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Republicans' Guilt-by-Association Gamble


Too close for comfort?

National Republicans moved aggressively over the weekend to link scandal-tarred Gov. Rod Blagojevich to President-elect Barack Obama -- a guilt-by-association tactic that represents a significant gamble for a party still looking to pick itself up off the electoral mat.

The Republican National Committee released a web video (read: electronic press release) over the weekend that dug up a series of pro-Blagojevich quotes from Obama -- dating back to 2002.

That video followed hard on a series of statements from the RNC over the last week that sought to raise questions about the nature and depth of Obama's ties to Blagojevich and that demanded more information concerning the number and substance of contacts between Obama's aides and the governor and his staff about the possible Senate appointment.

"Considering Barack Obama's promises of transparency and new politics, so far his less-than-forthcoming handling of the scandal in Illinois is disappointing," said RNC spokesman Alex Conant. "Obama has failed to answer many basic questions about the Blagojevich scandal. This a case where the American people will find out if Obama's campaign rhetoric is met with action or if it's just words."

The goal here is clear: Blagojevich is the prototypical example of political power run amok, and if he can be used in any way to slow Obama's momentum throughout the transition, then Republicans regard that as a worthwhile endeavor.

At issue for Republicans (and herein lies the risk) is whether, in fact, there is any there there as it relates to Obama's relationship with Blagojevich. If not, will voters perceive this strategy as nothing more than a partisan attack at a time when people want political leaders to come together to solve problems?

It's no secret to anyone who has spent any time following Illinois politics that Obama and Blagojevich were not close. By the time Obama was emerging on the national scene in 2004, there was more than a whiff of scandal from the Blagojevich camp. As a result, ANY politician interested in his or her political future stayed as far away from him as possible. (Was anyone else stunned by Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn's admission on "Meet the Press" that he hadn't spoken with Blagojevich since August 2007?)

That lack of a relationship between the two men continued as Obama rose higher and higher in national politics.

As the Post's Eli Saslow notes in his terrific piece on the tensions between Obama and Blagojevich:

"The two men have not talked for more than a year, colleagues said, save for a requisite handshake at a funeral or public event. Blagojevich rarely campaigned for Obama and never stumped with him. The governor arrived late at the Democratic convention and skipped Obama's victory-night celebration at Chicago's Grant Park."

As for the conversations between Blagojevich's insiders and Obama allies, that may be a slightly more lucrative vein for Republicans to mine.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel, Obama's incoming White House chief of staff, did have more of a relationship with Blagojevich (they both have held the 5th district seat) but the idea that the two men were close is simply not true. (See our point above about ambitious pols staying well clear of Rod.)

That Emanuel spoke to John Harris, the former chief of staff to Blagojevich, about the Senate candidates that would be acceptable to the president-elect is not at all surprising. To our reading, none of the accounts of Emanuel's conversations with Harris suggest that they were anything other than incoming chief of staff relaying names -- far from a crime.

Combine the relative paucity of proof that Obama or anyone in his political inner circle has any strong ties to Blagojevich with the fact that a series of national polls have shown widespread approval for Obama and it becomes clear that Republicans' strategy is not without risk.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal survey conducted earlier this month showed that two-thirds of voters (67 percent) said they were "generally pleased" with the Obama's Cabinet choices while just 16 percent described themselves as "generally disappointed.

That same poll showed Obama with very solid personal approval scores (67 percent positive/16 percent negative) and a belief among a majority of voters (52 percent) that Obama will be able to accomplish his stated goal of bringing "more cooperation and less bickering between the political parties."

The Democratic Party also fared far better than the Republican Party in the NBC/WSJ poll. Forty nine percent of those tested had a positive opinion about Democrats as compared to 28 percent who had negative views of the party. Those numbers look good compared with those of Republicans who carried a 27 percent positive/52 percent negative rating in the survey.

According to that and other polling data, the mood of the country is clearly pro-Obama (and pro-post partisan politics) at the moment -- a development that suggests that the incoming President may well be immune from attacks on his character, at least at the start of his Administration.

While Republicans are eager to score points against Obama and see the Blagojevich scandal as a ripe opportunity to do so, they might do well to heed the advice offered by Sen. John McCain -- the party's 2008 presidential candidate.

"With all due respect to the Republican National Committee, we should try to be working constructively together," McCain said during a weekend appearance on ABC's "This Week".

How hard will Republicans continue to push on Obama-Blagojevich? And will it work in their favor or blow up in their faces?

By Chris Cillizza  |  December 15, 2008; 11:45 AM ET
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Comments

Considering Jesse Jackson's comments about his wife, Michelle is next. How exactly did she get that $300,000 fluff PR job with that Chicago hospital district?

The stench of corruption hangs low over the Obama transition as Richardson is pulled into the vortex. Soon trillions of federal dollars will be splooged into the nimble old hands of these appointed kleptocrats.

Posted by: georgejones5 | December 17, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Guilt by association didn't work in the election & it won't work here! Inferences,inuendo,& fear won't work on the American people.They have to resort to this when they have NOTHING to be for!!! We need politicians for America instead of for a party!Republicans have lost a leg an
d an arm, they,by their attitude. are liable to lose a part further South!" The wise listen & learn; The foolish are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past!

Posted by: asclepious2 | December 16, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

DAStubbs,
Minneapolis==Thank you!! I was beginning to wonder if anyone had actually followed frrom point A to Z in proper order.
I am insulted by the media who repeatedly say Americans have a short attention span.
Posted by: 37thandORules/Posted by: georgejones5 /BLOGOGATE - Blago has every incentive right now to give the Feds all the information he has on Obama.


Michele Obama's jobs are certainly going to be looked into very closely.


Would you Obama people knock it off - you have mud all over you.
Disgusting small minded jerks.
1]Obama is FOCUSSED and moving ahead with staffing hes cabinet.
2]How many times does Fitzgerald have to say there is nothing to tie Obama to blago before you comprehend the statement?
3]Fitzgerald asked Obama to NOT release his internal look at his people and blago UNTIL Mon 22 January.
Posted by: king_of_zouk
Senate Scandal Snares Obama’s Chief Aide Rahm Emanuel has come under pressure to resign by who? when? where to be found?
wtf he gave a list of 20 to be considered not ONE and there is nothing illegal in doing so.
Get over yourselves already. You lost so STFU and get behind the pres-elect or to Afganistan with the rest of the hate USA dogs.

Posted by: katerinaDeligiannis | December 16, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

You guys that call yourselves journalist are simply glorified bloggers. I saw you on MSNBC today and you talked about how Obama is going to have to answer the question before he goes on Christmas vacation. You bloggers couldn't get enough answers from the Bush adm. to keep this nation informed about the lead up to war. Thereby costing over 4,000 lives and thousands injured. Just take a look at just one news channel MSNBC and the hundreds they parade across the screen each day that stumble over their words and simply haven't done research and don't know what they are saying. Earlier Contessa Brewer said, "President Elect Obama had a lot of question from his press conference yesterday." There were only three (3) questions and two were on the picks. Where are the "a lot of questions." Do you bloggers really think we are listening to you talk around in circles.

Posted by: jmb0704 | December 16, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight. The GOP is trying to tie Obama to this when:

1. It's obvious from Gov. B cursing about Obama NOT playing along that Obama wasn't involved in selling the seat'

2. The public doesn't buy that Obama was involved;

3. the GOP stands nothing to gain by doing this;

4. The GOP is going to have 41 Senate seats and, because of the GOP moderates up for re-election, no chance of filibusters and, even worse, getting what they want.

Wow. No wonder these morons are racing toward extinction. I mean there "approach" worked out SO well in the 2006 and 2008 election cycles didn't it? ; )

Posted by: notbuyinganyofit | December 16, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

He comes from Illinois, where the Governor is a crook. And did you notice, he's BLACK! And... omigod... his middle name is "Hussein"! And he SMOKES! And... horrors... his wife once wore a dress the same colors as the anarchist flag! And he once knew a guy, who knew this other guy, who was roomates with this other guy who's LEFT-HANDED and don't believe in Jesus!! And when he left the grocery store, he didn't put his shopping cart back in the rack!!!

C'mon, folks, if this is the best ya'll can do, I'm just going to have to continue CELEBRATING my vote for President-Elect Obama!

Posted by: Iconoblaster | December 16, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I think all this talk of bipartisanship is for the birds. I don't recall the last 8 years having any tint of bipartisanship.
I say lets govern this Country from the left and bring serious changes where changes are painfully due.

Posted by: BFranco | December 16, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse


"somehow I don't think.

Posted by: king_of_zouk "


I couldn't help myself. Using a republican tactic, I cut and pasted Zouk's post, so it would make sense to the literate.

Posted by: Thatsnuts |
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Much appreciated. Somehow, I thought that might be the case. Well, the first step is admitting you have a problem, Zouk...

Posted by: LABC | December 16, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Isn't the key quote here that "It's no secret to anyone who has spent any time following Illinois politics that Obama and Blagojevich were not close."

Everything else is proof of KARL ROVE'S FINE HAND. Smarmy rumor-mongering is his specialty. The GOP/RNC should reject under-handedness as a "sure fail" approach. (look what happened when McCain used Rove acolytes in his campaign. What a backfire!)

We should be spending our energy getting to the bottom of the Blagojevich scandal -- and who was REALLY playing along with him -- and not smearing people's reputations without facts. Let's focus our understanding of the case on what the FBI says. They're the ones with the wire-tapping proof. Everything else is GOP conjecture...and wishful thinking.

Posted by: bweyand1 | December 16, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"somehow I don't think.

Posted by: king_of_zouk "


I couldn't help myself. Using a republican tactic, I cut and pasted Zouk's post, so it would make sense to the literate.

Posted by: Thatsnuts | December 16, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Blagojevich needs to appoint someone today (Tuesday, 12/16/08) to fill President-elect Obama's senate seat. Blagojevich needs to appoint someone who deserves the senate seat, someone thoroughly respected and above the fray. This will then render the charges against Blagojevich largely irrelevant.

Posted by: hungry4it | December 16, 2008 3:02 AM | Report abuse

So every politician from Chicago is corrupt?

Does that mean every politician from the South is a racist?

Just askin'.

Posted by: nodebris | December 15, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Democrats never finish what they start. They like to live and let live. If they gain an advantage they rest on their laurels and don't follow through.
Republicans use this weakness against them, with pleas of cooperation and bipartisanship. All they care about is the rich.
Democrats should use this opportunity to help out the lower 70% majority in this country first and the corporations and the elite last.
It's time for a change.

Posted by: seemstome | December 15, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Mudbone - that was a quote from Zouk. Evidently, you can't distinguish between a quote and an original comment. And that would make you...

...well, it needn't be said. Happy trolling.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | December 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it time that we all quit asking, "How can I gain an inch of partisan advantage for my team", and instead started asking, "What's gone wrong? Something is seriously amiss."

Posted by: officermancuso | December 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Quoting king_of_zouk:
"Wasn't Obama all about campaign finance reform...[blah blah blah]."

Here's some words from a peep: So, during the primaries, the McCain campaign and the RNC desperately needed Obama's pledge to use only federal campaign funds. Why is that? Well, they understood the mood of the electorate was decidely against them and they were witnessing the enormous amounts of money democrats were raising. Obama's pledge was their only hope of attaining some balance in getting the daily message to voters.

Obama tells McCain, fine, let's agree to use federal funds only and we shut down the 527 groups on both sides. No more swiftboating. The McCain campaign and the RNC refused to reign in the special interests groups. So they killed the deal (which republicans are especially good at).

Being the astute politician he is (arguably exponentially smarter than the idiots McCain hired to run his campaign), Obama tells McCain to give it his best shot. Then Obama went out and raised more money from his supporters than anyone could imagine was possible.

You see, my friend, republicans are only interested in campaign finance reform when it benefits republican candidates. If the reform is even-handed, republicans aren't interested.

So I guess when republicans are serious about real across the board reform, they'll deal.

DAStubbs,
Minneapolis


Posted by: dastubbs | December 15, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

When Obama is sworn in, the republican attacks will intensify. Some corporations will win, others like oil will have to settle for Clinton era profits.
Let the filth fly because the House is solidly democratic. There is no way to impeach Obama for common corruption even if he is guilty.
Everything dishonest and illegal pales in comparison to the Bush/Cheney cesspool.
Obama's affairs will have no more odor than a hot biscuit. As for republicans, well, there's no way to get their rotten smell of greed and hypocrisy out of our nostrils, is there?
Blood money from wars is like that, it doesn't wash clean.

Posted by: seemstome | December 15, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

IT'S NOT REPUBLICANS. IT'S RICH WHITE PEOPLE AND POOR, IGNORANT, TOOTHLESS, STUPID WHITE PEOPLE FROM WEST VIRGINIA and there about!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

IT'S NOT REPUBLICANS. IT RICH WHITE PEOPLE AND POOR STUPID WHITE PEOPLE FROM WEST VIRGINIA!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Reading the rantings of the rightwingnuts in this forum is hysterically funny! Now I know where comedian Limbaugh gets his material.

None of them appear to read any news because they believe the press is controlled by democrats so none of them to have any facts. None of them believe any of the polls showing the majority of Americans don't believe their googy rantings, so all they have left is their Kooky Konservative Konspiracy theories from WND and other goofy religious blogs.

And now the Republican National Committee jumps on the Blago bandwagon. Our country is in financial crisis with millions of our fellow Americans losing their jobs and their homes and their retirement investments, and all the republican party can come up with is this stupid video? My god, what a bunch of idiots.

This is how republicans are going keep themselves out power for a generation. Probably longer.

DAStubbs,
Minneapolis

Posted by: dastubbs | December 15, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Someone asked, ""Wasn't Obama all about campaign finance reform?"

No. He was all about change.

Posted by: officermancuso | December 15, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"Wasn't Obama all about campaign finance reform? that is until the money started calling his name. then he broke another promise in the long line of broken lib promises.
Not a peep from the peeps.
Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:46 PM |"
_______________________

Here's a "PEEP'S" answer:
You FRIGGIN MORON, He is not your President Yet! Your President is still stealing and killing/torturing till the last minute! Let us hope there is no "MAKE NICE" and we get all you NEOCONS dead!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

While we're doing scents, the stench of socialism hangs over the Bush administration, which has chosen to deal with a financial panic by using tax dollars to bail out otherwise bankrupt corporations.

What's most repugnant about the stench of socialism, to my mind, is that there's only one employer, and if the voting public decides that people who like donuts are the enemy, all of a sudden no one who likes donuts can get a job anywhere.

Posted by: officermancuso | December 15, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The stench of corruption hangs low over the Obama transition as Richardson is pulled into the vortex.
Posted by: georgejones5
________________________________
Ya'll got a BIG UN GEORGEJONES? SHOVE IT UP YA'LL MOMMA'S BEHIND,,with sandpaper!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"Wasn't Obama all about campaign finance reform? that is until the money started calling his name. then he broke another promise in the long line of broken lib promises.

Not a peep from the peeps.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:46 PM |"
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You've never been more wrong in your life. Obama single-handily reformed campaign finance. He proved that an unlikely candidate could get elected by accepting money from everyday people, not special interest groups or lobbyists.

He signed a pledge to take public money IF certain conditions were met by the opposition such as: putting limitations on 527 groups e.g. having certain expenditures count against the allotted public money. McCain wasn't even willing to sit down with him to discuss these conditions so the deal was off.

Meanwhile McCain was sucking money from lobbyists, you know, the ones who ruined our economy, and using TAXPAYER funds to try and hoodwink the American public that some nit-wit from Alaska was qualified to be next in line for the Presidency.

Posted by: JRM2 | December 15, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The stench of corruption hangs low over the Obama transition as Richardson is pulled into the vortex. Soon trillions of federal dollars will be splooged into the nimble old hands of these appointed kleptocrats.
__________________________________

SOON? SOON? You MORON, right now is where it is AT!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

The stench of corruption hangs low over the Obama transition as Richardson is pulled into the vortex. Soon trillions of federal dollars will be splooged into the nimble old hands of these appointed kleptocrats.

Posted by: georgejones5 | December 15, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

"Let's hope the hole is big enough to go around Paulson's neck,,and tight enough to strangle him to death!

Posted by: mudbone"

Dude, what the hell is wrong with you?

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry mudbone, but I prefer for my most detested politicians to be voted out of office and to live a long and happy private life.

"Death to the out of favor politician" is banana republic stuff.

Posted by: officermancuso | December 15, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"NEWS" peope like Cillizza do dishoner to jounalism. They are down with trash talking and fat arses galore! They are GARBAGE!!! GARBAGE!!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Cannon fire from right and left is a pretty good sign that a journalist has some integrity. And wannabes whining about typos are a pretty good sign that the journalist in question writes admirable prose.

Posted by: officermancuso
_____________________________

You are 100% right there Mancuso. When all they got is a typo (SOMETIMESs CALLED A LEGAL LOOPHOLE), the lawyers will swoop down from the graveyard tree!
Paulson's CEO's are getting bonuses because BUSH/PAULSON wrote a "LOOPHOLE".

Let's hope the hole is big enough to go around Paulson's neck,,and tight enough to strangle him to death!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Penguin Cheney and his oil industry henchmen met back in 2001 to plan the destruction of the United States economy for their enormous short term gains. They needed to invade Iraq but had to have a catalyst to succeed.
September 11, 2001 set the political stage for their plans to begin.
Since those meetings, hundreds of thousands of people have died, constitutional law has been broken time and again and the wealth of our nation has been drained in a fantastically corrupt war, yet no one has agitated for the punishment of the guilty.
2008 finally arrives and with it the possibility of getting some answers, or at least asking the right questions. But what are we concerned with? Diversions, dime store corruption of state governments. The republican sponsored witch hunts similar to Ken Starr's of the Clinton era begin again.
When will we ever wake up from this nightmare?

Posted by: seemstome | December 15, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Heaven forbid that a journalist doing the high-wire act called "blogging" makes a typo, for all you wannabe journalists who delight in finding each one committed by an actual working journalist. Hey, if it makes you feel good, ride it - but it ain't taking you anywhere that's going to pay you a penny for your thoughts, sore though you may be about the going rate for your opinions.

As to even-handedness, if the Washington Post had a journalist who made a better effort to give equal time to Republican points of view than Chris Cillizza during campaign '08, I don't know who that was - and he took it on the chin from left-leaning commenters including, once, me charging bias in the selection of stories but not in the reporting of them.

Now he continues doing what he was doing before, *reporting* (or more exactly here *blogging* but with an American reporter's sensibility), and Republican commenters are getting in their digs.

Cannon fire from right and left is a pretty good sign that a journalist has some integrity. And wannabes whining about typos are a pretty good sign that the journalist in question writes admirable prose.

Posted by: officermancuso | December 15, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

ANYONE THAT NEEDS A LAWYER TO TELL RIGHT FROM WRONG IS AN IDIOT!!

Our Senate, House and most of it is,- what? LAWYERS! YOU BETCHA! They will writ you to the "HUNGRY DOGS!

Just get a load of that "LOOPHOLE HOLE" in the $355,000,000,000 Paulson is jumping through.
The CEO's are "LEGALLY" protected to get their bonuses. Well, maybe we just start shooting these MOFOS!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse


Captain Q: wow...you are still whining about things that happened on Clinton's watch? Does that mean we can start bringing up THE MYRIAD of TOTALLY IDIOTIC decisions made by Bush & Co? I guarantee that if laid out in contiguous fashion, Bush's follies would make most Americans seriously consider why we didn't nominate and elect the CHILD MOLESTER you keep crying about...he couldn't possibly have done a worse job than good 'ol GW.

Sorry my man, nobody gives a crap who Clinton pardoned....it pales next to the catastrophe that has been in office for the last eight years. That dog doesn't hunt.

Posted by: clarkkev | December 15, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The stench of corruption hangs low over the Obama-Axelrod-Emmanuel transition. Just wait till they splooge a few trillion federal dollars into the nimble hands of their fellow kleptocrats.

Posted by: nowanna1 | December 15, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza,
YOU CARRY BAD WATER!!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

The point many are making is Dems don't care what comes out. Who has ever justified Clinton's pardon of Mel Reynolds? Married Democratic Congressman Mel Reynolds had been convicted on August 22, 1995, on 12 counts of sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography. Why in heaven's name would he be pardoned by Clinton? Clinton and Reynolds were Dems so we should cut them some slack, right?


Posted by: CaptainQ | December 15, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Chris, Chris, Chris - no matter how many articles or media interviews you do the facts are THE FACTS.

Your statement, "...incoming President may well be immune from attacks on his character..." I see that not's true for you. Lies and innuendo does not make someone immune from attacks but the truth does and the truth will set you free.

Read Fitzgerald's report!!!

Posted by: rlj1 | December 15, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

If the Republican party were competent to act as an opposition party it would articulate the inarticulate desire of many citizens to preserve as much of life free from government control as possible.

Many who don't spend a lot of time thinking about politics would hear and think, "You know, that's how I feel. I don't want government deciding what I eat, I don't want them keeping records of what I tell my doctor, and I don't want Washington DC telling my local school board and parent teacher association how my children should be educated."

Forging imaginary ties between Obama and Blagojevich in the fevered imaginations of neurotic partisans who spend most of their time listening to Rush Limbaugh will preserve a base, to be sure.

An increasingly useless, increasingly tiny, increasingly mean-spirited base.

Posted by: officermancuso | December 15, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Chris. No one is accusing Obama of making a deal with Blago. The question is: Why didn't the Obama team report that the Governor was soliciting a bribe?
Posted by: grohlik | December 15, 2008 6:20 PM
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Maybe that's why Fitzgerald had to close so fast, you friggin idiot! The day before Fitz took action Barack said all discussions about his vacant Senator seat were terminated. CAN'T YOU READ, or are you another O'Riely?? Or just a Blind Arse?
Barack BLEW THE FRIGGIN WHISTLE!!!!!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"Not only do Republicans have to act as an opposition party, it looks like they'll have to be investigative reporters as well since the WaPo has decided to become a publicity machine for the Obama cult."

awwwwwwwwww, po' bebe. Does the WaPo not tell you the bedtime stories you want to hear?

Maybe you should find some other outlet to coddle your moronical, infantile sensibilities.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Chris. No one is accusing Obama of making a deal with Blago. The question is: Why didn't the Obama team report that the Governor was soliciting a bribe?

Not only do Republicans have to act as an opposition party, it looks like they'll have to be investigative reporters as well since the WaPo has decided to become a publicity machine for the Obama cult.

Posted by: grohlik | December 15, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Captain Q's Illinois entry is all the more impressive when you realize around 20 states have less people than Chicago. I have to disagree on the oldie part though, March 2007 is not long ago, not in investigation terms. He gave us the following news:

Daley agrees to set up fund to compensate victims of hiring scandal, March 21, 2007, Chicago Sun Times, by Fran Spielman, City Hall Reporter. Democratic Mayor Daley of Chicago agreed to establish a $12 million fund to compensate victims of City Hall’s rigged hiring system and abandon his five-year-old effort to vacate the federal Shakman decree banning political hiring. Daley’s former patronage chief was convicted of rigging city hiring and promotions to benefit workers from the Democratic Party.

Political corruption in Illinois is wide and deep. Stay tuned.

Posted by: BothSides | December 15, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

TO AMERICA

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

FROM GEORGE WALKER BUSH

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse


Rather disengenuous for all these Rethuglican hacks to suggest that Obama was making a deal with Blago...didn't one of the recordings of the Governor go something like "All the Obama people want to give me is *appreciation*....Well, F@#$ them!!!".

Doesn't that completely clear PE Obama of any appearance of inequity? These people in the RNC are desperate and it shows.

Posted by: clarkkev | December 15, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"The fact that Blago cursed Obama out on the same tape that the GOP is using to attack Obama with.. is mind boggling..."

It's kind of the nice thing about doing this stuff today. The Republicans can try and pull this stuff, but there will be a dozen independent internet based outlets that will fight back with dizzying speed. It makes it a LOT harder to get this disinformation out. The playing field has leveled a lot since 2004.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I hope Barack, by EXECUTIVE PREVILDGE. orders the death of Cheney, Bush, Bush's Mother, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Delay, O'Rielly, and the NAZI POPE!
Just to show a "GOOD FEELING" in his foreigh policy!
METHOD: HANG BY THE NECK UNTILL PRONOUNCED DEAD!!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

To refresh your memory my pardon remark was based on Clinton's pardon of convicted child molester Mel Reynolds. No one, ever, has made a justification of that pardon. Pardoning Blago would be a pittance compared to the Reynolds pardon. It remains perhaps the singlemost unconscionable pardon in U.S. history. I wrote:

If history is any guide, Obama will likely pardon Blagojevich. Look what Bill Clinton did for Mel Reynolds. The disturbing pardon of Clinton supporter and Democratic Congressman Mel Reynolds is inexplicably missing from "connection" lists. Reynolds had been convicted on August 22, 1995, on 12 counts of sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography. Later he was convicted on 15 counts of bank fraud and lying to the FEC and SEC. This was a child rapist involved with child pornography. But, he received a Clinton pardon.

Who pardons convicted child molesters involved with child porno? What was their connection?

Posted by: BothSides | December 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I think that it is fair to state that Barack Obama worked hard and overcame many challenges in winning his seat in the United States Senate in 2004. It is just far beyond the pale to think that any of his closest aides would have betrayed or denigrated his efforts in winning either his Senate seat or becoming the next President of the United States by engaging in any unethical or criminal conduct in the selection of the President-elect's successor in the United States Senate.

Posted by: thelynngroup | December 15, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I believe Obama made state business happen for Tony Rezco in exchange for a bribe. Blago shows us that this is how it works in Ill. Obama is a crook and he knows it.
If a Republican was mixed up with people like this, would The Fix write it all off as guilt by association?

Posted by: fonkyou | December 15, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"At least McCain is proving to be a "class act," ..."

Oh, McCain a class act? Really?

Read the Rolling Stone expose of this tired facade, and meet the REAL John McCain.

"Class" and "honor" don't belong in the same breath with his name.

Posted by: phoenixresearch | December 15, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

That's better!

Now you've got WAPO on track running cover for your brother again. I was worried that you might get objective.

It's always better to poll your audience during a scandal rather than doing any actual investigative reporting.

Schew! That was a close one...

Posted by: StarsAndStripesForever | December 15, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

BothSides inexplicably wrote, "If history is any guide, Obama will likely pardon Blagojevich."

By that logic, I could argue that if history is any guide, Obama will likely mis-speak when accepting renomination at the 2012 Democratic National Convention and express his admiration for Hubert Horatio Hornblower.

Posted by: officermancuso | December 15, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

The grand jury in Albuquerque is looking into Beverly Hills, California-based CDR Financial Products, Inc. which received almost $1.5 million in fees from the New Mexico Finance Authority in 2004 after donating $100,000 to Richardson’s efforts to register Hispanic and American Indian voters and pay for expenses at the Democratic National Convention in 2004, people familiar with the matter said.


Is there one honest Democrat left in the entire world? Scratch commerce.

batting 0 for 5 Osama.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It will be the cover up of crooked number two that sinks them. It is always the cover up. Rahm is eyeball deep. Osama will throw him away, just like all the others.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Whether the two men have been close or not is irrelevant. Obama worked for Blagojevich's election, and Blagojevich engineered Rahm Emanuel's election to Congress. All three belong to the same political machine. Birds of a feather flock together.

Posted by: suegbic | December 15, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse


The Washington Post published an article titled, Democrats Offer Up Chairmen for Donors (2/24/07). You can find it on Google. Nancy Pelosi admitted they were selling meetings with committee chairman for money. Influence for money. Pay to play.
Posted by: CaptainQ | December 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse
____________________________

The Washington Post will take appropriate legal action into this.
YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED.

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse
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Zork from the planet of Wizzywhack is displeased!!! Bombing will commence in four point two earth minutes.

Posted by: jamesmoylan | December 15, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Cheerleaders (AKA the Washington Press Corps) are now lobbing him softball questions.

I'm an Obama Zombie
You're an Obama Zombie
Wouldn't you like to be an Obama Zombie too
Drink the Zombie Kool-Aid
Drink the Zombie Kool-Aid

Posted by: Tom22 | December 15, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The republotard rants on this board are really funny today.

Same ole' SMEAR and FEAR to support their 'stratergery' of LYIN' and DYIN'!

Same ole' republotards....

Can't wait until they annoint ole' thunder-thighs-failin'-palin as their heir apparent.

Posted by: Heerman532 | December 15, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Blago cursed Obama out on the same tape that the GOP is using to attack Obama with.. is mind boggling...
Plus the media suppressing that fact that there was open animosity between Blago and Obama.. including the less famous that it should be calling Obama a M0ther "F"er and saying "F" them, is equally disturbing.

Imagine if you had to answer for the actions of someone who clearly hated you.
Posted by: case3 | December 15, 2008 5:10 PM |
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Look, INFUSE and ZOUK do not read.
Anyone that has read the "TAPES" knows that the only thing the MOFO was offered was appreciation. He says so himself, and he uses his gangster gutter talk. He's the slime that grows in the BUSH/CHENEY dark!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Zouk,
Can your Mother still breed?
Man, you are a real BOTTOM FEEDER!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Illlinois is so deep in it. Remember this oldie but goodie on political hiring?

Daley agrees to set up fund to compensate victims of hiring scandal, March 21, 2007, Chicago Sun Times, by Fran Spielman, City Hall Reporter. Democratic Mayor Daley of Chicago agreed to establish a $12 million fund to compensate victims of City Hall’s rigged hiring system and abandon his five-year-old effort to vacate the federal Shakman decree banning political hiring. Daley’s former patronage chief was convicted of rigging city hiring and promotions to benefit workers from the Democratic Party.

Posted by: CaptainQ | December 15, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Blago cursed Obama out on the same tape that the GOP is using to attack Obama with.. is mind boggling...

Plus the media suppressing that fact that there was open animosity between Blago and Obama.. including the less famous that it should be calling Obama a M0ther "F"er and saying "F" them, is equally disturbing.

Imagine if you had to answer for the actions of someone who clearly hated you.

Posted by: case3 | December 15, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

How hard will Republicans continue to push on Obama-Blagojevich? And will it work in their favor or blow up in their faces?
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Cillizza , you would not a REPUBLICAN if he "CORNHOLED YOU"! You are a STUPID, FAT, WORTHLESS thing!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

You seriously should consider a class on how Congress works.

>>>>>

all these Libs "know" is what David Letterman tells them. the poll after the election revealed how utterly ignorant all the Obambi supporters were. they had no idea who ran congress, the branches of government, etc. gullible and ignorant is no way to go through life.


Unless you're a Lib, of course.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Could the RNC and like-minded unpatriots kindly sit down, shut up and give Obama a couple of years to serve?

We are all Americans, and Barack Obama will be our president in January. We gave President Bush every benefit of every doubt, leading up to and after 9/11 and much farther into his war and his other escapades than he had any right to expect. Hell, we gave him a second term to right his myriad wrongs, but instead he dug us all deeper in debt and doo-doo.

Considering the culpability of the RNC and the Neoconservative movement in the current pathetic state of the Union, you would think they'd want to stop calling attention to themselves before we vote them out of Congress and various state capitals entirely. Keep it up and the Libertarians will move up in the pecking order.

Posted by: none3 | December 15, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"Dude (ddawd), You said, "Chairmen aren't involved in public policy.""

Yeah, brain freeze. I was thinking of like DNC Chairmen, not legislative committees.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

the most interesting aspect of the pay to play Lib methods are the creative ways they invent to sneak by. who would have imagined selling pardons before the Clintons came along? renting out the Lincoln Bedroom? promising favors once elected - notice how the donations dried up so fast?

now the new kid figures out how to turn of the credit card checker which filters out foreign donations. no need for that. and don't bother with the address checker either or if the names are real. Money is calling. heed the call.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

If you are really in a hurry, just stash the cash in the freezer or put the Senate seat up on ebay. Otherwise you will have to buy your greek collumns through the intermediary channels.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Dude (ddawd), You said, "Chairmen aren't involved in public policy." House and Senate committee chairmen are the most powerful politicians in Washington who affect public policy. Not one piece of legislation passes or is even given hearings without their approval. Why are their huge fights for seats on the Ways and Means committee, and so on? They control the money. You seriously should consider a class on how Congress works.

New York Times. Former Democratic Leader in Brooklyn Is Convicted, By Anemona Hartcollis, Published: February 24, 2007. Clarence Norman Jr., leader of the Brooklyn Democratic Party, the biggest Democratic organization east of Chicago, since 1990, was convicted February 23 of coercion, grand larceny by extortion and attempted grand larceny by extortion in what prosecutors said was a scheme to shake down judicial candidates in exchange for party support.

New York Times. Rhode Island: Ex-Lawmaker Gets More Prison Time, by Katie Zezima. Published: February 21, 2007. Former State Senator John Celona, who was sentenced last month to two and a half years in federal prison for taking corporate payoffs, was sentenced to an additional year and a half in prison after pleading no contest to similar state charges. Mr. Celona, a Democrat from North Providence, will serve the sentences concurrently starting on March 2.

Black Pleads Guilty to Corruption Charges - Took $25,000 from chiropractors for influence, by Paul Chesser, Carolina Journal, February 16, 2007. Jim Black, North Carolina Democratic Speaker of the House, pleaded guilty to taking about $29,000, mostly in cash, from some chiropractors, is looking at a 10-year maximum and a possible $250,000 fine. He also committed crimes related to the state lottery and allowing a lobbyist to use his office and resources. He was considered the most powerful politician in North Carolina.

These state politicians actually impact their citizens, and public policy, more than Washington politicians who tend to do nothing at all for years at a time.

Posted by: CaptainQ | December 15, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

the most dangerous place to be in DC?

Between the public trough and a Libs pocket. It sometimes takes a unique path, but the graft always ends up there. sometimes it is called a presidential library, sometimes a job for a nephew, other times it is gifts from the white house or AFOne, sometimes it is a big promotion at the hospital. It has even been forced low wages to line the pockets of the speaker in her canning factory. Even thuggery at the local zoning board and handouts to nepotist lobbyists.

the simple cause and effect is, they raise your taxes, they line thier pockets.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"GOP" =

Hollow.
Dead.
Vacuous.
Bereft.
Willfully Ignorant.
LOSERS.

Now what was that about Obama?

Oh yeah, he had NOTHING to do with the criminal scum Governor of Illinois.

We see right through the GOP. There is no "there" there.

Posted by: onestring | December 15, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

INFO4 WROTE:

The Republicans are still in election mode and they still don't get it. They lost the election trying to use the guilt-by-association tactic.
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They are in "TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN" mode!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I'd be glad to hear that you support more serious campaign finance reform....

Posted by: kreuz_missile


Wasn't Obama all about campaign finance reform? that is until the money started calling his name. then he broke another promise in the long line of broken lib promises.

Not a peep from the peeps.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post published an article titled, Democrats Offer Up Chairmen for Donors (2/24/07). You can find it on Google. Nancy Pelosi admitted they were selling meetings with committee chairman for money. Influence for money. Pay to play.Posted by: CaptainQ | December 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse
____________________________

The Washington Post will take appropriate legal action into this.
YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED.

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are still in election mode and they still don't get it. They lost the election trying to use the guilt-by-association tactic. Rev Wright, Ayers and now Gov. Blagojevich, if the Republicans want to win an election they need to stop trying to run down Obama and start coming up with ideas of their own.

All the Republicans do is complain. For years they complained about spending and big government and when they got power they spent more and made government bigger. It is hard to take anything the Republicans say as serious since they are all talk and no action.

Posted by: info4 | December 15, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

& a bridge to the 21st Century,

considering that that bridge allows u-turns, it seems THE ONE is headed back to the clinton era. complete with a scandel a week to keep us all interested.

but they do have one thing in common, they are the only politicians from their home states who are not crooked.

OK, I had to laugh.

they have two things in common, hillary is holding something secret over their heads. and of course the administrations are carbon copies, complete with all the failed initiatives and errors in policy.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

IF Fitzgerald, the archetypical straight-shooter, had not already made clear that the Obama camp was not a target, and IF Blago hadn't been taped bleeping Obama for being apparently unwilling to play, THEN this might have some traction. As it stands, the Repubs just look petty and puerile.

Posted by: pdech | December 15, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"dcgrasso1, let's try again. The Washington Post published an article titled, Democrats Offer Up Chairmen for Donors (2/24/07). You can find it on Google. Nancy Pelosi admitted they were selling meetings with committee chairman for money. Influence for money. Pay to play.

The reaction to this was the Republicans did worse. Maybe, maybe not. But the moral compass that says they did wrong, so I can do wrong doesn't work. If it's wrong, its wrong. Illegal and immoral behavior is just that, Democrat or Republican. But try to sell the facts, not rhetoric, here and your sales numbers will be zero. Plus you'll get verbally abused. I've tried, but, nice to see someone trying."

Dude, whatever. Committee chairmen aren't involved in public policy. They are seats in a private club. If they want money from the seat fillers, that's fine. It's not illegal and its not immoral. What Blago did was a violation of the public trust and very illegal.

As for what the Republicans did, I don't think there is any question that what they did is worse. How many appointments were made based on what people thought about Roe v Wade?

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/23/AR2007022301978_2.html

That's not pay-to-play, that's using committe chairs to make a sales pitch to potential donors, the opposite of pay to play. You may not like it much, and if so I'd be glad to hear that you support more serious campaign finance reform....

Posted by: kreuz_missile | December 15, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

list of corrupt Dems

there is now a limit on the characters you can post on this blog. If you go over, you will be filtered. I suggest you break it into about 200 pieces to fit in.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Good luck dcglasso1. I once posted a list of Democrats who were sent to jail in 2007."

Still got it? I'm curious to see.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, you have just described the winning methods of the Libs. run a candidate with nothing going for him and attack, attack, attack. Ignore the facts and use the press."

Actually, that more accurately describes the winning message for Republicans since 1968 (except for the key difference, ignore the facts and attack the press). Obama, like any other olitician, did his fare share of attack ads, but McCain's ads were 100% negative. Other than Reagan, every Republican president in recent years has won on the back of attacking his opponent. No one denies that Bush won 2004 because he turned it into a referendum on Kerry rather than himself, and his slogan from 2000 was "restore honr and decency to the White House." All about attacking the opposition. Clinton- Don't stop thinking about tomorrow & a bridge to the 21st Century, Obama- Change we can believe in; both positive messages about hope in the future. Republicans, all about demonizing the opposition and the government they are asking to be entrusted to run.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | December 15, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Under PeLousy pay-go morphed into pay to play almost imnmediately.

that is what you call old fashioned Lib politics. spend other people's money like crazy and line your pockets as best you can. If you get caught, blame republicans.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

What's the big risk to the RNC - didn't we declare them D.O.A. shortly after the election. What's a little extra difibulation going to do to the corpse? When you've dug such a deep hole scratching at the dirt at the bottom with you fingernails won't get you in that much deeper!

Posted by: newbeeboy | December 15, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

World trade 1, Cole, embassies, refusing to take Obama, etc. He was too busy zipping up to care.
Posted by: king_of_zouk
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You have a sexual problem ZOUK?

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

dcgrasso1, let's try again. The Washington Post published an article titled, Democrats Offer Up Chairmen for Donors (2/24/07). You can find it on Google. Nancy Pelosi admitted they were selling meetings with committee chairman for money. Influence for money. Pay to play.

The reaction to this was the Republicans did worse. Maybe, maybe not. But the moral compass that says they did wrong, so I can do wrong doesn't work. If it's wrong, its wrong. Illegal and immoral behavior is just that, Democrat or Republican. But try to sell the facts, not rhetoric, here and your sales numbers will be zero. Plus you'll get verbally abused. I've tried, but, nice to see someone trying.

Posted by: CaptainQ | December 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sliming the PRes might have worked in 1990 when things were going good and people were easily distracted by the tabloids; these days, not so much.

Posted by: kreuz_missile


Actually, you have just described the winning methods of the Libs. run a candidate with nothing going for him and attack, attack, attack. Ignore the facts and use the press.

someday the facts will catch up with the Libs. It is breathing down the neck of Al gore now and he has been revealed for the charlatan that he is. the ONE will follow soon. As much as he tries, he will not be able to vote PRESENT on an auto bail out. He will go with the extreme left and the unions (the ones who brung ya) and abandon all reason - aka typical lib.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"kreuz - I guess I meant to say bush won with 52% and Obama with 53%."

No, he won with 50.7%

Posted by: kreuz_missile | December 15, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"In other words, the one decision that the Messiah made in his whole life, to oppose the war and the surge, he was wrong, dead wrong and he still can't admit it."

So says Condoleeza Rice, the woman who couldn't imagine enemies of the US using a plane as a weapon (despite two previous plots to crash aircraft into sites like the G-8 summit and the Eiffel Tower?)? Well, if she says so, there's no need to look at a cause-effect breakdown, IT MUST BE TRUE! Phulleze.

We've still got close to 150,000 troops in Iraq AFTER the "surge" is supposedly over, and that's 15,000 more than when the "surge" began. And even with that, we still can't pull back because the gains are still tenuous and could collapse, just as Obama said- it's a shortsighted policy without the political development that is required to achieve lasting success, and we still aren't close to that, we're just pushing it off to the next administration because Bush know's it's not attainable without abandoning our current vision of Iraqi governance. It's still a failure. We're back to using the body count metric, and it's the wrong one to judge success.

"World trade 1, Cole, embassies, refusing to take Obama, etc. He was too busy zipping up to care."

Funny, WT1 was the only one of those on US soil, and it was earlier in Clinton's term than 9-11 was in Bush's. Are you actually claiming no American interests overeas have been hit in the last seven years? And btw, moron, it's Osama, and it never happened.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | December 15, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

McCain's ties to Sarah Palin presented a far more damaging guilt-by-association than President-elect Obama and Blagojevich ...

Posted by: IronGiant1000 | December 15, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Clinton kept us safe for seven years, too

Not quite:

World trade 1, Cole, embassies, refusing to take Obama, etc. He was too busy zipping up to care.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I am what they call "LIBERAL-ELITIST"!
That's anyone that can string a Kind-Thought into the conversation. George Bush's biggest was:
"I'M FOR THE HAVES AND THE HAVES MORES"!

NEVER FORGET THAT ONE FOLKS,,,that's our LAME DUCK-THIEF-TORTURER-MURDER-PRESIDENT talking!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

kreuz - I guess I meant to say bush won with 52% and Obama with 53%. some big diff. this is more a matter of not voting for the worthless DINO McCain, the candidate chosen by the Libs for us.

Libs, if you want a reasoned debate, you must clean up your own backyard. It is full of kooks. scroll down one or two entries. then blame me.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans need to go and run off to the woods like a wounded DOG and attempt to heal the Party before they come out throwing daggers at President-Elect Obama. That under-handed filthy bunch needs to keep their mouths shut before the flys that dwell in their rottening bellys start to fill the air with the stench that makes the world want to vomit. No one wants to listen to that garbage "guilt by association" where the rules only apply to those who are outside of the non-inclusive arrogant lilly-White Republican Party.

Posted by: sabrina2 | December 15, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"....by keeping us safe for 7 years."

Clinton kept us safe for seven years, too; and by your tortured "logic," the Dems in congress have kept us safe as well. Again, decenting opinions are welcome, idiocy is shunned, and you continue to spout tired, wingnut talking points with zero intellect behind them. Tell your party to come up with an idea that actually helps put Americans to work and get our economy going, not just trying to slime the President-Elect because you can't accept the fact that you got your rear handed to you in the last election thanks to your party's numerous failures. Sliming the PRes might have worked in 1990 when things were going good and people were easily distracted by the tabloids; these days, not so much.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | December 15, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Go easy on zouk. His mind is rotted from continually masturbating to Sarah Palin upskirt pics.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 15, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Good luck dcglasso1. I once posted a list of Democrats who were sent to jail in 2007. I was called crackhead, discredited, sob, dungheap, and so on. I even listed the newspapers and dates the stories appeared. This included the New York Times. But posters here at WAPO said the articles were made up. This total refusal to accept reality poses a big problem for those of us who prefer reasoned debate.

Posted by: CaptainQ | December 15, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

who ruined the world!...good job!


Posted by: not-me

....by keeping us safe for 7 years. If you want to talk about ruin, examine what has happened since the Libs took over congress - PeLousy, Reid, dodd and Frank are the culprits you seek. now they are supposed to fix it???
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Your Grandmother "ruined the world" when she did not HANGER-ABORT your worthless Mother!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Kumbaya - I am sure as long as we all go to the far left, we will get along splendidly.

I suggest you scroll down to the bottom to see all the right wing nutcases foaming at the mouth about hatred and intolerance.

the fact is this is a Lib blog. Of course any hate-filled extremist right wing opinion is shunned. Libs always shun hate-filled thought and those who lack common sense. Those right wing cranks... they think if you are not in the love boat, that we want you to go away and die. Embrace common sense, and we'll save the country while enjoying the Obama love fest.

I was saying how he could do no wrong and is above any and all questions and reproach? anyone have a different idea? I know the press agrees, as they have continued to objectively report the moral bankruptcy of the GOP.

Posted by: hiberniantears | December 15, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON – Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Monday Iran has chosen to scale back much of its most troubling interference in Iraq, and she credits the strength of U.S. pressure.

In other words, the one decision that the Messiah made in his whole life, to oppose the war and the surge, he was wrong, dead wrong and he still can't admit it.

Waiting for decision number 2 to play out - the choice of Rahm as CoS. Oooops. "That was not the Rahm I used to know"........Repeat as required.

Batting 0 for 2 on decisions in life.

Decsion 3 - hillary as Sos - the one who only has experience drinking tea and made all the wrong choices in foreign policy, the one that ran from snipers.

Looks like 0 for 3 Messiah.

Decision 4 - the dog. Please stand by, this is complicated.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans shot themselves in the foot during the election by using the guilt by asscociation. They are out of touch, out of ideas, out of power, now they are poised to their blow their brains out. LOL its the first time I can honestly say I love carnage.

Posted by: AverageJane | December 15, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I am glad the nutjobs are exercising their free speech rights that supposedly were taken away by the Bush administration. I like the energy ray one that Bush used on Americans to send them to Gitmo in silent black helicopters.

Obama: "That is not the Rod Blagojevich I endorsed in 2006"

Media: OK

Posted by: thelaw1 | December 15, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"Of course any contrary opinion is shunned."

Contrary opinion is desireable, idiocy is shunned. Like this:

"I don't think that electing Barack Capone by a paltry one point more than bush won by, indicates the demise of the Repubs."

2008
Barack Obama: 52.9%
John McCain: 45.7%
Difference: 7.2%

2004:
George W. Bush: 50.7%
John Kerry: 48.3%
Difference: 2.4%

2000:
Al Gore: 48.4%
George W. Bush: 47.9%
Difference: -.5%

The closest election to compare this one to in recent history? Try 1988:

George H.W. Bush: 53.4%
Michael Dukakis: 45.6%
Difference: 7.8%

Did George H.W. Bush win in 1988 in a squeaker? C'mon Zouk, this is simple history...

FYI, the next congress's numbers will be, at a minimum:

Senate:
Dems 58
Reps 41

House:
Dems: 257
Reps: 178

You've got to go back to 1928 to find Republicans with a bigger edge than that. Tell yourself whatever you need to, but winning the presidency decisively, the COngress overwhelmingly, and holding a majority of governors offices and statehouses isn't a regular occurrence.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | December 15, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

who ruined the world!...good job!


Posted by: not-me


....by keeping us safe for 7 years. If you want to talk about ruin, examine what has happened since the Libs took over congress - PeLousy, Reid, dodd and Frank are the culprits you seek. now they are supposed to fix it??? and the new leader of this effort is?? the guy who can't even decide on a dog. who has never made a decision or led in his life. No wonder the stock market crashed through the floor the minute he won. It is called "no confidence". I suppose he will vote PRESENT and run for emperor.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk wrote:
"I don't think that electing Barack Capone by a paltry one point more than bush won by, indicates the demise of the Repubs. It is infrequent that after 8 years, the same party wins again. It is simple history. something the Lib government education no longer teaches.

Why are Libs always so hysterical? Is it because the women are strong and the men are women?"
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funny...you voted for that "shoe" guy who ruined the world!...good job!

Posted by: not-me | December 15, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

SIGH. I'm not asking anyone to change their political views. I was asking you to post reasonable, polite comments. I happen to genuinely enjoy debating politics with people who don't agree with me.

But if you can't, or won't, fine. Sorry to see your response.

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | December 15, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Jeez! John McCain said let us work on the people's problems not the GOP's? But the GOP just can't help itself, it must shoot itself in the foot again... and again... ab absurdum!

Posted by: Roofelstoon | December 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If history is any guide, Obama will likely pardon Blagojevich. Look what Bill Clinton did for Mel Reynolds. The disturbing pardon of Clinton supporter and Democratic Congressman Mel Reynolds is inexplicably missing from "connection" lists. Reynolds had been convicted on August 22, 1995, on 12 counts of sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography. Later he was convicted on 15 counts of bank fraud and lying to the FEC and SEC. This was a child rapist involved with child pornography. But, he received a Clinton pardon. Who pardons convicted child molesters involved with child porno? What was their connection?

Posted by: BothSides | December 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, if the Republicans can cast the appearance of scandal in the Obama administration, then that gives them leverage. That said, we'll probably see a momentary dip in the polling data this week for Obama, but given the fact that Fitzgerald already said Obama has no connection to the Blago nonsense this has no legs. A news cycle or two as a rhetorical distraction, sure, but I think the Obama Team's reluctance to join in the partisan sniping over the past week will yield a greater benefit than if they had taken their eye off the ball to jump into the fray. In a month, this will have blown over (as far as being a national issue), but the Obama transition will have still been plugging away on matters of state, and will be well positioned to hit the ground running. Once in place, this story will be little more than background noise on the Right Wing Nutcase noise machine.

It is a shame that the GOP is going back down this road. After the scandal ridden Bush years, I think it will take a lot more than simply coming from a state with a corrupt governor to create a legitimate appearance of impropriety on the part of Obama. Telling the Dems that their guy is bad because the governor of Illinois is a slimeball just isn't a talking point that can overwhelm a response which includes only the most rudimentary Bush scandals. Even the most incompetent debater could just stick with Guantanamo and win the argument. To be a President who knows someone who broke the law is a lot different than being a President who knowingly led an administration that was almost entirely dedicated to undermining the most basic tenets of the law.

Posted by: hiberniantears | December 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Kumbaya - I am sure as long as we all go to the far left, we will get along splendidly.

I suggest you scroll down to the bottom to see all your open minded Lib comments spouting off about love and inclusiveness.

the fact is this is a Lib blog. Of course any contrary opinion is shunned. Libs always shun original thought and common sense. If you are not in the love boat, go away and die. now let's get back to the Obama love fest.

I was saying how he could do no wrong and is above any and all questions and reproach? anyone have a different idea? I know the press agrees.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

NEWSFLASH TO THE SORE-LOSER REPUBLICANS! I wouldn't rightly care if Obama and Blagojevich were drinking and golfing buddies who spoke quite fondly of one another. And neither does most of the rest of America because as unsavory a character as Blagojevich is, his misdeeds pale in comparison to what the wealthy elites did to this country under Republican watch. And furthermore, we can see through the attempts to "out" wealthy Democrats who perpetrated or profited from "the mess"; however, Republicans will never escape their naked association with big business and their conflation of self-interest, profit, and morality. This story is a mere distraction from an inescapable truth.

Has anyone in the mainstream media stopped to ask what kind of "contact" would be so damning for Obama? Then asked why would he have any interest at all in striking this mystery deal with a pinch-eyed reptile like Blagojevich?

It is the mainstream news media which is responsible for this continued hoopla. As was reported last week to little notice, Illinois certainly has a sordid history of political corruption, but in terms of population and number of convictions, it ranks down in the teens nationally. Consider also the common sense conclusion that it would have been nearly impossible for any Illinois politician not to have had some kind of contact with Blagojevich, but entirely possible not to have crawled down into the gutter with the man. And let's face it, any American President will have to deal with scum during his or her admininstration, and do it in such a way that he/she doesn't get slimed or skunked. Considering Obama's success despite coming from a state with such a Republicanesque governor, he seems even more fit for the job!

Posted by: iphoenix | December 15, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, this is a serious question. It's not meant to bait you or taunt you, and I never call someone names. Ad hominem attacks are not my style. I'm asking you this because occasionally, once in a long while, I see you post something thoughtful and worth responding to.

What is it that you get out of posting negative comments? Do you believe you'll change anyone's mind by calling them "lib/Dem"? It's certainly possible that I missed it, but I honestly do not recall hearing anything positive from you during the election about McCain, or if you did, it was drowned out by all the negative stuff you wrote about Obama.

You won't get your viewpoint across by trashing those you don't like. I understand that there are Democrats who think it's OK to call Republicans names too, but I've been reading this board for several years and it's almost always you who starts the negativity. If you are personally attacked, it's a 98% probability that you tried to smear someone first and the attack on you is a response. I haven't responded to you myself before this because I just don't like that level of discourse, but I've finally had it and really need to say this.

If you want people to begin to consider your viewpoint seriously, you really need to stop trashing any and all Democrats, and start suggesting solutions that are being proposed by Republicans. Calling the Speaker of the House "PeLousy," or referring to Pres.-Elect Obama as "The Messiah," etc., doesn't do anything except make most people automatically reject anything you say.

To anyone, and EVERYONE who reads this: stop the name-calling. It's childish and only serves to promote division.

Oh, and for the record-- there isn't a single Democrat who will defend Blagojevich. The guy is an absolute sleaze. And I am perfectly happy when corrupt Democrats lose reelection bids (such as Jefferson)-- as happy as I am when corrupt Republicans do.

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | December 15, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that electing Barack Capone by a paltry one point more than bush won by, indicates the demise of the Repubs. It is infrequent that after 8 years, the same party wins again. It is simple history. something the Lib government education no longer teaches.

Why are Libs always so hysterical? Is it because the women are strong and the men are women?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

It makes a nice reminder why those guys are heading for the wilderness.

As soon as the Republican's run FOR something - we'll know that they've "got it".

Well to be fair - technically they're not in the wilderness yet - so some of the old gaurd are still around. And I guess they feel like they have to do something other than spinning in their chairs looking at the ceiling. They're probably finished polishing their resumes.

Posted by: DonJasper | December 15, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I give up. Zouk is beyond help...

Posted by: repubsux | December 15, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has lost it's appeal.......why? Because they have drifted from what is meant to be a REPUBLICAN!!! The true message from our fathers and what America stands for!!!!
Posted by: Steelers2008
____________________________

This is going to sound crazy Steelers but:
1: 1960 ---I voted for Nixon, first time out, did not want any more IRISH CHRISTIAN brothers hitting me ( CARDINAL HAYES MEMORIAL HS FOR BOYS )
2: 1964 --I voted for Goldwater, a real REPUBLICAN!
3: 1968 --I went to Chigago and got arrested!
4: 1972 --I voted Democrat--can't remember the name!
4: 1976 --I voted Democrat, James Carter,,I finally got someone that has proved to be a great/good man over the past 30+ years!
5: 1980 --I voted against RAY-GUN!
6 1984 --I voted against RAY-GUN!
7 1988 --I voted against RAY-GUN!
8 1992 --I voted for William J. Clinton
9 1996 --I voted for William J. Clinton
10 2000 --I voted for A. Gore ( Clarence Thomas did not count my vote )
11 2004 --I voted for John Kerry
12 2008 --I voted for BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA

I just hope Barack ain't into "PLAYING NICE" with the BUSH CRIME FAMILY!
We need PUBLIC EXECUTIONS!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

P.T. Barnum of circus fame said there is a sucker born every minute and the acceptance by many Americans of...THE ONE

proves it. Imagine getting elected with no experience, no judgment, no accomplishments, no idea, no honest friends. who does he think he is - Caroline Kennedy?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

After reasonable people like Powell, Ridge and Jindal finally leave this pathetic, morally-and-intellectually bankrupt Republican party (and believe me, it will happen by 2010), we can finally OUTLAW IT!

Posted by: repubsux | December 15, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Note to the flailing, half-dead, completely worthless Republican Party:

The campaigning is over. Obama has won. Stop trying to "swift-boat" him. Nobody listens to your made up goobly-gock anymore.

Posted by: massmedia77 | December 15, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Typical tatics of a disgruntled party devoid of moral ethics. This is the party of anything goes, no matter of conquences to the American citizen, as long as they have the power.

It has been happening for years and recent events such as the bush/McCain campaign regarding McCain birthing a black baby, same campaign with the slandering and questioning of Max Cleland's courage and hero status, a guy that lost multiple limbs in the Vietnam war. That followed with the swift boat attacks, again slandering and casting doubt on John Kerry, a proven hero in the Vietnam conflict. In the McCain/Obama campaign, numerous attempts of slander and false inuendos on Obama failed but not because of a lack of effort from the RNC and their cohorts.

P.T. Barnum of circus fame said there is a sucker born every minute and the acceptance by many Americans of Republican tatics such as this in recent years, certainly went a long way in proving him right. However, the Republican failure to smear Obama in the last campaign and the continuing high approvable ratings of Obama despite the RNC attacks may show an America that is tired of the RNC having nothing to offer, continues to resort to character assination with lies and inuendo to cover their lack of ideas and governing inability. This is a party badly in need of a cleansing of sins and a rebirth to honorable politics.

Posted by: 1ken | December 15, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

you repugs are coming back?!?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

coming to a race near you, the next election - the senator from IL: bold prediction, seat goes to R

Repubs 4-0
Libs 0-4

somehow I don't think that crooked Harry Reid thought the GA win was meaningless.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Keep it up Repubs, keep breaking the backs of the middle class, keep attacking and trying to make something out of nothing because you just cannot stand the idea that a black man is in power now and worse yet, he might be successful.

Keep it up and there will not be a single Republican in office after 2010.

Posted by: JRM2 | December 15, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Seems as if Clinton has pretty much kept his distance from the intern.


history repeats

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

What did I just tell you about stepping away from the keyboard, zouk? This is getting beyond pathetic. You think because a bunch of knuckle-dragging rednecks in Georgia sent Chambliss back to the Senate, and one or two other meaningless races here and there, that means you repugs are coming back?!? In ya wet dreams, ya lunch-bucket!

Posted by: repubsux | December 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"If the Main Stream Media weren't in the tank with the Democrat Socialist Party, they also would be questioning Barack Obama on his associations."

Actually, there was an article in the WaPost last week about Obama's relationship with Blago.

Seems as if Obama has pretty much kept his distance from the governor.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama is now distracted by this garbage and Rezko and Fitzgerald are the elephants in the room that could ruin Obama's coronation.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So distracted he still can't make his first decision in life. who knew you needed a committee and 300 advisors to pick a family dog?

Maybe after Rahm gets pardoned, he can roll over and play dead in the living quarters. I wonder if he is hypo-allergenic? I doubt it. considering his fetid history.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, this is about the practiced ignorance of the left and their allies the gullible LSM. the treatment of the different sides is astounding to watch.

If every friend or associate I ever had was a criminal, what would you think of me?"

Do you know for a fact that EVERY friend and/or associate is in fact a criminal. This is a stupid judgmental argument. Come on - Every Friend or associate, EVERY Friend or associate.

"What if there was nothing known about me?"

Really? You know nothing about President-Elect Obama - Really? Why because what you know about him doesn't fit into the narrative of what you want to believe about him?

"What if the press never bothered to find out?"

What if the press did bother, but there was nothing out of the ordinary to report? Unlike the GOP, the press just can't make up stories. If there is one thing we know about the press, they will not pass up on juicy story.

"What if I broke every promise I made?"
Again, how would you know if a person has broken EVERY promise that they've made. Name one politician that delivered on EVERY promise that they made. btw, he's not president yet. I'm willing to wait until he becomes president to see which promises he doesn't keep before I start complaining.

"What if I got my house using a felon?"
What if you re-read the story regarding this - did he know he was a felon at the time?

"What if I got my wife a cushy job using my position and OPM."

What if your wife is smart enough to get employment without having to ride on the coat tails of anyone.

"What if I refused to come clean on documents?"

Oh no, not the birth certificate thing again.

"What if I were a Republican?"

What if you are?

WHAT IF, WHAT IF, WHAT IF.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: republicrat | December 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of the point Cillizza is attempting to make, it would hold a lot more water and be viewed as a lot more valid if he empolyed some type of editing. He repeats himself, he misspells, and is incoherent at times. If I have to work to understand more that one line because of a writer's incompetence, who cares what he's saying?

Posted by: thrilho | December 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

CLAIMING THAT ALL REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO USE GUILT BY ASSOCIATION TACTICS IS NOT SO. JOHN S. MCCAIN

But we are discussing Republicans!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

WHAT ABOUT THE CORRUPTION OF THE MEDIA SUPPRESSING FACTS AND CONNECTIONS?
Fitzgerald says Blagojevich also threatened to withdraw funding from a children's hospital unless its executive paid him 50-thousand dollars.
If these allegations are true then scum sucking low life and thief are too much too nice to describe this mutt.
Where was the Washington Post when Obama swam in the muck with the likes of Rezko and Ayers and Wright. Defending him and suppressing the facts is the answer.
Obama surely did not offer any quid pro quo to have his favorite candidate take his place in the Senate but the issue of who must have been discussed or how did Blago know Obama would not play ball and say it on tape?
This corruption was ill-timed for our country. Obama is now distracted by this garbage and Rezko and Fitzgerald are the elephants in the room that could ruin Obama's coronation.
The worst part of the entire stinking mess is that the Media was corrupt in their suppression of the facts.

Posted by: mharwick | December 15, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

CLAIMING THAT ALL REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO USE GUILT BY ASSOCIATION TACTICS IS NOT SO. JOHN S. MCCAIN HAD THE CHANCE TO USE REV. WRIGHT BUT HE REFUSED: WHAT ABOUT THE CORRUPTION OF THE MEDIA SUPPRESSING FACTS AND CONNECTIONS?
Fitzgerald says Blagojevich also threatened to withdraw funding from a children's hospital unless its executive paid him 50-thousand dollars.
If these allegations are true then scum sucking low life and thief are too much too nice to describe this mutt.
Where was the Washington Post when Obama swam in the muck with the likes of Rezko and Ayers and Wright. Defending him and suppressing the facts is the answer.
Obama surely did not offer any quid pro quo to have his favorite candidate take his place in the Senate but the issue of who must have been discussed or how did Blago know Obama would not play ball and say it on tape?
This corruption was ill-timed for our country. Obama is now distracted by this garbage and Rezko and Fitzgerald are the elephants in the room that could ruin Obama's coronation.
The worst part of the entire stinking mess is that the Media was corrupt in their suppression of the facts.

Posted by: mharwick | December 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Electoral record since the Dem high tide:

Repubs 3-0
Libs 0-3

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, am trembling with joy that the Republican Party intends to continue down the road to self-destruction.

As they couple their destructive views of the way the world should work, ie their ideology, with their frenzied anger over those views being rejected, ie the election, they are racing headlong into a political obscurity of their own making.

It is a joy to watch.

Posted by: apspa1 | December 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Next thing they will do is send mail to the people in West Virginia saying "DIDJA KNOW HE HAS BLACK DAUGHTERS?"

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has lost it's appeal.......why? Because they have drifted from what is meant to be a REPUBLICAN!!! The true message from our fathers and what America stands for!!!! It is sad, that we as a Nation are not on TOP as we should be....leading by example in the World. Our Nation forgot GOD! And we get what we deserve!

Posted by: Steelers2008 | December 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ah zouk, zouk. You bucket of beans. You banana pie! We're only trying to help you, zouk. Step away from the keyboard, ya twisted little worm!

Posted by: repubsux | December 15, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a politician, he hangs around other politicians some of them good, some of them bad.

That is all the "THere" that is "There.

Posted by: JRM2 | December 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"If every friend or associate I ever had was a criminal, what would you think of me?"
BB
Posted by: FairlingtonBlade
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If "EVERY, EVERY FRIEND" you have now have is CRIMINAL, yes I would think you are a criminal!
Right now I think you are a MORON!!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

This is the definition of grasping at straws and shows the Republican machine for what it is right now. Incredibly tone deaf. There is nothing connnecting these two and people know, and want some done for the better of the country. There is not one issue the public actually sides with Republicans on exceept the death penalty, so they have spent the last decade distracting. Looking at Obama's post Blago numbers, I think we can safely say this will be neutral for the Reps at best and backfire at worst.

Posted by: bradleyhirsh | December 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

To: "37thandORules"
I won't reiterate your lunacy again, just respond:

What gives you the impression that Michelle and Barack Obama must have been given some undeserved consideration to make it to the place they are today.

They are Harvard and Stanford Honor graduates, do you know any of those, or anything close.

Here's an question: What planet would you have to be from to honestly think that if there was any dirt or scandal connected to Sen. Barack Obama or Mrs. Michelle Obama that such information would have eluded the opposition research teams of the Clinton machine, the RNC, Fox News, etc. The fact that there has been no mention of Rod Blagojevich and Obama in a sentence together up to this point, assures me that there is zilch to implicate the Obamas in this mess. And in fact, you would have to be some kind of keenly aware, most honorable and upright individual to navigate a corrupt and self-interested systemic sewer tank like this and in the end still accomplish good for the least amoung us. That's what we need, WASHINGTON IS NOT THE SYMBOL OF MORALITY AND DIGNIFIED REPRESENTATION THAT YOU MAKE IT OUT TO BE, WE VOTED FOR CHANGE.

This, the wall street bailout (from the Whitehouse) and the coming Auto-collaspe and subsequent ecomonic relaspe will be the ultimate poison pill for the GOP, and I hope they keep yelling foul, and preaching moral hazard to their future homeless constiuents (Southern Gophers- Honda and Toyota, Kia, and Mitshu pupets also will feel the pain as well in time, your voters are not safe, lets see you beg the DEMS to help out in 2011)

Repugs will have to choose between the ideological dogma that allowed businesses to grow to unfailable sizes by dis-impowering workers as expendible, and attempting to make American labor digress to thrid world standards. GM has made more small business owners than any other company in the country. More businesses equal more competition, not just for products and services but for labor as well and thats precisely whats been missing from trickle-down economics, no one can compete with walmart, and if GM Chrysler and Ford fail also, no one will EVER be able to compete with Honda (in my life), the trade deficit will go up (MORE), manufacturing jobs will move to Mexico (faster), and every former Republican making less than 60K will be revealed for the id*&% they've been tricked into becoming agaisnt their better interest, I hope your in that group.

Posted by: ProudSouthernAmerican | December 15, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Go easy on zouk. His mind is rotted from continually masturbating to Sarah Palin upskirt pics.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 15, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Looks like more blind swing smear campaign from America's Appalachian party... the has been Republican Party.

Posted by: PulSamsara | December 15, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk

Is your mother the QUEEN-OF-ZOUK?

You are disgusting!

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"If every friend or associate I ever had was a criminal, what would you think of me?"

That you're a guard at a prison and don't get out much. Presumably, those criminals include the faculty of Harvard Law School, the U.S. Senate, Oprah, Springsteen, and amongst others.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | December 15, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I guess the RNC folks can't remember that guilt by association did not work in the presidential campaign. Or, is it that Republicans have nothing else to say or do except guilt by association attacks.

The rest of us have moved on. Just look at the WAPO-ABC poll results today.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | December 15, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Look,

IT'S MORE PERVASIVE THAN POLITICS! CILLIZZA is a prime example of the fatrot, and stink. He will continue to try and get as many hits on his "BLOG" as he can.

BTW, Washington Post,,,since when do your columnists claim their editorial opinions are a BLOG? A loophole?

Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk
Nice try, but you missed the point entirely ...again!

This is not about the scandal itself, it's about how the RNC is pressing hard to tie Obama to the scandal. It's about the RNC using Rove gutter tactics like they did during the campaign. It's about how the public doesn't like it and how this tactic could blow up in the RNC's face.

You got that?

Posted by: corporatemediawatcher | December 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"The practiced ignorance of the left?" Gullible? Unbelievable. Don't look now, king-of-zouk, but those guys dressed in white with the large butterfly net coming up behind you, are coming for YOU! Do you Palin-votin', Joe-the-Plumber lovin', WMD believin', Mission Accomplished cheerin' lunatics really want to talk about "practiced ignorance" and gullibility?

Posted by: repubsux | December 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

If the GOP had some concrete ideas to contribute to the solutions for our national crisis, AND if they thought they really had some dirt - beyond a reasonable doubt - about Obama, then let them contribute to the debate.

But, like during the campaign, the GOP proved that it is dead in the water. It has become an (ineffective) gossip madam. Shame! Shame! Shame!

Obviously their think tanks have tanked!

Posted by: DavidCurrier1 | December 15, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

re. "Republicans' Guilt-by-Association Gamble".
If the Main Stream Media weren't in the tank with the Democrat Socialist Party, they also would be questioning Barack Obama on his associations. It's sad that today's so-called journalists won't ask ANY politically damaging questions about a candidates associations when that candidate is politically correct, i e Democrat Socialist. They haven't asked about Obama's radical early associations with Black liberationist and white-hater William Combs; his associations with card-carrying Communist Frank Marshall Davis, who Obama had a 8 year father-son relationship with; his association with America-haters and terrorists Bernadine Dohrn and William Ayres; his 20 year association with white-hating and America--hating Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and Jerimiah Wright Jr.; his association with Rod Blagojevichs bagman Tony Rezko and on, and on, and on. If we had real journalists they would have looked into Barack Obama's associations BEFORE becoming President-elect Obama. What little we did hear came exclusively from conservative news sources, while you and the rest of the Democrat Socialist Party--controlled MSM tried your best to squelch, censor, and suppress any news that would damage Barack Obama's chances. It's a good thing we still have Fox News, who are the ONLY real news service where they can still call themselves "JOURNALISTS". The rest are nothing more than shills for the Democrat Socialist Party.

Posted by: armpeg | December 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton said he didn't have sex..he didn't..If O said that O didn't then he didn't. It's the Demo Way.

Posted by: doggit1 | December 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans just look desperate and sleazy. Oh, that's right, they are desperate and sleazy. Their gutter politics and fearmongering have lost some of thier appeal to the American people. They have cried "wolf" once too often. I throw my shoes at the GOP.

Posted by: ElectricBill | December 15, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm.....hard choice....because our country is in arguably the greatest crisis in its history, let's A: give the incoming President an opportunity; let's see if the guy has any answers;;; or B: let's put ideology and party above country. Never mind how much more damage we do to our nation and it's people. All that matters is which party has the most power!!
If your answer is B, then you're scum and you're republican.

Posted by: easysoul | December 15, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

For the past 8 years, America's supposed to just roll over and snore through: WMD, Iraq, torture, exploding deficits, telephone-snooping, politicizing DOJ, Katrina, porous borders, financial de-regulation . . . .

But now we're supposed to wake up and get neurotic over a maybe-connection between Blago and Obama? (snort, rhetorical question.)

Posted by: Sophie2008 | December 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The GOP's tired play comes from the party that held a Klan rally in Saint Paul, MN and picked Sarah "Caribou Barbie" Palin as their No. 2 on the ticket (dressed and styled her as a Barbie doll, too, to the tune of$375K in ten weeks). And the GOP continues to wonder why they lost and are becoming irrelevant?

Face it: Patrick Fitzgerald emphatically notes there is no hanky-pancky with Obama on this deal. The GOP feeble and impotent attempt to create such a nexus requires the willful suspension of disbelief even among right-wing nutjobs like Joe the Plumber and those who attended Palin's red-meat rallies. Perhaps the GOP should spend their time and resources in more useful ways, like trying to become relevant again. Let me know how it works for you.

Posted by: meldupree | December 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The GOP, under the present leadership, continues to show that it ignores the mood of the country and confirms that it is absolutely void of ideas. The GOP will not "lead" this country with a continuation of attack dog philosophy. It will not and obviously provide vision, but that is how they lost and will continue to loose. This moralist party has more of its members resigning in shame, under indictment or in jail than I can remember in recent history. It is ironic that the Religious Right is at the core Bush and his cronies have just nailed that down. With the Bush administration and policies having been exposed as the most inept, incompetent and corrupt in American history, why is the GOP leadership pursuing the same garbage?

Posted by: sd-mouth | December 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually, this is about the practiced ignorance of the left and their allies the gullible LSM. the treatment of the different sides is astounding to watch.

If every friend or associate I ever had was a criminal, what would you think of me? what if there was nothing known about me? what if the press never bothered to find out? what if I broke every promise I made? what if I got my house using a felon? what if I got my wife a cushy job using my position and OPM. what if I refused to come clean on documents?

what if I were a Republican?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Calling Republicans stupid would be insulting... to STUPID PEOPLE!

Posted by: repubsux | December 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Has any one got this yet?

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Posted by: mudbone | December 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

When politics stops being partisan we ar all in big trouble. The two party system itself is check and balance. When all Republicans start talking like McCain and all Democrats like Leiberman we will be in big trouble. If I remember right the next big election is in 2010 and I doubt the vote for Republican's then will hinge on what was said or not said about this scandal. Let's try to scare Republicans from being critical?

Posted by: star_key2 | December 15, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

So, let me get this straight: the RNC, through its spokesperson, Alex Conant, wants to hobble the incoming president-elect at a time of extraordinary national crisis, right? Let me quote the Washington Post: "The goal here is clear: Blagojevich is the prototypical example of political power run amok, and if he can be used in any way to slow Obama's momentum throughout the transition, then Republicans regard that as a worthwhile endeavor." This is absolutely outrageous and a stunning commentary on the party that so loudly hails itself as patriotic! What are they thinking? How will they -- any of us -- be better served by such an endeavor? If the GOP had a true ounce of concern for the well being of our nation it should be doing everything in its power to facilitate a smooth presidential transition and praying daily that the new president will prove admirable, competent, and successful. Instead, it has chosen mean old politics as usual over its obligations to the entire country. Disgraceful, sad... maybe treasonous.


Posted by: gillhistory | December 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

If the RNC tries to tie this to Obama, look for more backlash to the repugs in the immediate future. I mean really, these idiots just don't learn do they? Another AD? Isn't the election over you numb nuuts? With all the corruption going on in the repug camp, you still want to venture down this road? Craig(repug) was denied his appeal to plead innocent so here is this booty lovin shiit talkin butt buttter lover. Then you got Foley(another repug) who likes little boys buttts. Vitter who cheated on his wife with a prostitute and you guys want to claim the moral high ground? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL PALEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZE.

Posted by: gabbamonkey | December 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Haven't the Republicans learned by now that guilt-by-association tactic doesn't work?

I believe most people are sick and tired of those attempts to link Obama to whatever happens to come up on the radar. The GOP have too much dirty laundry of their own, including a racist and nasty presidential campaign. Better start there, if they want to recover.

Posted by: asoders22 | December 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Republicans trying to push a connection between two Democrats that doesn't exist? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. Of course it's all a big conspiracy between Bill Ayers, Reverend What's-his-name, Al Queda, The Muslim Brotherhood, The Black Panther Party, Fidel Castro, Akminimidwhatever, Kim Jong Ill, Satan and Barack Obama to rule the world!

Nothing like taking a losing strategy and doubling down on a bad bet. Go republicans, you'll be the Whig Party yet!

Posted by: cfeher | December 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans spent the 1990s on a big campaign to destroy Bill Clinton, aided by Clinton's own recklessness. But make no mistake, they spent years obsessing on that rather than addressing the country's needs or the real work of Congress. Who knows whether 9/11 would have happened if they had been doing their jobs?

Obama isn't even in office yet, and already they are at the same old game. Party ahead of Country. Shame on them. It backfires badly with this former Republican.

Posted by: bill21 | December 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

Nice try, but you missed the point entirely. This is not about the scandal itself, it's about how the RNC is pressing hard to tie Obama to the scandal. It's about the RNC using Rove gutter tactics like they did during the campaign. It's about how the public doesn't like it and how this tactic could blow up in the RNC's face.

You got that?

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Posted by: obamabackerlc | December 15, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting for the first honest friend or associate of THE ONE to emerge.

whatever you do, don't mention his wifes big promotion at the hospital, you know the one that got that enormous earmark from him. business as usual. Lib graft runs deep.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse
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ok idiot, Obama has MILLIONS of fans, oh I get it now, THAT's why you're mad. He has millions, you probably have to buy your friends or don't have any from the sound of your ignorance. You can mention anything you like about him or his wife but guess what, THEY WILL STILL BE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY, YOU will be another fuukshiit lame skank hatin on "The One" as you like to call him! LOLOLOLOL

Posted by: gabbamonkey | December 15, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Answer: blow up in their faces. Check out the poll on this same web page. Overwhelming, the nation is not buying the republicans attempt to smear Obama. Guess they learned absolutely ZERO from the campaign, trying to tie Obama to Ayers, Wright, etc.

It's over. Once upon a time, these kind of unconscionable attacks worked -- see Saxby chambliss and Max Cleland. No more. The public wants leadership, not a bunch of mudslinging.


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Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | December 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I think this tactic will hurt the Republicans, same as it did during the campaign. Maybe they need to get rid of all the really old guys and Rovians in the RNC and Congress, then maybe the Republican party can get out of this gutter they're in.

Posted by: corporatemediawatcher | December 15, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

funny how a complete Lib scandel is somehow the product of repubs. you can't even take responsibility for your own work. ( SEE Frank and Dodd)

this has nothing to do with Repubs in the least. it has to do with the gross negligence of the press before the election. the earmarks were on the wall, it's just that all the gullible airheads chose to ignore how corrupt the miasmic swamp the One came from and is likely to have participated.

We will all know the day the blue dress comes back from the lab. until then, expect the Libs to cry VRWC until they are RED in the face, make that BLUE.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

This is the new Whitewater and like that episode, it will go nowhere. The GOP however can perhaps be forgiven- they only have two weapons in their arsenal, tax cuts and mudslinging, of which this is a prime example.

Posted by: hairguy01 | December 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else out there ready for Jan 20 and the criminals to get out?
These people are just nuts. Stupidity knows no boundaries or party lines. But I do think the Repubs have nothing left but finger pointing anymore. They have no ideas, they run only on fear, they can't govern worth a crap since they don't even believe in WHAT they're governing....all they want to do is campaign.
Can't Rove just buy an island somewhere and take them with him? I for one would like to get back to the business of being not a Democrat, not just an Iowan, but an American. And if the Republican party wants to make something out of that.....well, you know what you can do with it. I guess we're not quite done with pushing back against the bullies. I mean, really. Its pretty safe to say this governor of IL is a complete jerk. The only surprise to me is that he's not come out as a Republican yet. Must be the shame of admittance.

Posted by: SYWanda | December 15, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk

To bad your hero George W. Bush can't serve a third term to continue the outstanding job he's done for our nation, HUH?

Posted by: JOHN314 | December 15, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

RNC? Are they still around? Didn't anyone tell them Americans don't like republicans anymore? They don't like republicans leaving a city to drown, they don't like using lies to start wars, they don't like allowing crooks to run unregulated with our life savings on Wall Street, they don't like political and religious litmus tests for getting a government job.

It seemed after the elections that the republicans were looking inward, maybe trying to refocus on their core values. Guess Rovian politics worked too well to give up. The republicans fooled some of the people some of the time but I thought they learned you can't fool all of the people all of the time, which was Rove's approach. Oh well, maybe another voter smackdown in 2010 will remind them just how unliked the do-nothing, visionless republicans are in America not to mention around the world. Maybe its time to start throwing shoes at them all to get their attention.

Posted by: bevjims1 | December 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

GOP should just take this time to lick their wounds and think of a new gameplan. Bashing Obama now just seems like sour grapes to me, and serves no purpose.

Posted by: FH123 | December 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Senate Scandal Snares Obama’s Chief Aide Rahm Emanuel has come under pressure to resign as Obama’s chief of staff after it was revealed that he had been captured on court-approved wire-taps discussing the names of candidates for Obama’s Senate seat.

the first to go was the first to arrive. the politics of change

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans rubber stamped Bush/Cheney for 6 years, doing tremendous harm to our nation. Tossed from the majority in the House in 2006, and the Senate in 2008, they now peevishly want to tar President Elect Obama with Blago. Talk about a ridiculous reach. I guess once you start slimming it's hard to stop. "That's all they got." They are truly pathetic. Adios, GOP, you had your chance and you blew it, much to the American People's detriment.

I'm looking forward to some much needed comedic relief with Palin 2012!

Posted by: JOHN314 | December 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting for the first honest friend or associate of THE ONE to emerge.

whatever you do, don't mention his wifes big promotion at the hospital, you know the one that got that enormous earmark from him. business as usual. Lib graft runs deep.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

RNC thinking...

"Tie Obama to Rev. Wright". [does not work]

"Tie Obama to Bill Ayres". [does not work]

Hmmmm, let's see, maybe we should "tie Obama to Rod Blagojevich". Yeah, THAT will work!

Hey, maybe the leaders at the RNC can get executive level positions at the Big 3 automakers! They exhibit about the same level of foresight and sagacity...

Posted by: AdrickHenry | December 15, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Even worse than the incredibly stupid things that Blag-o has done is what the Republican noise machine is doing. Of course after the election, the republicans started claiming that they wanted to run a bipartisan wing-ding for the next four years, and that to investigate any wrongdoing by anyone who had held public office (read the White House) would be counterproductive. That attempt at compromise lasted about a month. Now the radio shocks are at full throat, like hounds after prey, and that TV network is just about coming unseamed over one Democrat’s insanity. However the target is not really the governor of Illinois, it is, of course, President-elect Obama and his advisers.
These misguided jackals might just want to stick a sock in it for the next four years and hope that our new administration and congress can dig us out of the mess that their heroes have made of the nation. Otherwise, they may end up with nothing to rant about. A smoking crater probably isn’t a good place to find an audience, no matter how rabid.

Posted by: spencer911 | December 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Back to the Clinton rules of journalism. If there is even the faintest suggestion of wrong doing from the far right wing nuts we will call in a special prosecutor. I am flabbergasted that we got not one special prosecutor for the Bush administration. Clinton's scandal would not rank in the top 100 Bush scandals.

Posted by: jswallow | December 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama will remain untainted by the scandal, as I'm sure will Emanuel.

But it wouldn't matter to me. After 8 years of the GOP, you could show a video of Obama accepting a bribe while getting a bl*wjob - he's still got what the country needs: He's not a Republican.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | December 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Slippery politicians in Illinois are not limited to the governor; the system of friends and family patronage and payback is much wider and established. Obama came from this swamp, and a legitimate question for everyone – not just Republicans – is how involved he has been in the favor, fund raising and influence swapping that goes on. Perhaps you should consider the relationships between Emil Jones (President of the Illinois Senate, strong supporter of both Gov Blagojevich and Obama). Following the not-so-secret don’t pay me just pay my wife strategy, you might reference compensation directed by the Governor to Emil Jone’s wife. Jones by the way has indicated that when he retires he’d like his son to take over the family political position. Todd Stroger, as much appointed as elected Cook County President despite his primary qualification being that his father was the prior President. Obama supported Stroger’s election, and the resulting disaster of a ‘friends and family’ county government may actually be a bigger embarrassment for Illinois than the current ineffective governor. Lets see, there is Mayor Daley and his famous machine – often a target of investigations, who recently was astonished to discover that his son and nephew were secret part owners in a company with multi-million dollar City contracts. Illinois House Speaker Madigan, whose daughter is the State’s Attorney General (and considered a future candidate for governor)…

It is worth hoping that the stench of Illinois politics will force Obama to run an especially clean government. Please keep the attention on the Illinois Way, and don’t blame the critics as Republican wackos. In Illinois we all pay the cost of bad government. Washington is a big enough mess. If the two are combined then everyone will lose. Well, everyone but friends and family.

Posted by: john_falck | December 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm I the only one that remembers that the previous governor of Illinois, George Ryan-- a Republican--was forced out of office because of corruption, bribery, and other scandals? He was convicted of all 22 counts in 2006. Maybe, the Obama team should remind people of that. Illinois politics is full of corruption on both sides of the aisle and Obama's ethics laws passed when he was in the state senate helped to take the current governor down. The do-nothing Republicans who can only stand in the way of useful legislation being passed and attack--because they have no plan for the future and all their ideas have failed miserably--are just trying to score political points at a time of economic crisis. This is just plain petty. Have we all forgotten Ted Stevens' seven indictments, Mark Foley, Jack Abramoff, Tom DeLay, Larry Craig, David Vitter's seven prostitutes, Donald Rumsfeld's torture scandal, and Bush's lies that led us into Iraq.... But I guess that last point was all due to George Tenet and faulty intelligence...even though President Bush handed him the Medal of Freedom (the highest civilian honor) after he was forced to resign.... --Michael

Posted by: mcls1442 | December 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The poor RNC. It's like they can't help themselves. Folks, the perpetual campaign is over. Karl Rove is at home in his den watching Oprah and cranking out WSJ oop-eds. People are throwing shoes at your guy. Take the rest of the month off, work through your anger, and come back to us in January with new ideas.

Posted by: sheehanjc | December 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

How do you spell whitewash. The lib press backs must hurt by now from bending over the table the entire election cycle.

I was looking for some vaseline at the drug store but they were all sold out. They said the members of the press had been buying it from the manufacturers in bulk to stock up for the next four years of the Obama presidency.

Last week WAPO reported Obama as saying no members of his staff had any conversations with Blagojevich about appointment of a Senator to replace Obama.

This article is hilarious as it tries to turn attention to the Republicans instead of the stonewalling for Obama and his staff. Looks like Richard Nixon is on payroll for WAPO now form beyond the grave.

Posted by: msmithnv | December 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I think it's really precious how the cute Republic Party operatives pretend that their idiot heros Bush and Cheney and all their pals are honest. $10 trillion stolen from the United States Government and counting. Now that's a heist. And they got away with it!

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | December 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

BLOGOGATE is leading directly to Michele Obama and the jobs she got - were they Obama's pay-off in pay-for-play schemes
Rezko, Obama's friend, has yet to be sentenced.

Blago is going to tell the Feds E V E R Y T H I N G he knows - sorry guys - there is enough dirt on Obama to create a new mountain in the Rockies.

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Posted by: woodard3 | December 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I love the way the RNC keeps shooting itself in the foot. They will pay for it in 2010.

Posted by: titan21 | December 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Chris: If not, will voters perceive this strategy as nothing more than a partisan attack at a time when people want political leaders to come together to solve problems?

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Your statement above says it like it is - we, voters, just want our economy repaired - we are tired of all the Republican attacks; the election is over - it is time for us to work together to get USA back on track to prosperity.

Posted by: ct2k12830 | December 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Remember - Bill Clinton was the only honest politician from Little Rock.

why is the LSM and the moonbats so intent on ditching blago? What happened to the cherished notion of innocent until...

It does not apply if the stink wafts over the messiahs way. stop asking questions. He's already answered like 8.

still not a single decision though.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | December 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Since the Republican Party has demonstrated its utter blithering incompetence at running this nation, all that they have left is to urinate all over the guy who is now trying his best to do the job. Like, Obama is a Democrat from Illinois. Bleepojevich is a Democrat from Illinois. That proves it! He's guilty by association.

Posted by: cwh2 | December 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"sorry guys - there is enough dirt on Obama to create a new mountain in the Rockies."..In your mind perhaps, but then you're dreaming.

Posted by: rrau22 | December 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The GOP may want to reread the story of the boy who cried wolf. It is one thing to preach to the choir in neutral times, but if you do it over something frivolous in desperate times who will believe you when Obama's legislative priorities start hitting Congress this winter/spring?

On the other hand I'm not sure it matters, at a national level, anymore. With the vote on the Detroit bailout they may have lost Ohio and Indiana for a generation. Remember the flap about "clinging to guns and religion"? That was from a San Francisco liberal who just didn't understand that the thing about Reagan Democrats is that they don't change course with the prevailing wind. Well, those Reagan auto workers in MI, OH and IN heard the Republicans loud and clear. I've heard a negative thing or two said about the Republicans by auto workers, but this weekend it was the party, not an individual or a policy that was being damned. If they don't reverse course soon, those stubborn voters will turn their backs to the Republicans and with them goes any strategy for the Republicans to get to 270.

Posted by: caribis | December 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmmmmmm.....After 8 years of total c r a p, the Republicans are still going strong in the wrong direction. We are in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the "Depression", and these twits are relevant?This is the same reason that they were so reviled last time....for their total lack of any scrap of decency in overcoming the "depression". Not a bg fan of "Cheney", but I think he got it right. If they (the republicans) don't get this right, you can right them off for another generation or two. What a bunch of Pinheads......

Posted by: woodard3 | December 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Let the Repubs keep running there mouths,this way we can get the majority votes in the Senate next election.

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | December 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

RNC ..takes a lickin and keeps on suckin

Posted by: cmsatown | December 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by sque1: "The dems did the same thing with Bush and other republicans. They learned from the dems that if you keep up a constant drum beat you begin to put doubt into peoples mind."

Actually it was Lee Atwater who is best credited with the modern smear campaign. The so-called 'Reagan Revolution' was in fact the 'Atwater Revolution starring Ronald Reagan and Two Guys Named Bush'. Karl Rove, Steve Schmidt, et al are direct descendants.

A main tenet of Atwater politics is the power of the negative. Politics is all about perception, and simply repeating something bad about your opponent, no matter how baseless, is usually enough to depress his/her poll numbers. As Howard Dean noted after the 2008 election, negative campaigning works, but too much negative campaigning eventually turns the voters off and can actually elevate your opponent in their eyes. Obama's poll numbers first dipped, then began to rise in the wake of Palin's inflammatory rhetoric. Of course, her obvious lack of knowledge about the world worked against her, too.

There's a reason the crazies who were yelling 'kill him!em' were at Palin's rallies rather than Obama's. That's who Palin was appealing to.

Several observers have noted that GOP politicians have a habit of accusing their opponents of their own sins. In the midst of profligate spending and massive corruption in Iraq, for instance, the Republicans begin hounding the Democrats about supposed waste in government. After having insisted via Dick Cheney that 'deficits don't matter', they suddenly become deficit hawks when it's Obama who is approving the budget.

I've always thought the GOP was much more comfortable as the opposition than as the party in power. They don't like or trust government. That's why they prove so miserably inept at governing when the electorate is foolish enough to give them a majority. Neocon ideology requires them to step on their own feet.

So sorry -- it's the GOP who invented the mean campaign style you see today. And still excels at it, I might add.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Most Repubs with common sense (e.g., John Sidney McCain, Colin Luther Powell, Chuck Hagel) want no part of the guilt-by-association smears. These attacks recently have not worked (after all O won despite G-B-A- attacks involving Resko, Ayers, Wright, and Pfleger) and in the end they backfire because they show weakness on the substantive issues people care about (economy, gas prices, jobs, etc.).

It is hard to understand where the extremists think this is going; the prosecutor already exonerated BHO right at the time he announced Blags arrest.

BTW, an earlier poster asked what "37andOdrools" eats. The answer is: bacteria. Another asked whether he had a life. Short answer: no. Long answer: no, not by Western World standards.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | December 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If they've got proof of immoral, illegal or even inappropriate behavior, bring it. Otherwise, shut up and get to work.

How can the RNC be this irresponsible. The issues facing this nation and the world are so much bigger than they seem to be able to deal with on their best day and they're spending time on this??????

Posted by: PresPlumb | December 15, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I see the media trying to make the guilt-by-association connection, not the GOP. But, just like always, the media's hands are always clean.

Posted by: JAH3 | December 15, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

OK, so they are done witht the "Obama is a Moslem " [sic] and "what do we really know about him?" routines, right?

Posted by: ItshotinPHX | December 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. I thought I just voted a month ago. Did I dream that?

Posted by: dane1 | December 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The Party of Hoover has a real chance of convincing the Beltway punditocracy of Obama's guilt, after all he does live in Illinois, but it won't work with America this time around and will probably explode very badly at the feet of the Hooverites and their media running dogs.

Posted by: oldguy9 | December 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The Ill republicans must be a pretty dense minded bunch. It's just a short time since the republicans ran a negative smear campaign during the presidential and it fell on its face. Now the Ill. group decides to try it again. They are putting themselves way into the barrel with their stupidity. Basically un-American in light of all the problems we have facing us.

Posted by: rrau22 | December 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

If the RNC couldn't make the Rev Wright issue stick to Obama, this certainly won't. Obama had even less to do with Blago. Blago is on tape calling Obama an MF. Republicans need to get a clue. Obama and Democratic supporters are #1. Sick of Bush and Co. #2. Sick of Rovian tactics and this has Rove all over it. #3. Had it with governance by slogans. Slogans that were a bait and switch routine.
To the GOP: start working with the rest of us or spend a lot of time in the wilderness. We all believe that Blago has to go. We all believe Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be in jail. Blago is probably the only one who will actually receive a punishment for his crimes which again killed no one as far as we know.

Posted by: lynettema | December 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

We just went through a very devisive, thanks to the RNC, McCain and Palin and the rest of the Republican cronies, polictical campaign. Obama has not even been inaugurated yet, and there is not even a hint of wrongdoing, other than the usual guilt by association peddled by the Rebuplicans and already they are ready to discredit someone, for the only purpose of ingratiating themselves and aiding their own re-elections in 2010. Until the Republicans start rolling up their sleeves and start working to become part of America's solution, rather than a big part of its problems, then they should remain in the wastelands of political life. How about getting to work for the country and letting the media and public investigators do their work for a change.

Posted by: dlaselvaca | December 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is intent on being a minor party. If GOP know-it-alls have evidence that Obama has done something illegal they should immediately forward it to Fitzgerald, otherwise it is just blather. The GOP can only be considered a serious party if it puts ideas forward, not blather.

Posted by: merrylees | December 15, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

correction to below:

That should have been "filibuster proof Senate," not "veto-proof Senate."

Sorry, still having Bush nightmares.

Posted by: scootmandubious | December 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

How very patriotic of the RNC to try to undermine the President-Elect based on scant to contradictory evidence of any kind of dealing with the Illinois governor. Someone should inform the RNC that the campaign is over, the election has been won, and it's time to come together as Americans.

Posted by: gailjens | December 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I find it rather amusing that because Obama and Blagojevich both hail from Illinois, and also come from Chicago, then the RP believes that they're both "tainted".

However, Ted Stevens and Sarah Palin both hail from Alaska, yet I see no attempts to paint them with the same paintbrush.

The reason Obama won the election was because he was able to elevate himself from the mud-slinging and stay on topic. I think the Republican Party needs to go back and see what really worked years ago. Rovian-style tactics are Pyrrhic, you may win the battle, yet lose the war.

Posted by: MichelleKinPA | December 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it.

Another way of putting it:

As Forrest Gump would say, stupid is as stupid does.


Posted by: can8tiv | December 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The dems did the same thing with Bush and other republicans. They learned from the dems that if you keep up a constant drum beat you begin to put doubt into peoples mind. As far as your poll I would say it has hurt if you could only come up with 51% since your polls are always wrong in favor of dems. This has all just started and you have know idea what was caught on tape. As far as people approving of Obama right now is because he hasn't done anything. We have Rangel in the wings and the Jefferson trial so it is going to rub off on the dems whether the media likes it or not. I think Obama made a big mistake by putting so many Washington insiders in his adminstration because before long the back stabbing will begin.

Posted by: sque1 | December 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

We now know what the GOP mentality is going to be for the next 4 years...just attack Obama at every opportunity (as they did to Bill Clinton).

This time it won't work. If their mindless, divisive strategy continues, 2010 will see the GOP having put the nail into their own coffin, as Democrats gain a veto-proof Senate.

So RNC, and your talk show mouthpieces, keep it up. If you think that America wants a Rush Limbaugh-inspired platform of 'us against them,' you will learn your lesson soon enough.

Try being uniters for a change. You might like it.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com

Posted by: scootmandubious | December 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

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BLOGOGATE is leading directly to Michele Obama and the jobs she got - were they Obama's pay-off in pay-for-play schemes.


Rezko, Obama's friend, has yet to be sentenced.

Blago is going to tell the Feds E V E R Y T H I N G he knows - sorry guys - there is enough dirt on Obama to create a new mountain in the Rockies.

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Posted by: 37thandORules | December 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

guilt by association seems to be the SOP of the GOP these days -- never mind actual guilt, or actual anything, if we can prove that you were in the same room with someone we can paing as scummy, that's enough, questions raised, "What was really going on?"

Waht's really sad is that, despite the lessons of the last 8 years, and despite the disasters facing the country, for the GOP it's still all about winning elections at any cost.

Posted by: summicron1 | December 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I doubt anyone in the GOP really thinks they are going to be able to take down Obama with this story, what it does do is lay the groundwork of doubt in people's minds for the mid-term elections that are less than two years away.

Posted by: wolfcastle | December 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"BLOGOGATE - Blago has every incentive right now to give the Feds all the information he has on Obama."
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Exactly. And so far it looks like all of that information tells us that Obama did nothing wrong.

In fact, it looks from the tapes like one of the things that he was angry at to Obama people over was the fact that they wouldn't play ball with him, and refused to join him in corruption.

Over and over during the long election process the lament of opposition researchers (or both parties) was that Obama had no real dirty secrets. That's why all the negative stories circles around people he knew - the only bad thing Obama seems to have ever done is tolerate people he probably shouldn't. There isn't even any evidence he agreed with these folks (Ayers, Wright, etc), he simply had a "live and let live" attitude about working with them, and walked away if he felt himself risking compromise. Frankly, most Americans find no problem with that.

No, the worst Obama or (more likely) his staff are guilty of here are "Good Samaritan" crimes - they may have known that the Governor was making improper suggestions and failed to report that fact. Since they have apparently come clean now that they know he is under investigation, that fails to even rise to the level of an unsmokable cigar.

Next "scandal" please.

Posted by: dj333 | December 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama was corrupt before, so why should anyone wait?


Posted by: 37thandORules | December 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

You are what you eat.

Posted by: greg3 | December 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Um, can't the RNC and the MSM wait until Obama is actually sworn in before suggesting he's corrupt? You guys seem way too eager to paint Obama as an old-style Chicago politician.

Are you worried that your papers (in this case the Post) will be bankrupt before Obama takes office so, therefore, Post reporters are smearing Obama now before it's too late? I see no other explanation...

Posted by: Seneca7 | December 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Blagojevich=the new Bill Ayers

Posted by: tgkthree | December 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"Turns out McCain has more class than the entire RNC."

True; by so does your average turnip.

Posted by: thrh | December 15, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/?hpid=topnews

Polling evidence that their nonsense isn't working.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I used to think that most of this trash was simply cynical scandal-mongering for short-term political benefit. I have gradually come to believe that the hard-core Republicans actually believe this crap; there is no functional difference any more between the remnants of the Republican Party and the "I was abducted by aliens" crowd. It doesn't matter any more about reality or evidence, or anything - as long as they want it to be true, it must be true.

Posted by: jcrobin | December 15, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe that Iraqi journalist is on to something - the RNC would probably be better off developing a reliable shoe-launching device than peddling this pablum.

Posted by: officermancuso | December 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"(Was anyone else stunning by Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn's admission on "Meet the Press" that he hadn't spoken with Blagojevich since August 2007?)

I assume that web logs are not copy edited at the WaPo. Perhaps these grammatical errors could be corrected during the day."

In all fairness, when I woke up Sunday morning, I looked like a wreck. Unshaven, bed hair, ratty sleeping clothes. However, by Quinn's announcement, I was just stunning.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

There is a related story to this. Ron Kirk appears to be a finalist for Secretary of Transportation. The fact this man is even being considered for any position tells me Obama has already lost control of his people. People who know Ron Kirk's history in Dallas know you could not trust him to hand you a clean towel in the men's room.

Given how far Kirk has made it through the process, I am now convinced Obama has people running the show their way and not the way Obama intended. This leads me to believe someone on the Obama team may get nailed on the Blago Affair.

I am very concerned that the next step is appointing US Attorneys who will insure corruption by Dems and Dems operatives is kept covered up.

Obama better wake up before his operatives drag him down. He is not even in office yet, and is already disconnected from the actions of his own staff.

Bobby Wighthman-Cervantes
www.brownsvillevoice.blogspot.com

Posted by: bobbywc | December 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually, with both their anti-UAW opposition to the domestic bailout (or even loans) in favor of foreign auto manufacturers with non-union plants in their states, and their kitchen-sink anti-Obama strategy, what the Republicans is further isolation and identification as the "Plantation-Party": a party of southern white "overseers" who see their job as the keep the rabble in their place so their bosses in the Big House can sleep more soundly. To be honest, it makes them look like the leaders of some banana republic, doing whatever they can to make their country a better place for foreign companies. And I say all this as a southern white man.

There is something unseemly about the GOP fighting for a lowered "maximum wage" on the behalf of Japanese, German, and Korean companies. There is something disingenuous about their insistence that our Big 3 stand on their own two feet, while having no problem with the massive public subsides that these foreign companies get both here and at home.

It was like when we got to watch Bush's economic officials try to explain to Congress why it was unacceptable for OUR government to own American companies, but perfectly fine for foreign governments like the Chinese and the Emirates to buy as much as they'd like. Once again the formula is the same: American=bad, foreign money=good. All their little theories are just fig leaves, and go out the window when things heat up.

2010 is going to be a bad year for the GOP in most of the country. The idea that the president's party always does bad in off years has not been true for more than a decade: it's actually been the reverse in two of the last three cycles. If the Republicans are counting on a bump then to validate whatever they are doing now, they are in for a rough time, and will lose whatever little power they still hold in national politics. They also stand the chance to lose state-level power just as new districts are being drawn, which will weaken them even more at the federal level for years to come.

But don't expect them to change course anytime soon: they still haven't hit bottom yet.

Posted by: dj333 | December 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Republicans still don't get why they were beaten so badly on election day. The public is tired of empty partisan wrangling and want to move on with a different kind of serious-minded politics. But Republicans just can't help themselves. They can't resist trying to score points, even on sketchy evidence or none at all, against our new president before he's even taken office yet. And to what end? Making it impossible to govern the country? John McCain gets it even if the rest of his party does not. By their actions over the last few weeks, Republicans have shown how unserious they are about being a national governing party. Scoring points against Obama, even if it means making it harder for him to address the serious issues facing the country, is right up there with the points these Republicans wanted to score against unions, even if taking down the UAW meant taking down 3 million workers with it. These guys are pathetic. They were just devasted in the last election and rather than reflect on that fact they are still playing to their base?

Posted by: TedFrier | December 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Andygoldman asks why the Republicans have gone into attack mode.

#1. That is their normal attitude. It's always all about politics to the Rovians. They would polticize Christmas if they could - oh wait, they already do through their surrogates at Fox.

#2. If they can give the myth legs and get an investigation going, the distraction might derail Obama's vision for the country. Then in 2010 th RNC can begin talking about the do-nothing Democrats.

Posted by: jtn123 | December 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

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The Obama people just do not get it: Obama has been giving Blagojevich the elbow for quite some time and now it is pay-back time.


Blagojevich was livid that Obama was made the keynote speaker at the 2004 Convention - at the time Blago was the Governor and the rising star - Obama was still a State Senator.


There is no secret that Blago wanted to run for President - perhaps that was part of the reasoning why Obama ran so early - to edge out Blago and attempt to get the Illinois fundraising crowd behind his national aspirations instead of Blago's.


BLOGOGATE - Blago has every incentive right now to give the Feds all the information he has on Obama.


Michele Obama's jobs are certainly going to be looked into very closely.

Would you Obama people knock it off - you have mud all over you.


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Posted by: 37thandORules | December 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

in fiction all could be easily reduced to a tale of backstabbing intrigue rabid greed
and clandestine tribal maneuvering to betray the one who holds the coveted crown and profiteer to the max during the stabbing process.reality does not seem to be pointing to a more positive narrative.
The good news? Barack Obama began a global movement backstabbers don't fit in.
And obviously it 'irks'

Posted by: tabita | December 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

CC wrote:

(Was anyone else stunning by Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn's admission on "Meet the Press" that he hadn't spoken with Blagojevich since August 2007?)

I assume that web logs are not copy edited at the WaPo. Perhaps these grammatical errors could be corrected during the day.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Rove is up to his old games and he thinks the world is the same as it was in 1999. Poor Karl, he just doesn't get it. He's going to rile up the same Republican types that lost this election, use the same old 'guilt by association' tactics and he'll get the same result. People are hurting and they see this as trivial. But all the Roves and Joe Scarborough types know is to keep throwing trash, hoping that Obama will be wounded and not able to get his programs off the ground. They did it to Clinton and they will try again. The bottom line is that we've conclusively learned that this time the Republican party really is dead. Until a majority of that party come up with a plan for America, policies and solutions, all the guilt by association bombs will do is sink the Republican Party even further. Let's see, lied us into war; economic thievery aka ENRON, now the economic collapse, and add a sprinkle of Katrina. Yep, nothing like a sterling record to get some guilt by association activities rolling. Karl, you need to get a new profession. You're no longer considered an expert in this one.

Posted by: DeboG | December 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Lets see: First Obama was a closet muslim. Next he hung around with and was a real buddy of domestic terrorists. Of course he was an unAmerican black power revolutionary. He was a Marxist. He isn't even eligible for the Presidency.

Now he's from Chicago.

Turns out McCain has more class than the entire RNC.

Posted by: toritto | December 15, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Blagojevich has 100% power appointing the next Senator.
Is it reasonable to assume that the future most powerful man on the planet wanted no input into this decision?
When did it become a requirement for politicians to be friends before they collaborate on illegal activity?

Posted by: Hawaiian_Gecko | December 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans are so excited about connecting dots, maybe they should finally provide us with evidence that George W Bush actually did serve his country honorably in the Texas National Guard. We've been waiting for nine years for someone to prove that one.....

Posted by: gmcduluth | December 15, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Apparently someone forgot to tell the RNC that the election is over (and they lost). I would be surprised if this works. It's one thing to be broadcasting this on talk radio, that's to be expected, but I think that putting something out more generally is a mistake. I think that it honestly probably backfires because the stories all seem to say, "Republicans are trying to make hay, but everything appears to be on the level."

To me, it smacks of desperation.

Posted by: rosenblj | December 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Blagojevich was essentially trying to engage in political extortion, and really the only victim was Obama (and/or his camp). And although it wouldn't be wise for Obama to start shouting 'But I'm the victim here!' from the rooftops, I think the public sees how Blagojevich was trying to pressure Obama, and that Obama would have none of it.

What's interesting is that Obama's integrity has actually been put to the test and he has, in court documents, concretely passed that test. How many politicians can say that (and have the proof to back it up)?

Posted by: ChrisDC | December 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I dont think I have seen such speed in distancing oneself from the same train that got Barack and most of the Ill officials elected to begin with...

But I guess since they say they aren't involved, I believe them....

Anyone want a bridge? I have one for sale...

Posted by: indep2 | December 15, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

At least McCain is proving to be a "class act," while the human-pond-scum-bottom-feeders over at the RNC STILL don't get the message. They're their own worst enemy and should contact their proctologist about a brain scan as soon as possible!

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | December 15, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Two points. One, it's well past the time to recognize Senator John McCain for what he is: a class act. Two, Obama is likely innocent of any guilt by association charges that are raised here, but he is a product of a corrupt system who had to make a number of uncomfortable deals to rise to the top. That he served on Blagojevich's election committee during his first run, endorsed him again in 2006, and even engaged in a real estate transaction with the middleman that ties the two together (Tony Rezko) raises at least an eyebrow and takes some of the shine away from his historic victory.

Posted by: buckybacker97 | December 15, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't quite understand why they're starting a negative campaign against Obama right now. There are no National campaigns for another 2 years and no campaigns involving Obama for another 4, so they couldn't possibly think this is valuable election posturing. Do the R's think that this will have an effect on his policy effectiveness or are they just trying to say "Look America, there's corruption in both parties?" If it's the former, it's pointless, if it's the latter, America gets the point.

Posted by: andygoldman | December 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The divisiveness of Rove's "permanent campaign mode" is one of the features that has alienated the majority of Americans from the Republican party. The fact that the party's leaders don't realize this speaks volumes about how out of touch they remain. If they keep this up, that "27 percent positive/52 percent negative rating" is only going to get worse.

Posted by: rashomon | December 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Only the half witted RNC would try to tie this can of worms to Obama's tail. They know the campaign HAS to be circumspect in what they say to ensure they do not unintentionally reveal evidence (or the lack thereof) that will come from Fitzgerald's office. When it's only the RNC and Michele Malkin frothing, chances are you have less than nothing with which to be concerned. These dimwits just never learn...

Posted by: bklyndan22 | December 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

So this week, the Repubs' primary efforts have been to 1) settle old scores with the UAW; economic consequences be damned and 2) create something from nothing between Obama & Blogojevich. I expected smart people to take that party over from the nuts; clearly this hasn't yet happened. Until it does, they are increasingly marginalizing themselves.

Posted by: bsimon1 | December 15, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The GOP just loves these connections. Rev Wright, Ayers, and now this insane man called Governor. Strongly feel the GOP should get a connection to a brain after having shown America their next candidate for POTUS in Palin or Jindal who states he does not want it or perhaps a party of the people instead of a party that votes no! to a partial bailout for 3M jobs and the Auto Industry but yes! to a massive bailout of banks.

Posted by: whatmeworry | December 15, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

This has been going on for about a week now and Obama's numbers haven't dropped much if at all. People aren't stupid. This isn't going to work and serve to just further alienate Republicans from the rest of mainstream America. Given that Republicans are likely going to become more obstructionist over the coming years, they probably don't want to start throwing away what little goodwill they have left.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 15, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

It looks like the republican Party still hasnt learned that it needs to come up with some ideas, not just be an attack machine. guess it will be another 4 years in the wilderness

Posted by: chet_brewer | December 15, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The guy isn't even president yet and it barely a month since that 2-year election. Do they really expect people to remember this in 4 years because I think if so, I'll remember more how happy I was to George W. Bush leave then Rod Blagojevich...

Posted by: Corey_NY | December 15, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, if the Republicans can cast the appearance of scandal in the Obama administration, then that gives them leverage. That said, we'll probably see a momentary dip in the polling data this week for Obama, but given the fact that Fitzgerald already said Obama has no connection to the Blago nonsense this has no legs. A news cycle or two as a rhetorical distraction, sure, but I think the Obama Team's reluctance to join in the partisan sniping over the past week will yield a greater benefit than if they had taken their eye off the ball to jump into the fray. In a month, this will have blown over (as far as being a national issue), but the Obama transition will have still been plugging away on matters of state, and will be well positioned to hit the ground running. Once in place, this story will be little more than background noise on the Right Wing Nutcase noise machine.

It is a shame that the GOP is going back down this road. After the scandal ridden Bush years, I think it will take a lot more than simply coming from a state with a corrupt governor to create a legitimate appearance of impropriety on the part of Obama. Telling the Dems that their guy is bad because the governor of Illinois is a slimeball just isn't a talking point that can overwhelm a response which includes only the most rudimentary Bush scandals. Even the most incompetent debater could just stick with Guantanamo and win the argument. To be a President who knows someone who broke the law is a lot different than being a President who knowingly led an administration that was almost entirely dedicated to undermining the most basic tenets of the law.

Posted by: hiberniantears | December 15, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

S THE BLAGO SCANDAL A 'GENERATED CRISIS' LIKE BIDEN WAS TALKING ABOUT?

WHO IS THE REAL TARGET HERE?

WHO SAYS "PAY TO PLAY" WHEN YOU WANT SOMEONE TO "PAY TO PLAY"?

WAS BLAGO SPEAKING IN CODE -- SUCCESSFULLY, PERHAPS?


Is Obama the REAL target of the Blago scandal? Is this the "generated crisis" that Joe Biden warned us about?

Even a slimy nutjob wouldn't be expected to utter the phrase "pay to play." Could Blago have gotten as far as he has by being totally inept?

This wasn't being crazy like a fox, which is what got him into high office. This was just crazy.

What turned "crazy like a fox" into "plain crazy"?

What if it was somebody else's idea to make such outrageous demands? Blago was oddly descriptive. I mean, who uses the phrase "pay to play" when you want someone to pay to play?

That, in itself, should have (or COULD have) tipped off the people he was taking to that something was fishy in Denmark... maybe even working as code, to let those on the other end of the conversation know that this was an offer they SHOULD refuse...

I'm just wondering if anyone else out there thinks this thing sounds just TOO incredible, too cool for school...

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER?

Not as long as government-supported extrajudicial targeting squads are "community stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens


WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU AND STUN YOU
WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN. AND DO.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

OR members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | December 15, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

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