Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity

Can 2010 be a 2008 repeat?

President Barack Obama formally kicked off the White House's involvement in the 2010 midterm elections this morning via a web video in which he sets the goal for November as a re-creation of the electoral makeup in 2008.

"You told us your first priority was to make sure the same people who were inspired to vote for the first time in 2008 go back to the polls in 2010," Obama said in the video, which was sent to the more than 13 million people on the Organizing for America email list. "So that's what we're going to do."

Who are these people and is there a reasonable chance that Obama can find a way to motivate them to vote in a midterm election that is, by its nature, a lower turnout affair?

Let's unpack those questions one by one.

First, the Obama coalition. It's widely accepted that Obama's success in 2008 was built on increased turnout and increased support within three groups: young voters (age 18-29), African Americans and independents.

Here's how those three groups broke down, according to exit polling on the 2008 race:

* 18-29 (18 percent of overall electorate): Obama 66 percent, John McCain 32 percent
* African Americans (13 percent): Obama 95 percent, McCain 4 percent
* Independents (29 percent): Obama 52 percent, McCain 44 percent

And here's how those groups shook out in 2004:

* 18-29 (17 percent of electorate): John Kerry 54 percent, George W. Bush 45 percent
* African American (11 percent): Kerry 88, Bush 11 percent
* Independents (26 percent): Kerry 49 percent, Bush 48 percent

While none of the three groups comprised any significantly larger portion of the electorate in 2008 versus 2004, the margins by which Obama carried them made the difference between his 365 electoral votes and the 252 Kerry won four years earlier.

Is it possible that Obama can bring those same voters to the polls in 2010 and, in so doing, reverse traditional turnout patterns in midterms?

Probably not.

A look back at the 2009 governors races in Virginia and New Jersey shows how, without Obama on the ballot, his 2008 coalition crumbled -- as Democrats lost both contests.

Exit polling -- blessedly -- is available in both states.

Here's New Jersey:

* 18-29 (9 percent of electorate): Jon Corzine (D) 57 percent, Chris Christie (R) 36 percent
* African Americans (14 percent): Corzine 88 percent, Christie 9 percent
* Independents (28 percent): Christie 60 percent, Corzine 30 percent

And, Virginia:

* 18-29 (10 percent): Bob McDonnell (R) 54 percent, Creigh Deeds (D) 44 percent
* African Americans (16 percent): Deeds 90 percent, McDonnell 9 percent
* Independents (30 percent): McDonnell 66 percent, Deeds 33 percent

While the African American vote numbers stayed generally consistent with how Obama performed in 2008, there were significant dropoffs among 18-29 year olds and independents.

With young voters, Obama did 10 points better than Corzine and 16 points better than Deeds. The numbers were even more striking among independents where Obama overperformed Corzine by 21 points and Deeds by 16 points. (And, remember that Obama campaigned for both men in the final weeks of each contest.)

Those two groups of voters were not only the two strongest pillars of Obama's new political math but also tend to be the most likely voters to lose interest in midterm elections. Traditionally older people as well as the bases of the two parties are the likeliest to turn out in a midterm.

Most Democratic strategists we spoke to in the wake of the release of Obama's announcement this morning agreed that it is a near impossibility for this president -- or any president -- to re-create the electoral calculus that delivered him the White House.

"The 2008 was lightning in a bottle: a preternaturally talented, historic candidate running against a Republican Party in the midst of a financial meltdown, with a sitting president whose numbers rivaled those of Herbert Hoover and a nominee, in McCain, who had lost the public trust because of his panicky response to Wall Street's meltdown," said one senior Democrat. "Thus, it's a little unfair for Obama to be able to match 2008 -- just given the different ecology."

That said, Republican turnout also won't approximate its 2008 levels either so if Obama can help at the margins it could well help mitigate the depth of the losses his party seems headed toward this fall.

"The midterm universe of voters will be different, as always, but the Obama team can make a real difference with just a couple percentage points of their new voters," argued one senior party strategist involved in a series of high-profile contests this fall.

Of course, Obama's real difference-making could well have nothing to do with re-creating his 2008 coalition but rather in energizing a party base that is currently being out-enthused by the Republican side.

Passion matters deeply in politics -- particularly in midterm elections. There is no Democrat better equipped in the country to rally the party base than the president. And, the more excited the base is about the 2010 election, the better chance Democrats have of keeping their losses low -- or at least below historic averages.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 26, 2010; 11:41 AM ET
Categories:  White House  | Tags: Barack Obama, George W. Bush, John Kerry, John McCain, President, United States midterm election  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Charlie Crist's big decision
Next: Too much ado about debates?

Comments

OBAMA QUOTE:
“What I worry about would be that you essentially have two chambers, the House and the Senate, but you have simply, majoritarian, absolute power on either side. And that's just not what the founders intended.”

BUT THEY DID INTEND FOR THE PRESIDENT TO BE A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”. WHERE IS YOUR ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE SIR?

The time has come for the President to perform his duty to THIS country and show the AMERICAN people his birth certificate. No certificate? Then all of these constitutional crimes go away; the czars, healthcare, all of it. There are too many questions, too many doubts and he has been dodging far too long. Where there is smoke there is fire. The more AMERICAN people that begin asking for the proof, the less he and the major ANTI-AMERICAN broadcast networks will be able to ignore the AMERICAN people as they have done with so many other issues. If there is the slightest doubt in your AMERICAN mind then you too need to be asking “WHERE IS YOUR CERTIFIED ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

We have let the seemingly small things go and look where that has taken us. I want to talk about it because they are COVERING UP. It would be such an easy thing for any one of us to show our BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Why is it so difficult for Mr. Obama? Why does he treat this country as if he is ashamed of it? Why does he treat our allies as if they are enemies? Why does he encourage Congress to ignore AND PATRONIZE the AMERICAN people? Why did his wife refer to his home country as Kenya? Why do people in Kenya claim he was born there? Why will he not release his own school records? Why does he disgracefully bow to the leaders of other countries? Why does he admire dictators from other countries? THIS IS OBAMA’S WATERGATE. WILL THE NEW WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN PLEASE STAND UP! There is no need to impeach someone who is NOT QUALIFIED to be president. Everything he has signed, ordered, or acted upon is illegal. YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN FAITHFUL TO YOUR PRESIDENTIAL OATH, YOU HAVE NOT PRESERVED THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, YOU HAVE NOT PROTECTED THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, YOU HAVE NOT DEFENDED THE UNITED STATES CONTITUTUION, YOU ARE TRYING TO DISMANTAL OUR CONSTITUTION, YOU HAVE AND ARE ATTACKING THE UNITED STATES CONTITUTION, YOU HAVE AND ARE LYING AND MOCKING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DAILY. YOU ARE NOT EVEN QUALIFIED TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. YOU ARE A COWARD, SIR. YOU ARE A LIAR, SIR, AND YOUR MASTER IS THE FATHER OF LIES. YOU CANNOT SPEAK WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER. YOU CANNOT GO TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY WITHOUT DISGRACEFULLY BOWING AND OR APOLOGIZING. YOUR MEDIA HAS MADE YOU OUT TO BE THE “SMARTEST” PRESIDENT EVER. THEN RELEASE YOUR SCHOOL RECORDS SIR! So I ask you Mr. Obama: WHERE IS YOUR ORIGINAL CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE? “LET ME BE CLEAR” THAT IS THE ONE WITH THE DOCTOR’S SIGNATURE, HOSPITAL NAME AND YOUR FOOTPRINT!

Posted by: D0ntTread0nMe | April 29, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The only way Obama will bring the same group of voters to the polls as he did in 2008 is merely by passing a large amount of money under the table to ACORN - ACORN is alive and well you know, just a different alias. Little T-Boca

Posted by: annie21 | April 27, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The media continues to underestimate the ability of this Administration and this President---how many times did they predict that health care would never pass? How much ink have they given to Tea Baggers? How much love and attention have they given to Sarah Palin? The media and right wing enablers have continued to get it wrong about this President. And you have gotten it wrong once again. 2010 will kick the Republicans behind---need proof? Ask John Mccain.

Posted by: lizzbrown | April 27, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

if the "won" oBowMao's DISapproval ratings keep on current pace (-2% per month) his approval will be in the low 30's. in other words his coattails will make an eisenhauer jacket look like a full tailed tux. please campaign hard for the dims zerO for 3 so far and for the few it affected in nevada 17% less likely 7% more likely to vote for reid. lol bring it on bo only you can skip my congress dist. the dims have no one to run again

Posted by: shorething | April 27, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama has signaled that he is going to leave the middle class behind him with the promise of higher taxes. He is implementing that portion of his socialist agenda with a call for class warfare. The middle class are to wealthy to not tax and to have to pander therefore, he will turn to the base for which his "change" is intended to complete the revolution of socialization of the United States. Knowing that the American people cannot afford the spending that Obama and his congress has racked up, he will continue to redistribute the wealth and lead this country into an age of the "welfare state."
Only the electorate can stop him in his tracks come November. We must remember the socialized health care law as a clear reminder of what he desires to do to each and every responsible person who still has a desire to raise standards of living and inovation type businesses.

Posted by: lhudson828 | April 27, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

you can only drink so much kool-aid before you realize it was tainted....but most liberals are use to taint...but im sure ACORN will throw out some cheese and lead liberals back to the obama colon entry line.

Posted by: JWx2 | April 27, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

you can only drink so much kool-aid before you realize it was tainted....but most liberals are use to taint...but im sure ACORN will throw out some cheese and lead liberals back to the obama colon entry line.

Posted by: JWx2 | April 27, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

you can only drink so much kool-aid before you realize it was tainted....but most liberals are use to taint...but im sure ACORN will throw out some cheese and lead liberals back to the obama colon entry line.

Posted by: JWx2 | April 27, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry FOUR times.

Posted by: brandonjohns11 | April 27, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

WasaUFO, you must be pretty desperate to post that same comment three times.

Never say never. The Republicans have plenty of good candidates, some you may not of even heard of yet. After all, how many people had heard of Obama in 2006??

Posted by: brandonjohns11 | April 27, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Obama is full of it. He signed a freedom-intruding healthcare bill, he has created more government control over our lives, and he is now defending illegal aliens. Of course granting them all amnesty will certainly help him in 2012. Eventually it won't matter how the current majority votes.
Hopefully we can end up stopping Barack "Jimmy Carter" Obama in the end and make him the one term President he deserves to be, but only time will tell. Nothing is for sure in this life.

Posted by: brandonjohns11 | April 27, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

I carried a green card for 10 years to prove I was legal and several times had to produce it so what is the big deal. Its the illegals that should shut up and return where they came from. If you choose to break the law assuming false IDs you should not be allowed to stay in the USA. If you break one law you'll break any law that gets in your way. Also deport the slave owners that hire Illegals.

Posted by: gggoda | April 27, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

People hated George Bush & the right wing of the Republican party so bad they elected a black man President of our country. Two days later most of White America went into shock at what happened. He's a better President than Bush, lots more intelligent, but his popularity continues to go down hill. He's blamed for and has had to over come lots of Bush's mistakes. But the Republicans have no one to challenge him, he should be a 2 term President

Posted by: wasaUFO | April 27, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

People hated George Bush & the right wing of the Republican party so bad they elected a black man President of our country. Two days later most of White America went into shock at what happened. He's a better President than Bush, lots more intelligent, but his popularity continues to go down hill. He's blamed for and has had to over come lots of Bush's mistakes. But the Republicans have no one to challenge him, he should be a 2 term President

Posted by: wasaUFO | April 27, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

People hated George Bush & the right wing of the Republican party so bad they elected a black man President of our country. Two days later most of White America went into shock at what happened. He's a better President than Bush, lots more intelligent, but his popularity continues to go down hill. He's blamed for and has had to over come lots of Bush's mistakes. But the Republicans have no one to challenge him, he should be a 2 term President

Posted by: wasaUFO | April 27, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

If our President would spend his time on governing more than politicing perhaps, just maybe we might be in a better place. Mark my word before the November elections the democrats will push through a bill to ensure that the un-documented will receive amnesty. Then they surely will win the house and senate then we can pay for the health care of these new citizens. Watch what happens.

Posted by: jbrocato | April 26, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

JRM2,
Gallenod (I hope I got his moniker right) hit the nail on the head in the Crist thread. You don't go after the illegals, you go after the men who are exploiting them. We outlawed slavery in this country in the 19th century. Walk right past the workers and handcuff the guy who's abusing them---and pistol whip him on the way to jail.

You can legalize all the illegals and from that moment on they will be under U.S. labor laws and of no use to these scoundrels, and they'll be right back to shipping in more illegals.

What they covet are people they can hire for 15 cents an hour who are too scared to complain. It happens all over the country.
Nebraska passed a law sometime back which held the employers' feet to the fire, and the illegal immigration problem disappeared virtually overnight. Unfortunately, the packing plants, finding themselves at a loss for cheap labor, threatened to pack up and move to a state with less stringent immigration laws, and the Nebraska lawmakers backed down.

With unemployment near 10%, you know there's no shortage of workers. There just a shortage of slave labor.

Posted by: Brigade | April 26, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

To all you screaming idiots out there, 37th the king of them, if the current laws were enforced then we would not even need this law just signed in Arizona.

If they don't enforce the current laws what good will a new law do them?

And until big and medium sized business is ready to give up their cheap labor we will continue to have an illegal immigration problem.

Next up: 37th screams "It's Obama's fault" when he has to pay $2 for a head of lettuce.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 26, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm predicting an election year more like 1980.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 26, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Any liberals care to comment on Obama's latest lie aka GM?

Posted by: Cryos | April 26, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

""The solution is to ASK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS.

That solution OVERCOMES the objection of racial profiling - as it makes all citizens EQUAL.""
------
Meanwhile the crazies protest government intrusion into citizens lives.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 26, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"The fix" is the MSM REFUSING to report on news.

Latest example GM. The CEO lackey, Obama and Geithner are all openly lying to the American public and not one msm site will report on it.

GM paid the loans with another TARP loan. In addition GM is applying for a $10 billion loan for the new CAFE standards.

Disgusting.

Posted by: Cryos | April 26, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

As 37th predicted, Drindl crawled out after everyone had left the week-end thread with this tidbit:

"Brigade is zouk. Let's stop pretending."

Drindl, Drindl, Drindl.
Still obsessed with this zouk.
Just think of me as one of your ex's---a guy who gets up every morning and goes to work to help pay the taxes that support you in the lifestyle to which you've become accustomed.

Keep pulling that lever for Democrats, and you'll always have free Bubble-Up, fresh mountain oysters and rainbow stew.

---

Drindl also posted this earlier today along with a few tedious remarks cut and pasted from some other site:

"So much for the 'best health care system in the world'... I guess this guy couldn't scrape together enough chickens to pay for surgery in this country..."

A fellow flew to England and paid $2930 for a procedure which would have cost him $33,127 in the USA---according to the story.
Like me, you might be wondering what relevance this has to the recently passed healthcare reform bill, since even its supporters agree that it doesn't do much to contain cost.
He could have saved the other $2930 simply by flying to Haiti and finding a witch-doctor. I know good and well they take chickens.

Posted by: Brigade | April 26, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

NOT, without ACORN support and funding of our tax dollars.

Posted by: rteske | April 26, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

dollmike

Every media outlet that I have seen says an illegal alien shot Rob Kretz - it appears that they have a suspect in mind and it was an illegal.


If that is not true, your point is well taken.

The truth is there is a great deal of crime which is associated back to illegal aliens -


Think about the law of averages too.

Would a person be more likely to abide by the law or LESS likely if the person was here legally? The person has ALREADY broken the law by coming here - so they have already shown a propensity to break the law.


These people have already broken the law.

Something has to be done - this is a minor quibbling of a constitutional provision - I'm all for the Bill of Rights - however we are talking about what is REASONABLE here -


OK I say it is reasonable - and you say it isn't reasonable. Alright.


"Racial profiling" came from the idea that blacks felt that highway police were pulling them aside just for being black - with no other traffic violation evident.


That is VASTLY DIFFERENT from the situation in Arizona - in which we have 400,000 people who are there illegally -


In a sense, we have 400,000 crimes being committed in Arizona every day - that is the basis for the REASONABLE PROCEEDURES to find those people.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

drindl


Nice attitude - you are making absolutely no attempt to discuss the point at hand. You know what the point is.


and yet you act like that.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"The solution is to ASK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS.

That solution OVERCOMES the objection of racial profiling - as it makes all citizens EQUAL."
-----------------
wow... um... didn't the Nazis start doing that in the 1930's? It amazes me how xenophobic people can be (and how ignorant of our past mistakes we are)

Posted by: cfrb83 | April 26, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Focusing on the political implications of Arizona's new law targeting undocs, it seems that Hispanics in general, and in Arizona, are viewing this law as unjust. In 2008, in Arizona, the Republican John McCain only held 41% of the Hispanic vote and won Arizona by only 200,000 mostly white votes. Passing laws viewed as racial profiling against the 500,000 (and growing) AZ Hispanic population seems shortsighted to me.

It may feel good, and even right, for people to track down undocs, deport them, and even shoot them at the border. But, if R's want to get back into power to "execute" their ideas, don't you think even the dumbest of them would realize they need to win elections. And you can't do that p*ssing off new voters.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 26, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

No one knows who shot rancher Rob Krentz on his property in southeastern Arizona. I know many of you want it to be an illegal alien and maybe it was, but wanting it to be true and knowing are two different things. Another example of right wing self-created reality. I can tell you one thing, it will be easy to get away with Murder in Arizona, just blame it on Juan.

Posted by: dollmike | April 26, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"To the contrary - this would not be an attempt to jettison the Constitution - it would be an ATTEMPT to comply with the Constitution.

OK ?

Posted by: 37thand0street"

why do i bother? try reading the Constitution -- can you read? You obviously have no idea what's in it. christ.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

12Bar -- Freelancer's Union is just that -- group you can join if you can prove you are an active, self-employed freelancer. Almost all fields are covered. You just have to present evidence -- a check from an employer-- to prove that you have made a certain amount of money during the previous 3 months. I think it's like $10K, pretty low threshold.

You are part of a pool and so don't have to be individually underwritten.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Under the law (PL 111-148), later this year insurance companies will be banned from dropping coverage for people who become sick, a practice called rescissions." Reuters reported on Friday that the company "used a computer algorithm that immediately targeted for aggressive fraud investigations women who began treatment for breast cancer. The women held policies with subsidiaries of WellPoint.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2010/April/26/Wellpoint-Flap.aspx

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 26, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"The SOLUTION - ASK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS - completely eliminate the question of racial profiling - and just ask EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS."


__________________________________

"The SOLUTION - ASK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS - completely eliminate the question of racial profiling - and just ask EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS."


_________________________________


To the contrary - this would not be an attempt to jettison the Constitution - it would be an ATTEMPT to comply with the Constitution.

OK ?

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I see that Wellpoint Healthcare is disputing that they targeted women who were diagnosed with breast cancer for rescission. I imagine the "image" of sick women being aggressively audited for possible rescission of their policies, so that Wellpoint doesn't have to pay, is not going to get them new policies.

I wouldn't doubt that Wellpoint DOES do this. Not only that, I'll bet Wellpoint isn't the only company to do it.

It makes sense, from a purely cold blooded business point of view, to investigate anyone who has large losses to try to cancel their coverage. I never can understand why some people claim we have the best healthcare system in the world, when part of the system (the insurors) are actively looking for retroactive cancellations.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 26, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Leapin - Interesting how you removed the punctuation mark to change the meaning of my statement. I guess that accurate quotation is reserved to Democrap liberals.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 26, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

@drindl,

What is the Freelancer's Union? The only way I can get coverage is to get into someone's group policy so I'm not medically underwritten. Years ago, there used to be group policies under AICPA (which I would qualify), but all those groups disappeared over the years. I'm always on the lookout for some kind of group policy.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 26, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

drindl


I don't think you get the point - the "racial profiling" objection is that some citizens are asked for their papers, and some are not.

The solution is to ASK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS.


That solution OVERCOMES the objection of racial profiling - as it makes all citizens EQUAL.

do you get that.?

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Tell that to the family of Rob Krentz - who was shot dead by an illegal alien a few weeks ago on March 27


-_________________

No, if the illegal alien was stopped by the Arizona police, asked for his papers and deported - Rob Krentz would be ALIVE TODAY.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

To anyone who is thinking about voting for anyone who is not a democrat, I ask you this.

How will putting republicans back into office make things better?

Bush wrecked the economy, removed our freedoms with his so called "Patriot Act". Took us to war over oil, yes, oil, remember how Cheney said he was going to pay for the war in Iraq? "We'll use Iraqi oil to pay for it". The invasion and confiscation of property (oil)for self enrichment (to pay for our invasion) is nothing short or armed robbery. The USA used to have laws that sent you to prison for that offense. Now you get a book deal and tour. Or like Dick, count your extra stock options for those no bid contracts.

If you want more of the failed policies that put our country where it is today, then vote for the R. I for one will never vote for a republican ever again.

Vote only for Democrats, at least we will still have a country to call home.

Posted by: admiralj | April 26, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"The SOLUTION - ASK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS - completely eliminate the question of racial profiling - and just ask EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS."

Absolutely! Jettison the constitution, giv the police to right to ask for your 'papers' everywhere you go -- and the right to search your home anytime too, that goes along with it.

And then everyone should be assigned a number and have it tattooed on their arms.

Immigration problem solved!

No one could have a problem with that, right?

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse


This is an excerpt from an abcnews.com article that was obviously written by a mentally impaired liberal:

"the bill would essentially criminalize the presence of the 460,000 illegal immigrants living in the state."


Ummm, they're ALREADY criminals for being here illegally, you liberal numbnuts....no need to further "criminalize" a criminal.


Posted by: RobParker


______________________________________

Excellent Points by Rob Parker

The illegal aliens become criminals when the cross the border.

The Arizona legislature did not "criminalize" them.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

12Bar -- pre-existing condition here, the same. I have health insurance only because of the Freelancer's Union. Still quite expensive, but better than nothing. If you're self-employed, you might be eligible.

This blog draws some real rightwing sickos...

'He was pretty clear that he didn't want his white mother's vote come election day. In fact, she might as well move to Mexico to become the new white majority there.'

... there are just so many of them.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Tell that to the family of Rob Krentz - who was shot dead by an illegal alien a few weeks ago on March 27

==

And his family would be cheerful and happy if he'd been shot by someone whose papers were in order?

And you wonder why everyone here regards you as an idiot.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 26, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Stopping someone and asking them for their papers is REASONABLE - it is not a Constitutional problem.


It is a fair question.

However, what US citizen would really NOT see a problem with illegal immigation in this country - and object to showing their papers.

Apparently someone here doesn't realize that a drivers' license is OK - especially the new ones which require all the documents to get.


Pheonix wants to challenge the law.

The SOLUTION - ASK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS - completely eliminate the question of racial profiling - and just ask EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Health insurance benefits two entities--one is the insured person who could never afford the most expensive treatments, and the other is society in general who benefits from the pooling of risk. Our system allows all of us access to emergency care (that's why EMT's take us to emergency rooms instead of asking for our insurance cards). We collectively should all pay for access to that care at least. Better if we all paid for access to a more robust healthcare system.

People who elect not to have health insurance, when they could get it and afford it, are being selfish and expecting everyone else to pay for their high cost procedures.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 26, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Poor ol' jake2 still thinks the tea-baggers are important...!Right-wingers are just simply stuck like clue to stupid.

The Dems will do just fine in this upcoming election, and we will definately remember November, but thanks for the daily reminders.

Posted by: dematheart | April 26, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


Tell that to the family of Rob Krentz - who was shot dead by an illegal alien a few weeks ago on March 27

What is your problem???

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Presumably including his mother Nutjob.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade
-----------------------------------------
His mother may have been a hippie nutjob but I doubt her name was Nutjob. He doesn't show pride in being bi-racial. It more politically expedient to be black. Dividing people into classes makes libs tingle.

Posted by: leapin | April 26, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

___________________________________________

Doesn't matter. He was pretty clear that he didn't want his white mother's vote come election day. In fact, she might as well move to Mexico to become the new white majority there.

Posted by: RobParker | April 26, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't know of any provision in the health care law that eliminates copayments. Perhaps I'm just unaware, but I don't believe this to be the case.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

eaglepeak


if you cared to continue reading the posting, I stated that Obama and Harry Reid want to turn around and get the cooperation of the Republicans - like tomorrow.


This is ridiculous, and silly.


Obama has been making a COMPLETE FRAUD of his bipartisan pledges.

Your half-comment, not recognizing the rest of my posting, is a little childish, dont you think?


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are more concerned about the GRAVE INJUSTICE of asking someone to show their papers - as COMPARED TO THE CRIME OF THE ILLEGALS SHOOTING AMERICAN CITIZENS.

==

You should breathe into a paper bag until you get over that hysteria.

Illegal aliens shooting people is no more a crime than good solid citizens shooting people, and no less.

What a burnout you are.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 26, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This is an excerpt from an abcnews.com article that was obviously written by a mentally impaired liberal:

"the bill would essentially criminalize the presence of the 460,000 illegal immigrants living in the state."


Ummm, they're ALREADY criminals for being here illegally, you liberal numbnuts....no need to further "criminalize" a criminal.


Posted by: RobParker
-----------------------------------------
And somehow it is also "oppression" to send someone back to a country where they are a legal citizen.

Posted by: leapin | April 26, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't "use the system" - never have, never will!

and certainly had you wrecked your car and landed up in the ditch that is precisely what you would have told the ambulance driver. and is that what you wish we tell our cty hospitals when an unisuured gen Y who was playing the rulette wheel of HC and ended up with cancer, burst appendix or serious auto injury; oops I really meant to have HC, now treat me b/c I made a dumb decision and decided to wait 35 years for coverage.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 4:33 PM
-------------------------------------
If people didn't use the system, then uninsured people would be left in their wrecked automobiles to die. There is no point in extracting the injured person for medical care they can't pay for. Because only a millionaire could afford the critical care costs for a serious injury. There is no one in this country who doesn't have access to emergency care, so we are all "using" the system.

The real problem is with discretionary care, like radiation and chemo and surgery for cancer. They don't do that in the ER, last time I checked. I happen to know something about that myself. I would be happy to buy insurance, but am uninsurable.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 26, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

The March 27 shooting death of rancher Rob Krentz on his property in southeastern Arizona


____________________________________


The democrats are more concerned about the GRAVE INJUSTICE of asking someone to show their papers - as COMPARED TO THE CRIME OF THE ILLEGALS SHOOTING AMERICAN CITIZENS.


This where the democrats are right now.

This is what the democrats think about ENFORCING THE LAW.

Show us your papers, Comrade.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

@skipsailing: I'm not sure what you're asking. You bring up unwed mothers and correctly identify them as a major social problem. OK to that point.

Then you identify a number of federal programs aimed at helping them. Gosh, these programs cost money. Was that supposed to be a surprise?

Your argument fell apart at that point. Other than getting in a dig at our godless society in general and blacks in particular, where were you going?

Would you favor freely funded abortions for unwed mothers who want them? Didn't think so. That would certainly be a lot cheaper than a lifetime of welfare.

Do you favor taxpayer funded contraceptives? I would. I bet you wouldn't.

Or even a public information campaign? No?

So what's the point?

And I think you need to understand the circumstances better. To a young black woman in inner-city poverty already, having a baby at a young age is her only chance for a few years of happiness. Yeah I think she should wait for a husband but she knows from those around her that by age 30 her health is going to be shot anyway, and if you want my opinion the way to attack this problem is to attack the hopelessness that makes it attractive.

But that too would cost money and my bet is you're more interested in preserving the Bush tax cuts and helping out inner city poor blacks.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 26, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"Obama hates hispanics".

But if you're young, black, hispanic or female, he'll accept your vote! Otherwise, don't bother him while he's getting rich from the same morons buying his books.

Posted by: RobParker | April 26, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

in response to:
"give poor people lots and lots of condoms and don't lose your sh*t because jeebus or whoever supposedly doesn't like condoms.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse"

Yet condoms are readily available now. And we still face this challenge.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | April 26, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well! Obama, the racist! White men, you have no place in this new country I'm starting. You need to leave! This is really interesting. This is exactly what Robert Mugabe said to the white farmers of Rhodesia, uh, Zimbabwe. This is what the government of South Africa is saying to the white people in that country. Oh, I can't wait until November! It's going to be bloody! Obama has no idea how much he's despised! Why should black people vote for him? What has he done for the black community? NOTHING! And, dear friends, he really has not plans, because he only identified with ELITE BLACKS WHO ATTENDED IVY LEAGUE UNIVERSITIES!

Posted by: georges2 | April 26, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

in response to this:
""It's based on having a number of people "pooling" their money all at the same time banking on a small percentage using it at one time."

Exactly. The operative word being SMALL percentage.

If you don't require everyone to buy in, then only people at high risk will do so since healthier people can just wait.

Meaning a LARGE percentage of people would be using the system and costs would skyrocket.

I bet if health care reform wasn't so politicized, you'd understand this in a heartbeat. It's just because you're so interested in representing the inanity of the so-called conservative view that you're failing to grasp this simple logic.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse"

You are essentially making the opposition's case here. The concepts of "pre existing condition" was mangled during the debate. The real problem is chronic disease.

We possess the capacity to sustain the lives of people who would have died much earlier in bygone days. But that capacity is expensive.

To a person with a serious chronic illness, like MS for example, costs to maintain life are high. Organizing society to help these folks makes sense. I'm not certain at all that the government is the right vehicle however.

and while your explanation of the risk pool concept is good as far as it goes, there is one element that is missing in all of this. Personal choice.

What the insurance industry knows that Obama doesn't is that co pays work. By connecting the patient with the cost of care, rationing is done by the only person that should do it: the patient.

When elaborate risk pools stand between people and the costly choices they make we get over utilization. If we want to rationalize the system, make the patients pay for it.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | April 26, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The Fact that the limp wristed DEms would even entertain the fact they won't get slaughtered in the midterms shows just how far out of touch they are with the American electorate......they just refuse to join reality and stay in the obama-Pelosi socialist dream world...no wonder their polls ratings keep tanking lower.

Posted by: Realist20 | April 26, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

To 37thandOStreet "Obama and Harry Reid want to call a vote on Wall St reform and get a headline against the Republicans"
____________________

Jeez, why shouldn't they seek headlines. If the R's are hoping to get campaign cash from the same banks that sent this country down the tubes, seems like someone ought to blow the whistle. Like Obama or not, he got this right.

Posted by: eaglepeak | April 26, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

give poor people lots and lots of condoms and don't lose your sh*t because jeebus or whoever supposedly doesn't like condoms.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Presumably including his mother Nutjob.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade
-----------------------------------------
His mother may have been a hippie nutjob but I doubt her name was Nutjob. He doesn't show pride in being bi-racial. It more politically expedient to be black. Dividing people into classes makes libs tingle.

Posted by: leapin | April 26, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

in response to this:
"I bet you smoke, drink, are overweight, watch lots of TV, and don't exercise.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 26, 2010 4:02 PM "

The premise of this is that people who don't care for themselves are a burden on society. Were we all in better physical condition the cost of healthcare would decline.

Given that premise, that poor personal choices result in large societal burdens, let me ask a question:

Among the poorest of poor personal choices is a young unwed women having a child. This condemns both mother and child to a lifetime of poverty.

So, there's the poor personal choice.

Now, the burden to society: America has an array of tax payer funded programs aimed at single mothers: WIC, TANF and section 8 come to mind. These programs are very expensive and drain significant resources from society.

What should be done about this? The percentage of children born to unwed mothers grows yearly. It is now over 40% nationally and well over 70% among America's blacks.

If we are willing to create laws that mandate behavior changes for one group, what should we be willing to do about the other, much greater drain?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | April 26, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The March 27 shooting death of rancher Rob Krentz on his property in southeastern Arizona


____________________________________


The democrats are more concerned about the GRAVE INJUSTICE of asking someone to show their papers - as COMPARED TO THE CRIME OF THE ILLEGALS SHOOTING AMERICAN CITIZENS.


This where the democrats are right now.

This is what the democrats think about ENFORCING THE LAW.

Show us your papers, Comrade.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Comrade Big Brother Obozo has really over-reached on his 5 year plan. The next thing you know he'll be planning the next Cultural Revolution and The Great Leap Forward.

Posted by: A1965bigdog | April 26, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

This is an excerpt from an abcnews.com article that was obviously written by a mentally impaired liberal:

"the bill would essentially criminalize the presence of the 460,000 illegal immigrants living in the state."

Ummm, they're ALREADY criminals for being here illegally, you liberal numbnuts....no need to further "criminalize" a criminal.

Posted by: RobParker | April 26, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Did a reporter actually authori this a puff piece or is it just a rehash of the latest DNC press release?

You seem to conveniently forget the 1994 election. Bill Clinton was certainly able to rally the troops as well or better than Obama, he did not do anything nearly so controversial like nationalizing health care, banks, autos and education loans, and still got torched in the election.

Would it be too much to ask the Post for fair and balanced reporting, even in blogs?

Posted by: Boraxo1 | April 26, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Did a reporter actually authori this a puff piece or is it just a rehash of the latest DNC press release?

You seem to conveniently forget the 1994 election. Bill Clinton was certainly able to rally the troops as well or better than Obama, he did not do anything nearly so controversial like nationalizing health care, banks, autos and education loans, and still got torched in the election.

Would it be too much to ask the Post for fair and balanced reporting, even in blogs?

Posted by: Boraxo1 | April 26, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Did a reporter actually authori this a puff piece or is it just a rehash of the latest DNC press release?

You seem to conveniently forget the 1994 election. Bill Clinton was certainly able to rally the troops as well or better than Obama, he did not do anything nearly so controversial like nationalizing health care, banks, autos and education loans, and still got torched in the election.

Would it be too much to ask the Post for fair and balanced reporting, even in blogs?

Posted by: Boraxo1 | April 26, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I do realize this is lengthy. However, you tea baggers could really use a manual of instruction concerning your insanity.

OK...It's real. Here goes...

from wiki


How to Plan a Mad Hatter Tea Party

Contributor
By an eHow Contributing Writer
Article Rating: (49 Ratings)



Add to Favorites


When the Mad Hatter throws a tea party in "Alice in Wonderland," it is not the sedate and dignified affair we usually associate with a tea party. It is a let-loose, crazy, fun time. Planning a Mad Hatter tea party can be almost as much fun as actually having one, from the crazy hats to the table settings. Plan your Mad Hatter tea party with the following steps.

Difficulty: Moderate
Instructions
Things You'll Need:
Invitations
Tables
Chairs
Croquet set or horse shoes game
Decorations
Playing cards
China
Refreshments
Step
1
Choose a location. Choose somewhere outside that has plenty of green lawn and places for tables. A location with a lot of flowers or trees will also help when it comes to transforming the space for the party.
Step
2
Plan a menu. A tea party is just not a tea party without finger foods. Plan a menu that is both easy and appetizing. Guests must be able to talk and eat, so finger-food is the best option. A variety of small desserts and several teas and punches will add just the right touch to your final menu.
Step
3
Arrange for entertainment or games. Since this is a Mad Hatter party, hats would be fitting attire. Arrange for guests to decorate their own crazy hats to wear at the party. Include a game of croquet in your party plans as well as other lawn games, like horseshoes or bocce ball. A few card games set at individual tables will give those who don't want to participate in a physical game something to occupy their time.
Step
4
Decorate for the party. Fresh flowers are always a good idea at a tea party, and this one is not exception. Move your armchairs outside, or decorate plain straight back chairs with covers and large ribbon bows. A Cheshire cat in a tree and a few plastic flamingos will set the stage for your Mad Hatter tea party.
Step
5
Set the table. Use nice white tablecloths on the table along with good silver and mis-matched china. Tiered dessert plates and large glass punch bowls can be used as centerpieces, and a single playing card with a guest's name can be set on each plate to reserve their spot. Use cloth napkins tied with large ribbon bows.
Step
6
Send out invitations. Use handmade cards to invite all your guests at least 2 weeks in advance. Ask guests to R.S.V.P within a week

Posted by: jato11 | April 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

In 2008, nobody fired up the base like Barack Obama. In 2010, many in the base are disillusioned. Right now, this reminds me of 2002. In 2000, the Democratic base was motivated. And, then the Supreme Court caught them off guard and appointed George W Bush president. By 2002, after 9/11, after so much of 2002 in general, Bush's supporters simply wanted Bush a lot more than former Gore supporters wanted to support Democrats.

Everyone says 1994. I don't see 1994 in the sense that I don't see folks screaming about the corrupt Democrats who do nothing with super-majorities they've had for the last 40 years or whatever. Instead, I see energetic and enthusiastic folks on the right. And, I see a disillusioned left, complaining about the death of the public option, the refusal to prosecute Bush folks on detainee treatment, the willingness to go along with some forms of detainee treatment, and etc.

It is setting up really well for the GOP. But, like 2002, things can change. Events have a way of playing out and affecting outcomes. But, as long as the Democrats out there are acting like their presidential candidate is a disappointment, Democrats will lose a lot of close races.

Posted by: teoandchive | April 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to do something radical and talk about the article instead of just yelling lies. I think the Tea Party [or to call it what it is the conservative base of the Republican party] influence is not as great as the MSM would like us to think. The TP rallies in September/October were beginning to get to the size that would make them a voice to be reckoned with. But notice that most of the TP events scheduled for earlier this month were sparsely populated at best. Without the great demon of Healthcare Reform to rail against I think that leaves the TP holding the proverbial bag. Clearly the TP is not that passionate about Wall Street/Big Banks reform and to be honest doubt they will get their tea bags in a twist over energy/environment legislation. Hence that is why you are seeing the GOP operatives trying to fan up the flames of immigration reform - a sure fire issue that will get the border-line racist crowds back in their crazy hats.

Chris, another factor you didn't take into account is that the DNC is raising more money than the GOP is right now even with the Republican's usual base of Wall Street/Big Business Fat Cats with their deep pockets. I would be willing to bet that the core Tea Partiers vote regularlly and voted for Palin/McCain in the last election. We all know that money can help bring up the vote but now the conservatives are strewing their money to Tea Partiers, conservative groups and not the RNC.

Personally I think it is too far away for any side to make pronostications about the midterms. A lot can happen to propel this election either way so I think the MSM should put aside their tea leaves and crystal balls.

Posted by: dre7861 | April 26, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The D's (I'm not one) had better get some enthusiasm fairly soon if they want to see the limited positive change after GW Bush continue. Certainly Obama hasn't been perfect, but dealing with GWB's economic crash and pushing against insurance co.s for health care at the same time is a tall order. Gonna throw in immigration reform? I recently realized that now AZ Governor Brewer is the same former secretary of state that attempted to make sure hispanics (legal ones) couldn't easily register to vote. With such Jose Crow politics the immgration issue could be a bit messy, as it's not an easy issue to tackle and the constituencies aren't well-aligned with what it takes to win in a lot of states. I admire Obama for his tanacity in trying to do something good for our country.

Posted by: eaglepeak | April 26, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Despite an magnificent effort by the right wing noise machine and numerous entertaining characters meant to distract and divide, the indisputable facts remain. Republicans made a mess of The Country and Obama, despite their No-No-No's, has stopped the free-fall and made huge strides in fixing the mess.

Go Obama!

Posted by: thebobbob | April 26, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The March 27 shooting death of rancher Rob Krentz on his property in southeastern Arizona


____________________________________

The democrats are more concerned about the GRAVE INJUSTICE of asking someone to show their papers - as COMPARED TO THE CRIME OF THE ILLEGALS SHOOTING AMERICAN CITIZENS.

This where the democrats are right now.


This is what the democrats think about ENFORCING THE LAW.


Show us your papers, Comrade.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

HELP !!! The Majik Jester in the White House is descriminating against White male on a racial basis by not wanting my vote in November!!!!
Why is he only after Latinos, Blacks and Women???? Does he know that many women are also Tea Party Mobsters???
What a freaking IDIOT he is turning out to be... Unless he has been told by Schumer, Reid and Boxer to avoid looking for voters for them that is!!!

Posted by: redhawk2 | April 26, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"the country is different demographically than in any previous mid-term."

This is why you should have to pass a test before you vote. This could be the goofiest statement in a sea of goofy statements.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | April 26, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"A legal citizen wouldn't have an issue showing a license, registration and proof of insurance when pulled over.

If I get pulled over in Mexico, I'd have to show identification there. Why do liberals have an issue with having people adhere to the law? Do liberals enjoy paying for people who have no legal authority to be in this country"

great you equate our constition with Mexico's.
It is not about showing your DL and proof of insurance, its a requirement that EVERY CITIZEN that travels in Arizona must now carry proof of citizenship. Corporations and tourist companies that interact with Az a state already in economic decline are already starting to indicate they will send their business elsewhere. Read the legislation. It doesn't say if you are anglo or AA or Canadian you are exempt from this law and cannot be randomly stopped and demanded that you show proof of "citizenship". I could care less what the laws are in Mexico, and take no solice to hear that American laws are under R leadership drifting towards similarities with Mexico. And you brag about that?
Japanese Internment Camps were the law during WWII in 1942,and in the 1780s Adams invoked the alien and sedition laws, concepts the GOP would embrace today.

I am urging friends visiting the Grand Canyon this summer to dig out their birth certificates
for park ranger's check.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

HELP !!! The Majik Jester in the White House is descriminating against White male on a racial basis by not wanting my vote in November!!!!
Why is he only after Latinos, Blacks and Women???? Does he know trhat many women are also Tea {arty Mobsters???
What a freaking IDIOT he is turning out to be...

Posted by: redhawk2 | April 26, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Organizing for America - a new name for ACORN?
So taxpayer funds are being used to to re-elect Obama?

Posted by: ohioan | April 26, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

A legal citizen wouldn't have an issue showing a license, registration and proof of insurance when pulled over.

==

If I get pulled over for running a red light, then I expect to get asked for the three papers.

But that isn't what this bill is about.

This bill opens the door to pulling people over while driving impeccably legally, just because the driver has dark skin. That isn't who we are. That frees the most bigoted of cops to act on their racism.

And since a lot of the cops in AZ are Latino, well, this could get interesting. Let's see what happens when a few bone-white Republicans get asked for their passports or naturalization papers.

Can't you just hear it?

"TYranny TYranny TYranny."

Posted by: Noacoler | April 26, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Obama hates white people". Yes, even the liberals ones. He'll take your vote come election day but don't expect any favors in return... dumb sheep.

Posted by: RobParker | April 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

---

Presumably including his mother. Nutjob.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 26, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I think we should check EVERYONE'S papers - that would satisfy the issue of racial profiling.

Show us your papers.


Show us your papers.


I think a Russian accent works much better, Comrade - some are saying German - but the Germans might get offended using their accent.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

to:j2hess

You should listen to the speech. The list is Obama's.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | April 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

___________________________________________

Using a derivative of Kanye's statement:

"Obama hates white people". Yes, even the liberals ones. He'll take your vote come election day but don't expect any favors in return... dumb sheep.

Posted by: RobParker | April 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is dead.

Can some one bury its corpse?

It is stinking up the place.

Posted by: walker1 | April 26, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

While Obama went over the top in '08 with voters who are historically unreliable voters in midterms, the country is different demographically than in any previous mid-term.

Obviously, the Dems ought to take a page out of the Republican playbook and demagogue populist issue relevant to the Democratic base prior to the mid-term elections. For instance, Republicans HAVE TO oppose any reasonable immigration reform, especially before their primaries. Another example is financial reform, which the Republicans appear to be trying to shoot the moon on - opposing it covertly while appearing to be endorsing it publicly.

If Obama and the Democratic leadership in Congress handle it right, the Republicans could LOSE seats - being seen as fighting for the banks and xenophobes. Thank goodness for Obama's chief of staff: he seems to understand that nice guys finish last.

Posted by: dobermantmacleod | April 26, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

How are the republicans going to win in November when they've lost all but one special election? The tape is NOT trending in their directions.
Posted by: blarsen1 | April 26, 2010 3:10 PM
------------------------------- Thank you for that salient point of interest. Right now, with everything going against the GOP and the T-Partiers, I see smaller numbers for PRESIDENT Obama in 2012, and smaller numbers for most Dems in 2010 but he will win again, and the Dem majority will be safe, especially with the support of a few million NEW LEGAL immigrant Hispanics/Latinos/Asians. I can't wait to greet them! These poor ol' GOPers and T-Partiers can't even decide which shoelaces to tie on their velcro shoes, lolol... Sieg Heil, Jan Brewer, the new, modern George Wallace! (And she makes Ms. Pelosi look stunning, as if she weren't already!

Posted by: dakotahgeo | April 26, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

to:j2hess

You should listen to the speech. The list is Obama's.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | April 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Americans will vote for a President who Rammed Obamacare down our throats.
You'd have to be either uninformed, illiterate, ignorant...
But you know what? Those are the type of people who voted for Obama the first time.
hollywood, rock stars, those who watch comedy channel for their news, the drug addicts and winos that ACORN dug up off the streets....

Posted by: ohioan | April 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Lets stop arguing about health insurance - AND WORK TOGETHER TO GET ALL THE ILLEGAL ALIENS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.


That is something we all can agree on.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"It's based on having a number of people "pooling" their money all at the same time banking on a small percentage using it at one time."

Exactly. The operative word being SMALL percentage.

If you don't require everyone to buy in, then only people at high risk will do so since healthier people can just wait.

Meaning a LARGE percentage of people would be using the system and costs would skyrocket.

I bet if health care reform wasn't so politicized, you'd understand this in a heartbeat. It's just because you're so interested in representing the inanity of the so-called conservative view that you're failing to grasp this simple logic.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bsimon1

reddog62 writes
"NO ONE IS EVER REQUIRED TO CARRY AUTO INSURANCE FOR YOUR OWN CAR . . . ONLY LIABILITY FOR THE OTHER DRIVERS!"

You're making the point. We don't have publicly funded car-repair facilities that will fix anyone's car regardless of their ability to pay. We're required to carry liability insurance so that when others get hurt due to our fault, the damages are covered. But if you hurt yourself or your own car, you're on your own.

In our current healthcare system, hospitals don't turn away the indigent from their emergency rooms. Instead, the costs get passed on to local taxpayers and/or other users of the hospital's facilities. So if you break your leg, don't have insurance and have to pay out of pocket, part of what you're being charged will go to covering people who can't pay for the services they receive.

The idea behind universal coverage is that everybody who can afford it is paying into the system, in order to spread the costs over the widest possible pool, which drives the cost borne by any individual as low as possible. If you start to allow the 'young invicibles' to opt-out, costs are driven up as the pool shrinks.
+++++++++++++++++++++

That all sounds great my friend but you can't even begin to compare the cost of car repair to human repair.

If I thought that all of us "pooling" together could actually pay for the bill that's coming I would be for universal care.

It just doesn't work as found in the Mass. model:

Janice Nelson RN
Boston, MA

I live in MA and work here as a nurse. Most citizens like the "idea" of everyone getting healthcare. But this is not universal healthcare. Let's not kid ourselves.

Meanwhile, back at home, we are seeing cut after cut in our towns. The Commonwealth is broke; healthcare for all is too expensive. Our ERs are now filled to capacity as everyone is still using them. Private practices have much longer waiting times and have stopped taking new patients. I have BCBS PPO and everytime I turn around, my co-pays are getting higher. I just paid $40.00 for a prescription re-fill that last year had a $10.00 co-pay. Someone, somewhere is making money, lets not kid ourselves. And I do not see a Commonwealth of healthier folks at all. I still see fundraisers for bone marow transplants. I still see people getting bills for hospital services that were still not covered, all while their premiums have doubled. This "healthcare reform" looks good on paper, but the reality is, it is simply not enough. Nothing is "reformed". It is business as usual.

We need to pay attention to what really happens when we try to cover everyone.

Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"The Democrats might be able to get their dumb minority sheep "

CHRIS CILIZZA -- Why doesn't the Post ban the trailer trash who make these kind of racist remarks?

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

_________________________________________

1) It's true and the truth will set you free.

2) They haven't yet banned you and you're one of the aforementioned dumb minorities who elected the freaks in our government today. People that stupid should not only be banned but locked in Gitmo.

Posted by: RobParker | April 26, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"BECK: What has [Obama] done that is different? I think he’s done exactly what George Bush was doing. I mean we’re talking about a progressive. And George Bush was a progressive. "

And I guess the entire Republican congress was 'progressive' too. This loon's audience are complete idiots who would beleive anything.

Teabaggers are the most gullible people on earth.

Posted by: drindl
------------------------------------------
You don't get it, do you?

Posted by: leapin | April 26, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"We already have emergency insurance for bad car wrecks" presume you understand that there are millions of uninsurred drivers who have you exact same sentiment of Freedom and wrecks you cause w/o a third party liability carrier.

Do you not understand that when those folks end up going to your County medical center for er care wo HC insurance, that YOU PAY THEIR ER AND AMBULANCE BILL with higher property taxes? Apparently the right just doesn't understand that HC is never free as much as they wish. You seem to be perfectly OK with our carrying that tax burden to provide free HC to the uninsurred. That is might generous of you.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Quick eye-corner heuristic for identifying the conservative poster when the writing is too incoherent:

If they mangle the President's name, or mangle another poster's moniker, or if they employ meaningless invented words like "neocom statist" then they're conservatives and are unlikely to be posting original material. PgUp time.

Obummer, Obimbo, democrap, demoncrat, what the hell is the matter with you guys?

Posted by: Noacoler | April 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"It's interesting that Obama omitted whites and males from his list of people the Dems should reach out to. Isn't he supposed to be President of all the people??? His message to the older white male is, "Shut up and pay your taxes so I can give your money away."
Posted by: Chippewa
***

The list was Cillizza's, not Obama's.
I get several emails each week. His message to me is that we are working hard on important issues, that the president can't do it alone, and can I help? He doesn't say 'shut up', but 'talk to your neighbors' And my taxes went down this year. I'm pretty happy.

I also appreciate his focus. It's clear he's setting his agenda with consideration of what is possible given the realities of the election cycle. He's a no-nonsense kind of guy, a relative grown-up after Clinton and Bush. I'm sorry that this upsets you.

Posted by: j2hess | April 26, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Yea Indis and Libertarians will be impressed with R obstruction of Banking Reforms and their newest slogan: Show Me Your Papers.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

__________________________________________

A legal citizen wouldn't have an issue showing a license, registration and proof of insurance when pulled over.

If I get pulled over in Mexico, I'd have to show identification there. Why do liberals have an issue with having people adhere to the law? Do liberals enjoy paying for people who have no legal authority to be in this country to include paying for all of the crimes they commit? Are liberals ok with protecting drug dealers, thieves and murderers who flock to the country illegally by the thousands and we have to pay to lock up, assuming we can CATCH them after they kills our citizens?

Posted by: RobParker | April 26, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

reddog62 writes
"NO ONE IS EVER REQUIRED TO CARRY AUTO INSURANCE FOR YOUR OWN CAR . . . ONLY LIABILITY FOR THE OTHER DRIVERS!"

You're making the point. We don't have publicly funded car-repair facilities that will fix anyone's car regardless of their ability to pay. We're required to carry liability insurance so that when others get hurt due to our fault, the damages are covered. But if you hurt yourself or your own car, you're on your own.

In our current healthcare system, hospitals don't turn away the indigent from their emergency rooms. Instead, the costs get passed on to local taxpayers and/or other users of the hospital's facilities. So if you break your leg, don't have insurance and have to pay out of pocket, part of what you're being charged will go to covering people who can't pay for the services they receive.

The idea behind universal coverage is that everybody who can afford it is paying into the system, in order to spread the costs over the widest possible pool, which drives the cost borne by any individual as low as possible. If you start to allow the 'young invicibles' to opt-out, costs are driven up as the pool shrinks.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 26, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"The Democrats might be able to get their dumb minority sheep "

CHRIS CILIZZA -- Why doesn't the Post ban the trailer trash who make these kind of racist remarks?

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Yea Indis and Libertarians will be impressed with R obstruction of Banking Reforms and their newest slogan: Show Me Your Papers.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: drindl

"The main point is that the comparison still doesn't work . . . but if it makes you feel better about being man-handled be my guest."

We taxpayers are the ones that get 'man-handled' --by having to pay the medical bills of deadbeats like you who don't have insurance.
======================

Hey drindl:

Pay attention . . . I have insurance because I'm paying for it.

You're calling me a deadbeat but advocate paying for "deadbeats". I'm not following you.

Does everyone here know that we already have Medicaid and Medicare the covers the uninsured when things go south for people?

We already have emergency insurance for bad car wrecks and bad diseases . . . now you just want to cover everyone who gets a hang nail . . . the money's not there

Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

I hope people are not going to be fooled twice.

Posted by: rgould22 | April 26, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats might be able to get their dumb minority sheep to vote for them but without the independents, who are mostly white and middle class, there's NO WAY IN A DEMOCRATS'S WET DREAM will they be able to keep control in 2010.

He's already showed his a** to those folks who will elect a squirrel before they vote for another liberal.

Posted by: RobParker | April 26, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Lets stop arguing about health insurance - AND WORK TOGETHER TO GET ALL THE ILLEGAL ALIENS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.


That is something we all can agree on.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The drindldrones, the D bagging free lunch party of the American radical left, and the rest of the neocom statists will be defeated and left wallowing in thier lies.
The msm propagandists will be scurrying like the rats they are.

Posted by: leapin | April 26, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"The main point is that the comparison still doesn't work . . . but if it makes you feel better about being man-handled be my guest."

We taxpayers are the ones that get 'man-handled' --by having to pay the medical bills of deadbeats like you who don't have insurance.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

A bumper sticker and a phony slogan does it for a brainless conservative. Lack argument, no problem; God will tell you what to say.

Posted by: rappahanock | April 26, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"BECK: What has [Obama] done that is different? I think he’s done exactly what George Bush was doing. I mean we’re talking about a progressive. And George Bush was a progressive. "

And I guess the entire Republican congress was 'progressive' too. This loon's audience are complete idiots who would beleive anything.

Teabaggers are the most gullible people on earth.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The Replican enthusiasm to be given another term to continue the rot that they brought the US to over 8 years.

If you condemn people who have done a lot in one year to try and stablise that sinking ship, then Americans will really be deserving of the loony label.

Posted by: sithole | April 26, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leichtman1

you know we heard those exact same sentiments about Freedom when motorcyle owners were required to wear helmets, when seat belts were mandated and auto makers were required to install seatbelts and airbags, you are taking away my Freedom. what is with that sentiment that they should be free to suffer injury and worse and that the rest of us then pick up their tab for their freedom.
=========================

You're right . . . I'm not for helmet laws and seat belt laws either unless they are for kids . . . I think people that drive motorcycles are at a huge risk with our without a helmet.

The main point is that the comparison still doesn't work . . . but if it makes you feel better about being man-handled be my guest.


Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The Replican enthusiasm to be given another term to continue the rot that they brought the US to over 8 years.

If you condemn people who have done a lot in one year to try and stablise that sinking ship, then Americans will really be deserving of the loony label.

Posted by: sithole | April 26, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

we can agree to do everything we can to stop illegals from entering the country but only you and Pat Buchanan want to deport 12 million.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza can put whatever liberal spin on this he wants to, but I have faith that the American people won't buy into Obama's lies a second time. The Republican will begin to regain control this November, and will complete the liberal rout in November, 2012. Obama's legacy is destined to become just a dark spot in American history.

Posted by: lesturgill | April 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Lets stop arguing about health insurance - AND WORK TOGETHER TO GET ALL THE ILLEGAL ALIENS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

That is something we all can agree on.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't "use the system" - never have, never will!

and certainly had you wrecked your car and landed up in the ditch that is precisely what you would have told the ambulance driver. and is that what you wish we tell our cty hospitals when an unisuured gen Y who was playing the rulette wheel of HC and ended up with cancer, burst appendix or serious auto injury; oops I really meant to have HC, now treat me b/c I made a dumb decision and decided to wait 35 years for coverage.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

If more than half Americans are rational people, the Republican party would remain a fringe party for ever. Really! They are pathetic liars and fake Christians, they don't care about America. All they want is no government at all so their corporate lords may steal with impunity and they don't even want we have the ability to sue their as.sses when they steal our money .

Posted by: rappahanock | April 26, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Noacoler
I have insurance because I work my butt off and pay for it! I work out 3 times a week and went without insurance for 35 years of my life because I had the choice to do so!

What don't you get about freedom? Do you even understand the concept?

==

I've heard a canary make more sense.

You have insurance, but you didn't have it for 35 years. So you waited until you were advanced enough in years that your likelihood for needing insurance passed some threshhold; you didn't pay into the system until then, so if you do get sick you will take much more away from insurance than you ever put it. Gotcha.

Yeah I understand the concept of freedom and I daresay I get it a lot better than you do. Hint, exclamation-point-boi, it means something other than "acting like a jerk."
=============

Not only do you not get freedom - you don't get insurance either.

You don't pay into a "system" for years and then start using it. It's based on having a number of people "pooling" their money all at the same time banking on a small percentage using it at one time. It doesn't take years to build it up.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

you know we heard those exact same sentiments about Freedom when motorcyle owners were required to wear helmets, when seat belts were mandated and auto makers were required to install seatbelts and airbags, you are taking away my Freedom. what is with that sentiment that they should be free to suffer injury and worse and that the rest of us then pick up their tab for their freedom.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the leftists are being VIOLENT in Arizona - and they are vandalizing government property.

What say you - all ye liberals who have criticized the Tea Party - and the great danger.


The leftists were also yelling slurs of "Gringo, gringo , gringo" Are you on-board with those slurs too ????


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leichtman1

Your ridiculous argument is that govt doesn t make any other type of insurance or liabilities mandatory and that there is no burden to society when a conservative stomps their feet and whines they don t want to buy HC b/c they think it is free when they need it. They think they can simply game the system when an emergency occurs and they think should be entitled to immediately be entitled to opt in. Well you are wrong auto liability is MANDATORY and so is collecting and paying your FICA. Personally all those here whining about mandatory HC coverage should be denied ER care when they show up at their local cty ER uninsurred.
========================

I don't know why I am wasting my time but let me try one more time:

I don't "use the system" - never have, never will!

I'm not "whining" about paying a certain amount of tax for services we all depend on.

This is over the line . . . Where should this stop? College education, homes? Are these all human rights?


Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

i see zouk is now simonsays... funny.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I have insurance because I work my butt off and pay for it! I work out 3 times a week and went without insurance for 35 years of my life because I had the choice to do so!

What don't you get about freedom? Do you even understand the concept?

==

I've heard a canary make more sense.

You have insurance, but you didn't have it for 35 years. So you waited until you were advanced enough in years that your likelihood for needing insurance passed some threshhold; you didn't pay into the system until then, so if you do get sick you will take much more away from insurance than you ever put it. Gotcha.

Yeah I understand the concept of freedom and I daresay I get it a lot better than you do. Hint, exclamation-point-boi, it means something other than "acting like a jerk."

Posted by: Noacoler | April 26, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Lets face the FACTS: Republicans (Reagan, Bush, Gingritch, Palin, George Will, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachman, Demint, etc. etc. ) have been and are utter complete lunatics.

To be exact what this means is that Republicans are paid agents of the Top Brass of Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc. aka Wall Street Gang) who are making $40Mill per year and flying in $50Mill private Jets, and as such they have been part of one of the Ultimate Con Jobs in the history of man kind, perpetrated on the American people, for the last many decades. The purpose of which Con Job are the following 2 Key objectives:
1- To give American people as little as possible for the Taxes that we pay,
2- To enable the Wall Street Gang and their Agents to get as rich as they can off the back of the American middle class (people) by not having the Government (of the People by the People for the People) regulate what they can do for the benefit of the People, such as regulate them from charging criminal level interest rates of 20%, or have Universal nationalized health care, as they have in ALL Europeans countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, etc.

And to get away with this Ultimate Con Job, Republicans have been saying any insane thing, any lunatic thing, no matter how senseless and illogical, such as:
1- "Government cannot do anything..."
2- "Government is the problem not the solution..."
etc. etc.

Which translated means:
1- You the People cannot do anything, since this is supposed to be the "Government of the People by the People for the People"
2- Pay about 40% of your income in Taxes and get almost nothing for your Taxes
3- Only the Rich & Big corporations "can do things... and are the solution...." IF we can brain wash you people to believe that the Government of the People cannot do anything... and thus the Con Job is complete.

After all, if "the US Government cannot do anything..." then:
1- Why the HEK are we paying about 40% of our income in various form of Taxes*?
2- Are you saying that we should operate the US Military, Police, Fire, Courts of law, etc. etc. on private basis?

More here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

Posted by: RealNews1 | April 26, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Personally all those here whining about mandatory HC coverage should be denied ER care when they show up at their local cty ER uninsurred.

Posted by: leichtman1"

Nah, no need to give such a severe punishment for their stupidity. I'm perfectly happy making them buy insurance despite their screaming.

To go for 35 years without health insurance? That is about the height of stupidity.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"What don't you get about freedom? Do you even understand the concept?"

LOL... this has nothing to do with 'freedom'--the founding fathers would have laughed in your face.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD"I have insurance because I work my butt off and pay for it! I work out 3 times a week and went without insurance for 35 years of my life because I had the choice to do so!"

haha, this says a lot.
=======================

You want to clarify? I'm not following.

You want to live in a world where you're taxed for breathing? Go for it

Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Your ridiculous argument is that govt doesn t make any other type of insurance or liabilities mandatory and that there is no burden to society when a conservative stomps their feet and whines they don t want to buy HC b/c they think it is free when they need it. They think they can simply game the system when an emergency occurs and they think should be entitled to immediately be entitled to opt in. Well you are wrong auto liability is MANDATORY and so is collecting and paying your FICA. Personally all those here whining about mandatory HC coverage should be denied ER care when they show up at their local cty ER uninsurred.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

'There's a LOT of disgust in this country!"

At Republicans? You bet there is. They manage to disgust me every single day.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"I have insurance because I work my butt off and pay for it! I work out 3 times a week and went without insurance for 35 years of my life because I had the choice to do so!"

haha, this says a lot.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

A mandate does protect others. It protects them from higher insurance premiums that would come about if people could just wait until they got sick before purchasing coverage which they would be promised due to the ban of restricting coverage to those with pre-existing conditions.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Noacoler
2) you don't have insurance: you get treated at taxpayer expense, meaning an extra burden on people who take better care of their responsibilities than you do.

I bet you smoke, drink, are overweight, watch lots of TV, and don't exercise.
==================

I have insurance because I work my butt off and pay for it! I work out 3 times a week and went without insurance for 35 years of my life because I had the choice to do so!

What don't you get about freedom? Do you even understand the concept?

Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Get over the healthcare thing!
go buy a pack of smokes,
be like barrack!
Remember, it's your patriotic
duty to pay taxes.
and barrack is a Multi Millionaire,
so he be knowing about them taxes!!

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 26, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote:
It's insane that the government would ever, ever, ever force citizens to purchase anything they don't want!

Yeah like auto insurance and motorcycle helmets.

You just chant "freedom freedom freedom" there's a good lad
=================

Hey Noacoaler:

Learn the difference . . . Driving is a privilege . . . insurance protects others.

Health insurance is a product not a right. Whether I have it or not doesn't effect others. Oranges and apples!

I shouldn't have to buy something because I'm breathing!

Get a clue
==============

One more thing about this stupid comparison I forgot to mention:

NO ONE IS EVER REQUIRED TO CARRY AUTO INSURANCE FOR YOUR OWN CAR . . . ONLY LIABILITY FOR THE OTHER DRIVERS!

EVERYONE ON THE LEFT: STOP USING THIS ARGUMENT - IT DOES NOT WASH

Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Yes We Can!
even if you can't afford to
contribute, we can use your
name and info!
Remember!
the Ends justify the Means!!!
GoBama!!!

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 26, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Health insurance is a product not a right. Whether I have it or not doesn't effect others.

==

Thanks for marginalizing yourself all in one fell swoop.

You take a fall down the stairs, injure your spine.

(1) you have insurance: your insurance pays for it, unless of course you have "free market insurance" in which case they call your accident a pre-existing condition or drop you for some spurious reason you don't have the means to fight.

(2) you don't have insurance: you get treated at taxpayer expense, meaning an extra burden on people who take better care of their responsibilities than you do.

I bet you smoke, drink, are overweight, watch lots of TV, and don't exercise.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 26, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The leftists are becoming VIOLENT - in their protests in Arizona - and they are vandalizing public property.

HHHMMMM

OK all the leftists who were warning about the Tea Party movement - please get on the phone and call YOUR SIDE AND TELL THEM TO RESTRAIN THEMSELVES.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Whether I have it or not doesn't effect others. Oranges and apples!

I shouldn't have to buy something because I'm breathing!

Get a clue"


yea the clue is that your HC is not free and does effect other even for all those genY conservatives who think they are entitled to FREE HC. When your appendix burst or you crash your dirt bike and end up in my Cty ER and demand Free Medical care who do you think pays for it? Everyone in my county that pays property taxes.

try telling your employer to not collect and pay your FICA tax. That's right its MANDATORY just like buckling your seat belt and buying car insurance.

Anyone else want to claim they are going to jail by not buying HC? Personally I wish the idiots making such ridiculous suggestions would have to deal with that.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"The recession has sharply curtailed illegal immigration to the United States. According to Princeton political scientist Douglas Massey, the number of undocumented residents in the United States peaked at 12.6 million in 2008 and fell to 10.8 million in 2009."

Does anyone REALLY know how many illegal Mexicans are in the US? Of course not. Part of the Federal policy of ignoring illegal Hispanic immigration includes not bothering to keep statistics on their number, criminal activity, and cost to society. Feds also try to hide their antisocial behavior by classifying them as white when tabulating crime rates. The best way to figure out the number of illegals in your state is to count the number of Hispanic children enrolled in the elementary schools and divide by the fertility rate of Hispanic women since pretty much ALL Hispanics in the US came here illegally -- and recently.

Posted by: greg3 | April 26, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

is your software screwed up? the comment i made today, which was refused, was my very first!

Posted by: copelandglenn | April 26, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

is your software screwed up? the comment i made today, which was refused, was my very first!

Posted by: copelandglenn | April 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

is your software screwed up? the comment i made today, which was refused, was my very first!

Posted by: copelandglenn | April 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

is your software screwed up? the comment i made today, which was refused, was my very first!

Posted by: copelandglenn | April 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

america has had enough of
pelosi reid frank obama.
These are the idiots that
conspired to gain power
at any and all costs.

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Okay all you open border folks -- lets cut to the end game. We should just mail every person in the world a US passport. Make everyone a dual citizen. Let's just get it over with-!! Fools.

Posted by: BadNews | April 26, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

chris, why does nobody talk about the individual state party apparatus that governor dean put together, and which was supposedly so important in the 2006 and 2008 elections. does the dnc still foster these groups? i know that rahm emanuel hated dean and his work, and is much more comfortable with raising the big bucks from the big donors, a la terry mcauliffe. could you discuss this in a future blog? seems to me that if the dems don't have such support at the state and local level, they will be losing significant points of turnout. after all, as the daley machine in chicago has proven, decade after decade, detailed local participartion counts.

Posted by: copelandglenn | April 26, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it HILARIOUS that the illegal aliens claim to be such great supporters of the CONSTITUTION - however they can't be bothered to follow immigration laws ???

The Constitution doesn't allow them to walk around, breaking the law.

They are twisting the meaning of our Constitution.

Meanwhile - Obama should show his papers - sign a RELEASE AUTHORIZING THE HAWAII DEPT OF HEALTH AND ALL HIS COLLEGES TO RELEASE THE RECORDS.

Transparency is good for everyone.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I believe that this article, by far, underestimates the voter fury that exhists regarding the current members of the House and Senate. My guess is that voter turn-out for the mid-term elections this year will be record-breaking. There's a LOT of disgust in this country!

Posted by: bwshook1 | April 26, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama thinks he was elected by a majority made up of minorities. He's wrong. He was elected by minorities PLUS a large chunk of the so-called moderates who are mostly whites who have no political convictions of their own. These wishy-washy, middle-of-the-roaders just got run over by the Obama bus and they are injured and mad.

Obama has lost that which made him in 2008 and he is dragging congressional Democrats over the cliff with him.

The Obama, immigration reform fraud is just the latest miscalculation that will help seal his fate as a one-term presidential disaster.

Jimmy Carter, move over!

Posted by: battleground51 | April 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Americans will rise up to dethrone this accidental president who only won by media propaganda and GOP stupidity.

Posted by: ravitchn | April 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Send in the army - draw the guns, ask for papers - and send them all back "

this 37 character would have been licking the jackboots of the gestapo...

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Haley Barbour is now begging for government money to rebuild after the tornado. So, who's a socialist now?

Posted by: blarsen1 | April 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Obama formally kicked off the White House's involvement in the 2010 midterm elections this morning via a web video in which he sets the goal for November as a re-creation of the electoral makeup in 2008. (AP)"

Obama formally began his involvement in the 2010 elections the day he was sworn in. He has used (misused, actually) to fly around the country, and even the world, giving campaign speeches. He is supposed to be overseeing (not running) the country. Considering his abject incompetance, we should probably be thankfull he is just running around blowing smoke from his backside. I thought the sun was out the other day - turns out AF1 was flying over and the "camaigner in chief" was "mooning" from the "flying Obama circus election campaign bus".

And he began his 2008 campaign the day he left Chicago to supposedly represent his constituents in the Senate.

Turn in AF1, grab your Koran, convert your prayer carpet to a flying carpet and return to Chicago. Contrary to popular belief, Chicago does have ONE redeeming feature - an international DEPARTURE lounge, Use it and return to your roots in E Africa. Or you could go live with your friends - I understand Yemen is nice this time of the year.

Posted by: armagedon | April 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

yes We Can!
we got healthcare reform for just over a trillion,
not financial reform that will only cost
$50 billion per bail out.
cap and trade will make third world countries more able to compete with
american workers,

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Can 2010 be a 2008 repeat? ABSOLUTELY, just watch! Go DEMOCRATS Go! Unleash the OBAMA power against the Wacko Tea Bagger Republicans!

With Health Care Reform passed and Financial Reform in the making (that Republicans are BLOCKING), I've decided to reinstate my monthly financial contributions to the Democratic Party!

Posted by: BernatvorBernadette5 | April 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse


Isn't it HILARIOUS that the illegal aliens claim to be such great supporters of the CONSTITUTION - however they can't be bothered to follow immigration laws ???

The Constitution doesn't allow them to walk around, breaking the law.

They are twisting the meaning of our Constitution.

Meanwhile - Obama should show his papers - sign a RELEASE AUTHORIZING THE HAWAII DEPT OF HEALTH AND ALL HIS COLLEGES TO RELEASE THE RECORDS.

Transparency is good for everyone.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote:
It's insane that the government would ever, ever, ever force citizens to purchase anything they don't want!

Yeah like auto insurance and motorcycle helmets.

You just chant "freedom freedom freedom" there's a good lad
=================

Hey Noacoaler:

Learn the difference . . . Driving is a privilege . . . insurance protects others.

Health insurance is a product not a right. Whether I have it or not doesn't effect others. Oranges and apples!

I shouldn't have to buy something because I'm breathing!

Get a clue


Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Severe recessions can make people crazy and mean. During the Great Depression, immigration to the United States from Mexico virtually ceased, but states began arresting and deporting Mexicans, many of whom were in the country legally. The Mexican population of the United States fell by 41 percent during the 1930s. And the same kind of thing is happening again.

The recession has sharply curtailed illegal immigration to the United States. According to Princeton political scientist Douglas Massey, the number of undocumented residents in the United States peaked at 12.6 million in 2008 and fell to 10.8 million in 2009. Nowhere did it fall more sharply than in Arizona, where the number of illegal immigrants dropped by 100,000 over the last year. "

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Godspeed Nov. 2: The day when we remove one of the levers of federal power from the Marxists in the Congress and neuter the President's ability to shove stuff down our throats.

Thanks to Chuck U. Schumer, and let's not forget F. Chuck Todd. Losers.

Posted by: 50Eagle | April 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

no the point is that you came to this site and deliberately posted a lie, claiming people will go jail if they don t buy HC. You likely knew that was a lie but through it on this post anyway.

I am sick to death of bailing out young, cocky,invinsible, uninsurred people who think that they can game the system and dump their HC costs on county tax payors when their abendix explodes or they crash their motorcycles or dirtbikes and end up in my county hospital, uninsurrd and demanding free ER HC and jack up my property taxes. I hear that same whining by bad drunk drivers who resent being forced to buy liability insurance, wear their seat belts or when their emplyer deducts FICA from their paycheck. The rest of us are sick of having to carry your insurance load.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

How short memories are. The country was in the crapper when Obama was inaugurated, without a doubt headed for Great Depression II. Obama and his folks basically did what every responsible economist said they needed to do to keep the world economy afloat. They did a lot of things they didn't want to do but had to do -- that's what mature leaders, those not bound to ideology, do. Meanwhile, the Republican Party, which drove the car off the road, never apologized to the country for mismananaging the country and in fact has done nothing but whine and complain for the last year and a half and blame others for the country's problems. Hopefully voters have the brains to see through the Fox News propaganda and know who saved everybody's bacon. Hopefully they haven't forgotten whose stupid, blind policies got us into this mess.

Posted by: tboyer33 | April 26, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

reddog62 and leichtman1


The Obama people want to ENFORCE the provision that everyone has to buy health insurance.

However, enforcing immigration law is OUT OF THE QUESTION.

GET IT ???

YOU pay, and the illegal aliens run WILD.

THIS IS THE VISION OF OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

It's insane that the government would ever, ever, ever force citizens to purchase anything they don't want!

==

Yeah like auto insurance and motorcycle helmets.

You just chant "freedom freedom freedom" there's a good lad

Posted by: Noacoler | April 26, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

simonsays1


I have to agree - however I have seen thousands and thousands of illegal aliens - carrying signs - saying that they want to stay illegal aliens in this country.

There was a woman from La Raza on msnbc today who was threatening the State of Arizona, she was saying if they enforce the law, there will be costs.

This is our country - and we have to protect it.


Send in the army - draw the guns, ask for papers - and send them all back

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to think about how the next election cycle will look. There are a variety of dynamics but my quick review of the comments here didn't reveal one that speaks about Obama himself.

Americans can only vote for the first black president once. We did that. Now we're done with it. It will be very tough to motivate disinterested folks who turned out for Obama to turn out for a congressman whose name they cannot remember.

In addition, one of Obama's main sources of GOTV was ACORN. Those crooks are gone, so now what?

And yes, the economy is important, but it seems to me that the perception of the status of the economy will result in people looking to their local officials. Here in Ohio the unemployment rate is dreadful. As long as we're above the national average the Democrats in power are at risk. Strickland has watched unemployment double on his watch. He'll pay, and so will all the Democrats aligned with him. Its going to be a major shift.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | April 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1 wrote:

"The claim that people could be thrown in jail for NOT buying health insurance is not a LIE. They will face a fine or jail. It is in there...just read it..."

I have and your post is c***. There are minimal CIVIL PENALTIES that the bill then
goes on and proclaims that there are no enforcment mechanism included.

I presume but doubt you have the intelligence to know that you can't put someone in jail for an unenforceable CIVIL Penalty. your post was beyond pathetic.
=============================

Here's the deal leichtman:

Whether it's jail time, fines, or penalties it's the legislation that's c***!

It's insane that the government would ever, ever, ever force citizens to purchase anything they don't want!

WAKE UP OBAMA WORSHIPPERS!

Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

JRM2 to your comment at 3:25


I mean all the taxes in the health care bill - which far EXCEED anything in the one-time stimulus bill.

Apparently this is what OBAMA IS CALLING A TAX CUT:


Obama has been BORROWING MONEY FROM CHINA - AND JUST MAILING CHECKS TO THE INNER CITIES THROUGH THE EXPANSION OF THE EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT.

Borrowing money to mail out checks ????


IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL A TAX CUT ??

Apparently you read one or two stats, and you are trying to make some partisan mish-mash of a statement.

YOU have no idea what you are talking about.


___________________________________

Yes, we have to get RID of Obama's taxes before they begin to choke off hiring and the economic recovery, which Obama deserves ZERO credit for.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I watched hundreds of illegal aliens,
carrying signs, protesting...
in the United States,
and it occurred to me,
how the National Socialists
came to power.
Thanks Chris, another great story.
The Power of Denial_

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Missing from his target audience are small and medium sized businesses!! WONDER WHY?

Just how long does he think he can squeeze those who really create jobs before they move elsewhere?? Think a growing number targeted in this ad are beginning to realize the same thing -- especially those who have been looking for work over six months.

Guess this is what we get for electing a novice, and someone with ZERO EXPERIENCE in the WORLD OF WORK!! Pretty sad!

PS: For some reason, he does not seem to have his heart in this one!! Anyone else sense the same thing??

Posted by: wheeljc | April 26, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

CC asked:

Can 2010 be a 2008 repeat?
---------
No.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

wapo starting a bit early on the propoganda road for odumbo and gang. this fool will lose the hill in nov.and will be writing his BS memoirs and be on the lecture circuit at $$$$$$$$$ a pop in two years

Posted by: pofinpa | April 26, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama's administration will have a tough time if he keeps up with his Bushian interpretation of the Patriot Act and keeping Americans from bringing suit against the governemnet for violating their rights. When did he come up with this "sovereign rights" crap?
And on another issue: Lying about Blago senat pick involvement seems very Watergatish to me.
Live by the lie, die by the lie. Remember Obama, partial deception is the worst kind of lie.
Live up to your promises. Stop the loose lips crap.

Posted by: steve_j | April 26, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead an ignore the Scott Brown phenomenah . . . blame the democrat that ran against him . . .

Everyone knows that if the Dems had put Mickey Mouse up he would have won in Mass.

THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN BY SOMEONE ON CRACK OR HAS A SERIOUS MAN CRUSH ON PRESIDENT SMILEY . . .

Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"The claim that people could be thrown in jail for NOT buying health insurance is not a LIE. They will face a fine or jail. It is in there...just read it..."

I have and your post is c***. There are minimal CIVIL PENALTIES that the bill then
goes on and proclaims that there are no enforcment mechanism included.


I presume but doubt you have the intelligence to know that you can't put someone in jail for an unenforceable CIVIL Penalty.
your post was beyond pathetic.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

fine, show me where is says it.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse


Obomba wants to hurry up and pass immigration "reform" so he can get millions of new votes and then say he created millions of new jobs.

I read in the news yesterday that black Americans are being seriously displaced from getting a job because the illegals are stealing them away from the black people. Duh! Obomba is not only anti-American he is also anti-black American! Somebody better investigate and see if Obomba is a member of La Raza and/or the KKK.

Once these illegals are given documentation they will also steal the unemployment and other benefits away from blacks and other Americans.

Oboma, go back to your country in Africa.

Posted by: maphound | April 26, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I want the Right Wing Nuttosphere to keep dismissing Obama. I want those dunces to keep shouting into the wingnut echo chamber that he's toast, that the GOP will crush him, that he doesn't have a chance at re-election, and that the Dems will be roasted in Nov. Let 'em keep this cr*p up. I am not betting against him. Hey wingnut whackos: have at em! Knock yourselves out. I'm gonna open a beer and enjoy the ride...

Posted by: raqualung | April 26, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"The country has learned from that experience - The country need to get rid of Obama's taxes
Posted by: 37thand0street"
---------
Which taxes are you talking about, do you mean his tax cuts?

Did you know that taxes are now lower than under Reagan, lower now than in over 50 years?

Or do you mean the tax breaks for the richest 2% of Americans that are going to sunset next year?

There is a difference between putting forth a legislative bill to raise taxes and letting a tax law that was enacted ten years ago expire as it was designed to do.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 26, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/re_measuring_epistemic_closure.html

This is a cool post. A study was done on liberals and conservatives as to how much exposure they get to the news and how it affects their knowledge. It's pretty striking. The more that liberals are exposed to news, the better they can answer questions. The opposite is true for conservatives. The more that they are exposed to news, the WORSE they do on the questions. Presumably this is because they tend to gravitate towards things like FOX news and Rush Limbaugh which constantly feed people falsehoods.

As for liberals, there really isn't an equivalent of FOX news, at least in scope. The major media players are all conservative. Olbermann and Maddow just don't have the reach.

And while I don't watch those two much, I don't ever remember either of them stating something that was false. Yes, they are definitely selective with the truth, but I don't know if I've ever heard them lie the way that say every single conservative pundit was claiming that Obama would start tossing people in jail for not buying health insurance.

Posted by: DDAWD
======================================================================================

The claim that people could be thrown in jail for NOT buying health insurance is not a LIE. They will face a fine or jail. It is in there...just read it... the whole thing is being phased in over the course of the next 6 years so they just haven't put anyone in jail yet since that phase is not inacted as of yet.

Ezra's opinion piece you point to is not a good example to bring to the table either. As for "liberal" commentators never lying ( as you put it ) is a false argument... conveniently omitting facts or twisting truth for your own view-point is the same as lying since you are not presenting the whole truth and only half-truths. ( or as you call it selective with the truth )

Posted by: tbastian | April 26, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

curious what all these brilliant GOP prognosticators here claiming they will win 100 seats in Nov will be saying when the April-May employment figures show we have created
400-500,000 seats in April. Oh boohoo we can't have that it might hurt our election predictions.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth would anybody vote for a party that did the following:
Squandered a surplus into a record deficit.

Allowed the worst terrorist attack on America despite repeated warnings in the form of PDB's and from their chief counter-terrorism official, then was photographed kissing the ring and walking hand-in-hand with the ruler of the country that sent nearly every member of the terrorist attack as if to thank him for it.

Started 2 wars, one of which at the very least was arguably misguided and then left office without finishing the job on either.

Allowed a major city to drown.

Set the policies that burned down our economy.

Changed world opinion of the United States to a record low.

If any of these Republicans were changing tune i'd consider them, but if anything they have gotten crazier.

Meanwhile under the present administration things are getting (admittedly slowly) better on nearly every front I've mentioned.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 26, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it does echo here!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 26, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it does echo here!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 26, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Lots of time for unexpected things to happen before November.

It wouldn't be the first first for this President....

Posted by: FirstMouse1 | April 26, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it does echo here!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it does echo here!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

DUMBEST ARTICLE SO FAR ON OBUMBLE AND THE DEMOCRATS!
========================

Has anyone forgotten that our "traveler in chief" is 0 for 3 in races where he has "come to the rescue"?

If he couldn't help pull out a win in Mass. where the "patron saint of the left" died where else in the land does he have any magic?

I'll twist an old Anti-bush slogan for the pres. and his cronies = = = He lied, the election's fried!

Posted by: reddog62 | April 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Wishful thinking Chris. A lot can happen between now and election day but if the Dems continue on their current path they will lose control of the House and maybe even the Senate. Obama or no I was reading that some Dems are not keen on Obama campaigning for them. Look what happened to Crist when Obama gave him that hug.

Posted by: cleancut77 | April 26, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

This is nothing but a Dumbocrat echo chamber. You may be able to motivate your hard core left wing pinko commies, but you've alienated everyone else. This is going to be a wipe out. The red tide is rolling in. ROLL TIDE!!!

VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

Posted by: A1965bigdog | April 26, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

This is nothing but a Dumbocrat echo chamber. You may be able to motivate your hard core left wing pinko commies, but you've alienated everyone else. This is going to be a wipe out. The red tide is rolling in. ROLL TIDE!!!

VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

Posted by: A1965bigdog | April 26, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm what a lot of posters on here would call a demoncrat or a libtard and even i can see this year is not gonna be a good one for Dems.

We Dems should be putting all of our resources into the strong tossup seats that may or may not flip and go after a few of the weak GOP or open seats IMHO and forget about the rhetoric coming from the WH...after all, I'm not sure it's all that helpful at this point.

Posted by: dc1020008 | April 26, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

good for you. Guess the lonnie conservative radicals here haven't heard yet that the 2008 POTUS election is over and your side got crushed. Their constant whining is really getting stale.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

How are the republicans going to win in November when they've lost all but one special election? The tape is NOT trending in their directions.

Posted by: blarsen1 | April 26, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us--the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of 'anything goes.' Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America--there is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America--there's the United States of America."--state senator Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention, July 27, 2004

For the first time in my adult life, I'm ashamed of the President of United States.

Posted by: gorams1 | April 26, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Oboobma can only win by motivating his tiny hard left moonbat base while hoodwinking the rest of us. But he has proved his talent in that regard, and he has the media's unquestioning loyalty. The MSM will be working furiously to propagate the lies and obfuscation.

Truth will out in the end, but it is going to take an enormous sustained effort.

Posted by: thebump | April 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

No Hillary lost and she is doing just fine thank you, as SOS, butshe would be thoroughly disgusted to read your constant Obama diatribes insulting POTUS OBAMA and would likely tell you that your rants are not what she or her fine campaign was all about. I am just fine and my portfolio is up 35% since Jan 2009, but thanks for asking.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh, what is this? 2/3 of Americans back financial reform? I guess it makes sense that 41 Republicans are going to filibuster the motion, not to pass any bill, but to bring it up for debate! Republicans are taking the position that there should be absolutely 100% ZERO change to the status quo.

I suppose their concerns about what the majority of Americans want that was so prevalent with health care no longer matter.

Works for me. This is going to be more toxic to Republicans than any Obama involvement. Republicans can't even claim to vote against a bad bill now. They are filibustering the DEBATE on a bill!

Republicans will still gain seats in the House and Senate, probably, but they are squandering a good political environment for them. And they will lose their gains in 2012 when faced with the tidal wave of being downballot from Obama.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

peterdc

The history of Bill Clinton's terms was one of gradually losing power - exactly what this country DOES NOT need right now.


Bill Clinton was a complete mess - going from bad policy to bad policy.


The country has learned from that experience - The country need to get rid of Obama's taxes - and get someone who will put the country back on the right path.

Obama has made himself a WEAK PRESIDENT -


Obama's insistence on a far-left agenda has made him even WEAKER.


quite pathetic.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Incidentally, I do so love it when folk who did not vote for President Obama in 2008 and would never for even a second consider or have considered voting for Obama in any election now purport themselves to possess expert knowledge on his electability. Before I'm convinced Obama is really electoral poison in any race as so many here today have claimed, I think I'm going to have to meet at least one person who voted for Obama in 2008 but has decided he or she will never vote for any Democrat in 2010. And when I say "meet," I mean that I would need to actually be able to physically have a conversation with this person; it can't just be some anonymous guy on a message board claiming he fits the bill.

All these people forecasting electoral disaster for the Democrats based on just how much of a big stupid jerkface Obama is remind me of the folk in 2004 who figured their vehement hatred of President Bush surely meant he and the Republicans would be destroyed at the voting booth. We all saw how that turned out.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | April 26, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama is toast. The people that voted for him in 2008 were drawn to him by his rhetoric and promises he had no intention of keeping.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize he is arrogant and inexperienced as many of us knew. It is now so obvious that he has no leadership ability because he's never been in charge of anything.

He has surrounded himself with radicals and blatantly pushed forward a socialistic agenda. He has failed to keep any campaign promise that got him elected.

In 2008 he got votes from a lot of people who usually didn't vote. This year he has again aroused a sleeping giant, and they aren't in his court.

Nay sayers will see that the Tea Party has millions of silent members. They aren't racist, they aren't violent, but they are a force to contend with.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | April 26, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

If by enthused, you mean a bunch of hate filled bigots frothing at the mouth about nothing (i.e. see any dumb post by homeless poster calling himself 37&O street), then I guess the GOP is full of enthusiasm.

Posted by: LABC | April 26, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's see... in just 15 months:

First prosecution of one of the financial thieves who put us into this Recession.

Signed "Lilly Ledbetter," CHIP and limited credit card reform laws.

Has the military successfully "removing" terrorist leadership in the field with remarkably little blow-back.

Passed the American Recovery and reinvestment Act, which is working very well and minimizing the length of this Recession.

Getting a postive cash flow out of Bush's TARP program and turning around America's auto industry. Whodathunkit.

Passed that Health Care Reform Bill (in the making since Truman) which was a BFD.

DJIA up about 3000 points.

Exposing the GOP as party with nothing to offer.

.

You can accomplish a lot when 70 million people vote for you.


Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 26, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Drudge link today, I'm guessing?

Posted by: GJonahJameson | April 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


the 2008 primaries are over and you lost.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Missing from his target audience are small and medium sized businesses!! WONDER WHY?

Just how long does he think he can squeeze those who really create jobs before they move elsewhere?? Think a growing number targeted in this ad are beginning to realize the same thing -- especially those who have been looking for work over six months.

Guess this is what we get for electing a novice, and someone with ZERO EXPERIENCE in the WORLD OF WORK!! Pretty sad!

Posted by: wheeljc | April 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I think many people actually miss the point here when referring to beating the Tea Party and to getting young people out to vote. Young people came out to vote for change and hope and a charismatic personality running for President.

There have never been real coattails when that charismatic person isn't even on the ballot. Who should they vote for? Democrats that voted against healthcare reform. Democrats that aren't supporting repeal of DADT or for ENDA. Democrats who aren't supporting union issues.

And the Tea Party is is not monolithic. It has many moderate Independents who don't believe Obama brought real Change and they have lost the hope. They will vote against Democrats to make their point of view heard.

What will happen is that Democrats will take a bath in Congress and then Obama will look at how Bill Clinton managed to turn the 1994 disaster into a victory in 1996 and follow that path. Small victories in the two years remaining in his term and working with a more Republican Congress that will want to prove they can get some things done.

Posted by: peterdc | April 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

cschotta1
you must have been a guest at Palin's vacated Alaskan mansion watching the Russian horizon for the last year or so. You missed the health care bill, the nuclear treaty, reemergence of international respect for the US, and now possibly the financial reform. Oh you also missed Sotomayor - all driven by our non-qualified POTUS.

Posted by: bgreston | April 26, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

ask the voters about jobs...
good paying jobs that will last...
not temp jobs that will go away...
the party with the right plan wins...
the party in power now must show us by passing legislation not promises...
just like they did healthcare...
if not the next party in power must do the same or soon be replaces...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 26, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Oboobma fooled a lot of people who won't be fooled again.

Posted by: thebump | April 26, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

hitpoints


Asking for one's papers - asking to see ID or someone's license - is hardly "torture" as you say.

The precise question is it an "illegal search" to ask for someone's ID ???

Well, the protesters DO NOT WANT THE LAW ENFORCED - how ELSE to you propose that the law get enforced - if you don't ask for papers???

It seems that you DO NOT WANT THE LAW ENFORCED -

Your remedy is try to change the law - not stop enforcement.

Funny how you want Obama to control the doctor's office - but asking for ID by the police is somehow out of bounds.

I believe that asking for ID is REASONABLE.

It is REASONABLE because of the conditions - context matters, and this country is getting overrun by illegal aliens.

Reasonable means it is CONSTITUTIONAL.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/re_measuring_epistemic_closure.html

This is a cool post. A study was done on liberals and conservatives as to how much exposure they get to the news and how it affects their knowledge. It's pretty striking. The more that liberals are exposed to news, the better they can answer questions. The opposite is true for conservatives. The more that they are exposed to news, the WORSE they do on the questions. Presumably this is because they tend to gravitate towards things like FOX news and Rush Limbaugh which constantly feed people falsehoods.

As for liberals, there really isn't an equivalent of FOX news, at least in scope. The major media players are all conservative. Olbermann and Maddow just don't have the reach.

And while I don't watch those two much, I don't ever remember either of them stating something that was false. Yes, they are definitely selective with the truth, but I don't know if I've ever heard them lie the way that say every single conservative pundit was claiming that Obama would start tossing people in jail for not buying health insurance.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Just want to wish The Washington Post good luck in 2010! I hope your Dems do well!

Posted by: DaveGeorge1 | April 26, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Newsflash: The 2008 POTUS Election is over GOP whiners, you lost.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I think any normal American voter now realizes that Obama was never qualified to be POTUS. His resume was a blank page, no accomplishments of his own, no leadership responsibilities, nothing to ride on but the color of his skin.

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 26, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Another 2008 - Keep dreaming!!!! In 2012 he will be a One-term President."


Really?

2000
Bush- Popular vote 50M Electoral vote 271
Gore- Popular vote 50M Electoral vote 266

2004
Bush- Popular vote 62M Electoral vote 286
Kerry- Popular vote 59M Electoral vote 251

2008
McCain- Popular vote 59M Electoral vote 173
Obama- Popular vote 69M Electoral vote 365

Looking forward to another beatdown; see you in 2012.

Posted by: chuckhampton | April 26, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

yes, that's what I mean. the wingers say they want smaller government, then they fall in love with a police state.

dissonance, dissonace.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

pmendez


It would be fitting if the VOTERS FORCED OBAMA TO BE BIPARTISAN.


Even TODAY, Obama is not stopping Harry Reid from having a PARTISAN VOTE ON THE WALL ST. REFORM.

Instead, Obama wants to be PARTISAN TODAY, yet he wants the REPUBLICANS TO WORK WITH HIM TOMORROW.

This kind of crap has to stop.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

pmendez, dream on.

also, learn English grammar.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Today's conservatives, like 37th here asking that police ask us all for our "papers", are happy to advocate a police state of torture and illegal search and seizure, just as long as they are the ones in power.

Smaller less invasive government my behind.

Posted by: hitpoints | April 26, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Question-Guy:

You forgot about the lies to the Unemployed & the Peaceniks & the Environmentalists and all the Progressives who wanted a single-payer healthcare system.

Posted by: pmendez | April 26, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that Obama omitted whites and males from his list of people the Dems should reach out to. Isn't he supposed to be President of all the people??? His message to the older white male is, "Shut up and pay your taxes so I can give your money away."

Posted by: Chippewa | April 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Aprogressiveindependent


You have an extremely good point there.

Obama was not well know around the country before 2004 - so he did not have a strong track-record or public persona during that time.


Obama is still relatively new.


THAT is why Obama going back on his campaign pledges is so important - OBAMA IS DEFINING HIMSELF -


And Obama doesn't have an old public persona to fall back on, because he is so new.


My general sense is that Obama may have had a chance to get a second hearing from the American people - however since Obama decided to push through the health care AGAINST the public's will, Obama will not get that second hearing.

The American People have made their decision about Obama - and they don't like what they see.

It is a bad thing to have a government so out of touch with the country - and Obama is really hanging out there like a LAME DUCK.

However, that is what Obama is - A LAME DUCK.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Voting for a black dude to be president was like so totally awesome!

Voting for boring old white guys I've never heard of is like so totally lame!

Democrats to receive an historic thrashing in November:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/04/14/how_bad_could_2010_really_get_for_democrats_105152.html

"...it is well within the realm of possibility - not merely a far-fetched scenario - that Democratic losses could climb into the 80 or 90-seat range. The Democrats are sailing into a perfect storm of factors influencing a midterm election, and if the situation declines for them in the ensuing months, I wouldn't be shocked to see Democratic losses eclipse 100 seats."

Posted by: pmendez | April 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

for 7 years michael jordan did not win a championship. then phil jackson gave him the ball. they won happily ever after til he retired. give him the damn ball...

Posted by: Mitchavery7 | April 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Republican politicians continue to up the ante for nuts:


"On Saturday, Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) and several other elected officials boosted Fox News host Glenn Beck at an event at the Oil Palace in Tyler, TX. The day was full of right-wing flame-throwing, including Perry saying that he was “proud” to be in an “army” of anti-Obama Americans.

Gov. Rick Perry, U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Tyler, and state Rep. Leo Berman also spoke, all delivering similar messages.

Berman told the crowd, “I believe that Barack Obama is God’s punishment on us today, but in 2012, we are going to make Obama a one-term president.”

Beck later stated that the U.S. Constitution was “divinely inspired” and our rights “come from God.” “If God is with us, who can possibly stand against us?” Beck asked. “The answer is no one.” On his radio show last week, Beck claimed that he was carrying out God’s “plan.”

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse


MSNBC just had the head of La RAZA on - these people have to understand that the LAW MUST BE ENFORCED.


Her attitude is LA RAZA is going to make it painful for Arizona to enforce the law - there are going to be COSTS INVOLVED.


Now here is La RAZA telling the State of Arizona how to ENFORCE THE LAW.


LA RAZA does not want the law enforced at ALL.


I don't think an interest group should be taking such a stand as RETALIATING AGAINST A STATE FOR ENFORCING THE LAW.


This is disgraceful - it really is - it out -of -bounds.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010


out of bounds? Like those that fought against Jim Crow laws are out of bounds?

The highest court in the land will decide this.

As for out of bounds, guess it depends on what side of the fence you are on.

I see nothing wrong with people fighting against a law they feel is unjust. That they get their fair day in court.

As a patriotic American, you should understand it also.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | April 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Let's see in a year and a half...

He lied to Small Businesses about helping them (unless the company makes less than 500K and the average employee makes less then 50K a year).

He lied to Gays about 'Don't ask, Don't tell'.

He lied to Blacks about fair contracting opportunities, jobs, education, police-harassment and well everything (but they love him and don't really care, they will continue to get what they deserve for this silliness - nothing).

However, Hispanics seemed to do OK

Another 2008 - Keep dreaming!!!! In 2012 he will be a One-term President.

Posted by: question-guy | April 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Tea Parties Fight Obama's Culture of Dependence

By: Michael Barone
Senior Political Analyst
April 18, 2010 (AP)


"Do you realize," CNN's Susan Roesgen asked a man at the April 15, 2009, tea party in Chicago, "that you're eligible for a $400 credit?"

When the man refused to drop his "drop socialism" sign, she went on, "Did you know that the state of Lincoln gets fifty billion out of the stimulus?"

Roesgen is no longer with CNN, and CNN has only about half as many viewers as it did last year. But her questions are revealing.

They help us understand that the issue on which our politics has become centered -- the Obama Democrats' vast expansion of the size and scope of government -- is really not just about economics. It is really a battle about culture, a battle between the culture of dependence and the culture of independence.

Probably unknowingly, Roesgen was reflecting the the midcentury sociologist Paul Lazarsfeld's dictum that politics is about who gets how much when. If some guy is getting $400, shouldn't he just shut up and collect the money?

Shouldn't he be happy that his state government, headed recently by Rod Blagojevich, was getting an extra $50 billion?

But public policy also helps determine the kind of society we are. The Obama Democrats see a society in which ordinary people cannot fend for themselves, where they need to have their incomes supplemented, their health care insurance regulated and guaranteed, their relationships with their employers governed by union leaders. Highly educated mandarins can make better decisions for them than they can make themselves.

That is the culture of dependence. The tea partiers see things differently. They're not looking for lower taxes; half of tea party supporters, a New York Times survey found, think their taxes are fair. Nor are they financially secure: Half say someone in their household may lose their job in the next year.

Two-thirds say the recession has caused some hardship in their lives. But they recognize, correctly, that the Obama Democrats are trying to permanently enlarge government and increase citizens' dependence on it.


Read more at the Washington Examiner:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Tea-parties-fight-Obama_s-culture-of-dependence-91080759.html#ixzz0lT2BInbt


Posted by: AJAX2 | April 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Let's see in a year and a half...

He lied to Small Businesses about helping them (unless the company makes less than 500K and the average employee makes less then 50K a year).

He lied to Gays about 'Don't ask, Don't tell'.

He lied to Blacks about fair contracting opportunities, jobs, education, police-harassment and well everything (but they love him and don't really care, they will continue to get what they deserve for this silliness - nothing).

However, Hispanics seemed to do OK

Another 2008 - Keep dreaming!!!! In 2012 he will be a One-term President.

Posted by: question-guy | April 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The President really rallied the troops in Massachusetts didn't he? Oh and I forgot about Virginia and New Jersey. The President has lost the independents pretty much. I guess it will be up to the Unions to drive people to the polls, and maybe have a few armed people outside of polling places like last time. The President has showed his hand. The people don't like it.

Posted by: bobbo2 | April 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

drindl your comment at 2:10

Asking for papers - is not "almost unlimited power"

How can you say such a thing???

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama's track record so far hasn't been to good when it comes to trying to help get someone elected. I'd say "No thanks" to him if I was a Dem running for office and I'd run against him and Washington.

Posted by: FLvet | April 26, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama has probably permanently lost the support of a majority of independents in this country. Many who voted for him realize they were fooled by his rhetoric as a candidate and are disappointed he has broken so many campaign promises, as well as being so subservient to special interest groups.

The repeated bailouts for irresponsible companies and individuals has alienated most moderates, as well as independents, among ordinary people. Many independents will simply not vote in the elections this year, being disillusioned with Obama and correctly perceiving Republicans are not a viable alternative.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | April 26, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"The Republicans are going to roll over the Dems this November the way that Dewey beat Truman."

Yep, despite all the MSM cheerleading for Rs, they are floundering and making some very dumb mistakes that will hurt them.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

These Democrats are truly delusional. The reason they are going to get slaughtered is Obama , and the Post tires to say he can be their savior. The Dems that do win will be those that make it clear they aren't one of Obama's brainless minions.

In the end it won't matter, the GOP tsunami is coming....and the Dems know it.

Posted by: Realist201 | April 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Gallenod to your comment at 1:49


I'm just saying, if you want a draft pick to have an equal chance of being picked -

otherwise everyone would go for the candidates who were in the lead at the time of the draft.

I think a point system is important - because it makes some picks more valuable than others - and performance matters.


A simple up or down system misses the nuances.


Hey, Im just throwing out some ideas

Remember, this year we may have a great deal of competitive races - however in a normal year we may have 25 House seats and 10 Senate seats -


So it may be better to have both candidates of all those 35 races be eligible to be picked in the draft - INSTEAD of just the ones who are in the lead.


This year you might have 50-70 House seats in the competitive category.

.


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

i have to share the amusement of those here in watching the same people who shreik for 'small government' now happily handing over almost unlimited power to -- government.

There has never been a group with greater cognitive dissonance than the modern 'conservative' movement.

Posted by: drindl | April 26, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are going to roll over the Dems this November the way that Dewey beat Truman.

They're still waiting for that "Bradley effect" to kick in.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | April 26, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

You folks that think Obama energizes anyone besides Republicans are nuts. Everywhere Obama traveled to prop up the Democrat in 2009 and again in the Massachusetts race that brought Scott Brown to the Senate now has either a Republican Senator or Governor now. There's no denying. Obama energizes.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 26, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"the LAW MUST BE ENFORCED."

Indeed. Starting with the constitution, followed by fed law, when applicable; which, in the case of immigration law, will always be a fed, not a state jurisdiction.

I still find it amusingly ironic that the same constituency that worries about excessive government intervention in their lives, including jackbooted government thugs, are suddenly on the side of granting law enforcement the power to stop anyone, anytime, demanding to see their papers, probable cause be damned.

.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

One thing Obama can do is rally the base. The second important thing he can do is drop the hammer on people opposed to financial regulation. Of course the candidates in the individual races must be doing this as well, but Obama has already gone after McConnell, by name, for meeting with the banks and then coming out against their regulation. Republicans are digging a hole and Obama needs to pitch in. This is going to get independents like you can't imagine.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 26, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

37th: Not a bad system for a fantasy politics league, but shouldn't the main score determinant be whether or not a candidate wins their election?

That said, adding in a candidate's performance against current polling data and a district's historical trends are a good way of gauging whether or not a losing candidate has a chance in the future for the same or other office (and identifying underperforming winners). With that in mind, we could include all the "safe" (or "gerrymandered" if you prefer) seats.

As fascinating as that might be, it would require a massive data effort to score properly. Just scoring by who wins and loses would be much simpler.

Posted by: Gallenod | April 26, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

MSNBC just had the head of La RAZA on - these people have to understand that the LAW MUST BE ENFORCED.


Her attitude is LA RAZA is going to make it painful for Arizona to enforce the law - there are going to be COSTS INVOLVED.


Now here is La RAZA telling the State of Arizona how to ENFORCE THE LAW.


LA RAZA does not want the law enforced at ALL.

I don't think an interest group should be taking such a stand as RETALIATING AGAINST A STATE FOR ENFORCING THE LAW.

This is disgraceful - it really is - it out -of -bounds.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

FANTASY LEAGUE


OK against my better judgement, Chris, you forced me to think about this.


Alright, first all the gerrymandered districts have to pulled out of the mix.

So the league would only involve COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS - you would need someone like CHARLIE COOK to be the Official of the League.

You need a POINT SYSTEM - however with all the districts at different starting points - you need some point system in which everyone starts out on a level playing field.


OK - this is what I propose - you have Charlie Cook or someone else come out with a LIST OF COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS WHICH WILL BE PLAYED - let's say by June 1st.

The points are based on the gain or loss of polling points over a SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME - LETS SAY FROM THE FOURTH OF JULY TO THE ELECTION.

For instance - the draft takes place at some point BEFORE THE FOURTH OF JULY.

Then, after the picks are made at the draft, the OFFICIAL OF THE LEAGUE is responsible for choosing a BASE POLL - OR AN AVERAGE OF BASE POLLING for EACH COMPETITIVE RACE WITHIN 2 -3 WEEKS after the 4th of July

So, each CANDIDATE will be assigned, by the OFFICIAL OF THE LEAGUE, a "base polling number or average"

Points are based on how well each candidate does - between the BASE POLL NUMBER AND THE CANDIDATES ACTUAL VOTE PERCENTAGE IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.

For instance Candidate 1 is up against Candidate A - the picks are made before the 4th of July.


The base polling average comes out right after the 4th of July (For Candidate 1 the base poll is 52 and the Candidate A is 48)


So on Election night, each candidate gets points based on the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BASE POLL NUMBER AND THE ACTUAL PERFORMANCE.


If candidate 1 starts at 52 and gets 54.3% of the vote - the candidate gets 2.3 POINTS -

if candidate 1 gets 47.5% that candidate gets NEGATIVE 4.5 POINTS.

I guess that would put all the picks on a level playing field - AND THE LEAGUE WOULD BE ALL ABOUT HOW WELL A CAMPAIGN GOES UP OR DOWN.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I think there are better things for the police to do than go around asking to see people's papers.

And we throw the term "papers" around like we all agree on what they are. What are they? What would be the correct papers? Should my 14 year-old not leave the house without his birth certificate? He's got brown hair and brown eyes. What about my 85 year old dad? I understand we have many young people in the military who were not born here. What should they produce?

"Walking while brown" is not probably cause for asking to see someone's identification.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The main determinant in November will be how voters perceive the economy. Period.

Note that I didn't say the economy, but voter's perceptions of it.

If the economy improves, Republicans will wage an all-out campaign to claim things aren't really as good as they might seem and that only they can prevent the next financial catastrophe hiding just out of sight, a strategy that assumes a significant percentage of voters have forgotten why they voted out Republicans in 2006 and 2008.

If the economy improves, Democrats will do everything they can to highlight the improvements and remind people why they voted out the Republicans in 2006 and 2008.

If the economy flattens out or starts dropping again, Republicans have a good chance of retaking control of the House and will significantly reduce the D's margin in the Sentate.

Democrats will try to make the case that they are the victims of prior Republican policy and haven't had enough time to fix things, but will discover that the honeymoon is over and that voters have short memories when they don't feel good about how things are going.

No other issue (health care bill, Middle East, energy, immigration) will play as large a role. Immigration might help D's in areas with a large Hispanic population, and financial reform will help D's only until R's start jumping on the bandwagon with them. Energy legislation, though arguably more important that anything but financial reform to the long-term health of the country, only helps if the D's can somehow make it an extension of financial reform in the voter's minds, which is why Reid is taking up immigration before energy.

The worst thing that can happen to the R's is that the economy keeps improving and Congress passes financial reform, immigration reform, and energy legislation (and confirms Obama's Supreme Court nominee) all before campaigning for the election begins in ernest. Tall order, as the R's will do everything they can to limit progress to financial reform and the court nominee, but Obama's playing offense with the public now. He's pulled off longshot victories before.

Posted by: Gallenod | April 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

See if the Republicans are willing to be BIPARTISAN on the Wall Street reform bill, Harry Reid and Obama should restrain themselves and NOT call for a vote today.


It is a CHEAP VOTE, A CHEAP HEADLINE.


Obama says he wants bipartisanship - but apparently when everyone ELSE is being bipartisan, Obama IS THE ONE WHO STILL WANTS TO BE PARTISAN.


This is like a little child.


The American People are not stupid - they are going to see through a cheap headline - this will actually backfire on Obama.

Obama is the ONE WHO IS ACTUALLY BLOCKING A BILL - BY INSISTING ON PARTISAN ACTS BEFORE THE REAL BILL COMES UP FOR A VOTE.

Obama can go back to Hyde Park - everyone is sick of this kind of behavior.

Go home Obama.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Chris, with all due respect, you seem to infer that mid-terms are practically condemned (a la Greek tragedy) to lower voter turnouts. How can that be reasonably so? How long have statistics on mid-terms been kept? And how accurate are those stats? [e.g., Rasmussen vs. dKos vs. WaPO/ABC, et al.) I still like to think fate has little or nothing to do with outcomes (although hubris certainly does). Maybe you could devote a column inch or so to this? Thanks--

Posted by: tjbv1 | April 26, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

How to motivate the Democratic base? Two words: Tea Party

Posted by: JakeD3 | April 26, 2010 12:06 PM

Spot on Jake3D

Posted by: ModerateVoter | April 26, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"WHAT IF THE POLICE ASKED EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS???"

I am sure they had that same thought in Germany in 1939. How about internment camps while we get started.

There is one thing that will likely end this bill. Az's economy is in terrible shape(I spent 2 weeks there recently and that is what every merchant told me) and as businesses and tourists start boycotting Az that will be it,
for the Show Me Your Papers State.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

How about simply:
Vote Against the Show Me Your Papers Party.

The TeaParty has elavated their self importance
to a ridiculously significant level.They exagerate their marches claiming millions attend when in fact thousands show up. They are not a political party, they have no official funds to run ads and are so disjointed as to not know precisely what their members stand for other than they hate Obama and call him a socialist. They inconsitently claim that Bush deficits were OK but Obama deficits driven by the economy are terrible. Obama is a socialist to them but they have no explanation for Alaska under Palin redistributing oil profits to its citizens and its' socialist implication.
They support libertarian candidates like Ran Paul who then oppose the Show Me Your Papers Legislation. They claim Scott Brown, but he runs away from them. They rail against Wallstreet and bailouts but support R threats to derail Wallstreet and Banking Reform. In short they are full of contradictions and are nothing more than unhappy apologists for the most extreme elements of the R party who will walk in lockstep to their marching orders, but nothing more. They have all the legal rights to peacefully protest and the media has the same right to simply start ignoring them until and unless they become a real political party, which at this time they clearly are not.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 26, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

TO: "bondosan" @ 12:32 p.m.:

I would expect many unknowing microwave assault victims read this blog -- including many journalists, especially those who do more than "take the handout" -- and many political leaders and staffers who harbor what a rogue bureaucracy may deem to be "dissident" views... maybe even all the way to the very apex of government.

http://nowpublic.com/world/obama-take-down-fusion-center-gestapo-fire-secret-service-boss OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 26, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"Racial profiling" is NOT in the Constitution.


It is that simple.


There are two provisions of the Constitution - One says that searches have to be "reasonable"


The other says that every person is entitled to "due process"

It is REASONABLE to be able to ask people for their papers - the idea of "racial profiling" has been twisted around.


WHAT IF THE POLICE ASKED EVERYONE FOR THEIR PAPERS???


That is where this should go - everyone should be asked for their papers - so no one can claim "racial profiling" - meaning some people are asked and some are not.

WHY IS THAT SUCH A BURDEN ON LEGAL CITIZENS ???


IT IS NOT.


IT IS A GREATER BURDEN ON THE CITIZENS TO ALLOW THE ILLEGAL ALIENS TO RUN WILD - THAN TO START ASKING PEOPLE FOR THEIR PAPERS.


These issues are balancing acts - where is the greater burden to society - allowing the illegals to stay OR asking people for their papers?

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

37th performs a circle-jerk of logic. Look ma! No hands!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 26, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I think 37 is a victim of these microwave assaults that Vic is so passionate about.

Posted by: Bondosan | April 26, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Jake, I think you are right that one of the biggest motivators for Democrats will be beating the Tea Party extremists.
You can look at the NY-29th special election as a bell-weather of what may happen when the Tea Party people have a huge say in the nominee selection.

Now we all know that the Democrats will lose some seats in the house that they shouldn't have won in the first place. And if polls can be beleived they will lose some senate seats as well. The question is can Obama keep it from being a bloodbath and retain democratic control of both houses of congress.

Posted by: AndyR3 | April 26, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

IF OBAMA DOESN'T STOP COVERT GOV'T MICROWAVE/RF ASSAULTS ON U.S. CITIZENS AND BRING THE GUILTY TO JUSTICE, THIS SILENT SLOW-KILL GENOCIDE COULD SINK HIS RE-ELECTION HOPES AND HURT ALL DEMS.

All of those cell towers you see all over America -- and other nations -- are NOT all for phone calls.

Some of them are TORTURE TOWERS -- part of a nationwide microwave/laser radio frequency "directed energy weapon" system that is being used by operatives of the multi-agency Homeland Security-run "fusion center" network to silently torture, impaiir, and physically and neurologically degrade the functioning and well-being of extrajudicially, unjustly '"targeted" citizens.

And apparently, the genocidal use of this precision-targeted domestic weapon system to attack and harm U.S. citizens is being done WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE AND CONSENT OF CONGRESS or high state officials.

Veteran mainstream media journalist Vic Livingston reports:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR NowPublic.com/scrivener re: "Obama: Take Down Fusion Center Gestapo..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 26, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

See Obama just doesn't understand what it means to govern - he is too inexperienced and he is too young - he is not mature.


Harry Reid can't help himself - Obama and Harry Reid want to call a vote on Wall St reform and get a headline against the Republicans.


AND YET both Obama and Harry Reid want to turn around and come to a bipartisan agreement with the Republicans so they have something to pass next week.


NOW it's one way or the other - you can't have it both ways.

This apparently was the same issue with Lindsay Grapham this weekend.

If you stand for bipartisan action, you can't reap the benefits of PARTISAN DIVISION MAKING.

It is one or the other.

This is why Obama is going to be driven OUT OF WASHINGTON - AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE HIM GO.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama mentioned the hispanics in his release - however Obama's relations with the hispanics in Chicago are HORRIBLE.

If Obama thinks that he can just ignore that, it isn't going to work.

Again, Obama is sitting there - saying things that are completely UNREALISTIC and everyone is just looking at him, wondering.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

How to motivate the Democratic base? Two words: Tea Party

Posted by: JakeD3 | April 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Exactly.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 26, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company