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Wag the Blog Redux: What Should Hillary Do?

Earlier this week we asked Fixistas to sound off on the role that Hillary Rodham Clinton should play in the presidential campaign going forward in light of a new Washington Post/ABC News poll that showed Barack Obama losing significant support among white women to John McCain and the emergence of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as the Republican vice presidential nominee.

Nearly 400 commenters addressed the issue with responses split between those who said Clinton's only path to the presidency in 2012 was to support Obama in every way possible and those who said the New York senator should not criticize Palin for fear of tarnishing her own image in advance of 2012.

Post.com politics producer Sarah Lovenheim scanned the responses and collected the most insightful entries below. Congrats to those picked!

"Hillary should absolutely go to bat for Obama. she should be saying, girls, vote for a woman? yes. but not that woman, for x,y,z reasons...If she has any chance for herself she will show she has so much fight in her that people will see her go and say, "we should have chosen her" so if Obama loses, she will have a chance in 2012. If she gives a half-xxxed effort, then she doesn't deserve a second chance next election cycle." --marisol gold

"It has never been a winning strategy to campaign against a VP candidate, at least not in my lifetime... "-- MarkInAustin

"I thought Obama was the best candidate ever has everything going for him, popularity, charm, eloquence, support, money. Why then does he need HRC to help him out of this rut he's in now. If he was a real candidate that [people] want he'd need no help..." --bryan

"Hillary should echo the lipstick on a pig comment. This would draw huge media attention, defuse the sexism charge, show support for Obama, and underscore the substantive point that the McCain policies are just a continuation of the Bush policies." --Gene L

"Senator Clinton, encourage people to vote for change not lipstick." --Jerry

"[Clinton's] relative silence about Sarah Palin seems to be her way of getting back at Obama for a.) losing the primary, and b.) losing the VP bid...Hillary needs to speak up now and she needs to be loud & clear about it. Otherwise, the Dems will lose this election..." --Don

"Hillary should stay out of it... Hillary should let the chips fall where they may, not criticize any woman, and wait for 2012." -- Roncapecod

"Why should Hillary commit a political suicide by attacking Palin,especially now,when Obama and Biden are drawing flak for their derogatory and dismissive remarks about her?Why should she be his attack dog after Obama and his cronies attacked her non stop during the primaries before stealing the nomination? He should be thankful that she is at least being a good democrat and is campaigning for him." --Hillary2012

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Hillary has done enough for the self-annointed messiah . . . more than he would ever have done for her. Let "daddy" Biden change his diapers in the future.

Posted by: Lynn | September 23, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

It's time for Obama to finish this race like a grownup and take the outcome like a grownup and stop depending on others, including Hillary, to remove every obstacle from his path.
Besides, Hillary has got more important business to take care of, such as formulating plans to save the economy.

Posted by: Mary Lou | September 23, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Clearly Hillary was required to do more than any other looser in history to support the nominee.
When was it ever the responsibility of the loser to unite the party?
If Obama was any type of leader he would have united the Democrats by now. Instead, he chose to dismiss them and that alone will cost him the election.
Trying to blame Hillary is ridiculous.

Posted by: Snowtiger | September 23, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Hillary's done more than enough, starting off back when she endorsed Obama so quickly after suspending her campaign.

Knock it off,it's time for Obama to stand on his own two feet.

Posted by: Cindy | September 23, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Hillary has done enough. The Obama folks treated her terribly. She and Bill are just waiting until her turn comes. I love Hillary. I am voting for Palin, though, unless Hillary reappears on the ticket.

Posted by: thecandypoem | September 23, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has done enough for the Obama campaign. If Barack was the better candidate, why should Hillary have to fight every battle for his campaign. Barack Obama is running for president, not Hillary Clinton. She should not say a thing about Palin, that's Barack's responsibility.

Posted by: Brian | September 20, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama did Clinton a favor by not naming her VP candidate.

What you say? Consider:

If Obama loses:

Clinton is not tarred by the campaign. Instead she gets to run on an "you should have picked me" platform in 2012. After 4 years of McCain/Palin, she could have a landslide victory.

If Obama wins:

Clinton does not want to be VP. GHW Bush was the first sitting VP to win the Presidency in more than 150 years. It just doesn't happen that often.

But.. suppose Hillary DOES want to be VP going into the 2016 elections. Joe Biden has no Presidential ambitions. He could step down in 2012, citing age and health. The need for his experience would be lessened by Obama having 4 years under his belt.

That's my contention anyway. Being VP for 8 years would not do Clinton any favors. But running in 2012 either as VP or President against McCain (or Palin given McCain's health) is attractive.

I'll bet she figured this out already, she's a smart cookie.

And by the way:

Dumb and Dumber, Thanks but no thanks

Posted by: DDS | September 19, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

What should Hillary Clinton do? The same thing she has been doing! She has come out, after losing by a hair a hair to Obama, to support him and Joe Biden.


Hillary Clinton deserves a break here. She is a very good loser, coming out for Obama and Biden.

Posted by: Lenny | September 18, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

She should go back to Arkansas & run for President ... of Wal-mart.
She has real experience there. she was on the board for years.

Posted by: Martha | September 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

How is Biden feeling lately? I hear a rumor he is starting to get some nasty headaches... you know, the kind that somewhere around October 5th, he might have to step down as the VP choice? Hmm... wonder who Obama might pick?? Let me think... let me think.... Senator Dodd? No, he's busy with his dealings with Countrywide. Hmm... Rangel? No, he's got money issues to deal with oh, and that pesky windfall of cash that he some how acquired.... Gosh, maybe, just maybe The Chosen One will part the seas and that failiar pantsuit will stroll into sight! Better file Michelle's nails down! WOW - 3 Presidents for the price of one!

Posted by: Pacaderm | September 18, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

WHY WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT DIFFERENCE?

Why is it that anything say about Gov. Palin is sexist? The pig and lipstick comment had nothing to do with Palin. Obama was talking about McCain's policy. Like the Gibson interview. Just because Gibson asked a question that Gov. Palin had no clue about. He was said to be too hard on Gov. Palin and that was called sexist! ARE YOU KIDDING? McCain has no plan for the country nor do Gov. Palin. That why McCain picked Gov. Palin. He needed something to turn the campaign off him. Any female would have done as Gov.Palin. She is inexperince and is under investigation for abuse of power.Something this country just don't need. President Bush was enough! Gov.Palin need to spend more time with her children. BOTH HER AND HER HUSBAND'' There 17 years old daughter is pregnant there son that is in high school has problem with his temper. Goc. Palin's husband has a drinking problem . Both are not good parent and the country should be able to say that! All the Palin's talk of abstinence is just TALK! Gov. Palin's daughter don't believe her mother! This female is just the wrong female for America.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

September 05, 2008
A questionable alliance? Obama and Khalid al-Mansour
An interesting report from Newsmax:

Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.

In a videotaped interview this year on New York’s all news cable channel NY1, a prominent African-American businessman and political figure made the curious disclosures about Obama.

Percy Sutton, the former borough president of Manhattan, off-handedly revealed the unusual circumstances about his first encounter with the young Obama.

“I was introduced to (Obama) by a friend who was raising money for him,” Sutton told NY1 city hall reporter Dominic Carter.

“The friend’s name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas,” Sutton said. “He is the principal adviser to one of the world’s richest men. He told me about Obama.”

Sutton, the founder of Inner City Broadcasting, said al-Mansour contacted him to ask a favor: Would Sutton write a letter in support of Obama’s application to Harvard Law School?

“He wrote to me about him,” Sutton recalled. “And his introduction was there is a young man that has applied to Harvard. I know that you have a few friends up there because you used to go up there to speak. Would you please write a letter in support of him?”

Sutton said he acted on his friend al-Mansour’s advice.
And a bit more:

Although many Americans have never heard of Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour (his full name), he is well known within the black community as a lawyer, an orthodox Muslim, a black nationalist, an author, an international deal-maker, an educator, and an outspoken enemy of Israel.
How many more of these skeletons are in Obama's closet?

Why doesn't he disclose these relationships?

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Posted by: NOBAMA | September 18, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

Hillary was the best..and she has proven to be a true blue Dem/// After the way Obama treated her, it was shameful how his bullies treated her and he stood by like a pompus arrogant elitis that he is. Hillary is a true blue and is to be admired. She needs to do what her heart, mind and soul tells her to do and I will respect any discision that she makes!
to the Delegates, Super Delegates and BAck Stabber: BIG MISTAKE, HUGE MISTAKE, HUGE!!!
You pick the wrong candidate!

Posted by: VoteResponsibly08 | September 18, 2008 4:50 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should do what she thinks right. I wish she would stop campaigning for Obama, after all the insults and shoddy treatment she got from him, the DNC, and the media. Obama made a big error in judgment in not picking Hillary. The DNC made a big error in judgment in fixing the elections to favor their Obama. I hope Hillary pulls out and stops campaigning. Clearly she does not support Obama deep in her heart. And I don't blame her.

Posted by: thecandypoem | September 18, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Palin=Criminal
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/17/palin.investigation/index.html

It is not a matter of only Republicans do bad things. Rather, Republicans only do bad things. Common sense sees right through the chablis and bree GOP country club set that just sees us as a tax mine.

Exact and complete quote from Carly Fiorina, no matter what consumate Right Wing partisan liars would have you believe. On the record, and fact checked:

Carly: "Well, I don't think John McCain could run a major corporation, I don't think I could run a major corporation, I don't think you could run a major corporation,"

Carly continues (this part conveniently left out by the Right Wing McCain lap-doggers) "It is a fallacy to suggest that the country is like a company. So, of course, to run a business, you have to have a lifetime of experience in business, but that's not what Sarah Palin, or John McCain have. Businesses are held accountable for poor business practices, bad investments, and breaking the law. Sarah Palin and John McCain simply would not have to answer to any of those three concerns were they in the White House."

Come on folks! Don't drag this out. You're keeping the inanity of the Bush-McCain Failed Talking Points in the rotation!

This is just one example of daily bias by the Post, CNN and the NY Times.

These numbers were before the surge.

Did you know that 47 countries' have reestablished their embassies in Iraq, leaving only 145 that have not?

Did you know that the Iraqi government
currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people in exotic jobs ranging from human landmine clearance to IED shielding on the exterior of vehicles transporting officials?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction; and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq, while only 4000 have been destroyed?

Did you know that Iraq 's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers, all currently operating without any students?

Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in
January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program and were never seen or heard from again?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5 - 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment which have been used primarily for piracy in the Gulf, and for raiding small villages along the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates.

Did you know that Iraq's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons,
Which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers, as well as 7000 paper airplanes donated by American school children?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion which have both engaged American forces in combat, or retreated from combat situations when fighting along side American forces?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers who regularly engage American forces in combat?

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks, all of whom defect within days to the insurgency?

Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq intended to replace the more than 80,000 structures destroyed since the invasion?

They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities 69 electrical facilities, and assorted defensive walls, barriers, and fortifications.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations, as well as a lifetime supply of PTSD?

Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October, but that by November 2.6 million girls had been removed?

Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158% since the integration of cell phones as detonators on IEDs?

Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers, 10 television stations, and 6000 "Armed Truth Squads"?

Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004, and has since lost only 4,200% of its opening value?

Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a
televised debate recently because it was too dangerous to debate in front of a live audience?

Phil Gramm was actually in favor of a Sub-Prime crisis. This is a known, and very well publicized fact. He knew that if US banks were able to diversify without any government regulation, that a sub-prime crisis could be created through inevitably loose lending policies.

He's on record as the sponsor of the bill that created it, and he continues to support that same bill today, as it achieved precisely what he set out to accomplish: An economic climate that would artificially increase the asset wealth of America's poor and through the use of a deliberate campaign of misinformation, encourage these same individuals to carry more debt. Once this had been achieved, the bill was designed to then create the economic environment (through rapid deregulation) that we have seen over the past several years; a rapid loss of available credit and available jobs leading directly to an enormous loss of wealth amongst the poor that would lead them to remain on the bottom with low education and poor skill sets. The end game? Simply the creation of an environment wherein more major corporations (the primary backers of Gramm and McCain for decades) could abandon American workes for cheap foreign labor, thus providing maximum profits for the very top 1% of society. These 1% have been further protected by the Bush-McCain tax cuts, which actually increased taxes on 95% of Americans (the bottom 95%).

This is so basic, and so well known that only a complete fool would argue against it. Why else would it be news?! Honestly... Plan and simple facts.

Hah! Laughable! When the going gets tough, the Republicans leave for Crawford, or Aspen. No worries there, as its a Democrat's job to save the country. Again.

The correlation between hard work and success is limited. Obviously, Obama is where he is because he worked hard and earned it. Bush and McCain are where they are because their fathers and grandfathers worked hard.

McCain has never even paid a bill in his life, so why should we trust him to protect our money? I don't think we need another silver spoon republican trying to run the economy. Just look at what happened under Bush: 56 million Americans who were middle class in 2000 are now out of work and considered below the poverty line. 23 million Americans who had health insurance in 2000 now do not.

McCain actually wrote the bills that caused this. Look it up! This is so basic that it hardly gets any attention. Obama is from a food stamps family, and federal assistance combined with his drive and natural ability helped him pull himself up by the boot straps. McCain was a bottom of the barrel student, mediocre officer, and quickly corrupted legislator. Had he not been born with high social status he would have never been able to land back asswards where he has.

Maybe you missed this. McCain owns at least seven houses and counting. It strikes me that these uber-rich Republican elitists who own so many houses are a real problem for the rest of us in that they drive up real estate values by gobbling up land and hoarding away homes. We wouldn't have had a banking meltdown if we hadn't had a subprime meltdown. We wouldn't have had a subprime meltdown if the average American had been able to afford a single home. The average American can't afford a single home because these chablis swilling country club loving Republican elites collect homes like the rest of us collect credit card bills.

Just so these crazy Bushies and McCainiacs don't pull the wool over your eyes on de-regulation... Here is the basic low down on what's behind it. Simple. Straight forward. Factual.

The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in the United States and included banking reforms, some of which were designed to control speculation. Some provisions such as Regulation Q that allowed the Federal Reserve to regulate interest rates in savings accounts were repealed by the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980. Other provisions which prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed in 1999 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Yes, that Gramm.

First repeal of the Glass-Steagall act allowed banks to determine what interest rates they could pay on savings, thus eliminating from our society sensible government oversight by the the Federal Reserve banks.

Second part repealed by the Gramm-Leahy act was that of the idea that a bank should be FORCED to not be able to invest in other forms of business. This was yet another portion of the bill aimed at preventing the government from protecting average Americans by maintaining a strong and balance economy by preventing companies over reaching.

The entirety of this bill is correctly attributed to our current sub-prime mortgage problem. This problem started on the banking side through de-regulation and led directly to predatory lending practices.

The Gramm-Leahy-Bliley act was signed into law by a Bill Clinton, who did not have the votes in Congress to prevent it.

It had positive economic results, allowing some finanacial companies to consolidate their resources and operate more efficiently, thereby saving money and increasing the value of their companies and increasing the value of the shareholders holdings in those companies.

Prior to the repeal of this law, foreign bankers held a financial edge against US banks because they were free to diversify their investments. Repealing this law allowed US banks to catch up with foreign banks and increase their value as a company. Again, increasing the value of their stocks to their stock-holders, but also removing necessary regulation to prevent predatory schemes.

Yes, it did allow companies the freedom to make good and or bad investments, just like any other company, but without necessary regulation to prevent abuse of the system.

The vast majority of banks are at risk, but are currently stable because they made wise investments. Some are not doing so well because they got caught up in too risky of deals, such as interest-only loans. They took a risk, they lost.

Buyers were duped into accepting these risk terms on their loans. That is the fault of predatory lenders.

Democrat president Bill Clinton had the option of veto-ing this bill but chose not to. He supported the bill and signed it into law in 1999 because the Republicans had the votes in Congress to ignore the veto.

One of the prime sponsors of the bill was this man, also a REPUBLICAN.
John McCain

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 17, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

They all missed. That sound you hear is the fifteen-minute timer going off.

Posted by: FlownOver | September 17, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Bullsh-t is all the reasons we give for living.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

CC,

why no mention of the TRUTH that life is just a miasma of pain, confusion, and loneliness?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The media often comments on "white working class democrats" who are not going to vote for Sen Obama. They rarely let the other shoe drop: There is a substantial portion of the electorate who still, after all these years will not vote for an African American. I saw a similiar thing in 1960 when a missionary from Rome addressed our Southern Baptist congregation in Inglewood CA and said,"...he had it on the highest authority that Kennedy, if elected would take his orders directly from the Pope."(sic) So here we are again breaking down one of the last bastions of intolerance, and encountering resistance from the fearful Regan Democrats and Dixiecrats. Hopefully we can get past this chapter.

Posted by: Mike in CA | September 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

one thing obama accomplished was getting the repugs to come out in force to vote against him.

they don't even like McCain they are voting to stop a black guy that hates whites and america from becoming pres.

good job democrats you found the only way you could lose the election with obama .

Posted by: gigi21 | September 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Face it. Obama has already lost this election. ANY Democratic candidate should be 10 points ahead of ANY Republican right now but NOT Obama, not someone that controversial. Even Obama's patriotism is in question. There are too many reasons not to trust him for moderate Dems and independent voters. Only the Clintons have the wide appeal to be out next Democratic President. The Clintons have a world wide following due to decades of humanitarian projects! Just the other day some Canadians and some Germans asked me why the Democrats chose Obama over the more experienced Clinton and I said they didn't, it was rigged. It will be Hillary Clinton 2012 and "I told you so" will be what we have taught the dumber younger Democrats for thinking that a radical arrogant racist with no qualifications like Obama could have been elected President in this country. Clintons will be back in force in 2012 because it is the will of the base of the Democrats.

Posted by: Pat | September 17, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Clintons saved the day at the convention. They will come through again. Hillary will take the bull by the horns. She knows how much respect she and bill earned at the convention and she will pull up on her white horse to take care of Palin. From that she will get either the supreme court or VP slot in 2012. By delaying her response she is doing what politicians do she is making it more clear how needed she is. The selection of Palin was a typical Republican move. All window dressing. Democratic Women were insulted by the condescension of that move. It did however have a bump value because she was an unknown and so she attracted attention. Her novelty is wearing off quickly. I do however love the Republicans claimng to be angry Clinton supporters I have too much faith in women to think they will be fooled by those repetitive lies

Posted by: dave | September 17, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

interesting summary*************************

If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, or different.'
But, if you grow up in Alaska "eating mooseburgers" you're the quintessential American story.

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
But, name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard Law School and you are unstable.
But, attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works, and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

But, if your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the City Council and 6 years as the Mayor of a town with fewer than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
But, if you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a stellar Christian.

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
But, if, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system, while your unwed teen daughter becomes pregnant, you're very responsible.

If your spouse is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of inner city communities, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America .
But, if your husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25, and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now

Posted by: nolovlost | September 17, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Democrats will not get another Bill Clinton....just like Republicans will not get another Ronald Reagan.

Some Democrats need to stop longing for the "good old days" of Clinton and get busy finding the NEXT generation of Democratic presidents.

Dwelling in the past gets us nowhere.

Posted by: MBW | September 17, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Even if Obama loses, Hillary will not be the nominee in 2012. Mark my words.

The Clintons' time has passed. Even if she runs again, there will be plenty of new candidates stepping forward to make the run.

Mark Warner? Brian Schweitzer? Kathleen Sebelius?

These folks are the next crop of Democratic leaders...and Democrats would be well-served to started moving their way.

Posted by: MBW | September 17, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

One thing that Republicans have figured out that Democrats have not:

Republicans know when to shut up and get behind the nominee of their party (whether they like him or not).

The results? Republicans have won 5 of the last 7 elections.

Posted by: MBW | September 17, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Not a chance. Over the next few years Hillary will be moving into being one of the most important people in the democratic party and that is where she will make her mark. There is not a chance she could even make it through a primary again. Thats all over.
By the way, if you are voting for Mccain because you want a woman you can forget that also. Palin will go the way of Spiro Agnew. There is enough dirt with her that if Mccain gets elected she will be eacy to get rid of. She will either step aside for personal reasons or be kicked aside and Liberman will be the VP. Pailn is just a stooge Mccain is using to try to get elected. There is no way she stays around.

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Clintonistas!

A vote for McCain in 08 puts hillary in the White House in 2012. And we get to stick it to the Democrats this election cycle! Remember what they did to Hillary, to Bill and to Geraldine Ferraro-- they all got called racists! That is the kind of change you can count on with an Obama White House.

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Revenge of the PUMAs | September 17, 2008 11:54 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Not a chance. Over the next few years Hillary will be moving into being one of the most important people in the democratic party and that is where she will make her mark. There is not a chance she could even make it through a primary again. Thats all over.
By the way, if you are voting for Mccain because you want a woman you can forget that also. Palin will go the way of Spiro Agnew. There is enough dirt with her that if Mccain gets elected she will be eacy to get rid of. She will either step aside for personal reasons or be kicked aside and Liberman will be the VP. Pailn is just a stooge Mccain is using to try to get elected. There is no way she stays around.

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Clintonistas!

A vote for McCain in 08 puts hillary in the White House in 2012. And we get to stick it to the Democrats this election cycle! Remember what they did to Hillary, to Bill and to Geraldine Ferraro-- they all got called racists! That is the kind of change you can count on with an Obama White House.

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Revenge of the PUMAs | September 17, 2008 11:54 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

One thing that Republicans have figured out that Democrats have not:

Republicans know when to shut up and get behind the nominee of their party (whether they like him or not).

The results? Republicans have won 5 of the last 7 elections.

Posted by: MBW | September 17, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Clintonistas!

A vote for McCain in 08 puts hillary in the White House in 2012. And we get to stick it to the Democrats this election cycle! Remember what they did to Hillary, to Bill and to Geraldine Ferraro-- they all got called racists! That is the kind of change you can count on with an Obama White House.

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Revenge of the PUMAs | September 17, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has already done backbends for that undeserving empty arrogant cad Obama. Polls are showing that Obama is going to lose an election that could have easily been a Democratic victory had Clinton not been pushed out by DNC corruption and extreme media bias. Clinton would have won and we would have had a fine Democratic President in 2008. But these fools, drank the Obama snake oil, fell for the empty rhetoric of a media rock star who has just been upstaged by Palin, the new media rock star. I'm a loyal Democrat of over 20 years and I could see through Obama from the getgo, I could also see that he would lose the election against McCain. A 5 year old could see this so why why why did anyone vote for Obama without thinking about his unelectability as U.S. President?

Obama = serious baggage, little experience, questionable alliances and past, arrogant, where did he get all of that $$$$ from? Obama = defeat in 2008.

Clinton can't save him now, the damage is done, a huge portion of Democrats are pissed off and Obama scares the hell out of independents. Clinton will run against McCain in 2012. This time Democrats will get the candidate they selected.

Posted by: Pat | September 17, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: Jennifer | September 17, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

If the Republicans win this year, Hillary Clinton is history. If Democrats perceive her as giving tacit support to the neo-conservatives she will have trouble even being reelected in New York. If Obama wins she has a shot at the supreme court.

Her actions will not decide this election, but the media does not want to accept that. Clinton 2012 is a fantasy. An electorate that is taken with Gov. Palin is not going to go backwards for the next female leader.

Clinton has a better shot at power and influence with Obama in the White House than with VP Palin. She is in a no-win situation since she has no control over PUMA and the other dead-enders.

The best thing she could do is appear with Palin in a SNL-style news conference. But whatever she does she will be blamed for a Democratic loss and get no credit if they win.

Mrs. Clinton is not an idiot. She knows all this.

Posted by: Viejita del oeste | September 17, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should forget it. She'll never go further than where she is because she what she is. She should get out from in front of the cameras and go to work lowering taxes, get U.S. oil drilling underway, and quit being so intolerant to intelligent conservative ideas. OH! I forgot! She's a dyed-in-the-wool dummycrat, that's why!

Posted by: Denis | September 17, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse


Palin favorable rating dropping like a rock. The novelty seems to be wearing off.
This may turn out to be one of the fastest "Flash in the pans" in history.
Move over Taylor Hicks.

The polls reflected the early success of her strategy. In the three days after Palin joined Team McCain--Aug. 29-31--32 percent of voters told the pollsters at Diageo/Hotline that they had a favorable opinion of her; most (48 percent) didn't know enough to say. (The Diageo/Hotline poll is conducted by Financial Dynamics opinion research; it's the only daily tracking poll to regularly publish approval ratings.) By Sept. 4, however, 43 percent of Diageo/Hotline respondents approved of Palin with only 25 percent disapproving--an 18-point split. Apparently, voters were liking what they were hearing. Four days later, Palin's approval rating had climbed to 47 percent (+17), and by Sept. 13 it had hit 52 percent. The gap at that point between her favorable and unfavorable numbers--22 percent--was larger than either McCain's (+20) or Obama's (+13).

But then a funny thing happened: Palin seems to have lost some of her luster. Since Sept. 13, Palin's unfavorables have climbed from 30 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, her favorables have slipped from 52 percent to 48 percent. That's a three-day net swing of -10 points, and it leaves her in the Sept. 15 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll tied for the smallest favorability split (+12)** of any of the Final Four. Over the course of a single weekend, in other words, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.

What happened? *First, it's important to note that Palin's approval rating hasn't tanked. Far from it. And we should hold off on drawing any hard and fast conclusions until more polling comes out.* That said, I suspect that we're starting to see Palin's considerable novelty wear off. In part it's the result of a steady stream of controversial stories: her apparent unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine during last Thursday's interview with Charles Gibson (video above); her refusal to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation; her repeated stretching of the truth on everything from earmarks to the "Bridge to Nowhere" to the amount of energy her state produces. That stuff has a way of inspiring disapproval and eroding one's support. (Interestingly, Palin's preparedness numbers--about 50 percent yes, 45 percent no--haven't budged.) But I'd argue that it's the start of an inevitable process. Between now and Nov. 4, voters will stop seeing Palin as a fascinating story and starting taking her measure as an actual candidate for office. Some will approve; some won't. It remains to be seen whether Palin's recent slide will continue, or hurt John McCain in the polls. But it's hard to argue that the journey from intriguing new superstar to earthbound politician--a necessary part of the process--doesn't involve a loss of altitud

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

When the Democratic leadership ( Hillary, Bill, Obama, Pelosi, Reid) realized that Florida was not going to vote democratic, the made a decision to pull the plug on the Jewish vote and instead go after the Muslim vote in Michigan

Posted by: GeraldD | September 17, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqHFk-3yQM


Barack Obama privately tried to persuade Iraqi political leaders to stall an agreement on scaling back American troops in Iraq while publicly campaigning for a speedy withdrawal, Obama’s campaign is not a train wreck; it’s Chernobyl.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

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McCain's economic policies are better for the nation.

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Obama has no economic or business experience except for buying cocaine.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

When the going gets tough, the Republicans leave for Crawford, or Aspen. No worries there, as its a Democrat's job to save the country. Again.

The correlation between hard work and success is limited. Obviously, Obama is where he is because he worked hard and earned it. Bush and McCain are where they are because their fathers and grandfathers worked hard.

McCain has never even paid a bill in his life, so why should we trust him to protect our money? I don't think we need another silver spoon republican trying to run the economy. Just look at what happened under Bush: 56 million Americans who were middle class in 2000 are now out of work and considered below the poverty line. 23 million Americans who had health insurance in 2000 now do not.

McCain actually wrote the bills that caused this. Look it up! This is so basic that it hardly gets any attention. Obama is from a food stamps family, and federal assistance combined with his drive and natural ability helped him pull himself up by the boot straps. McCain was a bottom of the barrel student, mediocre officer, and quickly corrupted legislator. Had he not been born with high social status he would have never been able to land back asswards where he has.

Maybe you missed this. McCain owns at least seven houses and counting. It strikes me that these uber-rich Republican elitists who own so many houses are a real problem for the rest of us in that they drive up real estate values by gobbling up land and hoarding away homes. We wouldn't have had a banking meltdown if we hadn't had a subprime meltdown. We wouldn't have had a subprime meltdown if the average American had been able to afford a single home. The average American can't afford a single home because these chablis swilling country club loving Republican elites collect homes like the rest of us collect credit card bills.

The time is now for Hillary to get on board and prevent these effete snobs from destroying out country with more of the same GOP failed policies.

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 17, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

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McCain has the better Economic policies by far.


The message is that Obama is out of touch with the economic situation of Americans - Obama is more concerned with Hollywood glamour and his celebrity friends.


McCain has the gritty style to make the tough decisions which have to be made to get the economy roaring again.

Does anyone believe that Obama's proposals for additional giant government programs are going to help the economy - seriously Obama's inclination is toward government assistance.


McCain has the right advisors around him to create the economic strategies which will fuel this country's economy.

Obama's high tax proposals are going to hurt the economy and make it harder for Americans to pay their bills.

McCain's proposals to fight the lobbyists in Washington will create significant
GROWTH EFFECTS within the eocnomy - GROWTH will be spurred as inefficient economic drags are reduced industry by industry by MCCAIN'S STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS POLICIES WHICH MCCAIN HAS BEEN PRESSING FOR OVER 10 YEARS.

McCain's economic program is much better for the economic growth of America.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 17, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Fact is that Florida and Michigan votes were split, Hillary won them like it or not if Obama was in or out, he choose to opt out and still he got the votes, elections are not based on what might have happened they are based on factual events of what happened, but the DNC looked past that and gave Obama the lier and phony votes he did not earn. Hillary then with that could have had a chance, but the choice the DNC was Obama(the black man) not Obama the person whom the people wanted. Hillary was not just thrown under the bus but dragded and beat up after. These radicals speaking speak for no true Democrat, in my view they have destoryed the Democratic party. I as a true Democrat will be voting for the first time for a Republican, Gov, Palin is for life, she is for equal rights too

Posted by: Joseph | September 17, 2008 12:11 AM

"Hillary was robbed by her own Democrat Party. The powers eg Pelosi, the Kennedy tragics, just wanted Obama in and the Clintons out. Hillary should be the Dems Presidential nomination. McCain would have picked a lesser person than the amazing Mrs Palin, and Hilary would have bolted in by a landslide.
Its sad to see such manipulation of a so-called democratic process.
If the Dems lose in November it's exactly what they deserve. I won't be sorry but I do feel for Hillary because she was set up to lose by her own team.
I hope all of Hillary's 18mil voters vote McCain in protest.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 6:06 AM | Report abuse

I would love for someone to explain to me how Reverend Jeremiah Wright affects their life one way or the other?

Here's a reality check: When the financial services industry finishes up cashing in the winning short positions on the US Dollar and the winning long positions in Crude Oil futures, the USD will be once again a very inviting target.

When it hits my number, I personally plan to lend Swiss Francs and Icelandic Krone and finance it by borrowing US dollars. I'm not the only person who's thinking of these kinds of trades.

I ASSURE you market forces do more damage to you Americans than Rev Jeremiah Wright's speeches do.

But...it's your country and your funeral. Who am I to tell you how to enjoy them?

Posted by: DexterManley | September 17, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

$600,000 million DOWN THE DRAIN--obama's campaign....
In reading these threads and watching tv--the people are waking up and seeing Obama for what he is.

HOW do you sit listening to Rev Wright for 20 years.??
Don't tell me the u tube was the only crazy sermen he gave.

I think it is time to free Rev Wright, Jessie jackson, etc..from the island they were exiled to by obama.

Posted by: mn | September 17, 2008 4:43 AM | Report abuse

TARGETING OF U.S. CITIZENS BY GOV'T AGENCIES: A ROOT CAUSE OF WALL STREET FINANCIAL CRISIS?


Could government "targeting" of American citizens outside the bounds of the judicial system be one of the root causes of the Wall Street financial meltdown that threatens to devastate the global economy?

Victims of so-called "organized gang stalking" claim that federal and local government agencies involved in intelligence, law enforcement, and revenue collection have established a network of secret programs aimed at destroying the financial well-being of "targeted" individuals -- who are denied due process of law as their financial resources are systematically expropriated.

These programs allegedly involve the interception of mail; surveillance, interception and alteration of telecommunications, including telephone and internet communications; fabrication of bank, credit card, mortgage and billing statements; surreptitious manipulation of personal and business bank and mortgage accounts.

Victims theorize that these "programs of personal destruction" are a derivative of past controversial government programs such as Cointelpro and Total Information Awareness. They maintain that the enactment of sweeping laws such as the USA Patriot Act, passed by Congress in the wake of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, have emboldened those who would use the powers of the state to restrict civil liberties as a tool of social control.

In effect, victims say, a secret parallel system of transaction processing has been established for persons targeted by government agencies. Victims allege that the goal is to destroy their capacity to earn a living and to support themselves and their families. They maintain that these "mechanics of personal destruction" closely resemble the tactics employed by pre-war Nazi Germany in its campaign against the Jews and other targeted groups, such as those deemed to be political "dissenters."

Victims charge that these programs also are designed to degrade their physical health, with health care professionals sometimes pressured to cooperate. Citizen vigilantes affiliated with government-funded community policing and "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate those targeted by these government programs, victims charge. These civilian vigilantes are believed to be equipped with high-tech instruments such as radiation-emitting"directed energy" weapons capable of causing serious adverse health effects -- what some describe as a "slow genocide."

Officials in the private sector are believed to have knowledge of some of these programs, since their cooperation is key to the functioning of the system. Victims charge that the government is using national security and the "war on terror" as a pretext to secure the cooperation of corporations and businesses. But they say it's also possible that the civilian overseers of these agencies, as well as civilian operatives, have been kept in the dark about the most nefarious aspects of these programs.

It's feared that the government takeover of more than half of the nation's mortgage market, and government bailouts and supervision of failed and financially troubled investment houses and insurers such as Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Bros. and AIG could help effectuate these programs.

Those who say they have been victimized by these programs are calling upon Congress to immediately convene hearings on unconstitutional, extra-legal abuses of power carried out under the direction of government agencies -- what they see as an unraveling of the American constitutional democracy and a descent into a corporate-fascist police state.


FOR MORE ON STATE-SUPPORTED DOMESTIC TERRORISM:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/government-agencies-support-domestic-torture-and-gang-stalking-says-noted-nowpublic-com-columnist

Posted by: scrivener | September 17, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

"It has never been a winning strategy to campaign against a VP candidate, at least not in my lifetime... "-- MarkInAustin

This is no ordinary VP. This a celebrity, self-labeled reformer. And she's reflected on McCain to make his image that as well. Plus the nature of the party gender wounds and Palin's gender make it necessary to expose her for what she is: not for women on a single issue (opposes choice even in cases of rape, Wasilla charged victims for rape kits, yet paid for an SUV for Palin), lying badly about her "opposition" to pork and bridge to nowhere... that should reflect on McCain himself a charlatan on reform and terrible on women's issues.

"I thought Obama was the best candidate ever has everything going for him, popularity, charm, eloquence, support, money. Why then does he need HRC to help him out of this rut he's in now. If he was a real candidate that [people] want he'd need no help..." --bryan

This is an insightful comment? Most candidates seek surrogates and endorsements. Like Hillary got Bill to help her and sought endorsements herself. I guess Nixon in 72 was one of the few "real candidates" since he demolished his opponent (before resigning in disgrace).

"Why should Hillary commit a political suicide by attacking Palin,especially now,when Obama and Biden are drawing flak for their derogatory and dismissive remarks about her?Why should she be his attack dog after Obama and his cronies attacked her non stop during the primaries before stealing the nomination? He should be thankful that she is at least being a good democrat and is campaigning for him." --Hillary2012

Obama attacked her in the primary, she him. Why would she hold a greater grudge against Obama for doing what she too did than she would against McCain who made cruel fun of her teenage daughter? Especially since Obama and her share a close vision for the country and McCain and Bush share a close vision.

From a selfish standpoint, it's not just that she wants to avoid being blamed, it's that if Obama wins now, she gets credit and mends fences with millions of Obama's supporters. In 8 years, Biden will be older than McCain and unlikely to run. Hillary would be 68 and could run like McCain won the nomination 8 years after losing the primary. From a self-interest standpoint, Hillary has to campaign hard for Obama. Anyway I have to think she sincerely has no desire to see Republicans given four more years in the White House to screw up the country.

Posted by: birchbeer | September 17, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

TARGETING OF U.S. CITIZENS BY GOV'T AGENCIES:
A ROOT CAUSE OF WALL STREET FINANCIAL MELTDOWN?
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis

Posted by: scrivener | September 17, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: axsicerotess | September 17, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Dude, I'm "PRO-CHOICE" (as you like to call it) and my choice is:

McCain/Palin 2008

Posted by: Choices, Choices, hmmmmm | September 17, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

We must be suspicious of all those who confuse Palin with Hillary. As Gloria Steinem said: Gloria Steinem has said. Palin: wrong woman, wrong message. Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger. Those who argue that Clinton should support Palin simply because she is a woman cannot believe in women's causes. Even NOW has rejected Palin. So who are these people? They are either PUMAs which is a Karl Rove front, or they share Palin's views against choice even in the case of rape or incest and McCain's refusal to back equal pay for equal work. Weren't these latter people the Pink Pussycats?

Posted by: jefflz | September 17, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Against President Bush's much-publicized poor approval ratings, the polls shows Congress' numbers have plunged to less than a third of the president's. The Democrat-controlled Congress' approval plunges to 9 percent.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69088

Posted by: Bush-League? | September 17, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Hillary wants to support someone as sexist as Obama. Nor should she.

Obama could have had all the support he wanted from the Clintons, but he didn't want to share his spotlight another famous person.

The democrats are going to lose this election to Barack Obama's ego, not Palin and McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Dear Deficit,

The tag refers to Mr. Dick Cheney, who famously said the lesson of Reagan's administration was deficits don't matter.

Funny you mention liberals and debt in the same sentence, because 80% of this country's debt has been run up by Republican Presidents named Bush and Reagan, and most of the time they had at least one House of Congress under their party's control. So basically, when Republicans control 2 of the 3 government entities responsible for budgeting, debt starts piling up faster than a storm surge in a Cat 5 hurricane.

The only President since 1980 to balance a budget? Clinton. You can claim the Republican Congress had more to do with it than he did, and many people do. Except those same Congresspeople go from a balanced budget to crazy deficits when Bush comes to town. Whoops.

The bait and switch going on here is fairly obvious when you drop the ideological blinders. I've just had it. An Obama presidency, no matter how liberal it might turn out to be (and remember, Clinton signed welfare reform), makes a lot of sense on a number of fronts, and it even makes the Republican party stronger in the long run. Accountability usually does.

Posted by: Deficits Dont Matter | September 17, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

The difference between Hillary and Biden is Hillary got the vote of the other 1/2 of the democratic party, Biden did not. Obama needed to unite all of the democratic party, but he did not by picking the very liberal Biden who brought no excitement to the ticket. Hillary represented Obama's change theme more than Biden.

Hillary would have got votes from more independents, republican moderates, and latio's. Biden will not help get alot of these votes.

Now many votes that would have gone to Obama will go to McCain.

Posted by: Cindyt | September 17, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Hillary will not slam Palin because she knows how it feels to get slammed by Obama's team and the media for being a female candidate. Hilary may not like all of Palin's views but she does relate to her as a woman, and probably admires Palin for being a maverick that has taken on and won against the good old boys in her own party in Alaska.

It was Hillary that said Obama was not ready to be president and deep inside she probably still believes it. In addition, Biden also said that Obama would need on the job training as president.

Hillary should say "thanks but no thanks" to becoming Obama's attack dog against Palin. Let Michelle do it!

Posted by: sandi | September 17, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

"Why because he did not appeal to the other 18 million. His first real decision in politics was to pick the best V.P., and what a political mistake he picked Biden. It divided the party. Many passionate female democrats will not forget for a long time."

What makes Hillary a better VP than Biden? Sure she might have been a better political pick, but so was Palin. Is Clinton more qualified than Biden? Perhaps, but its close.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 17, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Hiliary Clinton, Obama and Biden should all return to the senate after Nov 4 or simply retire.

Obama has shown that he does not care about equality for women by rejected Clinton for VP ticket. He chose 70,000 votes (Biden) instead of 18 Million votes (Clinton). Any manager who makes such a decision will bring bankrupcy real quick.

Clinton's time is over. She spent more than her cash in campaigning and is $24 million in debt. So Clinton is also unless for USA's economy.

ACTIONs speak louder than words.
McCain-Palin 08.

Posted by: RT | September 17, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Obama is just using Hillary because Palin is hurting his campaign. Obama and Michelle do not care for the Clinton's and will dump them if elected just like he dumped the 18 million Hillary voters. They and their campaign staff just want the Clinton's to go away after the election. Hillary owes Obama nothing, yet she still helps their campaign.

Remember Obama only got 1/2 of the votes of the Democratic Party.

The election will be determined by the other 18 million voters that he tossed aside and put them in their place, along with independents.

Result:

Obama, is now just using Hillary because he now needs help to get the votes of the other half of the Democratic Party vote. Oh yea, and the middle class moderates and Latinos.

Again Obama only got 1/2 of the votes from his own Democratic Party.

Why because he did not appeal to the other 18 million. His first real decision in politics was to pick the best V.P., and what a political mistake he picked Biden. It divided the party. Many passionate female democrats will not forget for a long time.

Obama could not even unite the Democratic Party, so how will he unite the nation. Fireworks at the White House?

Posted by: Cindyt | September 17, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not someone who votes to assuage an inflated ego and to add some relevance to a worthless, meaningless existence."

You just follow your Messiah wherever he goes. And if you had $30,000 you might even pay for the priviledge of eating in the same room he breaths. That says a lot about a "worthless, meaningless existence".

Posted by: berrymonster | September 17, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Carter's popularity was badly damaged in November, 1979, when student militants in Iran seized the United States embassy in Teheran and took 52 hostages. The students demanded that the hostages would be held until the Shah, the country's former leader, who was in the United States for medical treatment, was handed over to the government of Iran. Carter imposed economic sanctions on Iran and when that failed to work, ordered an armed rescue. This failed and Carter's approval rating during the summer of 1980 slumped to 21 per cent, the lowest figure ever recorded by a president.

Carter's administration was also unable to deal successfully with the country's mounting economic problems. Inflation had risen throughout his presidency and by 1980 had reached 15 per cent. With the Iran hostage crisis still unsolved, Carter had little chance against Ronald Reagan, his Republican Party opponent in the 1980 presidential election. Carter was easily defeated, receiving only 35 million votes to Reagan's 44 million.

And you call Bush an idiot. lol

Posted by: Carter Country | September 17, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

"he is a Chicago politician who thinks he is smarter than the American people."

He is

This is a good thing

I'm not someone who votes to assuage an inflated ego and to add some relevance to a worthless, meaningless existence.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 17, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

MN My Jewish friend I must go now and get some sleep. I have enjoyed ministering to you. Don't fear the communists. They are not the future. Communists try to salvage the system. Our capitalism dissolves it. Love your family because love lives eternal. Be brave and don't fear when your mind begins to fade into the consciousness. You are enaged you have no choice. As you and your people know to struggle only makes the suffering go longer. Lord have mercy. Hear our prayers.

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: Johna The Christian Nihilist | September 17, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

mn

And I am making the point that Communism does not matter because it has no future once the capitalistic system dissolves America into the Christ consciousness. You have no choice but to be the sacrifice. As you and your people know. The sacrifice never ends until the glory of God is known. It is through our sacrifice as a nation that our flesh will serve humanity. Be brave my Jewish friend. Lord have mercy. Hear our prayers

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: Johna The Christian Nihilist | September 17, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Obama-Bill-Biden ???

LOL

Posted by: almost sleepy | September 17, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama will be the 2nd term of Jimmy Carter, now there's something to ponder.... ROTFLMFAOO God help us all if that happens.

McCain/Palin 2008

Posted by: BillyBeer | September 17, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA supporters are also enraged at the faux charges of sexism and that Obama is arrogant. Didn't Hillary marginalize anybody but "hard working "white" Americans. I'll remember her for that.

As an Obama supporter, only victory in November is possible. Hillary may be lucky to run as a VP with Barack in 2012-that is if Joe is willing to step aside (not). Anyway, I will look for another possible woman contender from the ranks of Democratic Governors such as Napolitano, Sebelius or Gregoire, and of course one or two women Senators from either Minnesota or Missourri.

Re Elect Obama in 2012!

Posted by: SHAUN KAR | September 17, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

NEWSWEEK, Palin goes from most popular to least popular in three days. It looks like the novelty is waring off already. This may be one of the fastest "Flash in the pans in history"
Move over Taylor Hicks.

The polls reflected the early success of her strategy. In the three days after Palin joined Team McCain--Aug. 29-31--32 percent of voters told the pollsters at Diageo/Hotline that they had a favorable opinion of her; most (48 percent) didn't know enough to say. By Sept. 4, however, 43 percent of Diageo/Hotline respondents approved of Palin with only 25 percent disapproving--an 18-point split. Apparently, voters were liking what they were hearing. Four days later, Palin's approval rating had climbed to 47 percent (+17), and by Sept. 13 it had hit 52 percent. The gap at that point between her favorable and unfavorable numbers--22 percent--was larger than either McCain's (+20) or Obama's (+13).

But then a funny thing happened: Palin lost some of her luster. Since Sept. 13, Palin's unfavorables have climbed from 30 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, her favorables have slipped from 52 percent to 48 percent. That's a three-day net swing of -10 points, and it leaves her in the Sept. 15 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll tied for the smallest favorability split (+12) of any of the Final Four. Over the course of a single weekend, in other words, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.

What happened? I'd argue that Palin's considerable novelty is starting to wear off. In part it's the result of a steady stream of unhelpful stories: her unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine during last Thursday's interview with Charles Gibson (video above); her refusal to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation; her repeated stretching of the truth on everything from earmarks to the Bridge to Nowhere to the amount of energy her state produces. That stuff has a way of inspiring disapproval and eroding one's support. (Interestingly, Palin's preparedness numbers--about 50 percent yes, 45 percent no--haven't budged.) But mostly it's the start of an inevitable process. Between now and Nov. 4, voters will stop seeing Palin as a fascinating story and starting taking her measure as an actual candidate for office. Some will approve; some won't. It remains to be seen whether Palin's recent slide will continue, or hurt John McCain in the polls. But it's hard to argue that the journey from intriguing new superstar to earthbound politician--a necessary part of the process--doesn't involve a loss of altitude.
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Before I go----remember the people who support Obama are called Obama Democrats, im a conservitive Democrat, I support Pro-life and I support the right too bare arms I support being American not the version of hate Obama Democrats stand for, they are the radicals of the Democratic party- the Hitlers of 2008.

VOTE FOR MC CAIN AND PALIN FOR TRUE CHANGE FOR ALL PEOPLE!!!!!! WOOHOO OUR NEXT PRESIDENTS ___THE GLASS CEILING HAS BEEN BUSTED WIDE OPEN___WOOHOO

Posted by: Joseph | September 17, 2008 12:32 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

to john the christian:

if it's ok with you , i would rather be saved than sacraficed thank you. we as jews have already done enough sacraficing to last centuries.

the point was...we don't want COMMUNIST
europeans say Obama is a communist..and they know about communist--they have organized communist partys...it is not a big deal to them...they know one when they see one...

Posted by: mn | September 17, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Again...TRUE DEM's are really NOT true Dem's. To disagree with that statement would be fooling urself.

I have folks also who are republicans, who are voting for Obama. They beleive and understand that he is the only REAL option at change in this country. Without any biases...thye too understand that poor state that this country is in...and only bitter Hillary supporters and die hard republicans are conjuring this "rift" up.

Democrats who are voting for McCain/Palin are not true to what direction they want the country to go. And for the record, I don't see 2012 having ANYTHING to do with Hillary. I suspect that if she didn't win this year and a democrat does not win, then her career is all but done. She will not nearly have as much support that she had this yr in 4 more yrs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Obama bin Biden. You are right. It is over. :) We shall know the Christ. Lord have mercy.

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: Johna The Christian Nihilist | September 17, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

SEAN HANNITY AND FOXNEWS JUST DISRESPECTED NANCY PELOSI'S DAUGHTER BECAUSE SHE WOULD'NT AGREE WITH SEAN HANNITY. SO THEY TOOK IT TO COMMERCIAL AS SHE WAS TRYING TO RESPOND TO HIS QUESTION.

Posted by: opp88 | September 17, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Our Nation will be the fruit for all nations and they will feed on our bodies that we will leave behind. Hear our prayers.

Posted by: Johna The Christian Nihilist | September 17, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

It's over. Get over it!! LOL

McCain/Palin 2008

Posted by: Obama bin Biden | September 17, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Before I go----remember the people who support Obama are called Obama Democrats, im a conservitive Democrat, I support Pro-life and I support the right too bare arms I support being American not the version of hate Obama Democrats stand for, they are the radicals of the Democratic party- the Hitlers of 2008.

VOTE FOR MC CAIN AND PALIN FOR TRUE CHANGE FOR ALL PEOPLE!!!!!! WOOHOO OUR NEXT PRESIDENTS ___THE GLASS CEILING HAS BEEN BUSTED WIDE OPEN___WOOHOO

Posted by: Joseph | September 17, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

MN

You won't be saved you will be sacrificed. You and your people know what sacrifice means. America is the next great sacrifice. It is necessary as it is in capitalism. Life feeds on life. Our death as a Nation will transform the world for the better. Be brave my Jewish friend. :)

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: Johna The Christian Nihilist | September 17, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

after reading these thread today....I would feel sick being obama
600 million down the drain!!!!

Posted by: mn | September 17, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

There is one thing that I am finding so interesting about McCain's smear campaign...I can't help but feel that the Clinton camp not only wrote the blueprint, but tried it out first.

Posted by: CA Girl | September 17, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Obama is not the choice. He wants to maintain a system of mankind. There is no future in that. McCain will continue with the work of God to destroy what is left of America and its "dream". We must be brave and embrace the choice of destruction over comfort. It is for humanity. It is for the Christ. We shall be destroyed from within and dissolve into the Creation. Lord have mercy.

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: Johna The Christian Nihilist | September 17, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

TO JOHN THE CHRISTIAN: re jesus comment...

...... I am jewish......so was christ....and guess what --so were your ancestors...

don't need to be saved--just don't need communist

Posted by: MN | September 17, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Well good night people, either way you vote, remember Obama aka Nation of Islam can think hating the white man/woman but too what ends justifies the lies hes telling? Support Obama support death and the end too equal rights for people, women get ready too understand that your too shut up as Obamas thoughts are for women too follow not lead. As he said Hillary wines too much, hummm shes weak hummm shes an insider hummmm Obama a raciest---aka Nation of Islam follower, Obama who thinks that its his Black right too be president, Obama thought, whos this white woman think she is trying too steal my time, my victory from me!!!! OMG this white woman needs to shut up!!!---but unlike the radicals of the party I am part of but truly they do not represent me and the true Democrats I will be voting for a Man and Woman who will bring true chage who will chalenge the Republicans and Democrtas todo the right thing for the American people, yes the Amercan people not for their own selfish greeded. MC cain and Palin for President 2008---woohoo they shall win and over come these radicals of death.

Posted by: Joseph | September 17, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Dear Deficits Don't Matter,
I am glad you don't think that deficits matter because that spend and spend some more liberal Obama will have a deficit that our great great great grandchildren will still be attempting to pay off.

Posted by: Deficit | September 17, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

mn

Fear no communist. Soon you will be embraced by Christ. The Walls of the city will crumble and the great empire will be grasping at straws. The evolution of the capitalist system is a tool of God. It is meant to dissolve human consciousness into the Christ consciousness. There is no choice we must engage. We will be the sacrifice for all nations. Hear our Prayers.

MCcain/Palin 08

Posted by: Johna The Christian Nihilist | September 17, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

What should Hillary do?

Well I hope she is laughing.

She said Obama would fall apart in the fall, and he is.
He is an inexperienced candidate with a lot of money trying to buy the U S Presidency.
Obama, IT IS NOT FOR SALE!

Posted by: Laughing | September 17, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Did you hear that Gov. Palin bought some new pillows and then ripped off the “Do not remove under penalty of law” tag. That is soooo very, very bad of her, doncha think lol Call "US" magazine and reports this "HURRY!!!" LMFAOOOO

McCain-Palin 2008

Posted by: Melanie | September 17, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

But the pro-life position, whether or not it is based on religious orthodoxy, is more ethically highly evolved than my own tenet of unconstrained access to abortion on demand. My argument (as in my first book, "Sexual Personae,") has always been that nature has a master plan pushing every species toward procreation and that it is our right and even obligation as rational human beings to defy nature's fascism. Nature herself is a mass murderer, making casual, cruel experiments and condemning 10,000 to die so that one more fit will live and thrive.

Hence I have always frankly admitted that abortion is murder, the extermination of the powerless by the powerful. Liberals for the most part have shrunk from facing the ethical consequences of their embrace of abortion, which results in the annihilation of concrete individuals and not just clumps of insensate tissue. The state in my view has no authority whatever to intervene in the biological processes of any woman's body, which nature has implanted there before birth and hence before that woman's entrance into society and citizenship.

On the other hand, I support the death penalty for atrocious crimes (such as rape-murder or the murder of children). I have never understood the standard Democratic combo of support for abortion and yet opposition to the death penalty. Surely it is the guilty rather than the innocent who deserve execution?

Posted by: Camille Paglia | September 17, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

And my parents voted for Reagan and every Republican since -- but they are voting for Obama. So am I.

Admit it, the Republicans are responsible for the Worst President Ever, and we just can't bring ourselves to take responsibility.

I just don't see how Obama loses this thing. He's taken SIX WEEKS of pounding, and we're only at par -- and that assumes the turn-outs models we saw in the primaries on the Democratic side don't repeat themselves come November.

I would rather have 4 years of even an ultra-liberal Obama (frankly, I don't buy those caricatures) as a course correction than anything the republicans are offering this cycle. This party stood for something when it came out of the wilderness in 1980. Now it's just corrupt and inept. Obama will send us back to the drawing board, and the future of our country will be sounder for it on many fronts.

Posted by: Deficits Dont Matter | September 17, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I am a Republican who would have voted for Hillary. I really think the Obama campaign and the MSM were very cruel to her and Bill.

I admire her for helping Obama, but I personally would have told them where they can go.

Posted by: concerned08 | September 17, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

POOR HANNITY, HE CAN'T HELP HIMSELF. HANNITY WANTS TO BE IN OBAMA'S SHOE'S HE WANT'S TO SHINE THEM...HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA

Posted by: opp88 | September 17, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

you wrote " NO dollar amount could get me to break bread with those Communists."

COMMUNISTS---FINALLY someone calling it right. in europe they have an organized communist party--(ie in italy)

europeans know when they see a communist and they call Barack a communist!!

(we in the USA are just afraid of the word..but in europe they call it like it is! )

Posted by: mn | September 17, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Mark,
It was Obama, NOT Mccain, that voted FOR the oil company tax breaks.

Mccain voted against them. Check your facts.

And as far as us needing each other, NO, I don't think so.
Down in Texas one felt literally threatened just trying to get in the door to vote for Hillary at a caucus. So NO is what I say to Obama now. No and NOT EVER!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Let the GREAT DEPRESSION begin. Christ is ready to receive us all. There will be much suffering and blood. Embrace the nothing. We will be the sacrifice to the Chinese Dragon. Lord Have Mercy. Hear our Prayers!

Mcain/Palin 08

Posted by: Johna The Christian Nihilist | September 17, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

ALL THOSE QUALIFIED REPUBLICANS AND MCCAIN PICKED PALIN...GUTSY MOVE!

Posted by: opp88 | September 17, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Fact is that Florida and Michigan votes were split, Hillary won them like it or not if Obama was in or out, he choose to opt out and still he got the votes, elections are not based on what might have happened they are based on factual events of what happened, but the DNC looked past that and gave Obama the lier and phony votes he did not earn. Hillary then with that could have had a chance, but the choice the DNC was Obama(the black man) not Obama the person whom the people wanted. Hillary was not just thrown under the bus but dragded and beat up after. These radicals speaking speak for no true Democrat, in my view they have destoryed the Democratic party. I as a true Democrat will be voting for the first time for a Republican, Gov, Palin is for life, she is for equal rights too blacks,gays,whites,straights in other words too all people in all walks of life. As too the guns ---she hunts---I like hunting and fishing----I guess the indians using bow and arrows are bad too, lol thing is with out commercial slaughter you would not have beef unless you went out and killed the animal for the meat, remember that when you in a resturant eating a burger, it did not fall out of the sky:)

Posted by: Joseph | September 17, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"I say it's smart politics to go where the money is if you are going to fundraise.
So, why not?"

OH YEAH, THAT'S "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

That's why voters are abandoning Dumbama: he is not only an empty suit; he is a Chicago politician who thinks he is smarter than the American people.

Posted by: berrymonster | September 17, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

If you paid me $30,000 you could not get me to go have dinner with a bunch of Hollywood Pukes and barack Obama.

Then having to listen to that old Billie Goat Brabara Streisand sing a few bars after she's all liquered up.

No thanks. NO dollar amount could get me to break nread with those Communists.

Posted by: dano | September 17, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

SOMEBODY TELL MIKE HUCKLEBEE TO COOL IT. MCCAIN KNEW HUCKLEBEE WAS A SUCK BUTT COMPAIRED TO PALIN...HUCKLEBEE COOL IT!

Posted by: opp88 | September 17, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Anonynomous said

"...true Dem's would NOT vote for McCain/Palin"

TRY SAYING THAT OVER AND OVER -- YOU MIGHT THEN BELEIVE IT.

my parents have never voted for repub....and they are voting for the first time for mccain....

you found the only liberal who is not ELECTABLE

Posted by: mn | September 17, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

We all know that Obama "won" with caucuses, extra pledge delegates given to him due to 1988 DNC rules, not counting votes, Super Delegates and disenfranchising millions of Voters.

Obama could have waited, but no, his ego is bigger than his brain. And the voters will not forget..
They will make him pay for their disenfranchment. They will not vote for him in November.

And after, he will not be able to just run again. He should have waited. Ego. Ego. Ego.

Posted by: Ego is Bigger than the Ballot Box | September 17, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Damn, Suzanne Somers is 61? Gurl is looking GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!

Posted by: opp88 | September 17, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

HAMAS has openly supported OBAMA
PALISTINIANS has given tons of $$ to Obama

HOW DOES THE ABOVE HELP JEWS?????

(it doesn't--jews, isreal, antiterrorist are for McCain)

Posted by: mn | September 17, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Wow...true Dem's would NOT vote for McCain/Palin....call it what you all want...

You are republicans in dsguise...

No way are you voting for the McCain ticket if you are a true Democrat...

Impossible!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

People keep saying obama is in Hollywood tonight like it's some kind of problem.
As far as I can see, Hollywood has money, Obama has to fundraise to get money and from what I hear, Wall Street is not doing so well and money is a little scarce.
So, why not Hollywood. Their money is just like anyone elses and it spend just a well.
I say it's smart politics to go where the money is if you are going to fundraise.
So, why not?

Posted by: vwcat | September 17, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

In summary, Hillary could have made history. But now, Hillary IS history.

Going to bed. G'Night.

Posted by: aaron87 | September 16, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

LOL

Posted by: Obama bin Biden | September 16, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey tom-----Obamas peole helping him are Jew, and the only fool is your comment. Blacks in America are not the ones too call any one any thing and too that your man Obama whom has a back ground he can not live with and his family whom he will not reconize in public, whos the fool again for the support of this lier and fake? You are Tom. Go and sit in front of the TV and when Mccain and Palin are in office making true change for all us Americans who are black,white and all types of walks of life don't get mad and bang your head you were wrong ---I can tell you have made lots of bad choices but thats ok, but too slander jews it shows how the Nation of Islam is in this so much, try like your head leader of hate and hide it more---Obama who with 20years of loving and prasing Nation of Islam leaders and their teachings. Mc Cain and Palin gets my vote and I like many other TRUE Democrats will vote for them not for this radical lier Obama aka Nation of Islam.

Posted by: Joseph | September 16, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Sadam McSame LOL

Posted by: Ace | September 16, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary wouldn't stand a chance against an incumbent younger white hockey mom who is "relatable" to the American people."

I love to see you leberals squirm.. lmaooo

Posted by: Bill C. | September 16, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree Hiya...these Hillary supporters are sadly mistaken if they think she will be able to win in 4 more yrs...its now or never, or this party is D-O-N-E!

If you can't rally behind one candidate now, there is NO fuiture for the party...especially in light of the current state of the country...!

Her best bet is to fight for the Dem's to win, its in her best interest!

Posted by: Independent Mind | September 16, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I would think that after OBAMA'S HOLLYWOOD ELITE fund raiser this evening that Hillary would be free of any financial debt that he offered to pay back her Bills.

At 28500 for the dinner and 2500 dollars for a ticket. And hosted by long time Hillary friend Barbara Stresdrand that all debts are settled.

Both Hillary and Bill have to play the party politics game to the hilt. I do not think that have passed the baton to the ONE as of yet. But she has to feel betrayed by the DNC and the MSM and her friends/enemies now in the Democrat party.

I hope she does not stoop as low as OBAMA in attacking Palin. He has shown himself to be both sexist and I fear racial as well. He seems to have a problem with white women of POWER. First Hillary and now Palin. His wife is definitely a Clinton basher/hater because you could see the hate/anger in her eyes when they spoke at the convention.

(One thing being in the military and then spending 25 years in middle to upper managment you can 'read' the truth in anyone's eyes.)

Palin has taken enough frenzied feeding from the Obama campaign and the MSM.

Obama is the typical lawyer.. he takes one or two words and builds a statement/presentation to WIN AT ALL COSTS.

Middle class America relates to the hockey mom from Alaska.. She has MORE potential that OBAMA to reach out to both sides. And she has something he does not have.. guts and courage.

He continues to want to press issues.. but he is like most lawyers... he wants to talk apples and oranges. He changes the name on the apple...and makes it an apple and vice versa. And then he tells YOU WHY HE WAS RIGHT TO DO SO.

The financial situation that we are in today.. is the FAULT of both parties.. and decades of graft, greed and crooks.. No one individual is at fault. Every member of the Federal Government in DC is at fault. No ONE can change what goes on there. Hopefully Palin will give a fresh set of eyes to the good ole' boy network on the hill.

It should not be about PARTIES.. We should be voting for the most experienced, best qualified individual to run our country.
Unfortunately it is the worst of two evils.
And who we trust to do the best they can for our country.

I guess I have a hard time rationalized why one individual feels that they can buy the office of President. Why one individual is will to spent over 600 million dollars to run for President.

You take the smoke and mirrors away, the fast talking preacher, and put him down in the mud.. fighting with his hands to survive in the desert somewhere... and you will see what kind of man he is. My take is that he is nothing but a stuffed suit. And that if you took him out of the self made image... he could not survive in the world as a middle class warrior. He would be in the same category as Bush a draft dodger, because he is the only son.

Hillary should have been is VP.. but he is afraid of white powerful women that he can not sweet talk, and takes the spotlight from him.

Posted by: miller51550 | September 16, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Mark...you wrote " You have been exposed. Thank you for playing."

BUt the true person you are writing about is BARACK--
Now exposed
thank you for playing--the game is over--
BHO is the only liberal who could have lost this election..

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama DID try and slow the withdrawl. And the media will sit on this the same way they sat on his $100,000 PAC payoff from Fannie Mae, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Sinclair and more.
Not until the comments are posted for about 3 days do they even get mention on the Obama networks. They sat on the Wright story for months, and this was while Americans were voting.

But all is well. The media will not decide the next U S President. The American voters will. And they will vote in the majority for the man they know and trust, John McCain.

Posted by: President McCain | September 16, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Can the Hillary supporters please explain how Obama threw her under the bus???

Anyone care to remember how you earn the nomination? Cuz...that's in fact what you must do to become the party's presumtive and actual nominee!

How on earth do people not understand that she simply lost...lost because she did not run a good campaign...in fact, it was quite horrible.

Poor thing now wants to hold herself higher than the Democratic Party...its good to at least know that I am a registered independant. No way could I be a part of a party that tears itself up because of "self-entitlelists"...

Keep holding you all's breathe for 2012...

Should Obama lose...the Democratic party(as what we know it to be today...) will be no more, and you can bank on that more so than all the US banks right now in america! LOL

Posted by: Independant Mind | September 16, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Why do people think a McCain victory is a good thing for Hillary? I am an Obama supporter and it's clear to me that Hillary's best chance for 2012 is to run against incumbent Obama. She has the race advantage over him which she didn't fully exploit until too late in the primaries. If Palin becomes VP, Hillary can kiss the presidency goodbye because Palin will be president in 2012 (scary). Hillary wouldn't stand a chance against an incumbent younger white hockey mom who is "relatable" to the American people.

Posted by: Hiya | September 16, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Why would America REWARD complete republican failure ?

Piss-poor state-craft...
A Bungled Economy...

Yeah... Great Job.

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 16, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

HRC should do to Obama exactly what he did to her... throw him under the bus. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when he went to Bill Clinton last week, hat in hand, tail tucked 'tween his legs, asking for HRC'c help.

Obama's has shot himself in the foot on numerous occasions. Let him figure it out on his own.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | September 16, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Nicholas Von Collins III wrote:

"The Gramm-Leahy-Bliley act was signed into law by a Bill Clinton, who did not have the votes in Congress to prevent it."

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Presidents have VETO power, buddy. If the President doesn't like something that comes to his desk from Congress, he can VETO it. Then, it is Congress who needs to find a larger majority to OVERRIDE that VETO.

Bill Clinton DID USE this power, a number of times.

But Clinton SIGNED the Gramm-Leahy-Bliley Act into law. Which means HE AGREED WITH THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

Next time, please educate yourself before coming here and risking the world's ridicule.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Posted by: berrymonster | September 16, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama is a phony and his running mate, OOO by the way Biden is an insider, the type Obama the Nation of Islam follower did not want, right? remember, Obama said Hillary was the type of Washington insider he disliked, lol Biden Mr long wind with nothing too show for it he picks, I know hes mad for throwing Hillary away or as the other person said under the BUS.... Palin as more integrity in her one nose hair than Obama has in his whole family putt togather. Obama is a fake and the only reason he has people listioning too him is due to the one thing he talks what the white jews would say if they had ran but since ths country is so harsh on jews the black man became their voice. Funny any woman who would vote for Obama must really hate then selves ---and other woman, OOOO on this abortion thing, killing is not democratic and killing babys cause you could not keep your leggs toagther or use protection I think is a crime, so as your self, if you can't kill a person out side of the womb then what gives you the right too kill unborn children in the womb. This is not on controling the womans body its about saving unwanted babys from being killed because they are treated with no RIGHTS, like the blacks say they get treated as and gays and woman, but babys are treated worse they are killed.

Posted by: Joseph | September 16, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

By and large, huge demands and expectations are placed on Senator Clinton to behave in ways we don't ask other politicians to. I wish I believed it is because there's real recognition that she is a person of power and influence and achievement.

But I think it's expedience and sexism to boot. There's an uncomfortable and irrational undertone to these expectations.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

That intellect Lindsey Lohan and the hollywood liberal wackos are against McCain-Palin? Makes my vote easy "McCain-Palin 2008" lol

Posted by: Caroline | September 16, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

It really does not matter what Hillary does. Obama is going to lose. He is trending down. And these UNdecided voters are not undecided. They will vote McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

C'mon people. Admit it. With the economy in the toilet, and millions of us without health insurance, if Obama were as white as his mother, he and Joe Biden would be 20-25 points ahead of old man McCain and his new heartbeat, the pistol-packin' Sarah Putin, I mean, Sarah Palin.

And on the national security front, it's just like naive Sarah to think she can give that rootin' tootin' Putin a run for his rubles. She's a real trooper, isn't she?

Posted by: Hal Bass | September 16, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I'VE FOUND HERE. I'VE FOUND A PUMA'S THREAD... HAHAHAHAHA. HERE YOU PEOPLE ARE... OK. GOOD FOR YOU, WE REALLY THOUGHT YOU GUYS AND GALS PUNKED OUT. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND WE WILL GET BACK WITH YOU. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA HI HITLA!

Posted by: opp88 | September 16, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

What will Hillary do? Not much. She'll stand by, possibly vote for McCain, and then watch for four more years as America goes to hell in a handbasket. She's perfectly willing to let McCain become president, because she knows John will likely die in office and then the utterly loathsome and unqualified Sarah Palin can take over. She knows she can beat Sarah in a heartbeat. Think, American voters. One weak heartbeat separating Sarah and Hillary from the presidency. What on us if we allow it.

Posted by: David S. Robins | September 16, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Mark, your post to Narnia was excellent. I could not have said it better.
As a feminist who has supported Obama from the beginning, at first I tried to understand the pain of the Hillary people but, they get so nasty and rude and say the most awful things you cannot help but, feel frustrated with them and want to fight back.
Sometimes I wish I could just talk to one of the hold outs to see what is going on in their heads and what it is that is really driving the anger. it is more then just that Hillary lost and Obama won. There is more going on but, it is impossible to talk to them.
You put things in such an eloquent way.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

WHY Aren't you LIBS in Beverly HIlls tonight with BABS and Barack hussein obama drinking champagne.

We only had the WORST ECONOMIC CRISIS TODAY SINCE 911---GO AHEAD live it up!!

such hypocrites

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

If or should the Dem's lose this election Hillary won't have a future in politics...the future of the Democratic party hinges on this election.

In 4 yrs, those 18-28 yr olds will be older, those 29-40 yrs olds will be older those seniors, and hard line dem's who are truly dem's may or may NOT be around(with healthcare the way it is...) Large, and I repeat LARGE demographic portions of the party will NEVER RETURN because they would feel as though their vote doesn't matter...why because Dem's hate other Dem's...at least the republican party has one thing in order...Hate on Dem's...but even if you dislike your own candidate, support them to stay in power!

For as much intelligence the Dem's claim to have, its the party of complete idiots!

Hillary supports shouldn't hold their breathes for 2012...it won't matter then, the Dem Party will officially be done!

Don't let bitterness put you in a situation that you can't get yourself out of in the future!!!

To the poster Joseph: For the record, Obama's name is NOT muslim for the BILLIONTH TIME...its ARABIC, HUGE DIFFERENCE! Explain to me why a high profile Jewish politician who was just in the news has the SAME name (Barack)...?

Geez, another fine example of democratic intelligence!

Posted by: Independant Mind | September 16, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I was always told to keep your powder dry or maybe to play both ends against the middle. What does it matter? She can NOT be held responsible for the gloss politics of the year.

Posted by: bcacsas | September 16, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"

Why is the Left Wing Media ignoring the report that Obama tried to influence Iraq to slow withdrawl of US Soldiers until after the election? This is the most disgraceful thing I have heard so far about him. And you wonder why people know the media is left wing biased.

Posted by: Dennis D | September 16, 2008 11:38 PM "

Because it isn't true! Just because you neanderthals believe something, doesn't mean the press has to report it. Get a life, Dennis D! No, on the other hand, you don't deserve one!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Hillary should watch SNL where comedians articulated the clear distinction between Clinton and Palin: Clinton is aspired to be the first U.S. President who happens to be a woman. Palin aspires to be the first Vice President selected because she is a woman.

What Hillary could not escape in 2008 is that she sought to be the first U.S. President who happens to be a woman, but who also happens to be Bill Clinton's wife. By 2012, perhaps she can.

In the mean time, Hillary should support Obama because he's the better candidate but she shouldn't allow herself to be used as Democrat pit bull loosed to fight the pit bull in lipstick.

Posted by: pgp | September 16, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

To any of the anonymous posters below who claim that Obama "dissed" and/or "mocked" Hillary during the primaries...

Evidence please. I don't think there is any. You are probably GOP operatives hoping to sow dissension here. You need to run away and work on your "Obama's a Muslim" lines now. You have been exposed. Thank you for playing.

Posted by: Mark | September 16, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

"I say who would have voted for a Japanese person right after Pearl Harbor? none I was told would have then how in the heck would any one would want to vote for Obama whoms name is from the Nation of Islam, a group well noted for hating whites,jews,gays and women like Hillary.

Posted by: Joseph | September 16, 2008 11:31 PM "

Who's teaching the morons to type?

Joseph, you ignorant, lying twit! Obama's middle name was the name of his father and grandfather. Nothing to do with the Nation of Islam.

Your name, Joseph, sounds Jewish to me! In your worldview, you'd better be looking out: you're next.

What a fool!

Posted by: tom | September 16, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Why is the Left Wing Media ignoring the report that Obama tried to influence Iraq to slow withdrawl of US Soldiers until after the election? This is the most disgraceful thing I have heard so far about him. And you wonder why people know the media is left wing biased.

Posted by: Dennis D | September 16, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

N. Von Collins III, great post and very factual.
and the truth.
Many do not know that McCain plains to make it so that employer based healthcare is not available and that everyone has to buy their own insurance.
Of course, single insurance policies for health care is so expensive most cannot afford it and many don't qualify.
This will further tear those hanging by a thread to middle class status into poverty and many will go bankrupt from becoming ill without insurance.
The thought of mcCain being elected and further tearing down this society by his health care policy alone is scary.
How many people will die from lack of care? How many children will go without adequate care and how many women will not be able to afford simple care because they are paid so much less then men and McCain/Palin do not believe in equal pay.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Do not try and twist my words, anonymous.

Obmama Hussein Barack may not even be legally qualified to run for president! I get so bitter and angry when people don't see this!

Hillary, on the other hand, is entitled to the presidency because she realizes that it is the far-left members of the Democratic Party -- angry bitter leftists like me who are part of the reality based community -- that will save the final say on who gets elected this fall.

That is why the angry, bitter leftists support Hillary and not Hussein Obama Barack.

Posted by: twin_peaks_nikki | September 16, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

To : Nicolas van collin III:
re whether or not mccain pays his own bills.....

Mccain allowed you to be here in freedom by being a POW --he may not pay a bill, but YOU HAVE A GREAT DEBT YOU OWE HIM

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

So much yak yak about Hillary. She lost.

If we hope to rescue our beloved country,
We must vote Obama and Biden into office.

Withdraw troops, put regulations on the investment industry, and regulate environmental safeguards.

Posted by: Kristin2 | September 16, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

John McCain was a finalist for VP nominee when Al Gore was running. Joe Lieberman loves him, he's one of you guys. : )

Posted by: WTF | September 16, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has ZERO executive experience (as bad as Nobama).

- Hillary has ZERO achievements in her life: no legislation, no scholarly works. Nothing!!! (as bad as Nobama).

- Hillary has NEVER managed anything: a government agency, a small business, a corporation, a nonprofit organization, a military unit. Nothing!!! (as bad as Nobama).

- Hillary's performance as First Lady was well below average. Laura Bush is WWWWAAAAYYYY better than Hillary.

- Hillary was first elected to public office in the year 2000, when she was 56. In Congress, she has done... NOTHING of significance (as bad as Nobama).

No wonder Dems are headed to a historic defeat, in a year when ANY Democrat with a brain could have win.

Posted by: berrymonster | September 16, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary is entitled to the presidency and in case anything happens -- remember what she said, that anything can happen in June -- she will step in and grab the presidency that she is entitled to."

Entitled to?? She lost. And "if anything happens" [what could it be that you have in mind???] Joe Biden is the next in line.

Besides, it's not June any more. In case you hadn't noticed.

Too late! So sad! Get a life!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how it's 'political suicide' for Hillary to criticize Palin... the latter is a charlatan who lies more shamelessly than most experienced politicians.

The only reason that Clinton should NOT play as important a role as she can is if she does the math and figures that it's best to watch Obama fail so she can try again in 2012. I hope this is not the case, because it would mean she is a traitor to her country... because she may not have anything left to rule over in 2012 if McCain is elected, especially if Palin ends up with her crazy finger on the button.

Posted by: ep thorn | September 16, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

What a scenario!

Posted by: yelowshxt | September 16, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

But here it is, November is coming and Obama is now saying slogans don't work that real change will, lol Obamas handlers now have him switching positions, a true democrat would not be for the death pentality, Obama is for it, a true democrat would not make comments that gay marrige is wrong, Obama is against it, lol its funny Obama dose not seem to be any thing democratic, hes another radical using a party to get what he wants. I say who would have voted for a Japanese person right after Pearl Harbor? none I was told would have then how in the heck would any one would want to vote for Obama whoms name is from the Nation of Islam, a group well noted for hating whites,jews,gays and women like Hillary.

Posted by: Joseph | September 16, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

To Narnia:

I liked your post, thanks. I'm an original Obama supporter, male, but a feminist. I disliked Hillary for many reasons -- her downright purposeful divisiveness, her cynical and deadly Iraq vote were at the top of the list. But I never, ever, said "we don't need your vote" to Hillary supporters. The fact is, like every member of a coalition in a close election, we all need each other if we are to put the country back in good hands. Those hands, whether everyone on the Dem side likes it or not (I know it's not everyone), are those of Barack Obama. You need us and we need you. Unless you want the country in the hands of an anti-choice warmonger who is raking in millions from the same oil industry that got us into Iraq. Unless you want someone as VP who thinks she knows better than the climatology community about climate change (what a huge step down that would be from the 1990s, eh?). Unless you want a creationist to one day have a hand in doling out education money. In short, unless you want the country to move backwards several decades.

So we need each other to keep these bad things from occurring. But ultimately, all I can ask is that you vote your own best interests. I think that is a vote for Barack Obama, but you will be the one to decide that on election day. Good luck, and I hope you'll be there for our country.

Posted by: Mark | September 16, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Anny wrote:
Spoken like someone who doesn't live in the Midwest and doesn't see firsthand all the "SARAH" bumper stickers and hear all the coffee shop chat.

shows how little you really know about anyone or anything.
I live in a little big town in the heart of the midwest.
I live a block from a coffee shop that average people go into
I live in a working class neighborhood where people don't have big screen t.v.s or go on long vacations or have much for extras.
I have yet to see any signs or bumperstickers supporting McCain/Palin and frankly most don't care about her.
they think she is a phoney and a joke and the women see her as an insult to their intelligence.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

The full quote is:

"Our economy, I think, is still -- the fundamentals of our economy are strong, but these are very, very difficult times. I promise you, we will never put America in this position again. We will clean up Wall Street."

But of course the libs cut it off at the beginning to make him look bad. Typical liberal tactic, and like most of their pathetic tactics it prolly won't work in the long run.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

When the going gets tough, the Republicans leave for Crawford, or Aspen. No worries there, as its a Democrat's job to save the country. Again.

The correlation between hard work and success is limited. Obviously, Obama is where he is because he worked hard and earned it. Bush and McCain are where they are because their fathers and grandfathers worked hard.

McCain has never even paid a bill in his life, so why should we trust him to protect our money? I don't think we need another silver spoon republican trying to run the economy. Just look at what happened under Bush: 56 million Americans who were middle class in 2000 are now out of work and considered below the poverty line. 23 million Americans who had health insurance in 2000 now do not.

McCain actually wrote the bills that caused this. Look it up! This is so basic that it hardly gets any attention. Obama is from a food stamps family, and federal assistance combined with his drive and natural ability helped him pull himself up by the boot straps. McCain was a bottom of the barrel student, mediocre officer, and quickly corrupted legislator. Had he not been born with high social status he would have never been able to land back asswards where he has.

Maybe you missed this. McCain owns at least seven houses and counting. It strikes me that these uber-rich Republican elitists who own so many houses are a real problem for the rest of us in that they drive up real estate values by gobbling up land and hoarding away homes. We wouldn't have had a banking meltdown if we hadn't had a subprime meltdown. We wouldn't have had a subprime meltdown if the average American had been able to afford a single home. The average American can't afford a single home because these chablis swilling country club loving Republican elites collect homes like the rest of us collect credit card bills.

Just so these crazy Bushies and McCainiacs don't pull the wool over your eyes on de-regulation ...

The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in the United States and included banking reforms, some of which were designed to control speculation. Some provisions such as Regulation Q that allowed the Federal Reserve to regulate interest rates in savings accounts were repealed by the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980. Other provisions which prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed in 1999 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Yes, that Gramm.

First repeal of the Glass-Steagall act allowed banks to determine what interest rates they could pay on savings, thus eliminating from our society sensible government oversight by the the Federal Reserve banks.

Second part repealed by the Gramm-Leahy act was that of the idea that a bank should be FORCED to not be able to invest in other forms of business. This was yet another portion of the bill aimed at preventing the government from protecting average Americans by maintaining a strong and balance economy by preventing companies over reaching.

The entirety of this bill is correctly attributed to our current sub-prime mortgage problem. This problem started on the banking side through de-regulation and led directly to predatory lending practices.

The Gramm-Leahy-Bliley act was signed into law by a Bill Clinton, who did not have the votes in Congress to prevent it.

It had positive economic results, allowing some finanacial companies to consolidate their resources and operate more efficiently, thereby saving money and increasing the value of their companies and increasing the value of the shareholders holdings in those companies.

Prior to the repeal of this law, foreign bankers held a financial edge against US banks because they were free to diversify their investments. Repealing this law allowed US banks to catch up with foreign banks and increase their value as a company. Again, increasing the value of their stocks to their stock-holders, but also removing necessary regulation to prevent predatory schemes.

Yes, it did allow companies the freedom to make good and or bad investments, just like any other company, but without necessary regulation to prevent abuse of the system.

The vast majority of banks are at risk, but are currently stable because they made wise investments. Some are not doing so well because they got caught up in too risky of deals, such as interest-only loans. They took a risk, they lost.

Buyers were duped into accepting these risk terms on their loans. That is the fault of predatory lenders.

Democrat president Bill Clinton had the option of veto-ing this bill but chose not to. He supported the bill and signed it into law in 1999 because the Republicans had the votes in Congress to ignore the veto.

One of the prime sponsors of the bill was this man, also a REPUBLICAN.
John McCain

Posted by: Nicholas Von Collins III | September 16, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

SOUNDS TO ME (BASED ON THIS BLOG) THAT OBAMA'S GOT ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE AND THE OTHER ON A BANANA PEEL.. lol

Posted by: TKO | September 16, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Just the article alone, much less these comments, reflect the double standard for a woman in politics. Had Hillary Clinton been a male running v female this would not be an issue.

Hillary Clinton is not responsible for Obama getting and keeping Voters. She never has and never will be. Only Obama is responsible for this. It is his campaign to win or lose. And it is his choices (Veep included), experience, character, judgement and words that are the deciding factor. Not Hillary Clinton. It is Obama that is running for Prez.

Dean was not real helpful to Kerry.
And look at Ted Kennedy's attitude when he ran. Come On , give it up.
When is Obama going to take responsibility for his own campaign?

Posted by: Double Standard | September 16, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

"Obama bin Biden"

LOL!!! :)
so funny

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Even if Hillary can only help out part time that will be good.
But, in reality the real issue is the economy for most voters and this from the Financial Times:

Democrats seized on the remark to reinforce one of their main lines of attack against the Republican candidate – that he is out of touch with the economic concerns of average Americans. “The American people are looking for leadership that will tell the truth about the situation we’re in,” said Bill Burton, Mr Obama’s press secretary. “When John McCain said he thinks the fundamentals of our economy are strong, he underscored the fact that he doesn’t have a clear grasp of the crisis facing the American middle class.”

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

"Palin is only a bit player."

Spoken like someone who doesn't live in the Midwest and doesn't see firsthand all the "SARAH" bumper stickers and hear all the coffee shop chat. She is electrifying, you are probably on the East Coast I am guessing since you obviously do not get this.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, Hillary owes the Obama team ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!They ridiculed her time and time again throughout the primary.

If she wants to speak out on Democratic issues, fine. But she shouldn't be forced to speak out on behalf of Obama and his campaign for the presidency.

As Maya Angelou said, "Rise, Hillary, rise!" --- Do what you need to do for the party. But don't let anyone pressure you to make this about Obama. It should be you in that spot!

Posted by: Christina | September 16, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I get so bitter and angry when I see people trying to smear Hillary.

Hillary is entitled to the presidency and in case anything happens -- remember what she said, that anything can happen in June -- she will step in and grab the presidency that she is entitled to.

The reality based community -- angry bitter leftists like myself who read firedoglake and are secure in our gender identity -- support Hillary and not Obama Hussein Barack.

Posted by: twin_peaks_nikki | September 16, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a gambling man. It has been said he likes to go to Las Vegas and play roulette. His interest in gambling has been credited for why he decide to take a gamble and pick Sarah Palin a nationally unknown governor from Alaska. The gamble was to energize the base with the Palin pick and draw off some of the independents who supported Hillary during the primary.

The thing about Palin is people who can use google were able to learn all about Palin with in 2 or 3 days of the annoucement of McCain's Gamble. All the controversies, her family, the election results from her 2006 election (she won 114,000 votes and 123,000 voters voted for someone else). we even were able to read on an alaskan newspaper all her pet slogans, hockey mom, bull dog, lipstick, ebay plane. etc. There is less there than meets the eye.

So what does gambling mverick man McCain do? He bluffs! Bluffing is a form of lying that gamblers playing poker with a weak hand do in hopes they can con his opponent into thinking he has a better hand than he really does. Yes John McCain keeps his poker face and lies about Palin and her record. What else can he do? Palin can't go out there and campaign on her own because she would lose all credibility with most voters in a week.

So what does John do? He keeps his Palin card covered as much as possible and he bluffs. Thing is the people he is bluffing are his conservative base and the people he wants to vote for him. What is working in his favor is the social conservative base is living inside a bubble of denial about their involvement in creating the failure of a president -Governor GW Bush from Texas. What is wrong with Washington is the GOP has populated washington with many sarah palins who have been running the county since 2001.

The Palins in politics are the problem with the Nation. The conservative base prefers to live inside their bubble of denial instead of confronting the fact that they are the problem.

It is up to the rest of us to see through John McCain's bluff and vote for Barack Obama.

Posted by: del3 | September 16, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

You just proved my point.. lmaoooo liberals ARE miserable. I love how the Republican VP canidate is more popular than "Obama bin Biden"

McCain-Palin 2008

Posted by: WooooHoooo | September 16, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

O.K., you predicted a lot than I did. But why should she pull Obama's feet out of the fire? He dissed her, mocked her, etc.
She owes the party her loyalty in general but he and old fart Biden can twist in the wind. We will look for a Clinton 2012 fundraiser invite on email. I will send her more $ if she asks.
I can't reward Obama for his disrespect of her and of us, her voters. He takes our support for granted.
No-one seems excited anymore about Obama. Biden took all the wind out of his saids - they look doofy and are repeating "change" with no record of it. They are likable enough...no more than that.

Posted by: to Narnia | September 16, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Anny wrote:
No wonder she is refusing to attack Palin
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what planet have you been on?
It was apparent from the start that the press was drooling over the big cat fight between Palin and Hillary.
Hillary is too smart to play into that.
she has way too much class to stoop to that and give the press their fantasy grudge match.
What a laugh.
Besides, this election is not about Palin. It's about Obama v. McCain.
Palin is only a bit player.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

FOrget Hillary
---WHERE IS REV WRIGHT????

I think I need a dose of his black theology that BHO heard for 20 years before he threw him under the bus with Hillary.

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will be best to support Obama and prepare for 2012. Personally the republican spin doctors are much better than the democrats on numerous websites, radio and fox tv. They are completely wrong in my opinion, but are working hard to promote all the bad news as socialism, a radical islam conspiracy and all failing policies as ploys by the left.

Obama may very well lose this election and Hillary has the right kind of policies and ideas to pick up the pieces when the bottom falls out for real in the coming few years. Redistribution of assets and income to support the middle class and Health insurance reform must take place which certainly cannot happen with the brainwashed unrealistic, uneducated policies of the Republican Elite and their greed mongering Spin doctors on radio and TV.

This doesn't mean Hillary will be the Savior, but someone who can will certainly be needed.

Posted by: Randy L | September 16, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"You decent Obama supporters better remind your tacky friends not to screw it up for Obama"

They can't help it. And you have them pegged wrong, they are not tacky, they are RABID. And like a rabid animal, they cannot control themselves. Thus the diarrhea of the mouth that you see on Kos.

Posted by: To Narnia | September 16, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Too the women saying votong for a woman for the sake of voting for a female is stupid. The voting for a black man for the sake of him being black is stupid as well. I know im voting for Gov, Palin because she has the guts too run the ideas that I agree with and yes because with this as a woman she will open the man only white house. I say if you want to vote for Obama who uses slogans and make ya feel good for a moment speaches then vote for him, bbut if your for changing the goverment too be for the people by the people, for true change not just symbolic then I say vote for Mc cain and Palin. This Obama and his radical friends can take the vote against them to know we wanted Hillary not another man who can not even tell the truth about himself, his past---OOOOO by the way the number of houses Mc Cain has ---lol who cares, ask Obama about Nation of Islam and his true faith ideas, hes a man who dislikes gays and women whom are not like his wife, OOOO and funny the Obamas hate the Clintons, If I was Hillary I would have told him too shove his fake smiles and supported like Lieberman Mc Cain.

Posted by: Joseph | September 16, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure what Hillary should do, but I am sure that Obama should NOT be having a $3000.00 per person elitist shindig on the same day that America has one of its worst economic crisis!

Posted by: Economic Elitist | September 16, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

If Obama loses in 2008 without Hillary's obvious support, then her campaign will be a non-starter in 2012. The Democrats won't forgive her for helping to bring about Bush's third term.

Posted by: S. | September 16, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

No one needs to do anything - Newsweek is reporting that Sarah Palin's bubble has burst. ................
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/17/bursting-the-false-palin-bubble/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | September 16, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats are acting like a bunch of hyprocrits! For months, during the primaries, women were told NOT to vote for Hillary by thinking with their ovaries and vaginas. Now that the MAN has been picked for us they're saying "Hey! We're the only pro-choice party! Think of your ovaries!" Obama had EVERY chance to put SOME women on his ticket! Apparently he didn't believe ANY women Democrat was qualified. Our party has abandoned us, not the other way around!!!!

Posted by: gaypastor | September 16, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo wrote:
Does Sarah threaten you miserable liberals?

actually, Palin gives me a good laugh. The windup robot she is and repeating the same speech even when most of it has been debunked by the fact checkers and she just stands there and keeps repeating the same lines.
That is hilarious.
and that voice. That voice is rich for the late night comics.
No. People don't fear clowns. they just laugh.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

"And we will see that Hillary will be richly rewarded for her patriotism by either being given a plum role in the health care revamp or put into some position in the administration. Or maybe become leader in the senate."

Lol, B-F-D. That's not what she wants. She wants to be president. Screw allegiance to party - she wants to lead, and if she were to help Obama, the only thing she is giving him is the cheers and the limelight and the footnote in the history books. Quick, off the top of your head name all the presidential losers who ended up with "plum roles." Can't name any in the next 3 seconds? Lol that's why she doesn't want that.

No wonder she is refusing to attack Palin and is only giving Obama tepid support. She would have had to be INSANE to even want the VP slot. Better to surreptiously undermine him and wait for him to trip up.

Which he is doing now, very effectively I might add.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

don't you wish it was hillary and richardson? joe biden would have made a good sec state. as it is he is dragging the ticket down and said himself he wasn't sure he was the best pick.
could biden just step off gracefully and go back to the senate. no harm no foul.
welcome - hillary!

Posted by: buyers remorse | September 16, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

It seems Obama's light is in doldrums. Clinton's should stay away from the fire ignited by lipstick comment has more or less ignited black and white issue. It's sad that such issue would take away the democratic victory. Pew research and others have been able to find that white women and some conervatives are being attracted to the republican ticket. I am really miffed by the snub Hillary got from Obama. I think she should stay away from campaign and at least should refrain from commenting against Gov. Palin. Democratic party will understand such sentiments.

Posted by: aristocrat | September 16, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Every time HILLARY shows up in FLORIDA...the more those white women are reminded of how great it would be to see one in the white house.

So go ahead hillary--you are only helping
PALIN....

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Ok, you media types just like to get the juices flowing to get more eyeballs. so let me do my part.

As a Hillary supporter who is now voting Obama I can't help but remember all the crap Hillary got from the classless side of Obama supporters. I absolutely could have predicted this.

I predicted that women were going to get so mad some would defect to McCain. I predicted that Obama needed to make Hillary v.p. to innoculate his campaign against a sly pick from McCain. I stated, "watch him pick Sarah Palin, from Alaska, then lookout! I was right on all counts.

I got lambasted then about how Obama did not need that b*tch. They said go ahead go to McCain, we don't need you guys. And after Sarah Palin was picked, I predicted that the Obama people would run over to Hillary and Bill and beg them to help them.

The Obama supporters, and maybe Obama were too proud to ask them for help until they realized they may just lose the election. Then, they went running to them...Oh help me!, help me!! Wah, Wah! Oh, and now, they aren't asking, they are demanding it! "Hillary better speak up or else!" What happened to, "we don't need your votes so vote McCain, who cares!"

Hillary does not owe them one damn thing! I as a democrat don't owe Obama one damn vote! But, Hillary loves this country, as I do. She will do what she has to. She will support Barack Obama for president. I will support Barack Obama for president. Because we both realize that to put the presidency in McCain/Palins hands is suicide.

I still believe Hillary would make a better president. But, Obama is much, much better than McCain. So what do you know, for the first time I am going to hold my nose and vote Obama. Not because I like him. But, because I need to. But, I demand a little gratitude from the Obama supporters, who I am bailing out of this mess! There will be many of us, who will make the choice like this. And if you Obama people are smart, you will shut the f*** up and give Hillary her due! Obama's presidency rests in the hands of the Hillary women, like it or not. You decent Obama supporters better remind your tacky friends not to screw it up for Obama. If you don't, it may well tip the scale the other way.

Posted by: Narnia | September 16, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary should stand up and let all of her supporters know the difference between her and Pilan. Hillary represents strong women who have worked hard to achieve what they have become not only for them for all women. Palin is not in this category. She is just for Palin despite what she mouths. If Hillary does not make a stand, it will be obvious that she too is just for herself and not the party.

Posted by: Pat from Michigan | September 16, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA.. Does Sarah threaten you miserable liberals? I LOVE IT!!

McCain-Palin 08

Posted by: Woohoo | September 16, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

HILL-

STOP LETTING MEN USE YOU !!!!!!!!!!!

(bill now obama)

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Andrea wrote:
Hillary should support Sen Obama and she will CONTINUE to do that. She is a brilliant woman! Hillary will prove what Country First really means.

Again I agree. Hillary will show she is a person of class and intelligence.
She will, like her husband, put her country before herself because she knows what this election is about and it's about putting your country first more than at any other time.
And we will see that Hillary will be richly rewarded for her patriotism by either being given a plum role in the health care revamp or put into some position in the administration. Or maybe become leader in the senate.
She was always the wonkish type and being the leader in the senate would satisfy that gift as well as her warrior side as well.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, but what poll are you reading? Most polls have Obama handily winning the female vote.

Palin has not helped McCain one whit with women. For every Evangelical woman he has wooed, he has alienated many other women who see through this gimmick pick.

Quit reading ephemeral poll numbers and extrapolating pearls of wisdom from it. It's just bad social science.

Posted by: AxelDC | September 16, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Well considering my whole family is voting along the same lines I am, I would say your vote is being canceled by at least a factor of 6. But nice try! Remember, put away your sharp objects on Election Night.

Posted by: To vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

As too making things right as woopie said on the view, making things right dose not mean doing an Hitler on the DNC, but thats the thing radicals of the democratic party don't care too think they have just became the very thing they hate, a bunch of KKK players. I find that too fight injustice you must first know what justice is, I guess the radicals no nonthing of true justice for all men and women.

Posted by: Joseph | September 16, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA this is funny.. i love how Sarah makes you liberals squirm.

MCCAIN/PALIN 08 ; )

Posted by: Hillary Supporter | September 16, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Look this election is about WOMEN, stupid. The reason why Palin remains telfon is because women are attracted to her because she is a woman that many can relate to, at least initially, until they start hearing about what she is really about. I mean how much more does the media have to pile onto her before that bubble breaks? It appears that it doesn't matter. As long as Obama keeps ignoring womens issues she will keep the female voters, which means that Obama cannot attack her effectively and he should not attack her ever! It has to come from EVERY female legislator in Congress who is a Democrat and who is a patriot and whose country comes before party to get on the tube and start hammering the barracuda! Hilary needs to be more visable and more outraged at the fact that this fraud is going to take women back to the dark ages! Most of the Congressional women have been almost absent! What the heck is going on and who can't figure this out at the Obama campaign? I'd like to throttle them for not getting aggressive on this. The next thing they have to do is let Obama be Obama, let the ladies cut up Palin, and Obama start giving those inspirational positive speeches he doesn better than any other candidate. Cripes, this can't be this hard people!

Posted by: Jacquie | September 16, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

- Hillary has ZERO executive experience (as bad as Nobama).

- Hillary has ZERO achievements in her life: no legislation, no scholarly works. Nothing!!! (as bad as Nobama).

- Hillary has NEVER managed anything: a government agency, a small business, a corporation, a nonprofit organization, a military unit. Nothing!!! (as bad as Nobama).

- Hillary's performance as First Lady was well below average. Laura Bush is WWWWAAAAYYYY better than Hillary.

- Hillary was first elected to public office in the year 2000, when she was 56. In Congress, she has done... NOTHING of significance (as bad as Nobama).

Posted by: berrymonster | September 16, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

NO small town folks allowed:

Please tell me you're joking! Do you think McCain is small town?

Posted by: Latina | September 16, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

NO small town folks allowed

Elitist Obama is at a fancy little $3000. per person function! NO bitter, small town, gun totting, religious Americans are allowed!
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Let's see, McSame doesn't know how many houses he owns, his wife floats around the convention in $300,000 outfits and McSame spent his 70th birthday aboard a luxury yacht with a playboy conman and his actress girlfriend and you are calling who elitist?????

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs Hillary to win. What IRONY!

Hillary, NOW he wants you. Tell him to go to he--.

Posted by: Just say NO | September 16, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should support Sen Obama and she will CONTINUE to do that. She is a brilliant woman! Hillary will prove what Country First really means. Voting McCain-Palin would be like trying to put out a match with a flame thrower.

Posted by: Andrea | September 16, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Anny wrote:
Well my PUMA swing-state vote is gonna be a little more than "annoying" to you on November 4!! In fact, I think it'll make ya cry by November 5 :)

that is okay because mine will cancel your vote out.
Too bad.
That's the breaks and i'm sorry you will have to deal with backing another losing candidate in less then one year.
But, that's politics.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Elitist Obama is at a fancy little $3000. per person function! NO bitter, small town, gun totting, religious Americans are allowed!

Posted by: NO small town folks allowed | September 16, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

perhaps others are not aware of the double diss we Dems have gotten in Fla. with hanging chads and then Sen Clinton votes getting lost in the chads/political horse trading.
if your vote was added up then good on ya. we have issues here, and we are entitled to discuss.
half the posters here are so weirdly personal. can't you be emphatic without being abusive to others? we all care about the same things, but in different ways.

Posted by: broward babe | September 16, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary would be wise to stay out of this fight. Otherwise she will just come across as Obama's attack dog.

Posted by: JB | September 16, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Andrea, Thank you. I totally agree.
As a woman I cannot understand voting for someone just because she is a woman. I want competence and intelligence.
I cheered when Pelosi took up the gavel the first time but, she earned it.
As an independent woman I feel I have every right to support who I want and I don't do identity politics.
I vote based on the character, the ability and intelligence of a person.
Not because someone is a certain gender. Or because they are someone I want to have a beer with.
Why would anyone vote based on that?
A president should be better then the guy on a bar stool or the woman you go shopping with.
I want someone who is a cut above and not someone who is just average.
I want a statesman, someone highly intelligent and who is versed on the issues and has a university degree. Geez, we are talking about electing to someone for high office. Not best bowling buddy.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

And too the Florida and Michigan primary votes, lol its too funny, Obama pulls out and yes Hillary did say that they should be punished but reversed that when the process did help but limit the party so when the DNC was saying yes too allowing them back in Obama and his radical friends said well Hillary might have won these delagates but we are going to force the DNC to split them, I thought when you win or in this case the people voted for her how in the heck can you exspect toget votes that never were for you. Its sad that a man whom can not be honest that him and his family are the type who use feel sorry for me cause im a black man, funny he had no compasion for hillary in the race and thing is his team used the race card when they thought HIllary might win. Typical move on Obamas part, but thats ok when he looses all the radicals can go home and lick their wounds, too bad that all that hate for Hillary whom did win, was wasted. A woman shall open the white house and no matter what people think women are going in these places where men have dominated and Gov, Palin shall open the door where Obama tried too shut off.

Posted by: Joseph | September 16, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

could there be a worse time for NoBama to be raising millions in Hollywood with Babs and friends than the worst economy week in years?
Hillary would have taste and postpone, as the GOP toned down their antics for the hurricane. people are worried, ven frantic, and he is eating sushi with Warren Beatty?
I think it is possible NoBama is out of touch with regular people who don't have $28k for a dinner and party ticket.

Posted by: Babs party | September 16, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a LIAR! you sound jealous. I don't discriminate against someone just because they are wealthy. Actually, some of our best presidents have been wealthy ... and not in a position to be bought off. Obama has already proven he is not beyond being bought off. Look at the house his (now in jail) mentor gave him.

Posted by: Frustrated | September 16, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"If Palin were a man, would have McCain chosen her?"

Better question: "If Obama weren't black, would he be the nominee?"

Cuts both ways :P

Posted by: To Ben | September 16, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should step to the plate for the Democratic Party and the Obama-Biden ticket. If both Clintons make an all-out effort and the Democrats win, they will be the kingmakers for the party. If the Clintons make an all-out effort and the Democrats lose, Clinton is the inevitable choice in 2012.

Hillary and Bill burnish the Clinton image when they act in a statemanlike way. For them to desert the Democrats at this point would tarnish them in the eyes of the nation.

Should Hillary criticize Palin? Certainly, on matters of policy. No one is criticizing Palin because she is a woman, but Palin's inexperience and policy positions are fair game.

Bill Clinton, as the titular head of the Democratic Party, also has responsibility to campaign aggressively for the Democratic ticket. If he does not make this effort, he undercuts his legacy.

Posted by: ANetliner | September 16, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I think that 10-15% of the 18 million cracks jump the boat will be more than enough to tip the scale. The arrogance of the BO camp is just agonizing, and it is regrettable that the McPalin train already left the station for victory.

Posted by: Upbeat_2012 | September 16, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, people do. It's just that we could care less about them and find them rather annoying and immature."

Well my PUMA swing-state vote is gonna be a little more than "annoying" to you on November 4!! In fact, I think it'll make ya cry by November 5 :)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain in April declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, was back with the campaign last week.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt - Priceless*
That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


*Charity Begins at Home*
As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:
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Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
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Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


*Private Jet Setters*
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


*Help on the Homefront*
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N38Ug_ugzXs
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Posted by: McCain is a LIAR! | September 16, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

intcamd1,

Gutter rat? More often than not, it's the person employing the ad hominem who feels most at home in the sewer.

Posted by: emmesq | September 16, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Real Sexism: Women that say things like "I'm voting for Sarah Palin because she's likeable/nice/fresh" etc. How about voting for someone based on intelligence? The notion that women would vote for McCain and Palin based on Palin being likeable is frightening. We won the right to vote for that? Why not stay home to bake pies? Are white women as stupid as the media makes them sound? Wake up ladies!

Posted by: Andrea | September 16, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"What makes you think Obama won't run in 2012?"

... um, because by losing he'd be as big a joke as Kerry is. Besides, his boy Howie Dean will be out of the DNC so fast it will make Obama's telepromter spin!! No way would he get a second chance when he was "supposed" to win this time. You are kidding yourself, or you know nothing about politics.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

florida PUMAs will be heard - People stopped listening to you a long time ago.
You were amusing at first but, now have grown annoying. Like gnats.
Maybe you should find something Positive to do with your time and then, maybe people will begin to listen to what you have say.
Now it is more like you are just screaming in the wind and no one is paying all that much attention.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

What makes you people think Hillary will win in 2012? If McCain wins, Palin will be in position to run against her if she makes it to become the Dem nominee. And you know we all love our "hockey mom".

Posted by: Wen | September 16, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who hopes for Obama to lose just so Hillary can run in 2012 should have to wear clown noses for the next four years if McCain wins. AND if she turns on Obama in this election, what makes you think Obama supporters will forget in 2012? What makes you think Obama won't run in 2012? What makes you think there will be a spot worth running for in 2012 after Bush Part 3. You fake Dems need to get your mind right!

Posted by: Sevon | September 16, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, in my view and I think many more would agree, I was for Hillary all the way, then Obama whom said he would not run for President did and him and his radical group whom have used the DNC as their own plat form did the very thing we as true Democrats tried to fight, I say you got the man whom was raised with a faith involed with Nation of Islam who has ties with people of hate. As too Mccain and Palin at least they will speak up when their party tries todo what was done to the DNC unlike the radicals whom circumvented the process and made us true Democrats haft too swallow this man Obama, well im for a woman who will make a differance and those who think voting for Obama is for change, I think the change your for Americans can not afford, just another man in the white house, a woman would have been true change.

Posted by: Joseph | September 16, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who hopes for Obama to lose just so Hillary can run in 2012 should have to wear clown noses for the next four years if McCain wins. AND if she turns on Obama in this election, what makes you think Obama supporters will forget in 2012? What makes you think Obama won't run in 2012? What makes you think there will be a spot worth running for in 2012 after Bush Part 3. You fake Dems need to get your mind right!

Posted by: Sevon | September 16, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

intcamd1 - Have you tried therapy for your anger problem?
Maybe you should see about some anger management therapy and get a grip on yourself.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

PUMAs aren't sore losers. She won handily here in Fla. in the primary vote - which was decertified by Howard Dean in a DNC meeting around Memorial Day.
It was Al Gore vote hijacking all over again - and nobody was called a sore loser for protesting that "selection." We wanted the election to stand as counted. We even managed to count right this time!
But Howard Dean opted to place a candidate he has more "chemistry" with and try to humor us with pat pro-women comments. THAT is the Fla. PUMA issue. We're sore winners, I guess.
NoBama - no sale. Had he won fair and sqaure I would feel differently.
Hillary - I will write you in and vote against Feeney Weenie for Congress. He is toast.

Posted by: florida PUMAs will be heard | September 16, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"Why do some of you find it so hard to believe the PUMA movement? "
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Oh, people do. It's just that we could care less about them and find them rather annoying and immature.
They rant and rave but, have very little of substance to contribute to conversations.
People find them tiresome and tend to gloss over their posts and ignore them as a whole.
If there was anything important to say by them, it was so very long ago and not much else have they put forward that is all that interesting or amusing or of importance.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

You republicans pretending to be angry democrats, bitter women who have not worked out their emotional problems over Hillary yet and think that the primary was some person rejection of them, Obama supporters frustrated by and getting angry with the hard cores.

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Not clear to me what you are blabbering about, but the next time you are confused, you should look at the polls which show the % of HRC supporters not for Nob(ama). The last time I checked, that figure was close to 50%.

You know polls, don't you? You Nob supporting gutter rats used to like them, when your man was ahead in those "polls". Now I know suddenly many of you don't like them anymore.

I remember back in 1992 and 1996, when Bush I and DOle were behind, they used to routinely dismiss polls as the fiction of some elites, never mind that these were statistically constructed with low margins; now, you Nob's gutter rat army, is sounding like those Republicans of 92 and 96.

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 16, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama should demand that McCain promise that, if elected, he would not appoint Phil Gramm to his cabinet.

This is an incredibly nervy, audacious thing to do. What right does Obama have to tell McCain what to do? The answer - who cares. Imagine the news cycle.
By issuing a demand like this, Obama forcefully puts McCain on the defensive, and the news cycle is dominated by the story, and dominated by Phil Gramm. Phil Gramm - the architect of the deregulation that got us into this financial mess, the Senator who passed through Washington's revolving door from the House to K Street, the poster boy for big money influence peddling. McCain will huff and puff with outrage - but he will be talking about Phil Gramm. The right wing talk machine will go ballistic - but so what, they will attack Obama no matter what he does. So give them something to talk about - and keep the focus on Phil Gramm. He is a simple, easy to understand symbol for everything that is wrong about McCain. No six point plans or long explanations needed - just say the words fire Phil Gramm and watch the ripple effect.

Posted by: Rapps | September 16, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should offer to replace Obama on the ticket as the presidential nominee. She and Biden would make a formidable team ... and her nomination would allow us Democrats to vote in a president who actually has the credentials to be president ... and who isn't tainted with past associations with a corrupt Chicago political machine or a mentor who is now in prison. I.e., It would keep us from voting the McCain/Palin ticket as a protest vote against someone who isn't qualified to be president and, more importantly, can't be trusted to lead this country.

Posted by: Frustrated | September 16, 2008 10:34 PM

+++++++++++++

Being frustrated is one thing; being sstupid is something else.

History:

Clinton LOST the Democratic race. She MAY HAVE gotten more popular votes, but so what!

This is a PRESIDENTIAL race ultimately; winning popular votes means diddly squat.

It is the ABILITY to put together a TEAM on the ground to take advantage BOTH caucases and primary votes --- i.e. the DIFFERENTIAL delegate counts allocated to the caucases and primaries --- that WINS YOU, in the Democratic Party, the nomination.

Clinton DID NOT do that.

Stop b*tch*n' and vote for McCain and Ms Creationist "I could see Russia from some Alaska island" Palin already!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

If Palin were a man, would have McCain chosen her? Personally, I dont think so. This does not show an indifference to gender but an acute awareness of it resulting in a manipulation of it for political leveraging.

I would have voted for Hillary not because she is a woman, but because she would have done a great job as president and "happens to be a woman." Isn't this what woman (and men) are after, people indifferent to gender, so that an individual neither is limited nor advantaged because of gender? Gender equality, you might say.

I think Hillary should see past gender, as she would like others to do when assessing her suitability for a political position, and articulately contrast McCain and Palin's with Obama and Biden's positions on the issues that matter -- paying no more and no less attention than she would have if Palin were a man.

I am not saying that would be easy, even if that is Hillary's instinct -- to have a gender neutral view -- because the reality is the press and public will still see Hillary's assessment, at least partially, through the gender lens.

Posted by: Ben | September 16, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

We need to quit treating Palin like the female candidate and start treating her as an equal candidate. Pointing out her misstatements and outright lies is not being sexist or condescending. It's also not attacking her because of her sex. Equality means that you are treated the same, not that you capitalize on your breaking that glass ceiling and at the same time say that you aren't going to talk to the press until they treat you with the proper respect.

Hillary should support Obama and no one should hesitate to point out every lie that Palin makes, every time Palin tries to evade questions or inquiries because she is being mistreated because of her sex. Months ago Sarah Palin said Hillary had no right to expect different treatment from the press because she was female, just like everything else in the McCain/Palin campaign that has since changed.

Hillary should remind every person that voted for her that what this country needs is change and that the party that has been lying to us for the last eight years is still lying. There is no waiting until 2012. Look at the mess that this country is in today, look at Bush's experience and then look at Sarah Palin's experience and then decide that you want to vote for her because she has been the mayor of a town with less than 10,000 people, governor for less than 2 years, and oh yeah, she's a pitbull with lipstick.

Before you make a decision to vote for Sarah Palin because she's a woman, really look at her record. She increased tax's in Wasilla and left them in debt, and then look at how she gave everyone in Alaska money back. The state had an unexpected revenue and guess where it came from, you and me. Alaskans don't pay state income taxes because they have so much oil, they got money back because oil prices had gone up so much over the last year.

Look at that record and tell me that Palin is a maverick and a reformer. The American people deserve to hear the truth about who could end up in the White House and we need every person out there who can tell the truth to do so. Hillary should stand up and do just that, not because it is her against Sarah Palin, but because it is the right thing to do. This country is in trouble. It is time to quit focusing on perceived sexism, lipstick on pitbulls or pigs, and focus on the real problems and the real solutions.

Posted by: Liz | September 16, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The more we talk about Hillary, the more I remember that her only qualification was... uhmmm, errr, yeah I remember... she was Bill's wife, and she accepted the constant humiliation of having to forgive such an a** time and again.

Posted by: berrymonster | September 16, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Tim and J. Anderson are right.
You find nothing but, name calling, taunts and hate rants.
No wonder people cannot have intelligent discussions anymore.
Because intelligence is no longer applicable in the US judging by the comments.
You republicans pretending to be angry democrats, bitter women who have not worked out their emotional problems over Hillary yet and think that the primary was some person rejection of them, Obama supporters frustrated by and getting angry with the hard cores.
I suppose we have talk radio to thank for that. Once they ushered in the era of ignorant and boorish behavior you see the deterioration of any civilized talking between people.
The anti-education, anti-intelligence types who feel behaving vulgar is normal and to behave civilized is allien.
You have the me, me and me generation who turn everything into some personal grievance about them, (when they don't understand they just are not that important in the grand scheme of things)they are unable to come at anything from a practical point of view.
No wonder I rarely come here.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh, many of us believe in the PUMAS. We just happened to think that they are self-absorbed women who wanted to live vicariously through HRC and think every slight can be chalked up to sexism or misogyny. What's more sexist than taking advantage of a young intern? Of course there is that small problem of failing to to speak out against it if it's in your own (female) self-interests.

I was active duty Army from the age of 17 through 21. If my chain of command found out that a superior diddled me in his own office, he'd have been forced out at a minimum. If my female command sergeant major had tacitly approved, she'd have been forced out as well.

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

Posted by: themis | September 16, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Do you see Huckabee running around bad-mouthing Mac.
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Question for the Nob(ama) groupie gutter rat above - do you see HRC running around bad mouthing Nob?

On the contrary, do you see scores of Nob's surrogates and paid prostitutes in the media (like Dowd, Robinson, RIch, Olbermann etc; too many to name) running off their mouths and trashing her every day, even as she is going around the country, raising millions for the Nob, and begging her supporters to vote him? YES!!

Oh, and you were saying??

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 16, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Does it matter what Hillary should do anymore? Polls are indicating the "Palin effect" is fading. This is old news. It's all about the economy again, stupid.

Posted by: will in greenfield | September 16, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

"Why do some of you find it so hard to believe the PUMA movement? "

Its not that we don't believe it. I think everyone does. It's that we recognize it as one of those challenges that we as a nation will have to fight through. It sucks, but we've fought greater challenges to our homeland.

We'll get through this one too.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 16, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should offer to replace Obama on the ticket as the presidential nominee. She and Biden would make a formidable team ... and her nomination would allow us Democrats to vote in a president who actually has the credentials to be president ... and who isn't tainted with past associations with a corrupt Chicago political machine or a mentor who is now in prison. I.e., It would keep us from voting the McCain/Palin ticket as a protest vote against someone who isn't qualified to be president and, more importantly, can't be trusted to lead this country.

Posted by: Frustrated | September 16, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

for gawd's sake, give Hillary a break. She's gonna do what a gal's gotta do. This election is not about Barack, or Hillary, or John, or even Sarah. It's the economy, stupid. And it's the Supreme Court, stupid. Hillary is an intelligent and loyal American, and realizes that if her ambitions result in more of same in the economic sphere and more justices in the Roberts/Scalito mold, then there may not even be an election in 2012 for her to run in.


Posted by: beaujames | September 16, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should run away from the Obama campaign as fast as she can. There is something dead in Denmark.

Posted by: What to do | September 16, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse


TARGETING OF U.S. CITIZENS BY GOV'T AGENCIES:
A ROOT CAUSE OF WALL STREET FINANCIAL MELTDOWN?
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis

Posted by: scrivener | September 16, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should run away from the Obama campaign as fast as she can. There is something dead in Denmark.

Posted by: What to do | September 16, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

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People question why Hilary should support Obama. Two (2) Simple reasons,

1. If she had won she would have needed him to bring home the black votes. Democrats have not won an election in recent history w/o significant black vote turn out.

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The Nobama groupie gutter rats need to remember that it was the would be first fist bumper heroine Michelle herself who stated way back when, perhaps even before super T, that she could n't vote HRC.

So, when the gutter rat above talks about HRC needing black votes, I guess s/she is not including Michelle, eh?

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 16, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should not get involved in the Palin thing. this is just what the media wants. To have a cat fight thing.
Hillary should do what she is doing.
Women who vote against their own interests and go for mcCain have no one to blame when they find themselves without health insurance and get sick. McCain wants to end employer based health insurance and will penalize employers who provide them. Or find their civil rights rolled back. Have no right to complain because they are not getting equal pay or that they see family and friends off to yet another war.
They knew the deal and went ahead and voted for mcCain out of spite and have no one to blame but, themselves.
The fact that they put themselves before their country and caused millions of people to suffer for their selfishness should be on their shoulders.
they knew what the stakes were going in and yet, chose to ignore them and vote for purely selfish and spiteful reasons.
As a woman, I honestly do not see how any woman could do that to her children and their future, to friends and family or to themselves.
Spite always comes back to bite you.

Posted by: vwcat | September 16, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

LOW-CLASS CLUELESS GAFFES OF
"THE INAPPROPRIATE OBAMAS"

On McCain adding Sarah Palin to his ticket & calling that "change":
“Lipstick on a pig” & "it smells like an old fish"

To Hillary saying I'm not as charming as he is: "You're likable enough" (smirk)

"Hold on sweetie"

Dismissing Hillary w/3 am cell phone text message announcing Biden

For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country

America, my grandmother is a "Typical White Person"

Small town America: bitter and cling to religion and guns and antipathy toward people not like themselves

Surge was not a success (we lost the war)

Having an opinion about when a baby acquires rights: above my pay grade says "Constitutional Law Lecturer" Obama

Iran: a tiny country that cannot hurt us

I have visited 57 states in America

Behold the Obama Presidential Seal on my podium

I'll stop poverty, still rising seas, heal planet, redeem America from its ignorance

The Republicans will tell you not to vote for me because I don't look like the presidents on the dollar bills

The Republicans will tell you that I'm a Muslim

Americans: cynical, lazy, slobs, downright mean

Germans, I apologize for America

** Oh yeah, Head-of-State and First Lady material **

Michelle & Barack Obama may have spent a couple of years at Harvard decades ago, but they've spent the last 20 years sitting in the South Side Chicago Afrocentric-rant church of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Trinity Church, soaking up his political ideas about America & his social programming.

NOW THEY ARE TRASHY-GAFFE MACHINES

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Try to Understand!!!

Hillary, get a grip on reality and wake up your minions of Bitter Sore-loser Self-proclaimed Victimized White Women!

Why are we still talking about her? She doesn't get it and never will.

Do you see Huckabee running around bad-mouthing Mac. Do you see groups of Huckabee-bees running around acting out and hollering about how they will vote for O in November as the Hillarians do?

Do you see Romney surrogates on the bloviator shows trashing Mac? Does Thompson refuse to meaningfully campaign for Mac, or demand Mac pay off his campaign debt, or tell his money people not to give to Mac?

Did any of them attack Mac personally in the race or claim Mac was unqualified to be president? Did any refuse to leave the race after they had mathematically lost for the sole purpose of damaging Mac in the general election? Did any get on TV and openly hope for "something bad" to happen to Mac that would allow them to win the nomination? How sick is that??? "No" to each question.

Huckabee, Romney, and Thompson, none of whom like Mac, are all on board for Mac, ready to campaign or show up on any cable bloviator show on a moment's notice for Mr. Mac. Why? Because they are team players not performance artists.

HRC, forget campaigning for O (if that's what you call what you're doing now). Leave the stage. Take the harpies with you. Just leave a check to repair all the damage you caused.
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People question why Hilary should support Obama. Two (2) Simple reasons,

1. If she had won she would have needed him to bring home the black votes. Democrats have not won an election in recent history w/o significant black vote turn out.
2. The Republicans are taking advantage of a situation that she and her supporters help created with a protracted nomination process and griping about stealing election. Palin understands it. She called Hilary a whiner before he nomination and is now singing her praise hoping that Hilary will not be fully behind Obama.


Look at the Republicans all the losers(from the nomination) are helping McCain. Even the ones who were insulted about being side stepped for a woman who is not qualified. (It is funny they are for the 1st time understanding what women go through everyday).

Only the democratic party can start and election cycle where even if the picked a pig they would have won and now in a position of worrying about loosing. A year ago either candidate would be almost a sure thing. The problem is after a protracted fight both would be in the position Obama is now.

If Hillary had won the Republican's would have picked a black man, or better yet a black woman to run against her.

I admire republican's. Even if they did not get their person they would not be actively campaigning for the other team. They may not be enthusiastic but they would not vote for the other side knowing that, the person on the other end does not represent them.

I also admire that they are the only party who can put a totally unqualified candidate and convince you otherwise and do it over and over again. Its like the fool who keeps player against the three card man, convince that this time he will win.

I started this election cycle with questions about Obama's qualification, while campaigning for Hilary(Actually I started in 2000 and was hoping she would have ran in 2004 instead of that fool Kerry.) Obama did not win the primary, Hilary lost it when she hired people who did not understand the process, and failed to be prepared. The nomination showed that even though she was experienced and a fighter you do not always get it right the first time.

Obama showed in the last two(2) years that he can read the rule book, prepare himself and play by the rules and win. He also shows that he can inspire people.

I do not need a president that can solve my problems. I need one the can create the environment for me to solve it myself and to inspire my fellow country man to at least try.

Posted by: Annonymous II | September 16, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Barrack Obama
has been loose with his promises of change
Loose Change Obama.
Where's your message of Hope and Change?
Gone negative now, eh?

Posted by: canamdutch | September 16, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I read the utter stupidity expressed here and the answer to the question "How could George W Bush possibly have been elected twice?" is quite clear. 3/4 of the comments sound like playground taunts of a bunch of 3rd graders. It is no wonder that our political campaigns have degenerated to name calling contests. It is merely reflective of the intellect of the voting public.

Posted by: J Anderson | September 16, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should run away from the Obama campaign as fast as she can. There is something dead in Denmark.

Posted by: What to do | September 16, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Obamanuts are so lazy that they often forget to type their nicknames in the box.

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Posted by: Voting For Blogs | September 16, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should run away from the Obama campaign as fast as she can. There is something dead in Denmark.

Posted by: What to do | September 16, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Tom,

If only most posters were as succinct and insightful as you.

Alas, the the overwrought ones (notice that I didn't say hysterical, which would be sexist, considering that it derives from the wandering uterus theory) can't even put together a grammatical sentence, much less a concise, logical argument.

-Issues, not identity, voter

Posted by: themis | September 16, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should just be a good Democrat and do the minimal required to support the Obama ticket while us, her supporters, vote for McCain to ensure her victory in 2008. Hillary in 2012!
http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Hillary in 2012! | September 16, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin = Guard dogs and Attack dogs for America First.
Obama and Biden = neutered lap dogs for France, Germany, etc., and the rest of the UN. Shades of, "Peace in our times" crap.
Hillary would have been with McCain and Palin.
Let the rest of the world be amused by Obama, but let all of America be wary of them. World adulation is not necessarily a desirable commodity. Look what the Fed and Financial experts have done.
Bush - Nobel Peace Prize 2030

Posted by: canamdutch | September 16, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should run away from the Obama campaign as fast as she can. There is something dead in Denmark.

Posted by: What to do | September 16, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

United Socialists of America run by Born Again Moron Cons Nationalizing Big Finance at Taxpayers expense. Let's Nationalize Big Oil. The Moron Cons claim to want small less intrusive government. The Born Again Faith Based Pro Life Mass Murderers Serial Killer War Criminal Terrorist Nazis are all Frauds. Anyone enabling these War Criminals are equally guilty in all the Murderers, Rapes and War Crimes. Have fun in Hell, Moron Con Frauds.

Posted by: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Songbird McWarCriminal??? | September 16, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

obama may not be getting the married white women's vote as much as he'd like, but he seems to be getting the single women's vote (i.e. of all colors)
http://www.alternet.org/election08/98343/has_sarah_palin_motivated_the_very_voters_that_obama_needs_to_win_/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, get a grip on reality and wake up your minions of Bitter Sore-loser Self-proclaimed Victimized White Women!

Why are we still talking about her? She doesn't get it and never will.

Do you see Huckabee running around bad-mouthing Mac. Do you see groups of Huckabee-bees running around acting out and hollering about how they will vote for O in November as the Hillarians do?

Do you see Romney surrogates on the bloviator shows trashing Mac? Does Thompson refuse to meaningfully campaign for Mac, or demand Mac pay off his campaign debt, or tell his money people not to give to Mac?

Did any of them attack Mac personally in the race or claim Mac was unqualified to be president? Did any refuse to leave the race after they had mathematically lost for the sole purpose of damaging Mac in the general election? Did any get on TV and openly hope for "something bad" to happen to Mac that would allow them to win the nomination? How sick is that??? "No" to each question.

Huckabee, Romney, and Thompson, none of whom like Mac, are all on board for Mac, ready to campaign or show up on any cable bloviator show on a moment's notice for Mr. Mac. Why? Because they are team players not performance artists.

HRC, forget campaigning for O (if that's what you call what you're doing now). Leave the stage. Take the harpies with you. Just leave a check to repair all the damage you caused.
____

People question why Hilary should support Obama. Two (2) Simple reasons,

1. If she had won she would have needed him to bring home the black votes. Democrats have not won an election in recent history w/o significant black vote turn out.
2. The Republicans are taking advantage of a situation that she and her supporters help created with a protracted nomination process and griping about stealing election. Palin understands it. She called Hilary a whiner before he nomination and is now singing her praise hoping that Hilary will not be fully behind Obama.


Look at the Republicans all the losers(from the nomination) are helping McCain. Even the ones who were insulted about being side stepped for a woman who is not qualified. (It is funny they are for the 1st time understanding what women go through everyday).

Only the democratic party can start and election cycle where even if the picked a pig they would have won and now in a position of worrying about loosing. A year ago either candidate would be almost a sure thing. The problem is after a protracted fight both would be in the position Obama is now.

If Hillary had won the Republican's would have picked a black man, or better yet a black woman to run against her.

I admire republican's. Even if they did not get their person they would not be actively campaigning for the other team. They may not be enthusiastic but they would not vote for the other side knowing that, the person on the other end does not represent them.

I also admire that they are the only party who can put a totally unqualified candidate and convince you otherwise and do it over and over again. Its like the fool who keeps player against the three card man, convince that this time he will win.

I started this election cycle with questions about Obama's qualification, while campaigning for Hilary(Actually I started in 2000 and was hoping she would have ran in 2004 instead of that fool Kerry.) Obama did not win the primary, Hilary lost it when she hired people who did not understand the process, and failed to be prepared. The nomination showed that even though she was experienced and a fighter you do not always get it right the first time.

Obama showed in the last two(2) years that he can read the rule book, prepare himself and play by the rules and win. He also shows that he can inspire people.

I do not need a president that can solve my problems. I need one the can create the environment for me to solve it myself and to inspire my fellow country man to at least try.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, it's nice to see that "The Fix" draws some of the deep thinkers in our society. How are those knees feeling, folks? Got the spasms worked out yet? This set of comments is a great encapsulated example of why America is so screwed up right now.

Posted by: Tim | September 16, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's only case scenario is to campaign hard for Obama for a potential Supreme Court nomination. Had she bowed out gracefully in March and apologized for the non-issues remarks against Obama she would have been a lock for the VP slot and could have run in 2016 regardless if Obama/Clinton was re-elected in 2012. Because she blew that opportunity by blowing off half of the Democratic Party and electorate that is no longer an option. PUMAs give it up! The so called Obamacons will never vote Clinton based almost exclusively on your negative antics since January 08! You have no one to blame but yourselves.

Posted by: Cap | September 16, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin is not ready for much, especially not the presidency, anyone who says otherwise is crazy.

Hillary would have been vp had it not been for her husband.

Let's face it Bill would have been a big problem for any number of reasons and it wouldn't have made the Republicans any less offensive. Nor would it had made a difference in McSame's pick.

The country is split in half and the Republicans know how to use all the cards to keep it that way.

Change is needed, but McCain is not going to bring that change, not with the people that surround him. States that vote for him and are economically challenged now, are going to be worse off, they deserve what they will get if McCain/Palin make it into office.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | September 16, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Why do some of you find it so hard to believe the PUMA movement? I voted for Hillary in the primaries and really wanted to see her in the White House. Obama just blabbers on and on and comes off to me as a total neophyte with the hubris to think that he deserves the White House after a short stint in the Senate. McCain isn't perfect, but whatever - he'll have a Democratic Congress to deal with, so he wouldn't be able to do anything drastic for the next 4 years.

I am voting for McCain in '08 and hope that Hillary runs again in '12. Just because you don't want to believe that there are people like me out here does not mean that we don't exist --- believe me, we DO!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm writing you from Asia: I think Hillary should do nothing. Let the white women elect one of their own (Palin) whoever unqualified and dumb she might be. We like it out here; I mean, seeing hte US' much-touted the 'democratic' process produce one dunce after the other just because of their skin color.

In the meantime, we here are pulling ahead, despite flaws in our systems. However, we are having the laughs of our lives seeing the US slowly implode: politically, economically, rhetorically, and (again) even racially...

Posted by: Xie Wu | September 16, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should start talking about her own experience, for example:

- she was the wife of a small-state governor for a more than a decade...

- she was the wife of the U.S. President for eight years...

- she was the chairperson of a health reform commission, which failed miserably...

- as a first lady she got into lots of trouble by abusing power -remember travelgate, whitewater, etc...

- her close friend Vince Foster was found dead near the White House...

- she went to Bosnia, where she was caught in the middle of sniper fire...

- she played a key role in the pardons issued by Bill Clinton to their business partners, during his last day in office...

- she knows how to handle a family crisis -remember Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, etc...

- she knows how to handle the media vultures...

With all this experience, Hillary is obviously MORE QUALIFIED than Sarah Palin to be... what were we talking about????

Posted by: berrymonster | September 16, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, Chris. Hillary should listen to you. This article would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | September 16, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

hillary should divorce bill

Posted by: TWOTIMETUNA | September 16, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"It is amazing how an Obama worshipping groupie gutter can say "Hillary is not a propoer party supporter, and is not campaigning hard enough" and then in the same sentence "you better do as much as we demand you to do, or else we will not vote you". Only in America can you see these weird gutter rats. You have proven in one sentence that you pondscum rats are vindictive and at the same time have no sense of shame to demand Hillary.

SHe did a ton more than Teddy K and Hart in 1980 and 8 - those old goofies even refused to shake hands with the winners at the conventions, and yet, you Nobama supporting pondscum worship that buffoon Ted.

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 16, 2008 10:13 PM "

Ever get so mad you became totally incoherent? Yup.

Posted by: tom | September 16, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, Monica, Paula and Gennifer should open a boutique in Chappaqua named "Bubba made me do it."

Posted by: Leif Ericson | September 16, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

So "The Chosen One' now wants Hillary to bail his sorry "donkey" out of the Palin mess, huh? If I were Hillary I would tell him to ____ off! It is a measure of his lack of political skill (lack thereof) that he finds himself in this mess. The only question is "Which sorry loser do we want in the White House for the next four years?". Not a great choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

What should HILLARY do???

Why should she HAVE to do a blasted thing for a party that stabbed her in the back and robbed her of the nomination?

I think I'll do a "Leave Hillary Alone!" video for Youtube.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | September 16, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary Clinton needs to repeat what some anti-Alaskan women said, "What's the different between Sarah Palin and George Bush? Lipstick.

If Hillary Clinton is perceived as not going all out for her party and Obama in 2008, it will not matter about 2012 because Obama supporters, especially African Americans will not get behind her. She will not even make it through the primaries. I can tell you that many people think she is not coming out strong enough for the Democratic party.

Posted by: Kat | September 16, 2008 10:06 PM

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It is amazing how an Obama worshipping groupie gutter can say "Hillary is not a propoer party supporter, and is not campaigning hard enough" and then in the same sentence "you better do as much as we demand you to do, or else we will not vote you". Only in America can you see these weird gutter rats. You have proven in one sentence that you pondscum rats are vindictive and at the same time have no sense of shame to demand Hillary.

SHe did a ton more than Teddy K and Hart in 1980 and 8 - those old goofies even refused to shake hands with the winners at the conventions, and yet, you Nobama supporting pondscum worship that buffoon Ted.

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 16, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm...let's see. When there's Democratic woman running, there's a ton of really perverse sexism and not much outcry about it.

When there's a Republican woman running, there's not much sexism, but a LOT of outcry about it.

Cmon, brainiacs. What do YOU guys think is going on?

Posted by: DDAWD | September 16, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Hillary, but I will not vote for you in 2012 either. Besides, if you win, the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world at 2012. Coincidence? I think not!

Posted by: Bill | September 16, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama's like a baby without his blanket. He can't go anywhere now, even the sticks without his teleprompter.

You Libs don't see a problem here.

Shouldn't the guy have total command of the issues after 18 months and be able to speak from the head and the heart.

The guy is really just an idiot and you want to put him ine White House?

Posted by: Obama2012 | September 16, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is the problem. If she had bowed out like all the other men in this race during the primaries, then we would have had a unified party around Obama. She didn't, because her ego was enormous, and now we have a wounded candidate. All signs point to her doing this so she can run in 2012. That is despicable. She would have been the VP pick if she had bowed out with honor, but instead she is a joke, and she stands no chance in any future election.

Posted by: Mary B | September 16, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary Clinton needs to repeat what some anti-Alaskan women said, "What's the different between Sarah Palin and George Bush? Lipstick.

If Hillary Clinton is perceived as not going all out for her party and Obama in 2008, it will not matter about 2012 because Obama supporters, especially African Americans will not get behind her. She will not even make it through the primaries. I can tell you that many people think she is not coming out strong enough for the Democratic party.

Posted by: Kat | September 16, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I find it hard to believe that a substantial portion of female voters would favor Hillary Clinton yet reject Obama in favor of McCain-Palin. Sen. Clinton and Gov. Palin have nothing in common but their gender. Such female voters, if they exist, would be voting solely on the basis of gender, rather than on issues such as reproductive rights, foreign policy, fiscal policy, etc.

Women just aren't as dumb as the poll suggests. This is standard media hype, searching for a story where none exists. Move along now.

Posted by: Terminator_X | September 16, 2008 10:01 PM

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This is the not the standard media hype; rather, rejection of poll results on a selective basis is the hallmark of an retarded mind, which of course goes hand in hand with being a Nobama worshipping groupie gutter rat.

Consistently polls have shown > 40% of HRC supporters will vote Mac or sit home. Read that weep on Nov 5 (after the empty suit lost with the HRC supporters being the key swing block), as you ponder why your empty suit hero so shameless race and sex carded her, and later treated her sh*t during the VP process, and then announced it at 3AM.

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 16, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should do just what she is doing now. If Barack needs her, she should respond and do all possible to help his campaign and the party and the nation. What she shouldn't do is get into a one-on-one with the vp candidate of the other party. That would really make it a gender thing. I did not support her because she is a woman; I voted for her because I thought she was the most qualified. But now, with the Obama campaign in place, we should all do our best to help him win. Hopefully we'll all be able to say that our "national nightmare is over".

Posted by: jblee | September 16, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Hilary should stay out of this and let those dumb white woman throw away their vote, my way. I will be sure to reward them by appointing judges whose mandate will be to overturn Roe v Wade.

I am John McCain and I approve this message!

Posted by: JohnMcCain | September 16, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is playing in it smart. Just enough support to make it look good, but not enough to help Obama win.

She'll have clear sailing in '12 if all works to plan.

Posted by: info | September 16, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I find it hard to believe that a substantial portion of female voters would favor Hillary Clinton yet reject Obama in favor of McCain-Palin. Sen. Clinton and Gov. Palin have nothing in common but their gender. Such female voters, if they exist, would be voting solely on the basis of gender, rather than on issues such as reproductive rights, foreign policy, fiscal policy, etc.

Women just aren't as dumb as the poll suggests. This is standard media hype, searching for a story where none exists. Move along now.

Posted by: Terminator_X | September 16, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I think that there is an excellent approach that Obama should pursue in order to undermine McCain's political attempt to "steal" Hillary's "18 million" voters by selecting the un-Hillary religious fundamentalist Palin: Make a deal with Hillary that Biden would be like Cheney (would not have presidential abmitions) and if she accepts to be Obama's secretary of state she would be his de facto successor for 2016 (of course she would not be a co-president, Obama would be the ultimate "decider," and she would have to run a successful campaing in 2016). As soon as Obama begins to say that Hillary would be his secretary of state and Chuck Hagel his secretary of defense, McCain's campaign would be in political retreat (would members of the so-called PUMA and the pantsuits vote against seeing Hillary as s.o.state, a position that could have a higher profile than VP?).

Posted by: Nabeel | September 16, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Ladies - look ahead to 2012. NoBama and Sen. Blowhard re already fading, before the fireworks are cooled. So be it. A shame to waste a big lead in the polls and I am worried about McCain but I....can't wait to see Hillary Clinton elected in 2012.
Please vote Dems. on your ballot except for pres; or stay home; or write-in Hillary.
Stand up for her and for the other woman too - they are worth defending so we can break the open misogyny in the American media. (For giggles, picture Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman in paper hats at Arbys, serving lunch to your admin. Phunny.)
Florida PUMAS! Making a difference in a key swing state - help me spank Howard Dean for stealing our primary vote. Naughty boy...

Posted by: Florida PUMAs will be heard | September 16, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm a white woman who supported Hillary and now supports Obama, and I know many women like me. I find your poll very suspect.

Posted by: ccatmoon | September 16, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should not even give the time of the day for Nobama. That empty suit slimed her, race and sex carded her, compared Bill to Nixon, and name called them on a daily basis, and encouraged his aides and surrogates in the press to use such monikers as "pimp" on CHelsea, treated her disgracefully in the VP pick process, and then deliberately insulted her by sending the VP announcement email at 3AM.

In short, he did everything he could to trash them, spit on them, tarnish Bill's legacy in the history books.

If elected, he will most likely start some kinda investigation into the Clintons' past, perhaps refund Ken Starr, perhaps discover some bohus evidence with the ultimate aim of throwing them into the jail. We know he is vindictive.

All the CLinton supporters who are blindly following their party leaders into falling in line behind Nobama, should remember what is in store for Clinton and their supporters if he should become the president. This guy will make it seem as if the Republican COngress days of late 1990s were paradise for Bill.

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 16, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I supported Hillary and I live in NY and hope she continues to do a great job as Senator. I watched the primary like no other before and it wasn't Obama that was sexist, I never once saw that, the media, especially sources like Fox, were most definitely guilty.

You are maybe angry still, but you can't bundle blame onto Obama the evidence just doesn't support it.

Stick to the ideas that matter.

There will be no Clinton 2012, maybe Chelsea 2020.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

HRC should just go screw herself instead of screwing BHO by offering her tepid support. After all, she's probably not getting any from Bill. And anything she does for BHO will be only to further her self-interest and sabotage his. If she does run in 2012, I can't wait for the Clintonistas/PUMAS to get some of their own back in their face because there are a lot of of Dems (including this female feminist) who won't hesitate to take the fight to her and support her primary opponents. She's as much a blue/pink collar champion as my (white) sharecropping grandfather was king of Scotland.

Posted by: themis | September 16, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big Hillary supported. I don't think Hillary should be making plans for 2012, it's too hypothetical. Instead, she should campaign for Obama very hard and let the chips fall where they may. However, if Obama wants her out there and visible, then he needs to get her more air time and feature her is his ads. . . . . . . I believe she would be happy to set forth her case for the women of America.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | September 16, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's future career in the Democratic party depends entirely on how much she supports her party's candidate in this present election. Anything less than full support -- and she is history.

Posted by: Bodo | September 16, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

What should HRC do ?
She must accept she was defeated by a brand new politician with just two years of experience at federal level.
So
Keep quite.
Take long Vacation.
Recognize BHO Doesn't need her.
Do not be arrogant by thinking she is still important and she could "Help" . That's dumb

Posted by: zien106 | September 16, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

My advice is to campaign with Lily Ledbetter. I asked my wife, who is an informed person--though not a news junkie--who she is and she never heard of her. I do not care what your party is, for a woman to not be in favor of women to make the same or nearly the same salary for doing the exact SAME job as a man, has got to resonate.

This is not the tired feminist canard of 73 cents to a dollar that is bogus given that it compares apples to oranges, but an exact comparison. It bothers me as a man and as someone who thinks there should be some fairness in the law.

Ledbetter was screwed by the courts and now McCain and the GOP in Congress are doing it to her again. So I say, introduce America to Ledbetter, and things might get a little better for the Dems!

Posted by: merganser | September 16, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should continue to stay out of it. Let things go as they may and run again in 2012.

If she speaks against Palin, she risks loosing a good portion of her base, especially those that have moved to the Palin ticket as a result of what DNC.

Posted by: GW | September 16, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary owes Obama NOTHING. He trashed her and Bill during the primaries. He fears her, so she will have little role in the unlikely event of an Obama Presidency. Why would she buy a ticket on the Titanic?

Posted by: pgr88 | September 16, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can forget 2012 the new kid on the block is Sara.Hillary is old news .Go Sara.

Posted by: Nett | September 16, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

For now Hillary seems to have concluded her best shot at 2012 is to stay under the radar and do just enough to defend her actions after Obama loses. She can always say attacking Palin was unwise so she didn't take that approach.

She can do a few events in OH and PA to innoculate herself while the days draw down toward the kickoff of the Hillary 2012 campaign. The Clintons are nothing if not impeccable politicians. Look for lots of outrage and crocodile tears afterward. Then an ever so slow buildup to the nomination she should have had this time. Others will beg her to run again of course. Reluctantly she will step forward.


Posted by: Jack NYC | September 16, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Nice contrived story, Fix. What, advertising money falling off now that "Sarah Saturation" is over?

Posted by: Jaho | September 16, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

White woman for Obama checking in!

Posted by: White Woman | September 16, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza, you're getting better at your talking head appearances.

But you now look like you have some long incisors. Vaguely vampirish....

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Brother. This outlier of a poll that is now a week old and fully reflective of whatever convention bounce the Republicans had (and which is now fading fast) is used to butress a questionable narrative that, unlike the polls at this stage, tends to correlate with ultimate outcomes. Brilliant work here guys.

Posted by: Majorajam | September 16, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

ANY person voting for McCain, not because of his politics, but because he chose Palin should think VERY HARD about their vote.

This election is not about white women or Hillary ~ it's about the future of this country. From the economy to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to health care and education.

Focusing on anything less is simply ignorant.

Posted by: Captain John | September 16, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Chris, it's nice that you highlight your readers' comments but it's clear the pages are full of people pretending to be former Hillary supporters, trying to trick people into thinking that there are huge numbers of PUMAs turning against Obama for Palin. They usually have usernames like "HillarysGirl", "Hillaryin2012", etc. You're just enabling their deception if you don't point them out.

Posted by: Potter | September 16, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Who says that Obama is loosing the support of white women? I tend to doubt that very much.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | September 16, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

David, I wonder why that is? The two guys closest to her and who know best her character, personality and integrity refused to support her under any circumstances. Of course, Vince Foster, who knew her well, as well, isn't around to say anything.

And let's be clear she's not campaigning for O, she is campaigning for herself (as she did at the convention where she barely mentioned him her speech). She reminding people of her 125 imagined grievances, of which only one has any basis: Chris Matthews did insult her on one show four months ago. What Chris said was true but it was rude.

Why are we still talking about her? It's like talking about Jerry Lewis at the Oscars. Why????

___

"Richardson, Reich, almost everybody I can think of who owes their career to Bill Clinton not only neglected to endorse Hillary, they enthusiastically endorsed Obama at crucial times." -- David in Baltimore"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I think an earlier poster is right, Hillary really doesn't need to do anything more for Obama. I think she is doing enough. To expect her to badmouth Palin is not realistic after she cried sexism from the media towards her campaign. I also think she and Obama had such a vicious primary (both sides played to win) this is a lot of conciliation we are witnessing.

Paul Begala, friend of the Clinton's had this to say:

And, like Bush, McCain has a remarkable affinity for lobbyists. His campaign has, by my count, 134 lobbyists serving as bundlers or advisers or staff members. He has chosen to associate himself with people who have lobbied for foreign dictators, big oil companies and every corporate special interest you can think of. And yet he gets away with calling himself a reformer. Now, 134 lobbyists are not lining up to support McCain because they actually believe he’s a reformer. If John McCain’s a reformer, I’m a Hassidic diamond merchant.

If Barack Obama can get every voter to learn just two numbers, he will be president. Those numbers are 91 and 134. If by Election Day every American knows McCain votes with Bush 91 percent of the time and has 134 lobbyists in his campaign, then the myth of the maverick reformer will be dead. And with it, McCain’s chances of following his unlikely soul mate as president.

Paul Begala is a political contributor to CNN

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

bondjedi wrote:

OBAMA FEAR-MONGERS RE: STABILITY OF OUR ECONOMY WHILE
SPENDING HIS DONORS' HISTORIC GIVING IN OBSCENELY LAVISH WAYS

McCain was saying necessary calming things when he said that the economy's fundamentals were strong, but the things he was saying were in fact true. Yesterday afternoon, Bloomberg came out and agreed with McCain's statement that the fundamentals of our economy are strong, and so have others.

All the real leaders were out yesterday making reassuring noises, which were true, by the way. Except Obama. Obama would rather go around hyping the fear and exaggerating the systemic seriousness of the problem. Only Obama was out yesterday shrilling fearful gloom-and-doom statements (that were exaggerations) hoping to capitalize on the Lehman bankruptcy to beat the bushes to drive up an economic-fear vote.

Finally, on the day that Obama releases an ad ridiculing John McCain's reassuring & accurate statement that the fundamentals of the economy are strong, and declaring that John McCain is wrong, that the economy is "broken", Obama is now flying off to feast and entertain with multimillionaires at a fundraiser with Barbera Streisand. Although Obama has raised breathtaking & historic campaign funds ($400 million so far?), he's also engaged in lavish and obscene spending. He spent $6 million alone to move his nomination acceptance speech to Mile-High stadium on that special-built temple-like stage. He's raised historic money, but he's also spent it in an unprecedented way. He needs every penny of the $10 million he's expected to make off his Hollywood backers tonight.

This is how a self-centered and narcissistic me-first politician wastes his donors' historic giving and then when he blows through that, goes out asking for more.

Wonder what he'd do if given the keys to the U.S Treasury and put in charge of the Internal Revenue Service and our economy.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

What we are talking here now looks like the 2008 election is already behind us! Therefore, I am beginning to wonder what it will look like when two women are competing for men in 2012. Should all men go hiding then?

Posted by: TigerLane, OH | September 16, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>Women who were Hillary supporters who switched over to become Palin supporters are exteremly stupid women. They are voting based on the sex of the person and not the idealogies,

Another childish Obamabot who still doesn't get it - and is still name calling.

Read my lipstick - Sarah Palin


Posted by: zazzlin | September 16, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Gallup says otherwise:

Gallup Analysis:
Despite the intense focus on the potential impact on white women of McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate, the Gallup data do not show that to this point white women have been significantly different in their response to the convention period than has the average voter.

Posted by: Schtu | September 16, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Unless Sarah Palin suddenly supports reading the same sex marriage book "King and King" to six year olds in elementary schools like Obama said he supports doing when asked in the New Hampshire Democratic primary debate she will sail on into the Vice President's mansion on Massachusetts Avenue.

This in spite of one hundred million in Obama Blomo media puff pieces each week leading up to the election on November 4.

November 5 at 2 AM is going to be sweet when the last two states click into the win column for Palin and put her and what's his name into the victory column.

As for Hillary? What should she do? Break out the good stuff. She will be sipping wine with a smile the same as I will and dreaming of 2012 all night long.

Posted by: Mike from Reno | September 16, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Hilary is losing one vote for every "Hilary '12" mention. From people like me, who care much more about some Democrat winning rather than which Democrat it is.

Posted by: mnjam | September 16, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

If I were Hillary and Bill, I'd do nothing for Obama until he apologized for race-baiting and FALSELY accusing them of making racist remarks.

But arrogant cretins don't apologize.

Posted by: Carla | September 16, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Hillary actually has reservations about the kind of person she knows Barack Obama to be. She knows him a hell of a lot better than any of us ever will.

And now half her people are backing Palin. So she can't really get into this. Obama really screwed the pooch when he picked Biden. That one incredibly dumb move is going to cost him this election. Which is probably best, considering Obama didn't have the diplomatic skills to navigate his own convention.

Posted by: Thirdrail | September 16, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Women who were Hillary supporters who switched over to become Palin supporters are exteremly stupid women. They are voting based on the sex of the person and not the idealogies, which are different as night and day for these two. These switch hitters are what give women a bad name. Pathetic. It is also pathetic that McCain is such a weak candidate that he had to reel in Caribou Barbie. Maybe even the stupid people will tire of her by Election Day.

Posted by: Jill | September 16, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

This is Your Nation on White Privilege

September 13, 2008, 2:01 pm

By Tim Wise

For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a “f*ckin’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll “kick their f*ckin' @ss,” and talk about how you like to “shoot sh!t” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”


White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.


White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.


White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.


White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.


White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”


White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.


White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.


White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.


White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a “light” burden.


And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain…


White privilege is, in short, the problem.

http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege

All Hillary has to do is repeat the above.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should be going full throttle for Obama telling the American public not to worry about bomb-throwing Bill Ayers, Fast Tony Rezko, the Most Reverend Wright, ACORN, Dick 'Turban' Durbin, and all the other sleazy Obama associates. They will have no role in an Obama administration. Rest assured. Seriously. I'm not kidding. Please believe me. Vote Obama.

Posted by: daman1 | September 16, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

He made the bed, let him sleep in it.

Hillary in '12 !! Yeah!!!

Vote McCain/Palin '08

Posted by: Keith | September 16, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else noticed that when Obama speaks and he delivers the punch line that the crowds start saying "right-on", "amen", and nonsense like that? To me it sounds like a laugh-track from that TV show, The Jeffersons.

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | September 16, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I just hope the young folks,black folks and folks of all walks of life show up to vote in huge numbers so the womens vote dont get mcworse elected.Hey black folks,young folks please vote so we dont have to endure another 4/8 yrs of economic disaster and wars without end.America really really needs your votes this time around and its you all that can put a democrat in the white house so dont let us down were counting on ya.

Posted by: sharon | September 16, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The first thing Hillary should do is to STOP SENDING ME E-MAILS ASKING ME TO REPAY HER FAILED CAMPAIGN DEBT.

Like, as with...the e-mail I received TODAY asking me for $$$ to repay the debt on her failed primary campaign. In exchange for this remuneration there'd be a (wow) meeting with HER. And for a payment of $250.00 there'd be a small, intimate meeting with her.


And IT DIDN'T STOP THERE.


LATER TODAY I get an e-mail from BILL...YUP...THE BILL. And he's asking me for money for his wife's failed primary campaign.

talk about chutzpah.


OK...now...TALK ABOUT MIXED MESSAGES!!!

Really, it's wrong to do this during a Presidential Campaign.

In fact to do this during the most important Presidential
Campaign of our lives is almost downright ...well, you fill in the word.

It's wrong for them to ask for one single dime.

Posted by: jatox | September 16, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>Aint you the guys who claimed she had Vince Foster murdered? Stole everything in the White House that wasn't nailed down?

No - that was Obamabots.

Posted by: Robert | September 16, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should tell Obama to go pound sand!

Posted by: J | September 16, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Asper"Girl", you announced to the blogosphere recently that you are "unoccupied" shall we say. That's why you can carpet-post racist, foolish sewage on multiple sites every day from 8am to 11pm.

Many of us who care, both of us, gave you some leads. The most promising was the opening for a fries consultant at Mickey Ds. You were to show up at 5am and talk to Fernando. You never showed. Like Ludacris in the movie "Crash," you embarrassed us; you embarrassed yourself.

We forgive you. Tomorrow, new opportunity: Pigsfeet boiler at Tyrone's Soul Patrol Shop on Crenshaw. Be there at 6:30 and talk to Clayette. Tell her the blogosphere sent you. Now go get 'em Asper"Girl" and boil those "feets" down.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

it doesn't matter what she does - mccain wins 300+ electoral votes in nov. boo hoo, libs!

Posted by: fred | September 16, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

there's nothing more disheartening than listening to some dems scheme for 2012, and it plays right into the hands of the right. they're not much more sensible than greens that way, willing to do an immense amount of harm for their ideals. hillary has more sense than they do, is campaigning on behalf of barack in ohio.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Richardson, Reich, almost everybody I can think of who owes their career to Bill Clinton not only neglected to endorse Hillary, they enthusiastically endorsed Obama at crucial times. And now everybody screams for Hillary to do more to help Obama. If he couldn't win on his own merits, why was he chosen? And why wasn't Hillary chosen for VP?

To my recollection, only James Carville stood by the Clintons. If other Democratic leaders had the guts, fight, smarts, and savvy that Carville has, I think the Dems would be in much better positions now.

Hillary has done plenty to campaign for Obama, still she is disrespected and criticized - and she's not even running! The endless Hillary-bashers in BOTH parties will not leave this amazing woman alone - what exactly has she EVER done to deserve this treatment other than in the twisted minds of the Republican attack machine? This Dem-turned-Indie PUMA is very very turned off to the Dem party right now, almost as much as I have always been turned off to the Repub party.


Posted by: David in Baltimore | September 16, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary ain't never been called a n****r!" - Rev. Wright, from the pulpit, Jan. 08

Posted by: zazzlin | September 16, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"Palin is correct - Hillary has shown much grace - and character."
Aint you the guys who claimed she had Vince Foster murdered? Stole everything in the White House that wasn't nailed down?
Didn't you claim SHE was a marxist at one point. Wasn't she also a sleeper agent for the Chinese or something? It's hard to remember, you guys make a lot of crazy unsubstantiated charges....
Glad to see you've decided she isn't a treasonous, larcenous, murderous, spy, your just ten years too late.

Posted by: dijetlo | September 16, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

When the going gets tough, the Republicans leave for Crawford, or Aspen. No worries there, as its a Democrat's job to save the country. Again.

The correlation between hard work and success is limited. Obviously, Obama is where he is because he worked hard and earned it. Bush and McCain are where they are because their fathers and grandfathers worked hard.

McCain has never even paid a bill in his life, so why should we trust him to protect our money? I don't think we need another silver spoon republican trying to run the economy. Just look at what happened under Bush: 56 million Americans who were middle class in 2000 are now out of work and considered below the poverty line. 23 million Americans who had health insurance in 2000 now do not.

McCain actually wrote the bills that caused this. Look it up! This is so basic that it hardly gets any attention. Obama is from a food stamps family, and federal assistance combined with his drive and natural ability helped him pull himself up by the boot straps. McCain was a bottom of the barrel student, mediocre officer, and quickly corrupted legislator. Had he not been born with high social status he would have never been able to land back asswards where he has.

Maybe you missed this. McCain owns at least seven houses and counting. It strikes me that these uber-rich Republican elitists who own so many houses are a real problem for the rest of us in that they drive up real estate values by gobbling up land and hoarding away homes. We wouldn't have had a banking meltdown if we hadn't had a subprime meltdown. We wouldn't have had a subprime meltdown if the average American had been able to afford a single home. The average American can't afford a single home because these chablis swilling country club loving Republican elites collect homes like the rest of us collect credit card bills.

Just so these crazy Bushies and McCainiacs don't pull the wool over your eyes on de-regulation ...

The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in the United States and included banking reforms, some of which were designed to control speculation. Some provisions such as Regulation Q that allowed the Federal Reserve to regulate interest rates in savings accounts were repealed by the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980. Other provisions which prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed in 1999 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Yes, that Gramm.

First repeal of the Glass-Steagall act allowed banks to determine what interest rates they could pay on savings, thus eliminating from our society sensible government oversight by the the Federal Reserve banks.

Second part repealed by the Gramm-Leahy act was that of the idea that a bank should be FORCED to not be able to invest in other forms of business. This was yet another portion of the bill aimed at preventing the government from protecting average Americans by maintaining a strong and balance economy by preventing companies over reaching.

The entirety of this bill is correctly attributed to our current sub-prime mortgage problem. This problem started on the banking side through de-regulation and led directly to predatory lending practices.

The Gramm-Leahy-Bliley act was signed into law by a Bill Clinton, who did not have the votes in Congress to prevent it.

It had positive economic results, allowing some finanacial companies to consolidate their resources and operate more efficiently, thereby saving money and increasing the value of their companies and increasing the value of the shareholders holdings in those companies.

Prior to the repeal of this law, foreign bankers held a financial edge against US banks because they were free to diversify their investments. Repealing this law allowed US banks to catch up with foreign banks and increase their value as a company. Again, increasing the value of their stocks to their stock-holders, but also removing necessary regulation to prevent predatory schemes.

Yes, it did allow companies the freedom to make good and or bad investments, just like any other company, but without necessary regulation to prevent abuse of the system.

The vast majority of banks are at risk, but are currently stable because they made wise investments. Some are not doing so well because they got caught up in too risky of deals, such as interest-only loans. They took a risk, they lost.

Buyers were duped into accepting these risk terms on their loans. That is the fault of predatory lenders.

Democrat president Bill Clinton had the option of veto-ing this bill but chose not to. He supported the bill and signed it into law in 1999 because the Republicans had the votes in Congress to ignore the veto.

One of the prime sponsors of the bill was this man, also a REPUBLICAN.
John McCain

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 16, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

John and Cindy McCain paid their respects to 9/11 victims last week, but Michelle was absent from the Sept. 11 ceremony supposedly because it was the Obama kids' FIRST WEEK of school - (private, tuition $15K).
But according to the Toledo Blade, Michelle spoke and campaigned for Obama at a religious conference in Ohio on Sept. 10.....

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080911/NEWS09/809110405

Don't look for this on Obamedia TV or press.

Posted by: Shanita | September 16, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The great thing about Sarah Palin is her youth and vitality. No matter what happens in this election, she will be a big thorn in the side of Democrats for the next 25 years or so. She pulls the rug out from under the whole left wing socialist mindset that encourages victimhood and dependence on government.

Posted by: Dave | September 16, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

bondjedi wrote:

The fact that Obama, as he claims, CAN'T see what is wrong with his lipstick & fish stink comments, is worse than if he did see what is wrong with them and apologized.

WE DON'T NEED AN INAPPROPRIATE GAFFE-MACHINE-COUPLE
AS HEAD OF STATE & FIRST LADY CAUSING
INTERNATIONAL INCIDENTS

LOW-CLASS CLUELESS GAFFES OF
"THE INAPPROPRIATE OBAMAS"

On McCain adding Sarah Palin to his ticket & calling that "change":
“Lipstick on a pig” & "it smells like an old fish"

To Hillary saying I'm not as charming as he is: "You're likable enough" (smirk)

"Hold on sweetie"

Dismissing Hillary w/3 am cell phone text message announcing Biden

For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country

America, my grandmother is a "Typical White Person"

Small town America: bitter and cling to religion and guns and antipathy toward people not like themselves

Surge was not a success (we lost the war)

Having an opinion about when a baby acquires rights: above my pay grade says "Constitutional Law Lecturer" Obama

Iran: a tiny country that cannot hurt us

I have visited 57 states in America

Behold the Obama Presidential Seal on my podium

I'll stop poverty, still rising seas, heal planet, redeem America from its ignorance

The Republicans will tell you not to vote for me because I don't look like the presidents on the dollar bills

The Republicans will tell you that I'm a Muslim

Americans: cynical, lazy, slobs, downright mean

Germans, I apologize for America

** Oh yeah, Head-of-State and First Lady material **

Michelle & Barack Obama may have spent a couple of years at Harvard decades ago, but they've spent the last 20 years sitting in the South Side Chicago Afrocentric-rant church of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Trinity Church, soaking up his political ideas about America & his social programming.

NOW THEY ARE TRASHY-GAFFE MACHINES

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

She should go back to street walking to payoff all the money she wasted! Short skirt and wide open blouse and a sack over her head would help!

Posted by: JohnDoe | September 16, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I cannot even begin to wonder-- C. Fiorina, McCain's top advisor, when asked in an interview today about Sarah Palin's abilities to run anything, specifically, the question was:

Q. Can Gv. Palin run Hewlett Packard?"

Ans. (Fiorina) "NO!"

What? If the top Republicans can't trust Palin with a Cooperation/ Firm/ Comapany, WHY on earth would they want us to believe Palin has the ability to RUN our country? The most powrful country on earth? Are these Republicans jokin? or have they gone mad?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

So was it "hubris" when Obama decided to run for President after 143 days in the Senate? Why does the news media think that Sara Palin displays "hubris" in accepting the VP nomination while Obama's run for President heralds "a new kind of politics?" Isn't that a huge double standard? Sarah Palin is the chief executive of a state - the most popular governor in the entire country. She has much more reason to feel confident than Obama, who has never served in the military, never run a business, and
has never governed a city or state.

Posted by: Dave | September 16, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I second Aspergirl. Here it goes ...

Obama's Double-Dealing Diplomacy
Click here to find out more!

INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Posted 9/16/2008

Election '08: Barack Obama premised his campaign on calling for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. But now he's been quietly telling Iraq "not so fast." It's part of a ... (more in the following link.)
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=306456935180750

Posted by: Angela, FL | September 16, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Immediately after the corrupt Dem Party handed the nomination to Obama, his bots claimed it was the only time in history a Black man beat a White woman and didn't go to jail.
A majority of Obamabots made it very clear they DID NOT want Hillary on the ticket.

But now that Obama's poll numbers are falling - Obamabots claim Hillary isn't doing enough for him.
BAWAAAAaaa!

Palin is correct - Hillary has shown much grace - and character.

Country First - NO Hussein!


Posted by: Robert | September 16, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't care for Obama or Hillary, but I the best chance for Obama to win would be for Biden to step down and have Obama make Hillary the VP pick. If they don't do that, I think they will lose.

Posted by: Karl | September 16, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants to know: "Where's all the white women at?"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

"Just because his butt was in the chair for 36 years doesn't mean he did anything useful."

The crime bill in the 90s.

Posted by: treelinedc | September 16, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse


Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 16, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton should only do as much as she needs to support Obama. She should not over do it. Especially, she should not attach Gov. Palin in any way.

Obama is heading down the road of defeat in November. Senator Clinton should start thinking about 2012.

Posted by: GY | September 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

AsperClown, you were never for HRC. You are for Palin, that notable admirer of all things ridiculous and bigoted.

Who besides Palin would quote the late over-the-top white supremacist Westbrook Pegler in her acceptance speech (a fact RFK Jr. brought to light on HuffPo today)?

What rational veep candidate pledges support for the agenda of Pat Buchanan, whose "views" the Anti-Defamation League devotes three full pages to on its web site?

Palin=AsperClown, AsperClown=Palin. Yeah, seems about right.
____

Hillary Clinton has already gone too far in saying that even if she's an exciting candidate, there's no reason to vote for Sarah Palin.

It's one thing she was subjected to so much sexism and marginalized, but to then for her to eat the "shut up and get on board" treatment and then turn around and herself, after being marginalized, be tapped as a partisan tool against other prominent women, is just despicable. How uncle Tom can you get! At least Uncle Tom didn't go around sabotaging other black leadership talent who sought that which he failed to fight for for himself.

If Hillary Clinton goes any farther in being turned into a partisan tool -- a exploiting her new role as a leadership gender icon -- for taking out other women, I will never support her again.

I wish I could get the money back that I donated to her "historic" campaign, if it was all about partisan democratic winning and nothing else.

I guess that what people said about the Clintons being soulless, calculating political animals was true. All that stuff about history was just a story line she exploited for her short-term benefit.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 9:01 PM

Posted by: Mud People | September 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

HRC should meet with Palin to get a total makeover. Sarah Palin is a MILF. Hillary Clinton is an ARF!

Posted by: Boing | September 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should just stay out of it imo, but if she or her supporters thinks she can win in 2012 they are dreaming she jumped head first into dirty politics against Obama and i for one would not even consider voting for her as many others wouldent she blew her chance by showing her ugly side and nothing she does now can change that.

Posted by: sharon | September 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons did so much damage to the Democrats; they have a lot to make up for...and they're not doing it.

Posted by: Julia | September 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I am seriously thinking about getting a couple guns for self protection just in case BO loses in November. Some people in America do not take much to set off in that direction.

Posted by: Andy, MI | September 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA PUSHES IRAQIS TO PUT OFF TROOP WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT UNTIL AFTER ELECTION

Obama's Double-Dealing Diplomacy

INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Editorial posted 9/16/2008

Election '08: Barack Obama premised his campaign on calling for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. But now he's been quietly telling Iraq "not so fast." It's part of a deceptive pattern.
Read More: Election 2008 | Iraq

Iraq's Foreign Minister Moshyar Zebari told the New York Post's Amir Taheri that Obama made delaying the troops' return a key theme of his talks with Iraqi leaders during his campaign stop in Baghdad last July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the U.S. elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari told Teheri, on the record.

more at: http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=306456935180750

Will the pro-Obama mainstream media ignore this, too?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"The democrats have no choice but to hit Palin and hit her hard."

What a load.

The Democrats ONLY CHOICE is to ignore Palin.

Posted by: treelinedc | September 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so Joe Biden
"has 36 years in the Senate, with chairmanships of the Judiciary and Foreign Relations Committees to name a few reasons why he is an expert."

OK, so what exactly has he accomplished? What has he done that shows he is an "expert?" Absolutely nothing!! Just because his butt was in the chair for 36 years doesn't mean he did anything useful. Joe Biden is a loser and a joke. Sarah Palin is the future, Joe Biden is the past.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Hillary ought to invite Palin to a conference with other women politicians to debate public policy. Palin would look really weak in a group of other female politicians, including other Republican women politicians.

Posted by: Bill | September 16, 2008 8:50 PM

GOOD POSSIBLE ANSWER..

It is time to say good riddance to hillary. I believe there is significance in the scene of the superdelegates streaming to Obama and putting Obama over the top.

--Anon

Here's what I don't get. Hillary is still SENATOR. What's so bad about that? In the Northeast, thank God, it's still possible to really make a mark by being a good, smart senator. It still means something. Heck, Obama could appoint her justice to the SC. What's so bad about that?? Hillary as an excellent senator to me IS meaningful and - yes, people - CAN have a dramatic effect on the country. Why does this count for nothing?

Posted by: treelinedc | September 16, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The democrats have no choice but to hit Palin and hit her hard. She's the one to whom republican voters and disaffected women are listening, not McCain. Who better than Hillary to launch that assault and not be labeled a sexist. Who better than Hillary to do a professional hatchet job on someone who is not qualified for the job, who lies incessantly and has some real character flaws (i.e., troopergate)

Posted by: Butch Dillon | September 16, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm rapidly losing respect for all democratic women, including Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 9:07 PM

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I already lost respect for any of them.

I wonder if all those whites that were rooting and still root for Obama are for real.

In any case, I am pretty sure 90% of them will vote for McCain at the end. Mark my words.

Posted by: eaglestrk | September 16, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain co-sponsored a bill in 2005 to regulate Fannie Mae and warned what would happen if bill did not pass. Dems blocked the bill including Obama

Then in 2005 John McCain co-sponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005.

The Bill was never passed. John McCain addressed the floor on May 26th, 2006. Here is an excerpt:

I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.

This bill was shot down by the Democrats and some Republicans in Congress.

John McCain fought two years ago to shield the American people from the crisis some of us are facing.

What was Barack’s vote??

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should step up to the plate. If she throws her party to the wolves for the sake of her own ambition, she will pay the price in 2008...

Posted by: Steve | September 16, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

(Obama wringing hands) What should Hillary do?
iow - how can I best USE her?
Nevermind that I race-baited throughout the primary and falsely accused Bill and Hillary of racism. You do what you have to do and it was the ONLY way I could get the AA vote from the wife of the "first Black president."
Apologize? ME?
Nahh....
Now, how can I best USE Hillary?


Dems for McCain/Palin!

Posted by: zazzlin | September 16, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Picture of Sarah and Patti Bielawski shaking hands after being entertained in the Governor's Mansion. (Aug 2008) Flashback Flip: Bielawski was a partner with Sarah's Gas Team Chief Mary Rutherford when they had a lobbying company, Jade North, which was the lobbying firm for Foothills (aka TransCanada). Took the pipeline contract from an American company and give it to a Candian one. The field she developed is guess who. Please she got a $125,000 lulu energy job and I know whose pocket she is in asking us to pray for a pipeline.

Posted by: Jimbo | September 16, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

What Obama should admitting is the miscalculations in choosing Biden.
Exercise the right of the unusual, the first of 1st's.
Since either would want nothing more than a Democratic Party win, use Biden's strengths as Secretary of State, and Hillary as the VP to recapture lost votes by groups vital for the most votes.
It's what a few of those around him are already wishing they would have done.
To err is human, to correct it Intelligent Recovery.
Like the first President of our country, and just like our Founding Father's who also lacked experience in what was created, do as they did, surround yourself by those who truly fill in the needs of the U.S. at all levels by those best suited for the jobs at hand.
Remember, just as George W. Bush was a mediocre, run-of-the-mill CEO in the private sector, for the most part (with some obvious exceptions) he was smart enough to surrounded himself with those suited for what he certainly had little or no strength or experience at.
And, keep in mind, "NO ONE" makes all the right or best decisions all of the time, whether they are in the private sector or in public office. No such infallible person exists in either area.
But all, in the event of poor judgment or decisions, have the right, ability, and chance to admit and correct where changes are needed for the good their true bosses, "We The People."

Posted by: Z | September 16, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama isn't losing the support of white women. That is a lie.

Posted by: mycyth | September 16, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Wait for Obama's implosion and then rescue the democratic party

Posted by: God Father | September 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

its all about the Ill never vote for the black 1

Posted by: choctaws | September 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 | September 16, 2008 9:01 PM

Is there any editorial control over this site? If so please see the comment referenced above. No need to repeat its ugliness.

Posted by: smallddem | September 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Dave
"Joe Biden is portrayed by the press as some sort of experienced expert"

**36 years in the Senate, with chairmanships of the Judiciary and Foreign Relations Committees to name a few reasons why he is an expert.

"but Sarah Palin's executive experience is ignored and overlooked."

Less than 2 years as governor and Mayor of a podunk town with one of the highest rates of Meth Amphetamine use in the country.

GeraldD
"the Democratic leadership had pulled all sorts of strings to make the American people believe that the economy is collapsing."

Who is in charge you blathering knucklehead? The Democrats have a 51 to 49 seat advantage in the senate. Which, if you knew anything, effectively means they don't have enough votes to approve legislation because 60 votes are needed to pass a law ... and the Democrats only achieved the majority in 2006 ... you complete, unbelievable ignoramus.

Neither one of you fools deserve the right to vote.

Posted by: AreUKiddingME | September 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

My girlfriends and I have switched our vote to McCain. We are excited at the prospect of a woman as VP!

Posted by: Suzy | September 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm rapidly losing respect for all democratic women, including Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama is like young Anakin Skywalker - His daddy left him and people better say they like him or else he'll get mad. Hillary is like Queen Padme Amidala - Obama is treating her very badly.

Posted by: Dave | September 16, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

What should Hillary do?
1. Iron 10 cotton shirts
2. Quit annoying Obama through fake insincere campaigning
3. Fetch a double expresso
4. Go on donut run
5. Go "caucus" with Rosie, Portia deRossi, and Bea Arthur
6. Ask each of your 18, er, 18 million supporters for one dollar to pay off your bogus debt and quit shaking down Obama for money
7. Tell the Harpies to stay off TV and tell them to go "caucus" with Bea Arthur
8. On second thought, forget 1-7, just go. Leave! Now!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand this apparent confusion:

Most White MALES --- especially the 50 and above, the least educated as well as the most wealthy --- are already in the GOD party, so I don't see why not White women as well?

It makes sense!

But even if the GOD party is comprised almost mainly of Whites --- of both men and women, both younger and elder --- the general AMERICAN DEMOGRAPHIC ain't trending that way, so it is a losing cause, if they think isolating themselves will win them political elections in the future.

With 50 years, non-Whites will become a general majority, and within 100 years, non-Whites will become an overwhelming number, so Whites can run but they can't hide!

When I saw the 93-95% highly enthusiastic but overwhelming Whites here in St. Paul during the GOD party, I sorta felt sadden for them. I know, they don't need me to, but I still did: the GOD is heading irretrievably away from Lincoln's GOP party.

During Lincoln's time, the GOP was the LIBERAL/progressive party, which fought tooth and nail against CONSERVATIVE Dixiecrats and Democrats, in both north and south, for the right of women and minorities.

It is now almost completely Whites. As the former GOP Senator Danforth said, 'tis because of rightwing Christian zealots have taken over the GOP party, making it into the GOD party.... It's sad to see what Lincoln's inclusive, liberal/progressive, and DIVERSE party became an over-90-percent White Christian party...

Posted by: Her Lao | September 16, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I like Hillary Clinton -- alot.

And, with 2-3 Supreme Court Justices hanging in the balance of this election, I would expect her to do what all real DEMOCRATS would do.

And that is do anything possible to help Obama win.

Posted by: Losercuda | September 16, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I like Hillary Clinton -- alot.

And, with 2-3 Supreme Court Justices hanging in the balance of this election, I would expect her to do what all real DEMOCRATS would do.

And that is do anything possible to help Obama win.

Posted by: Losercuda | September 16, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton ran a race-baiting campaign that appealed to many white women who have been complicit in America's legacy of slavery, lynching, Jim Crow laws, voter disenfranchisement, segregation and bigotry. All white women have not left behind the race hatred and white supremacy, and many white women, like many white men, will never vote for anyone who is not white. Obama cannot overcome these people.

Barack Obama will have to win with a slight majority of white women and allow those who support the old repbulican blowhard, numbskull, John McCain, to vote against their best interests.

Posted by: DCSage | September 16, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

She announced her support strongly enough and she's out their campaigning for him. People who want to predict political events from November 4th 2012 forget they can't accurately predict the events of Sept 17th 2008.
Hillary has very high negatives primarily from her years as the first lady. This presidential cycle, in particular the glowing support the Republican party threw her way when she was fighting a loosing battle with Obama, has gone a long way to change peoples perceptions of her.
If Obama doesn't win in 08, she seems well positione for 2012 with significant cross party appeal. The funny part is, she laregly has the Republicans to thank for it.

Posted by: dijetlo | September 16, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should ask bloggers to stop using her as a wedge issue and cover the serious issues which face the electorate.

Posted by: smallddem | September 16, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Dave | September 16, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"As Obama loses support of white women, Fixistas discuss role Hillary Clinton should play."
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Stop it, Chris.
Any white woman who would sink her own political party out of revenge is a white woman her political party would be better off without.
Personally, I don't know any white women that stupid, but it's a big country . . . .

Posted by: wardropper | September 16, 2008 8:54 PM

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If true then this country will go to hell courtesy of tens of millions stupid, vengeful and irrational white women.

Do I sound sexist?......hell yeah!!!!!

Posted by: eaglestrk | September 16, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has already gone too far in saying that even if she's an exciting candidate, there's no reason to vote for Sarah Palin.

It's one thing she was subjected to so much sexism and marginalized, but to then for her to eat the "shut up and get on board" treatment and then turn around and herself, after being marginalized, be tapped as a partisan tool against other prominent women, is just despicable. How uncle Tom can you get! At least Uncle Tom didn't go around sabotaging other black leadership talent who sought that which he failed to fight for for himself.

If Hillary Clinton goes any farther in being turned into a partisan tool -- a exploiting her new role as a leadership gender icon -- for taking out other women, I will never support her again.

I wish I could get the money back that I donated to her "historic" campaign, if it was all about partisan democratic winning and nothing else.

I guess that what people said about the Clintons being soulless, calculating political animals was true. All that stuff about history was just a story line she exploited for her short-term benefit.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I predict that the blacks will riot, loot, and kill in November if Obama loses. They really do not know how to act properly when situations like this arise.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 16, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

UH HILLARY IS OLD NEWS NOW PEOPLE .. TIME TO MOVE ON NOW .. COME ON LITTLE 5 YEAR OLDS MOVE ON .. COME ONE LET MOMMY TAKE YOUR HAND .. GEEZ!!

Posted by: DEBORAH | September 16, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

YEA GROW UP AND LIVE WITH YOUR PATHETIC OBAMA AS YOUR CANDIDATE - YOU WANTED HIM NOW YOU HAVE HIM - HE CAN'T EVEN HANDLE THE VP PICK PROPERLY WITHOUT COMPLETE PANIC AND CHANGING PLANS EVERY TWO DAYS.


OBAMA HAS CLEARLY SHOWN HE IS NOT READY TO LEAD THE COUNTRY.


OBAMA IS BARELY RUNNING HIS CAMPAIGN AT THIS POINT - THE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR AT LEAST 10 WEEKS NOW.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Double-Dealing Diplomacy
1 hour, 52 minutes ago (9-16-08)
Investor's Business Daily


Election '08: Barack Obama premised his campaign on calling for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. But now he's been quietly telling Iraq "not so fast." It's part of a deceptive pattern.


Election: Barack Obama, who premised his campaign on calling for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, has now been quietly telling Iraq "not so fast." It's part of a deceptive pattern.Iraq's Foreign Minister Moshyar Zebari told the New York Post's Amir Taheri that Obama made delaying the troops' return a key theme of his talks with Iraqi leaders during his campaign stop in Baghdad last July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the U.S. elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari told Teheri, on the record.

Funny, that's not what Obama told voters. He has made an immediate pullout the cornerstone of his campaign. Taheri's report signals the Democratic standard-bearer would manipulate the war's end for political advantage and is willing to deceive voters to do it.

This in itself is reprehensible. But his secret calls also leave U.S. troops unnecessarily in harm's way. It's the kind of foreign policy meddling that serves Obama's interests over the national interest.

"Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America," Taheri reported. "To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years."

Can Obama be trusted? We ask because he's shown a pattern of secretive double-dealing with voters, not just in his talking about small town voters one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco, as Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin pointed out, but particularly in foreign affairs.

It dates back to at least February, when Obama's economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, secretly told the Canadian embassy that Obama's demagoguery against NAFTA in the primaries was just a Styrofoam-pillar bid to win the Ohio vote.

Obama's pattern of deception continued. In March, Colombian troops raided a FARC terrorist camp in Ecuador and recovered a terrorist computer belonging to a top FARC warlord, Raul Reyes.

Computer e-mails revealed that someone who knew Obama's positions had secretly met with the terrorists and assured them Obama would cut U.S. military aid under Plan Colombia and veto its free trade pact. Both are major goals of the Marxist terrorists aligned with America's enemies.

Subsequent events confirmed this. Obama did come out in favor of shutting Colombia out of free trade. More disturbingly, Obama adviser Daniel Restrepo last week told Colombia's Radio Caracol that Obama planned to convert the military aid Colombia needs to crush terrorists into social aid programs that don't.

That's not the end of it. Now Obama is double-dealing with Iraqi officials to leave American troops in harm's way and prolong the appearance of war long enough to call it a failure and win votes.

The astonishing thing about Obama's deals is they're the very thing Democrats accused Republicans of without a shred of proof.

They accused Richard Nixon of making a secret deal with the North Vietnamese to prolong the Vietnam war enough to presumably win election in 1968.

Years later, in 1980, they accused Ronald Reagan of making a secret deal with Iranian terrorists holding U.S. diplomats hostage to win election over incumbent Jimmy Carter.

Neither of these claims, often repeated by leftist historians, has ever been proven. But the statement of Iraq's foreign minister, speaking to a leading writer on foreign policy, is considerably stronger as evidence. It signals that Obama places politics over the national interest to the extent that he would work against his own public positions to gull voters into electing him.

It's the absolute opposite of John McCain's courageous position supporting the surge in Iraq, even as politicos were warning him he'd lose the election for it. "I'd rather lose an election than lose a war," McCain said.

With Obama's promises to sit down with dictators in Venezuela, Cuba, Syria and Iran, voters have a right to ask if he's made any deals at odds with his public condemnations of them, too. Before he starts acting like president, he needs to come clean to voters and reveal his true positions. Whatever they are, voters have a right to know.


Posted by: Scott | September 16, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"As Obama loses support of white women, Fixistas discuss role Hillary Clinton should play."
. - . - . - . - .
Stop it, Chris.
Any white woman who would sink her own political party out of revenge is a white woman her political party would be better off without.
Personally, I don't know any white women that stupid, but it's a big country . . . .

Posted by: wardropper | September 16, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The whole mystique of hillary being the first woman has been taken by Sarah Palin who is a lovable and adorable figure compared to hillary.


Sorry to hillary however she has been a bad influence within the democratic party the since 1993.


It is time to say good riddance to hillary. I believe there is significance in the scene of the superdelegates streaming to Obama and putting Obama over the top.


For the clintons to be beaten by the superdelegates, the party structure is telling.


It shows that hillary is finished - no one wants her around - she will find it extremely difficult to come up with the level of support she did last time when she was the presumptive nominee for a quite some time. Even during that time hillary found it difficult to break 50% support levels which showed that there was a way to beat her.


She has been beaten.


She is gone. Let's just forget about her and allow her to retire to her lesbian village somewhere.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Saturday night live skit state what the perceived contrast is best? Palin is a lightweight who, yet again, has to be sequestered away from the press because she's not ready for prime time.

I don't think it's up to Hillary solely to refute Palin's views and record. Plus, isn't the conventional wisdom that Palin really only attracts the Republican base and perhaps some independent women?

I think the press should continue that Palin do interviews and harshly question why she refuses to.

Obama's poll numbers seem to be slowly bouncing back. It will be interesting to see if these numbers stick or not.

Posted by: j4hr | September 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

What should Hillary do? Never in my lifetime have I seen commentators ask what the losing candidate should do to help the winner. What should Edwards do to lure "working class white people"? What should Dodd do to lure older white people? Apparently nothing. Only Clinton has something to do. A woman's work is never done, I guess....The sad thing is Democrats said she was not even worthy of positive press. Now, people want her to campaign for Obama as if she were on the ticket. Grow up and live with your PATHETIC candidate.

Posted by: Angry Black Democrat | September 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary ought to invite Palin to a conference with other women politicians to debate public policy. Palin would look really weak in a group of other female politicians, including other Republican women politicians.

Posted by: Bill | September 16, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary could help. Bill could help more, especially in places like Florida, where folks keep getting false push-polls, and being inundated with lying ads.

They both should explain -- as they have not so far -- that McCain is a man without honor who intends to continue all the losing policies that have eviscerated this country over the past 7 1/2 years.

Neither of them need to both with the twit from Alaska. She'll self-immolate.

Posted by: Helen | September 16, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain this to me: Darth Vader could sense the Force in Luke Skywalker from miles away because Luke was his son. However, Princess Leia was his daughter, and he never sensed the Force in her, even though he was standing right next to her in Episode IV. What gives? I see an analogy here in modern politics - Joe Biden is portrayed by the press as some sort of experienced expert, but Sarah Palin's executive experience is ignored and overlooked. Barack Obama = Darth Vader. John McCain = Obi Wan Kenobi. Sarah Palin = Princess Leia. The good guys are Republicans. The bad guys are democrats. I'm voting McCain/Palin 2008/2012. Palin/Romney 2016/2020.

Posted by: Dave | September 16, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Many of the problems our economy faces have been brought on by high oil and high gasoline prices. For the past 2 years, the Democratic leadership, including Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama had pulled all sorts of strings to make the American people believe that the economy is collapsing. They have not passed up any opportunity to hurt the economy in order to make their point. Refusing to take common sense steps to keep oil and gasoline prices low is just one thing the Democratically controlled Congress has done to hurt the economy. We are now sending several billion dollars each and every day overseas. Our money is employing foreign workers to drill, pump, refine, and transport oil, instead of employing American workers to do those same jobs. Who in their right mind would question the impact this currency drain is having? Higher gas prices make it more difficult to meet one's home mortgage payments. And defaulting on Mortgages in part has brought on the current crisis. So should some of the fault of our current Wall Street Crisis be laid at the feet of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and their other liberal Democratic friends? Without a doubt it should!

Posted by: GeraldD | September 16, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Amen, "2centsworth."

Why are we still talking about her? She doesn't get it and never will.

Do you see Huckabee running around bad-mouthing Mac. Do you see groups of Huckabee-bees running around acting out and hollering about how they will vote for O in November as the Hillarians do?

Do you see Romney surrogates on the bloviator shows trashing Mac? Does Thompson refuse to meaningfully campaign for Mac, or demand Mac pay off his campaign debt, or tell his money people not to give to Mac?

Did any of them attack Mac personally in the race or claim Mac was unqualified to be president? Did any refuse to leave the race after they had mathematically lost for the sole purpose of damaging Mac in the general election? Did any get on TV and openly hope for "something bad" to happen to Mac that would allow them to win the nomination? How sick is that??? "No" to each question.

Huckabee, Romney, and Thompson, none of whom like Mac, are all on board for Mac, ready to campaign or show up on any cable bloviator show on a moment's notice for Mr. Mac. Why? Because they are team players not performance artists.

HRC, forget campaigning for O (if that's what you call what you're doing now). Leave the stage. Take the harpies with you. Just leave a check to repair all the damage you caused.
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People question why Hilary should support Obama. Two (2) Simple reasons,

1. If she had won she would have needed him to bring home the black votes. Democrats have not won an election in recent history w/o significant black vote turn out.
2. The Republicans are taking advantage of a situation that she and her supporters help created with a protracted nomination process and griping about stealing election. Palin understands it. She called Hilary a whiner before he nomination and is now singing her praise hoping that Hilary will not be fully behind Obama.


Look at the Republicans all the losers(from the nomination) are helping McCain. Even the ones who were insulted about being side stepped for a woman who is not qualified. (It is funny they are for the 1st time understanding what women go through everyday).

Only the democratic party can start and election cycle where even if the picked a pig they would have won and now in a position of worrying about loosing. A year ago either candidate would be almost a sure thing. The problem is after a protracted fight both would be in the position Obama is now.

If Hillary had won the Republican's would have picked a black man, or better yet a black woman to run against her.

I admire republican's. Even if they did not get their person they would not be actively campaigning for the other team. They may not be enthusiastic but they would not vote for the other side knowing that, the person on the other end does not represent them.

I also admire that they are the only party who can put a totally unqualified candidate and convince you otherwise and do it over and over again. Its like the fool who keeps player against the three card man, convince that this time he will win.

I started this election cycle with questions about Obama's qualification, while campaigning for Hilary(Actually I started in 2000 and was hoping she would have ran in 2004 instead of that fool Kerry.) Obama did not win the primary, Hilary lost it when she hired people who did not understand the process, and failed to be prepared. The nomination showed that even though she was experienced and a fighter you do not always get it right the first time.

Obama showed in the last two(2) years that he can read the rule book, prepare himself and play by the rules and win. He also shows that he can inspire people.

I do not need a president that can solve my problems. I need one the can create the environment for me to solve it myself and to inspire my fellow country man to at least try.

Posted by: 2centsworth | September 16, 2008 8:25 PM

Posted by: Why? | September 16, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse


NEWSWEEK, Palin goes from most popular to least popular in three days. It looks like the novelty is waring off already. This may be one of the fastest "Flash in the pans in history"
Move over Taylor Hicks.

The polls reflected the early success of her strategy. In the three days after Palin joined Team McCain--Aug. 29-31--32 percent of voters told the pollsters at Diageo/Hotline that they had a favorable opinion of her; most (48 percent) didn't know enough to say. By Sept. 4, however, 43 percent of Diageo/Hotline respondents approved of Palin with only 25 percent disapproving--an 18-point split. Apparently, voters were liking what they were hearing. Four days later, Palin's approval rating had climbed to 47 percent (+17), and by Sept. 13 it had hit 52 percent. The gap at that point between her favorable and unfavorable numbers--22 percent--was larger than either McCain's (+20) or Obama's (+13).

But then a funny thing happened: Palin lost some of her luster. Since Sept. 13, Palin's unfavorables have climbed from 30 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, her favorables have slipped from 52 percent to 48 percent. That's a three-day net swing of -10 points, and it leaves her in the Sept. 15 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll tied for the smallest favorability split (+12) of any of the Final Four. Over the course of a single weekend, in other words, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.

What happened? I'd argue that Palin's considerable novelty is starting to wear off. In part it's the result of a steady stream of unhelpful stories: her unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine during last Thursday's interview with Charles Gibson (video above); her refusal to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation; her repeated stretching of the truth on everything from earmarks to the Bridge to Nowhere to the amount of energy her state produces. That stuff has a way of inspiring disapproval and eroding one's support. (Interestingly, Palin's preparedness numbers--about 50 percent yes, 45 percent no--haven't budged.) But mostly it's the start of an inevitable process. Between now and Nov. 4, voters will stop seeing Palin as a fascinating story and starting taking her measure as an actual candidate for office. Some will approve; some won't. It remains to be seen whether Palin's recent slide will continue, or hurt John McCain in the polls. But it's hard to argue that the journey from intriguing new superstar to earthbound politician--a necessary part of the process--doesn't involve a loss of altitude.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I supported Senator Clinton; I am not an enthusiastic fan of Senator Obama. But the alternative is unthinkable: an aging, less than mediocre, now thoroughly conservative Senator McCain whose has betrayed his country and his alleged patriotism by selecting a clueless woman as vice-presidential candidate.
The Obama campaign and the liberal media got together to defeat Senator Clinton in the primary race for president.
Nevertheless, in view of the stunning gains of the McCain/Palin neo-populist ticket, Senator Clinton should shift into a more aggressive mode against McCain and, more important, against Palin. She is the former mayor of a less than 10,000 population suburb and the governor of a state with a population of less than 700,000--the latter is less than half of the borough of Manhattan, less than half of the county I live in.

Unfortunately, I fear that a duped electorate will vote for the Palin/McCain ticket in the illusion that she is a rank and file representative of the people. Never mind her tanning bed and her selected amenities in the governor's digs.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

TARGETING OF AMERICAN CITIZENS BY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES:

A ROOT CAUSE OF THE MORTGAGE / CREDIT / WALL ST. MELTDOWN?

Victims of so-called "organized gang stalking" claim that multiple government agencies, including intelligence, law enforcement, and revenue collection agencies, have established a network of secret, extra-legal programs aimed at destroying the financial well-being of "targeted" individuals -- who are denied due process of law as their financial resources are systematically confiscated from them.

These programs allegedly involve the interception of mail; surveillance, interception and alteration of telecommunications, including telephone and internet communications; fabrication of bank, credit card, mortgage and billing statements; surreptitious manipulation of personal and business bank and mortgage accounts. This system apparently is an outgrowth of past controversial government programs such as Cointelpro and "Total Information Awareness."

In effect, a secret parallel system of transaction processing has been established for these persons, a system allegedly intended to destroy their capacity to earn a living and to support themselves and their families. These "mechanics of personal destruction" closely resemble the tactics employed by Nazi Germany in its campaign against the Jews and other targeted groups.

Victims charge that these programs also are designed to degrade their physical health, with health care professionals pressured by undercover agents to cooperate. Citizen vigilantes affiliated with government-funded community policing and "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate targeted persons, victims charge. These vigilantes are equipped with high-tech instruments capable of causing adverse health effects, victims have alleged.

Officials in the private sector know about some of these programs, it is alleged, since their cooperation is required to effect confiscatory transactions. Victims charge that the government is using national security and the "war on terror" as a pretext to secure the cooperation of corporations and businesses. But it is also possible that civilian overseers have been kept in the dark about the most nefarious of these programs.

The government takeover of more than half of the nation's mortgage market, and government supervision of failed investment houses such as Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros. help effectuate these programs of personal destruction, according to some of those who have been targeted.

These programs apparently have existed in one form or another for many years, but have become codified under the banner of the "war on terror" since the 9/11 terrorist attacks seven years ago, victims charge.

Victims of these "programs of personal destruction" are calling upon Congress to immediately convene hearings on these alleged unconstitutional, extra-legal abuses of power, which they say represent a great crime against humanity and a descent into a neo-fascist police state.

A mainstream media journalist who counts himself among the victims of these programs has written several articles on the subject of domestic terrorism and extra-legal targeting of American citizens:

TO: Mssrs. CHERTOFF, MUKASEY, PAULSON, GATES, McCONNELL, MUELLER

"GOV'T AGENCIES SUPPORT DOMESTIC TERRORISM"
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/government-agencies-support-domestic-torture-and-gang-stalking-says-noted-nowpublic-com-columnist
Gentlemen: What do you know about this, and what are you doing about it?


Posted by: scrivener | September 16, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

People question why Hilary should support Obama. Two (2) Simple reasons,

1. If she had won she would have needed him to bring home the black votes. Democrats have not won an election in recent history w/o significant black vote turn out.
2. The Republicans are taking advantage of a situation that she and her supporters help created with a protracted nomination process and griping about stealing election. Palin understands it. She called Hilary a whiner before he nomination and is now singing her praise hoping that Hilary will not be fully behind Obama.


Look at the Republicans all the losers(from the nomination) are helping McCain. Even the ones who were insulted about being side stepped for a woman who is not qualified. (It is funny they are for the 1st time understanding what women go through everyday).

Only the democratic party can start and election cycle where even if the picked a pig they would have won and now in a position of worrying about loosing. A year ago either candidate would be almost a sure thing. The problem is after a protracted fight both would be in the position Obama is now.

If Hillary had won the Republican's would have picked a black man, or better yet a black woman to run against her.

I admire republican's. Even if they did not get their person they would not be actively campaigning for the other team. They may not be enthusiastic but they would not vote for the other side knowing that, the person on the other end does not represent them.

I also admire that they are the only party who can put a totally unqualified candidate and convince you otherwise and do it over and over again. Its like the fool who keeps player against the three card man, convince that this time he will win.

I started this election cycle with questions about Obama's qualification, while campaigning for Hilary(Actually I started in 2000 and was hoping she would have ran in 2004 instead of that fool Kerry.) Obama did not win the primary, Hilary lost it when she hired people who did not understand the process, and failed to be prepared. The nomination showed that even though she was experienced and a fighter you do not always get it right the first time.

Obama showed in the last two(2) years that he can read the rule book, prepare himself and play by the rules and win. He also shows that he can inspire people.

I do not need a president that can solve my problems. I need one the can create the environment for me to solve it myself and to inspire my fellow country man to at least try.

Posted by: 2centsworth | September 16, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Re-dux, re-re-dux??? Why are we still talking about the Head of the Harpies???
Enshrine the whine???

She lost months ago. She said she'd campaign for O but, as Maureen Dowd often hints at, she is really campaigning against him. Still shaking him down to pay off her debt instead of asking for each of 18 million supporter to donate one dollar. She had a chance to redeem herself, after countless sins against Obama, by challenging Palin but said she'd pass on that. Her passel of mentals and harpies at this late date still appear on bloviator shows taking pot-shots at O.

And all this based on some wrong-headed theory that if O loses she will be able to come back as the White Warrior in 2012? Never mind that every legitimate analyst has concluded any future HRC shot at the presidency absolutely requires that O win now. But she doesn't get it. If he loses, she loses forever -- she already has about 10 percent approval in the AA community, who, aside from the Uncle Bens, blames her for the closeness of the current O-Mac race.

Don't get us wrong. We wish her the best. Truly. We hope that one day she and the lost tribe of Hilliarians will go into exile in Borneo or Kenya subsisting on nuts and pants suit juice (as one poster predicted). Maybe she can go native there with "Mrs." Billie Jean King, Mary Carillo, Martina Navratilova, and Diana Nyad, uh, work it out, and live happily ever after. All the best...

Posted by: Why? | September 16, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I like that post which says 'Obama trashed Hillary' - what, with those fake Muslim rumors and that 3am phone call and 'Shame on you!'? Oh-no-no-no-no! That was her! Nice attempt to rewrite history.

Posted by: Baby Fix | September 16, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey, how come 37th&OStreet and Asspergirl didn't get their Wag the Blog entries picked? Granted, their wing nut posts were sub-standard, repetitive, cut and paste jobs, but you have to admit that quantity has a quality all its own.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 16, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

i hope october bring back the best of Rev. Wright...where have they locked him up lately??? probably next to farrakan, jessie jackson etc...

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

i agree with the muslim post....

What part of his middle name HUSSIEN is irish catholic????? --none, its an arabic name
truly the enemy within has infilterated

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary does not step it up, and Obama loses, she can forget about 2012.

I have more, including the clip of the SNL Palin/Clinto parody, at:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/wherefore-art-thou-hillary.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 16, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

HILL-

STOP LETTING MEN USE YOU !!!!!!!!!!!

(bill now obama)

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

@ Of course, Obama is not a Muslim, and Islam is not bad.
No? What work are YOU living in?

Posted by: Joe Public | September 16, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

2012??? Ummmm 2008 is whats important unless somebody has a time machine out there... This is the worst economic crisis since the great depression. I guess people wont wake up until they are sleeping on park benches.

Posted by: erik | September 16, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is by far more qualified then either of the two now running today. Her best move is to go through the motions with Hussein while keeping a distance. Should he win, he will be another Jimmy Carter, one termed. Then in 2012 she will have it almost by acclimation.
The worst thing she can do is get to associated with Hussein.

Posted by: starryperdun | September 16, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to avoid criticizing Palin. "After all, 2012 could very well be Palin vs Hillary in the Presidential Campaign Race....whoa!"

That one wouldn't even be close. Won't ever happen, anyway.

Posted by: treelinedc | September 16, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY- My family supported your campaign 'a lot' the least you can do is NOT HELP OBAMA--we believed what you said about HIM....
and still do.....

fighting against Palin will make you look petty....

DO not LET MEN ALWAYS TELL YOU WHAT TO DO!!!

AND STOP LETTING MEN USE YOU!!!! (bill now obama)

Posted by: MN | September 16, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin said things that need answering and laid herself open to criticism in so doing. She is so outdated as is McCain that much needs to be said to be of service to all women. Their reform is to go back to the distant past. They have no future ideas.

Posted by: Abbe | September 16, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Clinton showed how her emotions and ego clouded her judgment and made horrible and crucial decisions during the primary. That's why she was in debt 22 million when she "suspended" her campaign. She crossed her arms sat in the corner and pouted publicly. Ever see someone to quit while they still had their integrity, proved they were still a legitimate professional. Well she must have missed that day in class, no wonder why the Republicans win, half the democrats are a bunch of babies. She was her own worst enemy and that's somebody I don't care to see in the white house, she should redeem herself for her own good and prove she is a professional.

Posted by: erik | September 16, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The Obama camp is such a whiny bunch. What with all those, "When Clinton is campaigning, she's not campaigning hard enough", "When she's not campaigning, she's just a sore loser", etc etc.

Obama should have been his own man, having clinched the nomination, shouldn't he? Now that his star is fading, his cronies would complain that people are not giving him enough help?

Obama can run on empty rhetoric and charm for only so far. He should be thankful he's been gliding on water for this long. I'm glad Palin is stealing the show.

As to Wall St turmoil, the only thing that Obama can serve up is, "we don't need another 8 years", or "I told you so"? At least McCain is offering his potion of help (more regs on Wall St). What does Obama really have to offer, if at all?

No doubt Obama is running a new kind of politics: the politics of nothingness.

Posted by: tiddle | September 16, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

HRC wouldn't have campaign debt to pay off if she hadn't dragged on her campaign in a war of purely spiteful attrition against Obama. He owes her nothing.

Remember the 60 Minutes interview she did, in which she would not state that Obama is not a Muslim? That was shameful, base identity politics at their worst. With one awkward statement she managed to mislead a xenophobic portion of the electorate that Obama is a Muslim while legitimizing this same xenophobia by implying that being a Muslim is bad. Of course, Obama is not a Muslim, and Islam is not bad.

Honestly, who has done more damage to Obama than Hillary has? It is shameful. I voted for her on Super Tuesday, and she has done nothing but make me regret that decision ever since.

Posted by: Mary B | September 16, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

HILLBILLERY, needs to get the **** out of politics & STAY out!!!!! As a matter of fact, ALL the Clintons need too!!!!

Posted by: Politically Incorrect | September 16, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

You people can't count. If the Oman wins, Hil don't have a shot until 2016 when SHE will be the 72 year old lipsticked piggy. Her day is done.

Posted by: JoePublic | September 16, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to avoid criticizing Palin. After all, 2012 could very well be Palin vs Hillary in the Presidential Campaign Race....whoa!

Posted by: The Future? | September 16, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY-DO NOTHING !!! STAND UP ON YOUR OWN TWO FEET.....HOW SLEAZY OBAMA NEEDS YOUR HELP NOW......

YOU WILL WIN IN 2012 BY STAYING A-W-A-Y NOW.

Posted by: mn | September 16, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Obviously Obama needs Hillary more than she needs him...

Posted by: Reality Check | September 16, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"McCain policies are just a continuation of the Bush policies" - If you repeat something long enough Minor Birds will say it, even though they only have a bird brain. Likewise Democrats think it shows wisdom, but only shows they cannot think or for themselves, but have to ramble a "cliche" over and over and over. "Cliche" definition: An expression so often used that its original power has been drained away, such as "dead as a doornail."

Posted by: John Locke | September 16, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Well much of the media vetting is taking care of a lot of this, so I am not sure if it will remain the screaming inflammation it has been.

Scrivener -- At the most, Hillary should damn Palin with faint praise and some veiled but polite sarcasm. She also should continue to subtly remind people that Palin's no Hillary.

I agree with your first point, but not your second. As a female who is 5 months younger than Ms Palin (and who will vote for Obama) I can say that Hillary never really inspired me. There was a definite likability factor there. And I 'm sure she's just as warm as can be once you get to know her. But you gotta play on TV. And well, she didn't.

'
"but it is sure as heck is chutzpah to expect it"
Who expects it Leichtman?

Posted by: treelinedc | September 16, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh - I totally agree. Hillary supporters would be more pro Obama --if Obama helped Hillary with that campaign debt -- but the facts are: >> Obama trashed Hillary in the primaries, & afterwards he did not graciously help with her campaign debt -- and now Obama really NEEDS Hillary --- hmmm-- how about he help her out a bit, and then her followers can see he is sincere...????

Posted by: Show me the $$$ | September 16, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

HRC wouldn't have campaign debt to pay off if she hadn't dragged on her campaign in a war of purely spiteful attrition against Obama. He owes her nothing.

Posted by: Mary B | September 16, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm SURE Obama would gather more Hillary supporters-- if he helped paid off Hillary's still outstanding campaign debt....

Posted by: Pay Up and get loyalty | September 16, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

She won't be forgiven in 2012...

Posted by: freeDom | September 16, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, btw, 'The Fix', you suck big time!!

Posted by: Baby Fix | September 16, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, Hillary has some issues which make it difficult for her to campaign properly for Obama. Her surrogates like McAuliffe and Wolfson might be better, and Bill of course. Just keep Mark Penn away!

Posted by: Baby Fix | September 16, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

HRC needs to get with the picture and realize this is about the future of our country, and not about her career. If she thinks the country can handle four years of McCain to give her another clear shot at running four years from now, then she is demonstrating a mind boggling lack of judgement.

A rising tide lifts all ships... but the invisible hand of the market swamps an ungodly number of them in the process. Unfettered laissez-faire economic theory is one of the foundations of our modern global market, but we have never been willing to go with it 100% because it destroys lives. Laissez-faire creates money, and there is no question about that. But simple people in small towns go to the voting booth to stabilize their way of life. An economy based on most of the principals of laissez-faire with regulation thrown in to mitigate instability is what allows business and citizen to cohabitate in an open society like ours. This combination allows both innovation and protection. Going hardcore protectionist just stifles innovation (look at healthcare in social welfare countries), while lurching the other way in favor of hyperinnovation simply leads to social instability in favor of corporate profit (look at China). So there is my ten cents. Oh, and another thing...

Here's the central issue of the campaign: Media inattention to the real issues. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who only picked Palin because she appears young and pretty (to someone his age). You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife after she was disabled in a car wreck. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife for a super wealthy fembot. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who cheated on his wife after she waited for him while imprisoned in Vietnam.

While reading that, and getting fired up, McCain and Bush were shaking in their boots about this election. They've been called on the carpet as the pigs they are. They'll be out in the cold come November.

Pigs in a blanket.

Game over Repugnantcans. You're time here is done. Thanks for the memories, but it is time to step aside and let us adults take over and fix what you broke.

Posted by: Mary B | September 16, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

The question is behind the curve. The focus is shifting to McCain, as we can see in today's events. Therefore, she has to support Obama if she wants a chance in 2012. Otherwise, she will be seen as against the ideals that she has been standing for all of her life, and aligning herself with McCain's opportunist policy.

Posted by: Marie Stewart | September 16, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

HIL'S TONE IS FINE, BUT SHE NEEDS TO GET OUT THERE MORE.

IF SHE'S HOLDING BACK HER SERVICES, SHE'S HURTING THE DEMS

The Obama campaign should answer the Palin Effect in their ads. Hillary's playing it just right -- it's not about the vice president, it's about McCain versus Obama and who is best suited to turn the country around.

But if she's holding back her efforts hoping Obama will lose, that's very foolish. Who knows what kind of country it will be in 2012? As goes the saying, "We can't afford to wait."

At the most, Hillary should damn Palin with faint praise and some veiled but polite sarcasm. She also should continue to subtly remind people that Palin's no Hillary.

But that's not to say that the Obama camp shouldn't be aggressive in answering Palin and pointing out her hypocrisy and falsehoods. Where are the ads? Call the the 527s if they won't do it themselves... The GOP certainly isn't holding back on their end...

http://nowpublic.com/world/ny-times-fillets-sarah-barracuda-now-will-obama-bite-back-get-political-w-vic-livingston

Posted by: scrivener | September 16, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary needs to speak up now and she needs to be loud & clear about it. Otherwise, the Dems will lose this election..." --Don"

Just as most HC supporters always suspected. For months she and Bill were called racist by Obama supporters and now expected by those same folks here to do the heavy lifting to carry Obama over the threshhold to victory. There is no question that HC has the integrity to do everything she can possibly do for the welfare of our nation, because there is absolutely so much at stake, but it is sure as heck is chutzpah to expect it after the way she and her family have been treated. Her efforts will be totally ignored if he should win a narrow victory in November.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 16, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

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