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Gates-gate: Controversy Grows



Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates' arrest has sparked a national controversy. AP Photo by Josh Reynolds

A seemingly innocuous answer by President Barack Obama in response to a question at last night's press conference regarding the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. has spawned a national controversy that threatens to overshadow the chief executive's messaging on the urgency of health care reform.

In a press conference dominated by questions over his health care plan, Obama took a final query from the Chicago Sun-Times' reporter Lynn Sweet who asked whether he had a thought on the arrest of the well-known professor for "breaking in" to his own home.

After caveating his answer by noting he didn't have all the facts at his disposal, Obama said matter-of-factly that the Cambridge police had acted "stupidly" in their arrest of Gates.

We noted -- in our live Twitter of the presser -- that ending the event on race relations rather than health care wasn't ideal for the president. But, little did we know that media maelstrom that would ensue.

Faced with questions about the president's seemingly off-the-cuff remark, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said -- during a flight to Cleveland for a health care town hall today -- that while Obama didn't regret anything he had said, the situation seemed to have escalated due to the behavior of "both sides".

Then, in a "Nightline" interview, Obama chose not to back down from his comments but did note:

"I think that I have extraordinary respect for the difficulties of the job that police officers. And my suspicion is that words were exchanged between the police officer and Mr. Gates and that everybody should have just settled down and cooler heads should have prevailed. That's my suspicion."

Republicans, sensing opportunity, have released a banner ad questioning the appropriateness of the commander-in-chief saying that the Cambridge police "acted stupidly".

(Politico's Ben Smith has done a great job following the back and forth on the issue.)

A tempest in a teapot? Almost certainly. But, the media swirl that has developed in the wake of Obama's comments last night reveals just how critical message discipline is when you sit in the White House.

The Administration wanted today's message to be about the urgent need for health care reform -- witness the president's town hall in Cleveland and the new Democratic National Committee ad campaign -- but instead saw much of the coverage focused on whether Obama stepped too far out on a limb in his defense of Gates.

Again, the long-term impact of the Gates story is minimal. But, for every minute of press coverage it draws is a minute not being spent pushing the idea of the necessity of health care reform.

By Chris Cillizza  |  July 23, 2009; 5:56 PM ET
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Hopefully, Sgt. Crowley explains in detail why he was forced to arrest Prof. Gates. Even better if the press conference gets loud and demands an apology from Obama and Gates.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse


Tomorrow, Gates and Crowley join Obama at the White House, so the story stays alive at least one more news cycle.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse
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The invite of President Obama to both individuals to be his guest at the White House is what we call Politics. Whites on Whites, Blacks on Blacks. Afterall, the president is bi-racial which most whites are insulted by. The caucasian part of the president will always be a part of his heritage. Many caucasian would ask how in the world would a white woman marry a black man from Kenya and produce an offspring who would be president of this great nation is an insult to Caucasian men, or to the caucasian race as a whole (looking back to history) And although the racial issue can not generally be emphasize specifically on the part of the white men, it is a deep seated issue.
I would not even give James Crowley the benefit of the doubt and get invited to the white house because of his stupidity. The President is wise to showcase these two individuals, a learned black professor who acted erratically and a stupid white police officer who has a deep need to humiliate a black person. History repeats itself. We are kidding ourselves if we think history will change itself. It has been century that this ever standing race issue has been ongoing. Many lives has been sacrificed to make our lives a better place....we have a black president alright, but the attitude of the white men towards a black men is still so apparent and obvious towards a black men. Until the White Men acknowleges the fact that the black men or other races are human being and not animals to be hunted and shoot to kill, things will remain the same until thy kingdom come. We are not the problem here...the white men is.

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 29, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

news5:

I live in San Diego, CA. How about you?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

It is ironic that the same people who wanted me arrested, for peacefully exercising my First Amendment rights to protest on a public sidewalk, don't think that Prof. Gates should have been arrested for his disorderly conduct.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD...
sweetheart...you need not double check if you are real familiar with the Boston area.
YOU ARE FORGETTING WE LIVE THERE.
Would you know where Brookline is? And the reputation of this little tiny city in itself? This you need to double check.
I would not live in Brookline if I am paranoid. It is obvious to me that you do not even know Boston and where Brookline is.
You said you were in Boston this past week...so why double check the bridge connecting boston and Cambridge. Now if indeed you were there...can you tell me the university right after you cross the bridge to Cambridge?
James Crowley is a white man who would not hesitate to lynch anyone who is not white if he happen to live somewhere in the south or another area. You keep saying he is a good cop, you must be personally known to him and you whites stick together. That is why you view him as "good cop". Yes, maybe he is, but only BY CHOICE. He is a good cop to whites maybe, not to any other races.
I am not black, my husband is. I have not experience any discrimination of any sort but I am always in constant odds with whites when I am with my husband. Thankful that my children does not have any bad experience with either black or white or any races at that.
JakeD.....quit the BS and be for real.

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 29, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The bridge from Vancouver, BC to the United States is short, as well. It's still a different country.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow, Gates and Crowley join Obama at the White House, so the story stays alive at least one more news cycle.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

to jakeD
the bridge from boston to cambridge...is real short. its a good distance to do your jogging....when and if you are in boston

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 29, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

My only "case" as to you were my sincere apologies that you are so paranoid -- it is sad actually that you would accuse a good cop like Crowley of wanting to lynch you -- I was actually wondering if you've ever met "scrivener50" but you didn't answer that question. The "jury" is everyone reading (probably not so many on this thread anymore). I double-checked, and Cambridge is a separate city "outside of Boston". As I posted, below, my wife and I were just there this past weekend.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

At my home in Brookline...I cross the street and I am in Boston
I cross the bridge and I am in Cambridge.
MY EXACT WORD IS "OUTSIDE OF BOSTON".
To many who are not so well informed like yourself, when we talk boston.... cambridge and brookline are in the same area.
CAMBRIDGE AND BROOKLINE IS IN THE VICINITY OF BOSTON. I gather you are not Bostonian...so why are you so concern about what I have to say.
Oh by the way....their are no jury here and I am not in trial nor in court. You are not my trial lawyer, plaintiff or defendant, otherwise.
Further, if indeed we are in court, you just lost your case....
You love to talk I see that....opps! i should re-phrase that....you love to make bubbles.
I am only responding to you because there is a saying "teach the ignorant"...but an ignorant like yourself, who does not want to learn is a lost cause.

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 29, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, I don't know the exact city limits of Boston proper, but Cambridge is "outside of Boston" (and across the bridge) per any reasonable, common sense understanding. Regardless, at least you agree there is no chance any African-American will be actually lynched in Cambridge (I don't even want to know what a "symbolic" lynching is). I will indeed rest my case upon your admission and submit that issue to the jury.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

JAke D
According to Lisa "there is no danger of lynching in Cambridge" I think I responded well to her message. She was definitely right.
According to my own words, as you quoted me, "outside of Boston," (outside where we live at, outside of Cambridge) to be specific, it is true. I did not say Cambridge as Lisa had said.
People's attitude outside of the vicinity of Boston is a whole lot different. Salem is one area I hate to be around, the history of which you can get paranoid. Talking about paranoia.
I am from the old school, my children are from the new school. We differ in our opinion. I keep my reservation on a whole lot different level.
You and Lisa must be white, Caucasian I should say, Caucasian of Massachusettes. Well, that explain the issue. I rest my case, and I hope you would too.

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 29, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

prudencerussell (these are your words, in caps, originally):

WE FEAR TO GO OUTSIDE BOSTON (i.e. Cambridge) FOR FEAR THEY WILL LYNCH US.

We are simply responding to your words.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

to you lisa421
with all due respect, there are many James Crowley anywhere in the USA and as far as Australia. Yes, you are right, he can not do it in Cambridge, and never was any lynching done at Cambridge. That was not my word, it belongs to you. I never said he'd lynch us at Cambridge. If he was anywhere else, he would. We live at Brookline. I am well familiar with Cambridge. I don't know what part of town you live in but by the same token what James Crowley did to the professor was indeed symbolic of lynching.

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 29, 2009 3:45 AM | Report abuse

We got a look into Obama's soul. We elected a black president because we thought with all his great rhetoric he would state the case fairly in whatever situation he found himself in, and this fair eloquence would lead to solutions. Suddenly in an unscripted moment we find this is not true.

In my view this is a look into Obama's soul and his innate tendency to be prejudiced against whites. However, isn't it amazing how truth is in the eyes of the beholder. Here we have a Harvard professor who probably forgot his keys, breaks into his house with a crowbar, and berates the police who are investigating a possible burglary. I agree with the many who have said it sounds like the professor was the stupid one. Neverhteless in a true OJ flashback I'll bet over 90% of blacks think the professor was right. Newsflash! It's not just blacks who should say "yes sir" to police officers. And that's true even if the blacks are firm believers in liberation theology.

Alas, the people without requesting it, just received an Ivy League education. We now have learned that being from Harvard does not guarantee you won't be stupid, nor does it guarantee you won't be prejudiced. Well heck, there goes our idealistic hope for world peace, because we have learned Harvard ideas are no better than our own. We just found out our prez is human and sometimes stupid. As for this being a learning moment, come on. The main people who should have learned from this are the president and the professor. They met the enemy, and he was them.

Posted by: robandjeanne | July 29, 2009 2:08 AM | Report abuse

No one is in danger of being "lynched" in Cambridge though, which is what you posted.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 28, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

to JakeD
The word is "cautious" not paranoia. I am non-white and my husband is black. My two daughters have no hang ups whatsoever of their ethnic origin. The eldest who graduated at Boston U is now a Labor Attorney for the Dept. of Labor here in California and Washington D.C. She earned her two Masters and JD (Law School) at Cambridge and a PhD here in California. She loves Massachusettes. My other daughter is a graduate of NYU and loves New york. Both are not into politics. They just hate Sarah Palin...they call her the ding ding of the century.
Professor Gate was my oldest daughter's professor at one time. She has no comment.
My premise on Gates/Crowley incident is not a BLACK/WHITE ISSUE. It is an issue whereas, if an officer can arrest me in my own home, what safe place would I place myself? As my daughter look at the situation, she also went along with the President's comment about it was a stupid reaction on the part of the officer. The officer should have kept a cool head, no matter how the professor rant and rave and done all the disorderly behavior, in his own house, the officer has no right whatsoever to force the professor out of his house, handcuffed him, took him downtown, fingerprinted the professor and treated him like a common criminal.
What the officer should have done is, calm the professor down, made sure that the person that is ranting and raving and insulting him, is truly the property owner of the house, and then once that was established, the officer should have explained to the professor that they are there only protecting his interest and nothing else. And if the officer was trained real well at his job, he could have told the professor since they are already at his doorstep that maybe they can look around his house just to make sure that none other is in the house but him and the other person with him (his driver). The officer should be train to keep a level head at all times....not enforce the status of his uniform, at which we believe the professor was just intimidated by it. That is why I say, that James Crowley is the kind that will hang us atop a tree because first of all he knows he has the upperhand being an officer of the law, and FEELING SUPERIOR ABOVE ANY OTHER RACE, BEING THAT HE IS WHITE. The officer being white feels he was insulted by a black man, and no matter who the hell this black man is, does not matter to him, because he feels the black man has no business talking to him like how the professor reacted because he already has this certain built-in condecending attitude towards any other race. Now, if other feels this was a racially motivated situation, it might be. I'd say Amen to that.

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 28, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

NOW the silence is deafening ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

leichtman:

Since you won't answer my simple question, I will not be answering any more of your questions. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Anyone else:

Prof. Gates sighting here in California (while I was protesting at the scene of the crime in Cambridge ; )

9-1-1 audio:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/27/911_tape_reveals_caller_did_not_bring_up_race_of_gates.html

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

1. How many criminal cases have you prosecuted or defended?
2. Have you read the Mass Penal Code or case law on disorderly conduct?
3. Tell me in detail how many cases of Disorderly Conduct have ever been succesfully prosecuted for conduct in or about a private home in Mass?
4. If the D.A. had such a stong case to prosecute why were charges dropped less than 24 hours after the arrest?
5.Explain in detail why a Defendant's disarming his home alarm is not notice that it is the Defendant's home.
6. Yes or No.Is an officer's police report evidence of a crime?

There was a driver who delivered Gates to his home that fact is not in dispute. Gates claims he presented his Mass d.l. and Harvard id to the officer. Whether the officer saw the luggage or whether he presented his d.l are fact issues that neither of us know and just b/c it is not mentioned in a polic report does not make it a fact, other than in ditto land. That is why police reports are not evidentiary in most jurisdictions.

Now tell me how many of these real legal issues YOU have answered in 2 days since you claim you have responded to each and every one.

I am a criminal defense lawyer who has dealt with these types of cases weekly for 30 years and why I am interested in its details. Curious why you are so obsessed with this man, did he do something personally to you?

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Well once again FOXNEWS hit a all time new low. Bad enough this is day #7 and they are still talking about the Gates drama but now they are going after Farrah Fawcett.

For freaken sake the woman had cancer, don't they have a heart.
According to Foxnews:"Farrah Fawcett excluded Ryan O'Neal from her 2007 will, instead leaving everything to her son Redmond O'Neal"fOXNEWS....reports Redmond was in jail on drug-related charges and unable to be by his mother's side when she died. O'Neal said he asked Fawcett to "please forgive him, that he was so very, very sorry."foxnews..

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | July 27, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"Never, ever" as in my posts today at 2:16 PM and 2:13 PM? Oops, my fault, you won't answer MY questions -- even after I've answered every question you've asked on this thread -- any objective person reviewing these posts can tell who didn't questions here.

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

good-faith questions?

Have fun playing in your make believ sandbox.

Incidentally you have proven your bonafides. Never ever responding to anything the other side brings up, only throwing out red herrings, stomping your feet, and acting like a 6 year old.

You are precisely why thinking people don't take blog sites seriously. Now run and play in your sand box I have clients to defend with real issues.

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I already said that the answer to that question is easy (assuming it's true, which it is in my case: I have never beat my wife. Obviously, you weren't here to answer good-faith questions in the first place. Have a nice life.

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

have you stopped beating your wife?
I demand that you answer that question

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"Do you have ESP?"

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I also never said: "Gates obviously took no luggage to China" so that's a strawman argument. If you won't answer MY pending question to you, however, you can rest assured that I won't try again.

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

1) I do not consider "Have you stopped beating your wife?" an intellugent (SIC) question -- the only stupid question, however, is the one not asked -- the real reason I didn't ask it is because such a question is not relevant to these facts. BTW: the answer to that question is easy (assuming it's true): I have never beat my wife.

2) Prof. Gates did violate the disorderly conduct statute of Mass., in that he was screaming outside of the house "with [the] purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, [including but not limited to] he: (a) engage[d] in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior; or (b) ma[de] unreasonable noise or offensively coarse utterance, gesture or display, or addresse[d] abusive language to any person present; or (c) create[d] a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor."

3) I do understand that an officer's police report is not evidence -- there are evidentiary exceptions which would allow admission of the report -- more importantly, the officer testifying from said report is "evidence".

4) There's no issue as to whether Sgt. Crowley knew that Prof. Gates was not a burglar at the point in time when he arrested him. All of what you've pointed out provides the "hints" so I can't answer that question anymore precisely.

5) The D.A. was so quick to dismiss the charge because he was afraid of Prof. Gates's connections, unlike Sgt. Crowley.

6) I have neither prosecuted, nor defended, any disorderly conduct charges in my career.

7) I do not think that good police officers leave out exculpatory evidence on purpose.

8) I have not tried any criminal cases before a jury.

9) I am not bothering to mention that Prof. Gates turned off the alarm or how quickly the Cambridge D.A. dropped the charge because it is irrelevant to my points. See specific answers to each of those points above.

10) I am aware, and even care, that the conduct I am protesting must be conducted in a PUBLIC PLACE (such as outside the home) in order to be prosecuted. Such as, outside the house, see above.

Now you have NO excuse to continue not answering MY question to you.

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Curious where you have made any attempt to repond to anything that I have posted on this story in the last 2 days other than to say Gates obviously took no luggage to China. Wow we are all impresessed with your kean legal observations.

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

don't respond to idiots who totally ignore the posts of others and act like they know everything about everything. Typical ditto head. Curious where you have made any attempt to repond to anything that I have posted on this story in the last 2 days.

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

It would have been easier just to answer my question.

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

your question is idiotic. Why don't you ask something intellugent like have you stopped beating your wife. Oh, the logic of the far right, can't possibly enter into an intelligent discussion. Your rants portray you as acting like a 6 year old child pounding the table.

"it is obvious that you have zero respect for the legal system, be it Republican D.A.s or Republican Judges, because you know better."

Your question is as idiotic and mindleess as your posts. As long as you refuse to respond I will not waste my time with you.

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

You are under no obligation to answer my "silly" question. As I stated, however, a simple "yes" or "no" would have been easier and then I would have been more than happy to have answered all of your questions. No skin off my nose either.

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

it is obvious that you have zero respect for the legal system, be it Republican D.A.s or Judges, you know better.

Your question is as idiotic and mindleess as your posts. As long as you refuse to respond I will not waste my time with you.

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"Yes, I know how juries rule" is not an ANSWER to whether you have ESP. I am not the one avoiding the question.

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Now, do you have ESP?


Actually jake some of actually went to law school and have prosecuted and defended these cases before juries, so yes I know how juries rule on these cases, and would be most happy to forward to you the nolli(dismissal orders) rom conservative Republican judges on cases which were backed with much stronger evidence then this.
You can avoid all of my questions about your vast trial experience and knowledge about the admissability of police reports,whether you have ever read case law or the Mass statatute on disorderly conduct, why the DA dismissed this case w/i 24 hrs and how Gate's turning off the allarm in his onw home just might have given the officer a hint that he lived there b/c it is obvious that you know nothing.

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The driver was there unless you are suggesting 1. Gates walked home from the airport
2. Traveled to China with only a toothbrush.

I won't waste any more time with you jaked b/c as you have proven during the election, you have an agenda, and logic and legal reasoning is obviously not a part of that agenda.

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Or, 3. The driver had left by the time Sgt. Crowley arrived. I didn't need to go to law school to understand that. At least you answered ONE question. Now, do you have ESP?

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"my questions about how Sgt. Crowley would known about a driver."

The driver was there unless you are suggesting 1. He walked from the airport
2. Traveled to China with only a suit case.

You must be a hotshot litigator from your idiotic questions.

I guess that is the same logic which seems to be lacking, that says as a burglar Gateshe knew the code to his alarm.

Clever way of avoiding the only issue at hand. Did he violate the disorderly conduct statute of Mass.? The local D.A. and the Mass statute say he did not but with your vast criminal defense and prosecution experience you obviously know better. Ask any Harris County D.A. or Republican Judge what they would actually have done with these charges if as you ignorantly suggest they should have proceeded to prosecute. The law is my guide, not your right wing/Limbaugh driven rants.

Once again you do understand that an officer's police report is not evidence?

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I haven't been silent (just ask "chrisfox8" who posts daily about wishing that I would leave). All your questions will be answered, just as soon as you answer mine. Here's a helpful hint. Joking that I must have ESP is not an "answer" to whether you have ESP. I will not repeat my questions to you again.

Posted by: JakeD | July 27, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

1. Gates says he went to the back door when the front door jammed, and opened it with his keys opened then turned off the alarm. You must have some inside info providing Gates with his alarm passcode. Why would that not provide just a hint that he was in his own home?

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

you must think that you have esp since the driver has said repeately that he helped Gates into the house.

My quesions were as follows:
1. Gates says he went to the back door when the front door opened with his keys opened the back door and turned off his alarm. You must have some inside info providing Gates with his alarm passcode.

2. Why were the D.A.'s so quick to dismiss his charges?

3. Since you claim to have such vast knowledge of the criminal justice system please tell us how many disordery conduct charges you have either prosecuted or tried to a jury in your career.

4. Please let us know that you know that police report is not 'evidence' in a criminal trial as you repeately want to urge.

Your silence is defeaning.

Posted by: leichtman | July 27, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"would have known" (I presume the driver was gone -- it's a one way street -- and suitcases were no longer out in public). I've read the eyewitness accounts too

Posted by: JakeD | July 26, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

None of that answers my questions about how Sgt. Crowley would known about a driver / suitcases or whether you personally have ESP.

Posted by: JakeD | July 26, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I have answered your question jakeD in detail. With the Maas. law, case law, and eye witness accounts of a driver who brought suit cases into gates's home. Apparently you have no regard for what state criminal laws actually say b/c of your myopic views and open hostility towards this man to blind to the reality that charges which never should have been brought were abruptly dropped. Forunately you neither get to write our ciminal statutes or are empowered to pick and choose how to enforce them, so be it.

Posted by: leichtman | July 26, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Mr Gates was tired, and a little cranky. But it is also possible that he was scared that his little bogus charity scheme, the Inkwell Foundation, Inc, was now under scrutiny. Once he realized that what was happening, he tried to make sure this dubious charity would not be brought to light. It seems that this charity, designed to promote DNA testing and ancestry research for Black Americans, has taken in over $200,000, but only given out $27,500 in grants, and those were mainly to close associates of Mr. Gates. The Boston Globe did some research on this last year, and I think it's time for more light to be shed on this "charity".

Posted by: cavedog | July 26, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

leichtman:

I will be happy to answer your questions to me just as soon as you answer my previously-asked question to you.

Posted by: JakeD | July 26, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

incidentally jakeD how often do you think police reports leave out exculpatory evidence like say 1. The driver 2. His holding keys 3. His going to the back door opening it with his keys and turning off his alarm system.

Curious jakeD how many criminal cases you have tried before a jury?

Doesn't sound from your posts that you have much knowledge about the criminal justice system if you somehow mistake police reports for evidence, which it clearly is not.

Posted by: leichtman | July 25, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"According to the Globe, Gates had just arrived home by taxi on Thursday after traveling to China to film a PBS documentary. When he had trouble opening his front door he sought assistance from the taxi driver. "
"Gates walked around and let himself in through his back door. He and his driver, the other man on the porch continued to attempt to get the front door open, and finally succeeded. Within minutes, the police arrived."
Legally, there was nothing improper about Skip declining to step outside his home to talk to a police officer. Nothing at all. The officer claimed that Skip was yelling at him. There is nothing illegal about yelling in your own home. Nothing. Little wonder that the “charges” have been dismissed.
Professor Gates immediately called the Harvard Real Estate office to report the damage to his door and requested that it be repaired immediately
Professor Gates was driven to his home by a driver for a local car company.

"Professor Gates then entered his rear door with his key, turned off his alarm,"


"Professor Gates informed the officer that he lived there and was a faculty member at Harvard University. The officer then asked Professor Gates whether he could prove that he lived there and taught at Harvard. Professor Gates said that he could, and turned to walk into his kitchen, where he had left his wallet. The officer followed him. Professor Gates handed both his Harvard University identification and his valid Massachusetts driver’s license"


Furthermore, Skip Gates is notoriously small and frail — he typically walks with a cane or a crutch. Not exactly the intimidating figure the AP cuts him out to be.

Skip Gates pulled up in a hired car, was assisted with copious luggage by a driver, and any observer could probably note that he had a key which was jangling as he tried to open the door! The street is not that long or wide and I suspect that the observer could not have been that far away."

"Cambridge police say they responded to the well-maintained two-story home after a woman reported seeing “two black males with backpacks on the porch,” with one “wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry.”
"With the help of his driver they were able to force the front door open, and then the driver carried Professor Gates’ luggage into his home."

this is his side of the story. Why isn't anyone here bothering to mention: 1. He turned off his alarm. Curious how a burgrlar would do that and 2. How quickly Cambridge D.A. dropped the charges?

Posted by: leichtman | July 25, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

prudencerussell:

I'm sorry you think that everyone is itching for lynching -- just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you -- have you met "scrivener50"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

leichtman:

There's nothing in the police report about "suitcases" or "driver" -- why do you think that Crowley knew about that -- do you have ESP?

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Klimax:

My protest sign said: "APOLOGIZE TO CROWLEY". No one came out, screaming about my mama, so maybe he's not home.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

If Gates would have produced an ID this whole thing would be a moot point! I'm sure after an ID check the police would have apologised for the inconvenience and gone on to more pressing issues! If anyone is going to be accused of being a "RACEIST" it should be Gates with his "Black Man in America" attitude!!! Obama must apologise for his "stupid" remarks and I'm sure He wishes He would have said "no comment" when asked about the situation!!!

Posted by: Klimax | July 25, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This does not seem to be a clear case of racial profiling, but more of a case of an overly aggressive officer who should have seen an exhausted man with suitcases 'struggling to enter his own home',returning with his driver from a long trip, entering his own home and a p.o defendant who likely over reacted. It happens every day that a door sticks or a lock is stuck in people's homes. That should not turn them into common criminals.

Posted by: leichtman | July 25, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

your 1st amendment right to protest Gates is just as vital to a free society as his 1st amendment right to ask a police officer especially in his own home, the name and badge number of the officer. This does not seem to be a clear case of racial profiling, but more of a case of an overly aggressive officer who should have seen an exhausted man with suitcases struggling returning with his driver from a long trip, entering his own home and a p.o defendant who likely over reacted. Officers have to walk a fine line of protecting the public and their own safety and using common sense when it was obvious as in this case that no laws were being broken. Go ahead and have your fun protesting but understand that Mr. Gates could be you or your family wrongfully arrested on bogus charges. Unfortunately many poor defendants in similar situations have to post bond, spend a night in jail, be humiliated, miss a day's pay and then have to pay a lawyer to have their charges dismissed, which is truly unfortunate in these bad economic times, regardless of skin color. Its good for my business but lousy police work.

Posted by: leichtman | July 25, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

leichtman:

Thanks for the reading material. I was just protesting in front of Gates's house on the PUBLIC SIDEWALK. No permit was needed to protest, but I didn't have a permit to park. We should have come tomorrow.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

the only thing that is strange lees2002 are idiotic statements like your's whn you post dumb comments like this:"Disorderly conduct charges like this one are common and not at all strange."

I have defended and prosecuted hundreds of disorderly conduct charges and the handful of charges that have been misfiled like Gates' have always been quickly dismissed by conservative Republican criminal judges, so you absolutely do not know what you are talking about. By the way jerk, if there was such a strong charge as you ignorantly post, then why did the local D.A. drop the charges in less than 24 hours? Incidentally all the photos I have seen show him being handcuffed on his front porch and walked in handcuffs to the squad car. Last time I checked a porch is part of your home and legally not considered to be a public place. I sure wouldn't want you to have a law degree.

Posted by: leichtman | July 25, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

The reason why blacks always think they are being discrimnated against is a LACK of education.

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You think that's the case with a tenured professor at Harvard?

Damned gooper idiot

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 25, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

The reason why blacks always think they are being discrimnated against is a LACK of education.
It never crosses the minds of people like Gates that YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS BEGIN.
You don't have a right to follow people screaming at them nor a right to scream in a residential neighborhood at all.
Others have rights too.

Posted by: lees2002 | July 25, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Previous reports of Gates being arrested in his home are not accurate.
He followed the Sgt outside in front of other officers and a crowd of neighbors to scream at the top of his lungs and insult the officer.
This is disorderly conduct, you do NOT have to be off your own property to commit it, you just have to be causing a the PUBLIC grief.
For the same reason you can't blare music at all ours of the night from within your home.
Disorderly conduct charges like this one are common and not at all strange.
The only thing strange is Gates racist behaviour.

Posted by: lees2002 | July 25, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Hey jakeD are you aware or do you even care that the conduct you are protesting must be conducted in a PUBLIC PLACE to be prosecuted. The last time I checked the criminal code, your living room is NOT a public place, and the officer likely knew that he was making a nonprosecutable arrest.

You might bother to read what Mass criminal lawyers are saying before you start your stupid protest:

"In my decades of practice as a state prosecutor, I have never seen "disorderly conduct" charged for acts which did not originate and occur in a public setting. I cannot conceive of a case in which a prosecutor would pursue a charge of "disorderly conduct" occasioned by tone or speech in one's own home. Nor have I seen tone or content of speech as a basis for charging disorderly conduct even in a public place. At the risk of restating the obvious, "disorderly conduct" aims to penalize what it says: conduct. Disorderly conduct is something more than "disorderly speech." In my opinion, the criminal prohibition would be fatally and unconstitutionally overbroad were it to be deemed to apply to pure speech. What citizen then meaningfully would be on notice to what speech would be viewed as "disorderly" and risk criminal prosecution and penalties?

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court has stressed the public disruption element of "disorderly conduct" as ordinarily charged: the classic formulation of the offense and its enabling statute is found in its decision in Alegata v. Commonwealth, 353 Mass. 287, 303-304 (1967)(emphasis supplied), quoting from Model Penal Code § 250.2 (Proposed Official Draft 1962): "It is our opinion that "disorderly" sets forth an offence. . . designat[ing] behavior such as that singled out in Section 250.2 of the Model Penal Code (Proposed Official Draft): 'A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he: (a) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior; or (b) makes unreasonable noise or offensively coarse utterance, gesture or display, or addresses abusive language to any person present; or (c) creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor. `Public' means affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access.'. . . .[T]he statute. . . aims at activities which intentionally tend to disturb the public tranquility," and penalizes one who "with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, . . . creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor."

Posted by: leichtman | July 24, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

kimkimminni1, your remarks are disgusting and just plain stupid. It's beyond time to put that kind of blatant racism behind us. And what exactly do you propose to do to accomplish all this division based on "race, creed and religion and ethnic groups"? It won't work just to have African-Americans live in one half of the country and whites in the other, after all. There are hundreds of thousands of mixed-race people in this country -- which half are they supposed to live in? (You probably don't approve of intermarriage, though, do you?) Then you want to throw religion into the mix? So you'd have little enclaves of white Catholics and white Baptists and black Catholics and black Baptists, and they can't cross their borders? Where do Jews fit in? -- you probably don't like them either. Or Asians? Do Asian Christians have to be segregated from Asian Buddhists? Do black Mexican Jews (yes, they exist!) have to live apart from all other blacks or Mexicans or Jews?

Maybe you can find some little vanilla white, totally homogenous, island to live on somewhere. You're not going to find it in our country. And I don't think God would be thrilled with your attitude at all.

As for Gates and the police officer... There is no problem whatever with Crowley responding to the report of the possible break-in, though I highly doubt that the woman would have called it in if the two people pushing on the door had been white. But Crowley had an obligation to go check it out -- and I don't think he is a racist. BUT to pretend that an older African-American, who grew up under Jim Crow and had no easy road to get where he is now, is not going to react for being ordered out of his house and questioned about breaking into his own home, is unrealistic.

It would be nice if racism would go away. But until you have more generations of blacks and whites who grow up and work together, it's *not* going to go away. I think eventually we'll get there, though I won't be around to see it. There are just too many blacks who still face, on a daily basis, discriminatory actions by whites. Of course they're going to react.

Gates should have calmed down. Crowley should have let him calm down. Gates was being rude, and I'm not excusing that (though I understand it, even though I'm a white woman), but he wasn't armed, he wasn't threatening Crowley with harm, and once Crowley understood that Gates was in his own home, Crowley should have just left. I do not understand "disorderly conduct" in one's own house. He wasn't causing a public disturbance or inciting anyone else to misbehave or doing anything other than yell a lot. He did not need to be handcuffed and dragged off to jail. It was just unnecessary.

Obama's remarks at the White House press briefing today made perfect sense. He has spoken to both Crowley and Gates. Everybody should calm down now. Except that for all the rabid Limbaugh types, that isn't likely to happen.

Posted by: sally1860 | July 24, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

TO THOSE OF YOU WHO HATES FOX NEWS....WELCOME TO THE CROWD. I HAVE TUNED THIS CHANNEL OUT OF MY LIFE AND ANYTHING CONNECTED WITH THE EMPIRE OF MURDOCK...WSJ...NEW YORK TIMES....TIMES MAGAZINE.....ETC....THE WAY I SEE IT, THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL MENTALLY CHALLENGED...I CAN NOT FIND NO LOGIC AT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE. IF THERE IS ONLY A WAY TO VANISH THE ENTIRE EMPIRE....I WILL NOT HESITATE TO DO SO AT THE DROP OF A HAT. BUT...THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE ...SO...GUESS I JUST HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO AVOID ANYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO THIS EMPIRE BEFORE I GET A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 24, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

THAT JAMES CROWLEY NEED TO BE PUT IN HIS PLACE. MY DAUGHTER IS A GRADUATE OF BOSTON U AND WE ARE AT CAMBRIDGE MOST OF THE TIME...BOY! THIS IS TOO MUCH....I KNOW THAT MASSACHUSETTE IS A RACIST STATE AND THE SAFEST PLACE THERE IN IS BOSTON (not even maybe) WHEN WE ARE IN BOSTON, WE FEAR TO GO OUTSIDE OF BOSTON FOR FEAR THEY WILL LYNCH US. WHICH I'M SURE THEY WILL. NOW I HAVE PROOOF OF THAT ....JAMES CROWLEY...HE IS THE KIND THAT WILL HANG US ATOP A TREE.

Posted by: prudencerussell | July 24, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

All Foxnews reports are so negative that that channel makes me sick to watch everyday. They never report anything positive at all. Whitney Houston is making a great come back with a very inspirational CD called "I look to you" but that has not been reported on Fox.
All they talk about is Michael Jackson which is starting to get on my nerves and the president.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | July 24, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Chris this is the worst media! The Media is to blame for all of this NOT President Obama. I can not understand why the media and manly FOXNEWS keeps on reporting on this its over. FOXNEWS IS THE WORST BROADCAST CHANNEL I HAVE LOST MY RESPECT FOR THEM AND THERE BALANCED REPORTING.
The officer and Gates said they are over it.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | July 24, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Mr Gates should understand the police officers position. Considering his neighbor made the call about a burglary in process what was the officer suppose to think. And then a professor getting belligerent with a police officer? There aren't to many people that get away with that. I don't think colored people will ever stop playing the race card. Slavery was probably the best thing that ever happened to them. They more than likely gained 5 thousand years of progress in the process. Unfortunately their not yet intelligent enough to understand that. Nor do they care too. Segregation of race, creed and religion and ethnic groups is the only way to stop racism and its also the best idea. Thats the way God made us.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | July 24, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Overt racism is unlikely to have played any role in the actual arrest... though Professor Gates' perceptions may well have suggested otherwise. If police (who were expecting to confront a burglar, based on the report they were responding to) acted in the manner typical to such circumstances, they were very aggressive, and as threatening as they could be. This approach is calculated to minimize resistance, including especially violence, from a potentially dangerous suspect... its often effective (whether this approach is the BEST, or whether it sometimes leads to shootings that could have been avoided, is another debate; it IS an approach often recommended by police training, with the focus on officer safety).

The question is, what happened THEN? Presumably, Professor Gates was at some point permitted to provide identification to show that he was in his own home, but consider the circumstances from Gates' point of view... accosted and threatened at gunpoint in his own home, with threats likely conveyed and/or accompanied by insulting language and tone... by a white officer (whether or not this suggests racism to us reading it later, consider how it may be perceived by the homeowner facing the cop with a gun).

Anyone who has never BEEN threatened with a gun may have to use their imagination just a little to understand this, but trust me; its very probable that Gates was angry. Who wouldn't be? The officer should expect that, and deal with it so as to cool the situation down before it gets to the point where he is arresting the homeowner he's just threatened and insulted in error. Thats his JOB... and he, the officer, is in this man's home, not the other way around.

The error is understandable, and perhaps not even attributable to the police officer, but error it was, and the police officer was acting on it... the homeowner certainly didn't mistake HIMSELF for an intruder.

Its also possible that the officer is just a pigheaded, thin-skinned armed bully with a badge, who was offended when the homeowner he'd been threatening and pushing around (albeit, still, under the assumption that the man was a burglar) became angry and insulted him back.

Either way, President Obama was right. The arrest was unnecessary, and because it was unnecessary, it was stupid.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | July 24, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

We've gone from a president who for eight years never admitted to making a mistake to one who has yet to issue a geuine mea culpa.

In Obama's case it's either an underling's fault (DOMA) or you need an Oxford degree in linguistics to find the "apology" in Obama's statement.

"Calibrate my choice of words..."??? Ok, we know, your a braniac. Praise the Cambridge police and officer, great. Apology by implication??

How bout just saying you should have stayed out of it, or that you at least misspoke.

Posted by: lithium452 | July 24, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

there is no going back in all truth
the case must be filed

after all, come on now,
it was a misdemeanor.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 24, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Professor Gates was in his house.If a neighbor can call the police and have a professor arrested in his own house, then all citizens should be concerned. Yet, some citizens never experience that type of thing.
Some police officer think they must protect white citizens from black male criminals. They enter situations with the conclusion that the black suspect is guilty--especially when a white citizen said so. Other police officers are professional, and this type of case would
not develop.
There are police officers and ordinary citizens who believe that it is their duty to bring down successful African-Americans. Then, there are decent people who believe in equality.

Things are more complex that we think!

Posted by: lingua11492 | July 24, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Professor Gates was foaming at the mouth when questioned by cop. Neighbor said two people with a crow bar were trying to get into his house so cop asked for his license to prove Gates lived there and whether anyone else was in the house. Gates refused any cooperation at first so was handcuffed so cops could check house for the second burglar.
Obama meddling in case after he was fined over $500 by Cambridge while at Harvard Law School 1990-91 and finally paying fines in 2007 has made a big mistake. Obama is defending BLACK RAGE as justified. Where is Colin Powell as he seems to think Obama is transforming?

Posted by: mascmen7 | July 24, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Daily I'm becoming more disappointed with the MEDIA. They are so obsessed with headlines and scoups they don't bother to think about what effect they have on the general public or how it impacts us. Its all a game for them and we are left having to deal with whatever bitterness and controversy they leave behind.The Presidents remarks were right on point! Normally I would ask, how would you feel if a Police officer came into your home and ask you for ID but you're NOT BLACK and never had to deal with the many indignities associated with being a BLACK MALE nor have you ever been bothered with having been disrespected daily no matter what level of success you feel you've achieved in life. Nor would you ever ask yourself, if SGT Crowley had all this racial sensitivity and profile training why couldn't and didn't he prevent whatever situation he had encounter from escalating? Or once he ascertain that Professor or Dr. Gates was who he said he said he was did he need "back up"? Lastly,how do you manage to go on a burgular call on a so call home invasion and manage to arrest the homeowner for "disoderly conduct"? If his (SGT Crowley) actions were not stupid why would the prosecutor drop the charges? Why is the Cambridge Police Department defending themselves so vehemently and vociferously against the Mayor, Governor and President?

Posted by: mcgeenate | July 24, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Note to FOXNEWS: Please get over this dumb Story.. and this is coming from a white american.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | July 24, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Police are supposed to be trained to stay cool under pressure. It emerges that Gates may have been verbally abusive and therefore the officer was under pressure. He was obviously not in fear for his life or safety, only his ego and sense of authority were in jeopardy. It does not sound like this police officer is a racist, but I would like to know what was in the call that the neighbor made to the police department. The root of this is with the neighbor, who was worried about something that caused three officers to show up for what should have been a simple ID check.

Posted by: ViejitaDelOeste | July 24, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse


i am stating for the record that i have the police report and Professor Gates statement.

If Mr. Ogletree needs any help with this (after observation mode), I am raising my hand to volunteer free services.

((cough cough) did anyone see the cop news conference this morning?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 24, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Black Hypocrisy: Those who are at the top of the Blacks in America group certainly are self focused and hypocritical. If American Blacks are a different social or ethnic group who feel that they are badly treated while at the same time their group has the largest per capita crime rate then they are their own problem.

So, either stop complaining or take on that which belongs to you and fix your problem. Put every member of your group under enormous pressure to first stop your group’s growth in crimes and then reverse your group’s cultural failure by first forcing your people to have higher personal responsibility whereby they can reduce their crimes and second, because you have the same learning ability as every other group in the USA, raise your standards for proper education which could over a generation or two take your people to the top of the lists when it comes to income and public acceptance. You as a group are responsible for the actions of your members so stop passing the blame onto someone else!

Oh, considering what we have seen this week you might want to start at the top of your current list of so-called well educated Blacks and force them to learn that they are as much a part of your problem as those who are in the lower ranks both socially and economically. If being black makes you different, then you must all become part of the repairs to your failures as a group otherwise those at the top of your social order will also be proven to be hypocrites.

Posted by: dgage19558 | July 24, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

To JakeD, et al. I guess no matter what problems our country faces, partisanship must of necessity rear its ugly head. It would really be nice if people would just cut out the nasty remarks for just a little while and realize that ALL speech is protected by the 1st Amendment, not just your immature rantings and hate speech. You are actually allowed by the 1st Amendment to say decent, unhateful (is there such a word?) things. Give it a try. It might help your digestive system! You know, you might not be so filled with noxious gases!

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You must be new here.

JakeD is incapable of learning and no matter how many times his lies are exposed, rebutted, and refuted, he comes right back with the exact same lies over and over and over. He has no shame, he has no honesty, and disrupting conversation here to bring attention to himself is his entire empty life.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Let us all have cool heads here. Those of us who was not present, are speaking just as OBAMA spoke. But if we listen to the 911 call itself, we may have a better idea as to the mind set of the officer when he arrived, based upon what information he had been given. Now about the professor getting mouthy, he may have, because of his elevated status, he thought he is special(now he knows, he is not).

Posted by: chepasltr | July 24, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

What does it take to be a Cop? 50 years ago they had an AFQT (Armed Forces Qualification Test) that was half IQ test to get into the Armed Forces. The President was being kind. This type of result happens so often that the only reason it is worth the ink is because Gates was a friend of the President.

Posted by: llnstoner | July 24, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama lost middle America, security moms, soccer moms, white union members, etc. with his ignorant "stupidly" statement. As a supposed constitutional scholar, he passed judgment on a pending matter without having all the information. His bias and stupidity knows no bounds.

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He knew that the charges had been dropped, right? Even for to non-constitutional scholar, that's a pretty good clue that someone on the Law Enforcement side of the encounter screwed up, or yes, "Acted Stupidly".

Posted by: mason08 | July 24, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I am really getting SICK OF THIS STORY CHRIS! The President miss spoke and i am sure people and read too much into it, the media NEEDS TO STOP MAKING IT MORE THAN IT IS PEROID!

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | July 24, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

A struggle between two arrogant forces indeed.
When Crowley entered in he needed to think about what a 58 yr. old black man (already in a bad mood)experienced in his life in respect to the law, before he made a move.
A badge gives you the right to use your BEST judgment.
When Gates entered in he needed to think about what a police officer's initial intentions really may be, and not judge someone you don't even know.

The real problem here,..testosterone.

Posted by: byebyebirdie | July 24, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Why don't we all wait a few days for all the facts to be presented...you know, like someone's phone pics of the whole episode(it always comes to pass).
Frankly, since Obama has been elected President, the gilding has come off much of whatever inter-racial progress had taken place in the glow of his victory.

Posted by: roanns | July 24, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Obama lost middle America, security moms, soccer moms, white union members, etc. with his ignorant "stupidly" statement. As a supposed constitutional scholar, he passed judgment on a pending matter without having all the information. His bias and stupidity knows no bounds.

Chris is clueless if he thinks this is over. He can blame republicans for Obama being a total liberal radical, anti-police, anti-due process politician, but the rest of the country gets it.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | July 24, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

To JakeD, et al. I guess no matter what problems our country faces, partisanship must of necessity rear its ugly head. It would really be nice if people would just cut out the nasty remarks for just a little while and realize that ALL speech is protected by the 1st Amendment, not just your immature rantings and hate speech. You are actually allowed by the 1st Amendment to say decent, unhateful (is there such a word?) things. Give it a try. It might help your digestive system! You know, you might not be so filled with noxious gases!

Posted by: GrannyAnnie | July 24, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"Harvard Gate!!"

Posted by: dandeblock | July 24, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Just a hunch, but I think Gates probably got dollar signs in his eyes the second he saw that cop at his front door. The only credible explanation for insulting a policeman's mother to his face is that you are trying to get arrested and nothing else seems to be working.

Wonder what will make the most money: the book, the speaking fees, or the lawsuit?

Posted by: eduardo2 | July 24, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Harvard Prof. or not, Gates is the proverbial angry black man and by supporting him O'Bama has become his co-dependent or his pimp.

Posted by: ravitchn | July 24, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The coverage of the incident so far suggests that mistakes were made by both parties. I can understand why Sgt. Crowley is not going to apologize, beyond saying he regrets how things turned out; I can also understand why Prof. Gates is up in arms and furious.

It is not "racial profiling" (an *extremely* charged couple of words) to investigate a 911 report of two men forcing their way into a home. When the officer asked Prof. Gates for ID, to prove that he did indeed live at that address, it would have been wiser for the professor to provide said ID rather than refuse.

It also would have been wiser for the officer to let Prof. Gates vent, rather than arrest him for disturbing the peace.

While I can understand and appreciate Prof. Gates' anger over the incident, I have no time or patience for Al Sharpton and his cadre of professional agitators and victim-backers.

Sharpton has a history of jumping in before knowing the facts (Tawanna Brawley, anyone? if you don't know the name, Google her) and making bad situations worse. If we're lucky, Al will contract laryngitis for the next month or so.

Posted by: dbitt | July 24, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The Fix really should stay away from this subject and just go back talking about the GOP's chances in 2010. Considering that he's known Chip "Barack the Magic Negro CD" Saltzman for a long time and said on Jan07/09 in the Fix that Chip is the furthest thing from a racist, there really is no credibility to anything Cillizza has to say about racism. Stay with what you really know about Chris, cause apparently you wouldn't know racisim if it slapped you in the face, which is what millions of Americans felt when your Chip launched his CD.

Posted by: katem1 | July 24, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

"Even after reading Officer James Crowley side of the story, I strongly feel that he made a big mistake in arresting Professor Gates.

Posted by: kmishra | July 24, 2009 8:11 AM"

Even if the arrest was mistake, Gates himself shoulders plenty of blame. Had he been white, the story would have been "academic gets arrest for getting belligerent with police." Because Gates is black, he is presumed to be a victim. Obama made a mistake by simply endorsing Gates's version of events, I was glad to see him step back from it.

Posted by: RealChoices | July 24, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

We just got into Logan Airport ourselves. It is raining hard.

Posted by: JakeD | July 24, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

So you're saying that the policeman is more likely to fabricate (lie) than Gates' lawyer, who wasn't there and is paid to stretch the truth. That is how OJ got away with murder. Face it, you side with Gates because of his race, just like the Black commissioner of police, the Black Governor of MA, and the Black President of the USA. Look at that list.

Hey, why aren't these stories on the national news? You know they would be covered extensively for months if the races were reversed.

http://www.ohio.com/news/dyer/50698407.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vZqCralkYk&feature=related

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BabeNemo wrote:

"Although Gates's lawyer has said Gates showed the officer both his driver's license and Harvard identification, Crowley told the radio station he was shown only the university ID, which did not list Gates's address"

it is called fabrication after the fact.
coppers are great at it.

Posted by: atom2 | July 24, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Even after reading Officer James Crowley side of the story, I strongly feel that he made a big mistake in arresting Professor Gates.
He was an instructor on "Racial Profiling” that makes his this action/decision even worst. If an expert/teacher on "Racial Profiling" will do this kind of mistake then what should we expect from an ordinary officer?
I definitely will not like to be treated by a cop/officer the way James Crowley says he treated Professor Gates.
Even if Professor Gates did not show his driver's license and showed him only his Harvard Professor ID, as Officer Crowley admit he did, Officer Crowley should have given second thought on rest of the steps he took with Professor Gates, including his arrest.
Apologizing will make Officer Crowley a better person. He made a big mistake.

Posted by: kmishra | July 24, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

thrh, Thanks for your useful post regarding Lucia Whalen. From the beginning of this brouhaha I wondered what kind of neighbor didn't "recognize" their own enough to call the cops on them, even by sight. Very interested in the 911 call. If racism is involved, I suspect it's this woman who displayed it, not necessarily the cop.

Posted by: Pupster | July 24, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I disagree that the long term impact of this is going to be minimal. The president wading into a significant issue without intending to. There are two sub-issues about race here. The first is racial profiling. This act does occur in the United States whether it was a factor in this case or not. The other is the race card, there is nothing that stokes racial resentment in white people faster than a minority claiming racism when they were just being treated like everyone else.

This issue by virtue of the President getting invloved has the potenial to either fix a big problem or severely worsen racial relations in this country. Either way it has also has the potentail to define the boundries of his presidency.

Posted by: akmzrazor | July 24, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Really interesting to read the irrationality of the people who dislike Obama, like JakeD and Carlos Hawes. It's hard not to suspect some strain of racism when their virulence is not supported by real facts but ridiculous fake reasons like those presented in Carlos Hawes's report card. Really? Are those things listed really to be blamed on Obama? Most rational people don't think so, at least only 6 months in trying to fix the mess made on Bush's watch.

It's sad that these comments sections immediately attract the most wingnutty of the partisans. Most independents and mainstream voters (which sanely make up the majority of the people) are willing to give Obama sufficient time and patience to make things better. So far, with Lilly Ledbetter, the stimulus and the Dow above 9000 again, he's making a decent start.

Posted by: Pupster | July 24, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

"I dont know all the facts" ,,, but i'm going to open my mouth anyway.

Obama was the one who acted stupidly.

no one is talking health care reform, the votes been delayed til the end of sept at the earliest,

Obama just dumped health care reform.

Stupid!

Posted by: newagent99 | July 24, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Any policeman who does NOT racially profile ought to be fired. Why? BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES AT 20 TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE PEOPLE, and a policeman has the duty to go where the crime is.
And besides, anyone who works for Harvard ought to be arrested on those grounds alone.
Sure wish I'd been one of those policemen.

Posted by: LeePefley1 | July 24, 2009 5:48 AM | Report abuse

Read the police report: even if you believe it's totally factual, it raises one question: this is the person who the Cambridge police have teaching on racial profiling?

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

"

thrh:
it's deeper.
crowley states in his report (i'm still on the first paragrah):

"these actions on behalf of Gates served no legitimate purpose and caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed".

so what officer. and this statement alone serves to prove to me that you are using personal judgment.

no crime had been committed.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo |"

Yeah; what "surprised and alarmed" the passersby [there aren't many, on Ware Street] was not Gates's behavior, but the array of Cambridge and Harvard police all over the street and the lawn.

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 2:06 AM | Report abuse

It's a free country, with free speech, so Sgt. Crowley has the God-given right to produce his own PBS special about his view of the incident....

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 2:04 AM | Report abuse

thrh:
it's deeper.
crowley states in his report (i'm still on the first paragrah):

"these actions on behalf of Gates served no legitimate purpose and caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed".

so what officer. and this statement alone serves to prove to me that you are using personal judgment.

no crime had been committed.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 24, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Reminds me of the old Clancy Brothers song about "Moses Ritooriliay," the Jewish peddler who is arrested by the British cop who thinks his Hebrew sign is Gaelic.

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 1:50 AM | Report abuse

thr:
yeah, she could have used her brains.

She worked with Harvard Magazine.
Professor Gates is a Harvard professor.
HELLO!

she was on the sidewalk watching.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 24, 2009 1:45 AM | Report abuse

"

chris:
i am lovin' every minute of this issue for the spotlight on "cop behavior".....

Posted by: TheBabeNemo "

It has certainly put the issue front and center, however minor a controversy it really is, at bottom. We can thank Prof. Gates for that, in part, but even moreso we can thank the thoughtless bozo of a police officer who thought he was "just doing his job." Maybe now he understands how complex his job really is!

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 1:34 AM | Report abuse

the other office, figueroa, wrote a report too.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 24, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

I suspect the real loser in this contretemps is the poor fool, Lucia Whalen, who called in the 911 call to the Cambridge police. I don't mind posting her name, since the Harvard Crimson, which broke the story, had several posters who knew her say it was her within hours of the story breaking.

She is, or perhaps by now was, Circulation and Fundraising Manager for Harvard Magazine, the alumni publication of the University. Her audience for fundraising and building circulation is, exclusively, Harvard alumni. Many of whom are acquainted with Professor Gates, and most of the rest of whom admire and respect him [thanks, in part, to the admiring articles about him in Harvard Magazine].

If you're working in what is essentially a Public Relations position, you'd better watch the public relations. She's named in the police report, which even states that she was standing in Professor Gates's front yard, cellphone in hand, when the cops arrived. It's what Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., used to describe as "too dumb to live."

I have already emailed Harvard Magazine about this, and I ask other alumni to do the same.

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

chris:
i am lovin' every minute of this issue for the spotlight on "cop behavior".....

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 24, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Being jaked is probably something of a punishment in and of itself.

Posted by: nodebris | July 24, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

thrh: I was being sarcastic. JakeD deserves to have a piano fall from a window on his head for the crap he posts here. I hope living in a Democratic America hurts him like a hot poker. Stupid lousy nasty god damn troll posting the same idiot crap every god damn day here.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 24, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

"

@plathman: go easy on the poor dumb brute, his whole world has collapsed around his ears. Barely over two years ago he was on top of the world, a president and both houses of Congress made of the same stupid nasty troglodytes that he swears fealty to.

Now not only is the President a Democrat, and a liberal with solid credentials (who has actually spent years of his life HELPING PEOPLE, how could this happen!) .. and he's a MINORITY.

JakeD probably wakes up every morning with his heart pounding and has to guzzle down a few shots just to get out of bed. He's in a world of hurt.

Posted by: chrisfox8"

You mean I can't kick JakeD while he's down? Where's the fun in that? And would he obey the same rule?

Sympathy is wasted on the pathetic.

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

"nodebris... you did not finish my statement... we are indeed from cook county
and we know what it means when a cop wants you to step outside."

Hey, TBN. Yeah, I understand & relate to that part.

I was going off topic, off on a tangent. In Cillizza's last article you said some stuff about Virginia that I thought was odd for a Washington Post reader, but being from Cook County IL explains your lack of familiarity with my state. Totally unrelated to the Gates issue.

Posted by: nodebris | July 24, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

I really need to wonder why this is news. Gates didn't get shot. A guy sasses off to the cops and does a few hours in jail. It's wrong, it's abuse, but on the scale of other things going on it isn't shee-it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 24, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

'Don't mess with a "surprised and confused" cop.'

I'm white, and experience has taught me that messing with cops is a no-win situation.

"That kind of bluster and defensiveness doesn't speak well of his profession."

I don't know. It must be mortifying to be accused of racism if you don't think you were exhibiting it. I think it would get a lot of people defensive. And isn't that what Gates did, get all defensive to a perceived accusation? I think this is well withing the bounds of normal human nature.

I've got a lot of sympathy for both players here based on what I've heard so far. I've been in a lot of multi-cultural situations where land mines are all over the place and only mutual sensitivity and good will gets everyone through on reasonable terms. It's easy to make a mistake.

Sounds like Gates let loose on the officer, which is never a good idea for anyone of any economic or racial profile. Not smart. Bottom line though, you've got a distinguished Harvard professor getting arrested for being in his own home, which just doesn't look good. It's a mistake on one level or another, and Crowley's boss ought to counsel him to cool out and let it roll over.

Posted by: nodebris | July 24, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

crowley states in the first paragraph on the report

loud and tumulous behavior in a public place....
Professor's Gates' private property is not a public place.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 24, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

@plathman: go easy on the poor dumb brute, his whole world has collapsed around his ears. Barely over two years ago he was on top of the world, a president and both houses of Congress made of the same stupid nasty troglodytes that he swears fealty to.

Now not only is the President a Democrat, and a liberal with solid credentials (who has actually spent years of his life HELPING PEOPLE, how could this happen!) .. and he's a MINORITY.

JakeD probably wakes up every morning with his heart pounding and has to guzzle down a few shots just to get out of bed. He's in a world of hurt.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 24, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

"

Well, currently I am setting aside money for my health insurance and retirement AND paying for old geezers too. But of course I have the promise that the same will be done for me in 30+ years...yeah, right...

Posted by: SF271"

Speaking as a geezer, you're on your own, kid. Did you really put your 401(k) into the stock market? Whose fault was that?

And what does this have to do with the discussion thread, apart from you parading your self-importance?

We really feel sorry for you. Making a fool of yourself in public, and all.

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

so, in other words, i stand by my statement: well played, barack.

Posted by: plathman | July 24, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

nodebris...
you did not finish my statement...

we are indeed from cook county
and we know what it means when a cop wants you to step outside.

i just read the police report.
It is one of the most laughable reports I have read in a long time.
I can decipher it for ya if you want.....
((muuuhhaaaahhaaa)

I hope the Professor goes all the way. His lawyer Ogletree is in "observation mode" while applauding the efforts of Cambridge PD to "get a panel together".

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 24, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

jakeD:

i did read that they wouldn't vote on health care before the recess, but that's exactly my point. look at the front page of the drudge report, for example. i never read this, but i looked at it to see if i was wrong about the fact that gates-gate was overshadowing the "waterloo" meme about not voting on health care before august. it turns out that the headline isn't "reid says go home; health care reform fails; obama in trouble." instead, it's this thing about race which will eventually play itself out, but by that time, obama has won himself some time to get the deals ironed out for health care reform.

if it weren't for gates-gate, a no-vote before the august recess would've been spun by the right wing blogosphere as "the biggest failure of obama's presidency which will mark the next three and a half years", and it would have been parsed incessantly by cable news. now, the gates thing is a "distraction" for them. now, it's not such a big deal that health care won't be voted on before august. no one cares.

Posted by: plathman | July 24, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

The police report also states that the woman who made the 911 call, Lucia Whalen, met him in front of Gates's house, holding her cell phone. Probably the biggest thing that ever happened in Lucia's life, the day she got herself fired.

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Quoting the police report:

"While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused by the behavior he exhibited toward me."

That's BEFORE he asked for, and got, the identification.

Don't mess with a "surprised and confused" cop.

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Gates sounds like a bit of a hysteric, but hey a flight from China is a long one and he was probably seriously 'lagged. Sometimes when I get back from Asia I can't tell the time I'm so frazzled.

But the cop is definitely a hard case and had no long flight to mitigate judgment of his behavior. He's no professional, not if he goes on talk shows and pounds his chest about never apologizing. That kind of bluster and defensiveness doesn't speak well of his profession.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 24, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

"this crowley is a piece of work. anderson cooper just flashed a picture of him . . . i might be a racist but that man looks like "

Well, yeah, judging someone by his picture is what people often describe as racist, assuming he doesn't have a swastika tattooed on his forehead. Careful with that line of thought, my friend.

Posted by: nodebris | July 24, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Ah, the tortured windings of race relations in America.

Truth be told, there's plenty of room for both Gates and Crowley to be right and wrong here. I'm sure they are both very decent people. But one of the biggest problems with the legacy of race relations in America is that a white stranger and a black stranger are never just two people talking to each other. Especially when one of them is a police officer and the other is standing in his own home.

It's a tricky thing for people of good will to manage. Political posturing doesn't make it any easier, that's certain.

Posted by: nodebris | July 24, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

"and the limo driver didn't pass the coppers going out.

the coppers knew the neighborhood but didn't see a limo pull out anywhere close to the vicinity...hecky, didn't even pass one, correct?

how much time we talkin' about between these sequences of events.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 11:08 PM"

Ware street is a one-block, one-way street between Broadway and Harvard streets, on the eastern edge of the Harvard campus. So the cops and limo driver, if both were obeying the law, would never have passed one another.

Posted by: thrh | July 24, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

OT to TheBabeNemo.

the President, Rahm-a-tolla, and myself are from Cook County, Illinois."

Ah, that would explain your curious notions about Virginia. I had to leave you a comment on Chris' last post, check it out if you get a second.

Posted by: nodebris | July 24, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse


mason08---
and.....did crowley say "Professor, I need an ID that shows your street address?"

there's alot of information that has already been "put out there".....
i hope the issue stays on the radar.

Commissioner Haas says:....that he would form a panel of experts to look into the incident and see whether some lessons could be learned from it. He said it was an opportunity to reexamine policies and procedures and he was confident some good would come out of the situation.

yeah right

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 24, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Well, currently I am setting aside money for my health insurance and retirement AND paying for old geezers too. But of course I have the promise that the same will be done for me in 30+ years...yeah, right...

Posted by: SF271 | July 23, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

once Gates showed his ID, the officer should have considered the issue resolved.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Babe-

The problem with the "university ID only" story the officer is telling is the answer to these two questions:

1) Where do most university men keep their university ID?
2) Where do most men keep their drivers license?


Most wallets have more than one pocket for cards.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmmm....why am I paying twice??? Insanity!

==

You need the differences between your 401(k) and Social Security explained to you?

I hope you're entirely in a lifecycle-type fund.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

of course.,..the passport...
Crowley told the radio station he was shown only the university ID, which did not list Gates's address.
If this is confirmed-that it was only the university ID. (go figure that the man was probably tired as all get out)
Indeed, university ID would not have the address (in practice but maybe harvard is different)
theoretically, what took place next would be crucial.

this crowley is a piece of work.
anderson cooper just flashed a picture of him.....i had not seen him.
along with his "interview" i am reading now.......

i might be a racist but that man looks like he would take EVERY opportunity to prove himself at EVERY turn of the road...
with a uniform, a badge, and a gun.

still scary to me...

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Obama's comment about this incident could be a HUGE distraction and foil his health care plan. Maybe not but if I were the Republicans that is what I would try to do. Funny, I noticed today that about $120 is deducted from my pay check each month for Medicare and that is the same amount for my own health insurance. The same goes for Social Security and my 401k!! Mmmmmm....why am I paying twice??? Insanity!

Posted by: SF271 | July 23, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't usually side with the cops, but the police report is totally credible, and Gates' tale is not at all so.

===

You find it totally credible that someone who has just flown in from China and tipped a driver (thus, his wallet is near at hand) chooses to show the least authoritative form of ID he has. Furthermore, in doing so, he bypasses a MA drivers license that proves residence, is likely in the same wallet as the University ID and also bypasses a US passport?

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

we do have stupid cops.

it's not racist at all.

it's IQ levels.
GPAs in college and all those wonderful training classes at the academy.

do they have pass an IQ test?
i would like to know that.....may have to look this one up.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

just dissecting...

and i found it...Crowley states:
"The second warning was with me holding a set of handcuffs in my hands -- something I really didn't want to do," Crowley said in a radio interview. "The professor at any time could have resolved the issue by quieting down and/or going back inside his house."

But officer, didn't you ask Professor Gates to step outside?

and this "i really didn't want to do it" is gagging me.
did you catch the part about the coppers "really shocked about the ""mama talk""
but he's a profiler.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

This was the first overtly racist statement I've ever heard from Obama, and I was disgusted by it.

I don't usually side with the cops, but the police report is totally credible, and Gates' tale is not at all so.

Posted by: Itzajob | July 23, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Babe-

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're sounding kinda dense worrying about the timeline like this. There's no mention of what the cabbie/limo driver has to say because he wasn't there. He had done his job and left, like drivers do. It's a short one way street, so he easily could have been around the corner and gone within 30 seconds of starting his car up.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

mason08--
do you have the timeline from 911 call to arrival of coppers?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Occam's razor is fine when you need it. But according to the press reports, the "cabbie" [a limo driver who Gates regularly used for transport to Logan Airport] left after they got the front door open and the bags inside, before the police arrived.

==

Thus proving Occam right again, since I didn't know that and was only inferring that that was what had happened.

Sounds like Cambridge PD need to work on their response time.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

not going for it atom--

"Although Gates's lawyer has said Gates showed the officer both his driver's license and Harvard identification, Crowley told the radio station he was shown only the university ID, which did not list Gates's address"

it is called fabrication after the fact.
coppers are great at it.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

thanks thrh

how enlightening...the neighbor worked down the street...
so of course, when she called 911

she had all her facts straight..
hmmm
could she see that porch?

and the limo driver didn't pass the coppers going out.

the coppers knew the neighborhood but didn't see a limo pull out anywhere close to the vicinity...hecky, didn't even pass one, correct?

how much time we talkin' about between these sequences of events.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

What if you gave the cop you're University ID, which didn't prove that it was your land? What if you gave the Black cop your library card, and kept shouting "This Black cop is coming on to me!!" "This Black cop is coming on to me!!" "This Black cop wants to rape me!!" "This Black cop is coming on to me!!" "This Black cop wants to rape me!!"

-----------------------

"it could have been me --a white chick, with my brother boyfriend
and they would have thought we were meth or crack addicts.

and if i would have turned to that officer and said Officer, here is my drivers license. It proves I live here, now get off my land.
What would the cop do because I "tainted the last of my sentence" with
get off my land.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo"

Posted by: atom2 | July 23, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and the "neighbor" wasn't a neighbor at all; she worked down the street at the offices of Harvard Magazine, the official alumni publication of the University, where she [soon to be formerly] held the position of Circulation and Fundraising Manager.

Harvard Magazine frequently publishes articles about Professor Gates, many of them with pictures of him.

Posted by: thrh | July 23, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"

Occam's Razor babe-

Given:
We know that gates was driven by a cabbie.
The cabbie was assisting Gates in getting into his home.
We haven't heard that the cabbie was arrested.
The cabbie hasn't made a statement.

The cabbie either wasn't there when the cops showed up.

-OR-

The cabbie was there, but didn't pitch a fit, and therefore wasn't arrested. He has since maintained his silence, either to look out of his own interests, or to look out for the interests of the man who he liked well enough to help break into his home


The first option is simpler, but YMMV.

Posted by: mason08 |"

Occam's razor is fine when you need it. But according to the press reports, the "cabbie" [a limo driver who Gates regularly used for transport to Logan Airport] left after they got the front door open and the bags inside, before the police arrived.

Posted by: thrh | July 23, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Ring Ring Ring ...

Obama: Hello
Gates: Brother, you've got to help me put a White cop in his place.
Obama: Consider it done, Skip. It will drown out my message on Health Care, but priorities are priorities. I'm going to call that White cop a stupid racist on National TV

Posted by: atom2 | July 23, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

this is not so much race.
i see this as a total law enforcement issue and the behavior of the beat cop in the patrol car.

it could have been me --a white chick, with my brother boyfriend
and they would have thought we were meth or crack addicts.

and if i would have turned to that officer and said Officer, here is my drivers license. It proves I live here, now get off my land.
What would the cop do because I "tainted the last of my sentence" with
get off my land.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Obama because he is brilliant and gave (past tense) me hope but I think he is wrong on this one. I'm getting a bit tired of race being dragged into every situation like it is the root cause of EVERY problem. Face it...life is difficult and you can't continue to blame EVERYTHING on racism. My feelings for Obama changed after his comments. The cop was there alone trying to make sure no one was breaking into the Professor's house and the Professor turns around and verbally abuses the cop. How was the cop supposed to know who he was and who cares if the neighbor said there were two black men on the porch because that is just a description. The Professor is the one who should apologize; this cop probably makes $50k a year and doesn't deserve to be treated like this. The Professor (PhD: piled higher and deeper) sounds like an arrogant ass.

Posted by: SF271 | July 23, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse


okay...
the lady who called it in...
had to be the neighbor...correct?

when the neighbor knows the coppers are "on-site"-----(perhaps it is safe, perhaps it is not)
does curiousity kill the cat and the neighbor sees?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"it doesn't make sense to arrest a guy in his own home if he's not causing a serious disturbance"

I would like to know if the Professor let the officer into his house.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Occam's Razor babe-

Given:
We know that gates was driven by a cabbie.
The cabbie was assisting Gates in getting into his home.
We haven't heard that the cabbie was arrested.
The cabbie hasn't made a statement.

The cabbie either wasn't there when the cops showed up.

-OR-

The cabbie was there, but didn't pitch a fit, and therefore wasn't arrested. He has since maintained his silence, either to look out of his own interests, or to look out for the interests of the man who he liked well enough to help break into his home


The first option is simpler, but YMMV.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

i would like to hear or see the text of the 911 call.
hell, let's start from the beginning

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

ah yes, the mysterious audio button that was left on......

hmmm....undisclosed secure location.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Walter Cronkite dies...

And we are stuck with the likes of Chris Cillizza....

NOT GOOD NOT GOOD

Posted by: danders5000 | July 23, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

but we are talking possible nanoseconds of actions so the question comes up

how much time elapsed from cabbie drop off to coppers showin' up?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know anything actually factual about the existence of tapes?
==

Same place as Obama's Kenyan birth certificate and the "Whitey" tape.

Remember that one?

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

mason08--
maybe not...maybe the cabbie hung around.

===

I suppose, but once the door is open, why would the cabbie hang around? He gets paid to drive people. He was probably helping the professor with his bags when they found the door jammed. After the door was unjammed, the cabbie had successfully discharged his duties, and he probably got a good tip. At that point, there's no incentive for him to stick around.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"

Obama is a dillweed. Gates is a racist. The cop is not a racist (he teaches anti-racial prodiling to other police officers and gave mouth to mouth resucitation to try to save Reggie lewis years ago) and was doing his job. Wait until the tapes are released (there are audio tapes of the incident).

Posted by: DaMan2"

Anybody know anything actually factual about the existence of tapes?

Posted by: thrh | July 23, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"

I think everyone here reflexively defending Obama and Gates should listen to the audio tapes of the incident when they are released -- quite revealing. Gates is a world-class pompous ass. He was shrieking like a a girl who lost her Barbie. It's only because the Harvard establishment uses their political connections to drop the charges that the liberals can claim vindication. But the tapes don't lie!

Of course, maybe Obama could quash the release of the tapes for national security reasons? Anyone feel like a little FOIA request?

Posted by: diesel_skins_"

Tapes? What tapes? Have you heard them? Otherwise, how do you know? Do they even exist, or are you just making this all up, as usual, weaselskin?

Posted by: thrh | July 23, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

thrh:
i don't know about you but that Harvard appointment sure does carry alot of weight with me.

and forget about all his work.

Doesn't matter, we have human dignity walking around in blue dresses....
(((slap))))
wait, that's blue uniforms

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I just posted this and it disappeared, but the fact that this guy is talking smack to the PRESIDENT says everything.

Posted by: davis_renee | July 23, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

mason08--
maybe not...maybe the cabbie hung around.

margaret...don't worry. healthcare reform bill isn't going away quietly.
in fact, they can all read the bill now.
((hearty laughs)
///////////////////
But the Cambridge police DID act "stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home."

oh...this one is so great:
..."Crowley, 42, said he has no reason to apologize to Gates, one of the nation's foremost scholars of race and culture in America. "It won't come from me as Jim Crowley. It won't come from me as a sergeant in the police department," Crowley said. "I know what I did was right. I have nothing to apologize for."

***gee officer, i don't even know you but can tell by your quote that you could be an adamant and arrogant kind of guy.

just my opinion however.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

A silly "flap" that just enforces two well-known truisms:

1. Republicans will do anything to stall, derail or otherwise squelch progress that helps Americans.

2. The media will do anything to generate controversy and thereby viewership.

Fortunately America will survive, and thrive, despite the best efforts of both of these unpatriotic institutions.

Posted by: B2O2 | July 23, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"

Henry Gates, Jr. is not a scholar -- in anyone's estimation.

Gates should have been arrested and given a 1 to 2 year prison term --- with absolutely zero - zip and zilch chance of parole.


Posted by: hclark1 "

Well, hclark, most of the literate people in the world disagree with you about Gates being a scholar. But how would you possibly know that? They don't have books down in the hollers where you live.

Posted by: thrh | July 23, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, same old problem. If Gates was the star of a local sports team, the Officer would have saved his life. But Gates is an elderly University Professor and won't be scoring any points for the local sports team this weekend. So a group of officers, with guns, radios, and police cars, handcuff the old man on his own front porch and drag him off to jail. The police look both stupid and cowardly!"

Would that it were so, that being the star of a local sports team would prevent this happening. A few years ago Boston Celtics star Dee Brown was arrested on suspicion of something or other in downtown Wellesley, Massachusetts, another prosperous Boston suburb. Basically, he was arrested for being black in Wellesley.

Posted by: thrh | July 23, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

jggmc: you are kidding, correct?


yeah, where the heck is the cabbie?

===

Long gone. Think about it. Cabbie and Gates show up. Find the door jammed. They set about opening it, eventually getting it opened. Unbeknownst to them, it's been called in as a burglary in progress. The cabbie gets his fare, gets in the cab, and drives away. The police arrive. Drama ensues.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

scrivener:
do you know what it is like to be tortured by local law enforcement in the USA?

it is done.

do you know what it WAS like in the old days of 50s, 60s, 70s....whereby if you were stopped on a traffic violation in
Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Kentucky....no matter what color...
you disappeared.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I watched the press conference last night, and when it ended with the Gates quetsion I said to myself the opposition won't talk health care reform tomorrow, they'll just talk about that ONE sentence for the next three weeks... and here we are today, talking about the one sentence. We had to go through the same BS with Sotomayor. Dozens of interesting legal topics to ask about, lots of past decisions that could have been parsed, important prospects to anticipate and the opposition spent weeks doing nothing but gas on about a sentence they decided to get all indignant about.

The Republicans have got nothing. They did nothing, they propose nothing and they continue to derail every process they can by sending a willing press into the ditch whenever possible. Rather than think out a difficult problem with a solution that cannot be given in two pat sentences, we the public allow ourselves to be lead into the dirt on the side of the road by a bunch of self-serving, negative loud mouths.

We all need to use our discourse and our energy on better material than this.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 23, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

purlgurl:
..."so very few are simply dealing with reality'...

in what way is that?

....."Henry Gates is a jerk. Rather clear Gates is a racist"
**of course, you would know.
..." Gates refuses to accept those police officers were performing their duties as we instruct them to do"
***that's the problem..the training classes and instructions that are given to police academy attendees.

..."A lot of police are killed in the line of duty when they fall for a ruse."
***alot of people are being killed (more than before and climbing) by over zealous coppers emptying their guns.

..."Our police can never be too safe, nor too skeptical..."
**oh yes they can.

....."Why is this Gates "feelings" are more important than safety of our police?"
***his feelings are not. his RIGHTS are.

..."Obama has no business sticking his arrogant nose into this..."
***the President can say anything he wants.

...."Obama sided with Gates while knowing nothing about truth..."
***as you know nothing about the truth, how can you say President Obama "sided" with anything or anyone. Even with the interjection of STUPIDITY.

...."Obama simply leaped to a racist conclusion this is racism on the part of white cops"
***Our President did nothing of the sort. How old are you?

...."Gates and Obama, together, have cause serious harm to our law enforcement agencies and to America.."
**** PLEASE DO TELL ME HOW ON THIS ONE!!! Tell me how. (in caps to draw only attention to that questions)

----Both are displaying racism against White America----

something the white man would never do, eh?

I am challenged to understand why Americans refuse to deal with reality, refuse to deal with truth.

Henry Gates is fully accountable for this incident, and Barack Obama is fully accountable for making this incident worse.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, same old problem. If Gates was the star of a local sports team, the Officer would have saved his life. But Gates is an elderly University Professor and won't be scoring any points for the local sports team this weekend. So a group of officers, with guns, radios, and police cars, handcuff the old man on his own front porch and drag him off to jail. The police look both stupid and cowardly!

Posted by: Thomas9 | July 23, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

If only he had had his TelePrompTer, he would have known what to say.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 23, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

jggmc: you are kidding, correct?


yeah, where the heck is the cabbie?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

WHITE ETHNIC MINORITY MALE JOURNO HAD HIS PROF. GATES- LIKE NIGHTMARE ONE MONTH AGO

Now I know what it feels like to be unjustly roughed up, shackled, imprisoned, and charged with a crime I did not commit. But in my case, the charge wasn't dropped.

More, here:

http://nowpublic.com/world/anti-stalking-journo-seeks-lawyer-fight-stalking-charge

Posted by: scrivener50 | July 23, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the correct answer for Obama was, "This is an ongoing investigation and I will follow it with interest to see how the facts unfold."

Posted by: Bubbette1 | July 23, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

All them perfessers usin' all them big words?

I think we've heard enough from you. Now go sharpen pencils.
Chrisuxcox

from the guy with a degree from a cereal box working on seperating green colons from red.

Get your face out of the pillow, wipe that smeg from your cheesy mustache and come up for some fresh air. And a grip on reality.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 23, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

well allrighty then: read up a bit more here....

"And Alan J. McDonald, the lawyer for the police union that represents Crowley, predicted that Obama will "regret the remarks he made."

I take that as a direct threat to the President of our country. Physically and politically.
Can I make a citizens' arrest through the WAPO?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I simply cannot understand why so many Americans refuse to accept accountability for their actions and refuse to hold others accountable for their actions.

So many of you are sitting around, banging at your keyboards, making excuses for this, making excuses for that, and so very few are simply dealing with reality.

Henry Gates is a jerk. Rather clear Gates is a racist. Gates refuses to accept those police officers were performing their duties as we instruct them to do. A lot of police are killed in the line of duty when they fall for a ruse. Our police can never be too safe, nor too skeptical.

Why is this Gates "feelings" are more important than safety of our police?

Obama has no business sticking his arrogant nose into this. Obama sided with Gates while knowing nothing about truth. Obama simply leaped to a racist conclusion this is racism on the part of white cops.

Gates and Obama, together, have cause serious harm to our law enforcement agencies and to America. Both are displaying racism against White America.

I am challenged to understand why Americans refuse to deal with reality, refuse to deal with truth.

Henry Gates is fully accountable for this incident, and Barack Obama is fully accountable for making this incident worse.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation
Smart Girl Politics

Posted by: PurlGurl | July 23, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

What is it with the suffix "-gate"? Are you really trying to compare an off the cuff remark with a scandal that brought about the resignation of a U.S. President? I really wish the media would quit trying to play cute games like this. It smacks of sensationalism, and I expect more from you, Chris.

Posted by: CountdeMonet | July 23, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

People with hard jobs:
1. Explosive disposal folks/road clearing engineers in Iraq and Afghanistan
2. Infantry squad leaders in Afghanistan and Iraq
3. Resupply convoys in Iraq and Afghanistan
4. Trauma doctors and nurses in Iraq and Afghanistan
5. Doctors and nurses in Germany and US treating wounded veterans
6. Police officers in urban areas subject to constant threat of the domestic violence/traffic stop/gun nut with a gun and a grudge, like 4 Oakland officers who recently paid the ultimate price
Thanks to all of the above, and firemen and EMTs for their service.
.....
somewhere way down the least
Harvard Professors, whatever their background, who should be grateful for the people who put their bodies on the line to keep the peace, in the world and on the streets of Cambridge and Somerville. And should not provoke a response by being mouthy to officers who just want to see where everybody's hands are before they turn their backs and walk away.

Posted by: mesondk | July 23, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I've never been black, but I -am- from Boston and know that some cops can be jerks (and insist on proving it) but most aren't.

While probably Sgt. Crowley should have walked away (and I wasn't there), it's a VERY safe bet that Skip Gates was not in a very good mood when the police showed up.

He had just gotten off a long flight from China and had taken a tedious taxi ride from Logan. He gets home and finds that he can't get into his house (and it's not at all clear why his front door was jammed). So he and the taxi driver try to break in through the back door, successfully. Prof. Gates then tries to get his front door open, with some difficulty, and then the police show up.

Almost anyone would probably be thinking, "What else can go wrong?" And involuntarily Prof. Gates helped make things go further wrong by over-reacting.

Fortunately, in Massachusetts shootings by police are pretty rare.

Posted by: edallan | July 23, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes, this is only a make-up scenario. Nonetheless,...

===

Nonetheless, nothing. You just invented something from whole cloth. When you can set up all the premises, you can come to any conclusion.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: This is TRULY irresponsible. If, because of this comment, anything happens at Prof. Gate's house, YOU will bear the moral responsibility. Do you even care?

==

With any luck Jake will get arrested.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

i am loving this issue.

PurlGurl:
and the copper did nothing, eh?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I know of someone who was killed in his own home by police using the wrong address during a raid. He had the bad luck to be cleaning a handgun at the time.

Posted by: seemstome | July 23, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

All Henry Gates has accomplished is to expose himself for the closet racist he is.

All Barack Obama has accomplished is to expose himself for the closet racist he is.

All many Americans have accomplished is to expose themselves for the closet racists they are.

The rest of us are responsible enough to hold all peoples accountable for their actions.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation
Smart Girl Politics

Posted by: PurlGurl | July 23, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

My theory is that years of Democratic Legislatures,

==

hahahahaha

your "theory"

hahhahahahah

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

There were 3 cops in the arrest picture, one of them was black. This looks like a case of an irresistible farce meeting an immovable Azzhole. The farce won.

Posted by: seemstome | July 23, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

'Protest THIS SATURDAY in front of Gates's house: 17 Ware Street, Cambridge MA 02138'

JakeD: This is TRULY irresponsible. If, because of this comment, anything happens at Prof. Gate's house, YOU will bear the moral responsibility. Do you even care?

Posted by: sverigegrabb | July 23, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

What I find so surprising about many comments is that it's apparently understandable that someone could get arrested, shackled, and taken away from his home merely for yelling at a police officer in his home.

Aren't the police supposed to be public servants, protecting the peace? Now it's acceptable that they intimidate people merely to show who's boss - even university professors!?

Posted by: mjford2 | July 23, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The thing that I don't understand about Massachusetts is how can the same state that gave us John Adams, the Minutemen, Paul Revere and Samuel Adams now give us Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Frank and the leftist PC faculty clowns at Harvard?

_________________

My theory is that years of Democratic Legislatures, gross entitlement programs, government unions and out of control spending cause people with any common sense to move. That leaves the liberals who are now starting to hump each others leg over where they are going to get the money to keep their delusional entitlement programs afloat.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | July 23, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

The fact that this dude is talking smack to THE PRESIDENT shows he is willing to cross the line. He should hope BO doesn't show him the real force of who is in charge. Who would talk trash to the person in charge of EVERY federal entity?

Posted by: davis_renee | July 23, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Inasmuch as many of the opinions here are not based on full facts before us, I would like to add the following scenario: Supposed the white officer(s) arrived in response to the possible break-in call. He checked out the professor’s ID and left. Yet in reality the professor’s daughter was actually held at gun point in the bathroom. Then soon after the officer left the professor’s house, the gunman shot the professor’s daughter. Yes, this is only a make-up scenario. Nonetheless, in real time it might have been happening in another house in another town where a white officer was in the same situation with a black professor teaching in a community college. The point is: A pen is mightier than a sword. If the officer is a racist, then tell the public or file a civil charge afterwards. Otherwise, as a lesson learned the white officer in this other town now might not know how to handle this real life-threatening situation involving this black professor’s daughter who is held at gun point in the bathroom. And this black professor in this other town is cursing at or acting impolitely to the cop all because the father is instructed by the gunman to do so.

Posted by: jggmac | July 23, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

northwind1:

Please don't pick on CC! I thought 'Gates-gate' was very witty. It's certainly a (regrettably) escalating story--enough so to be called '___-gate', so why not?

Posted by: sverigegrabb | July 23, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The thing that I don't understand about Massachusetts is how can the same state that gave us John Adams, the Minutemen, Paul Revere and Samuel Adams now give us Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Frank and the leftist PC faculty clowns at Harvard?

==

So what do you have against Harvard, troll?

All them perfessers usin' all them big words?

I think we've heard enough from you. Now go sharpen pencils.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

oh mason08-----

this is happening all over the place to all races.

this "ever so slightly, i'm really not supposed to be doing this but I am a cop so I can"

can you say USA Patriot Act.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The thing that I don't understand about Massachusetts is how can the same state that gave us John Adams, the Minutemen, Paul Revere and Samuel Adams now give us Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Frank and the leftist PC faculty clowns at Harvard?

Posted by: CarlosHawes | July 23, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"In 2004 I was ordered out of bed by MPD officers after my landlords house alarm went off again. They entered through unlocked (my gf had left an hour earlier and didn't have a key) English basement door. After we had determined that I did, in fact, live there (and they searched my bedside table illegally) they had the gall to tell me that I should have listened to their commands."

By "they", I mean the officers. The alarm was a false one.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Scrivener50 means well. Scrivener, are you wearing your tin foil hat? Remember those microwave energy weapons will scramble your brains if you don't have it on.
Also, take your meds before eleven.

Posted by: seemstome | July 23, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The opinion by some though that a white man who similarly made verbally offensive comments to a police officer would get away with them are ridiculous. Anyone of any race or gender who acts in such a way could be arrested by white or black police officers.

==

BS.

In 2004 I was ordered out of bed by MPD officers after my landlords house alarm went off again. They entered through unlocked (my gf had left an hour earlier and didn't have a key) English basement door. After we had determined that I did, in fact, live there (and they searched my bedside table illegally) they had the gall to tell me that I should have listened to their commands.

Did I mention that I was asleep???

That was all I could take. I told them they were morons for:
1) Not noting that the alarm didn't go off when they opened the door. This was because my apartment was not alarm protected.
2) That the one of the people in many of the family pictures the in the living room matched the drivers license photo sitting in the open wallet on the bar AND the person lying in the bed. Who breaks into an apartment, puts framed photos of their family on the bookshelf, and then crawls into bed?
3) Thinking that I wouldn't notice that they had looked in my desk before they woke me up.

They left quietly.

I'm white. One of them was white. One was black.

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Mkady---
wait, this is precious...

so that's the "audio talk" that people were mentioning....

an officer left his audio on.........

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

THE PROF. GATES POLICE HOME INVASION:
EMBLEMATIC OF A POLICE STATE GESTAPO

==

oh shut up you paranoid freak

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

THE PROF. GATES POLICE HOME INVASION:
EMBLEMATIC OF A POLICE STATE GESTAPO
ENABLED BY A SECRETIVE FED 'PROGRAM'
OF EXTRAJUDICIAL 'VIGILANTE INJUSTICE'

• President Obama must dismantle the domestic, GPS-activated "torture matrix" and remove from power the federal officials who continue to oversee it -- violating human and civil rights of the unjustly "targeted."


FEMA, Secret Service, FBI, the military and intel agencies are among the federal enablers of volunteer community policing, anti-terrorism and town watch organizations transmogrified by Bush-Cheney into fronts for a nationwide, civilian Gestapo-like army.

This grassroots-based extrajudicial targeting and punishment "torture matrix" uses covertly implanted GPS tracking devices to stalk, harass, vandalize and terrorize unjustly "targeted" Americans and their families.

When "targets" travel, the GPS system alerts vigilantes affiliated with local units of this American Gestapo, triggering a systematic campaign of stalking and harassment that often includes vandalism and surreptitious home entries. The cooperation of local police denies unjustly targeted Americans their Constitutional right of equal protection under the law.

Silent, injury- and illness-inducing microwave and laser radiation "directed energy weapons" are being used to torture, and to degrade the lives of targeted citizens -- what could be described as a quiet, ideologically-motivated genocide.

This weaponization of the electromagnetic spectrum is every bit as socially significant as the invention of gunpowder -- but the mainstream media has yet to report in detail on the ramifications.

Victims charge that members of this civilian Gestapo have infiltrated the health care system, calling into question the quality of the services they receive when they need hospital or emergency care.

And companion array of “programs of personal financial destruction," using the IRS as a political weapon, sabotages the finances of targeted families. Their telecommunications and U.S. mail appear to be subject to warrantless surveillance, interception and tampering, including the alteration of financial accounts and credit card and utility billing statements.

This systematic bypass of the American judicial system makes a mockery of the rule of law -- and political "dissidents," "whistle-blowers" and those considered to be social "deviates" are among its prime targets.

Civil rights advocates: Wake up and smell the police state that has co-opted POTUS and an unaware Congress into becoming enablers of vigilante injustice and domestic torture.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

See "GESTAPO USA" at http://NowPublic.com/scrivener ("stream" or "stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | July 23, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm sue Hollywood is already working on the screenplay

The poor oppressed, humble and lovable Dr Gates played by Morgan Freedman.

The evil racist cop played by Sean Bean.

And the heroic and strong President Obama played by Denzel Washington.

Posted by: CarlosHawes | July 23, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Carlos:

(((laughing as we speak))))

a local matter to Cambridge...

not any more pilgrim.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

In my little bedroom hamlet we had a cop shoot a man to death a few days ago; he had discovered his wife was cheating on him and slit his wrists, she called the cops, the man walked out holding out his empty hands, blood dripping .. the 26-yo hotshot killed him.

His own partner had yelled at him to put his gun down.

Cops make mistakes. People can get killed.

Gates is lucky to be alive .. imagine if this had been Tayuck Sayess instead of Massachusetts.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

aprogressive-great point.
i thought of this earlier this morning.
The man had just gone through customs coming home from China...

but is not the focus on the President's remarks that heightens this issue....

it is not even ALL race--that heightens the issue.

it's a cop issue.

Professor is getting great press on it.
He should take it to court in a lawsuit.
No doubt about it.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

'seemstome' has this EXACTLY right! What a tempest in a teapot!

But, to paraphrase 'Rahmbo', [The Rabid Right] should never let an instance to display faux outrage go to waste.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | July 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

iam a white american KOREAN WAR VETERAN 1951-1959.I WILL EXCERCISE MY FREE SPEECH.AMONG OTHER THINGS THE TROUBLE WITH TODAYS YOUNG MEN 21-35 ARE NOITALLS,MOST OF THEM ANYWAY..CHRIS>YOU ARE ONE OF THEM.GUYS LIKE U SHOULD SERVE TIME IN THIS COUNTRYS MILITARY WHERE THEY WILL MAKE A MAN OUT OF YOU..I JUST SAW U ON COUNT DOWN TONIGHT & YOU LOOKED REAL STUPID SAYING WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT OBAMA..WATCHOUT AS EUGENE ROBINSON WILL CONFRONT YOU IN THE MENSROOM.....IT DOESNT DO ANYGOOD TO SAY ANYTHING TO BOYS LIKE YOU BECAUSE IN THIS WORLD,YOUR ALL ALIKE.

Posted by: eugenelevey | July 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else wonder how in the world laughing-boy Gibbs got (and manages to keep) his job as Press Secretary?

The man is an embarrassment.

Posted by: CarlosHawes | July 23, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Wait until you people hear the audio. One of the officers left his transmit button on and all you can hear is this professor shouting is "you mama" this, and "your mama sez this". Its on a Boston web site but the link cannot be lifted for some reason.

Posted by: MKadyman | July 23, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

mockingbird:
i think i shot you from my porch....

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Of course attaching "gate" to a headline like "controversy grows" and using unsupported statements like "spawned a national controversy that threatens to overshadow the chief executive's messaging on the urgency of health care reform" has nothing to do with it right?

Posted by: northwind1 | July 23, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

seemstone:
...."Disorderly conduct in your own home is permitted. This cop was and is way out of bounds. That's why the charges were dropped.
My guess is he will have different duties to fulfill from now on.

***i don't particularly care about the officer at all. I care about the "pattern of behavior of law enforcement officers"

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The ultimate question though is why the President is even offering comment on something that is a local matter to Cambridge?

If he would have said "I don't have all of the facts, so I would rather not speculate at this time." That would have been the end of it.

That's what candidate Obama would have said. He's off his A-game of late.

Posted by: CarlosHawes | July 23, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Any policeman who does NOT racially profile ought to be fired. Why? BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES AT 20 TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE PEOPLE, and a policeman has the duty to go where the crime is.
And besides, anyone who works for Harvard ought to be arrested on those grounds alone.
Sure wish I'd been one of those policemen.

Posted by: LeePefley1 | July 23, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

This may be Obama's first verbal gaffe since becoming president. He should have limtied his comments to saying he did not have all the facts, Gates is a friend of his and left it at that.

As more apparent facts have emerged, the officer does not seem to be a racist and race seemed to play no role in police actions. Obama though, by alluding to police race profiling, strongly suggested racism was involved, which seems as foolish as his comment about the police acting "stupidly."

Gates was apparently tired from a long plane trip. He may have been in a cranky mood, which anyone who has experienced a long uncomfortable trip by plane, train or car, can relate to.

Gates was out of line in his verbally abusive comments, especially relating to Crowley's "momma." He had a right to ask for the officer's identification. The opinion by some though that a white man who similarly made verbally offensive comments to a police officer would get away with them are ridiculous. Anyone of any race or gender who acts in such a way could be arrested by white or black police officers.

This may be a bigger story than Chris thinks. There is growing lack of trust in some of Obama's policies among many in the public. His comments on this incident could reinforce increasing skepticism and opposition to some of his policies.

What is especially unfortunate is Obama's comments, as Chris said, have overshadowed, his attempts in the press conference to gain greater public support for his still, undefined, somewhat vague, health care initiative.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | July 23, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Belligerent is not disorderly conduct under Mass. Law. His front porch is part of his home, and he was arrested in his own home.

I doubt that the police officer intended to act inappropriately, but rather got caught up in the heat of the moment.

Some of the posters on here certainly are not worthy of the benefit of that doubt.

Posted by: glazer1 | July 23, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama acted stupidly as soon as he opened his racist white-man-evil mouth.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | July 23, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

lee:
you are scary

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Since when is loudly calling someone an idiot when they're acting idiotic illegal?

Posted by: mason08 | July 23, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Any policeman who does NOT racially profile ought to be fired. Why? BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES AT 20 TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE PEOPLE, and a policeman has the duty to go where the crime is.
And besides, anyone who works for Harvard ought to be arrested on those grounds alone.
Sure wish I'd been one of those policemen.

==

There's one (1) vote for Palin right there.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Police do make mistakes, sometimes they get the address wrong. Sometimes they get a mistaken identification. They knew who this man was and they knew it was his home.
Disorderly conduct in your own home is permitted. This cop was and is way out of bounds. That's why the charges were dropped.
My guess is he will have different duties to fulfill from now on.
Obama's comment was a different matter. He should have kept himself aloof, but nothing he said was false, only distracting.

Posted by: seemstome | July 23, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

dcsuburb:
aahhh, but there is the rub.

they asked him to step outside.

I am from Cook County. (as the pres and rahmster). I know what "step outside" means.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Belligerence to cops isn't the smartest possible move, given the power the cops have to give you a really bad day.

But since when is it criminal?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

reussere: I like your attitude.

"They lost their tempers, just that simple. That everyone was at fault was without question. But it was down and out moronic for the police to escalate because their feelings were hurt.
They should know that you only do that stuff to poor folk who have no recourse or political clout."

Posted by: newageblues | July 23, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

glazer:
perhaps it was specific intent?

you know....taught in police training classes.......

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Any policeman who does NOT racially profile ought to be fired. Why? BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES AT 20 TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE PEOPLE, and a policeman has the duty to go where the crime is.
And besides, anyone who works for Harvard ought to be arrested on those grounds alone.
Sure wish I'd been one of those policemen.

Posted by: LeePefley1 | July 23, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza,

I guess you found your target audience when you pandered to Republican race baiters.

Posted by: nanorich | July 23, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

To glazer1:
"What the police did, arresting an individual in his own home, and then bringing a false charge against him, was wrong."

Get the facts right, glazer1. They did not arrest him in his own house. They arrested him outside after leaving his house because he was being disorderly, a fact confirmed by a neighbor who witnessed Gates' conduct and described it as "belligerent." Now whether the officer should have made the arrest or not, I don't know and you don't know, and more significantly, Obama didn't know. But he, as President of the United States, chose to rebuke the police officer and then went on to talk about race as an issue. That's racial hyper-sensitivity that amounts to bigotry.

Posted by: dcsuburb | July 23, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

And the one important statistic:

Obama's approval rating: Down 11 points in just over thirty days!!!!

The new car smell is gone, the polish is worn, and Americans are begining to suspect that they've been sold a total lemon.

Obama = the new Jimmy Carter minus the charisma!!!

Posted by: CarlosHawes | July 23, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

What the police did, arresting an individual in his own home, and then bringing a false charge against him, was wrong.

Once the fact that is was wrong is established, and such has been confirmed through the dismissal of all charges, the question then turns to intent.

If there was nefarious intent, then there is malice. That conclusion would be appalling.

If there was no intent, then it was stupid. In this case, stupid is far better than malicious.

Posted by: glazer1 | July 23, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

we have to be nice.
chris just pulled my entry for calling jakey a name.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"how critical message discipline is when you sit in the White House"

Well put. Nice column Chris.

Posted by: Bitter_Bill | July 23, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

mark
......."Until they arrested him in his own house they were doing their job as they were supposed to"

not sure about that.
not sure about that.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

So you march around Gates' house in your diaper, Jake, and get yourself arrested. Then this forum will enjoy a few days of relative quiet while you sit in jail.

Maybe you could explain your views on race while you're inside. That might make the peace here permanent.

Knock yourself out, drool case.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"A seemingly innocuous answer by President Barack Obama"? Come on, Chris. It was at the least, the President of the United States jumping on a individual police officer while inaccurately summarizing the facts and admitting he wasn't there and didn't know what happened. At most, it was the President of the United States acting like he is the President of the African Americans and taking umbrage simply because of a perceived injustice suffered by an African American at the hand of a Caucasian. That smacks of the hyper sensitivity that has gone on too long in this country, the sort of mentality that truly is bigoted inasmuch as it assumes it is alright to presume a white citizen is guilty of racism in every instance of inequity involving a black and a white. In other words, our President acted like a bigot. Innocuous? Hardly. Inequities, injustices occur. Sometimes the people involved are all of one race. Sometimes of another. And sometimes they are of different races. But race isn't always the issue even when people of different races are involved, and our President should understand that, if he wants to be the President of all of the people of the United States.

Posted by: dcsuburb | July 23, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Report Card on Obama's first six months:

promise: Close Gitmo ----- nope
promise: Bring the troops home ---- nope
promise: cut the deficit in half ---- hahaha!
promise: put Americans back to work --- oops!

results: 1.8 trillion in debt
10% unemployment
appolgized for everything America has ever done
bowed to a forign despot
oogled a tenneager's behind


Change we can believe in!!! In all 57 states!

Posted by: CarlosHawes | July 23, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin:

I am protesting the allegations of someone who was arrested OUTSIDE his house, in solidarity with the Cambridge Police department. Because, as fate would have it, I happen to be there Saturday.

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin:

I am protesting the allegations of someone who was arrested OUTSIDE his house, in solidarity with the Cambridge Police department. Because, as fate would have it, I happen to be there Saturday.

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Elect Palin/Rommney or Rommney/Palin in 2012 and get America back in business.

Posted by: CarlosHawes | July 23, 2009 8:10 PM
____
Hey, pal, first learn the correct spelling of your hero's name: Romney. It figures.

Has Phalin read that first newspaper yet?
How about distinguishing countries from continents? I am rooting for Phalin to run--she is guaranteed to pull in "the base": all 17 percent of the electorate.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 23, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

and who cares if they don't vote on healthcare reform until after the recess?
what IS the big whoop jake?

==

monkey-boy hopes that the GOP has more time to rally the filth against a health care plan.

He has this funny idea that they'll come up with some tactic more effective than screaming "Socialism! Socialism!" and that it will reach people outside the Palin base.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Elect Palin/Rommney or Rommney/Palin in 2012 and get America back in business.

==

Why don't we just set off nuclear bombs in our own cities instead, it'd be the same in the end but the pain would be a lot less protracted

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

New Era---
uh, could you repeat that for me?

rgn: no crime was committed. the officers should have left


and who cares if they don't vote on healthcare reform until after the recess?
what IS the big whoop jake?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I totally oppose Obama on almost every substantial area of policy and political theory. His Presidency with its pronounced left tilt has the potential to set Amaerica back by 30 years. But the one positive point of his election for me was that it was maybe a sign that we could finally do politics in this country without wading into the race swamp. It looks like I was too optimistic.

I want to defeat Obama in 2012 on the basic points of freedom, capitalism, and the exceptionlism of the American individual. Race is a distraction and only muddies the water. It is divisive and everyone who gets involved always comes out looking worse.

The best we could hope for is:

1) Obama to say that he spoke in haste and that he is confident that the local community can deal with the issue in a fair way.

2) Gates and Officer Crowley both publicly state that they are no longer going to discuss the issue to the media. Promises of no interviews, no litigation and no apologies should be the final word.

3) Move on. Its time to defeat socialized rationed health care.

4) Elect Palin/Rommney or Rommney/Palin in 2012 and get America back in business.

Posted by: CarlosHawes | July 23, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Jake, why do you want people to protest against a man who apparently was simply verbally abusive to a police officer in his own home?

==

I think "Jake is an idiot" is the answer to pretty much all these questions. There's no logic, no reason, just the squirming of an ineffectual individual of low intelligence and irritable demeanor. To hell with him and his eternal squealing for attention.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

georgejones5: yeah, 150 days in office and he hasn't parted the waters yet.

He did walk through the "Door of No Return" however.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

O'Bama may have finally with the Gates debacle met his Waterloo, not Health Care but his solidarity with Negro aggressiveness. He's finished!

Posted by: ravitchn | July 23, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The categories of offense that are essentially "wrong place - wrong time" passive transgressions [DOC, disturbing the peace, vagrancy, loitering, blocking a passageway,etc.] give police great latitude in how they go about enforcing the law. Back in 1965, in my law school criminal procedure class, some wag coined the word "loirtancy" to cover the field. Needless to say, where police are given wide discretion, some are capable of handling it wisely and some are not.

Assuming "curtilage" has the same meaning and incorporates the same rights in MA as it does in TX, I doubt if the charge could have withstood a motion to dismiss - so I think the officers abused their discretion no matter what the prof said or how loud he said it.

BUT, I will not judge these officers as "racist". Until they arrested him in his own house they were doing their job as they were supposed to. I think this could easily happen to me in my neighborhood if a passing jogger who saw me breaking in to my house did not know me and called 911, and the police came to investigate, and I was a loud pissant about it, and the officer was not the soul of patience.

I have read the Prez's remarks and Gates is apparently a friend. i can only imagine what HST would have said if a friend of his had been arrested in his own home for being loud and ugly, but non-violent.

Jake, why do you want people to protest against a man who apparently was simply verbally abusive to a police officer in his own home?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | July 23, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

plathman-
Harry Reid told everyone to go home

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

You are aware that the Senate will NOT be voting on the healthcare reform bill before the August recess, right?

==

You are aware that the next GOP president is probably not even BORN yet?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

skinny--
the cops had no right for the arrest once residency had been established because the "screaming by the Professor" would not have taken place.

in their way of "establishing residency", the cops failed.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

The insurance corporations were looking for tar baby to throw at Obama and this was a story sent straight from hell for them. Every hack on their payroll will beat this drum for as long as they can. WAPO included.
Obama's response to the question would have been ammunition for them no matter what he said. Health reform be damned.

Posted by: seemstome | July 23, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

OMG--did you just here on CNN whereby there is going to be legislation introduced that the PERSON running for President has to produce his/her own birth certificate.

==

That's just a bunch of Republican crybabies. They can't do anything to effect policy anymore, all they can do is appeal to the Palin base, so what JakeD does here the Republicans do nationally.

The GOP is trolling America.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

thanks chris.....

besides jakey.....i'm in a undisclosed location.
and yes, i don't do videos.

so if you CANNOT give me text in the form of the official report released by the police dept. to the boston globe... which would confirm the quote by the Commissioner was it????
forget it pal..

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

plathman:

LOL!!! "well played"?! You are aware that the Senate will NOT be voting on the healthcare reform bill before the August recess, right?

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Oops - looks like the professor has a bad case of "foot in mouth" syndrome. I have never seen a positive outcome when someone engages their mouth before engaging their brain. Unfortunately the syndrome seems to have spread to the President who was all too quick to judge the police officer's actions as stupid without being on the scene or having all of the facts. A tempest in a teapot? Or...a hurricane? Maybe the former if you siding with the president but as a hard working, honest, law abiding police officer trying to defend the law, maybe the latter. Tough time to be a cop, especially when the highest office in the nation is calling your actions "stupid".

Posted by: rgn1 | July 23, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

What a stinking disappointment Obama has turned out to be as president

Posted by: georgejones5 | July 23, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

from a cynical point of view, this is actually brilliant. yes, every minute spent parsing what happened with gates is a minute not spent talking about health care reform. but, that's exactly the point! people like rush limbaugh and cable news anchors live for stuff like this. the republicans, predictably, took the bait. so, they're busy lambasting the president for this race thing instead of building a case against health care reform. this takes the temperature way down on the drumbeat to "waterloo" and instead divides the attention of the opposition.

people have talked about obama trying to do too much, having divided attention and too many priorities. can the republicans run a campaign against health care and talk about race at the same time? i don't know, but right now they're busy talking about this instead of health care. meanwhile the senate is making progress on the health care reform bill.

i say, well played, barack.

Posted by: plathman | July 23, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

OMG--did you just here on CNN whereby there is going to be legislation introduced that the PERSON running for President has to produce his/her own birth certificate.

Slapped Hawaii's issuance of President's Obama's in the face.

So this would be federal of course.
Lovely, how you acknowledge the judicial power of your own states.

Did I get this wrong somewhere?
Are we the United States of America?

we have birth certificates--to no avail
we produce evidence that we live in our house......to no avail
what is next?

i'm getting scared folks!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Protest THIS SATURDAY in front of Gates's house: 17 Ware Street, Cambridge MA 02138

==

THAT'S WHAT, FIVE POSTS NOW?

DON'T YOU THINK ONE WOULD BE ENOUGH, IF ANYONE ACTUALLY CARED?

STOP WHINING FOR ATTENTION. GET A DOG.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Sgt Crowley saved a black person's life before when he was a campus police. He is the expert in racial profiling in the force. This guy is known in his neighbourhood and friends to be nice.

This arrogrant Gates are not even knew to his own neighbours that they mistaken him for a crook.

The true racist here is not the white guy.

Posted by: SkinnyCat | July 23, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Everyone else:

Protest THIS SATURDAY in front of Gates's house: 17 Ware Street, Cambridge MA 02138

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I gave you "confirmation" via the Boston Globe. Does your computer not do web sites either?

==

HEY, JERKOFF

MOST VIDEOS REQUIRE FLASH

A LOT OF US WOULD RATHER DIE THAN RUN FLASH

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

jakey:
only if it's a link is the official release of it...yes, thanks.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I am a rabid Independent, not a Republican. Nice try though

==

You're not a Republican?

Then I'm the pope.

Don't you EVER stop lying?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I am beginning to think old Obama's brain is not connected to his mouth.

Sorry, but I heard his comments last night. By his own words, he abdicated his position as President of over 300 million Americans in favor of becoming president of those who make a living based on race based politics. And there aren't enough of those people to win 270 electoral votes in any presidential election.

Posted by: NewEra | July 23, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

(double rolling)
i can do bush and dignity in the same sentence .....

Dignity wore a blue dress with a beret in the Bush Administration.....

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

I gave you "confirmation" via the Boston Globe. Does your computer not do web sites either?

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline:

I am a rabid Independent, not a Republican. Nice try though ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

jake: i am just asking for confirmation of the quote......i can't do videos on my machine ...

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"Or, did you listen to the Cambridge Police Commissioner who defended the actions of Sgt. Crowley, saying he believed the sergeant acted "consistent with his training" and without racial bias?
"I don't believe that Sergeant [James M.] Crowley acted with any racial motivation at all," said Commissioner Robert Haas. Posted by: JakeD"

You really expected that the Chief wouldn't side with the SGT, no matter how outrageous his actions?

Properly trained police officers ought to be observing their own demeanor, because, since they supposedly train to defuse such situations, they need to note when they are becoming the problem, instead of offering the solution.

As for the President, he was asked a fair, if off topic question. He gave a fair, if personal answer. You rabid Republicans got something to blather about, thus taking the spotlight of the problem that is currently rising up to devour you, the fact that at least half of the people unhappy with Barack's results on health care are unhappy because he appears to be giving away the farm to gain consensus that the Republicans flatly refuse to give. Once he has unarguably pinned the republicans to their vast no fields, he can write them off, get enough Democrats to pass a Health Care Bill much closer to what most Democrats would prefer, especially including the public option, and leave the Republicans with a fait accompli as hard to un do as Social Security.

But Barack may be a bit ahead of you, because, you having provided the distraction, he can slip off and work on isolating the NO P, and letting them blather on the vine.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 23, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

I'm not mad. Obviously, the police officer in question wrote his own report. Are you saying he lied in the report? Have you even read the report (or do you need a "link" for that as well)?

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

chris:
jake is getting mad too......
can tell......

==

Get him mad enough and he'll say something to me about being gay.

He seems to think that's something to be ashamed of.

And somehow being a complete f*cking idiot it something he's proud of.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Clearly the Obama handlers had to explain to the Kenyan that the US Constitution sees no color, so those sworn to uphold it cannot see it either in Public.

Geeze he can backpeddle all he likes he lost the following base.

All Domestic Violence workers who want a full investigation at the door of a home when the lock is broken.
Find her, or a restraining order, and observe the demeanor of the person being investigated...should be the first priority in the back of any approaching officer's mind.


Police accross the Nation who understand that the officer's actions had more to do with protocal than stupidity. At least they can see the black officer in the picture, didn't agree with the yelling man on the porch.

How many in the Democrat base are looking to change their voter registration to Independent Party to loudly express a clear dissent?

Posted by: dottydo | July 23, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

broadway:
i LOVE the fact that the issue has come up.
It's one of the ones we really WANT to come up.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

No, the dignity returned to the Oval Office for 8 years AFTER Clinton

==

Bush? Dignity?

"Bring it on?"

"Bush" and "dignity" don't belong in the same sentence. He was a buffoon, just like you.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

chris:
jake is getting mad too......
can tell......

BTW jakey.....i need to ask you a question.
Who do you think writes police reports?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

Me not being able to care less where or what you "pause" for is not any of those things, but simply a statement of fact. If you are asking for a link to the Police Commissioner's press conference:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/cambridge_polic_3.html

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

broadway: agree on the cop was wrong.

i disagree...on letting it go.
The Professor has a chance to take this to court. I am praying he does.
Call the Rev. Al and Jesse.

--aren't coppers patrolling and on call in their neighborhoods--supposed to KNOW their neighborhood. when i played ball in the street in the 60s, regular copper John came around in the shiny patrol car and told us to get out of the street.....


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:28 PM
_______
I hear you. But it's a sucker play. A big gopher hole for BHO to step into. Trust me. It will waste his time and provide fodder for Hannity and his all-Amerikkan panel of "experts" to go on endlessly about it. Skip needs to cut this off and go home.

But my guess is Skip'll feed off the drama and attention. And watch, we'll see the rogue cop interviewed on every one of the hate shows (Hannity, Beck, Ingaham, etc.). Joe the Plumber II.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 23, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

but broadway...the potential of this case is marvelous....simply marvelous.

if you believe it is a "law enforcement behavioral issue"

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

President Obama gave an "HONEST ANSWER", when he was asked a question.

That is something that people in this Country are not use to. They have been "LIED", to for so long, they don't what the "TRUTH", is.

For the past 8 years, all we have heard has been nothing but "LIES". Finally, we have a President who isn't "AFRAID", to give an "HONEST", answer, and people are going "NUTS".

He shouldn't have to take back what he said, nor "APOLOGIZE", to no one.

Police have a long History of "HOSTILE ACTS", toward BLACK MEN.

The Question is when, or will it ever "STOP"? With all the Police at Professor Gates Home that Morning, none of them used any "COMMON SENSE", to defuse the incident.

With Police there is an UNSPOKEN CODE: "BACK EACH OTHER UP, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY ARE RIGHT OR WRONG."

That also includes "MURDER".

Posted by: austininc4 | July 23, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

I couldn't care less where or what you "pause" for.


is that your assumption, judgement, belief
or opinion......(now that i had to rethink it)
keep track damn it jakey.....

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less where or what you "pause" for.

==

While we're on the subject of not caring less, nobody gives a flying f*ck about your view on anything. That's because you're an idiot.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 23, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

jake-
your statement:
Or, did you listen to the Cambridge Police Commissioner who defended the actions of Sgt. Crowley, ..(double quote here))
""""saying he believed the sergeant acted "consistent with his training" and without racial bias?********

was that a press conference here just recently? he said that for real?
i have not seen, cannot confirm.
it's in a press conference on tape?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

Is WHAT my assumption, judgment, or belief?

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone here reflexively defending Obama and Gates should listen to the audio tapes of the incident when they are released -- quite revealing. Gates is a world-class pompous ass. He was shrieking like a a girl who lost her Barbie. It's only because the Harvard establishment uses their political connections to drop the charges that the liberals can claim vindication. But the tapes don't lie!

Of course, maybe Obama could quash the release of the tapes for national security reasons? Anyone feel like a little FOIA request?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | July 23, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Skip used to be a legitimate professor who taught something to somebody up at Cambridge. Seriously.

Recently he's crossed over to performance artist. This arrest business is his Gloria ("Ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille") Swanson moment.

Skip would do his friend, BHO, a big favor by letting this go and moving on.

But he won't: he'll do Oprah, CNN, and Tyra and keep this fake controversy alive weeks longer than it deserves. And Drudge, Hannity, O'Reilly, and... the Fix (Chip Salsman fan and not a peep about Buchanan's meltdown or Kilmeade's sig Heil moment) will just eat it up.

The politics of division and distraction. Talk about Skip Gates, birth certificates, and fistbumps. Forget about real issues like health care reform, global warming, Middle East unrest, economic stimulus...

Oy.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 23, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

jakey:
is that your assumption, judgment, or belief?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Where do you live, Jake?

Posted by: news5 | July 23, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

broadway: agree on the cop was wrong.

i disagree...on letting it go.
The Professor has a chance to take this to court. I am praying he does.
Call the Rev. Al and Jesse.

--aren't coppers patrolling and on call in their neighborhoods--supposed to KNOW their neighborhood. when i played ball in the street in the 60s, regular copper John came around in the shiny patrol car and told us to get out of the street.....

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Protest THIS SATURDAY in front of Gates's house: 17 Ware Street, Cambridge MA 02138

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

I couldn't care less where or what you "pause" for.

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Henry Gates, Jr. is not a scholar -- in anyone's estimation.

Gates should have been arrested and given a 1 to 2 year prison term --- with absolutely zero - zip and zilch chance of parole.


Posted by: hclark1 | July 23, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Or, did you listen to the Cambridge Police Commissioner who defended the actions of Sgt. Crowley, saying he believed the sergeant acted "consistent with his training" and without racial bias?

"I don't believe that Sergeant [James M.] Crowley acted with any racial motivation at all," said Commissioner Robert Haas.

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

jakey:
i'm pausing for disappointment again (twice today)--

residence was established.
the cop should have left, with his partners in tow as well.

what makes it better is -
1) law enforcement stay outside the door
2) look up on their computer console in their lovely shiny patrol car that Professor Gates lived there....
while staying outside the door.

you know, it's an "instilling fear" tactic for one cop with 2 partners to show up at your door. then for them all to believe they have a SUPERIOR right.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

ReverendX-Ray:

What if the police officer in question actually lives in Cambridge? Have you even READ the report?

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

No, he didn't lose his cool (unless he is LYING in the police report), and he does seem intelligent and not a racist. BTW: here in America, we spell it "judgment".

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"[The Gates story] threatens to overshadow the chief executive's messaging on the urgency of health care reform."
__________
What utter nonsense. This is Drudge's spin today. It will only overshadow something if you keep pushing these wingnut agendas.

"Skip" Gates getting arrested and then having the charges dropped has something to do with health care????? How absurd.

The cop was wrong. He should have left once Skip showed the picture ID. Still, I thought BHO should have left it alone at the presser but couldn't because Skip's a close friend.

This is a local matter between Gates and the Cambridge police department including, as one poster called him, JIM CROW-ley. Let it go...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 23, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

What the public understands about police is that too often they a reactive to the exchange of words. It is not a crime to tell an officer off, nor to be angry and defiant. Unfortunately police training seems to exclude these facts and so, a small city finds itself embarrassed.
The other factor here is not so much about race (it probably isn't) but much more about police officers who are trained to police a city in which they do not live. This is a problem in all urban centers. What happens when a cop, who lives in a suburb in which few if any people walk the streets at night )they drive), and tend to be segregated, and such a person is tasked with policing a crowded and diverse city?
It's been the request of mayors around the country, including Mayor Menino of Boston, to require city residency for city cops.
If that were the rule in Cambridge before last week, it may be possible that Mr. Gates would have run into a cop who also happen to be a fellow resident, and maybe, just maybe, that cop would at least have known that professional persons of color live in big houses too.

Posted by: ReverendX-Ray | July 23, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I just listened to the Evening News and the Sgt said "no apology" would come from him.

He seemed intelligent, did he lose his cool?

Very poor judgement on his part!!

Posted by: cjmat7 | July 23, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

yes...

the issue was opened with press that leaned towards "race related"...

however, this is such a vital issue that I hope the Professor takes it all the way through the court system of this land...
by the mere fact that he can because he may have more money than myself (for instance)---or the other common man-
to whom this has also happened to.

It is a law enforcement behavioral issue.
I don't care if the cop has seemingly "set an outside public example to others" that he is not "of racist nature" (those classes, saving someone, etc)......
he may be in the closet.

Ask your local Catholic priest next Sunday at church.
Before he goes to the back room.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

reussere:

I would call not call it "stupid" -- I would call it arresting someone (regardless of his or her race) for disorderly conduct -- you are aware that is a crime, right?

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

well, there is something called the "rule of law" to consider

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Of course the police acted stupidly. What else would you call it? They were all standing outside an upscale home being berated by an obvious upscale individual that had already proved that he was breaking into his own residence. Quite aside from any race issues, the policeman themselves would have to be IDIOTS to arrest the man and take him downtown, for all things, disturbing the peace. The best possible outcome for them would be a dressing down by their bosses, the worst would be the firestorm that has erupted.

They lost their tempers, just that simple. That everyone was at fault was without question. But it was down and out moronic for the police to escalate because their feelings were hurt.

They should know that you only do that stuff to poor folk who have no recourse or political clout.

Posted by: reussere | July 23, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

((((laughing my fricking patootie off here folks))))

i need an e-cig!

are you going to tell me, in all reality, that we cannot have stupid cops?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

NobodyInParticular1:

No, the dignity returned to the Oval Office for 8 years AFTER Clinton -- you do remember Monica Lewinsky, right -- but (obviously) has since departed.

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

The really stupid thing was the THE ONE taking his friends side over the facts.

Shame on you obama, picking the upper class over the cops

Posted by: newagent99 | July 23, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Forget "message discipline"; try "word discipline". Had Obama said "foolishly" instead of "stupidly", there would still be blowback but not nearly as intense.

"OMG! NOBAMA THINKS POLICE R FOOLISH!!!!" just isn't as catchy as "OMG! NOBAMA THINKS POLICE R STOOPID!!!!"

Posted by: ComfortablyDumb | July 23, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama had no business raising this local issue onto the national stage without having a full accounting of the facts. He should have demurred by stating that he DID have some thoughts, but would keep them private for the time being.

The cop may or may not have acted appropriately- he may or may not be a racist (teaching a class regarding anti-profiling does not preclude someone from being a racist- you should see the classes I teach). The homeowner may or may not have been acting like a jerk. The degree of jerkiness is also in question- after all, wouldn't you be a jerk if a cop was in your home?

In any case, it's way to early to be throwing around words like 'stupid'- especially when you're supposed to have the dignity of the Oval Office behind you. I thought some of that dignity was supposed to be coming back after 8 years...

Posted by: NobodyInParticular1 | July 23, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Protest THIS SATURDAY in front of Gates's house: 17 Ware Street, Cambridge MA 02138

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

chris,
the town hall was in Shaker Heights, OH

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse


oh golly...
i don't know if i was hoping for this story to come up on THE FIX or not.

why shouldn't this story take away the thunder of the day---healthcare reform.
Reid told everyone to go home.

the President of the United States can pretty much say anything he wants.

Besides, the President, Rahm-a-tolla, and myself are from Cook County, Illinois.
We KNOW what happened at the professor's house.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | July 23, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

sverigegrabb:

You have read the police report, right?

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Chris, also of note and maybe Dana Milbank should point this out...is that the arresting officer's name was JIM CROW-ley. Irony is everywhere.

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | July 23, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a dillweed. Gates is a racist. The cop is not a racist (he teaches anti-racial prodiling to other police officers and gave mouth to mouth resucitation to try to save Reggie lewis years ago) and was doing his job. Wait until the tapes are released (there are audio tapes of the incident).

Posted by: DaMan2 | July 23, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

I'm not surprised, actually. The moment I heard the word 'stupid', I was sure there would be blowback, although I agree this has turned into a huge brouhaha.

We STILL don't know exactly what transpired between the officer and Gates, but the fact remains that it was absurdly naive of the Prez. to take the bait. Lynn shouldn't have brought up such extraneous stories at a healthcare presser.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | July 23, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Protest THIS SATURDAY in front of Gates's house: 17 Ware Street, Cambridge MA 02138

Posted by: JakeD | July 23, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

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