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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and comedian David Letterman. Photos by Rick Wilking of Reuters and John Paul Reuters/CBS

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin sure knows how to attract attention.

Days after the "will she or won't she" sweepstakes regarding her attendance at a congressional fundraiser ended, Palin has taken issue with recent comments made by late night comedian David Letterman.

During a monologue on his "Late Show" Monday night, Letterman took after Palin several times but may have crossed the line when he joked that "her daughter was knocked up by (Yankee third baseman) Alex Rodriguez" during the seventh inning of a game.

Palin wasn't laughing, describing the incident as nothing more than "sexually perverted comments made by a 62-year-old male celebrity."

The Alaska Governor got some support today from a (somewhat) unlikely source -- Missouri Missouri Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill. McCaskill, who blatantly flaunts the Fix's warning for politicians not to Twitter, tweeted: "Letterman jokes about Palin's daughter. Way over the line. If it were my daughters I'd be furious. He should seriously apologize."

Letterman, for his part, has said the joke was about Palin's older daughter, not her 14 year old, and added that he was "not necessarily proud of these jokes." (Letterman's whole response here.)

For today's Wag the Blog question, we want to hear Fixistas take on this issue. Was Letterman out of line? And, if so, is Palin's outrage based on a maternal instinct to defend her children or out of a desire to reinforce the idea to average Americans that she is the leading defender of traditional values in the public sphere? Some of each?

Sound off in the comments section below. The best thought-out and well-reasoned comments will be featured in their own post later this week.

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 11, 2009; 2:51 PM ET
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Comments

genestill33:

Did you even see the apology from last night? He said WILLOW's name specifically. Willow was the one at the Yankee game (not Bristol) as in the joke.

Posted by: JakeD | June 16, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

What seems to be lost is the Letterman said nothing about the 14-year-old. The older girl is stupid or trash or both. I'm sick of the Palins trying to make political hay out of their own notion that someone might think their younger daughter shares the loose moral base that their older daughter has.

Posted by: genestill33 | June 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, I fail to see what this is all about. Palin paraded her failed philosophy of an ideal (abstinance) during the campaign, and then says leave me alone? Hyporcacy, by golly.

Get a life. Letterman is a profesinal comedian for Christ's sake! THAT'S WHAT COMEDIANS DO! Palin cries,"We agreeed on the campaign trail not to include families". Got a pencil? Write this down: here is a news flash from the Deparment Of Duh: YOU ARE NO LONGER ON THE CAMPAIGN,HAVEN'T BEN FOR 7 MONTHS, NO ONE CAMPAIGNING SAID ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR KIDS, AND LETTERMAN IS A PROFESSIONAL COMEDIAN.

Paln, the single worst canadate in a century, has no grounds here. (Think she was qualified? www.whitehouse.gov is I believ the site.....check out the qualificatins for all the presidents and VP's. I went back to 1913 and still everyone had more experience than Palin's paltry 1.8 years as a state govenor of the 3rd smallest state in the union. Of course Ike had no governmental experience, but plenty of other relavant experience. Know who was closest in thier lack of experience who actually won anything? Spiro Agnew, and even he had more than Palin. Somebody email me to let me know how that one worked out. Hell, several counties in my state of Ohio have more people than her entire state. The city of Chicago is even bigger than all of Alaska!). Where did I find this out? I read papers. Lots and lots. Which ones? Can I get back to you on that? Obama had 6 years in state government and another 4 in natinal government (2 actually when the campaign started). SIX times what Palin had, and she had nothing national, you betcha. So unqualified, her own party wouldn't let her give interviews to the "media" after her disastrous first couple (wink wink). If you dont think that won't come back to bite your Alsakain behind, you've missed the boat, by golly you betcha.

It's a walking joke awaiting a punch line: parade your out of wedlock pregnant kid around touting a program that you want to be national that you can't even control in your own family! Maybe too much staring out the back porch at Russia?

I am not a huge Letterman fan, but I say keep on Dave! Comedians can and should have a field day with public figures (espicially politcians) who do dumb things, and taking your out of wedlock pregnat kid on an abstinance sponsored by tweenbie clothes that promote 'grown uop looks for young teenss' tour has to be in the honours for this yeares top idiot award.

If you don't like it, don't watch Dave. The people didn't like Palin, and not enough voted for her. That worked out OK by me. Will she go away? Not today, but we can all hope it will be soon, as this extra 15 seconds of fame is about as ignorant as it can get. Keep it going and make sure to drag your kid into it. Self serving and damageing to te kid all in one fell swoop. Good job! For a hockey mom who wasn't too good at guarding the crease, that takes some real stupidity. By golly you betcha.

Posted by: sgtrichusmfc | June 16, 2009 4:13 AM | Report abuse

I vote not to fire Letterman. He's a comedian. Get a grip people. Sure would like to know what Al Sharpton has to do with this issue.

Posted by: gregslightning | June 15, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid to inform mr. letterman that my daughter Bristol is a strong, young survivor, single mom, who will overcome whatever life brings her way. mr. letterman although I'm dissappointed that you would speak of a young american mother my daughter Bristol in that manner. I am confident mr. letterman that you and your network in the future will promote positive images of young women here in america. mr. letterman I see nothing wrong with that kind of fun.
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Palin blew it!

Posted by: opp88 | June 15, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The posturing is fairly sickening and disgusting. My response to something upsetting that someone says is not to target their children as fair game.

Because you're not responsible or adult enough to know that the children have nothing to do with it. Posted by: mtcooley
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sometimes you have to be a responsible adult and say... "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" reassurance of oneselves worth speaks volumes.

Posted by: opp88 | June 15, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Why don't Palin go on Face the Nation?

Will Palin call Face the Nation, quote... "Liberal Media" when she makes herself look like a fool, if she were to appear on Face the Nation?

Posted by: opp88 | June 15, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

>>I hope the GOP pundits and trolls do "get revenge" by publicly attacking Obama's two young daughters.

But really it gets down to why do people feel it's right to attack other people's children as revenge? That's basically what it amounts to. He made a very crass joke and suddenly it's okay to go after his children or Obama's children. That kind of mentality is really part of the problem in my opinion. It's a schoolyard mentality in that "Oh well he did it so it's okay if I do it back." It makes me wonder where has intergrity and respect gone in this country because the people here don't really seem to show any. They openly call Letterman's son a vulgar name, they seem to think that in this case it's alright to insult 2 girls that have no part in this at all, and all because of some kind of perverse chivalry towards a crass joke that if happened anywhere else would just be between Palin and Letterman as adults.

The posturing is fairly sickening and disgusting. My response to something upsetting that someone says is not to target their children as fair game. Because then you're just no better and in my opinion worse than the other person. Because you're not responsible or adult enough to know that the children have nothing to do with it.

Posted by: mtcooley | June 15, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I will give both parties the benefit of a doubt on this one. Letterman has no history of jokes abusing the children of politicians and I beleive Gov. Palin outrage to a degree is legitimate if she believed this cpomment was directed towards her youngest child. He problem is her outrage rings hollow when you consider her rhetoric during the campaign where she continually used hateful images against the President then and now to drum up the extreme right to hurt our President.

Posted by: blackwellv | June 15, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I just read the MTP transcript. Biden was not asked about it.

Posted by: JakeD | June 14, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about nothing. Letterman makes and off-color crack about this white trash family and gives them another thirty seconds of fame. Everyone stakes out their positions, a sideshow and a distraction from things that matter.

Time to move on.

I'm sure the Palins will find something else to hoot about soon.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 14, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else know if Biden commented on "Meet the Press"?Every commentor (even Donna Brazille) on "This Week" agreed that Letterman crossed the line (although neither George commented).

Posted by: JakeD | June 14, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I hope the GOP pundits and trolls do "get revenge" by publicly attacking Obama's two young daughters. Such a response to Letterman's deserved lampooning of the Palin abstinence absurdity would just be yet another nail in the coffin of the GOP.

Sure, it'd rile up the base. And, as with everything else the GOP does, it would repel everyone else.

But I don't think it would shrink the base more than a little further, I think what remains of GOP support is the clinker, the refractory ash. The mainstream conservatives are now one with the black helicopter crowd, the teabaggers, the birth-certificate crazies, and there's nothing ugly enough to be distasteful to people like that.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 14, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly to the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

Be cheerful. Strive to be happy."

Max Ehrmann c.1920

Following the second paragraph is not a gơd idea in these sections

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 14, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Spent a few hours today with a guy visiting from Alaska. Told me some interesting stuff .. Palin is popular in the trailer towns like Wasilla, mostly full of imports from Texas and Oklahoma, but she is not well liked at all in the cities, the word people use to describe her wouldn't make it through the censors here, Four letters, begins with c, ends in t, and the initials of a well-known international political organization between. He described her as "quite a piece of work."

Also had some construction people who remodeled my house head up there to reconnoiter for a move to a much cheaper state, came back totally changed their minds, they said Alaska is a sewer of a state, and these people aren't exactly the types who buy season symphony tickets themselves.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 14, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

hai mươi lần bài tường luận như về Sasha và Malia. Người làm ghê tỉm như máy ghi âm, lặp và cổ xưa.

Xin ra đi và không đi về, người nngu ngốc.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 14, 2009 1:34 AM | Report abuse

I guess all bets are off re: Sasha and Malia Obama now too (not to mention little b*stard Harry Letterman).

Posted by: JakeD | June 14, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

I AM A MOTHER FIRST, AND ALL ELSE COME'S LATER.

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Yes, of course, anyone who has ever borne children is exempt from all responsibilities, personal and civic and moral. How unreasonable it would be to expect anyone who has ever borne a child to consider any other factors in any decision for the remainder of their lives.

Fortunately for society only a small percentage of people bear children, otherwise we would be overridden by selfish concerns masked as "my children first."

(/sarcasm)

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 14, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, sm98yth : )

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Chỗ cắt của bài tường luận này là một trách nhiệm của Chris Cillizza, không của thằng ngốc tên là "JakeD." Nếu số người đọc một tờ báo muốn đọc "cám ơn!" cho một lời bìngh luận, xin cho phép CC viết.

Em là mãi dâm cho chú ý, cũng là thằng ngốc. Xin ra đi và không đi về.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 13, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey sm98: next time you feel oppressed by the cesspool that is television, think about the last time you went to the polls and punched the chad for the caveman who promised to go to Washington and "deregulate" the "free market."

This is what you get: slime.

Every time your hillbilly governor talks about the "privit sector" this is what she means.

This is what you voted for.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 13, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

COME'S
PEDIFILES
ADVERTIZEMENTS
DISFUNCTION

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ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a Republican in the house

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 13, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, sm98yth : )

Posted by: JakeD | June 13, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I AM A MOTHER FIRST, AND ALL ELSE COME'S LATER.
I AGREE WITH PALIN. SHE SHOULD CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN. OUR WOMEN ARE BEING ABUSED, WE CAN'T PROTECT OUT CHILDREN FROM SEXUAL PEDIFILES, WE CAN'T KEEP PORNOGRAPHY OFF OUR TV AND WE HAVE TO CONTEND WITH PRIME TIME ADVERTIZEMENTS FOR ERECTILE DISFUNCTION. ALL OF THESE ISSUES ALLOW LETTERMAN TO FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THESE COMMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE FOR OPRAH TO INVITE PALIN TO HER SHOW TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES REGARDING WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
JUST LIKE IMAS ON MSNBC, WE NEED TO CLOSE DOWN LETTERMAN. IT'S NECESSARY TO TAKE A STAND EVEN WHEN YOU THINK YOU ARE ALONE.
I SUPPORT SARAH PALIN ON THIS MATTER.

Posted by: sm98yth | June 13, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah,just look at the stupidity that grows like weeds in the minds of the ignorant.
trombonist? are you really stupid enough to believe everything a leftist loon reporter writes? do not bother to look for facts,just be a hypocrite,and add fuel to the fires of hate. the fact people wereyelling at sarahs convention,was a sign they had enough sense to realize what we are learning now about our socialist leader,the puppet owned by the elite.
why dont you take a minuate to google search theobamadeception.com look at news clip,and wake up. time to take the right pill,and live outside the matrix.

Posted by: silusdogood | June 13, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Dave should apologize AFTER Palin apologizes to prominent AA tromobonist Gregory Royal for her (alleged) unfortunate social encounter with him (as reported by journalist Charley James of laprogressive.com).

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/17/is-sarah-palin-a-racist-well-she-ended-our-conversation-when-she-learned-i-was-black/

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 13, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Sarah I love you

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Get a towel and take it offline, this is creepy

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 13, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Dave is a hater and full of rage. It is time for him to go when he makes insulting jokes to hurt and not to be funny. There is nothing funny about attending a charity function to help others by raising money.

Posted by: quilter3 | June 13, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

It is time for David to go. That joke about Palin was way out of line. When you are working to raise money for a charity, there is nothing to joke about. He is a hater. He is full of rage. Sarah I love you

Posted by: quilter3 | June 13, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

She incites people to violence. Witness her political rallies in Florida where people yelled "kill him" referring to Obama.

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... and she smiled

When it was revealed that her "palling around with terrorists" remarks had caused an increase in death threats to Obama's family, she starting saying it more.

She is inexpressibly loathsome.

As for the remark, she and Todd paraded the unmarried couple around like a pair of bowling trophies. Levi and Bristol had spats on live TV. Levi's mother got busted for meth. An unwed mother shilled for abstinence-only education. This was like those two adjacent towns named Fertile and Climax, a joke waiting to be told. Get bloody real

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

SimonDS: Accuracy in expression is one of life's highest virtues. There is no pedantry in pointing out an incorrect usage. I for one appreciate it.

-- a fellow lexophile

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Small point of word usage regarding Sen. McCaskill's use of Twitter against your advice or "blatantly flaunts," as you put it. The verb you might consider using instead is "flouts." Pardon the pedantry.

Posted by: simondsj001 | June 12, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Dick Morris (born November 28, 1948) is an American political author and commentator who previously worked as a pollster, political campaign consultant, and general political consultant, and appears regularly on the Fox News Channel for political commentary.

Morris went on to become campaign manager of Bill Clinton's successful 1996 bid for re-election to the office of President.

His tenure on that campaign was cut short two months before the election, when it was revealed that he had allowed a prostitute to listen in on conversations with the President.

On August 29, 1996, Morris resigned from the Clinton campaign after reports surfaced that he had been involved with a prostitute.

A tabloid newspaper had obtained and published a set of photographs of Morris and the woman on a Washington, D.C., hotel balcony.

Morris then turned his focus to media commentary.


Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

471 comments about a dirty joke. I don't mean Letterman's comment. I mean Palin.
She incites people to violence. Witness her political rallies in Florida where people yelled "kill him" referring to Obama.
She would have done well in the Third Reich.

Posted by: seemstome | June 12, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Dick Morris is an angry little man! Looks like he needs his gin...

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, quote... "people start rising up"

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

i just got home (i live in the pacific northwest where the palins are well known for their exhibitionism but that's not the point) after attending a security briefing because of the holocaust museum murder and the hate crime it highlighted. i am STUNNED that more comments are generated by alaskans who preen in front of cameras than the subject of hate in this country. shame on all of you! i didn't see the letterman program, just the apology. (i switched, in fact, to colbert, who was rallying the troops in iraq - ironically, in his faux persona.) entertainment is just that. but hatred? this is something important....i speak from experience, by the way. seattle was a target a few years ago and we have yet to recover.

Posted by: davidarosy1 | June 12, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I am a fan of Letterman and enjoyed seeing his show live in March. I do think he went too far with his jokes about Palin's family, though -- while Dave admitted the jokes were tasteless, it would have been more accurate to say that they were mean spirited.

Having said that, Palin's perpetuating response is over the top because Letterman was doing jokes, not serious commentary. Each time she speaks on this topic, thereby keeping it in the news, she seems more and more self serving at the expense of the family she is purportedly trying to protect.

Posted by: jrosco3 | June 12, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

why can't Palin figure out that she should jab, jab, duck and dodge and come back with a heavy right...

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

When she heard that Obama had triumphed over Clinton in the primaries she said aloud in a diner "Sambo beat the b*tch."

That's our Sarah. Snake-handling potty-mouthed low-class nutbar.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

CARRIE PREJEAN AND SARAH PALIN... WHAT A COUPLE OF DOOSIES...

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

DUHHH get a clue... she's a traveling circus. John McCain created a monster... lol.

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She was already a monster.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

WHAT TOPIC ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? DUDE THIS A BONAFIDE JOKE! THE WHOLE STORY!
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Back on topic:Whose side are you on?Sarah Palin 81.81% (110,538 votes)David Letterman 18.19% (24,578 votes) 135,116 voteshttp://www.usmagazine.com/news/levi-johnston-david-letterman-crossed-line-with-palin-joke-2009126Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 6:22 PM |________________________
Action Comics:99.13 Palin.87 Letterman
That proves it--whatever "it" is. Posted by: broadwayjoe

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

For those who don't buy groceries at 7-11, US Magazine is one those that sells alongside The Enquirer, Star, and so on. It's a celebrity "newspaper" and that its readers support Palin is no surprise at all, they're soap-opera watchers for whom the TV characters are real.

Some source. Heh heh heh.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Letterman's has some kind of vendetta against Sarah Palin.

(((((He has done more jokes about her)))))

most of them bad, then any other female politician. Posted by: gerrypooh
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DUHHH get a clue... she's a traveling circus. John McCain created a monster... lol.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Back on topic:

Whose side are you on?

Sarah Palin 81.81% (110,538 votes)

David Letterman 18.19% (24,578 votes)

135,116 votes

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/levi-johnston-david-letterman-crossed-line-with-palin-joke-2009126

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 6:22 PM |
________________________
Action Comics:
99.13 Palin
.87 Letterman
That proves it--whatever "it" is.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 12, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I hope Palin sues Letterman and his Pants Productions. Posted by: JakeD
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please sue Palin please....

Sarah Palin was at the Yankee's game. and her daughter was knocked up by a-rod...
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key word... "her daughter"

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Letterman's comments were vile and completely over the top. Letterman's has some kind of vendetta against Sarah Palin. He has done more jokes about her, most of them bad, then any other female politician. This only confirms my decision two years ago to stop watching him on TV.

Posted by: gerrypooh | June 12, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Xin lỗi, "được"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

But at the end of the day she's a vicious and stupid woman, utterly toxic to our political discourse, and violently dangerous to the world if she ever by some freakish fluke managed to get within reach of real power.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 7:22 PM
__________________
What CF8 said.

It is so disappointing that the MSM is again chasing a fake controversy created by the Yahoo community. Phalin would be challenged to qualify for a job as "fries consultant" at Mickey Ds yet the MSM has no problem presenting her as qualified to be President. By contrast, they play along with the Fox News Yahoos by questioning the intellectual merit of Judge Sonia, who graduated No. 2 from Princteon and has more federal judicial experience than any S.Ct. nominee has had in 100 years.

Journalist Charley James got the lowdown on Phalin last year by, unlike the MSM, actually going to Alaska and interviewing everyday people who know her. What he found was disturbing.

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 12, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Chị ấy không có thẻ kiện Letterman dược. Chỉ là người công, và anh là thằng ngốc, không là luật sư!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

David Letterman sending a team to alaska to investigate the Palin's and their life style. This is going to be some great t.v. for the next few weeks. Letterman has nothing to lose and everything to gain. If Letterman can keep Palin focused on "domestic" gender differences and belittlement of woman by men issue's. Good for you Dave, you are doing your country a great service.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I hope Palin sues Letterman and his Pants Productions.

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, Quote... "the thread throughout our culture".

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Don't any of you right-wingers seem to get that Letterman was taking at least as much a shot at serial adulterers A-Rod and Eliot Spitzer (DEMOCRAT)? Is THIS all you have to hang your GOP hat on anymore?

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I think it's kinda funny that they're so defensive about Palin. She doesn't deserve it and the hoops they try to jump through to make her look good ("Lincoln never went to college NEITHER!!") are a riot.

But at the end of the day she's a vicious and stupid woman, utterly toxic to our political discourse, and violently dangerous to the world if she ever by some freakish fluke managed to get within reach of real power.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less about A-Rod and Spitzer -- and neither "Larry Sinclair" nor "affirmative action baby" are new topics either -- I'm just saying that ALL children of politicians should be off-limits.

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

pcpatterson:

I am not proposing rape "jokes" about them -- the Obamas DID parade Sasha and Malia around Access Hollywood, etc. though -- so any other "jokes" related to that are OK, right? For instance, maybe a "joke" about Larry Sinclair being their real father, or something about "affirmative action baby"?

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 5:22 PM
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you're showing your ignorance. Letterman's joke, while in poor taste, did not exactly explore new territory---it's not as if underage, unwed pregnancy is unknown to the Palin family.

As far as the presidential daughters go, if Obama trots them out and cites them as examples of how important it is to do well in school and it turns out that they're "D" students, then a joke about that subject would be "fair game".

Don't any of you right-wingers seem to get that Letterman was taking at least as much a shot at serial adulterers A-Rod and Eliot Spitzer (DEMOCRAT)? Is THIS all you have to hang your GOP hat on anymore?

Posted by: pcpatterson | June 12, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Both Republicans and Democrats want Palin to run for president. Isn't it just grand that both parties agree on something?

Heh heh heh.

Too bad Obama is so unfailingly polite in debates, even while McCain was acting like such a spoiled jerk .. he could utterly mop the floor with Sarah.

But no matter how idiotic she is, the GOP loyalists will say she "kicked ass."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Back on topic:

Whose side are you on?

Sarah Palin 81.81% (110,538 votes)

David Letterman 18.19% (24,578 votes)

135,116 votes

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/levi-johnston-david-letterman-crossed-line-with-palin-joke-2009126

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou: I think you forgot the crystal meth and the pasting of Limbaugh remarks into blogs

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! I'm sure a lot of right-wingers want to bomb FoxNews and the Weekly Standard -- denial is not just a river in Egypt -- as hard as it is to admit that some left-wingers are, indeed, anti-Semetic, that is the first step to recovery.

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

nurses to each other in the break room:

"¡más pendejos Republicos!"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

This is the usual Manufactured Outrage! from the right-wing noise machine, plain and simple. But what else should we expect from Palin, she's desperate to keep herself in the spotlight. Palin is doing nothing but reminding people what a bunch of know-nothing morons (JakeD) Republicans are.

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I give them 12 years before they learn that they need to move left and let the knucklewalkers go hang.

And even then it will only be because what's left of the base is in nursing homes, ranting to the nurses about Obama's birth certificate.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8,
This is the usual Manufactured Outrage! from the right-wing noise machine, plain and simple. But what else should we expect from Palin, she's desperate to keep herself in the spotlight. Palin is doing nothing but reminding people what a bunch of know-nothing morons (JakeD) Republicans are.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 12, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

So Letterman got her a few more days of exposure, and probably boosted his own ratings significantly.

Sarah Palin doesn't gain from exposure, because unfortunately she speaks.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

also Sarah Palin:
.
"Blah blah blah, poor me, blah blah, watch me get my 15 minutes out of this fake outrage, blah blah blah, poor me."


Posted by: DrainYou | June 12, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Wingnut Day Planner - June 12, 2009:
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-Condemn David Letterman for saying something that's not nearly as bad as what their own right-wing gasbags say on a daily basis


-Collect teabags for upcoming teabagger parties


-Assert that the right-wing domestic terrorist Holocaust Museum Killer is a lefty.


-Listen to Rush


-Listen to Hannity


-Listen to Levin


-Dress in drag and dance in front of the mirror


-Brush what's left of their teeth


- Open beer and start crying

Posted by: DrainYou | June 12, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Should CBS Fire Letterman? Top N.Y. legislator thinks so, tells CBS chief to fire late night host for crude comments about Palin's daughter:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526055,00.html

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The fact that she appears in so many photos with that smug perky little-girl face can't be helping her to be taken seriously.

And oh, her looks are starting to go. Too many outdoor appearances in the sun for a trowel full of makeup to fix anymore.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

This is a woman (Palin) who when it became apparent that her inaccurate "Pallin' around with Terrorists" BS was causing death threats against the Obama family to spike....she decided to ramp it up.


Palin is a narcissist and she's trying to raise her own profile by engaging in a "celebrity feud" with David Letterman.


Your 15 minutes are up Palin, go away!

Posted by: DrainYou | June 12, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

LOL!!! I just read through all ten (10) "racist" statements. You probably think that Trent Lott's a racist for simply telling the truth about Strom Thurmond too -- none of those are "racist" statements -- you can even ask "chrisfox8".

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Until the mouth-breathing Repuglican knuckle-draggers clean up the hate talk coming from their own back yard (Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly etc) no one is going to take seriouly their fake outrage over something David Letterman says

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I wasn't aware anyone was.

I'm sure the people who man the phones at Mars Candy are holding them away from their ears while the rant goes on, making some polite and perfunctory response, and writing down a little vertical stroke, every fifth one aslant through the last four.

Yawn.

Anyone in the PR business has by now learned to ignore right-wing campaigns as manufactured and fake.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I didn't like it, but it wasn't a Lenny Bruce moment. I wonder if Letterman feels the heat from the new latenight lineup on the other network.. seems a little imposing..

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 12, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Until the mouth-breathing Repuglican knuckle-draggers clean up the hate talk coming from their own back yard (Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly etc) no one is going to take seriouly their fake outrage over something David Letterman says:


Bill-O:
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/bill-oreilly-has-dr-george-tillers-b


ChickenHawk Seany:
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/05/06/is_hannity_inciting_civil_war.php


Mullah Limbaugh:
http://newsone.blackplanet.com/obama/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

Posted by: DrainYou | June 12, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

I thought that you were "ignoring" me?

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

pcpatterson:

I am not proposing rape "jokes" about them -- the Obamas DID parade Sasha and Malia around Access Hollywood, etc. though -- so any other "jokes" related to that are OK, right? For instance, maybe a "joke" about Larry Sinclair being their real father, or something about "affirmative action baby"?

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Jake D,

as soon as Obama and/or his wife start parading their daughters around as pillars of the community for taking a fetus to term to score points with their "base", then they are fair game. Until then, get a life.

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You're looking at it

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Jake D,

as soon as Obama and/or his wife start parading their daughters around as pillars of the community for taking a fetus to term to score points with their "base", then they are fair game. Until then, get a life.

Posted by: pcpatterson | June 12, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

For the record, at least nine of those ethics complaints have been dismissed already (not to mention that the FEC determined no law / campaign regulation had been broken re: her wardrobe expenditures).

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news31.aspx

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news27.aspx

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news25.aspx

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, HuffPo is reporting: "Gov. Sarah Palin refused to commit to running not just for the 2012 Republican presidential candidacy but also for reelection as governor of Alaska, during an interview on Friday."

Though the MSM hasn't bothered to mention it, Mrs. Phalin still has pending, we think, more than 10 ethics charges against her in Alaska. Maybe that contributed to her indecision about running for anything. Who knows.

O-Nation is rooting for Mrs. Todd Phalin to be the GOP nominee for president in 2012. You betcha. Wink. Wink. __________

BTW, George H. Bush (Bush 1) is telling the haters to lay off Judge Sonia, according to HuffPo. Let's see if they listen to their elders.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 12, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't look like Palin has learned that not all attention is good attention. Not all that ironic given that her supporters suffer from the same misapprehension

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"bearing"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

It seems ironic to me for a man that fathered a bastard himself to judge another for baring a child out of wedlock.

Posted by: gregwadealaska | June 12, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Contact Letterman's other Advertisers too. Tell them they do NOT want their products associated with entertainers who use sexism and jokes about child rape and pregnancy for laughs.

Olive Garden: 1-800-331-2729 and (advertising dept.): 212-546-2083

M&M Mars Candy: 1-973-691-3536, 1-800-627-7852, (703) 821-4900
FAX: 1-973-691-3536, 703-448-9678

Hellman’s Mayonnaise: 1-800-418-3275

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

And to think of all the time I wasted responding to this cretin

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

mattadamsdietmanager1014:

First of all, OPRAH was the one who refused to allowed her on the show -- at this point, Gov. Palin should not go on ANY show she disagrees with to avoid giving them more ratings -- instead she should go on every show competing against Dave and Oprah.

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin made a stupid move NOT going ON The Oprah Winfrey Show. Palin could have used her appearance Oprah to her advantage. Dumb move on her part not to appear.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | June 12, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Tonisongbird34:

So, all bets are off re: Sasha and Malia Obama then?

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

sltiowa:

Honestly in the public realm there's not much difference between making a joke about being ugly and making one about someone getting knocked up. Both are pretty tasteless and not appropriate for someone's daughter. And it's not like no one isn't agreeing it wasn't tasteless and uncalled for. The public opinion is definately that he shouldn't have done it. There's not any hypocrasy except that it's not always extended equally: see Chelsea Clinton and Amy Carter and even John McCain's daughter and Dick Cheney's daughter. I really think the only hypocrasy is that the public let that go on too long, and only now is becoming upset with it.

I never once said Palin was wrong for being angry. Every mom would be insulted and probably the girls feel very hurt and embarassed much like I expect any young girl would be. I said I didn't think it was a classy way to handle it to start accusing him of saying 'statutory rape' which he did not in the joke say that, and then getting over the top about it. It's trashy to act that way especially when it's just going to put the child in the middle of it more because you're continuing this.

Posted by: mtcooley | June 12, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING:
If Palin doesn't want the attention, which includes jokes about her family, then get out of politics. She doesn't belong there anyway. GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT SARAH and take your disfunctional family with you.

Posted by: Tonisongbird34 | June 12, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING:
If Palin doesn't want the attention, which includes jokes about her family, then get out of politics. She doesn't belong there anyway. GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT SARAH and take your disfunctional family with you.

Posted by: Tonisongbird34 | June 12, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

She hasn't been a great governor. The legislature seldom sees her in Juneau, they can't get a hold of her. She is always out at some rally or traveling to see the adoring masses. She really belongs on TV, not in politics.

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And when after she and McCain lost election last November she was riding high on recognition among the nasties, with 80,000 people forming groups to support her and rally around her nasty small-town politics. She had hundreds of requests for speaking engagements and other opportunities to promote herself and her politics, something she's hardly averse to doing.

But nothing happened.

It wasn't lack of will, or any desire to withdraw from the public eye (Sarah Palin?), it was sheer executive incompetence.

Yeah, give her a commentator spot on Fox News. Then the loyal viewers could meet online after each show and try to decipher what she just said.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

(From from http://www.usmagazine.com ):

Whose side are you on?

Sarah Palin 76.22%
33279 votes

David Letterman 23.78%
10385 votes

43664 votes

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Marmashi:

Was WILLOW Palin "fair game" too?

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I think David Letterman was over the line, but you can also see why he thought Bristol's "unmarried motherhood" status was fair game. The RNC made it OK even though their party line is "abstinence only" so that Sarah's running with McCain could go forward. I think Sarah Palin is a selfish politician who loves the perks and the attention. She also loves a good fight. Look at her record. She will relentlessly go after anyone who crosses her. She hasn't been a great governor. The legislature seldom sees her in Juneau, they can't get a hold of her. She is always out at some rally or traveling to see the adoring masses. She really belongs on TV, not in politics. Why doesn't Fox News just hire her. She could pull in the viewers to hear her rants. I never watch that channel so I would be FREE,FREE I tell you.

Posted by: Marmashi | June 12, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I hear that making fun of former drunks attending AA is hilarious too.

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

... Sarah Palin is exhibiting our well honed and well documented penchant for self promotion. She is using her children to promote her political ambitions and her political agenda. That is just as bad as anything Dave said.

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More to the point, if the Palins hadn't paraded Bristol as the spokeswoman for abstinence-only sex education and as a grotesque extension of their anti-abortion creed then she would not be the butt of jokes. To use America's most famous unwed mother as the poster-girl for an approach to sexual responsibility that *doesn't work* is an invitation to ridicule.

Not to mention trying to promote such a vicious and brainless woman as presidential timber.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Letterman probably should have censored himself. But Sarah Palin is exhibiting our well honed and well documented penchant for self promotion. She is using her children to promote her political ambitions and her political agenda. That is just as bad as anything Dave said.

Posted by: texlib | June 12, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

dyst:

If only "perfect" people ran for political office ...

sltiowa:

Like I said, you won't get anywhere trying to reason with that one. He's a homosexual atheist.

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Not only WAY over the line but NOT IN THE LEAST FUNNY.

I have no love of the Governor (I think she's an idiot), or any of her family but Letterman, you lost it on this one. Clean up your act apologize, and DON'T EVER DO ANYTHING THIS STUPID AGAIN.

Posted by: xtrump42 | June 12, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I still think a great way to erode your daughter's self esteem is to join a national election/media effort when you know your daughter is unmarried, pregnant, and in high school. Poor Bristol, I hope she gets some of her mom's political money and runs away from home, taking that cute baby, and raising it right.

Posted by: dyst | June 12, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox,

When Letterman defended his joke he read what he said on the air and said of course I was referencing Bristol; however, he never actually read his full joke since he forgot the lead-up to his punch line “during the 7th inning stretch.” Yes the joke is predicated on Bristol’s past of being a teenage mom; however, Letterman was referring to her younger daughter attending the game with her. His joke was about Willow and not Bristol. It was a pathetic joke and in poor taste. He should have just apologized and got over it. But he has too much pride in admitting he was wrong and stepped over the line. It is you and he who have “Create your own reality”. I guess your reality is filled with virtual truth and logic.

Posted by: sltiowa | June 12, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

bsanchez1:

I have noticed that Stephen Colbert is not as quick to attack a Democrat in the Oval Office either ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Years ago Dave Letterman was a nice kid from middle America who let New York City have its usual effect: seeking validation from the pseudo-sophisticates who inhabit the executive suits on 5th avenue and the lofts in Greenwich Village. His basic problem is that he (and his writers) wake up each morning and read that left-wing rag, the New York Times, instead of the more reasonable Washington Post. His bias has been evident for years in his regular vicious trashing of George W. Bush. In contrast, his longtime late-night rival Jay Leno was much more evenhanded -- and equal-opportunity humorist who skewered liberals and conservatives alike. By the way, the same "Manhattan Syndrome" seems to have afflicted Jon Stewart and many others in the New York-based media.

Posted by: bsanchez1 | June 12, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

14 year-old Willow (not Bristol) was the only Palin child in attendance at the Yankee game being "joked" about. CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT! Even if it was about Bristol, it was still unacceptable.

(from Today Show this morning):

"It was a degrading comment about a young woman. I would hope that people really start rising up and deciding it's not acceptable. No wonder young girls especially have such low self-esteem in America when we think it's funny for a so-called comedian to get away with being able to make such a remark as he did and to think that that's acceptable," Palin said.

...

When NBC's Matt Lauer pressed Palin on the latter half of her spokeswoman's response "to keep Willow away" from Letterman, Palin said that was not in bad taste.

"I connect the dots to a degrading statement made about young women and that does contribute to some acceptance of abuse of young women," Palin said in defense of that statement before going on to explain that it can be interpreted in many ways.

"Take it however you want to take it. It is a comment that came from the heart that Willow, no doubt, would want to stay away after he made such a comment," she said.

In her interview, Palin said that Letterman does not owe her an apology.

"He doesn't have to apologize to me. I would like to see him apologize to young women across the country for contributing to that thread that is throughout our culture that makes it sound like it's ok to talk about young girls that way."

Gov. Palin was apparently pleased to see women organizations speaking out against the comments and then proceeded to read from her BlackBerry an e-mail she received from someone she described as not a typical feminist. "Every male organization. . . should rise up and shout in defense of their daughters, their sisters, their mothers," Palin read to NBC's Lauer.

...

Palin went on to describe a second double standard as the "acceptance of a celebrity being able to get away with a disparaging comment that does erode a young girl's self esteem and does contribute to some of the problems we have in society."

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Letterman vs. Palin

This is looking more like a career busting fight between Letterman and Palin.

That pitbull is not letting go. hahahaha

Dave will have to come out with his big guns now... My money is on Dave Letterman.

Palin, I think shyt her own nest now...

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Another hallmark of our gooper trolls: the shameless and undisguised repetition of lies.

That Letterman was referring to the knocked-up Palin daughter is only disputed by a few liars who haven't figured out yet that the Reality-Based Community triumphed over the Create-Our-Own-Reality crowd. They still think they can foment outrage and manipulate perception with endlessly-repeated lies.

It's not working, guys.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States, to Stanley Ann Dunham, a Caucasian American of mainly English descent from Wichita, Kansas, and Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya.

Obama's parents met in 1960 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where his father was a foreign student on scholarship.

The couple married on February 2, 1961, and Barack was born later that year.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Mtcooly,

Let me get this right. You think referencing statutory rape and calling someone ugly are equivalent. If someone on the right was to call President Obama’s girls ugly using an African American stereotype joke (i.e., Imus), I do not think the left or you for that matter would sit mouth shut. There would be great denunciation of the joke, yet since Letterman is a great fan of the left there is silence or in other words hypocrisy.

Posted by: sltiowa | June 12, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Those of us who've watched Letterman for years understand that his reference was not to Palin's younger daughter but Bristol Palin. Granted, this was not one of Letterman's better comedic moments and, it is regretful that in making these remarks he has given Sarah Palin and company, further opportunity to remain on stage.
This woman trashes whomever she can but when the least is said about her she coils and strikes like a viper, never failing to leave a trail of incendiary and undeserving swipes. Is she capable of auto-criticism. How many mothers would bring their daughter on national TV holding their baby brother atop a trailing blanket in an effort to conceal her pregnant pouch (this was total deception and dishonesty on Palin's part), while she, Palin is announced John McCain's running mate - she's handed the mike and immediately begins hurling vicious propaganda at McCain's opponent, never considering her lies. Months later after her revealing interview with Katie Couric to spew more venom in an attempt to crucify Katie for her own inarticulate responses. She wants the Press and the likes to keep hands off but yet she encourages her daughter to come forth as National spokes person championing abstinence. Isn't it a little late? Commentors on this blog, ponder why or what if Letterman's humour (failed as it were this time) had been aimed at Chelsea Clinton or Sasha and Malia Obama - this question is a no-brainer - one needs only to look at the two mothers (Hilary and Michelle). To support Palin's politics is a personal choice but to support her claim to high moral ground is ludicrous and does her more harm than good.

Posted by: vikkiericks | June 12, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

President, Barak H. Obama's, education:

Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review.

He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and also taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004.

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988. He was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review at the end of his first year, and president of the journal in his second year.

During his summers, he returned to Chicago, where he worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990. After graduating with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago. Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review gained national media attention and led to a publishing contract and advance for a book about race relations, though it evolved into a personal memoir.
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Sarah Palin's, education:

After graduating from high school in 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College in Honolulu. She left after one semester and transferred to North Idaho College, a community college in Coeur d'Alene, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major in 1983.

In August 1984, she transferred to the University of Idaho in Moscow, where her older brother, Charles W. Heath, was majoring in education.

After two semesters at UI, Palin returned to Alaska and attended Matanuska-Susitna College, a community college in Palmer, for one term in the fall of 1985.

She returned to the University of Idaho in January 1986, where she spent three semesters completing her bachelor's degree in communications-journalism, graduating in May 1987.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

What is it with you goopers that you have to see everyone as occupying one extreme outlying postion or the opposite?

Anyone who criticizes Israel's illegal settlements or apartheid government is labeled "anti-Semitic" and as on the side of the ugliest Muslim radicals.

Anyone against the extremes of executive-enriching inefficient "free-market" capitalism is identified with the most extreme statist controls of Stalin.

And anyone who thinks the Palins get what they deserve is identified with the joker who made the remarks.

Last time I watched television, Johnny Carson was still doing the Tonight Show. I don't turn into a houseplant for six hours a day like a lot of you guys and I still barely have time to study the things I want to learn more about. I've never seen Letterman other than in a still photo, I would probably throw my shoe at the set if I watched him for five minutes. But I think the Palins deserve every biut of ridicule thrown their way.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

sltiowa.m_fFlags |= FLAG_LYING_GOOPER_TROOL;

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely love the short term memory problems people have. They keep saying that they never would have said this about Clinton's daughter but I guess I must have been the only one awake during that time because I do remember how horribly cruel they were to her. I distinctly remember how ugly, plain, and disgusting they thought she was.

I also know they said many same things towards a young Amy Carter in the White House.

I'd ask people go and refresh their memories if they think this sort of thing is anything new. It's tasteless and uncalled for but it's by no means the same as the Imus comments (of which he was a repeat offender)that weren't actually meant as jokes. This was meant as a joke, and while tasteless as it is there's not a law against telling a bad joke. Frankly at least people have gotten better about calling out against it. Back when they were doing it to Clinton's girl there was nowhere near these many people complaining about it.

Posted by: mtcooley | June 12, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

sltiowa:

You won't get anywhere trying to reason with that one. If this is how the libs want to play, then all bets are off as to Sasha, Malia, and even little Harry Letterman ...

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=harry%20letterman&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox,

“As for Bristol, she may be a daughter but at 18 she is also legally an adult, able to vote and go to war, and for an proudly unwed mother to parade around cashing in on Mom's notoriety to promote the abstinence-only education that failed so spectacularly in her case is to not only invite ridicule but pay for the postage too.

Give me a break with the outrage, These people are asking for it.”

I suppose you did not hear his comment for he said her daughter was knocked up during the 7th inning stretch and the daughter attending that game with her was Willow a 14 year old. I suggest you do some homework or are you too busy fixing other people code. I thought you were the liberal who despised R since they know no truth or logic. If you write code as well as you blog then our future software is in big trouble. Please as Palin said the comment was pathetic and your ability to justify it lacks both truth and logic.

Posted by: sltiowa | June 12, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Letterman was totally out of line and why is this senile individual not removed from TV at least for 6 months like one radio personality was. Unless the 14 old who was in NY is shielded by the society we will continue to hear this kind of TRASH.We will not tolerate this, will he have the balls to say same about Clinton's daughter,Obama's daughter, Katie Couric's daughter. He will be in jail or worse.

Posted by: dadbarman | June 12, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Bristol did her NYC tour last month touting abstinence?

I like that the event was promoted by the Candie's Foundation - in case you are unaware Candies markets clothing to "tweens" which make them look - shall we say - more "grown up"?

Then in the Candie's "Foundation" drive "against teen pregnancy" they market t-shirts to young girls - "I'm so sexy I can make you wait!"

...and anyone wonders why the Pallin's are the butt of jokes?

Posted by: toritto | June 12, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

As freaking nasty as Palin was during the presidential campaign I really don't see why anyone should take her crocodile tears the remotest bit seriously. And her husband is a far-right gun-collecting seccessionist freak who wouldn't even be allowed in the White House if the freakishness had extended to Palin winning executive office.

As for Bristol, she may be a daughter but at 18 she is also legally an adult, able to vote and go to war, and for an proudly unwed mother to parade around cashing in on Mom's notoriety to promote the abstinence-only education that failed so spectacularly in her case is to not only invite ridicule but pay for the postage too.

Give me a break with the outrage, These people are asking for it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Where is the outrage from groups such as NOW & other women groups? These remarks would never be allowed if they were said about Clinton's daughter or Obama's daughters. I think there is a double standard here. All politicians are fair game, none of their children should be considered fair game. Also, what kind of example is Letterman for his son?

Posted by: blairatthepark | June 12, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

So if comedians made crude, tasteless "jokes" about the Obama girls, will all of those who think this type of "humor" is acceptable defend comedians' right to joke about sexual innuendos aimed at the Obama children? Or, would that be tagged as racist when it's actually misogynistic?

I fear that too many people don't understand that permissive comments such as these devalue all women and girls. It's too bad that many feminists don't see that disrespectful remarks about any female is unacceptable.

Letterman crossed the line and owes a stronger apology than I think he will offer.

Posted by: annetta3 | June 12, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: warnerme | June 12, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

So was Imus just as funny when he made fun of the girls basketball team. No, that was not PC but Letterman (who I've lost all respect for) is. I think if he said something similar about the young Obama girls old Dave would be looking for a new job!

Posted by: michaelbarrows | June 12, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

SP not the sort of mother I am. I'd proudly find another way to make money w/o making my kids targets for right and left wing media frenzy. Her choices make her a controversial role model as a mother.

Still, SP'll make millions in book sales for her adventures in politics, so she'll be able to continue to support her husband and kids and find careers and jobs for them. She seems to like being this type of parent/spouse. Just hope she keeps them off the public dole...a behavior which she portends to dislike

Posted by: dyst | June 12, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Letterman invited Todd Palin to appear on his show. I would like to see Letterman tell Todd the comment about his daughter was meant to be for the 18 year old and not the 14 year old as if that made it okay. The Media bias is on full display in this case. Remember Chelse Clinton (who is what 28) went on the stump by her self to political rallies and promoted her mother's position in the recent election. The Media did not ask Chelse tough questions after one member of the media had the audacity to be a journalist and ask the most relevent question of all; which was what was her reaction to her Dad's Scandal in the Oval Office with an intern. Chelse was protected but Sarah's family and Sarah have been savaged. Sarah has the audacity to be some one not beholden to the Washington lobbies and old time politics of both the Republican Party and the Demoncats. Sarah came on to the scene right after Obama's Democrat Party Presidential Acceptance Concert. Sarah is a better orator, more chrismatic, and more experienced in executive management, business and national defense. It was clear that she was being compared to OBAMA and had to be destroyed. Sarah is capable of delivering an intelligent speech with out a teleprompter. We now will have to refer to the Media as either the Obama Media or the Government Media. I would like to see Letterman talk his filth about the ladies of the Palin Family to Todd Palin.

Posted by: kc4WV | June 12, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

David Letterman should not apologize. He is a comedian who makes jokes about politicians currently in the spotlight. This is nothing out of the ordinary for comedians and tv personalities alike. If comedians had to apologize for every joke they made that may be deemed out of line, comedians would no longer be talk show hosts. Palin is just using this to her advantage to advance her political career. Unfortunately for her it is going to have the exact opposite result she was intending to achieve.

If she wants to be in the national spotlight, she is going to have to grow some thick skin. This is a lesson she should have learned through the course of presidential election. Families of politicians are unfortunately collateral damage. Ask Chelsea Clinton about that.

Do I think the children of politicians should be fair game? Not really. However, it would be hard as a comedian to stay away from the Bristol topic considering she is an unwed mother promoting abstinence. From a pure comedic standpoint, that is a subject to garner easy laughs.

Posted by: armyspouse | June 12, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

As Steve Martin once said, "Comedy is not pretty."

It was the Palins who dropped their kids into the shark tank of the public realm, which is where the likes of Leno, Letterman, and Conan feed freely. And an 18-year old is an adult, so I guess Bristol is technically fair game.

But, still, this joke makes me cringe. It's easy to poke fun at the Palins - so easy that it's hard to know when you've crossed the line. Adult or not, teenagers getting knocked up is not very funny.

Otherwise, I think Letterman is hilarious.

Posted by: dognabbit | June 12, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the joke was over the line, and Letterman's apology was a mish-mash, but the right wingers have done worse, not just with their words, but with their actions. Palin has a right to politicize it for all it's worth (remember Clinton and Sista Souljah?)---but it ain't worth much. And if I was A-Rod, I'd be offended, too, if I was associated with anyone from the Palin family.

Posted by: maris9 | June 12, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Shouldn't Todd be more upset at Levi? Levi was the one to cause the real damage.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 2:00 AM | Report abuse

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Wrong. Levi just supplied the di.ck.

The parents, not taking care of their daughter by teaching her the birds and bees, did the real damage.

Hell, wasn't Mom knocked up when she and dad tied the knot ? What's the big issue ? I know a lot of people that hastened a planned marriage because the stork arrived early.

The issue here is Palin's so called "let's all get right with God attitude, teach 'em that they should keep their legs crossed until it's time for marriage" routine. What a bunch of cr.ap. It doesn't work, never did, never will when you have healthy, curious teenagers and a trailer park upbringing. (It also happens in so-called "good" families, but Christ, these people look and act like something off of Springer.)

Besides, Mom threw her kid under the bus when she accepted something that she was so unqualified for.

Posted by: dennissuper | June 12, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Sorry - I copied the article from the Anchorage newspaper:

NEW YORK -- Bristol Palin, arguably the nation's best-known unwed teen mother, embarked on a media tour Wednesday to argue that abstinence is a realistic way for teens to avoid unwanted pregnancy -- a view not shared by the father of her infant son.

Palin, the 18-year-old daughter of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, walked the red carpet in midtown Manhattan with Hayden Panettiere of NBC's "Heroes" and ace Tampa Bay Rays pitcher Matt Garza. The three appeared at a town-hall meeting for teenagers organized by The Candie's Foundation, which works to reduce teen pregnancy.

I like that the event was promoted by the Candie's Foundation - in case you are unaware Candies markets clothing to "tweens" which make them look - shall we say - more "grown up"?

Then in the Candie's "Foundation" drive "against teen pregnancy" they market t-shirts to young kids - "I'm so sexy I can make you wait!"

...and anyone wonders why the Pallin's are the butt of jokes?

Posted by: toritto | June 12, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Anyone think of what harm this does to A-Rod? Someone should appologise to him! And did the Letterman joke say RAPE? I believe it said "impregnated", something Sarah Palin knows does not always mean rape in an underaged girl.

Palin will do ANYTHING to stay in the public eye. I think she should be treated like Octomom, and ignored.

You put your kids out there, someone will comment on them. Especially if they become an unwed, teenaged mother or get threatened with jail. The children under the age of pregnancy or jail should be left alone. Maybe they should try not to do anything worthy of public notice?

What is next? What "crisis" will they face this weekend? Next week?

Posted by: catlady1 | June 12, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

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Palin, the 18-year-old daughter of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, walked the red carpet in midtown Manhattan with Hayden Panettiere of NBC's "Heroes" and ace Tampa Bay Rays pitcher Matt Garza. The three appeared at a town-hall meeting for teenagers organized by The Candie's Foundation, which works to reduce teen pregnancy.

I like that the event was promoted by the Candie's Foundation - in case you are unaware Candies markets clothing to "tweens" which make them look - shall we say - more "grown up"?

Then in the Candie's "Foundation" drive "against teen pregnancy" they market t-shirts to young kids - "I'm so sexy I can make you wait!"

...and anyone wonders why the Pallin's are the butt of jokes?

Posted by: toritto | June 12, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

People these days are looking for intellect as oppose to the old gut feeling ways. Instinct and common sense still applies but with alot of intellectual stimulation. (R) Party and Palin losing alot of ground and in a big hurry. Not to late to convert.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Nitwit vs. Mr. No-Wit -- who cares? Neither Palin nor Letterman has anything remotely intelligent to say.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | June 12, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Obama would have used the Letterman joke for his own personal positive benefit. Every opportunatey to show temperment is critical in winning new people over. Obama would have ceased the moment and stole some hearts. Obama and education, students love Obama.

why didn't Palin side step the 'joke' like she side step'd in the Biden debate and talk about shyt that matters to the country.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Letterman should be fired. Imus did half of this and everyone wanted his head. Letterman should step down; he is no longer funny.

Posted by: yokohlman | June 12, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Going back to the campaign, if I had a pregnant teenager and wanted to protect her privacy I would have turned down the chance to run for VP and saved my children from all of this discussion.

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this you hit squarely on the head. thats the obbsession with this whacko lady.

This is not normal behavior, mother and children relationship... just not normal.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I have watched David Letterman for a long time. His jokes may not always be high brow but they are never intentionally over the line. Does anybody honestly think he was going to make jokes about an underage child? David Letterman is a family man with a young child and a wife, he isn't some old pervert and to say otherwise is completely ridiculous.

The problem in this situation is that Sarah and Todd Palin take themselves way too seriously. I think it's rather ironic that Sarah Palin always wants to know why the media loves to talk about her so much when she is the one who puts herself in the news spotlight by calling out every news outlet that mentions her. These people love the spotlight and they love drama.

David Letterman is a comedian. He makes jokes for a living. A lot of the time, he makes jokes about current events. This time, he happened to make a joke that was in poor taste but Sarah Palin is not helping herself one bit by making this an issue. The absolute last thing she wants to do is call out David Letterman because he is a lot smarter and a lot funnier than her and he would win that battle easily.

Posted by: robbinsjoh | June 12, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

David Letterman and Bill Ayres have one thing in common; They both started out as "weathermen"

Posted by: vgailitis | June 12, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Dave told a joke about a famously silly (and chronically inappropriately dressed) politician just as Johnny Carson, Jack Paar, and Steve Allen used to make fun of other foolish celebrities thousands of times. Who cares about this drivel?
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Hey, "Fix," why no post about (or link in Fix Picks to) today's excellent op-ed by Eugene Robinson--you know, your Pulitzer Prize winning colleague at the Post--about the troubling link between the Von Brunn shooting (which occurred a cab ride from Post headquarters) and irresponsible rantings of hate broadcasting? Come to think of it, have you EVER linked to a Gene Robinson op-ed?

The DailyKos has TWO posts about Gene's piece and you have none? What's up with that?

An excerpt from Gene's widely discussed (except here apparently) column:

"For days, some conservative commentators tried mightily to paint [Napolitano's memo predicting rightwing domestic terrorism] as an underhanded attempt by the Obama administration to smear its honorable critics by equating "right-wing" with "terrorism." It made no difference to these loudmouths that the number of hate groups around the country has increased by more than 50 percent since 2000, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. It didn't matter that the memo was backed up by solid intelligence and analysis. For these infotainers, the point isn't to illuminate a subject with light but to blast it with heat.

And it wasn't just the Sean Hannitys, Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the world who pretended to be outraged. Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele accused the administration of trying "to segment out Americans who dissent from this administration, to segment out conservatives in this country who have a different philosophy or view from this administration, and labeling them as terrorists." Steele seems to have decided that telling the truth isn't nearly as important as the high-temperature exercise known as "firing up the base.""

Full story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/11/AR2009061103038.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 12, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

David Letterman and Bill Ayres share somethin in common....they both started theiur careers as "weathermen"!

Posted by: vgailitis | June 12, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Its called 'the David Letterman Show' for a reason. Letterman didn't disgrace me or my country. Let's hope the Palin's don't disgrace themselves anymore about this.

The Palin's could have got alot more ground if they had said nothing.
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Letterman should be fired. he has disgraced himself, the Palin family, and the country. His half azzed apology is a disgrace to intelligent people. Posted by: ltcsetser

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Move on people, nothing to see here. The only victim is Alex, he can do soooo much better.

Posted by: tck1 | June 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

No one at CBS - most especially Letterman - would make such a joke about a 14 year old. Obviously they wrongly assumed which daughter was with Palin at the game. Going back to the campaign, if I had a pregnant teenager and wanted to protect her privacy I would have turned down the chance to run for VP and saved my children from all of this discussion.

Posted by: lindambahlman | June 12, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Had Palin let it go, Letterman's joke would be forgotten. Her "outrage" is a transparent ploy to remain in the spotlight.

Posted by: Zachar | June 12, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse


Why should an entertainer be fired? His job is to amuse his audience. If his audience goes away, his ratings fall, and eventually he will be let go.

If you don't like what he says, don't watch him. The fact is, Letterman and Palin having a feud increases the visibility of both of them. That's why they play.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | June 12, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Why are Liberals so obsessed with Palin?

I don't agree with her but I admire what she's done with her life- 5 kids, good marriage, successful career. Posted by: bh150243
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I for one don't wake up in the morning saying... "lord please bring me some palin drama today"

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Letterman should be fired.
He is not funny - does nothing for this country yet he is a first class parasite.
He is arrogantly stupid and narcissistic.
Let him go because he has disgraced himself, the Palin family, and the country.
His half azzed apology is a disgrace to intelligent people.

Posted by: ltcsetser | June 12, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

David Letterman is not a funny man. He is not comedic, he is a shill for smart aleck wiseguys. There is a reason his network is in the toilet for ratings and he leads the pack for inadequacy. I expect their desired audience is the greater NY liberals; is this a large enough audience to sustain the expense of this verbal thug? Governor Palin's family is off limits, they may mock her (gosh she is an elected Governor and has experience as an elected official)but they (the lefties that want to marginalize her)only enhance her support by independents and conservatives in this country.

Posted by: rterry1 | June 12, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

The Palin spokesperson who said they need to keep Willow away from Letterman, essentially repeated the same joke Letterman was making about Spitzer.

So, even assuming Letterman was talking about 14yo Willow and not 18yo Bristol, if HE was denigrating Willow in that joke, then so is the spokesperson. Fire HER, Governor, since that is within your power to protect your children.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | June 12, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"The Palins have no intention of providing a ratings boost for David Letterman by appearing on his show.
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you should make the best out of the worst.
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Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman." (source: CNN Politics)
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Now... you know? and I know? and the real world knows? this is a bunch of bullshyt!
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I think that the last sentence especially means that Ms. Stapleton should apologize to Mr. Letterman for this remark, which is waaaaay over the line.
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Stapleton has handled other public embbarrassments for the Palin's. And each time Stapleton responded with a 'whacked out' response.
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Lastnight, Letterman said everything was all right now, between him and Sarah. Sarah invited him on a hunting trip.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

This is a win win win for all those involved:

Letterman is a comedian in the early stages of his new nightly competition with Leno's successor (what's his name?). He also has Colbert on his heels, channeling Bob Hope in Iraq. The joke was funny in a tasteless way and all this buzz must help his ratings.

Palin wins by being the indignant Mom, solidifying the GOP base.Though her indignation is a bit faux - she dragged her children as props into the spotlight, and now dislikes the shadows being cast.

the press and blogorati win because they have something light to talk about. Bodies at the Holacaust museum are a downer.

Posted by: dmooney | June 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

This is a win win win for all those involved:

Letterman is a comedian in the early stages of his new nightly competition with Leno's successor (what's his name?). He also has Colbert on his heels, channeling Bob Hope in Iraq. The joke was funny in a tasteless way and all this buzz must help his ratings.

Palin wins by being the indignant Mom, solidifying the GOP base.Though her indignation is a bit faux - she dragged her children as props into the spotlight, and now dislikes the shadows being cast.

the press and blogorati win because they have something light to talk about. Bodies at the Holacaust museum are a downer.

Posted by: dmooney | June 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Why are Liberals so obsessed with Palin?

I don't agree with her but I admire what she's done with her life- 5 kids, good marriage, successful career.

Letterman was WAY out of line. Can you imagine Letterman's joke about Malia Obama? Right...I can't either.

Posted by: bh150243 | June 12, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

“If they are not held accountable, these reporters who repeat lies and repeat distortions all in the name of hard news, then our nation is headed to a very scary place,” she said.
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this is Palin's response to a joke, these hillbillies be damned for any type of white house service.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Instead of focusing on this sideshow, why doesn't someone do some serious investigative reporting on who built the house in Wasilla for mayor Pallin just before the contract was awarded for the town's expensive hockey facility?

Posted by: donthedean | June 12, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Instead of focusing on this sideshow, why doesn't someone do some serious investigative reporting on who built the house in Wasilla for mayor Pallin just before the contract was awarded for the town's expensive hockey facility?

Posted by: donthedean | June 12, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

As a foreigner with a high interest in American politics, I think that Gov. Palin is overreacting and that it is a calculated move to show she is 'in line' with traditional values. That makes her a hypocrite, because she has no qualms to use her daughter to score a political point. After all, it is a fact that Bristol Palin got pregnant, while her mother preached abstinence. And then she brought her family on stage with her, and Bristol is doing promotional events for abstinence programs. Since they're not private persons, it is legitimate to make fun of them.
Although Letterman's joke can be viewed as tastless (and he has acknowledged that), he is a comedian by profession and it is his job to use humor and satire to show us the world as it exist. What troubles me most in the reaction from the Palin camp is this:
"In an issued statement, Palin spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton said: "The Palins have no intention of providing a ratings boost for David Letterman by appearing on his show. Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman." (source: CNN Politics)
I think that the last sentence especially means that Ms. Stapleton should apologize to Mr. Letterman for this remark, which is waaaaay over the line.

Posted by: hgeurts | June 12, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Palin grouped Letterman in with media outlets “where everything is commentary and facts don’t matter anymore.”
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1joke

Pronunciation: \ˈjōk\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks
Date: 1670
1 a: something said or done to provoke laughter ; especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist b (1): the humorous or ridiculous element in something (2): an instance of jesting : kidding c: practical joke d: laughingstock
2: something not to be taken seriously : a trifling matter —often used in negative constructions

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Todd's deadening and humiliating life as a stay-at-home dad, which is occasionally punctuated by concentrated blasts of testosterone-boosting stuff like running an oil rig and racing around on snowmobiles
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So, Todd was watching Bristol when Levi would come over. Who was watching Willow and Pillow, I mean Piper?

Would I be considered a bigot if these hillbillies annoy the hell out of me?

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Esquire spent a couple days with Todd Palin--"the man for American now"--last year, and just got around to publishing the story, including heartbreaking details of Sarah Palin and Levi Johnston before the crack-up.

Most of the story is devoted to Todd's deadening and humiliating life as a stay-at-home dad, which is occasionally punctuated by concentrated blasts of testosterone-boosting stuff like running an oil rig and racing around on snowmobiles, which some people insist on calling "snow machines."

But reporter Luke Dittrich hung around in Palin-land before Bristol and Levi parted ways, and caught some now-poignant exchanges between the family's matriarch and the loutish son of an OxyContin dealer that Bristol tried to drag in to the family

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Out of line? No. She's a media specticle and he's a comedian on a show. He doesn't have to give her any more respect than he wishes to. Same goes for her. She's completely overreacting and it would have been better for her to just let it go graciously like I would have and my mother would have. Because how you personally act carries more weight than a joke by a comedian. I think jumping up and going all overprotective mom and dad to the point you're accusing him of saying things like condoning statutory rape is the worst way to react. A simple statement saying it's a horrible joke and innapropriate would have been a more classy way of doing it. Even the press release was completely over the top with the "keeping him away from Willow" comment. This just makes you look like all the other trailer trash parents on the news.

Was it in poor taste? Sure but not like that's ever stopped anyone from making off color jokes or similar jokes before. If you don't like it turn the TV off.

Posted by: mtcooley | June 12, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin goes down as the worst mom of the last two years. She is determined to expose her children to this kind of babble and feigns shock when it happens. Letterman's joke was tasteless, agreed. Jokes are sparse since Bush left office. Her family is nothing to be proud of as far as morals, education or intellect. I do not understand Republican infatuation with vulgarity and stupidity. Palin will do anything to keep her name in the news and reading about her holds the same uneasy attraction as slowly driving by a train wreck, so reporters keep her in their columns and we keep reading and commenting.

Posted by: txajohnson | June 12, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Anybody remember the "ugly" Chelsea Clinton cracks from some in the 1990's. While I can't stand Palin, Letterman's wrong with this one and should apologize. Besides, even he knows the 7th inning stretch is the time to sing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game"

Posted by: NotBubba | June 12, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

mibrooks, beware of calling the kettle black.

Posted by: nodebris | June 12, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Shouldn't Todd be more upset at Levi? Levi was the one to cause the real damage.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Palin Quotes...

Asked later if she would have picked Judge Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court, Palin said “I don’t know.”

“I think gender, race, should not be any kind of test you have to pass,” she said. “I’m sure that there are many, many qualified candidates that should have been considered.”

“If they are not held accountable, these reporters who repeat lies and repeat distortions all in the name of hard news, then our nation is headed to a very scary place,” she said.

Palin grouped Letterman in with media outlets “where everything is commentary and facts don’t matter anymore.”

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When did a joke become commentary?

You can't call jokes... commentary??

What the hell is Sarah Palin talking about? Commentary??? Jokes???? WTF?????

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

chrisfox, you really are a toxic waste dump of hatred and bitterness. Your comments about the Palin's being like the Holocaust Museum murderer is simply over the top. I suggest you seek counseling. Seriously. I don't think I have many posts on this or any other forum where the person was so obviously mentally unbalanced. At the very least, I think you are a dangerous lunatic and cillizza needs to lock you out.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 12, 2009 1:50 AM | Report abuse

chrisfox, you really are a toxic waste dump of hatred and bitterness. Your comments about the Palin's being like the Holocaust Museum murderer is simply over the top. I suggest you seek counseling. Seriously. I don't think I have many posts on this or any other forum where the person was so obviously mentally unbalanced. At the very least, I think you are a dangerous lunatic and cillizza needs to lock you out.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 12, 2009 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Letterman was wrong; Palin enjoys being a victim; and a whole lot of posts here add up to a lot of nothing.

Meanwhile, a marginalized right-wing is becoming increasingly delusional and violent. Can the middle stand up to it?

Yes, it can. But expect more ugliness.

Posted by: nodebris | June 12, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

STILL... NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME!

This only shows that the Palin's are not ready for the real world.

The Palin's are still not ready for prime time. Couldn't the Palin's come out in a more innocent posture?

David Letterman has absolutely nothing to lose here and everything to gain. Letterman an Obama man remember?

The Palin's decided to turn an opportunity into a hate fest. The Palin's perception is one dimensional. Multi tasking would be a nightmare for the couple.

More people I suspect, would be sympathetic to the Palin's but, they added lies, lies and lies to a joke. This is just a sad American story.

Posted by: opp88 | June 12, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

"Why should anyone care what this trash couple thinks? Todd is the same sort of nutbar as the one who just shot up the Holocaust Museum,"

What the hell? Why would you say something like that???

Posted by: DDAWD | June 12, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I wrote:
"Palin has done more to harm the women's movement than anyone else I can think of. She epitomizes the image that women have been trying for decades to get rid of. She obviously plays up her sex appeal (probably the only thing that attracted John Cain), she's shrill, and she's, well, dumb."

wodon1836 responded:
So women shouldn't think of having a family ,being married and have a very successful career at the same time?

My counter-response - Huh?? wodon1836, your response makes absolutely no sense in light of my post? What are you smoking?

Posted by:

Posted by: Observer10 | June 12, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Trouble ahead for the GOP base as the Senate authorizes tobacco regulation. The imperative will be to reduce the nicotine content and thereby lower the addictive potential .. problem is that millions are already addicted, and will start smoking the reciprocal of the reduction, more cigarettes to achieve the same effect.

That should reduce their political participation, electoral and commenting, furiously puffing away to titrate their blood.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Why should anyone care what this trash couple thinks? Todd is the same sort of nutbar as the one who just shot up the Holocaust Museum, probably fondles his guns while making creepy crooning noises. Sarah is an End Times lunatic who's had an exorcism and parades her kids around like crotch-cabbage trophies, and gives them whackadoodle names.

She runs that red mouth with trailer-trash family values BS and is proud her 'cabbage got knocked up before she's even attained her majority. Let this pair of cretins be as outraged as they want and let Letterman get an ovation on his next show.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks: I name my city of residence on my profile page, Oh Great Detective. Wow you must be some kind of genius.

But work for the county? You're nuts. They don't pay anywhere near enough. I write software, you head-dropped 'wad, I doubt the County hires many programmers.

Why the fascination? Why don't you get a stamp collection or something?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Calculated comment. Calculated over-reaction. Welcome to the summer silly season.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 11, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I doubt anyone will read this since so many comments have been posted already. But here goes....

I am a liberal Democrat who voted for Obama and thought Palin was not only a joke, but a very scary joke.

Letterman was COMPLETELY out of line. I don't care if Palin is using this for politics. It's about time we STOPPED sexualizing young girls. His comment was disgusting and completely over the top. Palin's daughters did not ask to be put in the spotlight and should not be subject to this type of leering, perverted commentary.

If people don't get upset, then comments like this become "OK" and then in an effort to become outrageous, people cross the line even further.

Really, why are we doing this to our daughters?

Posted by: mountainlake1 | June 11, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Letterman may have gone a bit too far with the original comment/joke, but the Palin family has overreacted. The overreaction by Palin and her husband to Letterman's original comments and more-or-less apology give the impression that they are a bit small-minded and humorless. Those who tend toward magnanimity in the public sphere generally gain wider support and acceptance than those who often seem to be crying wolf and claiming foul.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | June 11, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

What is it about Sarah Palin?
For me, she produces an incredible sense of wonder in the fact that Alaska is still intact after 3 years of her.
Either the state is full of easily led voters or the state, being small, is easily led.
When you consider that the last governor appointed his own daughter to the U.S. senate, it probably is the former.
Maybe they should let the bears vote too, it couldn't hurt.

Posted by: seemstome | June 11, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Palin has done more to harm the women's movement than anyone else I can think of. She epitomizes the image that women have been trying for decades to get rid of. She obviously plays up her sex appeal (probably the only thing that attracted John Cain), she's shrill, and she's, well, dumb

So women shouldn't think of having a family ,being married and have a very successful career at the same time?

Posted by: wodon1836 | June 11, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 - No. You live in Woodinville, Washington and you are an engineer I, working for King County.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Bronze medal: King of Zouk (21 posts)
Silver medal: chrisfox8 (39 posts)
Gold medal: JakeD (70 posts)

Honorable mentions to Nosy_Park & thinman (19 posts each).

Toodles.

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 11, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Did David Letterman go too far with Willow Palin joke?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=5505

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Posted by: usadblake | June 11, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

This ridiculous rant from the Palin clan will surely increase Letterman's TV rating while her appearance on his show would probably do the opposite. I know that I, for one, would have no interest in seeing Palin on Dave's show. Also, I don't think the people who wrote the NOW statement even saw Dave's apology on last night's show. Palin has done more to harm the women's movement than anyone else I can think of. She epitomizes the image that women have been trying for decades to get rid of. She obviously plays up her sex appeal (probably the only thing that attracted John Cain), she's shrill, and she's, well, dumb. Unfortunately she'll probably never see these comments since she couldn't name even one newspaper that she reads.

Posted by: Observer10 | June 11, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Nosy_Parke. Kindly.

To digress slightly.
The 2000 election was not won by the right. The people who won, while having some conservative principles,were unable or unwilling to take the steps to give American their freedoms and protections as laid out in the constitution. The current Administration appears to have no intentions of doing do. It happened in chile in 1970. A well meaning popular Allende destroyed the country's money , life savings, bank accounts and economy in three years.

Posted by: wodon1836 | June 11, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

The Left is allowed to mock/villify/tear down anyone they see fit. But if someone like Imus or Limbaugh had said something anywhere close to this the looney libs would be screaming for them to be pulled off the air. visit www.myangryelephant.com for more examples of The Left's hypocrisy.

Posted by: myangryelephant | June 11, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, in all this kerfuffle there is one category to whom David Letterman arguably DOES owe an apology: flight attendants.

Was anyone else watching Letterman the evening that the crew of US Airways 1549 (Captain Sullenberger and crew) were guests? They were all very classy, and I believe any of us would have been glad to entrust our lives and our safety to them in such an emergency (including the three flight attendants in the plane's cabin, who got all the passengers out alive).

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin has her eye on the U.S. senate in 2010, running against Murkowski.
The presidency is beyond her and she knows it.
Besides,if Palin is the best the Republican party can offer for 2012, I say BRING IT ON!

Posted by: seemstome | June 11, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Nosy_Parker respectfully.

Therefore it OK.

Posted by: wodon1836 | June 11, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

wodon1836
The left won the election and now have the power to make the world in their own image. That image includes demeaning and belittling anyone that doesn't think as they do.

Talk about a classic case of projection. What actually happened,wodon, was this:

In 2000 the RIGHT won the election and for 8 years had the power to make the world in their own image. That image included demeaning and belittling anyone that didn't think as they did.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

seemstome
Mom is too busy with her political wingding to notice problems

Isn't it curious how the religious right preaches "family values" including stay-at-home moms, yet Palin gallivants all over the country nowadays. Remember, it was after becoming governor that she farmed out a couple of her older kids to her sister (which is when Bristol got pregnant). Great mothering skills, great example of the values her side preaches. Looks like it's "Do as I say, not as I do," when it comes to Sarah.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

The left won the election and now have the power to make the world in their own image. That image includes demeaning and belittling anyone that doesn't think as they do.

Posted by: wodon1836 | June 11, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Ack, meant to type "titillating," as in Palin's strongest campaign skills are that she winks, she flirts, she poses, she talks all folksy, droppin' her Gs at the end of present participles, she does a little fancy pageant walkin'...

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Letterman fell right into the trailer trash trap. Palin's brood has been in the usual trouble. Drugs, vandalizing school property, and of course, getting knocked up. If her younger daughter isn't pregnant now give her a few years. 16 maybe. Palin wishes she could send them ALL to Iraq.
Mom is too busy with her political wingding to notice problems, unless she can make them part of the dog and pony show like now.

Posted by: seemstome | June 11, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Re Letterman's "sl*tty" comment, Sarah Palin tarts herself all up instead of presenting herself professionally (see http://corporette.com, for example, re clothes, shoes, hair, makeup), then preaches sexual abstinence as the only morally acceptable form of contraception. Thus she emits a titiallating cognitive dissonance to her target audience between her prudish audio message and her $exualized visual one. Small wonder she had an unplanned pregnancy at 43, as did Bristol at 17. Great example, Mom.

Candidates' children ARE fair game IF a public parent preaches moral absolutes (the born-again teetotaler and his wife the closeted chain-smoker, the "Just Say No to Drugs" mom) and their kids to whom they're unable to teach the lessons they tell other parents to preach.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Letterman is frequently a jerk, but he should not back down. Take the heat and then keep dishing it out. The worst joke of 2008 was Mr. & Mrs. Palin's being "proud" (their press-release words) of their unwed-daughter's pregger status. Please.

Posted by: nicksak | June 11, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It reminds me of a Family Guy episode where Peter erects a straw filled dummy of Hitler outside his front door to keep a Jewish person away, a "scarejew"

When people complained that the joke was offensive, Seth McFarlane agreed with them and said it was supposed to be offensive.

No, the joke wasn't funny. That's the major offense, not that it was about Bristol.

I don't have a problem with anyone poking fun at Bristol. She's an adult now. Furthermore, the hypocrisy is just astounding. Remember that these people deride women who get knocked up as promiscuous wh0res. Remember all of this when Britney Spears' sister became pregnant? Well, when it happens to one of them, then all of a sudden she becomes off limits? So is this something that can happen to any mother or is Sarah Palin just a lousy parent?

And there's the issue of abortion. Bristol has been cited as the reason that the choice should be taken away from others since apparently she is the second coming of Jesus Christ and her choice should be imposed on the entire country. If she is so interested in becoming a political figure and if she is so interested in hurting other women, then I don't see why a late night comedian can't make fun of her.

And if she has a problem with all this, then let her speak up. People her age are going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely she can handle this.

And let's not pretend there is confusion as to which daughter this joke was about. Anyone who says he thought it was about the 14 year old is a straight up liar. No question about it.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox
in much of rural America 18 is old enough to be pregnant for the third time

At age 18 Loretta Lynn had her 4th child (all separate births, though, in fairness, at least she was married to their father before she started having kids). Her eldest daughter was so inspired by this example that she made Loretta a grandmother at 28.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Funny how Jake is so passionate about defending a complete subhuman monster like Palin yet wants to go after Obama's too little girls and brings them up dozens of times.

What a sick, twisted, horrid little unit he is

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD - Believe it or not, your chris works for King County. Another public employee, wasting your tax dollars playing on the web.

==

Where the hell you get your information? I live in KC, just barely, but I work for a software company.

You seem to need a hobby. I don't make a very good one. Find another, like philately, or jerking off to "Soldier of Fortune" or something.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

There is no such thing as an "unborn baby"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

And the justification often cited - that Palin's children are acceptable targets of mockery because Palin parades them around at political events - is ridiculous. The children didn't ask to be thrust into the spotlight and they shouldn't be made into targets. They're CHILDREN.

==

If Bristol is a child then what's she doing throwing children of her own already and mooing around a stage as a poster-girl for unwed motherhood?

Jerry Lee Lewis married a "woman" five years younger, and in much of rural America 18 is old enough to be pregnant for the third time

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has no qualms about exploiting her children when it can get her the press coverage she craves. In this instance though, David Letterman was just wrong, and not very funny. I thought that his jokes were about Bristol because I had no idea who was at the ball game with Sarah.I missed Letterman's comments until all of the replays because I prefer to watch "The Colbert Report" for the first half hour of Dave's show. I wouldn't want to hear jokes like those about my daughters, but I wouldn't put them in the public eye in the first place.

Posted by: gbruner1 | June 11, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Herr JakeD,
Are you still at it?

How do you and your fellow white supremacist sympathizers find the energy?

Sieg Heil.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Herr JakeD,
Are you still at it?

How do you and your fellow white supremacist sympathizers find the energy?

Sieg Heil.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

you know.. i really don't care ANYTHING about the palins.

every one of them is a FRAUD.

but if anyone cares about the teen birth rate in alaska, this is from a report by the CDC;

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According to the newest numbers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, teen births increased by 3 percent nationally in 2006, reversing a 15-year decline of more than a third. And Palin's home state of Alaska -- one of 26 states to see a rise -- led the way, with a 19 percent increase in the teenage birthrate from the previous year.

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Posted by: DriveByPoster | June 11, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, knock me over with a feather -- the National Organization of Women has spoken out against Letterman's "jokes":

http://www.now.org/issues/media/hall-of-shame/

An excerpt:

"Comedians in search of a laugh should really know better than to snicker about men having sex with teenage girls (or young women) less than half their age.

The sexualization of girls and women in the media is reaching new lows these days -- it is exploitative and has a negative effect on how all women and girls are perceived and how they view themselves."

The article then goes on to remember the similar treatment of Chelsea Clinton when her father first took office, specifically recalling Rush Limbaugh's comments. I don't listen to Limbaugh, but I do remember some very cutting "jokes" about Chelsea's appearance on SNL. After being called on it, Loren Michaels finally did apologize (a REAL apology, unlike Letterman's), and the jokes were cut from the SNL re-run.

Let's hope that Letterman models himself after Michaels, not Limbaugh.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | June 11, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

jakeD wrote, "sed81650 or DriveByPoster: You are aware that it was Willow Palin (14 year old) who went to the Yankee game in question, right?"

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well, actually i didn't know.. but i guess 1/3 of the proof is already in then, huh? :D


Posted by: DriveByPoster | June 11, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

sed81650 or DriveByPoster:

You are aware that it was Willow Palin (14 year old) who went to the Yankee game in question, right?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

opp88 (thank you for the ANWR update, back on topic):

Would a similar "good joke" about Sasha or Malia Obama be acceptable as well?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Letterman's comment was offensive but he is a comedian. Sarah wants to be in the news all the time, so she can't help but make a comment. If she was more interested in teaching birth control, I might listen to her more. And that was what the comment was made about.

Posted by: sed81650 | June 11, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse


wouldn't it be wild if what letterman said was true?

that someone did a dna test on the little brat and it WAS fathered by rodriguez and they determined the date of conception was the same date that the yankees played rangers at home, and then amazingly enough, someone produced video of the palin girl and a-rod sneaking into the clubhouse during the 7th inning stretch?

hey.. i could happen.

Posted by: DriveByPoster | June 11, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Palin wasn't persuasive enough?

Apparently Palin wasn't persuasive enough. Today, the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee shot down Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski's effort to open up ANWR to directional drilling. The sole Republican to vote against the proposal? McCain.


The amendment, which came up during work on an energy bill, failed 10-13. Murkowski, the top Republican on the energy committee, has argued that directional drilling could be done from outside the refuge to tap reserves with its boundaries.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Palin wants to keep her name in the news, and the media obliges.

Posted by: smc91 | June 11, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by Erika Bolstad Posted By Erika Bolstad – Tue Jun 9, 7:22 pm ET


Remember back to September, when Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was a newly minted vice-presidential candidate and she was asked by ABC's Charlie Gibson about drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and her split with her running mate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.?


At the time, she told Gibson: "We'll agree to disagree, but I'm gonna keep pushing that, and I think, eventually, we're all gonna come together on that one."


Apparently Palin wasn't persuasive enough. Today, the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee shot down Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski's effort to open up ANWR to directional drilling. The sole Republican to vote against the proposal? McCain.


The amendment, which came up during work on an energy bill, failed 10-13. Murkowski, the top Republican on the energy committee, has argued that directional drilling could be done from outside the refuge to tap reserves with its boundaries.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"There's a saying that out of the heart, the mouth speaks, and Letterman's statement reveals a pretty ugly reflection of who Letterman may be," Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America, told FOXNews.com.

"When he said those things, they were thought through. He probably kicked them around with his writers who thought it was appropriate to say these reprehensible things."

...

The National Organization of Women also blasted Letterman for inappropriate "jokes" on its Web site Thursday.

"Comedians in search of a laugh should really know better than to snicker about men having sex with teenage girls (or young women) less than half their age," NOW said.

"The sexualization of girls and women in the media is reaching new lows these days — it is exploitative and has a negative effect on how all women and girls are perceived and how they view themselves."

FOXNews.com wasn't allowed into the taping of Thursday night's "Late Show," but audience members afterward said Letterman again addressed the controversy, joking that Palin must have forgiven him because she called him up and invited him to go hunting.

Deborah Donovan Rice, executive director of Stop It Now, an organization aiming to prevent the sexual abuse of children, also denounced Letterman's jokes and praised Palin's response as "spot on."

"This wasn't the usual fun, creative stuff I usually see on Letterman," Rice told FOXNews.com. "This really dropped below the bar."

Outside the Ed Sullivan Theater in New York Thursday afternoon, most of the studio audience lined up for the taping of Letterman's show said they were not aware of the controversy surrounding his comments.

But audience member Ann Frechette from Tampa Bay, Fla., said Tuesday night's jokes were “very harsh, very unlike David Letterman.”

She also said that “his apology was just another joke.”

Another, Cindy Baldwin from Ogden, Utah, said "I don't think [Letterman] should make comments about anyone's daughter, whether she's 18 or 14."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525882,00.html

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Letterman should change his name to Letterpussy.

Posted by: knockoutpolitics | June 11, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

THE PALINS ARE FINALLY SPENDING MONEY ON A P.R. PERSON. LETTERMAN THE PALINS ARE RESPONDING WITH SOME INTELLIGENTS. THEY HIRED SOMEONE TO WRITE THEIR PUBLIC RESPONSES...HURRY 2012 PLEASE HURRY...

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

It does not matter which daughter he meant. It wasn't funny, in fact the remark was way out of line. I would like to see him say that with her father right there in the studio.
Letterman is a bully when he's behind the camera.

Posted by: Dutch133 | June 11, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

opp88 and kskss4:

Would a similar "good joke" about Sasha or Malia Obama be acceptable as well?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

letterman jokes about 'bristol' and the palin's turn it into an 'old man' and 'young child' story. the palin's sad day will come. palin's are always playing the 'woe as me' role. next episode 'levi' wanting custody of 'trip'. todd is a freaking p.u.n.k to make those claims about letterman.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are incapable of understanding humor. They are so focused on controlling every one's thoughts, beliefs, and the only way of life that they can't relax and enjoy a good joke. Get a life Sarah Palin. Concentrate on running your state government. Grow up and get a life!!!

Don't change your ways David Letterman. You have lot's of fans. Keep it up! We need some humor in our lives right now. It's the only thing that can keep a person upbeat and hopeful. Humor is a diversion from every day life and we all need that.

Posted by: kskss4 | June 11, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

TimMcGarry:

Thank you (although I don't believe that Dave meant the joke about Bristol).

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

As a Democrat, I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin politically, but my sympathies are completely with her and her husband on this one.

I don't think the Palins can be blamed for thinking the "joke" was directed at their 14 year-old, since she was the one who attended the baseball game with them.

David Letterman has disclosed that the Palins' eldest daughter was in fact the intended target. While a "joke" like this about an 18 year-old may not be quite as horrifying as one directed at a minor child, it's still offensive. The supposed premise treats teen pregnancy as a sign of being wanton or promiscuous, which is absurd. This should offend anyone who cares about respect for women.

David Letterman has a long-established reputation as a witty and inventive comedian. In this instance, however, he failed badly and harmed some people. He should apologize again, only more straightforwardly this time. If I were in the Palins' place, I would not be mollified by his remarks to date.

Posted by: TimMcGarry | June 11, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

That's fine with me, I simply re-read your post here on this thread (not addressed to me) but still couldn't find any question asked. See you around.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Jake, I hardly think I'd stand out in the chorus of people telling you to stick a cork in it, but I was apparently added to your enemies list when I was not civil enough in a direct question to you a few weeks ago. It's not keeping me awake at night, don't worry. It's not like either of us are going to change our minds about much.

Posted by: benjaminanderson | June 11, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

benjaminanderson:

What question did you ask of me?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, as you do not answer my questions, I'm certainly not going to bore both of us with a lengthy explanation of why some people choosing to abort pre-viable fetuses (and some "viable" ones, yes, but only in defense of a woman's life or when the "baby" is a blob of ectoplasmic goo) is none of your bidness. You don't tell them what to do with their wombs, and I won't tell you what you can do with your favorite golf club, 'kay?

Posted by: benjaminanderson | June 11, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Emily Canal (or Sarah):

If you are still sorting through these, I apologize.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

benjaminanderson:

Let me know when the right-wing catches up to the 49 million unborn babies killed by left-wing abortionists.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

am94891:

Is Willow Palin "off limits" still?

BeavisfromMontana:

No. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

He didn't apologize, but the first representation regarding this incident had it that he was referring to Palin daughter Willow (14 yrs old), not to Bristol (elder daughter now 18, probably 17 when impregnated). It was crude and unacceptable. The teenage kids of public figures are not fair game; to compensate, Letterman offered to let their parents come onto his show (probably a desperation move since he's losing badly to new Tonight Show host Conan O'Brien). He also made the ridiculous suggestion that the one who really should have been offended and demanding an apology was Alex Rodriguez, which is bogus.

Posted by: boesc | June 11, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

You know, practically every week brings news of another cold-blooded murder at the hands of individuals that seem to line up on the rightwing side of the aisle. The dude who shot up the UU church in Knoxville to "kill liberals," the murder of the Arkansas head of the Democratic Party, the killing of three policemen in Philly by a survivalist, anti-tax type, the Tiller murder of course by a dude who was apparently well-aquainted with various "luminaries" of the extreme anti-choice movement, and now this attack by an unhinged racist who had all sorts of lovely hateful things to say about our President. These are current events. Then to read comments here that "leftists" are the angry, dangerous ones... well, that just doesn't seem to square with the facts. All this stupid outrage ginned up by the RW noise machine for... a cruel, dumb joke. Sure, Letterman is a jerk, I don't watch the guy, but he's hardly a spokesperson for liberals, or Democrats, let alone "the left," so why is this evidence of anything except, yeah, pop culture is pretty trashy, that's why I try to avoid it. And, for the record, Jews don't need a whole lot of thought to know that a democratic left is always a safer bet than a violent, fulminating rightwing obsessed with cultural purity and "Christian values," thank you very much.

Posted by: benjaminanderson | June 11, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

David Letterman deftly played it both ways on Wednesday's "Late Show" ... even as he milked the situation for more laughs.

"Of course, we make mistakes left and right," the CBS host said as he began a lengthy discourse that blended flashes of contrition with moments of hilarity as he took more pokes at Palin and her family.

...

"I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl," he said, dropping his signature sarcasm. "I don't think it's funny. I would never think it was funny."

"I'm not necessarily proud of these jokes," he said in a more ironically self-deprecating moment. "We do stuff all the time and our objective here is to get a laugh, and thank God we don't have to go to the Hague and the World Court to defend them. It's a joke and that's all it's supposed to be."

Before he was done, he tried to boil down the situation into two key points, which he stated with playful precision:

"Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes.

"Did I suggest that it was OK for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jIe1Nl2iI3XFzTgodBHM_X7YX-egD98OILG80

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Did Tina Fey write Sarah Palin's response statement? It is one big run-on sentence.

False outrage is the hallmark of the far right. Keep "real America" upset about non-issues so they won't notice while you're putting the economic shiv in their back. Palin's performance is par for the course.

Posted by: BeavisfromMontana | June 11, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing funny about Ms. Painin.

Posted by: whocares666 | June 11, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Sure, it's a bad joke and kids should be off limits.

But Palin "the Barracuda" is milking the event for media attention by playing the victim again. Sounds just like when she blamed Katie Couric & Tina Fey for making her look bad.

Posted by: sarahabc | June 11, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The second Bristol Palin agreed to be on the cover of People Magazine and go on Greta Van Sustren (to talk about her pregnancy, of all things), she became fair game for late night comics.

Posted by: am94891 | June 11, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Letterman claimed that the "joke" was about Palin's older daughter, Bristol, not their 14 year old, Willow, and added that he was "not necessarily proud of these jokes." (see YouTube link above)

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"No, he didn't. He made a statement that did NOT include the words "I'm sorry" or "I apologize." As I'm sure your mother taught you when you were younger, you do need to say those words if you are actually are apologizing."

Anyone know what he DID say?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

In addition, Alan Keyes contradicted reports about his having disowned his daughter in October 2007. In response to a caller, Keyes said that he loves his daughter and that she knows she has a home with him. He asserted that he never cut her off and never would because it would be "wrong in the eyes of God." He also said he would not be coerced into "approving of that which destroys the soul" of his daughter. He contended that he must "stand for the truth [Jesus Christ] represents" even if it breaks his heart.

http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/play.php?mp3=123

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

O.K., I had to look it up, I am not lying my *ss off.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

lndlouis and/or jaynashvil:

Would a similar "joke" about Sasha and Malia be OK too?

Nosy_Parker:

Parents are allowed to "disown" their children, legally and morally. What, you wanted to make fun of Maya Keyes when she was a child too, but didn't get the chance?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

LYAO is the second-person singular in this instance (and second-person plural, as circumstances may demand) form of LMAO.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
Q: Isn't Von Brunn one of your fellow natural[]-birth deniers? A: That has been reported, but so is Alan Keyes; I have not confirmed the former as of yet.

If Von Brunn's stance on Obama's birth certificate is established, then the fact that Alan Keyes takes the same stance doesn't make it any better. Keyes also disowned one of his own children for being a lesbian (real "parent-of-the-year" material there).

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Section506:

Would a similar "joke" about Sasha or Malia Obama also be a non-story?

Nosy_Parker:

Of course, politicians and comics who made egregious insults about Chelsea Clinton's appearance were out of line as well. If you give me the definition of "LAYO" I would gladly answer that question as well.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
Children are never "fair game" regardless of what their parents do.

So you found/find the jokes and mockery of Chelsea Clinton when her father was President equally offensive?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

unojklhh1 and WashingtonDame:

Thank you both!

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

NON-STORY

Posted by: Section506 | June 11, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD - Believe it or not, your chris works for King County. Another public employee, wasting your tax dollars playing on the web.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeD, were politicians and comics out of line who made egregious insults about Chelsea Clinton's appearance when she was First Kid in the White House? Or were you LYAO?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Nosy_Parker (finally!):

No. Children are never "fair game" regardless of what their parents do. Too bad you don't feel the same way about Bristol and/or Willow Palin.

Now, on to your questions (which I would have gladly answered before had you simply answered my question to you).

Q: Isn't Von Brunn one of your fellow natural[]-birth deniers?

A: That has been reported, but so is Alan Keyes; I have not confirmed the former as of yet.

Q: How's that working out for you?

A: Just fine -- guilt by association is a "logical fallacy" last time I checked -- see my posts to "thinman1" below.

Q: Are children fair game if their parents don't hide behind them for cover?

A: (see above).

Q: Do you even need to ask?

A: Yes, but I was not "asking" that question because I don't know. I was using that question of an example of something that is not a misstatement of fact.

I think that answers every question you've asked, but I'm sure you will let me know if not.

lndlouis and/or jaynashvil:

Would a similar "joke" about Sasha and Malia be OK too?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

As a non-vegetarian, I pay someone to do it for me. I can survive without eating meat, so its something I do as a luxury. I don't pull the trigger, but I encourage others to do it.
What does that make me?
Posted by: DDAWD
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It makes you like a lot people who eat meat but wouldn't kill an animal themselves. There is nothing wrong with that.. But if you are someone who eats meat yet hate hunters or think they are cruel for doing what they do..then you are nothing but a hypocrite..

Posted by: sovine08 | June 11, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Liberalism is a terrible disease for a comedian to contract.....as the disease progresses, the victim doesn't realize the difference between something that is funny and just a vile, disgusting, hateful comment. Mr. Letterman's probable future is likely to mirror that of the pseudo- comedian Bill Maher....who's been afflictd with this disease for several years now.

Posted by: pmocon789 | June 11, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Take 2 (typos corrected):

JakeD, Politicians' children are fair game (a) if they're behaving badly at age 18 or more (see the Bush twins' drinking under 21); or, (b) when their parents hide behind them (see Sarah Palin at Flyers game last fall); or, (c) when their parents parade them in public; or, (d) when a child's behavior contradicts the parent's expressed political values. Bristol Palin's out-of-wedlock pregnancy and illegitimate baby fit so many of these hypocritical criteria, it's downright cringe-inducing.

When parents are NOT hiding behind their minor children (see the Obamas WRT Malia and Sasha), then the children are NOT fair game. Got it?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Of course Letterman was out of line - and it doesn't matter whether he was referring to a 14 year old girl or an 18 year old girl. Either way it was reprehensible, offensive, and not funny.

And the justification often cited - that Palin's children are acceptable targets of mockery because Palin parades them around at political events - is ridiculous. The children didn't ask to be thrust into the spotlight and they shouldn't be made into targets. They're CHILDREN.

It doesn't matter whether Palin's outrage is 100% genuine and maternal, or phony and politically calculated. (I see no reason to believe it's not all genuine.) What matters is that her outrage is completely justified.

Posted by: unojklhh1 | June 11, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"Letterman should apologize."

I think he did, didn't he?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 4:52 PM |

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No, he didn't. He made a statement that did NOT include the words "I'm sorry" or "I apologize." As I'm sure your mother taught you when you were younger, you do need to say those words if you are actually are apologizing.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | June 11, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I think she just wants to appear to be the defender of moral values.

She takes every opportunity she can to stay in the news cycle even if she has to make up "self righteous indignation" to do so.

She is out of touch and out of mind as well. Her husband Todd throwing "rape" into the kettle is more wierd than anything Letterman said.

Everyone knows Letterman is a "comedian" and sometimes his jokes are "raunchy" but hey, lighten up Palins. You are your own worst enemies.

I think John Stewart pegged Palin best with his "Blamey Whinehouse" moniker for her. All she does is complain.

Posted by: lndlouis | June 11, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

What a non-issue. Letterman does jokes. Some rub people the wrong way (usually the good ones). Palin has paraded her family around for a couple of years as a shining example of wholesomeness; therefore, public figures and fair game. This is just Palin adding another 60 seconds to her "15 minutes". Let's talk about something interesting.

Posted by: jaynashvil | June 11, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD: happy to report that I don't work at Microsoft right now. I HATE that place. Ten years outa the last twenty was more than enough. Good luck though

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox, if you're sick of Microsoft, you think you might want to work for NIH? I've been waiting to see if my grant has been funded and I'm about to explode since their grant checking site has been down all day and they seem to have no #$$#@##in cue why!

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Hitler was a coprophage, just like Jake

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, Politicians' children are fair game (a) if they're behaving badly at age 18 or more (see Bristol Palin's out-of-delock pregnancy and illegitimate baby) or the Bush twins drinking under 21); or, (b) when their parents hide behind them (see Sarah Palin at Flyers game last fall).

When the parents are NOT hiding behind their minor children (see the Obamas WRT Malia and Sasha), then they're not fair game. Got it?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

You're saying that Hitler was NOT a homosexual, or at best, bi-sexual?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

This "radical vegetarian" just finished a bánh mì gà.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

lindaj4 and unpluggedboodah:

Willow Palin (their 14 year old and NOT a "spokesman" for Teen Abstinence) was the daughter in attendance at the Yankee game -- as was broadcast on every NYC news channel -- does that change any of your opinions?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
I really doubt that Gov. Palin shows up on Dave's show within the week (maybe Todd with a firearm ; )

Maybe they were planning to send Von Brunn instead, so now John de Nugent will have to go in his place now.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

hahahahah "avowed homosexual"

you guys CRACK ME UP

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Nosy_Parker:

I would be more than happy to answer each and every one of your later-asked questions, just as soon as you answer my one pending question to you.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me how a putrid woman who dragged the Republican ticket down into a humiliating loss in 2008 is somehow considered the leading candidate for 2012?

Don't get me wrong, I would be thrilled at the opportunity to mock this idiot for another 2 and a half years, but surely there are people in the GOP motivated by more than their hormones...right?

Posted by: unpluggedboodah

==

They didn't need Palin to drag them down to a loss, they were well on their way there when McCain closed that deal by choosing her.

Remember when she gave him a brief boost, before she opened her little-girl-stupid mouth?

"As [Obama] sinks in the polls, he'll try to destroy her!"

... and lactating women all over America tightened up in rage at the thought. Turns out Palin destroyed herself just fine, by talking.

I'm sure a lot of GOPers have a crush on Palin, but I would really not think about her in connection with sex, even that close, thanks. But yeah she's pure poison for the GOP, they may as well eat malathion as keep her in the spotlight.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

scrivener50:

I really doubt that Gov. Palin shows up on Dave's show within the week (maybe Todd with a firearm ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey, JakeD Isn't Von Brunn one of your fellow naturalized-birth deniers? How's that working out for you?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Bristol Palin lost all rights privacy when she and her baby appeared on the cover of People magazine in her high school cap and gown. Her parents lost all rights to crying foul much earlier when they paraded the poor young mother-to-be in front of the world during the presidential campaign. Think you're running in 2012 Governor Palin? Then get used to the window that you already opened on your family.

Posted by: lindaj4 | June 11, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"unpluggedboodah:

No, I'm happily married. Also, WILLOW has never been used as a "spokesman" for anything that I know of."

Bristol is the Teen Abstinence Queen, even though she can't keep her legs closed.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Now our exposed Nazi is calling for gun control, just as his fellow perverts did when taking power in 1933. He calls for killing less than perfect children, is a radical vegetarian, and avowed homosexual... Can an updated version of Mein Kampf be far behind? Drivel, if you want to understand where the drumbeat that led to the antisemetic violence, yesterday, look no further than to your team member in the synchronized water ballet team swimming in the cesspool of Obama's movement.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
Are Sasha and Melia "fair game" now too?

Answer MY question: Are children fair game if their parents don't hide behind them for cover?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"That *encouraged* Bruun and that encouraged that whacko that murdered those army recruiters."

The most pathetic thing about you Right-Wing extremists is that once you commit your hate crimes, you cower behind excuses like little babies. Even Muslim terrorists take responsibility for their actions, which makes them better than you.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
if I ask "Is the moon made of cheese?"

Do you even need to ask? LOL, indeed!

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Nosy_Parker:

That's not what I asked you. Here it is (one last time): Are Sasha and Melia "fair game" now too?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Right now, amongst what passes for "liberalism", Jews have become fair game.

==

Let's see a link, champ

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

unpluggedboodah:

No, I'm happily married. Also, WILLOW has never been used as a "spokesman" for anything that I know of.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me how a putrid woman who dragged the Republican ticket down into a humiliating loss in 2008 is somehow considered the leading candidate for 2012?

Don't get me wrong, I would be thrilled at the opportunity to mock this idiot for another 2 and a half years, but surely there are people in the GOP motivated by more than their hormones...right?

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

drivl heel your pet. It gets nasty when ignored. Nice to see you two have such an affinity.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, The Obamas don't hide behind their children.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

sasquatchbigfoot:

LOL!!! How can a QUESTION (denoted by the punctuation mark "?") ever be a misinformed statement of fact? For instance, if I ask "Is the moon made of cheese?" that's not a misstatement.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

drivel - You evidently haven't been paying attention to your leaders comments, especially his speech to the Arab world. He basically gave the green light to those that advocate the extermination of Israel. Oh, and in seeking to pass blame for the failure of Iraq and Afghanistan, there is a growing game of you fools blaming the military, denigrating soldiers. It's the aftermath of Vietnam all over again. And, many of your fellow Obama gerbils have been echoing that. Right now, amongst what passes for "liberalism", Jews have become fair game. So have our soldiers. That *encouraged* Bruun and that encouraged that whacko that murdered those army recruiters. Chris and his fellow Nazi's are fanning the flames and you, you poor deluded fool, are part and partial o it all.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

MORE APPARENT 'HELD FOR BLOG OWNER' POLITICAL BLOG PRIOR RESTRAINT AND/OR CENSORSHIP...

• After a brief respite, the prior restraint and/or censorship resumes... due to the URL link at the end of this attempted post to The Washington Post's "The Fix" political blog?

Today's example of apparent government near- real-time prior restraint/censorship of this "targeted" journalist (in response to a blog entry about the feud between Sarah Palin and TV host David Letterman):

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CENSORED! (OR AT LEAST, PRIOR RESTRAINT). TO READ WHAT'S APPARENTLY SO "OFFENSIVE" TO GOVERNMENT FUSION CENTER THOUGHT POLICE, PLEASE LINK TO THE LAST ITEM AT:

http://blog.aclu.org/2009/01/26/internet-filters-voluntary-ok-not-government-mandate

Posted by: scrivener50 | June 11, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

""Palin/Bachmann 2012"

Was whoever posted this serious???!!!!!

Bring it on. That would be so funny!"

Personally I think Democrats should try and stick the "face of the Republican Party" on Bachmann. If anything, repeated quoting of her greatest hits should be enough to embarrass her constituents to vote her out of office.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"unpluggedboodah:

You're wrong -- big surprise -- he has mentioned Harry and even shown pictures."

This is the same as putting your child on TV and advancing them as some sort of spokesperson how....? You fail worse than that other idiot at comparisons. By all accounts Letterman is intensely private, you see unlike Sarah Palin he built a successful career all on his own without exploiting his family.

Be honest, you have some secret boy-crush on Palin and somewhere deep in the back of your mind you dream of her somehow acknowledging the fact that you exist. You're just like all her other male supporters, blind and pathetic.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Palin should be buried alive

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

quick quiz for drivl and other moonbats:

Which party insists we view people as a member of a certain race before me make any judgments on them?

College entry, jobs, supreme court appointments, housing, promotions, cabinet appointments?

ooops, more moonbattery exposed.


Question 2 - which president sided with muslim terrorists and encouraged the Israelis to give up, creating an open season on Jews worldwide?
Hint - it wasn't Bush.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

FWIW: Mr. von Brunn attacked a JEWISH Center. Could anyone provide even ONE anti-Semitic quote from Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, or Rush Limbaugh (on the "right"). Let me know if you need the many, many anti-Semitic quotes from Jessie Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Rev. Wright (on the "left").

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

drindl: what do you expect? They're desperate.

Guns and violence are fundamental to the right-wing message but now we have two of their own in the news in most unpalatable episodes. So the whitewash begins.

They've been calling the Nazis "leftists" for almost 30 years. It's absurd of course but hey they're stupid people and they need a stupid-simple message or the rubes start to mill and moan. Their side has to be Ivory-pure, you know, the Right Is Good And The Left Is Bad. Google Neal Stephenson on intelligence and education.

And the idea that hate is a leftist thing has been going around for a few years too, but NOBODY'S buying that one.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

perfect and accurate to a T

Posted by: king_of_zouk
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Put an S-H-I in front of the T and have you your title, King.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | June 11, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey Hey We're the Paliiiiiiiins!

Maybe Todd Palin could hanger-on us all to death. He's like Kevin Federline without the talent and charm.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"chrisfoxhates

perfect and accurate to a T"

But there's no joke. Or am I missing it?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Jake, here's only one of what I estimate to be approximately 10,000 misinformed statements from you that would need to be cataloged:

Oh, goodie, if we are going to discuss socialized healthcare now, can someone answer me what other "for profit" industry will be next? Legal services? Mortgages? Super markets and restaurants?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:56 PM

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | June 11, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

unpluggedboodah:

You're wrong -- big surprise -- he has mentioned Harry and even shown pictures.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"unpluggedboodah:

You see what I told you about "chrisfox8"? Until you state otherwise, we will all know that you share the same views."

Who are you? Hint: I don't care.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

chrisfoxhates

perfect and accurate to a T

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

the trolls here are quick to pick up on all the fringe memes..

"It's hardly been 24 hours since James Von Brunn allegedly walked into the Holocaust Museum and shot museum guard Stephen Johns. But already conservatives from Rush Limbaugh to Red State have started advancing their latest up-is-down meme: Von Brunn -- a white supremacist consumed by hatred of Jews and blacks, who has called for President Obama to release his birth certificate -- isn't really a right-winger -- in fact, he's a lefty.

Let's count off the examples:

Yesterday, a guest from the "Ayn Rand Institute" argued to Fox News's Glenn Beck that because Von Brunn is a racist, he must of course be "a phenomenon of the left." In response, Beck accepted that logic, and wondered: "How did it happen that you look at people that are Nazis and you say that those are right wing? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever!"

Yes, it's totally baffling.

Not to be outdone, Rush Limbaugh too declared Von Brunn "has more in common with the marchers and protesters we see at left-wing rallies," according to video just aired on MSNBC."

It's amazing that there's anyone dumb enough to beleive this crap -- and that Hitler was a left-winger! But obviously some are stupid enough to beleive anything their leaders tell them.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

sasquatchbigfoot:

I agree; and you STILL won't find even one such post.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"Letterman has a young son named Harry. Suppose someone made a horrible sexual joke about his son, would Letterman like it? Of course not. No one wants their child made fun of. Letter is no longer funny, just mean."

Letterman doesn't trot his children out for publicity like Sarah Palin does. You fail at comparisons.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

edgar_sousa:

Good one, I forgot all about Harry. Maybe "chrisfox8" can come up with a NAMBLA "joke" about Harry?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I may be a bitter, old white man, but you will have to quote even ONE post where I am "misinformed."

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:16 PM
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My initial estimate of the level of effort required for such a project is two people, full time, for 3 months.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | June 11, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

unpluggedboodah:

You see what I told you about "chrisfox8"? Until you state otherwise, we will all know that you share the same views.

chrisfox8:

I thought you were "ignoring" me?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Letterman has a young son named Harry. Suppose someone made a horrible sexual joke about his son, would Letterman like it? Of course not. No one wants their child made fun of. Letter is no longer funny, just mean.

Posted by: edgar_sousa | June 11, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Palin/Bachmann 2012"

Was whoever posted this serious???!!!!!

Bring it on. That would be so funny!

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

drivl is funny. chrissuxit isn't.

I concur. not only are you correct about the monikers, it applies to their postings as well. chrissuxit is foul and filthy. drivl is just a pitiful wretch who clearly doesn't know any better.

I will contemplate a better naming convention.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

So you hate ALL hunters now to[o]?

==

No, but I do wish they would kill each other instead of killing deer

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

""She [Palin] kills animals for sport, dozens at a time."

As do I (technically for taste). Preferably with a little ketchup and horseradish. (Oysters.)

BB"

As a non-vegetarian, I pay someone to do it for me. I can survive without eating meat, so its something I do as a luxury. I don't pull the trigger, but I encourage others to do it.

What does that make me?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The Palin Family: Do as we say, not as we do

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The last time I encountered the ravings of the king_of_zouk, I shut him up by flushing him down the toilet.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | June 11, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Want to bet Sasha and Malia manage to remain free of pregnancy until they *decide* to bear children? Like, after they're /married/?

Because they have /brains/?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

She kills animals for sport, dozens at a time. If you need more than that then we shouldn't bother communicating with each other
Posted by: chrisfox8
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So you hate ALL hunters now to??? Besides you don't know if she doesn't eat what she shoots. And BTW are you saying you never ate a hamburger.. what you think the cows committed suicide?? So do you hate the people who butcher cattle also??? People who eat meat yet hates hunters are the biggest hypocrites in the world...

Posted by: sovine08 | June 11, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"Palin should sue Letterman over the vulgaar remarks.
Letterman has perverted sense of Humor should retire."

You should learn how to spell and use grammar and quit pretending like you're A.) a lady or B.) a doctor.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

" is it Sasha or Malia -- or both -- who are the crack wh0res?"

Nah, jakeys not racist. Nah.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin should sue the pathetic pervert Letterman.

==

Let her try. She'll learn something about being a "public figure." The judge will also explain to her that it was her own decision to parade her wh0re of a daughter around as some sort of prop.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

BartSimpson1:

I took it as a reference to Willow (but, then again, I wasn't seated in the Ed Sullivan Theatre). BTW: is it Sasha or Malia -- or both -- who are the crack wh0res?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

garbage.

Posted by: chrisx8

it seems we have a bipartisan agreement that you are a truly festering wound on the buttocks of civility. When even other moonbats step away, you know you should seek professional help. If another human ever dares interact with you IRL, I suggest you solicit a referral. Dr Suess doesn't count. drivl, surly you know someone from your wing.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

How can you be a Teen Abstinence Queen when you spread for, and mother the child of, a guy you apparently can't even stand? And what kind of mother allows her underage daughter to sleep with this kind of loser and get knocked up under her own roof? The Palins lack any credibility when it comes to telling other people how to live their lives.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"you may want to consider refraning from offering expert opinion on child care though. I know libs know everything (all wrong) but I'm just saying, you wouldn't want to enter drivl/chrissuxit territory and become a complete joke."

I won't. I think Palin is probably a good mother. She just needs to cut out the sanctimony on using her daughter as a pro-life symbol. (for all I know, she has. I haven't really been paying attention to her since the election)

I will, however, offer some expert advice on humor. drivl is funny. chrissuxit isn't. The lack of rhyme really detracts. You don't have to lampoon someone's screen name if it doesn't really work.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Palin should sue Letterman over the vulgaar remarks.
Letterman has perverted sense of Humor should retire.

Posted by: ladydoc320 | June 11, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

She also found out she was bearing a retarded child and elected to follow her politics and bear it instead of putting her politics aside and getting an abortion. Even the majority of anti-abortion-rights women in the same position make an exception in such an instance. Now women agonizing over the same decision will have that decision complicated by the example of this vicious harpy, and some of them will choose wrongly like she did.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade - Chris the nut job, evidently is opposed to eating meat, because that involves killing animals, too. Like his hero, Adolph Hitler, he is likely a vegetarian and just like most of the Brown Shirts, is a homosexual, too. History repeats itself and the Nazi's return with the anti-Semitic message, their intolerance and hatred, their blind ambition, and zeal for spreading every kind of filth and attempting to convince people that it is somehow normal.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The Palins are self-centered enough to think that we are all aware of their travel plans and who happens to be traveling with them. I'd bet a million bucks that no one on Letterman's staff even knew what kid was with them, or even could name them accurately. It's pretty obvious if you've actually seen the clips that the audience took it as a reference to the older daughter. The faux outrage from the Palin camp is just silly.

Posted by: BartSimpson1 | June 11, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

thinman1:

Hardly "all" day -- I was gone most of the morning


Wow! You sure got me with that one!

I'm going to let you have your moment and stop pointing out the fact that you share the views of a white supremacist.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

lkharter:

I like it!

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse


Palin should sue the pathetic pervert Letterman.
I would if he made such vulgar remarks about my daughter

Posted by: ladydoc320 | June 11, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

unpluggedboodah:

Don't worry about that because "chrisfox8" has already mocked Trig (with Downs syndrome) and suggested that he should have been aborted.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

This horrid woman encouraged people screaming for Obama's assassination at her rallies. Why should anyone sympathize for her? She's garbage.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Palin/Bachmann 2012

Let's get this party started!!

Anchorage, AK.

Posted by: lkharter | June 11, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

charlesu:

I would suspect that Mr. Letterman was INDEED aware that the younger Palin was in attendance of the game -- it was big news all over NYC -- you seriously are blaming the Palins for being defensive about this?! Did you see what Sen. McCaskill tweeted?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I was going to post an erudite and insightful comment until I saw the post by drindl about tobacco and some of the petty flame wars going on. WTF?? The lack of moderation of these comments completely discredits anything that is posted here.

Phhhhhttttttttt :-P

Posted by: ScottFromOz | June 11, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow this Bristol Palin Teen Abstinence Queen sure is a let-down. I don't see how she's going to be able to stand up to the hordes of horny men trying to get into her pants if she can't take a simple joke. I don't know who Willow is, but I hope mommy does a better job with her than Bristol. Maybe Sarah Palin learned her lesson and won't let her younger daughter shack up with a loser under her roof this time.

Hey, how long until we can mock the illegitimate grandchild??

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh, goodie, if we are going to discuss socialized healthcare now, can someone answer me what other "for profit" industry will be next? Legal services? Mortgages? Super markets and restaurants?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I would have more sympathy for palin if she hadn't made more than her share of really offensive remarks about Obama.

She's also one of the biggest whiners I've ever seen.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza, drivel, et al - Aren't you just sooo proud to have a fanatic like chris fox speaking for you? That is the depths to which you have descended. Enjoy your swim in the cesspool.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The Ten Reasons David Littleman should appologize:

10-He has nothing better to do, now that Libbies are in control!

9- It was the wrong Daughter!

8- It was obviously a Freudian Slip!

7- Todd's coming!

6- Most of the 3 Million without Converter Boxes are in Alaska-and are threatening to now never get one!

5- Sarah thinks David is starting to look Moose-ish!

4- By apologizing, he will be supporting the Democrat Socialist Agenda!

3- It would REALLY tick Chrisfox8, and Vegasgirl OFF!

2- Alex Rodriguez is coming after Him!

1- Aaaand, the #1 Reason Littleman should appologize: He MIGHT get Sarah to actually come onto his show, get him his best Ratings in a Decade;

and give the Old Guy a chance to meet a Hottie! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 11, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

There was obviously an egregious error on the part of the writers that provide Mr. Letterman with his material. I would suspect that Mr. Letterman wasn't aware that the younger Palin was in attendance of the game.
I am very disappointed in who ever made the statement "Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman." This is borderline slanderous and discouraging.
One would think that it is necessary to understand in order to forgive. Apparently there is no understanding on the Palins aids part.
Perhaps the aids have considered this to be advantageous media attention and feel it necessary to fan the flames to garner further coverage. Play with fire and get burned kiddies. Remember the golden rule, do unto others......

Posted by: charlesu | June 11, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"She [Palin] kills animals for sport, dozens at a time."

As do I (technically for taste). Preferably with a little ketchup and horseradish. (Oysters.)

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 11, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Now that the Global War Against Public Health Care is in full swing, let’s consider the main objection to it (the Times via Jon Taplin)

But critics argue that with low administrative costs and no need to produce profits, a public plan will start with an unfair pricing advantage. They say that if a public plan is allowed to pay doctors and hospitals at levels comparable to Medicare’s, which are substantially below commercial insurance rates, it could set premiums so low it would quickly consume the market.
Taplin makes the obvious point:

So let me get this straight. It’s not fair to have a public option because they don’t have to make obscene profits for their shareholders and they can use the leverage of the combined group of medicare and public option customers to negotiate better fees with doctors, hospitals and drug companies.

Isn’t that the point?

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Letterman should apologize."

I think he did, didn't he?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Palin has made more than her share of nasty implications and comments about the President and other politico's.

What goes around, comes around. No sympathy here.......

Posted by: aeaustin | June 11, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Definitely. I have no business reproducing.

Posted by: DDAWD

your wisdom clearly exceeds all the Libs on this blog combined, although that still only gets you a ride on the short bus.

you may want to consider refraning from offering expert opinion on child care though. I know libs know everything (all wrong) but I'm just saying, you wouldn't want to enter drivl/chrissuxit territory and become a complete joke.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Jeezus -- all this fuss. A late night comedian tells an inappropriate joke. Earthshattering.

It's not like he's Ann Coulter or something, inciting people to murder judges and doctors every day.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Of course he shares the views of a white supremacist, he's a f*cking Republican, what the hell do you expect? You trumpet this news like it's something you deserve a Nobel for figuring out and like it's possible to shame someone who holds such views. Get a grip. The guy is trash. We know this.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

you're not helping this forum by continuing to encourage a clod-stupid troll to post here. You do us a disservice.


Posted by: chrisux8 |


Lather rinse repeat

What we need is an endif statement for this stooge. Has he no idea?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"so dep dawg - darwinism has worked properly for once."

Definitely. I have no business reproducing.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

thinman1:

Hardly "all" day -- I was gone most of the morning -- just who is which hook? Better listen to "chrisfox8". You don't want to see him angry!

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Finally!

"The Senate approved landmark legislation today that would give the government sweeping new power to oversee tobacco, a centuries-old product used by 20 percent of Americans yet largely unregulated in this country.

[.....]

For the first time, the $89 billion tobacco industry would have to disclose the ingredients in its products. Under the new authority, the FDA could ban the most harmful of the estimated 6,000 chemicals used in cigarettes, cigars and other tobacco products. And it could reduce the amount of nicotine, perhaps to a point where tobacco is no longer addictive and smokers who want to quit can break free more easily. The legislation requires tobacco companies to expand the size of warning labels and include graphic images of the health effects of tobacco.

Advertising and promotion will also would be restricted. Tobacco manufacturers would be unable to use the terms “light,” “mild” and “low” unless they can scientifically prove that the product so labeled is less harmful than standard tobacco."

And about time.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

unpluggedboodah:

Are you aware that WILLOW (14 year old) was at the Yankee game, not Bristol (18 year old)?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Jake,
You clearly care very much what I think as yo've been taking my bait all day.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to know what Palin ever did to you?

==

She kills animals for sport, dozens at a time.

If you need more than that then we shouldn't bother communicating with each other

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

She took on big oil. Palin seems to be a fine person in a loving family.

she even went on Saturday Night Live.

Bottomline the election is over.. she lost and Palin will never be President..
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lEVI FOUND OUT THE "HARD WAY"...NO PUN INTENED... THAT THE PALIN'S ARE A STEP BELOW HIS FAMILIES TRAILER TRASH STATUS.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

sovine08

attempting to reason with those loons. you must be new here. they are empty headed misfits with no sense of decorum or morality. you might as well try to teach a fish to sing. you will get the same look back at you.

I dare you to find one intelligent or helpful statement on this entire blog posted by chrissuxit or drivl. all hate all the time.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox,
I'm not going to get into it with you, epspecially given the frequency with which you attack poeple and go after JakeD.

Hello kettle?, this is the pot. You're black.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27:

It's no use trying to reason with Obamaniacs.

thinman1:

No, and I am simply pointing out the reaction I get from the Obamaniacs when I accurately state my voter registration (one, in particular, claims I am "lying" because I do not type out "American Independent Party" each and every time). Again, I couldn't care less what you do.

(Using your own "logic") Should we expect anything better from YOU who shares in the same views of a white supremacist too?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

As the Teen Abstinence Queen, I expected Bristol Palin to have a thicker skin than this. In protest I will be having sex numerous times.

Palin is a circus that as a liberal, I CANNOT GET ENOUGH OF. PALIN in 2012!!!

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 11, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I can understand why JakeD is confused about von Brunn being a Dem.

He is citing the story that he ran for office in 1968. However, von Brunn spent part of '68 in jail, so it would ahve been impossible for him to run for office.

Still, sadly, it doesn't change the fact that our beloved JakeD shares the views of a white supremacist.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

thinman you are becoming repetitive, we get it, OK? And you're not helping this forum by continuing to encourage a clod-stupid troll to post here. You do us a disservice.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"drivel" - I am ashamed of you. Have you fallen so low, become so dishonest, that you would join with fanatics like chris fox and spread hatred and anarchy and rumors? Am I, now, a "right win parrot" because I would dare to leave the reservation you created? As you full well know, I voted for Obama, I campaigned for him, and left him when I saw how truly dangerous the movement he created had become. Before ll of this is over, I you have any decency left, any brains, any sense of self preservation, you will desert him, too.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

You know jaked wrote one of those letters.

Posted by: nodebris | June 11, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

FYI, we all agree that it was a "joke" -- no actual "rape" took place -- the question is whether said "joke" crossed the line. So, we need to at least agree on definitions.

The age of consent in New York is 17.

The offense will be more serious depending on relative ages, thus:

Sex with a person under 17 is a misdemeanor if the perpetrator is at least 16 (see infra). (“Sexual misconduct,” NY Penal Law § 130.20.)
Sex with a person under 17 is a Class “E” felony if the perpetrator is at least 21. (“Rape in the third degree,” NY Penal Law § 130.25; “Criminal sexual act in the third degree,” NY Penal Law § 130.40.)
Sex with a person under 15 is a Class “D” violent felony if the perpetrator is at least 18. However, it is a defense to this charge if an 18 year-old perpetrator proves by a preponderance that he or she was less than four years older than the victim. This is not a defense to any other charge that might apply, i.e., Sexual misconduct, supra. (“Rape in the second degree,” NY Penal Law § 130.30; “Criminal sexual act in the second degree,” NY Penal Law § 130.45.)

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

And in lighter news, Scott Roeder is getting tons of fan mail in prison and is delighted that his murder of Dr. Tiller has led to the closing of his clinic.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

intolerance, hatred, irrationality, and lack of morals and intellectual honesty demonstrated by Obama's mob

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

mikeB returns from his foray into madness.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Jake,
Post it again as I have been shadowing you all day and haven't see you post it.

Further, do you ahve any idea how many times you ahve asserted that you are also an Independent? So are you lying too?

But then again, shold we expect anything better from someone who shares the views of a white supremacist?

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

COLEBRACKETT wrote:
"Letterman is a comedian, and as such, not all of his jokes are funny. In contrast, Palin is a joke, and all she ever acts like is a comedian, which is never funny."

I agree wholeheartedly! It was obvious in his apology last night that he believed his joke referred to Palin's 18 year old daughter. Comedians sometimes say things that offend people BUT I don't think Dave is sexist or any other "ists.". He's probably made fun of men more often than of women.
Palin, and her blatant hypocrisy, has been asking for this kind of attention since she stepped onto the political stage less than 10 months ago. To call him a dirty old man at 62 is VERY ageist. He is funny and appropriately sensitive.

Posted by: Observer10 | June 11, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Jake,
There's really not much legitimacy in what you say given the fact that you shre the views of a white supremacist. But you ahve yet to provide any proof that I am a Democrat or that Mr. von Brunn is one.

Until then, there is nothing linking my views to a white supremacist.

I wish I could say the same for you.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

But it doesn't hold a candle to portraying Palin as executive timber, a vastly greater offense compared to which a joke at the expense of her sow-daughter's expired virtue is really harmless. This whole family is one big staph infection of an offense.
Posted by: chrisfox8
________
I'd like to know what Palin ever did to you? As far as I can tell she is a self made woman. Her daddy didn't have money she didn't have a last name of Bush or Kennedy.. everything she accomplished she did on her own. You should read her bio.. she got were she was by taking on the corrupt Republican establishment in Alaska. She took on big oil. So why all the hatred??? Is it just because she said yes to run with John McCain??? Palin seems to be a fine person in a loving family. She seemed to take all the ridicule coming from the Left with a smile.. she even went on Saturday Night Live. But if someone made a joke about your daughter or niece having sex with a grown man.. are you saying it wouldn't bother you??? Bottomline the election is over.. she lost and Palin will never be President.. I don't understand why you guys feel you need to keep piling on... what Dan Quayle jokes got to old???

Posted by: sovine08 | June 11, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

It's as though Jake D has never seen his show before. The top ten list is satire, not a news report. He's not alleging that any of Palin's children actually had sex with Alex Rodriguez at the game. He's making a joke at the expense of "Miss[ed] Abstinence."

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 11, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Jake is an idiot, of course.

Google Jerry Lee Lewis and Myra Gale Brown.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

You can't shame a troll, you can't annoy a troll, there is no kind of attention you can give a troll that doesn't gratify him.

Posted by: chrisux8
Spoken with authority of personal conviction. and leftist intellect.

what a bunch of loons live here!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I posted the WaPo / MSNBC link about him running for office in New Hampshire as a Democrat on the other thread. Feel free to find it there, or may I suggest GOOGLE?

P.S. we all know that everyone lies about being a "registered Independent" : )

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Why refute that von Brunn was a Democrat, when there's no evidence that he was? (Speaking of misinformed.)

There is however a picture of him on his web site, and his truck has a Bush/Cheney '04 bumper sticker.

Posted by: nodebris | June 11, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

the parrots on this board are so clever

compared to you drivl, a parrot is a genius. they actually memorize phrases and don't rely on cut and paste for their bird-brain thoughts.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Why am I bothering?

Because it's fun to watch JakeD squirm.

==

He's not squirming, he's wriggling with delight in a pile of his own poop. Giving him attention, even the most negative, attention, even exposing him in a lie, is nevertheless attention and that's what he comes here for.

Really want to see him squirm? Ignore him. In two days he'll be on the evening news.

You can't shame a troll, you can't annoy a troll, there is no kind of attention you can give a troll that doesn't gratify him.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

First of all since it was her younger daughter who came to NY with her it's understandable why Palin thought Dave was talking about her. And since having sex with a 14 year old is statutory RAPE, Palin had every right to call it that.
Posted by: sovine08
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BULLSHIDD... PALIN'S ARE INSTIGATORS, ARE YOU TRYING TO CONVINCE US ALL THAT THE PALIN'S CAN'T READ? WHAT A BUNCH OF SWINE FLU, TRAILER TRASH THESE PEOPLE ARE...

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

thinman1:

I couldn't care less what you "disavow" on a WaPo comment board -- the simple FACT remains, however, that you both support the Democratic Party -- sorry if your same "logic" make you squirm (I think that's the word you used ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The seven phases of Lib denial:

1: it was a joke
2: Repubs do it
3: they deserve it
4: It was out of context
5: while I personally decry it, who am I to pass judgment
6: that guy is not really a liberal
7: I am sorry if my remarks were misunderstood

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

First of all since it was her younger daughter who came to NY with her it's understandable why Palin thought Dave was talking about her. And since having sex with a 14 year old is statutory RAPE, Palin had every right to call it that.
Posted by: sovine08
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BULLSHIDD... PALIN'S ARE INSTIGATORS, ARE YOU TRYING TO CONVINCE US ALL THAT THE PALIN'S CAN'T READ? WHAT A BUNCH OF SWINE FLU, TRAILER TRASH THESE PEOPLE ARE...

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
I am a registered Independent.

Further, can you please provide a specific Web link indicating that Mr. von Brunn is a Democrat. Until you do, you ain't got nothing. Whereas, you still share the views of a white supremacist.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

the parrots on this board are so clever! they have every radical rightwing talking point memorized and they can repeat them endlessly, all day long!

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
You have also not asked me to disavow anything.

But Mr. von Brunn questions the legitimacy of the Obama Presidency. And here's what you posted at 4:22 pm: Oh, I have indeed questioned the legitimacy of the Obama "Presidency" (repeatedly).

So you share the views of Mr. von Brunn.

I've not suggested you are guilty by association. All I have stated is one fact.

If you don't want to share the views of Mr. von Bronn then disavow them -- ALL OF THEM. Until you do, there is no getting around the fact that you share the views of a white supremacist.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

thinman1:

Your support of the Democratic Party.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"drivel" - Chris isn't posting this nonsense for the right wing nuts, he's posting it for you Obama gerbil's. Basically, Chris is performing the function of right wing talk radio, drumming up hatred and intolerance for you Obama nuts. (I would call you "liberals", but the degree of intolerance, hatred, irrationality, and lack of morals and intellectual honesty demonstrated by Obama's mob, here, would/will shame anyone calling themselves a liberal.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

You are aware that sex with a 14-year old is statutory RAPE, right?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

While I'm certainly not a fan of Palin and think she's a joke of a pol, I have to say that I think even if Letterman was joking about her 18-year old daughter, he still crossed a line. Make fun of Palin all you want. There's more than enough material to mock before you need to start taking cheap shots at her kids.

Posted by: alkuth | June 11, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Name one issue where I agree with Mr. von Brunn.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Ann Coulter, the self described "conservative Christian" right-wing talking head, Ann Coulter has made her fortune by generating, fanning, and nurturing hatred and contempt for a variety of people, including liberals, Democrats, gays, foreign nationals, 9/11 widows, feminists, single mothers, Muslims, and any other group she could throw to her disenfranchised readership as shark bait.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

When President Obama signaled last week that he wants a government-run, government-owned health insurance provision to be included in the health-care reform bill being readied in the Senate, only one of the nation’s top five, large-circulation newspapers thought it was worthy of front-page coverage. The Los Angeles Times, which has the fourth highest newspaper circulation in the country, reported the story on its front page last Thursday.


News, what news?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

That's right, thinman1 (just as YOU won't disavow everything you believe in that he also believes in). Guilt by association is a logicial fallacy, but go ahead if you must.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Claiming that ''some Jews may be naïve, but we are not stupid'' former Navy and Marine Corps officer and Chaplain Rabbi Dr. Morton Pomerantz has blasted Barack Obama for ''creating a climate of hate'' against Jews. (Snip) ''Obama’s clever construct comparing the mass genocide of six million Jews to the Palestinian struggle will not be lost on the estimated 100 million Muslims who tuned in to hear him [in Cairo].


Libs - the party of HATE

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm what is commonly called "liberal" in American, and I have no problem stating that Letterman was out of line. You shouldn't target a politician's minor children in such a way -- even when the politician in question makes a career out of the reproductive decisions of her family.

That said, note that no one anywhere thinks Letterman speaks for the Democratic Party. Would that the same could be said of the loud-mouthed entertainers on the Republican side.

Posted by: nodebris | June 11, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

rrbb2003:

Exactly. I guess Sasha and Melia are "fair game" now too.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's JakeD's response to my request to disavow the views of a white supremacist:

thinman1:

No thanks.
(posted by JakeD at 4:19 pm)

Now it's clear just who JakeD prefers to associate with.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"since the daughter in NY with Palin was her younger daughter it's easy to see why she thought Letterman was talking about Willow."


Its as though they've never seen his show before. The top ten list is satire, not a news report. He's not alleging that any of Palin's children actually had sex with Alex Rodriguez at the game. He's making a joke at the expense of "Miss Abstinence."

That the Palins reacted the way they did speaks to their unpreparedness for nationwide political exposure. It is certainly understandable why they are offended. Their error is in publicly fueding with a comedian. It may rally the base, but its quite unbecoming for someone who hopes to be a political leader.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 11, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Can't we all just agree to leave the kids out of the fracas? They're not running for political office, and nobody elected them to anything. Just leave them all alone, Democratic or Republican. They can all do their little walk across the stage at the political conventions, and be photographed with their new dogs, and that's IT.

Letterman should apologize. He went over the line, regardless of whether he was talking about the 14-year-old who was actually at the game with her mother or (much less credibly) about the older sister. It was creepy to hear him make sexual jokes at the expense of a child, even a teenager, just because she is the daughter of a politician. (He wouldn't make those kinds of cracks about Malia or Sasha Obama, would he.) Let him aim his tasteless jokes at adults, and those adults who willingly put themselves into the camera's focus.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | June 11, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

dee150586:

Thank you!

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't watch Letterman anymore; he seems angrier as he ages. Imagine his remarks had been made about the president's 11 year old daughter, or your daughter or mine. I would be beyond furious.

a liberal who once loved Dave

Posted by: rrbb2003 | June 11, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I have indeed questioned the legitimacy of the Obama "Presidency" (repeatedly) -- I also accurately predicted that he would not legally be sworn in on January 20, 2009 -- I'm not denying that either.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

No matter you feel about gov palin, it was truely cruel for letterman to attack palins daughter. comedians should not be attacking children of politicians!!

Posted by: dee150586 | June 11, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

Exactly.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox,
Why am I bothering?

Because it's fun to watch JakeD squirm. The idea that he hasn't questioned the legitimacy of the Obama Presidency is laughable, as we all know.

Now we see the same view held by a white supremacist who committed a dispicable crime.

I'm just pointing out that it's very hard to listen to anyone who shares the views of Mr. von Brunn. I think we should point it out every time JakeD posts something on any blog here. Shouldn't everyone know the sort of person that JakeD intellectually associates with?

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

And of course, Palin decided to cross the line herself by saying that Letterman made a rape joke.
Posted by: DDAWD |
_____
First of all since it was her younger daughter who came to NY with her it's understandable why Palin thought Dave was talking about her. And since having sex with a 14 year old is statutory RAPE, Palin had every right to call it that.

Posted by: sovine08 | June 11, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't watch Letterman anymore; he seems angrier as he ages. Imagine his remarks had been made about the president's 11 year old daughter, or your daughter or mine. I would be beyond furious.

a liberal who once loved Dave

Posted by: rrbb2003 | June 11, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

thinman1:

No thanks -- even a broken clock is right twice a day (three times on Daylight Savings) -- as I proved using your "logic" you can't disavow everything you share in common with Mr. von Brunn as well. For instance, I heard that he's a registered DEMOCRAT. Are you going to disavow that to?!

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's right to ridicule children of politicans on national televison.

Posted by: sovine08

==

As it happens I agree with you in general.

But it doesn't hold a candle to portraying Palin as executive timber, a vastly greater offense compared to which a joke at the expense of her sow-daughter's expired virtue is really harmless. This whole family is one big staph infection of an offense.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

thinman: why waste your time on a dishonest troll with half your brains?

Posted by: chrisux8 | June 11, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

A guy whose entire life is spent posting on this board every 2 minutes talks about 'vagrants' on the board.

ya gotta laff.

Posted by: drivl | June 11, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

and there you have the vast intellect of the left on display. Repeat every five minutes.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I used to think that it was bush who deranged Libs so. now it is clear they need no cause to find that state. the response of hatred and misogyny on this board tells you all you need to know about the leftists in America today.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to me how often Cilizza does a column on what the rightwing trolls are obssessing about...

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27:

I feel sorry for Sarah Lovenheim having to wade through all of the rationalizations for a "joke" about a 33 year-old baseball player having sex with a 14 (or even 18) year old girl.

sasquatchbigfoot:

I may be a bitter, old white man, but you will have to quote even ONE post where I am "misinformed."

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

thinman: why waste your time on a dishonest troll with half your brains?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

A guy whose entire life is spent posting on this board every 2 minutes talks about 'vagrants' on the board.

ya gotta laff.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

so dep dawg - darwinism has worked properly for once.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Imus got fired for making sexist comments about a girls college basketball team. Didn't that teach Letterman anything? This isn't about Palin. It's about Letterman, a crude old man picking on young girls. It doesn't matter what daughter he was talking about. The offense is the same. Even his crass remarks about Palin were offensive. Why are women subjected to this abuse and it is abuse and some try to make excuses for it. There isn't any excuse.

Posted by: glasgow30 | June 11, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
I never suggested that you are anti-Semetic. Rather I stated, quite accurately, that you share the views of white supremacist:

You have repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of Obama's presidency based on what you view as the question about whether or not he is a natural born citizen of the US, and you have repeatedly asked why won't he release his long form birth certificate.

This is a view held by Mr. von Brunn. That is all I have said: that you share a similar view.

If you don't want to be associated with a white supremacist then disavow this too.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"You are a moron, the 18 yr old daughter was not at the game, the 14 yr old was. You must not have children or you wouldn't be defending the liberal hack Letterman."

And her 18 year old daughter was the one who was knocked up, not the 14 year old. This is a joke, not a documentary.

And no, I have no children, because, you know, the whole protection thing.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

To me Letterman shouldn't be making jokes about EITHER daughter getting pregant...
And since the daughter in NY with Palin was her younger daughter it's easy to see why she thought Letterman was talking about Willow. For that alone Dave should say he is sorry. But even if Letterman meant Bristol who is 18.. I don't think it's right to ridicule children of politicans on national televison.

Posted by: sovine08 | June 11, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I understand why Libs are all for government run health care. Most of them, especially the vagrants on this board, need to see a shrink immediately. Of course they would only go if someone else pays for it, hence the current situation.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I will never watch Letterman again. I always thought he was mean and not too funny, now I am pretty sure he is way past his prime. He is not funny, he is not smart, he is not right, he is not an American.

Posted by: maplady6000 | June 11, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

ILDem and Nosy_Parker:

Does that mean that Sasha and Melia are fair game now too?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

KOZ, Mark_in_austin - We have never agreed about politics, but I think we agree about the new brand of left wing hate that is an outgrowth of Obama's movement. This has dragged every sort of right and left wing nutjob out of the closet and the result is going to be violence and the abandonment is rational thought and civi discourse. The contortions Obama's gerbils are going through to justify this hate crime is simply amazing and I don't even want to think about where it will end.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Chris, I think you meant to write that Sen. Claire McCaskil "flouts" your warning.

See http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/flaunt.html

It's nice to see that Jake D is alive and well, and upholding the perspective of misinformed, bitter, old white men.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | June 11, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

No, she finally made it too.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

To hell with the whole Palin family. Do the GOP, Alaska, and the USA a big favor and put the whole squealing snorting bellowing lowing bunch of them in a burlap bag with a couple of bricks and toss them into the bay.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

And of course, Palin decided to cross the line herself by saying that Letterman made a rape joke. I don't know if she noticed, but her daughter is perfectly willing to have unprotected sex on her own accord.
Posted by: DDAWD |
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Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

You say you belong to the Democratic Party (started by SLAVEOWNER rapist, Thomas Jefferson). I won't hold that against you.

thinman1:

"I don't agree with any of those conspiracy theories -- it very easily could have been just Obama's mother who knew about his birthplace."

Posted by: JakeD | January 26, 2009 3:19 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/01/26/potus_events_1.html

BTW: Mr. von Brunn attacked a JEWISH Center. Could you provide even ONE anti-Semitic quote from me, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, or Rush Limbaugh. Let me know if you need the many, many anti-Semitic quotes from Jessie Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Rev. Wright.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Jake -- you said you belonged to the American Independent party


The American Independent Party is a political party that was a vehicle for the 1968 presidential campaign of Governor of Alabama George C. Wallace, considered a leading advocate of racial segregation

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

ILDem
Yet another hypocrite who puts her children in the public eye then squeals like a hog when someone else dare talk about them.

Worse than that, Sarah hides behind their skirts, like at that Flyers game last fall. What a coward!

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Sarah can you clean that moose meat from your teeth when you smile.

sarah and todd are some sick mo.fo's. if todd were so concern about someone having s.e.x with any of his daughters.

Let him get off his lazy a.s.s and check his daughters rooms.

todd palin is a p.hucken piece of eskimo t.u.r.d.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Public Service Announcement: Never get between the Palins and a camera or microphone, as they'll trample you worse than a bullmoose after a cow in estrus.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 11, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

this is so ripe for liberal hypocrisy. even the hate-filled idiotic drivl stayed away.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Why does Letterman think it's funny to make a joke about Palin's teenage daughter? Couldn't he find an adult to pick on or is he afraid to do that?

Posted by: ttj1 | June 11, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

And of course, Palin decided to cross the line herself by saying that Letterman made a rape joke. I don't know if she noticed, but her daughter is perfectly willing to have unprotected sex on her own accord.

Posted by: DDAWD |


You are a moron, the 18 yr old daughter was not at the game, the 14 yr old was. You must not have children or you wouldn't be defending the liberal hack Letterman.

Posted by: kitzdakat | June 11, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

classless and tasteless and ugly Libs vs beautiful, all-american grounded conservative.

No contest. but the situation is telling about the nastiness of most Libs.

Maybe bush made him do it. Or lack of it.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Yet another hypocrite who puts her children in the public eye then squeals like a hog when someone else dare talk about them.

Posted by: ILDem | June 11, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
In no way have I ever implied that I am a thin man. Perhaps you are away of the old pulp fiction character, Nick Charles? The first Nick Charles movie, starring William Powell was called The Thin Man. My screen name is based on that. And in as much as you ahven't asked me to deny anything, your notion that I indeed have something to deny is equally false.

Mr. von Brunn has never said anything about his weight, so you are wrong there.

And you have NEVERE asserted that Obama is confused about his birth. Rather you ahve stated that his refusal to release the long form birth certificate is evidence that he is hiding something. A view that is factually shared by Mr. von Brunn. Ergo, YOU are the one that shares the views of a white supremacist.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The jokes weren't nearly as offensive as the intentional misrepresentation of the jokes by Ms. Palin and her idiot husband.

THEY brought the 14 year old into this to score cheap political points, rail against "Hollywood/New York" and continue their desperate attempts to stay politically relevant.

They should be ashamed of themselves for a) involving the daughter who is a minor--even though it was obvious the jokes weren't about her and b) for intentionally drawing more attention to said jokes and making this a 3 day story.

Posted by: reubencarter | June 11, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

And to think, Letterman just attended one of those abstain-from-picking-on-politico's-kids seminars. Maybe he can get his money back.

Posted by: twstroud | June 11, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Letterman is not a man. He is a slimeball who uses a child to express his hatred of the Govenor of Alaska.Hopefully he will run into the Govenors husband someday and this poor excuse of a human being will get his reward. But unfotunately Letterman and his followwers are cowards who only attack women and children.

Posted by: a4853916 | June 11, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Letterman is a comedian, and as such, not all of his jokes are funny. In contrast, Palin is a joke, and all she ever acts like is a comedian, which is never funny.

Posted by: COLEBRACKETT | June 11, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

It used to be that we could count on the Limbaugh's and Arian Nation types to be the nasty ones. Now, it is Obama's gerbils, gone from being empty head true believers to fanatics that are not one bit different. The new bigots, the new Nazi's, Obama's true believers. My how the dream has turned into a nightmare.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

HughBriss:

If you don't want to answer my simple questions, that's fine with me.

thinman1:

I am not lying. Why are YOU lying? Every single time you have posted on this board, you implictly claim to be a "thin man". Mr. von Brunn holds the same exact view.

So the statement that you share the views of a white supremancist is also accurate, 100% true, and YOUR non-denial "denial" is even more laughable.

P.S. I have said that it is possible Obama doesn't know, for sure, where he was born -- he could just be mistaken -- nothing necessarily "nefarious" about that.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If she can't stand the heat, maybe she should go back to the kitchen. If the GOP didn't have a policy of NEVER, EVER admitting any misjudgment of any kind ever, she would have just gone away by now. So we're stuck with her shrill hysteria, at least until her next defeat, because the Republicans can't admit she was a cynical, unjustifiable choice in the first place.

Posted by: WitnessToInsanity | June 11, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, it's time to turn off the computer and do your algebra homework. If you flunk another test, your parents are cutting off AOL and your allowance.

Posted by: HughBriss | June 11, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"She's an adult, she got politically involved, she's fair game."

Mind you also that Bristol, the second she had her child, started parading it around on the cover of People Magazine. Bristol Palin has decided to make herself a public figure, and ought to accept the slings and arrows that accompany it. Ditto for governor Palin.

Posted by: VTDuffman | June 11, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Finally: why do comics think the Palin kids are NOT off limits? We have a long tradition in this country that the kids of politicans, except in extreme circumstances, are off limits. Why aren't these?"

The joke was about Bristol, who is 18. Not a kid.

Second, Bristol herself was used as a political tool during the campaign as a shining example of someone who made the choice not to have an abortion and somehow justified her mother's wish to refuse anyone this choice.

She's an adult, she got politically involved, she's fair game.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

DanielfromCanada - Oh, then, since Obama has allowed photo's of his children and wife in the press, can we all assume that they are now fair game for the right wing press. Bring it on! Let's have reporters sneaking around their school, report/invent scandals concerning their playmates and their families. Let's just have it al out, destroy their privacy, wreck their childhood, do to them *exactly what the mainstream media has done to the Palin's children. Just quit trying to justify the unjustifiable, quit being so dishonest. Anyone can come up with an excuse for attacking the families, but that doesn't make it right.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to be a bit off topic but there are still two wars going on, raging deficits, an ever growing national debt, as well as movement on health care legislation that could change 17% of the U.S. GDP. Why should I care about what David Letterman said about some hack politician's daughter from Alaska?

Posted by: brownm1 | June 11, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"Sex with a 14-year old (even in New York City) is still statutory RAPE."

You're being intellectually dishonest by pretending that when Letterman referred to Palin's Daughter being "knocked up," he was not referring to the daugther who was famously "knocked up" during the entirety of the presidential election.

Of course, coming from you, I can't really say this is a suprise.

Posted by: VTDuffman | June 11, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

HughBriss:

Which Palin daughter are you calling a "big walrus"? The 14 year old or the 18 year old?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

See what just a few minutes of being ignored can do? Imagine what we'll see after two days

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Over the line. Not funny. Not even close. He should apologize.

While I certainly agree that Palin uses her kids as campaign props, i still think it's wrong to punish them for their parents' sins.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Why are you lying? You have posted on this board up and down that Obama is hiding something about his birth. Mr. von Brunn holds the same view. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/11/AR2009061101086_5.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009061101157)

So the statement that you share the views of a white supremancist is accurate, 100% true, and your denial is laughable.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Palin uses all her kids as props. If she cared about their exposure she'd leave them at home instead of having them trotting around with her.

What kind of mother throws a calf and then names it "Track?"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

DanielfromCanada and cyberfool (obviously):

Does that mean that I can "joke" about Sasha and Melia being crack-wh*res?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

If Letterman's gonna apologize to anybody, it oughta be to Alex Rodriguez. Why would he want to mess around with some big walrus from Alaska?

Posted by: HughBriss | June 11, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

And of course, Palin decided to cross the line herself by saying that Letterman made a rape joke. I don't know if she noticed, but her daughter is perfectly willing to have unprotected sex on her own accord.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

Sex with a 14-year old (even in New York City) is still statutory RAPE.

thinman1:

I do not share any of von Brunn's nefarious views.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Letterman was not out of line with his jokes. Palin has used her daughter as a prop, trotting her out everytime she has a "family values" statement to make. If her daughter lived a private life, protected from the public eye then, yes, Letterman would have crossed the line. But Palin ensures her daughter is in the public eye, thus making her fair game for late night jokes, however tasteless.

Posted by: DanielfromCanada | June 11, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I think that the children of politicos are off limits, EXCEPT when you are pushing abstinence-only sex-ed and your own kids prove how "unproductive" that approach actually is. So has anyone figured out how young Bristol was when she started having unprotected, non-marital sex?

Posted by: cyberfool | June 11, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I guess Palin is fortunate to have the press on her side with this. I thought that David Letterman called her a sllut. No, he said she updated her sllutty flight attendant look.

VERY different.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

RandomGuy:

http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/beltway/photos_story/2008/09/04/little_palin_puts_a_spit_shine_on_brother_trig_s_h.jpg

This is not Britany Spears we are talking about. I've never seen a photo of Willow (or Bristol, for that matter) semi-clad running around malls.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

It isn't just Letterman vs. Palin, it is MSNBC, and especially nasty dishonest partisan's like Contessa Brewer, versus Palin. One thing that you need to be clear about, Chris, is that big media has jumped into the cultural war. We've got Fox and Limbaugh on one side and you and Obermann and trash like Brewer on the other. No one can win this and it is tearing the country apart. Cut it out! A reports job is to report.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 11, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Children weren't off limits when, several years ago, a prominent Republican politician quipped: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father." Ironically, but not unsuprisingly, that same Prominent Republican was Sarah Palin's Running mate in last year's election.

Posted by: VTDuffman | June 11, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

thinman: why waste your time on a moron? He'll never give you an honest answer, and the meltdown we will all be privileged to witness after two days of no responses will be infinitely more entertaining.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Letterman's joke was crude, but not over the line in and of itself. According to AP story, linked above, the joke was part of a Top Ten list of events during Palin's visit to NYC:

"Letterman said "an awkward moment" occurred for Palin when, "during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by (Yankee third baseman) Alex Rodriguez.""

It took Todd Palin to change the context & turn it into rape. The Palins should put themselves above the fray, rather than wading into the thick of it. Their media approach should have been limited to responding that "As a public figure, Gov Palin expects to be a target for late night commedians, whether they're funny or not. She requests that they leave her children out of the jokes."

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 11, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, tigmet and newbeeboy. When will Letterman suggest that Sasha and Melia are crack-wh*res?

P.S. -- I believe that Mr. Cillizza's newborn (son) was just born recently. Can we start making fun of Charlie too?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Whackadoodle -- perfect fit for the entire Palin family. It amazes me that Republicans are so hot for someone who has an average (or below average) intelligence leading me to believe it is a qualifier for belonging to that party. I know that I have average intelligence, stronger in some areas and weaker in others but the one thing I readily admit is I am average and do not have all the answers. I also encourage those who are wiser/smarter to lead and listen to them before forming my own opinion(s). When I see/hear a Bachmann or Palin I realize Republicans hate intelligence and only require men to brag and women to simper and wink -- that's sad.

As for Dave's remarks - he apologized but have yet to hear any entertainer from Faux or Rush to apologize for their remarks about any Democrat or Independent who opposes them. I guess that's another Republican trait - arrogance and the inability to understand that in American EVERYONE is equal under the law.

Posted by: Lemon7221 | June 11, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Jake,
You believe you are a thin man and so does he?

Way to avoid the question. You ahve stated on many occassions that you believe Obama is hiding somethng about his birth. The white supremacist attacker also shares the same view.

So far, you haven't denounced the attack or distanced yourself from his other repugnant views. So until you state othersie, all we know right now is that you share the views of a white supremacist.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Im no fan of Palin, and I had hoped she would quietly slink back to Alaska and stay quiet. But instead, she seems to think that her popularity with some in Middle America overcomes her lack of experience and basic knowledge about geo-politics.

Having sais that, Letterman was totally out of line in dragging her daughters into his "comedy". Esepcially given one is only 14. He should man up and apologise. Period. As much as it is hard to look at 14 year olds as kids, these days with their semi-clad bodies running around malls, they are still kids stuck in a confused celebrity driven culture.

Posted by: RandomGuy | June 11, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Letterman is learning the lesson so many bloggers learn: if you talk too much and too often sooner or later you are going to say something *very* regrettable.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 11, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

ChrisFox...you can't possibly be a parent. Yes, it would be great if your equation always held true: kids have unprotected sex ONLY if the parents aren't paying attention. Ah, if life were that simple.

My kids have had the whole talk, over and over again. Are they listening to me? I hope so. If they aren't, it is not a failure of our lack of caring.

So please concede to us that you don't have kids. If you do, and you are under the illusion that simply by "caring," all issues are taken care of, then you are sure to get a serious surprise one of these days.

Posted by: tigmet | June 11, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

tailwagger:

Here are just the first three news stories about Gov. Palin and 14 year old Willow at the game.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20090607/NEWS01/906070331/1002/NEWS

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny-sarahpalin0608,0,1640711.story

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jY8bl9zKRhMdsDqWdtkIlf4Sv-HgD98M7E785

thinman1:

You believe that you are a thin man, so does he.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It seems that comments about the Obama family are off limits.. but when it come to the Palin's.. anything goes.

Letterman should be responsible for his utterances.. without exception. His network should also rethink things.. along these same lines. It's pretty much inexcusable.

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 11, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

... and her secessionist husband is probably going to end up in the penitentiary

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Palin is fair game because she is a grotesque subhuman sow.

The irony of her "family values" pretensions while mothering a daughter emerging as the poster-girl for the efficacy of abstinence-only education is too good to leave alone.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

If the governor wants to maintain her activity in the political debate she needs to get over herself. She wants to flaunt her family as proof of her social values then she should be prepared for comedians and pundits alike to use these 'assets' against her. Politics is the name of the game and if family values is your issue then your family is in the game. As the saying goes " if you can't take the heat..."

Posted by: zenmastersmartass | June 11, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody think David Letterman would say this about a male office-holder?

Given that Obama has a half-brother who has been found to be a sex offender in the UK, do we think that Letterman would ever make a joke about the half-brother doing something to one of the Obama daughters on a family visit?

I also want to echo the poster who mocked the idea that even if Letterman legitimately thought it was the 18YO at the game, and not the 14YO, this hardly excuses the joke.

Finally: why do comics think the Palin kids are NOT off limits? We have a long tradition in this country that the kids of politicans, except in extreme circumstances, are off limits. Why aren't these? And why aren't women of all political stripes -- liberal also -- screaming about the fact that everyone seems to think the Palin kids are fair game? It is disgraceful.

Posted by: tigmet | June 11, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

thinman1: please don't provide opportunities for the trolls to lie, just ignore them. In the long run it will be a lot more entertaining, just wait and watch.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

From the context of the past year or so of Palin news, it was clear to me, the entire Letterman audience, and anyone without a pro-Palin political axe to grind that Letterman's joke was referring to Palin's oldest daughter. Whether the oldest daughter was present at the game is irrelevant, the joke wasn't reporting news or covering current events, it was making fun of Alex Rodriguez for being a womanizing cretin, and Palin's daughter for her unprotected premarital baby-making activity. Once again the Palins are doing whatever they can to stay in the light of public attention, and I'm all for it. If she hangs around long enough, she might end up getting the repub nomination against Pres. Obama in 2012. This would guarantee his reelection, so by all means...keep up the bluster, Palins.

Posted by: fake42 | June 11, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Based on your many postings here, you believe Obama is hiding something in his background. The Holocaust attacker does too (www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/10/james-von-brunn-apparentl_n_214006.html).

Wat views do I share with a white supremacist? (Please provide proof, quotes, etc.)

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Q: If Bristol got lost in a herd of sheep and one of the sheep was also named Bristol, how could you find her?

A: Call our her name and see who snorts

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Great Palin pic, Chris, the bovine expression is just perfect.

She looks like someone who has multiple pairs of breasts, in a line.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Palin's daughter was famously "knocked up" and that fact was announced by the campaign last fall to deflect criticism of the governor herself. The Palins are out of line accusing Letterman of making a rape joke at the expense of a 14-year-old, and Dave was fully justified defending himself. Their biggest mistake is to be so full of themselves to think he knew which daughter went to the Yankee game.

Posted by: tailwagger | June 11, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

thinman1:

So do you.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

thinman1: we ignore zouk and Jake around here. Responding to them in any way only keeps them around

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Just like SecState Clinton is "finished" (and may run for President again in 2016)?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

.. call them Trevor and Dakota and Rienna like the rest of the trailer trash

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
It's pretty ironic to hear you talk about stuff like this consider the views you share with the white supremacist who attacked the Holocaust Museum yesterday, killing a security guard.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

If Palin cared this much about her kids, perhaps she'd have known one of them was having frequent unprotected sex in high school?

==

If she cared about her kids she wouldn't saddle them with whackadoodle names like Track and Trig.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Better cover up your neck, Sarah, it's going crepey already.

Your face will soon follow, and after that you're finished.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

After the way that vicious harpy behaved at the RNC and at her rallies? Attack away, nobody deserves it more.

After smiling at shouts of "kill him!" from uh people attending her rallies, the idea of treating Palin with respect just falls flat. To hell with her and to hell with her rapidly-growing family.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Palin is just making more fuss to keep herself in the limelight, which the media inexplicably grants her any time she decides to complain about people disliking her.

Letterman's joke was hilarious. If Palin cared this much about her kids, perhaps she'd have known one of them was having frequent unprotected sex in high school?

Palin is a hypocrite and Letterman was exploiting the fact for humor. It's what comedians do.

Posted by: thecrisis | June 11, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Statement from Meghan Stapleton, Palin spokesperson

"The Palins have no intention of providing a ratings boost for David Letterman by appearing on his show. Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman."

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news36.aspx

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Statements from Sarah and Todd Palin

"Any 'jokes' about raping my 14-year-old are despicable. Alaskans know it, and I believe the rest of the world knows it, too."

- Todd Palin

"Concerning Letterman's comments about my young daughter (and I doubt he'd ever dare make such comments about anyone else's daughter): 'Laughter incited by sexually-perverted comments made by a 62-year-old male celebrity aimed at a 14-year-old girl is not only disgusting, but it reminds us some Hollywood/NY entertainers have a long way to go in understanding what the rest of America understands - that acceptance of inappropriate sexual comments about an underage girl, who could be anyone's daughter, contributes to the atrociously high rate of sexual exploitation of minors by older men who use and abuse others.'"

- Governor Sarah Palin

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news35.aspx

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Of course Letterman was out of line, and he's lucky that Todd was not there personally to "defend" his daughter to Dave's face -- I hope such a defense is not outside the average American ideal, but who knows anymore -- BTW: Letterman's "defense" that the joke was about their 18 year old daughter is hardly any better, but not even believeable, since it was their 14 year old who went to the game.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

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