------------------------
Are you saying that voters in the 4th Congressional District of Massachusetts
elected Barney to serve as a toilet attendant? I think the voters made an excellent choice. I hear the assistant attendant position is still open...Chris Dodd may want to consider applying.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Dreamweaver wants anyone who isn't a Fascist, fear mongering racist to feel SHAME...dude, we are ashamed. We're ashamed that we let your boy, Bush, usurp the White House, then set about implementing the most Fascist policies since Hitler's Germany. I cannot tell you how ashamed we are that we allowed our government to spy on us in clear violation of the Consitution. We are ashamed we let your boy start a war against a country that has never attacked us, then toss aside the Geneva Conventions. We are ashamed we allowed your boy to singlehandedly destroy our economy based on a smoke and mirrors policy that enriched the already rich while the middle and lower classes lost ground. Your party damn near destroyed this country and for allowing it to happen, we are ASHAMED. However, I refuse to be ashamed of a President that the rest of the civilized world sees as a true beacon of hope and true change. I refuse to be ashamed of a smart President who has surrounded himself with the very brightest minds the country has to offer in an unprecedented effort to revive the hammered economy. I refuse to be ashamed of a President who is thoughtful and worries about the American people, great and small. Most of all, I REFUSE to be ashamed of a President who honors his vow to protect the people of this country AND its Constitution.

Posted by: mcalvinlaw | April 16, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

signed march 19th--
Small Business Act Temporary Extension.

To provide for an additional temporary extension of programs under the Small Business Act and the Small Business Investment Act of 1958, and for other purposes. (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)[H.R.1541.ENR]

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Over in Europe they have poor and middle class people protesting against the wealthy oligarchy that screwed over their economy and put many of them out of work.....meanwhile here in America, we have idiotic poor and middle class Republican - "tea-baggers" - who are protesting against the richest 1-2%, big corporations and big oil getting a small tax increase while they themselves (because of President Obama and the Dems) are receiving the largest tax cut in history for the middle class and the poor.


Thanks to propaganda outlets in America like Fixed News Channel and Mullah Limbaugh etc, we have some of the dumbest fracking people in the world living here and they all reside in the Republican party.

Posted by: DrainYou | April 16, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe the largest failure of these events was in their over-televised poor turn out. It was the realization that even when trying to be new and shocking this group of negative talk right wingers is unable to deviate from business as usual. Did they take to the streets to spread knowledge about tax programs? No. They came out to tell you Barack's middle name... again. They came out to curse and spit about not being a socialist country... again. The media can cover it as a 'grassroots' movement all they want, it's still the same old negative substance-less politics that made it so easy for Obama to get to the White House in the first place.

Posted by: jeremyswenson | April 16, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

As a bystander to the Cincinnait, Ohio "Tea Party", of the seven "Tea People"
that talked to me, two were adult students, two were minors, and the other three confessed to earning under $35,000. None of them paid income tax.

Posted by: eda11

Won't they be affected by new fuel taxes proposed in Ohio?
Won't they be affected by the massive debt incured by the Feds?
Won't they be affected by the inflation generated with these borrowed funds, or the loss of jobs due to the Obama plan to tax and cap and crap small businesses?
I have to admit, Ohio is one of the better states for limiting taxation, but like other states with revenue falling, they are looking around for new sources. Usually these sources, although not income taxes, are the kind of taxes that hit everyone. How about a rise in car registration fees? Higher tuitions for colleges?

Posted by: betsy3

-Say anything else than "these people are ill-informed". Keep reaching for the silver lining in this joke of a protest. haha

Posted by: theobserver4 | April 16, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey firebrand, you need to call your doctor and tell him it's time for you to go back to the hospital for a while.

You're NUTS!!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The true believers still in the GOP are ugly and repellant people, and putting them on camera waving racist signs will only alienate everyone else; the tea parties were a success .. for the Democratic Party, its hold on power firmer than ever.

Who would want to identify with the GOP, the party where racists and yahoos are welcome?

Funniest part of all: they believe that we're actually just like them, awaiting a moment of candor to jettison the PC that binds our tongues and join them in their myriad hates.

As always, they're wrong.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The oddest thing about the tea parties is that there is not, and can never be, any genuine connection with the Boston Tea Party.

Remember the slogan of the 1770's? It was "taxation WITHOUT representation". Note the key word. The GoP ind its supporters may dislike the representation they have, but represented they are. Sorry, whatever taxation now occurs is as a result of a democratically elected President, and is thus legal and moral. Stop wasting good tea.

Posted by: anthonyrimell | April 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse


carrib-----hold the phone
"And yet, within the first month of taking office, this administration had spent $787 billion in a stimulus packet that the majority of Americans did not want --

--let me view those facts about the "majority of americans did not want". where did you find your data? The majority of Americans didn't even READ IT-or understand it.

......"and which did more to add to the growing of government than it did to the growing of our economy".
-----how and where did it add to growing government. AND, is that alleged growing of government really linked to stimulating the economy?

"The stimulus packet is full of liberal pet projects that have been around for some time but which had been curtailed by a balance of power in Washington".
----HR 1 is full of pet projects - ummm,
what are they please?
---around for sometime---NOPE, Bush's Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 made sue that the ones "that were hanging around for sometime"..got their money before he split.
--the only thing curtailed by the balance of power in washington dc are the repulsives that are "mad as *&^%".
and when a republican gets mad "because you are not living YOUR life according to THEIR LIKING" - they condemn.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

carrib claims "This movement sprang from pure frustration" and hints the frustration is over some feeling that we've been betrayed by Obama, that he's gone against what people hoped from him.

And then carrib proceeds to use language indicating he/she is yet another Obama hater who already had their mind made up - hardly someone who feels they didn't get what they were promised.

To wit:

"young, untried, egomaniac"
"viewed by terrorist regimes as a paper lion."
"allowing the likes of Ahmadinejad to set the conditions for holding talks with him."
"said he will take the same path Jimmy Carter took"
"declares to the world that we are not a Christian Nation."

All pre-November conservative rants. Surprised you didn't mention the birth certificate. Oh, and Bush declared Islam is a religion of peace, how'd that stick in your craw?

More...
abortion rants, when no one should be surprised by Obama's actions in regards to reproductive issues since January.

"He also overturned the restrictions on embryonic stem cell research"

Which I believe he had promised he would do.

Basically, Obama is doing what he said he'd do, and conservatives are mad because they're seeing that they really did lose the election, as well as the direction of the country. They don't rule anymore, and they're spitting mad! It has nothing to do with disappointment over Obama somehow going back on his word - all this fuss is anger at Obama having been elected.

"This grassroots swelling is not about one issue." Yes it is, it's about the decline of conservative power and influence.

Posted by: hitpoints | April 16, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"The Tea Parties did not convince the MSM of any thing, the main stream media is portraying the gatherings as orchestrated
by right wingers because that is what the MSM wants people to believe.
The MSM brings it's bias to the reporting."

Is this person a fringe bagger too?

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Heehee.

I've have never in my almost 70 years seen such sore losers!

Whether the right realizes it or not the last election represented a seismic shift away from Bush Administration policies - a quiet revolution by tens of millions of voters taking back their government. The rants, rages, foot stomping, talk of seceding and "taking up arms" is symptomatic of a minority party that has lost its way and is out of ideas. The GOP is beginning to sound like the German right in the days of thw Weimar Republic. Too many of the GOP's elected officials, i.e. the Governor of Texas, Michelle Bachmann, sound like crackpots.

Get a grip. You really need to determine what you stand for.....calling the Administration "socialist" is not policy. Nobody is listening except those already in the echo chamber.

The nation needs a viable Republican Party - start here:

1. We will defend the Constituion against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

2. We will be careful stewards of your money.

3. We will not tell you how to live your life.

4. All are welcome in our tent.

Good luck. You will need it to rebuild a majority.

4/

Posted by: toritto | April 16, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

By the way, it is quite amusing that the people who really benefit from the proposed "solutions", more tax cuts, less regulation, do nothing government, the very rich, could stay home and watch (if they even cared enough to do so) as a small demonstration, in aggregate, was run by people who bought the bridge and drank the tea, but wouldn't benefit in the least were their protest to get what it actually asked for.

There are marketing gurus out there somewhere crunching numbers and preparing presentations for Fox News to use when they decide to raise advertising rates on the very reasonable claim that "Fox Viewers do what Fox asks of them, right down to buying tea bags that they won't EVER use."

Still, lets drop the "Drink the cool aide" metaphor for a more representative "Drink the Tea!" (For those of us that remember the Smothers Brothers Comedy show, Goldie wasn't drinking Earl Grey.)

Posted by: ceflynline | April 16, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

By the way, it is quite amusing that the people who really benefit from the proposed "solutions", more tax cuts, less regulation, do nothing government, the very rich, could stay home and watch (if they even cared enough to do so) as a small demonstration, in aggregate, was run by people who bought the bridge and drank the tea, but wouldn't benefit in the least were their protest to get what it actually asked for.

There are marketing gurus out there somewhere crunching numbers and preparing presentations for Fox News to use when they decide to raise advertising rates on the very reasonable claim that "Fox Viewers do what Fox asks of them, right down to buying tea bags that they won't EVER use."

Still, lets drop the "Drink the cool aide" metaphor for a more representative "Drink the Tea!" (For those of us that remember the Smothers Brothers Comedy show, Goldie wasn't drinking Earl Grey.)

Posted by: ceflynline | April 16, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Teabaggers should rip up their social security cards,medicare/medicaid cards,not pay the military, hell close down the VA altogether. Go back to praying for cures of illness. Use a bartering system for commerce, Not use the internet, or use any public highway or road. Bury their garbage in the backyard. Do not use the services of 911. Not watch tv. Never send anything by mail, etc.

"Taxes are the price we pay for civilization."

Here in lies the irony of the tea parties. Without those taxes they would not have been able to conduct the protest.

What is most enigmatic is how those who have not gained that much if anything, from the current system are out defending and supporting the cause of those who have gained the most from the system. They are spurred on by people who lie to them everyday at hours on end and make their livelihood off their unhappiness.
Is it any wonder the 3 main headliners at thier events where people who have radio shows as well; Hannity, Beck, Cavuto. Yet none of these three truly live the lives of the protesters.

The other twisted aspect of all this is that Fox News open support for these events goes against their ubiquitos slogan. They even use the lexicon of the ultra conservative. Thier reason for the extensive coverage was because the "main stream media" is not willing to do so. As if Fox News is not part of the mainstream media.

This brings up the final point. Hardcore conservatives do exactly the same thing they hate the most in other people. They operate under the mentality of victimhood and always besieged on all sides. Again is there any wonder why the rally at the Alamo was one of the larger ones? They think of America in the terms of some idyllic past that they must now restore or try to maintain. Thus I think the fondness for country music that resonates those kind of ideas. Conservative literally means reluctant to change and this why it is difficult for conservatives to come up with any new ideas.

Posted by: Ironcomments | April 16, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

By the way, it is quite amusing that the people who really benefit from the proposed "solutions", more tax cuts, less regulation, do nothing government, the very rich, could stay home and watch (if they even cared enough to do so) as a small demonstration, in aggregate, was run by people who bought the bridge and drank the tea, but wouldn't benefit in the least were their protest to get what it actually asked for.

There are marketing gurus out there somewhere crunching numbers and preparing presentations for Fox News to use when they decide to raise advertising rates on the very reasonable claim that "Fox Viewers do what Fox asks of them, right down to buying tea bags that they won't EVER use."

Still, lets drop the "Drink the cool aide" metaphor for a more representative "Drink the Tea!" (For those of us that remember the Smothers Brothers Comedy show, Goldie wasn't drinking Earl Grey.)

Posted by: ceflynline | April 16, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Soon your children will be made to wear green shirts and arm bands and they will report your sins against the green agenda and the State.
When you are old or ill or a member of a unconventional life style and become too great a burden for the state to continue your financial support and your right to life you will be ask to forfeit your existence.You will not be given an opportunity to succeed or fail."

Is this person a fringe bagger as well?

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

As a bystander to the Cincinnait, Ohio "Tea Party", of the seven "Tea People"
that talked to me, two were adult students, two were minors, and the other three confessed to earning under $35,000. None of them paid income tax.

Posted by: eda11

Won't they be affected by new fuel taxes proposed in Ohio?
Won't they be affected by the massive debt incured by the Feds?
Won't they be affected by the inflation generated with these borrowed funds, or the loss of jobs due to the Obama plan to tax and cap and crap small businesses?
I have to admit, Ohio is one of the better states for limiting taxation, but like other states with revenue falling, they are looking around for new sources. Usually these sources, although not income taxes, are the kind of taxes that hit everyone. How about a rise in car registration fees? Higher tuitions for colleges?

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Firebrand:
Your post epitomizes the poverty of ideas of the right wing today. All you can do is come up with a fearmongering charicature of the Obama policies that is so ludicrous that I laughed out loud. But thank you; if your opponents have to be as scary as you make them out to be in order to be scarier than Republicans, then Democrats have little to fear.

Posted by: archaeoman | April 16, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Perry, who requested FEMA help, who requested military for the borders...complaining about government intervention?

Cecede. Give us back the check for 17 billion first.

Then we can build a border fence along Oklahoma and keep out those illegal Texans

Posted by: jfern03 | April 16, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Well, who would want to elect Barney Frank?"

Voters in the 4th Congressional District of Massachusetts, apparently.

Talk about a display of class and intellect. Can't even come up with a sensible retort that doesn't contradict itself.

Posted by: hitpoints | April 16, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Upon looking at videos and shots of the "tea parties" around the country, I was struck by the fact that the majority of people in the crowds were white. This, once again, demonstrates the problem for the Republican Party.....the conservative, right-wing views it holds appeals,for the most part, to a small slice of the electorate. And if you beleive the Governor of Texas ("If you're a right wing extremist, we're with you"), instead of trying to be more inclusive, the party is running as fast as it can in the other direction.

If Texas suceeds from the union (which is what the Govenor has hinted at), that means no federal income tax and no social security tax....sounds great, I'll move there. But wait. Sucession also means no social security check when I am 62, and instead of paying about $400 a month for Medicare, I will have to find private insurance at about $1000 a month! And what if a hurricane hits Houston? The good residents of Texas will have to foot the bill for the cleanup themselves, instead of the cost shared by taxpayers of all states, as it is now. All of a sudden this sucession business doesn't sound so good.

My point is that what sounds reasonable based on emotion may not be such a good idea if thought through. I'm afraid this country has too many diciples of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and not enough people looking at facts and data and seeking the real truth. The "tea parties" were based primarily on emotion and fear (sound like a familiar tactic of the Republican Party????), not on reason.

Posted by: hitek1 | April 16, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Having been a part of the Tea Party effort for the last four months, before Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity began to promote it, I can tell you from first-hand experience that this movement has nothing to do with radio show personalities or politicos such as Newt Gingrich.

This movement sprang from pure frustration.

Obama promised to govern for all Americans, no matter on which side of isle we fell. And yet, within the first month of taking office, this administration had spent $787 billion in a stimulus packet that the majority of Americans did not want and which did more to add to the growing of government than it did to the growing of our economy. The stimulus packet is full of liberal pet projects that have been around for some time but which had been curtailed by a balance of power in Washington. Now that the liberals own Washington, Obama and his cronies, with complete abandon and no sense of responsibility to the citizenry which gave it a low approval rating, put together a “stimulus” package that would, over the next 10 years, end up costing my children and grandchildren 7 – 9 trillion dollars; all of this in the name of “fixing” America.

Those of us outraged by this, and many other purely partisan decisions this administration has made, have found an avenue to voice our displeasure through the Tax Tea Party Movement. That doesn’t mean it will always be so.

This grassroots swelling is not about one issue. It’s about 90 days of arrogance from a young, untried, egomaniac who is being viewed by terrorist regimes as a paper lion. This president is allowing the likes of Ahmadinejad to set the conditions for holding talks with him. This president has said he will take the same path Jimmy Carter took with nuclear disarmament that proved disastrous to our ability to keep terrorists at bay during the 70’s.

This president declares to the world that we are not a Christian Nation. This president decides to “in your face” the conservative portion of this nation by promising this nations money to support international abortion, and has made it clear he wants to force all medical personnel to participate in abortion on demand with no access to a conscious clause. He also overturned the restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which was totally unnecessary in light of the amazing success that has been garnered with adult stem cell research.

All these issues and more is what make up the movement that is now afloat. It is not surprising at all that this administrations’ LAP DOG press would undermine and diminish the importance of this nationwide movement claiming it to be a flash in the pan. We will prove them wrong come November 2010 when we remove all the incumbents and put declared conservatives in to represent us.

If this makes us right wing extremist and gets us put on this presidents enemy list, then so be it. LET IT BEGIN!!!!

Posted by: carrib | April 16, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Question: Why do so many posters imply that people in the lower income brackets don't pay taxes?

I made $18,000 my first year out of college, and it was taxed. I honestly don't even know my tax rate, but it consistently seems to be in the 25-30% range.

I'm okay with that. I would happily go up to 40% or 50% if it meant anyone could walk into a hospital or doctor's office anytime they needed.

Posted by: KobayashiMaru | April 16, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

If someone wants to protest bailouts, the stimulus and bonuses, fine.

To say it's a tax thing, after Obama signed the biggest middle tax cut/credit in american history, yes, history - and wants to raise taxes on the rich so they are still below where the beloved Reagan had them - then it's a joke and a farce, because then they are protesting for the very people and programs that got us where we are today.

I happen to be a democrat, and I hate bailouts and the stimulus, and I believe Obama too hates them, but believe Obama is charting his course based on hearing a broad range of views, unlike the decider.

I am entirely more comfortable, and polls will back me on this, that the democrats will do a better job with the economy, rather than the GOP, who in my humble opinion, think that you can fix potholes with tax breaks.

I would have more respect for these protests and protesters if one actually approached a Fox anchor or GOP politician and pointed out that they do not like being used - to further promote the deep and open hate, not dislike or dispproval... but open, hostile, beligerent hatred, of a man who inherited the biggest mess ever handed off by one president to another, a man who has just barely started his presidency - by a bunch of sore losers protecting the old guard, the very system and people... that drove the country into the ground.

Posted by: jfern03 | April 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Of all the America-hating tea-baggers that parked their Hummers and spewed their venom,

not was better than Rick Perry, TX Governor, who said he thinks TX should secede if Washington continues to give it my tax dollars.

Secede, you red necked racist homophobic fundamentalist pigs!

You can go back to being a Mexican territory--or die trying to be part of the Union again.

Posted by: lichtme
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As usual when some someone dose'nt have the intellectual hardware to mount a reasonable arguement they start calling names. It's really pretty pathetic

Posted by: saw1 | April 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

In 1980 Ronald Reagan said we needed to cut taxes, go into debt, and get government off the backs of business, beginning a generation of a GOP love affair with tax cuts and aligning themselves with Conservatives... the national debt skyrocketed, and budget deficits took off. 12 years later his former VP, George HW Bush, vowed "No new taxes" then raised taxes. In 2000, George W Bush cut taxes disproportionately benefiting top earners, and presented his annual budget to a friendly GOP Congress with little spending cuts, while keeping the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan off budget... the national debt exponentially continued to skyrocket, and deficit spending ran rampant year after year. Until the the current Democratic Administration came into power, or at least was elected into power, Conservatives supported the last 8 years of spending, and embraced the Reagan philosophy of an unfettered free market with little attention given to federal overspending. We now find ourselves in a prolonged recession, millions have lost their jobs and homes, fortunes and retirement funds have been devastated, and private industry, the bulwark of Conservative faith in unfettered capitalism, has asked for unprecedented government assistance to help bail them out. NOW, Conservatives hold tea parties saying we're being overtaxed and say government is spending too much? You ask, "Is this a rebirth of the conservative movement?" Let me ask you this... are you kidding?

Posted by: adirondacker1 | April 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, puh-lease. The Republicans stood by for 8 years while people lost their homes because of predatory lending, lost their jobs, their earning power, or if they kept their jobs, they were forced to become part timers, contract workers or temps, were charged usurious rates on their credit cards. They did nothing as health care costs spiraled so out of control that people were forced to declare bankruptcy. And now they are pretending they give a crap about people?
Their demonstrations are false. Their hearts are still cold, mean-spirited and retrogressive.
Here President Obama is trying to clean up the considerable mess they made and all they are trying to do is sabotage his efforts because it's obvious: They want the hog-trough back.
They are so Reaganesque. "I got mine, I don't care how you get yours."
Putting Obamas' name in a hammer and sickle is beyond insulting.
The days of cold-war Red baiting are done. Free market capitalism is a dismal failure. It creates oligarchies that choke off competition and fair play.
We need socialism. We need the safety nets.
It's time for the Republican party to grow the f*** up.

Posted by: astorg | April 16, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The "bought and paid for" tea bag parties just demonstrated how ignorant a small group of hard core right wing conservatives are. Those with the gold made the rules and these dupes followed. Their arguments and signs made no sense. They don't know history; they don't understand even recent events. It is pathetic and makes me hope that people in other countries don’t see this as another reason to dislike Americans. Our founding fathers would be spinning in their graves.

Posted by: saami | April 16, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

As a bystander to the Cincinnait, Ohio "Tea Party", of the seven "Tea People"
that talked to me, two were adult students, two were minors, and the other three confessed to earning under $35,000. None of them paid income tax.

Posted by: eda11 | April 16, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Parties probably had exactly the opposite effect than Newt's "energized base". What I saw on the news here in Dayton was a discordant rerun of favorite Republican mottoes from the last quarter century, most of them obviously at odds with the real beliefs of the sign bearers. (One Obvious republican had a sign for Term Limits, which carried to its proper republican conclusion would mean John Boehner, Mike Turner, and all but a handful of Ohio Reps (R) would be gone after this Congress).

There was nothing new, nothing interesting, and all of the energy of a republican crowd meeting DC or GB when they were still in office. Since the news crews went to the gatherings, and had to find footage to sow for it, and since these were scripted, recruited crowds, there were obviously lots of enthusiastic faces to claim "groundswell" and "momentum", but it was well rehearsed commercial footage.

Meanwhile, the real message that can be pulled out of yesterday, especially since apparently the DC mob intended to trash Lafayette Park with tea bags, was that the republicans are now saying, "Don't you dare expect me to help clean up the mess, or to help pay for it, and don't you dare clean up the mess your selves" The Dems can use the pictyures of irate republicans to wedge independents away from even moderate republicans by reminding people that theRepublicans are going out in force demanding that we actually keep doing nothing, and not paying the bills from the GWB administration.

The massive regurgitation of old Republican campaign Pabulum gives Democrats with a creative bent and access to photo shop and other image manipulation software immense amounts of effective anti Republican propaganda, more than enough of which will come back in a year to haunt them.

All this in an attempt to energize "the base", which is more than energized enough for it being more than a year till campaign season arrives again. It was a practice tantrum thrown by a spoiled brat, and it will simply cause the adults in the region to turn off and tune out whatever it is that the Republicans have to say from here on out.

The calculation is easy: 70% X 33% = 24.1%. To keep the votes of a quarter of the voting electorate that they had already, the Republicans tried hard to turn off the 50% of the electorate in the center that can always elect a candidate, provided they can find a centrist, moderate, or progressive to vote for.

The Republican Party needs to find a new set of tacticians.

Posted by: ceflynline | April 16, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"It was not a purely white crowd as some of you suggest and many of these people probably voted for CHANGE but are surprised by what that has turned out to be. They, by and large, were much more representative of what I have always perceived as the true American psyche - independent, unfettered, realistic and creative. The people seemed highly representative of the ordinary man and woman who work for a living at fairly mundane jobs, and like their country more or less as it is!"
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The poster claims to be Canadian. I'll take him at his word. If so, this is sad: he really believes those Yahoos ranting against the President and our government yesterday were "representative of the ordinary man." Sad.

Again the tea baggers are the same faces of intolerance we saw at the Phalin hate rallies. The only difference is, at the Phalin hate rallies, the black guy who set up the stage sometimes, no, usually, no practically always (allegedly) got the snot beaten out of him at the rally's end.

Hey, Canada guy, if you want to see "real Americans" go to a movie or a mall or a Home Depot. Do NOT go to a Fox-sponsored Tea Bagging or for that matter a Phalin rally.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 16, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties didn't make a coherent point. They were on tax day and they use imagery of the Boston Tea Party, yet they say taxes aren't the main point (which is logical since most people will pay LESS tax under the Recovery Act.)

They were a success in the sense that they solidified the far right alliance against Obama and congress, and for right wing media's Nielsen/Arbitron ratings.

They were a failure in the sense that they convinced the mainstream that this "movement" is just a farcical construction of right wing demagoguery.
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The Tea Parties did not convince the MSM of any thing, the main stream media is portraying the gatherings as orchestrated
by right wingers because that is what the MSM wants people to believe.
The MSM brings it's bias to the reporting.

If this were a interest group from the liberal side with the turn out these parties had you certainly wouldn't see the media portraying them as organized by Nancy or Harry.

The press has lost it's credibility the journalists are gone replaced by pathetic hack's.

Posted by: saw1 | April 16, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"The American public is getting fed up and if they continue to be ignored, they will raise up and make their government officials wish they had been listened to."

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Speak for yourself, loser. That wasn't the American public at those things and the crowd didn't cut across ideological lines. These were GOP sore losers venting their rage at being out of power and unable to accept that their side lost.

Te entire remaining Republican base hasn't enough power to elect a toilet attendant, and the ugliness we all saw at those rallies served only to repel even more people, without whom the GOP will continue to sink into irrelevance.

The one thing missing from the parties, and from GOP rhetoric, is a constructive suggestion.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 4:07 PM
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Ayayay! Not enough power to elect a toilet attendant? Well, who would want to elect Barney Frank? And the name calling? Just a display of class and intellect of the brainwashed liberals hoping for a free ride.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

firebrand how is it you can so easily see the evil being done by the democrats and never see the evil done by the republicans?

You mark yourself a partisan hack, so any valid complaints you make against the democrats are easily dismissed as the rantings of a republican sore loser.

Tell us about the evil things Bush did to the constitution. Tell us why the Patriot act was wrong. Tell us why letting the government mine our emails and listen in on our phone calls was wrong.

Tell us about how both of these ideologically-driven political parties are evil, not just the one you love to hate.

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

One last word. The most generous estimates I saw for nationwide attendance was 250,000. Not quite a movement yet. And when I asked my very conservative, working class Dad if he was watching the coverage, he laughed and said, "I clicked over to Boomerang. Tom and Jerry make more sense."

Posted by: LibbySpencer | April 16, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"Typical, you think it was democrats that started the civil rights movement.
It was people like Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and the rioters in Watts."
betsy123
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Yes and we all know what big Republicans Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King and especially the rioters in Watts were.

Sorry betsy but you are losing this one big time.

Oh, and did you see any Blacks, Hispanics or Asians at any of these Teabag parties?, I didn't.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"And the fact that Obama said he was unaware of them made an even bigger statement. Obama and his minions are critically aware of this brewing revolt that may well derail his plans to socialize this country. That is precisely why the MSM has ignored the events. The MSM are so invested in Obama's socialization of America that if something happens to stop it, they will look like fools.

The next Tea Party day, look for paid goons from ACORN to try to break them up and make it look like they are violent events. ACORN has already done "dirty work" for both the Obama Campaign, and during Obama's Presidency, and they are ready and willing to do more. "

So is this guy representative of a typical teabagger or is he a fringe guy?

(and I only use teabagger as a shorthand for tea party attendee. Nothing else)

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Clearly,many of your readers are confused.
This is not a Republican thing or a Democrat thing,this is about reading and understanding the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Yes, you will find members of both parties that have attempted to subvert the founding documents,including Lincoln,Carter,Clinton,FDR,TR and Wilson.
I thank: ebase22 :for the explanation of Totalitarian Fascism.
You will see that Progressives have been in the lead as to promoting the combination of Corporate business interest and Corporate government.By reorganizing every facet of our lives into federal government partnerships they seek to control the outcome to produce an orderly society without individual rights or responsibilities.That is why the Fascist Left always deals with the alleged wrongs to groups.
Fascism will not tolerate individual rights or freedom or liberty or decent or thinking or loving.
Soon you will hear of disarming all Americans for the public good of all citizens so as to make it easy to herd us in the way of Obama.
Soon they[the fascist left] will plan,for your good, what health care you should receive.
Soon your children will be made to wear green shirts and arm bands and they will report your sins against the green agenda and the State.
When you are old or ill or a member of a unconventional life style and become too great a burden for the state to continue your financial support and your right to life you will be ask to forfeit your existence.You will not be given an opportunity to succeed or fail.
Property will be held for you and the collective good by the state.You really only need as much wealth as the state decrees.You will all be as warm and comfortable as the STATE thinks you need to be.The state will set your thermostat,select to color of your car,provide your housing and remove the excess housing that is unfair to others.Soon your children will be compelled to serve.Soon all books will be destroyed because they have been printed with leaded ink and replaced by books made clean of tainted words and thought.
Too those who are stupid,you can read about the "Brave New World" or "1984" or "Animal Farm" or "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" if you hurry before the great book burning.
The elites,the intelligentsia,from the best schools will live as befits their station as those with the resposibilities of leadership should as"Some Pigs Is More Equal Than Others".
Heil Obama!One Nation,One People,One leader!Heil Obama!

Posted by: firebrand | April 16, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Judging by the looks of the crowd, I'd say we have about 20 years before the all the Rightwingers and Teabaggers die of natural causes.

Posted by: amcruz2001 | April 16, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Fox News.

Thank you Republicans.

Thank you Tea Taxers for demonstrating.

You have shown America what is truly important in your moral spectrum:
*Democrats protest against unprovoked invasions of foreign countries and the resulting loss of life;
*Republicans protest against the collective financial obligations that make American freedom possible and the resulting loss of money.

Thank you for making your priorities so obvious.

Thanks also for reminding us of your favorite anti-war pinata, Cindy Sheehan, the mother who lost her son to Bush's war in Iraq. The woman who led protests against the casualties of war was mocked when she wanted her voice heard, and now you're surprised that you're being called extremist wingnuts when you want your voice heard? Interesting.

It was nice to see you do the same thing to the Wives of 9/11 Victims.

Advice to Republican Recruiters: The way to increase Republican turnout is not to ignore inconvenient imagery and information related to America's wars, but to include that imagery in such a way that shows both empathy and determination.

Picking and choosing your images or your heroes shows a fundamental inability to consider all aspects of the bigger picture; moreover, it has consistently proven to be completely disingenuous.

Remember the toppling of Saddam's statue? "Mission Accomplished?" Pat Tillman? Jessica Lynch? Any of this bogus propaganda ring a bell?

But when real people speak up about real, war-related issues that are deeply important to them, the right-wing vilifies them and labels them as wingnuts.

Most ironically, the real people on the right-wing are protesting taxes while simultaneously arguing that American money is now the same as Monopoly money. Thus, they are protesting the loss of something that has no value. Except it's money, so the right-wing reflexively felt threatened.

One final thank you to the right-wing extremists for the abortion clinic bombings in the 1990's. It's good to know in advance that you are not engaging in an intellectual exercise, but are actually willing and capable of committing terrorist acts in the US.

We peaceful, anti-war types appreciate the heads-up.

Posted by: KobayashiMaru | April 16, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Just look at those people in that photo and ask yourself if you'd like to share a table with them in a crowded restaurant.

I'd rather starve.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

You guy do know that Obama still has 60 percent of the American People bihind him right? Even more than the people who voted for him. I'd say what Obama is doing sounds more like Democracy, not Tyrany. Tyrany is what happened during the last eight years, but I guess teabaggers don't realize the coutry is much bigger than just Texas.

Posted by: amcruz2001 | April 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Fox News got .0001 of the 32% who still thought that Bushie did a splendid job to come out with some tea bags and mostly offensive signs! Probably if you add attendance at those "teabaging" (sorry I have to giggle now) events you still will be short of a mid size Obama rally.

Posted by: ualec1 | April 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"The American public is getting fed up and if they continue to be ignored, they will raise up and make their government officials wish they had been listened to."

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Speak for yourself, loser. That wasn't the American public at those things and the crowd didn't cut across ideological lines. These were GOP sore losers venting their rage at being out of power and unable to accept that their side lost.

Te entire remaining Republican base hasn't enough power to elect a toilet attendant, and the ugliness we all saw at those rallies served only to repel even more people, without whom the GOP will continue to sink into irrelevance.

The one thing missing from the parties, and from GOP rhetoric, is a constructive suggestion.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The only people I know who were remotely interested in the tea parties were some insurance adjusters in the office next door. But given the president's poll numbers, the teabaggers' proclamation that "America is fed up. . . etc., etc., is just another lie. America seems willing to given Obama a chance to resolve the financial mess created under GOP domination. The teabaggers are an insignificant minority and far outside the mainstream.

Posted by: wmorgan3 | April 16, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the tea bagging failed. That's a wet and soggy fact.

Only a few thousand showed up nationwide (at one event, Fox's Cavuto tried to inflate the real attendance three-fold but got caught at it), and the attendees had no coherent message (nary a word from them about "taxes"--which BHO actually cut for them).

What we heard were bigoted rants and personal attacks against our President and angry separatist rhetoric against our elected government. And this failure occurred despite the fact these "grassroots" events were sponsored, organized, and endlessly promoted by Fox News.

The tea bagging was a success in this narrow sense: the tea bagging finally brought "the Base" into the light of day. Now we could see them for what they are: angry, mean-spirited rubes conned by extremist corporate giants into voting against their economic interests and into hating those, including BHO, who have done them no harm and simply want to put the country back on track.

The teabagger day also (gratefully) exposed Fox News as an important organ in the shadowy dangerous world of organized hate.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 16, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

lichtm---
(falling off chair laughing)))

yeppers....
the "wait, I have to wear my mink, drive my Hummer, bring my caviar for lunch, wear all my diamonds, blanik shoes, and have my prada purse"
..... so I can go to a protest.

darn - ain't it fun to protest!!!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"The Tea parties had NOTHING to do with the Republican party. They had everything to with Americans: Independents, Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, and Conservatives, who are mad as hell about what their government is doing to them, their country, and their money."

Then why weren't there any Independents, Democrats, and Liberals at these rallies?

I would have Loved to see that, I would have gone myself if I thought this was anything but a republican event.

I hope we do see such events in the future where the rest of the Americans feel the same outrage about the government that you feel about the democrats. Until that time though, this was pissing in the wind.

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What happened yesterday?
Well now we know who watches Fox.

I feel sorry for them.

They can not understand how fortunate they are to live in a country capable of electing and supporting Barak Obama.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

As an outside observer (Canadian) I found this exercise most interesting. I have read most but not all the comments before mine and find them disturbing.

It appears that America is becoming distressingly polarized and the polarities are increasingly intolerant of opposing views. Your media is equally polarized in support of opposing political philosophies.
The fact that all media, other than FOX, snubbed the events speaks volumes.

I had the day free and was able to view much of the tea party coverage. It did not seem to me that the people in attendance were in any way pressured to be there or that they were doing more than voicing their distress at what is clearly a move by government in a direction with which they are not comfortable.

It was not a purely white crowd as some of you suggest and many of these people probably voted for CHANGE but are surprised by what that has turned out to be. They, by and large, were much more representative of what I have always perceived as the true American psyche - independent, unfettered, realistic and creative. The people seemed highly representative of the ordinary man and woman who work for a living at fairly mundane jobs, and like their country more or less as it is!

These rallies were BIG and the intellectual snobs in the media and Washington ignore them at their peril. CNN, Pelosi, Colbert and Daily denouncing the people who attended as ignorant or of no consequence merely add fuel to the fire of anger and resentment and help swell the ranks of the offended - that is how revolutions are born - so stop it!

The United States is a Democratic Republic - a union of willing States that can easily fall apart if there is no mutual respect. It should be remembered by all Americans that while the current administration has a mandate at all levels of government at this time - it did not gain the White House with an overwhelming popular vote - not nearly enough to have won the hearts and minds of the overwhelming majority - not nearly enough to overthrow the way of life preferred by nearly half your population.

Posted by: GreenPheonix | April 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

remembering O H I O

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

And what was the point exactly? Deficits are too high so we should reduce taxes. Or is it non-taxation without representation, because conservatives can no longer get elected?

Posted by: collacch | April 16, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Of all the America-hating tea-baggers that parked their Hummers and spewed their venom,

not was better than Rick Perry, TX Governor, who said he thinks TX should secede if Washington continues to give it my tax dollars.

Secede, you red necked racist homophobic fundamentalist pigs!

You can go back to being a Mexican territory--or die trying to be part of the Union again.

Posted by: lichtme | April 16, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Riling up to base is all well and good. But this kind of PR makes it harder, not easier for the GOP to win the next elections. They are scaring the left wing base as much as their own and associating their party with a bunch of clowns in the eyes of the moderates. Looks like the GOP is trying to establish a permenant liberal shift in american politics.

Posted by: theamazingjex | April 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse
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The Tea parties had NOTHING to do with the Republican party. They had everything to with Americans: Independents, Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, and Conservatives, who are mad as hell about what their government is doing to them, their country, and their money. The MSM, and the Obama administration, have tried to characterize the Tea Parties as Republican inspired events, because they can not afford to acknowledge that a large number of the Democratic faithful are opposed to what their government is trying to do.

America's elected leaders appear to be bent on taxing the country into oblivion, and are ignoring the people's wishes. The phone calls, emails, and letters that the Congress and the Senate received regarding the bailouts, and the "stimulus package" were 10 to 1 in opposition, yet they were approved. Why? The American public is getting fed up and if they continue to be ignored, they will raise up and make their government officials wish they had been listened to.

Posted by: mike85 | April 16, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Since there was never a well-defined goal to these parties except to express some sort of amorphous, ill-informed outrage, it's difficult to define success. Fox succeeded in exposing itself as the official mouthpiece for the Republicans. And they succeeded in further exposing the GOP base as dangerously angry racists, but we already knew that. It didn't look much different than a Sarah Palin rally to me. I don't see how the GOP will bring any newcomers into the party with this bait. All they did was solidify their position as the voice of a rapidly shrinking demographic.

Posted by: LibbySpencer | April 16, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

All that talk from Fox about God and country as an excuse for whipping up an entirely fake "phenomenon", only to be completely overshadowed by a single, honest human being with the voice of an angel.

If that's not divine intervention, I don't know what is.

Posted by: lrjonte | April 16, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties were a huge success, if only because they forced the plastic left to churn up so many imaginary conspiracies about who was behind them and how evil the participants were. I especially liked the comments of Congresswoman Schakowsky (Democrat Windbag - Illinois), who said the tea parties were "despicable". This was a hoot, since Schakowsky's husband has been tried and convicted for major tax fraud! How much fun these Dems and their dim views are!

Posted by: ThisIsReality | April 16, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The biggest question remains what do the tea baggers have as an answer please.

For years the GOP touted lower taxes and smaller government. This would lead to more jobs being created and businesses would take care of the rest. The last part sounds a lot like facism to me but that is of no concern here.

The problem with that is that they keep saying it but do the opposite they reduce income tax but increase other taxes and fees the ones that hurt the most to the average person. Look at your 2000 phone bill then look at your 2006 phone bill and look at the universal tax also the other taxes that were raised. Enough of that.

Then they say smaller government yet as soon as they get into power what do they do try to pass laws that restrict who you can sleep with or what a woman can do.

I am sorry but the same answer is what are they offerening other than what they have and what is the results.

Once they fix the problems in their party maybe this swing voter will go back to looking at both parties but right now I feel like my parents did after McCarthy era. They stopped voting for Republcians in congress and never went back while they did vote for them as President and Governors never agin did they give them the power of the house.

After the 1,000 supeanos issued on the Clintons for 6 years I understand why.

So I once again ask the question what are the tea baggers offering that is different and how do they intend to carry it out.

Posted by: antonio3 | April 16, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties are much ado about nothing, inasmuch as the die is already cast regarding future spending. This is a conservative ploy by the woefully weak Republican leaders to reactivate the base of their party. They already have the base; what they don't seem to understand is that it's the independants out there who they need to come back strong. Win, lose or draw, Obama is betting his presidency on a successful outcome and only time will tell. All the tea parties, while they provide the means to vent frustrations, will not change the direction of Obama's Administration.

Posted by: Diogenes | April 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I'll be nice and say it was not a success. How could it be? It was unfocused, disorganized, and promoted by right wing foundations and Fox News. To continue being nice I'll not further comment on the lunatic anti-govt and unsavory racist demographic that permeated the events.

I'm not a fan of big government either, but come on this was a sham from the moment Murdoch decided to co-op it and make it his own.

Millions of citizens would likely get behind revamping the tax code, closing loopholes, and making the IRS less about 40 page forms and more about perp walking tax cheats.

I guarantee you that a TEA party with that objective wouldn't be so heavily touted by Fox.

Posted by: theobserver4 | April 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

to continue---(sorry)
The Islamic Republic of Iran is defiantly building nuclear weapons--
---Russia is helping them do this. But it's only for energy, not war.
Which is directly related to our concept and our belief of what "enriching uranium" means. For years, we have had it driven into us that "enriching uranium" is equal "to war". It may not be.

North Korea is back at it and the Taliban increases.
--Bush cut and ran in Afghanistan(taliban) after 2002 to go to Iraq. In that cutting and running, Taliban resurged. We never got Omar and that Ambassador to Pakistan guy.
-North Korea never left. They pull us in with a joke of "blowing up a nuclear water tower" and Bush believes Kim Jong--takes them off the state sponsored terrorist list and opens trade to them. They took us royal on that little PR stint.

President Bush is looking good in comparison to Obama.
--you cannot be serious on this.
Are you serious?
Perhaps you should talk to the 730 families of the folks that lost relatives at Cantor Fitzgerald on the 110th floor of WTC1 how good Bush is looking--after the fact---after 8 years of the fact of 9-11.

Not to mention the financial decline of U.S. and big, big government spending and control over private financial institutions and American manufactures.
--And you are saying this is President Obama's fault????

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Civil Rights Act was first introduced by President Kennedy, then promoted by Hubert Humphry and signed into law by Lyndon Johnson.

ALL DEMOCRATS - READ and EDUCATE YOURSELF dimwit!

Posted by: JRM2

Typical, you think it was democrats that started the civil rights movement.
It was people like Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and the rioters in Watts.
Yes, rioters and peaceful demonstraters alike. Not these white guys in power.
They signed papers is all.
The real unsung heros of the civil rights movement were the soilders who fought in the civil war. Gave their lives to keep the union together, and liberty and justice for all.
They signed with their blood to end slavery, but people like the humble Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, that gave it the final push AND the rioters in Watts.
But this is really irrelvant to the issue that occured yesterday. But just wanted to set the "history" lesson straight.
Don't belittle the opposition.
If I was to replace the words "blacks" with "teabaggers", these anti-liberal rants from the left would sound like the white seperatists from the south mocking Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King's demonstrations.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties were a failure for the predictable reason: they went too far. Just like people come away from gay pride parades with memories of exhibitionists, sadomasochists, beards and armpits, people who saw those parties saw racists and yahoos and sickos, the tax message completely drowned out by abhorrent people and their revolting suggestions.

Pride parade organizers have no political awareness; neither does the GOP.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

President Obama reminds me of what I learned my first day at Bell Laba.

No matter how smart you are, there's always somebody smarter.

Betting against him is just about the stupidest thing anybody can do.

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

KYGrannieD, do yourself a favor and google the Kent State Massacre, May 4, 1970, when 4 students were killed and 9 wounded, some seriously, for protesting the invasion of Cambodia. They were shot by the Ohio National Guard and it was believed that some of the injured were not even in the protest. Apparently somebody forgot this was America, not Brazil. The commander in Cheif at the time was the Republican Richard Nixon, you know the guy who was impeached for the Watergate scandal?

Posted by: socialmedic

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Oh, I was waiting for this to show up. I was there. It was a sad time then, it's a sad time now. Enough said. This is not the same.



Posted by: KYGrannieD | April 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

mike85- "...they want to make a clean sweep of the elected leaders who don't listen to them."
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Last November we made a COMPREHENSIVE sweep of our elected leaders. The teabaggers are joining the party a few months too late.

Posted by: squier13 | April 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris561_561 said "Obama has inverted the role model of A. Lincoln and has sucessfully divided America. He will suffer the political consequences. The protests will eventually push for a permenent divide between the people that can not be overcome. Chris561_561 says "Immigration, foreign policy, national defense and demostic economic policy are exactly what the tea partys are all about.

The defacto end of Obama and his administration was the date the bill that no one read was signed."

I was born in America. I've spoken english for 56 years. I can understand the words that Chris uses, but it still does not make sense. The TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Parties were about taxation, not immigration. So why does Chris list immigration first? And does Chris believe that Obama is no longer President? But Obama is President. So, as so often happens, conservatives like Chris seem illogical and irrational.

Posted by: martiniano | April 16, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Ron Paul has his issues all right, to start with he's a nitwit and his ideas don't add up. He's a firm believer in the fairy dust of free markets and that alone disqualifies him from holding national responsibility.

The Libertarians went from funny-nutty to clinically-nutty a long time ago, and no we are not ready to escape the frying pan only to end up in the fire.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

klaus:
okay, let's delve deeper.
i hear you, however-
The vague campaign promises of Obama on foreign policy and restoring respect for the U.S. has turned into the reality of a nightmare.
----i would like to know those promises in data. Foreign policy cannot change in 100 days. He is doing marvelous! And you know that.
-restoring respect - again, cannot happen overnight. this is my personal gauge for the prez because he did -in fact-promise "to bring human dignity back to the workplace".
i even wrote that one down. And I am willing to give him the benefit of time because, I live in the right to work state of Arizona...and I know first hand how the "pattern of behavior in the workplace" is equal,,,just about to "slavery".
no joke...


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The coverage of the Fox News sponsored tea-parties, which therefore meant they had an abject inability to cover the event objectively; thus prostituting their alleged mission as journalists, didn't seem so much anti-taxes as it did anti-Obama. What I saw in the press coverage was a collection of vulgar, racists signs that had nothing to do with taxes. As has been repeatedly pointed out, the actual tax liability to the average American- supposedly the majority of the tea-partygoers- was going down an average of $400. Only those who are riduclously wealthy are being hit with a tax increase. So what gives? Big business and big money duping- yet once again- the less evolved and less educated citizenry. Why do all these people think there are no jobs in the Mid-west or why we are talking about Zombie Banks? This movement seeks to keep those miserable souls right where they are, ignorant, desperate, and willing tools for the selfish aims of Big Business and Big Money. When about to be revealed for the scoundrels they are, they wrap themselves in the American flag for protection.

Posted by: slmdarien | April 16, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama has inverted the role model of A. Lincoln and has sucessfully divided America. He will suffer the political consequences. The protests will eventually push for a permenent divide between the people that can not be overcome. Chris561_561 says "Immigration, foreign policy, national defense and demostic economic policy are exactly what the tea partys are all about.

The defacto end of Obama and his administration was the date the bill that no one read was signed."

I was born in America. I've spoken english for 56 years. I can understand the words that Chris uses, but it still does not make sense. The TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Parties were about taxation, not immigration. So why does Chris list immigration first? And does Chris believe that Obama is no longer President? But Obama is President. So, as so often happens, conservatives like Chris seem illogical and irrational.

Posted by: martiniano | April 16, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey klaus any special reason you post the same thing over and over? Didn't Mom give you your ration of special attention this morning?

Speak for yourself. All the problems you mentioned began before Obama took office, and if you, clearly not wealthy, think you have any personal interest in the wealthy not paying taxes then you've drunk a little too much GOP Kool-Aid.

Obama is engaging Iran and I expect him to make progress with them; Bush refused to talk to them unless they came to the table with everything already conceded. Not how it works.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that matters in all this is that the goofballs in congress and the government will think twice before trying another $1 trillion pork-filled stimulus stunt.

Bush "record" deficit 2008=$490 billion
Obama projected deficit 2009=$1.8 trillion


Let the pigs at the trough ruminate.

Posted by: ttj1 | April 16, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties succeeded, in that they let America know there are still angry, white, middle-aged suburban people living in America.

Posted by: squier13 | April 16, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"For real change we need to listen to the likes of Ron Paul...sure he has issues, but his understanding about what is happening to the US economy and the tax burden for the people is possibly the best analysis there is."

You know, for all of the economic and international issues this country is facing, its hard for me to look objectively at the situation and come to conclude that all of this could have been avoided if only we were more libertarian.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Even with a beautiful day here in Boston I'd say the attendence was less that enthusiastic- I've seen a lot more at a NORML rally of even some of the animal shelter walk-a-thons held on the Common. With all the hype from the local radio and fronm Fox News I expected a lot more. Basically it was a non-event in the Northeast. I'd say if Texas want's to secede I say let them, take Alabama and Georgia with you.

Posted by: dboston | April 16, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties didn't make a coherent point. They were on tax day and they use imagery of the Boston Tea Party, yet they say taxes aren't the main point (which is logical since most people will pay LESS tax under the Recovery Act.)

They were a success in the sense that they solidified the far right alliance against Obama and congress, and for right wing media's Nielsen/Arbitron ratings.

They were a failure in the sense that they convinced the mainstream that this "movement" is just a farcical construction of right wing demagoguery.
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Not true. The fact that millions of Americans were mad enough about what their government is doing to them, and trying to do to them, that they came out mid-week to protest made a huge statement.

Knock off the political strategy BS. The Tea Parties were NOT about Republicans and Conservatives, they were about Americans from all walks of life, and from all political bents, coming together to let the Washington Establishment, and their states establishments, know that if they don't change their ways, they will be kicked out of office.

These people are serious. They want to be heard, and they want to make a clean sweep of the elected leaders who don't listen to them - Republican or Democrat.

And the fact that Obama said he was unaware of them made an even bigger statement. Obama and his minions are critically aware of this brewing revolt that may well derail his plans to socialize this country. That is precisely why the MSM has ignored the events. The MSM are so invested in Obama's socialization of America that if something happens to stop it, they will look like fools.

The next Tea Party day, look for paid goons from ACORN to try to break them up and make it look like they are violent events. ACORN has already done "dirty work" for both the Obama Campaign, and during Obama's Presidency, and they are ready and willing to do more.

Posted by: mike85 | April 16, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

What frustrates me most is that our society has become completely reactionary, and even then, only at extreme ends. Prudence and foresight have been lost.

In failing to see very far into the future, the protesters stayed home until things got completely out of control. As soon as the surplus turned into a deficit years ago, we should have raised our voices and said, "Watch it. Be careful with our money. My household sticks to a careful budget. My government should, too."

Instead, we sat back and waited until the point of no return, THEN we kicked and screamed.

Yes, Obama's budget is going to grow the national deficit. I am not happy about my tax money bailing out irresponsible corporations, either. But this has been percolating for many years, and reading a newspaper is all it took to notice we were headed down an expensive path.

The tea parties wouldn't have seemed so silly if they weren't sponsored by Fox "News," and if the people there had been demanding more of their lawmakers in the past.

Posted by: DCTexan1 | April 16, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

KYGrannieD, do yourself a favor and google the Kent State Massacre, May 4, 1970, when 4 students were killed and 9 wounded, some seriously, for protesting the invasion of Cambodia. They were shot by the Ohio National Guard and it was believed that some of the injured were not even in the protest. Apparently somebody forgot this was America, not Brazil. The commander in Cheif at the time was the Republican Richard Nixon, you know the guy who was impeached for the Watergate scandal?

Posted by: socialmedic | April 16, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"The average American should be able to see the results of the "tea parties" which caused the new Head of Security (Janet Napolitano) to be very concerned about people expressing their unhappiness with this current administration!"
123shadow
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First, the report was ordered and completed under the Bush administration so you must mean Michael Chertoff rather than Janet Napolitano. Second, Janet Napolitano is the Secretary for The Department of Homeland Security.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I truly wish there were some magic words to let people understand what is going on in our country. Hope and Change messages have not been defined, yet you cling to them as if they are the answer to all your problems. The people at the tea parties have looked at the Hope and Change, and cannot find anything behind them. Hope and Change?... How's that working for you so far?

Obama is not the issue. He has not really lead; what has he done? He has appointed people & turned over his power to Pelosi, to create bills as she desires, not even allowing the bills to be read.

The leaders are the problem. Throwing our tax money into empty pits and then wondering why these same pits pay their executives millions of our dollars in bonuses. There were no strings attached to the bailouts. I find it amazing that a group of attorneys (Representatives) put their ok on a bill that had no legal muscle to protect our dollars. We wanted to allow companies to fail. People grow when they fail; they learn from their mistakes so they can succeed the next time.

I guess those who did not like the tea parties are ok with bailouts, are ok with GM taking money instead of fixing their business model. Oh, they will have to fix it, but our money just allowed them to continue with their failed ideas for a few more months; ... are also ok with the government ignoring our laws; ... are also ok with Washington not reading the bills they sign; ... are also ok with the Unions taking away secret ballots; ... are also ok with subrogating the Constitution to UN rules.

There is not a dime's worth of difference between a Rep & a Dem. Both have become corrupt from their power, but maybe you are ok with your Congressman becoming a millionaire with incredible retirement and medical benefits for his part-time employment. Maybe you are ok with Congress having the ability to raise their own pay & receive kick-backs from lobbyists & form their own shell corporations to qualify for govt grants they vote for.

Maybe you are ok with the govt regulating all businesses, until it one day comes to your business.

Could it be you haven't been paying attention to what they are doing.. and I'm not talking about watching the news.

I was at the tea party because I am scared for my country. I want to leave the next generation a country that works FOR the people, not the people working FOR the govt. I do not want history to say that I did nothing to stop the govt corruption and power. Power to the people, not slavery! I want all people to have the power to succeed, even you who aren't paying attention, because I wasn't paying attention for a long time, but I AM NOW!

Posted by: PhoneHome1 | April 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Riling up to base is all well and good. But this kind of PR makes it harder, not easier for the GOP to win the next elections. They are scaring the left wing base as much as their own and associating their party with a bunch of clowns in the eyes of the moderates. Looks like the GOP is trying to establish a permenant liberal shift in american politics.

Posted by: theamazingjex | April 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

(in theory) Key words

They haven't worked before. They won't work now. Time will tell.

Posted by: KYGrannieD | April 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

My impression is that these tea parties were as sincere as a Communist mural. A bunch of crybabies and bedwetters who lost an election and just can't get over it.

Behind the tea-parties were a bunch of right-wing billionaires who object to having any civic responsibility; the goobers who attended them have no stake in sparing the rich higher taxes, and they're too angry and stupid to recognize that their own self-interest lies in supporting Obama's tax plans, which will lower their taxes.

It's like the 80s all over again for them, drooling over the Carringtons and the Ewings and thinking they're one step away from taking their place among the obscenely wealthy.

Funniest part of all: these are the same people who claim they know more about what's good for them than some "government bureaucracy." They have no idea where their self-interest lies.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | April 16, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The vague campaign promises of Obama on foreign policy and restoring respect for the U.S. has turned into the reality of a nightmare. The Islamic Republic of Iran is defiantly building nuclear weapons, North Korea is back at it and the Taliban increases. President Bush is looking good in comparison to Obama. Not to mention the financial decline of U.S. and big, big government spending and control over private financial institutions and American manufactures. The Tea Party reaction to the Obama is coming strongly from all U.S. citizens’ taxpayers.

Posted by: klausdmk | April 16, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Did the tea parties succeed?"
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Well, depends on how you term success.
And what people are looking for.
It did help set a snapshot, test the wind of the support for the standard GOP agenda of low to no taxes.
(Notice they don't have a clue about how they would handle the huge deficit and debt GWB left behind.
Do they think it will just be forgiven and they can wipe it off the books?)
Given April 15 was a workday, I wonder how the turnout can be assessed?
For example, if 1,000 people show up at a rally, how many people who wanted to be there but could not attend, does each participant represent?
Then, there are the statements at the rallies made by political figures.
Their words speak volumes; about discouragement, panic, shifts in the political winds around them.
Take for example our Texas governor.
Proclaiming the "sovereignty" of Texas clearly indicated Governor "Good Hair" Rick Perry has no concept what he is talking about.
By casting his political rhetorical lot with a convicted felon of notoriety some years back, Perry revealed his panic facing the coming election in 2010.
Those of us in Texas familiar with the history of Texas succession and the aborted illegal "Republic of Texas" charade perpetrated some years back by a bunch of nuts left us bemused and more than just a bit disgusted at the pitiful "leadership" Perry represents.
Were Texas to actually secede from the Union, it would not become a Republic once more; instead, it would almost immediately become another district of Mexico.
Perry knows that; what was he plotting with his ignorant remarks?
I think thoughtful members of the Republican Party have to be very discouraged and dispirited by the quantity and quality of rallies.
They have a lot of work to do.
So do the rest of us.
We have a mighty nation to rescue and restore after the previous 8-year assault on its integrity.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | April 16, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

For the first time since President Obama was elected or inaugurated, I felt worried about him while watching last night's news. The tea bag crowds looked small to me and many were just "run of the mill" anti-tax, small government types. Everyone has the right to be heard.

But I saw too many signs of what I would call "the crazies." There was a surprisingly large, highly inflammed fringe element that is passionately upset about one issue or another (i.e. linking Obama to Hitler was one, apparently frequently example). These folks really have their undies in a bundle about all sorts of issues -- more Christianity in America, weird constitutional theories, succession from the US, government involvement at any level, etc.

One worries about the crazies, what they will do if they feel threatened that they might lose their guns and their passion about whatever issues cause them to want guns.

I also thought it was highly, highly weird that a Governor -- Perry, of Texas in this case -- who reached out to the part of the crowd who want to suceed from the US and questioning whether that is really a radical idea. That should have been cleared up in the Civil War, I would have thought.

All this makes the link from Obama to Lincoln feel too prescient.

Posted by: BobOhio | April 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The vague campaign promises of Obama on foreign policy and restoring respect for the U.S. has turned into the reality of a nightmare. The Islamic Republic of Iran is defiantly building nuclear weapons, North Korea is back at it and the Taliban increases. President Bush is looking good in comparison to Obama. Not to mention the financial decline of U.S. and big, big government spending and control over private financial institutions and American manufactures. The Tea Party reaction to the Obama is coming strongly from all U.S. citizens’ taxpayers.

Posted by: klausdmk | April 16, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama's a total gem.

If he wasn't the President.

I'd adopt him.

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

123Shadow wrote: Whether right wingers--left wingers, when has the White House been afraid of people protesting? The Vietnam War had Jane Fonda and radical groups across this great country doing sit-ins--being arrested--hauled off by police, BUT NEVER DID THE WHITE HOUSE SCREAM THERE IS A MAJOR CONCERN TO NATIONAL SECURITY!

PLEASE AMERICA WAKE UP BEFORE YOUR RIGHTS ARE TAKEN FROM EVERYONE--WHETHER LEFT OR RIGHT WINGERS!

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Posted by: KYGrannieD | April 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I saw an off-camera moment at a teabag rally where Neil Cavuto asks an organizer how many people were in attendance, the organizer says, "about five thousand" Cavuto goes on to agree with him saying "yeah, about five thousand I'd say" then goes on FOX news live from the stage and says that they have a crowd of "15-20 thousand"

What is this problem with reality these people have?

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

123Shadow wrote: Whether right wingers--left wingers, when has the White House been afraid of people protesting? The Vietnam War had Jane Fonda and radical groups across this great country doing sit-ins--being arrested--hauled off by police, BUT NEVER DID THE WHITE HOUSE SCREAM THERE IS A MAJOR CONCERN TO NATIONAL SECURITY!

PLEASE AMERICA WAKE UP BEFORE YOUR RIGHTS ARE TAKEN FROM EVERYONE--WHETHER LEFT OR RIGHT WINGERS!

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Posted by: KYGrannieD | April 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

okay, i want to know how you think you were lied to by President Obama (on the campaign trail).

how did this President lie to you?

policies are not law.
policies are not USCODE (as in regulatory requirements that went BROKEN for 8 years under Bush)

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"The right to elect officials who will put the people before government pork spending and bailouts, the right to keep jobs in America for Americans and the right to make sure our children and grandchildren don't have to foot the bill for our mistakes. We pay our taxes, we have a right to decide where they end up."

You're not making any sense. All the things that you're against were implemented to combat the "Economic Decline."

So, you say that americans aren't going to sit back and watch the economy decline, but they you say you are against the things that are (in theory) going to turn the economy around.

How can it be both?

Posted by: VTDuffman | April 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The so called "tea parties" were actually more successful than I had anticipated.

First of all there were genuinely decent sized crowds at some of the events, such as Sacramento and San Antonio, even if they were the byproduct of relentless/shameless promotion by Fox News and others.

Secondly, they received great news coverage (i.e. lead story on NBC Nightly News) due to a slow news day. The White House communications team should have delayed the introduction of the Obamas' new dog until the 15th, which would have swamping out most of the tea party coverage.

The bottom line for the GOP is that these weren't pro-Republican rallies, marking the beginning of a resurgence for the party. They were simply anti-tax, pro gun, anti-government vent sessions, attended by the ever diminishing population of ultra conservatives, who blame officials in Washington, both Democrat AND Republican, for all things wrong with America.

Posted by: Irish_Bruin | April 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It was refreshing to see all the people who make over $250,000.00 take time from there busy day come out to protest taxes. It is about time these disenfranchised members of our society stood up and cried fowl to the burden they carry. After all, the bank bailouts that shored up their risky investments and now are going to allow them to reap profits are now going to be taxed! All the greedy people making less then $250,000.00 are going to get a tax break provided by the suffering of these unfortunate few. Anyone who is going to get a break needs to tell the government to keep it and use the money to help keep the status quo. Do your part and…HELP them hold their TEABAGS!

Posted by: kimb54 | April 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

What is the most important thought liberals, those who still support the Obama Administration/tax and spend government expansion of power is two fold. First and utmost is the "tea partys" are only the beginning. These so-called small groups of right wing extreemists as they are described by CNN and NBC are only the first to come out. To understand the conservative mind is to understand the concept of being conservative as a member of the silent majority. It is the first time since the beginning of the United States that conservatives have taken the responsibility to organize and take to the streets. As the millions of conservatives who stayed home and tuned in to see the massive onslought of dubious diatribes and insults broadcasted by the liberal media, decisions were made in the minds of these individual thinkers to become more involved. Second, as a result more and more will join the ranks and take to the street to protest. The Obama Administration with the release of who is now the most terrorist threat to America pointing to recent vets and single issue extreemists released during the week of these demonstrations has only added to the outrage felt in the hearts of these Americans. It is too late for the Obama Administration to turn things around and appease those who feel they made a huge mistake in electing him and the furry of the 43% of Americans who knew Obama was full of smoke, mirrors and campagin lies on all levels are now only more steadfast in their position.

Obama has inverted the role model of A. Lincoln and has sucessfully divided America. He will suffer the political consequences. The protests will eventually push for a permenent divide between the people that can not be overcome. Immigration, foreign policy, national defense and demostic economic policy are exactly what the tea partys are all about.

The defacto end of Obama and his administration was the date the bill that no one read was signed.

Posted by: Chris561_561 | April 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The average American should be able to see the results of the "tea parties" which caused the new Head of Security (Janet Napolitano) to be very concerned about people expressing their unhappiness with this current administration!

Whether right wingers--left wingers, when has the White House been afraid of people protesting? The Vietnam War had Jane Fonda and radical groups across this great country doing sit-ins--being arrested--hauled off by police, BUT NEVER DID THE WHITE HOUSE SCREAM THERE IS A MAJOR CONCERN TO NATIONAL SECURITY!

PLEASE AMERICA WAKE UP BEFORE YOUR RIGHTS ARE TAKEN FROM EVERYONE--WHETHER LEFT OR RIGHT WINGERS!

Posted by: 123Shadow | April 16, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"Having 6,000,000+ Americans coming out on a week day to protest the abuses of our government is huge.

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What a stretch! Most of us know how the right wing count numbers in crowds. McCain and Palin visited my city for a rally last year. They reported numbers in the facility where they held their rally as double the capacity of the facility, yet a camera sweep showed that the facility was not 70% occupied. The local fire marshalls did not make any estimates.

Do you understand what double the capacity of the facility means? It means that if the elevator can hold ten people, they reported that it held 20.

I expect that by next week, the new revised numbers as reported by the fringe right will be 12 million while the authorities will come in with crowd estimates much less than 6 million.

Posted by: EarlC | April 16, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Lets just assume that there was about 500,000 "Tea-Baggers" nation wide +/-. Personally I think that this is an outrageously high number, but lets just use it for arguments sake.

On the other hand, on Jan. 20 in one tiny location at our nations capitol an estimated 1,800,000 people showed up in celebration.

Multiple Locations Vs. One Location
.5 Mill Vs. 1.8 Mill

Now which group has the ear of the majority of the nation?

All I heard yesterday was a bunch of "Tea-Baggers" mumbling incoherently because there mouths were stuffed with ideologicle nuts.

Posted by: lamorc | April 16, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

i agree EarlC....

maybe research would help, eh?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

KYGranny said "I think our elected officials got the message yesterday that Americans are not going to sit back and watch our economy decline any more." So what will Americans do? Secede? Riot? Become unemployed? Move away? What exactly are you advocating?

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The right to elect officials who will put the people before government pork spending and bailouts, the right to keep jobs in America for Americans and the right to make sure our children and grandchildren don't have to foot the bill for our mistakes. We pay our taxes, we have a right to decide where they end up.

Posted by: KYGrannieD | April 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

One of the worst cup of tea the Republicans along with Fox New could ever produce. This extreme right wing agenda is what put them into exile to begin with and they still practice this stupidity. When they grow up is when America will maybe listen. Maybe....

Posted by: rbraun2000 | April 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Sabrina4, "We want to take our nation back from the wasteful spending of both the democratic and republican parties and return it to those who earned it."

So you either want anarchy like Somalia or socialism. Which is it Sabrina? Why do you hate our representative democracy?

Posted by: martiniano | April 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know what your current tax rate is, but if you believe it is too high, what rate do you feel is the correct rate? Please give a number."

I don't know what state you live in, but I live in one of the highest taxed states in the nation. STATE TAXES went up in every state since Jan. 2009.
NY state increased taxes on 137 items alone. And still the dems have a budget hole, so now they are cutting services.
hmmmm
So what the heck are all the taxes for?

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Steven what you are missing is the fact that all state and local revenues are down. When this happens in a state ( I am a New Yorker), all taxes will go up, as we are currently seeing in New York. Businesses are leaving by the droves. Big businesses provide thousands if not millions of jobs. Employed people contribute to the tax base. Unemployed people or people on welfare contribute much less if anything to the state and local coffers.

Posted by: sophieora | April 16, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Thank you orange2299

Best comments I've seen.

Posted by: JeffDavid | April 16, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"The message we heard was not pointing the finger at just democrats, but also at republicans"

If it wasn't just anti-democrat or anti-obama, why haven't you people been protesting the last 8 years? Nothing enw has happened.

Posted by: VTDuffman | April 16, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The pied pipers of the conservative party have led America down a drunken path for thirty years without telling them that they are footing the bill for the party. And they spat in the face of the liberals who tried to tell them. What? You don't think the money would come out of fascist Corporate profits did you? That was what the merger of Corporate and State power was for. It was that sort of thing USA had tried to avoid with its traditional distinction between business and government. Reagan ran for president on Hitler's political platform and America bought it. The BILL is now long overdue.

Posted by: socialmedic | April 16, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"'s true that taxes will not increase in the short term, except on high earners, but at some point somebody has to pay for all of that"
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Consider what we will be getting for our money. If a bridge lasts another 50 years because of the stimulus then I and my children can drive across that bridge. Same goes for education and green energy.

Also, consider that there are a few banks that are ready to start paying back their TARP funds.

Are you telling me that you want bridges, roads, dams, power plants, education, green energy but you don't expect to pay for it?

Because that's what the teabaggers are telling me.

What do we have to show for the deficit that the previous administration ran up? two wars, a wrecked economy, international condemnation and a violated constitution.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

mike85 "Having 6,000,000+ Americans"

That is pure fantasy. Turn out was closer to 60,000 than 6 million! Even Fox says "thousands". You're still living in Bush's fantasy world.

Part of the change that Obama brought to America is honesty. While Bush borrowed $billions to hide the true cost of his policies, Obama is straight up about it. And you can't handle the honesty.

Posted by: martiniano | April 16, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hitpoints

Were they organizing protests anytime in the past several years against the $12 BILLION spent each MONTH in Iraq?

Where were the tea parties when Bush signed the stimulus bill? Or the Bush $85 billion bailout to AIG?
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I don't know, where were you? I guess you didn't care then just like you don't care now.

We had a referendum on our country's direction and governance back in November, and the country voted FOR what these teabags are against.
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So what is your point? Not the whole country voted for these policies.
And many that for Obama, well we found out we were lied to. This was not what we voted for.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

It is amusing and also sad that so many people are so ignorant about the rationale for the "bailouts" and other economic policies as laid out by the most articulate and decent President in many years. It is so obvious that these people have not listened to the various "horses' mouths." Rather they prefer to listen to the right fringe spin doctors who edit, play backwards, and distort the news, which they often play in soundbites without context. Yesterday made the distortions obvious to those who really paid attention to the news and actual lengthy footage of the distortions as they were occurring. Good luck to the right as they continue to navigate in their echo chambers and move closer to the cliff.

Posted by: EarlC | April 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"Having 6,000,000+ Americans coming out on a week day to protest the abuses of our government is huge. The only reason there is a debate about it is that the the MSM is trying to figure out how badly they misgauge these event, and how to recover."

Lol, yes there were 6 million people protesting yesterday and no one knows about it because of a vast media conspiracy geared to keep this obvious tidal wave of revolution down!

Posted by: VTDuffman | April 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

A couple questions that would have been interesting to hear answered from the protesters:
"I don't know what your current tax rate is, but if you believe it is too high, what rate do you feel is the correct rate? Please give a number."

"Do you believe your current tax rate is historically high or low?"

"If you believe the US is doing a poor job spending and taxing, what modern country do you see as doing a good job?"

That would have at least given me a better understanding of what they're angry about. From what I could see, all that was covered was a lot of anger.

Posted by: stephen8 | April 16, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I went to Lafayette Park yesterday, and it was amazing. Code Pink showed up to get press coverage. About 12:30 I walked to the Treasury, and was told the permit had been pulled that morning. Went back to the park, and had to tell 3 reporters about the permit being pulled! They didn't know! So much for journalism. The crowd was great, and very respectful of different views. Too bad the Post has no journalists left.

Posted by: sophieora | April 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Answer this for me JeffDavid, then why now?"

I don't know where you got the quote you're attributing to me, but it's not mine.

I was against the bailouts last fall, as were a lot of people.

I don't know who all these unamed economists are but these guys sure seem to have a lot of sway with people, especially when they're brought up to support an opinion.

Posted by: JeffDavid | April 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I attended the 16,000 strong TEA party in San Antonio, Texas. It was fantastic. The message we heard was not pointing the finger at just democrats, but also at republicans -- we have basically had it with government on both sides --- we do not like how they are spending our money, borrowing money we can't pay back, we do not like the fact that we are the strongest nation in the world, but we can not even secure our borders---(or can we and just not doing it) The TEA party was an eye opener for many and exciting things are ahead. We love and believe in our Constitution and believe values are important to any civilized nation - we have seen what happens when government runs things ie; schools --- our children are in trouble! We want to take our nation back from the wasteful spending of both the democratic and republican parties and return it to those who earned it.

Posted by: Sabrina4 | April 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"There were plenty of people there yesterday who criticized Bush and the GOP as well."

Those people are intellectually dishonest, then. As has been asked thousands of times, where were all these anti-bush people for the last 8 years? It's easy to be against Bush *now*. Criticizing him now is hollow.

This is the fundamental problem the GOP faces. They shout about all of this stuff: smaller government, less spending, fiscal responsibility, personal liberty...when they aren't in power. Then they get power, throw all that to the wayside and start doing whatever they want, spending whatever they want, etc.

It's a cycle, it happens EVERY TIME. The GOP has a major credibility issue right now because of it.

Right now the message is: "It's only OK when WE do it!"

Posted by: VTDuffman | April 16, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

KYGranny said "I think our elected officials got the message yesterday that Americans are not going to sit back and watch our economy decline any more." So what will Americans do? Secede? Riot? Become unemployed? Move away? What exactly are you advocating?

Posted by: martiniano | April 16, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

lunchtime class - bell is ringing......
Fascism-dictatorial movement.
-any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism.

Socialism-political system of communal ownership.
-a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles

Nationalism-desire for political independence – patriotism
-the desire to achieve political independence, especially by a country under foreign control or by a people with a separate identity and culture but no state of their own.

Federalism-political system/doctrine
-a political system in which several states or regions defer some powers, e.g. in foreign affairs, to a central government while retaining a limited measure of self-government.

Militarism-pursuit of military aims, strong influence of military government
-a high level of influence by military personnel and ideals on the government or policies of a country or state.
-the pursuit or celebration of military ideals.

Communism-one party state Marxist Leninist system
-any system of government in which a single, usually totalitarian, party holds power, and the state controls the economy.
-the Marxist-Leninist version of a classless society in which capitalism is overthrown by a working-class revolution that gives ownership and control of wealth and property to the state.

Republic-political system of elected representatives
-a political system or form of government in which people elect representatives to exercise power for them.
-a country or other political unit whose government or political system is that of a republic.
-a constituent political and territorial unit of a national federation or union.

Democracy-free and equal representation of people.
– democratic system of government – control of organization by members.
-the free and equal right of every person to participate in a system of government, often practiced by electing representatives of the people by the majority of the people.
-a system of government based on the principle of majority decision-making.
the control of an organization by its members, who have a free and equal right to participate in decision-making processes.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Having 6,000,000+ Americans coming out on a week day to protest the abuses of our government is huge. The only reason there is a debate about it is that the the MSM is trying to figure out how badly they misgauge these event, and how to recover.

Ignoring it, like the New York Times, USA today, and the broadcast media has done will prove to be disastrous for them, as their viewers and readers know what happened, and will not be fooled by their downplaying the events.

Posted by: mike85 | April 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties didn't make a coherent point. They were on tax day and they use imagery of the Boston Tea Party, yet they say taxes aren't the main point (which is logical since most people will pay LESS tax under the Recovery Act.)

They were a success in the sense that they solidified the far right alliance against Obama and congress, and for right wing media's Nielsen/Arbitron ratings.

They were a failure in the sense that they convinced the mainstream that this "movement" is just a farcical construction of right wing demagoguery.

Posted by: squier13 | April 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Merger of State and Corporate power, hmmm, like State power to deregulate Corporations like Enron enabling them to transfigure the electric grid into a puppet grid for corporate power over an entire State? ... Yes, Enron, the model of fascist corporate power for nearly every corporation in America, if not the world, for at least 2 decades? But if Enron was stupid enough to get caught in its lies, there were always Oil companies who could harness the State military forces, in the name of war on terror, to invade and take over a country that just happens to have lots of critical oil and ideal location for a pipe line ... gas prices have proven an effective method of puppeting the public at the pump. By the way, does anybody recall any public protest of Enron or Big Oil? What is a fascist state if it is not given the freedom to abuse the public freely, by the public? Hitler, after all, was a very popular guy, at least when he began.

Posted by: socialmedic | April 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"Need to look up your parties history before making insults against anothers. It was republicans that gave you civil rights and the vote during those times. READ and EDUCATE yourselves people.

Posted by: JeanieinFl | April 16, 2009 3:08 PM |"
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The Civil Rights Act was first introduced by President Kennedy, then promoted by Hubert Humphry and signed into law by Lyndon Johnson.

ALL DEMOCRATS - READ and EDUCATE YOURSELF dimwit!

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Whilst I think thousands of people coming out to protest at the tea parties is fantastic, i wonder if it will achieve anything. Really, if we are freedom loving people, should we not have been protesting long ago. It is irrelevant which of the two main parties is in power, they all serve the same interests, hence the many broken promises so early on in the Obama Presidency.
But much of what has happened, was already in the pipeline before the Democrats took power, the Republicans did much the same. This country was sold to the highest bidders a long time ago and the people have been ripped off a long time too.

As for how revolutionary the tea parties are, well how many purchased the tea before throwing it? The revolutionaries of old didn't buy the tea off the enemy, they stole it.

For real change we need to listen to the likes of Ron Paul...sure he has issues, but his understanding about what is happening to the US economy and the tax burden for the people is possibly the best analysis there is.

Posted by: democraticlibertarian | April 16, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

jeffdavid says "Everyone should be concerned about the bailouts and the spending. There are going to be real consequences for it in the future."

What are the "real" consequences? What are the alternatives? What are the real consequences of your alternatives? Let's just say that all these companies were allowed to fail and took our unemployment to 25% or 30%. What would be the long term consequences of that?

Posted by: martiniano | April 16, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I do, however, have to commend the gentelman in the forefront of this picture for his incredible Just for Men (tm) dyejob.

Posted by: VTDuffman | April 16, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I think the Teabaggers are unwittingly admitting to a deep understanding of how much better off we are under Obama. It may be too deep for they themselves to recognize, but it has permeated even their world view.

To wit: under Bush, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, AROUND THE WORLD protested again and again against his hair-brained policies. They were roundly ignored by the administration.

Now, the Teabaggers, looking back at that dismal history, conclude that a nation-wide protest (infinitely less organized or diverse), will possibly sway President Obama into incorporating some of the Teabagger's points of concern.

And here's the thing: to the extent that they offer any cogent thoughts or constructive alternatives, they may be right, in direct contrast to Bush.

Posted by: ekg1 | April 16, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter which side you're on, I think our elected officials got the message yesterday that Americans are not going to sit back and watch our economy decline any more. If Obama can come up with a solution to balance our economy, give him time. But at least they know the taxpayers are watching where OUR money is going.

Posted by: KYGrannieD | April 16, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm a liberal, and proud of it. But I have to say I don't like what I'm seeing and hearing from "our" side when it comes to these tea parties.

First, the level of discourse must improve. Stop calling the people who showed up hateful or racist. That's a very serious, and is slanderous without evidence. (Don't argue that one guy here or another guy there had an offensive sign. There are fringe elements at any protest. The right tried to portray the anti-war movement as extremist because a few anarchists would show up and break windows at some rallies. Be reasonable.) And please stop with this juvenile reference to teabagging. It's embarrassing.

Second, if I had to guess what motivated the people who showed up yesterday, it was exasperation at the trillions we've spent on various bailouts, plus the prospect of trillions more in debt to come (according to both the White House and the CBO). It's true that taxes will not increase in the short term, except on high earners, but at some point somebody has to pay for all of that. We're still paying for Reagan's deficits now, and will be paying George W. Bush's deficits for a long time too.

Finally, while the GOP and various conservative groups are trying to take advantage of the tea parties, I think it's a mistake to think of this as a Republican initiative. There were plenty of people there yesterday who criticized Bush and the GOP as well. The Republicans are out in front of the crowd pretending it's a parade, but it's not.

I didn't go to the events, nor did I want to. Like I said, I'm a liberal. I understand that government has a positive role to play in society and I'm willing to pay taxes to allow that to happen. I don't think a return to Clinton-era tax levels, as Obama is proposing, is a problem at all. But I think liberals should be just as worried as conservatives at the level of debt we're incurring. Remember, it was Reagan and the Bushes who built up the debt we have, and Clinton who balanced the budget. You can argue that we have to spend a lot right now, as Obama's budget proposes. But it's not unreasonable, and certainly not racist or stupid, to think the opposite, and go to a rally to say so.

Posted by: orange2299 | April 16, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Where were the republicans when Bush was borrowing us into the toilet? Where were the republicans when Bush was wiping his butt with our constitution?

You can always ignore the democrats when they ask these questions, it's what you and the democrats do anyway - ignore each other.

But the independents are asking you republicans these questions now! Where were you!

Until you address these questions, why should we listen to you complain about the democrats? You are not also-partisan, you are only-partisan. In any effort to keep the democrats from taxing us into the toilet you are useless.

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

There must be some reason our Constitution has the right to assemble in it. Where were the african-americans when the Democratic Politicians in the KKK were killing them, immagrants and Black Republicans in our early history? OH yeah, you joined their party. Need to look up your parties history before making insults against anothers. It was republicans that gave you civil rights and the vote during those times. READ and EDUCATE yourselves people.

Posted by: JeanieinFl | April 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Fox News PR stunt. Angry White Male crackpots. No news here. Next!

Posted by: info53 | April 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

hey jmk--
on my definitions of socialism and such..

taken straight from Websters - as in dictionary.

but thanks for your opinion that i was wrong

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Real americans drink coffee

Posted by: sam37 | April 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"People are angry that we are going to be paying off these debts for years and decades to come"
Posted by: JeffDavid | April 16, 2009 2:57 PM |
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Answer this for me JeffDavid, then why now?, why not when Bush instigated the TARP program? (originally with NO oversight) Why not when he and "deficits don't matter" Cheney were running wild? Can you show me ONE non-white face in any of those crowds?

Economists on both the left and the right were nearly unanimous that we needed a stimulus because the alternative was to let the economy fall apart and let the nation possibly devolve into anarchy and chaos.

Which choice do you think should have been made?

Sadly, it WAS a racially motivated event.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Teabaggers strained to be heard.

Teabaggers leave with bad taste in mounth over Obama.

Teabaggers chafed by park laws.

Teabaggers almost in hot water for littering.

Teabaggers upset that authorities asked to see the goods before unloading.

Teabaggers go ballistic over tax code.

Teabagging...not just for fratboys:)

Teabaggers lacking in stamina for a long rally, disperse peacefully to some other circle jerk.

The ball was dropped by teabagger organizer.

Teabaggers should have rallied at the mouth of the Potomac.

Due to cold wet weather and lack of motivation teabaggers shrunk in numbers.

If you teabag in public, you might be a redneck.

Teabaggers led by Dick Armey were unable to drop their loads today due to mishandling of organization leading to an impotent turnout.

Posted by: Ironcomments | April 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I think the message was drowned out by those who were angry about the election result. I don't mind the taxes but I would like to see where the money is going. Priority one should be education. At least some of these folks would learn all of their "isms". Socialism, communism, and fascism.

Posted by: Frank18 | April 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"The events were attended by people who are genuinely concerned about the amount of money the government is spending."

If this was true, then we would have seen these parties at some point before now. Spending was plenty wasteful during the Bush administration. But the only demonstrations we had then were the anti-war ones which went largely ignored because of the lack of corporate sponsorship.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

As a older white Christian man, I certainly do not have problems with freedom of speech and the ability of people to have protest marches and so forth. What strikes me is the lack of a multicultural assemblage of people yesterday. What the conservatives do not understand is that when they become linked to the fringe right, it is the same as the progressive left of the middle gets linked to the fringe left. The conservatives tried very hard to make that connection between an Obama of 1995 and a Bill Ayers of the mid 1970s. However, the conservatives are making the linkage to the fringe right very easy for us today since they are willing to stand with them and smile while holding signs and banners that are designed to ridicule, intimidate, and demean our duely elected President. In the long run, I pray that these tactics will fail for the good of all Americans.

When I think about the number of assault rifles that are in the hands of the elements on the finge right, I worry. There is not much difference between these people and the radical right of Islam in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Level heads need to prevail, whether from the right or the left. I think it is time to worry about the moderate middle as it is time to worry about our middleclass. What I saw on the news about the protests yesterday did not look very Christian to me. Polite, Christian people do not get involved in character assassination and hate speech. I wonder where the Christians are that protest such outrageous behavior just like these same Christians like to wonder why the moderate Muslims do not try to correct the fringe Muslim elements. It does seem like a double standard to me.

Posted by: EarlC | April 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

nah, they didn't get any "word out".....
it was a big yawn and we all know it....

reminds me of another big yawn..
april 10, 2006...
the protest across the nation in regards to illegal immigration.
i was in health at that time....governor Napilatano gave all the state workers the option of taking the day off cause the capital downtown was going to be
beseiged by protesters....
and it was strong....
but meant nothing in the end.

again, the bandwagon theory.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"The events were attended by people who are genuinely concerned about the amount of money the government is spending."

Were they organizing protests anytime in the past several years against the $12 BILLION spent each MONTH in Iraq?

Where were the tea parties when Bush signed the stimulus bill? Or the Bush $85 billion bailout to AIG?

We had a referendum on our country's direction and governance back in November, and the country voted FOR what these teabags are against.

I don't begrudge people from protesting and speaking their minds, but they ought to at least be honest about it - these are protests against Obama himself, not "taxes", or "bailouts".

Posted by: hitpoints | April 16, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I think I saw someone in the crowd wearing a mink coat. Geez, they must be really hurting for money if they can take the day off and protest...wearing a mink.

Posted by: anonymous3 | April 16, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

When I see words like "fascist" "Rethug", "Libtard", "socialism", or any other word that's obviously driven by emotion instead of clear-headedness, I immediately move to the next comment.

As for the tea party. Yes, let's get upset and rally when the Democrats are the unchecked spenders, but let's keep our picket signs in the closet when it's the Republicans. This is why I don't see this so-called tea party as a protest. It's a partisan news grabber to knock Obama off his popularity pedestal.

Republicans are finally becoming transparent; not because they're on the up and up but because their subterfuges are getting easier to spot.

Posted by: Rounds77 | April 16, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"What they are really concerned about is that there is an African American in the White House, pure and simple."

I disagree. Everyone should be concerned about the bailouts and the spending. There are going to be real consequences for it in the future.

Posted by: JeffDavid | April 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

People are clearly angry. I’m sure attendance would have been much higher if this event had occurred on a weekend. So I don’t think it is possible to declare success or failure based on attendance. I do think it is possible to say whether a message was successfully sent. The message was not successful because there is no central, focused point. If the message is that taxes are too high then who was the message directed to? Were they talking to the States? Or to Congress? Or to Obama? It’s hard to tell. Are they angry because they think Obama is a socialist? If this were true he would not still have the support of the richest people in the world. Or because of the bailout that Bush initiated? What was the alternative? Are they angry because GM, AIG and other huge corporations were not allowed to fail? These look like working-class people, do they understand the long term affect of a GM failure? They offer no incontrovertible evidence that they understand. In fact, I get the impression, over and over again, that the teabaggers don’t really understand why they are mad. But, reading some of the comments recently on Wapo, some are mad enough to threaten civil war, revolution, or they ask “Libs, can you say 7.62 full metal jacket?” a direct reference to deadly force. And while there is no reason to their fear, there is plenty of reason to be concerned about their violent tendencies: the recent murder of police officers by a man who was convinced that Obama would take his guns away. The murder of church goers at a UU service by a conservative. Judging by these events and the signs displayed at Tea Parties it is obvious that many of these people only know to use force to solve problems. Force solves all. And intelligent people who love civilization have understood for 10,000 years that force is the least efficient and effective way to solve problems. So, from just what I’ve written here one could gather that these people are irrational and prone to violence. Their irrationality makes them easy to lead by emotion. Fox News did an excellent job of frightening these people. For example, Fox suggested that ACORN would “infiltrate” the tea parties. The Tea Party message was unhinged, unfocused, illogical and irrational.

Posted by: martiniano | April 16, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The tea party worked as intended for all involved.

Right-wingers got their word out and got some people to turn out and demonstrate not everyone is in love with Obama.

Left-wingers marginalized it enough to make it seem trite.

So, the right can say it succeeded wildly and the left can say it was a dismal failure.

Overall, everyone won. Especially the tea manufacturers who have been given an impromptu "tea bailout."

Hey Republicans: Americans Drink Coffee!

Posted by: Overdenkotten | April 16, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Frankly Susan Boyle is touching and talented. The tea parties are a joke by Fox and the Republicans and rightfully deserve the cynicism that was initially expressed for Boyle before she sang. So, Boyle's a hit and the tea parties are a joke. No new Republican party there... just a boring Fox media event of the old, crumbling Republican party. For inspiration, watch Boyle... she's got talent and moxie.

Posted by: elmi | April 16, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Dr to patient "Turn your head and cough"
Patient to Dr "But I thought you were a vet"

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"People are angry that we are going to be paying off these debts for years and decades to come"
blert
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Ahh but not all, banks are scrambling like mad to repay TARP funds because they don't want to operate under TARP's conditions.

So, we get get some back at least.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Where were you people when REAGAN nearly TRIPLED the DEBT?

Where were you people when BUSH doubled the DEBT?

Where were you people when REAGAN and BUSH were deregulating and eliminating enforcement?

Drinking TEA from your $5,000 Silver TEA services, or just blaming LIBERALS for making America great and most important, civilized.

IF that is all you can muster, then the world is safe from conservatism!

Posted by: nacirema | April 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If the left wing supporters of this administration and the media organs of the left think that these protest are about taxes and spending they are blind.
These protests,and they will grow,are about resistance to an admistration that seeks to control the means of finance,education,production and communications,in short,they are fascist.
We protest for a free,representative republican form of government,liberty as the United States Constitution,Bill of Rights and our founders intended.
Mr. Obama clearly stated ,shortly after the election,that he would seek to produce a new set of founding documents to replace what the founders created.Mr Obama cannot take away what the Almighty bestowed as our rights to Life,Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
He will only be succesful if he defeats the guardians of the Constitution in a civil strife.
"IS LIFE SO DEAR,OR IS PEACE SO SWEET,AS TO BE PURCHASED BY THE CHAINS OF SLAVERY?"
"GIVE US LIBERTY OR GIVE US DEATH"
This will not be difficult for the Fascist LEFT to contemplate as they currently murder the innocent young and plan to murder the old.
He who controls the wealth makes the rules and that is why we oppose confiscatory Taxation and a tripling of DEBT.

Posted by: firebrand | April 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

ok... people... understand what fascism is. It is NOT an anti-racial concept or a "right" government philosophy, at least not in what the traditional American sense of "right" is.

Fascism as a government/ economic system is the merging of government and corporate power for the purpose of promoting the state's societal goals. The line between private and public sectors gets blurred and individual liberties, both civil and economic, move aside in favor of public goals. We only have this imagery of killing Jews and invading other countries as being synonymous with fascism as a principal because of WWII and the resulting propaganda machine of the time that linked the two as one in of the same. If you actually read what people said before the war in the 1920s, and 1930s, those in favor of central planning, inluding many "progressives" had a lot of good things to say about fascist Italy, including FDR who stated, “There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.“ Mussolini in return stated that the New Deal, was "clearly based on fascist principals."

As Mussolini stated, "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." That was the central theme of FDR's various alphabet soup programs that regulated and coordinated industry and kept it from "excessive competition", organizing it for some central good.

If you actually want to understand what this system is read here: http://www.banned-books.com/truth-seeker/1994archive/121_3/ts213l.html

And this is exactly what we have today with all these bailouts/ government ownerhip in private firsm, monstrous deficit spending and federal reserve printing, mixed with government control over industrial sectors, micro managing their business plans and who they can hire and at what price, like never seen before and the reciprocal business control and collusion of and with government. Its all for "green jobs", government madated production of cars that "americans want" and "getting credit flowing" and other societal goals, justifying the merging of government and business into one.

Obama is simply a continuation of Bush, whether it be bailouts, Iraq, executive power, civil liberties, etc. The quicker people realize that only "change" that Obama brings is who is in the driver's seat down our quickly accelerating ride down the road to serfdom, the less pain we will suffer.

Posted by: ebase22 | April 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

euro --

I'm impressesed. I live in the SF bay area and i never thought of that...

Republicans are dumb.

Just call them the "T-Girls"

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Success for the tea party spells failure for America. We have gotten used to being subjected to the power of idiots to hijack a country en masse. Only the future will tell if letting the idiots outnumber the intelligent and rule them is truly a successful policy on which to run a nation, the world. If all men were created equal then how is it we have so many morons stepping up? I do not believe however that all men were created equally stupid. I am sure I am not the only one to feel that I am not on par with the lowest common denominator and glad I am not. If the failures of the debacles of the last conservative run 30 years are not enough to convince people ... you could hit them over the head with a club and they would never feel it.

Posted by: socialmedic | April 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

There is a large reservoir of anger and concern over the size of the federal debt Obama is taking on. These tea parties might have been able to successfully harness it if they could have stayed on topic. Unfortunately the topics of discussion strayed quickly into rhetoric that sounded either silly or scary to the vast majority of Americans, and which overshadowed any legitimate message they might have had.

Unless you're prepared to call President Obama a "socialist" and his stimulus plan "fascist", and unless you believe that the proposal of a 3% tax increase on the wealthy and a tax cut for everyone else are "fighting words" then the overall message coming out of these tea parties was unpersuasive.

Posted by: bidalah | April 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

the wonderful "bandwagon concept" is all that these Tea Parties were.
(along those lines of the mob hysteria theory)

betcha 10 bucks:
not one of the people that showed up ANYWHERE .....in anytown USA----
1)read Public Law 111-5
2) know the difference between the Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 and the relation to PL 111-5
3) read the Homeowners Rescue Bill
4) or the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act
5) or the Small Business Act Temporary Extension
6) or the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act .

AND - i wonder how many undocumenteds were holding up signs

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"The events were attended by people who are genuinely concerned about the amount of money the government is spending. Their opinions are as legitmate as anyone else's."
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So no Blacks, Latinos, or, Asians are concerned about deficit spending?

What they are really concerned about is that there is an African American in the White House, pure and simple.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Tea Party? It seemed a little flitty sissy thing to have.

Posted by: euroguy | April 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Well, my taxes are lower than last year. I can only assume its because of the tea party.

But yeah, this was a pretty stupid stunt. The FOX News involvement served to reduce the legitimacy of the whole thing, not enhance it. These things are a lot easier to orchestrate with mass corporate support. I promise you the anti-war rallies don't have this kind of backing.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have been reduced to "soiling themselves" in public.

Its really kind of pathetic.

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

From my point of view it was not very clear what their message was besides anger. It did not seem like they had a big impact. Teabags seemed like a silly symbol from the get-go, regardless of double meanings. Some day this crowd will find a symbol to rally around that resonates, but this wasn't it... seems like the conservatives are casting around wildly for something popular to grab onto and run with, like that dumb Joe the Plumber schtick and now this. Keep trying... maybe someday something will stick.

Posted by: catherine3 | April 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

So what I find to be particularly interesting is that the "organizers" of the tea-party are simply rehashing now defunct and antiquated arguments that do not resonate with the vast majority of the American public. They are arguing against "big-government" and "socialism" which might be fine and well but whether they admit it or not a paradigm shift is taking place in American politics. Essentially, they are arguing an 18th century battle in the 21st century. Republicans need a message and a movement and these protesters need a way to vent their frustration. Yet, neither the Republicans or these tea-baggers have true leadership. direction or legitimate cause. Oh yeah and now it's time for us to secede (Rick Perry).

Posted by: dplummer04 | April 16, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

Is everyone CLEAR on WHY Americans were protesting yesterday............??

Write it down........print it our liberals.........sad
Posted by: allenridge | April 16, 2009 2:22 PM |"
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Thus the tea bags?

and

Why didn't these people hold their rallies against Bush and the Repubs deficit spending?, why just their new-found religion in the last 2.5 months? Why didn't I see any non-white faces in ANY pictures or broadcasts?

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Please that was the most entertaining thing to watch. Little dribbles of people with their pathetic signs. Wow what a protest bring on the riot gear. :::::chirp chirp:: was that a cricket I just heard. Looks like the repugs were indeed Teabagged with a chalk full of nuts. ahahahahahah

Posted by: Strongwmn | April 16, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

It makes me laugh to see all the emotionally immature comments made here. The events were attended by people who are genuinely concerned about the amount of money the government is spending. Their opinions are as legitmate as anyone else's.

One reason the economy is in a mess is because people spent money they didn't have. Now the government intends to fix the economy by spending money IT doesn't have. I expect it will lead to a similar outcome.

Posted by: JeffDavid | April 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The Boston Tea Party was all about Taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.

This was the Republican Party protesting losing and attacking Obama and that is all it was.

Treacherously Egregious Angst Party of people demonstrating their inability to deal with the defeat of their warped ideals.

The rich have all the representation and most of the people attending, LESS than a single basketball game attendance including all the nationally FOX sponsored gatherings was 100% about losing in November, greed and hate and nothing about America.
The RICH people who attended in DC were driving Mercedes, LEXUS, et al, the ones OVER REPRESENTED by their power to avoid taxes. Look at their signs and you see ANTI-OBAMA.

The people protesting yesterday were the OVER represented who control most of the money and want more, or the fearful and racist who hate Obama because he is BLACK witnessed by the signs and drivel.

This was the Rush, FOX, conservative media waste of tea demonstration.

Tea Party……..Actually the RICH do have Tea Parties and here, once again are the rich wasting resources.

Conservatives CREATED INCOME TAX to shift taxes to workers you fools!

The bailouts are because of DEREGULATION, and CONSERVATIVE GREED.

America is a LIBERAL idea, as are our documents and to think otherwise is to live a lie or to operate a MEDIA giant under the guise of fear, hate and racism.

The henhouse of America is occupied by a FOX, but we can deal with this one, because it is all talk, all lies and all hate and while they can cause damage, this is America, the great LIBERAL experiment.

What an embarrassment to America this farce was. I realize Glen Beck and Hannity know nothing of America or history, but please, support education.

Conservatives can only live in a world of ignorance and fear. Stop being afraid, get educated and help rebuild the damage of the past eight years of conservative greed and arrogance!

Posted by: nacirema | April 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"I agree that any event that has ruffled the feathers of the liberal media, bloggers, etc as much as this has should be qualified as a roaring success."

That seems to be all it was for, sticking the republican finger in the eye of their hated enemies.

But did it mean anything else? Did it accomplish anything else?

It would have been great to see millions of people attend, a true cross-section of the American electorate. Both parties in our government are as incompetent a group of idiots as we've ever had and they need to know how pissed off we are about that.

But I didn't see that cross section, the only outrage I saw was a bunch of sore losers and fearful idiots whipped on by a party that takes them for granted.

Quite pathetic, and sad.

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see any of the sad looking people that were protesting yesterday the "TRILLIONS $$$ DEFICIT" protesting when Bush burnt the surplus Clinton generated and added 1 and a half trillion $ deficit to the Nation. May be because they are partisans hacks?

Posted by: BFranco | April 16, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Republicans --

The "New Jersey Generals" of politics...

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I think the biggest problem with the coverage that I saw, and organizers invited this problem by staging the protest on April 15, is that it too much was spun as an anti-tax protest. This is partly an issue, although only a small fraction of what has people angry, and most, if they are protesting taxes, are protesting future tax hikes that will be made necessary by the bailouts and Obama's ambitious spending plans.

And these are really the focus of the protests, I think. People are angry about money handed to Wall Street bankers, who, while the rest of the country still suffers, are announcing robust profits this week thanks to all of the taxpayer support. People are angry that we are going to be paying off these debts for years and decades to come. It's much more about how our tax dollars are being spent and how the deficit is being run up than about the particular tax rate this year, last year, or next year. And a lot of this was lost in the mainstream media coverage, which often tried to talk about taxes only.

Posted by: blert | April 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

THE ISSUE IS:

AMERICANS were protesting:

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.
$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

Is everyone CLEAR on WHY Americans were protesting yesterday............??

Write it down........print it our liberals.........sad


Posted by: allenridge | April 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I got a sense of deja vu from the TEA Parties. They reminded me not so much of the 18th Century American Revolution as the 20th Century Reagan Revolution. Conservatives think they can dust off the old Gramm-Rudman Tax Revolt strategy and run it past America while waiting for the second coming of the Gipper.

Not gonna happen.

Posted by: drazen1 | April 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I doubt this many people showed up. I live in an area were 90 percent are Republican rednecks and I didn't see or hear about a single Tea Party. Hmm...who did the counting anyway?

Posted by: john_geo_smith | April 16, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to enjoy the Republican's postings...

They're America's "Bagdad Bobs"

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

One must wonder how many demonstrators were paid by the Republican party and other conservative groups to attend the tea parties? These people need to look at their pay checks to see that Obama has reduced their taxes already. If we end the war maybe we can cut taxes more

Posted by: dbbeamer | April 16, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I went to the Tea Party in Annapolis and it was a grand success!!! It was estimated that there were approximately 2000 in attendance. This was on a weekday and the weather was absolutely horrible! I would say that is a good turnout.

From what I have gathered- the tea parties were successful all over the nation and there was not one report of violence. This speaks volums for what "We the People" want.
I am laughing at how the left (and they are the ones who polarized this event) are just fuming at how well it went. Personally, one of the reasons I attended is because I am alarmed at how far away from the Constitution we have strayed.

Posted by: roxy1 | April 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

We need full coverage of this on network news. Especially the people threatening violence. Only by exposing this evil will we as a country progress to brighter times.

Posted by: cdog1220 | April 16, 2009 2:23 PM
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What "network" FASCIST news?

Liberals, your NAZI-like fascists hero's CENSORED as best they could these thousands of "tea parties".

It's amazing how so many liberals can be fooled by should an obvious corrupt left-wing press..............

No wonder the country is headed in the wrong direction.

Posted by: allenridge | April 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Well once again the Republican followers have been duped by the Rich and Famous to do their dirty work. I would sincerely like to ask these people exactly what it is they thought they were protesting. The taxes they paid for last year are based on the rates imposed by Bush and gang. So I assume they are protesting against their own leadership. Certainly the Obama tax plan has not been implemented yet. Or are the protesting the fact that president Obama is going to lower their taxes and raise taxes on the rich??!! I'm confused...but then again most things coming from the Republicans these days are CONFUSING!!

Posted by: john_geo_smith | April 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

This is truly a case where a picture is worth a thousand words. Pictures abounded of ugly, angry people with vicious signs attacking the president who did not seem to have a clear understanding of his tax policies. The clearest pictures was from St. Louis where maybe 500 people showed up to tea bag. Contrast that with Obama's campaign appearance where 100,000 people showed up. Dominating a news cycle does not create a movement. Reaching out to ALL Americans does.

Posted by: DCFem | April 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

So jmk55, I can presume by your posts that you've been in several black churches since you stated that they are ALL filled with hate for whites, and were these churches in communist countries too?because apparently you've lived through that also.

Me thinks you're full of poop.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 2:15 PM |
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Me think you missed something. I said "just about all..." big difference, and besides that, yes, I have been in at least 10 or fifteen of them, and I have seen or listened to tapes from many more, and yes I will stand by my statement.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of being spit on - a couple of years ago I went to the Book Festival that is held down at the Mall. The same day the anti-war protesters were assembling down by the White House. As I was exiting at the Archives-Navy Memorial Metro I was greeted by a sea of angry snarling faces. Obscene shouts were yelled at me and one man spit on me. This man was also a priest wagging a flag. I gues it goes to show there can be irrational hatred in any crowd. What made it the most sickening to my eyes was the fact that I was there simply for the Book Festival and was not trying to undermine our country as I was mistakeningly accused of. I would bet dollars to donuts the majority of the same people in that ugly snarling crowd that I encountered that day attended a 'Tea Bag Party' yesterday and screamed out for revolution or secession. When will the GOP wake up and realize the way back into anyone's heart is not through being ugly!

Posted by: dre7861 | April 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

betsy --

I love women.

You're just not one of them.

A woman who used to work for me now makes $1M/year.

You never will...

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Straightline "I smell fear..."

Take a bath.

Posted by: martiniano | April 16, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sirs,
Remember the Shay's Rebellion against a whiskey tax.
George Washington was the president.
Wasn't he one of our Founding Fathers?
Was he a communist, a socialist or a traitor?
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | April 16, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties succeeded in showing the majority of America just how much hate and igorance is still present. Just like the people at the McCain/Palin ralies, these demonstrators are marginalizing themselves and the GOP from the rest of the rational population. We need full coverage of this on network news. Especially the people threatening violence. Only by exposing this evil will we as a country progress to brighter times.

Posted by: cdog1220 | April 16, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

AMERICANS were protesting:

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.
$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

$$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS FOR YEARS TO COME.

Is everyone CLEAR on WHY Americans were protesting yesterday............??

Write it down........print it our liberals.........sad

Posted by: allenridge | April 16, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of their proported subject matter Republian postings make a haunting and cogent call for proper pre-natal care and oxygen during delivery.

Without oxygen, your kid could wind up as a Republican.

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

kat --

Betsy has major "grender role" issues.

Think "Lumberjack..."

Posted by: svreader
O there you are again ...
gender role issues.
Yeah same old rhetoric of putting down females from the liberal left wing.
Can't stand it can you that a woman doesn't know her place and refuses to wear a burka?
That makes me happy, to see you squirm.
Well we, female lumberjacks, are here to stay. I think you have issues and can't stand it that women are not staying in the kitchen. Nope we are out and with us being more than 50% of the population, we have a lot of power. Silly old white man.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The Teabagger did their thing , manufactured and captured yesterday's 24 hour spin cycle. Now that distraction is over, we are back to having the best leadership we could have hoped or prayed for trying to walk us out of this morass they inheireted.

I am amazed how smart, linear and non-vitriolic President Obama is. His speech at Georgetown earlier this week was in his "professor hat" and he provided a very clear overview of what we are facing as a nation, and why his very young administration is making the financial decisions they have made. You can probably google it. It's worth 50 minutes of your time to listen to it no matter where you are in the political spectrum.

Obama is so in command of the method and the message that I'm actually not concerned about the right wing spinmachine and wringer. They are spining around in their own private wringer. Same damp rags- round and round and round. The rest of America will judge Obama based on whathe does and what he says.

Posted by: mastin | April 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Just what are they protesting?, the largest middle-class tax cut in over 40 years?

These protestors just got their righteous indignation 2 1/2 months ago.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 2:10 PM
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TAX CUTS FOR MIDDLE CLASS??? Just wait and see. All good things to those who wait.
All these naive people when seeing 10 or 15 bucks extra on their paycheck say thank you Mr. Obama, but what they fail to see is all the other taxes going up. Cigarette taxes, alcohol taxes, gasoline taxes,state taxes, highway taxes, transportation taxes, etc, etc, etc. Just give it time, you'll start seeing it too.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The reality is that the tea parties represented those who still harbor sour grapes for losing the election. The numbers, regardless of who is speculating, don't amount to any groundswell of 'new opinion'. These are the same DOPES for NOPE that voted against Obama and just had an opportunity to express it. That's America. But for the GOP, who usually relies on public relations, thinks this gimmick will change what ALL the polls are telling us, which is the continued high support for Obama, they're crazy. It's a nice attempt to stifle the strength of this new administration and the change of ideas, something the 'Newt' did to Clinton, and he and his corporate puppeteers will try again. It won't work but a nice attempt at what democracy really is about. 250,000 people doesn't a movement make. Obama has more supporters in one month than that. Nice try but no cigar.

Posted by: dkress1 | April 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Liberal Fascists are a NEW breed in the world.

You can find many of them in Hollywood, colleges/universities, and mostly in our MSM wolfpack press.

They are the most intolerant klan, no question about it.

EVERY American got to see how the left-wing MSM wolfpack CENSORED for weeks these "tea parties" my normal Americans who don't like the idea of $$ TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS year after year for the next ten years.........unsustainable and completely wrong.

America's LEFT-WING NAZI-like press (POST) is and has been very busy for decades contaminating the average American.

You can tell because the commenters out here today "repeat" the same olde sterotypes and lies..........

Just the sad FACTS..........

Posted by: allenridge | April 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure anyone will remember this in a year or two. But if nothing else, it does show that Republicans have never completely lost their ability to mobilize working class people against higher taxes for rich people, even when most of the participants in these demonstrations probably get a tax cut this year.

In politics, perception often means more than facts. And with Fox News on their side, Republicans are very good at that game.

I'm more worried by the militant, almost hysterical talk you are hearing from people like Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity, or even Congresswoman Bachmann, these days. How long before some nut take their hyperbole seriously and tries to kill the president? The right is definitely playing with fire here.

Posted by: SteinslandRune | April 16, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

GOV'T FUSION CENTER SPYING: PRETEXT TO HARASS AND CENSOR?

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 16, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick and tired about people whining about paying taxes. How moronic! Paying taxes is the price we pay for living in a civilized society you morons!
Didn't your mama tell you that there are only 2 certain things in life: you pay taxes and you die!
Also how moronic and hypocritical is for people to protest taxes while they are paying less taxes now than last year?
Any cheese with your whine Dick Armey and company?

Posted by: BFranco | April 16, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Chris, whether the tax protests succeeded or failed does not depend on whom you ask. It is possible to make an independent judgement: this astroturf creation of the GOP proved a miserable failure.

Posted by: PutDownTheKoolaid | April 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

So jmk55, I can presume by your posts that you've been in several black churches since you stated that they are ALL filled with hate for whites, and were these churches in communist countries too?because apparently you've lived through that also.

Me thinks you're full of poop.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

All my posts about the "parties" are listed here:

http://24ahead.com/s/tea-parties

Those posts describe why the "parties" are wrong, why they'll have little or no impact, and what BHO's smart opponents should be doing instead.

The WaPo probably *welcomes* the "tea parties" because every president needs a feckless opposition. However, my suggestion for what BHO's smart opponents should be doing instead is something that the WaPo definitely does not want you to do because it would show just how bad their reporting is.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | April 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

linguist64 are you serious or Delisional?

One thing's for sure: any event that has this many liberal bloggers mad as hell was definitely a success! I know conservatives have scored a victory when I read comments like the ones here, with liberals this apoplectic with anger. 2010 will be a repeat of 1994, a GOP landslide, mark my words.

Posted by: linguist64 | April 16, 2009

When the Conservatism (Whatever that Means) gets crushed in 2010 you will have some other BS Excuse. You guys had power and blew because your ideas STINK! Period.

Posted by: aunkmaa1 | April 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I would place a bet that most of the (idiotic)liberal comments made on here are from people who had a public education...why do I know this? You are only espousing the moronic crap taught there...and you have yet to think for yourselves. I also had a public education...but at least I am able to see beyond it and think...I suggest you try it also. It is called GROWING UP...I suggest you liberals try it!! And start turning down those welfare entitlements...frankly, if you get them, you shouldn't be allowed to vote...duh.


Posted by: kwitmuss | April 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

From jumpstreet, the whole idea of these Tea Parties is completely backwards.


They were held in public spaces whose upkeep is paid for by public funds derived from taxes.

They were "modeled" (and I really use that word loosely) after an event spurred on by unfair taxes levied against a group of people with no voice in the body that was levying the taxes. The people who showed up at these events yesterday all have multiple forms of representation at various levels of local, state, and federal governments; most just happened to have voted for the losing side in the last few elections. If you really want to exact change, then get involved. That is what happened in Nov 2008; the Dems got involved and won sweeping victories.

As Jon Stewart pointed out, they were gathering together to protest wasteful spending, yet paid for millions of tea bags that were then fashioned into earrings and other such fabulous "bling" or unceremoniously thrown to the ground, wasted.

I have to imagine a great majority of the people who showed up were educated in publicly funded schools throughout their lives, again, paid for by taxes... if this is the case, please, I want my money back, because they weren't taught a single thing worth my hard earned pay

To me, judging by the groups who organized these events and the unbelievably hateful signs the people hand-made, all of these events really were just a gathering of hateful, spiteful, petty losers who can't come to grips with the fact that they lost, and will continue to lose, while they pledged their allegiance to a backwards party mired with lousy candidates and sad, small little people.

Posted by: AndrewVoyer | April 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

As the economy suffers depression, and unemployment stays high, the income flowing into State and Federal coffers goes down. Basic economics 101. State and local governments need to raise taxes to cover basic necessities. However, none of this happened overnight, it has been happening for eight years and nobody at the helm was willing to tell the king he was naked.

Now you have an intellectual in the White House who is doing everything in is power to straighten things out. Will it take time? Yes. Will it be easy? No. But does it help if you go and whine on the streets? Maybe. But you need to get back to work and start helping those who are trying to fix things and stop getting in the way!

Bipartisan debates need to be civil, informative and honest events. Folks who want to demonstrate on the streets and not listen to reason and offer no hope are of no use. They don't belong at the bargaining table. If you want bipartisan participation get rid of the whining rhetoric and offer realistic options. Be willing to admit your failings.

George Bush and Dick Cheney to this day do not regret one action. The war in Iraq? The response to hurricane Katrina? Torture? Wiretapping innocent American citizens? Not one regreat. They have ruined the Republican party and left if drifting on the high seas, susceptible to any pirate crew to come along and hijack the crew. And yes, it is the leaderless rabble being hijacked by the likes of Rush and Karl. A sad state of affairs, truly.

When was the last time an American president did so much to improve the image of America overseas in such a short time? Give credit where credit is due? Argue and debate all you want, but learn to be civil, learn to contribute to making America a better place.

The nation will survive, will you be part of the solution?

Posted by: fide | April 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

It's a sign of the cynical manipulation of the more primitive parts of human nature for the gain of the manipulators. What they share is a worldview that based on the belief that life is a zero sum game, at best. I can only win, or maybe just stay afloat, if you lose. This has not been the actual case for, oh, a couple of hundred years, at least for our society. But it is a powerful emotion wired into us by evolution, which, I'm guessing, a disproportionate number of these artificially enraged protesters don't believe in either.
So, to answer your questions, there are certainly no new ideas here, or even any worthwhile old ideas. Just a naked appeal to an inappropriate, vestigial world view.

Posted by: csaether | April 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

What do you mean, "Did it work?"

What was the goal in the first place?

To express unorganized outrage while ego stroking alongside people who's minds you have indeed NOT changed?

Is that really a goal?


Posted by: trident420 | April 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

What amazes me are these calls from the right that Obama is a fascist. You do realize that if President Obama was a fascist leader like Hitler that all the tea bag protesters of yesterday would have had the doors to their homes busted in last night so as to be either shot or taken away to prison. Of course in a true fascist country there would have been no tea bag protest as yesterday since any protesters brave/stupid enough would have been greeted by the military who had orders to shoot and kill. You do realize that under fascist rule that there is only one party and all other voices of disent are drowned out. Yesterday I did not hear or read one 'liberal' commentator who said that tea baggers didn't have a right to protest if they felt inclined to do so. You do realize that the basic driving idea behind fascism is a driving hatred of all things socialist or communist. In fact on the political spectrum fascism is usually on the far right of even the farthest right of the GOP. You do realize that fascism at its core usually has a strong racism quality to it and if President Obama was a fascist then his Vice President and all his Cabinet would be all of the same racial background and that he would have enacted policies that would have severely effected the day to day life of those racial groups that are the necessary enemy of any fascist group. The last time I looked I have not seen any right that I previously had taken away during the new administration and the fact that completely white crowds were allowed to assemble yesterday shows me that none have been taken away. You do realize that all fascist rulers do not ask for consensus, do not go to the opposition party to ask their oppinion (mainly because there is no oposition party) and are usually described as complete and total dictators? There are of course a thousand other similar questions I could ask.

If you're going to throw around terms I would suggest you know their definition before you do.

Posted by: dre7861 | April 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Wasn’t it MLK who said something like “Don’t judge me on my words but judge me on the color of the man I’m saying them to”?

Posted by: leapin | April 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Betsy --

Keep goin girl.
I haven't laughed this much since the N20 line broke at Murray Hill.

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Well the Liberal Fascists at CNN, MSNBC, and many other left-wing news outlets ready showed their corrupt NAZI-like feathers yesterday. Here you go:

"For thousands of Americans, Tax Day was a moment to protest what they see as bloated budgets and a pile of debt being passed on to their children.

For CNN, MSNBC and other media outlets, it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to use the word "teabagging" in a sentence.

Teabagging, for those who don't live in a frat house, refers to a sexual act involving part of the male genitalia and a second person's face or mouth.

So when the anti-tax "tea party" protests were held Wednesday across the country, cable anchors and guests -- who for weeks had all but ignored the story -- covered the protests by cracking a litany of barely concealed sexual references.

CNN anchor Anderson Cooper interspersed "teabagging" references with analyst David Gergen's more staid commentary on how Republicans are still "searching for their voice."

"It's hard to talk when you're teabagging," Cooper explained. Gergen laughed, but Cooper kept a straight face.

MSNBC's David Shuster weaved a tapestry of "Animal House" humor Monday as he filled in for Countdown host Keith Olbermann.

The protests, he explained, amount to "Teabagging day for the right wing and they are going nuts for it."

He described the parties as simultaneously "full-throated" and "toothless," and continued: "They want to give President Obama a strong tongue-lashing and lick government spending." Shuster also noted how the protesters "whipped out" the demonstrations this past weekend."

The "news" is broke in America, like the deficit it's time to ACT!

Posted by: allenridge | April 16, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

They succeeded in making themselves look like racist idiots, I probably saw 100 photos and videos of these gatherings and did not see a single face that wasn't white.

It is a peasant mentality duped into doing the dirty work for the rich.

Just what are they protesting?, the largest middle-class tax cut in over 40 years?

These protestors just got their righteous indignation 2 1/2 months ago.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Socialism-political system of communal ownership.
a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 2:02 PM
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Wrong, this is not how socialism really works. maybe on paper, but not in real life. The people own just a tiny percentage of small businesses that never really prosper. The government owns all the big business and control the prices, salaries, taxes, etc. The next step is communism. Trust me, I know it, I lived it.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

What is so ironic, you same old hippy draft dodging spitting and taunting the troops, liberals, actually have the nerve to put down any kind of demonstration put on be people who don't agree with your brand of politics.
SMELLS LIKE HYPOCRITS TO ME.
Where is your spirit of freedom and the power of the people now, you old dried up prunes.
Here is what you did in your day, just a sampling:
The 1960s were extremely violent times. Quick read of the AVAILABLE newspapers and you have stories of police officers and antiwar protesters fighting in the streets. And for the record, spitting by both men and woman is easily documented. A sampling? Antiwar demonstrators instructed to spit on LBJ’s car. Bob Hope’s car was spit on when it was stopped by antiwar protestors as he tried to attend the Army Ball in LA. The mayor of Oakland was spit on A news reporter reported that a police officer was spit on by an antiwar protestor at the Oakland Induction center during attempts by antiwar protestors to close the center down. Abbie Hoffman was charged with spitting on a police officer at the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. If you think spitting was disgusting, then you wouldn’t want to hear the reports of police officers being hit with human excrement and urine.

We only used teabags, maybe we should have been spitting and fighting with the cops.
Excretement anyone?

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The talk of "pork" in the budget gets to the idea that all spending is not the same. Some pays off and some does not. Now if we could only agree which is which, we would know when to spend and when to save.

That is the question.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | April 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

kat --

Betsy has major "grender role" issues.

Think "Lumberjack..."

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I guess the real answer won't be known for two years. However, there were over 1,500 Tea Parties yesterday alone. There have been many more prior to this. Some had attendances of over 10,000. I think the Post's reporting of the Lafayette Park at a couple of hundred is a very low number. Add it up, I would say more than a million people stood up yesterday and protested.

Here's the thing. The people who attended these rallies aren't your typical protesters. I attended the one in Frederick in pouring rain. I'd guess the number at around one thousand.

It wasn't anit-Obama or even pro-republican. It was a bunch of people who are very concerned about the money that is being spent (and wasted) by this administration, frustsrtate at the money spent by the previous administration and is going to do something about it.

There is real concern that we are headed to an economic meltdown. We can't keep printing money we don't have, especially not at the rate we've done in the past five months. Obama's budget would TRIPLE our debt. This will almost certainly lead to the further decline in the value of the dollar and an unwillingness on the part of foreign investors to buy US back securities. The end result will be high inflation.

This was simply the opening shot of a revolt. Let's see what happens with the movement from here. Does it continue to gain momentum or fizzle out?

I perosnally believe we are going to see more and more frustration with the government and will see more of these types of events.

Posted by: jcyr4 | April 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree that any event that has ruffled the feathers of the liberal media, bloggers, etc as much as this has should be qualified as a roaring success.

Posted by: Jahswim | April 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm switching parties. After that awesome display of seeing American's go back to their core principles I'm jumping ship. I see a freight train coming down track now that Benedict McCain has been made irrevelent.

I jumped ship when Bennie McCain ran and now I'm jumping back on. DEMS are in serious trouble. Need Proof? Google Chris Dodd and Barney Franks numbers in their own district. This sickness is coming to an end.

Chevy

Posted by: MrPotatoHead98 | April 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

This Tea Party Fabrication is about all these right wingers have left. Their ideas didn't fly in the legitimate eye of the public, their leadership has failed them miserably, and their representative party (Republican) won't be heard from much in the next 20 years or so. The one-issue 6th District will probably survive in that camp wilth Michelle leading the way--so sad!

Posted by: schmitty67 | April 16, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

betsy3, did Cheney, Bush, and Rush spit on the soldiers? They were draft-dodgers too.

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Maybe you mean well, but the republican party is dead as last week's sushi.

Posted by: svreader | April 16, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Fascism is all about the socialism, communism and LEFT WING"

Ignorance abounds. Common to fascism and communsim is authoritarianism. But economically & philosophically they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Commies to the left, Fascists to the right.

(stuck in the middle...)

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 16, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it was very successful. Most of the people that I saw when asked why they were there, didn't really know. The ones who did answer simply said the same very far right stuff that the Fox Advocacy station had been saying. Some sticking to simple hate stuff, and that isn't someone whose opinions either would or wouldn't be changed anyhow.

Posted by: pacos_gal | April 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

spitting on the troops when they came back from Nam"

No urban legends either, please.

That is a lie. They were spit on by the libbies, draft dodging hippies of the day.
Many of these men still feel the scars today.
"Still have flash backs blood,heat,humidity,wet at all times,jungles,bugs,fear and having survived we landed in san fran safe at last only to be taunted and spit on . "

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

One thing's for sure: any event that has this many liberal bloggers mad as hell was definitely a success! I know conservatives have scored a victory when I read comments like the ones here, with liberals this apoplectic with anger. 2010 will be a repeat of 1994, a GOP landslide, mark my words.

Posted by: linguist64 | April 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jshaver001
You should be afraid as these people are in the majority and they are becoming angry. The sleeping giant is awakening and will take the country back--you'll see.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I believe that already happened...in November.

Posted by: biggirl90 | April 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party was a big success, and the proof of that is how upset the liberal Democrap Socialists on this blog are. They're hysterical rantings, name-calling jingoism, racist anti-white psycho-babble, and whining hissi-fits over the Tea Parties message is music to any conservatives ears. It proves that the Tea Party idea was a winner. My middle finger to all you America--hating Democrap Socialists and Bozo Obama supporters, who want to turn our great country into another workers paradise like North Korea, Cuba, or like the former USSR's.

Posted by: armpeg | April 16, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I saddened to see how many folks still hate/fear Black people...

Posted by: kase | April 16, 2009 1:50 PM
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Way less than black folks hating white folks.
Go to just about any black church and listen to the sermons. It's all about hatred there.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Fascism-dictatorial movement.
any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism.

Socialism-political system of communal ownership.
a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Answer the simple question. The present administration just tripled the deficit. How and who is going to pay for all this spending?

Take a look in the mirror, because the person looking back at you will be paying it back. Believe it or not, you will. And if you're happy with how much you pay in taxes now, just wait till the smoke screen disappears. This is a product of weak incompetent past and present leadership. This is what the tea parties were about. It doesn't matter who is in the presidents seat, the spending has gotten totally out of control, tripling the deficit and hanging a burden around the necks of every citizen of this country that is way to heavy. We are spending money we do not have. The very thing that has caused this collapse in the first place. Oh, but it will get paid back by you and every other American and then when that isn't enough, the people we owe the most to will swoop in and take this country right from under your feet. That's what we stood for in those tea parties, that is what is being protested. And it is a shame that people are so caught up in the euphoria of the new administration that they have become blind to the truth in all this.

Posted by: hanocul6 | April 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse


hibernators got it...
the clean up cost how much now????


see -
we had to clean up that (*$&(_*&_(U

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

kr1839: You're obviously too ignorant to realize that fascists are far right wing nuts, akin to the hate mongers who teabagged across America yesterday. We libs prefer to be called pinko commies, thank you very much.

Posted by: hiberniantears | April 16, 2009 1:47 PM
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hiberniantears, I think you have no clue what fascism really is, do you? Fascism is not about right wing. Fascism is all about the socialism, communism and LEFT WING. Hitler and Stalin could be brothers as their ideology was based on fear, control and brainwashing people. Sounds familiar?

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

This, imho, was merely a top down showboating exercise hyped up by Fox, Rush, etc. I would applaud these people if I had heard a peep out of them for the last eight years. Do I agree with all that is going on? No, absolutely not. However we are in a mess and I pray that some very good minds know what the heck they are doing. Do I agree that taxpayer money should be used to bail out 'The Masters of the Universe'? No, but some smart people have laid out very good reasons for doing so. My interest now is to get the country back on the road to recovery, rebuilding businesses in the USA, rather than exporting the jobs to third world nations and reimporting the products back and selling them at a heck of a profit. I want regulation of those good old boys on Wall Street who are responsible for bringing the nation, indeed the world, to its knees. I want the next generation to be well educated with job opportunites galore.
It's hard to see how a faux tea party helps resolve any of the very complex issues that face all of us. But, like the hippies of yore, I stand by their right to get out and protest. Please note that noone is calling them a traitor because they choose to protest the Obama admin decisions.

Posted by: vjfevp | April 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The people that were at the tea parties were the same type of individuals that attended the McCain/Palin rallies. They are usually older white people full of anger, bitterness,hostility, racism and very uninformed. The participates were holding signs that stated Obama was raising their taxes. However, most of these persons make less than 250, 000 per year; therefore, they are among those whose taxes were decreased and not increased.

When Bush #43 was president, these protestors did not see a need to have tea parties. Where were the tea parties when Bush #43 lied to the country about the war in Iraq (weapons of mass destruction)that has resulted in thousands of deaths and costing trillions of dollars. Where were the tea parties when Bush #43 continued to allow banks to be deregulated causing an economic meltdown ? Where were the tea parties when Bush #43 and the Republicans in Congress voted for the bailout in September 2008 and continued to cut taxes ONLY for the wealthy and oil companies ?
THE TEA PARTIES REPRESENT THE HYPOCRISY OF REPUBLICANS, PARTICULARLY THE RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES !

God help America !

Posted by: LSMaryland | April 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The people that were at the tea parties were the same type of individuals that attended the McCain/Palin rallies. They are usually older white people full of anger, bitterness,hostility, racism and very uninformed. The participates were holding signs that stated Obama was raising their taxes. However, most of these persons make less than 250, 000 per year; therefore, they are among those whose taxes were decreased and not increased.

When Bush #43 was president, these protestors did not see a need to have tea parties. Where were the tea parties when Bush #43 lied to the country about the war in Iraq (weapons of mass destruction)that has resulted in thousands of deaths and costing trillions of dollars. Where were the tea parties when Bush #43 continued to allow banks to be deregulated causing an economic meltdown ? Where were the tea parties when Bush #43 and the Republicans in Congress voted for the bailout in September 2008 and continued to cut taxes ONLY for the wealthy and oil companies ?
THE TEA PARTIES REPRESENT HYPOCRISY !

God help America !

Posted by: LSMaryland | April 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Wake up folks…you are paying less tax today than you were this time last year. Tea Party? Really? How absurd!


Posted by: johnncookeville
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT? EVERY SINGLE STATE RAISED TAXES THAT WERE NOT PROGRESSIVE THIS YEAR. WHAT STATE ARE YOU IN?

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If they were actually a success, the organizers wouldn't need to exaggerate the participation. Grover Norquist was in a chat yesterday claiming that the DC crowd, in the hundreds by the most generous of estimations, contained "thousands and thousands of people" and that there were millions of participants nationwide. If the support was that strong, they wouldn't need to say it over and over again. Kind of like how if the events were truly "grassroots," they wouldn't have needed to say it over and over again. There's an element of "methinks the lady doth protest too much" here.

If the tea parties were successful of anything, it was affirming the 26% who already hate the president still hate the president.

Posted by: VTDuffman | April 16, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

no they did not work.

tell me now, what are "grass roots" bases and "grass roots" nature?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 16, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"spitting on the troops when they came back from Nam"

No urban legends either, please.

Posted by: mattintx | April 16, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if a lot of that anger on display isn't racially motivated. The participants were overwhelmingly white, and I think for a lot of them, that’s reason enough to be angry about this president. No, Alan Keyes doesn't count--not to say he's not black; I think that's the lamest of insults--he doesn't count as a legitimate spokesman of any minority point of view, except maybe the delusional. I thought news reports that Michael Steele was "uninvited" to one of these things in Chicago (reports now (un)surprisingly denied by Michael Steele’s party headquarters) were especially telling. I live in the South, and I saw a lot of hysteria at election time that was all about race--although nothing about race was said out loud in public. This feels like more of the same.

Posted by: belladonna123 | April 16, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I saddened to see how many folks still hate/fear Black people...

Posted by: kase | April 16, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah it was a BIG success, slimly liberal Demo-Rats are heading the endangered species list!

Posted by: theaz | April 16, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Get over it: He is Black and President!!!

Posted by: yamamah | April 16, 2009 1:38 PM
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LOL the above nutjob forgot to mention it took a white woman to create it.

LOL LOL! What an idiot!

Chevy

Posted by: MrPotatoHead98 | April 16, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it wasn't millions, it was thousands.
A small sea of white faces.

Posted by: pca6661 | April 16, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey you leftover hippies and draft dodgers from the 60s, we young people can get our own and will get our own leaders to get rid of you id i o ts.
So far we aren't organized yet, but just like the anti war movement you helped inspire.. we have greater power with the internet to spread the word and inspire us.
But instead of spitting on the troops when they came back from Nam like you did, we are going to change this country and take it back to its roots.
We won't spit on you, okay.
We will follow Martin Luther Kings example and peacefully overcome.
We have plenty to be angry about, and the backlash will happen.
We don't want a socialist/communist country with debt and taxation.
You don't think that is enough to inspire us? Think again.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I think the sheer and complete whiteness of the crowd, the inarticulate anger and the shouts of revolution and sucession can do nothing but hurt the GOP further. The American people were turned off by the angry chest-thumping that characterize the Palin/McCain ralies of the election. This is not the kind of values that the average American embraces. The calls for secession - and I read some blog comments today in which these people were calling for the complete dismantling of the United States into regional separate countries - are unpatriotic and seem vastly at odds with the party who wrapped themselves in the American flag. In fact it smacks of a spoiled kid who doesn't get his way on a playground taking all the toys away in a tantrum. If you really want to see how successful these 'tea bag parties' are then the WaPo should conduct polling asking people if they favor either revolution to overthrow our duly elected government or if their own state should seceed from the Union.

The shouts of secession reminded me less of the Spirit of 1776 but more of the fever that started the Civil War. I really believe that the GOP fanning these flames of revolution and secession is extremely dangerous territory and will probably blow up in their faces - let's hope it doesn't involve the loss of lives when it does.

Posted by: dre7861 | April 16, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I think they worked to the extent that many people feel confused, angry and frightened. So much of what is happening in the financial world is not understood (or misunderstood) by so many people.

This gave them a chance to vent in a way beyond the Internet. It won't result in any policy changes but some of the folks I know that attended one or another of these feel like they've had their chance to give the President "what for".

Posted by: Huntington1 | April 16, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

kr1839: You're obviously too ignorant to realize that fascists are far right wing nuts, akin to the hate mongers who teabagged across America yesterday. We libs prefer to be called pinko commies, thank you very much.

Posted by: hiberniantears | April 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

hmmmmmer has an opinion! LOL!

Priceless!

Chevy

Posted by: MrPotatoHead98 | April 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I think the tea parties just demonstrate the ongoing alienation and hardening of the far-right. I tend to think of it not as a rebirth, but as a sort of sclerosis. I don't think they portend any major shift in the polls.

Posted by: nodebris | April 16, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Lemmings lack the capacity to learn from their mistakes.
Get over it: He is Black and President!!!

Posted by: yamamah | April 16, 2009 1:38 PM
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What does the race have to do with anything?
Are you saying he is a revenge for the years of slavery?
This is not and never was about black or white, republican or democrat. Get a life!

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The only American citizens that can recapture the spirit of the Boston tea party with any legitimacy are DC residents. We are taxed without representation and a have a legitimate grievance that we are being denied the rights that the founders of this country fought for.

Those who attended the tea bagging parties are just sore losers, racists, paranoid schizophrenics, and the plain old crazy.

Posted by: PBDC | April 16, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Tea Party Absurd!
I have to wonder about the folks across this nation protesting against taxes with the recent tea parties.
My taxes have gone down since President Obama has taken office.

Where were you folks for the last eight years while we were spending billions and billions on the war and spending this country into the present financial situation? Why weren’t you protesting taxes under the Republican President and Congress that put us in this situation?

Wake up folks…you are paying less tax today than you were this time last year. Tea Party? Really? How absurd!

Posted by: johnncookeville | April 16, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

It is telling that the tea-baggers were almost 99 percent white and 100 percent ignorant. These phony events were ginned up by Fox news pointy heads and right-wing lobbyists like Dick Armey. The genuine grass-roots people of America want the Obama stimulus package to work, providing needed flows of cash and jobs back into our communities. We don't mind paying taxes as long as we can see actual results in the form of jobs, public services, and eventually a single-payer national health care system.

The tea bag parties didn't succeed because the GOP is clueless and disdainful of the real concerns of ordinary Americans.

Teabaggers indeed.

Posted by: dee5 | April 16, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love fascist propagandists posing as respectable journalist and ridiculing American citizens protesting higher taxes, calling them names like a bunch of 8th grade punks. Wow, what geniuses we have on the left. Following their fascist procedures manual, rules for radicals, like good little drones...just like our "dear leader" in the White House.

Posted by: kr1839 | April 16, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Straightline "The millions that turned out across America represent just the tip of the iceberg."

You mean the thousands.

Posted by: JenDray | April 16, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

No, they did not succeed. For one thing, what I've noticed is that the ones who are always shouting against taxes in general are the same ones, who when it comes time for them to give tax cuts, give those cuts to the rich CEOs, not the ordinary people.

Besides, while I think any citizen has the right to complain about particular taxes which seem unfair, I also think paying my taxes is a way of fulfilling my responsibility to this nation. I love this nation, and I don't begrudge the taxes I pay it, nor do I hunt for the Cayman Island and other places to avoid them.

And finally, the Boston tea party involved half the population of Boston. This deal involved less than one percent of our population. It was a small protest blown out of proportion by 24-hour-a-day media and right leaning networks.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | April 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

LMAO...maybe here in liberal lala land AKA WAPO maybe it didn't succeed but reality??....The millions that turned out across America represent just the tip of the iceberg. Wait until a "Tea Party" happens on a non work day...Like the 4th of July? Then come back with your angry and immoral comments.

I smell fear...

Posted by: Straightline | April 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

amd120 - I am not at all surprised nor amazed how ignorant people are. Especially the people worshiping the cult. It is hard to believe that many things that should be so obvious and clear, become so distorted and warped.This is called brainwashing and this is how the socialism was hoping to survive.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

When the first TABOR groups started public rallies in Maine, they were treated with the same level of distain by the establishment media and their syncophants in the non-profit world that feeds off of tax revenue.

In time, after numerous public spending scandals---20 million dollar bad investment on junk assets; huge computer systems that still don't work right; lavish spending on perks for insiders while owing small hospitals hundreds of millions in dollars, etc.; these taxpayer 'revolts' grew into a movement with 'eyes & ears' into every dark corner of government.

Now we can see misspending, mis allocation of our tax monies and we're mad as hell and DOING something about it.

If Maine can consolidate this massive discontent into a political movement, so can the nation!

Posted by: poppadata | April 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

John 1263

While I do not believe TEXAS will ever leave the Union again, you might want to rethink that about wanting TEXSAS to become it's own republic again. Last year, of all the NEW jobs that were created in the United States of America .... 70% of them were in TEXAS. That is because TEXAS is the last state in the Union that has a low corprate tax, so that a business can actuallly make a profit . We have no state income tax so the worker actually can keep more of the money they earn and our sales tax in fairly low and so are our property taxes. We have very few toll roads, but that is changing because of the people who are coming down from the north east. So you see, TEXAS is where you are loosing most of your jobs to, and not China.
No bragg, your state could be doing the same thing except for all the liberal taxes that are strangling the life out of it.

Posted by: markandbeth | April 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The Portland, Oregon event attracted a couple thousand people. It had corporate sponsors and speakers all had what I'd call "backstage passes." Clearly, it wasn't a grassroots initiative -- but a lot more people responded to the right-wing talk shows' call to action than I expected in such a liberal city.

I carried a sign that said "DON'T WORRY: The market will take care of everything." For whatever reason, people there didn't get the sarcasm, so I wrote "FIRE DEPTS. EQUAL SOCIALISM" on the back. A camera crew interviewed me about the sign, and I said that I believed in big corporations, not big government. if people wanted things like fire departments, schools and police forces, the market can provide them. The reporter asked the guy standing next to me if he agreed, and he said something like, "Yeah, for the most part."

It was eye-opening just how far to the right these tea baggers are.

Posted by: orftc | April 16, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives can be somewhat proud that as many people turned out as they did, but they shouldn't jump for joy to quickly. Just remember: where it was sunny and warm, a lot of folks showed up, but crowds on the east coast were thinned by rain and cold. The President they came to criticize got literally millions of people to wait to see him. Some waited in line for hours, some stood in pouring rain and lightning, some camped out overnight in 10 degree temperatures. It will be a far-off sunny day before conservatives turn up a million strong anywhere.

Posted by: MikeinMD | April 16, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The question is did anyone change their minds because of the tea parties. I can only say I doubt it. Gallup polling indicates that fewer people think taxes are a problem than at any time for decades. The GOP tried starve the beast and it does not seem to be working. They thought if they created a huge deficit that the government would be crippled and not able to perform. What they don't realize is that people want the government to be effective and are willing to pay a reasonable price for that to happen. Despite a withering attack by conservative pundits and talks show hosts, Obama's approval ratings are hanging around 60 percent. Polling also indicates that people prefer Obama and the Democrats in congress to Republicans in congress. I believe in a two party system but will never vote for a Republican until they tone down their rhetoric and start doing what is right for the country instead of being fixated on their ideology.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | April 16, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The question is did anyone change their minds because of the tea parties. I can only say I doubt it. Gallup polling indicates that fewer people think taxes are a problem than at any time for decades. The GOP tried starve the beast and it does not seem to be working. They thought if they created a huge deficit that the government would be crippled and not able to perform. What they don't realize is that people want the government to be effective and are willing to pay a reasonable price for that to happen. Despite a withering attack by conservative pundits and talks show hosts, Obama's approval ratings are hanging around 60 percent. Polling also indicates that people prefer Obama and the Democrats in congress to Republicans in congress. I believe in a two party system but will never vote for a Republican until they tone down their rhetoric and start doing what is right for the country instead of being fixated on their ideology.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | April 16, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party, by way of the Tea Party protests has officially declared that they are nothing more than a regional political party, catering only to those who live in the states of Idiocy and Denial.

Posted by: hiberniantears | April 16, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

n the end, it was an angst-filled collection of right-wingers, venting at having been out of power for, what, three months? Breaking news for Republicans: sit tight, because you're going to be in the minority for a while.

Davestickyfingers....
It was all people that were American, that is what you don't get. Unless the Dems just stand for tax and spend, like you?
There were plenty of Dems there.
Are you really all for spending money we don't have and will never never be able to pay back, and leave on the backs of young people to clean up? I want to know the truth, because it would seem you are.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Lemmings lack the capacity to learn from their mistakes.
Get over it: He is Black and President!!!

Posted by: yamamah | April 16, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

First off, Faux News buries the competition because it is the only loony channel in town.
Looking at loony verses semi news the ratings combined are just about equal. There is only about 1.5 percent of the population that even views Fauxs news at any given time.

Did this foray into the abyss succeed? Yes, it succeeded in showing just how desperate Faux is to keep it ratings going and how unformed the crowd that participated is in the understanding of the world today. It also showed how the hate filled rantings of the right have taken a gullible group of people and turned them against their country.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | April 16, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if some of that anger on display is racially motivated. The participants were overwhelmingly white. No, Alan Keyes doesn't count--I'm not saying he's not black, I think that's the lamest of insults--he doesn't counts as a legitmate spokesman of any minority point of view, except maybe the mentally ill. I thought it was telling that I saw (now disputed) news reports that Michael Steele was "uninvited" to one of these things in Chicago. I live in the South, and I saw a lot of hysteria at election time that was all about race.

Posted by: belladonna123 | April 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Aside from the moderate to low turnout, the real problem was that the tea party movement didn't have a unique, single grassroots spokesperson. If they did, that person could be doing the round of the morning shows this morning and explaining how he or she came to care so much about well, whatever the heck the tea parties were about, what the next steps are, and so on. Without such a face, it's like promoting a book without having an author or promoting a record without having a singer (or a movie without a movie star).

Of course, if they had a leader, the tea parties would then be vulnerable to (appropriate) investigative reporting, so we could all see whether that person was Tom Delay's former legislative assistant, say, or a McCain volunteer still guarding the flame, or a Palin 2012 enthusiast, or whoever they might be. So there's a downside to having a "face" as well--the person comes to personify the whole movement, and their tactless statements or minor foibles get blown out of proportion.

Even worse than the so-so turnout and not having a "face" on the movement, the tea parties that occurred did not seem to have a singular cause, objection, or slogan. The nationwide event wasn't about a particular upcoming vote, a particular domestic or foreign policy, or anything concrete. There were various offshoots of the "I don't like to pay my taxes" idea, but they went off in many different directions. (By contrast, think of the March on Washington and the Civil Rights Act, or the "pro-life" demonstrators and the Roe v. Wade decision. Very clear and directed.)

So, rather than a movement with a leader and a cause, I felt like I was seeing undirected, though heart-felt, venting by people who are totally stressed by the economic crash of last fall (as all of us are) and on top of that are still really mad that they lost the election. That's why there was so much venom against Obama, because he's the one who did win. And that's also why it came across as a cacophony of uncoordinated objections to just about everything he's doing. It was the grassroots version of the "Party of No" legislative strategy.

Posted by: fairfaxvoter | April 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I think the Fox News Tea Parties succeeded...in making GOP protesters look like desperate morons!

Posted by: free-donny | April 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

This was more about jeering Obama than it was about taxes. Some of the taunts were silly, others outright disgusting (i.e. comparisons between Hitler and Obama, along with one soul claiming he was "a Jew in Obama's ovens).

The thing I find amusing was that most of these people are not what I consider "suffering servants". None of these people are going to have their taxes raised unless they made more than six figures. None of these people complained when President Bush took a budget surplus crested during the Clinton Administration and tripled the deficit. None of them complained when Bush 41 raised taxes after saying specifically in 1988, "Read my lips; no new taxes."

If these people want to be taken seriously, sharpen the protest. Instead of a free-for-all bashing of Obama, focus simply on the stimulus package. Then go picket outside the organizations that caused this mess (why was there no teabagging outside AIG headquarters? outside GM in Detroit?). State specifically what you want (lower taxes, no health care, whatever). Most of us may not agree with you, but I'll respect your views more than your noise.

Posted by: ecglotfelty | April 16, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Borrow and spend republicans, tax and spend democrats ... what an ugly mess we're in now because of these ideologies.

Was this a rebirth of conservative politics, or it's last gasp?

I wish these people and others had been there during the Bush years, making the same complaints.

Now the only people screaming about the crap government we have are the people responsible for the crap government we had. Their opinion is useless partisanship, even if it circumstantially may be one with which I can agree.

Posted by: katavo | April 16, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The City of Memphis just reported that estimated costs to clean up the mess from the Tea Party in their fine city will come to $850,000 of tax payer money.

Posted by: hiberniantears | April 16, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

It figures that the Fix's racist commentor who signs him/herself 'broadwayjoe' would inject his racist rantings to slime conservatives with the KKK and other racist labels, when he/she is the actual racist. Anyone that is a rabit Barack Obama supporter, as broadwayjoe obviously is, is a racist because they are supporting a man who was a 20 year member and supporter of a racist hate-group, Trinity UFC Church, that was teaching and promoting racial hatred against white people. No one becomes a member and supporter of a hate-group like that without agreeing with the message that was being taught, no one!!! I bet if John McCain or Sarah Palin had been members and supporters of a white racist church and had attended their meetings every week for 20 years, listening to a racist anti-BLACK sermon hallejuhaing and high-fiving with other members in agreement with the sermons racist message, broadwayjoe and other like-minded Obama supporters would have crucified them. Broadwayjoe is the real racist on this blog!

Posted by: armpeg | April 16, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

As I read some of the comments, I am amazed at how ignorant people are not just about the Republican party but also about the Constitution of this country, which is what those of us who went out to protest were about. I stood in the rain yesterday, not because I am some right wing nut who wants to starve children, rape the earth, and throw grandma in the street, but rather because I see a federal goverment that is out of control, not just with taxes but also with regulation. And one has to love that the one thing that we should be spending money on--after all one of the roles of the federal government is to provide for the common defense--is the one thing that the Obama administration is looking to cut--defense. FYI for those of you who are clueless about Republicans, we are some of the most charitable people going. We believe that individuals make a difference, not the government and finally we are about responsible stewardship of our environment--after all some of us have children and we want clean water for them to drink and air for them to breathe-we just aren't into left-wing anti-human agendas. On a final note, literally tens of thousands of people got out yesterday to speak their peace, somehow I think that should have warranted front page coverage on the Post, but I guess that you all have more important things to make the front page, like Obama walking his dog. Glad to know where your priorities are!

Posted by: amd120 | April 16, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

A more important question here would not be "Did the tea parties succeed?" but rather, "How can the Obama administration address the anger and fears that these groups of people are demonstrating?" Just ignoring Fox News and the other conservative noise machines is not an option, which is basically what the Bush administration did with the left, and which will only cause the fear-mongering to get further and further out of hand.

I believe that President Obama must reach out to all of these critics, and go out of his way to address their fears and anger. First of all, this insanity about him not being a U.S. citizen - there must be a way to present his credentials for all to examine. There will still be those who don't believe him, but at least he must make an attempt to prove himself to them, so that some less driven people might change their minds about him.

Then there is the idea that he is enacting a left-wing coup, trying to create big government just for the sake of it, that he doesn't care about the deficite, and is just stealing the national wealth for some nefarious socialist purpose. Despite the fact that he has repeatedly stated that he will work to reduce the deficite, that he wants government to work more efficiently, that the level of spending that he is talking about are due to the economic crisis, not something that he wants to do (yes, Virginia, there is an economic crisis), and that the eye-popping numbers are due in part to the fact that he has included military spending that the Bush administration hid from the public - despite all this, his message isn't getting past the blowhards with their bull horns. He needs take action like he did with the preacher issue during the elections, where he states is case, or has his amazing team of publicity people out there doing so, constantly, determinedly, so that the hatred and mistrust of him does not get any further agitated.

Let's hope that the tea parties were successful in getting the attention of the administration, and making them see how important it is for them to engage with these people directly, again, unlike what the Bush administration did with anyone who did not agree with his agenda, just to show what a grown-up government does when the kids get cranky.

Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand | April 16, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the pictures of these events it looks like it is a handful of angry old white folks.

John123 maybe you are just seeing the pictures that the media against conservatives want you to see. I was at one and it was full of young people. Of course you didn't attend any did you?
Then you would have seen for yourself.
I take it you are an old white person yourself, so you naturally wouldn't attend these events with lots of young people.
Being old, you find younger people tiring and frankly they wear you out?
Old men, Old ideas, NEW TAXES.
Change of guard but same old same old.
You old people, leftover hippies and draft dodgers, need to get out of our way.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Those people in the photo look like they have massive bugs up their asses.

Posted by: johng1 | April 16, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

johng1, that was so massively intelligent. Glad to see you doing your patriotic part in all this. What side of the fence are you sitting on. Oh, your spread eagle right on the fence. Hope it feels good.

Posted by: hanocul6 | April 16, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Some of you need to realize and accept, that overwhelming majority of people that attended these tea parties were not the Hannitys Limbaughs and Becks, but ordinary working people, republicans, democrats and independents, including some of Obama supporters as well, who are genuinely concerned about this administration's unprecedented and wasteful spending of BORROWED money. If anyone believes that this was just a FOX News and GOP staged anti Obama rally, as portrayed by our wonderful bias media, you are badly misguided and misinformed.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

This had all the elements of a poorly-run left-wing protest -- demonstrating without a clearly-defined theme (is it deficits? is it taxes?) and letting all kinds of random weirdos show up and promote fringe agendas (seceding from the Union, hating black people, etc.) which end up carrying most of the publicity.

In the end, it was an angst-filled collection of right-wingers, venting at having been out of power for, what, three months? Breaking news for Republicans: sit tight, because you're going to be in the minority for a while.

Posted by: davestickler | April 16, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

What a non-event that was! The turnout may have been much better had Fox cheerleaders been honest (a stretch, I admit) and just billed it as a 'no billionaire left behind' rally, which it was, considering the origins of the supporting cast of lobbying groups and ultra-rich conservatives (see Koch).

The depth of conservative ignorance never fails to amaze me. It's almost like some weird, greed-based religion, innit? Scientology's got nothing on these guys.

Posted by: thamlett | April 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I was gonna explain what the original tea party was all about, but John did such a good job. I'll just re-post his blog. But it is disturbing about the number of out right racist who demonstrated without wearing hoods to hide identity.

... The cry of "no taxation without representation" was not from the Boston Tea party. It was from the Stamp act in 1765. The tea party was an economic protest agains the Tea Act which granted a monopoly to the East India Company. The act LOWERED taxes. But is also cut out well to do families who made their living off of being tea merchants.

The participants dressed as Indians, not as colonial shopkeepers. And they didn't ask for a pernmit, but did alert folks that they were coming, and payed for the damage to the ship. unlike the fox crowd who left a big mess for government workers to clean up at taxpayers expense. Talk about a waste of government money.

The British reacted to the Tea Party by passing the Intolerable Acts (Coercive Acts) none of which had anything to do with taxation. They did have to do with representation, due process, and religious freedom. Those were the sparks for the arming of the colonial militias.

Posted by: John1263 | April 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: madstamina | April 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

CNN really sank to a new low by sending political activists instead of reporters. One can easily assume they don't know the difference.

and CNN is still trying to figure out why FOX News bury's them in the ratings.

Chevy

Posted by: MrPotatoHead98 | April 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

betsy3, you sounds like a grandmother who doesn't understand the internets. Stop pretending to be one of the enraged members of this "youth movement".

This week's Economist has an article highlight that people under 30 went for Obama by orders of magnitude greater than older generations. The youth movement happened back in November. Add to this the fact that 1 in 10 Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim and I bet you can field 250,000 angry-but-ignorant dopes to show up to meetings spread across the country. 250,000 is nothing. 250,000 people show up to tailgate at the average University of Michigan football game.

Posted by: hiberniantears | April 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I SEE STUPID PEOPLE WASTING TEA.

THEY ARE TOO DUMB TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE STUPID.

LOL- wasting tea? This was a PR stunt by Fox "News" and GOP front groups.

Where were these loons when Bush lied us into a $1 trillion war in Iraq? Where were they when Bush ran up a $1 trillion deficit? Where were they when he refused to regulate the markets, causing the Wall Street credit and mortgage market meltdowns?

Today's conservatives: all they have to offer is lies and fear.

Why can't they be honest enough to admit that President Obama just gave 90 Percent of Americans a tax cut?

Posted by: losthorizon10 | April 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

There were not tens of thouseands, the police reported hundreds of thousands across the nation. I and my family went to the T.E.A PARTY in Rockwall Texas. No one asked for money. No one asked us to sign anything. The first speaker did ask that everyone stay and pick up any mess that was made so that we leave the place cleaner than we found it. There were just over a thousand people at the city hall in Rockwall. It was a peacfull asembly of people who were opposed to the socialization of America. There were people of all races there. Old and young, rich and poor, vets and those who had never served.

There was no hate speach. It was nice, patriotic, American. There was also only one reporter.

Posted by: markandbeth | April 16, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I've been watching the gains made by the GOP in the Rasmussen Polls. Big gains in positive marks in how the public views the GOP government ethics and corruption issues.

Also, Americans trust the GOP more on National Security and tax issues ... including social security. Investors trust the GOP more on the national economy.

The trend is going up for the GOP party and conservative issues altogether. While these issues are not reported in what passes as "news reporting" today, due to party affiliation of our news agency ... nonetheless, they are gaining traction with the public.

I think the displeasure among all Americans for the tax burden being placed on this generation, the next generation, and the one after that is totally unacceptable and we'll probably see more protests in the coming months as the impact of what is being done starts eating away at paychecks and savings.

Posted by: playfair109 | April 16, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Parties were awesome! Lots of coverage in NOLA and elsewhere throughout.

What the peddle-bye media fails to realise is yesterday was not about political party. That CNN reporter made a total fool of herself and CNN. Thank goodness for morons like them.

The Washington politicians should be VERY afraid for their jobs.

Posted by: FairTaxEd | April 16, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

We would never ask you anything, Chris. Your answers always been with "Obama."

Posted by: hazwalnut | April 16, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

John1263, I couldn't agree more with your 1:21 PM post about TX! I say we kick them out before they have a chance to secede.

Posted by: johng1 | April 16, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the pictures of these events it looks like it is a handful of angry old white folks. They look very similar to the nut case crowds at palin rallies. Same inane banners shouting loudly about how uninformed they are. Brilliant peice of political theater that succeeded in giving the SNL writers a free ride this week. Think of all the fun they can have with glen, sean, and rush tea bagging with their angry old white illiterate listeners.

Posted by: John1263 | April 16, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the pictures of these events it looks like it is a handful of angry old white folks. They look very similar to the nut case crowds at palin rallies. Same inane banners shouting loudly about how uninformed they are. Brilliant peice of political theater that succeeded in giving the SNL writers a free ride this week. Think of all the fun they can have with glen, sean, and rush tea bagging with their angry old white illiterate listeners.

Posted by: John1263 | April 16, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

What was amazing to me about the Houston rally was the number of people who have JUST had their taxes cut complaining about higher taxes...a clearer disconnect from reality cannot be described.

As to the poster that is paying higher state taxes - remember, your state is not the federal government, and has had a lot of federal funding cut in the last 25 years, due to our mania for cutting taxes. As a result, in order to support your state's universities and other state run programs, they've got to get the money from somewhere.

Let's get real - we live in a big country, with lots of big problems - we need to pay to fix our roads, educate our children and insure that our populace is healthy. Where on God's green earth do you think that money is going to come from, if not taxes? Oh yes, that's right - it's the magic invisible hand of Adam Smith - How's that worked out for you over the last decade?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

All this did is give the hate mongers at Fox something to talk about for a few days. The racist signs I saw were not a shock.

Jon Stewart said it best, how smart is it in this economy to waste all that money on tea that will never be drunk.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | April 16, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, and notwithstanding the close camera angles of Fake's Noise, is there any news here?

Posted by: lartfromabove | April 16, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I think the tea parties further alienated the Republican Party.
1. The crowd looked like old hippies who enjoyed protesting to revisit protests from the Vietnam War.
2. People riding on pigs with stupid costumes was "funny" and frankly they looked "stupid"
3. There were too many messages. Lower taxes and increase military spending. Now, how do you do that?
5. No socialism, facism, communism, muslim etc. (Didn't work during the election, so give it up)
They are too out of touch with the U.S.A. in 2009. There are 300 million people in America, 130 million voted, 58 million voted Republican. And the best they could do was 250,000 (I believe that number is inflated by organizers). Obama could pull that many people in the same city,
Most people know the recession and spending started with Bush. Where were they then? That also works against them!

Posted by: yvonneweston | April 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"we want to hear your opinion on whether the tea parties were a sign of the rebirth of the conservative movement or the latest symbol of the lack of true energy and excitement on the right. Or, is it somewhere in between?"

It is neither a rebirth or a lack of energy and excitement. It is more like the final death throughs of a dying breed.

Posted by: Frazil | April 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The idea for the tea parties in California were spread by young people here on facebook and myspace. Most young people don't watch TV news at all. We have our own little world on the internet. If you old people had paid attention and noticed the outpouring of young people against prop 8 in California, you might learn something about how we are organizing our own protests and spread of information.
Fox News? Never watch it. So I do not know where the posters get the idea this was organized by Fox news.

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Silly conservatives...

I mean, why do they care so much about printing trillions of dollars, when all it is going to do is bring hyper-inflation and raise taxes beyond imagination. What do I care, I don't pay taxes now anyway.

Send me my check and go away!

P.S. get back to work to pay for my free healthcare!

Posted by: DreamWeaver1 | April 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Apparently teabaggers in Texas want to secede. I would encourage all of them in this enterprise once they finish tea bagging each other. When Texas secedes the United States can then treat it as a third world nation, send them aid to educate their children, and help teach them about Democracy, civilation, and American history. With Texas out of the Union until they can be brought close enough to the 21st century for readmission to the Union there will be no more republicon presidents for generations to come. Sounds like a win for everyone involved.

Posted by: John1263 | April 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Thoughtful comment:

Did the taxnaysayers drive to the event on socialized roads, in cars built according to socialized safety codes or did they take socialized public transportation?

Who paid the SEAL's to rescue the captian held by pirates? Taxpayers.

Who will protect our border from "the illegals"? The border patrol, funded by taxpayers.

Where did the taxnaysayers go to school? Taxpayer funded elementary and secondary educated institutions!

Where will these taxnaysayers be when they turn 62? On socialized security.

Who bailed out the economy after 20 years of deregulating capital markets? Treasury employees paid for with taxpayer dollars.

Did they do anything? No, they just showed how inconsistent their political philosophy is. We voted their representatives out of office because of their failed philosophy and bad ideas.

This was just a sporting event for sore losers.

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | April 16, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"Grandpa, what was a Republican?"

"Well, these were greedy people who thought they could control money until a man named Ronald Reagan and another called Bernard Madoff bankrupted the country."

Posted by: bs2004 | April 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Although I believe that because Curt Douglas is is a good guy, he probably is in town with his son and simply got lost and end up with those buffoons.

Posted by: johng1 | April 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

What I find most frightening about the last few days is how acceptable it has become to discuss secession. On the one hand, we might be inclined to dismiss these words as juvenile "sour grapes" - somewhat akin to saying, "if I can't decide what game we're playing, I'm taking my toys (tax dollars) and going home." On the other hand, it also seems possible that some would-be secessionists have truly allowed their hatred to steer them towards treasonous ideas; given that the fate of conservative politics has been sealed on a national level by shifting demographics, those for whom that movement's goals are non-negotiable may be laying the rhetorical groundwork for illegal interference with the functioning of government on par with previous attempts at "massive resistance".

Posted by: progressivePragmatic | April 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I've long wanted to know who the patriotic, hardworking, citizens and other residents of this great country, the USA, were. The tax evaders and cheaters surely showed up all over this nation to help identify who were not. Please, bear with me now.

Why, in God's name would one who loves this country, is being nurtured by this country, is made relatively safe by the sacrifices of our brave men and women in uniform of this country from inside and outside threats of folk who hate America, is being granted relief from coughing up a full 100% of earnings, (yes, taxes), would show up in public to be seen as less than American?

My advice to all those folk, join the rest of your fellow Americans to get this nation back to fluidty.

Anyway, thanks for upping the stock value of my favorite beverage, aahhh, "tea". Can you do this more often, please?

Posted by: semru01 | April 16, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Good job Dana!
You really sucked a lot of folks into this one - this was the best you have done in arousing interest since I have been reading your columns.

People your anger is justified - unfortunately you're targeting the wrong guy just like people targeted Carter after LBJ's economic screwups.

Yes we should all be angry at President Bush - however, he's not in office anymore - so what can you do? Be angry at the guy who had nothing to do with the mess and is trying his best to serve his country intelligently and efficiently?

Yeah, that's right - call him every name in the book - he won the job so he deserves our anger and our ridicule - no long vacations golfing for this guy.

Posted by: agapn9 | April 16, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Two Points.

Why would any sane person want Govt. to dictate what car they're going to drive, what light bulbs they're going to use, how much money one is allowed it earn?

2nd point. Look at the financial damage the Obama admin. is doing to future generations.

Bob Brinker (money talk) who never talks politics or tips his hand one way or the other stated Sunday there is going to be severe consequences to this run-away spending our government is embracing.

Lets be honest, who ever heard of a Government taxing and spending it's way out of a recession? I don't believe 9 out of 10 democrats buy that argument.

Recession will ease once the PRIVATE sector starts creating manufacturing jobs.

Government would be wise to take a page from Irelands (Fastest growing economy) book and reduce corporate tax from a ridiculous 40% to 10%. How can business expand when you're stealing almost 1/2 their profits?

America showed its anger yesterday and I guarantee certain DEMS facing election next year will vote against Obama.

Chevy

Posted by: MrPotatoHead98 | April 16, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

archeoman -- there are so many nuts and simple people who post here it's hard to say. One of the things I learned reading about these events and the representation argument, it's about some factions who feel that Obama got elected because people who don't pay [federal] taxes -- the poorest people-- voted for him. These nutjobs want to go back to the colonial system, where only property owners [and presumably, whites] were allowed to vote.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Whether we find it pathetic or patriotic, these "teabaggers" invoked their right to freedom of speech and free assembly, which is what it's all about. However, I find it extremely sad that many of the "celebrities"--FOX News people, politicians, etc... were the very same people that whipped some of the country into a loathing, hating, death threatening frenzy over Dixie Chick Natalie Maine's comment that she was ashamed that President Bush came from her home state. Compare this to the super imposing of Pres. Obama on a picture of Hitler, and Nazi symbols. Coming from rallies that showed no coloured people in the crowds, it's obvious that the Conservative Movement hasn't gotten around to figuring out how to reach out to minorities, and until they do, rightly or wrongly, they will carry a mantle of racism, and won't expand beyond their 20-30% base. Those are my reasons for saying that the rallies won't expand it's base.

Posted by: katem1 | April 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The cry of "no taxation without representation" was not from the Boston Tea party. It was from the Stamp act in 1765. The tea party was an economic protest agains the Tea Act which granted a monopoly to the East India Company. The act LOWERED taxes. But is also cut out well to do families who made their living off of being tea merchants.

The participants dressed as Indians, not as colonial shopkeepers. And they didn't ask for a pernmit, but did alert folks that they were coming, and payed for the damage to the ship. unlike the fox crowd who left a big mess for government workers to clean up at taxpayers expense. Talk about a waste of government money.

The British reacted to the Tea Party by passing the Intolerable Acts (Coercive Acts) none of which had anything to do with taxation. They did have to do with representation, due process, and religious freedom. Those were the sparks for the arming of the colonial militias.

Posted by: John1263 | April 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

It was a success! Thousands of voices were heard! More of these are to come! I was at the DC Rally till about 2:00. A crowd of folks that were mad at Congress for Out of Control Spending, Bailing out, Taxing and passing on to our kids our responsibility! Bush and Congress are to blame! Obama is just the new guy on the block and we will have to see how he responds. I say, give him a chance. As for those that say it was racist, you are wrong, at least at the DC protest - I didn't hear one word spoken against our beautiful brothers and sisters of color. However, I will note that the group was mostly white. I saw / heard several people of color speak at the microphones, and one that walked by and read my sign and gave me the thumbs up. Mine sign said STOP: the bailouts, the spending, the taxing.

It is sad that folks will sink to the level of calling something that wasn't racist as if it was just to make sure they get their way.

As for whether the Republicans have a second wind, I doubt it. I think this is more of a grass roots among those mad at both parties.

Posted by: Wakeup0s | April 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The best coverage I heard on this was that the tea party hit an obstacle because they didn't have a permit to dump all the tea at the White House. Then someone through a box of tea on the White House lawn. The event ended with a robot dog sniffing the box. Classic! Perfect summary of the GOP organization efforts. Mirrors their failures for 8 years that got us in to this mess. Now they are indignant about gov spending when their heroes spent like drunken sailors to create the biggest deficit in history. The Dems have to spend to get us out of economic disaster. Why weren't they dumping tea on W's lawn when he was in office? F'n hypocrits!

Posted by: dorklord | April 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article at MN Post today, where Steve Perry takes note of a couple GOP hopefuls that are flirting with the secessionist wing of the far-right fringe: Governors Rick Perry (TX) & Sarah Palin (AK).

http://www.minnpost.com/steveperry/2009/04/16/8103/teabagging_in_our_time_after_obama_the_deluge

His point is not that they necessarily support or promote the idea of secession, but rather that they are willing to use such people to promote their own political careers. He may be onto something - Rep Michele Bachmann (MN-6) has also been amping up the rhetoric about 'revolution' - and has strong fundraising numbers to show for it.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

guess I don't understand the republicans , how can they protest something their people got us into & not even look like they know why. Bush with his reckless spending & then paulson with the bailout left for Obama & they want us to believe it is the democrats fault,Shame on the republicans!

Posted by: jrs6776 | April 16, 2009 1:07 PM |
------------------------------------------------ Bush did not get us here. He left $2.3 trillion deficit that Obama is going to nearly quadruple. Shame on this wasteful spending on both sides though!

Posted by: jmk55 | April 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's a point: The GOP opposes, with hateful zeal, gay marriage. However, they apparently have no embarrassment when it comes to teabagging in public all across the country. They are the worst possible combination of ignorance, hatred, and self-awareness that I have ever seen.

Posted by: hiberniantears | April 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

If that was a protest, than I am Sean Hannity. That was more like an angry white people convention.

Posted by: Sincear202 | April 16, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The sneering guy standing next to Curt Douglas needs to find a blacker black hair die.

Posted by: johng1 | April 16, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

For the conservative movement, the GOP, Fox News and the rich and powerful--this teabagging event was truly a success--a testiment to the powers of manipulation. For the rest of the country--it demonstrates that there is an igornant underclass of right wing, racist morons who will march to the tune of anything but the truth.

Posted by: 0nl00k3r | April 16, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

drindl:
Don't tell me you thought I was serious... The representation "argument" of the teabaggers was the most idiotic in a litany of simplistic (non-)arguments and name-calling. Right-wing republicans are showing their true colours by treating their defeat at the polls as disenfranchisement. Laughable, if it weren't so scary to see how many believe this.

Posted by: archaeoman | April 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, this is just more of the same : republican/conservative ignorance and hypocrisy!
The truth is that almost every republican state is a welfare state, taking more back from the federal government, than they contribute in taxes!
Where do these 'conservative' welfare states get their welfare - from the backs of California tax payers. California's net contribution to the federal government is almost 30% more than the next net contributor - Texas.

I'd like to know when Louisiana, Alaska, Tennessee, Mississippi and the other welfare states are going to start paying their fair share in supporting this country?

Failin Palin's welfare state of Alaska has been using their 'welfare' to sock away a budget surplus - It would seem that Alaska is just plain cheap and greedy!

Posted by: stodayxx | April 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I think the point of view of the tea partiers is so marginal that it’s practically irrelevant.

And the tea bag concept, itself, is so awkwardly nerdy, it just makes you shake your head.

Posted by: Wallace5 | April 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Success by whose standards? It was the same old crowd with the same old message. They were very evident at Palin rallies during the campaign.
Where were these people when GWB got us into an unnecessary war and then refused to pay for it? Instead he cut taxes for the rich and told us all to go shopping. Let's get real here. The bill has come due and now we must all pay for the mistakes of the Bush crowd. In the past his father and friends have been willing to cover for his mistakes and misadventures. Now we get to do it. And I do not feel one bit privileged to be in this position.

Posted by: chlind | April 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

These tea parties are just another example of how the republican party continues to marginalize itself through spewing hate-filled partisan rhetoric, rather than coming to the table with new ideas on how to move the country forward. This has more to do with self-interest than having a positive effect on the political process. Hopefully most people will realize what a hoax this is in the marketplace of ideas.

Posted by: cnwash | April 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

They worked in getting SNL this weekends comedy material. In showing the sane how really whacked out the anti-America crowd is. Gave the right wingers a good opportunity to let off steam by tea bagging in public. In proving that you really can get folks to protest against something that is fictional.

Politically?> What a tempest in a teapot. What a joke. What a bunch of brainless rubes.

Posted by: John1263 | April 16, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Those people in the photo look like they have massive bugs up their asses.

Posted by: johng1 | April 16, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I invite all to read 'Losers' by Michael Lewis. The story of the 1996 Clinton/Dole presidential race told from the republican campaign trail.

While each side has their 'fringe' groups, the resemblance between the 1996 fringe republicans and these tea party members is strong. Not a good sign for 2010/2012 if you are a republican.

Posted by: burgessdd1 | April 16, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I invite all to read 'Losers' by Michael Lewis. The story of the 1996 Clinton/Dole presidential race told from the republican campaign trail.

While each side has their 'fringe' groups, the resemblance between the 1996 fringe republicans and these tea party members is strong. Not a good sign for 2010/2012 if you are a republican.

Posted by: burgessdd1 | April 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

We know this is an issue that arouses the passions of partisans on both sides. Let's try to keep the discussion from descending into a simple game of name-calling (yes, we are aware of the double meaning of "teabagging").

Too bad that is what you have only get from the posters so far. Name calling.
I may be the exception.
I thought the tea parties were a great idea. Don't really care who is behind them. It was an outlet for me and my generatio to express our anger at the powers that be, Dem and Repub, who can't seem to get it right.
So Obama is going to give people making under $250k a break. I haven't seen it yet. Instead I have seen my STATE increase taxes across the board that affect everyday people, not millionaires only. So any miniscule tax break from the Feds, if I am lucky to have a job, will be offset and mean nothing due to the increases my state has enacted. My state is also greatly reducing services too.
And I am also angry at the administration for spending money that we don't have and that all the rich people in the world couldn't pay off. That is a fact I have read, heard, and believe repeated over and over by many that are honest. And it simple to do the math. Inflation will be next when all this money hits the streets. I have a rudimentary understanding of econ 101, and this is just the start of a bigger collapse. When in a recession, don't raise taxes!!!
BTW the tea parties were dominated with younger peopler, 20s and 30s. Many where I live were only teenagers. Even teenagers can access the internet and get their information and don't need main stream media outlets. When they enter college, if they can borrow enough to pay for the steep increases in tuition, and then enter the ruined economy, or worse a communist country, they are going to take this country back. By revolution if need by. We are the ones that are going to bear the brunt of the mishaps for years, till we land in the poor farm at the end of the game of life!!!!

Posted by: betsy3 | April 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The tea bag protesters are just like everybody else: They're afraid of losing their jobs, afraid they won't be able to find new jobs, angry that Wall Street fatcats are getting bailouts, and worried about their future.

However, being members of the Republican base, their reponse to all these things tends to follow the party line.

Their fear and frustration are understandable. If Mr. Obama's recover plan brings us a Clintonian Recovery, perhaps these people will see that their criticisms are misdirected. But it's clear they still have to be convinced that the current administration is going to help them.

Current polls state that 71% of citizens approve of what the president is trying to accomplish for the economy. The tea bag protestors appear to be the remaining 29%.

Posted by: jp1954 | April 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

SILLY CONSERVATIVES...

Trillion dollar deficits are good for you and your children.

Printing money is good for the value of your dollar.

Geez... what are you complaining about?

Oh, you mean taxes going up to pay for this? Who said we have to pay for it? I'm not going to pay for it, YOU ARE!

STUPID CONSERVATIVES, always wanting to pay for things....

GIVE IT UP ALREADY WITH THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY GARBAGE!

JUST SEND ME MY CHECK AND GO AWAY!

Posted by: DreamWeaver1 | April 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Chris: Wouldn't this analysis be more effective if you asked 12 GOP and Democratic party operatives to grade the events?

Posted by: hiberniantears | April 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

You know it's a bad day for the Republicans because they're all attacking the media.

They think that the only media outlet capable of fairly assessing these rallies is FOX News, the channel that organized them.

Posted by: JenDray | April 16, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I guess I don't understand the republicans , how can they protest something their people got us into & not even look like they know why. Bush with his reckless spending & then paulson with the bailout left for Obama & they want us to believe it is the democrats fault,Shame on the republicans!

Posted by: jrs6776 | April 16, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is losing no time in preparing for 2010 and 2012 by falling on old themes-- The Democrats are tax and spend extremists who hate America, are weak on defense etc. Despite the fact that 9/11 was preventable and happened on a Republican watch, America (right and left) refused to blame Bush in his first year as president and gave him a huge supportive boost.

Conversely, Obama has had no honeymoon with the Republicans who, on party line votes, have signaled they will not particpate in bipartisan government. Even though Obama had not yet taken office, Hannity and cronies have been merciless from the day after the elections wasting no time in highlighting any and every negative angle on Obama as they can muster.

Voter anger swept the 94 Republicans to power and there's a lot more to be angry about today than in 94. Most of it is not Obama's fault, but with electoral victories in single digit margins, it won't take much anger to persuade the muddling middle a few percentage points-- enough for the GOP pull off an upset or two.

If I were a Democrat (I'm NOT), I would start paying attention to this. Assuming there will be no bleedover from the far right to the middle on some of these issues will be costly for the Dems.

Posted by: johdi | April 16, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"The conservative Republican Tea Parties were all peaceably, mature, and violence free

LOL -- check out the violent rhetoric on the photos, folks. Look at the pictures of these events. It's all about hating the president of the United States.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Chris, do some real reporting.

How much does that huckster Grover Nordquist make for himself out of his little single-issue political ploys about taxes? He sets these ventures into motion, then sits back and cashes in on them. His "no new taxes" gimmickery is about as sincere as Hallmark's ads for Mother's Day.

Hey! Maybe old Grover can hook up with Hallmark and put out a line of cards catering to all of those U.S. citizens who think of themselves only as taxpayers and consumers, and who'd prefer to ignore the responsibilities of citizenship in favor of living life in the U.S.A. on the cheep.

Seriously, Chris. I guarantee you can show that old Grover is only in this for the money.

Posted by: jackson251 | April 16, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

But then again, Harold and Kumar said the Klan was slow.

Posted by: johng1 | April 16, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

In 1775, they didn't have representation. That was the problem - taxation without representation. We have representation. Remember the election last year? Or, if you prefer, "accountability moment." That is the big reason -- to coin a phrase -- that "people like us."

Rock the vote.

Posted by: pressF1 | April 16, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that someone has posted something like this, but yes, it certainly did succeed in making those morons look embarrassingly goofy.

Posted by: johng1 | April 16, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Did they succeed? Yes. Thanks to the teabagging parties, we now who comprises the tin hat crowd. Dangerously detached, anti-American lunatics.

Posted by: hiberniantears | April 16, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

t" the numbskulls that facilitated this disaster feel no pain"

those numbskills would be the republicans who deregulated the financial workd and created this mess. but you can't blame them, can you? because you supported them.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The one thing that was plain to see in the conservative Republican Tea Parties that happened, was how different they were from the Democrap Socialist Party ones when they had their protests during the President G.W.Bush years. The conservative Republican Tea Parties were all peaceably, mature, and violence free, whereas the Democrap Socialist held ones have always been anti--America, anti US Military, anti-government hate-fests, with lots of violence, businesse's window-breaking and looting, attacks on Police Officers doing their duty, automobiles set on fire, rock-throwing, and bloody violence everywhere. What a difference!!!

Posted by: armpeg | April 16, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The "event" seemed to lack a consistent theme and, as a result, attracted a disproportionate share of fringe elements. These included the secessionists in Texas, anti-NAFTA advocates, and few more dangerous characters with subtly racist-laced rhetoric and signs, and even those advocating armed revolution.

At the same time, there were some serious people raising issues worthy of discussion. Still, the Republicans should take care not to identify the teabaggers as their base, or allow themselves to be identified with the teabaggers, lest they be tied to the (non-mainstream)fringe elements that produce the photo-ops and sound bites that survive such events.

The Republican Party is perceived by Center America as already standing on the right wing cliff. See recent polls. It cannot proceed beyond that without risking further marginalization. The smart Republicans were the ones who distanced themselves from the teabagging and repeatedly insisted that it was not a Republican event. The Democrats, of course, emphasized the connection to Newt and Dick (Armey) to further alienate the mainstream from the Republicans.

Overall, the event was more circus atmoshpere than substance, but there is danger here for the Republicans if they are seen as the ring masters.

Posted by: gshpc | April 16, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

'Boston tea party, 1773: "No taxation without representation!"
Fox tea party, 2009: "No taxation without our preferred representation!"
Need I say more?'

try voting next election.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's remember this was a workday.
As for the grassrootieness of this affair, how come ANSWER and whatnot on the Left are always portrayed as "citizen" groups or "grassroots" when the reality is their operating money and networking infrastructure funding tends to come from foundational entities?
Americans are genuinely upset with the reflexive tendencies of Congress to throw way too much "other people's money" at favored constituencies. The bailout was a bipartisan move to bail out banks, a constituency that has disposable-income campaign money to spend for favors, and spends that money on both sides of the aisle.
There's a lot of pain down on the street, and to compound that pain by usurious deficit taxation and spending so that the numbskulls that facilitated this disaster feel no pain, but actually feel darn good given the latest quarterlies for Citi, Morgan and others....and we're supposed to just keep out heads down?
I don't think so. Get ready to be blindsided this next election.

Posted by: daskinner | April 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The tea bagging parties succeeded in pointing out to the vast majority of Americans how clueless the America-hating Republicants are.

So, yeah, they succeeded - forty years in the wilderness, this is your fate.

Posted by: WillSeattle | April 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I swear to God, when I heard about "tea bagging" I thought this was some kind of gay rally. It was another anti-Obama whinefest? Really? These people need to get a life.

Posted by: Sam888 | April 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Boston tea party, 1773: "No taxation without representation!"
Fox tea party, 2009: "No taxation without our preferred representation!"
Need I say more?

Posted by: archaeoman | April 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Just look at photos of any of these mobs -- the signs and tshirts, I mean. Juvenile, nasty, ignorant, and most of all obbsessed with hatred over our first black president. That's what all this was really all about.

Look at every single one of them, all the expressions of hatred toward Obama. Most of them weren't much better than thinly-veiled racist/fascist rallies.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 12:57 PM
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My take as well, d.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

labman57 I love your comment. It addresses the true issus and not some made up farce. Too bad that many of the demonstrators really don't have a clue as to what our country is really about. Most of them are just reguritating parroting right wing talking points.

What is sad is probably most of these people will benefit from Obama's tax cut plan.

Posted by: smtpgirl08 | April 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: edithmfletcher | April 16, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse"

Very moving. Is posting the same multiple times an expression of your dedication to the cause or just a desire to show off something you worked really really really hard on?

[groan]

Posted by: mikem1 | April 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the one poster on here. FOX News, you can NO LONGER claim you are fair and balanced. That is B.S. You are "imbalanced" as any sane, sensible person has recognized.

Anytime people organize to express their opinion, exercising their first amendment right, is a good thing. But a tea party to protest higher taxes? If you made less than $250K a year as a household, you were just a pawn in a game to counter a popular President and the momentum he is riding. A pawn to try to overcome possible defeats in the mid-term elections forthcoming.

Posted by: ajackson3 | April 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

""Dana Milbank trashed me...."

[The remainder of her unhinged ranting omitted.]

Posted by: edithmfletcher | April 16, 2009 12:54 PM"
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Whatever.

BTW, how's Arch?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

You don't print trillions of dollars and run trillion dollar deficits with NO consequences.

Do you know who will be hit the hardest when this bill comes due?

THE MIDDLE CLASS

Do you know who will have far less quality of life than you now enjoy when taxes are running 50% to pay for all the liberal programs?

YOUR CHILDREN

Do you care? DO YOU CARE?

Washington DOES NOT!

Posted by: DreamWeaver1 | April 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I am so glad to see that the hatred of a former POTUS and his political party is still so strong! He/they should be held in contempt for the path this country is now on. After attending a "tea party" I found the people there from many different political affiliations: Democrats, Republicans, Libertarian, Constitutional and more. Though there were some who felt the need to lay blame, most were more concerned by elected officials (national and local) who vote for legislation they have little or no time to read that is costing all of us a great deal of money.
On the national level it has been this lack of review that put this country into Iraq, costing us billions, and is now having us pay for companies and financial firms that will cost trillions.
It seemed more about getting the people hired by votes to start doing their jobs. If they cannot, it may be time for yet more change.
In the spirit of full disclosure I am not a "goober, knuckle dragger,sore-loserman,racist",or any of the other labels I have read in some posts through this thread. I am a gay man who has fought for the lives of many friends in battle against HIV. This will be the fifth POTUS. We're still losing.

Posted by: MsMrPs | April 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Just look at photos of any of these mobs -- the signs and tshirts, I mean. Juvenile, nasty, ignorant, and most of all obbsessed with hatred over our first black president. That's what all this was really all about.

Look at every single one of them, all the expressions of hatred toward Obama. Most of them weren't much better than thinly-veiled racist/fascist rallies.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"The [Liberals] doth protest too much, methinks."

Posted by: dsauter | April 16, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Chris wrote, "Let's try to keep the discussion from descending into a simple game of name-calling".

I say we forgo the niceties and descend straightaway into the pit. But alas, the Washington Post has declined my offer to provide a daily feature entitled "The Spleen".

Splenetic name-calling, by the way, or its graphic equivalent ("Obama" spelled with a hammer and sickle, and the like) seemed the order of the day for the teabaggers. The only thing that ties their various complaints into a coherent whole, as best I can tell, is a fervent desire to see the U.S. government fail when they're not in control of it.

When you couple that with their demonstrated proclivity for making it fail when they are in control of it, it's hard for anyone not already firmly entrenched on that side of the partisan divide to find reason to be inspired by their catcalls.

Bottom line, this event probably built some solidarity among the dwindling number of fervent wing nuts among us, at the expense of further isolating them from the center of American politics.

Posted by: Miss_Hogynist | April 16, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Dana Milbank trashed me

That’s right – me. And I didn’t do a thing to him – until now.

Dana Milbank, Washington Post’s token commentator about a national protest against taxation without representation, said it was a “washout.” But that wasn’t enough.

He accused me of being a Fox News fan. I’m not. He accused me of serving up a “noxious brew.” I didn’t. He accused me of holding up mean signs that were against Obama. I didn’t. I had a positive sign in view, too, that he could have mentioned. He accused me, and everyone there, of being right-wing extremists.

Au contraire (an elitist’s translation of no way Jose) and Fox didn’t contact me in an attempt to stage a GOP rally. I am not a Republican or a Democrat or extremist in any way. I am Independent and proud of it. America has always put great stock in independence.

But…

I am not going to rest until banks and other financial entities are independent of the entrenched, self-serving oligarchy that is calling all of America’s shots today.

I am not going to rest until that oligarchy is severed from my Congress and my president, whoever they may be. They must be independent, too, except from our country’s laws.

I am not going to rest until we have a balanced budget without going around a generational mulberry bush to get it.

I am not going to rest until lies are punished and truth is rewarded. Neither party has been handy with the truth. They’ve only been handy with lies and obfuscation.

Dana Milbank, you proved something today that I didn’t know before now. You are either a biased big-government lover or a toady for your biased bosses.

Stilson Hutchins, founder of the Washington Post as a Democratic voice, later cut his ties with the Democratic Party, bought out the Republican competition paper and made it independent. It should have stayed that way.

And BTW, we noticed that you used the rainy weather to further your slant by saying protesters had to pull their feet from the muddy “muck,” a hidden reference to, you know, muck-raking. For your reference, it was all sunshine down here in Arkansas, Texas and Louisiana. Probably at a lot of other places, too.

And that is what we all want, a little sunshine on things that go on in Washington.

Posted by: edithmfletcher | April 16, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The success was knowing Fox News isn't a News Station but a Comdey Show. The people who followed these idiots are wannabe rich people who got their money by being with the circle of friends during the fixed Bush/Cheney years. Now notice how small the 2 per cent wannabe's are. As people with earned wealth know how to manage their money and weren't in the protest. To hear people who make over 250,000 dollars say they don't want to pay taxes one might ask where would you get your money if the 98 per cent didn't work. This protest showed even people who make over 250,000 dollars are not only stupid but greedy and enjoyed living off the backs of Americans for 8 years. Notice we saw no protest in 8 years as Bush put the US in debt of 11 Trillion dollars. Not one report or protester said one word. Now the right wing is mad Obama won and Texas is crying wolf.

Posted by: qqbDEyZW | April 16, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Tuerke9 posted:

When a significant number of taxpayers no longer believes the government is working for them then they start to find ways to not support that government. When that starts to happen a society begins to crumble.
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Mr. Tuerke9,

your post sounds very seriously close to treasonous. Our nation is at war. Men and women are sacrificing a lot more than a portion of their paychecks to support our government -- some are sacrificing their lives. Do you think somehow you are better than them?

And do you feel there is a another government elsewhere that can provide you with the security and resources to make your fabulous income rather than here is the country I love so dearly?

I proudly paid my taxes yesterday, because I know there is no price too large to pay for the freedoms our country gives us. And I am proud that since 1776 members of my family have fought with valor against our nation's enemies in every war this nation has engaged.

Apparently, you operate with a different definition of patriotism; one that equates your support of our government with a price. Like Judas, would you sell out our nation for a few pieces of silver?

Posted by: colonelpanic | April 16, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"The tea parties were yesterday. If they caused the birth of a new conservative movement, we might need to wait more than one day to figure that out.

Posted by: Blarg | April 16, 2009 12:37 PM"
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The Klan is not a "new conservative movement." This is as old as "Birth of a Nation."

The "tea bag" crowd is the same bunch of dangerous yokels and nuts who show up at Klan rallies, neo-Nazi parades, and so-called "gun shows."

Just sick, Fox-News sponsored and organized hate activity (see Milbank's article today in the Post--it's great). Really a sad day for American broadcasting.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Funny how the teabaggers couldn't muster up the energy to protest the huge deficits and huge spending when Bush was in charge.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Dana Milbank trashed me

That’s right – me. And I didn’t do a thing to him – until now.

Dana Milbank, Washington Post’s token commentator about a national protest against taxation without representation, said it was a “washout.” But that wasn’t enough.

He accused me of being a Fox News fan. I’m not. He accused me of serving up a “noxious brew.” I didn’t. He accused me of holding up mean signs that were against Obama. I didn’t. I had a positive sign in view, too, that he could have mentioned. He accused me, and everyone there, of being right-wing extremists.

Au contraire (an elitist’s translation of no way Jose) and Fox didn’t contact me in an attempt to stage a GOP rally. I am not a Republican or a Democrat or extremist in any way. I am Independent and proud of it. America has always put great stock in independence.

But…

I am not going to rest until banks and other financial entities are independent of the entrenched, self-serving oligarchy that is calling all of America’s shots today.

I am not going to rest until that oligarchy is severed from my Congress and my president, whoever they may be. They must be independent, too, except from our country’s laws.

I am not going to rest until we have a balanced budget without going around a generational mulberry bush to get it.

I am not going to rest until lies are punished and truth is rewarded. Neither party has been handy with the truth. They’ve only been handy with lies and obfuscation.

Dana Milbank, you proved something today that I didn’t know before now. You are either a biased big-government lover or a toady for your biased bosses.

Stilson Hutchins, founder of the Washington Post as a Democratic voice, later cut his ties with the Democratic Party, bought out the Republican competition paper and made it independent. It should have stayed that way.

And BTW, we noticed that you used the rainy weather to further your slant by saying protesters had to pull their feet from the muddy “muck,” a hidden reference to, you know, muck-raking. For your reference, it was all sunshine down here in Arkansas, Texas and Louisiana. Probably at a lot of other places, too.

And that is what we all want, a little sunshine on things that go on in Washington.

Posted by: edithmfletcher | April 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The many highly educated, right-thinking, insightful geniuses who have delivered their condescending, exceptionally well-reasoned comments are very likely the same morons who marched against the Viet Nam war, support the rioters who oppose the G-20 meetings, showed up en masse and chanted "Yes, We Can!!!" mindleslly, and so on and on.

Apparently, these same people are greatly offended that the "goobers," the "unwashed," and "ignorant" are starting to rise up against government enslavement through taxation, regulation, and social engineering.

You should be afraid as these people are in the majority and they are becoming angry. The sleeping giant is awakening and will take the country back--you'll see.

Posted by: jshaver001 | April 16, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"And that is what we all want, a little sunshine on things that go on in Washington. "

So where have you been the last 8 years? Milbank captured the hypocrisy and ludicrous nature of these events perfectly.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

You & Kurtz are playing into the hands of the radical riffraff who wanted to create a spontaneous steamroller (and recreate a dead Republican opposition) movement to disrupt Obama from fixing our country. Okay, you are paid to do political "buzz", but do I see any of the truth of the event itself in yours or Kurtz's articles. The truth is the pathetic spectacle that your colleague Milbank presented of what actually went on (Fox should be throwing up in shame).

If this is where the Republican renaissance is going to come from, god bless them. They are all spouting the anti-government nonsense that Timothy McVeigh did and Bush and people like Ashcroft and 100% of Republican congressional leaders. Get real, these people and their ideas are LOSERS!

And you and Kurtz insist on "objectively" treating the politically insane as if they were symmetrical with the sane people trying to save this country's future all over the land! I hope you allow that some of us find that offensive.

Are liberals mad? Of course we are because the so-called liberal press, people like you and Kurtz, have been applauding and pursing your lips while the Bush extremists stole our country from us for 30 years, the last 8 being almost as bad as physical torture!

Posted by: walden1 | April 16, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties were definitely not effective. There wasn't even a cohesive message or strategy of opposition. Seriously, what were the tea parties for? Were they organized to protest current levels of taxation? Government spending? Size of government? Illegal immigration? I cannot surmise from the coverage or description of those that attended. The one thing that was apparent was the anti-Obama sentiment that permeated these events, which was amazingly ignorant.

Again, the organizers kept saying that this was not a partisan gathering, yet anyone with left-wing/liberal(-leaning) ideologies weren't welcome. So how is this not partisan? Frankly, I think this shows the lack of organization of the right-wing/Conservative movement. Especially here in the DC area - how is it that you did not get the appropriate permits to protest peacefully? My only question is where is a good community organizer when you need one!?

Posted by: DinahS | April 16, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Wm. Shakespear

Posted by: Lefty_ | April 16, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"Whipped up by conservative commentators and bloggers... to tap into the collective angst stirred up by a bad economy, government spending and bailouts"

Rarely have I read such hypocritical trash!!!! Exactly whose policies were responsible and set in motion the economic collapse, egregious government spending and unaccountable bailouts?

If americans are foolish enough to support and vote for these charlatans then they deserve many more years of loosing their homes, jobs and retirement funds!!!!

Posted by: geronimog | April 16, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

That photo at the top says it all.
I was a wignut party. All the no clues
showed up at one spot.

Posted by: jjgrah | April 16, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"True conservatives spoke out against Bush on many things."

I don't recall hearing much of that. Can you point to instances of influential conservatives calling out Bush on anything prior to 2008? Where were these dissenting "true conservatives"? In Congress? Governors? Media figures?

"We put country first, party second."

That deserves a prize for laughable lie of the week.

"Show me one liberal who said they hope Bush succeeded?"

I hoped beyond hope that he would succeed as a good president, but knew he wouldn't.

And that's the difference - GOPers are wrong to equate their stated wish that Obama fails with Dems feelings towards Bush. Opponents of Bush knew he didn't have the wherewithal to be a good president - he'd failed in pretty much everything in his adult life and didn't have the qualities to be a good leader. We predicted he'd fail - but we didn't HOPE for it. How much better America would be if Bush had been successful at his job - that is, had been GOOD at it, and made good decisions for America. GOPers, on the other hand, unashamedly state that they hope Obama will be a bad president and make mistakes that harm America, I suppose so America will "learn her lesson" and return to the GOP way of governing poorly.

Posted by: hitpoints | April 16, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Here's a link if anyone wants to watch/share fox "news" reporter Heil Cavuto getting caught on camera lying about the size of a teabagger rally:

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001168/index.html

Live mic catches Fox host tripling his own crowd size estimate

Here’s Fox News host Neil Cavuto in Sacramento, CA talking with a producer at 12:10PM, recorded on a live mic:

CAVUTO: Any estimates on how many people are here?

PRODUCER: No, we’re trying to get…

CAVUTO: There’s gotta’ be 5,000.

PRODUCER: Oh, at least. You know, I mean the cops aren’t going to tell us, and we’ve been trying to get ahold of the PR person to give us their number, but I think 5,000. You can say it’s starting at 5,000 [unintelligble, but sounds like “and maybe it’s more.”].

And here’s Cavuto less than ten minutes later, tripling his crowd estimate during his on-air broadcast:

CAVUTO: I know you cover a lot of these things Shep, so you’re probably better at estimating crowd sizes than I am. They were expecting 5,000 here, it’s got to be easily double, if not triple that.

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | April 16, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Dana Milbank trashed me

That’s right – me. And I didn’t do a thing to him – until now.

Dana Milbank, Washington Post’s token commentator about a national protest against taxation without representation, said it was a “washout.” But that wasn’t enough.

He accused me of being a Fox News fan. I’m not. He accused me of serving up a “noxious brew.” I didn’t. He accused me of holding up mean signs that were against Obama. I didn’t. I had a positive sign in view, too, that he could have mentioned. He accused me, and everyone there, of being right-wing extremists.

Au contraire (an elitist’s translation of no way Jose) and Fox didn’t contact me in an attempt to stage a GOP rally. I am not a Republican or a Democrat or extremist in any way. I am Independent and proud of it. America has always put great stock in independence.

But…

I am not going to rest until banks and other financial entities are independent of the entrenched, self-serving oligarchy that is calling all of America’s shots today.

I am not going to rest until that oligarchy is severed from my Congress and my president, whoever they may be. They must be independent, too, except from our country’s laws.

I am not going to rest until we have a balanced budget without going around a generational mulberry bush to get it.

I am not going to rest until lies are punished and truth is rewarded. Neither party has been handy with the truth. They’ve only been handy with lies and obfuscation.

Dana Milbank, you proved something today that I didn’t know before now. You are either a biased big-government lover or a toady for your biased bosses.

Stilson Hutchins, founder of the Washington Post as a Democratic voice, later cut his ties with the Democratic Party, bought out the Republican competition paper and made it independent. It should have stayed that way.

And BTW, we noticed that you used the rainy weather to further your slant by saying protesters had to pull their feet from the muddy “muck,” a hidden reference to, you know, muck-raking. For your reference, it was all sunshine down here in Arkansas, Texas and Louisiana. Probably at a lot of other places, too.

And that is what we all want, a little sunshine on things that go on in Washington.

Posted by: edithmfletcher | April 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure exactly what the purpose of the protests were. I mean, under the new tax plan probably 99% of the people who came to those protests are going to get a tax cut this year. So they were really protesting something (higher taxes) after they got what they wanted (lower taxes).

Posted by: rrcgrant | April 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"For example, Rick Perry and his like minded Texans love America so much that they are willing to leave the union and form their own country. "

uuhhh-- is that like destroying the village in order to save it?

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The whole Tea Party movement is essentially more of the same from the people who designed the McCain campaign: it (the movement) is under the arrogant presumption that Republicans will re-take the House in 2010 because it had happened previously. Those that are organizing aren't actually creating anything other than fervor amongst its constituents.

We've seen that before late last year and we've seen the results. Yet, no one is raising a hand to say "well we might want to re-think our strategy" Instead everyone is gleeful to just go along.

However, if any good came out of this it is that some people did protest. The same people who probably turned their nose up at anti-war protests. That is a huge, huge step forward for American politics. Regardless of who organized it we should all be happy people are realizing the tools given to them to make their voices heard.

Posted by: sydler | April 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Fringe society - now being seen for what they are. Absolutely ludicrous and non American for a governor and supposedly American “Leader” to flame the words of hate toward a duly elected government. Have they forgotten this is a democracy? These guys are bad for not only America but for themselves. This event was a disaster because its roots are hate and bigotry. Because most Americans are good natured people and are not stupid, these guys will never succeed in trying to keep the flames of bigotry and hate alive.

Posted by: ILuvUS | April 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The other media outlets are remiss in allowing Fox News to cross the line with impunity from journalism to advocacy and create this so-called "movement." If ever there were a rag-tag collection of "fringies," this was it.

But the most disturbing part of it was the undercurrent of mindless hatred of -- NOT disagreement with -- Obama and the Democrats. The GOP has always out-meaned and out-hated the Dems, and this fiasco yesterday definitely had at least that much of a Republican cast to it. But the "rebirth" of the Republican party and/or the conservative movement? Please.

Posted by: jac13 | April 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

" This is not like the dimocraps, "

more intellectual greatness.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Just a question here: The anti-tax crowd always talks about allowing people to keep more of their hard-earned money. While these tea parties were going on, I was working hard and earning my money. The protesters apparently weren't.

I'm just sayin' . . .

Posted by: jlhare1 | April 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse


I do not think it was a rebirth of the conservative movement for one reason: the people in attendance were not all Republicans. That said, I do think that this could hurt the Republicans because of some of the comments made. For example, Rick Perry and his like minded Texans love America so much that they are willing to leave the union and form their own country. WOW! We'll see how long they last when the don't have the few U.S. border agents stationed there and no money to fund education.

Posted by: kristilj | April 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties, well, their success, whatever it may be, will certainly need to be followed up by more action for sure. Please though, quit throwing the race card up unless you are willing to defend this accusation. The only ones being discriminated against these days are achieving people...their punishment? To pay for all the people who don't get off their butt to work and expect the rest of us to pay their tab... I love it when I go to the supermarket and the woman in front of me talking on her iphone buying a cart load of brand name groceries with manicured nails, each having their own design whips out her welfare card to pay for everything. I don't have an i-phone...I don't get my nails manicured, and I pay taxes...all my groceries are store brands and I pay for each item myself...no welfare card for me. People, what we have here is not working for anyone! The government's spending is out of control and it's ideologic twists are downright scary. It is not a case of sore-loserism...it is a case of whether or not you want to live in a socialistic communistic society because friends, that is where we are headed.

Posted by: kwitmuss | April 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"SHAME ON ALL OF YOU LIBERAL ELITISTS!"

Again, these people are just sad. Apparently they don't realize they're just PR props for Fox and tools for corporate interests.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the Tea Parties were very much a success. After all, these were working people that had to take off work to attend the event. This is not like the dimocraps, who live off these working people, and have nothing but time to put down the people who support them. People who vote, take food stamps, use unemployment, use affirmative action, get welfare, belong to acorn, etc. should be required to take drug tests to enjoy these benefits. They wouldn't be so hopped up and uppity then. All the people demonstarting yesterday were cean,decent people. Most of you posters here are annonymous poser losers.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | April 16, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties would have had more credibility if the participants were not so ignorant about the merits of their cause. It would be like people protesting "illegal aliens" by holding up signs that read "Martians go home!".

If you had asked a dozen different people attending the "tea parties" why they chose to attend, you would have gotten a dozen different reasons and none would have any merit based on reality. Most of the protesters interviewed at the tea parties had all of the maturity and intellectual eloquence of a 10-year old who, when told to clean his room before he can play, blurts out "This sucks!".

One of the persistent themes being voiced at the tea parties was the notion of "taxation without representation", a concept borrowed from the original Boston Tea Party. However, we just had an election during which every adult citizen had the opportunity to vote. So what these folks are really complaining about is that their candidate(s) LOST! This does not invalidate the election, people. All it means is that you are SORE LOSERS. Suck it up and try again in 2010.

Obama has not raised taxes, he has CUT them for the vast majority of Americans.

The Bush Administration's ineptitude created the current economic recession and national deficit problem, and now we MUST invest federal dollars to re-right the ship.

Too much federal regulation? Excuse me? It was the LACK of government regulation and oversight that caused the banking system to crash.

Complaining about "socialism"? Does that mean you plan to refuse Medicare when you become eligible? Will you encourage your elderly loved ones to do likewise? Cause there isn't anything more "socialistic" at the federal level than taxpayer-subsidized health care for senior citizens.

Or are you one of those extreme right-wing fringe whack-jobs that still think Obama is a Muslim...or a foreigner....or an alien?

Quick, run to Rush. He'll give you a new batch of scripted talking points.

And to the handful of folks that mistakenly believed that they would be participating in a genuine grass roots political event, well, there is no Easter bunny either. It is true that you had every right to protest, air your concerns, and express your anger about the economy. But at the same time, the reality is that you have been reduced to a propaganda tool for the bozos on FOX News, FreedomWorks, and elsewhere that wished to exploit your concerns for their own self-serving, disingenuous purposes. Best to have taken a hot shower when you got home.

Posted by: labman57 | April 16, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

nocomedown wrote: "will it lead to anything? not sure. it's too soon to tell with these things. but I got the sense that the folks in attendance were from the 'silent majority' types who were generally not inclined toward protesting."

They were generally not inclined toward protesting because they were the hardcore fans of the government in power for the past 8 years.

And they're not the "silent majority", or they wouldn't have been spanked in the last election.

Posted by: JenDray | April 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It was very funny to watch these fools act on behalf of the very rich and corrupt corporate interest. How many of these people make over 250k per year? probably none of them but they still go out and make such fools of themselves. Besides, where were these fools when bush and dick were pillaging the treasury over the last 8 years?
They have absolutely no credibility!!

Posted by: moemongo | April 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It isn't just Fox that's getting further righrtwing, it's most of the national media. Mike Allen of Politico, for instance, seems to want a McCarthy invetigation into who wrote the latest national security rport: Here he is on winger Hewitt's radio show"

"HEWITT: Let’s turn to the other major story, it has been on talk radio, it will be on the cable channels tonight and it will probably go on for some time, the Washington Times story, Mike Allen, about the extremism assessment. How big of a story is this?

ALLEN: I think it’s a big story — I don’t know, I think some bureaucrat who wrote this report like misstated in a way that doesn’t comport with your or my observations about the real America. I think it was somebody, who written inside the Beltway, who maybe has fantasies about what happens outside in the real America.

HEWITT: What I really want to know is who wrote it. This to me is to me the most interesting. If it was some career serving, 25 year veteran of some obscure analytical branch, that would be one thing. But if its a new Obama appointee, Mike Allen. That really makes me grin because it’s so…

ALLEN: Well, I think that you’re right. I think it’s a good reporting target that we should find out and I think it’s something that they should cough up and if nothing else to present information to help you determine like whether this is worth getting too stoked about. i"

Reporting target? Where was the 'reporting' during the 8 years of bush while these poodles of the press were licking his feet?

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

That dude's hair piece and his glasses are his disguise.

Posted by: washingtonpost31 | April 16, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

1. I don't think the conservative "movement" has any credibility. They didn't have any anti-tax parties when the previous administration was in office although Dick Cheney himself said that "deficits don't matter". Can you imagine the outrage should Obama say that out loud?

2. As a fiscally conservative independent, I think Democrats mock this issue at their political peril. It is one thing to give the gov't and a new President a pass during crazy economic times, but too much more of it and these types of demonstrations *will* take root.

3. Fox was undeniably a huge promoter of this minor event giving tons of free advertising and coverage. Fine, but going so far as to having some of their broadcasters take the stage at these events? Are they reporting the news or creating it?

Posted by: mikem1 | April 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

These Republicans allowed Bush to double the national debt in just 8 years and create a housing bubble to hide the fact that his economy "recovery" was a lie, just like the WMD. Now they don't want to pay the bill? They are irresponsible children. The Republican party is incapable of governing this country, because they are shackled by their ideology. A party that claims government is the problem is the problem.

Posted by: Chagasman | April 16, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU LIBERAL ELITISTS!

... this isn't about Dems vs. Reps. This is about America. True conservatives spoke out against Bush on many things. We are not blind kool aid drinkers. We put country first, party second. That is something the Liberals do not do. Show me one liberal who said they hope Bush succeeded?

What we have going on now is pushing through a radical Liberal agenda, the cost to America be damned. AND I DO MEAN COST! When we have to PRINT money to pay for our spending, we are in DEEP DEEP trouble.

Running trillion dollar deficits is criminal. The debt we are sticking to our children is criminal. Obama has offered no solutions to pay for his spending. You may not care that your children have trillions in debt, or that our taxes are going to have to skyrocket to pay for this someday. BUT I DO, AS DO ALL THE PEOPLE AT THE TEAPARTIES.. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT!

Obama knows our taxes will have to skyrocket to pay for this and he doesn't care... look up his comments regarding energy costs skyrocketing with his carbon cap tax. He doesn't care as long as the liberal agenda is met. WAKE UP!

SHAME ON YOU FOR TRYING TO SPIN THEM INTO SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT, SHAME ON YOUR FOR DISMISSING THEM, MORE IMPORTANTLY SHAME ON YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR PARTY BEFORE YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE. I HAVE LEARNED LONG AGO THAT LIBERALS HAVE NO SHAME.

ONCE AGAIN YOU SHOW YOUR ARROGANCE AND YOUR ELITISM. ALL DONE UNDER THE BANNER OF CHANGE AND HOPE. DISGUSTING!

Posted by: DreamWeaver1 | April 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Before to many posters on this article get to carried away by the low attendance
(in their opinion)of these events and the idea that they represent maybe 15 to 20
percent on the voters. You may want to remember that 20% of the people pay 80% of the taxes. When a significant number of taxpayers no longer believes the government is working for them then they start to find ways to not support that government. When that starts to happen a society begins to crumble.

Posted by: Tuerke9 | April 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Based upon all of the "reporting" I saw, it seems Fox News has officially done what they were long suspected of having done before: gone from reporting the news to creating it. I don't know that they can be considered a journalistic entity any more.

Posted by: hobbes9 | April 16, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh and that guys hairpiece makes me sad.

Posted by: calboxer | April 16, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties were yesterday. If they caused the birth of a new conservative movement, we might need to wait more than one day to figure that out.

But what's new about this conservative movement? These people hate the concepts of taxes and government. They also hate Obama and the Democrats. None of that is new for Republicans or far-right fringe groups. They don't have any new ideas, and there's no sign that their old ideas are gaining popularity.

I'd say that the tea parties were a failure, because their mission was incoherent, and their execution was unimpressive. I can't imagine that they convinced anyone who didn't already agree.

Posted by: Blarg | April 16, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Compare this...

The Secret Service dispersed the crowd after tea bags were thrown over the White House fence.

Once all the shoes had been tossed onto the White House lawn, the officers collected them and piled them into the back of a small truck.

Now ask, which has been used as a bomb? Shoes or teabags?

Why so sensitive?

Posted by: harmony2 | April 16, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

It's noticeable that the only Teabaggers in the photo above who don't have grey hair have obviously dyed their hair to hide the grey.

Just as the Republicans are hiding behind the name Tea Party in a failed attempt to disguise their real identity.

I suspect the average Teabagger has a lot more to fear from death than from taxes. It's a mob with one foot in the grave.

Posted by: JenDray | April 16, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I casually walked by and observed a local 'tea party' in NY. I got the sense it was not very organized and attracted a lot of folks who were protesting something for the first time. I spent about 10-15 minutes, but I heard men & women discussing the debt and wasteful spending as espoused by the Obama budget and stimulus projects. There was no loudspeaker, so it was difficult to hear at times. I also heard some ppl shouting out their personal email addresses, which gave me the sense that these ppl were not connected to the Republican party but trying to keep in touch with ppl they just met.

will it lead to anything? not sure. it's too soon to tell with these things. but I got the sense that the folks in attendance were from the 'silent majority' types who were generally not inclined toward protesting.

Posted by: nocomedown | April 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

It was hugely successful in confirming 2 things, two things that I would grant are patently obvious to anyone paying any attention, but now has made these two things undeniable even for the most hard headed right winger.

The Republican party has officially run out of ideas, largely because their policies of the past couple of decades have painted them into a corner without an exit strategy, surprise.

Fox News is in no way related to journalism of any kind. While they might have made some claim to reporting or journalism with a heavy conservative slant in the past, the open and repeated advertising and advocacy for this tea party fiasco has made their active support of political agendas so blatant that even Rush Limbaugh couldn't possibly deny it.

That said, claiming ten's of thousands of people turning out for over 2,000 events nation wide, could mean as low as 10 people per event, for 20,000 total, to minimally qualify for "tens" of thousands.

Nice. Good luck "energizing your base" of old angry racist white people and Michael Steele.

Posted by: calboxer | April 16, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"The Tea Party worked because despite the best efforts of the Democrap Socialist Party--controlled Main Stream Media and the Bozo Obama goons efforts to suppress it,"

Here is the intellectual level of a supporter of the tea parties, CC. Now what do you think, is this the birth of a new movement, or simply the ravings of angry, childish malcontents?

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow. America's Republicans are almost as bad at opposition as they are at government.

a) Their idea of a symbolic protest against government is to dump a big pile of trash in a public park ... for government workers to pick up.

b) They can't even do that since they forgot to get a permit.

c) Their turnout sucks and only reveals how marginalised they now are.

d) They pick a name that's guaranteed to get them branded as "Tea-baggers" - an epithet with hilarious homoerotic connotations.

I guess "community organizing" isn't so easy as these poor Republicans thought.

Posted by: JenDray | April 16, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The tea party protests were as effective as the anti-war protests, although I don't remember the media asking this question then.

Posted by: bobmoses | April 16, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

this was the last tax return under President Bush's tax laws...
Next year the country will operate under President Obama's tax laws...
it could be that you might get more back or many of you will not pay any taxes...
to make up for that check the price on the gallon of gas...
is it over 4.00 a gallon...
they did increase the taxes on gasoline...
and when it reached over 4.00 a gallon, noone complained enough and they still voted for those who wanted to increase it...
and with the gallon of gas so goes the price of food...
same will apply to the price of electricity...
it will only go up, think about it...
anyway, on election day 2010, think if all I have written has come true and you decide if your life was made better by those tax cuts obama promised...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 16, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

If your objective was simply to vent and make a fool of yourself to the rest of the nation, then yes, it was a success.

Posted by: labman57 | April 16, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I was at the "Mile High Tea Party" in Denver and felt it went pretty well. The entire front lawn of the Capital was covered and people were honking horns as they passed by on Braodway. There weren't any Republican or Democratic speakers. There was a mom, father, grandmother, a few vets, a number of non-party speakers and "Gunny Bob", a local, popular radio host who is a Vietnam Vet. There weren't a lot of "Obama" chanting but "Where's Ritter...Where's Ritter...Where's Ritter" chants were abundant. Governor Ritter has been running the CO economy into the ground. He was seen at 7:30 am but couldn't comment because he was "double-parked". He left the city.

Posted by: tiotom77 | April 16, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The tea bag parties were a sick joke.

It was the usual band of racists, separatists, mentals, and losers who show up at Phalin hate rallies, Klan parades, and neo-Nazi "gatherings."

The tea bagging clearly was not about taxes; taxes were rarely mentioned by these Yahoos. In fact, BHO (the President they yelled racial slurs about) lowered their taxes (unless they made over 250K).

No more than about a couple thousand participated nationwide--the typical count for hate rallies.

And forget about the teabagging being "spontaneous" or "grassroots."

Dana Milbank's article in the Post today suggested (btw, the string of comments on his article is running 20 to 1 against the teabagging), the tea bagging was sponsored and organized by Fox News and well-healed extremist corporate interests. Sad.

Fox News is no longer just reporting on organized hate, from now on, with their production of the Tea Parties yesterday, they have officially joined the world of organized hate.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Tea party, what tea party. completely waste of time and energy. the energy of the whiners should be put to better use, like planting a garden and taking care the poor.

Posted by: hlee419 | April 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Parties did accomplish one thing that seems to be universally accepted by both liberals and conservatives alike. Fox News is now firmly, undeniably, a right-wing, GOP-linked promotional machine. "Fair and Balanced" must now be said with a chuckle.

Posted by: hayden1 | April 16, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The Tuscaloosa, AL event featured a speaker from the secessionist, neo-confederate League of the South.

Teabaggers wave the flag, but a lot of them hate America.

Posted by: ColinLaney | April 16, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party worked because despite the best efforts of the Democrap Socialist Party--controlled Main Stream Media and the Bozo Obama goons efforts to suppress it, demean it, pooh-pooh it, and to censor it, it was a major news event. Thank you Fox News for being the only news service that we Americans have that did what our founding fathers intended for a free press to be, the watchdog for the American people. It's a sad day for America when our supposed Main Stream Media is nothing more than just another political propaganda arm for one particular party, the Democrap Socialist Party who they work for exclusively.

Posted by: armpeg | April 16, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes! A BIG success.
I am more convinced than ever that we need to make plans to send these moronic knuckle-draggers off to live in Alaska.
Give them their own nation.
They can split it up into as many states as they want. Heck, they can make one called New Texas and make the idiot Rick Perry the governor.
"Grandpa, what was a republican?"

Posted by: TOMHERE | April 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

They "tea parties" showed that GOP is trying to rally their troops around a common boogyman. They have done this in the past e.g. terrorism, gays, guns, etc. However, Obama and the deomocratic party have coopted a lot of the moderates leaving the republican party with the racist sign toating hard core. While I think it is helpful to the republican party to get organized online, they are going to need to come up with a more timely and moderated message otherwise they are going to push the rest of the moderates out of their party.

Posted by: derekmanners | April 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

How really sad to see Fix news's attempt at stirring the pot ... rather than suggesting alternatives, they are simply bashing everything .. this is dangerous and foolhardy, and their agenda is hardly a secret. Unfortunately, there are some who actually believe their rantings.

Posted by: PamelaN | April 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

These people forget that they WERE IN CHARGE for eight years! They, and their simple minded, greedy, dimwitted leaders like Cheney and his dumb thug puppet Bush got us into this mess!

Thank God we have a competent man in charge now.

Posted by: AllAmericanBoy | April 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The Fix asks
"[were] the tea parties ... a sign of the rebirth of the conservative movement or the latest symbol of the lack of true energy and excitement on the right. Or, is it somewhere in between?"

The Tea Parties are going to backfire on the conservative movement. Right when the Obama administration is proposing significant tax reform, conservatives are whipping the masses up into a populist frenzy. Time and again, both during the campaign and in the young administration, the Obama team has demonstrated significant abilities at making the more compelling argument. These 'tea' parties are not going to change that.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 16, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I, three of my adult children, and my twin grandbabies attended the annual end of the season party of my wifes CPA firm last night. On Congress Ave. in Austin we saw well dressed and also costumed middle aged anglos, and occasional younger anglos, celebrating the tea thingie. They were few in number, well behaved, and good natured. They did not have a unified theme so it was not clear they were protesting anything in particular [without the background of FOX, etc., it would have seemed like a halloween/ or perhaps Independence Day type celebration of getting past tax day].

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 16, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

You could have 50 million protesters and it would not stop the current agenda.

However it was a good exercise for the opposition and hopefully a cathartic one.
Perhaps the White House will take more bipartisan notice when sharing their message on taxes and spending.


Next, will the Democrats hold their power advantage in 2010?

ps Congrats and much health for the Fix family

Posted by: terux | April 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

CC,
You're kidding right? The Tea Parties were a complete farce. There is a segment of society that is going to hate the current administration no matter what it does and will latch on to any (real or imagined) hook to try to turn public opinion. I am not certain how large that segment actually is, but I would put it at about 15% of the population. The Tea Party organizers were not even able to mobilize that group of people effectively. Fox News' claim that tens of thousands showed up is only true if you combine the total of all the rallies. The interesting question might be, did they get even 100,000 people in the entire country to show up?

Posted by: trep1 | April 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic and sad, yes, but also creepy and irresponsible and dangerous. Fox is sinking every day to new depths of simple-mindedness and trying to incite violence with inflammatory rhetoric -- and some politicians/demagogues are quite willing to pour gas on the flames, like Rick Perry:

While speaking at a “tea party” yesterday, Texas governor Rick Perry (R) suggested that his state might have to secede “if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people.” :

VAN SUSTEREN: You know, from here, Glenn, listening to Governor Perry last night and watching your crowd and listening to the things that are coming out of Texas — I don’t want to be too dramatic, but it almost seems like Texas is going to secede from the rest of the nation."

How many more gun nuts are they going to incite to just start shooting into crowds?

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Besides a bunch of Sore-Losermen, I saw mostly frustrated bleatings of thinly-disguised racism, myself. Pathetic and sad.

Posted by: soonerthought | April 16, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Fox News succeeded in making fools of the handful of goobers who attended these corporate-sponsored farces.

Posted by: drindl | April 16, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

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