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The Jindal Speech: Debacle or Decent?

Even in the sleep-deprived world in which the Fix currently resides, we've been hearing the critiques of Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's (R) speech on Tuesday night loud and clear.

In a nightmare headline for the aspiring GOP star, the Associated Press penned a piece entitled "Republicans, Democrats Criticize Jindal Speech" that opened with these decidedly tough lines: "Insane. Childish. Disaster. And those were some of the kinder comments from political pundits about Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and his response to President Barack Obama's speech to Congress on Tuesday night."

Yow!

Others, however, have defended Jindal insisting that the speech may not have scored all that high on the style meter (we have long believed Jindal's biggest hurdle at the national level is looking presidential not boyish) but it was a clear argument for core conservative principles.

Which side do you take in the great Jindal debate? The comments section is open for business.

By Chris Cillizza  |  February 26, 2009; 9:34 AM ET
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Sarah Palin, Piyush Jindal, Rush Limbaugh.

A bunch of know-nothings are now the face of the Republican Party. Problem is that you need more than the swing shift at Hormel to win an election.

And I have to laugh at the cluelessness, as though the essence of Obama's victory is that he's non-white. So Republicans prop up a woman and an Indian who don't believe in evolution and choose a fat drug addict as their standard bearer.

Good luck with that.

Gee, maybe they aren't being conservative enough.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | March 3, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

debacle, but its all they have!

Posted by: nwsjnky1 | March 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Poor in delivery and substance. claudiatucsonaz

Posted by: claudiam1 | March 2, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I GUESS THE GOP EATS THEIR OWN; FIRST SARAH NOW BOBBY. NO WONDER MCCAIN AND PALIN MISSED THE BIG GATHERING OF THE CLAN.

Posted by: sm98yth | March 2, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Bad stagecraft + Bizarre delivery + Made-up stories = poor reviews

Posted by: JRM2 | March 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

His entrance was like a small boy sneaking around the halls on the day his dad brought him to work.

Posted by: JRM2 | March 2, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"He could have been GOD from Heaven and you guys would have drilled him into the ground."
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Just who are you referring to?, the multiple conservative journalists and politicians who bashed his speech?

Posted by: JRM2 | March 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Jindal's substance was correct. He could have been GOD from Heaven and you guys would have drilled him into the ground. Opps, you people think Obama is GOD. I will not apologize.

Posted by: poptoy1949 | March 2, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Jindal, being touted as an up and coming figure in the GOP, was as unprepared for the national spotlight as...well...as Sarah Palin was for the VP spot on McCain's ticket.

Both are examples of the gimmicks that the McCain, and now the GOP, has resorted to in an effort to "rebrand" the party. It's all about disassociating the public image of the party from the folks who have been in charge of the decision making for the last twenty years or more.

As far as Obama's first days in office, who wouldn't expect to see opinion poll ratings falling when faced with the kinds of decisions that his Presidency is being forced to address. A single individual, even if President, cannot sweep the halls of Washington clear of the favor trading, PAC influence peddling, and wasteful "traditions" that were in full swing long before he aspired to any public office. Nobody expected, or was promised, miracles...just an honest and genuine effort to improve our nation's position in the world, in stark contrast to the Dubya years.

Posted by: Eireboy63 | March 2, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Jindal has neither the rhetorical or oratorical skills of Reagan and Obama. That is a given. His mantra of "Americans can do anything" was a foil that failed. Nonetheless, he made some points that merit attention and should not be discarded due to lack of style. Give him a break, will ya?

Posted by: truthseeker8 | March 2, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

If all anyone is talking about is how you resemble Kenneth The Page from 30 Rock, then you are not in a position to claim your speech clearly articulated any specific position. Style counts. More so when said style is so poor that it overwhelms your message.

At least he didn't look as bad as this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r35ni7WF0dA

But that ain't saying much.

Posted by: hiberniantears | March 2, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Jindal: the King-of-Zouk of politicians.

Posted by: wpost4112 | March 1, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

We Americans are really giving it a shot again. We are trying to get rid of the facetious arguments, the lying, the politicians whose contempt for everyday people was evident in the last eight Republican years. This is a very tender time for the nation. I don't think the Limbaughs, Palins and Jindals are prepared for this. The devil in them is being exposed day by day in the sunlight of this new president. It is about truth telling. It is about moral fiber. And it no longer about rage, chaos, hatred or greed rather it about justice for everyone, not just the well connected industrialists Limbaugh likes to call entrepenours.

Posted by: hrayovac | March 1, 2009 4:16 AM | Report abuse

Well, the stagecraft was awful, no doubt. The rest of what you think depends on what you think of the ideology. I don't have a very high opinion of the current brand of conservatism at all, and Jindal is no better -- and not much worse -- than the parade of blatherers that Republicans -- those 20-30% of the public -- put forward as their models.

But oh, my God, the party that elected Reagan should know how important the stagecraft is. So much of the things conservatives want the public to believe are unpalatable and nonsense besides that it really takes a real actor to sell it. Jindal couldn't sell dry land to residents of New Orleans.

Posted by: jimhass | February 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Republicans just don't seem to have any problem getting in front of America telling blatant lies.

I thought it was sad during the campaign.

Looks like it is still all they got left is hate and lies.

Posted by: JRM2 | February 27, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

C'mon-- every commenter on Fox News panned it. How much worse could it have been?

truly awful.

Posted by: drindl | February 27, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

an interesting article:

Jindal Admits Katrina Story Was False
By Zachary Roth - February 27, 2009, 12:39PM
Looks like the game is up.

Remember that story Bobby Jindal told in his big speech Tuesday night -- about how during Katrina, he stood shoulder-to-shoulder with a local sheriff who was battling government red tape to try to rescue stranded victims?

Turns out it wasn't actually, you know, true.

In the last few days, first Daily Kos, and then TPMmuckraker, raised serious questions about the story, based in part on the fact that no news reports we could find place Jindal in the affected area at the specific time at issue.

Jindal had described being in the office of Sheriff Harry Lee "during Katrina," and hearing him yelling into the phone at a government bureaucrat who was refusing to let him send volunteer boats out to rescue stranded storm victims, because they didn't have the necessary permits. Jindal said he told Lee, "that's ridiculous," prompting Lee to tell the bureaucrat that the rescue effort would go ahead and he or she could arrest both Lee and Jindal.

But now, a Jindal spokeswoman has admitted to Politico that in reality, Jindal overheard Lee talking about the episode to someone else by phone "days later." The spokeswoman said she thought Lee, who died in 2007, was being interviewed about the incident at the time.

This is no minor difference. Jindal's presence in Lee's office during the crisis itself was a key element of the story's intended appeal, putting him at the center of the action during the maelstrom. Just as important, Jindal implied that his support for the sheriff helped ensure the rescue went ahead. But it turns out Jindal wasn't there at the key moment, and played no role in making the rescue happen.

Posted by: LABC | February 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

This was a bad political response. Take the money and prove to the Democrats that you, in your state, can do a better job of spending it and help more people than any other state does in a way that keeps on producing. If you don't take the money, the people suffer and someone else will get it and maybe not use it as well as you could demonstrate. Be the MODEL! Linda Joy Adams aka alexisdaughter

Posted by: LindaJoyAdams | February 27, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The hypocrisy of wanting to run government when one believes government is inherently bad ("This is what I want to do for you... nothing! Do it yourself!") is awful and nonsensical enough, but what made Jindal's speech even worse is that he made up the whole part about him being there in the sheriff story. That's just a blatant lie!

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/jindal_admits_katrina_story_was_false.php?ref=fp1

Posted by: zvelf | February 27, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Jindal's appearance was pathetic. What the Republicans need is style. It was a cold introduction with a very unattractive background. One is tempted to lose interest after such an introduction. If he is to compete against President Obama in 20i2, he would require much more coaching. But, of course, by then he would be 4 years older and so would Obama with even more experience. What happened to him was similar to Palin's flop.

Posted by: cecilarcher | February 27, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I've followed Jindal since he first ran for Governor in 2003. The scary thing is, his speaking style is actually a vast improvement on where he was 6 years ago. I tell my friends in Washington to not underestimate him because he's an Indian guy named Piyush that has the state of Louisiana under a trance, even though his real accomplishments are scant. I don't see why he can't do it on the national level.

With that being said, I really thought Jindal would be the one to offer some different ideas, or at least a different appeal a la Barack Obama. But he hasn't done that, and his speech certainly didn't cease the opportunity. I think he needs to sounds more like Gov. Huntsman in Utah. More biting critiques of the party, and co-opting some more traditionally Democratic ideas. But he risks alienating his far right base in the state if he does that.

His path in 2012 is tough. Look for him in Iowa in 2015. By that point, he can spin "progress" in Louisiana as much as he would like.

Posted by: chilidogger | February 27, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Jindal, to his disgrace, was trying to be Sarah Palin. It won't work Bobby!

The next day Jindal appeared on the Sean Hannity radio show to repeat the inanities of the night before. What a shame that such a promising young leader feels he has to kow tow to Hannity (and by extension,to Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Coulter, Ingram, etc.) But this is the current bankrupt Republican Party. The GOP is now the SOP (Sad Old Party.)

Posted by: rdeger | February 27, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who missed Jindal's speech, here's the transcription:

Hello, and Happy Mardi Gras.
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
But we won't offer any new ideas on how. But, We believe Americans can do anything. What's important is that you know Republicans believe Americans can do anything. They can defy gravity, inflate themselves, swallow entire lakes, leap tall buildings in a single bound, recover from recessions without changing anything, be told the same lie over and over again and begin to believe it, be patronized by being told that they can do anything, and they don't need any help from government.

When Katrina happened, if the government hadn't shown up at all, we would have been just fine thank you.

We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah.
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah
We believe Americans can do anything.
Blah blah blah blah

Thank you.

Posted by: Nemotoad | February 27, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Look for Seth Myers in brownface to play Bobby J on SNL.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 27, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

It was Jindal's own personal info-mercial for 2012. Only thing missing was the set of steak knives.

Posted by: yelenavee | February 27, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Chris, I don't know who these defenders of Jindal are giving him high marks on substance if not style. Most of the critiques I have seen, heard, read about, gigged him on both. Forget trying to develop some half baked apology for this guy on the grounds that maybe he needs to work on his style but his substance score with people. That is just flat idiotic!

Jindal's lame examples of Katrina, and his childish mantra of "government bad, capitalists good" had all of the endeating grace of flatulence at a Papal Coronation. This guy lost on all counts. He looked bad, he sounded worse, and the things he defended were just plain awful!

As for Limbaugh--Anyone with a modest collection of brain cells can see that Limbaugh is worse than an idiot. Quite frankly both he and Hannity are giving off every signal that Obama has them completely unbalance. My God! Those shots of Limbaugh on the cable chat shows show a man who's on the verge of apoplexy! His eyeballs were ready to explode! And Hannity has gone so far off the deep end he is calling for an armed revolt. Of course he won't be anywhere in the forefront. Like Limbaugh, he loves to talk about fighting and war, but they are never around or near where the shooting is.

Posted by: jaxas | February 27, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Definitely NOT ready for Prime Time (or any other)!

Posted by: tsmith3222a | February 27, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Patronizing.
Bereft of ideas.
Bereft of vision.
Pathetic.

Posted by: chessie1 | February 27, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

a truly sad and pitiful performance
the republican party is fast tracked to regional party status
it's as if they simply don't believe the last two election cycles happened
in a national election this guy would be peeled like lousiana shrimp
i guess it doesn't take much to be an"emerging republican leader" these days
sad sad sad

Posted by: bluetr | February 27, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"The election was a disaster for our country. The sooner you move on.org the better you will eventually be. No amount of spin can hide the already sinking titanic."

You back to the Election 2000 nightmare??

Posted by: kreuz_missile | February 27, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Rogers... that's what he sounded like. He spoke as if he was talking to children.

Not to mention the fact that the story he told about the sheriff sounded kinda familiar(Hmmm...maybe the press should do some checking).

Can you picture this guy across from Mr. Putin? I don't think so!

Posted by: magic3400 | February 27, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Debacle, but what else was to be expected? The icing on the debacle cake was blaming hurricane Katrina on government. What Jindal doesn't seem to realize (or perhaps he does, and that is why he looked so uncomfortable), is that hurricane Katrina doesn't highlight the failure of government, but the failure of government in Louisiana and in America. Such an event occurring in the Netherlands, where 60% of the population lives on land below sea level and where the government is extraordinarily competent with respect to infrastructure and civil engineering, is simply not possible. So there you have it. What we need is government run by the Dutch, not by more yahoos from the South.

Posted by: StevenB1 | February 27, 2009 3:33 AM | Report abuse

FYI WASHINGTON POST READERS/STAFF (SPECIAL ATTENTION: BOB WOODWARD)

The following has been posted on the ACLU's "Blog of Rights" in response to an ACLU appeal to the Obama Justice Department to immediately release the Bush administration's secret "torture memos."

It is re-posted here due to the significance of its content -- and with the hope that the mainstream media will WAKE UP to the horror of ONGOING DOMESTIC TORTURE VIA 'PEOPLE-COOKING' MICROWAVE RADIATION WEAPONRY:

***

ONGOING DOMESTIC TORTURE ECLIPSES GITMO IN SHEER SCOPE AND HORROR — AS THESE MEMOS WILL SHOW… IF THEY WERE NOT DESTROYED.

THE MEMOS APPROVED THE COVERT ‘USE’ OF SILENT, INJURY- AND ILLNESS-INDUCING RADIATION WEAPONRY (A/K/A ‘DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS’) ON U.S. CITIZENS DEEMED ‘UNDESIRABLES,’ ‘UNDER INVESTIGATION,’ POLITICAL ‘DISSIDENTS.’

IN OTHER WORDS, BUSH JUSTICE DEPT-SANCTIONED DOMESTIC TORTURE VIA RADIATION WEAPONRY…

…TORTURE WITH HI-TECH, DARPA-DEVELOPED WEAPONS THAT ‘COOK’ HUMAN BEINGS FROM THE INSIDE OUT, LIKE MEAT IN A MICROWAVE.

THIS WRITER IS AMONG MANY, MANY AMERICAN VICTIMS.

WHAT DO GATES (DOD/NSA), KAPPES (CIA), MUELLER (FBI) AND SULLIVAN (S.S.), AMONG OTHER BUSH HOLDOVERS (DHS, DOJ, TREAS/IRS), KNOW ABOUT THIS?

AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT?

HAVE THEY TOLD TEAM OBAMA?

THIS MAKES GUANTANAMO LOOK LIKE A BAD DETENTION HALL BY WAY OF COMPARISON.

***

The Bush/Cheney- initiated American social genocide via silent, covert radiation weapons assaults, terroristic community gang stalking, and “programs of personal financial destruction” continues.

WHO WILL END THESE ATROCITIES? THE TORTURE CONTINUES, TO THIS DAY.

I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. BUT MULTIPLE AUTHORITIES HAVE TOLD ME THERE IS ‘NOTHING TO INVESTIGATE.’

***

FRIDAY IS DAY 39 OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

DO YOU R*E*A*L*L*Y KNOW WHAT YOUR SECURITY MULTI-AGENCY COORDINATION CENTER IS UP TO?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-targets-terrorizes-u-s-citizens
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/domestic-torture-radiation-weaponry-americas-horrific-shame

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://www.NowPublic.com/scrivener

PS — ACLU PLEASE HELP US, THE UNJUSTLY TARGETED AND TORTURED WHO WILL NOT BE SILENCED…

Posted by: scrivener50 | February 27, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

kreuz - you are in serious denial. It is important you move to the next stages. The healing can begin once you face your error. The election was a disaster for our country. The sooner you move on.org the better you will eventually be. No amount of spin can hide the already sinking titanic.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm totally willing to believe that Jindal is a very smart and capable person.

I think it's a sad commentary on the GOP that in order to be taken seriously, a smart guy like Jindal thinks he has to give a speech like that.

I think it's a sad commentary on Jindal that he was willing to do it.

Posted by: nodebris | February 26, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"kreuz- his ratings have already sunk from over 80 to under 60, in one month. Those numbers mirror the Dow- down 20 percent. Annually it is more than 100 percent. At this rate, we will be completely broke by sept. The ghost of jimmah has returned."

OMG!!!! 60% Approval!!!! The Horror!!!

See, I'd be worried if the decline weren't almost exclusively the result of Republicans giving up on a bipartisan approach early and instead opting for obstruction, much as they did with Clinton. That's exactly what the internals of the polls show, and the post-speech poll show him strengthening among both the left and the center.

The issue specific of the economy is more important also than the generic on his overall approval rating. It, too, is holding constant:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116086/Americans-Endorse-Obama-Approach-Wary-Debt.aspx

"Even before he addressed Congress and the nation on Tuesday about his plans for leading the country out of economic peril, President Barack Obama was enjoying solid public support for his work to date. For instance, 59% of those surveyed in a Feb. 20-22 USA Today/Gallup poll said Obama is going at about the right speed in addressing the nation's problems. This was little different from a month ago."


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"Those numbers mirror the Dow- down 20 percent."

I knew you were bad with economics, but I didn't know you didn't know how to do math, either. Technically, going from 80% to 60% is a 25% decline, and the Dow meanwhile is down about 9.7%(1-7182.08/7949.09), largely because we're still dealing with worse than expected job and housing reports thanks to the Bush Depression. Heep using that Dow as a marker though, we'll readress in August when the recovery kicks in and you're forced to look for a new metric to cast gloom and doom on things.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | February 26, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

...and the Bush/Cheney- initiated American social genocide via silent radiation weapons assaults, terroristic community gang stalking, and "programs of personal financial destruction" continues.


FRIDAY IS DAY 39 OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

DO YOU R*E*A*L*L*Y KNOW WHAT YOUR SECURITY MULTI-AGENCY COORDINATION CENTER IS UP TO?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-targets-terrorizes-u-s-citizens
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/domestic-torture-radiation-weaponry-americas-horrific-shame

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://www.NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | February 26, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

kreuz- his ratings have already sunk from over 80 to under 60, in one month. Those numbers mirror the Dow- down 20 percent. Annually it is more than 100 percent. At this rate, we will be completely broke by sept. The ghost of jimmah has returned.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

As someone born in India and brought to this country as a boy by my parents, I don't believe the line about Piuysh's dad telling him that "americans can do anything."

Well, my dad came from India with a top-notch PHD in Physics from and Indian University and straight to a post-doc at Cal Berkley.

I'll bet he doesn't have to look more than a couple of blocks from that Baton Rouge Mansion of his to see "extreme poverty."

He is nothing but a syncophant for Barbour and Rush.

Living out west, Jindal is one "slumdog" that wont' hunt here.

Posted by: Shaun-kar | February 26, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not Jindal was clearly stating core conservative values, reciting Republican gospel to the choir is not what the Republicans need.

Ideologues of any stripe don't control the electorate. It's the vast number in the middle who are in control. The Republican gospel does not play with those in the middle now. The only reason Democrats didn't take overwhelming control of the Senate in the election is that only one third of the Senate seats were up for election.

Democrats have just one Republican-held seat to bag for 60-40 majority in 2010 and currently it appears they may get more than that with veteran Republicans retiring to leave some good pick up possibilities.

Jindal is attacked not only on "style" but even some Republicans noted there was no new substance to his speech. If he is representative of a new emerging leadership, then he demonstrated he had nothing to offer the American independents but the same tired old neo-con rhetoric the GOP has been reciting since the 1980s.

The GOP is still in the wilderness. They don't get it.

Posted by: AlaninMissoula | February 26, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The powers that be (behind the scenes) in the GOP are trying to change their "promotional" face, in the wake of the Obama landslide.

It started with the appointment of former Maryland Lieutenant Governor Michael Steel's designation as GOP national chair. They then followed up by designating another GOP "minority" star, Governor Bobby Jindal, Louisana's freshman governor, to be the on-air "con" man after Barry's state of the union speech.

Both moves have or will implode because the strategy is nothing but rank, amateurish patronization that every 4th grader in Louisana immediately understands... for its hypocracy! The only time that a hard core GOPer has use for a minority person is when he/she is picking cotton out in the fields of the deep south or when they need a stooge.

You "boys" better get over to Miami and get your heads together with your leader, Uncle Rush, and the Newt man, to see what you can come up with next. Simply whining about the fact Obama has had to come in and clean up the mess caused by your 8-year ripoff of the American middle class, is just not going to cut it....

Git moving now!! GeeeEEEE! HawwW!

Posted by: dickhealy | February 26, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

The powers that be (behind the scenes) in the GOP are trying to change their "promotional" face, in the wake of the Obama landslide.

It started with the appointment of former Maryland Lieutenant Governor Michael Steel's designation as GOP national chair. They then followed up by designating another GOP "minority" star, Governor Bobby Jindal, Louisana's freshman governor, to be the on-air "con" man after Barry's state of the union speech.

Both moves have or will implode because the strategy is nothing but rank, amateurish patronization that every 4th grader in Louisana immediately understands... for its hypocracy! The only time that a hard core GOPer has use for a minority person is when he/she is picking cotton out in the fields of the deep south or when they need a stooge.

You "boys" better get over to Miami and get your heads together with your leader, Uncle Rush, and the Newt man, to see what you can come up with next. Simply whining about the fact Obama has had to come in and clean up the mess caused by your 8-year ripoff of the American middle class, is just not going to cut it....

Git moving now!! GeeeEEEE! HawwW!

Posted by: dickhealy | February 26, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

heehee.

Is Jindal considered like, a really smart guy in Louisiana??

Says alot about the school system...

:=)

Posted by: toritto | February 26, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Opinion? Of course, but why throw gasoline on a burning fire. Jindal's an inferno!

Posted by: micatxpaca | February 26, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"Obama affirmed that he will support big tax increases on the richest 2 percent of American families. Disregarding the fact that these households already pay upward of half of the income taxes, while earning only a quarter of the national income, he singled out the entrepreneurs, professionals, innovators and businesspeople of America for taxation. But he won't raise taxes until he's had a few years to stimulate the economy. He makes one feel like one of the huge hogs in the Chicago stockyards, being fattened up to slaughter the next year."


It's like 1993 all over again, when Clinton did the exact same thing (to the exact same rates that Obama is proposing...):

"They will remember who let loose this deadly virus into our economic bloodstream."
- Rep. Robert Michel (R-IL), Los Angeles Times, 5/28/93

"I believe this will lead to a recession next year. This is the Democrat machine's recession, and each one of them will be held personally accountable."
- Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), GOP Press Conference, House TV Gallery, 8/5/93

"Do you know what? This is your package. We will come back here next year and try to help you when this puts the economy in the gutter."
- Rep. John Kasich (R-OH), 8/5/93

"This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy."
- Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), 5/27/93

"...(the Clinton plan) will stifle economic growth, destroy jobs, reduce revenues, and increase the deficit."
- Rep. Jim Ramstad (R-MN), 3/17/93

"The impact on job creation is going to be devastating, and the American young people in particular will suffer a fairly substantial deferment of their lives because there simply won't be jobs for the next two to three years to go around to our young graduates across the country."
- Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX), CNN, 8/2/93


Man, those Republicans sure know their economics. Remember how horrible the 1990s were in economic terms?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | February 26, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

"Probably not. Obama will likely not succeed. This speech will be viewed as his high water mark..."

Dude, you've declared like three of his past speeches to be high water marks, sounds to me under that logic like things are steadily getting better...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | February 26, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

wiener -

Mayor Nagan and the previous governor, who were in place during Katrina, would also be considered government by most persons. And, yes, who need stink'n government like that.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

The question was about the Jindall speech, not Obama. The fact that so many people ignored the question to focus on Obama really tells the story. The Republican response speech is usually a snoozer, but more people watched curious about Jindall. His big moment in the sun and it was a total mess. The moment he sorta sashed down that corritor you knew it was poorly staged. Then, the style, oh my..30 Rock Kenneth and Mr Rodgers. The substance: convoluted. Part 1 : I am Obama too. Part 2: Louisiana and Katrina somehow added up to model govt in action. Part 3: We dont need no stinkin' govt. Please note: I clarified what Jindall said, it was actually very bizarre in parts and hard to figure what the heck he was doing.

Posted by: wernier | February 26, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

King -

The laws of untended consequences will also go into effect with the huge tax increases. For one the "rich" will no longer be able to give or give as much to charities. As you know charities help the poorer segments of society. Also the boomer generation will be a lot poorer and this fact will place an even greater financial burden on the younger generations. But it's all worth it to hear a great speech by a demagogue and experience the tingle.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama affirmed that he will support big tax increases on the richest 2 percent of American families. Disregarding the fact that these households already pay upward of half of the income taxes, while earning only a quarter of the national income, he singled out the entrepreneurs, professionals, innovators and businesspeople of America for taxation. But he won't raise taxes until he's had a few years to stimulate the economy. He makes one feel like one of the huge hogs in the Chicago stockyards, being fattened up to slaughter the next year.

Can all this work? Can Obama get banks to lend even as he terrorizes them? Can he get the engines of our economy back to work even as he announces that he will take away more of their earnings? Can he persuade the American people to accept bureaucrats deciding their health care choices? And can his economic stimulus survive a huge increase in the payroll tax on the most productive citizens?

Probably not. Obama will likely not succeed. This speech will be viewed as his high water mark, the time before we came to realize how flawed is his understanding of economics and how supreme is his commitment to expanded spending. It will be seen as a sort of age of innocence before we realized what he had in mind. But it was a great speech ... while it lasted

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"To be fair, the new president cannot be blamed for all of this—but we were led to believe that, as soon as the election was over, things would begin to get better."

Actually, that promise was not made. Given the Bush yardstick, President Obama has at least until mid-September before he has to take responsibility for anything. Following that example, the new President should schedule a monthlong vacation in August now, and be ready to hit the ground running in September - October at the latest - when he can start gradually taking responsibility for the direction of the country.

Posted by: bsimon1 | February 26, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

STRONG EVIDENCE OF GOVERNMENT PRIOR RESTRAINT AND CENSORSHIP OF POLITICAL BLOGS ON THE WEB

A chronicle of ONGOING apparent constitutional rights abuses by government surveillance spies who also are exercising PRIOR RESTRAINT and CENSORSHIP:


http://blog.aclu.org/2009/01/26/internet-filters-voluntary-ok-not-government-mandate/#comments


How long will President Obama tolerate the abuses that we expected to bring to an end?


***

Team Obama: Yes, you can. But WILL you?

And if not now -- when?

Posted by: scrivener50 | February 26, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

America was led to believe that the answer to all of our problems was just an election away. No matter what your problem, no matter what your need—the wonderful One would grant your every wish and fulfill your every dream. Well, we’ve arrived at the Emerald City and in just a few weeks we have already discovered that the man behind the curtain may not be all he claimed to be.

We were promised a new era of integrity in government. We’ve already received a steady stream of scandal. We were promised unprecedented openness and transparency; we’ve received secret Executive Orders. We were promised porkless fiscal responsibility; we’ve received the biggest spending scheme in American history filled with earmarks and political paybacks. Since the inauguration, the stock market has increased its rate of plunge. The auto industry is even closer to collapse. More banks have been placed on the possible failure list, unemployment has increased, the rate of company closings has increased and more states are on the verge of financial collapse (especially Kansas).

We were promised a new era of peace; violence is up in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The man behind the curtain is not the Wonderful Wizard America expected. To be fair, the new president cannot be blamed for all of this—but we were led to believe that, as soon as the election was over, things would begin to get better. We’re seeing the opposite. The Wonderful Wizard is not so wonderful—and that is only beginning!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"leapin writes
"The only person that wouldn’t appreciate a tax cut is 1) independently wealthy 2) on the dole or 3) a liar.""

This is essentially the same argument that Bush used to defend the ouster of Saddam Hussein. Yeah, without context, its a good thing that Hussein is gone. Within context, you see a country that has descended into a hellish civil war as well as a haven for terrorist organization.

Sure, I'd love a tax cut. Even a 100% tax cut. Hell, GIVE me money. However, for those who are smart enough to look at things in context, we can see why these upper class tax cuts aren't a good idea.

Context matters, people.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Jindal thinks AMERICA IS IN 4TH grade.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | February 26, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The messenger is irrelevant. Just as Obama waltzed into office by claiming to be "Not Bush", when this cycle is over and the Carteresque malaise and misery have set in, mickey mouse can run as "not Obama" and win.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Did anyone notice the irony of a Governor whose state is so dependent on the services of the National Weather Service saying that the monitoring of other potential disasters (volcanoes) was a waste of money?

How did no one catch that before he said it on national television? Did they all agree with the sentiment? If so, what does that say about the short-sightedness of Republicans these days?"

The volcano thing was on the list of Republican talking points circulated a few days prior. Same with the Vegas to Disney line. However, I don't believe any other Republican talked about the volcano thing. (They all are talking about the Vegas thing. Can someone point out to me where it is? I can't find it.)

Posted by: DDAWD | February 26, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat, however, I wanted to hear and see what Jindal had to say. After all having diversity in another party is a good thing.

When he walked out I said aloud, "Oh God - why did he come come from behind something and why does he have all that stuff distracting him - winding staircase, etc."

I listended to the whole response and was stunned that he is considered the future of his party. A lot of his talking points didn't make sense. Why would a LA Gov. not want money for volcano warnings - that was strange and then to reference Katrina -stranger and his father paying for his birth over time - stranger still.

It was truly strange no matter what party you're affliated with.

Posted by: rlj1 | February 26, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

DEBACLE AND DISASTER!!! THIS WAS ONE OF THE WORST SPEECHES!!! And He wants to run in 2012? IT AIN'T HAPPENING! JINDAL HAS ZERO PERCENT % CHANCE AGAINST OBAMA PERIOD!
JINDAL KILLED HIS CHANCES WITH THAT HORRIBLE SPEECH. One critic said he might be better to try to run in 2036. Republicans are SERIOUSLY digging themselves in a DEEP hole politicaly.
Republicans also need to stop going against our popular President on his agenda, it will continue to hurt them badly. I see the Republican party dead for a LONG..... TIME.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | February 26, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.

$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$550 billion: U.S. Defense budget

Posted by: atsegga | February 26, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Yea, Jindal supposed to be this brainiac smart guy. Try using the vocabulary of a high-school graduate, and talking to me like I'm a reasoning adult smart-guy.

If you think we can do Aannyytthhiinngg - then end poverty. Then I'll be impressed.

I heard nothing to dispel my concern that Jindal isn't a stealth Evangelical. With Palin you know what you're getting and she's a lock on 25%. Each election win is to her credit.

There's still too much sentiment that "if we say and do nothing maybe we pick up the other 26% due to the ebb and flow of public opinion." So there's no real urgency. The unholy alliance of Libertarian's and Social Conservatives hasn't yet played out.

Posted by: DonJasper | February 26, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The speech doesn't really matter at all. All he has to do is promise to get rid of the tax increases and he's in. Obama has set himself up..all of the upper income people will pledge money and support..now that the horse is leaving the barn.

Posted by: newbeeboy | February 26, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

leapin writes
"The only person that wouldn’t appreciate a tax cut is 1) independently wealthy 2) on the dole or 3) a liar."

Leapin, while I appreciate tax cuts, I also understand that a tax cut represents a loan to myself that will be paid back via future tax hikes. Perhaps they will be applied to my income one day, perhaps to my children's.

Personally, I would rather see sane budgetting that does not rely on borrowing money to meet the normal operating budget. Borrowing for long-term capital expenditures (bridges, buildings, etc) is acceptable.

My point is that while I selfishly like tax cuts - as you say, who doesn't? - I'm also smart enough to know that expecting both tax cuts and government services is irrational, delusional, short-sighted and unpatriotic.

Posted by: bsimon1 | February 26, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"I still have trouble buying Jindal's point that the botched Republican administration's response to Katrina is a reason to trust Republicans more."

They think that because that line of reasoning worked once before, they'll get away with it again. Think about it: the modern conservative movement came about because of the ascendence of Reagain in 1980. Lots of Republicans credit Goldwater with laying the foundation, and to a large extent the economy helped out, but the real catalyst was Watergate. Watergate broke people's fundamental trust in government, and made it easy to blame the government from that point on for virtually everything and played right into Reagan's core message. It didn't matter that a Republican administration was the culprit.

I think that's waht they're betting on, and in this set of circumstances, it's a sucker bet.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | February 26, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"why must any smart republican that i might actually support suddenly become such party hardliner?"

Because they get sucked into the national GOP establishment and are forced to dringk the Kool Aid. Compare Palin's performances in her debates in Alaska with her on the Presidential stump. Look at Jindal on the national shows just last week. The national GOP gets a hold of their rising stars, rescripts them with the generic GOP message, and they fall completley apart.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | February 26, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The debacle wasn't simply in the style (although that was bad enough -- the Mr. Rogers approach, the childish tone, the inane "Americans can do anything" refrain, the Mardi Gras intro -- all made it difficult to take seriously.)

The real problem was the substance -- the governor of a state that has taken billions in federal assistance to rebuild after Katrina (the failure of his Republican party's President) now has the nerve to go on national television and deliver a speech attacking government spending in response to an (economic) disaster.

Jindal was particularly tone deaf to cite Katrina as an example of why the federal government is bad (as opposed to recognizing that most people wanted a more robust federal response, not a lessor one), and claiming that volcano monitoring is wasteful lacks credibility coming from the state that best showcases the need for better preparedness for natural disasters.

Jindal offered no alternatives, no solutions -- instead he threw out a tired and discredited mantra of "government/bad, free market/good", while combining snide attacks on the stimulus with empty bromides about "Americans can do anything."

The American people have seen the tragic consequences of Jindal's approach -- the disregard for government that results in collapsed levees and the stranded poor people, the hands off approach to the market that created the credit crisis, the objections to public spending that have produced crumbling outdated infrastructure, a fetish for the free market in health care that leaves 44 million uninsured, and an economy in free fall.

Faced with these circumstances, Americans are looking to their government to lead the way to recovery and repair -- something that Jindal and the Republicans completely ignore.

That is why the Jindal speech bombed -- he failed to speak to the realities of the lives of Americans today, and that irrelevance made it impossible to take seriously.


Posted by: terje1 | February 26, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

maybe it's fine that the style wasn't that great (our last president got two terms despite his problems with the english language). but what's jindal's argument? build the private sector with tax cuts? how does that draw down the deficit and get closer to a balanced budget/surplus (the goal if you're a fiscal conservative)?

tax cuts don't take care of all the entitlement programs and spending on the wars in iraq and afghanistan (which are just two example of huge government expenditures). does jindal support privatizing social security and throwing old folks to the mercy of insurance companies? i'm pretty sure no one thinks social security accounts would be better off today if they were 401Ks.

so, i just don't see what the argument is. and if there is no agument, all that's left is style, and pretty much everyone agrees that this speech lacked it.

david brooks got it right: "this is a disaster for the republican party." they can take their seat next to the whigs.

Posted by: plathman | February 26, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"but it was a clear argument for core conservative principles."

This is exactly what made it a debacle. Beyond the horrible stagecraft, it was tone deaf to what is going on in the country today. He is calling for the government to get out of the way at a time when the perception of economic collapse is all around and the American peopple are crying out for action.

This is what made the Katrina story (beyond the fact that the anecdote was a lie, Sheriff Lee gave an interview gave an interview saying he didn't know about the boat problem 'till a week after the fact) so bad: There are some things that the people want the governemnt to be able to do. People distinguish between the incompetent bureaucrat at DMV who makes their day hell and the disaster management professionals who are supposed to perform in those circumstances. He sees all government as bad, and sees Katrina as vindication that the answer is less government, when virtually everyone else reached just the opposite conclusion.

This is the fundamental GOP's prroblem, they are wedded to an ideology that has been shown to be clearly flawed. What they should be doing right now is arguing for a massive short term stimulus, almost as large in scope as Obama and the liberal Dems, but write it as a short term, high payoff investment plan with a specific expiration date that leaves no lasting government footprint, so that when this crisis is over and the economy expands again, we can return to their small government principles.

The problem, this would be admitting the government has a legitimate role to play, which they just can't accept. So they continue to harp on tax cuts and spending cuts, and push themselves further into political obscurity.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | February 26, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I still have trouble buying Jindal's point that the botched Republican administration's response to Katrina is a reason to trust Republicans more.

Posted by: bpai_99 | February 26, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The only person that wouldn’t appreciate a tax cut is 1) independently wealthy 2) on the dole or 3) a liar. If I didn’t cover all possible cases then I should point out that one can send cash or checks to the US Treasury to increase their contribution and service to the nation.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Guarantee a permanent Republican Minority. Jindal/Palin or Palin/Jindal (doesn't matter) 2012. Vote for No for Recovery!

Posted by: thebobbob | February 26, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Someone as smart and talented as Joe Biden could be speaking and if he wasn’t a demo he would be panned on this forum. What’s interesting is if a speech is bad you would think that is condemnation enough and wouldn’t think people would need to get personal with remarks on looks, etc. You would think in the Obama post-racial era that people wouldn’t need to make racial remarks either.

Posted by: leapin | February 26, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

why must any smart republican that i might actually support suddenly become such party hardliner? if this is the highly intelligent technocrat im supposed to vote for in 2016 to make small incisions and minimal corrections to the obama era's excesses (there will be some), then count me out. i don't want this 'destroy' gov't, tax cuts this, tax cut that as my president.

Posted by: lupercal | February 26, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Jason - I missed that you had already answered Blarg and mentioned Webb.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 26, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

David Brooks called Jindal's positions on government as the bogeyman "insane" and an "unmitigated disaster." See it at Charlie Rose's website. I did not think it was quite that bad. But knowing that Jindal is a smart guy, too smart for that presentation and that message, your word "debacle" fits. The Rs must provide an actual alternative to remain viable and to be taken seriously by anyone not already in the choir.

Blarg - I have only seen one passionate oppo to a presidential address that caught my attention. If you saw Jim Webb a few years ago you will remember, too.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 26, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

In terms of style (the kind you recover from), he wasn't too impressive. The only reason he sucked was because he was following Obama, who speaks less like a one-dimensional politician than a real, thoughful person. Other than that, his style is just standard politician style. It's why no one listens to a politician.
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The reason everyone piled on is because of the substance. i think folks at foxnews compared the two, were expecting his biting jabs at obama to reinvigorate them a la sarah palin, and they just realized that they've really been relegated to a second-class rank. although he kept repeating like an automaton that 'americans can do anything', his speech reflected a certain nihilism that just didn't cut it. They need new material.
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Personally, i'll go with david brooks who summed it up best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Oj6CCzbPQ
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And if you don't believe me when i say that this was the wakeup call, read karl rove column yesterday. I know...it's worth it though. here's the link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123561484923478287.html
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the only reason these argument might gain some traction again is if obama overreaches. i think he just might with the budget he just proposed. if obama's smart, he'll release what his budget would have been had he kept the same bush gimmicks. and he needs to do so quick, because he budget doesn't feel like fiscal responsibility to me. so he needs to talk to us.

Posted by: lupercal | February 26, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Jindal's fellow conservatives, discerning his limited appeal, pushed him front and center to get him off the "A" list of 2012 GOP contenders. In that respect he's the Dennis Kucinich of his party.

Posted by: oldmagnolia | February 26, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Your headline should really have been:

"The Jindal Speech: Debacle or Disaster?"

Posted by: rashomon | February 26, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The DOW and other benchmarks look at the business environment and the potential for business to prosper in the future.

>>>>>>>>>>..

quire right and the verdict on the messiah is in. complete and total failure leading toward a catastrophe. the most spending in the history of the world. no one is surprised. next up big tax increase. free college, free doctors, free housing.

Any of you still with jobs better find a way to do without so that the preferred class can do with - YOURS!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

know a token when we see one.

Posted by: GabsDaD


>>>>>>>>>>>>..

and you elect him. too bad about the utter lack of qualifications.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Heehee.

Jindal made McCain look like Winston Churchill.

If the election were held today the GOP would go down to an absolute crushing defeat. They have dug the hole deeper since November.

It would be nice it they got back in touch.

Posted by: toritto | February 26, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

He was an awful combination of (a) patronizing and (b) incomprehensible. Conservative positions seem imminently reasonable against the backdrop of liberal excesses (see: 1980s). Against the backdrop of W, they just sound moronic.

I still don't understand how he got suckered into this speech. Speaking after Obama is bad enough. Trying to rehabilitate a party now synonymous with incompetence and corruption was a task best left to someone with nothing to lose. Put a retiring Senator out there to tsk-tsk his own party for helping to create this mess. Until Republicans have that moment -- some sort of symbolic repentance -- they are going to find themselves in the same position Democrats did for years and years: just waiting for the other guy to screw up enough so that you become palatable again.

Democrats proved that can be a long and disastrous wait.

Posted by: starthom | February 26, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

JasonL_in_MD writes
"Did anyone notice the irony of a Governor whose state is so dependent on the services of the National Weather Service saying that the monitoring of other potential disasters (volcanoes) was a waste of money?"

I'll take the Jindal defense here. What I heard from the Governor was a criticism of the stimulative effects of the volcano monitoring. While I agree that he probably should have found something else to criticize, I think there is a valid argument to be made: Funding of volcano research should be part of the budget, not part of a 'stimulus' package.

Posted by: bsimon1 | February 26, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't aware there was a "debate" about Piyush Jindal's performance, much less a "great" debate. Jindal bombed. Nobody, 'cept maybe King of Kook, is saying otherwise.

Howard Kurtz reports today in the Post that democrats and republicans alike thought he was a complete disaster.

Piyush walked out to the podium creepily, he made up facts (his Katrina yarn appears made-up), he affected some strange southern drawl (from South India maybe?), he used Katrina as a case against government help (what??), and he talked in a goofy, sing-songy, Mister Rogers cadence that was bizarre.

Even veteran BHO haters Juan Williams and Laura Ingraham thought he was just awful.

Mr. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, your 15 minutes are up.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 26, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I think my favorite dumb comment was Jindal's criticism of volcano monitoring. I live in Oregon and we have three active volcano's within 50 miles of where I live. The Cascades are dotted with them. Some are rather famous - Mt. Rainier (yep, an *active* volcano), Mt. St Helens, the Sisters ( a huge bulge has formed in the past year and an eruption will occur when????), and a bunch of unnamed smaller ones. We don't have decent monitoring right now and an eruption of the ones next to say Seattle or Anchorage or Eugene or Portland would likely kill more than 10,000 people and cause economic damage in the hundreds of billions. A monitoring system would save most of those lives and lessen the economic impact. It makes you kind of wonder what that moron Jindal and the inbred fools who elected him would think if we called for removing hurricane prediction/projections from Louisiana as a boondoggle. It, afterall, costs way too much money and we would all do better off with few rednecks, crooks, and the inbred twits that compose so much of that regions population.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | February 26, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that he shouldn't be a "star" in the first place. Republicans have vaulted him to the head of the class for the same reasons they vaulted idiot's like Palin, Steele and Clarence Thomas...it is a rich white man's club, so they search for the only color, minority or woman in the party to try and prove they are something else. The problem is the pickings are slim in these categories in their party so they end up with morons to represent the party. They would do better to acknowledge they are a rich white boys club, pick the best in the party and just say to the public that rich white men do it best.

Posted by: huangagain | February 26, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Has anyone ever given a good State of the Union Response?" -Blarg

Senator Webb did a fine job.

Did anyone notice the irony of a Governor whose state is so dependent on the services of the National Weather Service saying that the monitoring of other potential disasters (volcanoes) was a waste of money?

How did no one catch that before he said it on national television? Did they all agree with the sentiment? If so, what does that say about the short-sightedness of Republicans these days?

Posted by: JasonL_in_MD | February 26, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The speech was GREAT, I think he & Sarah should be the leaders in 2012, one without an ounce of sense (well both) & the other seeing Russia from her State. Together with Joe the worthless as their press guy they could be the 2012 ticket for a party that deserves them. GREAT job Bobby, you & Sarah should keep up the good fight to be the new eaders of the party, keep it up & with luck in 2010 we will be working for 70 seats not 60 in the worthess Senate.

Posted by: MrReal | February 26, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Naw, it was pretty miserable in style and content. But clearly the guy has plenty of time to bounce back.

The bigger question, imho, is this: why is it that every time a creative-thinking, seemingly honest player begins rising out of the GOP, someone advises them to start behaving like a disingenuous panderer? These advisors need to be muzzled. Or Jindal needs to take some initiative and simply ignore them....

Posted by: yammy517 | February 26, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

King_of_Zouk is the King of fools. The DOW is forward looking, but it doesn't look at politics, at least not in the way he suggests. The DOW and other benchmarks look at the business environment and the potential for business to prosper in the future. That environment was set by the former King George, and the Republican ship of fools.
Jindal, if he wants to be a player, should disgard the GOP playbook as written by Boner and McConnell, and take a lesson from Obama. Success lies in charting his own course, perhaps against GOP conventional wisdom and deciding what HE brings to the table that would be attractive to America. If he is just a fresh face on old elitist ideas, he won't go far. We know a token when we see one.

Posted by: GabsDaD | February 26, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

nrudy writes
"king_of_zouk - what a ridiculous statement."

nrudy, you must be new. The Junior Fix babbles more coherently than King of Zouk.

Posted by: bsimon1 | February 26, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The speech was full of Republican lies. It also looked like a job interview for Gov. Jindal. Period.

Posted by: dantevaz | February 26, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

quite the contrary blarg. I think academy award losers should be given rebuttal time.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone ever given a good State of the Union Response?

Jindal's speech was poorly staged, badly presented, and lacking in content. But was it really worse than previous responses? Kaine's response was dull, and I can barely even remember previous responses. Maybe the SOTU response is just a bad idea.

Posted by: Blarg | February 26, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Some try to minimize the significance of stagecraft, but stagecraft really does matter. Start from the beginning of his performance. Wandering down that hallway, with his head cocked to one side set the scene with a decided deficit of credibility. He lost it right then and there. (At least he wasn't wearing Fred Rogers' cardigan!) And the delivery - probably effective with second graders . . .

Now, on to content. There was an abundance of pre-non-sotu chatter about what the President was going to say. Why in the world did Jindal go back and pretend that the debate on Stim was still going on? It's over! The bill was passed by both houses and signed into law. Get over it, Bobby! And then to bring up the federal governmental response to Katrina . . . twice . . . Huh?

Jindal's speech wasn't just a debacle, it was an embarassment!

Posted by: sjlouzos | February 26, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If these are their best ideas -- forget the messenger for a moment -- the GOP is toast.

Posted by: umprof | February 26, 2009 10:13 AM

I agree. Besides the fact that it was 10 minute Jindal 2012 promo, the Republicans continue to miss the point.
They need to better understand how they were defeated the past couple of Novembers. So far they are only dealing with the symptoms, not the root cause. They are a party of old white guys who don't use the internet as well as Democrats. So, they seem to believe they can insert random minority and promote the same ideas. Republicans believe the reason they were taken behind the woodshed this past November was because the Democrats had better or hipper websites.
Want proof, Check this out:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/19/steele-gop-needs-hip-hop-makeover/

The real cause is bad candidates and ideas that don't connect to voters. The Republicans will continue to be the minority if they don't find better candidates to unite under better ideas and connect with voters.

Posted by: jnoel002 | February 26, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

the Dow, which is forward looking, reached it's high right about when peloony took over. It's been all down since the libs took over and accelerating with the accendance of the one.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk - what a ridiculous statement. For six of the past eight years the Republicans controlled congress and the White House, and for the past two they controlled the White House. The Dow closed lower at the end of those eight years than it was at the beginning.

That's just to say that blaming the fall of the dow on "lib governance" is kind of stupid.

Posted by: nrudy | February 26, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The 2012 Republican race remains wide open. He is not their saviour

Posted by: RickJ | February 26, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"but it was a clear argument for core conservative principles." I didn't find it to be particularly clear. His comments about Katrina undercut what he thinks conservatism is good for, and the tax-cut mantra leaves so much unexplained: how do conservatives think the mechanism of tax cuts helps everyone, how exactly do they support small businesses?

So Jindal's speech may have been a clear repetition of conservative principles, but not a clear argument in their favor.

Posted by: akwhitacre | February 26, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Some critics are over-emphasizing his delivery which (a) could be improved and (b) wouldn't matter if the substance had been better. But all he had to offer on behalf of the GOP was some very tired rhetoric, made even worse by cherry-picking government programs to criticize that were either non-existent (mag-lev to Las Vegas again! WTF!!) or actually useful (volcano monitoring:Jindal::fruit fly research:Palin).

If these are their best ideas -- forget the messenger for a moment -- the GOP is toast.

Posted by: umprof | February 26, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Good rule of thumb --

If the side that the speaker is on is unable to defend the remarks as anything other than so-so, then it's a debacle.

Recall the half-hearted attempts by conservatives to defend Sarah Palin's Couric interview.

Posted by: dfsweeney | February 26, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Jindal wasn't ready for prime time. He should quickly make lemonade out of the lemon and do the Comedy Central mea culpa tour. America's contemporary political history is filled with bad speeches by good politicians. The really good ones have the ability to turn it around. In conclusion, Bill Clinton at the 1988 Democratic Convention.

Posted by: tobetv | February 26, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations on your new baby.

Posted by: evietoo | February 26, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The Fix asks, amidst a sleep-deprived stupor:
"The Jindal Speech: Debacle or Decent?"

If we needed further evidence of the sleep-deprivation you're suffering, your question surely qualifies as such. To be clear: it was a debacle.

Posted by: bsimon1 | February 26, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Chris: The Jindal question has been asked and answered.


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URGENT TO: PRES. OBAMA, VP BIDEN

cc: ATTY. GEN ERIC HOLDER; DOD SEC. ROBERT GATES; DHS SEC. JANET NAPOLITANO; DNI DENNIS BLAIR; CIA DIR. LEON PANETTA; FBI DIR. ROBERT MUELLER; TREASURY SEC. TIMOTHY GEITHNER

RE: Ongoing BUSH-CHENEY JUSTICE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL OF RADIATION WEAPONRY USE (read: TORTURE)...

...on "TARGETED" U.S. CITIZENS -- including those deemed "UNDESIRABLES" and POLITICAL "DISSIDENTS"...

... and associated "PROGRAMS OF PERSONAL FINANCIAL DESTRUCTION"

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Silent, injury- and illness-inducing, potentially lethal radiation weaponry and devices ("Directed Energy Weapons") are being used by security/intel/law enforcement operatives...

...via their nationwide vigilante "Extrajudicial Punishment Network"...

...to inflict pain upon, and to degrade the health of, innocent but "targeted" U.S. citizens in communities across America...

...with the apparent knowledge of local law enforcement -- whose officers believe they are "covered" by supervising federal agents.

These covert assaults are facilitated by "organized community gang stalking" units whose citizen vigilantes are recruited from the ranks of federally-funded volunteer organizations; local public safety departments; community policing groups; public safety retirees and government/municipal employees; and their families. These gang stalkers are make surreptitious entries of private homes, and commit various acts of vandalism and physical and psychological harassment.

It appears that this system of extrajudicial targeting and punishment, justified as "intelligence-based policing," is directed by federal and local officials representing multiple agencies.

WHEN WILL BARACK OBAMA AND ERIC HOLDER RESTORE THE RULE OF LAW IN BUCKS COUNTY, PA, PHILA., NYC, D.C. AND ALL ACROSS AMERICA?

President Obama must issue an IMMEDIATE series of executive orders banning the Bush-Cheney "extrajudicial punishment vigilante network"...

...and its array of coordinated government "programs of personal financial destruction" -- one of the root causes of the global economic crisis that began with a meltdown of the home mortgage market.

THIS IS AN AMERICAN SOCIAL GENOCIDE.

Sen. Leahy's "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" is needed.

But first, President Obama, Vice President Biden and Atty. Gen. Holder, you must act to end these crimes against humanity and unconstitutional abuses of power. And bring to justice all of those who are responsible for this national disgrace.

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IT IS DAY 38 OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

DO YOU R*E*A*L*L*Y KNOW WHAT YOUR SECURITY MULTI-AGENCY COORDINATION NETWORK IS UP TO?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-targets-terrorizes-u-s-citizens
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/domestic-torture-radiation-weaponry-americas-horrific-shame

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):
http://www.NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | February 26, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

another day. Another 400 billion wasted. Another tax increase. Another executive stump speech full of empty promises and bold faced lies. Another 200 points off the Dow. In short, lib governance.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 26, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh, it was much worse than "debacle." You know it's a mess when RNC chair Mike Steele says that Jindal was just "OK."

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | February 26, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

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