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We Read The Hillary Chat So You Don't Have To

By Ed O'Keefe

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted a Web chat today with supporters on her still-functional campaign Web site.

Some excerpted highlights:

On her name being placed into nomination at the convention: "Senator Obama and I share the goal of ensuring that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected. I want to assure everyone we are working together with Senator Obama's campaign and the DNC, and I am confident we will have a successful and unified Convention in Denver."

On her support for Barack Obama: "I am completely committed to helping Senator Obama become the next President of the United States and urging all of you to do the same," she writes, adding later, "I am going to continue to do whatever I can to help Senator Obama and Democrats across the country win in the November."

About Obama's VP pick: "I have said repeatedly that I will do whatever Senator Obama asks me to do. I am really focused and enjoying being back in the Senate and working on behalf of my New York constituents. This is Senator Obama's decision and his alone and I am going to respect the privacy of that process by not discussing it."

About her plans for the next four years: Clinton says she plans to be "the best Senator I can be, and to go on fighting every day for the issues I care about." She adds that, "I look forward to working with President Obama."

Nothing terribly earth-shattering... agreed?

The conversation follows release of a YouTube clip during which the senator answers questions about what her pledged delegates should do at this month's Democratic National Convention. A joint statement from the Obama campaign and Clinton's press shop states that the two senators are working to "ensure that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected and our party will be fully unified heading into the November election."

Tomorrow Clinton campaigns for Obama in Nevada. Stay tuned.

By Ed O'Keefe  |  August 7, 2008; 3:04 PM ET
 
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Give it up for Hillary.
She is more gracious (& more loyal) than her husband.

Posted by: Soldier's Mom | August 10, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

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The major issue of the week has been the McCain people stating clearly that Obama has been playing the RACE CARD during this year's Campaigns - from the South Carolina primary onward to this summer when Obama keeps on attempting to charge that the Republicans are "going to make people afraid of him."


NOT that the Republicans have said or done anything racist yet, HOWEVER OBAMA KEEPS ON SAYING THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE RACISTS SOON.


Obama's campaign theme now is: YOU ARE A RACIST UNTIL YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA.


In response we post these Video Clips from all the major news FOX MSNBC CNN netwoks:


CLIPS OF OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD THIS YEAR IN SOUTH CAROLINA: http://tinyurl.com/6gcstl


This is absolutely incredibly AMAZING.


This short Video clip includes THE LATE TIM RUSSERT OF NBC NEWS directly calling out Obama on Obama's Playing of the RACE CARD DURING OBAMA'S CAMPAIGNING IN SOUTH CAROLINA THIS YEAR in the Primary Campaign - in a Divisive and Extremely Shameful and Negative Manner.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | August 10, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

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The major issue of the week has been the McCain people stating clearly that Obama has been playing the RACE CARD during this year's Campaigns - from the South Carolina primary onward to this summer when Obama keeps on attempting to charge that the Republicans are "going to make people afraid of him."


NOT that the Republicans have said or done anything racist yet, HOWEVER OBAMA KEEPS ON SAYING THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE RACISTS SOON.


Obama's campaign theme now is: YOU ARE A RACIST UNTIL YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA.


In response we post these Video Clips from all the major news FOX MSNBC CNN netwoks:


CLIPS OF OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD THIS YEAR IN SOUTH CAROLINA: http://tinyurl.com/6gcstl


This is absolutely incredibly AMAZING.


This short Video clip includes THE LATE TIM RUSSERT OF NBC NEWS directly calling out Obama on Obama's Playing of the RACE CARD DURING OBAMA'S CAMPAIGNING IN SOUTH CAROLINA THIS YEAR in the Primary Campaign - in a Divisive and Extremely Shameful and Negative Manner.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | August 10, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, may I join in your post. The Washington Post awhile ago had a piece about the extreme ugliness directed toward the Obama campaign, junk clearly encouraged (or at least not discouraged) by the HRC folks.

As for future HRC presidential runs, minority media report she has no AA support whatsover (the result of her playing the r-card and the RFK a-card against BO), something the mainstream media will not discuss. In fact, in Tennessee, an AA candidate running for a Congressional seat in a minority district, who was aggressively backed by HRC surrogate Stephanie Tubbs Jones, was destroyed by the incumbent, BO-backed Steve Cohen. Cohen won 80 percent of the vote...unheard of. Progressives also will not be won back by HRC. Again we hope Atlantic gives us more than the Broder world pablum and gets into the insider nitty-gritty, as ugly as I'm sure it is.

In the primary, nobody stole anything from anyone. BO ran the better campaign (HRC's folks didn't realize until it was too late that Democratic delegates were proportionally allocated rather than winner-take-all and had no strategy to campaign beyond Super Tuesday (because they viewed the race as a non-competitive coronation).) The deadenders' ongoing stubborn refusal to stand down and support the winner (BO), as all unsuccessful candidates have in recent memory, is bad faith in the extreme...Sad and ugly stuff

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 10, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I feel terrible for Clintons and her supporters hurt feelings. Yea right, screw them. Obama has had a special secret service detail since he began to run. He has had death threats. His campaign offices have had numerous bomb threats. White workers have quit because of being threatened, they were afraid and were being called NI&&ER LOVERS; as they tried to work, His phone workers get "I will never vote for a ni&&er" and hang up. People with cars that have Obama stickers on them have been vandalized and many obama people (Including me) won't even put a sticker on their cars. No race has never been a part of this election. And you know the best part? Almost none of this has been made public at the request of Obama. The only people you hear whining are the Clintons.

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BO effectively stole the primary from HC despite the fact that HC could legitimately claim greater popular support. The manner in which she and her supporters were treated was abominable. They were essentially dissed by the BO campaign. HC has been a good and close working friend of John McCain and each of them has produced far more tangible and meaningful results in Gov. office than BO in a lifetime. Given John McCain's age it is highly likely that he will be a one term President. If he wins in Nov. HC and her supporters can honestly claim the right to say 'We told you so' to the rest of the Democratic party. That would leave a clear path to her running and winning in 2012. If Obama wins in Nov that scenario is effectively crushed. Given the already uniqueness of this election cycle it would prove to be the most wily and clever strategy pulled off by the electorate themselves if Hillary Clinton supporters as well as those lately disenchanted BO supporters banded together in support of John McCain. What better way to say Hillary 2012!!

Posted by: MMcCurry | August 10, 2008 6:14 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

BO effectively stole the primary from HC despite the fact that HC could legitimately claim greater popular support. The manner in which she and her supporters were treated was abominable. They were essentially dissed by the BO campaign. HC has been a good and close working friend of John McCain and each of them has produced far more tangible and meaningful results in Gov. office than BO in a lifetime. Given John McCain's age it is highly likely that he will be a one term President. If he wins in Nov. HC and her supporters can honestly claim the right to say 'We told you so' to the rest of the Democratic party. That would leave a clear path to her running and winning in 2012. If Obama wins in Nov that scenario is effectively crushed. Given the already uniqueness of this election cycle it would prove to be the most wily and clever strategy pulled off by the electorate themselves if Hillary Clinton supporters as well as those lately disenchanted BO supporters banded together in support of John McCain. What better way to say Hillary 2012!!

Posted by: MMcCurry | August 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Most people would not want to here what others really say behind their backs. I once insulted a guy who had an ego that chocked the oxygen out of any room he entered. I owned a lounge where all kinds of people came in. One of my regulars was a somewhat celebrity, you would recognize his name. He comes in one night after the track and he had won like 7 or 8 thousand. He is holding court when I come in and I hear about this. Towards the end of the night he is leaving and I have to get his attention before he leaves. He owed me like 12 thousand at the time and I figured I would get something on the debt finally. Long story short I get an argument, Not only that but he says things like I should be happy he comes in because he brings in customers. That is when I tore into him. With all that was said I said one thing that cut him to the ground. I said, "You think people come in here because you come in, are you kidding". "If you had any idea what people around here really think of you and what they say behind your back you wound never show your face here again". " People think you are a fool, they buy you drinks because they know you have no money". I said more but he never opened his mouth. He gave me 2 thousand. When he left it looked like that walk to the door was the longest walk he ever took in his life. About a week later I got a check from a lawyer for the full amount and we never spoke again. Back to the original subject, some really bad stuff could come out. I hope it has nothing to do with race of use of the "N" word by either of the Clintons.
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Anonymous, thanks for the heads up on the Atlantic article. Even from the outside, we got the sense HRC's campaign was all about entitlement, "deranged narcissism" (Jeffery Toobin's characterization), envy, and prejudice, but mainstream media refused to fully report on the full range of HRC antics. HRC Inc. said repeatedly in public that BO couldn't win because of his color and that they hoped something bad would happen to him, so you can imagine what they were spewing privately. You know, maybe it's good not to know; I'd like to think more of the human spirit...

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 10, 2008 4:37 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Most people would not want to here what others really say behind their backs. I once insulted a guy who had an ego that chocked the oxygen out of any room he entered. I owned a lounge where all kinds of people came in. One of my regulars was a somewhat celebrity, you would recognize his name. He comes in one night after the track and he had won like 7 or 8 thousand. He is holding court when I come in and I hear about this. Towards the end of the night he is leaving and I have to get his attention before he leaves. He owed me like 12 thousand at the time and I figured I would get something on the debt finally. Long story short I get an argument, Not only that but he says things like I should be happy he comes in because he brings in customers. That is when I tore into him. With all that was said I said one thing that cut him to the ground. I said, "You think people come in here because you come in, are you kidding". "If you had any idea what people around here really think of you and what they say behind your back you wound never show your face here again". " People think you are a fool, they buy you drinks because they know you have no money". I said more but he never opened his mouth. He gave me 2 thousand. When he left it looked like that walk to the door was the longest walk he ever took in his life. About a week later I got a check from a lawyer for the full amount and we never spoke again. Back to the original subject, some really bad stuff could come out. I hope it has nothing to do with race of use of the "N" word by either of the Clintons.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, thanks for the heads up on the Atlantic article. Even from the outside, we got the sense HRC's campaign was all about entitlement, "deranged narcissism" (Jeffery Toobin's characterization), envy, and prejudice, but mainstream media refused to fully report on the full range of HRC antics. HRC Inc. said repeatedly in public that BO couldn't win because of his color and that they hoped something bad would happen to him, so you can imagine what they were spewing privately. You know, maybe it's good not to know; I'd like to think more of the human spirit...

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I would say one of the primary reasons Hillary can under no circumstances be the VP is because they don't know what is coming out before the election about Hillary's campaign. We already know some have book deals and the soap opera that may have been going on and quotes that could come out could be devastating to Clinton. This tuesday we will get a glimpse in an article coming out in The Atlantic. Some of this will be pretty embarrassing I suspect. Some could even be hateful comments regarding Obama and his family most likely from Bill Clinton. Either way it is just the beginning of those looking to cash in on Hillary while anyone still cares.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, great post! You expose the fallacy of the 18 million HRC voters (reflective, let's be honest, mainly of HRC name recognition and Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos"). It's true that if these voters exist, and each gives 1 dollar towards her debt (incurred after she lost any mathematical chance to win against BO), her debt would disappear. Now for the revised BO long list.
The latest BO long list is still about the same; some changes -- HRC does appear on the list (she didn't on the prior list).

1. Claire McCaskill
2. Tim Kaine
3. Patti Solis Doyle
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281,421,899. Rielle Hunter
281,421,900. S. Epatha Merkerson
281,421,901. Greta VanSusteren
281,421,902. Carolyn Kilpatrick
281,421,903. Uncle Ben (rice entrepreneur)
281,421,904. Lisa Druck
281,421,905. Stephanie Tubbs Jones
281,421,906. Mrs. H.R. Clinton
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Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 2:16 PM

"All 18,000,000 of you HillBilly lovers should send Hillary $1.00...that would take care of the bulk of her self-imposed debt. Why are you people looking toward Senator Obama to retire the debt that she incurred by staying tooo long at the party! She and her supporters are pathetic, not to mention that sore, bitter, poor loser Bill! How jealous and envious can these people be of a man who ran an exemplary campaign and one who the WORLD loves. Hillary will make a complete fool of herself and her supporters if she and they have the gall to place her name in for nomination. She will truly go down in history as the ultimate spoiler and she and Bill will never have any further credibility in any party. I wouldn't be surprised if McCan't doesn't name her for his VP. I'm sure she would jump at the chance to switch sides and wait for McCan't to self destruct!

Obama '08"

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If you are going to try to paste together a bunch of tired talking points you have to do it so it make some sense. Are you drunk or something?

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Jaded,It was Obama himself that said he did NOT have the experience to run. And experience aside, we have Wright. And Obama followed this racist and black supremist for 20 YEARS! Obama would NEVER have gotten away with this had he been a white male following a white supremist such as David Duke. But it is the same thing! EXACTLY the same thing! and NO TRUE Democrat that believes in equality should vote for Obama. The Democrat Party should be ashamed of Obama and his ACTIONS for the past 20 years. And he is the reason many Democrats are NOW Independent. Racism is racism! How would Black America feel had White America placed a candidate like this as the Democrat (or Republican)nominee? It is totally wrong.

Posted by: DEM now IND | August 10, 2008 11:27 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Jaded,It was Obama himself that said he did NOT have the experience to run. And experience aside, we have Wright. And Obama followed this racist and black supremist for 20 YEARS! Obama would NEVER have gotten away with this had he been a white male following a white supremist such as David Duke. But it is the same thing! EXACTLY the same thing! and NO TRUE Democrat that believes in equality should vote for Obama. The Democrat Party should be ashamed of Obama and his ACTIONS for the past 20 years. And he is the reason many Democrats are NOW Independent. Racism is racism! How would Black America feel had White America placed a candidate like this as the Democrat (or Republican)nominee? It is totally wrong.

Posted by: DEM now IND | August 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Democrats may be a little more vocal and will voice an opinion even if it seems to go against a party line.

Republicans just fall in line regardless how badly they are being used. The republican party has changed over the years. It is now just a party of mindless zombies. It is hard to believe even they themselves believe half of what they say, it is all partisan to them. The good of the country does not even enter into it.

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I'm referring to Democrat VOTERS bashing each other, not the candidates.

Posted by: Julie in Georgia | August 10, 2008 9:40 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The tone is set by the candidates, the voters just get into the fray. In this case the Clintons actually made an issue of the "Kitchen sink thing" They made an ad campaign of "If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen". Hillary made the comment regarding the Muslim issue, "Not as far as I know". Hillary even made an allusion to standing in the wings in case someone assassinates Obama. Now when it is over who is the complaining and calling fouls, THE CLINTONS, the ones who started it all. The Clintons are two of the most despicable people in Politics. This has nothing to do with being a democrat, it has to do with the candidates. We expect to hear hate and venom from the bigots who the Clintons cultivated to do their public dirty work and they are still at it. I am sorry but the Obama people will not sit quietly by. It is not a Democratic thing it is this election. I have quit my church because of it and severed several long time friendships due to it. It was sad to find I was unknowingly in the company of bigots. People who would vote for someone whose only important quality is that they are white.

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I'm referring to Democrat VOTERS bashing each other, not the candidates.

Posted by: Julie in Georgia | August 10, 2008 9:40 AM

Posted by: ccccccccccc | August 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm referring to Democrat VOTERS bashing each other, not the candidates.

Posted by: Julie in Georgia | August 10, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

You must have missed the Mccain Bush primaries. In fact in the recent primary remember this, McCain said of Romney in New Hampshire, "Never get into a wrestling match with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it." Mccain is just a piece of sh&t even to his own party members. It is no wonder he is one of the most hatted in the party. No one will even campaign for him.

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This is why Democrats always lose in the end. You never see or hear Republicans bashing each other like this. Even the headline of this blog stinks. You people are disgusting. Signed, Democrat turning Independent.

Posted by: Julie in Georgia | August 9, 2008 10:56 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

This is why Democrats always lose in the end. You never see or hear Republicans bashing each other like this. Even the headline of this blog stinks. You people are disgusting. Signed, Democrat turning Independent.

Posted by: Julie in Georgia | August 9, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

All you Obama haters just be honest.

This is what you really think.

How dare Obama get this far! He was supposed to be a joke, a Joke! He stole Hilary's turn. How dare Obama think he has the right to run, that was arrogant of him thinking he could ever win against our queen. Now that he has, we will destroy him, his wife and his kids.

We will destroy the Democratic party that didn't cut Obama off at the knees and discourage him from running! In Denver we will be armed with whatever it takes to ensure that Hillary is the Democratic nominee.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Posted by: jaded | August 9, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

The people on this blog who are harassing JakeD are PAID Obama staffers who do shifts to blog - they are dragging down the discourse in this country - they are also hostile to First Amendment Rights.

OK

These people are hostile to our most basic Constitutional Freedoms - Freedom of Speech - instead of encouraging an airing of a wide range of views the Obama Campaign seeks to harass those who Speak.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | August 9, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The whole Hillary thing is stupid. They tried to get an email campaign thing going to get Hillary's name put in nomination. Yea 18,000,000 votes and the best they could do was come up with 400 willing to participate. It is over blown by the media. She doesn't have the support she tries to pretend. Obama has been gaining in women every week and the "Hillary Effect" is now negligible.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 9, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

It's sad to see people who supported and voted for Bill Clinton twice for president, be accused by Hillary supporters of being less than honerable by voting now for Barack Obama. He is simply the best choice the party has to offer.

Everytime I hear a Hillary supporter try discredit the Obama campaign, the Obama supprters, and the Democratic Party, it makes me realize how sick people really are in America.

Is there ever a point where Obama can rely on your support? Would you actually support a fellow Democrate if you had your chance too?

Stop crying about spilled milk and move on. Hillary is just fine and I am sire she is realizing that people who claim to be Hillary supporters still need to think about the Democratic Party as a whole and not just one politician or nothing.

Did Obama lie to you about weapons of mass destuction. Did Obama cheat his National Guard duty? Did Obama Cheat on his wife?
Did Obama graduate at the bottom of his class?

So what's the grip Hillary supprters have?
I know it cannot be against Obama.

Why tear down good people for being good?

Posted by: VB | August 9, 2008 5:16 AM | Report abuse

Republican pretending to be a Democrat. You need a different syntax, although all the misspellings was a good touch.

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to "Realitycheck"

Obama got over by getting the uncomitted votes in Michigan, that he did not win. The Democratic Party Elites like Howard Dean and Speaker Pelosi wanted this primary over, quickly, to benefit your man Obama. Keep disrespecting Hillary voters/supportors, on November 4 2008, Obama will fall short. Why? Because of the disrespect he , his campaign and his supportors treated us. If you think you can win without us, have at it. By the way didn't Obama say that he would win red states because he was winning them in the primary ? Guess what? He is poll numbers in those red states is low. Keep your dissing, I hope you can do it, but I am afraid the only sure votes Obama can count on November 4th are African American and white liberals. Guess where moderate Democrats like me will be doing? Either sitting this out or voting for John McCain.
BLUE VOTER, VOTING RED.

Posted by: Victor Flores | August 8, 2008 10:34 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Republican pretending to be a Democrat. You need a different syntax, although all the misspellings was a good touch.

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to "Realitycheck"

Obama got over by getting the uncomitted votes in Michigan, that he did not win. The Democratic Party Elites like Howard Dean and Speaker Pelosi wanted this primary over, quickly, to benefit your man Obama. Keep disrespecting Hillary voters/supportors, on November 4 2008, Obama will fall short. Why? Because of the disrespect he , his campaign and his supportors treated us. If you think you can win without us, have at it. By the way didn't Obama say that he would win red states because he was winning them in the primary ? Guess what? He is poll numbers in those red states is low. Keep your dissing, I hope you can do it, but I am afraid the only sure votes Obama can count on November 4th are African American and white liberals. Guess where moderate Democrats like me will be doing? Either sitting this out or voting for John McCain.
BLUE VOTER, VOTING RED.

Posted by: Victor Flores | August 8, 2008 10:34 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

to "Realitycheck"

Obama got over by getting the uncomitted votes in Michigan, that he did not win. The Democratic Party Elites like Howard Dean and Speaker Pelosi wanted this primary over, quickly, to benefit your man Obama. Keep disrespecting Hillary voters/supportors, on November 4 2008, Obama will fall short. Why? Because of the disrespect he , his campaign and his supportors treated us. If you think you can win without us, have at it. By the way didn't Obama say that he would win red states because he was winning them in the primary ? Guess what? He is poll numbers in those red states is low. Keep your dissing, I hope you can do it, but I am afraid the only sure votes Obama can count on November 4th are African American and white liberals. Guess where moderate Democrats like me will be doing? Either sitting this out or voting for John McCain.
BLUE VOTER, VOTING RED.

Posted by: Victor Flores | August 8, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: afed27 | August 8, 2008 7:12 PM
Posted by: Constance | August 7, 2008 4:21 PM
Posted by: HillaryBane | August 7, 2008 4:30 PM
Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 7:13 PM YOU NEED FACTS==GO TO POLICY SITE TO READ, IF YOU CAN, OR COMPREHEND THE DATA THERE.
THE REST OD YOU HFC HATERS NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELVES. SHE LOST. FINAL RESULTS ARE BELOW:

Montana
Obama 56%
Clinton 41%

South Dakota
Clinton 55%
Obama 45%

That leaves the delegate count at (2,118 needed):
Obama: 2,158.5
Clinton: 1,920
POPULAR VOTE:
2008 Democratic Popular Vote

Obama Clinton
17,535,458 48.1% 17,493,836 48.0% 17,493,83648
Spread Obama +41,622 +0.1%

Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Dear Uncle Ben, I wouldn't wait up late for that apology to either you or scrivener. Stay on that slow boil, Uncle B, maybe then your rice will be soft enough to get a gas-powered tiller through it. And since we're talking, say hello to that other entrepreneur, the lady on the syrup bottle, Auntie J. And also shout out to that BET guy whom we thank for a network that, 24/7, airs cable programming depicting AAs as criminals, thugs, buffoons, minstrels, and skanks, without a millisecond devoted to news, weather, or public affairs. Thanks, BJohnson. And say hey to Jimmy Walker and Wheezie next time you see 'em. It is really sad that HRC and the Harpies have already decided to blow their entire wad: idiotic claims of sexism in the convention platform, putting HRC in nomination so more airtime is devoted to their hooping and hollering, and endless hate blasts from Ferraro and Harriet Christian type. But BO has the patience of Job and this, too, will pass and we can start talking about issues like fossil fuel scarcity, home prices, etc., and turn our back once and for all on the foolish performance art of the Hillarians ("dog" thought that one up, not me) as they drift into extinction. Cap


Posted by: Uncle Ben | August 7, 2008 9:16 PM

I take umbrage, Sir, at your insults.

I am not "the guy on the rice box."

I, sir, am a man. That's M-A-N. And I am a businessperson and entrepreneur. Have you not seen our most recent series of TV commercials?

As for the scribe known as Scrivener; I do not know the gentleman. But I have read his reasoned argument in favor of the candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton; and I must say, I cannot find fault with his analysis.

I can assure you that I am not the only "AA," as you so delicately put it, who would vote for Hillary Clinton. My good friend, Robert Johnson of Black Entertainment Television, is but one of many millions of "AAs" who believe that Sen. Clinton's experience, and her willingness to fight, makes her the preferred choice. Barack Obama is a fine man, wise beyond his years, and a magnetic personality. He would make a great vice president in a Hillary Clinton administration.

So again, Sir, this "AA" awaits your apology; I am on a slow boil.

Sincerely yours,

Uncle Ben


p.s. I just clicked on Scrivener's links; my computer did not crash. You owe Mr. Scrivener an apology as well.

Posted by: Captain America | August 8, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Also, the latest polls from the presidential election [still a worthy topic] have Obama leading in Michigan and McCain leading in Missouri - no surprises but important states nonetheless. Full roundup here: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/08/08/friday-polls-mccain-ahead-in-missouri-obama-leads-in-michigan

Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

SOME REPLIES.........
TO JANE..I will not cry for the Clintons. I will cry for our country if Obama is elected [ or McCain ].
TO PETER..Obama is smart? His speeches were plagiarized. To me, that is stupid for a candidate to do. He says there are 57 states in the U.S. He says his parents were married in 1965, 4 yrs after he was born, etc.Most of his speeches have to be "clarified" by his campaign because he makes so many misstatements.
TO DINO..If I don't vote for B.O., I am no Dem.? I have been a Dem for over 60 years & voted every election for the Dems. This year, I will not vote for President, only
Senators, etc. I am not racist. I am anti-Obama, the liar, the non-achiever, the panderer, the flip-flopper. As for the polls, it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.
TO CAPT'N OBV...What papers do you read? Do you read? Clinton fought to have Michigan/Florida seated. She had been the winner, remember? It was Obama who denied them that right. He refused to allow it unless he received 50% of their delegates. The DNC allowed it & then they were seated, with Obama getting a lot more delgates than he deserved. I say he stole the election!
TO SUSAN..Hillary is self obsessed? Did she create her own Presidential seal? Does she claim Chairmanship of Senate committees that she isn't even a member of?
TO JEFO.. Honorable Obama? With his false history & his false Chairmanship claims & his never admitting a mistake or never issuing a needed apology?
TO HOLDEN..King Obama? Don't you think he is a bit more like Napoleon?
TO FLA. JEWISH DEM..You shouldn't brag about being for Obama after the way he fought to keep your state from being seated at the convention. From one Jew to another, as a Jew, you should be concerned about his loyalty to Israel. He has already pulled back his support of a united Jerusalem, saying that in his speech to AIPAC he used "poor phrasing"
,but keeps his promise to the Palestinians that there may be Palestinian sovereignty over a portion of Jerusalem in the future. This statement was made on a TV show, Fareed Zakaria, CNN, on July 23 or 27th, whichever was a Sunday.
TO CRANKYOLDMAN..Hillary pandering to drama queens? What about Obama's pandering to the Hispanics, to the Jews, to the Palestinians, to any group that he is giving a speech to?
Would love to give more replies but dinner is calling....

Posted by: afed27 | August 8, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Because it can't be worse. A lot of websites have no problem policing their forums. You can only assume the WP doesn't really care. They don't even have the software to filter out certain words.
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"registration will get rid of all but the most vicious trolls and that would account of like 95%. Some sick nut who wants to go from computer to computer so they can keep posting, even they will after a while just get tired of it. Either way it would get rid of such a huge percent it is well worth it."

pop a smoke: It didn't do that last year when Chris, or the Powers That Be, instituted registration.

So, I ask again, Why will it be any different now?

Posted by: Nor'Easter | August 8, 2008 3:20 PM

Posted by: pop a smoke | August 8, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

The only conclusions I can draw about people who state Obama is a narcissist with a God complex and no leadership skills is they're either racist or brain-damaged. These people can't seem to wrap their minds around the idea that Barack is a brilliant, hard-working, self-made man with community experience and a genuine understanding of the current challenges we're facing as a nation. Sure, he's made some mistakes, as have you, as have I, but he is currently the best candidate to begin cleaning up the colossal mess left behind by the Bush administration. This is an incredible challenge. If anyone is going to have the ability to rally people to help out, including other countries, it's Barack. To heal our foreign relations, Barack is a natural diplomat. Hillary may have started the primaries as a front runner, but the more people heard Barack Obama, the more they connected with him because he connects with the people. He’s straightforward. He never slighted or insulted Hillary. Part of her downfall was that she fought dirty, she insulted him, she played into the guilt-by-association illusion and worked every angle to try and make Obama look bad. She did what McCain is trying to do now. She was not chosen, she didn't win, period. She had her chance to lose gracefully, but she tried to break DNC party rules. Nothing was stolen from her. Her name should NOT be on the DNC ticket. She's a fighter, which can be a good thing, but not when it begins to fracture the Democratic party and hurt the objective. She should be supporting Barack’s campaign 100%. Constipated Clintonites: get over it. If you love her so much, give her some money because she’s lucky to have a gentleman like Barack Obama help her raise money to get out of debt. If the shoe were on the other foot, I doubt HRC would have helped him. I can only imagine she’d kick him to the curb and criticize him for mis-managing his campaign - and would you want someone who can’t manage a campaign run the country? I think Hillary has the skill to be a good senate majority leader. She could run for president again in 8 years, maybe then she’ll be a little more mature. In the meantime, the collective HRC supporters who won’t vote for Barack are effectively grabbing the steering wheel and pulling the vehicle into oncoming traffic. Time to get over your psycho-emotional snag, suck it up and just vote Democrat or we’re gonna have a hard time pulling ourselves out of this rut. Listen up: McCain’s not going to help us. He doesn't seem to know where he stands on the issues from day to week. He keeps changing his mind. He was against Bush’s tax cuts for the rich, now supports those tax cuts. He was against off-shore drilling for 26 years, now he supports off-shore drilling. He was pro-choice, now he’s not. He was against the war in Iraq stating in 2005 there was corruption between Halliburton and Dick Cheney (see documentary “Why We Fight” 2005), then he said we should stay in Iraq for 100 years if necessary and he criticized Barack’s plan for troop withdrawal and said he was naive. Not long after Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq’s Prime Minister, agreed with Barack Obama’s plan for a 16 month timeline of troop withdrawal, McCain supports the idea. Who is this the real McCain?? His talent consists of standing still and pointing a judgmental finger at Obama in attempt to tear him down. He accuses Obama of being elitist and out of touch with the American people, meanwhile, McCain glides around in $500 Italian calf-skin loafers. Obama is a natural diplomat focused on taking action now and learning more about what the right plan of action as situations evolve. He isn't pandering, McCain is. Again, anyone who says Obama has no experience doesn't know anything about Barack Obama. I suggest you do some research because people who continue to make this false claim are increasingly dismissed. People who buy into the smears are also being dismissed. Most people agree McCain’s ridiculous ad comparing Obama to Paris and Britney backfired against him. People realize there’s no similarity between vapid flash-in-the-pan pop celebrity and a person who has attracted a magnitude of attention based on his intelligence, his convictions, the belief in his ability to change a corrupt political system and restore balance of power back to the people, bring an end to the needless occupation in Iraq, shift our military focus to Afghanistan where it’s needed, push to develop sustainable energy and create more domestic jobs while removing our dependence on foreign oil, work to change the imbalance of wages between men and women, offer affordable healthcare... The plan sounds better and smarter as it develops. But we’re living in a time where we have to be very discerning. We have to question everything, especially the talking heads and our corporate controlled mainstream media who has Barack Obama’s entire life under a microscope but leave McCain’s bad side to expose itself elsewhere, on the net and through independent media. McCain pretty much has a free pass. Any candidate who supports tax cuts for the rich will be the favored candidate among corporations and subsequently gets to ride the easy slide through corporate media. The GOP has a weak candidate. That's why they're playing games and doing everything they can to make Barack Obama look bad. If there's anything the American people should learn from the last eight years of lies, the leverage of fear to take control over our constitutional rights, inflation and a flaccid economy, war, rising food and gas prices while Exxon has easily succeeded in taking our money -- you can't trust Republicans! Stop voting for these truculent politicos!

Posted by: Von | August 8, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Yea, Hillary who threatened a woman's life to keep her quiet about Bill raping her. The same Hillary who was actually implicated in a murder? And Bill who raped a woman and she later passed a lie detector test. Bill who sexually assaulted another woman and she passed a lie detector test on live TV. These are the people you admire? There is really something wrong with the values of some people in this country. I feel sorry for you as you either have no self respect what so ever, or are actually that stupid.
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Senator Hillary Clinton has every right to have her name in nomination, some of us (18 million) voters got it right. I love ya Hillary, President Bill Clinton, and Chelsea. Obama and his supportors are terrible winners, they have to attack because their campaign lacks substance.
Hillary thanks for giving working men and women a chance to be heard. Blue collar Democrats will never forget and will always be grateful.
HILLARY IN 2012

Posted by: Victor Flores | August 8, 2008 2:39 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Yea, Hillary who threatened a woman's life to keep her quiet about Bill raping her. The same Hillary who was actually implicated in a murder? And Bill who raped a woman and she later passed a lie detector test. Bill who sexually assaulted another woman and she passed a lie detector test on live TV. These are the people you admire? There is really something wrong with the values of some people in this country. I feel sorry for you as you either have no self respect what so ever, or are actually that stupid.
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Senator Hillary Clinton has every right to have her name in nomination, some of us (18 million) voters got it right. I love ya Hillary, President Bill Clinton, and Chelsea. Obama and his supportors are terrible winners, they have to attack because their campaign lacks substance.
Hillary thanks for giving working men and women a chance to be heard. Blue collar Democrats will never forget and will always be grateful.
HILLARY IN 2012

Posted by: Victor Flores | August 8, 2008 2:39 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

NAFTA would work very well indeed if it wasn’t so one sided. It works extremely well for the incoming countries objectives and motives; services, produce and products.

It is so poorly written that other countries are starting to dictate terms to the USA.

Because of the terms put into play by the preceding presidents, this has made it a very popular Tool for the safety of corporations to hide behind. They can move their businesses outside the borders without impunity, which also allows them to hold this country in a vise grip.

So here we are trying to survive in an institution made by them for them. Because of the greed of many, our country is going down into obscurity. Taking the rights of every hard working honest American, of a honorable job, the dignity of a livelihood for himself and his family, the right to be proud of his accomplishments and above all his country.

Collectively, we have allowed this, by continually bickering and fighting against one another instead of against the institution that brought us to this point in time.

We must regain the rights our for-fathers fought so hard for.

Don’t cry for the Clintons, they made a gallant fight and they lost. Be more concerned for your rights of liberty, a right to work, the right to live in peace.

A once in a lifetime man has seen fit to run for an office for which he is completely capable of overseeing, with the knowledge that many things are wrong with this country and has the strength of character to try and right the many wrongs that has taken so many of our rights away from us.

Be more concerned that you don’t allow this opportunity to be lost. If this happens, we may never have this opportunity again. We all then would be the biggest losers in the history of our country.

We must stand together as an all consuming unit and not let this opportunity pass. The time is now to unite for justice.

A mother, grandmother and widow
Of Pennsylvania USA

Posted by: Jane | August 8, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"registration will get rid of all but the most vicious trolls and that would account of like 95%. Some sick nut who wants to go from computer to computer so they can keep posting, even they will after a while just get tired of it. Either way it would get rid of such a huge percent it is well worth it."

pop a smoke: It didn't do that last year when Chris, or the Powers That Be, instituted registration.

So, I ask again, Why will it be any different now?

Posted by: Nor'Easter | August 8, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Come on Ed! Can't you do your own friday line? It gets me through my week!

Posted by: Aaron | August 8, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Victor Flores | August 8, 2008 2:39 PM
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Senator Hillary Clinton has every right to have her name in nomination, some of us (18 million) voters got it right. I love ya Hillary, President Bill Clinton, and Chelsea. Obama and his supportors are terrible winners, they have to attack because their campaign lacks substance.
Hillary thanks for giving working men and women a chance to be heard. Blue collar Democrats will never forget and will always be grateful.
HILLARY IN 2012
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By "Getting it right" I assume you are referring to what most americans want. Most americans cast their vote for Obama. No, you Hillary people are terrible losers. You whined throughout the primary, you caused mass confusion, and you are still whining (pouting even) now that Obama is the nominee.

He has accepted every insult, every dimiss (most recently Bill Clinton) and every label in stride. He's cowtowed, pandered, and now kissed the golden helm of Bill by allowing him to speak. THAT is still not enough. We have to be nice. We have to give you time to get over it. We have to experience the catharsis. We have to let her speak. We have to give her the VP spot. We have to place her name on the ballot for a roll call vote.

We have to..We have to..We have to.

Why don't you just grow the fk up! She lost a democratic race by rules established by the democratic party. No one stole it from her. She lost. It's over. She lost.

RealityCheck.

Posted by: RealityCheck | August 8, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Senator Hillary Clinton has every right to have her name in nomination, some of us (18 million) voters got it right. I love ya Hillary, President Bill Clinton, and Chelsea. Obama and his supportors are terrible winners, they have to attack because their campaign lacks substance.
Hillary thanks for giving working men and women a chance to be heard. Blue collar Democrats will never forget and will always be grateful.
HILLARY IN 2012

Posted by: Victor Flores | August 8, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to be Dr. Phil to see many of them, maybe most of them are like ball game tailgaters. They just like getting caught up in the excitement of it all but in reality don't really care or know much. There is no chance they are actually coming up with any money for Hillary. They don't care anything about Hillary and may already be off to their next fad.


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All 18,000,000 of you HillBilly lovers should send Hillary $1.00...that would take care of the bulk of her self-imposed debt. Why are you people looking toward Senator Obama to retire the debt that she incurred by staying tooo long at the party! She and her supporters are pathetic, not to mention that sore, bitter, poor loser Bill! How jealous and envious can these people be of a man who ran an exemplary campaign and one who the WORLD loves. Hillary will make a complete fool of herself and her supporters if she and they have the gall to place her name in for nomination. She will truly go down in history as the ultimate spoiler and she and Bill will never have any further credibility in any party. I wouldn't be surprised if McCan't doesn't name her for his VP. I'm sure she would jump at the chance to switch sides and wait for McCan't to self destruct!

Obama '08

Posted by: mercybell | August 8, 2008 10:50 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I go on several blogs for real estate and they have a complete registration and pretty much never have a problem. No, you can't stop someone from using different computers or multiple accounts that is just the nature of it. But just like a locked door keeps honest people honest, registration will get rid of all but the most vicious trolls and that would account of like 95%. Some sick nut who wants to go from computer to computer so they can keep posting, even they will after a while just get tired of it. Either way it would get rid of such a huge percent it is well worth it.

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Registration didn't keep the trolls or nuts off last year.

They simply registered. - with the trolls registering multiple times using different names.

Why will it be any different now?

Posted by: Nor'Easter | August 8, 2008 12:04 PM

Posted by: pop a smoke | August 8, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Registration didn't keep the trolls or nuts off last year.

They simply registered. - with the trolls registering multiple times using different names.

Why will it be any different now?

Posted by: Nor'Easter | August 8, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The RBO is not qualified to be the President...and he knows why. President Clinton said this the other day..."the constitution decides if you meet the qualifications to be the President".

Question does he meet them?

Posted by: donnal1 | August 8, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

All 18,000,000 of you HillBilly lovers should send Hillary $1.00...that would take care of the bulk of her self-imposed debt. Why are you people looking toward Senator Obama to retire the debt that she incurred by staying tooo long at the party! She and her supporters are pathetic, not to mention that sore, bitter, poor loser Bill! How jealous and envious can these people be of a man who ran an exemplary campaign and one who the WORLD loves. Hillary will make a complete fool of herself and her supporters if she and they have the gall to place her name in for nomination. She will truly go down in history as the ultimate spoiler and she and Bill will never have any further credibility in any party. I wouldn't be surprised if McCan't doesn't name her for his VP. I'm sure she would jump at the chance to switch sides and wait for McCan't to self destruct!

Obama '08

Posted by: mercybell | August 8, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

18 million hacks
back Clinton, but don't have cash
go shave your armpits

Posted by: the hai-kook | August 8, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton
Bitter, hated, cheated on
no class, no style

Posted by: the hai-kook | August 8, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

TO: Alan A. Katz, poster at 8/8 12:25 a.m.

The objectionable Nazi rants and foolishness posted here last night appear to be the work of paid disinformation "specialists" whose assignment seems to be to troll political sites on the internet and commit cyber-vandalism.

Their goal seems to be to cast doubt upon anything that is written or posted to the internet which in any way conflicts with the world view that their superiors wish to impose on society.

I do not have the technological means to prove this thesis. I have reason to believe it is correct. Perhaps the Washington Post could trace the IP addresses of these malicious posters. But if they are who I think they are, they would have the technological means to "spoof" addresses and make it appear that the messages emanated elsewhere.

Bottom line: It might not just be the "animals." It could be an unconstitutional abuse of power.

Posted by: scrivener | August 8, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

TIME AGAIN FOR SUPERS TO BE THINKING ABOUT HILLARY?

(Note: the following column was posted here in a shorter form two weeks ago. The complete version is being reposted in light of Hillary Clinton's public re-entrance into the presidential race -- ostensibly as a campaigner for Barack Obama, but, in the opinion of many, also as her own "stalking horse.")

A new Washington Post/Wall Street Journal poll focuses on the other race for the White House -- the contest to become the nation's First Lady. While it's true that a vote for a presidential candidate is not necessarily reflective of the voter's opinion of his spouse, it's a leading indicator nonetheless. And the poll does not seem to auger well for Barack Obama.

Among those polled in four key states who had an opinion on the subject, Cindy McCain's "favorables" outstripped Michelle Obama by about a 3-to-1 margin -- this, despite Cindy's past problems with prescription drug addiction, and charges stemming from the theft of medications from a charity sponsored by her foundation. The poll didn't specifically ask about voter reaction to the recent cartoon cover of the New Yorker magazine depicting Michelle, a Yale law graduate with no record of drug use, as a fist-bumping black militant, and her husband as a turban-clad Muslim. The drawing was intended to satirize the bigoted views of the extreme right; but many, including Obama himself, took offense.

Could racism explain the disparate approval ratings of Cindy and Michelle? It's a premise that cannot be ignored. Virulent racism remains a great stain on the Republic. The poll seems to portend that Cindy McCain's foibles and shortcomings will be excused in voter evaluation of her suitability to become First Lady, while Michelle Obama's race will not. Those who would diss Michelle while refusing to disapprove of Cindy's past probably would not vote for Obama in any event; but it's an indication of how racial perceptions may color the final vote count.

To conclude that the vote for president will be decided solely on racial grounds would be to insult the character and intelligence of the American electorate -- how else to explain Obama's presumptive nomination as the Democratic candidate? But the First Lady polling once again demonstrates the pervasive role that race and racial stereotypes still plays in our supposedly enlightened society.

That is why some political observers believe that to win, Obama must follow in the measured footsteps of another African-American pioneer, Jackie Robinson: to succeed, project a perfect balance of talent, determination, humility and pride.

No one questions Obama's talent, determination and self-confidence; where he falls short of the ideal is in the humility department. The obvious, some would say overdone, stagecraft involved in his foreign tour is but the latest example of a campaign that too often has taken on the imperial airs of a cult of personality. It too closely follows a disturbing narrative that Obama cannot seem to shake: the notion that he's arrogant, effete and presumptuous to a fault -- especially for a candidate with only three years' experience on the national scene.

In this upcoming election, experience still matters -- despite the conventional wisdom that Hillary Clinton's failure to secure the nomination in the primaries indicates otherwise. It is still likely that this election ultimately will turn on the experience question:

Which candidate has the experience, values, and judgment to become the next president?

Neither candidate scores particularly well among those criteria. McCain's increasingly apparent memory problems and his verbal gaffes have raised new concerns about his age and agility. But McCain's many years in Congress and the automatic respect he engenders as a former P.O.W. probably give him the edge with typical (read: white suburban/rural) voters.

And, of course, McCain gets the racist vote by simply showing up.

If "judgment to lead," as Obama's slogan puts it, trumps experience among the electorate's major criteria for choosing the next president, it still will be close. If voters prefer the"safe" candidate, they probably will go for McCain -- unless Obama brings along an experienced, well-known and respected vice presidential candidate who would serve in the role as trusted advisor and mentor.

If Obama seals the nomination, the only candidate on the horizon that fits that bill is Chris Dodd. The animus among Obama, Hillary and Bill would seem to render Hillary an unwise v.p. choice.

But Hillary would be my pick as the Democratic presidential nominee most likely to defeat McCain -- a belief cemented recently by Obama's retreat from core principles: his acquiescence to the FISA wiretapping/telecom immunity bill, the Supreme Court decision barring handgun regulation in D.C., and the court's expansion of application of the death penalty. Throw in his pandering on church-state issues and some recent nuances on the Mideast, and he becomes even less convincing as the candidate of "change."

If the GOP is able to paint Obama's foreign jaunt as a presumptuous and self-absorbed excerise in hubris as opposed to a true fact-finding mission, Democratic superdelegates may be left to wonder: Are we really going into the general with our strongest candidate?

A disavowal of their endorsement of Obama by black leaders such as Jesse Jackson, Sheila Jackson Lee, Bob Johnson of BET could presage an announcement by Hillary Clinton that she, too, is withdrawing her endorsement of Obama, and has decided to challenge him at the convention for the nomination.

This is the secret, unspoken hope of millions of frustrated and concerned Democrats.

These skeptical Hillaryites -- some may view them as less cynical than realistic -- do not dislike Obama. But they believe that his persist demonstrations of hubris and elitism; his vacillation on some key issues; the disillusionment among some core supporters; all that, coupled with manifestations of endemic racism among segments of the electorate, could thwart his "improbable journey" to the White House.

And such skepticism over Obama's chances comes in a year that by all measures should favor the Democrats, given the sagging economy and dissatisfaction with the current Republican administration.

This is the uncomfortable realpolitik that starry-eyed pundits choose to ignore.

The question is: Is it a question that the superdelegates can afford to ignore?


WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? NOT WHEN
GOVT-SUPPORTED 'VIGILANTE JUSTICE' SQUADS
ARE TARGETING AMERICANS OUTSIDE OF THE LAW:


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vigilante-injustice-organized-gang-stalking-american-gestapo-are-they-doing-hi-tech-torture?
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

Posted by: scrivener | August 8, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

McCaint really only cares about McCaint and thats all..."my friends"

But if they really want to "score" some points with McCaint....become a "blogger"

Here's Why...

Are you..Another McCaint supporter..are you looking to get some points...

McCaint rewarding anyone who makes negative remarks about Mr Obama and positive ones about McCaint......The "point" system...."revealed"

500 Points...a shirt
2000 Points a coffee cup
10000 Points a signed book
100000 points a signed picture
1000000 points a ride on his "Straight Talk" Bus
10000000 points a ride on his "Straight Talk" Airplane
100000000 points a front row seat at the RNC/GOP convention
1000000000 points become Vice President of the United States....

Pathetic, Sad, & Laughable.....

These RNC/GOP card holders must take hot showers to remove the elephant crap from their sickly bodies.....

Posted by: AlexP1 | August 8, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I hope she does put her name in nomination. She will get almost no delegates and just look like a total fool. Is this how she really wants to finish this?


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Hillary Clinton got more primary votes than any other Democratic candidate in history, and the Obama camp wants to deny her and her supporters the normal and traditional process of having a runner up with a significant showing having his name put in nomination and a roll call of his delegates.

Every week, Obama engages in another spectacle that shows everyone what a narcissistic, freak he is. He isn't a leader, but a freshman senator with a God Complex. His hubris will lose the election.

At this point, he's shown how unlimited and self-focused his universe is. Even if he picks Hillary Clinton as his VP because he's sliding in the polls, I don't think he should be elected.

He's sliding in the polls because awareness is spreading that this isn't a leader. Obama's an eloquent but crazy black man spewing fake rhetoric about inclusiveness and elevating people, who instead is an unbridled example of narcissistic personality disorder. Obama shouldn't get elected under any circumstances, Clinton on the ballot or not.
Posted by: AsperGirl | August 8, 2008 8:12 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

WILL THE ELECTION MATTER? NOT WITH
EXTRA-LEGAL TARGETING OF AMERICANS
BY GOVT-SUPPORTED VIGILANTE SQUADS

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

Posted by: scrivener | August 8, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

>> MarkInAustin wrote: "Registration? Please?"

If they got rid of angriestdogintheworld, that would solve a lot of issues. He's posting the poetry and the Nazi stuff. I reported him to the Washington Post Ombudsman a while back for stalking me on the forum and harassing me and threatening me, but apparently no one did anything. He still has the same IP address.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 8, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton got more primary votes than any other Democratic candidate in history, and the Obama camp wants to deny her and her supporters the normal and traditional process of having a runner up with a significant showing having his name put in nomination and a roll call of his delegates.

Every week, Obama engages in another spectacle that shows everyone what a narcissistic, freak he is. He isn't a leader, but a freshman senator with a God Complex. His hubris will lose the election.

At this point, he's shown how unlimited and self-focused his universe is. Even if he picks Hillary Clinton as his VP because he's sliding in the polls, I don't think he should be elected.

He's sliding in the polls because awareness is spreading that this isn't a leader. Obama's an eloquent but crazy black man spewing fake rhetoric about inclusiveness and elevating people, who instead is an unbridled example of narcissistic personality disorder. Obama shouldn't get elected under any circumstances, Clinton on the ballot or not.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 8, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The chat is phony. Everyone knows he true level of animosity towards Obama and her willingness to do anything to get her "18 million" votes recognized in Denver.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | August 8, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton relishes the attention... http://www.enewsreference.wordpress.com

Posted by: eNews Reference | August 8, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Registration? Please?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | August 8, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama isn't a good celebrity because he's not inclusive enough. Just like his arguing with John McCain's "let's do everything" energy policy, where we drill offshore for oil, invest in renewable energy, conserve and build nuclear power plants. Obama just wants what is in his comfort zone.

Paris Hilton has a better energy policy, a better celebrity personality and, despite what Maureen Dowd says, Paris Hilton is hot but Obama is not.

As a celebrity, as a policy leader, as a man planning a party (convention), Obama's not inclusive, he's divisive and he comes off more like a controlling narcissist than a leader.

As a celebrity and a prospective leader, Obama could be more "Hiltonian".

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 8, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

>> Anonymous wrote: "Angriest Dog in the World, "Your Clinton as Hitler thing is about the most insulting ridiculous thing ever posted here and it shows that you are mindless and ignorant. You have no idea about politics or history but are very good at jumping on a bandwagon. You are a coward who can't tolerate a "strong girl"

angriestdogintheworld is also the one posting the absurdly bad political poetry.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 8, 2008 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Clinton has the right to have her name placed in nomination at the convention like so many other candidates have done before her. Of course none of them had so many votes that it risks embarrassing the selected nominee.

"BackTrackObama" better be able to wrap his ego around this plan. Clinton's 18 million voters are waiting to see how this is handled. We want her efforts and achievement recognized.

Posted by: Catherine | August 8, 2008 6:00 AM | Report abuse

BO has his own generational problem. He seems to have missed completely how community colleges have transformed America. In Audacity of Hope BO has only a single mention of cc's and only in relation to universities. His website doesn't mention cc's at all. Doesn't he know that cc's enroll more than half of all students in higher education? Doesn't he know that these students represent a cross section of America in every demographic, including age? BO cannot win this election without the vote of students who have attended a cc. BO should work with Gov. Mark Warner to learn about cc students and how cc's have changed the face of American society and the economy. He should make speeches at cc's. He should mention a cc student and their college in every public appearance. But he won't because lives in the old America where you either went to university or you went to work. In the new America everyone has some connection (student, teacher, family member, business client) to a cc. Everyone except BO.

Posted by: Patrick Tompkins | August 8, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

Whomever posted the below comment is so on target.

I don't care how you word it, to take money from the {oil} companies and {rebate} it the the people is first and formost unAmerican, second unConstitional.

So which company is next to be targerted for "making to much profit"?

I am no fan of big oil, but this is not Robinhood. This is so wrong.

Not to mention "TAX TO DEATH" the rest of Americas companies to force them abroad.

McCain is not only }giving" big oil a huge tax break BUT ALSO ALL COMPANIES IN AMERICA. SO THEY WILL STAY AND PUT US TO WORK and grow and retool us to be greener.

Wake up, grow up, and read basic ecomonics. I can not even say I am shocked at the mulitude of people that do not underdtand this basic concept.

Of course, socialist like redistrubition of wealth and no wars to fight because they don't want to work for wealth and they don't want to fight for the beliefs of freedom.

Suck it up light weights and pin heads. If you want "someone" to take care of your nanny needs go live in a country that promotes that culture. Please, leave ours alone.

"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
In the past, such rhetoric was just that — rhetoric. But Obama's positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state.

Posted by: usa voter | August 8, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Whomever posted the below comment is so on target.

I don't care how you word it, to take money from the {oil} companies and {rebate} it the the people is first and formost unAmerican, second unConstitional.

So which company is next to be targerted for "making to much profit"?

I am no fan of big oil, but this is not Robinhood. This is so wrong.

Not to mention "TAX TO DEATH" the rest of Americas companies to force them abroad.

McCain is not only }giving" big oil a huge tax break BUT ALSO ALL COMPANIES IN AMERICA. SO THEY WILL STAY AND PUT US TO WORK and grow and retool us to be greener.

Wake up, grow up, and read basic ecomonics. I can not even say I am shocked at the mulitude of people that do not underdtand this basic concept.

Of course, socialist like redistrubition of wealth and no wars to fight because they don't want to work for wealth and they don't want to fight for the beliefs of freedom.

Suck it up light weights and pin heads. If you want "someone" to take care of your nanny needs go live in a country that promotes that culture. Please, leave ours alone.

"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
In the past, such rhetoric was just that — rhetoric. But Obama's positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state.

Posted by: usa voter | August 8, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

leave Hillery alone... starring Chris Crocker ... also anybody know what a fish wipey is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNRV6wruLb8

(must be 18 or older as it has pictures of Hillary in a push-up bra)

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 8, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Republican John Weiler, Former Staff Sgt, U.S. Air Force
supports Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvO1xELHp3k

McCain wants to declare victory in Iraq in 5 years. McCain
followed Karl Rove's December 2007 advice and embraced Bush on the economy and Iraq.


http://artofmanliness.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/mccain-hug.jpg

Karl Rove's protege Steve Schmidt now runs McCain's campaign.

Say no to a third McCain/Bush/Cheney/Rove/Schmidt term.

Barack Obam '08

Posted by: Bobby | August 8, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Bye all. This place has become hopeless. Between the idiotic, nonsensical "poetry", ten page rants on Nazis and long-winded diatribes by McCain trolls, there is too much noise here for any meaningful discussion.

You are witnessing the ultimate devolution of the Web. Too bad, it was a promising medium until all the animals were let loose.

Posted by: Alan A. Katz | August 8, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

maudlin potentate...


frecto tweezo


niktu clattu barada bunkie


.

Posted by: dangerous invocations of | August 7, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Y KANT FRAT BOYZ RITE?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

but I can't move what you don't have.

Posted by: no offense | August 7, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

are evokative.


you duh etcha sketch

a

Posted by: words | August 7, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Angriest Dog in the World,

Your Clinton as Hitler thing is about the most insulting ridiculous thing ever posted here and it shows that you are mindless and ignorant. You have no idea about politics or history but are very good at jumping on a bandwagon. You are a coward who can't tolerate a "strong girl"
Your kind prevent the party from uniting by villainizing the person that 18 million of us supported. I'm not some newbie to this, I've been an activist in the party since age 13 and volunteered for Jackson, Dukakis, Dinkins, Cuomo, Green, B. Kerry, Clinton, Gore, Ferrer, Clark and J. Kerry among others. The "chosen" candidate is the least experienced candidate of this century, fresh out of the state senate, and has no history or policies that back his rhetoric. I am voting for him but he doesn't even compare to HRC in terms of progressive policy proposals and legislation. So please STFU.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

don't write poetry...

you create effect dingo boy.

Posted by: you | August 7, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

get your hand out of your pants.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

You ask "What's going on at WP. The posts don't make sense anymore."

Perhaps that is because paid disinformation trolls are posting their "greatest hits."

And guess who's at the top of the hit parade? Look for yourself.

Perhaps the civilian overlords are perusing the web and will take note. I can't imagine they would be pleased.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

No offense but the political "modern poetry" is really bad.

Politics is itself a mockery and affectation; its unreal landscape is a mere hollow shell of affectation and stereotype within the larger hollow shell of pop culture within the universe of illusion we call Zeitgeist and culture.

Writing poetry about politics is like writing poetry about jokes about poetry, or like trying to catch someone else's snot with your handkerchief.

Writing poetry about something so inherently affected and devoid of true meaning as politics always produces something that sounds really, really 13 years old.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener | August 7, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

What is going on WP? these posts are not even making sense anymore. What happened to the upgrades and registration?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

German NAZI Party member Joseph Goebbels today as Karl ROVERER became Adolf Hitler's PROPAGANDA minister in 1933, which gave him power over all German radio, press, cinema, and theater.

In 1925 Goebbels met the party leader Adolf Hitler. In 1926 he was made Gauleiter, or party leader, for the region of Berlin, and in 1927 he founded and became editor of the official National Socialist periodical Der Angriff (The Attack). He was elected to the Reichstag, the German parliament, in 1928.

By exploiting mob emotions and by employing all modern methods of propaganda Goebbels helped Hitler into power.

His work as a propagandist materially aided GEORGE BUSH aka Hitler's rise to power in 1933. When Hitler seized power in 1933, Goebbels was appointed Reichsminister for propaganda and national enlightenment. From then until his death, Goebbels used all media of education and communications to further Nazi propagandistic aims, instilling in the Germans the concept of their leader as a veritable god and of their destiny as the rulers of the world. In 1938 he became a member of the Hitler cabinet council. Late in World War II, in 1944, Hitler placed him in charge of total mobilization.

As Reichsminister for Propaganda and National Enlightenment, Goebbels was given complete control over MEDIA:

radio,
press,
cinema, and
theater;
later he also regimented all German culture.

GOEBBELS' PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA
Based upon Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda by Leonard W. Doob, published in Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.

1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.

2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.

a. It must issue all the propaganda directives.

b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.

c. It must oversee other agencies' activities which have propaganda consequences...das DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE.

3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.

4. Propaganda must affect the enemy's policy and action.

a. By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence

b. By openly disseminating propaganda whose content or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions

c. By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself

d. By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity

5. Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign

6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.

7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.

8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.

9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.

10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy's prestige or lends support to the propagandist's own objective.

11. Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.

12. Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.

13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.

b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment

c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness

14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.

a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses

b. They must be capable of being easily learned

c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations

d. They must be boomerang-proof

15. Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.

16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.

a. Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat

b. Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and which cannot be reduced by people themselves

17. Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.

a. Inevitable frustrations must be anticipated

b. Inevitable frustrations must be placed in perspective

18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.

19. Propaganda cannot immediately affect strong counter-tendencies; instead it must offer some form of action or diversion, or both.

Posted by: OY VEH!!!!!!!!!!! ACHTUNG | August 7, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Nazis and the Republican Party
Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in BLOWBACK that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U.S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas. The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party.
Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U.S. certain concessions in exchange for his own protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.
Journalist Russ Bellant (OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) shows that Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council. Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week, disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.
According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:
1.Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council's executive director, and head of "Bulgarians for Bush." Slavoff was a
        member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust
        denier, Austin App.
      2.Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of "Romanians for Bush."
        Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.
      3.Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.
      4.Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.
      5.Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP's Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi
        groups.
      6.Bohdan Fedorak, leader of "Ukrainians for Bush." Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish
        wartime pogroms.
   The Philadelphia Inquirer ran an article on the Bush team's inclusion of Nazis (David Lee Preston, "Fired Bush
   backer one of several with possible Nazi links," September 10, 1988.) The newspaper also ran an investigative
   series on Nazi members of the Bush coalition. The article confirmed that the Bush team included members listed by Russ Bellant.
 Journalist Martin A. Lee, has written for The Nation, Rolling Stone, The San Francisco Chronicle, and other publications. In THE BEAST REAWAKENS, Lee confirms that during both the Reagan and Bush years, the Republican Party's ethnic outreach arm recruited members from the Nazi émigré network. Lee says that the Republican Party's ethnic outreach division had an outspoken hatred of President Jimmy Carter's Office of Special Investigations (OSI), an organization dedicated to tracking down and prosecuting Nazi war collaborators who entered this country illegally. Former Republican Pat Buchanan attacked Carter's OSI after it deported a few suspected Nazi war criminals.
According to Lee, public relations man Harold Keith Thompson was principal U.S. point man for the postwar Nazi support network known as die Spinne, or the Spider. In the late 40s and early 50s, Thompson worked as the chief North American representative for the remaining National Socialist German Worker's Party and the SS. Lee writes that the wealthy Thompson gave generously to Republican candidates Senator Jesse Helms and would-be senator Oliver North. Thompson's money gained him membership in the GOP's Presidential Legion of Merit. Lee says Thompson also "received numerous thank-you letters from the Republican National Committee." Those letters are now in the Hoover Institute Special Collections Library.
Christopher Simpson writes in BLOWBACK that in 1983, Ronald Reagan presented a Medal of Freedom, the country's highest civilian honor, to CIA émigré program consultant James Burnham. Burnham was a psychological warfare consultant who promoted something called "liberationism." Just before the 1952 election, the CIA worked up a multimillion-dollar public relations campaign aimed at selling Americans on expanding cold war activities in Europe. Part of the guiding theory (given the name "liberationism") was the idea that certain Nazi leaders from World War II should be brought in as "freedom fighters" against the USSR. Reagan said that Burnham's ideas on liberation "profoundly affected the way America views itself and the world," adding, "I owe [Burnham] a personal debt, because throughout the years of traveling on the mashed-potato circuit I have quoted [him] widely." Reagan may not have known Burnham's theories were based on his work on projects that enlisted many Nazi collaborators, but it seems that Reagan's CIA Director Casey or former CIA Director, Vice President George Bush, would have informed him.
At a May 9, 1984 press conference, Simon Wiesenthal said, "Nazi criminals were the principal beneficiaries of the Cold War." The cold war mentality, hyped by Reinhard Gehlen and other Nazis, became the shelter for tens of thousands of Nazi criminals. Helping the far right in this country to promote cold war hysteria became the Nazi war criminals "reason for being." As Christopher Simpson says, the cold war became those criminals' means "to avoid responsibility for the murders they had committed."
Journalist Seymour Hersh says Christopher Simpson's BLOWBACK is "the ultimate book about the worst kind of cold war thinking, in which some of our most respected statesmen made shameful decisions that they mistakenly believed to be justified." To this day, says Simpson, the U.S. intelligence agencies hide the scope of their post-World War II collaboration with Nazi criminals.

Posted by: Hello Captain Nazi pleaser... | August 7, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Captain America at 8:59 p.m.:

I take umbrage, Sir, at your insults.

I am not "the guy on the rice box."

I, sir, am a man. That's M-A-N. And I am a businessperson and entrepreneur. Have you not seen our most recent series of TV commercials?

As for the scribe known as Scrivener; I do not know the gentleman. But I have read his reasoned argument in favor of the candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton; and I must say, I cannot find fault with his analysis.

I can assure you that I am not the only "AA," as you so delicately put it, who would vote for Hillary Clinton. My good friend, Robert Johnson of Black Entertainment Television, is but one of many millions of "AAs" who believe that Sen. Clinton's experience, and her willingness to fight, makes her the preferred choice. Barack Obama is a fine man, wise beyond his years, and a magnetic personality. He would make a great vice president in a Hillary Clinton administration.

So again, Sir, this "AA" awaits your apology; I am on a slow boil.

Sincerely yours,

Uncle Ben


p.s. I just clicked on Scrivener's links; my computer did not crash. You owe Mr. Scrivener an apology as well.

Posted by: Uncle Ben | August 7, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

how poignant...

wot piquance, Obama messiah...


you really are a wit of incredible ability...

maybe you can call him a monkey or a toad or something...

that would be even more intelligent....

what a droll fellow you are the depth and bredth of you like a dog shyyte on my shoe


.

Posted by: gosh... | August 7, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

silly man,

you look like a dinah sauh.

Posted by: hello | August 7, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else seen the new John McCain web ad featuring various Democrats -- Tom Dasche, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Howard Dean, Russ Feingold, etc. -- praising him? This may not be the best way to attract conservatives, but it could be effective with independents and Democrats (particularly Supredelegates?) who are leery of the Obamessiah.

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

scrivener and Dianne27 or -72 or whatever --Cut it out. We have read your nonsense for the 126th time and we get it. First, scrivener, no one is clicking on those bogus links of yours because we don't want our computers to crash. We're not falling for it. Further HRC's antics have ended her chances for 2008, 2012, 2016 (after 2016 the soft focus won't help). The only AA who'll vote for her is the guy on the rice box. And Dianne: for the 80th time, Michelle's middle name is not Shaniqua and you have never seen her eat (well maybe once, with your nose against the outside windowpane of the restaurant you couldn't get into). Enough.....

Posted by: Captain America | August 7, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

mean really, stale toast has more character than most of you,


and that includes the candidates....


real I am...


what I have I created what you have you borrow


fundk....chumps...

you imitate, I am.


.

Posted by: I | August 7, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

moe ron....


who represents the truth........

I don't care who stands in front of the machine....


I want to own the machine.....and make it do what it's supposed to

represent the people.......

let's be clear....


McCain could die tomorrow and Romney could run...


the slimelords would think nothing of putting the one who best answers the call in place....


O bah man and Mc Cain are being played against each other to see who gives up the most to the slime lords...


ME, I take the slime lords game away.....

I make them get down on their KNEES and pay the price


jailtime.


can't fix what you can't reach.


I reach, I fix and I bring it to the game

the rest of you fart and use fans to rearrange the origin of the gas

you suck mine.


.

Posted by: the truth | August 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

starryperdun:

That was a LONG post! Perhaps you should Google "Hillary Clinton" and Alinsky before you go to the trouble of posting it all somewhere else?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

It's incumbent for HRC to insure that BHO not win the nomination. HRC has both the popular and delegate vote if it was not for the wacky system in Texas and delegates from Florida and Michigan are counted. Most of the delegates BHO gathered were done before anyone knew much about him. If the article in IBD is accurate then all the more reason for HRC to win.

Barack Obama's Stealth Socialism
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, July 28, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Election '08: Before friendly audiences, Barack Obama speaks passionately about something called "economic justice." He uses the term obliquely, though, speaking in code — socialist code.


IBD Series: The Audacity Of Socialism


During his NAACP speech earlier this month, Sen. Obama repeated the term at least four times. "I've been working my entire adult life to help build an America where economic justice is being served," he said at the group's 99th annual convention in Cincinnati.
Democrat Barack Obama arrives in Washington on Monday. On the campaign trail, Obama has styled himself a centrist. But a look at those who've served as his advisers and mentors over the years shows a far more left-leaning tilt to his background — and to his politics.
And as president, "we'll ensure that economic justice is served," he asserted. "That's what this election is about." Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval.
It's the rest of the public that remains in the dark, which is why we're launching this special educational series.
"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
In the past, such rhetoric was just that — rhetoric. But Obama's positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state.
In his latest memoir he shares that he'd like to "recast" the welfare net that FDR and LBJ cast while rolling back what he derisively calls the "winner-take-all" market economy that Ronald Reagan reignited (with record gains in living standards for all).
Obama also talks about "restoring fairness to the economy," code for soaking the "rich" — a segment of society he fails to understand that includes mom-and-pop businesses filing individual tax returns.
It's clear from a close reading of his two books that he's a firm believer in class envy. He assumes the economy is a fixed pie, whereby the successful only get rich at the expense of the poor.
Following this discredited Marxist model, he believes government must step in and redistribute pieces of the pie. That requires massive transfers of wealth through government taxing and spending, a return to the entitlement days of old.
Of course, Obama is too smart to try to smuggle such hoary collectivist garbage through the front door. He's disguising the wealth transfers as "investments" — "to make America more competitive," he says, or "that give us a fighting chance," whatever that means.
Among his proposed "investments":
• "Universal," "guaranteed" health care.
• "Free" college tuition.
• "Universal national service" (a la Havana).
• "Universal 401(k)s" (in which the government would match contributions made by "low- and moderate-income families").
• "Free" job training (even for criminals).
• "Wage insurance" (to supplement dislocated union workers' old income levels).
• "Free" child care and "universal" preschool.
• More subsidized public housing.
• A fatter earned income tax credit for "working poor."
• And even a Global Poverty Act that amounts to a Marshall Plan for the Third World, first and foremost Africa.
His new New Deal also guarantees a "living wage," with a $10 minimum wage indexed to inflation; and "fair trade" and "fair labor practices," with breaks for "patriot employers" who cow-tow to unions, and sticks for "nonpatriot" companies that don't.
That's just for starters — first-term stuff.
Obama doesn't stop with socialized health care. He wants to socialize your entire human resources department — from payrolls to pensions. His social-microengineering even extends to mandating all employers provide seven paid sick days per year to salary and hourly workers alike.
You can see why Obama was ranked, hands-down, the most liberal member of the Senate by the National Journal. Some, including colleague and presidential challenger John McCain, think he's the most liberal member in Congress.
But could he really be "more left," as McCain recently remarked, than self-described socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (for whom Obama has openly campaigned, even making a special trip to Vermont to rally voters)?
Obama's voting record, going back to his days in the Illinois statehouse, says yes. His career path — and those who guided it — leads to the same unsettling conclusion.
The seeds of his far-left ideology were planted in his formative years as a teenager in Hawaii — and they were far more radical than any biography or profile in the media has portrayed.
A careful reading of Obama's first memoir, "Dreams From My Father," reveals that his childhood mentor up to age 18 — a man he cryptically refers to as "Frank" — was none other than the late communist Frank Marshall Davis, who fled Chicago after the FBI and Congress opened investigations into his "subversive," "un-American activities."
As Obama was preparing to head off to college, he sat at Davis' feet in his Waikiki bungalow for nightly bull sessions. Davis plied his impressionable guest with liberal doses of whiskey and advice, including: Never trust the white establishment.
"They'll train you so good," he said, "you'll start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that sh**."
After college, where he palled around with Marxist professors and took in socialist conferences "for inspiration," Obama followed in Davis' footsteps, becoming a "community organizer" in Chicago.
His boss there was Gerald Kellman, whose identity Obama also tries to hide in his book. Turns out Kellman's a disciple of the late Saul "The Red" Alinsky, a hard-boiled Chicago socialist who wrote the "Rules for Radicals" and agitated for social revolution in America.
The Chicago-based Woods Fund provided Kellman with his original $25,000 to hire Obama. In turn, Obama would later serve on the Woods board with terrorist Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground. Ayers was one of Obama's early political supporters.
After three years agitating with marginal success for more welfare programs in South Side Chicago, Obama decided he would need to study law to "bring about real change" — on a large scale.
While at Harvard Law School, he still found time to hone his organizing skills. For example, he spent eight days in Los Angeles taking a national training course taught by Alinsky's Industrial Areas Foundation. With his newly minted law degree, he returned to Chicago to reapply — as well as teach — Alinsky's "agitation" tactics.
(A video-streamed bio on Obama's Web site includes a photo of him teaching in a University of Chicago classroom. If you freeze the frame and look closely at the blackboard Obama is writing on, you can make out the words "Power Analysis" and "Relationships Built on Self Interest" — terms right out of Alinsky's rule book.)
Amid all this, Obama reunited with his late father's communist tribe in Kenya, the Luo, during trips to Africa.
As a Nairobi bureaucrat, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a Harvard-educated economist, grew to challenge the ruling pro-Western government for not being socialist enough. In an eight-page scholarly paper published in 1965, he argued for eliminating private farming and nationalizing businesses "owned by Asians and Europeans."
His ideas for communist-style expropriation didn't stop there. He also proposed massive taxes on the rich to "redistribute our economic gains to the benefit of all."
"Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed," Obama Sr. wrote. "I do not see why the government cannot tax those who have more and syphon some of these revenues into savings which can be utilized in investment for future development."
Taxes and "investment" . . . the fruit truly does not fall far from the vine.
(Voters might also be interested to know that Obama, the supposed straight shooter, does not once mention his father's communist leanings in an entire book dedicated to his memory.)
In Kenya's recent civil unrest, Obama privately phoned the leader of the opposition Luo tribe, Raila Odinga, to voice his support. Odinga is so committed to communism he named his oldest son after Fidel Castro.
With his African identity sewn up, Obama returned to Chicago and fell under the spell of an Afrocentric pastor. It was a natural attraction. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright preaches a Marxist version of Christianity called "black liberation theology" and has supported the communists in Cuba, Nicaragua and elsewhere.
Obama joined Wright's militant church, pledging allegiance to a system of "black values" that demonizes white "middle classness" and other mainstream pursuits.
(Obama in his first book, published in 1995, calls such values "sensible." There's no mention of them in his new book.)
With the large church behind him, Obama decided to run for political office, where he could organize for "change" more effectively. "As an elected official," he said, "I could bring church and community leaders together easier than I could as a community organizer or lawyer."
He could also exercise real, top-down power, the kind that grass-roots activists lack. Alinsky would be proud.
Throughout his career, Obama has worked closely with a network of stone-cold socialists and full-blown communists striving for "economic justice."
He's been traveling in an orbit of collectivism that runs from Nairobi to Honolulu, and on through Chicago to Washington.
Yet a recent AP poll found that only 6% of Americans would describe Obama as "liberal," let alone socialist.
Public opinion polls usually reflect media opinion, and the media by and large have portrayed Obama as a moderate "outsider" (the No. 1 term survey respondents associate him with) who will bring a "breath of fresh air" to Washington.
The few who have drilled down on his radical roots have tended to downplay or pooh-pooh them. Even skeptics have failed to connect the dots for fear of being called the dreaded "r" word.
But too much is at stake in this election to continue mincing words.
Both a historic banking crisis and 1970s-style stagflation loom over the economy. Democrats, who already control Congress, now threaten to filibuster-proof the Senate in what could be a watershed election for them — at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.
A perfect storm of statism is forming, and our economic freedoms are at serious risk.
Those who care less about looking politically correct than preserving the free-market individualism that's made this country great have to start calling things by their proper name to avert long-term disaster.

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Posted by: starryperdun | August 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

angriestdogintheworld, please tell Jason and the Argonauts where the Hillarians are. Jason will take care of them. By the way, how come their awful pant suits never fit? Maybe the moss-pant-suit-juice-and-the occasional-squirrel diet will help with the rear-end weight. Do you think things would have been different for them if they had ever gotten a date? Can Barack hook 'em up?
__________

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 7, 2008 7:56 PM

FUTURE NEWS SYNDICATE

Lost Tribe Of Hillary Holdouts Found

- BREAKING NEWS -

The first contact in several years with remnants of a holdout band of Hillary Clinton supporters took place yesterday, with a helicopter flyover identifying the handful of survivors. Unwilling to concede that the 2008 Democratic presidential primary had been fairly conducted, the hardy but dwindling tribe became increasingly isolated during the Obama/Leahy administrations, eschewing television and rumored to be surviving only on moss, pant suit juice and the occasional squirrel.

Following the merger of the Republican and Democratic Parties and repeal of the 22nd Amendment in 2015 which allowed Beloved Leader Obama’s election to a third term by an unprecedented Electoral College vote of 538 – 0, the tribe disappeared and has not been heard from for several years. Until this sighting, the continued existence of the “Hillarians” was doubted and their story had passed into the realm of urban legend.

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"The US will be the laughingstock of the world if Oboma is elected."

Yup, there goes all the clout that we currently have.

*sigh* How can there be such an intelligence gap between members of the same species?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, since I don't want the Clintons back in the White House, I hope it is a question that the superdelegates ignore ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has put together an extremely valuable database of personal information of his supporters from his web site that can help tap donors, activists, etc for other democratic races so I'm wondering if he used this as clout to help swing the nomination his way."

Yeah, I've heard that too. There might be truth to it. I don't know. Personally, I think the majority of the superdelegates just went for the guy with the lead. I think the lead was substantial enough to justify doing this. Clinton can say all she wants about electability, but she wasn't more electable than Obama in the primaries.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

TIME AGAIN FOR SUPERS TO BE THINKING ABOUT HILLARY?

(Note: the following column was posted here in a shorter form two weeks ago. The complete version is being reposted in light of Hillary Clinton's public re-entrance into the presidential race -- ostensibly as a campaigner for Barack Obama, but, in the opinion of many, also as her own "stalking horse.")

A new Washington Post/Wall Street Journal poll focuses on the other race for the White House -- the contest to become the nation's First Lady. While it's true that a vote for a presidential candidate is not necessarily reflective of the voter's opinion of his spouse, it's a leading indicator nonetheless. And the poll does not seem to auger well for Barack Obama.

Among those polled in four key states who had an opinion on the subject, Cindy McCain's "favorables" outstripped Michelle Obama by about a 3-to-1 margin -- this, despite Cindy's past problems with prescription drug addiction, and charges stemming from the theft of medications from a charity sponsored by her foundation. The poll didn't specifically ask about voter reaction to the recent cartoon cover of the New Yorker magazine depicting Michelle, a Yale law graduate with no record of drug use, as a fist-bumping black militant, and her husband as a turban-clad Muslim. The drawing was intended to satirize the bigoted views of the extreme right; but many, including Obama himself, took offense.

Could racism explain the disparate approval ratings of Cindy and Michelle? It's a premise that cannot be ignored. Virulent racism remains a great stain on the Republic. The poll seems to portend that Cindy McCain's foibles and shortcomings will be excused in voter evaluation of her suitability to become First Lady, while Michelle Obama's race will not. Those who would diss Michelle while refusing to disapprove of Cindy's past probably would not vote for Obama in any event; but it's an indication of how racial perceptions may color the final vote count.

To conclude that the vote for president will be decided solely on racial grounds would be to insult the character and intelligence of the American electorate -- how else to explain Obama's presumptive nomination as the Democratic candidate? But the First Lady polling once again demonstrates the pervasive role that race and racial stereotypes still plays in our supposedly enlightened society.

That is why some political observers believe that to win, Obama must follow in the measured footsteps of another African-American pioneer, Jackie Robinson: to succeed, project a perfect balance of talent, determination, humility and pride.

No one questions Obama's talent, determination and self-confidence; where he falls short of the ideal is in the humility department. The obvious, some would say overdone, stagecraft involved in his foreign tour is but the latest example of a campaign that too often has taken on the imperial airs of a cult of personality. It too closely follows a disturbing narrative that Obama cannot seem to shake: the notion that he's arrogant, effete and presumptuous to a fault -- especially for a candidate with only three years' experience on the national scene.

In this upcoming election, experience still matters -- despite the conventional wisdom that Hillary Clinton's failure to secure the nomination in the primaries indicates otherwise. It is still likely that this election ultimately will turn on the experience question:

Which candidate has the experience, values, and judgment to become the next president?

Neither candidate scores particularly well among those criteria. McCain's increasingly apparent memory problems and his verbal gaffes have raised new concerns about his age and agility. But McCain's many years in Congress and the automatic respect he engenders as a former P.O.W. probably give him the edge with typical (read: white suburban/rural) voters.

And, of course, McCain gets the racist vote by simply showing up.

If "judgment to lead," as Obama's slogan puts it, trumps experience among the electorate's major criteria for choosing the next president, it still will be close. If voters prefer the"safe" candidate, they probably will go for McCain -- unless Obama brings along an experienced, well-known and respected vice presidential candidate who would serve in the role as trusted advisor and mentor.

If Obama seals the nomination, the only candidate on the horizon that fits that bill is Chris Dodd. The animus among Obama, Hillary and Bill would seem to render Hillary an unwise v.p. choice.

But Hillary would be my pick as the Democratic presidential nominee most likely to defeat McCain -- a belief cemented recently by Obama's retreat from core principles: his acquiescence to the FISA wiretapping/telecom immunity bill, the Supreme Court decision barring handgun regulation in D.C., and the court's expansion of application of the death penalty. Throw in his pandering on church-state issues and some recent nuances on the Mideast, and he becomes even less convincing as the candidate of "change."

If the GOP is able to paint Obama's foreign jaunt as a presumptuous and self-absorbed excerise in hubris as opposed to a true fact-finding mission, Democratic superdelegates may be left to wonder: Are we really going into the general with our strongest candidate?

A disavowal of their endorsement of Obama by black leaders such as Jesse Jackson, Sheila Jackson Lee, Bob Johnson of BET could presage an announcement by Hillary Clinton that she, too, is withdrawing her endorsement of Obama, and has decided to challenge him at the convention for the nomination.

This is the secret, unspoken hope of millions of frustrated and concerned Democrats.

These skeptical Hillaryites -- some may view them as less cynical than realistic -- do not dislike Obama. But they believe that his persist demonstrations of hubris and elitism; his vacillation on some key issues; the disillusionment among some core supporters; all that, coupled with manifestations of endemic racism among segments of the electorate, could thwart his "improbable journey" to the White House.

And such skepticism over Obama's chances comes in a year that by all measures should favor the Democrats, given the sagging economy and dissatisfaction with the current Republican administration.

This is the uncomfortable realpolitik that starry-eyed pundits choose to ignore.

The question is: Is it a question that the superdelegates can afford to ignore?


WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? NOT WHEN
GOVT-SUPPORTED 'VIGILANTE JUSTICE' SQUADS
ARE TARGETING AMERICANS OUTSIDE OF THE LAW:


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vigilante-injustice-organized-gang-stalking-american-gestapo-are-they-doing-hi-tech-torture?
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

Posted by: scrivener | August 7, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

cw:

I don't recall many of those 200,000 Berliners "laughing" at Obama. What's your excuse for that?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I am:

So, who are you voting for then?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The US will be the laughingstock of the world if Oboma is elected. I'm sure that some of the background baggage will probably make him impeachable within months. You would think the DNC would have been more careful of their selection. Ordinary citizens can see through his facade to the dirt underneath while Dean and Pelose are in love with him. Our currency is in the tank under a Congress with a Democratic leadership. Housing, credit, and gas prices are also grave concerns. Illegal immigrants and corrupt public officials are also draining funds needed to provide for our citizenry. Money has been used to bribe Super Delegates and several primaries are suspect due to voter fraud. What a mess!

Posted by: cw | August 7, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

ordinary,


I appeal to emotion.....

I do not let facts cloud my judgement,

I pick my candidate not on ability but on how much


I have been trained by the unrelentingly stupid....

for I am a sheeple, do not talk sense to me and ask me to understand....

give me only the choice between


uglee and pretty

all else is insignificant, for I am American and fat and stupid


now homeless and jobless, because I have been trained to "not think" or examine....

have your way with me slime lords let me smell your slithey toathes brillig

FOAD and for I am the Jabberwockie and you shall fear me

But 'Oles

.

Posted by: I am | August 7, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 7, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

The latest BO long list indicates HRC is, well, not on the long list at all. Does this mean BO thinks her support is less than sincere? Naaaah. Historically, pretty much everyone makes the long list so this is a big first. We will doublecheck our sources, though. An excerpt from the list follows:
1. Claire McCaskill
2. Tim Kaine
*****************
281,421,899. Ronald "Ron" Artest
281,421,900. Dwayne "Dog" Chapman
281,421,901. Al Cowlings
281,421,902. Kwame Kilpatrick
281,421,903. Mrs. Billie Jean King
281,421,904. Scott Peterson
281,421,905. Sheila Jackson-Lee
281,421,906. Tiffany "New York" Pollard

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 7, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

DEM now IND:

Thank you for putting country above party : )

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Anybody that sits for 20 YEARS and listens to G D America has no business being a candidate for the American President! I cringe everytime Obama, NOW THAT HE WANTS MY VOTE, says God Bless America. 6 months or 20 YEARS?? Easy choice! NO OBAMA!

Posted by: DEM now IND | August 7, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

angriestdogintheworld:

Careful, or that will end up in the latest "Obama is the Anti-Christ" ad ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I see

you all excited to see me...


you still stupid....


do dere.

Posted by: oh | August 7, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I will not answer you as it's not in my best interests to verif y your sense of having been wronged...


I fee l that your mother must have felt that weigh when she became pregnant with your tiny body...


.

Posted by: desist in your stupidity | August 7, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

FUTURE NEWS SYNDICATE

Lost Tribe Of Hillary Holdouts Found

- BREAKING NEWS -

The first contact in several years with remnants of a holdout band of Hillary Clinton supporters took place yesterday, with a helicopter flyover identifying the handful of survivors. Unwilling to concede that the 2008 Democratic presidential primary had been fairly conducted, the hardy but dwindling tribe became increasingly isolated during the Obama/Leahy administrations, eschewing television and rumored to be surviving only on moss, pant suit juice and the occasional squirrel.

Following the merger of the Republican and Democratic Parties and repeal of the 22nd Amendment in 2015 which allowed Beloved Leader Obama’s election to a third term by an unprecedented Electoral College vote of 538 – 0, the tribe disappeared and has not been heard from for several years. Until this sighting, the continued existence of the “Hillarians” was doubted and their story had passed into the realm of urban legend.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 7, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

... REGARDING WHY ARE WE IN AFGHANISTAN? .... The pre-planned attack on Afghanistan, as we have seen, was meant to nullify the contract between the Taliban and the Bridas Corporation, to assure access to the Caspian Basin riches for American oil companies. It was a pure play of international energy policy.

It had nothing to do, as designed, with apprehending Osama bin Laden--a pure play of security policy.[...]On October 7, 2001 the carpet of bombs is unleashed over Afghanistan.

Hamid Karzai, the former Unocal/CHEVRON consultant, is installed as head of an interim government. Subsequently he is elected President of Afghanistan, and welcomes the first U.S. envoy--Mr. John J. Maresca, Vice President for International Relations of the Unocal Corporation, who had implored Congress three years previously to have the Taliban overthrown.

Mr. Maresca was succeeded by Mr. Zalmay Khalilzad--also a former Unocal/CHEVRON consultant. Mr. Khalilzad has since become Ambassador to Iraq. With the Taliban banished and the Bridas contract moot, Presidents Karzai of Afghanistan and Musharraf of Pakistan meet on February 8, 2002, sign an agreement for a new pipeline, and the way forward is open for Unocal/CHEVRON once more. [ Mr. Khalilzad has since become Ambassador to the United Nations.] replacing Bolton of JINSA/AEI fame...

search on PNAC JINSA Douglas Feith Perle and see who else is backing bush...

further on, read this closely...


it has to do with money and OIL PROFITEERING AS WELL AS USING THE UNITED STATES MILITARY FOR PERSONAL PROFIT.... Hamid Karzai, the former Unocal/CHEVRON consultant, is installed as head of an interim government. Subsequently he is elected President of Afghanistan, and welcomes the first U.S. envoy--Mr. John J. Maresca, Vice President for International Relations of the Unocal Corporation, who had implored Congress three years previously to have the Taliban overthrown. Mr. Maresca was succeeded by Mr. Zalmay Khalilzad--also a former Unocal consultant. Mr. Khalilzad has since become Ambassador to Iraq. UNOCAL IS CHEVRON... CHEVRON HAD CHENEY CUT THE PIPELINE DEAL A FEW MONTHS AGO W/IRAQ AND PAKISTAN, CONDO SLEAZY represents BIG OIL, IS A FORMER CHEVRON BOARD OF DIRECTORS for 10 years before joining


bushCO & CRONYs...

your team spending AMERICA's money on themselves...as AMERICA's infrastructure takes a NOSE DIVE...

skin them alive, metaphorically of course...

your boy, george w. small beans is fraud in chief...

liar daddys boy with no competence and no skillset...

that is why rather than negotiating for the oil , he's stealing it....

or rather he is using taxpayer dollars and lives to pay for it... it costs him _NOTHING_ ....

Posted by: OMG he's back....and he's still smarter than we are~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? | August 7, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

hey O bama:

DA = District Attorney?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to AsperGirl:

We don't need a moderator, but who do we report technical difficulties to? I still can post on "The Trail" -- the Comment Box is not even there -- have you tried since the re-boot?

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

next time don't send a fat DA

to do your work. You want to know what to do?


ask me.........don't be such a wuss wuss

little boy.


.

Posted by: hey O bama | August 7, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

and innuendo,


w/o that there wouldn't be a rape the public because we can party....

what have they produced this year????

a coverup for their plundering of AMERICA ???


what do they stand for? greed and corruption....un remitting


Kerry took a dive and he's backing O bah man...


figure it out little dummies...


.

Posted by: lies | August 7, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I dislike Raid for HRC Harpies. Raid weighs down my leather wings and smells bad. I like HRC because she is as irrational and narcissistic as we are. Plus HRC always bites through the netting that the good guys try to put over us from time to time. Go Hillary. It's late now. I have to go back to the cave.

Posted by: Head HRC Harpie | August 7, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

what .....and then dump a load of lies


ala Goebbels...

oh yeah, they got your back O bah man...


dey got your 20 acres and a mule too...

and those small pox infected blankets that they gave to the Indians to keep them warm, they got some of them saved up for you too...


.....


SEARCH on GOEBBELS, Karl ROVE

get to know the style of your posters....


most assuredly, a lie repeated often enough here


becomes truth, because most of you have the attention span of a fruit fly...

.

Posted by: despite | August 7, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Raid for HRC Harpies:

"Personal destruction"?! Come on! You are aware that Bill Clinton said: "He clearly can inspire and motivate people and energize them which is a very important part of being president. And he's smart as a whip so there's nothing he can't learn" right? The One seems to disagree with your assessment, especially since he was able to speak with Bill personally: "spoke with President Clinton this week. "He was very supportive. I thought he showed extraordinary restraint in a fairly provocative interview while he was on his trip."

Posted by: JakeD | August 7, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

takes a "principaled stand"


if that like resting his hands on Liberties bottom


as he tells another lie?

Posted by: McCain | August 7, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Despite what is coming from HRC's lips publicly, the mainstream media reports HRC is hardly "supporting" BO, quite the contrary. She and her husband continue to tell folks privately BO can't win [you know, b/c he's black] and the husband recently refused to say that BO was qualified to be President beyond meeting the minimal condition that he be 35 years old and born in the US. Both reportedly are feverishly rooting against BO.
Most alarmingly, HRC has encouraged her swarm of unhinged, foul-mouthed, bigoted harpies to "enshrine a whine" at the convention, as Maureen Dowd of the NY Times put it, by forcing some mention of her totally idiotic claim of sexism into the convention platform. HRC also has prodded these mentals to have her name placed in nomination b/c, who knows, "stuff" might happen to BO and then HRc van step in. Ugh. What kind of junk is that? In what has been a brilliant campaign so far, the one major mistake BO made was to reach out to HRC (offering to pay down her campaign debt, etc), instead of gunning his motor and putting her in the rear view mirror. HRC and the harpies were bad when times were good, as they used to say....How can anyone expect BO to consider someone as his veep who continues to work 24/7 for his personal destruction? Pray for BO.

Posted by: Raid for HRC Harpies | August 7, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

overhaul of the Fix blog didn't include the addition of people with a brain posting....


neh!?

Posted by: guess the | August 7, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

George W. 'Lips' Bush : First Gay US President?

Oddly enough the fake reporter/ male prostitute Jeff Gannon was also named "Bulldog" on his gay sex sites like HotMilitaryStud.com, MilitaryEscorts.com and MilitaryEscortsm4m.com.

note that Bush has other gay nicknames for White House familiars --

* 'Turdblossom' for gay puppeteer Karl Rove.

* 'Pooty Poot' for Vladimir Putin, Russian President and Commie KGB chief.

* 'Mr. Big O' for lispy treasury secretary Paul O'Neill, ex-CEO of ALCOA Corporation in Alcoa, Tennessee.

* 'Sally Suck-em-silly' for the late David Lewis

Kiity Kelley writes that "George earned the nickname 'Lips Bush' for his skill at giving blow jobs to his fraternity buddies."

Lee, in George Bush's GayGate, writes -- "Why is Bush so hostile to the idea of gay marriage? Perhaps because until 1987, George W. Bush was gay.

"According to a group of 29 Yale classmates who comprise Gay Ivy Leaguers for Truth, Bush was 'known to be at least sexually experimental throughout his time in college.'

"One of Bush's alleged former boyfriends, Anthony Berusca (Class of '70), told The Dallas Morning News that Bush was 'deeply conflicted about being gay, even somewhat self-hating.'

"Berusca is convinced that this conflict led to Bush's drinking problems, but describes the President as a 'gentle, caring lover.'

"In 1986, the Bush family arranged for George to join Worthy Creations, a church group in El Paso that focuses on converting homosexuals through faith.

"A year later, Bush claimed to be straight, born again, and engaged to Laura Welch (Kitty Kelly in "The Family" wrote that Bush's twin daughters were not his offspring, but from a donor at a fertility clinic).

And what is Skull and Bones? The Power Elite networks of the Order of Skull and Bones and its influence in politics, government, education and business was researched and analyzed by the late historian Antony C. Sutton in his ground-breaking book "America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones" (TrineDay.com)

Confession and blackmail are part of the rites of initiation for the Order, as new members must divulge their sexual histories to other Bonesmen, so they will always be compliant in the future.

Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts and former President George Herbert Walker Bush are also members of the Order of Skull and Bones.

It was noted that Kerry, allegedly running against fellow Bonesman George Bush Jr. in the 2004 election, rolled over and played dead during most of his "campaign."

The admission of fake reporter/ male prostitute Jeff Gannon (aka James Guckert) to the White House and his unexplained sleepovers have added more evidence to a Gay White House with wags now claiming that GOP stands for 'Gay Old Party.'

After all, even


Republican National Committee chair Ken Mehlman is gay.

So when will George Bush come out of the closet?

Don't hold your breath...


Posted by: get real get even... | August 7, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Guess the overhaul of the Fix blog doesn't include a moderator...

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

is a clueless little bobble head....


the only problem is he used to be a man...

I don't like hurting him, but he's a hoor


and he's not turning tricks for America....


where's the contingency plan, that should have been in place for invading the middle east.....to protect the US from rising OIL PRICES....

there wasn't one????


what does that mean?


it means BushCO and CRONYs wanted a good price for their stolen goods....

AMERICANS paid for those goods....

did AMERICANS get a share?


does either O bah man or Mc CurdledMan tell you that ????


nope O bah man, don't know


and Mc Cain is one of them....


SEARCH on Keating 5, McCain, Silverado, George H.W. Bush

Search on George H.W. Bush, cocaine, Gary Webb, Parry

you bunch of sorry DA esses


.

Posted by: McCain | August 7, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Bill is at the podium with Monica at his side. HRC is in the audience, passing out cigars. Bill breaks out into his theme song, "Ho'Ho' the parakeets next......" The music rises to a crescendo....then from stage left inters SUPER SENATOR, John McCain with Cindy on his arm. Bill's eyes can't get past her chest and remarks' "Cindy you've got t*ts"...Monica's elbo jabs Billy in the ribs. Bill Says, "sorry, honey". Did I mention HRC is in the audience passing out cigars..........?

Posted by: cameltoe | August 7, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"spam" mean????

it means you're a bunch of ignorant beauty contest promoters that shouldn't have a job at all.........


Afghani HEROIN accounts for 95PERCENT of the worlds HEROIN, and the CIA gets a cut of that...

Blackwater is associated with those activities as well, KBR aka Halliburton has been associated with Heroin smuggling since the Vietnam war...


800 BILLION DOLLARS in unrecorded profits for turning Afghanistan into a NARCO state...


what's that got to do with an election???


I don't know

but you should, that is unless you're getting a cut of it.....


it's called the thing behind the curtain that is driving the conflict, that and Chevrons contract with Exxon Mobil to complete the TransAfghani Pipeline...


but you all are on top of that right???


you are crooks and shamelessly incompetent fools pretending to


"know the game,"


the only game you know is the same one George "Lips" Bush knows....


going down on your knees and sucking...


wanna dance???

Posted by: so what does the | August 7, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"Can anyone think of ONE policy reason that would make a Clinton supporter switch over to McCain?"

McCain blows away Obama on energy policy. Obama's energy policy is horrific, full of the worst possible and most gimmicky programs. And no, I don't want to debate that. I follow the energy markets and have a very definite opinion. What you read in the MSM about Obama's and McCain's respective energy plans is sheer propaganda.

I mean, the Obama supporters who talk about the attitudes of Clinton supporters seem to have not listened to any of our arguments or reasons. The reason for supporting Clinton was not primarily that she was a woman, but a highly qualified, prepared politician. Obama's really inadequate and unacceptable. He's bad, really bad.

Okay, here's a blurb I've written up and posted here and there. I really object to Obama's stiff support for the corn ethanol biofuels subsidies and federal mandates. It's a heinous program that has been denounced by energy analysis and economists and even the EPA is considering intervening to shut it down. But Obama's all for it. It's why he won Iowa.

WHAT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU ABOUT OBAMA'S ENERGY PLAN

The U.S. corn ethanol biofuels program is pure evil, pure pork, and pure corrupt politics picking taxpayers pockets for no good public benefit, and Obama is all for it because it pays big $$ in subsidies to Illinois farmers.

Groups tracking world hunger spikes and food inflation problems this year are blaming the U.S. corn ethanol program for diverting farmers from growing food into growing fuel. Global warming advocates point out that it takes more carbon, overall, to produce, distill, refine and burn corn ethanol biofuels than regular oil or natural gas. Making ethanol from corn is so inefficient that we can never use it for energy independence; we already use 25% of our national corn crop for ethanol. Finally, it costs more to use gas blended with ethanol as cars get markedly fewer miles per gallon than they do with regular 100% gas, but you pay as much at the pump for the ethanol blended gas. Motorists who know what they are doing seek out 100%, no-ethanol blend gas stations, even.

The corn ethanol biofuels program solves no problems, creates food inflation, and it's a ripoff. From one pocket, the taxpayer pays massive subsidies to corn ethanol growers in farm states, while from the other pocket we pay higher prices at the grocery store for food as a result of the biofuels-caused food inflation. Meanwhile we get poorer gas mileage from ethanol blends while paying the same prices as we pay at stations that sell 100% gas.

We could solve a big chunk of our crippling economic problems this year if we do away with the corn ethanol biofuels program because of the big role that program plays in the inflation side of this years' problems.

From 2006 to 2007, 15 million new acres of corn were brought into production in the United States, contributing to the depletion of fresh water supplies and adding to agrochemical runoff from the country’s corn belt that has already created an enormous dead zone where the Mississippi River enters the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf of Mexico is an ecologically important zone; for example, serving as the breeding ground for many Atlantic species, like dolphins. The dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, caused by agricultural, sewage and industrial runoff, is expected to grow just as the Environmental Protection Agency is considering a petition to waive the federal ethanol mandate in the 2007 energy bill. The EPA could intervene in the federal ethanol mandate on account of how destructive the corn ethanol programs have been environmentally.

Obama is all for corn ethanol subsidies programs and has been a staunch supporter of them. Illinois is the second largest recipient of corn ethanol farming subsidies. Obama supports corn ethanol even as there are food riots in Southeast Asia and a price-caused famine in Africa where people are starving due to world price spikes in grain.

Why doesn't the mainstream media discuss Obama's striking support for corn ethanol biofuels, which has been denounced by energy experts and economists alike, in covering the candidates' energy stands? In fact, it seems that mainstream media has stopped covering how bad and damaging the corn ethanol biofuels program is, ever since Obama's strong support for it has emerged. How biased and low the media will sink, to promote Barack Obama and ignore his flaws?

John McCain, by the way, has taking a principled stand against the corn ethanol biofuels program, even though it cost him votes in Iowa. On the other hand, Obama snagged his widely-acclaimed Iowa caucus on the back of his unscrupulous corn ethanol support.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Good luck to the sane people on the thread. There are some interesting people posting lol. To the Obama supporters I hope you actually analyze your candidate and don't blindly follow his words.

Although I don't like Hillary I could have lived with her becoming president. Obama as in his own words doesn't have the experience (he said himself he wouldn't run in 2008 because he wouldn't have the experience) and the limited experience and judgement we can attribute to him seem very poor. Please do you candidate a favor and don't try throwing racism behind every reason why someone does not like him. It will have the opposite effect as intended.

Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Robert M. Gates, Mike McConnel, Weinberger, Poindexter, Blackwater, Cheney, Karl Rove, George "Lips" Bush and his are trying to cut a deal so that they don't lose everything...


and moreso so that they don't do time...

aint' gonna work boyz and girls, you will have lawsuits filed against you personally....and lose what you stole...


any day now....


to the Hague boyz to the Hague.....


feel the noose tightening???? nothing like the clean snap of sisal


against a fat head....


Karl on a string....pedophile in motion...


.

Posted by: so what's going on | August 7, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

would think that the rape the public because we cans....


would like anyone but Hillary and Bill having a say...


because no one else really understands the situation...


wouldn't you say so .....

lit'l propagandists????

I mean the Democrats have been wildly successful at holding the Presidential office since the 50's right...


if anyone should be ashamed it would be the anti Americans who fart in the campaign room and point at Hillary and Bill...


you should be sued into oblivion, lies used to sell a product are fraud...


you unnerstan little chitlins???


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Posted by: I | August 7, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The 8-years of the Clinton presidency saw the elimination of the budget deficit and the USA's positive engagement in world events with resulting world respect for our country. All of that came to an abrupt end with the disastrous Bushies. Millions of Americans voted for Senator Clinton who has proved to be a real team player in the Senate and well before that. I fail to understand why people cannot disagree with her without feeling the need to be so disagreeable, so disrespectful, and so mysoginistic. Heifers, indeed! So much woman hating this year! So many insecure males and so many conplicit females united against a strong woman -- what a threat!! The Obama campaign needs to accept the blame for much of this because of their own poor example. Because he has not reached out to Clinton as a true partner in his quest to take back the White House, he has lost my respect and my vote. As a long time Dem, I too will sit out this presidential election. Obama is a shallow, egotistical figure who happens to be charismatic and eloquent. It's sad -- I think there will be many of us who just cannot bring ourselves to vote for him. This should have been the year the Dems took back the White House. Hopefully, we will have a veto-prove House and Senate. Hopefully, those who cannot bring themselves to vote for him will vote Dem down the rest of the ballot.

Posted by: Evelyn | August 7, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Either way, she is risking a major public humiliation and no one likes that. Her and her husband are becoming a public joke. You can't go by what you read here most people who write here are political fanatics. In the real world, Bill & Hillary Clinton are considered a joke.
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"Her husband has destroyed his legacy and Hillary will be risking the same thing."

Actually the DNC and Obama destroyed his legacy. As a moderate who votes republican more than democrat I think its really funny.

All the things the MSM covered up about Clinton by inundating everyone with the sex scandal portion of it are now spouted by Obama supporters who before thought it was a "republican conspiracy." Gotta love it.

Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008 6:24 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Oops sorry ddawd. Mispelling wasn't intentional. Pretty funny I knocked apparently cyros for mispelling my name and I mispelled yours in the same post. I'm on a roll ;)

Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah true DDWAD. This does give Hillary less clout but I found something awhile back I think trumps the voter clout.

Obama has put together an extremely valuable database of personal information of his supporters from his web site that can help tap donors, activists, etc for other democratic races so I'm wondering if he used this as clout to help swing the nomination his way. It's estimated value was $200 million several months ago which I'm sure has grown substantially.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aW_Qty8aiVTo&refer=us

I have to admit I don't like Hillary as I had major issues with her husband as president (in my book the last 16 years have not been good for the presidency) but I understand why Hillary supporters would be upset. In my opinion a balance of republicans and democrats is needed so a McCain white house with democratic congress might be an ok balance. McCain is conservative in some ways but in some ways he is not so is not the worst republicans for people that lean more heavily democratic.

Apparently; you might want to first spell my name right. I wish I got paid for my opinion I think that would be pretty sweet.

Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"This is mostly because the 80-90% vote along party lines. This would probably be similar to republican numbers who would vote along party lines. The other 10-20% probably have more concrete reasons why they voted for a specific candidate. The democrats and republicans strategies of divide and conquer work pretty well considering so many people vote along party lines."

Yeah, I agree. The point is that Clinton doesn't have sway over 18 million voters. At most, it's four.

And if you account for the fact that some of those 10-20% would never vote for Obama, her sway is even less than that.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

doesn't have a brain, or an opinion that someone isn't paying Cyros to have...

apparently....FOAD Cyros..

Posted by: apparently Cyros | August 7, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"That would have been a George Carlin quote..."

Um, yeah...THAT was the big mistake in your post...

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the post bans IPs who sit there and spam whole news articles with no point to them. I'm not going to bother reading someone's copy and paste of a whole article and it makes reading the non-spammed messages more difficult.

Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"Unfortunately for her, it seems like 80-90% of them are behind Obama now. Now that 10-20% isn't inconsequential, but it puts Clinton in a much weaker position"

This is mostly because the 80-90% vote along party lines. This would probably be similar to republican numbers who would vote along party lines. The other 10-20% probably have more concrete reasons why they voted for a specific candidate. The democrats and republicans strategies of divide and conquer work pretty well considering so many people vote along party lines.

Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Cocaine pipeline financed rebels
Evidence points to CIA knowing of high-volume drug network

by Gary Webb
San Jose Mercury News


For the better part of a decade, a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to an arm of the contra guerrillas of Nicaragua run by the Central Intelligence Agency, the San Jose Mercury News has found.


This drug network opened the first pipeline between Colombia's cocaine cartels and the black neighborhoods of Los Angeles, a city now known as the "crack" capital of the world. The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America - and provided the cash and connections needed for L.A.'s gangs to buy weapons.


It is one of the most bizarre alliances in modern history: the union of a U.S.-backed army attempting to overthrow a revolutionary socialist government and the "gangstas" of Compton and South-Central Los Angeles.


The army's financiers - who met with CIA agents before and during the time they were selling the drugs in L.A. - delivered cut-rate cocaine to the gangs through a young South-Central crack dealer named Ricky Donnell Ross.


Unaware of his suppliers' military and political connections, "Freeway Rick" turned the cocaine powder into crack and wholesaled it to gangs across the country.

Drug cash for the contras


Court records show the cash was then used to buy equipment for a guerrilla army named the Fuerza Democratica Nicaraguense (Nicaraguan Democratic Force) or FDN, the largest of several anti-communist groups commonly called the contras.


While the FDN's war is barely a memory today, black America is still dealing with its poisonous side effects. Urban neighborhoods are grappling with legions of homeless crack addicts. Thousands of young black men are serving long prison sentences for selling cocaine - a drug that was virtually unobtainable in black neighborhoods before members of the CIA's army brought it into South-Central in the 1980s at bargain-basement prices.


And the L.A. gangs, which used their enormous cocaine profits to arm themselves and spread crack across the country, are still thriving.


"There is a saying that the ends justify the means," former FDN leader and drug dealer Oscar Danilo Blandon Reyes testified during a recent cocaine-trafficking trial in San Diego. "And that's what Mr. Bermudez (the CIA agent who commanded the FDN) told us in Honduras, OK? So we started raising money for the contra revolution."


Recently declassified reports, federal court testimony, undercover tapes, court records here and abroad and hundreds of hours of interviews over the past 12 months leave no doubt that Blandon was no ordinary drug dealer.


Shortly before Blandon - who had been the drug ring's Southern California distributor - took the stand in San Diego as a witness for the U.S. Department of Justice, federal prosecutors obtained a court order preventing defense lawyers from delving into his ties to the CIA.


Blandon, one of the FDN's founders in California, "will admit that he was a large-scale dealer in cocaine, and there is no additional benefit to any defendant to inquire as to the Central Intelligence Agency," Assistant U.S. Attorney L.J. O'Neale argued in his motion shortly before Ross' trial on cocaine-trafficking charges in March.


The 5,000-man FDN, records show, was created in mid-1981 when the CIA combined several existing groups of anti-communist exiles into a unified force it hoped would topple the new socialist government of Nicaragua.

Waged a losing war


From 1982 to 1988, the FDN - run by both American and Nicaraguan CIA agents - waged a losing war against Nicaragua's Sandinista government, the Cuban-supported socialists who'd overthrown U.S.-backed dictator Anastasio Somoza in 1979.


Blandon, who began working for the FDN's drug operation in late 1981, testified that the drug ring sold almost a ton of cocaine in the United States that year - $54 million worth at prevailing wholesale prices. It was not clear how much of the money found its way back to the CIA's army, but Blandon testified that "whatever we were running in L.A., the profit was going for the contra revolution."


At the time of that testimony, Blandon was a full-time informant for the Drug Enforcement Administration, a job the U.S. Department of Justice got him after releasing him from prison in 1994.


Though Blandon admitted to crimes that have sent others away for life, the Justice Department turned him loose on unsupervised probation after only 28 months behind bars and has paid him more than $166,000 since, court records show.


"He has been extraordinarily helpful," federal prosecutor O'Neale told Blandon's judge in a plea for the trafficker's release in 1994. Though O'Neale once described Blandon to a grand jury as "the biggest Nicaraguan cocaine dealer in the United States," the prosecutor would not discuss him with the Mercury News.


Blandon's boss in the FDN's cocaine operation, Juan Norwin Meneses Cantarero, has never spent a day in a U.S. prison, even though the federal government has been aware of his cocaine dealings since at least 1974, records show.


Meneses - who ran the drug ring from his homes in the Bay Area - is listed in the DEA's computers as a major international drug smuggler and was implicated in 45 separate federal investigations. Yet he and his cocaine-dealing relatives lived quite openly in the Bay Area for years, buying homes, bars, restaurants, car lots and factories.


"I even drove my own cars, registered in my name," Meneses said during a recent interview in Nicaragua.


Meneses' organization was "the target of unsuccessful investigative attempts for many years," O'Neale acknowledged in a 1994 affidavit. But records and interviews revealed that a number of those probes were stymied not by the elusive Meneses but by agencies of the U.S. government.

CIA hampered probes


Agents from four organizations - the DEA, U.S. Customs, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and the California Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement - have complained that investigations were hampered by the CIA or unnamed "national-security" interests.


One 1988 investigation by a U.S. Senate subcommittee ran into a wall of official secrecy at the Justice Department.


In that case, congressional records show, Senate investigators were trying to determine why the U.S. attorney in San Francisco, Joseph Russoniello, had given $36,000 back to a Nicaraguan cocaine dealer arrested by the FBI.


The money was returned, court records show, after two contra leaders sent letters to the court swearing that the drug dealer had been given the cash to buy weapons for guerrillas.


After Nicaraguan police arrested Meneses on cocaine charges in Managua in 1991, his judge expressed astonishment that the infamous smuggler went unmolested by American drug agents during his years in the United States.


His seeming invulnerability amazed American authorities as well.


A Customs agent who investigated Meneses in 1980 before transferring elsewhere said he was reassigned to San Francisco seven years later "and I was sitting in some meetings and here's Meneses' name again. And I can remember thinking, `Holy cow, is this guy still around?' "


Blandon led an equally charmed life. For at least five years he brokered massive amounts of cocaine to the black gangs of Los Angeles without being arrested. But his luck changed overnight.


On Oct. 27, 1986, agents from the FBI, the IRS, local police and the Los Angeles County sheriff fanned out across Southern California and raided more than a dozen locations connected to Blandon's cocaine operation. Blandon and his wife, along with numerous Nicaraguan associates, were arrested on drug and weapons charges.


The search-warrant affidavit reveals that local drug agents knew plenty about Blandon's involvement with cocaine and the CIA's army nearly 10 years ago.


"Danilo Blandon is in charge of a sophisticated cocaine smuggling and distribution organization operating in Southern California," L.A. County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Gordon said in the 1986 affidavit. "The monies gained from the sales of cocaine are transported to Florida and laundered through Orlando Murillo, who is a high-ranking officer of a chain of banks in Florida named Government Securities Corporation. From this bank the monies are filtered to the contra rebels to buy arms in the war in Nicaragua."

Raids a spectacular failure


Despite their intimate knowledge of Blandon's operations, the police raids were a spectacular failure. Every location had been cleaned of anything remotely incriminating. No one was ever prosecuted.


Ron Spear, a spokesman for Los Angeles County Sheriff Sherman Block, said Blandon somehow knew that he was under police surveillance.


FBI records show that soon after the raids, Blandon's defense attorney, Bradley Brunon, called the sheriff's department to suggest that his client's troubles stemmed from a most unlikely source: a recent congressional vote authorizing $100 million in military aid to the contras.


According to a December 1986 FBI teletype, Brunon told the officers that the "CIA winked at this sort of thing. . . . (Brunon) indicated that now that U.S. Congress had voted funds for the Nicaraguan contra movement, U.S. government now appears to be turning against organizations like this."


That FBI report, part of the files of former Iran-contra special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, was made public only last year, when it was released by the National Archives at the San Jose Mercury News' request.


Blandon has also implied that his cocaine sales were, for a time, CIA-approved. He told a San Francisco federal grand jury in 1994 that once the FDN began receiving American taxpayer dollars, the CIA no longer needed his kind of help.


None of the government agencies known to have been involved with Meneses and Blandon would provide the Mercury News with any information about them, despite Freedom of Information Act requests.


Blandon's lawyer, Brunon, said in an interview that his client never told him directly that he was selling cocaine for the CIA, but the prominent Los Angeles defense attorney drew his own conclusions from the "atmosphere of CIA and clandestine activities" that surrounded Blandon and his Nicaraguan friends.


"Was he involved with the CIA? Probably. Was he involved with drugs? Most definitely," Brunon said. "Were those two things involved with each other? They've never said that, obviously. They've never admitted that. But I don't know where these guys get these big aircraft."


That very topic arose during the sensational 1992 cocaine-trafficking trial of Meneses after he was arrested in Nicaragua in connection with a staggering 750-kilo shipment of cocaine. His chief accuser was his friend Enrique Miranda, a relative and former Nicaraguan military intelligence officer who had been Meneses' emissary to the cocaine cartel of Bogota, Colombia. Miranda pleaded guilty to drug charges and agreed to cooperate in exchange for a seven-year sentence.


In a long, handwritten statement he read to Meneses' jury, Miranda revealed the deepest secrets of the Meneses drug ring, earning his old boss a 30-year prison sentence in the process.


"He (Norwin) and his brother Luis Enrique had financed the contra revolution with the benefits of the cocaine they sold," Miranda wrote. "This operation, as Norwin told me, was executed with the collaboration of high-ranking Salvadoran military personnel. They met with officials of the Salvadoran air force, who flew (planes) to Colombia and then left for the U.S., bound for an Air Force base in Texas, as he told me."


Meneses - who has close personal and business ties to a Salvadoran air-force commander and former CIA agent named Marcos Aguado - declined to discuss Miranda's statements during an interview at a prison outside Managua in January. He is scheduled to be paroled this summer, after nearly five years in custody.


U.S. General Accounting Office records confirm that El Salvador's air force was supplying the CIA's Nicaraguan guerrillas with aircraft and flight support services throughout the mid-1980s.

Posted by: oy veh little weeners... | August 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

That would have been a George Carlin quote...

Posted by: Susan Powers | August 7, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"don't do to MyDD and expect their pretty graph to be impartial."

Realclear politics has a tossup category which includes states in which the difference in polling is under 5%. Obama is winning substantially even if you don't include those states. Although he doesn't reach 270, so if McCain were to win all of the tossups, then he wins the election.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I didn't pick Obama as my nominee, the superdelegates picked him. Long live the republic of the good ol US. Oh, that's right, we don't live in the good ol US anymore. We live in communist US where the mass media and the "party" decides who is going to be our leader and if nothing else works then there's the hackable voting machines.
This time I'm not voting and like George Carling said I have the right to complain because I am smart enough to know that my vote doesn't "count".

Posted by: Susan Powers | August 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Heroin production in Afghanistan hit new high last year


AFP, VIENNA
Thursday, Mar 06, 2008, Page 5
Heroin production in Afghanistan reached a new high last year despite global efforts to battle the menace, the UN's International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) said yesterday in its annual report.

The UN agency said Afghanistan produced an "exceptional quantity" of opium, at 8,200 tonnes, 34 percent more than in 2006.

The country now accounts for 93 percent of all opiates on the global market, the report said.

"The illegal cultivation of poppies for opium in Afghanistan ... has reached a deeply worrying level despite the efforts of the [Afghan] government and the help of the international community over the last five years," the Vienna-based organization said.

Poppy production was up 17 percent, covering 193,000 hectares with a corresponding rise in yields from 37kg per hectare to 42.5kg.

Last year's leap came on top of a 59 percent rise in the area given over to the plant over the previous 12 months.

By comparison, only 19,000 hectares were cleared of the flower over the same period, with the INCB stressing that Afghan heroin is distributed worldwide -- reaching an estimated 3.3 million addicts in Europe alone.

In other trends identified, Africa has emerged as a pivotal cocaine-route into Europe -- with the organization citing a "rapid growth in trafficking" amounting to between 200 tonnes and 300 tonnes from Latin America transiting through Africa last year.

Posted by: let me show you the way jose' | August 7, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

“According to Oil and Gas Journal, Western oil companies estimate that they can produce a barrel of Iraqi oil for less than $1.50 and possibly as little as $1…. This is similar to production costs in Saudi Arabia and lower than virtually any other country.”

With the price of a barrel of crude oil today above $64 a barrel, the potential for profits is stupendous and the only question is: Who will pocket them — the oil companies or the Iraqi government — and, if the former, which oil companies those will be? It is not inconceivable that any major oil companies able to claim a large portion of the Iraqi oil spoils could double, triple, or even quintuple their already gigantic global profits.

Under Saddam Hussein, Iraqi oil never fulfilled the potential of even its proven oil fields. A modest goal for the country’s oil industry would have been producing 3.5 million barrels per day, but the temporary disruptions caused by the Iraq-Iran War and the more permanent ones caused by UN sanctions imposed after the Gulf War in 1991 severely limited production. From the late 1990s until the American invasion in 2003, Iraq averaged around 2.5 million barrels per day.

Knowledge of this level of underproduction was certainly one factor in Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz’s pre-war prediction that the administration’s invasion and occupation of Iraq would pay for itself; he hoped for a quick postwar increase in production to 3.5 million barrels per day or, at the $30 per barrel price of oil at that time, close to $40 billion per year in revenues. An expected expansion in production levels (once the oil giants were brought into the mix) to perhaps 6.5 million barrels, through the development of new oil fields or more efficient exploitation of existing fields, had the potential to more than cover the expected American short-term military costs and leave the new Iraqi government flush as well.

This, then, was the allure of melding energy policy and military policy, as Cheney’s energy group and allied administration officials envisioned it.

The Initial Campaign to Capture Iraqi Oil

With all this history, the particular way the U.S. sprang into action as soon as its forces arrived in Baghdad was hardly surprising. While American troops simply stood by as unrestrained looting severely damaged the dawn-of-civilization treasures in the National Museum, compromised the ability of hospitals to deliver health care, and destroyed many government offices, large numbers of American soldiers were deployed to protect the Oil Ministry and its associated holdings. This effort was certainly emblematic of the newly established occupation’s priorities.

Not long after President Bush declared “major combat operations in Iraq have ended” under a “Mission Accomplished” banner on the deck of the aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, Paul Bremer, the new head of the American occupation, promulgated a series of laws designed, among other things, to kick-start the development of Iraqi oil. In addition to attempting to transfer management of existing oil facilities (well heads, refineries, pipelines, and shipping) to multinational corporations, he also set about creating an oil-policy framework, unique in the region, that would allow the major companies to develop the country’s proven reserves and even to begin drilling new wells.

All these plans were, however, quickly frustrated, both by the growing Sunni insurgency and by civil resistance. Iraq’s oil workers quickly unionized — even though Bremer extended Saddam’s prohibition on unions in state-owned companies — and effectively resisted the transfer of management duties to foreign companies. In one noteworthy moment, the oil workers actually refused to take orders from Bechtel officials in the oil hub of Basra, thus preserving their own jobs as well as the right of the Iraqi state-owned Southern Oil Company to continue to control the operation in that region. Bechtel’s management contract was subsequently voided.

At the same time, the growing insurgency, acting on a general Iraqi understanding that a major goal of the occupation was to “steal” Iraqi oil, systematically began to attack the oil pipelines that traveled through the Sunni areas of the country. Within a few months, all oil exports in the northern part of Iraq were interrupted — and the northern export pipelines have remained generally unusable ever since.

To resistance of various sorts must be added the “contribution” of the major American corporations involved in “reconstructing” Iraq, notably Halliburton and Bechtel. These crony corporations, with close ties to the Bush administration, accepted huge fees to rehabilitate dilapidated or damaged oil facilities. Almost without fail, they chose not to repair existing plants locally or to employ the raft of skilled Iraqi technicians who had used remarkable ingenuity in maintaining these facilities during a dozen years of UN sanctions. Working under cost-plus agreements that guaranteed a fixed profit rate no matter how much an operation ultimately cost, they preferred instead to install expensive new proprietary equipment. Then, in the absence of any outside oversight, they ran up huge expenses and frequently failed to complete their contracts, leaving the oil facilities they were servicing in states of disrepair or partial repair — and equipped with technology that local technicians could not service.

Meanwhile, the major oil companies refused Bremer’s invitation to invest their own money in Iraqi projects, pointing out the obvious — that the insurgency and the spreading chaos made such investments unwise. In addition, they were well aware that Bremer’s regime in Baghdad lacked clear authority to sign contracts with them. This, in turn, meant that their investments might be in jeopardy once a legitimate government took power. When technical sovereignty was finally handed over to an appointed Iraqi government headed by the CIA’s favorite Iraqi exile, Iyad Allawi, in June 2004, the new premier embraced Bremer’s policy, but to no avail. The international oil companies were no more impressed with his future than they had been with Bremer’s. Like Wolfowitz, they knew that Iraq “floats on a sea of oil”; unlike him, they were no dreamers. They weren’t willing to risk their capital in the dangerous and legally ambiguous circumstances then prevailing.

As a result, the first two years of Bush administration efforts to “access” Iraqi oil failed — and dismally so at that. Average production never exceeded the bottom-of-the-barrel 2.5 million barrels Saddam’s regime managed to extract on its worst days. By 2006, production had slipped below 2 million barrels per day.

Dealing with the Iraqi Government

It is difficult to judge how much Bremer’s inability to implement the pre-planned oil policy contributed to the Bush administration decision to reverse its plans for Iraqi “democracy” — which, as Juan Cole has pointed out, involved council-based elections, an electorate restricted to a small elite, and Bremer as “a MacArthur in Baghdad for years” — and push for an elected Iraqi government. It certainly is true, however, that this change triggered a campaign aimed at the “capture of new and existing oil and gas fields.”

As soon as the first elections for a temporary Iraqi government were completed in January 2005 American officials in Iraq began lobbying forcefully for adoption of the very policy that the State Department’s pre-invasion Future of Iraq project had drafted. The State Department planners had concluded that Production Sharing Agreements — a method that granted multinational oil companies effective control of oil fields without transferring permanent ownership to them — would be the basic instrument through which a future “independent” Iraq would develop new oil fields. Wary by now of being seen as the chief advocate of this policy, which it so desperately wanted in place, the Bush administration concocted a strategy that would enlist the international community in pressuring Iraq to adopt its program.

This was done by making the International Monetary Fund (IMF) a key player in Iraqi oil policy. Through loans in the 1980s and reparations imposed for his invasion of Kuwait in 1990, Saddam had accumulated $120 billion in external debt, the largest per capita debt in the world and a potentially insurmountable obstacle to economic recovery, even in oil-rich Iraq. One option available to the new government was to declare this debt “odious,” a technical term in international law referring to debt accumulated by authoritarian rulers for their own personal or political aggrandizement.

Saddam’s expansionist war against Iran, his use of public funds to build ostentatious monuments and palaces, his transfer of billions to his personal accounts, and his failure to maintain the infrastructure of the country all were excellent evidence that the debt was indeed odious; and the U.S. claimed as much for almost $40 billion of it, held by 19 industrialized countries known as the Paris Club. Instead of seeking to cancel this debt (and the remaining $80 billion) entirely, however, the Bush administration sent James Baker, former Secretary of State under George H. W. Bush, to the Paris Club to negotiate conditional forgiveness. The resulting agreement immediately forgave $12 billion, but left $28 billion on the books. A second $12 billion would be abrogated when the Iraqi government signed onto “a standard International Monetary Fund program,” and a further $8 billion three years later, after the IMF confirmed Iraqi compliance. Even if “successful,” almost $8 billion would still be outstanding to the Paris Club — together with $80 billion not covered by the agreement.

The “standard International Monetary Fund program,” not surprisingly, included the now familiar American policies regarding Iraqi oil, as well as the use of Profit Sharing Agreements and a host of other provisions that would open the Iraqi economy as a whole, and the oil sector in particular, to investment by multinational corporations. Among the most punitive of the provisions was a demand for an end to the economic breadbasket that guaranteed all Iraqi families low prices for fuel and food staples. In a country with, by 2005, somewhere between 30% and 70% unemployment, average wage levels under $100 per month, and escalating inflation, these Saddam-era subsidies meant the difference between basic subsistence and disaster for a large proportion of Iraqis.

Independent journalists Basav Sen and Hope Chu summarized the new agreement thusly:

“A move that appears on the surface to be beneficial for Iraq — debt cancellation — is being used as a tool of control by the World Bank, the IMF and the wealthy creditor countries. What is more, it is a tool of control that will last long after the withdrawal of U.S. combat forces.”

Zaid Al-Ali, an international lawyer working on development issues in Iraq, described the agreement as a “perfect illustration of how the industrialized world has used debt as a tool to force developing nations to surrender sovereignty over their economies.”

The newly elected Iraqi National Assembly promptly denounced this agreement as “a new crime committed by the creditors who financed Saddam’s oppression.” This forceful expression reflected the opinions of the Assembly’s constituents. After all, 76% of Iraqis believed that the main reason for the Bush administration’s invasion was “to control Iraqi oil.”

Posted by: tickle me... | August 7, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"Can anyone think of ONE policy reason that would make a Clinton supporter switch over to McCain?"

Chicks like a guy in uniform?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Rush's PUMA movement is growing, 18 million strong, It's over when we say it's over, NoBama, the nominee was selected not elected, Just say no deal, go go go, Our voices will be heard, Mr. Empty Suit. Can anyone else think of other mindless slogans/smears they are throwing out? Can anyone think of ONE policy reason that would make a Clinton supporter switch over to McCain?

Posted by: Nathan | August 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Lots of laughs here, and as I see it, there is not actually much true support for Hillary. Most likely it would be best if neither of the Clintons' were permitted being at the convention. They both have too much slime on them selfs, and having disgraced the office of their co-presidency. I don't actually care much for Barrak Obama because I see him more the snake oil salesman than being a benefit. His little speech at Nuremberg totally convinced me the guy is actually a wolf in sheep clothing. I will most likely vote for McCain with hopes his not being able to complete a one term presidency. Of course, regardless this years outcomes as who will be the next president, one certainty is that Hillary will again be running for the presidency again in four short years.

Posted by: Richard | August 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"I think they should stall for more time, watching to see how the numbers move before the convention. If I were them, I'd say I have too much to do back in the home state to help Obama out, but will have time after Congress reconvenes. If his numbers are still hanging on through the convention, then the Clintons follow through on some real help."

Well, the problem is that Clinton runs the risk of becoming irrelevant. She was probably the strongest right after the primaries ended with the force of 18 million voters. Unfortunately for her, it seems like 80-90% of them are behind Obama now. Now that 10-20% isn't inconsequential, but it puts Clinton in a much weaker position. Obama could have made a rash decision based on her 18 million, but played it cool and let her power dissipate. (Obama might come across as idealistic and stuff, but he is a very clever politician.) And remember, her influence over the election expires in November. Time is not on her side.

Each has something that the other wants. Obama wants her supporters. Clinton wants proximity to Obama's influence through the VP or cabinet. However, if Obama gets the sense that he can do this without her help, then she gets nothing.

It depends on what Clinton wants. Does she want Obama to lose so that she can run again in 2012? Then she should sit it out. Does she want to be a VP? Then I say that she should get in and start helping. If poll numbers start rising, she can claim a lot of credit and can really ratchet up the pressure for a juicy political t-bone. If he ends up losing, then I doubt it will hurt her that much.

But if she wants a position in an Obama presidency, she needs to start helping. Obama is not going to offer her anything if he doesn't need her, so she had better not give him time to conclude that he doesn't need her.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

If I could vote. I would vote for the old guy... God bless the U.S.A and bush family for bringing me here...

Posted by: RxR | August 7, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

When American Vice-President Dick Cheney said that the 'war on terrorism' could last for fifty years or more, his words evoked George Orwell's great prophetic work, Nineteen Eighty-Four. We are to live with the threat and illusion of endless war, it seems, in order to justify increased social control and state repression, while great power pursues its goal of global supremacy. Washington is transformed into 'chief city of Airstrip One' and every problem is blamed on the 'enemy', the evil Goldstein, as Orwell called him. He could be Osama bin Laden, or his successors, the 'axis of evil'.

In the novel, three slogans dominate society: war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. Today's slogan, 'war on terrorism', also reverses meaning. The war is terrorism. The most potent weapon in this 'war' is pseudo-information, different only in form from that Orwell described, consigning to oblivion unacceptable truths and historical sense. Dissent is permissible within 'consensual' boundaries, reinforcing the illusion that information and speech are 'free'.

The attacks of September 11, 2001 did not 'change everything', but accelerated the continuity of events, providing an extraordinary pretext for destroying social democracy. The undermining of the Bill of Rights in the United States and the further dismantling of trial by jury in Britain and a plethora of related civil liberties are part of the reduction of democracy to electoral ritual: that is, competition between indistinguishable parties for the management of a single-ideology state.

Central to the growth of this 'business state' are the media conglomerates, which have unprecedented power, owning press and television, book publishing, film production and databases. They provide a virtual world of the 'eternal present', as Time magazine called it: politics by media, war by media, justice by media, even grief by media (Princess Diana).

The 'global economy' is their most important media enterprise. 'Global economy' is a modern Orwellian term. On the surface, it is instant financial trading, mobile phones, McDonald's, Starbucks, holidays booked on the net. Beneath this gloss, it is the globalisation of poverty, a world where most human beings never make a phone call and five on less than two dollars a day, where 6,000 children die every day from diarrhoea because most have no access to clean water.

In this world, unseen by most of us in the global north, a sophisticated system of plunder has forced more than ninety countries into 'structural adjustment' programmes since the eighties, widening the divide between rich and poor as never before. This is known as 'nation building' and 'good governance' by the 'quad' dominating the World Trade Organisation (the United States, Europe, Canada and Japan) and the Washington triumvirate (the World Bank, the IMF and the US Treasury) that controls even minute aspects of government policy in developing countries. Their power derives largely from an unrepayable debt that forces the poorest countries to pay $100 million to western creditors every day. The result is a world where an elite controls 80 per cent of humanity's wealth.

Promoting this are the transnational media corporations, American and European, that own or manage the world's principal sources of news and information. They have transformed much of the 'information society' into a media age where extraordinary technology allows the incessant repetition of politically 'safe' information that is acceptable to the 'nation builders'. In the West, we are trained to view other societies in terms of their usefulness or threat to 'us' and to regard 'cultural' differences as more important than the political and economic forces by which we judge ourselves. Those with unprecedented resources to understand this, including many who teach and research in the great universities, suppress their knowledge publicly; perhaps never before has there been such a silence.

Posted by: deftness | August 7, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"Her husband has destroyed his legacy and Hillary will be risking the same thing."

Actually the DNC and Obama destroyed his legacy. As a moderate who votes republican more than democrat I think its really funny.

All the things the MSM covered up about Clinton by inundating everyone with the sex scandal portion of it are now spouted by Obama supporters who before thought it was a "republican conspiracy." Gotta love it.

Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

In response to this silly idea that Obama has the electoral college wrapped up: don't do to MyDD and expect their pretty graph to be impartial. In fact, they often turn tied states immediately to Obama.

Right now, if the race were held today, three states become the focus states: Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Indiana. They have been swaying back and forth between the two candidates. Ohio is swinging to weak-Obama and medium-McCain. Pennsylvania swings from weak Obama to medium Obama. Indiana swings between weak McCain and weak Obama.

If Obama loses these three states, he is done. McCain wins the math.

Recent polls put Virginia to tied. If Obama loses Virginia, McCain just has to win two other swing states -- of which there are many this election. McCain can win with Virginia, Michigan, and Indiana -- all within his reach.

Obama has a huge problem because he is living big states open to McCain's grasp. He, by current polls, grabs Florida and Ohio. He is only 1% from Indiana. 3% from Michigan.

Mark my words, we will be watching Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia this week. If McCain wins any 3 of these, Obama's in huge danger...and Ohio is currently his by polls, Virginia is tied, and Indiana is dangerously close.

McCain just needs to take Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan to win. He holds Ohio right now, Virginia is tied, and Indiana and Michigan are not outside of his grasp.

Obama does not have this election wrapped up. Not by a long shot.

Posted by: Jack | August 7, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

It's official. Media conspires daily on talking points.

Today CNN, WaPo (Balz) (Fix), NYTimes, msnbc, every source I checked has a story basically asking "What does H.C. want?"

It's ridiculous the way you all walk in step don't you think? However, Chris, I do believe that you are doing a good deed here, and I appreciate your title today about reading the H-chat so we don't have to.

Anyway, as a 65-year old white woman I could care less about what she wants. She should just work hard to elect Obama, and try to be a better senator. Fini.

Posted by: Barbara Wickwire | August 7, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary tries to have her name put in at the convention the myth may be exposed. She may go down so bad and delegates will really resent it. That will put an end to the BS of so many people wanting her. She is risking major league embarrassment. Her husband has destroyed his legacy and Hillary will be risking the same thing. No one want's to look like a fool.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What makes you think any of us waste our time reading the drivel about Hillary now? Repeat after me: "HILLARY IS HISTORY."

Posted by: David S. Robins | August 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why everyone keeps thinking that the 18 million Hillary voters will go for Obama if she campaigns for him or is the VP? Get real people! People who truly supported Hillary, did so not because she was a woman or whatever, but because they believed in her policies, which are VERY similar to those of Obama. Those who want to vote McCain or not at all need to get their head examined because they must be missing parts of their brain. How do you go from Clinton to McCain without abandoning all of your beliefs? I simply can't. I won't give up a woman's right to chose, for one thing, and this is one thing we're sure to lose if the next Supreme Court Justice is appointed by a Republican president.

And another thing, I don't think that every one of the 18 million would vote for Obama because some of them simply can't picture having a black man as their president. Although slavery was abolished and the Civil Rights Act was passed, there are a great deal of people who still refer to the Civil War as the "War of the Northern Agression" and think that black people are inferior to whites.

So stop whining, put your personal feelings aside (no one cares about them) and start thinking about the real issues.

Posted by: K | August 7, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I was for Obama for a while. Then I got to thinking... in our situation, don't we need stability rather than radical change?

It is highly unlikely Obama will be the next FDR or JFK. Both of which had a longer history in the political system before they became president.

Voting Obama in for president would be like voting for my dad. Sure, he might be a great guy, but I doubt he's ready to be head-hauncho.

Posted by: Chris | August 7, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

andy writes....According to a lie detector...<<<<

Ok let's talk about lie detectors.

Obama says he will be tough on terrorism and his website states “Obama wants to preserve the integrity of our borders. He supports additional personnel, infrastructure and technology on the border and at our ports of entry.” And they he will tighten illegal immigration efforts.

BUT......

He voted against allocating funds for terrorism prevention activities, including rail and transit security. (vote #00185, 2005)

He voted against transferring funds allocated to relief for nations found guilty of human rights violations to additional funding for border security. (vote #0073, 2006)

He voted against providing emergency funding for border security efforts. (vote #0094, 2006)

He voted against increasing the amount of fencing and improving vehicle barriers installed along the southwest border of the United States. (vote #00126, 2006)

He voted to provide funds for health care and educational services to illegal aliens. (vote #00133, 2006)

He voted against legislation to protect United States citizens from election ballots being cast illegally by non-United States citizens and illegal aliens. (vote #00143, 2006)

He voted against supporting the Iraqi Government position of no amnesty for terrorists who have attacked U.S. forces and adopting a similar policy in the United States. (vote #00177, 2006)

He voted against increased funding to construct double-layered fencing and vehicle barriers along the southwest border and to offset such increase by reducing earmarks. (vote #00200, 2006)

He voted against funding for the Secretary of Homeland Security to hire investigators to investigate immigration laws violations. (vote #00201, 2006)

He voted against legislation that would improve Homeland Security by requiring that foreign ports scan all containers shipped to the United States for nuclear and radiological weapons before loading. (vote #00248, 2006)

He voted against prohibiting taxpayer dollars being allocated to entitlements for temporary workers or illegal aliens. (vote #00192, 2007)

He voted against requiring the enforcement of existing border security and immigration laws before amnesty can be granted to illegal aliens. (vote #00202, 2007)


And that's just ONE ISSUE. Obamabots might want to be careful when it comes to complaining about someone lying.

Posted by: Scott919 | August 7, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Joanna, you obviously are not a Hillary supporter, otherwise you would not have made the Democrat comment. Skippy, how is Obama "ignoring" Clinton voters? What is he supposed to do, kiss their feet? While the national polls are tight, the electoral college race and state polling is a blowout. Obama will almost certainly win and is on track to win well over 300 electoral votes. It is a very real possibility that McCain could win the popular vote and still get destroyed in the electoral college. Don't believe me? Go to pollster.com.

Posted by: Luke | August 7, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"If Obama's numbers break clear of McCain's range, then the Clintons should jump in."
DDAWD wrote: "So your recommendation is for the Clintons to wait until Obama doesn't need them?"

I think they should stall for more time, watching to see how the numbers move before the convention. If I were them, I'd say I have too much to do back in the home state to help Obama out, but will have time after Congress reconvenes. If his numbers are still hanging on through the convention, then the Clintons follow through on some real help.

Obama wouldn't be able to reject them or be openly retaliatory, and he'd have to smile and take it.

It's not like he's going to withhold any favors from them. He's not doing anything for them (or anyone else) anyways: no campaign debt relief emails to his supporters, no real recognition commensurate with her vote tallies, nothing. He's not the source of any benefit to them, as he's withheld favors, so the worst that could happen if they stall him and play him off is that Obama would have to just pretend to be nice to them, which is what he's doing anyways.

Obama isn't really a good leader, because he's not inspiring loyalty from real people, just all the sycophants and left-wing radicals in the party. To be a great leader, you have to be able to reward and help those who are your supporters. Narcissists have a hard time doing anything substantially beneficial for others, it's one of their personality disordered traits.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? STOP
EXTRA-LEGAL TARGETING OF AMERICANS
BY GOVT.-SUPPORTED 'VIGILANTE' SQUADS

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

According to a lie detector...this is what
Hillary actually said:

yes...I will help obama.. well, if he pays for my debt...no...buy my support...no...buy my vote.

What I really want?...true? Obama never get born and that I am the president...only if I can go back to the past ...
Oh yea... and a new husband that don't cheat.

You guys are all moron if you think for a second that I want obama to be president. Yes, I want Obama to lose to John...So I can have a chance to run in 4 yrs rather than waiting for 8 yrs.....
I will play nice for now to get the next normination just in case Obama run and fail.(cross my finger)


Posted by: andy | August 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, on June 30th campaign financial reports indicate Obama raised 54 million; McCain raised 22 million; and Hillary raised 4 million plus another 1 million in loans.

According to Hillary supporters she has over 18,250,000 voters who voted for her. That means in her efforts to retire her debt, Hillary's 18,250,000 supporters gave less than $.22 cents per person. So much for long term commitment.

Posted by: McCain Man | August 7, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Lol, have you "divined" into Obama's VP thinking lately, Chris? You big dork ...

Posted by: Justin | August 7, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping there's a huge scandal in the Obama camp and Hillary is the nominee. He would lead us into the effing sun.

Posted by: plus4pepe | August 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Until this year, I always described myself as being a 'yellow dog Democrat', but not any more. It's write-in time for me.

Posted by: Paris Hilton Democrat | August 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

You just don't get it. Keep poo pooing the fact that Hillary supporters are still so upset that they would actully vote 4 McCain or stay home. U don't think so? Go ahead and ignore them like Obama is. History will show this is the biggest mistake he can make. If he's so over the top, why are his polling numbers not that way?

Posted by: skippy | August 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I hope at some point all Americans wake up to the fact that both Obama and McCain are con artist. The American political system is so broken that it is beyond repair. Both canidates say whatever fits the "mood" of the event they are speaking at. Neither one has come out and said that Americans are the reason for America's demise. Honesty is a thing of the past I guess.

Posted by: DDB | August 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

If Democrates had brains, they would be Republicans! Obama will not win this election!

Posted by: joanna4Hillary/McCain | August 7, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know where a man can find a good "Monica" at the upcoming DNC. Appreciate the heads up.

B. Clinton

FYI: I'm also interested in a "hot lunch" if you catch my drift

Posted by: Bill | August 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I have had the great pleasure of meeting Senator Barack Obama three times. I am a highly decorated paralyzed veteran and my son fought ten months in Iraq as part of the 82nd Airborne. Senator Obama remembered my name and where we had met and has always displayed incredible support for our nations veterans. He passed legislation that got our troops free meals and calls from Walter Reed and Landstuhl etc. and was also instrumental in getting Jim Webbs GI Bill passed. In short he has honored our service. If you need a reminder of the true cost of the iraq fiasco that George W. lied us into and McWar voted for please visit the nearest veterans hospital and see first hand the price in life and limbs. We join a growing legion of veterans voting proudly for Barack Obama!!

Posted by: Raul Pedraza | August 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I am suppoter of Mrs.Hillay Clinton
life means loss and gain
Mr. Obama is winer
As a democratic
What is my duty
Must to support to Mr.Obama
one thing remember
every society has good and bad peoples
even every family has good and bad person
another thing
every peoples has potiancial ability
no matter any race
you need to know,how to apply your ability
mr. Obama he applied his abiltity
once in congress and noe in senate
now he will apply his ability again
once he winner in presidency election
good luck mr.Obama
God bless you
God bless america too
farid khan

Posted by: Farid Khan | August 7, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

DDawg asks....What exactly is wrong with the tone of the article? <<<

Among other things because it discusses the "benefits" of such a strategy and not the "effects". His tone is so clearly biased that I am amazed he got it written without his keyboard getting drenched from the drool dripping off his chin. I mean that whole website is ridiculously slanted toward Obama. I mean are you kidding me?

Posted by: Scott919 | August 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

when i have a floater in the bowl that won't flush i think of hillary. that's a floating turd with some stank on it. of course the smearheads would like to keep queenie's turds in a hermetically sealed chamber. the high point of their pointless lives, to fondle the royal feces

Posted by: bowlmasterq | August 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Of course she's supporting Obama. She's a loyal Democrat and he is the choice of the stupid (whoops, I meant "super") delegates.

Posted by: Lynn | August 7, 2008 4:40 PM

Yep, and the elected delegates too.

Posted by: Aleks | August 7, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

For God sakes there are still some folks out there spouting the reality bending abacus numbers that show Hillary got more votes than Barack Obama. Lie lie lie she got lots we will give her that but she refuses to count votes in states that held caucuses or the ones where only she was on the ballot or campaigning even when she promised not to.

Now on to the race and the issues we need to get in front of the country. The George W. years are the worst we have ever suffered through period. Housing crisis, credit crisis, gas prices crisis, constitutional crisis, war we should not be in, Osama still on the loose. Why on earth would we want to vote for anyone with a bucket list anyways. Mc Cain is so old that he used to own Sidney Poitier for god sakes. Mc Grumpy should go hang out in one of his nine houses and keep offering up Cindy Mc Cain to topless beauty contests..

SI SE PUEDE!!

Posted by: Julio Sanchez | August 7, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Cannot you people see how very little there is in Obama? He's so arrogant, self serving, and so, so, so egotistical. He is most likely a sleeper. Be careful what you wish for when you wish for him.

Posted by: John McMurray | August 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is like a jilted ex-lover who cannot move on from a bad break up.

Posted by: Teddy | August 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

It is too bad that the DNC shoved Obama down the throats of Democrats.
He has not qualified and will lose in November.

Hillary is quaified and would have won in November. Obama is fighting for the states she already won.

Obama is in Hawaii. Thank goodness. Please do the Democrats a favor and stay in Hawaii. We are the reason we will lose.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait! I just thought of an even funner convention: all guys! Now wouldn't that be such a great party. Just like middle school, the last time such an immature, girl-hating, insensitive and clueless group got together. I hope you go all that way, rent a great suite, spend all that money, and then have to pay-for-porn.

And then lose the election in the Fall anyways.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"What are you kidding me?!?!? Just today in his "Gang of 10: Obama's Checkmate" he goes on and on about how Obama can manipulate circumstances in his favor and his tone is ridiculously biased."

This is just stupid. It details a way on how Obama can use this bill to his advantage. It isn't saying Obama is the better candidate or anything like that. It presents a cold, calculating argument on what Obama should do. What exactly is wrong with the tone of the article?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"Nobody cares, and we should all stop indulging their childishness and craziness and their imaginary victimhood.

Nobody cares anymore."

Sounds like the truth about every whiney-ass minority party out there, and certainly all the Democrats.

Posted by: Bob | August 7, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Floridian Jewish Democrat---good one

Posted by: I like it | August 7, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"The convention is going to be a blast, full of resentful, seething women. Might as well make sure it falls on the day that everyone's having their period. A bunch of really wound up women drinking red wine, feeling dissed and insulted, can really liven up a party."

Amazing - even Hillary's supporters refuse to take her at her word. Welcome to the club.

Now shut up and get on board.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 7, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

DDawd asks...Well, yeah, the guy is an Obama supporter, but you only know that from the FAQ. How in the world do you get a pro-Obama slant from the articles?<<<

What are you kidding me?!?!? Just today in his "Gang of 10: Obama's Checkmate" he goes on and on about how Obama can manipulate circumstances in his favor and his tone is ridiculously biased. My biggest laugh in months was when he started off his "Evan Bayh: Latent Liberal" article with the statement "Speaking for a moment as a Democratic partisan...." FOR THE MOMENT?!?!?! LOL. Since when DOESN'T he?

Posted by: Scott919 | August 7, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton reminds me of a woman at a bar when the lights come on at closing time who follows you into the parking lot asking if there is an after party. There is no after party Madam you lost so get over it. Please don't make your convention speech about me me me me me this one time. You have one more opportunity to appear gracious don't blow it. As to your husband go ahead and put him where he belongs out on the backwoods trail. Nothing to be feel slighted about here you lost to a better run campaign that spent their money more wisely and planned their strategy better as well.

YES WE CAN put a Democrat in the White House and his name is Barack Obama. All the spoil sports who vow not to support the obviously better choice for our country will deserve what they get if he was to lose a squeeker.

BARACK AND ROLL IN 2008!

Posted by: Floridian Jewish Democrat | August 7, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow...you guys...especially "ALEX H" need to take a Midol...stay home on election day Alex and watch your Sex in the city marathon on VHS...I say VHS, because you are so behind the times!

Posted by: Tom | August 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Regardless what the case was a few months ago, Hillary can't win anymore. It would be a land slide for Mccain.

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"If Obama's numbers break clear of McCain's range, then the Clintons should jump in."

So your recommendation is for the Clintons to wait until Obama doesn't need them?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 5:10 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

In the end it is not really going to matter. Mccain is slowly losing his mind and he is doing it on a world stage. It will be hard to believe he can win especially after everyone see his Alzheimer’s act in the debates. Do anyone catch his Sturgis performance? I think it is getting to be game over.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The convention is going to be a blast, full of resentful, seething women. Might as well make sure it falls on the day that everyone's having their period. A bunch of really wound up women drinking red wine, feeling dissed and insulted, can really liven up a party.

If you wanted to get some guy killed you could slap a "shut up and get on board!" sign on his back and kick him out onto the convention floor.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse


.
We Clinton supporters will not cause trouble for TheOne.

We'll just do everything possible to ensure defeat for this Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, elitist, inexperienced, narcissistic, flip-flopping gas-bag - who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes, and who hijacked the nomination with fewer votes than Hillary received.

Best of luck, hussein.

/

Posted by: ALEX H. | August 7, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

We (media) Select President So You Don't Have To.

Crab!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jy2008 | August 7, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener | August 7, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"If Obama's numbers break clear of McCain's range, then the Clintons should jump in."

So your recommendation is for the Clintons to wait until Obama doesn't need them?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post reports..."Turns out, the biggest recipient of contributions from Exxon executives and employees during this campaign is not McCain. It's Obama.

The non-partisan center writes: "Through June, Exxon employees have given Obama $42,100 to McCain's $35,166. Chevron favors Obama $35,157 to $28,500, and Obama edges out McCain with BP $16,046 vs. $11,500."


Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....imagine THAT!

Posted by: Scot919 | August 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is King and will be the new commander and chief, bow down Hillary supporters and realize he's better that McGrampa!

Posted by: Holden | August 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Funny, she says she is going to fight for the issues 'she' cares about. Last time I checked, she was supposed to fight for what the people care about, which may be much different that what she cares about.

What happened to being or, by and for the people. She is supposed to represent the people, not her own agenda. If the 2 are the same, fine, but they may not always be.

Posted by: JR | August 7, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Oh come on Dawd. Fivethirtyeight.com doesn't even PRETEND to be unbiased. Nate (who runs the site) is blatent in his pro-Obama stance and makes absolutely no secret of it."

Well, yeah, the guy is an Obama supporter, but you only know that from the FAQ. How in the world do you get a pro-Obama slant from the articles?

Besides, half the stuff is done by spreadsheets and computers. You might disagree with the methodology, but its not biased.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

To the person who said Mr. Obama won because he has a penis, I resent that comment, mine is actually bigger.

- H. Clinton

Posted by: Hillary | August 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Good post, John Mccain would be proud of you. You are a filthy piece of trash just like Mccain.

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All I have to say is , Obama and his "BORN ALIVE ACT". How could anyone with even an ounce of compassion in them ,cast a vote for an INHUIMANE MONSTER LIKE HIM. I would rather vote for a dog, (who basiclly has the same qualifications as him).

Posted by: jewels | August 7, 2008 5:05 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

GREG LIMES...boo hoo...how was sex in the city???

Posted by: Tom | August 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

All I have to say is , Obama and his "BORN ALIVE ACT". How could anyone with even an ounce of compassion in them ,cast a vote for an INHUIMANE MONSTER LIKE HIM. I would rather vote for a dog, (who basiclly has the same qualifications as him).

Posted by: jewels | August 7, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news

Man arrested in Miami regarding plot to assassinate Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Clinton should steer clear of the impending train wreck.

Hillary should make big promises of unity and schedule time for rallies, etc. Bill should withhold warm endorsements, making sure he neither hurts Obama's campaign nor rewards their bad behavior with any recognition that would help it.

If Obama's numbers break clear of McCain's range, then the Clintons should jump in. If he continues to poll like a dog, they should shake him. I.e. make excuses, create some small fussy angst over the unretired campaign debt and get out of any rallies or commitments she might have scheduled with him.

As obnoxious as Obama's campaign is, Clinton should be ready to shale Obama off her leg just as soon as it becomes clear that he can't clear the numbers he needs to win the election. Obama's so arrogant and going into this with so much media fawning and hubris that this is a campaign that will go down in flaming infamy if he loses.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

DDawd writes...

By the way, here's an interesting article on the Gallup poll that recently had McCain at +4%<<<

Oh come on Dawd. Fivethirtyeight.com doesn't even PRETEND to be unbiased. Nate (who runs the site) is blatent in his pro-Obama stance and makes absolutely no secret of it.

Posted by: Scott919 | August 7, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The honorable man (Obama) vs the con artist (McCain).


thanks for not setting the record straight moron, I mean greg lime.

Posted by: JEFO | August 7, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Susan said, "The first rule of Chicago politics is to remember your friends. And your foes". I thought it was to eliminate your opponent by any corrupt means at your disposal.

I would encourage you to look at the polls before you tak about appointments he will make for his administration.

PUMA "WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR."

Posted by: tlatexaspuma | August 7, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The Honorable Man VS The Con Artist

PLEASE WAKE UP AMERICANS….A vote for the car salesman (con artist) is a vote for over 20 years of personal relationship with REZKO, Wright, Ayers, and Farahkhan…He is an empty suit; he can say anything to get elected. This rookie is a big PHONY. ….I’m tired of all his rhetoric…..The more I listen to this guy the more I hate him……He can not be trusted…

A flip-flopper to get an experience! He voted “present” for more a hundred times, because he did not know how to vote “Yes or No” …WOW, this guy is a totally a joke!

Remember Muslim’s sons are for life. Blood is sticker than water. He can say any thing and he can run BUT he can not hide.

I was a lifelong Democrat, but now Independent. I will never vote for Barrack HUSSEIN Obama.

Please don’t be fooled by a car salesman. ….As a patriotic American; I don’t care if you are a Democrats or Republicans, we deserve an honorable man like Sen. McCain.

If you believed everything this car salesman said, you are fool.

Posted by: greg limes | August 7, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The Honorable Man VS The Con Artist

PLEASE WAKE UP AMERICANS….A vote for the car salesman (con artist) is a vote for over 20 years of personal relationship with REZKO, Wright, Ayers, and Farahkhan…He is an empty suit; he can say anything to get elected. This rookie is a big PHONY. ….I’m tired of all his rhetoric…..The more I listen to this guy the more I hate him……He can not be trusted…

A flip-flopper to get an experience! He voted “present” for more a hundred times, because he did not know how to vote “Yes or No” …WOW, this guy is a totally a joke!

Remember Muslim’s sons are for life. Blood is sticker than water. He can say any thing and he can run BUT he can not hide.

I was a lifelong Democrat, but now Independent. I will never vote for Barrack HUSSEIN Obama.

Please don’t be fooled by a car salesman. ….As a patriotic American; I don’t care if you are a Democrats or Republicans, we deserve an honorable man like Sen. McCain.

If you believed everything this car salesman said, you are fool.

Posted by: greg limes | August 7, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The Honorable Man VS The Con Artist

PLEASE WAKE UP AMERICANS….A vote for the car salesman (con artist) is a vote for over 20 years of personal relationship with REZKO, Wright, Ayers, and Farahkhan…He is an empty suit; he can say anything to get elected. This rookie is a big PHONY. ….I’m tired of all his rhetoric…..The more I listen to this guy the more I hate him……He can not be trusted…

A flip-flopper to get an experience! He voted “present” for more a hundred times, because he did not know how to vote “Yes or No” …WOW, this guy is a totally a joke!

Remember Muslim’s sons are for life. Blood is sticker than water. He can say any thing and he can run BUT he can not hide.

I was a lifelong Democrat, but now Independent. I will never vote for Barrack HUSSEIN Obama.

Please don’t be fooled by a car salesman. ….As a patriotic American; I don’t care if you are a Democrats or Republicans, we deserve an honorable man like Sen. McCain.

If you believed everything this car salesman said, you are fool.

Posted by: greg limes | August 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"If all of HRC's supporters are behind BO, then why is he sucking in the polls? "

Personally, I think most of the pollsters have screwed up turnout numbers and are underestimating Democratic turnout. Just a theory, though

By the way, here's an interesting article on the Gallup poll that recently had McCain at +4%

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/on-likely-voters-and-long-tail.html

By the way, I recommend www.fivethirtyeight.com to everyone. It's become one of my favorite political sites.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone support the Clintons when it is obvious they care more about their personal careers than moving forward the Democratic party's agenda? When it was Clinton and her supporting members on the DNC who first penalized those states that moved their primaries forward. Then after losing at those rules, decide to move the goal post further and still lost. Now to still be sub-textually complaining is just poor form and no regard to the bigger picture.

Posted by: Capt.Obvious | August 7, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

@Constance - What do you mean "aryan"? Are you saying that she invaded northern India in 2000 BC?

Posted by: Inconstance | August 7, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"she got more votes because he has a penis and she doesn't."


Actually, I just copied and pasted Obama's name like two million times on my computer. So now he's got more votes.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 7, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

further research indicates that Obama polices make good economic sense. <<<

$845 billion in new spending (not one penny of which will be used inside the United States - Obama's Global Poverty Act) makes good economic sense?!?!?!? I mean that's just ONE program. What research are you looking at? A magic 8-ball?

Posted by: Scott919 | August 7, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Bush 2; Clinton 1. This has nothing to do with 18 million votes. It has everything to do with nepotism. Since father and son could be predient, why not husband and wife? After all, Argentina just did so.
Why not Hilarious?

Posted by: HilaBash | August 7, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Losers think the democratic process is a joke with quotes like this one. That is why you LOST!

"Of course she's supporting Obama. She's a loyal Democrat and he is the choice of the stupid (whoops, I meant "super") delegates."

Posted by: King | August 7, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The logic here is so ridiculously flawed I hurts my brain.

Hillary supporters go back under your rock, you are a distraction.

Still laughing at the funny attack on me like you know me. LOL....can't get over that one. Proof Hillary supporters are nuts!!! They claim someone they don't know will lose their job if Obama is elected.

How deliciously absurd! I could be retired, work for the government, be self-employed, or independently wealthy. The fact that could not know, yet make such absurd claims shows how absurd everything else you say is.

Posted by: Jason | August 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Me! Me! Me! I! I! I! Us! We! Deserve! Entitled! Me! Me!

I ask, has anyone ever seen a losing candidate be so entirely demanding and self absorbed? I need money! I want to be heard! I need a catharsis!

WHAT EVER.

The first rule of Chicago politics is to remember your friends. And your foes.

When President Obama is selecting his cabinet, a justice, or which senate campaign to grace with an appearance, he will remember all of this. And her husband's little antics too.

Obscurity. The cure for the common Clinton.

Posted by: Susan | August 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

@constance ...Wow, you are funny, as you know nothing about me. My job is more secure than your life buddy, count on it.

LOL, now I know you are DUMB with a commnet like that. LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Of course she's supporting Obama. She's a loyal Democrat and he is the choice of the stupid (whoops, I meant "super") delegates.
She can support whomever she wants and while I would have voted for Hillary, I will never vote for Obama. I have been a life long Democrat but this will be the first election that I vote Republican. McCain is independent of Bush and far less scary that Nobama.

Posted by: Lynn | August 7, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Obama....

I am "one of those people" and the fact that you're not interested in talking to me and the rest of us is the reason we will NEVER vote for Obama. Even if you offer HRC the VP spot (don't do it, Hillary... you'll only be blamed for everything he does wrong and WHEN he loses in November, it will be all "your fault".

NObama. Ever He's just an empty suit. Not qualified.

Posted by: Marsha | August 7, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

2Constance. Your claim is false and you cannot prove it. I attack your false message, not you.

Posted by: Jaosn | August 7, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I love how the same person just changes their name over and over and over and posts pro-hillary comments based on nothing.

thank God America has some sense and did away with this woman.

Obama 2008/2012

Posted by: Jason | August 7, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Attacking the messenger is meaninless and predictable.

Fine...ignore the statistics. The results in November will speak for themselves. My guess is you'll be out of a job by then.

Posted by: Constance | August 7, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

That's odd because all polls, all people, and all policies point to an Obama win.

What nonsense are you reading or what knowledge do you have that no one else has?

Your secret racism?


Because you certainly are not voting on issues if you don't vote for Obama and claim to be a Democrat.

Posted by: DINO come out of the woodwork! | August 7, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Why would you vote for McCain. Are you another identity voter, who ignored issues and votes with their ass?

If not, please tell me what issues of McCain you agree with?

Posted by: King | August 7, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

she's just trying to make obama happy. he likes obedient women, you know. he SHOULD be happy... but he's not. what's up with that?

Posted by: campskunk | August 7, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going down....Hillary or no Hillary!!

Posted by: Jay W | August 7, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@Constance, stop making up statistics. 85% of people know you can prove 50% of anything with numbers. You people come out of the wordwrk like rats when hillary is mentioned.

80% of polls show that is true.

Pathetic.

Posted by: Jason | August 7, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's chat today sewed it up for me:
McCain 2008

Posted by: CountryFirst | August 7, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary2012. You are pathetic. Typical neo-American dysfunction. You can't accept loss and blame others. No one would ever define me as a leftist, so you statement doen't ring true.

further research indicates that Obama polices make good economic sense. also, last I checked, it waas Hillary who is the opportunist.

Lets remember the facts now, since you DINO's and PUMA or whatever you call yourselves are not real Democrats anyway since you don't vote on issues and instead vote based on identity.

Posted by: HillaryBane | August 7, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

BTW...cranky old man,

You might be interested to know Obama is having a harder time convincing male supporters of Clinton to jump on the Trancendent/Hopey/Changey Express.

While about 50% of the woman seem willing to offer their blind faith in the abstract hope of it all, only 37% of the men are offering to do the same.

Ya'll are handing the Republican Party a pass at the White House for the next decade, by insisting on this course of action. It's a train wreck in the making.

Unity is the result of a process not a commandment. Otherwise we are just oogling at the Emperor's New Clothes and getting high.

Posted by: Constance | August 7, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should support Obama from a distance. Obama is going to lose. His only chance of winning is if Hillary is VP. She should not take it.

Obama's failure as the democratic nominee will give her the power to return the once great democratic party to the center. It has been hijacked by the far left wingnuts and opportunists.

Hillary can fix the democratic party after november and woo back all of us center democrats who are going to put McCain in the white house. She can then focus on 2012.

Posted by: Hillary2012 | August 7, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Chris will you also read all the Newsweek, People, USWeekly, Time, Ebony, GQ, etc. etc etc publications that spotlight Obama so we don't have to?
I'm ready for him to go on vacation.

Posted by: Echo21 | August 7, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I saw Vilsak on TV saying Hillary Clinton's name won't get put in nomination "but she'll be allowed to attend the convention and she'll have a role."

Wow. I hadn't even thought that it was an option that Obama could actually BAR her from attending the convention.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The Obamanation's disrespect for (and ignorance of) the democratic process as well as their vile comments toward Senator Clinton demonstrate a collective mentality that is Aryan-like.

This is the first time in my adult life that I've felt scared for my country.

These paid cyber-bullies are the first to jump on an article and intimidate thoughtful people. New isn't necessarily better...dudes and YOU are getting old.

Posted by: Constance | August 7, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has just proven that she doesn't belong in the White House; she's still pandering to her drama queens. Imagine if every decision she'd make as president had to be refought with her supporters every day for 8 years??

Posted by: cranky old man | August 7, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

If all of HRC's supporters are behind BO, then why is he sucking in the polls? He cannot bust 50 when it should absolutely be a Democratic landslide..............................
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 44% of the vote while and John McCain earns 43%. When "leaners" are included, it’s Obama 47% and McCain 46%. With leaners, the candidates have been within one point of each other for seven straight days (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day

Posted by: greenfun | August 7, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that why we have media? So people don't have to listen to all those boring speeches by The Chosen One.

As to the "few sweaty hiefers," yea, some of us plan to stampede in Denver and force a real vote. Something Barky has rarely seen and might just find some real surprises when it ain't Barky at Invesco Field.

Posted by: Mimi Schaeffer | August 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

that turds won't flush!

Posted by: bowlmaster | August 7, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse


All the Hillary supporters I know are behind Obama, so let a few sweaty hiefers stampede through Denver and make assh*oles of themselves. Nobody cares, and we should all stop indulging their childishness and craziness and their imaginary victimhood.

Nobody cares anymore.

Posted by: Shawn | August 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Joshua Delano,

You can't be as dumb as your posting indicates.

If Hillary were to go hide until after the election there would be a good chance that what happened to Gerald Ford in 1976 when Ronald Reagan went home the loser in the primary will happen to Obama. He will lose.

Obama needs the support of the Hillary voters in PA, FL, OH, NM, IN, NV. and some other states to win. The best way to get them is to have Hillary out campaigning for them and asking her 18,000,000 primary voters to vote for Obama.

Thankfully Obama is a smart guy and he knows that. Good thing you have nothing to do with his campaign or we would have McCain in the White House. Or is that what you really want?

Posted by: peter | August 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

scrivener, now you know I had to go look that up! :)

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl:

But who has the behtzim?

Posted by: scrivener | August 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Nothing terribly earth-shattering... agreed?"

No, not agreed. I feel her remarks were unequivocally supportive and affirmative of the candidacy of the person she referred to as "President Obama".

The only reason you thing that's not good enough is that she is a woman and you think that she should grovel, simper and fawn over Obama even though she got more votes because he has a penis and she doesn't.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Hillary is getting even more fake with all her feigned obedience and I's gonna help ya Mista Obama..lol, what a joke. Just when I think that Hillary can't demean herself anymore...she goes a little lower. Can't this woman just go an hibernate somewhere so we don't have to see her face and hear her voice anymore. I mean, I'd rather hear my boy Bill talk about her than to hear her talk at all. Oh well, let's look forward to more bad news and diminishing of the Hillary Rodham Clinton name tomorrow, it can only get worse.

Soigne Toi,
Joshua W. Delano
www.JoshuaWDelano.Blogspot.com

Posted by: Joshua W. Delano | August 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Great head-fake, Hill!

Now get back on the phone to those supers.


MCCAIN-OBAMA 'PSY OPS' WARS: WHO'S GOT THE VOODOO?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-presidential-psy-ops-wars-whos-got-voodoo

Posted by: scrivener | August 7, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

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