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Rove Responds to Axelrod

Karl Rove, a former senior adviser to President George W. Bush, insisted in an interview with "Today" show host Matt Lauer this morning that he had every right to offer his analysis of the economic strategy adopted by the Obama Administration -- a response to critical comments made by Obama senior adviser David Axelrod in an interview with the Post last week.

"I am not giving him advice, I am commenting on what they are doing," Rove told Lauer. "And I'm sure even this White House would say people have the right to offer an opinion."

Heyooo!

Rove went on to argue that it was Democrats -- particularly former President Bill Clinton -- who were largely responsible for the current economic mess due to their lax regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac; Rove called the failure of those two entities the "biggest accelerant" in driving the economic collapse and made a point to note that Obama failed to side with the Bush Administration's attempt to tighten regulations on Fannie and Freddie earlier this decade.

Rove's comments came just days after Axelrod, in an interview with the Post's Lois Romano, told a group of senior advisers that their criticisms of the new Administration were off base.

"The last thing that I think we are looking for at this juncture is advice on fiscal integrity or ethics from Karl Rove -- anyone who's read the newspapers for the last eight years would laugh at that," said Axelrod.

By Chris Cillizza  |  February 17, 2009; 11:30 AM ET
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The laws of economics are immutable - they function whether we want them to or not, and are independent of the pretension of legislators. They will not be mocked, nor will they, even when confronted by all the HOPE in the world, be CHANGED.
In America today, our ignorance of economics is only be exceeded by our intellectual confusion. Our collective ignorance has enabled the naming of the massive misplacement of wealth as a STIMULUS package. And our intellectual confusion is so profound that it leads us to conclude that the SOLUTIONS to our problems come from Washington D.C. - the primary SOURCE of them.
Plato's pupil Aristotle once wrote an essay entilted A is A. Its premise is that something can only be what it is - it simply CANNOT be anything else. He further postulated that the refusal to recognize this simple notion is the foundation for endless strife in our personal and societal lives.
The Ancient Greeks were pretty smart..................
They didn't like Kings.
And they knew that A will always be A - no matter what you call it.

Posted by: leapin | February 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I think the best so far re: Rove is

"The last thing that I think we are looking for at this juncture is advice on fiscal integrity or ethics from Karl Rove -- anyone who's read the newspapers for the last eight years would laugh at that"

Posted by: sunaj | February 18, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Is this the same administration that is illegaly taking over the census, funding the far-left ACORN, socializing & rationing medicine, wasting 2.3 trillion dollars, allowing Hamas terror operatives to move to the United States and is blocking oil exploration just as we need it most? Name anything the Bush administration did that even equals one of those...

Posted by: sandbear | February 17, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

TURDBLOSSOM! It realy says it all. Sort of like Denny Crane! TURDBLOSSOM! what else is there to say?

Posted by: trace2 | February 17, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have proven to be the most reliable Republican boogeymen since Willie Horton.

Hey, Matt, did you forget to ask the obvious question of your esteemed guest? "Why do you refuse to comply with subpoenas??"

Posted by: citizenjane | February 17, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

17,000 troops going to Afghanistan.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | February 17, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.

$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$550 billion: U.S. Defense budget

Posted by: atsegga | February 17, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Actually, meant to say chronicled in 2002--the Enron mess actually occurred in 2000-2001.

Posted by: Calcruzer777 | February 17, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I think many people also forget who decided that "derivatives" should be legalized in the first place--Wendy Gramm, wife of Phil Gramm and former head commissioner of the Commodity Futures Trading Committee from 1988 to 1993.

This caused the Enron debacle in 2002, as is chronicled here:

http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2002/06/26/cftc/print.html

Posted by: Calcruzer777 | February 17, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

TBN wrote:

"-what's that about the Chinese trade policy? And you don't want to mention 41?"

I did not mention Bush 41 because I could not recall anything in particular. What did you have in mind? As for Chinese trade policy - like all Asian Tiger policies, neo-mercantilism - read this for fun:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012303291.html

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 17, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

more empty campaign rhetoric from the messiah. When will he wake up and start governing? I think the overheated speeches are running thin.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 17, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Much as I hate coming to cyros' defense, I must say that I read his statement to mean that there were more subprime loans written since the dems got control of congress in 2007, than were written previous to that. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. Having said that, this claim of his is also demonstrably horse----. Sub-prime loans have been written for at least a dozen years. The housing boom peaked in '05 - '06. And, I bet that virtually none were written since this whole mess came to light late last summer. So, cryos would have us believe that there were more written in roughly 20 months than there were throughout history including the peak of the housing boom? I don't think even he believes that.

Posted by: jmbroker | February 17, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

hmmm.
-what's that about the Chinese trade policy? And you don't want to mention 41?
--also, not even God Greenspan saw the subprime debacle. and he admitted it publicly.
We are spending too much time on the blame game.


here's the scoop folks:
President Obama will be in a $4,000 a night hotel (the Presidential Suite) in Phoenix (Lincoln and Tatum-but watch out for the traffic cameras).
McCain is throwing some shindig too at the same time.
I want to hang out to watch the fireworks!


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | February 17, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I think Axeldork is mad because after all of this masterminding and expert media manipulation, deep drill polling etc...all his labor .. he just has a crappy government job. This man just recreated American politics and now he has the less input than the Obama daughters.

Posted by: newbeeboy | February 17, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"Do you clowns even realize the majority of subprime loans were given in 2007 after democrats were in control of congress? "

Nothing like a made up statistic to make a point. Of course, the majority of subprime loans in 2007 were given after Democrats took control. Hello? Power changed in January. It'd take a pretty steep rate of subprime loans to make more in 3 weeks than 49.

Next?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 17, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't know Karl, it seems there were plenty of Republican finger prints on this mess...

"As chairman of the Senate Banking Committee from 1995 through 2000, Phil Gramm was Washington's most prominent and outspoken champion of financial deregulation. He played a leading role in writing and pushing through Congress the 1999 repeal of the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial banks from Wall Street. He also inserted a key provision into the 2000 Commodity Futures Modernization Act that exempted over-the-counter derivatives like credit-default swaps from regulation by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Credit-default swaps took down AIG, which has cost the U.S. $150 billion thus far." Meanwhile, "SEC head William Donaldson tried to boost regulation of mutual and hedge funds, he was blocked by Bush's advisers at the White House as well as other powerful Republicans and quit. (Chariman)Cox says his agency lacked authority to limit the massive leveraging that set up last year's financial collapse. In truth, the SEC had plenty of power to go after big investment banks like Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch for better disclosure, but it chose not to." See article:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350,00.html

Posted by: Severus | February 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't anybody complaining about the costs of the Iraq war, which stand currently at 635 Billion dollars and counting? Then over 4000 American lives lost and nearly 30,000 injured!
Also, the perception given is that giving loans to minorities were responsible for the housing crisis. Not true!! The loans were made to all, irrespective of the color or ethnicity. The Wall Street whiz kids and bank executives have taken this country for a ride, due to their greed and in the process made a mockery of the financial system in general. This has been achieved solely due to the deregulation and lax controls.

Posted by: Grateful_American | February 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Good Afternoon Progressive Stagflationists -

A couple items in the news

"Russian Prime Minister Vladamir Putin has said the US should take a lesson from the pages of Russian history and not exercise “excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence”."

"Open-government groups have given Obama a pass so far, based on the expectation he'll fulfill his promises, but it will soon be time for the Obama administration to deliver, said officials with the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), a digital liberties and open-government watchdog group."

Posted by: leapin | February 17, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I am going to quickly list all the factors I can remember that contributed to the current financial crisis.
1] FanFred and encouraging subprime mortgages - a D idea, early supported by Rs as well.
2] Repeal of Glass-Steagall, followed by repeal of the Shay-Johnson accord on "new" securities in March 2001. A R idea, generally not opposed by Ds.
3] flooding the American market with low interest money - Greenspan, and supported generally by Rs and Ds.
4] Chinese trade policy that allowed China to accumulate huge monetary balances to buy the credit instruments of the west.
Not the Rs or Ds.
5] great lawyers and their finance clients who invented secondary and tertiary debt instruments to sop up that easy Greenspan credit and Chinese mountain of money. Just doin' their jobs.
In fact, they securitized not only those bad subprime mortgages, they also securitized credit card debt. Wait til that stuff hits the fan.

My point is that there is blame on all, and if you Rs call it a "D" problem you are ostriches, and if you Ds call it an "R" problem you are horses wearing blinders.

When Volcker, who saw this coming and told Greenspan in 2005, was asked why it continued on, he said "They were having too much fun".

Stop finger pointing and just fix this, dammit.
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Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Rahm is a damn fine lookin' pit bull isn't he !!
YES!!!

here rahm, here rahm...

P.S. don't mess with Rahm
(smiles))))

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | February 17, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

HELLO????
Cryos....fannie and freddie are in the economic stabilization act of 2008.

bush's and rove's last minute deal before Bush left office.
be very afraid of the "last minute deals" ---that any member of the Bush family makes.

and BTW, blame China on 41. I guess you don't know the "last minute deal" 41 made with China now do ya?

And 20 years later.....bang!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | February 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

So why is Axelrod on the tv nearly as much as his boss? And why is he steering the conversation into ever nastier territory? I thought Rahm was going to be Obama's pitbull but Axelrod is vying for that job. Maybe it's time to shorten his leash.

Posted by: Clio1 | February 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

33rd street writes:

There's an awful lot of talk these days about who is ignorable in the public arena. The smart answer to this question is NO ONE. You never proclaim that some part of the nation has lost their right to be heard. Because that part of the populace numbers in the millions, and they WILL be heard, and they will get much louder if you keep telling them to shut up.

This is stupid politics boys. You are putting kindling on a growing fire. Take a cue from the President, not Axelrod, not Emanuel, not Pelosi. But I fear it is already too late.

Posted by: Clio1 | February 17, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The "President's brain" was a position necessitated by the office holder. That position is no longer required.

Posted by: jmbroker | February 17, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Cyros,

While it is true that the Congress has oversight responsibility for the regulatory agencies (such as the SEC), they are clearly a part of the executive branch of government. To fault the last congress for failing to correct the problem is to forget both the Senate's filibuster and the president's veto ability.

And for drindl: I do not agree that Chris was cheering for Rove here. His admittedly juvenile "Heyooo" was just an acknowledgement of a particularly pointed remark.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | February 17, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Cryor, if Fannie and Freddie were the root of our problems, why did their share of the market for mortgage-backed securities DROP in 2004-06, which were the real bubble years?

In those same years, Wall Street's share of the MBS market more than doubled.

From that evidence, it appears that it was Wall Street firms looking over mortgage brokers' shoulders, whispering in their ears, "We'll buy any loans you write," that really fed the housing bubble.

Details at http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/07/did_fannie_and.html

Posted by: PhilHart | February 17, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

At least one poster mentioned the old dig about Rove being "Bush's Brain."

Where, oh where is the media (hello! Chris??) questioning the prominence of Axelrod in the current administration? Is he Obama's Brain? Well, maybe not, but some sort of demon puppet-master for sure.

All you lefty gang-bangers who foamed at the mouth about Bush's permanent campaign and Rove's nefarious ways need to take a long hard look at this A-Rod and his tentacles.

I don't even like Rove, but he's making some good points these days.

Posted by: Clio1 | February 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Check your math, cryos. AIG, Citigroup and Bear guarantees total more than Fannie and Freddie's. AIG's exposure is potentially in the $50 Trillion range. The largest majority of all sub-prime loans were made by un-regulated investment houses. Fannie and Freddie are a smaller part of the problem than you will let on because you think that sticks to Democrats. You're wrong on the facts and the reasoning.

Posted by: jmbroker | February 17, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks drindl for proving you called me a liar with no proof. Sorry my facts shatter your naive ideals.

Continue to convince yourself that facts are lies when they don't add up in your fantasy land it seems to work well for you.

Good luck all. Mostly a worthless thread not one good counter post to anything I posted just more empty liberal drivel.

Posted by: Cryos | February 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Drivl offers its expertise on not being too bright."

On that, Zouk, you are clearly the expert on the boards.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 17, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Seems I remember a speech by then President Bush called "The ownership Society" speech where he blows his horn about his policies that make it so almost anyone can by a home now and goes on to say something to the effect of "and it doesn't have to be a crappy home, it can be a real nice home too".

The only regulations I know of that the Dems worked on were the ones that prohibited discrimination on basis of race.

Posted by: JRM2 | February 17, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Chris, you might want to actually READ Axelrod's comment instead of simply cutting and pasting: he didn't question anyone's right to voice an opinion; he questioned the wisdom of paying any attention to the opinions of those who drove the nation to the sad state it is in, with Mr. Rove as exhibit A. So you may have been more on the mark had you pointed out that Karl missed the point (probably intentionally) and tried to morph it into a rights issue. It's not; it's an intelligence issue.

Posted by: 33rdStreet | February 17, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: vbhoomes | February 17, 2009 1:50 PM

yep exactly. There are good liberal arguments but most people on the threads are 16-19 year olds who are told what to think and don't possess the experience or knowledge to defend the empty arguments.

In short they are caged parrots squawking out whatever they hear and believe without question.

Posted by: Cryos | February 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

you know....this Rove thing just really made me mad.
Rove was Bush's terminator and now he has the gall (gaul) to come out and demean what we are trying to do---as we try to save the "normal life".
It was Rove who told Bush after 9-11 to convince the people to live "normal lives".
It was Rove who did Weapons of Mass Destruction when he knew damn well that lie wouldn't float.
It was Rove who did the National Surveillance debacle whereby we believed THEY were only listening to Al Qaeda chatter.
It was Rove who covered Scooter Libby.
It was Rove who got Bush out of "yellowcake" disaster by outing Flame.

ethics according to Rove...give it to me later.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | February 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove would totally pass the blame to the previous administration NINE years ago. How can he possibly blame the collapse of Fannie/Mac on Clinton? Those companies weren't even government regulated. It was also under Bush's watch in 2003 that Freddie Mac admitted to lying about $5 billion in earnings. Rove looks a lot more evil without Bush's dumb face to hide behind.

Posted by: leet4321 | February 17, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Posting the liberal kryptonite again.

2008 deficit cost for bailout of all private companies: $180 billion

2008 deficit cost for bailout of Fannie/Freddie: $240 billion

Now please continue to say how Fannie/Freddie are not a major component of the housing issue, how risky loans are worth it (dems feb 2008) and how we should further deregulate Fannie/freddie.

Posted by: Cryos | February 17, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

It would be okay for Drindl and other libs to make their arguments if they read "Mother Jones", "Nation" or other liberal publications, instead the get their information by watching Keith Olberman. Its boring trying to have a discussion with people who are not well read.

Posted by: vbhoomes | February 17, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bigrcube | February 17, 2009 1:44 PM

Lol I love how you and your blind liberal cohorts continue to post empty liberal talking points thinking it makes you sound smart. Meanwhile none of you will approach nor can contradict my posts other than drindl who makes a generalization but can't even say what he thinks is not true.

if liberals are so smart you could debate points on their merit without falling back on the same 2 sentence talking points you used during the campaign.

Until you can articulate debates with actual figures and discussions you are worthless tools.

Posted by: Cryos | February 17, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

any actual fact would cause drivl's so-called brian to explode. No loss of intelligence would result.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 17, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Why are we wasting space on Karl Rove?
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
To: 3rdGenRFan

The better question is WHY are *WE THE PEOPLE* even wasting AIR on Karl Rove?!

YES, Bill Clinton signed into law a relaxation of regulatory oversight.

BUT what King Karl the Weasel Rovian Shape Shifter fails to mention is that it was the Repubs in the GOP and Phil Gramm in the U.S. Senate who sponsored the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act by creating and passing the *Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial_Services_Modernization_Act*.

That and the LAX oversight under 8-years of Bush-43 who's W.H. Admin turned a blind eye to Bucket Shops for illegal stock swindels.

THAT was the beginning of the 10-year downfall of OUR economy where the Wall Street fat cats and ALL the Dubya cronies got rich$$. And the American Middle Class slid even further into the ABYSS that began with the Supply Siders and Reagan-Nomics or Voodoo Economics, eh?!

Posted by: Bigrcube | February 17, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Cryos -- too bad you just made up your 'facts' -- but then that's what you people do. Wh3n you got no substantiation, you've got no credibililty whatsoever.

'Conservatives' are cons, people... con artists selling snake oil. Can't trust a word they say.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2009 1:36 PM
"
==================
Care to back that up?

Name one fact that you think is made up.

Posted by: Cryos | February 17, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

yes right folks...
it took from 2006 to 2008 to get in this mess

better do your math again.
can you say CEO ripping your 401(K) off in 1999.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | February 17, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

So Karl Rove thinks "this White House would say people have the right to offer an opinion." Which of course is in contrast to the Bush White House, where dissenting opinions were routinely framed as unpatriotic. OK, I understand now.

But what I don't understand is why MSNBC wastes air time on this idiot.

Posted by: -pamela | February 17, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Rove and Axelrod are different sides of the same coin.

Posted by: Helpsomeone | February 17, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Cryos -- too bad you just made up your 'facts' -- but then that's what you people do. Wh3n you got no substantiation, you've got no credibililty whatsoever.

'Conservatives' are cons, people... con artists selling snake oil. Can't trust a word they say.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I love "the last 8 years" comments.

Do you clowns even realize the majority of subprime loans were given in 2007 after democrats were in control of congress? Do you even realize democrats had control of congress the last 2 years?

Do you know that democrats supported the "creative" loans as recently as February 2008 and wanted to further deregulate Fannie/Freddie?

Did you know that CONGRESS CONTROLS ALL REGULATORY AGENCIES. PLEASE NAME SOME BILLS THAT DEMOCRATS TRIED PASSING SINCE IN CONGRESS TO ADDRESS FINANCIAL/HOUSING ISSUES???????????? They had plenty of time to lecture professional baseball players.

Blaming it on Bush because your masters do might sound great to you but makes no sense. Then again I am talking to liberals so unless i'm a naive idealist liberal policies wouldn't make sense.

Posted by: Cryos | February 17, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama and a.rod on dueling news conferences. Which over-priced fraud to watch???

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 17, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I think it has been proven over and over that Fannie and Freddie are a SMALL percentage of what has happened.
Posted by: trace2 | February 17, 2009 12:41 PM
==================
Hey tool; are you totally blind or just refuse to acknowledge FACT when it contradicts your naive ideals.

2008 deficit cost for bailout of all private companies: $180 billion

2008 deficit cost for bailout of Fannie/Freddie: $240 billion

Sorry buddy the CBO disagrees with you and says Fannie/Freddie is a bigger component than ALL PRIVATE COMPANIES COMBINED.

Really sucks when the FACTUAL FIGURES come out doesn't it. Throws a wrench into empty liberal arguments.

Posted by: Cryos | February 17, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

who cares what Rove, the crooked politician above ALL crooked politicians, says!
he was educated in the Bush old money, new world order way.
He has his nerve.

oh yeah...it was the Clinton Administration that started breaking regulatory requirements (you know the USCODE) in 2000. I thought Baby Bush and ROVE took office circa 2000. Yeah, that's correct, the Supreme Court elected them.
Rove, how the hell dare you blame this on anyone else except BUSH.

7 years of regulatory requirements broken by companies that are still "serving america"
thanks

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | February 17, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/fiscalconservatism.jpg

Here is a graph that will tell you everything you need to know about fiscal conservatism.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

i can post all day because i retired early at 52. When the dems took control of both houses on 2006, I cashed out of the stock market and retired. I knew the dems would totally wreck our economy by reinstituting welfare for the bums of society by taking money from the people who are productive and do not look to government to wipe their butts for them.

Posted by: vbhoomes | February 17, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Why are we wasting space on Karl Rove?

Posted by: 3rdGenRFan | February 17, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I do hope everyone who reads this blog knows that the entity known as 'king of zouk' is actually a rightwing computer program. Nobody human could post 24 hours a day.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Drivl offers its expertise on not being too bright.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 17, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I can not believe these fat conservatives have the audacity to blame these mess on Clinton administration.

Posted by: bmartinez11 | February 17, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

the meltdown that began when the libs took over congress, and accelerated when it became obvious that the lib would win the wh, has now culminated in a market tumble into the abyss. Anyone with a stake in the game has now sold. The libs, on the other hand have declared that profit is obsolete and stand with thier hands outstreched, waiting for the government to save them.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 17, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"It appears that the GOP lives in a parallel universe disconnected with reality "

It's quite amazing. We have 8 years of total republican rule and the country comes out a smoking ruin--and they still support the same policies that got us here.

They also have a penchant for kindergarten level insults, so I guess it's maybe a case of being not terribly bright.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Most people are so blinded by their hate of the Bush adminsitration that they truely can not see or interpret the facts correctly. Just look at the record and you will see that Rove is correct.

Posted by: BubbaRight | February 17, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Without any reason? How about the most money ever spent? How about the promises broken? How about the most corrupt cabinet? The incompetent leaders? The weakest posture since carter?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 17, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It appears that the GOP lives in a parallel universe disconnected with reality where everything is distorted.

Posted by: kevin1231
---------------------
Very true. All they have to do is call you a socialist liberal and in their mind your opinion doesn't count anymore.

That works in both directions though, liberals can call conservatives "the guys who lost the election because they spent all our money fighting a war that no one wanted and screwed up our country" and then we do not have to listen to their opinions.

Posted by: Independent4tw | February 17, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

It appears that the GOP lives in a parallel universe disconnected with reality where everything is distorted.

Posted by: kevin1231 | February 17, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

For eight years we have spent money on foreign affairs, and now that we are going to spend money on America, conservatives start crying.

Please get over yourselves. You lost the election, it is now the democrats turn to try and fix the mistakes that you have made. This is obvious to everyone but you.

67% of America thinks that Obama is doing well, and less then 30% of America think that the republicans are doing well. Get a clue.

Posted by: Independent4tw | February 17, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Rove have a felching and fisting party to go to with his boyfriends Ted Haggard and Jeff Gannon?

Who gives two sh!ts what that soft fat piece of human dung has to say about anything?

Posted by: VeloStrummer | February 17, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I have been very busy closing my long positions to accomodate the dem economy. To profit in the new Obama.fraud economy, one must short everything.
============

King of zouk,

Please back up your statements, otherwise you just look like another whiner complaining about Obama without any reason.

Posted by: Independent4tw | February 17, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Now look at them yo-yos thats the way you do it
You play the Fearbama on the mtv
That aint workin thats the way you do it
Money for nothin and infrastructure for free
Now that aint workin thats the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them progressives aint dumb
Maybe get inflation
Maybe get stagflation

Posted by: leapin | February 17, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I have been very busy closing my long positions to accomodate the dem economy. To profit in the new Obama.fraud economy, one must short everything.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 17, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Go watch "W" by Oliver Stone. It plays out what has happened over the last 8 years perfectly...

Posted by: Independent4tw | February 17, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Rove, your party lost.

Testify in D.C. and get out of town.

Not even Republicans like you anymore and Bush for sure does not want you in Texas.

Posted by: FromtheRaft | February 17, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

i agree with drindl

Posted by: Independent4tw | February 17, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Under Clinton, in his last year the SEC prosecuted 70 cases. Under Bush, in his last year, 9 cases. So the culture of deregulation of course can't have had anything to do with this economic melt-down, could it? I think it has been proven over and over that Fannie and Freddie are a SMALL percentage of what has happened. Karl Rove is promoting the mythic world they live in, again, the world of WMD's in Iraq, and no environmental damage from human causes. Thank god there is a grown-up at the helm again.

Posted by: trace2 | February 17, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

What Karl did not mention is Phil Gramm and his work to insert major loopholes in the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 that opened the floodgates to speculators & financial manipulators -- which is a HUGE reason for our current economic crisis.

What Karl also did not mention was Bush's spending spree in his 8 years in office where defense spending doubled resulting in BILLIONS of dollars in fraud, waste & abuse; funding for the wars submitted as "emergency" measures for 5 years in a row; and tax cuts for the Top 1% which enabled the elites to see their incomes DOUBLE under Bush -- while the rest of us actually stayed the same or even lost money.

It's great when you have a selective memory because you block out all the negatives and create delusional positives -- that is the modus operandi of the Bush, Cheney, Rove et al.

Posted by: winoohno | February 17, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

drindl. Time for afternoon group therepy.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | February 17, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Yay a typical thread full of flaming liberals who wouldn't know facts if it hit them in the face.

2008 deficit cost for bailout of all private companies: $180 billion

2008 deficit cost for bailout of Fannie/Freddie: $240 billion

democrat's refusal to regulate the GSEs is costing us more money than all private companies combined. Democrats are on record up to Feb 2008 saying risky loans are worth it to get low income people homes.

Anyone care to defend that now? I know all I'll get in return are Bush deflections and "republican deregulation and greed" from mindless tools but I love throwing facts to liberals that make them angry.

Guess what YOUR IDEALIST EUTOPIAN IDEALS HELPED CRASH THE ECONOMY. Reality check for the flamers.

Posted by: Cryos | February 17, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I think that by now people realize that Bush crowd desperately wants to re-write history. Yes, he is free citizen--though many would like to change that--and is free to comment. Many of Bush administration's action were criminal in nature.

Posted by: kevin1231 | February 17, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

drindle, you have it wrong. Dumbo, Lurch Reid, and Porky Pig Pelosi are the three burros of the apocalypse. These are the real three stooges on the yellow brick road! You need to stop drinking Koolaid.

Posted by: nmg3rln | February 17, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

The turd blossom speaks! but why at this point dose anyone listen. Why would NBC give him the opportunity? Waste of air and air time

Posted by: Woodstocknative | February 17, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

So according to Rove the Clinton Administration is to blame for the current economic nightmare? Next he'll be blaming him for the sinking of the Titanic, Lincoln's asassination, and WWII. The GOP spent eight years screwing us up and screwing us over - what a weasel.

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | February 17, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama administration appears to be very thin skinned, we hope they do not try to subjugate the 1st amendment to silence their critics.

Posted by: vbhoomes | February 17, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

gladetay is clearly The Wingnut of the Day -- who regurgitates every single limbaugh talking point in one post -- congrats! You remembered every word!

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The 3 stooges of the apocalypse -- Bush, Cheney, Rove!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | February 17, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Rove is correct in this regard. The stimulus that passed is a horrible hodge podge with no real focus. Sort of like throwing money at a problem and hoping it goes away. Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac have been a disaster by putting people into homes they never could afford. And now the taxpayer has to bail them out. Pathetic. Care to "roll the dice" again with this Barney Frank???

Posted by: gladetay | February 17, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Methinks Mr. drindl doesn't get out much. Is this the first time you've read this blog?

Mealsothinks Mr. Rove is getting his substantial panties in a wad over Axe's comment.

It is true that you have a right to an opinion, Mr. Rove, and it's my opinion that your opinion sucks.

Posted by: brian72975 | February 17, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove was touted as Bush's "brain" for many years and we all know where that led the country. I am wondering why the Washington Post, MSNBC, in fact any news agency worthy of the name would give airtime to a man whose beliefs and ideas have been so thoroughly discredited?

The answer to this country's problems will not be found in continued bipartisan bickering, or in giving any air of legitimacy to the proponents of failed policy. We need to unite around and behind the leader that we elected, and we need to make sure that we are doing everything that we can to support solutions.

Rove might not approve of the stimulus package, but he and his boss tried to respond their way to the situation and they could not because they had zero credibility with Congress, the country and the globe - which, considering the devastation they left behind, was understandable.

Frankly, the only thing I want to hear from Rove is a whole lot of nothing at all.

Posted by: DCDenizen2 | February 17, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove, living proof that God sh-ts.

Posted by: valerieprintemps | February 17, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove, living proof that God sh-ts.

Posted by: valerieprintemps | February 17, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I have to say that were I to encounter this sphincter face-to-face I would have a hard time restraining myself.

Posted by: TOMHERE | February 17, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Rove wagging a finger at anyone, that's beyond ludicrous. And it's utterly predictable that one of the first things out of his mouth would be to blame the Bush/GOP Depression on - who else - Clinton and Obama! Also predictable that the only talking he will do when he finally testifies under subpoena will be to take the 5th.

Posted by: hairguy01 | February 17, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Rove is a fat red-faced clown - how anyone can take him seriously - besides those who slurp at the trough that is Fox News - is beyond me.

Posted by: mjwies11 | February 17, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Truly laughable. Does anyone really believe a word this clown says? It is stunning the way the GOP acts like they had nothing to do with the mess we're in. They are a major reason the economy is screwed up--and for Rove to imply that Obama doesn't tolerate other opinions is an outright lie.

Posted by: soonerthought | February 17, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

So is that your job, Mr. Cilizza, to be Karl Rove's mouthpiece? Is he your hero? Oh wait, I forgot that would be Matt Drudge. I guess Rove is second. Clearly, he rocks your world.

"Heyooo!" you say, responding to some asinine remark by Rove -- what are you, 12? And what makes you think anybody out there gives a rat's as* what Karl Rove thinks, after what he has done to this country? Most of us hope he gets prosecuted to within an inch of his life -- he's that 'popular.'

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

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