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National Democrats made no secret of their glee at the willingness of Sen. John Cornyn and Rep. Pete Sessions -- the heads of the two Republican campaign committees -- to defend the economic policies of George W. Bush during an appearances on "Meet the Press" on Sunday.

"The men in charge of Republican campaigns made it crystal clear what Republican candidates plan to do if elected -- take us backward," trumpeted Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine in a release this morning.

Before the celebration gets under way in earnest, however, new data from a national poll commissioned by Third Way, a centrist Democratic group, shows that the public doesn't regard Republicans in Congress as synonymous with the former president. (The Benenson Strategy Group, a Democratic polling firm favored by the White House, conducted the survey.)

Just one in four people said that if Republicans took back control of the House it would mark a "return to George W. Bush's economic policies," while 65 percent said that Republicans would pursue a "new economic agenda that is different from George W. Bush's policies."

That data point suggests that Congressional Republicans have -- whether intentionally or accidentally -- decoupled themselves from the unpopular former president over the past 18 months or so.

The work of the next four months (or so) for Democrats is to remind people of that link -- that the vast majority of Republicans in Congress were in office when Bush was president and played a not-insignificant role in passing his agenda.

The data in the Third Way poll suggest that if Democrats can (re)hang Bush around the neck of Republicans, it could greatly improve their chances of minimizing losses this fall.

Almost half (49 percent) of respondents said they would prefer a candidate who would "stick with" President Obama's economic policies, while 34 percent said they would opt for a candidate who aligned with Bush's economic policies.

But, if Bush -- literally his name -- is taken out of the equation, the voting dynamic changes, as it becomes clear that there is not a large reservoir of support for Obama's approach to the economy.

A majority -- 51 percent -- say they would prefer a candidate who believed Obama's economic plan is not working and "we need new economic policies that will shrink government, cut taxes on investment and support business growth," while 42 percent said they would rather support a candidate who believed Obama had a plan for the economy and that we need to give it time to work.

In some ways, the findings are ho-hum. After all, it's no secret that Republicans want to make the election a referendum on Obama, while Democrats want to make the midterms a choice between what Obama has done and what the GOP will do/has done.

But the disconnect in most Americans' minds between the economic approach of Bush, which they detest, and that of Congressional Republicans, which they remain undecided about, is critically important to understanding the task before Democrats over the next 106 days.

The American public has a very short memory (See Spitzer, Elliot or Albert, Marv) and it's clear that they don't view this Republican party as George W. Bush's Republican party.

That's not to say Democrats can't -- or won't try -- to remind them. But it's a helpful reminder that Bush's numbers should not be regarded as a stand-in for Republicans more generally. And that, of course, is a very good thing for anyone running with an "R" after their name this fall.

By Chris Cillizza  |  July 19, 2010; 5:10 PM ET
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F the repubs and the teabaggers. They are going to take our country to hell and never back. We on the progessive side need to get mad, get off our touchies and make sure we get "the band back together." By that, I mean the Obama supporters. If the bags and the pubs get voted in, the merchants of hate will be in power....that will not stand.

Posted by: tuttlegroup | July 21, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

grcac wrote:
I find it interesting the Democrats foget that they held congress during Bushes last 2 years.

It was their policies which derailed the economy. Bush just happened to be the president when they set the disasterous course they decided upon.

And they have continued that disasterous course for 18 more months leading to Trillion dollar deficits.

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Please try and do some research, maybe learn some things (including correct spelling) before running your mouth. The subprime mortgage crisis and subsequent global financial collapse didn't appear overnight. This massive effort took years to build up as unregulated financial institutions found more lucrative (and thus much more risky) ways to invest other people's money for their own gain.

This is the problem with America. People don't do any research; they just listen to their chosen demagogue and parrot every word. At least 50% of the crap people say is easily refuted within seconds via a simple Google search (i.e. searching for a supposed "missing person" and the first result is on snopes.com). The other half is still crap, but it takes a couple minutes to read a few articles. But no one wants to take the time (seconds or minutes). I look everything up - not just the statements and ideas I disagree with, but those I agree with as well.

Posted by: dkived | July 20, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Yeh, I noticed that yesterday in the Bush thread that was linked in some left-wing site. Well over 300 posts, all reasoned and practical. Not!

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Dishonesty and fatuous incomprehension are your stock in trade.

You know full well that those were one-off driveby posters we will never see again, and that this whole discussion has been about regular posters.

This is an example of your "demolishing."

I would block you, youre tíreome.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 20, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting the Democrats foget that they held congress during Bushes last 2 years.

It was their policies which derailed the economy. Bush just happened to be the president when they set the disasterous course they decided upon.

And they have continued that disasterous course for 18 more months leading to Trillion dollar deficits.

Posted by: grcac | July 20, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are like abused lovers. Sure Reagan left a deficit of atrillion dollars. Bush took us to the brink of another Great Depression, with the gleeful support of the same guys who are saying, "We love Bush, but we've learned our lesson, we won't hit you again Baby."
And the populace dries its tears and takes them back. When do we begin to blame the victim who keeps getting hoodwinked?

Posted by: wd1214 | July 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are like abused lovers. Sure Reagan left a deficit of atrillion dollars. Bush took us to the brink of another Great Depression, with the gleeful support of the same guys who are saying, "We love Bush, but we've learned our lesson, we won't hit you again Baby."
And the populace dries its tears and takes them back. When do we begin to blame the victim who keeps getting hoodwinked?

Posted by: wd1214 | July 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I find it interesting the Democrats foget that they held congress during Bushes last 2 years.

It was their policies which derailed the economy. Bush just happened to be the president when they set the disasterous course they decided upon.

And they have continued that disasterous course for 18 more months leading to Trillion dollar deficits.

Posted by: grcac | July 20, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Fix, meet Gene. Gene, this is Fix. Gene, show fix how you win a Pulitzer.
The legendary Eugene Robinson's final word on the tea baggers:
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"On Saturday, the National Tea Party Federation announced it had expelled one of the movement's most prominent figures -- a California blowhard named Mark Williams -- because of the outrageously racist things he had said about the NAACP. Ejected along with Williams was his whole organization, Tea Party Express, which had been a particularly active, high-profile group.

The last straw was a "satirical" letter that Williams, a former right-wing talk radio host, posted on his Web site. It was supposed to be a missive from NAACP President Ben Jealous to Abraham Lincoln, and the Tea Party Federation deemed it "clearly offensive." With good reason.

Here is one passage: "We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!""

Case closed. Thank you, Mr. Robinson.

Next time anyone tells you the baggers are just good ol' "quasi-libertarians," give them a copy of Mr. Robinson's piece and walk away.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 20, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

One interesting dynamic has come up - the fisherman who have signed up to work on the clean-up are now being told that their wages are being counted against their BP payments.

OK - there are a few levels here - and all should be considered.

On one level the fishermen might be made whole -


However, isn't BP benefiting ?? BP already has the liability for the losses of the fishermen - so now BP is getting the work of the fishermen for free.

Isn't that unjust enrichment ? Is BP entitled to the work of the fishermen in order to clean-up their spill ???


Can this principle be applied to other companies which destroy the environment - if a company throws you out of work, they are entitled to have you clean up their mess - and they just have to pay for your lost wages?

Something is not right here.


Of course, everyone has a responsibility to mitigate.

However, BP should not be able to take advantage of this situation - and be able to get labor of the clean-up for free.

Especially when BP seems content to run millions of dollars in commercials - while cutting people short on their compensation payments.


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 20, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

ddawd


This is precisely an example of what is wrong with you.


YOU brought up the issue of "moral failings"

So, then the discussion becomes centered on what specific things you have said which are, in fact, "moral failings."


Then you come back and say that you can "sleep at night and look at yourself in the mirror."

However, "moral failings" involve more than just you - they involve the people around you.


For example, a bank robber has a "moral failing," he can sleep at night and look at himself in the mirror - as can most criminals.

The problem comes in with "moral failings" in that people around then have to live with their crimes - the victims of the crimes specifically.

"Moral failings" are focused more on people around you - as compared to yourself.

So - in summary - you bring up the subject of "moral failings" which BY DEFINITION involves people around you.


And your response is: that you don't care about the people around you.


Well - that is the whole point behind "moral failings."


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 20, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"The confusion comes from the fact that the dreck -- zouk, 37th, armpeg, leapin -- is all but exclusively right-wing in the politics."

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LOL. Yeh, I noticed that yesterday in the Bush thread that was linked in some left-wing site. Well over 300 posts, all reasoned and practical. Not!

Posted by: Brigade | July 20, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

leichtman1 wrote,
"one thing we learned from VN brigade is
that there will never be a draft again, in our lifetime. Gen Y wouldn't tolerate it."

Then we probably shouldn't start so many wars. It's easy to support wars in which we have nothing personal invested.

"We are not in Afghanistan to prop up Karzai who is corrupt, but to tamp down terrorists in their homeland. They are a tribal country who will never have a stable govt, but it is in our vital interest to at least create and train a local military and police force before leaving, to make sure that al queada never again set up training camps for terrorists there."

This is our prime area of disagreement. Karzai has become our partner. I don't see how you can say we aren't propping him up. Al Qaeda is no longer in Afghanistan. We are fighting terrorists with the drones we send into Pakistan. We are fighting a counter insurgency in Afghanistan. Trying to create and train a local military and police force before we leave is a fool's errand. Since there is no stable government, this can be no more than a patchwork effort. Sooner or later we're going to leave, and the Taliban will regain control of some of the tribal regions. A nuclear Iran is much more of a threat to US and world peace, but we're too invested elsewhere to even contemplate action against Iran---the country that really IS building WMD.

"The loss of life is horrendous as is our pumping valuable resources into their economy which are desperately needed here"

Exactly. Declare victory and leave.

"but it is a sacrifice that our country must make for our own security."

I just don't see it that way.

"Can't imagine if McCain were POTUS and I was making your argument to immediately leave Afghanastan tonight, which I wouldn't, what the right would be saying here."

It's good for you and me that we aren't so invested in left v. right that we feel called to toe party lines and take take unprincipled positions just to support the team.

"Its interesting that conservatives have now become Rand Paul/Pat Buchanan isolationists. How truly bizarre."

Again, I disagree. I think the most conservative approach is to avoid foreign military adventures unless they are absolutely necessary to our national defense. I think that has always been Pat Buchanan's position, although he was probably a loyal Nixon man during the Vietnam war. I would guess that is also Paul's position. Buchanan was not in favor of the Iraq war; that was the neo-cons. His belief in a hands-off approach in the Middle East is more in line with Noacoler.

Posted by: Brigade | July 20, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

These are the Washington Post rules:

is libelous or defamatory

is obscene, pornographic, or sexually explicit


contains or advocates illegal or violent acts

degrades others on the basis of gender, race, class, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, disability, or other classification

is predatory, hateful, or intended to intimidate or harass


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The talk on this board using sexual slurs does not fall under this policy?


The talk about the Tea Party is not defamatory?


The talk on this board does not seek to degrade BASED on the race and class which has been used to sterotype the Tea Party ?

The talk on this board from the leftist has not been predatory, hateful, or intended to intimidate or harass ???


ALL the leftists do is hate, intimidate - AND harass.

The talk of a boycott is NOT intended to intimidate and harass the paper to do what the leftists want ????


Let's be serious folks - the behavior of the posters on this board has been shameful.

To single out one person - who is responding to this atmosphere here - is just wrong.


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 20, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

The protesters are laboring under a misapprehension that everyone else gets.

There aren't two sides here, there are three:

(1) the right-wingers
(2) The Left™
(3) the dreck

The confusion comes from the fact that the dreck -- zouk, 37th, armpeg, leapin -- is all but exclusively right-wing in the politics. It'd be easier to grasp if we had more than the occasional drive-by yelling BUSH SUUUUUCKS but we don't. There're one or two whose monikers I can't even recall, they make so little impression, posting "rethuglicans" and childish stuff like that, but the spammers, the bigots, the childish neologists, are all of the right.

But this is in-cid-den-tal.

I want Block Poster to get rid of (3). That would leave some righties, but not the crazies. And if that leaves it unbalanced, then why don't some of you righties learn to ef-fing write without flying off the handle about teleprompters and cruising playgrounds. That's not our (2) fault.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 20, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

More racism from the Obama people - seems like this is what is REALLY GOING ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH THE OBAMA PEOPLE.


Only difference is this woman was stupid enough to allow her true thoughts and actions to be described on camera:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_xCeItxbQY


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 20, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Look at this blog tonight


How many posters have complained about other posters???

As if the implication is that if ONLY a few people would leave, the discussion would be INSTANTLY ELEVATED TO SUPER GENIUS LEVELS.

Many of those complaining are not talking about the topics at hand at all.


The leftists have absolutely NOTHING to say to support Obama - or anything good to say about Obama.

So we hear the same lies about Bush - or the same deceptions which have little basis in fact.


The leftists have run out of rational and reasonable things to say - so they complain about the Great 37 in the Sky.


The Great 37 in the Sky is WATCHING YOU -

You cannot escape the Great 37 in the Sky.


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 20, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Leictman

The Republicans have been moving toward isolationism for a long time.


In 2000, Bush campaigned on a platform of "no more nation building" -


In 2000, Bush was headed out - out toward a more isolationist policy.

The neocons were not really in the mainstream of the Republican party - they wanted to go into Iraq - mainly because of the Middle Eastern strategy that they wanted.

One has to ask: outside of the Middle East has the US in fact been more isolationist in the past 10 years ?

The answer is probably yes -

Even Europe has not been immune to the pull-back.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

one thing we learned from VN brigade is
that there will never be a draft again, in our lifetime. Gen Y wouldn't tolerate it. We are not in Afghanistan to prop up Karzai who is corrupt, but to tamp down terrorists in their homeland. They are a tribal country who will never have a stable govt, but it is in our vital interest to at least create and train a local military and police force before leaving, to make sure that al queada never again set up training camps for terrorists there. The loss of life is horrendous as is our pumping valuable resources into their economy which are desperately needed here, but it is a sacrifice that our country must make for our own security. Can't imagine if McCain were POTUS and I was making your argument to immediately leave Afghanastan tonight, which I wouldn't, what the right would be saying here. Its interesting that conservatives have now become Rand Paul/Pat Buchanan isolationists. How truly bizarre.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

more dead zone. blog beyond repair. boooring.

Posted by: drindl | July 19, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

FWIW, I think the Post's solution to 37th and zook is going to be idiotic and half-assed. This is all just fantasy for now.

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I suspect you're right. If the will was there both would have been gone months ago. I and others think CC is as lazy in this as in analysis, has us divided into good guys and bad guys, and never goes further. And he's as partisan in that as in the blog entries. If he likes your politics, your feces is fragrant.

I do hope it's Block Poster. And I probably would block Brigade because he does name calling and chest pounding too much, not to mention his arguments are canned and stale. He seems peculiarly concerned about losing his audience. Invested much?

Everyone would block 37th and zouk, everyone, and that's the point.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 19, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

37th, watch me sleep like a baby and still be able to look in a mirror.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 19, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

More racism from the Obama people - seems like this is what is REALLY GOING ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH THE OBAMA PEOPLE.

Only difference is this woman was stupid enough to allow her true thoughts and actions to be described on camera:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_xCeItxbQY


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the democrats have a particular problem: NO ONE wants to listen to Obama anymore.


Obama lost his chance a long long time ago.

AND even if Obama does find a small subset of Independents who will listen - those people are not going to listen for long.

Obama has ONE chance to make his case to those people.

All these partisan speeches - way before October - are not going to help at all.

Blaming Bush - that is not going to help.

Trying to say that Bush's policies are going to come back - that is not going to help.

You see Obama's dilemma ?

Saying that Obama cleaned up Wall St - with the financial regulation bill - is ridiculous because Obama has done NOTHING about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Meanwhile - the NAACP controversy this week does not help Obama.

Obama made a serious mistake if he was behind the NAACP resolution - and clearly Obama has not tried to stop it.

A total disaster - Obama is incompetent.

Expect MORE NASTINESS FROM THE DEMOCRATS as they realize how deep a hole Obama has their party in.

AND if you are a democrat - please remember that YOU wanted to jam the health care bill down everyone's throats - a bill no one wanted.


AND please remember - did you want to work with the Republicans and come up with a GENUINE BIPARTISAN HEALTH CARE BILL?


You can remember all that when you realize how deep the hole your party is in.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Let's get back to topic


Have all the leftists complained enough tonight?


Have you all complained - and harassed - and made clear who you want to comment, and who you don't want to comment ???

Have the leftists complained enough tonight???

Have you harassed enough people tonight ???

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

ddawd

If you do not want to read what the other side is saying, you do have a moral failing.


And if you wish to silence the other side, you have a moral failing.

And please dont give us any more FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.

You have been told about that - over and over again

And still you persist - you must be completely stupid - or just a complete idiot.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Here is how it breaks down. The most popular national politician in America is President Obama. Next are the Democrats in Congress and lastly are the Republicans in Congress.

So, why is this? All ranting and raving aside, I would suggest that most Americans can see that Obama's deeds match the his words the closest. To nit pick about whether unemployment came down to 8% or not is not the issue. Enough Americans can see clearly that the Republican House and Senate have worked in lock step to obstruct the Presidents stated policies, and the Replubican lockstep is only a little bit about ideology, mostly its about partisan warfare. Their repufuctation, I mean refutation of negotiating in good faith is classic slimy politics. Sure, the Dems can do it too, but for the most part, they don't, and the public trust shows this.

Still, most people are so disgusted, they don't find any politician worthy servants, but think that is both foolish and inaccurate. Clearly, the business interests have gained undo influence. A healthy business community requires a healthy society and a healthy society requires a healthy business community. The work great together, but the placing of profit motive ahead of all other interests is not conducive to a healthy society. Onerous regulation can be an undo burden on business as well, and a balance needs be struck between the two poles.

I love that Boehner wants to run on nostalgia for Bush, and I think its wonderful to have a tea party caucus - thank you Bachman. I just wish more Republicans would try to apologize to BP, and Wall Street too, while they're in an apologizing mood.

If only the Republicans would realize that its not their country, it's our country and we are going to share it with or without their blessing, - well, things would work out better and their popularity would improve along with it.

Posted by: right_as_rain | July 19, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how much this block poster concept seems to bother the right wing. Zook and 37th are trying to convince us we have some moral failings because we don't want to page up through pages of racist spam. That all we want is some echo chamber. Brigade is appealing to our Machiavellian sensibilities, I guess? That it is a strategic error or something. No one is even talking about blocking brigade anyways. I don't plan on it. It's the spam and racism that bothers me, not the rote recitation of talking points.

FWIW, I think the Post's solution to 37th and zook is going to be idiotic and half-assed. This is all just fantasy for now.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 19, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Not taking the bait, brigade, fact of the matter is that most everyone would be blocking the same people. Who but 37th would read 37th? Ditto zouk?

You might have some readers, sure, but about the seventh time you altered a post or jerked yourself off as below with how formidable you are, you'd have fewer.

I hope it's Block Poster, it's the best solution.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 19, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

"But can't you see? That wouldn't stop me from demolishing your feeble arguments in front of the whole world (well, the whole blog at least), and you couldn't respond because you wouldn't know what I said. The casual observer would just think you were getting routed time and again. Well, I guess that's not much different than what happens all the time anyway.

Posted by: Brigade"

I don't think anyone cares about you "demolishing" our arguments. It's all seventh hand by the time you post it here anyways.

People here just want to talk about whatever they want to talk about. We aren't politicians out to get votes. If your goal in life is to convince people that Obama is a horrible President, and Bush is good, and that deficits in the 2010s are bad, but deficits in the 2000s are good and that spending must be paid for, but tax cuts don't, then go ahead. Convince away.

I'd advise you to rethink your strategy, though. Go write a book or something. All the conservative groups will buy them up to shoot you to the top of the bestseller lists. Yeah, you'll convince about the same number of people, but at least you'll make some money and get on TV. Who knows? Chris C might even hit you up for an anonymous quote or two!

Posted by: DDAWD | July 19, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

And you, frankly, are on the knife-edge for me. One more altered quote and I would block you too.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 19, 2010 9:19 PM
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But can't you see? That wouldn't stop me from demolishing your feeble arguments in front of the whole world (well, the whole blog at least), and you couldn't respond because you wouldn't know what I said. The casual observer would just think you were getting routed time and again. Well, I guess that's not much different than what happens all the time anyway.

Posted by: Brigade | July 19, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Chris, it's all the Democrats have. What else are they going to run on? THEIR economic policies? ObamaCare? I wish they would. I wish every single Democrat, especially the Blue (Lap) Dogs, that voted for the stimulus and ObamaCare would have the spine to invite the President into their districts to campaign on their behalf so that Obambi can tell the voters how important these congressmen were to passing the stimulus and ObamaCare. But they won't. They're a bunch of cowards running from their votes.

America, please do the right thing and kick these bums out. End the corruption, restore the balance...GOP '10.

Posted by: conservativemaverick | July 19, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1 wrote,
"believe me brigade I have read more about
VN than you will know. so I guess that makes me the neocon b/c I am 100% behind Obama's strategy in Afghanistan.there was never ever any threat to the US from N VN which was a civil war from start to finish. you are wrong if you don t think the terrorists will move their camps right back into Afghanistan if we follow your advise, and high tail it, again no thank you."

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What's with this "high tail it" stuff? If they move their camps back into Afghanistan again then we can destroy them again. With us there, they just set up shop elsewhere. Al Qaeda is not specific to any particular country. There's NEVER been a centralized government in Afghanistan. We're propping up Karzai who's every bit as corrupt as the Diem government. His brother's a dope dealer! Why in the world would we want to sit down there and fight Karzai's counter insurgency battles for him? And when the American people have had a belly full and Obama starts withdrawing are you going to accuse him of high-tailing it? Good grief. We've got 1% of the population making all the sacrifices; soldiers on their third and fourth tours of duty. Why isn't Rangel out there now talking about reinstating the draft? Give everyone a stake in this thing. How much support would Obama maintain if the sons and daughters of liberals were draftees coming home in bodybags?

Posted by: Brigade | July 19, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but it isn't going to work! People are sick and tired of hearing "It's Bush's fault."

Obama has been in office long enough and his blind followers have passed legislation that the majority of Americans vehemently did NOT want that nothing is going to save the dems in November!

Posted by: elby | July 19, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Brigged, you have a fixation with this echo chamber notion that is taking on dimensions of obsession. That isn't what anyone wants, and it'd be boring as hell for most of us.

A lot of what fills this blog -- zouk, 37th, armpeg -- is just junk. Yeah it may be right wing but that's incidental, it's not worth anyone's time, left or right, and it just ruins the experience.

Yeah, just scroll past it. Right. You can see how well that's working: it isn't. Zouk is corrosively sick, 37th is incredibly tiresome and stupid, armpeg and leapin are infantile

If it'd make you feel any better I would also block people who write "rethuglican," too. It's not about echo chamber, it's about low quality trash.

And you, frankly, are on the knife-edge for me. One more altered quote and I would block you too.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 19, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Bush never said there were weapons of mass destruction -
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Why am I talking to you?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 19, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

believe me brigade I have read more about
VN than you will know. so I guess that makes me the neocon b/c I am 100% behind Obama's strategy in Afghanistan.there was never ever any threat to the US from N VN which was a civil war from start to finish. you are wrong if you don t think the terrorists will move their camps right back into Afghanistan if we follow your advise, and high tail it, again no thank you.our presence there is a lot more impt than lets say keeping troops in Germany or France which I would favor scaling back.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

12Bar

Bush never said there were weapons of mass destruction - which includes chemical weapons.


However, Clinton - Bill and Hillary - are on video saying that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

This "Bush lied" thing is a complete myth - one that the democrats are so DESPERATE to keep going - that they will fight to the death over it.


Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps you would be better off hoping for rapture.
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You go first, and let us know how it goes.

Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!11

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 19, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd

Perhaps it was simple fraud - more than regulation.


Well - if the Wall Street firms did something wrong, WHY isn't Obama going after them ?


A fine to Goldman Sachs is nothing.

And WHY isn't Obama doing anything about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ???

This election is about Obama - and his policies.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

If "W" or anyone else had KNOWN that the worldwide financial collapse was coming, I'm sure they would have acted before they did. Just as: if the Dems who voted for the Iraq war had KNOWN there were no WMD, they wouldn't have voted for it.
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At least the Democrats had an excuse--they were lied to. That's an excuse W and Uncle Dick don't have, since they were the ones lying (oh, excuse me, honest mistaking).

And if they weren't so distracted looking in every bunker in Iraq for the lies (oh, excuse me, the WMD), they might have had a wee bit more time to pay attention to the financial system.

One doesn't have to wait for a train crash to make sure the train tracks are in good repair and there is a system to ensure that. The financial system was left on its own to create its own train crash.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 19, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


Perhaps you would be better off hoping for rapture.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

no its Chris Cox.

and precisely who makes critical appointments to insignificant commissions
like the SEC? Think the guy at the top of this thread had a little more to do with it. And Cox's appointment was actually opposed in Committee by Ds, but the deregulating party thought otherwise. So
Congress is now to blame for the appointment that Bloomberg warned the Administration not to make, interesting logic. Did you even bother to read the warning from June 2005 that I posted from Bloomberg?

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

its kind of humorous that brigade and other conservatives here support the war in Iraq but oppose the war of necessity in Afghanistan. and who is the conservative here? you want to tuck tail and leave Afghanistan for the Taliban and al quaeda? No thanks conservatives.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 8:49 PM
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Wow! You've really got the Neo-con talking points down cold. I've said before, I would NOT have supported the Iraq war had I know there were no WMD.

The war of necessity in Afghanistan was almost 9 years ago. Osama is GONE. Al Qaeda is GONE. The Taliban can't leave; they live there. It's their home. How long do you wanna stay?

Tuck tail and run? Counter terrorism good. Counter insurgency bad. Go read the history of the Vietnam war.

Posted by: Brigade | July 19, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

What the Democrats need to do is get the American People to forget that Obama is hanging around their necks.

Posted by: sam51 | July 19, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Brigade - Thank you. That's exactly it. Stating what you think rather than snarking. This shouldn't be a snark free zone, but I hope to engage. I don't care for this to be an echo chamber 12Bar and I were piling on 37th for making a statement silly on its face. I'm glad that it provoked a serious response. Hoping you hang around.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 19, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1 wrote,
"the totally inept/look the otherway ChrisFox8."

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If you wish to believe that this was all Bush's fault and that Democratic hands are clean, then that is your perogative. But since Dems have had the Congress for four years and the Presidency for going on two years, I'm wondering when we can get around to solving the problem instead of looking for someone else to blame.

Posted by: Brigade | July 19, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

its kind of humorous that brigade and other conservatives here support the war in Iraq but oppose the war of necessity in Afghanistan. and who is the conservative here? you want to tuck tail and leave Afghanistan for the Taliban and al quaeda? No thanks conservatives.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

Do you think that posters here have any influence on what type of moderating that has been promised, and hopefully, will occur?
We don't, and further, we don't know what it will be either.

Some of us can made educated guesses, but that's all they are, guesses.

My fear is that NOTHING will happen. This new Comments section is like the Rapture, it's always threatened but never quite here.

If you and zouk want to claim some kind of "win", because you are raptured up and the rest of us are left behind, well, go with God, my friend.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 19, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"But the fact remains, that the main cause of the meltdown was writing bad mortgages and bundling them in exotic financial instruments, which were AAA rated, and selling them to unsuspecting dupes---and this over a period of years."

So it was a lapse in regulation. Hmm...I wonder who was responsible to dismantling the major US regulatory agencies. I forget his name. I think it's written somewhere on this webpage. Probably at the top.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 19, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

the Bush policy of Deregulate, Deregulate, Deregulate and then putting Cox in charge of not overseeing the SEC even when independent investigators brought evidence of Mattoff directly to Chris Cox, the same as with the mischief at Enron, and Cox said he was too busy, and did zip to crack down on them. Phil and Wendy Gramm in charge of deregulating the banking industry, talk about the fox guarding the hen house.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

Look at these smiling facing brigade and tell me one more time how they are all
Ds. Let us hear more about how Bush, Gramm and Dick Armey wanted stricter regulation of these industries. Even Bloomberg in this June 27, 2005 article forwarned what would happen, (3 years before hell broke out with Lehman) was astonished that Bush would replace Donaldson with the totally inept/look the otherway Chris Cox. And so you will tell us now that Bloomberg News is part of that vast left wing conspiracy?
This quote seems to sum up where the problems started:

""That's why President George W. Bush's choice of Representative Christopher Cox (R-Calif.) to replace Donaldson is such a shocker. A conservative critic of aggressive market regulation, Cox seems likely to undo Donaldson's reforms even as still-fragile financial markets struggle with the debt overhang, rising interest rates, a possible housing bubble, and the growing U.S. dependence on foreign capital. The gutting of the SEC certainly would make Wall Street insiders happy """"(which it obviously did) but how can the ""White House be so reckless"" about something so critical?""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is what the economy is TODAY and what Obama is doing about it.

The truth is Obama has told the nation that the economic ills are "small" - and he would rather spend his time on "big things"

Obama then went on to divert the stimulus money to democratic interest groups - so few jobs were created.


AND then Obama tried to twist Boehner's words around - falsely claiming Boehner called the economy an ant.


The bottom line is Obama doesn't know what he is doing with the economy, or much else.

All Obama WANTS TO DO IS BLAME BUSH AND DO NOTHING.


IT IS THE "BLAME EVERYONE" STORY - BLAME AND DO NOTHING.


Starting to sound like Obama - "blame Bush and do nothing about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac"

Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, you have an issue with me blocking from my view and no one else's, people who spam the board with racist invective?

Look, if you get off on that kind of stuff, no one will ask you to block it. That's why the block-poster method is ideal. You can read all the 37th and zook you want. I don't have to. It's win-win except for 37th and zook who are really only posting to try and irritate everyone else.

But I don't have much sympathy for people who spend 20 hours a day on here posting racist invective. But you can feel free to show your solidarity with them.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 19, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Gotta give W credit for looking for what wasn't there, instead of doing ANYTHING to stop/prevent/minimize the impending worldwide financial collapse. Give him an A for effort.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 19, 2010 8:11 PM
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Some of you seem impervious to facts, but let me try anyway.

If "W" or anyone else had KNOWN that the worldwide financial collapse was coming, I'm sure they would have acted before they did. Just as: if the Dems who voted for the Iraq war had KNOWN there were no WMD, they wouldn't have voted for it.

If Bill Clinton or George W. Bush, either one, had KNOWN that 9/11 was coming, they would have acted to prevent it. If Bill Clinton and Phil Gramm had KNOWN that a worldwide economic collapse would follow on the heels of repealing Glass-Steagall, they probably would have changed Gramm-Leach-Bliley or just not have had a bill at all.

But the fact remains, that the main cause of the meltdown was writing bad mortgages and bundling them in exotic financial instruments, which were AAA rated, and selling them to unsuspecting dupes---and this over a period of years. Granted the wars and the Bush spending sprees didn't help matters any.

But the time has passed for blame. The time has come to solve the problems. And I'm getting this queasy feeling that the people now in charge just aren't up to the job at hand.

And if the domestic situation isn't bad enough, Obama has tripled down in Afghanistan doing what we have no business even TRYING to do. When did he become a Neo-con? And he's making every effort to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq with this hands-off policy that allows other countries to influence the shaping of the Iraqi government and the doling out of business contracts while we take it in the rear and keep paying the cost.

Posted by: Brigade | July 19, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The theories about this new moderation coming to the Fix are interesting. Drindl's and Noacoler's favored method involves blocking other bloggers so you can't read their posts. Fascinating. So Drindl spams the board with her usual cut-and-paste from other sites; Noacoler continues to berate conservatives as cretins; Moonbat responds, rebuts, and belittles Noacoler and Drindl. But Noacoler and Drindl have no idea what Moonbat is saying about them because they have blocked him. Mind you EVERYONE ELSE
will be able to read both sides of the exchange, but Noacoler and Drindl will be in the position of the fellow with his fingers in his ears chanting, "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I can't hear you! LA LA LA LA." The proverbial echo chamber.

That sounds like a win-win for Moonbat. So then some of the regulars like 12BarBlues and DDAWD will pacify Drindl and Noacoler by promising that THEY TOO will block Moonbat. That'll show him! But, trust me, when the other fellows can see what you post and can respond to it, but you can't see what they post, you are NOT in a position of strength.

Posted by: Brigade | July 19, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

He was too busy with GWOT to do anything about an inveitable economic catastrophe that wiped out trillions in equity. Threw millions out of work. Led to bank meltdowns not merely in the US, but across the industrialized nations Nearly caused a second great depression.
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Of course, he didn't have time. He was looking, looking, looking high and low, behind every sanddune for WMD. Oh, they weren't there? Who said they were? Oh, Uncle Dick, where DID I get that idee, sez W.

Gotta give W credit for looking for what wasn't there, instead of doing ANYTHING to stop/prevent/minimize the impending worldwide financial collapse. Give him an A for effort.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 19, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I suppose the quote below by broadwayjoe says everything - and explains why broadwayjoe will never be a productive member of society.


IT IS THE "BLAME EVERYONE" STORY - BLAME AND DO NOTHING.

Starting to sound like Obama - "blame Bush and do nothing about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac"

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Stanley Crouch, as we recall, is a "Juan Williams." May we one day find a cure for clinically observable Stockholm Syndrome. Nuff said.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 7:10 PM


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Isn't this comment extremely RACIST ???


This comment has as its basis the idea that ALL BLACKS SHOULD THINK ONE WAY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK.


That idea is RACIST.


Broadwayjoe does not believe that every individual should have Freedom of Thought - regardless of the color of their skin.


Broadwayjoe is a RACIST and should be BANNED FROM THIS BOARD FOREVER.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington

You seem to forget about 9/11 - and all the national security concerns of that time.

There were other things to do - other than clean up the bad policies of Bill Clinton.

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So…

He was too busy with GWOT to do anything about an inveitable economic catastrophe that wiped out trillions in equity. Threw millions out of work. Led to bank meltdowns not merely in the US, but across the industrialized nations Nearly caused a second great depression.

OK.

So, he apparently had time to diddle with education. Amongst the faithful, there should be no federal role. I'm guessing you're not an NCLB fan. Work on revamping the retirement system. Propose immigration reform.

It would appear that W had serious problems with his priorities. He had EIGHT years to rectify the time bomb that you claim Clinton left him. To not do so is treason.

I do hope that you hang around for the new system. This is fun.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 19, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I hate to rain on the Obama parade, but things aren't going to get any better between now and the November election. We have a President and Congress oblivious to the fact that business, not government, is the driving force in our economy. In their delusional world, the tooth fairy pays the cost of government and creates jobs; business is the enemy.

Businesses are sitting tight until they fully understand the burdensome costs of all these new regulations and just when and how much taxes are going up to cover Obama's ocean of debt. The stimulus was pretty much a bust. Big banks and investment houses made out okay; small businesses couldn't get a loan if they wanted one. It was supposed to keep unemployment below 8%, but it's holding steady around 10%.

So far, everything's going on the federal credit card and hidden by crooked accounting stats. Dems would rather see the unemployed go without further benefits than compromise with Republicans by pulling pork out of the bill and finding some way to offset the cost. Just let the next President worry about it.

Here's the bottom line: Democrats regained control of Congress in 2006. Are you better off four years later than you were then? Come November it will be two years since Democrats gained control of the White House. Are you better off now than you were then? Are you getting sick of excuses and the lame "Blame Bush" routine? Then vote for change.

Some say, "give them more time!" But according to leichtman1, it shouldn't take long. Evidently the Clinton era surpluses and prosperity can all be put down to the 1993 Democratic budget. What happened during the next six years with Republicans in control of Congress doesn't count at all. Oh, wait! I guess we can give them credit for repeal of Glass-Steagall.

Posted by: Brigade | July 19, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, the leftists on this blog are the ones who are provoking everyone else with their bad attitude.


They have ceased to have honest, rational discussion.

The leftists posting a bunch of deceptions and lies is not discussion.

The complaints - after the constant and daily harassment from the left - are absolutely ridiculous.


And the brainless wonders are actually looking at their computer screens wondering where that comes from.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

L1, 37 has also migrated to the WashPo blog called 44. Sigourney Weaver, where are you? Seriously, if the host wanted 37 (or zouk for that matter) gone he'd be gone. That 37 is still here, spamming 24/7, speaks for itself.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

One of the stars of the modern Tea Party is a guy named Billy Roper. Seems he's running to be Governor of Arkansas. Here's what the highly regarded Anti-Defamation League had to say about this leading teabagger:
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"Billy Roper, who heads the white supremacist White Revolution group, based in Arkansas, is listed as an organizer on a Tea Party movement Web site. In a June 2009 post to the White Revolution blog, Roper claimed to be organizing a Tea Party in Arkansas and sending White Revolution "representatives who will be witnessing and converting lost souls at Tea Parties from North Carolina to Arizona." [emphasis in original]

A May blog post revealed that White Revolution members will attend local Tea Party protests and distribute leaflets and flyers. Their goal will be to "educate, activate, and recruit." The blog post encouraged readers to "plan to attend one to do your part for our race and nation!"
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It appears Janeane Garofalo, if anything, was understating the baggers', er, "issues." White-on, baggers? :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

All,

Have you ever thought that your bad attitudes contribute toward the atmosphere on this blog - which you all complain constantly about ?

The leftists are PROVOKING everyone here - on a daily basis.

And the lies and racism of broadwayjoe doesn't help either.


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Not even George W Bush is out there defending his own Administrattion's economic policies that let to Sept 15 and Dec 21, 2008. And why are those dates important? Ask John Cornyn and 37th the only 2 people left on this planet still defending the Bush/Hoover economic policies. Sorry about that zouk I forgot to mention you as another Bush apologist. 37th was banned weeks ago but yet still has 6 rambling/incoherent posts on this one thread. CC your staff isn't delivering what you promised.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 7:14 PM
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What policies exactly? The idea that everyone should be able to own a home, regardless of their ability to pay for it? Or maybe the repeal of Glass-Steagall which you guys continue to hang on Bush even though Clinton signed the bill and it passed both houses of Congress with overwhelming bipartisan support. That was the "deregulation" that led to the onerous financial transactions used to camouflage the mortgage crisis until it was too, late. There were Republican efforts to take a closer look at what was going on at Fannie and Freddie, but Barney and Doddsy and their cohorts stymied all efforts after Democrats regained control of Congress after the 2006 election.

Bush has a lot to answer for, but on his worst day, he was a more competent President than Obama's been to date.

Einstein said "imagination is more important than knowledge." You guys should be feeling very important about now.

Posted by: Brigade | July 19, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

leichtman

Again your reading comprehension skills are horrible - they said that banning would not work


And yet, you find that one sentence to complain over and over and over again.

Is there any other part of the Bill of Rights that you don't like ???

If you prefer to have critics silenced, please move to a totalitarian country.


That would solve the problem.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Actually Ben originally called the teabaggers "the linear descendant[s] of the [segregationist] White Citizens Council." But Ben walked back from that statement, possibly due to pressure from corporate sponsors. Again, light bills must be paid.
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More from Tea Party spokesman Mike Williams' now famous "Letter to Abe Lincoln."

"The tea party position to “end the bailouts” for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn’t that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds."

The gift that keeps on giving...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

During the Health Care debate President Obama stated that there was no tax penalty when if one did not obtain the mandatory health insurance the law required. Now DOJ is defending the law by stating Congress can impose taxes.

It appears President Obama must have misspoken!

Posted by: mwhoke | July 19, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

"Next time the lefties send their hired cronies with racist signs to discredit a Tea Party gathering, they should just save the effort-"

and where in the world is that nonsense coming from? Please don t tell me that you have now adopted 37th's strategy of simply making things up then trying to pass them off as fact. I presumed you knew better than that.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

What kind of dumbass question is this? Other than brutalizing Hispanics, name me one way that Republicans diverge from Bush policies? We're in one of the biggest recessions in almost a century and Republicans still can't see it fit to regulate the industries that caused it.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 19, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

JRM2


That is just a passive aggressive stance


You want to have this board 100% leftist all the time.


The country does not work that way.


And it is the policies which you support which are the ones which are hurting this nation.


Your combination of arrogance and being wrong is unbelievable.


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

jrm we were told weeks ago that this nonsense by 37th would come to an end.
I truly don't blame you if you decide to leave. No one person should be allowed to take over and abuse a political site. I am convinced as others have suggested that CC
is deliberately tolerating this abuse, perhaps he feels those kinds of rants appeal to the faux news crowd. But enough is truly enough. It needs to be stopped before CC loses complete control of this place.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

With another Bush, George P Bush buying votes for the republican party from the illegals in, once again Texas, it should come as no surprise that another Bush league administration is being readied for the Jeb and Sarah show. The Bush buddies, the Bin Ladens of the house of Saud are waiting with open arms and an army of Kamakazi's to deflect our attention from our enemy within.

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | July 19, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

37, we "refudiate" everything you said.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Stanley Crouch, as we recall, is a "Juan Williams."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 7:10 PM

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Yes, a pundit with a brain. So now BroadwayJoe comes to Farrakhan's defense. I'm afraid you're the one suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, Joe; you've been captive to the haters too long.

Here's a test. If you fail, go to wingers.com and get your sign (as Foxworthy says). Get a sweatshirt, a ball cap, and a coffee mug, too, all adorned with the phrase, "I AM A WINGER"!

We know what Ben Jealous said last week, but Joe says it was only to pay the light bill. Here's a quote from Joe Biden, who appeared on ABC's THIS WEEK Sunday:

"Some of the Tea Party folks have expressed racist views, but I don't believe, the president doesn't believe, that the Tea Party is a racist organization. ... Very conservative. Very different views on government and a whole lot of things. But it is not a racist organization."

So the President and Vice President, as well as Ben Jealous, share my view on the subject. No light bill to be paid. That pretty well settles the issue unless you want to paint Biden and Obama as fools or liars. Another argument by the Fix left wing has been successfully routed and rebutted. Just like always.

Next time the lefties send their hired cronies with racist signs to discredit a Tea Party gathering, they should just save the effort---that dog won't hunt.

Posted by: Brigade | July 19, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


You seem to forget about 9/11 - and all the national security concerns of that time.


There were other things to do - other than clean up the bad policies of Bill Clinton.


Have you been in a COMA ?

What is wrong with you? Seriously, you really have to do more thinking before you write something down.

It makes no sense to blame Bush.

This nation was concerned about a series of domestic terrorist incidents - like the troubles which hit Ireland in the 70s.

It was not beyond the possible.

But YOU ARE DESPERATE TO BLAME BUSH FOR SOEMTHING.

To the point of completely forgetting about 9/11.

The democrats have lost ALL credibility -

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Not even George W Bush is out there defending his own Administrattion's economic policies that led to Sept 15 and Dec 21, 2008. And why are those dates important? Ask John Cornyn and 37th the only 2 people left on this planet still defending the Bush/Hoover economic policies. Sorry about that zouk I forgot to mention you as another Bush apologist.

37th was banned weeks ago but yet still has 7 rambling/incoherent rants on this one thread. CC your staff isn't delivering what you promised.

Once again The Fix has allowed 37th to take over this site, Apparently rules don't apply to him. Its amazing how someone who comes here and lectures us every single day about the constitution, cannot even comprehend the very simple rules set out by The Fix. He brags how wonderful he is in and that he is above all rules. classy.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I must be insane for coming back here to try to have some kind of rational discussion when this board is literally flooded by angry, accusing, unsubstantiated, repetitious ramblings by 37th.

Time for me to take a long break Chris.

Sorry, can't take it anymore, it's like you can't escape it.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 19, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

leichtman

Stop complaining about other posters


If you read the posts, you will LEARN that the policies you are complaining about are not Bush's - those policies are Bill Clintons.

WHERE IS BILL CLINTON DEFENDING HIS DEREGULATION OF THE DERIVATIVES MARKETS?

Your posting and thinking is extremely shallow and immature.

What is unbelievable is you continue to repeat the same set of lies.

You should be BANNED for repeating yourself.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Any chance Jerry Lewis can do a Labor Day telethon for Stockholm Syndrome?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse


Stanley Crouch, as we recall, is a "Juan Williams." May we one day find a cure for clinically observable Stockholm Syndrome. Nuff said.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 7:10 PM


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Isn't this comment extremely RACIST ???


This comment has as its basis the idea that ALL BLACKS SHOULD THINK ONE WAY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK.

That idea is RACIST.

Broadwayjoe does not believe that every individual should have Freedom of Thought - regardless of the color of their skin.

Broadwayjoe is a RACIST and should be BANNED FROM THIS BOARD FOREVER.


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

vgailitis: The current economic conditions are a result of the financial meltdown of 2008 which was triggered by the mortgage crisis which started when the housing bubble burst in 2006 causing a domino effect throughout the world's economies.

and BTW: Dems took control in Jan. of 2007.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 19, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Not even George W Bush is out there defending his own Administrattion's economic policies that let to Sept 15 and Dec 21, 2008. And why are those dates important? Ask John Cornyn and 37th the only 2 people left on this planet still defending the Bush/Hoover economic policies. Sorry about that zouk I forgot to mention you as another Bush apologist. 37th was banned weeks ago but yet still has 6 rambling/incoherent posts on this one thread. CC your staff isn't delivering what you promised.

Posted by: leichtman1 | July 19, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The issue is NOT Bush anymore - the issue is Obama.

Sure Obama would love to keep on talking about Bush - and all the bad wraps that the democrats gave him.


The ISSUE IS OBAMA'S ECONOMIC POLICIES.

Obama's stimulus is a COMPLETE FAILURE.

Obama INSISTED on funneling billions of dollars to democratic interest groups - instead of job creation.


Obama never took the stimulus seriously.

A proper stimulus would have been tax incentives TIED DIRECTLY TO JOB CREATION.


NO JOB CREATION, NO TAX INCENTIVES, NO MONEY LAID OUT.

Instead, we had Obama giving money out for cars, houses, appliances - EVERYTHING THAT WHAT WOULD CREATE JOBS IN THE US.


Many of Obama's jobs were CREATED OVERSEAS.

You democrats wanted this guy Obama - he is a complete failure and he has no idea what he is doing.

What were you thinking when you voted for him? That it would be good for racial harmony to have a black as President ?

WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ? Did you ever ask yourself if he knew what he was doing ???

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Stanley Crouch, as we recall, is a "Juan Williams." May we one day find a cure for clinically observable Stockholm Syndrome. Nuff said.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


Read this article and get back to us.


It explains a great deal about you

Racial complaint has become too lucrative a hustle, and a hustler must always remain true to the game. Principles never sell as well as slogans.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/07/19/2010-07-19_is_naacp_blind_to_farrakhan__co.html#ixzz0uAMO4kep


Great Article by Stanley Crouch NY Daily News.


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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Republican's now have a new perspective from the Bush era. The primary focus is now on the economy, jobs and the debt. George Bush's trademark issue was national security, as he had 9/11 thrust onto him and his administration. Bush did what needed to be done to make America a safer nation and should never apologize for it. However, the issue in the here and now is the economy and how to fix it. Republicans will offer practical solutions such as lowering taxes, cutting entitlement programs to save money and paying off some of this debt to curb inflation. All of these issues are what matter to voters and Republicans running now. Democrats are stuck in their own little world on the notion that we as a nation can continue to raise taxes to pay for all these entitlements that already have us in a $13,000,000,000,000 debt and climbing. Republicans want to lower taxes to help business put Americans back to work again, cut entitlements to help pay off the ntl. debt to curb inflation and make the dollar worth something again. The Democrats claim this election is a choice between Bush policies vs. Obama policies. It's not. Bush's term ended in 2008. Obama & the Democrats have been in total control the last year & 1/2, and Democrats have controlled the House & Senate 4 years now. This is a choice however. American's will go to the polls to decide if entitlements are worth bankrupting the country for or if the ability to earn one's worth is the grand entitlement that makes America great.

I'll end with a little joke:

Over 2,000 years ago Moses said to the children of Israel: "pick up your shovels, bring your asses, get on your camels and follow me, I'll lead you to the promised land!"

Over 70 years ago FDR said "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses and light up a camel...this is the promised land!"

Now the government has confiscated your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of camels and mortgaged the promised land!

Folks, are we willing to work to make our own entitlements or are we willing to mortgage our nation to pay for our entitlements?

Posted by: reason5 | July 19, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


There was a war going on - as I stated in an earlier post - the economic wartime policy after 9/11 - was not really a partisan "Bush" policy -


Instead it was a war policy - designed to keep up the economic engine of the United States so we would not look weak in the war on terror -


The focus of that policy was to keep consumer spending up.


The Wall Street policies were Bill Clinton's policies - during the war, Bush did not revisit those policies that is true.

Even Greenspan - who was appointed by Clinton wasn't watching the mortgage markets properly.

It is absolutely amazing that the democrats are willing to "blame Bush" for the economic policies of CLINTON.

There is no responsibility from the democrats at all - all blame - it is always someone else's fault.


Well - if the democrats want it that way, don't run for election - because when you come in, you are responsible - it is that simple.

The American People do not want to hear Obama blame anyone - it is Obama's economy now -

It is Obama's stimulus that did not work.


And Obama's incompetence with allowed faulty safety inspections which led to the Gulf Oil Spill.


These are all Obama's. No one else.

If he didn't want it, Obama shouldn't have run for the office.


AND while you are at it - Obama is RESPONSIBLE for not doing anything about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -


How long has everyone known that there are problems at FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC - Obama is not doing anything there.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Republicans = Bush?
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We "refudiate" that, as Phalin would say in tea-bonics.

Sadly, at this point in time...

Republicans = Tea Party...and

Tea Party = Spokesman Mark Williams...and

Mark Williams = well...

Here's an excerpt from Mr. Williams' Smithsonian-bound "Letter to Abe Lincoln."
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"Dear Mr. Lincoln
We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop! ..."

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/tea-party-spokesman-says-naacp-is-a-racist-movement/

Tea Party Racist? Naaaaaaah.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 19, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

What would be the biggest reason for the people to turn against a President,answer the economy.When GW left he had the lowest Gallup Poll rating of any President in the US ever, even Carters was higher.Also it was the worst economy we had ,had since the Great Depression.

Posted by: whales60 | July 19, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The Justice Department today filed papers in Court stating that the health care individual mandate is a tax.

So now, we have Obama REQUIRING Americans to pay taxes to private companies.

What ?

The Court cases regarding Obama's health care plan are going to be interesting.

Especially if parts of the health care plan are declared Unconstitutional - because the bill will not hang together if some parts are not there.


The different parts need to be there - for the economics to balance out.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess all of the corruption I read about with AIG ,Lehman Brothers,BP,Haliburton,Enron,Citi Bank,and a host of others was Clinton's fault, how so .Also if it was he was there for 8 frigging years 6 of which with both the house and Senate being under the GOP,why didn't he address the problems and fix them.Probably because he and Cheney were to busy rewriting the Free Air and Rights Acts so they could have Cheney's Haliburton fract drill.Hey George yes Dick I found a way to get the oil out of the ground but we will need to do a little weaseling .It might screw up the water supply and ruin the environment ,but we will get filthy rich what do you say.Ah ah OK Dick whatever you say.

Posted by: whales60 | July 19, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The Wall Street policies of the last 10 years were the policies of Bill Clinton - it is that simple.

Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

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Thanks, 37th. You just illustrated the utter incompetence of the previous administration. Holding Congress for 6 years and the presidency and incapable of doing anything. Oh, and voting against any change against these policies you decry. Are you sure you want to vote for these bozos?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 19, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The Economic Policies of GW Bush

The tax cuts he provided in his 1st year of office created 3 Trillion dollar worth of dept.

By the end of his 2nd term in his last 4 months of office the US lost 3 million jobs .You do the math.

Posted by: whales60 | July 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Poor GWB!

Even his own people wouldn't use his policies and agenda just one day after saying they would! How much more insulting can it get?

The guy gets no respect and all the blame. For someone else's doings!

Posted by: kishorgala | July 19, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The Wall Street policies of the last 10 years were the policies of Bill Clinton - it is that simple.


Anything else is simply a lie.

One really cannot "blame Bush" for the wartime economy either.

So what do the democrats really have to go on? NOT MUCH.


Creating a campaign theme for the democrats this year HAS to be rooted in the truth - especially since Obama's 2008 is now considered the biggest pack of lies in American History - an UNPRECEDENTED set of lies.

Obama and his people would be wise to come up with something else - something that actually works with the facts.

Meanwhile, what is Obama going to say when people point out that he hasn't done anything about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?


With Obama choosing NOT to do anything about the center of the financial crisis, the democrats are going to be hard pressed to have any credibility that they have really took aim at the problems.

Obama has been a disaster.

All I know is the tactics of these bloggers on this board are not going to work this time.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Everyone seems to forget that the expectations for George W. when he was elected that his economic policies would be similar to his father's economic policies.

Then 9/11 hit - and there were 5 years of basically a wartime economy.

THAT WARTIME ECONOMY was characterized by a desire to keep consumers spending - keep up the economic engine of the United States - so that the US would not seem weak in the war on terror.


Few seem to remember that additional attacks were anticipated - and the government and businesses were bracing for the potential effects of a widespread series of domestic terrorist attacks no much unlike the troubles in Ireland in the 70s.

In this context, it is simply ridiculous to "blame Bush" because he didn't take on the Wall Street lobby to repeal the actions of Bill Clinton (the de-regulation of derivatives, the repeal of Glass Steagall and the free trade deals.)

One also should remember that the War on Terror had vast domestic implications.

The War on Terror had 3 fronts - Afghanistan, Iraq and domestically in the US.


Whether you agree that was the correct approach or not, there WERE 3 fronts - the US was defending itself and conducting operations on 3 separate fronts.

SO WHAT WERE BUSH'S ECONOMIC POLICIES ???

Bush's economic policies were a wartime economic policy - keeping in place what Bill Clinton did.

To blame Bush for anything is ridiculous - and for people who should know better - an outright lie.


Remember that the democrats took control of Congress in 2006 - so the nation had about 5 years of Bush wartime economic policies.


And that is about it - the Bush tax cuts - continueing the Wall Street policies of Bill Clinton.

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Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 19, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Republicans never STOPPED being Bush Jr. Please.

Posted by: blazertaco | July 19, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes take us back to $5 gas per gallon, A raid on a treasury with a war built on lies, take us back to wall street run a muck and housing market about to implode because of no regulation. Please take us back to politics ran by corporations that do not give a darn about the American people but lining there pockets at the expense of the Middle Class.
please I am begging you to take us back to : Leave our children and nation behind..

Posted by: KBrustmeyer2003 | July 19, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I doubt very much that Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor have any intention of signing on to the policies of George W. Bush. They are much more pragmatic politicians than that.

I do believe that the Democrats in-charge of Congress for the last four years have signed on to the failed policies of Jimmy Carter and once Barack Obama was elected they decided that they would enact the progressive/liberal policies that have driven up the deficit and national debt to levels that were never imagined by any previous administration.

The current crop of Democrats in Washington and President Obama have taken "tax and spend" to levels that are unhealthy for the Country!

Posted by: mwhoke | July 19, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes by all means take us BACK to 4.5% unemployment instead of 17% or is it 20%? Take us back when he had jobs and homes and futures! So far the democrat disaster started in 2006 and produced my unemployment and displacement than the dem much used phrase, "since Herbert Hoover" will end on election day 2010 and be totally removed on election day 2012! Americans don't want socialism, communism, Marxist or elitism and I would advise all those in DC to start looking for other employment because the big broom is headed your way and all the garbage goes!

Posted by: vgailitis | July 19, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama FINALLY Makes a Decision on the Oil Well Blow Out in the Gulf-

Allows BP to attempt to Escape Liability-

The NY Times


"U.S. Allows BP to Keep Well Closed for Another Day
By HENRY FOUNTAIN
Published: July 19, 2010

A pressure test of BP’s undersea well that has kept fresh oil from gushing into the Gulf of Mexico will be allowed to continue for another day, despite concerns about potential new problems near the well, the government official overseeing the spill response said Monday.

The government ordered BP to step up monitoring of the well after “undetermined anomalies” were discovered on the seafloor nearby. The government’s top official in the Gulf response, retired Coast Guard admiral Thad W. Allen, said that government scientists had talked late Sunday with BP about a seep and the possible detection of methane around the well.

A seep — usually a flow of hydrocarbons from the seafloor — could be evidence that oil, gas or both are escaping from the well up to the seafloor, which could prompt the government to order BP to remove the cap and resume oil collection.

But seeps also occur naturally, and in a briefing for reporters Monday afternoon, BP said that government and company scientists were coming to the conclusion that the seep was probably of natural origin and unrelated to the well.

In a statement on Monday morning, Admiral Allen said that in authorizing BP to continue the integrity test for another 24 hours, he “restated our firm position that this test will only continue if they continue to meet their obligations to rigorously monitor for any signs that this test could worsen the overall situation.”

On Sunday, after three days of encouraging pressure tests, a senior BP official said that the company’s recently capped well in the Gulf of Mexico was holding up and that BP now hoped to keep the well closed until it could be permanently plugged. BP’s plan differs sharply from the one the company and the federal government had suggested only a day earlier, to eventually allow the flow of oil to resume temporarily, collecting it through pipes to surface ships.

If BP succeeds in keeping the cap atop the well closed until a relief well is finished, that would mean the gusher would effectively be over, three months — and tens of millions of gallons of oil — after it began. It would be a major turnaround after weeks of failure for the oil giant, which had been harshly criticized as being unprepared for such a disaster...

If the well is not reopened, it could mean that the precise volume of oil that leaked — the well has been estimated to be flowing at a rate of 35,000 to 60,000 barrels a day — may never be known.


That raises the question of whether the company might escape some liability for the spill." (!)

Posted by: thecannula | July 19, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

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