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Obama's Muslim Speech: First Thoughts



President Obama speaks in Cairo this morning. Getty Images.

President Obama delivered his long awaited speech in Cairo, Egypt early this morning, calling for a "new beginning" to relations between America and the Muslim world and seeking to emphasize the common ground and shared values between the two.

You can read Obama's full speech or watch it -- all 55 minutes worth -- online. (God bless the Internet.)

The Fix did both and our initial thoughts on the address are below. This is a speech that will be analyzed and re-analyzed in the days, weeks, months and years to come so do yourself a favor and read the whole thing.

Have thoughts of your own on the address? The comments section awaits.

Areas of Agreement: The president has built his political and policy successes on the idea that even among those who disagree most vehemently, there is a kernel of common ground that can be found and built upon. Obama has used this approach to effectively address major hot-button issues like race and abortion stateside, and put it to use again this morning by working to convince the Muslim world that its own values are not so different from those of America. Early in the address, Obama noted that "all of us share common aspirations" including the desire to "live in peace and prosperity" and to "love our families, our communities and our God." He added: "These things we share. This is the hope of all humanity." Obama's entire political career -- from his time in the legislature to his short stint in the Senate and then the 2008 campaign -- is defined by this "more light, less heat" approach. It's worked for him so far but convincing the Muslim world to trust America and vice versa is a much thornier task than even turning down the volume on the abortion debate.

Laying Down a Marker: At 6,100 total words and 55 minutes long, this was a speech meant for history not for the moment. Put another way, Obama's speech today was meant to lay out his broad philosophy about the future of American-Islam relations -- from dealing with terrorists, to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to the possibility of a nuclear Iran -- rather than offer a series of specific proposals about how to create a better and deeper understanding between the two sides. It's an approach Obama has used before on domestic issues: he has laid out the same sort of non-specific vision for the economy and national security in lengthy speeches on each subject in recent months. Perhaps seeking to pre-but his critics, who have latched on to the idea that Obama gives good speech but his actual policies are either vague or wrongheaded, the president said today that: "Recognizing our common humanity is only the beginning of our task. Words alone cannot meet the needs of our people." The goal of this speech -- and the others like it Obama has given -- is to set a general course on the direction of relations between America and the Muslim world without offering specific instructions on how to get from point A to point B. Obama believes that on the most difficult of issues -- foreign and domestic -- that rolling out specifics on the front end gets in the way of true compromise and forward movement. That approach will be tested domestically on health care this fall.

A Confident President: Given the level of mistrust toward Islamic countries within the United States, delivering a speech in Cairo in which the president said he saw it as his "responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear" shows the level of confidence he has in his ability to persuade. It's almost impossible to imagine a president -- even Obama -- giving this sort of speech within a year (or so) of running for reelection, not because the content was that controversial (it wasn't) but rather because it gives political enemies lots and lots to shoot at on a very controversial subject. But, riding high in job approval ratings, trusted by broad swaths of the American public and three and a half years from his 2012 re-election race, Obama felt confident enough in his standing to deliver a speech that he knows will be picked apart and analyzed by political friends and foes for years to come.

Breaking from the Past: Knowing how unpopular former president George W. Bush's approach to foreign policy was in the Muslim world, Obama sought to make clear that his administration was taking firm steps to offer a clean break from the ways things had been done. While calling the terrorists attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 an "enormous trauma" for the United States, Obama added that the "fear" and "anger" it provoked "led us to act contrary to our traditions and our ideals." Obama also referred to the war in Iraq as a "war of choice" (contrasting it with the conflict in Afghanistan) and added that the Iraq situation should serve as reminder to American of the "need to use diplomacy" and "build international consensus" to solve conflicts. The message was clear: I am not George Bush and it is a new day in how America views its roll in the world.

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 4, 2009; 12:33 PM ET
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I have read a great deal of the negative comments on this blog and its quite disturbing to me that people would like other civilizations to hate us because they are different from us, President Obama is trying his best to change the image of our country to the muslim world to simply take the fire from the violent extremists, to make it impossible to recruit more people to there sick cause and kill more innocent people, as an american born muslim I honestly don't see any wrong with that picture, I'am a firm supporter of Isreal but the Palestinians deserve there owned state as well its only fair, both sides needs to come to the table and resolve this conflict once and for all and be responsible grown-ups.

Posted by: rashakur382004 | June 8, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

You do your best to hang with chrisfox8 and the others here. It sometimes takes a while for reason to soak into the minds of brain washed heathens that know little reality but what their liberal dictum allows. The speech did have several good points so Barry must have had a better, more intelligent conservative writer to handle it for him this time and all his teleprompters worked so there were no problems in being able mouth the words correctly.

He almost sounded like he meant what he said but that would be expecting a little too much from the Obamanation. I barely read the commentary on the Fix because I really only enjoy hearing the whining and mewing from the liberals crowing about their illustrious messiah/ leader and the daily injustice life provides. Maybe they will reach puberty and even grow into adults some day. Well later guys, I always feel like I need a shower after visiting this site.

Posted by: longbow65 | June 6, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Yeah the KKK was 85% Democrat back in the day, that was before LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. Why don't you go read a book yourself?

"reteric" Jesus

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

i can not believe there can be this much stupidity,no,ignorance is a better word.
israel has allways been there for america. they are our only re inforcement, and the far left media,as well as public education has indeed suceeded in making so many people ignorant of the truth. why do you israel bashers not just go to a library,and get a real history book,and read,learn the truth before you go running off at the mouth,and showing how you are predudice against our friends,who may not be our friends if this kind of brainwashed
reteric keeps flowing from your ignorant outbursts.
you are the same fools who keep saying right wingers are the ones who are predudice,while the right wingers sit calmly,listening,waiting for the day black americans realize that the kkk was made up of over 85 percent democrats. stats you conviently forget.
the jews,or whatever racist name the ignorant has for them these days,have no reason to want trouble in the middle east. they have had at their disposal nukes,and fighter jets,tanks,and sophistocated weapons for years,and the only time they strike is when the safty of their nation demands it. so code pink,the frustrated loons can yell their ignorant crapola and the weak minded can listen and beleave everything they hear,but the truth remains,that the vast majority of american jews helped get your messiah elected,and he is throwing them under the bus in his reachout for muslims. they were not so smart.traitors eventually do have their day.

Posted by: silusdogood | June 5, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

The "good guys" don't fire missiles into heavily occupied apartment buildings at dinnertime because an informant says there's a terrorist inside, and then look the world in the eye and say "Israel does not intentionally target civilians."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

mockingbird (and many, many others) complain about the possibility of Iran constructing nuclear weapons, but Israel has set the precedent for the region. They allow no inspections and no transparency. So if I was over there in Iran and I knew, that this little country had nuclear weapons aimed and ready to fire at my country, I believe, that I would want some too. Oh, but the Israelis are the good guys! MAYBE TO US, but they don't have nuclear weapons aimed at us. Israel giving up its nuclear weapons would be the best bargaining chip for dealing with Iran. Otherwise we're just hypocrites and the whole world knows it.

Posted by: terrazygotes | June 5, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow. What a lovely thread. I am reminded of why I have always been an incredible skeptic of the blogosphere. I think I am going to become a more active contributor to WaPo from now on.

Anyway, nodebris, I liked what you said about the silent majority. I think that was the main goal of the speech.

My main concern is that this speech will be THE strategy of the Obama foreign policy instead of part of an overall strategy to reassert U.S. leadership internationally. While I do not feel the president went on an "apology tour," I do not believe that this speech alone or the sentiments behind it will be an effective mindset to promulgate throughout the world. I am hesitant to address "the Muslim world," because our interests and our relationships vary so greatly from country to country. Iran is a Muslim country just as much as Egypt, but Egypt is one of our closest friends, is mostly Arab and Sunni, whereas Iran is one of our most threatening adversaries, is mostly Persian, and mostly Shi'a. To group those countries together in the same speech and lumping them together as "the Muslim world" does not do us any good. We need to understand the differences and use them to our strategic advantage whenever possible.

The conciliatory tone of the speech is a positive, but unless that conciliation is coupled with a tough strategy position, the hype will wear off and we will not have reasserted our leadership throughout the world.

Posted by: LeroyPancakes | June 5, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Won't work there either, there'll just be more people ignoring you

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Hearing none, I will gladly move on to the next thread.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't look like it. Maybe you better try to write something less blatanly idiotic if you want people to respond. Begging for attention will only get you the wrong kind, if any at all. Poor fellow. Hope my retirement is a lot more interesting than this ....

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

... thereby taking a fictitious revisionism about the military success of the surge off the table, leaving the GOP sputtering to find another phoney issue to rile up the rubes. And the stupid goopers don't even see how cleverly they're being out-manipulated.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

(of course, you will also have to debate more than just me)

"The [Iraq] surge succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."

~ Barack Obama September 4, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5wKsGzxkiE

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Squealing for attention won't get you any. You have to write something that isn't completely ridiculous, then people will respond without your prompting. No amount of begging will get attention from people who long ago concluded that the writer is a fool

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

If anyone else (who actually answers MY questions to them) wants to discuss Iraq, let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Israel apologist extraordinaire has his undies in a bundle over Obama's call for Israel to end the settlements.

One can recognize genius by all the dunces arrayed against it. Go, Obama!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Gee maybe if we'd gone after "the enemy" instead of gambling away the rent money on the folly in Iraq we'd be a lot more secure. Y'think?

Someone run the "no WMDs over here" video again.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Kili:

That's a big IF. More likely is that Obama switching from offense gives the enemy just enough opportunity to re-group and hit us even harder. Maybe instead of 3,000 innocent civilians being killed, it will be 300,000 (biological attack) or 3 million (nukes).

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone ever invoked a "right to exist" in connection with any other conflict, any other country, anytime, anywhere? I find the concept the height of ridiculousness. Does a stone have the "right to exist?" A species? A people?

Like so much in discussions around Israel, an exceptional and logically askew position prevails; Israel has some right to plant settlers on land that doesn't belong to them and anyone who doesn't agree can only be a vicious murderous racist.

Does Israel's "right to exist" mean the the USA is required to support Israel to the tune of billions of dollars per year, loads of advanced weaponry, unconditional support in the UN, and turning a blind eye to barbaric attacks on civilian populations?

It's just grotesque. Cut them loose.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Gosh, it would be nice if Chris and UHCN found another forum to spar. But, I might know UHCN? Runs a well followed web site in Europe, written some books that have been well accepted?

Anyway... I have truly enjoyed Obama's approach of finding points of agreement in an effort to break through ossified arguments. Then again, I was born and raised in the U.S. I have many friends and colleagues from Iran, Turkey, Egypt and Israel (I'm a professor). Political discussions with these friends have always been eye openers for me. In the U.S., Obama might be able to lead us away from the culture wars. In the Middle East, I fear the best he can do is reduce the demonizing of us. If that reduces the chance of terrorist attacks against us, I'm all for it.

Posted by: Kili | June 5, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Not interested in your view of the situation, troll.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Syria is an exporter of terrorism.

Israel is a tiny country surrounded by large, oil rich countries that have vowed to "drive Israel into the Sea"

If Israel were ever to be overrun by the Arabs, it would mean the end of the State of Israel and six million men, women, and children.

That's between a third and a half of all the Jews in the world.

Israel has the right to exist.

So do the people in it.

Chrisfox8, your posts provide the strongest argument for supporting Israel that there is.

Because people like you just don't like Jews and would like to see us all drop dead.

Chrisfox8, believe me, the feeling is mutual.

We're sick and tired of anti-semites like you.

So is the rest of America.


Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Why the hell should I or any other American care any more about Israel than about, oh. Syria? Why should Israel get all the special consideration? What have they done for us? They cost us plenty, they spy on us, the screw with our elections, they cost us endless grief in foreign relations, I don't get it, I think we should just cut them loose.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 2:10 AM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 --

You're amazingly ignorant with respect to the middle east.

Israel is the only modern, secular, state.

Israel is the only country in the middle east that has freedom of religion.

Israel is the only country in the middle east that treats women as the equal to men, not like seond-class citizens, property, or animals.

Israel is a lot like the USA is almost every aspect.

The Arab countries are very, very, different, and not in positive ways.

Islam has forced conversion and "Holy War" against anyone who will not convert as its core.

Islam's explicit goal is the complete domination of the world under Sharia law.

Arabs treat women like dirt, cut off people's heads, and kill each other, sunni and shiite when they aren't killing Americans like they did on 9/11.

Arabs have the most repressive and corrupt governments on the planet.

Arabs have thousands of times more land than Israel, with trilliions of dollars of oil under it.

But all Arabs care and think about is killing Jews and destroying Israel.

Even if there was no Israel, Sunni and Shiite would kill each other. Even if there was no Israel, Arab Islamic extremists would still use terror against Americans.

The Arabs attacked the USA on 9/11, not the Jews.

People like Chrisfox8 get that reversed.

Call it "moral dyslexia"

They get the good and bad guys reversed all the time but feel sure that they're right.

They support the people who attacked the USA on 9/11.

We support the USA.

That says it all.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Yeah and they're the only country that has no need for bathroom fans because they have fragrant feces. Save it. You're a GOP troll.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 2:06 AM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 --

You're amazingly ignorant with respect to the middle east.

Israel is the only modern, secular, state.

Israel is the only country in the middle east that has freedom of religion.

Israel is the only country in the middle east that treats women as the equal to men, not like seond-class citizens, property, or animals.

Israel is a lot like the USA is almost every aspect.

not.

Islam has forced conversion and "Holy War" against anyone who will not convert as its core.

Islam's explicit goal is the complete domination of the world under Sharia law.

Arabs treat women like dirt, cut off people's heads, and kill each other, sunni and shiite when they aren't killing Americans like they did on 9/11.

Arabs have the most repressive and corrupt governments on the planet.

Arabs have thousands of times more land than Israel, with trilliions of dollars of oil under it.

But all Arabs care and think about is killing Jews and destroying Israel.

Even if there was no Israel, Sunni and Shiite would kill each other. Even if there was no Israel, Arab Islamic extremists would still use terror against Americans.

The Arabs attacked the USA on 9/11, not the Jews.

People like Chrisfox8 get that reversed.

Call it "moral dyslexia"

They get the good and bad guys reversed all the time but feel sure that they're right.

They support the people who attacked the USA on 9/11.

Rather than the USA.

That says it all.


Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 2:04 AM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 --

You're amazingly ignorant with respect to the middle east.

Israel is the only modern, secular, state.

Israel is the only country in the middle east that has freedom of religion.

Israel is the only country in the middle east that treats women as the equal to men, not like seond-class citizens, property, or animals.

Israel is a lot like the USA is almost every aspect.

not.

Islam has forced conversion and "Holy War" against anyone who will not convert as its core.

Islam's explicit goal is the complete domination of the world under Sharia law.

Arabs treat women like dirt, cut off people's heads, and kill each other, sunni and shiite when they aren't killing Americans like they did on 9/11.

Arabs have the most repressive and corrupt governments on the planet.

Arabs have thousands of times more land than Israel, with trilliions of dollars of oil under it.

But all Arabs care and think about is killing Jews and destroying Israel.

Even if there was no Israel, Sunni and Shiite would kill each other. Even if there was no Israel, Arab Islamic extremists would still use terror against Americans.

The Arabs attacked the USA on 9/11, not the Jews.

People like Chrisfox8 get that reversed.

Call it "moral dyslexia"

The get the good and bad guys reversed all the time but feel sure that they're right.

Even when they support the people who did 9/11.

Rather than the USA.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Muslim society perfect? Whatever are you talking about? Muslim society is only a few generations out of the Bedouin. It's savage and backward.

But the region has legitimate grievances against Israel and the ancient irrational hatreds have been supplanted by contemporary and real ones.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Well, I'm going to bed. UniversalHealthCareNow has moved into the realm of self-parody, unable to answer any honest question, merely repeating a set of non-sequiters copied from some web site.

I'm settled in my mind on that one: conservative troll who thinks Jews are idiots. Not a mistake a real Jew would make.

Bad troll. Not at all skillful.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Twig it, UHCN.

Israel is just another little Middle Eastern country. It's less secular than a lot of them. It has the temerity to compare itself to wester-style democracy but it is officially apartheid and has prominent members at the top of its government who have openly called for the expulsion of manty of its citizens because of ethnic differences.

Just like so many little Middle Eastern countries, Israel has a lot of religious insfluence in its operations, with the most extreme versions of the religion holding more sway than the moderate views held by the majority.

Oh, but it's not the same religion as the other little Middle Eastern countries. It's easy to forget that though.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 wrote: "And call it propaganda but I don't see Arabs stealing other peoples' land and saying that doing so is their birthright."

Well, maybe you should talk to the tribes of Southern Sudan or the East Timoreans before you go too far here. And I'm sure there are a number of Arabs who would gladly take Israel and claim it as their birthright.

Let's not counter the claim that Israel is perfect with a suggestion that Muslims are perfect. They ain't. But the settlements are illegal and in no way are they in America's interest.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

If the American public get the idea that Democrats are people like Chrisfox8, we Democrats are toast.

The damage of being associated with terrorists and/or Neo-Nazi's is beyond measure.

Don't forget how popular Bush was right after 9/11, and how quickly all of that changed.

When people like Chrisfox8 say

"The only people who think Obama is "tone deaf" about that little apartheid state are people who thing being Jewish is a license to steal other people's land."

They out themselves as Jew-haters.

Nobody with any self-respect wants to even get near people like that.

As a Democrat, I'm sorry to say that we've seen the President's popularity peak and its starting to drop.

Both Jews and Christians feel that he went back on his promise to us to support the State of Israel.

The Arabs have the biggest PR machine in the world, funded by endless oil money.

All Israel has to counter-balance that is the support of Jews and Christians in the US.

American people of faith will never forgive a President or Political Party that abandons Israel or stabs it in the back.

If Chrisfox8 is the Democratic Party, then Democrats will drop to single digit support.

Its time to chose.

Democrats can have Jews and Christians or people who hate Jews and Israel.

They can't have both.

Democrats need to decide what their beliefs are.

If they believe that Jews are bad people, it does't make any sense for us to stay in the party.

It they believe that Israel should cease to exist, or act that way, they'll lose Christians too.


Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't think you're a Democrat either, UHCN. Most Democrats have a more nuanced set of beliefs about Israel, even Jewish Democrats. The idea that Israel is entirely exempt from any criticism and can only be judged by a very strictly set of rules (which is to say, not at all) is pure neocon. And neocons are all Republican.

Who's "outed" now?

And call it propaganda but I don't see Arabs stealing other peoples' land and saying that doing so is their birthright.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

UniversalHealthCareNow,

I'm not sure why Obama has to reassure Jews and Christians -- what has he done to cause doubt? Polemics aside.

If by "reassure" you mean approve of west bank settlements, well, I don't think that will or should happen. It has always been the policy of the U.S., that the settlements are illegal -- you're aware of that? True, a lot of presidents prefer not not to talk it up. But they're illegal, the only ones who think otherwise are the settlers.

If your faith in Obama and the Democratic Party pivots on that one issue, again, change your screen name. You should be "WestBankSettlementsNow." Or "BombIran."

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Who are these people so concerned about Obama's commotment to Israel? Even much of Israel's opwn population wants the settlements stopped. Obama is going to drive a wedge betwen Netanyahu and the Israeli peace movement and force the right-wing SOB out of office.

The only people who think Obama is "tone deaf" about that little apartheid state are people who thing being Jewish is a license to steal other people's land.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

nodebris --

That's simply not true.

I'm a loyal Democrat.

I still strongly support the President.

But I am worried about his policies in the middle east as are millions of other Jews and Christians.

I come to praise Ceasar, not to burry him.

I like President Obama a lot, but he's been incredibly "tone deaf" to the concerns Jews and Christians have about him with respect to Israel.

It also gives the Republicans ammo to bring back their false claim that the President is a Moslem.

President Obama needs to re-assure Jews and Christians.

Otherwise he may have just ruined everything for Democrats.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm reluctant to do this, because it's easy to call someone a troll. But UniversalHealthCareNow sure seems a conservative partisan pretending to be a jewish progressive so that he can smear someone without evidence.

An unheard of strategy, from the GOP, I know.

If I'm mistaken, I'm sorry, but if it's untrue UHN ought to consider what it is about his/her discourse would make someone even think that.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

I don't get it, Universal, how is this not a "normal" comment site? I think anyone can see how uh relaxed are your criteria for a charge of anti-Semitism. It's either that or the neocon "Israel can do no wrong" approach. Sorry, ain't buying that, but it's clear you do, and clear how well it's working for you. Just read your own posts on this page, behold the tape-loop repeition. You're a fanatic.

I mean Jesus dude just go to The Fix archives, this and WHW are the only places I post. Find the "anti-Semitism," you've had time to search all the way back to this web site going online while you've been demanding I do your work for you.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

nobebris --

I'm thrilled with the President in pretty much every other issue and respect.

I'm concerned that he's letting Iran finish its Nuclear Weapons Production Line.

Iran's set up for the mass production of weapons-grade U235.

They've got 7,000 centrifuges, each as tall as a man, running 24/7.

Iran and Saudi-backed Arab extremists want to kill large numbers of Americans.

President Obama has taken his "eye off the ball" on both universal health care and the middle east.

The Iranians are a lot like Hitler in terms of both anti-semitism and desire to control the world.

Its a lot better to be Churchill than Nevile Chamberlain.

Islamists want to convert the whole world to live under Sharia law or to destroy it.

They think that will get them into heaven.

I don't want them to have a bunch of nuclear weapons, or to become the Walmart of the Atomic Bomb Business.

I like President Obama a lot, but he's done a lot of damage to my opinon of him.

I'm extremely sorry to have to say that, but its the truth, and if its happening to me, its happening to millions of Jews and Christians across America.

It could cost Democrats everything.

If President Obama doesn't stop Iran, that may all be moot anyway.

None of us will be alive to argue about it.

It will only be a matter of time.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 1:23 AM | Report abuse

nobebris --

I'm thrilled with the President in pretty much every other issue and respect.

I'm concerned that he's letting Iran finish its Nuclear Weapons Production Line.

Iran's set up for the mass production of weapons-grade U235.

They've got 7,000 centrifuges, each as tall as a man, running 24/7.

Iran and Saudi-backed Arab extremists want to kill large numbers of Americans.

President Obama has taken his "eye off the ball" on both universal health care and the middle east.

The Iranians are a lot like Hitler in terms of both anti-semitism and desire to control the world.

Its a lot better to be Churchill than Nevile Chamberlain.

Islamists want to convert the whole world to live under Sharia law or to destroy it.

They think that will get them into heaven.

I don't want them to have a bunch of nuclear weapons, or to become the Walmart of the Atomic Bomb Business.

I like President Obama a lot, but he's done a lot of damage to my opinon of him.

I'm extremely sorry to have to say that, but its the truth, and if its happening to me, its happening to millions of Jews and Christians across America.

It could cost Democrats everything.

If President Obama doesn't stop Iran, that may all be moot anyway.

None of us will be alive to argue about it.

It will only be a matter of time.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 1:23 AM | Report abuse

UniversalHealthCareNow,

If you cannot present a single example of chrisfox8 being an anti-semite, you've hardly outed him.

In fact, you are being the lowest sort of person.

Shut up until you can prove your accusation, or I'll accuse you of being a child rapist based on evidence I'll provide later.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

You've been outed as an anti-semite.

I'm looking forward to reposting some of your "greatest hits" the next time you post in a normal article and I can access your comments history.

Chrisfox8, you are a rabid anti-semite.

God exists.

You'll find out the hard way eventually.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

UHN,

I guess we travel in different circles, because I'd say at least 1/3 of my close friends are Jews and they are universally very happy with Obama. Typically, when I hear someone talking about Obama becoming the very face of intolerance, they're a Republican. So what you say isn't fitting into my experience very well. I'm not sure what to do with you.

I'm wondering if you can separate health care from the issue of Israel? I'm not really sure I understand why health care reform in America depends on our relationship with Israeli settlers. If you feel strongly that it does, maybe change your pen name to better represent your views.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

So I'm blocking universal health care now. I wonder if Obama will mention me in one of his speeches?

Good grief, Universal, get over me. You bluffed, you lost, learn and move on.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

nodebris --

I'm worried about the future of universal health care.

President Obama has given Republicans the perfect "Wedge Issue"

If the voting public gets the impression that people like "Chrisfox8" are the Democratic Party, Democrats will lose both Jews and Christians.

President Obama swore and down during the campaign that he'd support Israel as strongly as the Republicans if not more so.

Jewish-Americans are the most loyal Democrats there are and we feel royally screwed.

People like Chrisfox8 could easily destroy President Obama's momentum and with it his presidency, the Democratic Party, and any chance of universal health care passing.

President Obama should be focusing on Universal Health Care, not screwing over Jews and Christians.

We care a lot about Israel.

Its our holy land.

Jewish-Americans feel like the President and the Democratic Party lied to us, used us, and threw us under the bus.

Jews are very angry with the way we've been crapped on by our fellow Democrats.

Amd 2010 isn't far away.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

To me, the middle east has the same problem that the american media and this blog suffer from:

The jerks drive the conversation.

I think that Obama's brilliance will prove to be that he has discovered the true "silent majority."

What amazes me about him is how he resists being a jerk. I find that participating in these open conversations drives me towards jerk-hood. It does most people. Politicians especially. Obama does an amazing job of resisting that, and I think it's the source of much of his appeal. Because most of us (jaked excluded) aren't really jerks, we're just worked up, and don't really like being worked up.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

For years, you've posted some of the the most vile anti-semitic hate speech seen on these or any other boards.

==

Link?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

For years, you've posted some of the the most vile anti-semitic hate speech seen on these or any other boards.

You're deeply in love with the sound of your own voice.

At some point you'll post in a normal article and people will be able to see your comments history.

You show up on google, but not for the things you claim and not your WP comments page.

You don't appear to be a very interesting person and you're clearly not a very intelligent one.

Dr. Darwin will be by to collect you directly.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

For years, you've posted some of the the most vile anti-semitic hate speech seen on these or any other boards.

You're deeply in love with the sound of your own voice.

At some point you'll post in a normal article and people will be able to see your comments history.

You show up on google, but not for the things you claim and not your WP comments page.

You don't appear to be a very interesting person and you're clearly not a very intellient one.

Dr. Darwin will be by to collect you directly.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

UniversalHealthCareNow (long name! hard to type!),

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I have to go by what I've seen with my own eyes. I've read chrisfox8 whacking badly on the settlers, and you accusing him of racism based on that. If you give me a link, I'll reconsider. But I'm not going to consider someone a racist just on your word.

I'm also a big fan of Universal Health Care, by the way. Maybe we'd be more productive focusing on that conversation.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Read his comments history.

See for yourself.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow

==

Why don't you post a link to it for him?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Universal, if you weren't just a pompous gasbag you would realize that everything anyone needs to evaluate my "anti-Semitism" can be found right here on this page, and I'm not even talking about that elusive link that has you sitting there stymied.

Nodebris nailed it; recognizing the raw wrongness of the settler movement doesn't have squat to do with bigotry nor with annihilating Jewery nor with recognizing Israel's bloody right to bleedin' exist. Those are dodges thrown up by one-issue fanatics like you to change the subject.

The settlements are THE issue, they are unjustifable and they are illegal squatters and among the most extreme ideologues on earth. Until Israel faces this reality there will be no peace and Israel will have no security.

Now pull that ring coming out of your chest and respond with your standard dumb post

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

nodebris --

Chrisfox proves my point but take a look at his comments history to really "browse his soul"

Its pretty ugly.

Its the soul of a true bigot.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

@nodebris: if he discovers Google he can read my reviews on Amazon, my wikipedia entries for quantum chromodynamics, and my discogs contributions. Might take him a while to get to my WaPo page that way though

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

nodebris --

The next time Chrisfox8 posts in a standard article, click on the link to his WP comments page.

Its not about "the settlements"

Chrisfox8 just doesn't like Jews in general.

That's the definition of an anti-semitic racist.

That's Chrisfox8.

Read his comments history.

See for yourself.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"Nazi's" is possessive. The plural is "Nazis."

See previous post re: getting something right.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"Semitic" is a proper noun. Why don't you get something right just once. Then years from now you can harken back to this day and say "on June 4 2009 I did something right."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 reminds me of why I don't miss Nazi's.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

UniversalHealthCareNow,

Complaining about the settlers is no more anti-Semitic than complaining about the GOP is anti-American. Don't be one of those.

BTW: Have you considered Google?

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Universal reminds me of why I don't miss vinyl LPs

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

"Osama" is mad, Bibi is mad, Rush is mad. Good point, nodebris

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

Like all racists, you run away in fear when one of your would-be victims stands up to you.

You are a rabid anti-semitic bigot.

Your own posts prove it.

So does your unwillingness to post a link to your WP comments page to allow the people reading here to see for themselves.

Chrisfox8 -- You are a racist anti-semitic bigot.

QED -- Case Closed.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line, this was a fine speech.

I find it fascinating that there are three groups who don't like it:

1) The American religious right

2) The Israeli religious right

3) The Islamic religious right

My kind of speech, that pisses off all three at once.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm not posting a link to my personal WaPo page. If you don't know how to get to it you shouldn't have made so much noise about my "thousands" of "anti-semitic" (sic) posts. Silly blustering fool.

You can save all the rest.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

You're gone beyond self parody and now you simply soil yourself in public.

Post the link.

Let the people reading this read your posts and decide if you're anti-semitic or not.

Stop stalling.

Post the link.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Heard it all already, Universal, just like last time. Same little canned speech with the same cutesy-terse delivery. Yawn. Save the emotional BS for someone who gives a crap, I've debated better than you, and you never did answer me about the settlers and you won't because I'm right.

You can assert repeatedly "the settlements are a red herring" and spackle in the cracks in your argument with dodges about bigotry, but nobody not a shameless Israeli apologist agrees with you. The settlements are THE issue.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

You're not fooling anybody.

Post the link.

The soul of the young Jewish Girl, Murdered in India, simply fo being Jewish, thst little "Anne Franke", wants to see it too.

So does everyone who hates racism and wants to see it and racists exposed for who and what they are.

Chrisfox8 -- Post the link.

Your evasions aren't fooling anybody.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: "if you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one."

I knew jaked would eventually use the Tiller shooting to further discredit himself. How could he resist?

Looks to me like he's claimed to be 77 in 2008, so he may be a Korea vet. Sad, that.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Nuclear power plants aren't cheap but they're not so expensive if you don't design each one separately, with custom manufacture of each and every seismic-graded component. US nuclear plants were always separatelty engineered

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

We Jews don't control anything or have anybody fight our battles for us.

We defend ourselves because the last time we didn't the Nazi's almost wiped every last one of us off the planet.

Chrisfox8, your posts, and hate speech of other anti-semites like you, lead to the murder of innocent children, like the beautiful little girl who should have grown up to marry and have children of her own, but had the misfortune of being born Jewish in a world where Jew-haters like you are allowed to spread your cancer, and she was murdered in cold blood.

Just because she was Jewish.

Arab terrorists attacked the US on 9/11 and mass-murdered over 3,000 Americans.

Arab suicide bombers pack themselves with nails to maximize the pain and death the cause when they blow themselves up in resturants, on busses, or in crowds.

Arabs hate and murder each other.

Every day in Iraq, Sunni's and Shiite's mass-murder each other in mosques and at funerals, just like they have for thousands of years.

Just like they will forever.

Even if there were no Israel and no Jews, Arabs would still attack America and murder Americans as well as each other.

The problem is the Arabs.

They murder as easily as they breathe.

The rest of us have the right to live our lives in peace.

Its simply insane to think that the victims of terrorism should apologise to their murderers and quietly die for their pleasure.

We won't.

God Bless America. God Bless the holy land of Israel.

Thats what

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

bsimon wrote: "Speaking of Iran, while it is a bit surprising that they import refined fuel rather than building their own refineries, its not the dumbest thing in the world to focus on exporting oil rather than consuming it domestically - it is an enormous source of foreign currency."

Nuclear power plants aren't cheap either, especially when you are starting all the way back at fuel processing R&D.

Posted by: nodebris | June 5, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Jesus God I give the poor dumb brute two solid hints and he's no closer to the web page he was beating his chest about. Don't you know anything?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Riddle me this, Universal .. when you click on a link, what are you doing? Is this any different from a saved bookmark?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

"We Jews don't control the world."

==

No but you want others to fight your battles for you, and you need help from the guy you're threatening to "expose" before you can "expose" him.

Next time don't make threats you can't fulfill and try to hide it with BS about "dignifying." I can always spot a liar.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

JakeD --

I must be slow today. I typed chrisfox8 into the search box right above Chris Cillizza's head, hit return, and it searched for that word in the WP's stories.

Chrisfox8 claimed you could get to any WP user's "WP Page", the one with the home, photos, messages, comments, and profile tabs.

Are you saying that I can do that with the search box?

What am I missing?

Thanks!

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Yawn. Same old BS. Yadda yadda arab PR yadda yadda anti semite yadda yadda Israel wants peace yadda yadda yadda.

You're still a retard.

And no the search button isn't it

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 5, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

UniversalHealthCareNow:

Since he's gone, try the "search" box above Mr. Cillizza's photo in the upper left corner.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

Your repeated evasions prove that you're afraid of people deciding for themselves if you're an anti-semite or not.

You've wasted far too much of my and everybody's else's time and "lost by forfet"

I've got real work to do and you've outed yourself as the anti-semite you are.

Your WP account should have been removed for hate speech long, long ago.

Its pretty amazing that the WP feels that the kinds of posts you make are something that they want to have their name associated with.

Tf the WP reads through the list of comments you've made over the years there's not a sane reason in the world for them to let you ever make another post on the WP's boards again.

Chrisfox8, you're a rabid anti-semite that promotes and spreads hatred of Jews.

Anti-semitism is racism.

Racism is wrong.

Its not very complicated.

Unless you're a bigot.

I hope the WP takes action against the anti-semites on these boards and shuts off their use of the WP as a megaphone for hatee speech.

Hate speech leads to the murder of Jews.

Just like what happened in India.

Just like what almost happened in NYC.

Hate speech isn't harmless.

It leads to the murder of Jews.

And we're sick and tired of our kids having to live under world-wide death sentence "pronounced" by Islamic fanatics, Neo-Nazi's and every other flavor of Jew hater and Jew-hater wanna be.

We Jews don't control the world.

But we do live here, just like everybody else.

We, America, and Israel have the right to exist and to live our lives in peace.

In America and Israel, people have the right to practice their own religion, or to choose to have none at all.

The Arabs want to force the entire world to practice Islam, live under Sharia law, and throw away a thousand years of art, science, and freedom.

Americans and Israeli's have the right to say NO!

Do you Arab supporters understand that?

The Arabs have thousands of times more land than Israel and trillions of dollars of oil under it.

Yet all they and their supporters think about is killing Jews and Americans and destroying Israel and America.

They won't.

America and Israel will exist long after they have turned to dust.


Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 5, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

See you tomorrow, Universal. Here's a link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9810243316/ref=ox_ya_oh_product

But this is the book I'm curling up with tonight, not the one you can't figure out how to get to

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

(*hr0nk*)

don't think he can figure it out ....

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

(whistles dodecaphonic melody)

Gonna ask nice? It's REALLY simple

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

OH-WAH

TAAGU

SIAM!!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

God doesn't answer, huh? Pity!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 --

You're wasting everyone's time.

Post the link.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Apologize for profaning my grandmother's memory and for calling me an anti-Semite and I'll tell you how to do it

Otherwise you can GFY

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Flies, honey, vinegar

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 --

You keep avoiding the question.

I'm calling your bluff.

Also, tell people reading this how to get to any WP user's WP page without a link to it.

It would be the first positive contribution you've ever made to these on-line forums.

Usually all you do is spread hatred of Jews.

I'm calling your bluff.

Post the link.

Or post specific instructions on how to get to your or anybody else's WP comments page rather than calling anybody who doesn't know how to do it a fool.

It only shows that the fool is you.

Chrisfox8, you're a bigot.

I'm calling your bluff.

Post the link.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, I don't write HTML. I'm a C/C++ programmer but I don't need any of that to navigate a web page. The missing piece that has you sitting there with your thumb up your nether regions is dirt-simple and you're going to feel like an idiot if I elect to tell you.

Deservedly so.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Apologize for profaning my grandmother's memoruy and for calling me an anti-Semite and I'll tell you how to do it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Most anyone who wants to peruse my posts can do so. Has done so, if they cared.

You've posted repeatedly that I've done thousands of vicious anti-[S]emitic posts but hastened to add that you're not going to dignify them by reposting them.

Well it wasn't fear of dignifying them that held you back, it was your cartoonish incompetence.

I am on a laptop with no mouse attached, and I can go to any user's web page using a link on this one. Including users who haven't posted here.

Get it, genius? You're not calling my bluff, I'm calling yours.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

Not the kernel.

That was Ken.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 --

You keep avoiding the question.

Post the link.

There is no link to "chrisfox8" on this page clickable by my and lots of other people's browsers, so there's no way to reach your comments page.

If there's another way to get there from all browsers, spit it out, fella.

I'm calling your bluff.

Post the link.

What are you afraid of?

The Truth.

People can see you're trying to avoid giving them a chance to see for themselves what kind of guy you are?

What are you afraid of?

Post the link.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Sure you did. You wrote the UNIX kernel and you're completely helpless on a web page.

All that big talk, all that bluster and hot air, and look at you, swirling the mouse cursor around the screen and unable to make good on your big scary threat to "expose" the "rabid anti-semite," but you need my help first?

Well you're not getting it. Why don't you ask "God" to impart some Chosen People wisdom to you?

I know how do go to your posts, or any user's page, with links found on this one.

Need another hint, champ?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

I wrote part of Unix.

Post the link.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

And I'm on a Linux laptop. I can still do it.

hahahahahahaha IDIOT!!!!!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

No, I won't post a link. You don't need one.

All that big swaggering BS about my "thousands" of "anti-semitic" (sic) posts and you need my help to even find them?!?

You don't need to be a programmer, you know, you have everything you need in your hand and no I'm not talking about the shame between your legs.

Your helpless discomfiture has made my day.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

I and lots of other people are on Macintoshes.

You're the Fool. You think everyone uses a PC?

Post the link.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

Post a link.

Let people decide what kind of person you are, and whether you're a rabid anti-semite or not after reading your comment history.

Post the link.

Or provide people reading this page an alternative way to get your WP page with your comment history.

Chrisfox8, you're a rabid anti-semitic bigot.

Your own posts convict you.

Let people reading this see for themselves if I'm right about you or not.

I'm calling your bluff.

Post the link.


Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Please nobody tell him I want to see how long (and if) he can figure it out.

I swear, my ribs are aching from laughing

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"No, idiot, if you would look at the page you're on you'd realize that your name isn't "clickable" on it."

==

I'M not the idiot here.

First hint: right mouse button.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm not "afraid" of anything, certainly not you, and certainly not your imaginary celestial playmate.

I am laughing at your helplessness, sitting there with one hand on the mouse, completely paralyzed an unable to figure it out.

Do you need a hint?


Hahahahahah you IDIOT!!!

All that bluster and chest-beating and look at you! Scouring for a "clickable link!"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 --

I'm calling your bluff.

You keep avoiding the question.

You know we need a link to click on because of the way the WP is set up.

I'm calling your bluff.

Post in a standard article and tell people which article its in, or post a link to the article if you want to make it easier for the people reading this.

I'm calling your bluff.

Post the link.

Let the people reading this page read your comment history and decide for themselves whether you're a rabid anti-semitic bigot or not.

What are you afraid of?

The Truth?

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Need help figuring it out? You'll have to ask me nice

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

hahahahah WHAT a MORON

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

So in addition to being a lying hysterial fanatic, you're an incompetent who can't even manage a simple click on a web page. Absolutely amazing. You need a "clickable" link.

You could figure out that you have everything you need on THIS page, or any page with a user URL, if you had enough neurons to make a synapse.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

No, idiot, if you would look at the page you're on you'd realize that your name isn't "clickable" on it.

The way the WP is set up, to get to your page I need to have hyperlink to it. They're those those underlined or highlighted things on your screen.

But you knew all that, didn't you.

Come on Chrisfox8, I'm calling your bluff, right here, right now.

Post on any standard article on the WP and then tell the folks on this board where you did it so they can look through your posts and make their own decision on whether they think you're anti-semitic or not.

I'll look too, and re-post some of them since you keep on demanding that I do so.

Come on, chrisfox8, I'm calling your bluff, you anti-semitic bigot.

Post a link for us to your page.

Let people make their own decision.

Let them browse your soul, kiddo.

Who are you afraid of?

God?

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

So the big chest beating one-sentence per paragraph hero needs my help to find my posts?

Thought there were "thousands" of them?

Cretinous fool.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

You're on. Post anything on an standard article where I can click on your name, then post the info on where I can click on it back here.

Once I can click on your name to get to your posts history I'll be glad to pick out some examples for you and call your bluff right here and now.

Ok?

You're on!

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm simply reminding everyone, including UniversalHealthCareNow, that your stomping feet routine, demanding proof of an anti-Semite post is hypocritcal since you refuse you link to any post you think I've claimed to be 72 years-old.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Progressive --

The settlements aren't the problem.

They're a red-herring.

If the Arabs would renounce suicide bombings, accept Israel's right to exist, and honor their previous agreements with Israel, then Israel would be glad to remove the settlements.

Jews and Israel really are the good guys here.

Israel just wants to live in peace.

Islamists say that Islam is a religion of peace, but both what they say and what they do shows it is not.

Islam has forced conversion and "Holy War" against anyone who will not convert as its core.

Islam's explicit goal is the complete domination of the world under Sharia law.

Arabs treat women like dirt, cut off people's heads, and kill each other, sunni and shiite when they aren't killing Americans like they did on 9/11.

Arabs have the most repressive and corrupt governments on the planet.

Arabs have thousands of times more land than Israel, with trilliions of dollars of oil under it.

But all Arabs care and think about is killing Jews and destroying Israel.

Even if there was no Israel, Sunni and Shiite would kill each other.

Even if there was no Israel, Arab Islamic extremists would still use terror against Americans.

The Arabs desire to "drive Israel into the Sea", and their world-wide use of terrorism to murder thousands of innocent people, with the danger of Iran getting a gaggle of atomic bombs and murdering millions is the problem.

Not Israel, Not "The Jews"

The USA and Israel are the good guys.

The guys who attacked the US on 9/11 and murdered 3,000 Americans were Arabs who hate Christians and Americans just as much they hate Jews.

The guys who have killed over 4,500 of America's brave service personel since then in Afghanistan and Iraq are Arabs who hate Christians and Americas just as much as they hate Jews.

Islamic extremists want to force their religion on the rest of the world, but the Koran commands it, and commands killing anyone that stands in their way.

The USA and Israel are the good guys.

The Arabs who attacked the US on 9/11 and want to shove their religion down the entire world's throat and take the world back a thousand years are the bad guys.

Its not very complicated.

Unless you're a bigot.

Then you get it reversed.

Don't fall for Arab PR.

Don't be a bigot.


Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! You're in no position to hold anyone here accountable.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

For my part, I promise to ignore them from now on.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 6:57 PM

==

TIME, PLEASE!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Find one of my posts you think I said I was 72 years old.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to dignify your hate speech by reposting it.

==

You've said that enough times that even readers inclined to agree with you have figured out that there are no such posts to be found. You're a fanatic, an Israel apologist, and a liar.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Most people agree Obama often gives a very good speech. Words are important, but actions are far more important. His celebrated speech on race, so applauded by most in the media, did nothing to change race relations in this country. Maybe though Obama will follow through with more speeches about race and specific ideas how to improve race relations. Or maybe not.

Obama has also shown he is willing to make promises, "a firm pledge" not to raise taxes on those earning less than $250,000 a year, opposing Clinton's plan to require nearly everyone buys health care insurance unless otherwise provided and McCain's idea to tax employer paid health care benefits, then being open to breaking these promises, retreating from strong positions he took as a candidate.

Obama defers too much to Democratic leaders in Congress, the military and CIA. He seeks to ignore human rights abuses by some people in the previous administration, by not seeking prosecutions of wrongdoing. His and Pelosi's talk of "fiscal responsibility" is a farce, given the unprecedented budget deficits, with likely high inflation on the near horizon.

Israel leaders, not Obama and Clinton, will be the key to deciding if there is a comprehensive peace agreement in the region during the next seven plus years of the Obama administration. Obama is not going to seek any level of sanctions against Israel, regardless of their policies and actions. He will back down on the issue of settlements in the West Bank, if the Israeli government continues its settlements policy, which nearly all observers of the Middle East agree makes a comprehensive peace agreement nearly impossible.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | June 4, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

I'm not going to dignify your hate speech by reposting it.

Besides, there are hundreds to thousands of your anti-semitic posts to choose from.

Why should I ruin people's fun in finding out just how big a bigot you are, and deciding which on of your posts is their favorite example of your racism?

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8, you've made hundreds if not thousands of hard-core anti-semitic posts.

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Find one, prick

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 --

You racist pig.

How dare you post even more anti-semitic BS as a way to try to "justify" your anti-semitism?

You really take the cake.

You need professional help.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

My paternal grandmother came from Lithuania. She was shunned by the American Jewish community in New York for abandoning her religion, as did all three of my Jewish grandparents; they didn't convert, nor hide their ancestry, they just didn't care. Neither do I. My grandmother wrote to her family in the old country but others had written them about her being a "bad Jew" and they never answered. Then in the late 30s the letters started coming back undeliverable.

Every afternoon my grandmother would watch the soaps for an hour and cry her eyes out. She wasn't crying at the soaps. It was her way of mourning her murdered family.

Call me an anti-Semite? Go screw yourself with a red-hot poker.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox8 --

You've made hundreds if not thousands of the most vile anti-semitic posts ever seen on the WP, and that's saying a lot.

I'm not going to dignify them by re-posting them. Anyone who wants to see what you think of "The Jews" just has to click on your name.

Chrisfox8, you've made hundreds if not thousands of hard-core anti-semitic posts.

There's not a sane reason in the world for you to be allowed to post on the WP.

Chrisfox8, you should have been thrown off for anti-semitic hate speech long ago.

People reading this. Please click on Chrisfox8's name and read for yourself.

I really don't want to re-post hate speech from him that he should never have been allowed to repeated post in the first place.

All violence against Jews starts with anti-semitic hate speech.

People read posts from hate-speech providers like Chrisfox8, believe his lies, and then spread it to others.

Like a virus. Like AIDS.

Anti-semitic hate speech isn't harmless.

It leads to the murder of Jews.

Just like what happened in India.

Just like what almost happened in NYC.

Hate speech isn't harmless.

Its yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre just for kicks, just to see what happens.

Anti-semitic hate speech leads to to the murder of Jews.

People like Chrisfox8 "fire people up" with racial hatred, then claim to be surprised at the results.

They aren't fooling anyone.

They're just bigots.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I said "FILTHY settlers," not "dirty settlers." Please quote accurately.

They are a sanctioned movement of squatters and there is not going to be peace in the Middle East, nor security for Israel, until their movement is illegal under Israeli law, their leaders jailed, and the settlements removed.

If you disagree, make your case. Have you any defense of them other than exceptionalist claims based on some old writings from the days of tribes, or the shibboleth that the land belongs to Israel? Didn't think so.

But if you want to call that anti-Semitism I'm just going to correct you; the settlers are not Semites like the Palestinians are, they're just more right-wing religious cretins, same as in America, where the bulk of them came from.

And you're a self-righteous never-again-chanting gasbag.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8, you're such a total bigot you don't even realize that you are one.

Chrisfox8, you latest post about "dirty settlers" and "the chimneys at the concentration camps" was pretty clear, but almost all your posts are full of hate speech. I won't dignify them by re-posting them, anyone who wants to can click on your name and read them. There are lots and lots and lots of them.

A post of mine complaining about Saudi anti-semitic textbooks was removed this morning.

The account of SVREADER, the most recommended poster ever, was forced closed by anti-semitic posters who tricked the guys at washingonpost.com into closing SVREADER's account by complaining about SVREADER complaining about their anti-semitic posts.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8

chrisfox8, you're such a total bigot you don't even realize that you are one.

Chrisfox8, you latest post about "dirty settlers" and "the chimneys at the concentration camps" was pretty clear, but almost all your posts are full of hate speech. I won't dignify them by re-posting them, anyone who wants to can click on your name and read them. There are lots and lots and lots of them.

A post of mine complaining about Saudi anti-semitic textbooks was removed this morning.

The account of SVREADER, the most recommended poster ever, was forced closed by anti-semitic posters who tricked the guys at washingonpost.com into closing SVREADER's account for complaining about SVREADER complaining about their anti-semitic posts.

Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

UHCNow - Although I think Chrisfox posts odious comments, screaming anti-Semite at shadows in the bushes does damage only to yourself.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 4, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Anti-semites like Chrisfox8 act like modern day Nazi's, working tirelessly on these and lots of other boards, 24/7, to "save the world from the Jews"

When we see that Chrisfox8's account was never canceled after literally years of him posting anti-semitic hate speech, whereas Jews posting against anti-semitism see their posts removed and their accounts canceled we can see washingtonpost.com's extemely strong anti-semitic, anti-Israel, pro-Arab bias.

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Whose posts have been removed and accounts canceled?

If you see antisemitism in my posts then you're probably hallucinating these account cancellations too.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

By Sunday the right-wing press should have had time to come up with the "officially sanctioned talking points" for the dittoheads to use in response to the speech.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Islamists say that Islam is a religion of peace, but both what they say and what they do shows it is not.

Islam has forced conversion and "Holy War" against anyone who will not convert as its core.

Islam's explicit goal is the complete domination of the world under Sharia law.

Arabs treat women like dirt, cut off people's heads, and kill each other, sunni and shiite when they aren't killing Americans like they did on 9/11.

Arabs have the most repressive and corrupt governments on the planet.

Arabs have thousands of times more land than Israel, with trilliions of dollars of oil under it.

But all Arabs care and think about is killing Jews and destroying Israel.

Even if there was no Israel, Sunni and Shiite would kill each other. Even if there was no Israel, Arab Islamic extremists would still use terror against Americans.

The Arabs attacked the USA on 9/11, not the Jews, not Israel.

Anti-semites like Chrisfox8 act like modern day Nazi's, working tirelessly on these and lots of other boards, 24/7, to "save the world from the Jews"

When we see that Chrisfox8's account was never canceled after literally years of him posting anti-semitic hate speech, whereas Jews posting against anti-semitism see their posts removed and their accounts canceled we can see washingtonpost.com's extemely strong anti-semitic, anti-Israel, pro-Arab bias.

AngriestDogInTheWorld brags about driving Jews off these boards.

And the WP does nothing, so mainstream Jews stop posting and fanatical anti-semites like Chrisfox8 (read the log of hiss messages) use the WP as a megaphone for hate speech.


Posted by: UniversalHealthCareNow | June 4, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

anthonyrimmel:

I already gave my "first thoughts" and stated I would not criticize the speech until AF1 returns Sunday.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris, in your own comments you asked:
"Have thoughts of your own on the address? The comments section awaits."

Now I know this is a blog that encourages robust debate, but sruely some moderation to exclude the morass of nonsense being spewed here that has absolutley NOTHING to do with the speech is not an unreasonable thing.

I dont see what discussion about the recent awful murder of the abortion doctor has to do with this speech (Note to potential responders: I am anti-abortion and believe the doctor will have to answer to his Maker for his actions). Nor do I see the relevance of various "you post more/ more rubbish than anyone" bloggings in today's post.

I accept you are not going to moderate on content, but surely moderating on relevance is useful. I gave up after 35 or so notes, as few had anything to do with the issue you had raised.

As to the speech, Obama called on all parties to make changes to their appraoch in the Middle East. This is a key point, and one that needs more robust dialogue. Israel amy well have to give up the settlements, but surely the Muslim countires in the region need to renounce those who would replicate the genocide committed against Israelis in the middle of the 20th Century. Actually, it would be a good start if they even acknowledged it happened.

So yes, I give this a thumbs-up: dialogue AND accountability from all involved is the only way a settlement can ever be reached. Well done President Obama.

Posted by: anthonyrimell | June 4, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I doubt very many of those border disputes are with countries that enjoy Israel's weird "special relationship" with the USA, a relationship I would very much like to see terminated.-Posted by: chrisfox**

You clearly stated you wanted the U.S. relationship with 'Israel' terminated.

Posted by: Gracefulboomer | June 4, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"JRM2: you've picked the wrong guy to feel sorry for. Jake does everything he can to derail conversation here.

Posted by: chrisfox8"

It's not about feeling sorry for him. Go back and read JRM2's post.

To save time, skip to the last five words.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 4, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives wanted Obama to deliver another "put our interests before your own or we'll bomb you" speech, and since he didn't they're screaming about appeasement and apology. Both Limbaugh and bin Laden came out against it (though the former is an imbecile and the latter is almost certainly an imposter), playing to The Base and the base (funny how this writes itself). So the GOP, struggling to regain ground, loses even more. And they don't know what to do about it but preach more hate and fear, just like their representative trolls here.

Imagine, winning hearts and minds. Obama can do that. The GOP is more lost than ever.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know anything about the MATERNITY CENTER ASSOCIATION (currently known as Childbirth Connection) located at 48 East 92nd Street New York, NY 10128

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful speech. The American Enterprise Institute spokesman was particularly tongue tied trying to explain why Barack's speech just wasn't what it should have been if she had had anything to say about it. When you can get the people who wouldn't accept anything you say anyway that addlepated it must have been a good speech. (And, having heard a bit of it my self, got the impression that it is another B. H. O. "Do it my way and I win, don't do it my way and I still win and you really lose" speeches. Well reasoned, well delivered, well thought out, and those who decide that they aren't buying it only make themselves look bad.

ESPECIALLY conservatives who are nearly apoplectic at all the things he said they can't abide, and all the things they wanted said that he didn't deign to mention. They can swallow their pride and work with him to remake our wretched image in the Third World, or they can oppose him and do dastardly things to their image in the first world.

And while the Republicans are still trying to figure out what happened three moves age, Barack looks down the board another dozen moves, sees that the Republicans are still in react, and that badly mode, and prepares to make his next move, hit his clock button, and put them deeper into clock trouble.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 4, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

JakeD the eternal LUNCHER!!!!


Lies again.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama rambled all over the place and at the end didn't say much. He never does. And that is something to admire. Give me a brake.
And there we go with the "responsibility" is he going to solve anything with words. Of course nothing. The only people applauding him are the press.
To talk is cheap. To deliver is the hard part he still hasn't deliver to the American People. Conclusion this guy is an idiot.

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Obama delivered a great speech and may have changed millions of minds about the US. You're just enraged because he's actually making a difference with words where his idiot predecessor couldn't make a difference with bombs. For all our wasted money and wasted troops all we've created in Iraq is another ally for Iran.

Obama done good. Swallow it and choke.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

jakesfriend1:

Hi.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama rambled all over the place and at the end didn't say much. He never does. And that is something to admire. Give me a brake.
And there we go with the "responsibility" is he going to solve anything with words. Of course nothing. The only people applauding him are the press.
To talk is cheap. To deliver is the hard part he still hasn't deliver to the American People. Conclusion this guy is an idiot.

Posted by: amapola11 | June 4, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

First, I believe there is a common misperception that Americans are against Islamic people. Nothing is further from the truth. We are, however, against Islamic terrorists that hate Americans and want to hurt us.

Second, lets imagine there is a family of 12 boys. The oldest being 50 yrs. old and the youngest being 5 years old. Over a long period of time the 'family' is beginning to come apart at the seams. All of a sudden no one wants to take the responsibility of fixing the problem and the 5 yr. old is expected to clean up the mess left by the older brothers.

This is the situation WE are in:
1. With seniority comes privileges.
2. With privilieges comes responsibility.
3. With responsibility comes accountability.

Why is it expected that the USA (the 5 yr. old) be expected to clean up the dire mess left by the older brothers in the Middle East?

It is time that the Saudi's and Egypt (the older brothers) belly up to the bar (figurative) and take a lead role (responsibility and accountability) and leave us out of their mess. When they come up with something substantive, let us know, we will be more than glad to accomodate them in a SUPPORTIVE role.

Enough said for now!

Posted by: jakesfriend1 | June 4, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"Do Muslims view the West as hostile because of modernity and globalization?
It is hard to find a Muslim who hates telephone, radio, air travel, news-papers, computers, television or films. There could be some Amish among Muslims but they would be an exception."

This is not at all what the president meant when he spoke of modernity and globalization. Any study of the region indicates that colonialism, modernity, and globalization have been a huge cause of concern in the Muslim world.

Globalization has served as a vehicle of economic colonization. The lead-up to the Iranian Revolution in 1979 was marked by anti-Western sentiment because of the presence of vast numbers of western advisers to the government and to industries requiring advanced technologies. This created an uneasy, demoralising, embarrassing sense of dependency on the West. Globalization also brings the spread of culture, including aspects of western culture that are seen by some as lacking morals.

Its not at all that muslims or arab countries of middel-eastern states or however you want to the labes the region don't like modernity, its that it has presented a challenge to the region. The nineteenth century is littered with the writing of Muslim intellectuals trying to reconcile Islam with the Modern world, modern often taken to be synonymous with the liberal European world, as is secular. Tariq Ramadan writes today on this as he sees Muslims trying to exist in modern europe (i.e. secular, liberal) while maintaining their muslim identities.

Posted by: aucegypt2009 | June 4, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

You don't really give a damn about abortion or fetuses, Jake, it's just another stupid dodge you use as an excuse to bother people.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

By the way Grace I had ancestors go up those chimneys in the Holocaust, the families of two of my grandparents. But even if my own parents had been taken away on the trains I'd draw the line on this side of endorsing those filthy settlers, who had nothing to do with the Holocaust, they're just more right-wing religious cretins, same as we have here. In fact a lot of them came from here.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

JRM2:

Sorry, but I automatically thought of "drindl" when I read Ann Coulter's article this morning, and I couldn't resist using "drindl's logic" against her on the abortionist's shooting. I don't believe in shooting abortionists, but I understand why someone might, e.g. 49 million abortions vs. 5 dead abortionists.

For my part, I promise to ignore them from now on.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

You must have missed 'This bond is unbreakable.'

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I didn't. Looks like you missed the part about not recognizing Israel's right to go on planting settlements.

Netanyahu is finished (again).

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to that idiot Jake to present a stunt joke as anything real. Rush remains the head of the GOP, and the Democrats' best friend.

Huh huh huh Rush resigned huh huh huh

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg:

No "Republicans" selected Rush Limbaugh, and in any case, he publically resigned as "titular" head of the Republican Party and nominated Colin Powell to take his place ...

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Be careful what you advocate for-
There are currently hundreds of border disputes between countries and territories

Should all be treated equally in the withholding of aid or be given timelines?

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A dodge. I'm not talking about border disputes, I'm talking about Israel's continuing to plant settlements on Palestinian land. I doubt very many of those border disputes are with countries that enjoy Israel's weird "special relationship" with the USA, a relationship I would very much like to see terminated.

Posted by: chrisfox

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Well, it is your right to hold an opinion, but I have to remind you what Obama said in his speech-

'America's strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.

Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed - more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction - or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews - is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve'

You must have missed 'This bond is unbreakable.'

Posted by: Gracefulboomer | June 4, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

JRM2: you've picked the wrong guy to feel sorry for. Jake does everything he can to derail conversation here.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

@ chrisfox8, drindl et al: why don't you lay off JakeD for awhile. I don't agree with him either but you guys are spending so much time ganging up on him and making statements about him that none of you can really substantiate, in other words, you are wasting your time and frankly are not contributing to the discourse.

Posted by: JRM2 | June 4, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

From all reports in the region, Obama hit it out of the park. He needed to go past warm generalities and he did. It'll take years to undo the moral damage by Bush but there are millions of young Muslims today who are less inclined than yesterday to sign up for a suicide vest

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

PREACHING FROM THE TOP

Do Muslims view the West as hostile because of modernity and globalization?
It is hard to find a Muslim who hates telephone, radio, air travel, news-papers, computers, television or films. There could be some Amish among Muslims but they would be an exception.
If the President was referring to the absence of democracy among Muslims as a sign of their aversion to modernity, his mention of US role in ousting of Mussadeq provides the right answer.
Globalization has not found many opponents among Muslims yet because the US war on terror received all attention in recent years. The President said, ”…Muslim majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspiration.”
The President mentioned founding of Israel as the cause for displacement of Palestinians. Instead of a shy admittance, USA and Britain could accept responsibility along with Israel for the death, destruction and displacement of Palestinians. That could be a starting point towards building a bridge to peace.
On the nuclear issue, the President sounded accommodating of Iran’s use of peaceful nuclear energy but insisted on implementation of NPT. Israel’s nuclear weapons were not mentioned.
President Obama declared that US does not seek permanent bases in Iraq or Afghanistan. US insistence on entrusting India with the Afghan affairs is a cause of major concern for Pakistani establishment
The President announced support for education, health and economy in the Muslim countries. He reiterated US resolve for gender equality but his support for democracy seem to allow for dictators and monarchs as long as they pledge a peaceful evolution of participation in governance. Isn’t it the same old policy of condoning dictators?
The President however did cast USA as a Muslim inclusive country in his speech, instead of a Judea-Christian imperialist power. He pleaded for tolerance of other faiths among Muslims and asserted that moral authority can not be claimed by violence.
Moral authority is what the USA needs to re-establish itself in the Muslim world, as a friend and a partner.


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Posted by: nobleatheist | June 4, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Why did the Republicans select Rush Limbaugh to be their leader?

Posted by: Maddogg

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Because he has more respect than Bush?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I was disturbed by the leader of the Republican Party, Rush Limbaugh

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Both "Osama" and Rush are nervous about Obama speaking to the Muslim world, both issues pronouncements about it, both are hoping for his mission to fail.

Of course Osama bin Laden has been dead for years, but "lives on" in audio cassettes while his number two releases studio quality video.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

From Fallen1: "No one's arguing modern-day norms. I was simply pointing out that he was born Muslim by virtue of his father being Muslim (nothing "spurious" about it)"

No one's born anything, that's what makes it not just spurious but abhorrent. You make the ridiculous assertion that religion is somehow genetic, like ethnicity, rather than a choice. That hasn't been the prevailing line of thought since the nazis, and even then no one would have ever considered it a "modern-day norm".

Posted by: kszimmerman | June 4, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I was disturbed by the leader of the Republican Party, Rush Limbaugh, criticizing the President of the United States while he was on foreign soil.

Why did the Republicans select Rush Limbaugh to be their leader?

Posted by: Maddogg | June 4, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how repugnants try to say what President Obama should be doing. Does anyone think or believe Obama is doing just that? I can see President Obama and all White House Staff replaying repugs messages in the Oval Office. All staff members rolling on the carpet, trying to catch their breath. The President wise cracking every idiotic suggestion or so-called ideal they 'repugs' may want to bring to the table. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. You got to have something.

Posted by: opp88 | June 4, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how repugnants try to say what President Obama should be doing. Does anyone think or believe Obama is doing just that? I can see President Obama and all White House Staff replaying repugs messages in the Oval Office. All staff members rolling on the carpet, trying to catch their breath.

Posted by: opp88 | June 4, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD will be here fresh and early tomorrow with Zouk. Fighting another day at the FIX. They may have moved on to the next post already.
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I say, give them the honor to explain themselves. For curiosities sake, let them spout.

Posted by: opp88 | June 4, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

htruman:

I would love to answer your questions, but you are going to have to be a little more specific which "hate radio" you are referring to. I'm smart, but I still can't read minds.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

or is he trying to see as much of the world as he can in the Air Force One before he is pulled out of office or impeached?

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What's he going to be impeached for, child?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

And I am sure if you google hard enough, you can find muslims rally for america after an attack.

Your can find anything about anything if you look hard enough, but maybe Islam doesnt say so mipcom, which would make it not true.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

why have we never seen any demonstrations from US muslims against the terrorists and fundamentalists. We see them protesting their alleged mistreatment. We see them protesting Israel and shouting "Jews to the ovens." We see them calling for a separate sharia law - that would allow them to stone and behead their transgressors. But when do we hear them ever speak out for tolerance for anyone but themselves.

Posted by: mipcom

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Have you actually done a search for any such protests? Of course you haven't, you're just a foaming bigot.

First of all, Muslims are urged by their faith to eschew controversy, they are a "people of the middle," and to characterize the entire religion as composed of extremists is to ignore this.

EVEN SO, there were protests at the WTC bombings ... in Tehran. Protesting AQ. But your beloved jerkoff president decided to put Iran back on a war footing with the Axis of Evil line, playing to the filth at the expense of security, and of the truth.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

htruman:

Rush Limbaugh is broadcast in Rawanda [SIC]?

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

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Come on Jake you claim to be really smart, don't play dense with us now......................

Posted by: htruman | June 4, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Well I guess you only study Islam.

Educate THYSELF on us all becoming Mormons after death.

All this religion stuff is silly season. Its all "world is flat" type hysterics.

Way too many die because of stuff you take so literally and talk so snooty about.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

This guy is a moron! To try to give a history lesson to the Muslims about the Koran and their believes is idiotic. He can't go and scold people on how they have to behave. He shouldn't go out every-time he has an agenda on the table. Is he afraid of the heat or is he trying to see as much of the world as he can in the Air Force One before he is pulled out of office or impeached?

Posted by: amapola11 | June 4, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

mipcom: I didn't say it had never happened, I said it's not a value held by all American Muslims, or by all Muslims in the world as you said in you "religion of peace" screed.

We're a big nation, with 300 million people to drop on any bell curve you got. All kinds of nutty crap has happened at least once. Once is all you got.

I would be on equally firm ground saying all Christians are doctor-murderers. You're just a dumb bigot.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"I know this but I and most people reject a parent's claim on a child's religion. Once a child grows to have its own mind the child is capable of choose to be or not to be a member of a faith."

No one's arguing modern-day norms. I was simply pointing out that he was born Muslim by virtue of his father being Muslim (nothing "spurious" about it) ... and that his and other folks dancing around this is a bit odd.

As for tallertapas311, I'm not sure if you understand these facts are not open to "interpretation" or personal preferences ("I think Obama's mom would have something to say about that").

As for the business about your brother and Batman and Mormons, all I can say is WTF. Educate thyself. :)

Posted by: Fallen1 | June 4, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I've never posted I was 72 here. If anyone else still has questions about that, please let me know.

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For the record, sure you have. See, this is the problem when you get caught lying over and over, nobody believes you about anything.

You've said you're 72, you're retired, you graducated from Standford summa cum laude with a degree in law, you have a wife, and you served in Korea (meaning you were in the army 16 years old when that war ended, and 14 or under when you enlisted. Way to go, Jake).

The only one of these claims that is even close to true would be that you're retired, only it's not a "done working" situation, it's a "mentally unfit to hold a job" situation.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Should Obama have asserted leadership by calling an end to Israeli occupation within the 1967 borders?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=5437

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Posted by: usadblake | June 4, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

mipcom - the future mormon when he dies!!!

Mormons say it, so I guess its true for all of us!!

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I think were making Jakes day. This is almost like real human contact.

No Obama smears or jokes for 1 hour. Your becoming HU-MAN!!!

JAKED IS SELF AWARE!!!

Break free of the GOP chains.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 said I had my head up my a$$ for my comment about an educated Muslim beheading his wife. This is a fact. A tv executive in Buffalo, NY who prided himself on uplifting the muslim image killed his wife when she wanted to leave him. Check this link.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02142009/news/regionalnews/buffalo_beheading_155151.htm

No, my head is correctly placed, chrisfox8. Do your homework before becoming abusive in these posts. And riddle me this -- why have we never seen any demonstrations from US muslims against the terrorists and fundamentalists. We see them protesting their alleged mistreatment. We see them protesting Israel and shouting "Jews to the ovens." We see them calling for a separate sharia law - that would allow them to stone and behead their transgressors. But when do we hear them ever speak out for tolerance for anyone but themselves.

Posted by: mipcom | June 4, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I've never posted I was 72 here. If anyone else still has questions about that, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

htruman:

Rush Limbaugh is broadcast in Rawanda [SIC]?

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

My mom passed away 10 years ago.

==

Aww poor Jake.

Here's the problem: you've been caught lying so many times that nobody believes anything you say. I believe you're under 30 (you say you're 72 so you probably digit-swapped "27"), and your mom is upstairs on the couch passed out on Jim Beam and Valium while you post on her computer, with four browser tabs opened at once on different comment sections.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

My latest was courtesy of Ann Coulter (to save you the Google search, although it would do you good to read a few of her articles ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

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What do you think of hate radio's contribution to recent genocides such as Rawanda, Serbia, and Sudan to name a few?

Why do fake christians regularly engage in the following mindset?:

(i) support the murder of people who go against their ideology
(ii) support torture
(iii) support usury

???????????????????????????????????????????

If you're truly a christian, why are you on here all the time talking about how great your triple DUI club is? (GWB had one DUI and Cheney had 2 DUIs).

Posted by: htruman | June 4, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't practice Islam, no, but in Islam if your father is Muslim, you are born Muslim. No getting around it.

==

I know this but I and most people reject a parent's claim on a child's religion. Once a child grows to have its own mind the child is capable of choose to be or not to be a member of a faith.

Mormon like to "baptize" dead people to add to their celestial headcount; a child born in Israel is cooed over as a "new Jew." And yes there is the Muslim claim.

But once a child can think for itself it has the ability to say "nothing doing." I'm sure Obama would reject any such claim and I think everyone should honor the will of the person over such a spurious rule.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

First, the writer says Obama's approach (finding common ground to build on, even for the most contentious issues) has been used to "effectively address" hot button issues such as abortion.

Huh? I know of nothing he has done in this area that provides any "progress" in reconciling the strongly held views of both sides. If anything, he has turned his back on supporters of abortion here, abortion now, and make sure the taxpayers support it by pushing their pet legislation to the back burner.

Also, let's play the Obama word association game: I say "tolerance." Obama says quickly "Islam!!"

Give me a break.

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | June 4, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is still alive JakeD, you should be ashamed Bristol!!!!

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"He doesn't practice Islam, no, but in Islam if your father is Muslim, you are born Muslim. No getting around it. "

I think Obama's mom would have something to say about that.

Most christian missionarys would to. Islam is not the law.

My brother says he is Batman, because his name is Bruce Wayne. It doesnt mean I have to believe him.

Mormons convert people after they die, does that make us all Mormons???

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

My mom passed away 10 years ago.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Be careful what you advocate for-
There are currently hundreds of border disputes between countries and territories

Should all be treated equally in the withholding of aid or be given timelines?

==

A dodge. I'm not talking about border disputes, I'm talking about Israel's continuing to plant settlements on Palestinian land. I doubt very many of those border disputes are with countries that enjoy Israel's weird "special relationship" with the USA, a relationship I would very much like to see terminated.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse


I know I have been as guilty of it as anyone in the past, but please don't feed the trolls.

They want attention, just like Kim Jong Il. Don't give it to them.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | June 4, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Be careful what you advocate for-
There are currently hundreds of border disputes between countries and territories

Should all be treated equally in the withholding of aid or be given timelines?

CIA World Factbook
Field Listing-Disputes- International borders Disputed

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2070.html

Posted by: Gracefulboomer

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Of course not all border disputes are equal. It's hard to think of any dispute that is contentious as the I-P conflict and which involves the U.S. and U.S. interests so directly.

The U.S. hasn't pumped over $100 billion in aid, loan guarantees, and military hardware into those other conflicts over the past 30+ years.

A joint U.N. resolution hasn't been violated in most of those other cases either.

Finding a resolution to that conflict is much more central to U.S. interests than say mediating the conflict between Denmark, the U.K., Ireland, and Iceland over the Faroe Islands.

Posted by: JPRS | June 4, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox, perhaps you're misunderstanding something.

Yes, Obama practices Christianity. There's a difference between adopted religion and birth religion (though see below).

"Unless he has recited the Shahadah, the Muslim Declaration of Faith, three times before witnesses with sincerity, he is not a Muslim."

No one need argue a given religion's requirements for being indoctrinated into it but, technically speaking, you don't need witnesses and can say it to yourself to convert. (And, by the way, how do you know he did not?)

"Not that there would be anything wrong if he was. But as it happens, he's not."

He doesn't practice Islam, no, but in Islam if your father is Muslim, you are born Muslim. No getting around it. Also no getting around that as a small child he was registered as Muslim/religion as Islam when he went to a Catholic primary school in Indonesia under his stepfather's surname, and fellow classmates beg to differ that he never practiced Islam.

I understand given the whackadoo contingent in this country he knew he'd never be elected if this were common knowledge, but it's a shame as I said they had to treat it like a dirty little secret.

Posted by: Fallen1 | June 4, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Loving all the attention, Jake? Does it validate you to be noticed?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

If this is your way of making friends, then your situation is worse then I thought.

You mom probably doesnt know your on the comptuter. Might not want to cause a scene.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is on tilt, off message. His mind is swirling. No Obama jokes in 30 minutes.

REACTOR LEAK!!! MENTAL BREAKDOWN!!

Down goes JakeD! Down goes JakeD.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

So, that means "no" you don't want to join me for lunch, tallertapas311?

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Jake? It's not about your ability to multi-task. It's about your having nothing else to do with your life but "pull the chains" of strangers.

Don't think for a moment anyone envies you. Pity is the best you can hope for.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

The kid who can golf/eat a sandwich/use his iphone/copy whatever joke michelle malkin makes up/ acts likes he is tougher then the GOP/ post on multiple message boards of the FIX 24 hours a day.

I stick with basement on disability JakeD. Zouk has moved on knowing he lost the day. You guys can have the morning FIX again tomorrow at 630am. We know you will. So do you.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

A very good speech as far as speeches go. It was a big high profile event, and Obama rose to the occasion. Clearly a lot of planning went into the events surrounding the speech, the timing, the symbolism of the occasion, as well as the speech itself.

Of course, the real challenge is going to be in the diplomacy itself. However, as an opening gambit this was a positive step forward.

As a nod to the difficulty of the challenges, it was no accident that Obama made a direct address to the young at the end of the speech. The challenges confronting the region and the U.S.'s relations with states in the region won't be fixed in the next 4 to 8 years. Many of these challenges are generational ones. There is much though that Obama and his counterparts in the Middle East can do to establish a much more constructive foundation in the meantime.

Posted by: JPRS | June 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas311:

I "moved" to that new thread BEFORE you posted your "guess" about me moving. Don't be mad just because I can eat lunch and post at the same time.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

“The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.”
-- President Obama

Come on, Mr. President, give them a deadline. And when they don't meet it, send their aid check to the Palestinian Authority instead.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 12:48 PM
**

Be careful what you advocate for-
There are currently hundreds of border disputes between countries and territories

Should all be treated equally in the withholding of aid or be given timelines?

CIA World Factbook
Field Listing-Disputes- International borders Disputed

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2070.html

Posted by: Gracefulboomer | June 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHA

That is bull JakeD. Your getting defensive and its showing. Iphone and golf. Too generic.

Basement of your moms house 24 hours a day!!!

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

I am not here 24 hours per day -- I was golfing a couple of days ago -- it's not my fault that you only come here when I am here.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I WAS RIGHT!!

JAKED has moved to the next Fix post about McAulliffe!!!

Too easy Jake.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

You guys really should ban together and approch Chris Cillizza about getting that troll JakeD banned from this place.

==

Even if they did that Jake would be back in five minutes on another account. Anyone can open a hotmail or gmail account in thirty seconds.

He'd be right back here trolling away because he has nothing else to do

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

JakeD in La Jolla

La Jolla Counseling and Psychotherapy
www.lajollacounselingandpsychotherapy.com


I dont believe you obviously. Your probably in a bomb shelter waiting for the Y2K bug to hit. This Fix is all you have. That is sad.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

JakeD will be here fresh and early tomorrow with Zouk. Fighting another day at the FIX. They may have moved on to the next post already.

They win because we have lives. Fighting on a Fix message board is theirs.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, again, chrisfox8.

Posted by: JakeD

==

No, Jake, I think I'm right. You're probably getting a nut check in the mail.

Nobody who has any kind of home life would post as frantically as you do on some days, one after another after another, in multiple comment sections. You have no life.

If I were retired I would be in Viet Nam snuffling the fragrance. You sit in The Fix writing about teleprompters and birth certificates and telling extravagant lies about yourself that nobody believes.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

No, tallertapias, I am out to lunch in La Jolla right now. Want to join me?

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Attention Regular Fix Users:

You guys really should ban together and approch Chris Cillizza about getting that troll JakeD banned from this place.


Freedom of speech is one thing but what he's doing is just planting his unemployed butt on here 24 hrs a day and messing up threads with his constant right-wing fear mongering and pipe dreams that most of the time don't even apply to the topic being discussed on the thread.


He's a distraction because that's what he want's to be.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 4, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHHAHAHA JakeD

Lunch with your iphone!!!!

You have no job. Neither does Zouk. You would be fired or your the reason these companies fail bc you do nothing. Nice try though.

You are in a basement collecting disability and being angry that you actually have to work hard to achieve something in this country.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

If one single 15 year old kid in Palestine watched this speech and thought 'hey, maybe these people aren't so horrible after all,' and next month he doesn't walk into a Hamas office to volunteer as a suicide bomber like he was going to, then this speech was a success.

I think Barack Obama just saved a lot of innocent lives by giving this speech. Hundreds of thousands of the young, unemployed Arab men that al Queda and its allies thrive on, watched this speech and experienced a moment in which some of them will decide that America is a country that is worth talking to instead of shooting at.

Posted by: JacksonLanders | June 4, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Just as one is born a Jew by virtue of one's mother being a Jew, whether one practices Judaism or no.

Not sure why folks think this is something to gasp about, or why one worries about being "accused" of being Muslim.

Posted by: Fallen1

==

Obama is a Christian. Unless he has recited the Shahadah, the Muslim Declaration of Faith, three times before witnesses with sincerity, he is not a Muslim.

Not that there would be anything wrong if he was. But as it happens, he's not.

His middle name and his Muslim background help a lot with his credibility in the Muslim world, but they don't fool anyone into believing he's something he's not.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Thats your come back JakeD- wrong again. Chris needs a new post so, you can repopulate. Its like a video game.

Ask youself, did you say the same joke yesterday, or last week, or everyday this month. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results is insanity.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

We should have learned some things in the last 8 years. Among the things we should have learned is that invasions, occupations, threats, mandates, and military action alone will not help us advance our national interests. We also learned that protecting Isreal from the consequences of its bad behavior is not going to ensure peace for the Middle East generally or Isreal in particular. Obama promised change and he is delivering on his promise. I don't know whether he can bridge the huge gap between the Muslim nations and the United States? I do know that he is bright, articulate, and courageous. I would rather put my money on Obama's solutions than the Republicans failed ideology. His speech will not, in and of itself, get the job done but it is a good starting poing. He spoke the truth and set out a marker that can be used to hold himself accountable.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | June 4, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

It's roll in the world?

How about it's sticky buns?

Posted by: DaveMiner | June 4, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

BTW: I am at lunch right now "multi-tasking" by posting with my iPhone.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Jake and Zouk will always win bc they have no life and they will just sit here and grin at how awesome there jokes are and how stupid we are, except they did it yesterday and the day before and WEEKS before that.

Google King of Zouk- its sickening how often you post here. You truly have no life.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

People cannot seem to accept that President Obama marches to a beat of a different drummer. Some people of the right have called this an apology tour. I disagree with that. The people who should do the apologizing are no longer in office and I don't think President Obama should apologize for them.

What he is trying to do is build positive relationships with these countries.
What is wrong with doing using a little diplomacy? You don't have to come off all the time like you are a bad a**. How refreshing.

I think that is one reason why the extremist in these countries don't like Americans. We sometimes come off as arrogant.
Truth be told most foreign countries don't care much for Americans because of that. However I find it real interesting the minute their country gets into trouble, they are calling on us to send troops to help their cause.

I think his mission will be a success.

As for the fighting between Israelies and the Palestenians, there has been fighting over there since biblical times and I think there wil continue to be fighting over there until the end of time or until their children's children decide enough.

I don't think it is the United States job to bring peace in that region. The only way there is going to be peace is if they want to do it themselves and if they are willing to compromise. Only God himself can bring that about.

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | June 4, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Just to stick to the (seemingly "dirty secret"-ish) reality, whether Obama chooses to practice Islam doesn't change the reality that, by virtue of his father being Muslim, he is Muslim by birth. Just as one is born a Jew by virtue of one's mother being a Jew, whether one practices Judaism or no.

Not sure why folks think this is something to gasp about, or why one worries about being "accused" of being Muslim.

Posted by: Fallen1 | June 4, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

President Obama may have just given us the first draft of the Obama Doctrine. He has set the tone for future diplomatic relations. ..........


http://thefiresidepost.com/2009/06/04/the-seven-points-of-obamas-cairo-speech/

Posted by: glclark4750 | June 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, again, chrisfox8.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

No, they just pray we go away, so they can start there same jokes on tomorrows Morning Fix and the next post.

This is there life. Obama Hussein jokes!!! Thats the way to win the hearts and minds of America guys.

What is sad is that you drive people from posting here or anywhere for that matter. And you have the balls to call others trolls.


Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas: my guess is that both are on psychiatric disability.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is nobody cares JakeD and Zouk. This is your own pleasure factory where you can call liberals names and Obama a muslim and you add NOTHING to society.

When Cilliza posts something and looks to the comments, he is praying you dont mess it up with your standard GOP Malkin boring old jokes.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

P.S. a "day" = 24 hours.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk,

So what do you call that shrinking group of right-wing knuckledraggers that you support?
.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/weblog/2009/04/republicans-less-popular-than-venezuela.htm


We call you an insignificant fringe group.


Keep dreaming, Wingnut King.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 4, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Zouk and JakeD, probably two people living on unemployment while claiming they hate government handouts.

They spend all day on the FIX, because its their special little corner of the net to roam the bad GOP jokes.

To dumb for your own blog boys? Not enough people follow your tweets. This is a blog on the post website and its all you do. Pretty sad life.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas311:

No, I didn't (and if you would bother to look it up, you would see that I didn't ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

One time I wrote that half the posts in one thread were Jake's. He "caught" me and pointed out that in reality only 38% were his.

Wow were my ears burning.

A post every 5-6 minutes for a sold 14 hours. Yeah, now there's a nice married retirement for you.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Of course you have lied.

You claim to have a life JakeD, but spend all day in the Fix comments section.

You claimed a week ago that an original thought was yours about Sotomayor, but then said you stole in from Stuart Taylor.

You just like to use boring jokes about Obama being Muslim and how your so awesome bc your tougher (dumber) then the GOP.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 4, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The extent of insanity, inanity and utter stupidity in all to many comments is inconceivable?"

No, the kool-aid cultists are like this every day.

We're all just hoping that they'll decide their spaceship is near and do the appropriate thing.

Posted by: drindl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

drivl, self-realization is the first step to a cure . They are talking about you! Obviously to all non-moonbats.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 4, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The only problem is that it'll also pick up when someone is addressing another poster.

==

Presumably the responses included the trailing tag are posted in approximately equal numbers by everyone. This is just to get an idea of where the volume comes from, not to bill anyone for usage. That too could be filtered out by a slightly modified filter taking note of the HTML formatting tags.

Every job I get I install UNIX utilities in the first hour, and at home I do all my browsing on Linux machines anyway.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I have never posted a single "lie" here (the GOP are too "liberal" for me ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

why thank you, chrisfox -- what an amusing tool.

it's nice to have all the smart people on one's side.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I am a registered Independent, not Republican.

Posted by: JakeD

==

First of all, you are not an "Independent," you claim to hold allegiance to the "American Independent Party." This has as much to do with political independence as the Lincoln Brigade had to do with Abraham Lincoln or the National Socialists had to do with Socialism.

Second of all you vote for Republican candidates and crow your allegiance to Republicans.

Third of all you carry water for Republicans with a mindless fervor, without a solitary disagreement on even the smallest iota of doctrine.

You're about as "independent" as one of those fetuses you claim to love so much.

You're also a compulsive liar.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

@chrisfox - Resorting to GREP commands? Talk about who needs a life! (Just kidding, down boy.) A slightly less techy alternative is to use a browser that gives you the count. Safari does it by default. I assume *someone* has written the appropriate plug-in for Firefox.

The only problem is that it'll also pick up when someone is addressing another poster. That much having been said, I do remember one forum where you, drindl, and KoZ accounted for 75% of posts over a period of time. At that point, the thread had degenerated into name calling and less heated voices left the room.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 4, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, everytime I come on here you are on here wasting time endlessly shilling for the extremist wing of the Republican party (Cheney, Bush, Rove, Rush etc). You can lie to yourself but don't expect the rest of us who live and work in reality to believe you.


Like I said earlier, get a life you loser.


Posted by: DrainYou | June 4, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

NASA Study Acknowledges Solar Cycle,
Not Man, Responsible for Past Warming
Daily Tech, by Michael Andrews

Some researchers believe that the solar cycle influences global climate changes. They attribute recent warming trends to cyclic variation. Skeptics, though, argue that there's little hard evidence of a solar hand in recent climate changes. Now, a new research report from a surprising source may help to lay this skepticism to rest. A study (Snip) has concluded that solar variation has made a significant impact on the Earth's climate.

Another inconvenient truth for wacky Libs - God did it.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 4, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I was "laughing" about FairlingtonBlade's post.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I ran a utility program to compare the level of intellect and reason instead of sheer volume, which is a Lib specialty:

Result (level of intelligence)

drivl :8%
drain you: 12%
chrissuxit: - 14% (didn't know that was possible)
king of zouk :96% (penalized for interacting with moonbats)

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 4, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

'Do we have a full moon? The extent of insanity, inanity and utter stupidity in all to many comments is inconceivable?"

No, the kool-aid cultists are like this every day.

We're all just hoping that they'll decide their spaceship is near and do the appropriate thing.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@Jake - Mind you, I figure I've made a fool of myself *plenty* of times on these pages. All part of the fun. Well, except when Mark_in_austin insists on having a reasoned discussion. Where does he think he is? The National Review! :-)

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 4, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

I am a registered Independent, not Republican.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

If anyone would like an accurate post count from a thread, never mind Google. There is a more accurate way.

(1) save the web page as a local HTML file. Suppose it's called temp.txt

(2) install cygwin or some set of UNIX utilities.

(3) Issue the following commands:

cat temp.txt | grep -i "Posted by" | wc -l
cat temp.txt | grep -i "Posted by JakeD" | wc -l

Compare the output to see who actually floods these forums and who exactly needs to GET A F*CKING LIFE

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 3:49 PM
Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 3:49 PM
Posted by: DrainYou | June 4, 2009 3:48 PM

Rush hour in the land of the loons.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 4, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Of course, when educated, upper middle class muslims in the US think is it perfectly correct to behead their errant wives you see that this "religion of peace" has a long way to go.

Posted by: mipcom

==

Hope you washed your hands after you posted this because it came out of your a$$

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, for most Libs, this column is titled "First Thoughts". the inclusion of an implication for engaging the brain and pondering intelligently vacates the ability for Libs to participate.

Now if the blog was called first rants, then chrissuxit, drivl and drainyou would be first in line and of utmost qualifications.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"On Sunday, Adele Stan recalled how Coulter had previously mocked abortion-related murders, saying that victims, “depending on your point of view, had a procedure performed on them with a rifle.”

You people are a sickness.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Jake's gotten caught both lying and plagiarizing again. And to think I was only gone two hours.

There's the difference between the liberals and the conservatives; the conservatives lie, they steal others' writing, and the post under multiple monikers. We liberals can write our own material and we don't need to create our own support.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, you're a jobless troll. You're an angry old white dude who can't handle the fact that reality has smacked your beloved Repuglican party in the face and now they are nothing more than a fringe (the South) group. So you sit on your computer all day long and whine like the entitled angry old white guy Republican crybaby that you are.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!


How ironic that the religious extremists of various faiths are the least peaceful people among us, be it Al Qaeda, Randall Terry and his right-wing Christian/American domestic terrorist group, or the lunatics on the West Bank - These people who claim to love God most are clearly the most Godless.


And these people who claim to know God so well know nothing of God. Actually they know less than nothing because for these lunatics God is not Love. For them God is Hate and War.


Posted by: DrainYou | June 4, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"Instead of focusing on attacking me based on who I may or may not be quoting, why not simply read the material and consider its implications?"

I consider the implication that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You actually said "Left-Wing Muslim Extremists?"

I didn't think there was enough tubes on the internet to cary that much fail in one post.

Posted by: VTDuffman | June 4, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"No original song though."

I did notice that, eventually.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 4, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

You get paid for this analysis? I knew if I wanted to get the most substance free thoughts on the speech I should come here and you did not disappoint.

Posted by: cbcpapa | June 4, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I am not an Obama fan, but I think this was a good, reasoned speech.
Of course, when educated, upper middle class muslims in the US think is it perfectly correct to behead their errant wives you see that this "religion of peace" has a long way to go.

Posted by: mipcom | June 4, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Do we have a full moon? The extent of insanity, inanity and utter stupidity in all to many comments is inconceivable?

It says a lot about the immaturity and vacuousness of the Beltway, Wash Post and the WP readers!

Posted by: dgward44 | June 4, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

Perhaps you have not carefully thought through the moniker of the poster who is plagiarizing. Mockingbirds are known for their mimicry of other birds as well as insects, etc.

No original song though.

Posted by: mnteng | June 4, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This was an excellent speech, of wide-ranging scope both in its historic importance and its intellectual reach. President Obama stood confidently upon the world stage to announce that America has grown up at last. We are no longer a nation of finger-pointers and xenophobic ignoramuses. We expect that other nations and peoples will act in their own best interests, just as we do in ours. But we also expect that other nations will respect the rights, traditions, and responsibilities of each other.

Our president spoke forcefully to Israel and to Palestine, calling on each side to set aside historic grievances and violence. He spoke of the need to see practicing democracy and full rights for women extended to all the nations of the Middle East.

President Obama made no apologies for American behaviors abroad. He stood firmly for looking ahead with positive and optimistic expectations and requirements from all of our allies and friends in the Middle East.

This was a speech to make all Americans proud.

Posted by: dee5 | June 4, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

Jobless = happily retired, with plenty of time to waste her (I have still not posted on The Fix as much as you, drindl and chrisfox8).

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see that JakeD is still jobless and shilling for the Cheney Repuglicans full-time on here.

Get A Life, You Loser!

Posted by: DrainYou | June 4, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

As soon as the "rightwing cultists" get to 49 million, we'll be even.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Instead of focusing on attacking me based on who I may or may not be quoting, why not simply read the material and consider its implications?"

The implication is that you and Malkin are idiots. No one thinks Muslim terrorists act alone. They have whole training camps.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 4, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Chirs, if you want more comments, you should have the comment section changed from an add on to your article to it's own comment page.

This scrolling to the bottom to comment stinks.

Posted by: jdcw | June 4, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

Try www.nexis.com and compare the number of stories on abortionist shooting with military recruitment shooting. As I pointed out in the Sarah Palin thread, the White House officially only commented on one of those stories.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"You modern liberals cannot be reasoned with because you see everything through a lens of hate."

LOL. What you rightwing cultists do best is projection. Your leaders are inciting people to murder and the pot continues to call the kettle black.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

OK, To The List Of The Nutty Fringe Groups Who Hated This Speech:


Osama Bin Laden (and Al-Qaeda), the American GOP and Israeli extremists.


ALL of the extremists of the world hated this speech. The other 6 billion of us LOVED it and are hoping we can work together to realize the vision the American president described so eloquently in his speech.


I am TIRED of right-wing lunatic fringe extremists hijacking the lives of the rest of us. Its time to come together and rise up against them all.


The GOP leapt off the cliff's edge 8 years ago. I'm just waiting for them to hit the bottom.


To extend that metaphor, they're like recovering addicts/alcoholics. They have to recognize they are addicted to a twisted world view, that they feed that addiction through various far right sources (Faux, Rush hate radio, etc.) and that their views and their sources combined have led themselves to the gutter of world politics, the opprobrium of nations.


They are ideological dypsomaniacs; unsophisticated junkies in a world of hurt now that their main punk dealer's been busted and they can't mainline the good stuff. They're sucking methadone treatments from the koolaide kids at FAUX, but it's just not the same. The best high they ever had was the Iraqi war kickoff and it's been downhill ever since.


Thank you for this BRILLIANT peace speech, President Obama !

Posted by: DrainYou | June 4, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"You won't hear about the escalating war on military recruitment centers. "

Please provide documentation with links.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade:

I thought that we gave him enough of a warning, but I guess not ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that's right. You modern liberals cannot be reasoned with because you see everything through a lens of hate.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

Did I say that "Fair Use" absolves plagiarism?

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

@Jake - True, though the mighty KoZ has spoken. What's that bit? Better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 4, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Instead of focusing on attacking me based on who I may or may not be quoting, why not simply read the material and consider its implications?

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

AMERICA IS STRONG AGAIN!

At last, a President capable of leading the world again in our relentless march to freedom. I wouldn't say this was the best speech ever, but with it Obama has laid a solid foundation upon which America can rebuild and start over as the leader of the world... a role abrogated by the Bush Administration.

Posted by: hiberniantears | June 4, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see a member of congress introduce a bill to reduce the aid to Israel to say $2 or $2.5 billion with the balance diverted to say, malaria nets for Africa and South Asia or stopping the spread of hate filling Madrassa's and providing each young Muslim with a basic education.
Yes, I know they are the only (kind of)democracy in the region. But after all Israel is a modern industrial society with a large military and a vibrant high tech economy. I'm sure they can make do with the cut. A savvy member of congress could lay down the gauntlet with a grand bargain; Aid for a relatively prosperous welfare state vs. the greater good of saving hundreds of thousands of lives. Hell, we might make a few friends in the process, thus reducing the potential to breed future terrorists. I'm sure it would lose overwhelmingly, fought by AIPAC and big defense but it might be worth for fighting for on principle alone.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | June 4, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, drindl, now YOU have said it -- falsely claiming that I said that ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"Fair use" is allowed. Thanks Michelle.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Chris, personally I thought the speech was great and I really got the feeling this will be a playback moment in Obama's post presidency, whether that is 4 years or 8 years from now.
I also wanted to let you know how awesome you were in talking to the school group last week. I caught you on CSPAN and you were thoroughly engaging. I think you got their attention. As a young college student myself, I want to say that you have inspired me to consider journalism as a career option. I was weighing a trajecotry of getting into public service or academia but your work (and that of others) has inspired me to consider journalism.

Posted by: lmeert | June 4, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

hey bird -- did malkin write that one for you too?

You people just are incapable of original thought, aren't you?


Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

""Fair Use" is allowed as well."

Fair use does not allow claiming another's work as your own.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 4, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

drivl reserves the use of hate speech to itself only.

Ask it how it feels about Sarah Palin or dick cheney.

As far as the death of a serial abortionist (aka mass murderer), couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Boo hoo.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 4, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama issued a statement condemning "heinous acts of violence" within hours of Tiller's death. By contrast, Obama was silent about the military recruiter attacks that left 24-year-old Pvt. William Long dead and 18-year-old Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula gravely wounded.

Why the silence? Why not tell people what is actually happening in the world? We saw this a couple of weeks ago, when the press only gingerly acknowledged that the malevolent though incompetent suspects in the synagogue bombing-conspiracy case in New York were converts to Islam.

How is the public served by this kind of silence? The extremist Christian beliefs of Tiller's alleged murderer are relevant to that case, and no one in media is hesitant to discuss them. Why the hesitancy to talk about the motivations of the man who allegedly killed Pvt. William Long?

You won't hear about the escalating war on military recruitment centers. You will hear very little the most recent left-wing calls to violence by a Playboy magazine writer who published a vulgar list of conservative female writers and commentators he said he'd like to rape.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"Anyway, the media double standard of hate is obvious. When a right-wing Christian vigilante kills, millions of fingers pull the trigger. When a left-wing Muslim vigilante kills, he kills alone.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd "

Speaking of right wingers, would it kill them to not steal things from other people? It would have taken ten seconds to credit Michelle Malkin with that quote.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 4, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

One of the best speeches given by an American President in recent history. It is such a breath of fresh air not to have that gigantic dbag Cheney, or that imbecile Bush spouting verbal garbage that is anathema to the very basic intellectual foundations of our nation.

Posted by: hiberniantears | June 4, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

It's ok to shoot abortionists.
--jaked

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

In this day and age, all the violent movements are rightwing.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade:

Technically, unless KOZ posts again, he could be said to have fled as well.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

mock1ngb1rd:

"Fair Use" is allowed as well.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"When a left-wing Muslim vigilante kills, he kills alone."

Whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy boy.

Muslim fundamentalist are NOT LEFT WING. They are rightwing authoritarians --CONSERVATIVE Muslims.

The Taliban has more in common with other relgious fundamentalists of all denominations that with anything leftwing.


Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Yet, KoZ is still here. What a hilarious self-indictment!

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 4, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"Chris Cillizza is a Republican toady!"

~ drindl

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"president obama has a teleprompter, why can't we?"

The words used by President Obama are either his, or written expressly for his use - those that aren't are attributed properly. I don't care if you quote Ignatius, or IBD - I certanly quote extensively here. But when the words aren't yours, it is appropriate to properly attribute the original.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 4, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

the comedy moonbat team of drivl and chrisuxit have descended on the blog and all intelligent ideas have fled.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 4, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Obama, why is nuclear power a viable energy source for Iran but not for America?"
-------------------------------------------
During the campaign he talked about nuke power as a viable option, so I don't understand your question.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 4, 2009 1:46 PM
--------------------------------------------

Talk is cheap. Somebody needs to tell Obama that.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

just explain to me why teleprompters are so fascinating to you nuts? It's an ingenious device, I know, but does your cult worship it or something?

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't you love to hear Netty and Tsipi after they read/heard this speech.. and I mean, not what they will say publicly..

I'll bet that there are fireworks galore amongst the rulers or Israel..

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 4, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

That's right, The Fix only WATCHED -- without the sound on allegedly -- and read the speech (glutton for punishment, I guess ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"Well, she used your "logic" on abortion right back at you (you were the first person I thought of when I read that this morning ; )"

Coulter may well end up in the same place as Hal Turner, who was arrested in CT for inciting violence. Indeed, I hope she does. No one on the planet has spread more hatred and sickness than she has and she deserves to have the megaphone taken away.

Incitement to violence is not covered by free speech.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, the media double standard of hate is obvious. When a right-wing Christian vigilante kills, millions of fingers pull the trigger. When a left-wing Muslim vigilante kills, he kills alone.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

rlj1:

A "specific" does not include "we will expand exchange programs and increase scholarships."

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

president obama has a teleprompter, why can't we?

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Chris was probably too busy playing dress up in the basement with Dana Milbank to listen to the speech.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, she used your "logic" on abortion right back at you (you were the first person I thought of when I read that this morning ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

This was an extremely good speech to set the stage for meetings and actions. This was not a speech that was going to spell out clear cut, unanimously accepted solutions to the problems the President spoke about. They are far too complex for one nation to solve. America can be a facilitator, but, not always the problem solver. The problems are going to take compromise and co-operation between all the parties.

On another note, apart from being Dick Cheney's daughter which in itself is a cruel twist of fate, what is Liz Cheney's claim to fame? Why is she foisted on an unsuspecting public by the cable channels? What has she got to say that makes compulsive viewing?

Posted by: mharvie | June 4, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Chris once again your write stuff and assume people can't read or hear. Pres. Obama did give specifics in the speech I heard on economics and education. Maybe you should read the speech before you write to make sure your points are correct.

Posted by: rlj1 | June 4, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

There is no reason to read Coulter, unless you require an emetic.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

Do you have a question for me?

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Too bad your head is so far up your arse.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

My latest was courtesy of Ann Coulter (to save you the Google search, although it would do you good to read a few of her articles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omSqEwaO_X0

Posted by: opp88 | June 4, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Too bad you previously refused to answer MY questions to you.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"BTW: drindl, if you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one."


So you DO beleive in shooting abortionists, Jaked? Please DO respond.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

do you ever watch hannity? he never has anyone to refute his rhetoric. and when he does has someone to refute his bullshiiiddd the corny, want to be a cowboy, playing country music asswipe Hannity and FOXNEWS is not fair and balance. but, to be honest... Hannity and his guest are down right funny. Juan Williams be getting into hannity's azz calling out hannity's bullshiidd against Obama...lol.

Posted by: opp88 | June 4, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The hate is ratcheting up on talk radio -- apparently after 4 cops and a doctor were murdered as a result of incitement -- the authorities are starting to take it seriously.

Internet radio host Hal Turner — accused of inciting Catholics to "take up arms" and singling out two Connecticut lawmakers and a state ethics official on a website — was taken into custody in New Jersey late Wednesday after state Capitol police in Connecticut obtained a warrant for his arrest.

Turner, who has been identified as a white supremacist and anti-Semite by several anti-racism groups, hosts an Internet radio program with an associated blog. On Tuesday, the blog included a post that promised to release the home addresses of state Rep. Michael Lawlor, state Sen. Andrew McDonald and Thomas Jones of the State Ethics Office.

"Mr. Turner's comments are above and beyond the threshold of free speech," Capitol Police Chief Michael J. Fallon said in an e-mail announcing the warrant. "He is inciting others through his website to commit acts of violence and has created fear and alarm. He should be held accountable for his conduct."

...........
The blog of the "Turner Radio Network" recounted the matter, then included the following remarks in a section labeled "commentary:"

"It is our intent to foment direct action against these individuals personally. These beastly government officials should be made an example of as a warning to others in government: Obey the Constitution or die."

And, the post continued, "If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this, I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down, too."

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

My latest was courtesy of Ann Coulter (to save you the Google search, although it would do you good to read a few of her articles ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

BTW: drindl, if you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. At least some of the bird's material seems to come from here:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=328920154776421

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 4, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Obama can manage to acquire some more impressive opponents than Mitch McConnell, Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Gallenod
----------------

Conservatives have no clue where the dangers are coming from. These piss ants are the lease of Obama's problems.

Sonia Sotomayor, 2/3 hispanic vote in 2008, all hispanic vote in 2012. see ya repugs.

Posted by: opp88 | June 4, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse


Andrea Mitchell, a few minutes ago questioning Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar about Obama's Middle East policy: "Do you have any concerns that Israel does not have an equal seat at the table?"

This would be downright laughable were it not so pathetic.

Liz Cheney is blanketing the airwaves again today, and as is more often the case than not, she's the lone guest, unchallenged by someone with teeth from the reality-based community -- a privilege usually reserved for high officials or newsmakers. Obama hand-holding terrorists? Check. Saddam connected to Al Qaeda? Check.

It's an example of what E.J. Dionne was writing about in today's column:

"A media environment that tilts to the right is obscuring what President Obama stands for and closing off political options that should be part of the public discussion. ...

The power of the Limbaugh-Gingrich axis [I would add the Cheneys] means that Obama is regularly cast as somewhere on the far left end of a truncated political spectrum. He's the guy who nominates a "racist" to the Supreme Court (though Gingrich retreated from the word yesterday), wants to weaken America's defenses against terrorism and is proposing a massive government takeover of the private economy. ..."

The idea of the 'liberal media' is the biggest joke ever.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

mok1ngb1rd's 2:08 post is entirely lifted from Ignatius' column today, so cast a skeptical eye at the Iran post as well.

Speaking of Iran, while it is a bit surprising that they import refined fuel rather than building their own refineries, its not the dumbest thing in the world to focus on exporting oil rather than consuming it domestically - it is an enormous source of foreign currency.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 4, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney Passes The Torch To Daughter Liz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sodIBh_pBs&feature=channel

Posted by: opp88 | June 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

While we should remember our own land-grabbing history to avoid being too self-righteous, the fundamental difference between the present and the past is that there is now an interational consensus that changing borders through conquest is no longer socially acceptable. We have, in at least that way, grown as a species.

(Having said that, we're not giving America back.)

And yes, Obama will make enemies. In many ways status as a leader is determined in large part by the power of the enemies you face. Washington faced the British. Lincoln faced the Confederacy. Roosevelt and Churchill had Hitler.

Hopefully Obama can manage to acquire some more impressive opponents than Mitch McConnell, Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Gallenod | June 4, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I think the main target of this speech was Syria. It has been reported that the Israelis and the Syrians have been in discussions for a peace deal with Turkey as a broker for sometime now. The statement about the settlements was said with an eye towards those negotiations, IMO.

If the Israelis and the Syrians can work out some sort of understanding then it will be a major step towards peace with the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank (Gaza and Hama are a whole different animal). It would also serve to further isolate Iran, which could (and I stress could) lead to Iran back to the negotiation table or possibly a change in the next Iranian election.

Politically speaking if the Isrealis and the Syrians reach a peace deal or Iran elects a moderate under Obama's watch, the likelihood that he wins re-election will go to 99%.

Posted by: AndyR3 | June 4, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama is hardly the first president to oppose Israeli settlements: Every administration since the 1967 war — and that's now a total of nine — has made essentially the same demand. Netanyahu, like previous Israeli leaders, has rejected it.

Which raises an agonizing post-Cairo problem for Obama: What does he do now? How does he show that his administration really means what it says?

Year after year, decade after decade, American officials keep repeating U.S. opposition to the settlements — and Israeli governments keep on building them. More than 120 settlements have been constructed over the past 42 years, and the Israeli population in the West Bank now totals 190,000 in the Jerusalem area and 289,000 elsewhere.

Obviously, to make "peace," Obama will first have to make many enemies.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

WILL THE U.S. RETURN ITS "SETTLEMENTS" TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS?


No government should impose its will upon another, President Obama says...

...yet he declares that the U.S. does not recognize as legitimate Israel's settlements within territory captured in a war it did not seek or incite.

Is there not a contradiction here?

The U.S. settled the western frontier on land conquered in a genocidal war against Native Americans. Is America's claim on those territories any less legitimate than Israel's claim to its right to settle the West Bank?

Land for peace should be Israel's decision -- not President Obama's or America's.


http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | June 4, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

mockingbird thinks we should be dictating the energy policy of every country on earth, apparently.

I thought you wingers didn't like a nanny state?

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

If Iran has "legitimate energy concerns" that make its nuclear plants OK, doesn't the energy-starved U.S.? Why doesn't Iran, with the second-largest proven oil reserves, just build some refineries?

The irony here is that at the same time we are encouraging Iran to exploit the peaceful uses of nuclear power, we are discouraging its use here at home. We have legitimate energy aspirations as well, and one of them is reducing our dependence on imported oil from countries that do not have our interests at heart.

We let billions flow overseas and domestic oil resources from the Chukchi Sea to ANWR to Western oil shale to the Gulf of Mexico go unexploited. We have one thing in common with Iran: We're not pushing refinery construction here either.

We prattle on about nuclear power being costly and nuclear waste being a danger without a safe place to store it even as we shut down Yucca Mountain, a perfectly safe place to store it. We place all sorts of regulatory and environmental impediments in its way.

"Without going into specifics, what I do believe is that Iran has legitimate energy concerns, legitimate aspirations. On the other hand, the international community has a very real interest in preventing a nuclear arms race in the region."

This echoes remarks made in Prague last month, when the president said his administration would "support Iran's right to peaceful nuclear energy with rigorous inspections" if Iran gives up its pursuit of nuclear weapons.

But it hasn't, and the race is already on. Iran state television interpreted these remarks as recognizing "the rights of the Iranian nation," by which it means its right to develop nuclear power unencumbered.

That Iran is not serious about peaceful nuclear energy is shown by its refusal to build the refinery capacity needed to eliminate its dependence on imported gasoline. That money instead has gone to buying more centrifuges and expanding nuclear facilities. If Iran's energy aspirations were legitimate, it would be building refineries and not bombs.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"but rather because it gives political enemies lots and lots to shoot at on a very controversial subject. "

So tell us, Mr. Cilizza, why this is a controversial subject, the idea of President Obama giving a speech in Egypt, a longtime ally of the United States?

Are you providing fodder for rightwingers, as usual? Are you saying it's controversial to speak to Muslims, per chance? Which would be pretty controversial of YOU.

After all, Obama continues to speak to republicans, even after Timothy McVeigh.

Equating all Muslims with terrorists is one sure way to cause them all to hate us.

Posted by: drindl | June 4, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Obama, why is nuclear power a viable energy source for Iran but not for America?"

During the campaign he talked about nuke power as a viable option, so I don't understand your question.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 4, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama, why is nuclear power a viable energy source for Iran but not for America?

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | June 4, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama might give the Israeli govermnent a deadline, but it would be private, not public. A public deadline is a binary event. If they comply, they look weak and their government falls we have to start over again with a new one. If they defy us, then we either have to back down and look weak or drop the hammer, in which case their government falls and we also have to start over again with a new one.

Publicly telling Israel to stop the settlers or remove them all by a particular date is like pointing a gun at someone and cocking the hammer. Unless you're willing to pull the trigger and accept what you think will be the consequences, you really shouldn't do it. (And we've all seen how well that worked out with Iraq.)

Obama isn't trying to convince the current Israeli government to rein in the settlers. He's trying to convince the Israeli electorate to see that the settlers activities are one of the main reasons they can't live in peace. If he's successful, the next Israeli government will do what is right and necessary, even if only to keep their elected offices.

Barring some omnipotent being dropping in and restructuing reality, there is no quick, simple way to fix the Middle East. but given that it's now Obama leading the charge, I'm now hopeful I'll see a solution in my lifetime.

Posted by: Gallenod | June 4, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Amen to the fodder for political enemies. I wonder how many people scream anti-semite right now? Makes sense given his secret Muslim background.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 4, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"The message was clear: I am not George Bush and it is a new day in how America views its roll in the world."

==

ROLE, Chris, not ROLL.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Heh heh heh and if there is no second "terrorist attack" will the GOP trolls claim that Obama kept us safe?

Of course they won't.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It was a speech for history (which will not be written until we determine whether another 9/11 attack, or worse, has been averted). I watched it live, but I will wait until AF1 is back home to criticize.

Posted by: JakeD | June 4, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

“The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.”
-- President Obama

Come on, Mr. President, give them a deadline. And when they don't meet it, send their aid check to the Palestinian Authority instead.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 4, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

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