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Hillary Clinton

As polls show a significant swing in the support of white women toward McCain-Palin, Democrats need to decide the best campaign role for Hillary Rodham Clinton. (AP Photo/Orlando Sentinel, Joe Burbank)

The most striking development in the new Washington Post/ABC News national poll, which showed Barack Obama and John McCain in a statistical dead heat in this fall presidential contest, was the major movement among white women to the Arizona Republican.

As the Post's Dan Balz and Jon Cohen write: "Much of the shift toward McCain stems from gains among white women, voters his team hoped to sway with the pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential candidate. White women shifted from an eight-point pre-convention edge for Obama to a 12-point McCain advantage now."

A 20-point swing in the space of less than a month -- the last Post poll was concluded on Aug. 22 -- is a major development in the race and one that must be attributed -- at least in large part -- to McCain's decision to pick Palin as his running mate.

(It's worth noting that in 2004 President George W. Bush carried white women 55 percent to 44 percent over Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry; in 2000 Bush won white women far more narrowly -- 49 percent to 48 percent -- over then Vice President Al Gore.)

The erosion in Obama's support among white women is sure to spark a debate about how he can get those voters back, a debate that will certainly begin (and may well end) with a discussion of the role Hillary Rodham Clinton will and should play in her one-time rival's campaign.

Clinton, who has pledged to do whatever it takes to elect Obama, was on the campaign trail in Florida yesterday. While she offered praise for Palin's selection, ("It's a historic achievement and it is certainly worthy of congratulations to the Republicans."), Clinton emphasized clearly where her loyalties in the race remain. "To slightly amend my comments from Denver: No way, no how, no McCain, no Palin," she said.

Howard Wolfson, a former senior adviser to Clinton's presidential campaign and now the author of "The Flack" blog at the New Republic, penned an item over the weekend that argued that his former boss won't -- and shouldn't go negative on Palin.

"It's not in Hillary Clinton's interest, and its certainly not in the interest of Barack Obama and the Democratic party," Wolfson wrote. He added that Clinton is better as a positive surrogate for Obama than a negative hit woman on Palin and noted: "Every day we are focused on Palin is a day we are not amplifying the Obama campaign's message that Senator McCain simply represents four more years of President Bush."

For today's Wag the Blog question, we want to hear from you about what role Clinton should play for Obama over the final eight weeks of the presidential race. And, as importantly, why and to what end? The best comments will be featured in their own post later this week.

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By Chris Cillizza  |  September 10, 2008; 9:30 AM ET
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God help us if she tries to run for any office in this country.

Posted by: Margare | September 17, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

There is NO united front for the DEMs.
The primarys were a joke--splitting the delegates FOREVER...while the adult party Republicans had a nominee months in advance.
PUMA on board and here to stay
The dems have chosen the only liberal who is UNELECTABLE

Posted by: mn | September 17, 2008 4:27 AM | Report abuse

John McCain is a gambling man. It has been said he likes to go to Las Vegas and play roulette. His interest in gambling has been credited for why he decide to take a gamble and pick Sarah Palin a nationally unknown governor from Alaska. The gamble was to energize the base with the Palin pick and draw off some of the independents who supported Hillary during the primary.

The thing about Palin is people who can use google were able to learn all about Palin with in 2 or 3 days of the annoucement of McCain's Gamble. All the controversies, her family, the election results from her 2006 election (she won 114,000 votes and 123,000 voters voted for someone else). we even were able to read on an alaskan newspaper all her pet slogans, hockey mom, bull dog, lipstick, ebay plane. etc. There is less there than meets the eye.

So what does gambling mverick man McCain do? He bluffs! Bluffing is a form of lying that gamblers playing poker with a weak hand do in hopes they can con his opponent into thinking he has a better hand than he really does. Yes John McCain keeps his poker face and lies about Palin and her record. What else can he do? Palin can't go out there and campaign on her own because she would lose all credibility with most voters in a week.

So what does John do? He keeps his Palin card covered as much as possible and he bluffs. Thing is the people he is bluffing are his conservative base and the people he wants to vote for him. What is working in his favor is the social conservative base is living inside a bubble of denial about their involvement in creating the failure of a president -Governor GW Bush from Texas. What is wrong with Washington is the GOP has populated washington with many sarah palins who have been running the county since 2001.

The Palins in politics are the problem with the Nation. The conservative base prefers to live inside their bubble of denial instead of confronting the fact that they are the problem.

It is up to the rest of us to see through John McCain's bluff and vote for Barack Obama.

Posted by: del3 | September 16, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton should do whatever Hillary Clinton wants to do. She needs to find her own way, as does Obama. But, as a true Hillary supporter, I would say that Sarah “Caribou Barbie” Palin is not qualified to carry Hillary’s pantsuit let alone be President. Hillary paid her political dues, whereas Palin has come from literally nowhere. John McCain used Palin as a gimmick to take the light off Obama and it has worked for a while, but like any new toy it soon loses its appeal and people become bored. I’m there already. So, on to some other story, perhaps our economic meltdown might be a nice place to start.

Posted by: Montanan4Obama | September 15, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

National news/medias are not covering Hillary anymore simply because she is no longer a presidntial candidate. Does that mean she is silent on campaigning for Obama? She has to follow Obama's campaign directions now because it is his presidential campaign and it would be very inappropriate for her to take strongly active role on her own. If Obama wants press conference with Hillary, it is his campaign to arrange that, otherwise Obama will looks like a lost soul as Hillary will over shadow him as a leader. I am also wondering(like Roger indicated below)as to why everybody calling Hillary should that..Hillary should this..she is selfish..she wants to run in 2012...she should be attacking Palin...as if it is her sole responsibility now to put Obama in Whitehouse. Where are all those so called party leaders who suggested Obama to discard Hillary for VP? Don't they have time to call press conference with Obama or go to Letterman's show? Why Hillary became so powerful person all of a sudden that people are almost demanding her to do the Sen. Biden's(as VP candidate)job? By the way where is Edward, Kerry, Pelosi, Ms. Kennedy who basically selected Biden to be his running mate, Dodd, Richardson, Oprah and all others and why are they so sillent? Poor Hillary! It is damn if she does it and damn if she don't and i hate to be in her shoes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The difference between the GOP and the Dems: After the convention the GOP rallies full bore behind their candidates. The DEMS not as much so.

Dems if you want OBAMA to win, you must show a united front. Hillary should call a press conference with Obama, she should go on Letterman, and she should go on the View, not just Bob's Barbeque in Brownsville. She needs face time if she is to help her party and Obama. Hell, I think Hillary and Obama should be connected at the hip for the next few weeks if necessary. Whatever it takes.

As it stands, Hillary is in the headlines NOWHERE. I have heard nothing from her since the convention. Thus, in the eyes of this voter and others, it is as if she is doing nothing (even though she apparently is).

Everyone knows Mitt Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani and others are already looking forward to 2012. I have no doubt Clinton and other prominent DEMS are doing the same. Any possible candidate would, but Senator Clinton’s perceived silence on this race in the national press will force some to wonder if she positioning herself.

(By the way I was a dyed in the wool Edwards supporter. I did not have a horse in the Obama/ Clinton contest, but I am now firmly supporting Obama. There is too much at stake to sit on the side-lines.)

Posted by: Kirk Goolsby | September 13, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should do whatever she wants to, it is actually none of our business.

Posted by: Sima | September 13, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

This Hillary supporter has gone back and forth trying to justify voting for McCain. Personally, it was his pick of Palin that slapped me back into reality. I've deep concerns about Obama. I never thought I'd vote for a president based on his VP choice, but that's what I'm doing. My belief in Biden as a rock for Obama in areas of national security cinches it. After all, we've made it through Dubya's reign. There's no way but up now!

Posted by: Sounder | September 13, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't even F***en care if Obama losses or for that mater Democrat. I am telling you this b/c you democrat really don't know what you want. You don't want Hillary we said OK, asked us to be team player we said OK, contribute to Obama camp we said OK, let Hillary go out campaign we said OK, but still you guys think she doesn't want him to win. Who cares what she want, he said he will win then let him do it. This is not affirmative action to put black in office. I guess you are scared now & please Hillary help, please...

You know what, I knew it long a go that he doesn't have it to be President & I see it coming way before claiming the office. Forget you, no money no vote from this black guy ... Don't blame black later or don't include me.

Posted by: Yoseph | September 13, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

What should Hillary do?
Admit she was never qualified to be POTUS because she's never done anything or stood for anything on her own.
Admit that Obama won because he's more capable & brilliant than she is on her best day.
& then go back to Arkansas & the Wal-mart board.
That's what she should do before she damages this country any further.

Posted by: Martha | September 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

By the way, African Americans do not support Obama because he is black, but because most believe in his platform, especially about ensuring that we all have a fair chance in life. As a white woman, I am horrified to think that other white women are going to vote for McCain and Palin because Palin looks like them. What has Hillary Clinton stood up for? The Republican party cannot even support a measure in Congress to support equal pay for equal work. So women go ahead and vote the Palin/McCain ticket and see your rights disintegrate. At least African Americans have the good sense to vote on the issues. Do you think African Americans would vote for ultra conservative Alan Keyes just because he happens to black? Wake up women! Do you want your daughters to lose all of the rights we fought so hard to win?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

We want to know everything about Sarah but can't even find out where obama was born. That scares me.

Posted by: dacajun | September 13, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

At this point of time, none of us know whether Hillary will ever run for POTUS in the future. To assume that she wants Obama's defeat in GE so that she get to run again in 2012 is nothing more than rationalization of inner anger in order to continue downgrading her as a person. It is amazing to me as to why Hillary must take a role of Obama's attack dog(as some people suggesting here) against Palin! I mean, why not Pelosi or Brazil, or Oprah, or JFK's daughter, or all other strong female politicians who have been supporting Obama from the beginning? It is despicable to blame Hillary everytime something goes wrong with Obama's campaign and I don't think Obama is doing that but some of his supporters are becoming big liability for him by continuously degrading Hillary. It is simply a self-defeating process by sabotaging the Obama's success.

Posted by: Roger | September 13, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

You know just maybe women pay closer attention to the canidates.Do you know that team obama pays their campaign women less then the men all the while Mccain pays women more.Did you also know Donna Brazile told the Hillary supporters that the dems did not need them and could replace them with new voters.It could also be that ever major issue Obama started out with he has changed his mind about it.I am pretty sure that the 90% of blacks that is voting for Obama do not all believe his stance on abortion. So they vote for him because he is black and thats their choice.Just like many women will vote for Mccain Palin ticket because Palin is a women .Many do not agree about her stance on abortion but its our choice to vote for her.As far as Hillary is concerned she should stay as far away from Obama as she possibly can.

Posted by: Becky | September 13, 2008 4:41 AM | Report abuse

sen. clinton will promote the ideals of the democratic party. she has always been a team player but she shouldn't praise to the high heavens this flawed obama/biden ticket.

Posted by: mikel | September 13, 2008 4:34 AM | Report abuse

hillary should kick Sarah's white alaskan a**. I'm sick of all these idiots who know nothing about sexism bla bla blah. only another woman can effectively stop the Palin juggernaut by calling her out in a way that will expose her wacko viciousness to those women who are currently being duped by the glasses and perfect makeup. the people who really disgust me are the ones willing to flush the whole country down the toilet by perpetuating the Obama-Clinton fight. It's too late dems and we can not let McAged and the beauty queen win and run the country into rot and ruin for another 4 years. how is it that you don't get that?

Posted by: jacquesprat | September 13, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

Hillary doesn't want obama to win now her great second plan for the white house is for obama to loose and then she will begin campaigning for the 2012 elections - she is satisfied to allow mccain to go for four years and then she thinks the public will be ready for her to win in 2012...Once again it will show that politicians (none of them) give a care about us people - they just want the POWER, the MONEY and the GLORY - she could care less about this election now that she has been tossed out---what gullible people we are to think that she is really trying to get obama elected????

Posted by: kathy mac | September 13, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

There is no question about what Hillary must do. It is her patriotic obligation to let women know in no uncertain terms just what Gloria Steinem has said. Palin: wrong woman, wrong message. Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger. Palin means the end of Choice and a reversal of all that women have fought for many decades. It is the future of the country Hillary must fight for and that is why it is a question of patriotism. She herself acknowledged that this battle goes way beyond the personal struggle she waged with Obama. Palin means bombing the feminist movement back to the stone age. Hillary must shout this message loud and clear as long as it takes to drive it home.

Posted by: jefflz | September 13, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Please read the article "Be Careful What You Say While Campaigning…. God May Be Watching." posted on http://www.cliffyworld.com/blogs

Posted by: Cliffyworld | September 13, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

those women moving to mCcane are:
1. who were republican but deside to vot based on gender but now they went home.
2.Some white women who don't like McCane but don't want to vote for black man now they saw palynn and moved to McCane were for hilarry because she is white and beeter than to vote for McCane.
3. women who are blinded by gender bias.

Therefore not real movment of real democtratic and independet women from Barak to McCane but Barak has to work to win indpendent women to vote for him.

Posted by: JOJO | September 13, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Kelly Donovan:

Gov. Palin will definitely bring Tupperware parties to the White House. In her well-cut skirt suits, she certainly seems the feminine, lady-like type. These parties will celebrate higher coat-hanger sales, more dead women from septic shock during back-alley abortions, the first batch of PhD's in Creationology (minor in aerial hunting), the extinct middle-class...

And guess what she will serve at these parties? Why, dead moose, dead caribou and dead polar bear, of course!

Hold on to your seat belts! another loooong party coming soon!!

Posted by: neutralobserver | September 12, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

It seems it is more important to white women to break the glass ceiling no matter what, even if the candidate is not the best choice. Too bad the democrats and Obama didn't listen better and make Hillary VP. We would have been unbeatable. Now, it is a toss up.

Posted by: Victoria | September 12, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary is doing the best she can to help Obama win the elction. I supported her during the primaries but now I will vote for Obama in GE. Obama decided that Hillary is not a right person to be his VP. At the same time, his campaign including DNC should not treat or push Hillary around as if it is her responsibility to win the GE for obama. It is absolutely not her job to be Obama's attack dog against Palin either. It appeares that large percentage of her supporters are already backing Obama and it is nothing more than idiotic to think dems will blame her if Obama fails to win the GE. That is why I think she should go far away for a while doing something different than involving in political campaigns. She is a great individual and does not deserve to be pushed around by anybody.

Posted by: Roger | September 12, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

The democrats may have blown it again. They are the party of "good intentions" but as the saying goes: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Hillary was the less risky choice. Better luck next time. I don't think we can stand four more years.

Posted by: Al Wordman | September 12, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

The democrats may have blown it again. They are the party of "good intentions" but as the saying goes: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Hilary was the less risky choice. Better luck next time. I don't think we can stand four more years.

Posted by: Al Wordman | September 12, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I am in the tax bracket that Obama wants to raise taxes on (alot). I live a very modest lifestyle. I save every dollar I can because I want to retire. I am charitable & give around 10k per year. I spoke with my accountant last week and based on the Obama plan my retirement would have to be delayed 4 years. Most of his new spending (that I will be paying for) will directly benefit the dregs of our society. The drug riddled, lifetime welfare, forever on the teat of government people. These people have no motivation to support themselves & now he wants to give them more. This will really encourage these people to become self reliant, contributing members of society won't it? Come on. So guess where the extra tax money will come from if he is elected? That's right, my charitable contributions. On top of that I will cut back on any extra spending wherever possible to offset this. So who will suffer under Obama? The working people who already pay through the nose. Who benefits? The absolute laziest, most pathetic, drug ridden people of our society. The only way this plan will stimulate the economy is to give these people more money for drugs. Drug dealers pay taxes don't they? It certainly won't get the people who have the money to spend to stimulate the economy to spend it. His ideas are pure socialism. I am not a history professor but I think history has shown that socialism does not work.

Posted by: repudiate | September 12, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Republican strategy:

'Isolate the idiots and scare them into voting for us.'

Four more years of Repubs? Yea, that's smart!

My poor nation would appear to deserve what's abou tto happen to it. $11,000,000,000,000.00 in debt, and going down fast.

Bush took the deficit from 5.7 trill to 11 till. But you know what, some Repub told me last week that Bush has in fact reduced the deficit.

That's how duped the Repubs are.

It's Rednecks versus reason now. Luckily, I live in New York. It's them folk in kansas and texas that will suffer most in the coming depression. But hey, if you vote for bankruptcy, then perhaps you deserve it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

And they wonder why the nation is failing...

Rednecks versus Reason. The Past Versus the Future. Comrades versus Citizens.

Oh well. De Tocqueville was right. We are doomed!

The country is going bankrupt soon. The Repubs have duped us once and for all.

Is Texas Really a State of Mind? The Professor May Disagree. By Lee Hockstader
Washington Post Staff Writer
ALPINE, Tex. --. Sechrest, 56, is a jowly, acid-tongued economics professor at Sul Ross State University, an institution best known for producing schoolteachers and rodeo performers. In January, Sechrest published a 7,000-word article in Liberty, a tiny libertarian journal, titled "A Strange Little Town in Texas." After dispensing with the things he likes about Alpine -- great climate, clean air, awesome scenery, low crime rate, friendly locals, frontier spirit, robust theater scene -- Sechrest came to his main point. "The secret problem is that the students at Sul Ross, and more generally the long-term residents of the entire area, are appallingly ignorant, irrational, anti-intellectual, and, well . . . just plain stupid," he wrote. He dissed his students and neighbors as "some of the dumbest clods on the planet," and his fellow faculty members as "mostly a waste of space." As for the local schoolkids, many "are only a notch above retardation,"


Posted by: Rob L. | September 12, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I want to think that there are smart women in America. But what am I supposed to think when women automatically flock with anything with a woman stamped on it? McCain waives a woman as if to say "Hillary's gone, but I've got a woman right here. Pick me! Pick me!" And you know what's sad? Women are actually buying it. We have a nation of air-headed Palins. How embarassing. I used to believe women were as smart as men. Now I'm not so sure...

Posted by: Joe in CA | September 11, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to support Obama and the democratic party 100 percent, because this is the most important election we will see in this lifetime. If the McCain/Palin party gets in office, God help all of us who value our freedom and liberty. Forget about saving the environment, our economy, or our freedom to choose for ourselves. If those bible toting hillbillies get into office, we'll all be in trouble. Palin is the role model for women? I don't know any "lady" who condones the killing of wolves or the hunting of endangered animals. I'd like to see women's day magazine feature an article on Palin slitting the throat of a deer with her children sitting next to the dead carcass. That picture didn't exactly define what a "lady" means to me. A strong woman is still feared by men and apparently women alike. Hillary is strong and she can hold her own with the men. That is something to be admired and respected. If women think Hillary is too manly because she speaks up for herself, then sadly they have been put in a submissive role for far too long. What a pity for the rest of us.

Posted by: KG | September 11, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

As a woman I find it embarassing that women who may have initially chosen Obama would switch their votes to McCain simply because he now has a female running mate. I wonder how many of them know McCain was against women being paid equally for doing the same work as men. The irony is laughable and sad at the same time. If people want to discuss how underqualified any of the candidates are, then they should gear that issue towards Palin, who clearly is not qualified to be the leader of the free world. I would love to see a woman be President one day, but I do not wish to see Palin as Vice President or President, as could happen should McCain's age and health get the best of him before his term is over. I find it sad that people are so easily swayed by appearance alone, and to elect a woman simply because she is a woman is the same as electing Obama simply because he is black. As a middle class, mid-30's, white woman, I can say that I am most definitely voting for Obama. The real issue of this election does not seem to be an issue of white vs black or man vs woman to me. It seems to be more of an intelligence issue. The majority of the population who believe everything they hear and see on television seem to be voting for McCain and Palin, while the people who have an IQ higher than 20 and who can think for themselves are voting for Obama and Biden. I've heard a rumor that Biden may step down and Hilary may take the position? I think he may have chosen not to select Hilary initially because there was a fear he would be overshadowed by her since she was so popular. But now that people have seen how easily led this country is based on a few parlor tricks by the republicans, perhaps Biden will step down and give the position to Hilary. I believe it will drive the democrats to a win for sure this year. I vote independent and do not agree 100 percent with either side. I vote for the candidate I feel would be best for the position, and I truly hope Obama wins this election. I fear the power of stupid people in large groups, and truly hope there are more of us with at least half a brain working who will make the intelligent choice and vote for Obama.

Posted by: Female in Philly | September 11, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

The stuff i am seeing on this is insane. yes i was an hrc fan, but because those big swing states matter. Obama said he didn't need them and that he would win in red states, clearly not true. It's not even a debate he needs the states she won, why else would 90% of his ad dollars be going there, why else is Clinton going to FL & Pen? These Obama fanatics are nuts, I actually read somebody mentioning Palin's voting record...she a gov you idiot! Look I am voting for Obama, but you think he would be having lunch with Bill publicly and asking HRC to campaign if he didn't need it. And reading about her age, wow i am 32 and i find that unbelievable. Look support who you want but don't sound like liberal versions of Rush's ditto heads! Facts are facts.

Posted by: dave | September 11, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Folks, be careful of the Repugnicans mascarading on this blog as Democrats.

And remember Dems, the race is between Senators Obama and McCain, not Barack Obama and Sarah Palin. We must treat her for what she is... a non-entity. If you loved Senator Clinton, you have to go with Senator Obama, it is what she has asked of you. It makes no sense to go with John McCain just because he has added an inexperienced female to his ticket. Aren't you smarter than that?

Posted by: Ohreallynow | September 11, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What Obama needs!

Obama needs to realize that he is way too damned underqualified to be playing in this arena. If he were to be in a debate with Sarah Palin, he would be skinned alive, and then skewered.

He needs to realize that the democratic party, and the country are bigger than his puny stature.

he needs to resign from the ticket, claiming -
1) he wants to spend more time with his young family,
2) he resuddenly realized the "fierce urgency of later",
3) he needs to grow up a bit,
4) he would like to burnish his credentials by running for Mayor of Calumet City and then perhaps Governor of Illinois,
5) he would like to reflect on his imbecility in befriending and consorting with Rev. Wright and Prof. Ayers,
6) he can wait until Michelle mellows a bit and figures out if she is really proud of the country he wants become a president of,
7) he needs to confirm where exactly he was born,
8) he needs to get some sensitivity training,
9) he needs to get his wife take some sensitivity training,
10) he would rather run for president of Kenya

that will be a start.

Hillary Clinton has no obligation to campaign for him. if she does, out of a sense of loyalty for the pary, fine. If she campaigns for the many house and senate candidates, even better.

Hillary Clinton vs Sarah Palin - 2012

Posted by: Krishna | September 11, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm an independent voter however my first vote was for Hillary.

I never understood Obama's decision not to get Hillary as the VP candidate knowing that was his winning ticket. What is he afraid of? Is it that he doesn't want a woman in power or a Clinton next to him afraid of her shadow and experience?
What a confusion this Democrat party has !!!
And this is the kind of undecided leader we are going to elect as President?

America has always been the most powerful nation!! We are going thru tough economic times but it certainly doesn't mean they will last forever.

All these promises of changes sound to me exactly like Chavez and Castro's speech when they were trying to get followers and they are still in power!!!!

Obama is promising the same exact bunch of lies and at the end he won't be able to deliver many of them and we will be in a worst situation.

Seijo

Posted by: Seijo | September 11, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has always been the top candidate and this final 55 days is proving it. Obama has been nothing but a second rate candidate now that he is no longer on a stage-crafted podium in pursuit of Hillary. He has no lateral game plan. God help us when and if he gets to the White House. It will be a huge problem to even trust this very lightweight candidate at the helm of this country. He has no spine, no core values, and will say and do just about anything to be elected. The voters smell the desperation in the air and they know he is no Hillary and never will be. He is all smoke and mirrors and just a puppet that is being propped up by his campaign puppet team, governed by the DNC. They do not know middle America nor do they respect us.

Posted by: swoosie | September 11, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I am for Palin. Even if Obama had put Hillary on his ticket, he still will have two people wearing pants. Here we have McCain wearing pants and Sarah wearing a dress. I look at Hillary as just another guy with a wider hip. Sarah has made womanhood her main theme for this election. Hillary claimed 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling for women. Well Sarah could use those cracks. Between Hillary and Sarah, Sarah is the real woman. Hillary is just a pantsuit disguised as a woman. I would like Sarah to bring a new agenda to the white house. That is to have tupperware parties in the white house lawn every first wednesday of the month.

Posted by: Kelly Donovan | September 11, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The Obama responses may seem slow in the accelerated blog-driven world of today, but they are almost always considered, calculated and in and appropriate, measured tone.

If Obama was "angry" in his replies that Palin was the lipstick to McCain's policies of the past (the pig), he didn't look it.

He seemed serious in tone and reiterated that the discussion need to be about the things that matters daily in the lives of the working class.

The Republicans have chummed the waters with Palin and the media has taken the bait. This is a phase that has a shelf life, and Obama has yet to "flame-out" despite the forecasts of his adversaries.

I can't believe women that supported Hillary are jumping ship to support another women when so many of their views and positions on issues are polar opposites. It is such a sad Republican gimmick and I hope American's won't get fooled again.

Palin is like George Bush with lipstick. Don't look with your eyes, listen to the positions! She is adamant about all the things that don't belong in politics; Religion, Abortion, Guns, Birth Control, Stem cell research. She supports EVERY controversial policy that regulates an individual's right to choose. Hillary's eyes should be rolling back in her head.

Posted by: DonJulio | September 11, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is in a tough spot. If she campaigns hard for Obama and Obama loses it will again be a loss for Hillary. If she doesn't do enough for Obama still she will get the blame that she was half hearted. Even if Obama decides to throw Biden of the train and pull in Hillary, it will be attributed as a Palin effect. The young generation will never find Hillary's experience card as attractive as young Palin who is sexy, articulate and down right funny. Hillary does not have that funny bone. What is done is done. For democrats they can minimize the embarrasment by just admitting that they lost the race. Biden has already thrown in his towel by saying Hillary would've been a better pick than himself. Biden is already fretting the one debate he is supposed to have with Palin. He sure is wetting his pants right now. Palin has nothing to lose. She can easily make fun of Biden, but Biden is tabooed from making fun of Palin.

Posted by: Jenna | September 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/10/joe-biden-questions-obamas-judgment/#comments

Joe Biden questions Obama’s judgment
By Michelle Malkin • September 10, 2008 05:58 PM He means it. “Frankly” and “sincerely.” We believe you, Joe:

Transcript:

[MSNBC's] SEN. JOE BIDEN: Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. She is say close personal friend and qualified to be president of the United States of America. She is easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me, but she is first-rate. I mean that sincerely.

Yes, Joe Biden is questioning Barack Obama’s judgment out loud.

The Palin effect. Savor it.

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#101On September 10th, 2008 at 8:24 pm, travlinman said:
If Biden is found shot 27 times in the head with a single shot, .44 Mag pistol in his ‘weak’ hand, sitting with a clean suicide note pinned to his back, in Ft. Marcy Park on a park bench with no blood on or around him, I think that Obama needs to “one-up” McCain and put a lesbian on the ticket. It might just be time for Oprah to “come out dat closet, girl”! Gayle could become the 1st, First Butch, since Eleanor Roosevelt.

No matter what happens, I just can’t see Hillary on the ticket with Obama. I mean, Barack would be afraid to eat or drink anything on the campaign trail or at the White House if they won, and might succomb to his sudden onset of anorexia. His disorder would most likely be rooted in a fear of poisoning, not a fear of looking fat.

Posted by: Joe | September 11, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

It is really amusing reading these posts that go on and on about HRC.

I have never heard so much complaining... "she undercut his image", "she broke the party", "she didn't drop out until the bitter end", etc. Wow! She did all that and still lost! I finally understand what a sore winner is.

How old are you people? For those of you who don't remember....Ted Kennedy ran one of the nastiest campaigns against Jimmy Carter and Carter was the incumbent! Kennedy took his fight for the nomination to the convention floor despite being far, far behind. He did not drop out until he failed in every attempt to get pledgd delegates to change their vote. He finally conceded August 12th!

In that contest Carter had Kennedy by almost 1000 delegates AND by ~3m popular votes! Now, there is a man that may have actually hurt the party. (Although, to be honest I really think Kennedy was the party's only hope. Carter lost to Reagan by 440 electoral votes!)

My point - you have no idea what you are talking about when you say HRC has "undercut Obama's image to an extent never before seen in a Democratic primary race, then refused to drop out until the bitter end. Since she broke it, it *is* her responsibility to try to fix it." In comparison to real history (not your illusion of political history) HRC was a lamb.

Sorry Annoymous - you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I say again.......this is NOT Hillary's election to win or lose. It is Obama's.

Posted by: kevino | September 11, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary doesn't owe Barack Obama a thing! She released her delagates, both Clintons endorsed, and they united the party at the convention. She is now doing a very positive campaign for Barack Obama in Florida. The kind of campaign we were promised by the candidate himself during the primaries who said he was bringing "change" to Washington and would never resort to right wing smear tactics. Of course, all that goes out the window ever since the Sarah Palin nomination and his campaign went into a free fall. How pathetic? Its not even October and his defeatist supporters have already started with the "blame Hillary" scenarios. I hate to say it but we told you so.

Posted by: clyde | September 11, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

HRC fanatics here (not Democrats who merely preferred HRC and support Obama now; not independents who supported HRC and now support McCain) need to get a grip on reality. Palin was a reactionary pick, not a "maverick" pick. If Obama had chosen HRC as his running mate Rove strategy would have released the independent and evangelical conservative hounds that would be knawing her pantsuit covered rear as we speak. Many people still have a visceral hate for Hillary that is being masked by Palin-mania and Nobama tantrum throwers.

Second, let's admit once and for all that race matters. White female HRC fanatics who SAY "women first" and preach feminism but really mean "White women first" and preach racial loyalty masked as gender loyalty (one only need witness their ripping apart of Michelle Obama to see the truth) are clearly content to vote for anyone who puts a White woman in the White House that will not be named "First Lady." I doubt that these White women would be flocking to a McCain-Rice ticket. And if you think that you would have seen a similar rush from Black women to support McCain-Rice you are insane in the membrane. The vast majority of Black folks who stand behind Obama now stood behind Clinton before her husband's Jesse Jackson references.

Third, HRC and her campaign taught Rove and the McCain campaign everything they needed to know about how to cry sexism when faced with a legitimate challenge from an opponent. I, for one, thought Hillary was tougher than that. Barack certainly isn't attributing every criticism made about him that he can't refute to racism. Racism and sexism are facts of American life. Ask a woman of color, not a "minority" male or White female (who only deal with one or the other) about the interesting twists and turns of dealing with both at the same time.

Last, if Obama loses HRC is no slam dunk for 2012. Palin will nab the White women " Mom" vote, which is not known for its progressive tendencies. That 90% support the current Democratic nominee enjoys among African Americans will dwindle to low teens. While the Dems might not have brought their factions together in 2008, all 2012 will be if Obama loses is the flipside of this one: Strong blue collar and White female support, anemic African American and "elite" liberal support. Democrats need both to win. And this Schadenfreude from today will be transferred to another grievance-driven Democratic group tomorrow.

For every HRC fan braying about the chickens coming home to roost for Obama, I hope you remember these moments in 2012 if Obama loses and you party like its a 19th century Seneca Falls convention.

For every Obama supporter/loyal Democrat who is clamoring for HRC to get medieval on the pitbull in lipstick (if only Eve the rapper had patented her pitbull in a skirt phrase!): It's not the right move. She should, however, vigorously attack the campaign machine that trivializes sexism, demonstrate the toughness that got her where she is today, and redeem herself for womankind by spearheading votes in the Senate on ISSUES like equal pay for equal work, early childhood education, and single parent job training programs.

Posted by: MS | September 11, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm just about pulling my hair out by its roots reading all the nonsense put out by the media. I support both SEN.OBAMA & SEN.CLINTON,but he is the candidate that we chose. All true democrats should throw their full support his way.If SEN.CLINTON wants to run again for president in the future, she will have a much better chance of doing so, if she helps us win now.I know that she will do this.
GO OBAMA & BIDEN

Posted by: puredemo | September 11, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Hillary how about some cool ones lines that can take the wind right out of her sails every time Palin attacks?

Think David Letterman Hillary!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbWhhfXy0js

Posted by: Bobby | September 11, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

HRC fanatics here (not Democrats who merely preferred HRC and support Obama now; not independents who supported HRC and now support McCain) need to get a grip on reality. Palin was a reactionary pick, not a "maverick" pick. If Obama had chosen HRC as his running mate Rove strategy would have released the independent and evangelical conservative hounds that would be knawing her pantsuit covered ass as we speak. Many people still have a visceral hate for Hillary that is being masked by Palin-mania and Nobama tantrum throwers.

Second, let's admit once and for all that race matters. White female HRC fanatics who SAY "women first" and preach feminism but really mean "White women first" and preach racial loyalty masked as gender loyalty (one only need witness their ripping apart of Michelle Obama to see the truth) are clearly content to vote for anyone who puts a White vagina in the White House that will not be named "First Lady." I doubt that these women would be flocking to a McCain-Rice ticket. And if you think that you would have seen a similar rush from Black women to support McCain-Rice you are insane in the membrane. The vast majority of Black folks who stand behind Obama now stood behind Clinton before her husband's Jesse Jackson references.

Third, HRC and her campaign taught Rove and the McCain campaign everything they needed to know about how to cry sexism when faced with a legitimate challenge from an opponent. I, for one, thought Hillary was tougher than that. Barack certainly isn't attributing every criticism made about him that he can't refute to racism. Racism and sexism are facts of American life. Ask a woman of color, not a "minority" male or White "female" (who only deal with one or the other) about the interesting twists and turns of dealing with both at the same time.

Last, if Obama loses HRC is no slam dunk for 2012. Palin will nab the White women " Mom" vote who are not progressive. That 90% support the current Democratic nominee enjoys among African Americans will dwindle to low teens. While the Dems might not have brought their factions together in 2008, all 2012 will be if Obama loses is the flipside of this one: Strong blue collar and White female support, anemic African American and "elite" liberal support. Democrats need both to win. And this Schadenfreude from today will be transferred to another grievance-driven Democratic group tomorrow.

For every HRC fan braying about the chickens coming home to roost for Obama, I hope you remember these moments in 2012 if Obama loses and you party like its a 19th century Seneca Falls convention.

For every Obama supporter/loyal Democrat who is clamoring for HRC to get medieval on the pitbull in lipstick (if only Eve the rapper had patented her pitbull in a skirt phrase!): It's not the right move. She should, however, vigorously attack the campaign machine that trivializes sexism, demonstrate the toughness that got her where she is today, and redeem herself for womankind by spearheading votes in the Senate on ISSUES like equal pay for equal work, early childhood education, and single parent job training programs.

Posted by: MS | September 11, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse


So how badly does Hillary want the vp spot?

Does Hillary have a spine? Or will she meekly submit to Obama's sexist hate machine if asked to replace Biden? The same hate machine that abused her and all women so badly.

Enquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: reason | September 11, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Not surprising to see the old Clinton shills here since Cizilla has been in the tank for Clinton - but some of these comments are beyond ridiculous. Clinton ran a smear campaign and fanned the flames of her partisan support, effectively undercut Obama's image to an extent never before seen in a Democratic primary race, then refused to drop out until the bitter end. Since she broke it, it *is* her responsibility to try to fix it if she wants a serious political career in the future. Although "The Fix" readers clearly don't understand this, the Clintons do, which explains their speeches at the convention.

Senator Clinton would be an effective surrogate if she spoke specifically about Palin's lies and horrendous policy record. Instead she's limited her comments to preschool language: "No way, no how, no McCain, No Palin." That's not effective. Only she can really know what her motivation is for these remarks or anything else she does.

What *should* Senator Clinton do? Her record shows very clearly what she likely *will* do - whatever she thinks is in her own best short-term and long-term political interest, and absolutely nothing more or less.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I am an American living in Europe (intending to vote, making donations to the Dems etc.) and the thought occurs to me that Rome is burning whilst you all squabble. Help!!!! The main task is to keep McCain and Gov Moose-olini (not original with me, from someone else's blog) from rampaging around the world again. Please, FOCUS!!!!

Posted by: Marjorie Thompson | September 11, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the cookie is beginning to crumble for the Obama fans. I'm not surprised when you consider the guy is a racist... check out the comments he made about his grandmother the "typical white person" and then check out his preacher of 20 years who slams white. How can ANYBODY deny they are a racist when they have sat in a church with him for 20 years listening to his wacko anti-white bashing???? I guess its OK for him to be racist because he's a black guy, ahh actually he's black and white but you dont hear him call himself anything other than African.

Yeah - he must be REAL proud to be an American.

He must be laughing that so many stupid people vote for him without knowing the facts. Well, I will never vote for someone who is ashamed of his whiteness and is racist and anyone who does is a fool.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

HRC is a valuable and principled senator. If she campaigns for BO, she should stick to HER agenda: health care, education, etc. This is not American Idol. American voters, including black men and white women, are smart enough to look beyond appearance and vote on issues.

Posted by: AnnB2 | September 11, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

jomamasaid:
"I'm tired of former Hillary voters whining that Obama supporters are mean"

You people deliberately branded Bill and Hillary racists, to win the primaries, ignoring everything Bill Clinton has ever stood for.How dare you insist now that Hillary risk her reputation amongsther18 million supporters(more than half of democratic voters) to play Obamas attack dog?Go back to your slime machines like Huffpost and Kos and keep spewing hate on Hillary./Dont expect Hillary or us to do your dirty work.

Posted by: Hillary2012 | September 11, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

If Biden conveniently resigns as Obama's running-mate, Hillary should not accept any belated vice-presidential offer from Barack, because if he goes down, then so does she; that is, her chances for the top slot in 2012 are diminished, because she was part of the 2008 losing ticket.

If Barack loses in 2008 without her on the ticket, then she is the top contender in the 2012 Democratic presidential primary.

If Barack wins in 2008 without her, then she can make the case that the Supreme Court (with one or two current male justices retiring) could use another woman--namely, her.

Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

It's hard to believe the willfull ignorance displayed by voters this election. I'm tired of former Hillary voters whining that Obama supporters are mean to them, despite the constant "kool-aid" style comments thrown around during the primary. I only hope that any former Hillary supporter that votes McCain has a child or grandchild sent to the wars he wants to continue & the possible new ones (Iran or Russia) he would start.

My only consolation I guess is that those dumb enough to essentially elect a 3rd term for Bush are more likely to suffer from that decision economically than I am.

Posted by: Jomama | September 11, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Hillary, as a woman, is the only person that can really bash the hell out of Sarah, and there is plenty of fodder there.
Hillary needs to get on with it and fast.

I don't agree with any of the intellectual postering on this election that truly believes Americans don't vote on VP picks.

Considering our average IQ is 98, that intellectual summary is wrong, deadly wrong for Obama. We rank 17th in the world for smarts and it shows. Americans are perfectly happy being lead by the ring in their noses anymore.

Intellectual anything is the wrong way to approach the whole Palin rise. Entertainment, splash, and fanfare is liable to win this election and kill our country once and for all!

The Obama campaign needs to get real about America--we're stupid and easily mislead, a reality I came to grips with blogging through the last two elections.

BTW, I've been blogging about Sarah for almost two years in my daily environmental blog for my local news. I have an entire subcategory with Palin's name on it. She's a cruel, opportunist that charms. Lipstick on a pig? I think not. It's more like lipstick on a snake.

McCain had better watch his back. He hasn't realized yet, that Sarah has stolen the show, not bolstered it. Ditto for Rove and any of the other unscrupulous people in that campaign because Sarah is taking notes. Down the road, look out. She'll turn on anyone else's unethical missteps for her use to get to the top, which is an unethical overload of a trip all along the way in and of itself from the $500,000 dollar funding for research into her AGIA program in Alaska, to the fact that an administrator ran the show as mayor of Wasilla because Palin proved to be spiteful and inept to the point she was almost recalled. As governor it was a childish show of legislative action with Palin's line item vetoes she didn't like, and the legislature reinstating them. What a farce!

Her 90% approval rating in a state with less than a quarter million people is not a great feat when she taxed the big oil companies for record profits for the state. Give em money, their vote is secured.

Posted by: melro | September 11, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

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OBAMA IS CRACKING - is this how Obama and his people are going to handle a National Security Crisis ???


Clearly Obama is NOT ready.


The way that Obama AND his paid staff bloggers at the Obama headquarters have attacked Sarah Palin over the past few weeks clearly PROVES THAT OBAMA IS NOT THE PERSON FOR THE POSITION OF PRESIDENT.


OBAMA CLEARLY CAN NOT HANDLE THE PRESSURE.


Obama is now making mistakes and he is losing it. Obama is clearly UNABLE to handle a FOREIGN CRISIS OR STAND UP TO FOREIGN LEADERS IF THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO HIM WHEN CONFRONTED BY THE GOVERNOR OF ALASKA.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 11, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

kevino said:
Let me get this straight. HRC has a spirited 18 month fight, gets a ton of votes and, in the end, she loses. She bows out, is told by BO that he has no intention of making her VP and no intention of helping her retire debt,etc.

HRC in response...

1) Campaigns with him.
2) Endorses him 100%
3) She and Bill give a rousing speech at the convention and are credited for UNITING the party behind BO.
4) She is currently in Florida campaigning for BO.

Yet, regardless of what she does the themes coming from many BO supporters are:

1) HRC is not doing enough - she should attack Palin. If she doesn't it is her fault if he loses

OR;

2) HRC is a witch and should leave the country. If she doesn't it is her fault if he loses

It doesn't matter what she does - if BO loses it will be blamed on HRC. Yet this "losing" candidate has done more than any other losing candidate in the history of this nation to support the winning candidate. And it was 100% expected that she do all that she has done. Anybody remember how Ted Kennedy behaved when he lost to Carter?

Here is the reality - BO is running for President NOT HRC. She is NOT responsible for his winning or losing. He is.
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Couldnt have said better kevino.Thanks.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton serves the Party best by holding her fire on Palin. It's one thing to support Hillary Clinton for office, something else to vote for someone else simply because she asks it. Barack was showing signs of deflation long before Sarah Palin came on the national scene. Numerous factors, not the least of which was McCain's renewed focus and campaign discipline of message. Obama never truly united anything after he was selected by Party super delegates. The same sense of self-worth that resulted in no vetting of Hillary also failed to grasp the importance of making a real peace with her supporters. Barack is also now fairly pegged as something less than divine leader as his road show started to collapse, pumped up as it was with nothing more than infatuation and pop-culture approvals. Hillary was Always the serious candidate between the two. Why do folks now expect her to bend over for Obama? Obama doesn't need her. He made this clear. Many women who'd supported Hillary claimed they would not vote for Obama even if he picked Hillary as veep. Are they any more likely to do so because Hillary attacks Sarah Palin? Sounds to me like Men are in charge of this hoped-for strategy, men who STILL haven't a clue about the opposite sex. On another note...As we get closer to Nov. 4, and Barack finds himself grasping for anything that might change the trends, he's revealing himself to be quite the cynical, even bitter smarmy comic, resembling online nutters more than a candidate for the U.S. Presidency. I don't think this plays very well with free-thinking women. buticouldbewrong

Posted by: bluecollarbytes | September 11, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

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Not for nothing, but wasn't what Obama did to Bill Clinton in South Carolina "swift-boat politics?"


Obama really has to watch out for the hypocrite label.


Obama was supposed to be the "post-partisan post-racial" candidate - and all he has done has been to be a FRAUD to those two campaign themes.


It really is unbelievable.


The attacks on Sarah Palin have made a COMPLETE FRAUD out of any claim that Obama has made of being "post-partisan." What is really bothering the ANGRY LIBERALS is that a WOMAN can be PROFRESSIONAL, ASSERTIVE AND HAVE CONSERVATIVE VALUES ALL AT THE SAME TIME. THAT SIGHT INFURIATES THE OBAMA AND HIS CRAZY BAND OF ANGRY LIBERALS.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 11, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

If Hillary needs to win the election for Obama then the Democrats nominated the wrong candidate.

Posted by: ChrisInBerlin | September 11, 2008 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Some of you folks aren't voting for the right reasons. To, specifically, "McCain/Palin supporter," "Girl Power" isn't defined by a conservative, anti-abortion stance. Sorry to let you know about this, but any pro-choice woman who votes for McCain is in serious trouble, as are all women's rights in the next 4 years (I expect McCain to win, so there, but I won't be voting for him, because of his irresponsibility here).

Posted by: JasonMcClain | September 11, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

The instincts and wisdom of Mc Cain's choice of Palin as V.P. demonstrate that he is uniquely qualified to speak for and advocate on behalf of all Americans for the next 4 years.

No one with narcisistic personality disorder would have made the choice.

Mc Cain truly has honor and empathy .

Posted by: rtfanning | September 11, 2008 5:40 AM | Report abuse

Biden saying how Hillary "May have even been a better choice than I, for the veep position" is beyond interesting. What I find ironic now is that Obama supporters are saying Hillary HAS TO go to bat for Obama. WHY? She and Bill both said what they needed to say. Why should Hillary break her back to get Obama votes. It isn't her job to slam Palin. She did what she needed to do for the country, convince voters. Since Obama didn't need her on his ticket, since he thought he could win this on his own… then he should win on his own. Obama is meeting with Bill Clinton tomorrow for lunch. That should be interesting, eh? On the one hand if Hillary doesn't campaign for him, then it is her fault if he loses. If she DOES campaign for him and he loses, it is her fault. It is a lose/lose situation for her. She should be able to distance herself. It is NOT up to her to be the attack dog, that is Biden's job. If Obama wanted her to be an attack dog, he should have thought about that. Obama supporters want it all. He made his decision. It is up to HIM and him ALONE to convince any wayward voters that he can do the job, democrats have no business dragging Hillary into this mess.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Kevino has it dead on- she is doing above and beyond what any other unnominated contender has ever done- but his battle with her is over- it's time for the Obama supporters to move on and spend time fighting McCain-Palin on policy, where they are weak, rather than personality, where they are stronger.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

I see some interesting comments about HRC but you have some flawed thinking if Obama isn't the next President

1. Sarah Palin will be the first Female president not Hillary.

2. HRC will probably not be the Democratic nominee Mark Warner the next senator of Virginia, a former governor, a business man of new technology, not too much Washington experience but foreign policy experience from a state he can turn blue will be the Nominee.

3. The next 1 to 3 openings on the court will be liberal judges retiring which means you will have to have a Democrat just to maintain the current balance.

4. She will be blamed for the loss and we won't forget it.

I have only seen her give a couple of speeches against McCain and hardly any of the same tough attacks she gave Obama in the primaries. All I heard from two months was why he hadn't paid off her debt.

if he doesn't win then there will be no national health care

THAT WILL BE A PERMANENT DEAD ISSUE

so for everything she wants to have happen in the country he needs to win. MAKE NO MISTAKE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IF SHE HELPS HIM NOW

she will have a lot of leverage on policy especially on Health Care

Posted by: ENOUGH | September 11, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm with the thinking that Biden will suddenly have some pressing reason why he won't be able to stay on the ticket and there will be Her Highness Hillary ready to step in. Obama sure showed he makes good decisions when he picked his VP. If he picked Biden to shore up what he didn't have to offer, bad choice!

Posted by: Anonymous2 | September 11, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

"Seems to me" that Obama bloggers only know how to defend their candidate by insulting others . . . You have nothing else to fall back on. You did it to Senator Clinton and President Clinton, and now that you are backed into a corner, you are doing it to Senator McCain and Governor Palin.
Your candidate has no substance.

Posted by: SeattleRN | September 10, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight. HRC has a spirited 18 month fight, gets a ton of votes and, in the end, she loses. She bows out, is told by BO that he has no intention of making her VP and no intention of helping her retire debt,etc.

HRC in response...

1) Campaigns with him.
2) Endorses him 100%
3) She and Bill give a rousing speech at the convention and are credited for UNITING the party behind BO.
4) She is currently in Florida campaigning for BO.

Yet, regardless of what she does the themes coming from many BO supporters are:

1) HRC is not doing enough - she should attack Palin. If she doesn't it is her fault if he loses

OR;

2) HRC is a witch and should leave the country. If she doesn't it is her fault if he loses

It doesn't matter what she does - if BO loses it will be blamed on HRC. Yet this "losing" candidate has done more than any other losing candidate in the history of this nation to support the winning candidate. And it was 100% expected that she do all that she has done. Anybody remember how Ted Kennedy behaved when he lost to Carter?

Here is the reality - BO is running for President NOT HRC. She is NOT responsible for his winning or losing. He is.

Quit blaming HRC or expecting her to win the election for him. It's his job and he must bring the party together. Perhaps he could start by telling his overzealous supporters to stop pissing off HRC supporters (one reason they are wandering away to the other camp)

Republicans, regardless of their family blood-letting, know how to GET OVER IT and unite! What is wrong with you people? If you think the way to elect BO is to attack and demean HRC then get your tissues ready in November - you will need them.

HRC will not attack Palin as it will HELP McCain - look at the polls!

HRC WILL campaign for BO because HE WANTS HER TO. HE runs the campaign and she is doing AS HE ASKS! Who do you think organizes the events she speaks at? Get over your hate and unite!

Posted by: kevino | September 10, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

What should Hillary do? Save her energy for 2012. Obama desperately wants to be President, he thinks he's entitled to it, let him fight his fight. Obama has no shame asking help from Hillary. I thought he's better than Hillary. I'm not voting for Obama. The choice now is between McCain abd Obama. If it's not Hillary, I'll go for my second best McCAIN that is!

Posted by: Y | September 10, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I forgot to mention mccain. His croaking chant at the end of his convention speech gave me the creeps. He is definitely in need of retirement. The convention except for Sarah Palin looked like the Lawrence Welk Show reunion. This relic has no change in him. He needs help changing his diapers. If he gets elected Palin will be President before you can swallow a mooseburger.

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

In november of 2012, hillary will be sixty five. Time to retire. The senate is like a retirement home. Look at Srom Thurmond or Bill Nelson.

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Some of you still do not get it. The Primary was about who could best beat McCain for the Presidency. Obama was never that candidate. His lack of experience, poor judgement, poor senate record, and arrogance will be his downfall. He does not hold a candle to Governor Palin or Senator Clinton. Senator Clinton should not be expected to fight Obama's battles. Since he wants the Presidency so badly, let him fight for it. This former Clinton Supporter will be voting McCain/Palin. I did not agree with Senator Clinton on every issue, but she was the better candidate. Now my choices are McCain or Obama. I'm voting for experience. Senator McCain is the stronger, and experience candidate to get this country out of the mess that it's in. Keep in mind, we have a Democratic Congress so it's not a Republican agenda that will be pushed. Obama is a celebrity that believed his own hype. Now he and the democratic party is falling apart because they did not expect someone to come on the scene that would out-shine him. Serves them right.

Posted by: J | September 10, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Whos going to wake up hillary in 2012?

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton does not and should not go aggressive on Palin. She is not Obama's attack dog. That's Joe Biden's job. If Biden cannot do that adequately, well, Obama should've chosen Hillary as his running mate. Too bad, too sad, Obama.

Hillary Clinton is a feminist. She is not going to join the media in viciously tearing down a fellow woman in Sarah Palin. She is staying on the issues and keeping a positive tone.

Wake me up in 2012, when its Hillary against Palin. Now THAT will be fun.

Posted by: TajM | September 10, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Just thought I would let everyone know what my sister said the day Palin was announced as VP choice of McCain. Sis said that Joe Biden would resign as the Dem VP candidate for health reasons/personal reasons/ for the good of the party, blah blah blah. Methinks she was right. Look for an Obama/Clinton ticket right after the VP debate. That way the Dem's will know where Palin stands and then will have Hillary debate her. Obama said "I will not come in second".

Posted by: FYI | September 10, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I think that Senator Clinton should take a well-deserved vacation - she's worked hard enough this year. President Clinton should go with her to keep her company.
Obama and the DNC have made this mess. Let them wallow in it.

Hillary 2012

Posted by: SeattleRN | September 10, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi did not let Hillary upstage her and she won't let Palin upstage her. Come hell or high waterWhen she became the first female Speaker of the House, she was hell-bent on holding on to that "first woman". That is why she endorsed Obama. Nancy is afraid of women. Pelosi is the real backstabber of women. Not the men. Hide and watch folks. You haven't seen vicious until you cross that fake-smile Pelosi.

Posted by: don'tworry | September 10, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but to say Palin's church might be dangerous when Obama listened to THIS crazy loon for 20 years. now anyone who votes for him is uneducated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABoc7F9pUR0&feature=related

Posted by: Annoyed | September 10, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I am a white woman who supported Hillary Clinton in the primary, and I supported her VERY strongly. I now support the McCain/ Palin ticket VERY strongly. I have never made my decision to vote based on the choice issue. It is far less important to me than many other issues. On the economy, neither McCain nor Obama has a clue. Obama, regardless of his promises, cannot fulfill what he says. There just aren't the funds to do it. On the other side, McCain's saying he will keep the tax cuts steady and try to help businesses so they can inut capital into the economy. A decent plan, but it won't get us out of this mess. Neither one of them has a realistic plan, or if they do, they need to articulate it better. I do not see it. So what does that leave? Security. I trust John McCain to protect us. I do not trust Obama to do the same. John McCain was a POW who was totured for years. Obama wilts in a campaign, or at least he has been in the GE. Who would any reasonable person choose to have their finger on the nuclear trigger? For me, John McCain. People will say Sarah Palin is not prepared and John McCain might die because he is old. Both true. Then what? Barack Obama could have some terrible, unforseen tragedy. Then what? In either case, we would have the VP. I do not trust Joe Biden any more than I do Sarah Palin. One thing I know for sure about Biden. He has been pretty much wrong on every foreign policy decision he has made. Sarah Palin? She was the governor of Alaska negotiating with foreign powers about domestic oil production. From what I have seen, and I have done a lot of research, she has made reasonable, fair-minded decisions. I will take her just as much as Biden, maybe more. Also, I absolutely love Sarah Palin. She is a fantastic person and I adore her. Sure, there is a little "girl power." You go, girl! I do not care that we do not see eye to eye on the choice issue. What I do know is that she has solid beliefs, and she practices them. I would much rather have a leader with whom I disagree, but that has pricipled positions, than someone with whom I agree but I never know if they are shooting straight. As for what Hillary can do? Nothing. I can't vote for her. Barack Obama made sure of that. It was a REALLY dumb move, and one that, to me, questions his judgment to be POTUS. He chose ego over the eighteen million Hillary Clinton supporters, and chose a man who came in last place in the primary. REALLY, REALLY DUMB MOVE. So, Hllary will campaign, women who supported her and value choice above all other issues will vote for Obama, and the rest of us will try to make our own history by making Sarah Palin, the first working mother, the Vice President of the United States. In my heart of hearts, I believe Hillary understands.

Posted by: McCain/Palin Supporter | September 10, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

wheres the spellchecter

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The past two presidential elections were decided in states that had republican secretaries of state, republican company made voting machines and republican company proprietaty software running the machines.
Which state will it be this time?

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I completed respect what Hillary has done so far: stayed on issues. Democrats in the zeal to win back the whitehouse has pushed for a what they thought as a would-be more popular albeit questionable experience Obama and roll over Hillary very unfairly. It's very respectable of her being gracious enough to support Obama and staying on issue. Attacking Palin would be highly inappropriate. Whatever political difference between the parties, people should put the country first. The media, the Obama supporters have been worked hard for a year and half trying to sensationalize the campaign to put Obama's ego first. That's really the biggest turn off to me. Personally I think Obama as a fine person though with flaws just like everybody else, and inexperienced. It's the unfair attack from the media and Obama supporters on Hillary that make me vote Republican this year, when I normally vote democrats as independent.

Posted by: independent heart | September 10, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"You arrogant ass! You've killed us!" So said the executive officer of a Soviet submarine to his captain in Tom Clancy's novel "The Hunt for Red October" after the captain had recklessly fired a torpedo that homed in on his own sub.
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"You arrogant ass! You've killed us!" So said Bill Clinton to his Democratic nominee in the real life drama "The Hunt for the new Messiah" after the nominee had recklessly spurned the logical choice who had earned the right to be his running mate on a "dream ticket."

Posted by: Cincinnati Rick | September 10, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

If Mrs. Clinton is going to do everything she can to see Mr. Obama into office, she can start by questioning Sarah Palin on her extreme views... like the fact that, to Mrs. Palin, teenage pregnancy in her own family is a private matter (which it is) but believes the government should decide what's best for the reproductive rights of all private female citizens; an issue not about her daughter, but about double-standards.

Mrs. Clinton should question Mrs. Palin's possibly extremist religious views having been a member of a church with a pastor who actively wants to see the rapture - the end of the world - and believes the war in Iraq is God's will; this is an unsavory combination of beliefs to have a finger on "the button".

Mrs. Clinton should question Mrs. Palin's proven pork-barrel spending in Alaska, and subsequent denial of such.

Mrs. Clinton should question why Mrs. Palin won't give any on-the-record interviews without hand-picked journalists.

Sarah Palin is a compelling woman, for sure, and it would be wonderful to see a woman in the White House, but we need to know who would be at the helm if McCain, as President, should fall in the line of duty.

Mrs. Clinton needs to be on the offense for Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama should concentrate on questioning the all-too-familiar policies of Mr. McCain.

Posted by: Seth Asa | September 10, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

i agree

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Any responsible citizen who cares about the truth and this country (including the journalists) should be outraged by the McCain campaign's smear attack on various distractions such as the lipstick statement. Let's hold the McCain campaign accountable for what really matters, the economy, Iraq, health care, America's standing in the world.

Your duty to the country is the duty to vote against McCain.

Posted by: anna | September 10, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will make sure she is seen to be helping Obama but really she will do as little as possible without letting it seem so. She has eyes on a bigger prize... 2012. Hillary will be back and she is counting on you NOT to vote for Obama so she has a shot. Just you wait and see. I wonder who she will be voting for... I'd love to see.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should make a trip to each state where the female vote seems to be attracted to Palin and where there is a good democrat base and make a strong speech that does not demean Palin but suggests the number of truly experienced, smart, and intellectually capable people there are who would make good vice presidents. Palin, she would point out, would not be on that list.

Posted by: Richard McDonough | September 10, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Take a chill pill. Relax.

Despite the negative chatter from the media about the polls (which HuffPo pointed out are dramatically gamed against O because of their reliance on landphones and oversampling the other side), even the most conservative polls show O up in the electoral count.

Significantly, those counts assume he loses both Ohio and Virginia, which is unlikely. And Palinmania will die down after she finally submits to a legitimate interview about the major issues (no, a sitdown with Charlie Gibson is not a legitimate interview).

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs every vote he can get. white black man woman gay straight. Dont forget, the republicans control most of the voting machines and the software that runs them. Any more pig jokes?

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh gosh, here come the lies again!!! Don't you guys ever get tired of lying??? Hillary CLinton never backed McCain in the Democratic primary. What kind of nonsense is that??? McCain is a Republican. She was gracious,which is standard politics, when he clinched his nomination.

You really think people are THAT stupid, don't you. Well, go to your Rovian masters and tell ' em this from me and many others: it ain't working this time!!!! The lies, the smoke and mirrors, the nonissues ain't gonna fly any more than PIGS are. And yes, that is an expression that I am sure even you Karl Rove-trained, talking point blogging boobs are well aware of.

Try and come up with some issues your party can successfully address, if you can. I , for one, am not holding my breath.

Posted by: soccer mama | September 10, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

What people fail to realize is that if people can vote for George Bush twice then what stops them from voting for McCain who is clearly much better than Bush. you Dems think Obama can save the world but you're forgetting about the many millions who wont be voting for such an inexperienced and lacking Presidential nominee such as obama. He cant handle interviews, Hillary always wiped the floor with him in debates and yet STILL she was given the boot. I dont see why Obama couldnt have waited a few more years, given Hillary a go what with all her experience and himself, had time to gain some. Greedy. Powerhungry guy, he thinks 3 years in senate qualifies him to lead our country and all he does now is attck the woman running for VP instead of focusing on the guy running AGAINST him for the top job. What does all this say for his judgement? Foolish. And dont want another foolish President.

Posted by: Bobby | September 10, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary should just go to Africa with her husband for his charity work and not return back until the Thanks Giving day.

Posted by: Roger | September 10, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

You can attack Palin all you like but what does it say when the Democratic VP nominee even says Hillary might have been better than him. What a JOKE. Obama should take him to task for that comment.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/10/biden-on-clinton-she-might-have-been-a-better-pick-than-me.aspx

Posted by: Benandjerry | September 10, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton really loves this country, she has got to get more aggressive about supporting Obama and stating in plain English what Palin represents, and why no woman in her right mind would vote for that ticket.

Read my lips: SUPREME COURT!!!

Posted by: auramac | September 10, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should keep her nose out of it. Obama doesnt need help from women like her. He knew he didnt need her and he still doesn't. Should he have chosen her just coz she's a woman to keep the women voters? I dont thinky so. No body even likes Hillary, she's sneaky and sly and i'm glad she's not got the oportuity to be be vice president let alone president.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

How does lipstick get on a pig?

Sarah Palin kisses his wrinkly white haired head.

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is going to do what she's going to do.....as it should be.

What we, as Americans should be doing is worrying about is Mr. McCain not making it through his term, if elected, and the idea of Mrs. Palin trying to lead this country when she can't even handle a news conference and has zero experience with the issues of the day.

Grow up and get real, America. Our enemies are laughing and the joke is definitely on us.

Posted by: Cyrus Clarke | September 10, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama said Abortion was above his pay-grade. i'd love to know what question is worthy of a committed answer from him. The guy failed to vote 40% of the time in his 3 years at Senate and he wants to be President?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Why should Hiliary do anything as if she's the end all be all to this campaign? McCain gets himself a woman to jump start his campaign and fight his battles, the next I know folks are up in arms, thinking Hiliary is superwoman. Truth be told, I'm sick of that crap too with the push for HRC to go after Palin. If HRC isn't sincere about supporting Obama, she doesn't need to do it.

Posted by: Too Wired | September 10, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Hillary might pick up a cabinet post in a mccain administration. you know, the token maverick action while business as usual continues.

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Why should Hillary do Anything for Obama? Look how he and the Democrats treated her and spurned the 18 million who voted for her as if her votes meant nothing.

And to the person who said:

"Can someone who is against Obama give an example of when he was sexist, or condescending, or even mean-spirited, during the primary, or in the gen. election thus far??? Don't give me what the media says, give me examples of what has come out of his mouth that offends you!!

You might want to read the following article where Obama called his grandmother a "typical white person". What do You think he believes a "typical white person" to be?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/21/ferraro-offended-by-comparison-to-pastor-wright/

Posted by: Rebeeca | September 10, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Forget Hillary. She needs to back off and let Obama deal with his own mess. Am I the only one in this country who thinks that the Democratic nominee for President is on the payroll of Osama Bin Laden?

Posted by: Hoyt W. | September 10, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

During the primaries, when Senator Clinton attempted to make the case why she was a stronger candidate by saying that Senator Obama was week in the key states such as OH, PA, etc, Senator Obam discounted her argument as merely a fluke and that Senator Clinton's voters would surely move in his direction once she is no longer in the race.

Once he has clinched the Democratic Nomination, Senator Obama declined to chose Senator Clinton, partly believing he could win without her assistance and partly because he just did not know how to co-exist with Former President Clinton.

Now, it may be difficult for Senator Obama to seek Senator Clinton's assistance. Doing so may indicate that he was wrong in selecting Senator Biden and that he is incapable of drawing the voters on his own.

Posted by: saddlepack maker | September 10, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse


Keep supporting him but watch him drop like a rock and wait for 2012.

Hillary tried to tell the DNC, but they just don't GET IT.

Posted by: Chicago1 | September 10, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will be what 67 or 68 in 2016? Thats pretty old for a man or woman to be running for president. 2012 is probably her last chance. Obama has to lose for her to win the partys nomination next election.

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Too late. HRC is already seen as the spoiler, a kind of George Wallace in a pants suit. Her support in the AA community (once about 96 percent for Bill in the old days) is estimated at about 10-15 percent and that's probably high.

No AAs, except some AA appointed and elected officials who have to and some Uncle Bens, say anything good about her. Don't believe me? Listen to any AA radio show (try it, you'll like it). Her support among Progressives is probably lower.

A Democrat can't run for President with those numbers. Her best bet is to get in the fight to help O win instead of camapigning against him, and snag a Supreme Court seat or ambassadorship. For her, the presidency is gone for good.
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If hillary runs in 2012 she will need all the african american support she can get. It is important not to be viewed as the spoiler of 2008 for Obama. By contrast she cannot be too supportive so as to cause Obama to win since she would not get the partys nomination.
This explains her half hearted support for Obama and her lack of criticism for Governor Palin.

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 9:01 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

While some Obama supporters genuinely seem interested in party unity and welcome former Clinton supporters, too many are nasty and insulting to those who supported Senator Clinton's run. That is driving many who might have supported Obama to McCain. Simply put, many don't like Obama supporters and are tired of being maligned. If you are truly an Obama supporter, try to look this from another point of view--the race was close and she had just as much right as Obama to run, although some folks don't seem to think so. Indeed, her candidacy was just as important to women, who've been oppressed just as African-Americans have. The point is, there was reason for celebration for both camps, and the nasty backbiting won't help Democrats win. Democrats in '08!

Posted by: Tina | September 10, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I find it very strange that no one has said anything about Obama running as an african american. I say that he dishonored his white mother, who he claims to miss very much and to whom he owe`s everthing.Every white woman should at least be somewhat offended. I would have most certainly voted for him if he had been honest and run as the bi racial that he is.If he had just said " I am not running as a black american, I am not running as a white american, I am running as an american,I would have been very proud to vote for him, but because of his inability to do this, I will not be voting for a president for the first time in my 78 years.

Posted by: Robert E. Maxwell | September 10, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

O loss in 2008 = no HRC in 2012, 2016, 2020, or 2024 (when the last few Hillarians go into permanent exile to subsist on nuts and pants suit juice). So HRC, get with it, stop the foolishness, and engage and challenge Palin on the campaign trial and TV. Or go home. When do her antics stop?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

If hillary runs in 2012 she will need all the african american support she can get. It is important not to be viewed as the spoiler of 2008 for Obama. By contrast she cannot be too supportive so as to cause Obama to win since she would not get the partys nomination.
This explains her half hearted support for Obama and her lack of criticism for Governor Palin.

Posted by: seems to me | September 10, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Why do John McCain and Sarah Palin lie so much?


I guess that is the Christian in them.

Posted by: TRUE CHRISTIAN | September 10, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Clark Kent = Superman
Bruce Wayne = Batman
John Reid = Lone Ranger
"Thomas Paine" = scrivener ??????

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

DEAR BROTHER MUSLIMS:

GEORGE W. BUSH HAS BROUGHT AMERICA TO ITS KNEES!!!!

1. Republican George Bush was president on Sept 11, 2001 when he allowed America to be attacked.

2. Republican George Bush lied to start a war that has killed 4500 Americans in Iraq!

3. Republican George Bush increased the number of countries with Al Quieda cells from 4 to more than 60 since Sept 11, 2001.

4. Republican George Bush squandered 220 years of American goodwill and integrity in less than 2 years after he allowed America to be attacked on Sept 11, 2001.

5. Republican George Bush has destroyed the American economy!

6. REpublican George Bush destroyed the American trust by his constant lies and secrecy.


TODAY BROTHER MUSLIMS WE CAN PUT A DAGGER THROUGH THE HEART OF THE GREAT SATAN AMERICA! JOIN ME AND MY BROTHER REPUBLICANS AND VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN!

The Republican Traitors McCain and Palin are continuing the lies and deceit just as Republican George Bush has done for the past 8 years. We can expect more of the same lies and deciet with these traitors!

AGAIN I IMPLORE MY MUSLIM BROTHERS TO RISE UP AND DESTROY AMERICA!!! VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN!!! VOTE TO KILL THE GREAT SATAN. VOTE TRAITOR MCCAIN AND TRAITOR PALIN!!! TOGETHER WE CANNOT FAIL! WE WILL DESTROY AMERICA AND WE CAN THANK TRAITOR MCCAIN AND TRAITOR PALIN AND THE TRAITOR REPUBLICANS!!!!! OUR TIME HAS COME BROTHER MUSLIMS. WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF WINNING THE GREAT WAR AGAINST THE GREAT SATAN!! WE ARE GOING TO DESTROY AMERICA!!!!

ALLAH AKBAR BROTHER MUSLIMS!!!!!!

ALLAH AKBAR BROTHER REPUBLICANS!!!!

DESTROY AMERICA!!!! VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN GOD WILLING!!!!!


Posted by: DEVOUT MUSLIM | September 10, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I am one of many who has now switched support from Obama to McCain. MCain's pick of Palin may have been a political move, but it also helped me realize Obama's arrogance and over-confidence in his decision to NOT choose Hillary as his running mate. I'm sure everyone here would agree that an Obama-Hillary ticket would have been a definite winner. No one can dispute this. But, what does it say about Obama when he chose NOT to pick her? His popularity went to his head and he thought he did not need her to win. Frankly, I am absolutely loving this role reversal of media celebrity and I think it servers Obama right.

Posted by: JN | September 10, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

That's bunk. This bigoted junk is tiresome. You weren't going to vote for O under any circumstances because he's, er, left-handed. Not picking Hillary as vp had nothing to do with it.

Give me a break. Hillary would have lost him votes and could not have won him any states he wouldn't have won anyway. Plus Hillary could not have helped against Palin. Palin is Mary Tyler Moore; Hillary is Rose Marie.

If Hillary had simply stood down after she had lost, as every losing primary candidate has in the last 200 years of elections, Obama could have pivoted to face his opponent much earlier. Instead she race-baited the guy up to the convention and would have destroyed the convention had not Charlie Rangel stepped in for an emergency intervention.

Her "deranged narcissism" (as Jeff Toobin termed it) has cost O valuable time. And, as Maureen Dowd hints at in her columns, she continues to actively campaign against him directly and through TV surrogates. And it's no secret she and Bill are openly rooting against him.

Forget having her on the campaign trail to remind folks of her 125 grievances. O needs to tell her, as Katherine Hepburn told the bigot in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," "Don't say anything, just go."

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Senator Clinton is a better woman than I could be under the circumstances. Senator Obama would have had this election in the bag had he selected Senator Clinton. He has himself to blame for everything he is going through. For the first time in my adult life I am ashamed of the candidate we have nominated in the Democratic Party. I am voting for Senator McCain and Govenor Palin.


Posted by: cb | September 10, 2008 5:03 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

If Joe Biden isn't really into being VP, Hillary should step in. Biden would make an excellent Secretary of State. Hillary is an excellent campaigner. There's a month and a half left. Give them what they are not expecting. I've decided that Steve Schmidt is playing by Sun Tzu's rules; Dems should too.

Further, having Hillary on the ticket will ensure attention to health care.

A Hillary/Biden switch would hit the ground running. Think about it. Hillary and Barack know each other like the back of one another's hands. If successful, it would be not only in both of their interests, but in all of ours too.

Posted by: gamechanger | September 10, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary should just kick back and wait for McCain's invitation to join his bi-partisan cabinet.
We all see that comming.

McCain/Sarah Palin Brokovitch 2008!!!!

Posted by: Bobo4bush | September 10, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Obama just announce Hillary as a appointed member of his potential cabinet, administration, or staff? Wouldn't that take the air out of the Palin baloon?

Posted by: milkplus | September 10, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

What should Hillary do? Who cares? Put a fork in her, she's DONE. She's so over....and Palin is making the history that she never will. She LOST....maybe someday, someday, someone will tell her that. Barack shouldn't give her any job at all. The farther she is from him, the safer-! he'll be. We didn't want Clinton, we don't want her, we never will! Go away. Stay away. Go drag Bill away from whatever woman he's doing these days, and the both of you fade away--forever!!!!!!!

Posted by: Fedup | September 10, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

To "Devout Muslim" Please stay where you are. The FBI will be there shortly. They have no sense of irony.

Posted by: ropadope | September 10, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is more interested in her own self-serving amibition-- sorry Hillary supporters, but some of you are racists voting for McCain. Biden is good enough-- really people. He has a decent record-- better than token Palin-- you know it's true. Don't get fooled again.

Posted by: Franky | September 10, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton, by her current absence, is causing serious harm to this country. I could go on an on, spending time in speculation as to where she is and what she may be up to. The fact is, both Clintons could be countering this charade with some statesmen like responses.

People listen to them; I assume even this 20% of obviously ‘uneducated on the issues’ crowd who have jumped from the torpedoed ship, right into the oil spill that is the McCain campaign. McCain/Palin stray from the truth on a daily basis on the campaign trail. Let’s be candid about their behavior: They are lying straight into the faces of their new adoring fans. I’m going to bet the ones lapping up these fablications, don’t know the difference between a Filibuster and a HungerBuster.

Oil spills do catch fire. They also produce the most searing, palinful and deeply scarring injuries immaginable. As I write, Dana Perino is issuing another terrorist alert of current “plotting and planning” to attack us. Why can’t the average American see through these tactics? This is not the GOP's first dirty rodeo.

Hillary Clinton needs to immediately grab a hose and Bill Clinton needs to man the eqivalent of an abandoned 30 caliber and blast away some sense on what may very well become the next great USS Arizona disaster.

Posted by: SteveKelson | September 10, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

American Press (1776-2008).

One poster did the research. He found there are about 15 active Palin scandals and controversies, including Troopergate, her per-diem scam (having the state pay for her "travel" when she was at home), husband's-best-friend-gate, racial-slur-against-blacks-and Eskimos-gate, dedication to Buchanan's agenda (condemned by the Anti-Defamation League), and the proposal to have Alaska secede from the Union (and fire on Fort Sumter?).

If you go to Alaska, as journalist Charley James did for progressive.com to break racial slur-gate on Sept. 5, they say it is impossible not to find hard evidence on every one of the 15 stories and also bump into about 10 more scandals without trying.

How many of these scandals -- which would be campaign stoppers for any other candidate -- has the MSM covered? Answer: 0. Only the Internet Journalists like Mr. James, HuffPo, Daily Kos are breaking any Palin stories.

Charlie Gibson, who spent the last debate asking BO estate tax questions relating to his (Gibson's) personal financial situation, has already said he is putting almost all her controversies off limits for his upcoming interview. What will Gibson discuss, her lipstick? The weather? Using A-1 sauce on moose burgers?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can walk up to the podium with one beautiful line and then sit down:

"Life is a Miasma of Pain, Confusion, and Loneliness. "

It would blow everybody's mind because its TRUE!!!!!!

Posted by: tt | September 10, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should remind the American people that none of this matters in the long run because Life is a Miasma of Pain, Confusion, and Loneliness.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

DEAR BROTHER MUSLIMS:

GEORGE W. BUSH HAS BROUGHT AMERICA TO ITS KNEES!!!!

1. Republican George Bush was president on Sept 11, 2001 when he allowed America to be attacked.

2. Republican George Bush lied to start a war that has killed 4500 Americans in Iraq!

3. Republican George Bush increased the number of countries with Al Quieda cells from 4 to more than 60 since Sept 11, 2001.

4. Republican George Bush squandered 220 years of American goodwill and integrity in less than 2 years after he allowed America to be attacked on Sept 11, 2001.

5. Republican George Bush has destroyed the American economy!

6. REpublican George Bush destroyed the American trust by his constant lies and secrecy.


TODAY BROTHER MUSLIMS WE CAN PUT A DAGGER THROUGH THE HEART OF THE GREAT SATAN AMERICA! JOIN ME AND MY BROTHER REPUBLICANS AND VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN!

The Republican Traitors McCain and Palin are continuing the lies and deceit just as Republican George Bush has done for the past 8 years. We can expect more of the same lies and deciet with these traitors!

AGAIN I IMPLORE MY MUSLIM BROTHERS TO RISE UP AND DESTROY AMERICA!!! VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN!!! VOTE TO KILL THE GREAT SATAN. VOTE TRAITOR MCCAIN AND TRAITOR PALIN!!! TOGETHER WE CANNOT FAIL! WE WILL DESTROY AMERICA AND WE CAN THANK TRAITOR MCCAIN AND TRAITOR PALIN AND THE TRAITOR REPUBLICANS!!!!! OUR TIME HAS COME BROTHER MUSLIMS. WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF WINNING THE GREAT WAR AGAINST THE GREAT SATAN!! WE ARE GOING TO DESTROY AMERICA!!!!

ALLAH AKBAR BROTHER MUSLIMS!!!!!!

ALLAH AKBAR BROTHER REPUBLICANS!!!!

DESTROY AMERICA!!!! VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN GOD WILLING!!!!!

Posted by: DEVOUT MUSLIM | September 10, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

What should Mrs. Wm. J. Clinton do?
1. Shut up.
2. Fetch coffee
3. Go on donut run
4. Quit campaigning against O
5. Quit rooting against O
5. Call off your harpies on the cable bloviator shows
6. Start challenging Palin on TV and make yourself useful
7. Apologize to O for continuing to campaign against O during the primaries after you had mathematically lost, wasting valuable time and resources he could have used fighting his opponent
8. Ask your fictional 18 million supporters (more like 18 harpies and mentals) to pay you 1 dollar apiece to pay off your debt and quit shaking down Barack for it
9. Lose weight
10.After this is over, retire with the rests of the Hillarians in Borneo in exile, subsisting on pants suit juice, until we send a spotter plane to find you (as one poster kindly advised)
11.Spend quality time with Martina Navratilova, Nancy Lieberman, and Mary Carillo, and Jodie Foster (Ugh) and work it out
12.No, actually forget Nos. 1-11, and just get lost and let the world live again.

Why are we still talking about the Toxic Avenger?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

John McCain and Sarah Palin sure do lie a lot.

That's the Christian in them.

Posted by: I SPAY PITBULLS | September 10, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha ha! McCain & Palin are sure to beat Obama & Biden - and do you know why? Because Obama is not a real American, and Biden is a left-wing wacko who makes crazy statements on a regular basis. The day after the election, I'm gonna celebrate the coming 8 years of McCain/Palin!

Posted by: S. Temper | September 10, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

All of you Palin haters go to great lenghts to say absolutely nothing. Plus you don't get it as to why Palin has inspired the nation. Palin has spent her life in government getting positive things done. She has staked out positions and got them passed into law. The American people can see the difference between politicians that talk and talk (I feel your pain) and one that gets things done. Keep trying, maybe something you come with in your pea brains will stick to Palin. So far, you haven't laid a glove on her and it doesn't look as if you can.

Posted by: Jeff in Orlando | September 10, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin are not right for our country. Palin, obviously, is what they call in the movie business "stunt casting." She has nothing to offer other than she's a woman, and the republicans knew McCain is a loser who needed something big to add a new spin to his campaign. Hence, the Palin nod. Palin didn't get the nomination for any reason other than that. Both McCain and Palin have voted with or agreed with Bush 90% and 97% of the time, respectively. Neither McCain or Palin are "mavericks" and that tired old line that they've used to describe McCain, and now Palin, is just that, TIRED. If both are such "mavericks," I'd like to see one example of such maverick behavior that has helped this country progress into the future. And don't bring up that bridge to nowhere lie. We all know now how Palin was really for the bridge in the first place. We also know she didn't sell a plane on ebay. We also know she didn't really get rid of the cook in the Alaska governors mansion, she just changed the cook's title, yet kept the cook cooking. Not to mention Palin's ethics violations that are being investigated in Alaska. WOW! What a maverick! McCain's voting record for our troops and our veterans is shameful. Do a little internet research to find out. You'll be saddened, angered, and disgusted all at the same time. McCain's voting record on women's issues is equally shameful. McCain's voting record on the environment is shameful. McCain actually wants to make permanent the Bush tax cuts for the top 1% wealthiest people in the U.S., yet McCain and Palin both lie and say it is Obama who will raise taxes, when in fact, it is McCain and Palin who will stick it to the little guy with higher taxes in order to make the fat cats fatter. Hardly mavericks. Not even close. Do a little research people and find out all about this McCain/Palin ticket. This country can't survive another second of republican rule, let alone four more years. The time has come for new blood. The time is now for Obama as president. If you truly put your country first, you'll vote for Obama.

Posted by: Republican4Obama | September 10, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Boy the whole goal of the Republican party is to avoid the issues (obviously any Obama will win if the focus is on the issues) The greediest corporatists in the world have taken over the Republican party. They will make the middle class and the poor poorer. This is not necessarily their goal their goal is to make the top 2-3 % of Americans richer. Unfortunately they have not discovered a way to do this w/o making evryone else poorer. So based on the self interest of the American people not only economically but in their sense of fairness and goodness (remember the destruction of human rights, the acceptance ot torture, the acceptance of pre-emptive war: these all are against what Americans hold near and dear. Do you want more deaths on your conscience as your country is hijacked by war mongers) But what the republicans do is say the issues are not the issues focus instead on devisiveness, focus on non issues like who can get married and how to keep those evil foreigners out. If the American people voted intelligently for their issues it would be a 95/5 landslide for the Democrats in this election. Lets try our best to focus on the issues. Maybe this is what Hillary and Barack are doing by not concentrating on Palin. Anyone with any sense can see she is someone picked for her gender who is way out of her league in this election. She is a non issue but look at all of you discussing anything but the issues while rome burns

Posted by: dave | September 10, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has led thousands of people to believe that Barack Obama did not legitimately win the Democratic nomination for president and that she was denied the nomination because she is a woman. Whatever she might or might not have said or done since June in support of Obama, her party's presidential nominee, she has not said or done anything to counteract the perception, so vigorously cultivated in the heat of her campaign, that the primary results were not legitimate and that all her supporters, women in particular, were cheated."

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT, I REPEAT, NOT TRUE! I followed this whole thing. She never, ever blamed anything on the fact that she was a woman. Only towards the end, when it was, in fact, evident. The Democratic party treated her terribly and got on the Obama wave...they are paying the price now and they can lose this election. I do not want McCain to win and with Palin by his side, God help us! But let's be fair here. Mrs. Clinton convinced me on Obama during the convention and not because I like him. I find him ambitious and ego maniacal but his views and the principles he shares with her are more important. Hillary Clinton is doing her part so hush now...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I am a Hillary supporter, and I will never vote for McCain/Palin. I don't like the lies they tell, for one thing. But Hillary Clinton is just about the exact opposite of Sarah Palin on issues, so I wonder how any Hillary supporter could vote for McCain/Palin.

I don't think that Hillary should do anythihng about Palin, though. Most smart women will ignore a vicious woman. Hillary should, too, and will, no doubt.

Posted by: Lassair | September 10, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I want to say to the HRC supporters that I understand why you are disheartened and angry, I would be too. But please do not take that anger and lash out at Obama, decide with a clear head which candidate is the better one. If you look at McCain's recent changes, you might not support him any longer. In 2000, I was a HUGE McCain supporter and was upset when he lost to Bush. I was excited as we got closer to election time because I had already decided to do everything I could to support him. Then I watched him slowly sell out. He started changing his positions, slowly pandering to the very conservative. When he changed his position on tax cuts, it was like a punch in the gut. When he, the man who was tortured, said he supported waterboarding and other forms of "persuasion", it made me take another look at the man that I once ardently supported. The last straw was his nomination of Palin and the acknowledgement that the Mav sold out. He was no longer an independent thinker or a man that I respected but he sold his soul to the same people who put Bush in office. Although she was not my original candidate, I put my full support behind Hillary. I was hopeful that a strong qualified woman could be the next President. When she was not nominated for VP I was angry with Obama but in nominating Palin, McCain basically slapped all strong qualified women in the face by saying any woman will do instead of going for the best qualified woman. I have faith that Hillary will run in four years or eight. I am not willing to vote for a sellout to see her back in four because if you look at what McCain has become, it will be four more years of the people behind Bush, which could hurt our country beyond repair.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary was on a ticket anywhere I would vote for her hands down. But she is not. I will not vote for Obama. Party unity? The DNC had the ultimate chance to break "all barriers" with an Obama/Clinton or vice versa ticket. They decided who they wanted, not us. Super Delegates must accept the responsibility of the loss of women from 'the Party'.

Hillary should focus on campaigning down ticket to ensure/improve Congressional majority. Obama’s doing what he has always done. Looking for someone else to do the dirty work. Clean up his mess. He is a Momma’s/Grand momma’s boy and with Michelle has always had someone to run interference for him.

He and the DNC expect Hillary to be the ‘cheerleaders’ Mom. Go in and crack some knee caps for Obama when he is not winning to later be blamed and it said ‘no one told her to do it’. No, Obama/DNC dug this hole and they can stay in it.
I will vote for McCain/Palin. And not because Palin has a uterus. The date I decided to vote McCain was June 2, 2008 after reading Mary Sanchez’s article in the KC Star titled “Our future doesn't depend on Hillary”… quote…”I suspect that part of Hillary Clinton believes that she is valiantly carrying on for women everywhere. The irony is, for my generation, we don’t need her to anymore.”
Well guess what ladies the fight is not over and there are damned few Hillary’s out there. Hillary started as a Goldwater Girl. That is how I see Palin. Once she is on the World stage she will evolve just as Hillary did. They will get my vote.

Posted by: Linda | September 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Can someone who is against Obama give an example of when he was sexist, or condescending, or even mean-spirited, during the primary, or in the gen. election thus far??? Don't give me what the media says, give me examples of what has come out of his mouth that offends you!!

Posted by: shayne | September 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

We are such a bias American people. When HRC played the race and sexist cards in the primary, the women loved it. So when Palin was chosen, she followed in HRC's footsteps. She gave a beautiful well articulated speech of lies, put down Obama, and classified herself as a lipstick wearing hockey mom with pit bull characteristics. (In other words, she's an attack dog.) And the whole country/world knows it. She even threw mud at Michelle, after B.Obama had publically said that family was off limits. Too many of the American people do not have a problem with the republican's mud throwing; the fact that so many people are out of work, because the jobs and billions of $$ have been sent over seas. And most of all, too many American people won't admit that McCain wants a continual war, using the fact that he was a 5 year POW, in order to qualify himself as president. Also, putting a woman on his ticket, just to get women votes.
Yes, the democrats see the drop in the polls, because of the prejudices. They are pressuring Barack to get out of character, and fight back using Palin's "pit bull" words.
Barack is still the candidate of integrity. The candidate who really cares about the American people; the candidate who actually discusses the true issues of America, and what he will do to help change those issues.
BARACK OBAMA IS STILL THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - 2008.

Posted by: Nancy Smothers | September 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

So if Obama is a disaster, I'll assume you think McCain represents structure and growth for America??? Hmmmmmmm...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse


Hillary needs to stay as far away from Obama as possible. Obama is a disaster and anyone close to him is going to get burned.

Posted by: reason | September 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

So Mari,

Does it matter that McCain has voted consistantly against womans rights throughout his career? Or does it matter to you as a black woman, if you are telling the truth, that he repeatedly voted against making MLK's birthday a national holiday, and in an election year, goes to a NAACP meeting and say he was wrong??? How do you feel about the reality of both of those issues in reference to character??? And that is just a couple...I have much more!!!

Posted by: shayne | September 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Hi Chris,
My position on what Hillary should do is best summed up by an email I sent her yesterday:

Dear Hillary,
As one of the many people who supported your candidacy - and hope you will run again - I urge you to stop campaigning for Obama. I understand the complications of your situation, but your efforts on his behalf could actually make the difference in getting him elected. And I think that's wrong. Wrong for the country. Wrong for the party. Wrong for you. The list of wrongs in this election season is long enough. Please don't add to it. It was wrong for the Keith Olbermanns in the media to have distorted and influenced the primary in the myriad and yellow journalistic ways they did. It was wrong for the Obama campaign and the media to allow Bill - "the first black President" - to be mischaracterized as racist. OUTRAGEOUS!!! It was wrong for the Al Sharptons to threaten to boycott the party if the superdelegates didn't back Obama. Superdelegates are superdelegates because it's their JOB to vote as they see fit, and not necessarily for who has the higher number of delegates going into the convention! It was wrong to keep the public largely ignorant of that fact. It was wrong for so much misogyny to have gone unchecked by the media - as it is now when pundits question whether Palin can be VP and a mother of five at the same time. Please don't add to that by attacking her on Obama's behalf. Your legacy means more than the campaign debt he's supposedly trying to help you with. If he's promised you a position in his cabinet if elected, can you even trust him to deliver??? He promised McCain he'd accept public campaign financing if he became the nominee, but reneged when he realized the kind of money-raising ability he had. Not my idea of integrity. And not the kind of politician we need to get us out of the labyrinthine mess our country is in. It's wrong that the Olbermanns pretended it was wrong to ask Obama what he was doing in a church for twenty years with a pastor who stokes his parishioners' hatred and anger. It was doubly wrong for people to say "Oh, that's just a black thing". I attend a church with a black pastor. He gets loud sometimes. He's passionate. He rants. But he NEVER says things like "Bill was riding dirty!" or "911 was America’s chickens coming home to roost". It isn't a pastor's job to say such things. We know the world is corrupt. We know it can be hard and unfair. A person of the cloth is there to guide people away from their anger and fear and resentment about these things and toward forgiveness. It's simply wrong for the media or anyone else to pretend that Obama didn't have serious questions to answer there. Finally, it's wrong for the party to ask us so-called disgruntled Hillary supporters to support the person who was too petty and/or politically greedy to share the ticket with someone who got 18 million votes in the primary - YOU. You said numerous times publicly that you would accept the VP spot. Taking you at your word, it was wrong for Obama to give it to someone else. The people spoke. The ticket should have been shared. Obama/Clinton would have been a stronger ticket than Obama/Biden. Period. Given that, I can see no good reasons for Obama to thumb his nose at the 18 million who voted for you. If he is so committed to getting us out of Iraq, fixing the tax system, creating universal health care, etc., he would have put aside his personal grievances and done what was needed to assure victory. He didn't do that. So please stop asking us to. When you and other Democrats say McCain will be "another four years of Bush", I cringe at the dishonesty. The tragedy of Bush was far less about his policies than his shortcomings as a person. John McCain is a man of character. His claims of "reaching across the aisle" throughout his career are well-supported (e.g. the McCain/Feingold bill, his opposition to the "nuclear option" which would have abolished the filibuster rule in congress at a time when both houses were Republican controlled, etc.). That type of “country-first” politics will be a welcome change from the past eight miserable years of Bush/Cheney. If America can't have you now, it should wait. In the meantime, we're better off with a Republican "maverick" who puts principle over partisanship than a Democrat who suddenly needs the person he derided for a year to help him unite the party. McCAIN 2008!, HILLARY 2112!

Sincerely,
Zack D.

Posted by: Zack | September 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has led thousands of people to believe that Barack Obama did not legitimately win the Democratic nomination for president and that she was denied the nomination because she is a woman. Whatever she might or might not have said or done since June in support of Obama, her party's presidential nominee, she has not said or done anything to counteract the perception, so vigorously cultivated in the heat of her campaign, that the primary results were not legitimate and that all her supporters, women in particular, were cheated.

That behavior set the stage for the Republicans to appeal to these "cheated" Clinton supporters by nominating ANY WOMAN for Vice President. As if to make sure there is no doubt on that point, ANY WOMAN has been referring directly to Clinton, repeating one of Clinton's favorite metaphors, and promising that women's White House prospects are not over for this election cycle after all.

To claim, as Howard Wolfson has done, that Clinton "won't -- and shouldn't go negative on Palin," is laughable. Simple logic dictates that the Clinton who uttered so many speeches referring wistfully to all the needy people who have inspired her career in public service and bullet-pointing the details of all the programs she designed to help those needy people would waste no time before knocking ANY WOMAN off the pedestal Clinton herself built.

The particular ANY WOMAN the Republicans have chosen to hoist onto Clinton's pedestal opposes every program Clinton has ever thought of, even though she probably hasn't heard of most of them.

The enactment of ANY WOMAN's beliefs, which, by the way, has been her style of governing to date, would immediately elevate the status of most forms of life, with the possible exception of polar bears, above the status of women. The collection of cells, for example, formed by the intersection of a rapist's sperm with a rape victim's unsuspecting egg, would immediately have higher status than the rape victim.

Hillary Clinton should do whatever she wants to do, as I'm sure she will. However, her decision to allow ANY WOMAN to stand on the stage Clinton herself set, spouting the lines Clinton herself wrote, as part of an effort to ensure that we never achieve universal health care, that we continue to widen the gap between wealthy Americans and Americans who struggle to take care of our families, that we rob women of the right to decide what happens to our own bodies, that we privatize everything from public education to social security, that we send our children to Iraq to die until we "win" without ever defining "win". . . Hillary Clinton's decision to allow this use of her platform for these purposes tells us everything we need to know about her.

Posted by: DoTheMath | September 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm a registered Democrat who is black and female. This election I am voting for McCain/Palin. My suggestion to Hillary a few days ago is to quit campaigning for Obama. Michelle Obama said that she is proud to be an american for the first time in her life. It's obvious. She has done nothing for humanity. Take a look at the life of Cindy McCain who has so much money she could afford to sit still and enjoy, yet she has been such a humanitarian, both at home and abroad. Yes - inspite of her mistakes (we all make them) that's the kind of 'First Lady' Americans can be proud of. Yes - I want to see the young lady from Kosovo in the White House. I'm voting McCain.

Posted by: Mari | September 10, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Wombraider,
Did you actually read what I wrote?

I think you must have been responding to someone else, there was nothing hateful in my comments, my beliefs are with the Democrats and I believe I stated that if your beliefs align with McCain-Palin then that is who you should vote for, but to base your decision on the issues.

You sound a little defensive, but that seems to be the republican stance right now though ... now that was a jab!! :)

I could say alot more about your comments (and your writing abilities), but it is not really worth my time and effort, i've said what I wanted to say.

Democrates, don't let the republicans divide what was unified during the convention. Please think before you vote! :)

God bless all!!

Posted by: angelgirl33 | September 10, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Listen up all you HRC supporters who think it's in her interest if Obama loses. I supported her to the end. She was the better candidate. But if she does not do everything in her power to keep us from being saddled with 4 more years of the Republican stupidity that is ruining our lives, I will be joining the "ABC" party - anybody but Clinton. I will not be alone in this. She is the best antidote to the dangerous game Republicans are playing, for their own selfish interests. If she is worthy of being President, she should understand her responsibility to her nation on this one. It goes beyond party. She knows better than anyone how dangerous to our national interests it will be if McCain and Palin win. She owes her supporters everything she can do to prevent that disaster.

Posted by: Nomo Stew | September 10, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

TomB,
Thanks for your input. I am from the south too and that is why I am not offended. The fact remains that they don't say it to each other but use it as a discrediting tool. Either way it takes us away from the real issues like health care, economy and the real threat to America that is not Iraq.

Perhaps as a mere former Community Organizer with a Harvard Law Degree, Obama should just plead total ignorance. Then again, perhaps McCain's age, his God-fearing, flag-waving, exploitation of patriotism will find us justifying his smears.

Either way, I'm still proud to be a southern, Christian democrat and I am happy we live in a country where we can voice our opinions.

Posted by: Peakmom | September 10, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has shouted; "COUNTRY FIRST!!!", on his soap box from the inception of his campaign. He even accused Barack Obama of being willing to lose a war to in order to win an election, as if that is not repulsive enough. Now, Mr. McCain Chooses Sarah Palin as his VP selection. Let's bring this together.... Barack Obama chose Sen. Biden, which has mega foreign policy experience,national experience, and knows Washington. Sarah Palin has absolutely no foreign policy, or even national experience politically, does not have any familiararity with the way Washington works, and is involved in a ethics scandal! So John McCain can look Americans in the eye and tell us he puts country first? And if he was elected at 72 years of age, with a history of skin cancer, he would be comfortable with leaving Mrs. Palin as the Commander in Chief of this nation, with all the International-National turmoil that is going on in the world today????? You have got to be fricken kidding me!!!! All he did was to try to trump Sen. Obama's strong VP selection in Sen. Biden, by picking Gov. Palin due to her being a woman, and being willing to put our country in a situation where it could be left to the most unqualified person ever to hold the VP position!!!! IS THAT COUNTRY FIRST???????

Posted by: shayne | September 10, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

White women voted for Bush in 2004 because he and the people that wind him up each morning led us to believe we were protecting our families from terrorists, plain and simple. The fact that as intelligent women we were duped by a man with less brains than a carrot does not escape us. Believe me, it won't happen again. The McCain/Palin refusal to deliver more than insults, insults my intelligence in every way possible.

Hillary needs to be unshakeable in her reiteration of what she's said in the following context before, "were all those votes for me or for what I stand for? She knows how to get to voters.

Barack's ratings will climb again when she speaks - and Florida's delegates are going to need to embrace every word.

Posted by: terri t | September 10, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Biden was a good pick, I just think Sen. Clinton should be much, much more aggressive towards McCain and Palin!!!

Posted by: shayne | September 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Yada, yada, listen...
Hillary couldn't be the Veep and then be president in 2012 or 2016. Jeesh, you guys please pay attention!!
Obama chose Joe Biden. I've always liked Joe. He's a man who gets things done & his knowledge of foreign affairs is unmatched in this election.
Hillary will extol his merits and anyone who doesn't already know, will realize that he could easily step into the position of POTUS in a heartbeat.
Obama/Biden gets my vote, my husband's vote, my neighbor's vote, my mother's vote...Oh, and just so the polls know, we're all white, middle class and the women are between the ages of 35 & 70.

Posted by: Peakmom | September 10, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Dear Peakmom,

Given that I am from the south I am VERY familiar with the statement from Obama. If you listen to his entire comment it is VERY clear he was slamming Palin and McCain. The crowd knew it as well. They also knew it today in Norfolk VA where he commented on it.

We all know how it was meant. Mudslinging on both sides has hit astronomic proportions. I really can't understand why anyone runs for office anymore.

If you remember Obama gave it to HRC as well on more than one occassion

Posted by: TomB | September 10, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is hyper-emotional right now about their candidates. But when the smoke clears, around this time next year, if McCain happens to win, anyone who remotely aligns themselves with the democratic party, is going to find themselves and this nation, in an extremely bad position, and involved in a war that everyone fears...W.W.III !!
I submit to Hilliary Clinton that she needs to engage in this fight at least as aggressively as she did against Sen. Obama. I feel she is sincere when she says that this country comes first to her, but it will show in an all out effort against John McCain and Sarah Palin. They are trying to capitalize, and ride on the momentum that Hillary Clinton had towards the end of the election, and she can stop that cold in its tracks!!! Sen. Obama has a proven record for voting for womans rights, and John McCain has a consistent history of voting against womans rights, and veterans right for that matter, and that is a fact, and a matter of record!!! Why are we even questioning which candidate to support??? Sen.Clinton, This is a call to action for you to really show your fighting spirit, which we all know you have, and engage McCain, and Palin in the most aggresive, but fair and issue driven next seven weeks of this campaign. Make them focus so much attention on you Sen. Clinton, that they can't put out the substanceless issues that they are right now. Get out there and get Sen. Obama's back!! He would have yours!!! I know you have our country's interest at heart, and we all have to much to lose!!!!! Thank you Hillary!!

Posted by: Shayne | September 10, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Dear angelgirl33,

I always love when poeple like you post. The "supposedly well educated successful woman" who needs to save all of us from the EVIL Republicans who are all war mongers and care nothing for the poor and sick.

Republicans come from every part of this country with all edication and socio-economic conditions. We are all not rich or EVIL despite what you think.

Bush is NOT THE DEVIL you think he is. Terrorism is a definate threat to the USA. If you had any background in it and actually knew ANY of the facts behind the scences you might realize that. Most of what is done to protect your freedoms you never hear about. And, trust me something is done every day.

Basically both parties and ALL people want the best for the country they just have a different view-point on how to get there.

1 party thinks you are smart and intelligent enough to best keep and spend your money how you see fit.

The other thinks you are too stupid to do the right thing with your money and you need to give it to the Govt so they can do for you what you can't or won't do for yourself.

Pick the one that best represents who you are.. stupid or smart?

Posted by: Wombraider | September 10, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

TomB
Oh my. I do hope you understand that the pig & the lipstick comment is an old saying that many people have used.
Of course I sincerely hope you have seen the footage of McCain saying it when he referred to HRC's health care plan of 1993. It's an expression that was not used against Palin personally (unlike the very personal attacks she has personally thrown).

I must admit to actually cheering aloud when the video of McCain saying the same thing came out and it cleared Obama of sexism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPYkNQlJMM

Posted by: Peakmom | September 10, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton is a better woman than I could be under the circumstances. Senator Obama would have had this election in the bag had he selected Senator Clinton. He has himself to blame for everything he is going through. For the first time in my adult life I am ashamed of the candidate we have nominated in the Democratic Party. I am voting for Senator McCain and Govenor Palin.

Posted by: cb | September 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

What shouls Hillary do?

Thank the Palin family for their sacrifice in our Nations' defense and wish her son "God speed" in his deployment to Iraq.
That way in 2012 Hillary will be remembered as a class act and not a vile attack dog.

"Dear Mr. Obama"--------BE SURE TO LISTEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH


Hi, My son, Joe, just did a commercial for John McCain.

Please pass this on.

Thanks
Bob Cook


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

What's the probability of it happening? ZILCH,NADA ,ZIP.

Posted by: rtfanning | September 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Even the title of this "What should Hillary do?" is offensive. Hillary should do whatever she wants to do. The media should leave her alone. Haven't you people had enough fun picking her apart for about 5 months?

In my opinion, she should not lower herself to attack Palin. Obama picked Biden as his "pit bull". He has to live with that choice.

I'm sure the media will try to find some way to blame Obama's eventual loss on the Clintons. The media has treated Obama like a privileged child who must be shielded from all harm. Guess what? Politics are dirty, & nobody is dirtier than the GOP. They want to win, & they now can smell it. They will give Obama more than he can handle. And because his ego didn't allow him to pick Hillary as his VP, he doesn't have her fighting for him & her 18 million voters are no longer unified. And if he had picked Hillary, Sarah Palin would still be up in Alaska doing whatever it is she was doing up there as Governor.

Posted by: SA | September 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is elected all we have to do is my name... that is all any of us will be doing. Taking one for the team... right in the back side.

Enough said!

Posted by: Ben Dover | September 10, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone ever stop to think for one moment that maybe Hillary did not want the VP slot? If she got the VP slot it would negatively impact her ability to run in 2012 -- No VP has ever run a campaign against their own incumbent's run for 2nd term. Did anyone also stop to think that maybe her and Obama have something worked out should he get elected, like maybe the supreme court or something?

Everyone is so caught up in that woman are being mistreated during this year's primaries and general election, and I as a woman, successful in my own right, am completely offended by this. If any woman wants to run for a political office they need to run as a person and not the fact that they are a woman and should not receive any special treatment, everyone in the political arena gets trashed, questioned, ridiculed, personal life becomes public, comes under scrutiny etc. I have not heard anything that has been sexist throughout these elections, I have only heard the media and "the american people" turn and twist comments so that they appear sexist or whatever.

I really wish everyone could get past this nonesense and focus on the fact that our country is in trouble and we need a President that is going to fix what the last 8 treacherous years of the Bush Administration. If anyone really listened to Obama/Biden with an open mind instead of hate and a resentment that their candidate did not make the ticket, you would see that they are not in anyway sexist to women, and that many of the issues Hillary has been tirelessly working and fighting for are the same as what Obama/Biden stand for.

As for you women who decided you are going to vote republican because Hillary is not the Presidential or Vice Presidential nominee for the Democratic party ... why don't you base your decision on the issues and not the gender, ethnic or religious background etc. their is a vast contrast between McCain's policies and Obama's (and Hillary's)policies.

Those of you so willing to join the republicans obviously did not support Hillary for the right reasons and are not giving her the respect she deserves as a politician, and a person who firmly believes in everything the Democrats stand for, so much so that she is out there marching for Obama, not sitting at home with a chip on her shoulder, throwing a temper tantrum and yelling "I am going to vote for McCain". Also, seriously, you think Hillary would run on the same ticket as McCain, have any of you read the what each of the candidates platforms are??

If you want to show respect for Hillary show a little respect for yourselves by basing your decision with a little intellect, thought and willingness to stand by what you believe (if you know what that is). If you were a supporter of Hillary then I don't see what you have against Obama being that they had very similar platforms, there were very few differences. I cannot understand how any of you can equate Palin to Hillary -- she is no Hillary, not by a mile and their stances are so very, very different (completely different).

If you are so worried about women's place in this world, start by making decision based on understanding the state of our nation and having a say as to how you think it could be better -- based on specific issues -- don't base your decision on wether or not a female is on the ticket, a female who is basically a female version of G.W. Bush -- she is an extreme right wing person in her beliefs. If her beliefs truly align with yours then you should vote McCain-Palin (or Palin-McCain).

Everyone should really be aligning themselves more with the Presidential candidate and not so much the VP, I cannot ever remember an election where the VP got so much attention, remember people it is McCain at the top of the ticket not Palin. Yes, she needs to be qualified, because let's face it McCain isn't getting any younger, but still McCain needs to start debating the issues with Obama and stop all of the whining, finger pointing, lying (he cannot seem to understand his opponents tax policy), and twisting word and hiding behind Palin -- is this what we should expect should he get elected, do the republicans even know who they are really voting for??

Posted by: angelgirl33 | September 10, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Hillary ran and didn't make it, for whatever reason. Done. Finished. I would have voted for her with a song in my heart, but now we have Obama as our candidate and he has my full support and here's why:

We have a much bigger problem than sexism among Democrats - we have an old, hyper-amibitious man who has chosen to abandon everything he said he stood for in an effort to acquire the Presidency and show his daddy what he was really made of. His running mate is an underqualified, politically questionable religious zealot who will work beautifully with Rick Davis and Karl Rove to marginalize whatever decency and honor is left in McCain after being a Republican for 26 years. If McCain attains the Presidency he will be as in the loop as Bush was/is with Cheney actually running the show.

So, can we be big boys and girls and put our sense of personal injury and affront in our hip pockets, because we have a country to win back - and this isn't about you, it's about all of us.

Posted by: Barbara Shanks | September 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I am a registered Repub. and I am thankful that Hillary was not picked by Obama. If he was smart he would have picked her and the election would have been over.

She is a true powerhouse and earns the respect of ALL Dem's and quit a few Repubs and definately women voters across the country. His snub of her has cost him. With all of the STUPID remarks the Dem party is making I really wonder if HRC supporters are trying to sabotage Obama.

But, then again they didn't make the lipstick/pig and the old dead fish comment... he may as well call Palin a stupid white woman and MCain a dead old fart.

HIllary has too much class, or too much political muscle and ambition to give in to Obama's game. If he loses she'll be the cadidate in 2012. Those 38 million votes will haunt Obama for the rest of his days

Posted by: TomB | September 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should tell the Republicans to apologize:

The Republicans should apologize for sending a woman out asking for support, not because she's the best candidate, but because she's a female. Isn't that what that glass ceiling business was all about.

They have highlighted her gender with buttons describing her as, "the hottest woman from the coldest state." and they've put their taunts and lies in her mouth, holding up her gender as a shield, telling the competition, don't fight back, because she's a woman . . .

Let's give Sarah Palin more respect than the Republicans are giving her, by treating her just like any other candidate. She should get as good as she gives . . .

Posted by: Sometimey | September 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I have been a registered Democrat all my life --- ( 78 years of it !! ) but I cannot vote for their nominee now ! --

Hillary should brush Obama off her shoulder and join with the McCain theme of "hands across the aisles" ------- The Democratic party is a real loser on this year's election with the very BAD choice they've got for Nominee... He's evil, an elitist, a snob, and a terrorist !! ( look at this record and associates ? )

HILLARY was the Democrats' first choice in the beginning .. just look what he DID to her ! ---

Joe Biden is a handsome lad.. but what has HE accomplished in his years of service in the Senate? -- He's IN IT for himself -- NOT for the good of the Country !

Wake up Democrats !! --- The Dream is over !

Posted by: Bash93 | September 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

EVERY BODDY YOU REMEMBER SOME TIME A GO AL NEWS ALL TALK WAS OBAM--OBAMA-- THEN PEOPLE SAID WE ARE TIRED HIM LISTING HIS NAME 100 TIMES A DAY NOW PALIN---PALIN AFTER A WEEK PEOPLE WILL START SAYIN OH!! ENOUGH THIS NAME WE ARE TIRED OS THE NAME PALIN--AFTER THAT THE REAL ELECTION DISCUSSION WILL START AND OBAMA WILL WIN HE IS TALKING THE ISSUES FOR THE COUNTRY HE NEED ONLY TO REMIND EVERY BODY AT THAT TIME BUT McCANE HAS TO EXPLAN AT THAT TIME--------THEN HE WILL LOOSE IN THE EXPLANATION.

Posted by: JOJO | September 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Folks, Hillary doesn't want Obama to win this race, because she wants to run in 2012. If Obama wins in November, chances are, he'll also win in 2012, and 8 years is a long time in a political career, and Hillary might not be able to pull it off in another 8 years, not to mention that she's going to be that much older. From a political timing perspective, the time for her to be President is now - 4 years is doable, but 8?

Believe me, she doesn't want Obama to win, which is why we haven't heard much from either her or Bill.

Posted by: Muad'dib | September 10, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

So, if HRC would have attacked the McSame pick if it was a man, she shouldn't becuase Palin is a woman and the women of the country want an end to sexism? HRC shouldn't attack McSame because if he wins then HRC can run in 2012. In 2012, Palin may be the Republican candidate, assuming the country survives four years of McSame/Palin, and then Palin can claim more experience as VP than HRC as Senator and First Lady, so it's not in HRC's interest to take her on now? Palin stands for nearly everything HRC and her supporters are against, but the issues don't matter, just the gender? Isn't this what women are trying to change? So why are most people disgusted with politics in this country?

Posted by: Perplexed | September 10, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

i thought Obama was the best candidate ever has everything going for him, popularity, charm, eloquence, support, money. Why then does he need HRC to help him out of this rut he's in now. If he was a real candidate that ppl want he'd need no help. but clearly he does

Posted by: bryan | September 10, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I've been following the campagins for the last 45 yrs. I just read all the responses, and, sad to say, the majority of people in this country are dumb, and incapable of analytical thinking. We are also mean, vindictive, prejudice, and will stoop as low as we need to in order to WIN. Our politics now sound like what we read in newspapers 35 yrs. ago about other countries who had "fixed" elections. We have no honor where politics are concerned--an honest politician would never be elected in this country. Remember when we thought the "Enquirer" was a joke. Well, now it's the only kind of writing/reporting we understand. The American Way is looking more dark, dirty and scandalos.

Posted by: a mazed | September 10, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

His death game??? He did not vet her. That's why women are angry. Obama became a born DEM loser. They know how to lose elections.
He is a rookie politician. He can't deal with the Russians.
McCain caught his bluff. McCain is not saying it but he is angry how Obama dealt with Hillary. Not even Vetting her.

Biden... he got less than 2000 votes.

Posted by: Jo | September 10, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama had his chance to "use" Hillary as his VP attack dog. He didn't have the guts to pick her. He made his bed, let him lie in it.

Posted by: Helen | September 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hilary doesn't have a tenth of the executive experience of Palin. What's she run -- a travel office?

Posted by: lk | September 10, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton, by her current absence, is causing serious harm to this country. I could go on an on, spending time in speculation as to where she is and what she may be up to. The fact is, both her and Bill could be countering this lunacy with some statesmen like responses.

People listen to them, I assume even this 20% of obviously 'uneducated on the issues' crowd who have jumped from the torpedoed ship, right into the oil spill that is the McCain campaign. McCain/Palin stray from the truth on a daily basis on the campaign trail. Let's just be brutally honest: They are lying straight into the faces of their new adoring fans. I'm going to bet the ones lapping up their lies, don't know the difference between a Filibuster and a HungerBuster.

Oil spills do catch fire. They also produce the most searing, palinful and deeply scarring injuries immaginable. As I write, Dana Perino is issuing another terrorist alert of current "plotting and planning" to attack us. Why can't people see through these GOP tactics?

Hillary Clinton needs to immediately grab a hose and Bill Clinton needs to man the eqivalent of an abandoned 30 caliber and blast away some sense on what may very well become the next USS Arizona disaster.

Posted by: TruthWalksOnWater | September 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Barack drop Joe for Hilary? (see scrivenor post below)

There's the small little problem of the fact that the democrats have already nominated Biden. Changing that post convention would be a nightmare.

Of course he should have chosen Hilary--it was the sure path to victory. But he didn't and it shows his poor judgment.

But why should Hilary step in to save Obama from his stupidity? If Obama loses, the "see I told you so" will seriouly resonate with democrats in just 2 short years as Hilary begins campaigning as the annointed heir of the party. If she gets on the ticket now and loses anyway, she's damaged goods and the democrats don't nominate previous losers (historically).

Posted by: DB | September 10, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

People do understand that Obama's comment is example of his underlying misogyny. He did not put HRC on the ticket. He refers to lip stick on a pig which is locker room talk for an ugly women. Eugene Robinson complained that a congressperson used the Work Uppity to describe Michelle Obama. Uppity he went on to explain was an old southern term for a black person who didn;t know their place. Well Lip stick on a pig? Guess what ask any guy what another guy means when you say lip stick on a pig. The true Obama shows through loud and clear. How Obama ever have put HRC on the ticket given how Obama feels about women! Obama goes on to expalin how he meant it was Mc Cain's econominc policy that he was refferiing too. Well guess what? A big new expensive government run health care program. Talk about a tax sucking PIG! Obama's economic policy can best be described as a big old PIG!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton knows exactly what to do and not do and she will demonstrate this in her actions. She knows that Palin's worldview is a sort of religiously justified "let them eat cake" kind of republicanism and directly contradictory to everything the democrats value. Clinton should and she will focus on the issues. When she was a candidate she had to attack but now she has the luxury of coming into the dialog at a higher level. She is really free to tell people why "Let them eat cake" hasn't been working for anybody really. Individual greed that destroys the habitat even works against the one piling up all the gold. Oil. Gold.

Posted by: Gaias Child | September 10, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

If you argue with an idiot, then the idiot is doing the same.
Obama is the best canidate.
Obama is still staying to the high road, amongst all the mud and slander that McCain / Palin have been slinging.
Vote who you want, I am sure you can justify your reasons if you leave out logic and mix in some half truths and down right lies.

Posted by: Republican 4 Obama | September 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton should show Obama a finger and brush her shoulder, just what he did to her during the primary election.

Posted by: Mimi | September 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should take a lesson from the successful string of second place Republican finishers (I believe I learned that from one of your posts several months ago) and remain quiet and try to regroup for herself rather than get involved in the Obama campaign in a full throttle campaign effort.

If Clinton takes a high profile in the campaign, she is in a lose/lose situation. Whenever she speaks, whether or not she is bitter, she will likely appear bitter and people will definitely ask the question (perception is more important than reality). If Obama wins, it is now despite her and if Obama loses, it's largely because "every speech that Hillary makes seems to draw more of Hillary's supporters to Palin Power." Democrats seem to have a history of turning into vocal advocates for their candidates, while Republicans are quiet advocates, often concentrating on fundraising or lobbying their closer circles for support. The Republicans have been rewarded with a better recent winning percentage in elections (see 20 of the last 28 years) and the second place finisher always gets nominated. While I was politically nascent at the time, I seem to recall that in Bill Clinton's first election, most of his former opponents went "quietly into that good night" as well.

Clinton would serve herself, and the Democratic party, well to keep a lower profile in the election and a higher profile in the Senate. This would show humility, more party unity and a commitment to governing instead of campaigning with a self-serving focus (a reputation Sen. Clinton must contend with).

Posted by: Andy | September 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary will go nowhere in 4 years if McCain/Palin wins!! Palin will be the new star, although she's lying her way to the WH."
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Wrong.Its likely that McCain wont run again 2012 and Palin could well be the candidate.In that case,democrats will have no other option than fielding Hillary.Its in Hillary's( and her 18 million supporters) interest that McCain win this time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I consider myself to be a liberal democrat. Hillary is far more conservative than I on some of the issues. However, all I really learned from the primary campaign was that sexism is very much alive and fully supported by the DNC. Just google Hillary Sexism Watch for gobs of truly disgusting crap. I expect it of the Republican party-they thrive on misogyny. I am now deeply ashamed of the Democratic party and can't as a progressive person vote for their candidate. Women are 54% of the electorate! So now this huge group has the option of voting for a party that has traditionally thwarted them or a sexist, "historical" candidate. Can you just imagine the outrage if there had be an Obama doll with KKK scrawled across his chest and a rope around his neck? So why is a Hillary "nutcracker" considered acceptable? The double standard never cut it with me-and it's not going to appeal to the overwhelming majority of women. Women are flocking to McCain because of Palin? Well, are the democrats are going to treat them any better? If Obama had lost the primary due to rampant racism, I can't imagine blacks voting for Hillary-and I sure wouldn't expect them to. Would they "get over it" like Hillary supporters are supposed to? Right. McCain's choice of VP at least acknowledges women. Palin is anti-feminist but at least knows what it is like to actually BE a women. After all, Obama is no homeboy! He's ivy league, and a well-to-do professional. I am Black, White and Asian, so when I see injustice-I scream about it! As long as sexism, racism, religious intolerance, homophobia ect. are alive, NONE of us are free. If a high percentage of women stay home or write in Hillary, I won't be surprised, and the Democratic party shouldn't be either.

Posted by: marty | September 10, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

it's strange because although it was clear through the long primary that the hillary supporters really loved their hillary, i thought they were smart and concerned about the issues as well. it's rather disturbing to hear some would rather vote for a republican if they can't have their way. i thought they were smart women.

Posted by: limine | September 10, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scrivener ,

My wife and I supported domestic terrorism too. We blew up some buildings and I feel we didnt do enough.
Ask my buddy Barack!!

Posted by: Bill Ayers | September 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I thought Obama was the new type of politics guy. Hope Change all that BS. It turns out that he is a seasoned Chicago Politician, nothing else and can get down and dirty with the best of them.

Candidate of change--OBAMA and Biden. Yea Right!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hussein | September 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Easy - criticize Palin.

There seems to be an unwritten rule this election cycle: No woman will criticize one of her sisters.

Point out that when McCain was looking for a bi-partisan running mate – Hillary never got a call. Point out the length’s he had to go to find what he considered a qualified woman. Prattle off some of the names of accomplished GOP women that where passed over.

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I HAVE TO SAY 'Scrivener' DOWN BELOW HAS THE BEST POST

Posted by: Prince | September 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Scrivener, what a terrific post! Hail Hillary! Make BO an offer he can't refuse. Your post should become a classic (I'm saving it).

I had intended to merely give a somewhat snipey answer to the headline question, "What should Hillary do?" In reality, it is what should Obama do? He's the one who has made the big error by passing up the most qualified candidate in recent memory to be his running mate.

He benefited from the biased and unjust treatment of Hillary by the DNC and the party officials.

He and the Demo gang told Hillary and her supporters to pipe down and not make so much noise. They told 'em to get off their bus, and now they're telling Hillary she has to push the thing after it has stalled.

Yeah, Scrivener, you have a really good idea. I wish it could work.

Posted by: RLamb | September 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

So essentially, the Republican Leadership is right: You want women to vote for you? Put a woman on the ticket. Regardless of her position, it's a guaranteed win.

Go ahead ladies, go from Hillary to Palin since they both are women.

Once the election is finished, you will be back in your kitchen, offices, schools, or wherever you are, attempting then to talk about issues.

Posted by: Prince | September 10, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I promise you, if Obama looses in 08 payback comes in 2012.

You see, heres how it works. We as a nation are in one of the worst situations and by all accounts. Obama is the only one for real change. Obama will loose. The country will be worse in 2012. Clinton will run. 08 Obama supporters will vote against Clinton out spite just like 08 Clinton supporters. Another Republican wil win and on and on it goes until there is nothing left.

Posted by: warren | September 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I have supported the Clintons for decades now. I supported HRC in the primaries, not because Obama was not worthy, but because I took comfort in the familiarity with her. I was disappointed when she lost the primaries, but I dont believe she was mistreated by Obama, his campaign, or the media. Neither am I angry. I think she lost fair and square. I certainly cant let the disappointment of her loss cloud my judgment to the point that I would vote for McCain/Palin. Look what has happened to our country with the McCain/Palin style politics and their party. I am disspointed with Hillary's loss but not to myopic in my view that I would hand the republicans at least another 4 years in office. Enough unnecessary wars, enough demonizing of others, enough assaults on the constitution, enough favoring of corporation over the common interest of people, enough lying, enough loss of American lives and Afghanis and Iraqis, enough enough enough. Lets focus on the bigger picture. If Obama is bad, he cant be worse than Bush, at least the man has the ability to think. And if he is still bad, well in 4 years we will have another opportunity to check him. But with Republicans, we have a proven record.

Posted by: MeinLV | September 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I dislike false rumors as much as anyone, but can a member of the press please confirm why Sara Palin is not at least 7 months pregnant in this public Governors photo taken with President Bush in February 2008? Her baby was supposedly born on April 18, 2008.

http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/2008Meeting.htm from Feb, 2008 (click text link "View Larger Photo")

This photo is from March 14th 2008, where she clearly is not 7 months pregnant:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Finally, she is also on the cover of December issue of Vogue which was taken December 12, 2007. She should have been 4-5 months preganant. Clearly shes not.

Reportedly, her water broke the day before or hours before she gave birth in Texas and flew 8 hour to Alaska in labor? Would a doctor/the airline allow this?

Why did she supposedly announce she was pregnant after 7 months?

There are claims she didn't look pregnant from public video interviews about the annoucement.

Why are there no photos/evidence supporting this?

Something isn't adding up?

Posted by: Dana | September 10, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Should Obama loose, Hillary Clinton will be blamed as a central reason that will not go unnoticed by Obama supporter if she runs in 2012.

Why?

1. She created the class wars during the primary over "bittergate".

2. She is not doing all she could do to help him as she promised. Hillary had no problem holding her tounge back against Obama in the primary, now all of a sudden she is politically correct.

3. Obama supporters such as myself will vote against her in 2012 because we believe she doesn't really want him to win.

Posted by: Jim | September 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I am not female so consider that in my opinion. Please look at the treatment by the Obama camp with Senator CLinton and now Gov. Palin during this campaign and tell me with a straight face that they value women in america.

Remember if the Democratic primaries were conducted in the same manner as the Republican primaries, Hillary would have won in a landslide. Plus she carried all the states the Dems need to win the election.

If I were a Hillary supporter I would tell him thanks.......FOR NOTHING.

OBAMA - obviuosly a Kenyan word meaning keep those women down.

Posted by: Hussein | September 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

As a Hillary supporter - i'll vote for mccain/palin as a protest to the treatment of hillary by the DNC and obama campaign. How DARE obama snub hillary (and her supporters yet again) for VP. Obama is denying all democratic women the opportunity that mccain is providing all republcian women - to have the first woman VP.

How can obama talk about unity and uniting the party and then pick a guy that got 70,000 votes instead of the first WOMAN candidte who got 18million votes?

I will not forgive him for this and so I will vote Mccain/Palin and hope that hillary runs in 2012.

Posted by: Hill 4 McCain/Palin | September 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a sell-out and exposed he is just a typical Republican politician by picking Palin. He picked her to appease his base and poach Hillary votes. Palin wasn’t the best or most qualified, it’s because he knew she would be popular. How is that being a "maverick"? How is it ‘Country First”? How is this “I rather win a war than loose an election”? Lipstick on a pig, is still a pig. I’ll say it again, John McCain is a sell-out.

The most important metric for picking a VP is they are ready to step in from day one. His judgment is reckless and he gambled at our expense. The mere fact Palin is being educated on foreign policy and is avoiding the press indicates she wasn’t prepared on day one. She is running for the second highest office, but can’t answer questions from the press or public? This doesn’t alarm anyone?

I lost all my respect for John McCain. He's not the hero today he was 35 years ago. McCain is nothing without Palin.

What does it say about a campaign that has to "mimic" what and who Obama is, not to mention hijack Obamas core message of Change from day one just to poach votes? Is that all they view Obama as, a "product" a "formula", a “personality”? It makes McCain look weak and more importantly, the American people stupid if they fall for it.

Now all these puppets are willing to just get behind her without even knowing anything about her and try to convince the American public she is prepared to be VP or President? Not even uncertain objectiveness, caution, pause or question just because she has an "R" in front of her name? How can anyone make a clear determination reasonably in less than 60 days?

Bravo America! We look like complete idiots once again while the world watches. I am truly embarrassed of my country. I guess all isn’t lost, at least many will have Palin’s eye glass frames while our country crumbles economically. We are such tools.

British Prime Minister Backs Obama
http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2008/09/brown-backs-oba.html

World wants Obama
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=world


Posted by: Drew | September 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The democratic party ..... what to do now?

Being a republican, I laugh at these guys -seriously. If the Democratic Party would have selected Hillary Clinton, this would never have been an issue. The polls are turning now - because we republicans voted for Obama in the primary- in hopes to oust Hillary... and it worked! The swing you are seeing now, is finally reflecting the fact that republicans are better organzied and ready to win...

To run against Hillary would have been a for sure loss for us republicans. Not any more!!!

McCain Palin.. 2008

Dean and Pelosi screwed the dems over big time.... and we republicans laugh.

Posted by: MIKE | September 10, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should go on 2 months vacation!!!!
She supposedly is tired after primaries.
Back off.

Posted by: Lan | September 10, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting how people complain, and then vote a certain way. 2004, everyone complained about the direction of the country and its state, but yet voted for the same thing. Same thing 2008. Does anybody really think that McCain ticket will all of the sudden change this country? Do you really think he will get there and forget all the Republicans who got him elected? Hilarious.

Clinton position is much more difficult. If McCain gets the White House, Clinton can wait another 8 years before anything happen. And then, back to square one, will have to run everything all over again. She does not have to stand for Obama, but why would she stand for Palin? Check their thoughts and Policies. The only thing they have in common is their gender.

For all the women supporting Palin because Obama did not pick Clinton: fine, who cares? Worst comes to worst, or best comes to best: McCain wins, and at that point, Palin will start to talk. You will get to know her, and finally see what are her thoughts about where this country is headed. You think we shattered the ceiling? Let's smile and see. But if McCain wins and you voted because of Palin, don't complain for the next 4 years, because you would have chosen it.

Posted by: Prince | September 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a smug, arrogant airhead. He used the race card to defeat Hillary, refused to even consider putting her on his ticket and now he wants her to get him out of trouble? Tell him where to go, Hillary. I have voted straight Democrat for the past 40 years but I am sickened by the manipulations of Obama, Axlerod, Pelosi, Dean, et. al. They have ruined the party and lost an election that should have been a snap. Now they are venting on Palin instead of seeing the reality - another year of bonehead blunders by an out of touch party.

Posted by: Marross | September 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

i'm so sick of hearing obamaniacs keep telling that clinton "should" do this, "should" do that.

there's nothing that clinton should do. she owes obama nothing. yeah, she lost, and she got over it graciously. sure, me as a clinton supporter has gotten over it too. but that does NOT - repeat, NOT - equate to my switching over to obama.

i'm all prepared to switch to mccain. surely those who think i'm switching would blame me as immature for not being able to get over clinton losing, or to do so in order to spite obama. quite far from it, i support the candidate as a candidate. i don't vote along party lines, as obama does, 97% of the time.

indeed, those who lay blame are the immature ones. u guys/gals would not accept that obama simply can't win, without clinton's votes. that's just too bad, isn't it!? obama doesn't even have a platform to run on but the abstract idea of "change", and now that mantle is claimed squarely by palin. i would have the last laugh to see the onion of obama gets quickly peeled to the core, and u would find nothing in it. i would be very amused to see the deconstructing of obama.

Posted by: christie mcvie | September 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Obama dude has done nothing but keep trying to be the first black president. He's been running the for president the last 20 years. He's done nothing but to fulfill his own personal agenda."

Posted by: sk8ro | September 10, 2008 2:53 PM

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I AGREE! + 1 to that.

Posted by: Sandra | September 10, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Is it me, or does it look like at the GOP rallies McCain is simply making Palin's mouth move like a ventriloquist's dummy? Until she stands up and answers tough questions and explains why she should be elected it is asinine to even think she's qualified.

Competency over experience.

Obama and Hillary answered every single crazy question for 18 months. God forbid Palin has to answer for all the misleading lies and exaggerations she has been spouting word for word for the last 10 days.

Sarah Palin is the James Frey of politics. I hope Oprah has her shot to ask her a few questions...

Posted by: Ryan Jesperson | September 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse


"Hillary should endorse McCain/Palin! That what she should do. Obama dude has done nothing but keep trying to be the first black president. He's been running the for president the last 20 years. He's done nothing but to fulfill his own personal agenda. I'm a lifelong democrat and for this first time in history Republican. Hillary will you campaign for McCain/Palin for us?"

Posted by: sk8ro | September 10, 2008 2:53 PM

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I AGREE! + 1 to that.

Posted by: Sandra | September 10, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"Any woman that votes for parts rather than issues on behalf of all decent woman, you sincerely and truly disgust us."

Posted by: Lydia | September 10, 2008 11:41 AM
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Lydia, you oddly omitted people voting for color over issues, or party over issues, or reproductive issue over many issues. I suspect you fit in at least one of those categories I described. Don't judge, lest you be found a hypocrite.

I have been a solid dem for 32 years. It is more than Hillary not getting the nomination. It is more than the sexist way women are treated. It is more than BO's inexperience. Unlike some, I will no longer vote for the letter D behind the name. I vote on principle. I can objectively say that McCain has talked about the issues. BO has not. McCain challenged BO to townhall meeting, BO was too intimadated to attend. Instead, and in a cowardly fashion, he attacked his opponents VP. Never has this been done before. He should of challenged or attacked McCain, not the bottom of the ticket. Major turn off.

For the record, two cannot walk together unless they be in agreement. BO's associations are similar to his supporters. Angry, victimized, treasonous, thugs, racist, slimey, ignorant, juvenile, petty, arrogant, disgusting. Good people don't travel with thugs behaving animalistic and threatening violence while hurling insults. I will not support such a foul group and many dems out there will not either.


BO made his bed. He must lay in it. He along with his supporters made it crystal clear those of us who supported Hillary and were advocates for a fair primary were no longer wanted or even needed. The primary was a sham. Corruption was blatant. The super delegates behaved no different than the brown suits. The corruption in the primary was more than enough reason for me to reject Obama. The Obama campaign wasn't satisfied with that. They made sure we were gone for good when they sunk to historic lows in the history of campaigning. Each day he breaks his own world record for slum politics. Change? The only change he brings is a change from decency. A change from democracy. A change from equality for all. Change indeed.

Posted by: haterofhypocracy | September 10, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

DING DING DING we have a winner.

You hit the nail on the head. Deep down Hillary despise Hussein Obama. I meant here come a freshman senator out of no where, with no experience, looks down on woman, and proceed to unseat Hillary the Washington elite. She has to be pissed, I know I would.
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I have to wonder what is going on in her mind: is she not-so secretly hoping Obama loses, so the nation can go so far under in another extension of the Republican monarchy that she can ride in on a white horse in 2012?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should endorse McCain/Palin! That what she should do. Obama dude has done nothing but keep trying to be the first black president. He's been running the for president the last 20 years. He's done nothing but to fulfill his own personal agenda. I'm a lifelong democrat and for this first time in history Republican. Hillary will you campaign for McCain/Palin for us?

Posted by: sk8ro | September 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

If we're talking about breaking class ceiling, in a way, Palin does it in an even more earth shattering way than Clinton.

Main media can and still does get to Clinton, dismissing her as the spouse of Bill and whatever accomplishments she has had. Wasn't that the Obama argument against Clinton, saying her experience is not the kind of experience we need, since she's just a spouse to a president?

Obama/Biden can say all he can, dismissing Palin for being a small state governor. But we have Palin who lives the work, rising to the top on her right, not as someone else's accessory (as misogynists so often implies Clinton), but on her own terms, in her own way, balancing work/family/life/ambition.

Regardless of partisanship, I can only appreciate how tough it must be for Palin, while still finding time to go moose-hunting. As a working woman, married with children and all, I can only say, Bravo!!!

Posted by: Claudia B. | September 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Carmen's comment is right on the point. Obama will try to blame Clinton (one or both) if he loses. I too don't agree with Palin's stance on issues but I sure like her spirit.

Posted by: chase123 | September 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Did Obama and Clinton differ so much on the issues to justify switching support to McCain simply because Clinton wasn't nominated?

Is having a woman candidate (presidential or vice) so much more important than any of the issues that the Republicans aren't talking about?

Are women really that stupid?"

1. Depends what issues there were and which ones were key. If experience is key, then you switch to McCain. If you are concerned with foreign policy, you switch to McCain. If pro-life is your key, you switch to Obaman. If you leaned left, you jump to Obmana. If you were supporting her as a moderate - well, McCain is closer to center than Obama.

2. The issues will be discussed in more detail in the debates. Both candidates have simply painted broad strokes and in fact Obama's are often very broad. And yes, character and experience are indeed relevant and important issues to many.

3. No, they are not, but you appear to be.

Posted by: Mark | September 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

This Obama guy been running for president for the last 4 elections! What a loser. Give me a break Obama!

Posted by: jake | September 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

This comment is for all of the people that say Clinton got stone-walled by Obama. The facts are the facts, she lost, get over it and move on. Also, I remember hearing that Obama was helping her pay off her campaign debt.....that is a very nice gesture. She can't undo what she did to his campaign. Her supporters are going to do what they are going to do. I just get sick of them griping about her loss....how many months ago was that? Well, I guess it is smart to cut off your nose to spite someone else's face.......oh yeah, it isn't. What the hell is reverse racism anyway? White people are still at the top of the food chain, so stop complaining. Karma is karma. Seems to me that these people screaming reverse racism are scared that what was dished out to every other ethnicity, by their white ancestors, is going to come back on them. Don't worry, descendants of slave masters, we won't put you in chains and make you pick cotton for free and beat you and separate you from your new-borns and sell you on auction blocks like property and hang you and tell you that you are less of a human than us and steal your culture and rape your women and steal all of your resouces and bomb your communities and kill your women and kill your children and make you fight for your rights, etc etc.........we would be justified in doing so but we won't. So, please, vote for McCain and Palin......you will suffer right along with us.........enjoy the hole that you've begun to dig, you will probably need it when WWIII begins.......I hear there are a lot of nuclear weapons being made around the world. ( I left my email below for all those that have a problem with what I've said.....you know, just in case)

Posted by: Rinasanz@gmail.com | September 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Even if McCain dies and Palin becomes president, it DOES NOT "shatter the glass ceiling". Just because she is a woman??? Women are STILL paid less than men, and still passed over for men in the workplace. Women's rights will take a huge step backwards if Palin puts an anti-choice judge on the supreme court. Americans need to wake up. Republicans, whether male or female, have never been in favor of progressive steps for women's rights.

Posted by: Concerned | September 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The whole lipstick thing is as ridiculous of the choice of Palin, herself. Republican manipulation is running rampant, and you idiots are thinking about voting for him NEED to wake up soon!

Here is a very interesting read from an unusual and surprising religious perspective. I highly recommend checking it out:

http://www.newsflavor.com/Opinions/McCain-Hijacks-Christianity-Via-Palin.240929

Posted by: LaRae | September 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Use Senator Clinton to ask the obvious questions. 1) Why is Palin attracting so much attention: media and campaign trail? Do her supporters expect McCain to die? Last I heard McCain was at the top of the ticket. And 2) Why the double-standard? Why is she hiding from the press?

Posted by: muD | September 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

yeah well, palin has 80-90% approval rating from her constituents. I would like to think that she did something right to have deserve that high mark.

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pro-gun, and anti-gay. Bush was Governer of the 2nd largest producing state of oil, Texas, while Palin is from the 1st largest, Alaska.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Why should Sen. Clinton or anyone else be a surrogate for either canidate? The problem with campaigns is that too many people have a say in what the general population hears, sees and eventually does. The only people I'm interested in hearing from right now are Senators McCain, Obama, and Biden and Gov. Palin.

Campaign style should change too. MAKE the canidates travel schedules the same. They should appear and discuss things in the same forums. I know it was suggested this year and was excited that it may actually happen given the two canidates. But once again, party ideology won out.

Surrogates, party officials, and media outlets should stop telling me who to vote for. They should be telling me to make my own decision based on my individual convictions and vote for the canidate that best represents me. Last I checked, Sen. Clinton only gets to vote once just like me. Perhaps we should encourage our leaders to stop telling us what to do and start educating ourselves and make our own decisions.

That being said, Hillary, Palin, Biden, Kennedy, Obama, McCain, O'Riley, King, Huffington, Limbaugh, Stewart, and anyone else should AVOID any negative attacks. Challenge the ideas not the person. It's a shame that most Americans wouldn't pay any attention to an election without negativity.

Posted by: JD Hall | September 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I am ashamed that the McCain folks would call their VP candidate a pig! They're the only ones who even mentioned that reference. Amazing!

I'm also ashamed that McCain was so dishonorable in making fun of Obama's bill regarding education of children against sexual predators! I am afraid of what McCain will do or say to get in the WH! Politics as usual.

Posted by: O | September 10, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will promote Obama as much as possible without going too negative toward the Republican ticket.

Obama, the Clintons, and myself have never been a fan of the rights obsession with trickle down economics. Vote Obama and give the tax breaks to the purchasing power of the average middle class Americans.

Posted by: Craig in Virginia | September 10, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget that McCain was the first to use the pig on lipstick line, last year. Twice.
Where were the PUMAs yelling at him for being sexist? Obama was using the line in jest, mocking Teflon John using it.

Posted by: Bailin' on Palin | September 10, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should absolutely go to bat for Obama. she should be saying, girls, vote for a woman? yes. but not that woman, for x,y,z reasons. She should go bxxls out. i mean really go to bat, leave everything on the field. if she has any chance for herself she will show she has so much fight in her that people will see her go and say, "we should have chosen her" so if Obama loses, she will have a chance in 2012. If she gives a half-xxxed effort, then she doesn't deserve a second chance next election cycle.

Posted by: marisol gold | September 10, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should echo the lipstick on a pig comment. This would draw huge media attention, defuse the sexism charge, show support for Obama, and underscore the substantive point that the McCain policies are just a continuation of the Bush policies.

Posted by: Gene L | September 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"She also needs to remind her women friends that if McCain/Palin gets in the Whitehouse, her chances for getting there in a few years are shot!"

Huh? How do you figure. If Obama gets in and does a crappy job, the Dems will be in disfavor, Hillary will be in disfavor as she supported him. If he does a good job, her chance won't come again until 8 years from now.

If McCain wins and does a great job, not sure Palin still is ready to be President. She'd still be light on credentials (as Obama is now) but still vulnerable to Hillary.

If McCain wins and has a tough go at it, Hillary wins a slam-dunk in 4 years.

She is in a tough spot. All you have to do is play her "3 in the morning" ad and then question her on it in public. Is Obama read to be president? If no, why are you supporting him? If yes, it looks like a blatant, self-serving, pandering flip-flop to get an administrative position.

She probably needs to keep a low profile.

Posted by: Mark | September 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I have four questions:

Did Obama and Clinton differ so much on the issues to justify switching support to McCain simply because Clinton wasn't nominated?

Is having a woman candidate (presidential or vice) so much more important than any of the issues that the Republicans aren't talking about?

Is this PUMA movement the end result of the hard-fought women's suffrage movement that led to the nineteenth ammendment?

Are women really that stupid?

Posted by: Eric | September 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will go nowhere in 4 years if McCain/Palin wins!! Palin will be the new star, although she's lying her way to the WH. I feel hurt that Democratic women would rather vote for a she-Bush than a real educated and strong woman like Hillary in a few years!!

Posted by: O | September 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Many American voters, especially the African-Americans are oblivious to the fact that Barack Obama is not a Black-American in the true sense of the word. His father is a Kenyan who is not a U.S. citizen. It goes without saying that Barack Obama is a KENYAN-AMERICAN and NOT BLACK-AMERICAN. God forbids that a Kenyan becomes the president of the United States of America.

Posted by: Melvyn M. Rosales | September 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Either way this will be an historic election. Hillary needs to be very careful. If she is too strongly against Palin, Hillary will have to pay for it in a future election. If she is too weak, this event will make her look like she was never committed to helping the democratic party at all... what a bad situation...

As a registered non-partisan (NP), I have watched the campaigns unfold in the usual manner -- republicans are loyal republicans and democrats are loyal democrats. I don't agree with either side on many issues, however I must admit that I was very pleased with the idea that Obama may become our next president -- not that I don't like Senator McCain -- I just believe that the time is right for an obvious change that will signal to the rest of the world that the USA is everything that we already know we are. We, ourselves need a psychological boost as well and I believed that Senator Obama would give the country that boost. So I have been leaning toward Obama, but I must say that I am really following the recent developments closely.

I believe that Sarah Palin has infused the process with a great deal of excitement and has made the McCain option a viable alternative. I hate the way that media and the democrats are trying to tear her down, but that sells on TV and the democrats are just doing what they think is necessary.

I am watching very closely now and I don't want Senator Obama to take my vote for granted. For me, this is now his election to lose. He needs to be careful with his rhetoric and his campaign staff needs to be careful with their attacks on Palin.

I feel that a victory for the republicans would be beneficial as well for the same reasons that I stated before regarding an Obama win. I have a distaste for party politics and I will ultimately vote for the ticket which I believe exercises the best judgment and restraint.

Mr. Obama -- it's still yours to lose and that also applies to Hillary's future as well.

Posted by: LG | September 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame America has come to such a low standard in picking their presidents..are we Americans that stupid...really that stupid..really that crazy stupid??? You see, McCain knew he wasn't going to win, therefore "Karl Rove" strategically planned to pick a cute woman just anybody with no experience, to fire up has republican base and also other independent women. I am an independent and can see through what Republicans are trying to do, can't you guys not.So far McCain has offered no substance or any solid plan for our country. He is using Palin to distract the people of America from the real issues and things that really matter to our country. Is he for "Country First", NO he is for himself first, he is for his party first, he is for the lobbyist first and we women will move back 100 years under Bush/MCCain/Palin administration. He owns 9 homes and he has millions of dollars so he doen't need to worry. We middle class poor Americans will pay for it when he gets elected. Sorry America some of us are uneducated and really not following what are the real issues that is going to affect our country under same old same old administraion, Wake up America and vote Democrats, independent voters wake up from Palin spell and Vote Democrats, Swing voters wake up and vote Democrats, Women voters wake up from this spell and vote Democrats..No more Bush Republican administration, no more PAlin/McCain administration, Obama/Biden 2008

Posted by: Sandra Campbell | September 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I hope Hillary stays out of this. The fight is now between McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden. Obama made a huge mistake picking Joe Biden as his running mate and this shows.

People are giving McCain credit for having the smarts to pick Palin. They want a creative thinker in the White House. He really did think outside the box on this while Obama did not.

Posted by: PChafe | September 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I have a lot of sympathy for Hillary. She is in a tough spot. I think she still thinks she is better than Obama and she is. But the Dem did not choose her. Yet, the Dem wants her to help Obama to beat McCain, which would not be in her interest if she plans to run again in four years. In a way, Palin is like her--a professional woman trying to break the ceiling in the men's world. So she cannot criticize her much, yet Obama wants to use her exactly for that purpose. I do not believe Obama/Hillary ticket make sense as he cannot govern with Hillary and Bill on his back all the time given their track records. Maybe that is why Obama is meeting with Bill, the guy that does not respect him, to see how to handle this situation. If Bill is to help, he is not helping Obama. He will try to see how best to benefit himself, and then Hillary and lastly Obama.

Posted by: indi | September 10, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I can see that Palin is the swiftboat for Obama this year. Thanks Palin-Women Democrats for falling for the GOP tactic. The GOP was right to think that those women are so un-educated that they'd vote for Palin and not for the issues. They were so right!

Posted by: Don'tCareAnymore | September 10, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they should have Hillary out campaigning for Obama. Hillary's sparkle has been eroded and women know that she is just doing it because it's expected of her. When I see her now it is just a reminder of how poorly she was treated....so sad. It does not make me more enthused about Obama.

I consider myself to be very liberal and pro-choice, but there is something about Sarah Palin that appeals to me....it's the fight in her(just like Hillary use to have). I have never voted for a republican before or given money to one, but now I find myself doing both.

Posted by: carmen | September 10, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Real feminists vote of issues.
Wannabe feminists vote on images.

Posted by: Cristina | September 10, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I mean Georgia the country not the state.

Posted by: Hussein | September 10, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Hillary would've clinched it for Obama. You also would have never heard of Sarah Palin.

BTW where is Joe Biden?? Is he still the VP candidate or did they send him to Georgia.

Posted by: Hussein | September 10, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

FactCheck.org

Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.
• She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.
• She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.
• Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.
• Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

Posted by: Nancy | September 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

So you PUMA people would really be happy with a party that not only doesn't support a woman's right to chose, but is also against equal pay for equal work? And let's not even start on the sciences.... it would be nice if people could look at the bigger picture, than just being upset that HRC didn't win the primaries.

Posted by: swiftboated | September 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Real feminists vote of issues.
Wannabe feminists vote on images.

Posted by: Cristina | September 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse


It appears they are just as shallow as all the men they've been complaining about for years. "Oh look, she has breasts, let's vote for her!!". Going to lose your reproductive rights, going to lose the supreme court for issues you said you cared about, going to lose science for faith, going to continue to be lied to by someone who hides behind a little black book, going to get your children killed in the next republican uneeded/immoral war, going to suffer (you, your kids, their kids, etc) the international consquences of continuing this regime. In short, you would vote against everything Hillary stands for for breasts.

You will then get exactly what you deserve.

Posted by: Are women really that stupid? | September 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

She needs to attack a little and appear passionate about the issues and the future of the country. She also needs to highlight the differences between her and the other woman on the ticket. She also needs to remind her women friends that if McCain/Palin gets in the Whitehouse, her chances for getting there in a few years are shot!

Posted by: T | September 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE HILLARY DO NOT BECOME AN ATTACK DOG for Palin. You are a former first lady and a popular respected senator. Your political future will be at risk if you start defending obama by being a attack dog. Let him to fight this himself, this is not your election any longer.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I get so disgusted with Obama supporters who whine that Hillary's supporters should get behind Obama. Hillary, or her supporters, owe NOTHING to The One! Nothing! This Democrat is voting for McCain, partly because I am philosophically closer to McCain than the extremely lefty anointed one.

Posted by: Ron | September 10, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Having that woman a heartbeat away from the presidency."

That is exactly most women in this country want and need.

Hillary should do nothing to help Obama, and let Palin carry on her work to shatter that cracked ceiling.

This is not politics, it is to show these old boys that women can be and should be equal to men at every level, and they should be treated as such.

Hillary started something grandiose for all women. She could not finish it because the unfair treatment of the media and those old boys. We, the Hillary supporters, by supporting Palin will finish it for her.

Our time has finally come.

Posted by: Lori | September 10, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If the Democrats reeeally want to win, Hillary and anyone else who is willing to help should. Simple... stick to the issues and don't waver and get off of this 'Sarah darlen' thing because she is not running for President!!

Posted by: Maudyfish | September 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I really believe that if Obama had picked Hillary for VP, it wouldn't have made a big difference in the race. In effect, it may have made things worse. Here's why. The elephant in the room that no-one has talked about is that Americans have drawbacks to voting for an African American. In addition to that, imagine Hillary on the ticket. Would Americans (who are already a bit uncertain about voting for a black man) vote for both a black man and woman on the same ticket? I DOUBT IT! Having a white man on the ticket soothes those Americans who might question voting for Obama.

Posted by: T | September 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone every wonder that Hillary didn't want to be VP?

Posted by: Just Wondering | September 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

If you did not see this coming you, like other obameniacs, live in complete denial and illusion. Dems have been totaly in denial regarding the electability of the "ONE". I am suprized when he loses? No, HE NEVER WON THE PRIMARY, the nomination was given to him by media and DNC.

Posted by: nancy sabet | September 10, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Nothing have to do with HR, no matter OB lose or lose. HRC is not RNC's puppet

Posted by: fanny 08 | September 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

As you old timers know, I’m DEAD…speaking to you from HOG HEAVEN where I’ve been resurrected to help the Democratic Party and Obama Barack, or Barack Obama, OH MAMMA, well, if I do this long enough I’ll need my high top hat, coat and tails, walkin’ stick, soft shoes, and a honky tonk piano accompanying me to a few oldies that most of you never heard. The success to the Barack Obama campaign is ON HILLARY, dat’s right, she’s got to contact me through Jennifer Love Hewitt, the Ghost Whisperer, so dat I can outfit Hillary in my typical stage garb, maybe even get her to hum a few notes, and we’ll pick it up from there. She’s got to get herself some charcoal, couple of puffed marshmallows for her eyes, top hat, coat and tails, learn how to do the soft shoe shuffle, and sing MAMMY…..then, we’ll see if Plain Palin can top that….gotta’ go, almost SHOO TIME here…..TTFN, TA TA FOR NOW!

Posted by: Al Jolson | September 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary absolutely needs to away from the personal attacks on Sarah. She won over the 18M from her hard work and keen focus on the issues. She is now a national role model, and she needs to rise above all of these petty attacks. Her legacy lasts beyond her party. The minute she starts joining the personal attacks frenzy, she will diminish herself to just another petty woman who is jealous of another women's success. This will turn off a huge chunk of her 18M supporters.

I like that she just sticks to the issues and speaks to the difference between Obama and McCain and between the two parties. There are plenty of differences to talk about without resorting to race, gender, or plain meaness.

By staying above this frenzy, all women, now or future, will owe her a thanks for making the 18M cracks. If not Sarah then it will be some other woman who will benefit from the 'leaks' of these cracks. The fact that Sarah is the one is a direct result of Obama's bad decision of picking Biden.

Hillary owes it to the 18M to remain a role model and she must not feel that she owes Obama or her party anything. Her party and Obama never defended her the way the Repub defended Sarah against unfair attacks and sexist remarks. She has done more Obama than any other loosing candidate in the history. Only the DNC and Obama are the ones who are responsible for loosing this election.

By sticking to the issues and acting as a positive role model for ALL women, Hillary continues to be the winner in people's mind regardless which party wins the election.

Posted by: vote4thebest | September 10, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

To mimi362 - you're absolutely right.

What Obama and DNC don't understand is that, most women (let alone voters) vote for the candidate, not party affiliation. It's one major reason why W won in 2000 (vs Gore who is not very likeable) and again in 2004 (vs Kerry who's even less so).

Albeit more aligned with the Dem agenda, I voted for Clinton primarily because of her accomplishment and who she is, not which party she's in. For Obama to think that, by dispatching Clinton to say she supports him, it won't help him one iota, since I don't do what my chosen candidate tells me to. When Clinton's gone, she's gone. I'm not going to vote Obama as a favor to the Dem. PUMA is right.

Posted by: tiddle | September 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should work her tail off for the down ticket Dems (and not the turncoats that helped throw her in the gutter like the rest of the obama campaign). Let obama work his way out of his own messes. We're finished with him.

As a 30 year Dem, I'm now voting McCain/Palin. obama is not fit to be commander in chief, not with friends like Rezko, Wright, Pfleiger, Auchi, Odinga. The Democrats devoured Hillary and spit her out.

Hillary was our best chance, and sexism and Kool aid and reverse racism got in the way. You lose obama. We happily go to pull the lever for McCain. The Republicans RESPECT their women candidates.

Posted by: Ezzie | September 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Hillary is out campaigning for Obama. Too bad you don't really read the news. Too bad Hillary said No way, No how, No McCain, No Palin. Too bad Palin's lies are taking her out and its just a matter of time before Hillary does too.

Posted by: Bill | September 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a muslim. I know he is, I talked to a guy who knew this woman whose friend saw him at a Mosque right in Mecca.

Sarah Palin politics in reverse!!

Posted by: hussein | September 10, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary do NOTHING. you owe obama nothing
2012 is your time when BHO is history...soory oprah-you couldn't pick our presidents too.

Posted by: mn | September 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

That "pig" comment about Palin is the lower than the lowest point in Obama campain.We would never use
the old saying "You can give a pen to a monkey intead of a banana but its still going to be a monkey"cause we are above that old style Obama politics.

Posted by: Adolf the Obama | September 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

mimi362

Why don't you try voting on issues instead of parts?

You are what is wrong with the world.

Posted by: Whatever | September 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Learn how America really works before you spout off about stuff you don't understand. "

And I'm certain your career as presidential candidate was long lived and fruitful?

Give me a break... your comments smack of that age old Republican favorite whipping post, the ownership society. Individual responsibility huh... Do you honestly believe that people who can't even figure out that Palin is the anti-woman's woman can grasp the concept of an Option ARM with neg-am potential that's tied to a 12-month trailing MTA, and the effect it will have on their monthly mortgage payments? Please... this country's politics have completely inverted: the small government, fiscally conservative Reps have driven up spending and laid waste to the surpluses we had, but didn't do a shred of regulatory oversight due to their "free market" principles. The public at large doesn't have the capacity, either intellectually or resource wise, to grasp
the intricacies of HMO, Mortgage, and Insurance companies' financial models.

Sad fact is, the plebs rule this country, the inmates are running the asylum. A modified Roman electoral model, with only the educated citizenry being permitted to vote, might... MIGHT right this country's course. And yes, I'm gleefully elitist.

Posted by: aparatchik | September 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of all you Obama people telling Hillary Clinton supporters that we can't vote for McCain/Palin - I say wait and see. Obama is immature and arrogant and refused to have Hillary on his ticket he not only dismissed her but all of the 18 million voices that supported her- Too Bad!

Posted by: mimi362 | September 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Having that woman a heartbeat away from the presidency.

When McCain kicks the can we can all get ready for WWIII. I guarantee she won't get any respect from world leaders. Who don't know her and see that she is woman with a BA who went from podunk Wasilla to VP as a political ploy. Guns, babies and Jesus. She is NOT what America needs.

That woman is not ready to go toe-to-toe with Putin let alone disgusted Democratic women.

Posted by: Whatever | September 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

All that this shows is that the McCain campaign is desperate.

You could make that woman the Queen Mary. I'll never respect her and she'll never be my vice president.

Posted by: Lydia | September 10, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Although I agree that Clinton doesn't owe the Obama camp anything, I hope that her love of this country and her desire to move it in a better direction with this election will inspire her to continue supporting Obama. I agree that she shouldn't go negative, but there are a few important points that HRC needs to promote with all her formidable strength:

1. Supporters voted for HRC because we felt she was the best PERSON for the job, sharing our views and ready to lead. The fact that she is also a woman was simply a very exciting bonus. She needs to point out that she would be supremely disappointed in any HRC supporters who vote for Palin simply because Palin is a woman or out of spite over the Democratic primary. I know HRC cares about her country too much to encourage people to play those games (including writing HRC in, effectively taking a vote away from the official Democratic nominiee).

2. Palin and HRC are on opposite sides of most of the important social issues and Palin's experience and readiness to lead aren't even close to Clinton's. Frankly, I'm insulted - all of her supporters should be - that the Repulican party would try to lure disgruntled HRC supporters by substituting a woman who doesn't compare in any way to HRC - as if it's the chromosomes that matter, not the issues, and not experience. Sadly, it's working for some people.

3. And for people who point out that Palin has opposing views but has never imposed them through her brief stints in executive power, I think Clinton needs to remind people that just because she hasn't yet, doesn't mean she won't. Especially with a relatively short executive experience, we don't really know how her personal politics will play out. I, for one, don't want to take a chance with our hard-won reproductive freedoms.

In short, I think HRC needs to stop speaking in generalities about how bad it will be with another Republican and talk about these issues specifically, firmly, and objectively with her supporters. No need to get negative when the facts will do.

Posted by: Anne | September 10, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton should run on the Independent ticket. She would clearly win. She knows more than both Obama and McCain and we would finally have a 3 party system. She could change History - Go for it Hillary.

Posted by: mimi362 | September 10, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

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I don't think any true Hillary supporter would turn to support McCain/Palin.

She is against everything Hillary believes in. No one can possibly be that stupid.

I think this is just hype by the McCain campaign.

For modern feminism Palin truly is a bridge to nowhere.*****************

Posted by: Bambi | September 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Frightening to see that there are apparently humongous numbers of un(der) educated white women out there... I'm at a loss for an explanation for a 20 point shift, other than to conclude, based on this empirical evidence: y'all are stupid, ya hear?!!"

There are plenty of reasons very educated white women (an educated men) would move to Palin:

1. She is new blood. She is the Obama of the Republican side. She represents a changing of the guard in many aspects.

2. In her position, VP, her far-right beliefs will NOT come into play nationally. As such, they are mininmized in the view of many. Her effect on Roe vs. Wade? Zip. Abstinence in schools? School board and state issues. Those who are more moderate will recognize that they can let these go as they are likely to have no national effects.

3. Her energy policies are going to make sense to a lot of folks. Drill the north slope AS you promote alternative energy. This is going to seem like common sense to many.

4. The not-ready-to-be-President argument falls flat with many for two reasons. 1) Obama is equally inexperienced himself and he is on the TOP of the ticket. 2) The heartbeat-away, when has that last happened? Kennedy assassination nearly half a century ago? It is simply not going to worry folks. Chances of McCain going belly up in less than 2 years is slim and none. After 2 years she'd have had plenty of OTJ training with a support administration of McCain's already in place.

5. She is running as someone who will cut the federal government. Folks who want change but not a wholesale leftest change are going to like that.

Like it or not, Palin has given the ticket a very wide cross section appeal. The extrememe right will love her. But there were also many that liked the "change" message but were hesitant to give in to a wholesale liberal change. Selecting Palin showed in part that McCain will break from the old-guard ranks which I think gave some middle-of-the-roader the excuse they needed to come aboard.

Posted by: Mark | September 10, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't think any true Hillary supporter would turn to support McCain/Palin.

She is against everything Hillary believes in. No one can possibly be that stupid.

I think this is just hype by the McCain campaign.

For modern feminism Palin truly is a bridge to nowhere.

Posted by: Bambi | September 10, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

STFU dpc. You obviously have Obama stuck way up your arse to have any objectivity. Racist pig.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should stay out. Obama and the left-wing of the Democratic party branded her and Bill a racist for not embracing the ultra-left wing liberal ideas that they wanted.

Further, Obama didnt even vet her for the VP slot. If she's the VP nominee, the Democraps run away with the election, instead Obama chooses crossdresser-Biden to REALLY cement his "Change" message and deliver the always important state of Delaware.

Posted by: ABORT-OBAMA | September 10, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"ken, we might just do that and leave you to wallow in the misery you've chosen to make of this country. How's your home valued these days? Feel secure in your job? Figured out how you're going to cover your retirement, with a life expectancy probably approaching 85 years? How about taking care of your aging parents?

Pray to whatever god you pray to that you don't get seriously ill... BTW, I hear there's some awesome healthcare professionals in Cuba."

Uh, actually Cuban healthcare is a disaster...just like the rest of the country, according to Cubans anyway.

Aparatchik - congrats!! You just correctly identified the main concerns of many Americans...and the things they have the most control of. It was greed, not the Republicans that caused the housing crisis and got us into this mess. It is a lack of saving (individual American choice that has no parallel in the world) that is hurting our chances at a good retirement just at the point where we are living longer. But no worries, if our obesity rate (another individual choice) keeps rising we can fix the longevity problem.

Learn how America really works before you spout off about stuff you don't understand. Our party (Dems) should do well to listen to the one really good thing I have heard our candidate say - "It starts with individual responsibility" Were you listening?

Posted by: dpc | September 10, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I find it amazing that if you support McCain/
Palin you are uneducated and racist. You elitist snobs can always move to Europe.

Posted by: ken | September 10, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

This is what I think would reinvigorate the democratic ticket -- if Joe Biden voluntary stepped down, to make room for Hillary to step up. Joe's the right person to do it -- he's affable, generous, and gracious. And I'm sure he knows that getting Obama in is far more important than getting himself in the VP spot.

Posted by: robbie | September 10, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Shawn, 90% of blacks also supported Bill Clinton, and Kerry, and Gore."

No, Kerry was only at 77% and I doubt Gore and Clinton were much higher. There is a definite jump in support from the black vote for the black candidate. It is a definite fact of life that you will see some women vote GOP simply because of Palin, that some blacks will vote Dem simply because of Obmana's race, and that some whites will vote for McCain because he is white. But yes, if it is fair to criticize the "women for a woman" vote, it is fair to bring up the "blacks for a black" vote. The racism and sexism issues are not in bringing it up, it is on how those folks are voting.

Posted by: mark | September 10, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

ken, we might just do that and leave you to wallow in the misery you've chosen to make of this country. How's your home valued these days? Feel secure in your job? Figured out how you're going to cover your retirement, with a life expectancy probably approaching 85 years? How about taking care of your aging parents?

Pray to whatever god you pray to that you don't get seriously ill... BTW, I hear there's some awesome healthcare professionals in Cuba.

Posted by: aparatchik | September 10, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Jills - there is no way Hillary will be blamed if Obama loses. Why would she? Had Obama had the brains and respect to pick her as VP, there is no way he loses! Obama is not qualified, Hillary is and more and more folks are beginning to figure out that there was a reason that Obama's winning margin was less than 1%.

If anything, I wish Hillary had worked harder at exposing Obama's gross lack of qualification...something that more and more folks are figuring out. Dang, we missed a great opportunity. But hey, its only 4 years...

Posted by: dpc | September 10, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Sharon, if you can't see that you're being played by the Republicans, you may be beyond help. Comparing a strong, competent and intelligent woman like Hillary Clinton to the troglodyte trotted out by the Republicans is evidence enough of your own obsession with sex before merit.

Posted by: Just Joe | September 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I find it amazing that if you support McCain/
Palin you are uneducated and racist. You elitist snobs can always move to Europe.

Posted by: ken | September 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin's similarity to Hillary is gender only. Those who are jumping from Hillary to Palin are not looking at the issues. Palin is actually more like Bush: Incurious about matters outside the country (she got her first passport in 2007), pro-life, pro-gun, and anti-gay. Bush was Governer of the 2nd largest producing state of oil, Texas, while Palin is from the 1st largest, Alaska.
If the country goes Republican and McCain passes we will end up with another Bush abeit with a greater grasp of English.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton's will have the last laugh - in 2012. Obama had a chance to prove he could in fact reach across the aisle...in his own party, and he flubbed it. If he can't even do the right thing in his own party, how the heck can he reach across the real aisle and get something done for the country? He never has before...on ANY issue.

Hillary needs to go through the motions here...and she will do it like the pro she is. But her heart won't be in it...but it will in 2012.

Obama is toast - neither he, nor his campaign, can think on their feet. Imagine spending an entire week with your Presidential candidate attacking the other sides VP candidate. Hysterical.

Think about it folks - why do you think Obama lost all the debates to Hillary, and was crushed in the one semi debate with John McCain at Saddleback? He rejected any town hall debates with McCain because he would be destroyed in an environment where he takes direct questions from real people, rather than giving speeches to adoring crowds. He does not listen, reflect or consider well at all, he preaches. He is an idealogue who is no more deserving of being President than the guy in there now (but O is even less qualified)...and might just be worse in the job.

Writing in Hillary - now there is a great option.

Posted by: dpc | September 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I love how Sarah Palin comes out as all about family values and fiercely protected her children, but she joined the ticket of a man who tells cruel jokes another woman's child (Chelsea Clinton) and calls his own wife a "c*" in front of reporters? What a joke. Apparently it's fine to insult and demean girls and women as long as they aren't related to her?

Posted by: Nancy | September 10, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

It's in Hillary's interest for Barack to win.

If he doesn't she'll likely get blamed for the loss.

Also, even though I'm a Hillary supporter, let's not forget that she does care about having a place in history, and she's definitely trying to be the first woman to have any sort of official Executive role. She's not going to let someone claim a spot she believes should be hers.

Posted by: Jills | September 10, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can be light-hearted about the growing Palin lipstick flap, while also driving home the point that smart and thoughtful women will not vote for Palin solely because she is female, especially given Palin's dismal record on the issues that are of real importance to women (access to healthcare, education, equal pay, choice, etc.). How about this for starters:

"Voting for Palin solely because she is female is like putting lipstick on your forehead just to make-up your mind! Its simply a bad choice. No way, now how, no McCain, no Palin!"

Posted by: Electrableu | September 10, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Clinton should NOT help Obama.

Obama can stick it. The world is seeing how useless and vapid he is.

THE DEMS BLEW IT by pushing that airbag. If Clinton had been nominated, she'd be ripping McCain. Obama let his sexism and his wife's crazy venom get in the way of smart decision making. Obama didn't court the formidable female vote. Schmuck.

THIS WAS TOTALLY FORESEEABLE.

Clinton 2012.

Posted by: No way, No-bama | September 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Everyone talking about the mistake of not picking Hilary. They forget about the heated primaries and the many negative things she said about him. They found 2 comments Biden maid about Obama that were negative. Hilary had 3017 comments. Also Hilary is polarizing and would have fired up the republicans. The best thing Hilary can do is support Obama 100%. If not she will never be president. Biden is a good 2nd fiddle, but she would beat him due to her following and because of her support for Obama, Obama would have to support her over Biden.

Posted by: educatedRon | September 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Please ignore the "since" in the last sentence. I need an editor. :)

Posted by: independent voter | September 10, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary ever wants to be President she should not help Obama. Her greatest chance of becoming Prez is if Obama loses and she can run against Palin in 2012. If Obama wins, she'll have to take on Biden in a Democratic Nomination in 2016, it's hard to unseat a sitting VP running for the top of the ticket.
Hillary must do whatever she can do without upsetting the party to make sure Obama loses.

Posted by: GMAN | September 10, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent, but I lean left and McCain/Palin scares me.

I think the best thing the democrats, including Hillary can do is to campaign as if Palin doesn't exist. She's in way over her head and will crash and burn on her own, and she'll have a harder time whining about how badly she's being treated if no one's even saying her name. In addition, if she stops getting free publicity from the dems, she'll have to talk to the media to get her name in the paper, and then EVERYBODY wins (except Palin, since).

Posted by: independent voter | September 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's support for Obama will help the Republican ticket. GO HILLARY!!!

Posted by: MM | September 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

To ALL OF YOU RACISTS, STOP ALREADY WITH THE NONSENSE. We have a Democratic nominee and HRC should do whatever she could to support him. She did however try to sabbatoge his chances so I feel she should do whatever it takes instead of sitting back hoping. Palin is a LIAR, a CHEAT, and a racist as well as McCain. WAKE UP, unless you all are the same.

Posted by: Anna | September 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The Dems have found themselves backed into a nasty corner. They were supposed to be the party that advanced women's issues. Instead, they have proven they are the new old-boys club, proudly touting the 'bros before hos' theme. Feminists and Liberal women have found themselves backed into defending, yet again, the threat against Roe from those moralistic Republicans. It has completely escaped most people's notice that McCain has never proposed any legislation that specifically hurts women's rights in any way. When I examine his record on Ledbetter, I find he was in the right. It wasn't a vote against equal pay for women. It was a vote against a silly piece of legislation. Ledbetter could have won her case suing under the proper title of the law. As regards to the Roe threat, this is not an election on moral referendums, clearly. So the threat is...silly.

What should Hillary do?

Not a bloody thing. Why should she? She's an accomplished woman in her own right, and she came right up against the struggles women truly face today: real access to power, and the insidious forces of sexism. These forces destroyed her candidacy, and they were thrust upon her by HER OWN PARTY AND THE LIBERAL MEDIA.

What obligation is she under to now help those jerks, given the Republicans' surprise (and deft) maneuver to become the real 'agents of change' for women? The Republicans put a woman up for VP. They got their highest ranking women to come out strong against sexism. They condemned it the moment it started appearing in the media.

On the issue of access to power, and destroying sexism, the Republicans have suddenly seized the high ground and become champions of furthering women's agendas...over and against the liberals! The irony is so precious...

The one thing Hillary could do, if she so wanted, is to own her own position on what happened in the liberal Democratic camp. Sure, push for your party's guy because it's expected. But stand up and talk about what happened here, and recognize the fact, openly, that the liberals, for all their talk about women's rights and issues...threw us under the bus. And the Enemy, the Republicans, have taken the high ground on this one.

Now what are we, as women, going to do about it?

That should be Hillary's contribution to this discussion.

Posted by: sharonevolving | September 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

CHECK OUT THIS NEW STORY ON PALIN AND FAMILY

http://www.ersnews.com/permas_stories_updates/Pal_Fam.htm

Posted by: ERSNews.com | September 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Hillary owes Barack absolutely NOTHING! As a life-long Democrat who will write-in Senator Clinton's name on my Idaho ballot, it wouldn't bother me in the least if she just gave him the same 'Obama shoulder brush-off' he so arrogantly gave her.

Posted by: mpwynn | September 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Frightening to see that there are apparently humongous numbers of un(der) educated white women out there... I'm at a loss for an explanation for a 20 point shift, other than to conclude, based on this empirical evidence: y'all are stupid, ya hear?!!

US Weekly, In Touch and People are not political rags, people, nor will the TV screen at the supermarket checkout counter provide you guidance. Focus on the facts, the record, and the history. HRC is better qualified to do this than ANY other surrogate, because she HAS the record, the credibility, to take this Palin joke to task for her beliefs, opinions, and professional history.

The simple fact alone that this woman is on the ticket makes one thing abundantly clear: Empire in decline. 50 years from now this election will be viewed as the beginning of the end.

Posted by: aparatchik | September 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Voters will be shocked at the voting booth knowing its John Mccain running for president and not Palin. Damn Mccain is same as Bush just a bit older. He won't bring us jobs back infact he encouraged companies tax breaks by shipping jobs out of Ohio and Michigan and Winsonsin and PA. He is against subsidies to farmers in Iowa. Mccain is for raising payroll taxes.

Posted by: tony | September 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse


I love it! Obama is in cheerleading tryouts. Doesn’t look like he is gonna win. So what does he do? He comes back crying for help. Wants the DNC to send in ‘momma Hillary’ to break some kneecaps for him. Then he can disavow having even sent her. Once again trying to make her look like the heavy.

No Hillary should support all down stream candidates to insure/improve the Congressional majority. But Obama dug his own hole and she should not at any cost try to pull him out of it. His did his own damage and I don’t want him sullying Hillary with his mess. It is way past time for this man to grow up. No amount of instantaneous vile bloggers or army of trash mongering text messagers will help him now matter of fact they have aided and abetted his demise by continually fanning the flames of contempt.

Posted by: Mary | September 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm an independent I've voted red and voted blue.

Been leaning to O for a while still keeping an open mind for McCain. With the pick of Palin now it's O for me. I see Palin as a pandering clown with no qualifications. I've lived in Alaska, Ive been to Wasilla. Alaska is the fattest pig at the federal teat.

Will Hillary help out the democrats now? Hell no. It's been clear to me all along that she puts her personal interests above her party and her country. Look at how she dragged out the Dem nomination and nearly divided the party.

It's typical Clinton - It's all about her and if O\B lose this one she'll get another chance to server her own selfish interests and run for the nomination again. She cant resist the lust for power and personal gain.


AHHH run Frodo she's after the RING!!!!!

Posted by: Sick of the Hypocrisy | September 10, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

If Hilary feels 'mistreated', crosses her arms and huffs that she won't play then she reinforces the worst stereotypes of women: that they're petulant, emotional and vindictive. The problem with her campaign was that it was all about 'her', not the country, not the problems, not the nasty Republicans who have made a mess of this country.

If she doesn't do everything she can, including helping to neutralize the current Republican Idol, then she is clearly demonstrating that she cares more about herself than about our country. America can not afford any more years of divisive partisan deadlock and Republican policies. The stakes are too high. She knows that and needs to get involved...in anyway that helps.

Obama said it very well this morning:

I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and Swift Boat politics. Enough is enough."

"We've got an energy crisis," Obama said ..... "We have an education system that is not working for too many of our children and making us less competitive. We have an economy that is creating hardship for families all across America. We've got two wars going on, veterans coming home not being cared for -- and (lipstick) is what they want to talk about.

"You know who ends up losing at the end of the day? It's not the Democratic candidate. It's not the Republican candidate. It's you, the American people. Because then we go another year, or another four years or another eight years without addressing the issues that matter to you."

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should just stay out of it. She has no business going on attack. She lost the primary now sit out and watch Palin play the game.

Posted by: john | September 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary Clinton really wants to be the President of the United States of America, she must stand aside and let Barack Obama fail.

By the way, that's what's probably best for the Democrat Party, too.

She should go give speeches, earn money to pay off campaign debt, be quiet (as possible) about election specifics, go be a good senator, and come roaring back in four years.

That is her only shot at this point.

By waiting, she will let Palin take all the flack (that she started to take), the grrl-pwr novelty will be gone but she will still have the Clinton cache.

There is a small point to be made that if Biden is dropped, she'll take the spot. But I think there is too much of a 'sloppy seconds' vibe with that, and she'll end up damaging her brand - and the Democrat ticket - more. And she will still lose.

Best bet: stand aside; come back to fight another day; do good works in the meantime

Posted by: Sarah R | September 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary Clinton really wants to be the President of the United States of America, she must stand aside and let Barack Obama fail.

By the way, that's what's probably best for the Democrat Party, too.

She should go give speeches, earn money to pay off campaign debt, be quiet (as possible) about election specifics, go be a good senator, and come roaring back in four years.

That is her only shot at this point.

By waiting, she will let Palin take all the flack (that she started to take), the grrl-pwr novelty will be gone but she will still have the Clinton cache.

There is a small point to be made that if Biden is dropped, she'll take the spot. But I think there is too much of a 'sloppy seconds' vibe with that, and she'll end up damaging her brand - and the Democrat ticket - more. And she will still lose.

Best bet: stand aside; come back to fight another day; do good works in the meantime

Posted by: Sarah R | September 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Palin disgusts me.
Palin disgusts me.
Palin disgusts me.
Palin disgusts me.

Posted by: Former Hillary supporter | September 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's acknowledge Palin has done to repub base in just 10 days what Hillary couldn't do for months. Palin is all Hillary and then some. There is nothing Hillary can do now to stop Palin's popularity.

Posted by: mark | September 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

1. Demos should analyze the cause of this setback, not just jump for an alternative. Palin's counterpart is not Hillary.

2. Every consequence arise from a cause, If Hillary had been treated fair enough in Primary as we see in Florida and Michigan, If she's picked instead of Biden, You plant the tree, you enjoy the fruit, no matter bit or sweet.

3. An Acient Chinsese War Master once said, the best way to crash an army is by targeting the king, the best way to conquer is not by fight muscle, but by fight morale.

4. The point is, Dem haven't find the key, Palin is not worshiped based on issues, can't be tarnished by facts, Women like her and will take everything of her, she's just an idol, a 2008 new season idol


Posted by: Floatby | September 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Shawn, 90% of blacks also supported Bill Clinton, and Kerry, and Gore.

If you recall, when the democratic primaries began. Hillary Clinton actually had a high majority of black voters.

Posted by: Rod | September 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is no fool. She knows her strength is with women. She can't belittle Palin because she would turn off a lot of women who are for her.

I think the Democrats and Media are blinded that Palin only appeals to women. I think she is winning over men as well.

I really think Hillary and Bill are laughing. Obama and the DNC treated her badly. She will help her party and I admire her for that....I personally would have told them where they can go.

Posted by: concerned08 | September 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary should send Palin her favorite lipstick...a little gesture of quiet support for Palin...Hillary's only chance at being President is for the failure of Obama/Biden.

Posted by: psegler | September 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Palin totally dissed Hillary and called her a whiner than stole her 18 million cracks saying. If I was Hillary I sucker punch that woman with a couple of cool words and laugh as all feminists cheered and framed those words and put them on their walls. Palin needs to go back to the 1900's and take McCain with her. We didn't come this far to see a woman like that elected to high office. American politics is a joke.

Posted by: Bambi | September 10, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

great post Rashun.

I'm a Black American as well.

If Barack Obama were the republican nominee, and presented to me the same perspectives on the US and the same policies that John McCain pushes today. I would NEVER vote for Barack Obama because he would not be on my side, and I would be voting against my best interests.

"Democrat" Women voting for Sarah Palin. Would be like Black Democrats voting for Alan Keyes.

Identity politics is IGNORANCE. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Rod | September 10, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse


Hillary is not responsible for Obama's misfortune and should stay away from the politics...Obama did not chose Hillary as VP, and that is why he will lose the election...If he had chosen her it would have been a cake-walk...Now, the next four years is not far away, and Hillary will run again, Si, Hil should not do anything for Obama, as he lacked confidence in her... So let him face his own fate, Hil is better and will be back after 4 years and win the white house......Again, there are many white people who will not vote for Obama because he is black.....

Posted by: Rajendra Ram | September 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

What we must do to win:

Barack Obama makes the announcement that he is stepping aside, relinquishing the nomination in favor of Hillary.

Obama becomes VP candidate.

Is this Democratic party suicide? I don't think so. How to present it to America? Truthfully. As the best possibility for winning the White House, in the most important election in our nation's history.

In addition to all the important issues that hang in the balance in this election, one of my greatest fears is the dire financial position the country finds itself in: massive (doubled under Bush) national debt, massive budget deficit, massive trade deficit, unprecedented levels of personal debt, tanking dollar, mortgage crisis, credit crisis, and more. The US could well be headed to a financial meltdown. Don't believe "it can't happen to the US". It can. And McCain/Palin, admittedly economic neophytes, will likely worsen the situation.

I truly don't believe the unprecedented move of Obama stepping aside would destroy the party, if it were presented in honest and stark terms to the American public. It would change the dynamics of the landscape immediately. It would (finally) be the attack, which has never been given full voice up to now, on the eight year republican era that has brought us to our precarious position in the world. It would be bold, a shock to the system, controversial, destructive, constructive, and absolutely re-energizing.

But I think the "bold" part is really what makes this scenario seem so crazy to people. Because we Dems, regardless of whatever else you can say, we have not been, and are not, bold.

We are on a path to defeat, and I think the consequences to our country cannot be overestimated. By making this move, we can bring the full power of all elements of the Democratic party to the fight, including regaining the appeal to women voters who want to vote for Hillary.

In this election, which we MUST win, it is time to be bold enough to go on the attack and to win. Nothing is more important for the future of the USA.

Posted by: Steve Chambers | September 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

What Hillary should do is attack McCain for undermining women.

She should open with disgust at the McCain "Hot chicks dig Obama" ad and say it is insulting to women everywhere.

Then following such a powerful lead she could go into how McCain's policy hurt the average woman. Explain how his tax cuts go only to the wealthy where Barak's plan would cut taxes on almost every working women. She then could go into how the next President will nominate three judges and if McCain wins how we will have the most conservative court in the history of the United States.

What Barak Obama needs to do is state out flatly that Hillary will get a high level cabinet position. This will drive the news cycle for a few days and take the focus off of Palin.

Posted by: Greg | September 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Chris of the Fix...I find your blog personally insulting. I know the mainstream media wants to make this election about things other than the real issues in America, but as Obama has said before "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

Hillary is Hillary. Stop trying to drag the Clintons back into the presidential race because of mainstream media's love affair with "Clinton Drama".

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! We have got an economy going down the tank (i.e. 8th straight month of job losses, government bailouts of major creditors, financial firms with large losses, $400 billion plus federal government deficits with more yet to come) and a "War On Terror" with two countries Iraq and Afghanistan that has been ongoing since 2002 with Afghanistan slipping more into disarray while Bush and McCain talk about victory in Iraq with over 140,000 U.S. troops still in Iraq and America continually spends $10 billion a month in Iraq.

It is a freakin' shame that we are one day away from remembering 9/11 for the 7th time and Al Qaeda is still strong and Bin Laden is living in a cave in Pakistan sippin' tea and planning his next terrorist moves!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Where is Palin's vail to cover her face. McCain has got to be a secret Muslim, how else do one explain the need to keep his women quiet? I want to puke everytime I see them. Are they dating or running for office?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't know where you've been, but there has been plenty of coverage about Obama and the black vote. Who cares? So if I'm a black woman than who do I vote for Palin or Obama? This truly is a nation of sheep.

Posted by: Rashun | September 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Most of men and some of the women just don't get it. Women want one of them to be elected to the highest office just as blacks want Obama being elected. They support Palin just as more than 90% of blacks support Obama. They would have given the same support to Hillary.

Hillary knows it and she will be foolish to say anything negative about Palin.

It is that simple. Why bother to analyse something this simple.

You will have to be really stupid not to understand it.

Posted by: Shawn | September 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Face it Demos and Repubs. neither party chose the best candidate to head the ticket. We the general public don't like either one of them. I can't believe how out of touch the party leadership is. neither presidential candidate represents the Americn public. Sara Palin is the only candidate we the middle Americans can relate to. We are tired if Lawyers going to Washington to take advantage of us. Another flash for Demo leadership, the majority of Americans are either moderates or conservatives. Give us someone who we feel best represents us as average American, not solcialistic liberals. You are supposed to be intelligent people, how can we trust the government afairs to people who don't even know who we are.

Posted by: Josh | September 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I supported Hillary in the beginning. I do not feel that Hillary Clinton has any obligation to do anything to help "Barack Obama". I also do not feel that how Hillary Clinton was percieved to have been treated, or not treated is an issue that should decide anyones vote.

Hillary Clinton does however have an obligation to show that she wasnt just a "candidate", and her concern for this country and its direction didnt end with her bid for the white house. For her to not give 100% when she knows that she can influence the ultimate choice between Democratic policy and Republican policy for the next 8 years, in a brittle world where republican policy has failed us would mean to me that Hillary didnt care.

It will really get personal when a spite vote turns into an admistration and law that destroys all of the things you hoped this country would accomplish in the comming years.

Your vote will end up biting you in the rear when YOU cant get affordable healthcare for your family, when your children are shipped off for combat time and time again and are not taken care of when they turn home emotionally or physically battered, when you cant afford to pay for your children go to college and they cant qualify for federal financial aid. When Roe V. Wade is overturned and the women's rights movement is set back 50 years.


Our respect and image is on the line before the entire world.

If you supported Hillary Clinton, and can turn a 180 and support John McCain, you are fickle. You were fickle in your support of Hillary Clinton, because your belief in her was purely for superficial reasons.

Elect John McCain, Revenge might be sweet nectar for a moment, but the 8 year hangover wont be.

Posted by: Rod | September 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton should be the lead democratic spokes- WOMAN with the "democratic" message coordinated with democratic women governors, and well-respected woman leaders(business woman, those who run charities and government). Speeches, campaign visits, press releases, media interviews, articles ...should be be on message.
*Step up visibility and messaging with media and on campaign trail in key states.
*Stay on MESSAGE with bread & butter women's issues and why the policy of Obama/Biden is the change we need. Why McCain is Bush and is more of the same and is lying.. lipstick on a pig. Barely mention Palin as more of the same.
*Have regular middle class women tell their stories and why they are for Obama/Biden policies and why it is the change they need.

Posted by: lucy2008 | September 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

O'biden = Good old boys club...... not change

Posted by: dl | September 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

To all those who fantasize that Hillary Clinton will be an option in 2012:

If McCaint and Palin get elected this year, you can bet your sweet bippy that Palin will make the running in 2012.

I assume then you are really hoping for a Hillary Clinton try for 2018. That's a long shot if ever I heard of one.

Get serious folks, Chris Brown in Hamburg

Posted by: Chris Brown | September 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

There is a double standard at play here. One that is not mentioned by the media, which leads many to believe the media is biased.
There is much coverage of whether women are voting by gender, but nothing about whether blacks are voting by race.
Why is one up for discussion, but the other is off limits?

Posted by: Juan | September 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's contribution to the Obama campaign over the next 8 weeks could be one of example. I would agree that it is certainly not her place to attack Palin. Hopefully, the shock value/energy boost provided with the Palin choice will wane. Personally I think Hillary ran a strong campaign, but she lost to Obama and thats that. She now needs to renew her influence with white women and provide contrast to the politics of Palin. Palin in the white house does establish a woman in the white house, which seems to be all that matters for some women, but is she the right woman to be a voice for american women. It is in this uncertainty that Hillary could bring women back to the democratic ticket, while not damaging her reputation (or the prospect of her future campaigning).

Posted by: Kevin | September 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I've read in the posts below how electing teh republicans will eliminate the middle class. Can we successfully say that taxing the crap out of the people will eliminate the middle class also.

One writer claims Obama will start paying down our debt. How? Do you not know how much it will cost annually to provide health care for 140 million people? How about spending 400 million on education? How about adding 5 billion to NASA? How about the extra money toward alternative fuels which by the way he is against sugar cane development, and nuclear power.

Someone else states the republicans are in charge of DC now. Do you not know that the democrats have congress and they have done nothing to help the middle class. Spending is still increasing, I remember them promising to end Iraq, fix health care, fix social security and fix fuel costs. Well we are still in Iraq, health care is still screwed up, social security is still on pace to be bankrupted when I retire, and gas is at an all time high. With this kind of action, I can only pray to god that Obama doesn't get elected.

Please, lets not forget all of his "friends" that have all kinds of legal issues. His VP's son is a lobbyist for the financial district. I guess Mr. Obama isn't as high and mighty as he claims to be.

Posted by: NOBAMA | September 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

If the press and the democratic party hadn't made Hillary's race about her gender then all of these white women wouldn't be flocking to Palin right now. I'm not condoning the action but I understand. Even reading these posts I've seen the phrase "beauty contest" and a reference to women as stupid because they would support a woman, any woman, in this election. Women support Palin the same reason african-americans will vote for Obama even if they are republicans. If your own is degraded and put down, you tend to want to fight for them, regardless of political affiliation.

Posted by: heather | September 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm black or rather I have a higher melanin content in my skin than you and lets just clarify. I would be proud if Obama or some other individual with dark skin was running on the Republican ticket, but would I vote for him...HECK NO. I am independent and I'm really tired of everyone assuming that all people of color vote based on race alone. Race is a socially constructed concept that everyone feeds into. Since I'm German too I could be more closely related to you than that white woman from wherever sitting next to you in the coffee shop, but I realize most people in America Just don't get it!!! God help us all if this unqualified political ploy who has nothing in common with me than a chromosome is elected to office. Vote on the issues.

Posted by: Rashun | September 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

My opinion as an Independent is Ms Clinton is only being faithful to the Dem party in her words and actions. I can't believe she chooses Obama considering her words and thoughts during the Dem nomination race.
I think Ms Clinton should stay out it.
I would have voted for Ms Clinton...I won't vote for Obama.
He has no substance.
His experience lacks creditability.

Posted by: RHinTex | September 10, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Chris is absolutely right that the end game is Obama losing this election to open up the next one for Clinton, and I don't think it is unfolding outside the strategic planning. I assume the meetings between Clinton's financial backers and the McCain strategists saw that she could swing the election to him by not attacking Palin if and when Hillary was not given the VP slot, which would trigger the Palin strategy. The key to a Republican win is women, which is like Jews voting for the Nazis because they put Indiana Jones on the ticket, but that's show biz. The background game isn't democrat versus republican, but the military industrial complex continuing its top down militarization of the country, unchecked by an actual maverick with a bottom up organization. Nobody without the grass roots grounding can do anything but read their marching orders and obey their masters.

Posted by: Dan Lee | September 10, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please!

After the way Obama derided the Clintons' accomplishments, attacked their character, inferred that they're racists, refused to vet or consider her for VP, and did little to relive her campaign debt, he now has the gall to want her to handle his Palin problem?

As if!


Posted by: JoeCHI | September 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

WET START __WET START___WET START that resulted in the death of 100 on the USS Forrestal....


KEATING 5 KEATIN 5 MCCAIN AND HIS RUNNING MATE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

hILLERY WILL NOT HELP OBAMA --SHE IS SELF SERVING AS ALWAYS...

Posted by: reagan | September 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

No disrespect, but this "middle age white woman" group that has now flocked to McCain ONLY because he picked a female VP is part of the reason we're in this bad place to begin with. How can you so blindly ignore the issues and just throw all your support BLINDLY behind someone so unqualified. And I agree, this isn't Hillary's fight either - for all I care, this can be her revenge on Obama. But don't sit there and claim "he should have picked Hillary for VP to avoid this" when you know that move would have made no sense. This is the problem with this country - and why Bush got re-elected. Somebody will do a nice magic trick for you, say a few lies, and you're that easily brain-washed. You still have 2 months to get your mind right - don't make a fool of yourself again...

Posted by: Macius | September 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Looks like I won't have to wait for November to hear Democrats regreting their push for Obama. As usual they voted with their guilt instead of their heads. If it's alright for blacks to vote for race why is it wrong for women to vote for gender? I think HRC should go out and strongly stump for Obama like she is running herself and push issues,issues,issues. Show deomocrats what party is and do everything she can to get him elected. It is time for the democrats to unite and show the country what the democratic party is all about and it is the only party for working and poor people.

Posted by: Ann | September 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

You poor BHO worshipers are as blind as the Germans for Hitler were, just look at how the Germans poured out for BHO. Its pathetic, if you look at how many Generals and Admirals have retirement paperwork submitted in case the inept BHO wins.

God bless America!!!

Posted by: CPO USN RET | September 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break Washingtonpost. Stop feeding the Republican trolls with stories like this. Hillary as VP would have completely been a different direction for Obama's campaign, its about as equivalent of McCain picking Mitt Romney as his vice President.

The Obama campaign is way ahead of the press and us on how to run the campaign and you're seeing the work happen right now as the campaign push back hard on the outrageous sexist complaints the McCain campaign have been reduced to using as political ploys.

Posted by: JEFO | September 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

TJ - A minor quibble: WW was never a candidate or a nominee for VP. He had been Governor of NJ and President of Princeton U. before he ran for POTUS. His utterly unbending personal style was unattractive, in hindsight.

As I posted at the beginning of this thread, it is not a winning strategy to campaign against a VP nominee. The Ds threw boulders at RMN in 1952 and against DQ in 1988. These efforts were wasted. They would be wasted again this year, if any Rs think JB is an "issue" and if any Ds think SHP is an "issue". Whatever the daily polling says, experience tells us that VPs do not affect election outcomes.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama is getting a taste of his own medicine.

If not for his constant racism claims against Hilary and Bill Clinton during the primary, he would be our nominee.

I voted for Obama in the primary, and that was with great faith that he would stand up for us against tabloid Washington politics.

Obama has proven he is only interested in winning -- not change -- not reform -- only his own personal ambition.

I am a Democrat and will proudly vote for John McCain this fall. He has earned my vote and my trust.

Posted by: Rinoflavin | September 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should ignore Palin. Its a distraction. When push comes to shove, those that voted for Hillary, won't vote for McCain, simply because Palin is on McCain's ticket.

Hillary should work quietly behind the scenes campaigning to try to deliver to the Democrats, those that voted for her in the spring; white women, lower income blue collar workers, and Hispanics.

Concentrating mainly in the swing states that make the most sense; Florida, Penn, Ohio, Michigan, NV, and NM. If the Democrats flip only a couple of swing states, plus, holding on to their own, its over. Hillary CAN help with that. But not if she gets into a meaningless and potentially damaging cat-fight with Palin.

As far as Obama and Biden are concerned, they can attack and defend themselves in the debates. Which is where I've always believed the election would ultimately be won or lost.

Posted by: Scott - Fort Worth | September 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey,LauraInMissouri

Sarah Palin has as much experience as Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson had when they were VP picks

Posted by: TJ | September 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm very disappointed in Hillary right now. For starters, let me say I would have voted for Clinton all along, up to the point where she lied about coming under sniper fire on a trip to Bosnia. Personally, I've never been shot at in my life. If I had, it's something I'd always remember. I wouldn't be able to forget the details of that experience. I only switched my allegiance to Obama after Hillary got caught in her lie, late in the primary season.
Now, her relative silence about Sarah Palin seems to be her way of getting back at Obama for a.) losing the primary, and b.) losing the VP bid. I mean, the two women are so diametrically opposed to one another I just can't believe that Hillary isn't screaming her objection to the words "Hillary Clinton" even coming out of Sarah Palin's mouth.
Hillary needs to speak up now and she needs to be loud & clear about it. Otherwise, the Dems will lose this election. And while Hillary (and Bill, for that matter) will have the satisfaction of seeing Obama vanquished, the American people will indeed be subject to four more Bush-Cheney years.

Posted by: don | September 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should go after Palin just like she would go after any opponent - by arguing the issues. There are so many issues with which to bounce back at Palin -such as education, abortion rights, science, her record. If she gives Palin a pass because she is a woman she is guilty of sexism.

Posted by: A in SB | September 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton, encourage people to vote
for change not lipstick.

Posted by: Jerry | September 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Hillary isn't a puppet to be brought out for the DNC's pleasure. She's out of this thing, just like the Bots wanted. Thank God, HRC 2012 Puma!

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Rock on. By then, a new crop of 50-year-old Supreme Court Justices will be appointed, Roe v. Wade will be history, and while the court busies itself with pushing the nation further and further right, you can work on getting all of those Obama supports you scuttled in '08 to hop on board and get out the vote for Hillary.

The Democrats will never win another election in 2012 or ever with the party behaving this way, because the ones you screw in '08 will be the ones that screw you back in '12. You'll probably go on to screw them again in '16, assuming we all still have the right to vote by then.

Posted by: Joe | September 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

How loverly. The chickens are starting to roost. The Democratic party has always been a party of personalities. They just love to hear themselves talk which is why they picked Obama. The choice should have been obvious to Obama but no, he has to like the person, feel comfortable with them and all the rest of that crap. In the cocoon that is his campaign he was convinced by his yes people that after defeating Clinton all would be roses, well the rose turned out to be briarpatch.

I also clearly remember him saying during a press interview that 'Hillary Clinton's voters would vote for him but he was not sure his would vote for her' well if the polls are to be believed that statement was another of his delusional remarks.

He has shown that he is politically naive and the DNC terminally stupid. So all of his adoring disciples had better get ready for the 12 step program they are going to need in November.

Posted by: jimVermont | September 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

what's the difference between a pitbull and sarah palin? a pitbull can't read. seriously, hillary better take on palin right now. if mccain wins hillary will be facing palin in 2012 not mccain. it will be a beauty contest that hillary won't win.

Posted by: jerry eklund | September 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

What those who assume Obama should have chosen Hilary for his running mate are forgetting is that it was no sure bet to the presidency: Hilary comes with Bill. There were many Republicans who would have been thrilled with Bill because they had not just old ammunition but new, involving yet more and ongoing philandering and suspect business deals. And why do you assume that the American people would instantly have embraced a slate with not one but TWO previously unheard of categories, a black man and a white woman, TOGETHER? Obama made a very wise choice in choosing one non-polarizing traditional figure for his partner in this race.

What horrifies me is that "feminism" is now being defined as electing a woman. I'd like to see a national conversation about what the word really means. I personally would never elect a woman whose values contradict my self-interest as a woman, starting with my right or my daughter's right to an abortion in cases of rape or incest. A Palin/McCain supreme court would make this right non-existent within a few years.

I think Hilary is the only person who can radically and effectively combat Sarah Palin, and I am deeply disappointed that she is not jumping in full force to point out to all of her former (?) supporters just how anti-female Palin's political and social views are towards women. I have to wonder what is going on in her mind: is she not-so secretly hoping Obama loses, so the nation can go so far under in another extension of the Republican monarchy that she can ride in on a white horse in 2012?

Posted by: Iskra Johnson | September 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

VERY well said Lowry!!!

- Michael

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | September 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The shift of women to Palin only proves that women are STUPID, and this IS just a personality contest. This should be a real arrow in the heart of McCain's ego that he needs a woman to make the "team" look exciting. Palin is the token woman that men used years ago to make it look as if they were serious about equality. If she is elected, McCain will send her to funerals, ceremonies and photo ops. So, as I said, any woman who votes for the GOP ticket because of Palin has lost her mind, and is as stupid as McCain thought she was. Hillary has "real" experience and skill, and Palin just has a vagina.

Hillary should take her to task like she did Obama!!!!!

Posted by: og | September 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

If 90+ % of blacks can vote for Obama with nary an eyebrow raised, why can't some 60% of women vote for Palin without being heaped with critcism?

Posted by: Heidi | September 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I am a Democratic supporter. I believe in Barack Obama's ideas for change. However, you had to know that John McCain would pull a punch like adding a woman to his ticket when Barack didn't name Hillary Clinton to his. When he (McCain) said, "Now don't you think we made the right choice for VP?!" he wasn't commenting on her being a bright, innovative woman. He was saying she is female and I recognize the fact that I need a woman to win enough votes for President. She is an obscure figure in American politics. He he was looking for a female with no power and too many distractions (family) to bother him in office. Look at his trophy wife. Do you honestly think he believes that Sarah Palin is actually capable of being president? John McCain is about the same thing most Repulicans are about: power and money. It's time we see something different. 7 houses, votes with George Bush, do you all really want a repeat of where we are now? This country was built on the backs of the average working American (white, black, asian, hispanic and more) and it's government MUST see to the needs of it's people or it will perish. So goes the security and wealth of the middle class of America, so goes the country.

Posted by: LauraInMissouri | September 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should speak clearly, and often, about the policy differences between the Democrats and the McCain-Palin ticket. Since the culture war aspects of Palin's beliefs seem to be escaping the notice of some of the women flocking to the Republican ticket, everyone in the campaign should stress these, factually and without hysteria or accusation.

Posted by: Manzanita Margaret | September 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse


If Hillary does anything to hurt Palin she will lose her female support and possibly her 2012 presidential run.

Obama is a sexist pig.

All women understand that, some accept it, most do not.

Posted by: julia | September 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Pathetic PUMAs have shown their true spots. These are re-publicans, how else could they be calling for votes for Mc & P.

As for the "pig with lipstick". How may I enquire does that differ from the pit bull with lipstick? I suppose some find pit bulls (or should that be bullettes, or pit cows) more attractive than pigs. Personally I couldn't give a puck how much lipstick you put on a hokey mom.

Let's get back to the real issue. The re-publicans who are running D.C. currently under the Bush will still be there for McC and P. Look who is writing their script: Mathew Scully (speech writer for Pale and Bush) Herr Schmidt (main media spinner for Bush & McC) and of course the attack dog himself pit-bullet Rover.

It makes a big difference who is elected this November. Either you get more war and bancruptcy with the Re-pubs. or an attempt to pay down the national debt with the Demócrats. Hasn't anyone noticed that the Bushbabies are bailing out the private owners of Fannie and Fred? Things are dire and are going to get worse before they get better.

Watch your money shrink, Chris Brown in Hamburg

Posted by: Chris Brown | September 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Stop putting so much focus on Palin. The Dems are just playing into the hands of the GOP. Spend enough time talking about Palin and you won't have any time to show why McPlain is a horrible choice for president. He's who needs to be gone after.

Posted by: Xander | September 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Back on topic -- I would say, Chris, that Hillary Clinton's supporters, the ones who believe in her causes, are fully behind Obama. Palin basically despises those voters and doesn't want them. The ones Obama has to worry about are female voters who supported Hillary due to her celebrity status. For those voters, Hillary would need to make a big splash somehow, and I don't know what that would mean in this context. The point would be moot is Palin self-destructs, which is still a possibility. McCain will try to guard her from scrutiny, keeping her away from the press, basically because she's weak in a dozen ways. People like you have to insist on getting interview time.

Posted by: jchaney | September 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This election is a circus. I can't believe that McCain is still in the running. I can't believe that women are actually switching their vote based on the fact Palin is a woman. I just don't believe it. It can't be true...There are indeed many stupid woman out there. Palin is going to set women back 100 years, she lies about her time in government and people are still eating up this bs.

Posted by: Annie | September 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

People need to stop being bitter that Hillary lost the nom and realize that Obama is a WAY better choice to run this country than McCain -period.

This is not a popularity contest -It is beyond me why people chose to be bitter and risk the future of our county over it. I have talked to so many supposedly smart people who just want to take their ball and go home because they didn't get their favorite candidate to represent them. As if 4 more years of a conservative agenda would not be an absolute disaster.

Are we adults -or are we still in the 3rd grade?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should speak clearly, and often, about the policy differences between the Democrats and the McCain-Palin ticket. Since the culture war aspects of Palin's beliefs seem to be escaping the notice of some of the women flocking to the Republican ticket, everyone in the campaign should stress these, factually and without hysteria or accusation.

Posted by: Manzanita Margaret | September 10, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Why do people assume Hillary WANTED to be VP? That would kill any chance of running against Obama in '12, assuming he gets in. She'd have to wait until '16, and then she'd have to deal with whatever baggage that inevitably comes from being with an incumbent president. Silly.

If she wants to help Obama win, I think she should go ultra-negative. Focus on Palin's policies, keep it honest, but bite her head off while doing it. Clinton's are good at one thing, and it's viciously tearing their enemies to shreds. She makes it clear she ain't for Palin, she doesn't need to say she loves Barack.

Posted by: Robert | September 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

When the Bots told us to get over it, Clinton Dems said fine. When they told us it was over, you lost. We said fine. When they pushed Hillary to suspend her campaign and threatened her delegates to vote for BO they did. Now that BO has been chosen for the Dem ticket Hillary shouldn't do anything for him. She isn't his puppet. If the Dems wanted to win this election they would have made the right choice and elected HRC. She won all the battleground states, BO stole the caucuses. You get what you paid for. Hillary isn't a puppet to be brought out for the DNC's pleasure. She's out of this thing, just like the Bots wanted. Thank God, HRC 2012 Puma!

Posted by: Bacio83 | September 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

dcl, we have not seen a poll on the relative breast size of these women. Perhaps you could undertake the effort. Perception is, in this matter, more telling than reality, so you will not have to make an ungentlemanly approach to the governor or the senators, who are protected by security just for events such as unwanted inquiries into breast size.

hrc supporter, the senator whom you support could become as well regarded in the senate as Sen. Kennedy if she so chooses. Somehow, his public style has not kept him from making deep friendships and strong alliances across party lines.

It is because we do not understand the phenomenon at all that bsimon's advice rings true - there must be a secret to building credibility in the Senate that is completely different from that which makes for a popular but failed presidential candidacy. At this time, it is the latter historical fact that the senator you support and Sen. Kennedy have in common.

The senator whom you support can become an effective campaigner for Sen. Obama, and Wolfson's articulation of how she can do it seems as reasonable as any.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | September 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

People are finally wising up to the subtle and insidious ways that Obama can orchestrate his own victimization to garner sympathy: First, it was the race issue involving Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and anyone else who questioned his experience--yet he only denounced his own pastor's blatant racism when forced too. Then, he urged us to vote for him because he brings home and change and to disregard his own woeful lack of national experience--less than two years in the Senate before announcing his presidential candidacy. Now he decries Palin's lack of experience as a Governor! The DNC and media handed Obama this nomination while counting out Hillary from February through June, continually asking, "why is she still in this race?" even though she continued to win primaries. She owes Obama NOTHING, and she argued that her wins in bellweather states that mattered such as Ohio, Pennsylvannia, etc. were more indicative of her viability than his wins in South Carolina or Virginia.

Posted by: Lowry | September 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

She ought to get out of the palm of Obama's hands! She needs to continue to show solidarity for HUMAN RIGHTS! She should never give that up, and knuckle under.

Posted by: Electress | September 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

DNC should've at least gotten Hillary a VP spot, but they didn't (thanks Nancy Pelosi). McCain 08 Hillary 12

Posted by: Dmitriy | September 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Dana: I think it's too hard to tell from those photos. Anyway, wouldn't you basically then have to argue that Palin's second daughter, Willow, was the actual mother of Trig?

Posted by: jchaney | September 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Hillary can help us win back the pet, lip stick and fashion vote. No Seriously!

Schmidt, Rove and Davis are attacking the Pig Wearing Lipstick? Because they branded Governor Sarah Palin as their Pit bull wearing Lip stick? What is the difference between a Pig and a Pit bull?

Pigs, also called hogs or swine, are ungulates which have been domesticated as sources of food, leather, and similar products since ancient times. From Wikipedia

Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family that were historically used for dog fighting. From Wikipedia

Proof that they are attempting to steal the fashion vote and the pet vote.

In my storage room where I parked my computer this artist is looking for a quick response!
Ok for the courtship I need a headline - Democrats courting all Republican and Independent voters who love Lipstick, Fashion and pets!

For inspiration I'm looking at my favorite videos. For lip stick lets see how about - Super Bowl XXXVIII Commercial - Bud Light 6 of 8 (Lipstick). For fashion - Diesel 'Liquid Space' Holographic Fashion Show. For Pet owners - Talking dogs and Funny Cats. Do think my quick response will work?

I never thought this election might be decided on Missy Piggy vs Pit Bull with lip stick. I bet the whole world's online community is thinking “So this is America and Democracy?” Yes I say! This is our finest hour! 55 more days!

Posted by: Cooday | September 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Any woman that votes for parts rather than issues on behalf of all decent woman, you sincerely and truly disgust us.

Posted by: Lydia | September 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I am sorry to say that come November Democrats are likely to regret nominating Obama for President and further regret Obama's bone-headed decision to pass over Clinton as his VP choice. Women want a voice at the top eschelon of power and it is time they get it.

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He could still put Clinton in his Cabinet, you know. Secretary of State is arguably a more significant role than Vice President anyway, which basically amounts to global funeral detail and waiting for the President to die. Maybe this is what he should do (although for the record, Bush already has a female Secretary of State, so it's not as if this would be the first time a woman has held such a high office).

I preferred Obama over Clinton in the primaries, but not because I had anything against Clinton. Had she won, I still would have been satisfied. Still, if the democratic party is just unwilling to come together without Clinton at the top, I think Obama should put her there. She is qualified, and the party wants her this badly.

Posted by: Joe | September 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Shrillary is laughing her head off! Of course white women are now supporting McCain. Newsflash! Women, like all other voters, tend to vote for their own. Obama was a damn fool not to choose a woman for VP. He should have had the guts to choose either Caroline Kennedy, or Gov. Sibelius. Hillary would have been a disaster, but another woman was the obvious answer to blunting the Republicans at their own game. Obama should have known McCain was choosing a woman and he should have headed him off at the bend!

Posted by: Feudi | September 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Sara Palin has as much experience as Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson when they were VP Picks.

Posted by: TJ | September 10, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should tell this woman to STOP LYING ABOUT HER RECORD.

ALL these religious types SHOULD think if THEY REALLY WANT TO VOTE FOR A WOMAN THAT LIES.

Last time I checked the bible lying was a sin.

Posted by: No way, no how | September 10, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

IMHO - BO deserves EVERYTHING he gets now! His sheer arrogance and the fact that he turned a blind eye and deaf ear to the ENORMOUS potential that Hillary Clinton WOULD have brought to his ticket, that he does NOT deserve the women voter base. I am a Dem on paper but more so an Independent but will in NO way be voting for BO in the generals. Go P.U.M.A., Go McCain/Palin!

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | September 10, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

There is nothing feminist about voting for a ticket simply because there is a woman on it. That' s the total opposite of feminism. The policies of Obama and Hillary are absolute opposites of that of McCain and Palin. So as a woman, i'm ashamed to see that some women who supported Hillary could even think of supporting the McCain ticket. Makes me wonder if they are voting on the issues or on skin color.

Posted by: Katie | September 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

If white women are as easily swayed as they appear to be - jettisoning the party which has supported their reproductive and social rights for the past 30 years, all for a chromosomally familiar face - than perhaps it's time to whip our our own XX weapon. Hillary should slam into Palin for the myriad of backwards philosophies she has regarding the modern-day perception of women. Her clumsy positions on sexual education. Her cold opinions on abortion, even in cases of rape or incest.

Hillary should push the domestic/cultural angle against Palin - enough pressure, and white, American women will hopefully begin to see that Palin isn't, and never has been on their side.

Posted by: a. | September 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I agree, come November the Democrats will be sad. Obama failed his first big "decision" test, which was who to pick for a running mate. Clinton was the obvious best choice, but his ego let him believe he didn't need her to win. In a way, we're lucky, we can see how very much his ego clouds his judgement *before* we decide who to vote for.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Someone has hijacked my moniker and twisted it. There is no O Street, only O Avenue.

Posted by: 37th&OAvenue | September 10, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

It is not Hillary's job to get voters to vote for obama, that is his job. I think she should not be campaigning for him at all. She is not his VP, he felt he didn't need her, so let him get elected himself without sending Hillary out there to fight his battles for him.

Posted by: jay | September 10, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

If women have advanced as far as we hope, then Hillary should campaign hard against Palin's policies, which are antithetical to her own. If Hillary really cares about the Democratic Party winning, she will work hard to pull her voters back to the Democratic Party.

Of course, one has to ask if some of the polling is just sour grapes after the convention, and women will come back to the Dem party that they originally supported.

Hillary can help here, and she should.

Posted by: Kiku | September 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I think that Obama is right to call the McCain camp on its reluctance to address the problems of this country and concentrate instead on phony pig issues. The McShame people chose to make lipstick one of the planks of its platform, and now they should live with it.

Posted by: O&37th Street | September 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Gee now Baracky needs Hillary's help?

After he trashed her and her husband in the primaries with the race card? - despite their 30 year well-documented history of supporting and promtoing civil rights.

Talk about poetic justice!

Posted by: csh | September 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I am sorry to say that come November Democrats are likely to regret nominating Obama for President and further regret Obama's bone-headed decision to pass over Clinton as his VP choice. Women want a voice at the top eschelon of power and it is time they get it. Whether for strategic or philisophical reasons, somehow the Republicans got there first. Naysayers posit that "managing" a Clinton for VP would be rife with problems. How ridiculous! If Obama couldn't manage a Clinton, how can he manage China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, the Taliban . . . ? Although we haven't heard that line from Republicans yet, I am sure we will and I, for one, don't think it is out of line.

Posted by: WV-DC | September 10, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

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OBAMA LOOKS LIKE A LIGHT-WEIGHT NEXT TO JOE BIDEN. The democratic party superdelegates, in their rush to make a Presidential choice motivated more by affirmative action than qualifications, have completely destroyed the democratic party's chances this year.


superdelegates.


http://www.myspace.com/37thandostreet


The democratic party had two excellent candidates to choose from: Joe Biden and Chris Dodd - their contributions starved both for cash and the voters IGNORED ALL CONSIDERATION OF ACTUAL QUALIFICATIONS and picked Obama with Hillary second.


The democrats have only themselves to blame for fielding a weak candidate.


Actually Obama is a pathetic candidate - no experience in foreign policy - Obama has built a career on MAXING OUT EVERY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAM HE COULD FIND UNTIL HE TURNED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS INTO AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAM IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA.


The democratic party did it to themselves.


McCain is the stronger candidate - the people around him are brilliant - they put on an excellent convention which propelled McCain and Palin ahead in the polls by five points.


Obama's convention was horrible, it was a strain to watch the hillary-bill saga play out again.


How the Conventions are managed is important - McCain gets an A+++ and Obama gets a B- or C+.

Seriously Chris - McCain is the stronger candidate and he is extremely more qualified to be President - to vote for the other guy is to risk this nation's national security with some inexperienced affirmative-action guy who shouldn't even be in Washington.


Seriously Chris - this election is out of hand.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill should both be paired with Obama and Biden to address those audiences that Hillary was winning: working-class whites. They should be lumping Palin in with McCain, but at the same time not be afraid to lob back at her. If anything, Hillary is the most qualified to reply back; if Barack went after her, I think there'd be good fodder for a variation on "Harold, call me!" from 2006.

Posted by: Chris L. | September 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"(Ok, Hillary, as has been said before, should sit down with Ted Kennedy and learn how to be relevant in the Senate after not achieving his/her destiny to become President.)"

Yes, Hillary should become a drunken, bombastic blowhard who tore the Democratic party apart during a presidential election.

Posted by: hrc supporter | September 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Hillary and Mikulski and the other prominent women who supported Hillary need to give a public face to the outrage that female Hillary voters feel for McCain's assumption that "the little ladies" are too stupid to care about issues facing this country and will jump at the chance to vote for a militant pro-life, creationist, corrupt ego-maniac just because she has breasts like Hillary.

Posted by: DCL | September 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Hillary shouldn't do anything. Remember, she was told she wasn't needed or wanted as a VP candidate, her voters were told by Donna Brazille that they weren't needed and that all the bitter old hags should stay home in November.

What will Obama do if he wins and can't stand the heat? Will he be calling Hillary to come in and bail him out?

If Obama can't win this one on his own then he doesn't deserve to win.

Posted by: Mary B | September 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I dislike false rumors as much as anyone, but can a member of the press please confirm why Sara Plain is not at least 7 months pregnant in this public Governors photo taken with President Bush in February 2008? Her baby was supposedly born on April 18, 2008.

http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/2008Meeting.htm from Feb, 2008 (click text link "View Larger Photo")

This photo is from March 14th 2008, where she clearly is not 7 months pregnant:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Finally, she is also on the cover of December issue of Vogue which was taken December 12, 2007. She should have been 4-5 months preganant. Clearly shes not.

Reportedly, her water broke the day before or hours before she gave birth in Texas and flew 8 hour to Alaska in labor? Would a doctor/the airline allow this?

Why did she supposedly announce she was pregnant after 7 months?

There are claims she didn't look pregnant from public video interviews about the annoucement.

Why are there no photos/evidence supporting this?

Something isn't adding up?

Posted by: Dana | September 10, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

HIllary should go out and remind people, women and men, that this election is about getting a new direction in the country, in all areas - the economy, war, social cohesion etc and that the only way to do this is with the Democrats as the Republicans are morally and politically bankrupt.

Posted by: nclwtk | September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I can not wait until Obama wins this one. Hillary Clinton will do everything she can to ensure that the racists and haters do not have their way.

Posted by: O&37thStreet | September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The sexism of McCain, and the way he is using that woman, that silly unqualified woman, is appalling.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

John McCain is a sell-out and exposed he is just a typical Republican politician by picking Palin. He picked her to appease his base and poach Hillary votes. Palin wasn’t the best or most qualified, it’s because he knew she would be popular. How is that being a "maverick"? How is it ‘Country First”? How is this “I rather win a war than loose an election”? I’ll say it again, John McCain is a sell-out.

The most important metric for picking a VP is they are ready to step in from day one. His judgment is reckless and he gambled at our expense. The mere fact Palin is being educated on foreign policy indicates she wasn’t prepared on day one.

I lost all my respect for John McCain. He's not the hero today he was 35 years ago. McCain is nothing without Palin.

What does it say about a campaign that has to "mimic" what and who Obama is, not to mention hijack Obamas core message of Change from day one just to poach votes? Is that all they view Obama as, a "product" a "formula", a “personality”? It makes McCain look weak and more importantly, the American people stupid if they fall for it.

Now all these puppets are willing to just get behind her without even knowing anything about her and try to convince the American public she is prepared to be VP or President? Not even uncertain objectiveness, caution, pause or question just because she has an "R" in front of her name? How can anyone make a clear determination reasonably in less than 60 days?
Bravo America! We look like complete idiots once again while the world watches. I am truly embarrassed of my country. I guess all isn’t lost, at least many will have Palin’s eye glass frames while our country crumbles economically. We are such tools.

British Prime Minister Backs Obama
http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2008/09/brown-backs-oba.html

World wants Obama
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=world


Posted by: Mike | September 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should remain positive and let Palin and the other rabid Republicans dig their own grave. Palin comes across as a cartoon and her novelty will wear off once voters start to see she has no substance.

Posted by: RickJ | September 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet Translator | September 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Howard Wolfson, I think it would be a mistake for Sen. Clinton to attack Gov. Palin. She's not the top of the ticket. So, Sen. Clinton should address the issues and draw clear and unmistakeable contrasts that exist between two candidates. I'd say take the high road and let the folks in the Sen. Obama campaign (not Sen. Obama himself, by the way), respond when it is necessary.

Posted by: Gene_SF | September 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"It's not in Hillary Clinton's interest, and its certainly not in the interest of Barack Obama and the Democratic party," Wolfson wrote. He added that Clinton is better as a positive surrogate for Obama than a negative hit woman on Palin and noted: "Every day we are focused on Palin is a day we are not amplifying the Obama campaign's message that Senator McCain simply represents four more years of President Bush."

Hillary is the only one who gets it.

As to what she should be doing, who cares. If Obama needs to call Hillary to get him out of trouble, he should have picked her as his VP.

Posted by: Me | September 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

TO: Mssrs. CHERTOFF, MUKASEY, PAULSON, GATES, McCONNELL, MUELLER

"GOV'T AGENCIES SUPPORT DOMESTIC TERRORISM"
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/government-agencies-support-domestic-torture-and-gang-stalking-says-noted-nowpublic-com-columnist

What do you know about this, and what are you doing about it?

Posted by: scrivener | September 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Hillary? Forget Hillary.

What The Fix should do is implement registration & reclaim the site from the nutjobs.

(Ok, Hillary, as has been said before, should sit down with Ted Kennedy and learn how to be relevant in the Senate after not achieving his/her destiny to become President.)

Posted by: bsimon | September 10, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

hrcsupporter:
"What should Hillary do? Nothing, it's over remember? Get over it, isn't that what the Obama supporters keep telling us? It's Obama's campaign, let him deal with it"
^
Agree

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should clearly, succinctly and assertively explain why it is in the day-to-day economic best interest of ALL women to vote for Obama/Biden.

Posted by: freckleface412 | September 10, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if there is truth that this election has nothing to do with popularity polls and issues but rather the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent, wins in November?

Apparently this mutual opponent exposed corruption within both parties and is currently targeted by the candidates themselves. Wonder how will it happen?

1. Will GOP use Guiliani-like mob ties like his protege Bernard Kerik who was indicted for such ties and may sit in jail for up to 140 years to bump off mutual opponent?

2. Will Dems use OJ Simpson-like convicted felon to do it instead?

3. Will both mob-ties and OJ be given sweetheart exchange deals to bump off opponent in exchange for less jail time and take away all attention to the real culprits behind the scenes, the candidates?

4. Having exposed this truth, wonder if we too have to worry about the physical safety of our families whether in public or in private as we have been watched 24/7 and our habits and plans are known indefinitely? For example, will my husband have to worry when he goes for his daily 20-30 minute jog after work in Hackensack and or Bogota, NJ today? How about tomorrow, the 7th anniversary of 9/11 and murder can easily be covered up by unmonitored law enforcement community? Or how about the day after?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Why should Hillary commit a political suicide by attacking Palin,especially now,when Obama and Biden are drawing flak for their derogatory and dismissive remarks about her?Why should she be his attack dog after Obama and his cronies attacked her non stop during the primaries before stealing the nomination? He should be thankful that she is at least being a good democrat and is campaigning for him.

Posted by: Hillary2012 | September 10, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if there is truth that this election has nothing to do with popularity polls and issues but rather the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent, wins in November?

Apparently this mutual opponent exposed corruption within both parties and is currently targeted by the candidates themselves. Wonder how will it happen?

1. Will GOP use Guiliani-like mob ties like his protege Bernard Kerik who was indicted for such ties and may sit in jail for up to 140 years to bump off mutual opponent?

2. Will Dems use OJ Simpson-like convicted felon to do it instead?

3. Will both mob-ties and OJ be given sweetheart exchange deals to bump off opponent in exchange for less jail time and take away all attention to the real culprits behind the scenes, the candidates?

4. Having exposed this truth, wonder if we too have to worry about the physical safety of our families whether in public or in private as we have been watched 24/7 and our habits and plans are known indefinitely? For example, will my husband have to worry when he goes for his daily 20-30 minute jog after work in Hackensack and or Bogota, NJ today? How about tomorrow, the 7th anniversary of 9/11 and murder can easily be covered up by unmonitored law enforcement community? Or how about the day after?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

What should Hillary do? Nothing, it's over remember? Get over it, isn't that what the Obama supporters keep telling us? It's Obama's campaign, let him deal with it. This is what we get when this candidate is forced on us and not duly elected. As always, it's going to be a Clinton's fault no matter what goes wrong.

Posted by: hrc supporter | September 10, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Boy, if putting Hillary Clinton on the Democratic ticket wouldn't have cost the Democrats the election before -- and you can make cases either way on that one -- it definitely would if Barack Obama abandoned Joe Biden and picked Hillary now. I can't imagine what twisted logic goes into the assumption that such a move would actually benefit the Democrats. It would just energize the voraciously anti-Clinton Republican base; suggest that Obama is easily bullied, which doesn't help his image; and give the impression that Obama will be controlled by the Clintons, eroding his message of change from the Washington status quo.

I agree with MarkInAustin that campaigning against the opponent's VP candidate is not a solid strategy, and I should think that once Sarah Palin's novelty starts to wear off, the Democrats will focus far more upon John McCain than upon her (unless they try to come out with a message of, "Hey, she's much better than the goofball she's running with!" message, but that would be ill-advised as the Republicans could level a similar charge against Obama and Biden). That said, Hillary is in the best position of anyone to dispel the Republicans' accusations of sexism by giving a variety of non-gender-related reasons why Palin is the wrong choice, and by pointing out the myriad differences between her own positions and Palin's.

We saw the effect the Clintons had on Obama's popularity at the Democratic Convention; now that McCain's selection of Palin has blunted that somewhat, Hillary has a chance to turn it around again. If she's serious about wanting Barack to get elected -- and she should be, because if he doesn't, she's going to be blamed for it, right or wrong -- that's what she has to do. And she has to do it now, while Palin's star is still shining; if she waits too long, taking shots at Palin will only remind voters that she exists, and that's not what the Democrats want right now.

Posted by: VBArthur | September 10, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

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Obama and his wife are RACIST AGAINST WHITES - THEY BELONGED TO A RACIST CHURCH FOR YEARS - THEY BROUGHT THEIR CHILDREN TO A RACIST CHURCH - THEY GAVE MONEY TO A RACIST CHURCH - ONE YEAR THEY GAVE OVER $20,000 TO A RACIST CHURCH.


WELL


Those are the FACTS.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

No matter how Clinton is courted to support Obama, I believe that she is calculating for Obama's potential loss in November, setting the stage for her own nomination in 2012. If that were to happen, she would likely be facing Palin as McCain wouldn't seek reelection. Clinton can't afford to be offensive to Palin's identity as a woman or it would undercut her own future.

Posted by: Chris | September 10, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Howard Wolfson. I personally feel it is beyond Hillary at this point to exchange tit for tat (read a book, it's an expression). But if we let Hillary do what Hillary does best she'll get her message across about what's important to women and in her own way she'll do plenty to reveal the truth.

Posted by: Peakmom | September 10, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

WHY DON'T YOU CALL MCCAIN AND PALIN ON THEIR NONSTOP LIES, CC?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

THE WHITE RACISTS HERE TURN MY STOMACH.

WHAT A SICK COUNTRY THIS HAS BECOME.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should attack Sarah Palin every chance she gets. Hillary should be like a Democratic Ninja Prouncing on Sarah every opportuity she gets. Hillary should bring up Sarah Palins Affair, and Her Scandals http://www.hotpres.com

Dont back down Hill. Do it for your party.

Posted by: pastor123 | September 10, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should attack Sarah Palin every chance she gets. Hillary should be like a Democratic Ninja Prouncing on Sarah every opportuity she gets. Hillary should bring up Sarah Palins Affair, and Her Scandals Dont back down Hill. Do it for your party.

Posted by: pastor123 | September 10, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Obama is SEXIST and RACIST AGAINST WHITES - quite a combination.


Plus he and his wife carry a grudge and have chips on their shoulders about the Jim Crow era.


They have not gotten over it - they have received Ivy League educations and given great jobs however they are still angry.


To be honest both their attitudes are a disgrace.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more with the person who wrote that Obama should ditch Bidden and put Hillary on the ticket.

Posted by: Martyg | September 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

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OBAMA LOOKS LIKE A LIGHT-WEIGHT NEXT TO JOE BIDEN. The democratic party superdelegates, in their rush to make a Presidential choice motivated more by affirmative action than qualifications, have completely destroyed the democratic party's chances this year.


superdelegates.


http://www.myspace.com/37thandostreet


The democratic party had two excellent candidates to choose from: Joe Biden and Chris Dodd - their contributions starved both for cash and the voters IGNORED ALL CONSIDERATION OF ACTUAL QUALIFICATIONS and picked Obama with Hillary second.


The democrats have only themselves to blame for fielding a weak candidate.


Actually Obama is a pathetic candidate - no experience in foreign policy - Obama has built a career on MAXING OUT EVERY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAM HE COULD FIND UNTIL HE TURNED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS INTO AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAM IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA.


The democratic party did it to themselves.


McCain is the stronger candidate - the people around him are brilliant - they put on an excellent convention which propelled McCain and Palin ahead in the polls by five points.


Obama's convention was horrible, it was a strain to watch the hillary-bill saga play out again.


How the Conventions are managed is important - McCain gets an A+++ and Obama gets a B- or C+.

Seriously Chris - McCain is the stronger candidate and he is extremely more qualified to be President - to vote for the other guy is to risk this nation's national security with some inexperienced affirmative-action guy who shouldn't even be in Washington.


Seriously Chris - this election is out of hand.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 10, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Huge mistake not selecting Hillary as veep. I still do not understand why Obama passed on the inevitable victory that would have come with including Hillary on the ticket over questions about Bill's potential role. Seems kind of ridiculous now. Obama's campaign has wildly underestimated the hunger out there to see a woman in the White House. Now we have to deal with "The Palin Problem."
Hillary should stick to the party line and go after the Republican ticket but should not be singled out as Palin's attack dog. It's beneath her. Plus, during the primaries, the Democratic establishment widely mocked "Hillary the fighter." Now they want her back.

Posted by: meredith | September 10, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

HILLARY SHOULD MAKE BARACK AN OFFER HE CAN'T REFUSE --

"DITCH JOE AND PUT ME ON THE TICKET!"


Hillary should meet privately with Obama and tell him straight:

You made a huge mistake by not selecting me as your running mate. With less than two months until election day, and with early voting set to begin in half that time, you can't rely on Palin to self-immolate.

It's not too late to save yourself, Barack. Here's what I'm proposing:

Joe Biden hasn't caught fire on the campaign trail. He's beginning to come under the scrutiny that you knew he'd attract. He's a good attack dog, but he can't match the feminist appeal of Palin, despite her obviously anti-feminist social views.

The only one who can salvage your candidacy is -- me, Barack. Come up with some pretense that allows Biden to withdraw from the ticket. You can say it's his health, or simply that he knows both of you will be damaged goods if you go down to defeat.

Promise Biden a seat on the Supreme Court. That's much better than the alternative -- losing the election and returning to the Senate as a three-time loser at presidential politics.

On day one as your running mate, I'll tell the women of America that now the have the real McCoy as their candidate -- not a feminist pretender who subscribes to hard-right views that stray far from the mainstream.

We'll go on to win the White House, and I'll forgive you for not taking me on the ticket in the first place. I promise, that's the last time you'll hear me throw that one up in your face.

So what do you say, Barack? Do you want to win this thing, or not?

Oh by the way -- Bill and I already have discussed this with Joe; it's all taken care of. All I need to know now is whether you've got the political stones to throw a "Hail Mary" of your own...

No, make that a "Hail HILLARY! Say it, Barack, just say it:

"HAIL HILLARY!"

Posted by: scrivener | September 10, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should stay out of it. Obama could and should have picked Hillary to run with him. That shows a severe lack of judgement on his part. Hillary should let the chips fall where thet may, not critisize any woman, and wait for 2012,

Posted by: Roncapecod | September 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to do what all the Democratic figures need to be doing: force Republicans to deal in issues, by making evasiveness into a character issue. Basically, to evade issues in a debate is an expression of cowardice; this is poison to the image of a "bold reformer." They have to give the tactics of evasion and distraction a name; I suggest "Cut and Run."

Both McCain and Palin are vulnerable to this tactic. McCain wants to talk about being a hero, yet he's afraid to get down to the specifics of the issues of our day; some "hero." If McCain insists on attacking the character of Democrats, Democrats should show how McCain's behavior proves he's no longer an example of courage.

Make their avoidance of the facts even more politically dangerous than the facts themselves. Show the world that these two people don't have the character to face the hard problems or make tough decisions without going into a panic.

In this process, educate the audience on political fundamentals. Point out that the recalcitrant Republican minority has the capability to prevent Congress from getting things done, and that they have chosen to exercise this capability. Explain that the Republican minority in the Senate has willfully chosen to pursue conflict rather than compromise, ideology over practicality. Make the Republicans face their own records.

Remind the public that the hallmark tactics of the Bush administration's war in Iraq include violations of human rights not only through torture, but also by sponsoring assassination campaigns, and that moral objectives cannot justify immoral methods.

When they try to run from the facts, skewer them again and again with their cowardice and general moral bankruptcy. Make them face the facts, or cut them down like the curs they are if they turn tail.

Democrats aren't afraid of character attacks, Republicans use them every day. Democrats find such tactics distracting, distasteful, and ethically questionable, but if the Republicans insist on campaigning on issues of personal character, Democrats should expose the character flaws expressed by the way Republicans practice politics.

Posted by: Ken in Dallas | September 10, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

MCain is not calling Obama sexist, we are! The American people are calling him sexist for saying she's not qualified. The liberals act like McCain and Palin are going to eat my grandmother in a stew of my children bone marrow ;-) They hate monger and then say McCain is. McCain is running a strict principles that he's held forever. Obama wants to increase government by 26%, and these are independent numbers.

Posted by: Drizzit | September 10, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

She should back McCain like she did in the Democratic primary. McCain would work with Hillary when he becomes president, and Obama won't. If you want change you should vote McCain. He'll cut pork like no other president in our history because he's for the country, and not a PAC. Obama has always followed the lead of a PAC or Nancy Peloci.

Posted by: Drizzit | September 10, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

The hypocritical McCain stance is to call anything negative against Palin as sexist. They are completing the ultimate in distraction politics.

Hillary Clinton is wholly qualified to call this out for what it is without being called sexist.

The message she needs to deliver, over and over again is that "McCain's selection of Palin demonstrates his reckless judgment and that he is not qualified to lead this country. The reason being is that Palin is simply not qualified, and the selection of VP is a litmus test that John McCain failed."

Posted by: JeremyHeiken | September 10, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

what HRC should do is keep the democratic party alive by not playing into it's sexism, especially Obama's rampant nasty sexism

Hillary should campaign hard for the senators up for election

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

It has never been a winning strategy to campaign against a VP candidate, at least not in my lifetime.

Wolfson has read this correctly, I think.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 10, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

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