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An Obama referendum (or not)



Are today's elections a referendum on President Obama's first year in office? AP Photo/Mel Evans

For the first time since President Obama won the White House last November, voters in a significant number of states head to the polls today to choose -- among other things -- new governors in Virginia and New Jersey and a new member of Congress in Upstate New York.

While Obama isn't on the ballot anywhere in the country, the shape of these races -- to varying degrees -- have been influenced by the president and the policies he has put into place since taking over as the 44th president of the United States in January.

In Virginia, state Sen. Creigh Deeds (D) struggled with how much or little to embrace the president out of a concern that discontent with the rapid expansion of government under Obama would hurt his chances among rural and swing voters.

Ultimately, however, Deeds' uneasy embrace of Obama hurt him more with reliable Democratic voters -- particularly in Northern Virginia -- and contributed to what looks like an almost certain defeat today, which would hand the governor's mansion to Republicans after eight years of Democratic control in the Commonwealth.

In New Jersey, Gov. Jon Corzine (D) did everything within his power to associate himself with the popular Obama in the minds of voters. The president has made three trips to the Garden State in support of Corzine and the incumbent's ads have been filled with images of Obama since this summer.

Thanks to a White House intervention around that same time, Joel Benenson, the lead pollster on Obama's presidential campaign, was brought in to guide Corzine's effort -- a hiring that coincided with the start of the governor's comeback from the political dead.

The White House's role in the Upstate New York special election in the 23rd district is more subtle but no less important.

The seat is vacant only because of Rep. John McHugh's (R) appointment by President Obama as secretary of the army, a move many party strategists believe was orchestrated by White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, a former head of the House Democratic campaign committee.

And, the White House waded back into the race over the weekend when they played a major role in convincing state Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava (R) to endorse Bill Owens (D) rather than Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman following her surprise decision to exit the race last Saturday.

Despite the clear interest -- and involvement -- from the president and his senior advisers in the trio of contested contests on the ballot today, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs downplayed the idea that the results of the races were any reflection on Obama or the Democratic Party more broadly.

"I don't think that these elections will portend a lot for what happens in 2010 any more than the 2001 elections seemed to denote relative electoral legislative strength for President Bush in 2002," said Gibbs during the White House press briefing on Monday.

It is, of course, Gibbs' job to say just that. And, while a case can be made -- heck, we made the case earlier this fall -- that Virginia and New Jersey are more about local than national issues, if Republicans sweep both gubernatorial races and the Hoffman wins in NY-23, you can expect a series of stories over the next weeks that paint the elections as a shot across the bow for Obama and congressional Democrats.

Why? Because political reporters, pundits and the political chattering class are forever obsessed with elections past. And, at least twice in modern memory, off-year governors election in Virginia and New Jersey have served as leading indicators of a wave to come.

In 1993, victories by Christie Todd Whitman (N.J.) and George Allen (Va.) presaged the Republican wave election of 1994. And, more recently, wins by Corzine and Gov. Tim Kaine (Va.) in 2005 set the stage for the large House and Senate pickups by Democrats in the 2006 midterms.

"A victory in one state would reverse a troubling trend line for the GOP and would give the party momentum heading into 2010," said Republican Governors Association communications director Mike Schrimpf. "The RGA winning both states would be devastating to Democrats."

While the debate over what today's results will mean to the 2010 midterms may be slightly premature, it's clear that whatever happens in New York, New Jersey and Virginia will have an impact of some sort on the current health care debate in Congress.

A Republican sweep in all three states would almost certainly have a chilling effect on moderate Democrats in the House and Senate who continue to fence-sit about whether to back the White House plan or not. Conversely, a split decision -- Democrats win New Jersey, Republicans win Virginia -- might provide enough of a muddle in terms of voter intentions that the White House can effectively argue to vulnerable incumbents that the president is either a neutral or positive influence on races around the country in 2010.

Any time voters vote, meaning can be drawn from the outcome. Both sides are sure to do their best to spin the results in their favor but you can be sure that the political strategists in the White House are keeping a very close eye on what happens today in New York, New Jersey and Virginia for signs of the country's mood toward the president and his agenda.

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 3, 2009; 11:31 AM ET
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AP and NBC call NJ for Christie.

Posted by: lure1 | November 3, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

It's not looking good for Deeds.

His insistence that he wasn't an "Obama Democrat" didn't get him too far, did it. If this is a BHO referendum (which it isn't), it shows he may have had a chance if he had sided with 44, rather than with the yahoos who didn't vote for him in the end anyway.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 3, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"What is that, nodebris?"

The Fix's piece was the top link on the WaPo homepage all day. So the blog is drawing all the illiterati who typically spend all day frantically posting repetitive comments on the Post's top stories. Ekim, 37th+0, and their illustrious peers. It's the place from whence jaked was spawned and wither he's returned.

These shaggy, confused souls are wheeling their shopping carts in here, unpacking their few disreputable belongings, urinating in the corners, and treating us to their inappropriately loud and disconnected monologues.

Don't offer them any handouts, or they'll never leave.

Posted by: nodebris | November 3, 2009 8:30
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Don't worry. They'll be leaving soon. They have to get down to the local Piggly Wiggly to redeem their 14 mashed aluminum cans before it closes at 9pm. After that it's off to the freeway where they throw rocks at cars from the overpass.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 3, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"What is that, nodebris?"

The Fix's piece was the top link on the WaPo homepage all day. So the blog is drawing all the illiterati who typically spend all day frantically posting repetitive comments on the Post's top stories. Ekim, 37th+0, and their illustrious peers. It's the place from whence jaked was spawned and wither he's returned.

These shaggy, confused souls are wheeling their shopping carts in here, unpacking their few disreputable belongings, urinating in the corners, and treating us to their inappropriately loud and disconnected monologues.

Don't offer them any handouts, or they'll never leave.

Posted by: nodebris | November 3, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Note to Gerry Connolly- Still supporting "Botox" Pelosi? Still supporting a health insurance welfare program bill, HR3200?

You're next, because "YOU'RE FIRED!!!"

So it is written, so it is done.

Let these lazy, shiftless people get a job and earn their insurance, like I do.

Remember the Stimulus Money? Gee whiz, since when is free meals and "Obama Cash" for the homeless constitute "shovel ready jobs."

The only thing getting shoveled, is passing for fertilizer!!!!

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | November 3, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Today's exit polls from NJ and VA disprove rightwing talking points. Facts do matter, Chris...

Obama = Non Factor: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/03/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5514455.shtml

CBS News reports that exit polls in Virginia and New Jersey found that majorities of voters in both states -- 55% in Virginia and 60% in New Jersey -- said President Obama was not a factor in their vote today.

For those who said Mr. Obama was a factor in New Jersey divided as to whether their vote was a vote for the president (19%) or against him (20%). In Virginia, slightly fewer voters said their vote was for Mr. Obama (18%) than against him (24%).

Posted by: GoddessIsGood | November 3, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

There are 9 states that require photo identification by law. There are 18 that require non-photo identification which could be as little as a simple credit card.

The process is rife with fraud, especially when people who normally do not vote, are fraudulently registered by certain left-wing community organizations.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 8:05 PM
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It's 2009. Voter suppression is illegal. Grow up.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 3, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Dude, we have the White House and solid majorities in both houses of Congress. What the hell are you whimpering about, a few lousy governor races?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse
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Exactly, and you still can't get anything done. Democrats are incompetent and you can't blame anybody but yourselves this time. That's change you can believe in.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

At the rate of posting, I wonder if RobParker tagged in for JakeD.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 3, 2009 7:59 PM
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Seems like.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 3, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Dude, have you ever voted??

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Of course he hasn't. Vote without identification? He's a moron.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

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There are 9 states that require photo identification by law. There are 18 that require non-photo identification which could be as little as a simple credit card.

The process is rife with fraud, especially when people who normally do not vote, are fraudulently registered by certain left-wing community organizations.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"THE OBAMA MUDSLIDE OF 2010

-when the Dems lost the House

began TONIGHT, Tuesday, November 3, 2009.

One year after the tragic, misguided, election of Obama.

Posted by: ProCounsel "
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Hahahaha, so when is taking back lost ground a gain?

Posted by: JRM2 | November 3, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

At the rate of posting, I wonder if RobParker tagged in for JakeD.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 3, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I spotted "37." I feel responsible for his resurrection so let me see what I can do--with apologies to the old gypsy woman Maleva:

"The way you walked was thorny, through no fault of your own, but as the rain enters the soil, the river enters the sea, so tears run to a predestined end. Your suffering is over, 37thandO my troll. Now you will find peace."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 3, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

"Wow. you radical liberals get increasingly nastier the more you lose.

I can't wait until next year. Maybe you'll become more accustomed to it by then and will calm down a little.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 7:55 PM "
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You should know all about that since the 20% have responded so graciously with nary a concern for the well being of our country..

Hey, intellectual coward, are you going to respond to my earlier post about your claims of an enemy in the white house or just post more unsubstantiated trash?

Posted by: JRM2 | November 3, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

THE OBAMA MUDSLIDE OF 2010

-when the Dems lost the House

began TONIGHT, Tuesday, November 3, 2009.

One year after the tragic, misguided, election of Obama.

Posted by: ProCounsel | November 3, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow. you radical liberals get increasingly nastier the more you lose.

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hahahaha "radical liberals"

Dude, we have the White House and solid majorities in both houses of Congress. What the hell are you whimpering about, a few lousy governor races?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow. you radical liberals get increasingly nastier the more you lose.

I can't wait until next year. Maybe you'll become more accustomed to it by then and will calm down a little.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd say that given the drift to the right since Reagan it's a pretty bold presumption that 50 years from now there will still be a single USA.

I really don't feel very much at all in common with the 17-percenters. They seem deranged; red-faced and yelling and a self-destructive as crack addicts.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

50 years from now, people will look back at the three "tough" issues affecting this so called referendum (economic recovery / health care / clean energy ), and wonder how republicans could have such draconian views.

Posted by: ryan_heart | November 3, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

100% indisputable racism.

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Is there any doubt whatsobloodyever that all these anti-Obama goopers are merely racists?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

An Obama referendum (NOT)

Posted by: JoeNTx | November 3, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

The Oboobma era: It was nasty, insufferable, but mercifully brief.

Posted by: thebump | November 3, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is a fraud,the first black president ...and the last.Steppin Fetchit has more gumption.

Posted by: hyroller56"

Another data point in the "Republicans are racists" meme.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Dude, have you ever voted??

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Of course he hasn't. Vote without identification? He's a moron.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"Let me say that I have nothing against the MAN. I have everything against his demonstrated ideology. I have the right to."

Actually, you said that the terrorists have a friend in Obama and that the prisoners at GITMO are his brothers.

100% indisputable racism.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"And since many counties/states don't require ID to cast a ballot, who's to know that it wasn't done?"

Dude, have you ever voted??

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

@RobParker re: "enemy in the whitehouse"

Care to substantiate your claims rather than just spewing trash?

Since Obama has been President he has sent an additional 30k troops to Afghanistan, do you think our enemies in that region think that is a good thing?

Since Obama has been President over HALF of the most dangerous terrorists on the CIA's most-wanted list have been killed including the top Al Qaeda leader in Pakistan and some of the top Taliban leaders.

But you probably didn't know that because you are too busy feeding your hatred with Fox News.

So let's see if you can mange squaring those facts with your lousy assertions.

Posted by: JRM2 | November 3, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

If Deeds loses, this space -- and its mothership (Drudge) -- will likely push the "BHO referendum" line of the RNC, but it just ain't so.

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And even if all three Democrats won these ninnies would come up with some brain-charred reason why it vindicates the GOP and proves this or that. And it wouldn't make sense to anyone else, so they would scream it all the more defiantly.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Whether someone cast a ballot under the false registration isn't known, but the registrations were indeed posted by ACORN employees. They were PAID to gather registrants, which is in itself a crime.

And since many counties/states don't require ID to cast a ballot, who's to know that it wasn't done?

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 6:51 PM
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Hey, pal, you have the wrong address. You're looking for stormfront or teamsarah.org. BTW, your VonBrunn t-shirt is the mail.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 3, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

We'll know in an hour who won in Va. But at ground level here, I can tell you this is not a referendum on BHO, no matter what the RNC and the Fox might say.

Wilder, Kaine, and Warner had mapped out a well-worn path to the statehouse for Deeds. Deeds decided not to follow it: he distanced himself from BHO, who won Va., he decided not to court young and minority voters, he somehow alienated both Gov. Wilder and Sheila Johnson (quite a feat), and he wasted much of his time talking gun rights to yahoos in rural Va. who were not voting for him under any circumstances. He acted like he was running for reelection to his State Senate seat.

Any generic No. Virginia candidate could have mopped the floor with Mac, but McAuliffe's vanity entry split the No. Va. between him and Moran, and thus Deeds got the nod.

If Deeds loses, this space -- and its mothership (Drudge) -- will likely push the "BHO referendum" line of the RNC, but it just ain't so.

(c) O-Nation

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 3, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

If the posters here are representative of the GOP then I'd say the Democrats have nothing to worry about for generations to come.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a fraud,the first black president ...and the last.Steppin Fetchit has more gumption.

Posted by: hyroller56 | November 3, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

"As for keeping us safe, we haven't been attacked directly because our enemy is already in the White House. The terrorists have a better friend in power than the American people do. Why would they want to screw that up?"

You know, I cognitively know that all Republicans aren't racists, but man, people like this guy sure makes it hard to remember that fact.

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Since you've gone where all liberals eventually go when they don't like the debate and called me racist, I'd like to refute that.

Let me say that I have nothing against the MAN. I have everything against his demonstrated ideology. I have the right to.

By your logic, if you're of color and hated Bush's policies, then you're likewise, a racist. By the same token, if you voted for Obama simply because he was black, you just as much a racist.

So, you're wrong my friend. I judge the man and his actions rather than his color.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I do not pretend to know why anyone would vote for Mssrs. McDonnell, Bolling and Cuccinelli. If they win it means I am out of the Virginia mainstream which I am glad to be. I do not believe that this election cycle here in Virginia is an indictment of Obama. I have to wonder at a democratic party that would walk away from the energy the Obama campaign created here and have our democratic nominee for governor claim that he is not an "Obama" democrat. I gu ess Deeds is truthful because he like my other Democratic reps here in Virginia stand firmly with The Corporations who heavily fund their campaigns. That is why we are considered to be the most business friendly state in the country. Even if the Democrats win tonight nothing will change. We will not have a public option in healthcare delivery or a chance to escape payday lenders. More of the same either way the election goes.

Posted by: fabricmaven1 | November 3, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

So you're saying that someone registered under the name Mickey Mouse came up to sign in at the polling place, handed them an ID that says "Mickey Mouse," the official at the polling place was like "duhhh, looks good to me" and then the person went and voted?

That's what you're saying happened?

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

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Whether someone cast a ballot under the false registration isn't known, but the registrations were indeed posted by ACORN employees. They were PAID to gather registrants, which is in itself a crime.

And since many counties/states don't require ID to cast a ballot, who's to know that it wasn't done?

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

BTW: It's great that he sent his brothers in Gitmo the H1N1 vaccine that even American kids can't get.

Nice...
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I think the argument over the H1N1 vaccine is funny. Does anyone know how long it takes to make 1 vaccine? How long would it take to make 300 million? 6 billion? Once again the fact that you can get a hamburger in a few minutes or pull information on anything off the internet in seconds does not mean that everything only takes a short time to produce. Why don't you produce the vaccine since your going to complain about it. And what a stupid compliant. Apaprently you think that being an American is a God given right making us 300million better than the other 5.7billion people on the planet!? According to the stats, we do not have the best economy, we do not have the best education, we do not have the best of anything. We all point fingers as to why we have these problems but the way I see it is "Raise the price of my football ticket and the food at the game, eh, no problem. Raise the tax and price of education, oh no you didnt. Outrage!" People complaining about their credit card max being lowered and rates raising....why are you living off of credit and not within your means? "My house is getting forclosed because the banker who gave me the loan cheated me"...even though I didn't pay attention to what he was telling me or read the fine print on the loan, it was never my fault even though I knew and they knew that I would never be able to afford it. And speaking of reading the fine print, everyone expects their congrees person to read all of the whats in a bill, but most people in the country dont read, the literacy percentage has gone down, meaning more people cant read. College graduates with a second grade reading level...why is Algerbra so hard, when it really isnt. Why does the person that sweeps floors think he deserves just as much as those who do big business deals. I can go on, but it is us, and we will have to fix it ourselves. No one is going to just come in and change everything while we sit around and drink beer. We have to get up and change things and if you aren't than you are the problem.

Posted by: ai3di | November 3, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

President Obama certainly is not on the ballot. Why is he acting like he is?

My personal belief is that this election is a referendum on Obama, but he will not say it is unless Democrats that embrace his agenda win.

Why was Biden in NY-23 acting like he was running against Palin?

Did all the Obama voters in VA not get the memo? Or was Obama simply not Bush when he ran against Bush's third term in 2008 (he did not run against McCain, that's for sure)

Posted by: thelaw1 | November 3, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"As for keeping us safe, we haven't been attacked directly because our enemy is already in the White House. The terrorists have a better friend in power than the American people do. Why would they want to screw that up?"

You know, I cognitively know that all Republicans aren't racists, but man, people like this guy sure makes it hard to remember that fact.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Nonsense and silliness from a media person having nothing else to say.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | November 3, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Where is the introspection, Washington Post? In 20 minutes the candidate you gave a big, sloppy wet kiss to is going to lose by double digits. Where is the soul searching? Where the analysis of how badly you midjudged this race?

Posted by: guest1 | November 3, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day, Obama will still be President, and Democrats will still have large majorities in the Senate and House. Period.

Posted by: rodneythecat | November 3, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really know any of the facts or do you all just spout off what you read and hear from propaganda journalists?
I would hate to know what many of you would have said when Washington or Lincoln were elected if the internet was around. I am betting that you can find dirt on every one of our past and present leaders. (I still always find it funny how much we love JFK, even though in todays standards he would probably would be impeached!)

Posted by: ai3di | November 3, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama won because he ran an excellent disciplined campaign, and for no more important reason.

And today is November 3rd, which means that Obama has kept the country safe 54 days longer than Bush did

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

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I totally agree that he won only because of a good election so we're good on that point.

As for keeping us safe, we haven't been attacked directly because our enemy is already in the White House. The terrorists have a better friend in power than the American people do. Why would they want to screw that up?

BTW: It's great that he sent his brothers in Gitmo the H1N1 vaccine that even American kids can't get.

Nice...

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Yes. I'm referring to ACORN's fraudulent registration of dead people, celebrities as well as most of the Disney characters.

All for Democracy, yes?

Posted by: RobParker"

So you're saying that someone registered under the name Mickey Mouse came up to sign in at the polling place, handed them an ID that says "Mickey Mouse," the official at the polling place was like "duhhh, looks good to me" and then the person went and voted?

That's what you're saying happened?

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Granting even the most extreme form of the argument that these three races are about local politics, a Republican sweep would still have this troubling message for Democrats:

One year removed from 2008's results, most voters regard George W. Bush and his administration, but not Republican policies in general, as culpable for the messes from which we're still struggling to extricate ourselves.

In other words, a GOP sweep would suggest that there's been no realignment, no rethinking of fundamental beliefs, just a repudiation of one man's perceived incompetence.

I earnestly hope this isn't the outcome, but I fear that it will be.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | November 3, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I forgot, I also can sell $5,000 cars for $29K, run up unemployment way past the 8% I promised and spend 260K on every job I create or save. I also make lots of deadlines that everyone ignores. I will personally deliver a nuke to Iran for use against our arch foe Israel.

I went to an Ivy but produced no papers. I was an editor but produced no articles. I was a professor but wrote no scholarship. I did write two books but they weren't by me. I won some elections but not against anyone. I voted on issues but mostly just Present. I do read a mean teleprompter though. did I say that?
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Your too much. Do the same thing for Bush, or do you just want to forget all the dumb things he did and said and definatly you dont want to post his college education or resume either.
As for everything else, you expect too much. It was never yes I can. It was yes WE can. Most people cannot change their own lives around in a year, but you expect the President, not matter who it is, to change the lives of millions around in just a year!?
Are you out there making a difference or just sitting on your couch and pc critisizing while you drown yourself in booze and stuff your face full of cheetos?

Posted by: ai3di | November 3, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

And if you lean against a wall you CAN and COULD quantum-tunnel through it and end up on the other side.

Neither is likely.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

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GOP resurgence is much more likely than Democrats electing another completely fabricated candidate, devoid of any accomplishment who was the bought and sold product of the wealthy liberal elitists. And what's best is that people voted for him thinking that he would represent THEM.

hahahahaha

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

And if you lean against a wall you CAN and COULD quantum-tunnel through it and end up on the other side.

Neither is likely.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

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GOP resurgence is much more likely than Democrats electing another completely fabricated candidate, devoid of any accomplishment who was the bought and sold product of the wealthy liberal elitists. And what's best is that people voted for him thinking that he would represent THEM.

hahahahaha

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama won because blacks wanted free money without working. Period.

Posted by: ItsOver2 | November 3, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama won ONLY because he wasn't Bush and wasn't GOP. The party was brilliant enough to energize the least educated and most gullible of the electorate, and even a few dead people and fictional characters.

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You keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep nights.

Obama won because he ran an excellent disciplined campaign, and for no more important reason.

And today is November 3rd, which means that Obama has kept the country safe 54 days longer than Bush did after he decided to ignore the PDB warning of ObL and planes flown into buildings.

File that data point in your sleep queue.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"Obama won ONLY because he wasn't Bush and wasn't GOP. The party was brilliant enough to energize the least educated and most gullible of the electorate, and even a few dead people and fictional characters."

Fictional characters?

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Yes. I'm referring to ACORN's fraudulent registration of dead people, celebrities as well as most of the Disney characters.

All for Democracy, yes?

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Democrats CAN and COULD lose Congress in 2010 and the presidency in 2012.

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And if you lean against a wall you CAN and COULD quantum-tunnel through it and end up on the other side.

Neither is likely.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

No matter what you think, all we are doing is replacing one lying, swindleing, never holding up to what they tell us they will do politician for another.
Welcome to American democracy, where no matter how you vote, we all still lose.

Posted by: ai3di | November 3, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

No matter what you think, all we are doing is replacing one lying, swindleing, never holding up to what they tell us they will do politician for another.
Welcome to American democracy, where no matter how you vote, we all still lose.

Posted by: ai3di | November 3, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"Obama won ONLY because he wasn't Bush and wasn't GOP. The party was brilliant enough to energize the least educated and most gullible of the electorate, and even a few dead people and fictional characters."

Fictional characters?

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama may have slipped a little in popularity, but make no mistake. This country DESPISES Republicans for what they did to our country during the Bush administration.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

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The Democrats can only get so many "anti-Bush" passes to elect fabricated butt puppets before they run out of excuses.

Obama won ONLY because he wasn't Bush and wasn't GOP. The party was brilliant enough to energize the least educated and most gullible of the electorate, and even a few dead people and fictional characters.

Kudos to them.

Times are different now that the world can see what you actually elected although you didn't then.

The GOP has it's issues, for sure, but NOBODY can win without the moderates and the moderates won't elect another Obama.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

If OBAMA loses DEMOCRATIC New York, DEMOCRATIC Virginia and DEMOCRATIC New Jersey, his "presidency" IsOver2!!!!!!

Posted by: ItsOver2 | November 3, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The Repubs are becoming a marginalized regional party from the South.

Posted by: gce1356 | November 3, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

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By continuing to repeat that to yourself repeatedly out of the liberal playbook, it won't make it so..

Democrats CAN and COULD lose Congress in 2010 and the presidency in 2012.

You may want to re-create ACORN under another name. It seems to be the only way liberals can win an election.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This is pretty stupid. This is far more a referendum on Republicans than it is on Obama. Just look at how the Republicans are campaigning. They are really trying to hide the fact that they are Republicans. McDonnell is basically running as a RINO. Same with Christie. Hell, the RNC chased out the Republican candidate from NY-23. Hell, look at their websites. Bob McDonnell's webpage looks just like Obama's webpage. He might be Republican, but you won't know it by looking at his blue webpage. Christie's website is also Democratic blue. Is he Democrat? Is he Republican? Gosh, I can't tell from his webpage.

Obama may have slipped a little in popularity, but make no mistake. This country DESPISES Republicans for what they did to our country during the Bush administration.

McDonnell is downplaying his thesis despite the fact that he still espoused the ideals in his legislative tenure. Christie is trying to pretend he has no ties to the Bush administration.

Yeah, this is a referendum, but not on Obama. This is a referendum on whether you can win as a Republican running as a Republican. Sure as hell doesn't seem like it.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

What is that, nodebris? This place looks like someone turned over a rock and all these unspeakable creatures crawled out from under it..

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It's the same dumb nasty-grimies who drop in when Drudge links. Vicious dullards unable to accept the fact that not everyone hates as rabidly or as widely as they do.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Referendum? Not. Except in the fevered minds of MSM pundits.

Or, as the incomparable Bob Somerby at the Dailyhowler.com puts it:

"The night of the over-interpreters: Last Saturday, the children dressed as goblins and ghosts. They came to your door to scare and impress you with threats and silly tales.

Tonight belongs to the over-interpreters. Every four years, on this very night, these adults put costumes on too. They enter your homes with silly tales about the off-off-year elections in Virginia and New Jersey.

This year, a meaningless House race is thrown in the mix, providing room for more blather.

Is it possible to draw lessons about the nation’s political mood from today’s gubernatorial contests? Possibly. But it’s hard to say what those lessons might be—unless you’re watching cable “news,” in which case the lessons may be quite clear.

More specifically: If Corzine wins by one percent, it will surely mean some significant thing. If he loses by one point, it will mean something different.

Remember: These aren’t just the dumbest people on earth, they’re also over-paid entertainers."

Posted by: monk4hall | November 3, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

What is that, nodebris? This place looks like someone turned over a rock and all these unspeakable creatures crawled out from under it..

Posted by: drindl | November 3, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Just read the anger in the comments you've gotten. THAT's the undercurrent in this election and has nothing to do with Obama, No-nothing-ism rules. and I for one am scared. I smell fascism in the air. I just hope the media doesn't make too much of the wins and losses. The meaning will be determined by the commentator.

Posted by: manv | November 3, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this White House cares one iota what the country thinks - they have an ultra-left wing agenda

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(shades eyes, rotates head)

where are the peasant collectives?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"What the hell happened to this place today?"

Link on the home page and the place goes to h311.

Posted by: nodebris | November 3, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

Your last paragraph states:
"that the political strategists in the White House are keeping a very close eye on what happens today in New York, New Jersey and Virginia for signs of the country's mood toward the president and his agenda."


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I don't think this White House cares one iota what the country thinks - they have an ultra-left wing agenda that they want to jam down the throats of the nation and they really don't care if the country wants any of it.

In addition, they want to set it up so that there is no way to get out of the programs once they are created.

They feel they have the votes for a short time and they want to make permanent changes now.

It is time to wake up. There is nothing that was promised last year during the election.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | November 3, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

But, last night on BBC News you cautioned AGAINST reading a referendum on Obama into local races!

Posted by: jamshark70 | November 3, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

If the dems lose will it be because ACORN didn't get the memo or the moderates are more for a free America than for a free lunch.

Posted by: leapin | November 3, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

What the hell happened to this place today?

Posted by: Blarg

GoldAndTanzanite |
drindl |
koolkat_1960 |

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

What the hell happened to this place today?

Posted by: Blarg | November 3, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

finally the third stooge appears. where you been drivl? driving dead people to the polls? your cohorts in stupidity fled in cowardice when confronted by facts and wisdom. It wasn't really fair to expect that from them.

It is going to be a tough night for you. You Libs will be spinning so hard you will be dizzier then normal. Now let's see, is there a new word for lose that can be used to make it seem like a win? stay tuned.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Hoffman wins: Republicans are energized and push for more wingnuts to be nominated and more moderates to be marginalized

Hoffman loses: same as above 'cept in place of "energized" read "defiant"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

What this actually is, Chris is a referendum on Republicans. The purges of moderates are coming. Here's a partial list:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/03/armey-disruption-memo/#comments

MacGuffie has declared that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) are RINOs (Republicans in name only) who “have routinely abandoned or betrayed us.” Similarly, the next step of Armey’s agenda appears to be an intensified crusade to challenge moderate Republicans in primaries. The Politico reports that Rep. Bob Inglis (R-SC), Gov. Charlie Crist (R-FL), former Rep. Rob Simmons (R-CT) and other Republicans who have strayed from rigid party-line positions face primaries from candidates inspired by the tea parties and town hall disruption type tactics.

Posted by: drindl | November 3, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I forgot, I also can sell $5,000 cars for $29K, run up unemployment way past the 8% I promised and spend 260K on every job I create or save. I also make lots of deadlines that everyone ignores. I will personally deliver a nuke to Iran for use against our arch foe Israel.

I went to an Ivy but produced no papers. I was an editor but produced no articles. I was a professor but wrote no scholarship. I did write two books but they weren't by me. I won some elections but not against anyone. I voted on issues but mostly just Present. I do read a mean teleprompter though. did I say that?

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

matthews has a mancrush on republicans.

Posted by: drindl | November 3, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Repubs may win in VA, but the Dems will win in NY and NJ. That'll be representative of the approximate make-up on Congress, 2/3 Democratic.
The Repubs are becoming a marginalized regional party from the South.

Posted by: gce1356 | November 3, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

that's nothing, I can run a car company, design a health care system, organize the proper flow and criteria for energy, lose two wars, manage world peace, apologize to all foes, calm race relations, play golf every sunday, go on date nights, raise lots of money, pick out a dog, and I read a mean teleprompter.

I just can't decide.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Tingleboy Mathews has all the free lunchers groveling at his wet feet.

Posted by: leapin | November 3, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

@B2O2 - You keep using this word "scientific". I do not think it means what you think it means. As I'm conducting an electromodulation experiment at the moment, I think I'm qualified to judge.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 3, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I am an eastern, elitist, neocom. I am smarter than the founding fathers, more glib than Joe Biden, better looking and sexier than you.

Posted by: leapin | November 3, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

you're rght wboyd. Fatboy rush has all the wingers groveling at his fat feet.

Posted by: drindl | November 3, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

you need to learn the snotty, oh-so-superior chant:


"Do you know who I am?"

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

“Thought experiment ( liberals obviously excused):
What do you think all these kooky liberals would be saying about the national implications if the Liberals/Democrats, and by extension, Obama, were leading in every poll?
they would be out crowing to the rooftops about how this proves Obama is so popular and that everyone still loves him and supports his policies and wants him to succeed.’

Snowbama -Yes, they would be crowing in a hypocritical way. Their crowing would only be surpassed by their silence to E-GORE closing in on his first billion on his green business and government contracts. Imagine the furor if Palin was “making big E-Gore bucks” investing in oil exploration and off-shore drilling.

Posted by: leapin | November 3, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

In Virginia and NJ, sending a goofy message to the President is the selling point behind supporting clueless Bushies to escalate the damage of the last 8 years.

Posted by: revbookburn | November 3, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Thought experiment ( liberals obviously excused):

What do you think all these kooky liberals would be saying about the national implications if the Liberals/Democrats, and by extension, Obama, were leading in every poll?

they would be out crowing to the rooftops about how this proves Obama is so popular and that everyone still loves him and supports his policies and wants him to succeed.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm not the only one. I've seen this is several "news" outlets. Today's election tests the influence of the FNC and whether or not it has greater political pull than the RNC. If the FNC wins today, it will likely mount a much larger campaign (more nominees) in 2010. Even if the FNC loses in NY to the RNC, Fox & Associates has made the RNC so nervous that both Steele and Gingrich switched sides and are not proclaiming "don't taze me Rush!, I'm no moderate."

Posted by: wmboyd | November 3, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

“Hey Chris, could you fill us in on exactly what Creigh Deeds' epically feckless and uninspiring campaign has to say about Obama?”

It’s means he isn’t a charming speech reader but he is a NeoCom Statist just the same.

Posted by: leapin | November 3, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama has no economic or business experience except for buying cocaine.


AND you want him to restructure one-seventh of the US economy and create a massive government health care program ???

WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | November 3, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Chris and other reporters or pundits, these off-year elections have very little, if anything, to do with Obama or Republican political prospects next year. Anyone who thinks the results will be any kind of "referendum" on Obama, regardless of who wins, is ignoring rule number one of elementary politics - in off-year elections such as this where there are only a couple or few important elective offices being voted upon, politics and personalities are primarily local.

While I often think the GOP should go the way of the Know-Northing party, Obama and Democrats have too much hubris, as well as being susceptible to various special interest groups, to rule wisely as a one party government.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | November 3, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris, could you fill us in on exactly what Creigh Deeds' epically feckless and uninspiring campaign has to say about Obama?

Can we have some scientific evidence from a pundit, I mean, just ONCE in awhile? They spout this crap because they have nothing else to do. It doesn't give it any basis.

Posted by: B2O2 | November 3, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, thomgr, NY23 hasn't sent a Democrat to the House in over a hundred years, but did vote in favor of Obama. We're not talking a ruby red district in Utah here. Sometimes, a penny flips heads 11 times in a row.

As far as NoVa turnout, it was quite high last November and I was surprised at the number of voters at the polls this morning for an off year election. Most folks I know drop by on their way to or from work. And for those who can't, absentee ballots are available. To quote electoral law:

"Per § 24.2-700 of the Code of Virginia, the following registered voters may vote by absentee ballot in any election in which they are qualified to vote: ...Any person who, in the regular and orderly course of his business, profession, or occupation, will be at his place of work and commuting to and from his home to his place of work for eleven or more hours of the thirteen that the polls are open (6:00 AM to 7:00 PM)."

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 3, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The election in Virginia mark the beginning of the end of the Obama Pelosi Reid Soros Regime in the USA.

Independent voters are fed up with debt, taxes, spending, government takeovers and Euro sociaists.

The backlash begins now for 2010 and 2012!

Posted by: Patriot12 | November 3, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

What if this election has nothing to do with Obama what so ever. Do these so called "political experts" in the media think that that voters are just robots that vote the party line. What if the people simply voted their conscience on the issues and the character of the candidates irregardless of what they think of Obama and the job he is doing. Voters are capable of independant thought. They are people not poll results. WAKE UP! If we don't start looking at other options than Republican or Democrat then we will never break this cycle of power mongering.

Posted by: mjoy | November 3, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The Senate Democratic leader indicated Tuesday that lawmakers may not complete health care legislation this year, missing President Barack Obama's deadline on his signature issue and pushing debate into a congressional election year.


Even Senate Democrats are laughing at the boob. how many deadlines has it been?

I wonder what Korea and Iran think of their deadlines. I guess those serious consequences are coming any day now.

this delay, combined with the whooping that Obimbo is getting today, is going to send a chill through the Blue Dogs. color the Lib agenda dead. Label Obama a lame duck already. that didn't take long. the result of your first job ever actually making decisions other than voting present or not. yes DC is s rough place for the spineless.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"It seems to me that Virginia's early poll closing time (7 pm) would skew the results in favor of Republican candidates. Most Northern Virginians, who would typically vote Democrat, have long work hours and commutes. I imagine there's a quite a few who won't be able to vote because they're still at work, or stuck in traffic getting out of DC."

The disadvantages of being a government dependent.

Posted by: leapin | November 3, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Why why why are these elections any kind of referendum on the President other than to excite the media? And whatever the outcome, the interpretations will fit whoever is commenting and none of it will mean anything REAL about President Obama and the past 10 months. Please.

Posted by: manv | November 3, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Keep chasing away those Democrats that are not "pure" enough and you'll never come back." - John Edwards

Posted by: leapin | November 3, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Virginia's early poll closing time (7 pm) would skew the results in favor of Republican candidates. Most Northern Virginians, who would typically vote Democrat, have long work hours and commutes. I imagine there's a quite a few who won't be able to vote because they're still at work, or stuck in traffic getting out of DC.

Posted by: engineer_girl | November 3, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Do these writers ever play poker.

Let's see. The upper N.Y. district has not voted democratic since the civil war. Bet the size of the pot on the G.O.P. to win. Virginia historically has voted in a governor who is the opposite of the President's party. I am all in on a G.O.P. win. N.J. is a tough call but the economy will favor the G.O.P. there. Call a small bet.

That was not hard and I know nothing about the candidates or the influence of Obama.

Posted by: thomgr | November 3, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The Detroit News
The Obama administration is attempting to spin the tepid job creation sparked by the $787 billion federal stimulus program into an economic success. But the numbers don't add up to a good return for taxpayers. In fact, the numbers don't add up at all.

The administration will report this week that roughly 650,000 jobs have been created or saved on spending of $160 billion. The White House claims that may be a low-ball estimate and that real job impact may top 1 million.

But it may be far lower. The Associated Press checked the administration's initial jobs claims and found numerous exaggerations, duplicate counts and outright misstatements.

Even using the administration's more generous projection, it's still $160,000 spent for every job created or saved. In Michigan, the job-to-spending ratio is more skewed. The White House Web site, recovery.org, reports that Michigan has received $5.2 billion and has created or saved 22,500 jobs.

That's $231,000 for every job.


these jobs pay about 50K per year and most of them won't be around in a year. Where did the other 180K go? Maybe the same place the vaccines ended up. Or under the same rock the 5K cars that we paid 29K for. this is liberal oversight for ya.

Now just watch how much the "free" health care for a couple million illegals cost.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"My historic election, followed by my landmark inauguration kicked off an unprecedented burst of accomplishment beyond the wildest dreams of our forefathers," said Obama. "In just 365 days, we've already talked about restoring U.S. moral leadership, we've advanced proposals to transform our economy from the dysfunctional free market model, we've given speeches about reducing our dependence on foreign oil and creating a burgeoning green economy, we've promoted dialogue aimed at bringing quality health care to 47 million uninsured Americans, and we've expressed our intention to end George Bush's futile war in Iraq, and to conquer al Qaeda in Afghanistan."

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Yes, 40% conservative, 35% independent and 20% liberals

GOOD NEWS...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 3:43 PM
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38% Democrat, 20% Republican and 42% Independent

The terms "conservative" and "liberal" cut across party lines. Party affiliations do not.
_______________________________________

ROFL a Conservative Democrat is Practically an Oxymoron...
The poll just shows that many Conservatives are coming down on the liberal Democrats that have contaminated good police and the Conservative party....That's going to change....love the teabaggers a great party...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Even though the free lunchers are trying to spin it otherwise it is a referendum on the fantasy world and economics of today's NeoCom Statist Destructionist Party and the person who ran for POTUS but doesn't want to take responsibility once he obtained the position.

Posted by: leapin | November 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

President Obama marked the one-year anniversary of his election by announcing he would take a nine-month sabbatical "to rest and refresh after a grueling year of staggering accomplishment." The former college professor said fulfilling his campaign promises has been "exhausting, but satisfying," and he needs time to regroup, retool and make plans for his remaining seven years.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Just keep it cool, kat. The full rules are interpreted rather loosely around here (for example, degrades others on the basis of... sexual preference). Snowballs melt.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 3, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm just waiting for evidence of fiscally conservative Republicans. The Congressional caucus only got religion once it went into the wilderness. Great, it means a lot that you won't engage in deficit wasting six years of chances to show they could be responsible with the nation's credit card. Perhaps robparker should take a look at that beam in the Republican party's eye before finding splinters everywhere.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 3, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Like a simple Pavlovian dog. Just don't dangle underage boys in front of him/her.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

you could also call Loud and Dumb something like Ace McNumbnuts. She likes that. It is right on par with the intellectual and emotional maturity.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

That's it -- two full days of not responding to the idiot resident troll, but look how many posts he's tried to bait me with.

RobParker, for a rightwingnut drooler, you seem to have a modicum of brains, sorry to see you trying to get the idiot resident troll to like you.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Tax cuts could easily balance the budget and send the proper message to small business.

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The fact that you think more revenue can be gotten by CUTTING taxes goes a long way to explaining why you're institutionalized, and we're not.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"He must think I have a free check for him."

Sorry, charlie, but I'm not a trailer-trash Republican voter in a red state that gets back far more from the federal government than it contributes. Oh that's right, I forgot that your knowledge about your fellow Republicans is incredibly weak.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Not sure about the free check. they have never displayed any ability to count or manage thoughts beyond simple mud slinging and chanting Hmmmmm, hmmmmmm, hmmmmmm.

when someone else pays your bills all your life, you need not know much.

Just the mention of math or economics puts them into a stuttering rage. try it.

watch this:

Tax cuts could easily balance the budget and send the proper message to small business.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

No. But, if you're a Republican, you're looking for any light at the end of that dark, dark tunnel. Sorry but your time in the political wilderness is not over. It's not even beginning to be over. The way that Scozzafava was treated would seem to indicate a further fracturing of the Republican party. Keep chasing away those Republicans that are not "pure" enough and you'll never come back.

Posted by: Lefty_ | November 3, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

RobParker. I am only sorry you were not treated to the third member of the stooge triumverate - drivl. she is the queen of idiocy (although one of then others likes the name queen too). the level of utter ignorance contained in those tiny liberal brains could result in years of therapy or a decent PhD thesis on abherrent behavior.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

robparker, that is stooge number 2 you are engaged with. His best moniker is LOUD and DUMB. what are you, some sort of idiot magnet?

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

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He must think I have a free check for him.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"I can debate issues with you all day but if you have nothing but incessant name-calling, then you'll have convinced me that you (along with your liberal whackjob party), have no message or game.

The kool-aid is clouding your judgement and you fail to see that you and the rest of your sheeple have been hijacked."

Thanks for participating in The Fix today, Rob. Best of luck to you.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

robparker, that is stooge number 2 you are engaged with. His best moniker is LOUD and DUMB. what are you, some sort of idiot magnet?

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"In 2010 Democrats will face elections where Sarah Palin and others will take the stage to attack Democrats while extolling the virtues of Republicans."

That may happen, but first, Sarah Palin and others will take the stage to attack some Republicans while extolling the virtues of other Republicans.

You'll see it with Crist v. Rubio in Florida, Perry v. Hutchison in Texas, and in many other places as well.

In short, these people have completely ignored the advice of Ronald Reagan, their alleged hero. "First, thou shalt not attack other Republicans." Ooops!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Liberal method of debating:

Make some random assumption about your adversary, it need not be based on anything real

Attack them for that:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Since welfare recipients are overwhelmingly Republican this is an idle boast

you found the stupidest poster ever on the fix. trying to engage him in anything other than some sort of oral flatulation is pointless.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I was wrong about RobParker. He's not on crack. More likely LSD. That would explain the incredible fantasy world in which he clearly resides.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

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I can debate issues with you all day but if you have nothing but incessant name-calling, then you'll have convinced me that you (along with your liberal whackjob party), have no message or game.

The kool-aid is clouding your judgement and you fail to see that you and the rest of your sheeple have been hijacked.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Democrats are Incompetent and thieves....bye bye

Barack Hussein Obama Gone Gone Gone

Barack Hussein Obama Gone Gone Gone

The NEW song all Americans will be singing..

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes, 40% conservative, 35% independent and 20% liberals

GOOD NEWS...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 3:43 PM
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38% Democrat, 20% Republican and 42% Independent

The terms "conservative" and "liberal" cut across party lines. Party affiliations do not.

Posted by: Lefty_ | November 3, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Since welfare recipients are overwhelmingly Republican this is an idle boast

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

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Hard to tell since most welfare recipients are kids and since they can't vote, Obama probably isn't interested in them. But there probably are more Republicans just by sheer numbers but here's the racial breakdown:

White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It is one only if you are the GOP!

Posted by: AverageJane | November 3, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The 2008 America election was an error which also is not an election that's power struggle between White House and Islamic world. Actually Obama occupied the White House by illegal and unconstitutional foreign power money and because of pocketful of medias. Also at that time most of the Americans were extremely hate G.W Bush and Republicans. that condition had provided the opportunity for Obama to occupy the White House.
So he is not a right person for the White House also he can't lead to this nation with high profile. If you have great knowledge and high philosophy, it is easy to find out who is Obama and working for whom ?

Posted by: BellaLiberty | November 3, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that is important in this election is that it indicates the shape of the important election of 2010.

In 2010 Democrats will face elections where Sarah Palin and others will take the stage to attack Democrats while extolling the virtues of Republicans.

Republican candidates will introduce the speaker or more effectively will be at another election event.

A return to the old politics of the demagogues with the twist that the demagogues are not running for election but are front and center to aid the candidates that are running for office.

The legislation that Democrats put forth in Congress will determine how effective this new political strategy will be in 2010.

If Democrats in Congress propose legislation that clearly show that they are willing to deal directly with concerns of the majority of Americans they will succeed in 2010.

The Democratic support of the public option was in line with the majority of America.

Now the Democrats in Congress need the real reform of the financial systems that the majority of Americans want to see after trillions of dollars poured into banks that still can not lend.

It is totally up to the Democrats in Congress whether the new political strategy of the Republicans is effective or not.

Posted by: bsallamack | November 3, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

although i am not able to vote yet, i still see myself as a someone who is much more aware of politics and such compared to my fellow high schoolers. i live in virginia and am a democrat and would like to see creigh deeds in office but that is not possible whatsoever and it is NOT because of the president. it is because of that simple fact that nobody knows who he his. he ran a horrendous campaign. if i got all of my information from simply watching television as a lot of people do the only thing that i would know about creigh deeds is that bob mcdonnell said that deeds voted to raise taxes. bob mcdonnell pretty much ran two campaigns. most people probably know creigh deeds by what bob mcdonnell said. the only time i ever heard of creigh deeds campaigning in NOVA was when he went to king street blues. you are NOT going to win an election in virginia that way.

Posted by: metalhead4451 | November 3, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Dozens in Congress under ethics inquiry"

Obama is the Commander in Chief with No Military experience, He's the Chief Executive with No Executive experience, he has No business experience, NO economic experience, NO financial experience, No Foreign affair experience, No mayor, NO governor, Nothing. And he surrounds himself with Tax Cheats, Chicago thugs, incompetents, radical loony perverted Czars and has Democrat accomplices in congress that can't even READ the trillion dollar pork packages and Obama/Pelosi Government Crap Care they put their X on and inflict on Americans. He's quadrupled the deficit in months which hasn't stimulated a flea, just added to the already bloated government that will keep Americans in financial bondage for the unforeseeable future. His future polices of Cap and Trade and other onerous AGW hoax policies will further kill businesses especially small businesses and destroy the American dream and surrender the sovereignty of the United States. And his idea of redistribution of wealth is insane and has the mind­­­set of a Chicago thug.

Unemployment rising to 10%, Taxes on EVERYBODY will be rising(just watch, I mean EVERYBODY), Businesses in financial straits...


Should these incompetent thieves take over America's health care?
Not no but HELL NO!

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I was wrong about RobParker. He's not on crack. More likely LSD. That would explain the incredible fantasy world in which he clearly resides.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA ACTION ON CIVIL LIBERTIES WOULD HAVE BOOSTED NJ DEM TURNOUT

If President Obama had done more to fulfill his campaign promise to restore justice and the rule of law in the federal bureaucracy, notably the security/military/intel establishment, he would have given Jersey Dems a greater incentive to turn out to support a lackluster Governor with a less than impressive record on fiscal matters.

Even Bruce Springsteen sat this one out.


ATTN SEC. NAPOLITANO, AG HOLDER. DNI BLAIR:

STRONG EVIDENCE THAT WARRANTLESS SURVEILLANCE OF U.S. CITIZENS IS A PRETEXT TO HARASS AND CENSOR VIA TELECOMMUNICATIONS

Please click on this "ACLU Freedom Blog" link, scroll to the bottom and read up.

http://blog.aclu.org/2009/01/26/internet-filters-voluntary-ok-not-government-mandate

Unfortunately, recent examples of apparent censorship, malicious tampering and prior restraint have not shown up on the thread, despite the appearance of being posted immediately after submission.

Is Team Obama naive, misinformed, or complicit in the continuing misuse of telecommunications to harass and censor American citizens?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 3, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, 40% conservative, 35% independent and 20% liberals

GOOD NEWS...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Americans are angry.

==

Since you guys are down to 17% nobody gives a damn how angry you are. You're little more than a cult.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Of course it's a referendum against Karl Obama, what are you nuts?!

Posted by: SMWE357 | November 3, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

As for me, I'm sure that I've paid more in federal taxes this year than you've collected in welfar and unemployment combined.

==

Since welfare recipients are overwhelmingly Republican this is an idle boast

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The bottom is about to fall out on Obama - even you democrats will see him for what he is:


A person with no economic or business experience except for buying cocaine.


THAT'S who you have attempting to restructure one seventh of the US economy.

YIKES.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | November 3, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Liberal method of debating:

Make some random assumption about your adversary, it need not be based on anything real

Attack them for that:

Example: you wear a dress, anyone who wears a dress is old fashioned and clueless.

you work in a 7-11, I am better then you

Here's a favorite:
you are blogging from your mother's basement, get a life.

you will notice this lets them off the hook from any actual debate based on fact or reality. Can you blame them. Imagine coming to a battle of wits completely defenseless.

Carry on.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

When I saw some of the radicals and extremists that Obama chose as his advisors/czars I realized that his past relationships with radicals were not the casual associations he claimed during the election.

He admitted in "Dreams From My Father" that his friends were the "Marxist Professor" types and I believe that most of America just assumed he had matured and changed since then. We were wrong, he’s still a closet radical.

Posted by: hunter340 | November 3, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"I would venture to say that most self-proclaimed conservatives are more fiscal than social."

I would advise people not to invest in your venture, ant. The frothing mobs that now control the GOP are social conservatives first and foremost. You seem very out of touch with your own party, mayfly.

___________________________________________

I'm not out of touch. I know what they are. But at least I can see the forest for the trees. You're unable to do that.

Your party sold itself as centrist and you bought radial socialism and won't admit it.

The Democratic party has been hijacked by a base of radicals that do not even remotely represent the majority of Americans.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

See what I'm talking about OBAMA ONE OF THE WORLD'S FINEST MEN...and little robby-slobby goes and look for a photo of Obama that's makes him look posess by the Republican GOP....

WHY ARE THE MEDIA FORCE-FEEDING US PEOPLE LIKE CILLIZA , TODD, GREGORY AND LEMON...

Obviously, these are companies boys and will do whatever to take because these are the type you won't see fighting the battles that our soldiers fight!

THEY STAY HOME LIKE THAT COWADICE CHENEY AND GO ON THE AIR-WAYS GIVING US THEIR CLUELESS IN-EXPERIENCED OPINIONS!!!

THE MEDIA SHOULD NO LONGER BE THAT OF ONLY WHITE MEN AND WOMEN WITH A TOKEN BLACK AND HISPANIC THROWN IN FOR "QOUTAS"

I CHALLENGE A NEWS STATION TO HAVE A LINE-UP THAT REFLECTS MORE THAN ONE OR TWO BLACK AND HISPANIC ANCHOR PERSON.

AND THEY COULD SAY ALL THE WHILE THAT IT DON'T MATTER WHAT PEOPLE LIKE I WRITE OR SAY...TRUST ME WHEN IT START REFLECTING THE BOARD MEMBERS STOCK AND RATINGS...

IT WILL MATTER!!!!


Posted by: danson1
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The only attributes I would like to see reflected by newspeople are HONESTY and TALENT. These traits, unfortunately, exclude your rambling, illiterate, incoherent drivel.

What happened to race, religion, etc having nothing to do with a matter? It's not important, remember?

Posted by: htmn03 | November 3, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Americans are angry.

They are angry about the eleven trillion dollar debt that the liberal policies of President Obama and the Democrats have imposed upon their children, their grandchildren and their great grandchildren.

They're angry that Obama is bailing out everyone except the taxpayer even as the tax payer pays for the bailouts.

They are also angry about the mess that the Democrats are making of health care reform.

And they are very angry about President Obama's inclination to promise one thing while doing the opposite.
Does this man ever keep his word on anything?!

Seniors are particularly angry that the Democrats and President Obama want to eliminate Medicare Advantage and cut Medicare by half a trillion dollars.

President Obama has campaigned for the Democratic candidate in Virginia while that candidate has attempted to disassociate himself from the president.
He had to. He wanted to get elected.

President Obama has campaigned for the Democratic candidate for governor in New Jersey and the Democrats have even pushed the independent candidate in an attempt to prevent the Republican candidate from winning.

Is this a referendum on President Obama and the liberals running congress?
You'd better believe it!

Americans are angry and they're going to let Obama and the Democrats know what they think of their liberal policies in today's election.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | November 3, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

What this shows is we as voters treat our politicians the way we treat celebrities. We like them when they are a fresh face we build them up to star proportions then just like we build them up we enjoy tearing them down just as much. As the case of Obama. Most of you only voted for him because your only other choices were McCain and Palin and you wanted to avoid further embarrassment by making us as voters look that dumb by going from Bush to them. But remember republicans, if you had done your job while you were in power would you be on blogs complaining about a President Obama? Think about it..

Posted by: ged0386 | November 3, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If conservatism is on the rebound in Virginia then why does McDonnell need to hide from his actual positions?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse


Knowing what Obama has already accomplished in his young life, compared with a bitter loser nobody like you, this is pretty funny. Are you on crack?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

___________________________________________

Oh yeah, you're right. He did win a Nobel for breathing.

As for me, I'm sure that I've paid more in federal taxes this year than you've collected in welfar and unemployment combined.

I have something to lose with Obama's socialist agenda, you have everything to gain. I get it...

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"I would venture to say that most self-proclaimed conservatives are more fiscal than social."

I would advise people not to invest in your venture, ant. The frothing mobs that now control the GOP are social conservatives first and foremost. You seem very out of touch with your own party, mayfly.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"I would venture to say that most self-proclaimed conservatives are more fiscal than social."

I would advise people not to invest in your venture, ant. The frothing mobs that now control the GOP are social conservatives first and foremost. You seem very out of touch with your own party, mayfly.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Washington Post - Projected Deficit

In the first independent analysis, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded that President Obama's budget would rack up massive deficits even after the economy recovers, forcing the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

Posted by: hunter340 | November 3, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Knowing what Obama has already accomplished in his young life,

I can beat that. I picked out two dogs.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't you guys get it???


BOTH parties are filled with extremists - who are going to hurt the country.
________________________________________

You got that wrong Jack. It's the radical Obamination of America that will put Americans in bondage to a Much Bigger and more intrusive Government that will steal your money and your freedoms. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were designed to protect us from the Obamination. They wisely crafted them to protect us FROM government and to LIMIT it's power. Obama is going in the wrong direction and Americans are waking up...

Now go back to ACORN and tell them you failed...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Working at 7-11 really doesn't make you much of a capitalist, cletus. Pretty funny stuff, though.

==

Funny how all these minimum-wage goopers like to think that any day now they'll be lunching with Donald Trump.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

This is not a referrendum on Obama, at least in Va (I can't speak to the other races). If Creigh loses it is because he ran a dreadful campaign, and McDonnell ran a pretty good one. McDonnell is, unfortunately, positioning himself to be a national player if he pulls this off... the guy that turned Va red again.

Unfortunately, the talking heads on both sides will try to make it a referrendum on Obama because that is a hell of a lot more interesting than a state-wide or district race, and in an odd-numbered year, these races present the only real politics to talk about. So they will be analyzed to death and spun till they are dizzy... we have nothing better to do until next year.

I suppose if Corzine embraced Obama and won, and Creigh was less enthusiastic in courting Obama support and lost, it may send the message to moderates to line up with the President. (Again, I don't think it really matters for '10, but some people will read to much into it and act accordingly.)

Posted by: MShake | November 3, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

As a Democrat I voted in VA today for Deeds et.al however I fully expect him to lose for the following reasons;
1. McDonnel has run a Mark Warner/Tim Kaine campaign message that Virginians like, regardless of it being who he is (I am sure Republicans would make the same claims against Warner and Kaine)
2. Deeds has run a lacklustre borderline inept campaign and failed to spend enough time in NOVA where the election is decided.
3. The economic realities always hurth the incumbent party (in this case 2 terms of Dem Governors).
4. Kaine has been an absentee Governor since landing the plum gig at the DNC
5. All the Obama voters who thought it was another version of American Idol probably do not even know there is an election going on and certainly won't bother to get their butt to the polls for someone lacking in sex appeal like Deeds - maybe they would have for McAuliffe?

Posted by: wat4 | November 3, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the Conservative Party in New York always has candidates on the ballot, as does the Liberal Party.


Many times, candidates appear on the ballot under two parties, reflecting two party endorsements.


New York election law works a little differently than you might expect.

Posted by: 37thand0street | November 3, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Keep running liberal candidates on social issues and the next few years are going to be GREAT for the GOP."

If you don't care about social issues, why would you care if a candidate was liberal on social issues as long as he had a good plan for jobs and the economy?

Can't you keep your own simpleminded stories straight, cletus?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

___________________________________________

Since you asked grasshopper, I'll teach you. This may be tough for you to comprehend since most liberals are born with just enough brain capacity to be programmed with whatever the party tells you, BUT, here goes..

there are different kinds of conservatives. Some are social conservatives (typically your far right religious base), some are fiscal conservatives (not necessarily religious but believe in smaller government, low taxes, more free market economy) and some are both, social and fiscal.

I would venture to say that most self-proclaimed conservatives are more fiscal than social.

I'd elect a fiscal conservative over a social conservative but if a candidate were both, I'd still elect him over a liberal.

As for your question, if there ever WERE such a thing as a Democrat who was socially liberal but fiscally more conservative, I might elect him but they're not Democrats. We call them RINOS.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Of course, they could not show much about Obama too.

I love the way newspaper headline writers try to tell me what to think, all to have some sort of story to fill their pages.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | November 3, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

It is one only if you are the GOP!

Posted by: AverageJane | November 3, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey G&T, .....................He'll go away like joked did.

Posted by: koolkat_1960

Awww, how cute. Mo and curly made friends. even after that eyeball poking trick. Be careful though curly, I have a funny feeling about the exact idea of what this particular Mo has in mind for you.

they miss their daily fix of complete idiocy and the exchanges they used to have with Jake. It is after all, their preferred method of communication. try to find a single intelligent post. I dare you. Even drivl has fled. Like a two legged stool. I know, don't say stool around NAMBLA.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey G&T, try ignoring the resident troll. It gets easier once you start. He'll keep trying to bait you, but just ignore him. Notice that few people are responding to him at all. He'll go away like joked did.

==

No, he won't go away, he has nothing else to do.

Have no fear, there'll be no back and forth, I just enjoy pointing out that for all his rage and hate he is at the end of the day a mental patient. That completely erodes any imaginary high ground he likes to think he stands on.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"But you're wrong. If you agree with Obama, then you're a welfare socialist who never succeeded at anything but failure, just like him."

Knowing what Obama has already accomplished in his young life, compared with a bitter loser nobody like you, this is pretty funny. Are you on crack?

"I personally don't care about abortion or gay marriage. I'm a capitalist. Democrats aren't."

Working at 7-11 really doesn't make you much of a capitalist, cletus. Pretty funny stuff, though.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does everyone keep forgetting that, at least in Virginia, the Governorship is always held by someone in the opposite political party as the President? And aren't Corzine's problems all self-inflicted? And hasn't NY-23 been Republican since, oh I don't know, THE CIVIL WAR! Democrats managing to win in any of these races would be an upset, and a Republican sweep only shows that the Democrats aren't all powerful, as if we didn't know that already. Obama's political machine is nowhere near its' peak strength from 2008 and nowhere near where it will be when he is working to defend Congressional Dems in 2010. People are just venting for various reasons, and anyone who associates any kind of national trend to these races is just MORONIC, plain and simple.

Posted by: pchase1 | November 3, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama's influence. Nah. As the saying goes, he can fool some of the people some of the time, fool all of the people some of the time, but he cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Please go away Mr. Obama. People are beginning to see you as the fake that you are.

Posted by: jemvbcarmagh06 | November 3, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell and Hoffman wins would be great for Democrats. These guys are not conservatives in the Goldwater sense who would merely impoverish their states' safety nets and infrastructure .. these are hard-right wingnuts which is to say busybodies whose greatest concerns would be the legislation of Christian conservative morality. Not only will they waste legislative time on pelvic tangents like gay adoption, they will aggressively ignore real work since they'll see their elections as mandates to turn the clock back to 1899.

By 11/10 there will be fresh evidence that conservatives can't govern, just in case memories of Bush are fading.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Loud and Dumb, if you must simply must display your utter ignorance and stoopidity, try TYPING IN ALL CAPS, instead of posting everything twice. we have no need to double down on moronic behavior. no one here has any doubt of your brainlessness, repeating it is somewhat redundent.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Please, you pathethic lying sack of crap. If McDonnell said anything about expanding abortion rights, you'd be leading the lynch mob.

You're not fooling anyone, drooling wingnut.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

___________________________________________

Were you beat up a lot at school? Obviously, you have a major inferiority complex which, since you're a flaming liberal, I totally understand.

But you're wrong. If you agree with Obama, then you're a welfare socialist who never succeeded at anything but failure, just like him.

I personally don't care about abortion or gay marriage. I'm a capitalist. Democrats aren't.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey G&T, try ignoring the resident troll. It gets easier once you start. He'll keep trying to bait you, but just ignore him. Notice that few people are responding to him at all. He'll go away like joked did.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Not much to work with here today. Lots of angry people on the right and left calling each other names. Hope that's good for you, I guess.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 3, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The media is very predictable at trying to make a story where none exists. Deeds should never have won the primary and would not have in a two person race. He has run a terrible campaign and did not align himself with Obama when asked a direct question about that matter. Corzine has a lot of baggage from 4 years as governor. He will rise and fall based on his own merit. The NY 23rd District has been a Republican District since the Civil War. While there is technically no Republican candidate in the race now, the opposition to the Democratic candidate is a proxy. Obama needs to deliver on health care, financial regulatory reform, energy and education. He will face a solid wall of Republican opposition as he tries to do so.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | November 3, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Keep running liberal candidates on social issues and the next few years are going to be GREAT for the GOP."

If you don't care about social issues, why would you care if a candidate was liberal on social issues as long as he had a good plan for jobs and the economy?

Can't you keep your own simpleminded stories straight, cletus?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Don't you guys get it???


BOTH parties are filled with extremists - who are going to hurt the country.


All you want to do is snipe at each other.

The democratic radicals are about to create a massive government program that the country can NOT afford - the entire country should be alarmed.


The ONLY that slowed the extremists down is they stopped to pass a cap-and-trade bill which will DOUBLE your electric bill.


What is wrong with this picture?

What is wrong with you that you are not opposed to this??

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | November 3, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"So which of the three answers would you use koolkat?

I'd say that " you dunno", since your response is typical of an illiterate hack who is too stupid to know he made a mistake so you call others names to make yourself feel better about your horrible decision. Just like your messiah. Duck responsibility, blame the GOP and spend more money."

So the rightwingnut who calls people illiterate hacks doesn't like being called names.

I've seen your work on many message boards, dummy. These posts are representative of the gibberish you spew on a daily basis, most of which includes plenty of name-calling.

So basically, you're just another rightwingnut lying hypocrite drooler.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"So which of the three answers would you use koolkat?

I'd say that " you dunno", since your response is typical of an illiterate hack who is too stupid to know he made a mistake so you call others names to make yourself feel better about your horrible decision. Just like your messiah. Duck responsibility, blame the GOP and spend more money."

So the rightwingnut who calls people illiterate hacks doesn't like being called names.

I've seen your work on many message boards, dummy. These posts are representative of the gibberish you spew on a daily basis, most of which includes plenty of name-calling.

So basically, you're another rightwingnut lying hypocrite drooler.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

You're not fooling anyone, drooling wingnut.

Posted by: koolkat_1960


two whole sentences. still without a shred of intelligence or content, but for you, Loud and dumb, that is immense progress

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

when it comes to our respective merits,
Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite

Trolling the playground for sleepover candidates is not a "merit" despite being your only skill.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"That's where the Democrats trip themselves. Most conseravtives don't give a rat's a** about social issues as much as they do about jobs and the economy.

Keep running liberal candidates on social issues and the next few years are going to be GREAT for the GOP.

Dummies."

Please, you pathethic lying sack of crap. If McDonnell said anything about expanding abortion rights, you'd be leading the lynch mob.

You're not fooling anyone, drooling wingnut.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you should go back to sleep.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite


Says the idiot stooge who still thinks its 1965.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Good one. you stooges always make me laugh.

==

Dude, you're locked up in a mental institution. You can call us whatever names you like but when it comes to our respective merits, the world has spoken.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama better hope it's not a referendum on him...it will be a lose for sure for the Democrats...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Is there nothing MSNBC can’t spin? A graphic on Tuesday’s Morning Meeting hopefully announced, ''NY-23: Win-Win For Dems?'' Apparently, even if Democrats lose the special congressional election in New York to Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, it will just show how extreme the Republican Party has become. (Snip) The interview seemed very similar to one that appeared on Friday’s Situation Room on CNN.

up is down, saved is created, warming is cooling, killing is choice...

The upside down world of liberalism

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Most conseravtives don't give a rat's a** about social issues as much as they do about jobs and the economy.

==

Have a nice nap, Rip? There've been some changes while you were asleep ... there are no more conservatives, there is only eclectic group of various crazies. Economic crazies who believe money can think and should be allowed to operate on its own, social-crazies who care more about gays and abortion than anything that actually matters, and nutbars who carry guns and talk about revolution.

As for jobs, those who wear the label "conservative" are more concerned with giving tax breaks to people who outsource to India and China than they are with seeing Americans go back to work.

Maybe you should go back to sleep.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

(I think)..... the board is much better today.

Posted by: koolkat_1960

Good one. you stooges always make me laugh.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Please, einstein. McDonnell is a very apologetic conservative. He ran to the center, very skillfully. He had to be to get moderate votes. You rightwingnuts will be disappointed when he ignores your social issues while in office.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

___________________________________________

That's where the Democrats trip themselves. Most conseravtives don't give a rat's a** about social issues as much as they do about jobs and the economy.

Keep running liberal candidates on social issues and the next few years are going to be GREAT for the GOP.

Dummies.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The right are making much of the VA race since it is not and has never been even close. The NY 23 is the most bizzarro world case of big money buying a seat to make a statemenet, and a statement that means nothing. rs outnumber Democrats in that district 2-1, so a conservative not winning by a landslide is tha only story that would be noteworthy.

The NJ race is one of local issues. garden State folks who usually vote Democrat are hammered by the bush recession and especially hit hard by the Wall Street near collapse brought on by the failure of republicon ideaoloigy. But all they really see is that the state is hurting and they blame the guy in charge. We'll see if they are dumb enough to vote for a stupid versio of bush -- yes christy makes dubya look like a rhodes scholar, and makes cheney look honest. If there are sufficient numbers of New Jerseyans who vote that way they are going to be like the frat boy who wakes up in the morning and wonders how that dude in the dress got in his bed.....

Posted by: John1263 | November 3, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"Ask the typical Obama voter in 2008 why they voted for him and they'll say something typical of "he was black" or "it was historical" or "I dunno"

That's why this country is in trouble. Clearly too many liberal retards."

Clearly too many lying scumbag rightwingnut freaks on this board. Do you think any believes your garbage, freak?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

___________________________________________

So which of the three answers would you use koolkat?

I'd say that " you dunno", since your response is typical of an illiterate hack who is too stupid to know he made a mistake so you call others names to make yourself feel better about your horrible decision. Just like your messiah. Duck responsibility, blame the GOP and spend more money.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Of course it's a referendum against Karl Obama!

Posted by: SMWE357 | November 3, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama has not stuck to his own campaign pledges.

Obama has not been transparent


Obama has not been post-partisan


Obama has not been post-racial


Obama has been a COMPLETE FRAUD to his own campaign program.

So what are the voters supposed to think, and how are they to react???


He isn't really doing what he said he would do in Afghanistan either.

The whole Obama campaign last year was a complete FRAUD.

The country did NOT vote for a far-left wing agenda - and the sooner everyone realizes that, the better the country will be off.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | November 3, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

nodebris: at least the newcomers are helping drown out the resident troll. I think the board is much better today.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Why no mention of the Gay Marriage People's Veto in Maine?

Posted by: lancediverson | November 3, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"McDonnell is an unapologetic conservative who excites the base very much, is a great campaigner who has focused on jobs, transportation and has taken advantage of the national environment."

Please, einstein. McDonnell is a very apologetic conservative. He ran to the center, very skillfully. He had to be to get moderate votes. You rightwingnuts will be disappointed when he ignores your social issues while in office.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

You get a link on the homepage and all the riffraff start pouring in . . .

Posted by: nodebris | November 3, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Bush screwed the country over for eight years and the republicans wonder why Obama can't fix all the problems they created in ten months. The republican party is a joke, their leaders are all clowns and if they ever regain power we'll all be screwed again.

Posted by: blarsen1 | November 3, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Since 1977 Virginia has always voted for a candidate of the oposite party to the US President; if Virginia votes for a Democratic party candidate, does it mean the GOP is dead as a nationaly electable party?

With only 17% of the electorate identifying them selves as Republican has the GOP got any future?

Is it the America hating Limbaugh sycophants or the NeoConMen that are driving Conservatives away from the Republican party?

With conservatives being prevented from running as candidates by the America hating Limbaugh sycophants and other extremists under the NeoConMen who seized control of the GOP; can indipendents be conned into voting for the NeoConmen again?

With many conservaties no longer able to define them self as Republicans and maybe looking to payback a party that has ditched conservative values; will NeoConMen attempts to get out the vote backfire?

Posted by: walker1 | November 3, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Give Obimbo a break. the hardest decision he ever made up to and including this year was picking out a dog. and that took months. give him time.

As soon as he figures out whether to wear black or brown shoes, he'll figure out the rest of the stuff.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Ask the typical Obama voter in 2008 why they voted for him and they'll say something typical of "he was black" or "it was historical" or "I dunno"

That's why this country is in trouble. Clearly too many liberal retards."

Clearly too many lying scumbag rightwingnut freaks on this board. Do you think any believes your garbage, freak?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell is an unapologetic conservative who excites the base very much, is a great campaigner who has focused on jobs, transportation and has taken advantage of the national environment.

==

You're not talking about Virginia, you're talking about some fantasy in your own head.

McDonnell is a far-right conservative whose only concern about jobs will be shipping them overseas, and who will be far too busy with pelvic issues to do any good for the state.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The elections are relevant only because the DC beltway thinks so and that could have an impact on the health care debate. If Corzine manages to win, and Garamendi wins the special election in CA, then that will offset a likely Dem loss in VA or a Palinite win in upstate NY. A wash is a win for Obama, though the NY Congressional race should have never been considered a Dem pickup because that district has been GOP for decades. Deeds can be written off as yet another Dem who runs away from his party to appease Republicans and gets beaten. It's a recurring theme but for some reason centrist Democrats don't understand the value of standing up for the party's beliefs.

Posted by: khyber900 | November 3, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats elected a completely fabricated puppet in 2008 knowing absolutely NOTHING about him and they have the nerve to suggest that conservatives don't know who they're voting for?

That's rich.

Ask the typical Obama voter in 2008 why they voted for him and they'll say something typical of "he was black" or "it was historical" or "I dunno"

That's why this country is in trouble. Clearly too many liberal retards.

Posted by: RobParker | November 3, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

If the folks run on Obama's record, THEY WILL LOSE!!

Whatever he has touched has turned into a mess! TARP, Stimulus, Auto Bailouts, Cash for Clunkers, NO Jobs, H1N1 Vaccine, Afghanistan, Professor Gates, Health Bill, More NO Jobs, The Olympic Bid, Iran, North Korea, MORE NO Jobs, Europe's latest impression of the US -- Especially Sarkozy, GITMO, and More NO Jobs.

Given his PROMISE of transparency, would he please share with the US the algorithms
he uses in determining "OBAMA JOBS SAVED"??

He does not have the common decency to accept responsibility for his sophomoric actions -- throwing one contender under the bus two weeks before the election -- (Deeds -- Virginia).

BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST WITH YOURSELF:

Would you tie your wagon to this donkey????????????????

Posted by: wheeljc | November 3, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

AP - Afghanistan's president welcomed his new term — achieved after his main opponent withdrew from a runoff election — by reaching out to opponents Tuesday and promising to banish the corruption that has undermined his administration.

Can anyone find a sliver of difference between their bumbling fool and ours?

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

November 2008 was a referendum on Republican leadership. Republicans failed the test. Today's elections are to see which states are backwards and which are not. Have a question? Ask your clergyman.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | November 3, 2009 2:32 PM | R
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November 2008 was America's first UN-fair and UN-free election in our history where our liberal MSM wolfpack press, Hollywood, and our liberal colleges used NAZI-like proganda to "move the masses", 53% to be exact. Hilter was installed/elected the same way in Germany during the 1930's.

Today's elections will reflect the de-contamination effort going on in the remaining FREE news outlets around America.

And We The People will be sending more messages to the elites in our Mass left-wing media in 2010 and 2012.........

Stay tuned........no justice no peace liberals.........

Have a question? Ask an Ape.....

Posted by: allenridge | November 3, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

My hope is that more republicans drop out of races and we see more of the wacko conservative party emerge. These are the craziest of the crazies. Birthers, deathers, teabaggers...BRING'EM ON!!

Posted by: blarsen1 | November 3, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Let's assume you, the voter, have some misgivings about the sudden and drastic left turn the country took last year after being promised centrism, moderation and competence, none of which has materialized. you attempt to voice your concerns in the press. they refuse to publish anything contrary to the leftist slant.

you attend town hall meetings with your congressman. those in charge label you a mob and nazi like.

you watch alternative programming (Fox News) to feel a sense of belonging, sending those ratings through the roof.

you have no alternative left but to vote:

Not D.

that is the way to send the message that is provided to you, and only that way. Hence the mass rightward turn to this election. Stop the socialist madness! how else can that message be transmitted?

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Gee. A Conservative is likely to win a safe Conservative seat in New York, a Republican is likely to win a govenorship in a state that always votes in govenors that are from the opposite party as the last White House winner and there is a possibility that a challenger will unseat an unpopular govenor. Yep! That's a revolution!

Posted by: Lefty_ | November 3, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

November 2008 was a referendum on Republican leadership. Republicans failed the test. Today's elections are to see which states are backwards and which are not. Have a question? Ask your clergyman.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | November 3, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree that VA and NJ swinging Republican is significant and a bellwether for the mood of the country. All politics may be local, but if local politics start swinging one direction, you can't ignore the implications on national sentiment and what that means for 2010. With that said, NJ and VA also demonstrate that democrats need to put a little more effort into their campaigns. I think coasting to victory in 2008 on a wave of anti-incumbent sentiment must have made them soft and sluggish because the VA campaign is about the worst that I have ever seen. Democrats shot themselves in the foot by running Deeds. He is an atypical politician but not in a good way. When your opponents most effective attack ads are video of you speaking, you know you're in trouble. When you think your most effective line of attack on your opponent is a thesis he wrote in college, you should start packing your bags. When your desperation ads are Obama footage, you are wasting donor campaign funds and should go home. The Deeds campaign was painful to watch.

Posted by: anjos | November 3, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama will wait til AFTER the election to determine if it's a referendum on him...
ROFL, when the Stock Market was way down, he said that it was not a good indicator of his pseudo stimulus, BUT when the Stock Market had a rally and went up, he said the Stock Market was then an indicator of stimulus...

He's the Monday Morning quarterback...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"In New Jersey, Gov. Jon Corzine (D) did everything within his power to associate himself with the popular Obama in the minds of voters...." Chris at the POST

......Chris there is a concept that you and your fellow liberal pals around the country, in our press, hollywood, and colleges need to start warming up to and that is Obama ISN'T popular anymore.

You must be reading the COOKED Washington POST poll.

According to the Rasmussen poll, the most accurate in America, Obama's approvals are at 46%..............sorry Chris.

Posted by: allenridge | November 3, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

A nation teetering on the brink of depression, a sick banking system, two open-ended wars, virtually no promised change in health care delivery and all President Obama can point to are bills criminalizing thought("hate" crimes)and free movement of foreign AIDS positive individuals within our general population. However, Americans desiring another drink of the poison(Republicans) that made em sick in the first place is still quite a stretch..

Posted by: slim2 | November 3, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

VA full of military families do support the president that has helped them with a 30% increase in veteran's benefits and increased pay/bonuses. That won't help Creeds since the Governor has nothing to do with it and ran a poor campaign. He lost Atty Gen. to the sme man whose military service bonafides go a long way in the state. Corzine went from down a lot in August to even on election day. Obama did make 3 trips to NJ on his behalf, so his defeat would be a slight referendum on the CIC. Hoffman not winning big or worse a loss would end the far rights influence on policy and platform. Biden stumped in the 23rd and made his Palin comment. A GOP sweep of all three would in my view put 2010 candidates too much to the right on platform to win. The 2010 will not hinge on this election, but how many jobs have returned.

Posted by: jameschirico | November 3, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I do have to say that it's almost a given that McDonnell, Bolling & Cuccinelli will sweep in Virginia. Then, to hand McDonnell even more power, Republicans will pick up seats in the House of Delegates. Huge gains & wins for conservatism in Virginia. I think Virginia is a product of the political environment partially. The other part is that McDonnell is an unapologetic conservative who excites the base very much, is a great campaigner who has focused on jobs, transportation and has taken advantage of the national environment.

In New Jersey, it is clearly a referendum...not on Obama or congress. The referendum is on Gov. Corzine. In fact, the only thing that even kept Corzine in the game is Obama. If Corzine loses, then Obama has expended some of his political capital in a losing effort...which hurts considering he could have used that capital on health care reform right now. If Corzine wins, however, it proves Obama's political clout and is a victory for him.

In NY-23, I think this is the best indication in terms of a referendum on Washington, DC. Has society really turned hard right? Will Owens be able to capture that seat from Republican hands, which would be an upset? What does it say that Republicans endorsed the conservative party candidate, Hoffman, over one of their own in Scozzafava? That will be an indicator of the national environment.

Posted by: reason5 | November 3, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

See what I'm talking about OBAMA ONE OF THE WORLD'S FINEST MEN...and little robby-slobby goes and look for a photo of Obama that's makes him look posess by the Republican GOP....

WHY ARE THE MEDIA FORCE-FEEDING US PEOPLE LIKE CILLIZA , TODD, GREGORY AND LEMON...

Obviously, these are companies boys and will do whatever to take because these are the type you won't see fighting the battles that our soldiers fight!

THEY STAY HOME LIKE THAT COWADICE CHENEY AND GO ON THE AIR-WAYS GIVING US THEIR CLUELESS IN-EXPERIENCED OPINIONS!!!

THE MEDIA SHOULD NO LONGER BE THAT OF ONLY WHITE MEN AND WOMEN WITH A TOKEN BLACK AND HISPANIC THROWN IN FOR "QOUTAS"

I CHALLENGE A NEWS STATION TO HAVE A LINE-UP THAT REFLECTS MORE THAN ONE OR TWO BLACK AND HISPANIC ANCHOR PERSON.

AND THEY COULD SAY ALL THE WHILE THAT IT DON'T MATTER WHAT PEOPLE LIKE I WRITE OR SAY...TRUST ME WHEN IT START REFLECTING THE BOARD MEMBERS STOCK AND RATINGS...

IT WILL MATTER!!!!

Posted by: danson1 | November 3, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

This year all politics are local... the Washington Press should quit gnashing their teeth in some vainglorious attempt to find a meta-narrative in every election. Blue-dog Democrats should pay close attention... energize your base or feel the boot of the voter.

Posted by: gjcomm | November 3, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

F - Chris Cilliza and his article!

Posted by: danson1 | November 3, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The elections are going to be a referendum on Congressional and Senate democrats, not necessarily Obama.

Did democrats really have a referendum after the last elections for massive social economic change, or did they misread a public who wanted to clear all vestiges of the Bush era from the government. I happen to think it was the latter.

Posted by: moebius22 | November 3, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Of course it would be a telling referendum on Obama. The Democrats have held the Governor's mansion in Va for years...and last year Va voted for a Democrat Presidential candidate for the first time in decades.

If in just one year, the Democrats are booted from Richmond (especially if it's by a significant margin like the polls expect) then it's obviously very telling. Deeds's ridiculously poor campaign aside, it will show that already a large chunk of voters that went with Obama last year have already switched back to the GOP.

No matter what the lemmings and Obamadrones want to keep saying, of course it will have a huge effect, and will be another embarrassment to the administration.

Posted by: southside721 | November 3, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

how much you wanna bet the infantile illiterate ekim is a beck fanatic?

Posted by: drindl


Main stooge clocks in with the usual dose of stupidity.

Cc - had enough?

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

William Black asks---

WHY DOES GEITHNER have a job anywhere other than McDonalds?!?!?!?!?!?!

He has completely hosed the taxpayers for billions on CIT alone due to his wilful ignorance---

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/364593/Geithner-%22Burned-Billions%22-Shafted-Taxpayers-on-CIT-Loan-Prof.-Bill-Black-Says?tickers=cit,aig,xlf,skf,gs,c,bac&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode

Posted by: misssymoto | November 3, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

After all, this is the war Senator Obama himself called "a war of necessity." This is the war he charged that George W. Bush had failed to win while pursuing a "war of choice" against Saddam Hussein.

This delay, this months-long dithering is dangerous. The Soviets watched very carefully when Ronald Reagan fired the air traffic controllers for striking illegally. They were impressed by his swift and sure decisiveness. With Reagan, the KGB reported to the Kremlin party bosses, "words are deeds." Obama's Hamlet act is growing stale.

President Kennedy knew how important the presidency is. He eloquently said: "I do not shrink from this responsibility. I welcome it."

Can it be that Obama's very public shrinking from the responsibility of decision is what is causing his own shrinking in the American public's support? We don't need a President who, in the words of Newsweek editor Evan Thomas "hovers above us all, sort of a god." What we need is a President who understands what Harry Truman meant when he posted a sign on his Oval Office desk: "The buck stops here."

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

It is a start that will give encouragement to all citizens who are angry and are saying no to government run health care, no to more debt, no to more borrowing trillions, no to cap and trade and the further destruction of our Nation's industry.

Come 2010 we can drain the swamp of more of these Spendocrats. Red or Blue vote for fiscally responsible candidates.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | November 3, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, bully for you, wingnut.

Posted by: koolkat_1960


another stooge meets the limits of his intelligence.

you' re making progress Loud and dumb. Maybe by sometime next year you'll be up to two sentences with no content.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I am sooooo tired of hearing how these two state elections for governor are referendums on President Obama and his policies. If there will be a referendum of votes, it will come next November during the mid-term elections as it did in former President Clinton's first term. By-the-way, President Clinton was re-elected, referendum or not. I see the republicans putting up the same type of candidate for President as Bob Dole was for Clinton's second term. President Obama will be re-elected and people will want him re-elected, mark my words. Trends, my friends, trends and the republican party has no ideas and lack vision!

I don't claim any party or any other label but the republican party is awful now and their fanatic supporters and talking pieces, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity do not help them identify with sane, main stream Americans. You actually do not want to be identified with that group and the people who endorse or support them.

Posted by: ajackson3 | November 3, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Court Ordered "Transparency": Activists, left-wing foundations, the feminist lobby, union bosses and noted anti-capitalists get constant face time with Obama while General McChrystal got 20 minutes on the edge of an Air Force One chair.

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Low-information, low-intelligence, angry and unoriginal.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite


the idiot projects self awareness???

Posted by: snowbama | November 3, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks is a very accurate photo of Barry at the head of this article. Pure Evil!

Posted by: ChangeWhat | November 3, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

$0
THAT IS HOW MUCH I'D PAY TO HEAR FROM 13AJJONES. YOU KNOW HE THINKS WHAT HE IS SAYING IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE TYPES IN ALL CAPS, AND USES EXCLAMATION POINTS!
AND THE ENTER KEY ON HIS COMPUTER SEEMS TO BE BROKEN, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO LINE BREAKS.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE IS POSTING ABOUT SOMETHING COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THIS ARTICLE, WHICH REALLY MAKES YOU THINK CHRIS CILLIZA WAS ON TO SOMETHING WHEN HE POSTED EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT POSSIBLY IMPLEMENTING SOME RULES FOR THE COMMENT SECTION.
AND THANKS, 13AJJONES, FOR THAT UPDATE ON A STORY THAT IS SEVERAL YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT.
NEXT UP, SHOCKING EVIDENCE LINKING PRESIDENT WARREN HARDING TO SINGLE BID CONTRACTS FOR OIL DRILLING AT TEAPOT DOME IN WYOMING!

Posted by: Axisofstupidity1 | November 3, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse


If this is a referendum of Barack Obama, its one of his own making. So far he has not distanced himself too much from the status quo. First of all, he has not been forthcoming in his continuation of Bush's dirty little wars. Iraq, is an violent as it ever was, and Afganistan is getting worse by the day. His bigger challenge has been attempting to implement a major campaign initiative, namely healthcare reform. After telling people what to expect, many appear to be disappointed that he's actually serious about doing so. The media has made it appear as if, the people never really expected him to actually deliver on his campaign promise. They, like most Americans are not use to president actually delivering on a promise. They were expecting "lipservice", especially with something as serious as healthcare reform. This has alienated him with the wealthy and media elites, who fear their taxes will increase. Too bad, most people believe what they are told, even if its against their best interests.


Posted by: demtse | November 3, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Not.

When almost everyone makes a decision as to whom to vote for in a govenorship election they vote for the person, or the Republican or Democrat, or the incumbent or challanger. Very few people make their decision based on who holds another, unrelated office.

"All politics is local." Thomas "Tip" O'Neill.

Posted by: Lefty_ | November 3, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

how much you wanna bet the infantile illiterate ekim is a beck fanatic?

==

He's a familiar poster in the article comments, another of the zouk / charko stripe. Low-information, low-intelligence, angry and unoriginal.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

How could any of these possibly be a referendum on Obama? In all three races the influences on the outcomes -- Deeds' shoddy campaign, massive outside interference in NY23, Daggett's sumping of Christie votes -- are more than enough to completely swamp any feelings about the President.

This is just more of that WaPo determination to influence perceptions in favor of the suicide-cult GOP.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 3, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

$5,780,000.00
THIS IS HOW MUCH TAXES PELOSI SPENDS ON FUEL, FOR HER BOING757 THAT TAKES HER TO WORK, 3 DAYS A WEEK!
ITS A 200 SEAT HUGE AIRCRAFT.
SHE DIDNT LIKE THE SMALLER JET THAT CAME WITH THE JOB, BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO REFUEL ON THE WAY TO WORK.
3 DAYS A WEEK! = ALMOST $6 MIL. PER YEAR!

THATS YOUR DUMMYCRATS FAIR $ TRANSPARENT!

Posted by: 13AJJONES | November 3, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Chris - A good article but please explain how either Gov Kaine or Corzine's election presaged the Democratic victories in 2006. In both instances the Governor's mansion did not switch parties and stayed Democratic. Furthermore why didn't the election of Gov Mark Warner (D) in 2001 predict the election of 2002 where the Republicans swept into power? I think pundits tend to cheerypick their historical analogies and see patterns where there are none. In fact if there is any pattern to the Virginia elections is that it's two Republican Governors followed by two Democratic Governors followed by, etc. Let's face in all reality how much influence do you think that one state election has a year later? How many people do you think will go into the voting booth in 2010 and say Virginia voted a Republican Governor last year so I better vote GOP this time - it's simply ridiculous!

Instead I would like to submit that pundits aren't obsessed with past elections but are rather fixated with upcoming instead. I also think pundits of all political stripes are rooting for the narrative that the GOP wins all three of these elections because it makes a more dramatic story. In some alternate universe if the Democrats had won all three elections then the pundits would be focusing not on Democratic strenghts or messages but on brethless prose of 'can the GOP survive' and "is the the end of the GOP' because it's a more dramatic angle. Ho-hum

Posted by: dre7861 | November 3, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Remember: These aren’t just the dumbest people on earth, they’re also over-paid entertainers."


how much you wanna bet the infantile illiterate ekim is a beck fanatic?

Posted by: drindl | November 3, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Just let me know when the re-pukes start making headway in traditionally Democratic states or districts.

Until then, shut up.

Posted by: JRM2 | November 3, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

This is nothing more than taking back lost ground for the Republicans.

NY 23 has always been conservative and so has Virginia.

There is no "referendum" on Obama in these races.

Only the repukeagains could try to spin this as some sort of wave, or momentum.

Posted by: JRM2 | November 3, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Since the vast majority of media trashed all journalistic ethic and campaign finance laws and jumped in bed with Obama, he has to be vetted on the job...

This is what we do know about Obama.
He's the Commander in Chief with No Military experience, He's the Chief Executive with No Executive experience, he has No business experience, NO economic experience, NO financial experience, No Foreign affair experience, No mayor, NO governor, Nothing. And he surrounds himself with Tax Cheats, Chicago thugs, incompetents, radical loony perverted Czars and has Democrat accomplices in congress that can't even READ the trillion dollar pork packages and Obama/Pelosi Government Crap Care they put their X on and inflict on Americans. He's quadrupled the deficit in months which hasn't stimulated a flea, just added to the already bloated government that will keep Americans in financial bondage for the unforeseeable future. His future polices of Cap and Trade and other onerous AGW hoax policies will further kill businesses especially small businesses and destroy the American dream and surrender the sovereignty of the United States. And his idea of redistribution of wealth is insane and has the mind­­­set of a Chicago thug. Tingly legged Obama voters, you out did yourselves.

Unemployment rising to 10%, Taxes on EVERYBODY will be rising(just watch, I mean EVERYBODY), Businesses in financial straits...


This is the referendum on Obama...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 3, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

From today's dailyhowler. Exactly.

"Last Saturday, the children dressed as goblins and ghosts. They came to your door to scare and impress you with threats and silly tales.

Tonight belongs to the over-interpreters. Every four years, on this very night, these adults put costumes on too. They enter your homes with silly tales about the off-off-year elections in Virginia and New Jersey.

This year, a meaningless House race is thrown in the mix, providing room for more blather.

Is it possible to draw lessons about the nation’s political mood from today’s gubernatorial contests? Possibly. But it’s hard to say what those lessons might be—unless you’re watching cable “news,” in which case the lessons may be quite clear.

More specifically: If Corzine wins by one percent, it will surely mean some significant thing. If he loses by one point, it will mean something different.

Remember: These aren’t just the dumbest people on earth, they’re also over-paid entertainers."

Posted by: monk4hall | November 3, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I believe the true referendum of this election will be a new, significant third party in the U.S. if Hoffman's wins NY-23. A Hoffman win will mean more conservatives will attempt to run in 2010. Will the GOP become the Lib Dems similar to the British political system?

Posted by: rogden71 | November 3, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

IF McDonnell and his right-wing gang do actually succeed in taking back Richmond, we should not construe such an event as a "referendum" against Obama. More likely, the causes might be:

[A] The enthusiasm of Virginia's far-right loonies and political hacks over the possibility of electing one of their own, and their successful effort to somehow convince great numbers of "independent" voters that McDonnell's fascist nut-case philosophies (which by McDonnell's own admission really haven't changed much since his far-right master's thesis) are somehow "centrist"; and/or

[B] The failure of Deeds the candidate (not a great orator) to effectively convince sufficient "independent" voters of his own excellent record and qualifications, while unfortunately choosing instead to focus his campaign on the truly horrible aspects of McDonnell's political and social viewpoints ... which may lead some "independent" (and unthinking) voters to perceive McDonnell as an excessively maligned "underdog" worthy of their support regardless of McDonnell's right-wing nutjob viewpoints or his plans to take Virginia back to the days of slavery when women and other minorities "knew their place"; and/or

[C] Proof positive that such subversive organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan are still alive and well in Virginia, and conducting an effective whispering campaign to brainwash the gullible and take Virginia back to the days of lynching and cross-burning.

If Virginia's voters do elect McDonnell's team of far-right Republican nutjobs, we deserve what we get for the next four years, and it has nothing to do with Obama (except maybe for those voters who are Klan-sympathizers).

If Virginia is to continue making the economic and social progress that Tim Kaine has brought us, we NEED TO ELECT DEEDS and his entire team.

Posted by: NativeNorthernVirginian-1946 | November 3, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

IF McDonnell and his right-wing gang do actually succeed in taking back Richmond, we should not construe such an event as a "referendum" against Obama. More likely, the causes might be:

[A] The enthusiasm of Virginia's far-right loonies and political hacks over the possibility of electing one of their own, and their successful effort to somehow convince great numbers of "independent" voters that McDonnell's fascist nut-case philosophies (which by McDonnell's own admission really haven't changed much since his far-right master's thesis) are somehow "centrist"; and/or

[B] The failure of Deeds the candidate (not a great orator) to effectively convince sufficient "independent" voters of his own excellent record and qualifications, while unfortunately choosing instead to focus his campaign on the truly horrible aspects of McDonnell's political and social viewpoints ... which may lead some "independent" (and unthinking) voters to perceive McDonnell as an excessively maligned "underdog" worthy of their support regardless of McDonnell's right-wing nutjob viewpoints or his plans to take Virginia back to the days of slavery when women and other minorities "knew their place"; and/or

[C] Proof positive that such subversive organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan are still alive and well in Virginia, and conducting an effective whispering campaign to brainwash the gullible and take Virginia back to the days of lynching and cross-burning.

If Virginia's voters do elect McDonnell's team of far-right Republican nutjobs, we deserve what we get for the next four years, and it has nothing to do with Obama (except maybe for those voters who are Klan-sympathizers).

If Virginia is to continue making the economic and social progress that Tim Kaine has brought us, we NEED TO ELECT DEEDS and his entire team.

Posted by: NativeNorthernVirginian-1946 | November 3, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama, BIDEN, ACORN, SEIU, and absentee ballot's being dropped from helicopters in the Bluest of Blue States. Also, $25,000,000 of Corzines personal (Goldman Sachs) money. That is on one side of the equation.On the other side is a Republican and an Independent being supported by the Democratic machine. So Mr Plouffe , you do not think this race is about Obama at all? If the Republican comes close look out.I am hopeful, for N.J. that Corzine loses and some much needed change comes to the overtaxed and corrupt Garden State

Posted by: pauldia | November 3, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

".... I guess as long as it's engaged in warrantless wiretaps, detention without trial, renditions and other police state tactics, big government is OK with conservatives.

Healthcare for fellow citizens? You've got to be kidding."

Go Obama!

Posted by: WilliamBlake | November 3, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"I couldn't care less what leftists say, my vote for McDonnell is ABSOLUTELY a vote against Obama..

Posted by: SMWE357 | November 3, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse"

Well, bully for you, wingnut.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 3, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the Republicans will sweep.

The Dems need to learn they cannot run away from single-payer health care and the public option and embrace new revenue streams for the health insurance industry that will only cost taxpayers/consumers dearly.

All health care reform is going to do is enhance the bottom line of giant insurance companies and drug companies.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 3, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"I’m really loving this special election in NY. I’m sorry that those people are going to be represented by a Bachmann style wingnut, but hey- they voted for him, so they can just deal with it.

But what I find really amusing is that they are taking a win for the Republican in that district as a sign of a conservative resurgence, emboldening them to take their tea party on the road to savage other apostates and those insufficiently loyal to the ideology, when that district hasn’t elected anything BUT Republicans since the Civil War. Again, nothing but Republicans for 70 straight elections, and they are taking the 71st (or whatever it actually is) as a “sign.”

When you think about it, that is funnier than the birthers.

And what makes it extra special is that they will probably succeed in a few safe Republican districts, and primary out a couple of people and replace them with Glen Beck following religious nuts like Hoffman. I wonder if the short-sighted fools at Reason are proud of the monsters they helped create when they were pimping the teabaggers the last six months."

Posted by: drindl | November 3, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"I couldn't care less what leftists say, my vote for McDonnell is ABSOLUTELY a vote against Obama."

Probably not the only way in which you're an anomaly.

Posted by: nodebris | November 3, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

whoa, scrivener50. The tinfoil, loosen it. I think its hurting you.

Posted by: moose6 | November 3, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

All we know is that Republicans tend to vote against something, or everything, whereas Democrats tend to vote for.

"Former DNC Chair Howard Dean said on MSNBC this morning that the GOP civil war in the special NY-23 congressional race -- in which moderate GOP nominee Dede Scozzafava dropped out and endorsed Democrat Bill Owens after many prominent Republicans defected and supported Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman -- "has destroyed the Republican Party."

"The real Republican's been driven out of the race and they have somebody from the far right," Dean said.

It's destroyed the Republican Party. It's just gonna be fascinating to see what happens.

I have never seen anything like this. Even the Democrats at the height of their self destruction didn't do this. I am just stunned by what's going on up there."

The people in NY23 have been conned into voting for a witless, hapless little weasel who knows nothing about the district and is simply a groveling pawn for slimy rightwing demagogues. They will get what they deserve.

Posted by: drindl | November 3, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

If the blue dogs are made even more anxious about the health care votes by today's results in VA NJ & NY, Cillizza can reassure them in the same way he did two weeks ago: cook the WAPO/ABC poll numbers. The column is aptly named The Fix.

Posted by: miglefitz | November 3, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less what leftists say, my vote for McDonnell is ABSOLUTELY a vote against Obama..

Posted by: SMWE357 | November 3, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The important item to be taken from these elections is the intensity of the voters on both sides. Can the Democrats get out the vote without Obama on the ticket? The other important vote since the 2008 elections was the Georgia Senate runoff. In the elections Chambliss got 3% more vote than Martin(less than 50%) and a runoff was required. In the runoff, Chambliss won by 14%. This is an eleven point swing without Obama on the ticket in less than a month. Most of this was due to a fallof in the youth and black vote. It will be interesting to see if the same thing happens here.

Posted by: tomhamand | November 3, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I get so tired of this Washington horserace type talk. In Virginia we have a race between a Taliban Wannabe in a state full of pseudochristian jihadists just like him, and a man who's arguably run the worst campaign in all of history. But it's all about Obama. Huh??

The press are so bereft of training in science that they have reverted to voodoo for their understanding of the world. It's just pitiful. This race is a referendum on the campaigns and candidates who are being VOTED on. Same with the one in NJ. Radical idea, I know. Try to get your little addled minds around it.

Posted by: B2O2 | November 3, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree with cfeher that the only issue of national import in these local elections is their effect on adding to or halting the GOP's devolution.

The effect on moderate Democrats Chris mentions is one thing; how about the effect on that hot-house flower, moderate Republicans?

Posted by: nodebris | November 3, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Whoa there, everyone needs to take a deep breath. If a Conservative wins a special election in a congressional district that hasn't voted a Democrat into office for years, and voters in two states choose a Republican for governor, they did so because they were voting against Obama? They where not voting for a congressman or a governor, they were voting on Obama? Doesn't that sound a bit over the top? After all, 10 months ago the same talking heads were saying the Republican party was in deep do-do, now the victory in one congressional special election and two governors races signals the Democrats are toast in 2010?

A lot of things can happen between now and next November. How many of you were predicting that Obama would be the Democratic nominee in January 2008? How many of you had written John McCain off by December of 2007?

Posted by: blpeyton | November 3, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

What is frustrating is the pundits/journalists' ongoing acknowledgement that there isn't a significant relationship between today's election & subsequent elections, while they continue to report on and/or argue about what today's results imply.

In a related note, this morning NPR focused on the economy & how that reflects on the Obama admin. The pointed out that significant job losses didn't start until last October & weren't reported until after the election, though the economy was in recession for two quarters by then. The reporter then turned around and cited the recent announcement that last quarter's GDP growth was positive, signalling a technical end to the recession, though unemployment has caught up. Then he says this could mean the Dems / WH will suffer in next year's election, as though the economy in a year will be exactly like the economy today. What he failed to point out was that if last quarter's GDP growth continues, the unemployment rate, a trailing indicator, will be dropping next year, just in time for the Dems / WH to claim victory that the stimulus & their management has worked, which would presumably impact the 2010 elections in a far more positive way for that party.

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 3, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Whatever happened to Tip O'Neill's famous maxim, 'All Politics is Local'???

The VA race is about Deeds being a perfectly awful, inarticulate candidate. As you pointed out yourself, Deeds never articulated his own vision, settling instead for attacking McDonnell on the latter's admittedly troubling, anti-feminist thesis; inevitably, Deeds lost the momentum he'd started building up.

The NY-23 fun for us political types was over on Sunday with Scozzafava's withdrawal from the race, her subsequent endorsement of Owens. Hoffmann is so ill-informed on local issues, not even living in the district, so if Hoffmann likely wins, the R.s will have taken a giant step towards creating an ultraconservative splinter group in an equally ultraconservative district. Bad for locals, bad for R.s.

Problem for R.s is Conservatives won't be reined in, so at the national level it is not promising for the Republicans.

Corzine has governed more as a CEO than a politician, which has lowered his popularity to dangerous levels. If he squeaks by, as I personally believe he may (b/c Christie has a lot of political problems), he'll have to become a better politician.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | November 3, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Dylan Ratigan asks---WHY KEEP GEITHNER????

This is truly a MUST READ!! Thanks Dylan for being one of the only TRUE financial reporters in this nation that is committed to the TRUTH!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-ratigan/why-keep-geithner_b_341908.html

Posted by: misssymoto | November 3, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Any reason the Post ran a singularly unflattering photo of obama with this article?

Posted by: wmpowellfan | November 3, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Although the races today will be judged as symbolic, I see little practical impact. No president polls well in the middle of fighting for huge legislation like health care. People focus on the uncertainty rather than then the goal. They only Obama poll I care to see is the one they'll take about a month after the health reform fight is over (win or lose).

Further, all of the these race seem to me to be guided much more by local factors then national. In Virginia, Creigh Deeds ran what was by all accounts a lousy campaign; overly negative, no overarching them and no charisma. In New Jersey, Corzine is by all accounts a lousy governor. If not for his personal fortune I believe he would be polling in the low-'30s by now. And New York D23? Regardless of what you think of Dede's politics she is obviously a flake. Calling the police because a reporter tried to ask questions? Quitting the race, then endorsing the Democratic candidate? I don't see much worthiness there, no matter what your ideology.

Posted by: bidalah | November 3, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

People concerned about the size of government (we're told big government is bad, but no one ever explains why) should look no further than the last president, who presided over one of the largest expansions of the federal government since FDR.

But I guess as long as it's engaged in warrantless wiretaps, detention without trial, renditions and other police state tactics, big government is OK with conservatives.

Healthcare for fellow citizens? You've got to be kidding.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | November 3, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Democrats need to blame themselves for this!

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | November 3, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

There will be infinitely much more import given to these election results by the talking heads no matter who wins than is warranted. At the end of the day republicans will probably win elections in highly republican areas and so I don't think you can accurately read too much into that as far as what that means for the next election cycle.

What is far more interesting will be the republican party faithful vs tea-bagger republicans showdown it sets up for 2010.

I think this election will indicate far more about the state of the republican party than it will say about the influence President Obama, a man who since he has entered office has spent almost all of his time attempting to clean up the military and economic disasters bequeathed to him by the previous administration.

So, Chris don't go too overboard search for some mythical 'larger meaning' in an election when it doesn't have one.

Posted by: cfeher | November 3, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Another day has passed and Congress has not passed a unemployment extention for the high unemployed rated states like Newyork, NewJersey, and Virginia. Republcans will sweep or the Independant candidate will win because voters will blame the Democrats who are in power, for waiting too long to help Americans in need.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | November 3, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh jesus, the lunatic 37th and 0 is back.

Posted by: drindl | November 3, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Why? Because political reporters, pundits and the political chattering class are forever obsessed with elections past."

Exactly. Which is why you often fail to see what's in front of your face. You see trends that don't exist except in your heads, and you echo each other constantly. You think because David Broder or George Will says it it must be so, and accept CW from ossified thinkers.

How hard did you have to look to find a photo of Obama as sinister looking as that? pathetic.

Posted by: drindl | November 3, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

In 1989, victories by Democrats James Florio (N.J.) and Gerald L. Baliles (Va.) presaged not much of anything in 1990. And in 2001, wins by Jim McGreevey in New Jersey and Mark Warner in Virginia set the stage for the loss of the U.S. Senate and additional seats in the House for the Democratic party.

The original paragraph suggests a false relationship. It's fun for politicos to kick around, but means less than it seems at first sight.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 3, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Last year the voters did not vote for Obama - they voted for the program he put forth - transparency, bipartisanship - post-partisanship - post-racial policies.


All that program has been thrown into the TRASH BY OBAMA HIMSELF.


Obama himself has called himself out as a FRAUD. It certainly has not been the Republicans.

They can draw up a bi-partisan health care bill - it just will not be a multi-billion dollar bloated government program - it would be more regulation aimed at eliminating the worst abuses of the insurance companies.

Release the underlying document in the file in Hawaii - what is the big deal - show transparency EVERYWHERE.

Obama has to stick to his own program.

The voters did NOT vote for his ultra-liberal ideas. He has to realize that.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | November 3, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

AS YOU LIKE IT -- BUT CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

So true; whatever the results, there will be myriad interpretations. Pick one. But mainstream political reporters should re-examine the electronic voting machine angle. Have these machines reduced the electoral process in America to banana republic status? Once again, the MSM chooses to believe "it can't happen here." BULLETIN: It can. It has. Read this:

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SECRET MULTI-AGENCY FED PROGRAM SILENTLY TORTURES, IMPAIRS U.S. CITIZENS WITH MICROWAVE/LASER RADIATION, SAYS MAINSTREAM JOURNALIST

* Thousands of Americans, deemed to be "dissidents" or undesirables, targeted by Bush legacy program for debilitating microwave/laser assault, held hostage in their own homes to fed-supported vigilante "community policing" stalking units, equipped with warrantless GPS devices, who vandalize and terrorize as local police look the other way.

* "Directed energy weapons," reportedly, portable units and a nationwide installation camouflaged as cell towers, induce weakness, exhaustion, head and body aches, physical and neurological impairment, strokes, aneurysms, cancer -- and many victims do not realize what is making them sick.

* Regional Homeland Security- administered "fusion centers" reportedly serve as command centers for covert electromagnetic radiation attacks, pervasive surveillance, financial sabotage of those identified as "dissidents," "trouble-makers" or slandered as threats to society.

* Use of microwave weaponry to torture and impair political opponents recently confirmed by deposed Honduras President Manuel Zelaya.

* Pleas for justice, to local police and FBI, go unanswered -- as do demands for a Department of Justice Civil Rights Division investigation and congressional hearings.

"These are crimes against humanity and the Constitution, being perpetrated under the cover of national security and 'safe streets' by multiple federal and local agencies and commands -- an American genocide hiding in plain sight, enabled by the naivete of those who think 'it can't happen here.'" -- Victor Livingston, former reporter for WTXF-TV Philadelphia, Phila. Bulletin, N.Y. Daily News, St. Petersburg Times; producer/host, MSG Network Sports Business Report; columnist, NowPublic.com/scrivener.

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR (if links are corrupted / disabled): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 3, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget about the same-sex marriage bill up for referendum in Maine. That's currently a nail-biter as well. A defeat (in this instance meaning to de-legalize same-sex marriage) would be played up as further repudiation of Democrats, but what if it passes? Same-sex marriage is certainly a national issue, or at least one that has attention in every state. Will it be a sign of progress or "just Maine?" I guess as with every question about today, it depends on who you ask.

Also, that's possibly the worst picture of Obama I've ever seen. It makes him look kind of like a zombie.

Posted by: thecorinthian | November 3, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"While the debate over what today's results will mean to the 2010 midterms may be slightly premature, it's clear that whatever happens in New York, New Jersey and Virginia will have an impact of some sort on the current health care debate in Congress."

This is exactly right.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 3, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

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