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Should Barack Obama Go To Georgia?

Democratic Senatorial candidate Jim Martin hugs state Sen. Nan Orrock during a rally on the Capitol steps, Monday, Nov. 3, 2008 in Atlanta. Martin is challenging incumbent Sen. Saxby Chambliss. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

UPDATE, 6:30 pm: Barack Obama has cut a new 60-second radio ad in support of former state Rep. Jim Martin's Senate campaign in Georgia. In the ad, which was obtained by The Fix moments ago, Obama thanks everyone who voted for him on November 4 and then adds: "The elections aren't over....I want to urge you to turn out one more time and help elect Jim Martin to the United States Senate."

A radio ad is not a personal visit by the president-elect but Martin's campaign will gladly take it.


Even as President-elect Barack Obama continues to rapidly fill out his White House staff and Cabinet picks, the buzz around whether he will spend some of his prized political capital on behalf of former state Rep. Jim Martin (D) in Georgia continues to grow.

Martin is taking on Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R) in a Dec. 2 runoff occasioned by the fact that the GOP incumbent was unable to win 50 plus one percent of the vote on Nov. 4.

Martin clearly benefited from Obama's presence at the top of the ticket -- particularly in the black community -- and Democrats eyeing a 60-seat filibuster proof majority believe an Obama appearance may be the only way Martin can come close to re-creating the sort of base turnout he needs to beat Chambliss next month.

To date, Obama and his transition team have been non-committal about such a visit so soon after he was elected the 44th president of the United States.

For Obama, it may not make sense to head to Georgia as it would be painted by Republicans -- rightly, so -- as a partisan act inconsistent with the president-elect's post-partisan message. And, if Martin winds up losing, which conventional wisdom suggests he will, then some of Obama's luster will have worn off before he even takes the oath of office.

But, with Democrats currently holding 58 seats, Sen. Norm Coleman's (Minn.) margin over entertainer Al Franken narrowing and polls showing Martin within shouting distance, the pressure on Obama to make a visit to get Democrats to 60 seats in the 111th Congress is sure to increase.

"When you're President of the United States it pays to remember who your friends are," said one senior Democratic operative granted anonymity to speak candidly about the president-elect. "Thinking Barack Obama has anything to risk by campaigning for Jim Martin is like most conventional wisdom -- just plain wrong."

Another Democratic Senate insider was more measured about Obama's impact. "Obama could make a big difference with a visit, but it's not the only way he can help," said the source. "Fundraising or appearing in ads would be enormously beneficial to Martin as well."

Obama is already an issue in the runoff campaign as Martin is attacking Chambliss in a television ad for his opposition to the "Obama economic recovery plan." The ad's narrator adds: "Jim Martin will help Barack Obama cut taxes for the middle class and get our economy moving again."

The Martin campaign is also recycling a radio ad that Obama did for them in the general election. (It began airing Tuesday in the state.)

During the campaign, Obama turned down a series of requests for appearances or television ads in support of Democratic candidates -- picking and choosing only a few races in which to engage.

The most prominent was the television ad Obama cut in support of Oregon Sen.-elect Jeff Merkley; he also lent his voice to a radio ad for Rep.-elect Jim Himes in Connecticut.

Whether Obama travels to Georgia may well depend heavily on whether he views the Senate contest as the last race of 2008 or the first race of 2010.

Because Obama did take the time to lend his voice to radio ads for Martin during the campaign, his political operation could well point those ads -- and the burdens of filling out a new government between now and January 20 -- as reasons why he simply can't make the time to come down to the Peach State.

If Georgia is seen as the first race of the 2010 cycle, however, Obama could use it as an opportunity to flex his political muscles for Republicans (and Democrats) in Congress; if Martin won due to an Obama visit, there would be significant trepidation -- among vulnerable Democrats and Republicans -- to cross his legislative priorities.

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 20, 2008; 6:30 PM ET
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From the article:

"When you're President of the United States it pays to remember who your friends are," said one senior Democratic operative

Yes, it does. That's one of the problems we need to CHANGE.

Posted by: jrnicholson | November 22, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine what Obama could do if he went to Georgia on the day of the election and held a rally?


Posted by: DylanP | November 21, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

If not a campaign or a rally, maybe TV ad for Jim Martin like he did for Oregon's Jeff Merkley (the guy who narrowly won despite Joe Lieberman also campaigning for his Republican opponent). The press alone from Barack Obama taping an TV ad would help Jim Martin.

Posted by: Corey_NY | November 21, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Jim Martin is one of the most uninspiring politicians to ever run for federal office on the Democratic side. In a debate during the primaries, he was asked, "What is your stance on water conservation?" His reply - "Well I like the aquarium in Albany(GA)."

His was dragged into this race because national democrats and the state party thought they needed a Veteran who has held elective office. He didn't even win the endorsement of the AFL-CIO or the NEA until he was in a primary run-off. He lost it to a guy named Rand Knight who was some obscure ecologist with no experience or money.

Saxby needs to go down, but that's impossible with Martin as the candidate. The man can't even excite himself let alone potential voters.

Posted by: Haymond | November 21, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

klondike2 - Let's be clear
The economy was screwed up over the past 16 years. I was that free trader Clinton who removed trade tariffs and started us on the path of outsourcing our manufacturing base. Bush merely made it worse. Under Obama, who has announced that he will continue the exact same policies, we will witness the utter ruin of our economy, unemployment at Great Depression levels, and an economic catastrophe that will mark the end of the U.S. as a global power. Along with that failure, the human cost in lives lost, marriages and families wrecked, increased crime, and the sort of police state activities and paranoia we usually think of as unique to the old Soviet Union, will be our lot. Wake up! Let's be clear, you traded in one disaster, one collection of fools, for another.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 21, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

As a leader Obama has to prioritize his time based on a critical needs assessment. It is not critical that he go to Georgia. There are ways he can help Martin's campaign without going to Georgia. He still has his army of grassroots supporters in the state and their e-mail addresses. He can send them e-mails urging them to turn out to vote on December 2. He can get his grassroot supporters to help campaign for Martin. That would be showing true leadership.

As an intelligent leader, Obama knows he can't always count on his own party to get things passed. He ran on a platform of changing the way Washington does business -no more partisanship and more bipartisan cooperation. He knows that he needs to forge a coalition of both Democrats and Republicans to pass the massive legislation that is needed to change the direction of this country. He has begun to do this by reaching out to McCain and Graham so early after his election.

Posted by: Nevadaandy | November 21, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

officermancuso - The I would strongly suggest that everything you know is wrong! Take a drive over highway 20 from Eugene to Sisters. Do the same thing from Eugene to Florence. The tops of many mountains are completely denuded of tress. Sometimes there is a screen of trees to hide the view of drivers from the enormous clear cuts surrounding the road. The real proof and shame can see seen at the Cos Bay harbor, hundreds and hundreds of ships, piles of raw longs 100 feet tall and 300 feet wide and miles and miles long. The big timber companies are cutting as fast as they can.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 21, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Lets be clear

he has a few more pressing issues right now... like a world that is overwhelmingly screwed up by the last 8 years... and trying to figure out the best minds and faces to put forward to face that...

should he waste 1% of the days he has left to go to Georgia to campaign for one official in one the world economy is collapsing...his team ...our team has to be put together to fight all of the issues we have about to come down on our heads is fast approaching game time.

this is kind of a stupid question

the answer is NO.


Posted by: klondike2 | November 21, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post and entire mainstream media are being extremely lax and complacent about not demanding at least one daily behind the scenes photo of Obama and his transition team working. This would allay a lot of anxiety on Wall Street about the future knowing that O is actually still alive and well! The announcement that Hillary Clinton will be named SOS after Thanksgiving is most bizarre. Then, add Mukasey’s collapse today and we wonder, “What’s really going on? What are they not telling us?” And, just when will Janet Napolitano order the immediate vetting of ALL Justice Department personel? Photos, please. We're beginning to think there's been a Clinton cabal behind the scenes.

Posted by: lockmallup | November 21, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Actually, too bad President-elect Obama isn't our representative of the G20 summit.

To truly understand what George Bush has done to our international relations, see the 1-minute clip of world leaders refusing to shake the hand of George Bush at the summit. Our world-wide reputation is at rock-bottom.

I don't know if Obama's presence will help in Georgia. However, it certainly is going to be a welcome presence on the international front.

Check the video out at:

Posted by: scootmandubious | November 20, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

If Obama and the democratic congress can deliver peace, prosperity, universal health care, improved education, energy independence, and environmental stewardship then they deserve to stay in power a good, long time.

But that's a tall order to fill. With effective control of the executive and legislative branches, there will be no excuses.

Posted by: jrob822 | November 20, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

The hubbub about the filibuster thing is that the democrats don't want to *have* to court a single republican senator.
They want to target every last Republican seat and turn it blue.
Posted by: jrob822 | November 20, 2008 4:16 PM

You mean . . . those dastardly devils want to win every election they can? Unlike the Republicans, who tried to stay at the 51, 50+Cheney senator mark?

What should bother you is not that the Democrats want to win so many elections but that the American people have decided they should.

Posted by: light_bearer | November 20, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

and the H1-B doesn't have anything to do with outsourcing jobs. They are VISAS. Bringing people to here, not the other way around.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"I feel betrayed and rather stupid. I believed Obama hen he said he was going to use punitive taxes to end outsourcing, when he said he was going to do away with the H1-B visa. Imagine my surprise, then, when last Sunday he said he was going to increase by 400% the number of H1-B visas and thought outsourcing was good for the country!"

My impression always has been that he would increase the H1B visas. When did he ever say he was going to do away with them? He has said that he wanted the best and brightest immigrants access to the US.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

(my Oregon timber rant is directed at mibrooks27's comment that was posted at 7:22 PM)

Posted by: officermancuso | November 20, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Oregon timber towns have been impoverished for at least twenty years, a result of a well-deserved end to clear-cutting huge swaths of forest. To assert that Bush's liberalizing of timber harvest restrictions in national forests led to the impoverishment someone in Oregon presumably directly or indirectly dependent on the timber industry is simply not credible, regardless of where the raw timber is shipped.

My father was class of '53 at Prospect High, my mother class of '55, my uncle class of '51 - and my uncle, after retiring from the US Army, was professor of forestry at Humbolt State in CA (PhD from Oregon State), developed software to aid in maximizing sustainable timber harvest with no clear-cutting. I know a thing or two about Oregon and timber.

Posted by: officermancuso | November 20, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"When you're President of the United States it pays to remember who your friends are," said one senior Democratic operative granted anonymity to speak candidly about the president-elect. "Thinking Barack Obama has anything to risk by campaigning for Jim Martin is like most conventional wisdom -- just plain wrong."

Tell that to Bill Clinton. Obama should stick to ads and fundraising. It's a medium risk - low yield situation. If he actively campaigns for Martin and he wins, everyone will take it for granted. If Martin loses, it'll be a big story that hurts Obama (and TBH, his coat tails weren't that impressive). Gaining 60 seats is also largely a symbolic victory. In practical terms I think the Dems will have a harder time getting every single Democratic Senator on board than finding 1-3 GOP Senators to back them up. He may lose some political capital within the Democratic party if he doesn't campaign, but considering the Obama ground game and his massive volunteer database, I'm thinking they'll cut him some slack until 2010.

"DDAWD ... Another Obama voter, too dumb to realize they have been defrauded. Oh well, I'll be here, every day, to remind you. Obama, in his staffing decisions and after-election announced policies, will further drive this country into the ditch. I am very comfortable in predicting that you will dump your new tin god within the next 12 months. He will fail because his economic policies are not significantly different than those of Bush before him. When you finally get fed up, when you are REALLY angry, get back to me."

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 20, 2008 4:49 PM |

Just a quick question: is it possible that in March you were one of those people "very comfortably predecting" that Hillary would win? And/or in September that McCain would win? You kind of sound like you were... Let's give Obama the benefit of the doubt, shall we? Like it or not, he will be the next POTUS. Let's wait until he actually makes a mistake before going after him.

Posted by: CohtR | November 20, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

JRM2 - Too bad, if you choose, not to believe what I write, but it is all true, ever bit of it, and everyone here w knows me and has followed by posts over the years knows it's true, too. I was an active campaigner for Mr. Obama. I spent every weekend in the second half of September and all of October campaigning. I even took off two days vacation, on the Monday before the election and on election day and worked for the Obama campaign. If you did 1/10 of what I did, I would be surprised. Also, the Eugene campaign office knows the story of that woman and her son because I told them about it.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 20, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27- A very moving story but it smells fishy.

Don't you think you ought to wait until he takes office before you criticize him?

Look, I didn't like it when Bush was appointed but I figured I'd at least give him a chance for awhile.

And please, stop making up these ridiculous yarns about campaigning while you had the flu, you aren't fooling anybody Obama hasn't done anything (yet) to make one of his supporters turn in the fashion you describe, or maybe you're a sycophant.

And, don't ever fall in love with a politician, they will always break your heart.

Posted by: JRM2 | November 20, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD - I don't think you get it. I gave money to the Obama campaign. I *campaigned* for him, knocking on hundreds of doors, manning a telephone bank when I had the flu. I put in well over 100 hours of volunteer work and gave in excess of $300.

I feel betrayed and rather stupid. I believed Obama hen he said he was going to use punitive taxes to end outsourcing, when he said he was going to do away with the H1-B visa. Imagine my surprise, then, when last Sunday he said he was going to increase by 400% the number of H1-B visas and thought outsourcing was good for the country!

One incident that will stay with me for the rest of my life... I was canvasing in Springfield, in a dirt poor area. A woman was carrying a vacuum clean and a bucket of cleaning supplies, walking down this street, offering to clean homes, do any kind of work. I started talking with her and found that she was an unemployed lumber mill worker. The millions upon millions of logs being cut down from state and federal and private forests were being trucked to gigantic ships in Coos Bay. There, they were loaded and shipped off to cheap labor markets in Vietnam and India, and the finished lumber was loaded back onto the ships for return to the U.S. No duty was paid, no taxes, no trade tariffs, nothing. It cost that woman and tens of thousands of people just like her their livelihoods. What made this even worse was being invited to help her move her son. He was an Iraq war veteran who had been injured by an IED and was paralyzed from the neck down. He was stationed in front of a television in an otherwise empty living room. That mother was doing the only thing she could to make enough money to feed her son! I showed her the literature I had been given by the Obama campaign, promising to end this, so she could get her job back, get medical insurance, live a life of dignity and pride and be able to provide for herself and her son. Obama's pronouncements made me his enemy. He LIED to me and he lied to that mother and he lied to you and every other fool who believed in his promises. In time you will come to realize that. In time, I expect, millions will come to realize that. Keep the anger, keep the rage, treasure them, and work with us to demand that our representatives represent u and our wishes, not their understanding of what is in our best interests, we are not children, but OUR WISHES, what we want! And the vast majority of the American people want an end to this free trade nonsense. We want our jobs back. And we want an end to these guest worker programs, to allowing companies to ship raw materials offshore and bring back process products without any duties or fees or tariff's or taxes. A country that can, but will not, provide for it's on people has no excuse to even exist.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 20, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27 claims to be a disillusioned Obama supporter. Does he actually think anyone believes that?

Posted by: stan2 | November 20, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

As an empiricist, energetic googling of "saxby runoff" has compelled me to conclude that no one named Saxby has ever lost a runoff election since the ancient Greeks discovered writing. So this would be a real long shot. I recommend that the president elect remain in Hyde Park.

"When I carefully consider the curious habits of dogs,
I am compelled to conclude
That man is the superior animal.

"When I consider the curious habits of man,
I confess, my friend, I am puzzled."

- Saxby Pound

Posted by: officermancuso | November 20, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"I am very comfortable in predicting that you will dump your new tin god within the next 12 months."

This is very interesting. It seems like the new line of attack against Obama is in trying to impugn the intelligence of his supporters. That we revere him as a god or John Stossel's thing about how dumb young voters are or that suggesting the same thing.

Seriously, this is the most ill conceived attempt to appeal to someone's intelligence to try and get them to go Republican. There's a reason that educated people tend to prefer the Democrats. It's because they are SMARTER, not stupider.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

2 reasons why Obama won't go to GA. 1st, if Martin loses, so goes Obama's power clout. 2nd, the Dems need a scapegoat to blame for their failures in the future. Having a filibuster-proof majority leaves the blame-door wide open for these certain failures related to government intervention for everything.

Posted by: FairMark | November 20, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD ... Another Obama voter, too dumb to realize they have been defrauded. Oh well, I'll be here, every day, to remind you. Obama, in his staffing decisions and after-election announced policies, will further drive this country into the ditch. I am very comfortable in predicting that you will dump your new tin god within the next 12 months. He will fail because his economic policies are not significantly different than those of Bush before him. When you finally get fed up, when you are REALLY angry, get back to me.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 20, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I would have thought the nutcases would be the ones to leave after the election. They seem to be the only ones who stayed. I wonder what that says about me.

But I think Obama should do some campaigning in Georgia. Not simply because he's a Republican, but because this is not a Republican who will be willing to work with Obama. He will be one of the lead filibusterers on essentially every issue.

Use some of that political capital. You can't take it with you.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

JackSmith1 - Please explain to us the difference between a "bush Republican" and an "Obama ally Democrat". Either will outsource you job. Either stands for the wealthy and connected, certainly not for you. Both throw money at their corporate clients and both will put off doing anything that is actually in your benefit because there is some more pressing emergency. You've been duped and lied to, taken for a ride, played for a fool. Get used to it. The "change" you're going to get will be what's left over after the corporations and Wall Street have picked the nations pocket.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 20, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Opa2 - go back and read your post. Was that a threat? So like Bush and his minions, express your profound displeasure, your anger, at being lied to and manipulated by a politician and your an "enemy of the state", a threat. If you truly belie what you wrote, you are as morally bankrupt as any Republican.

In the end, I wonder if the American people have become so docile and afraid that they will sit back and allow the ruthless, the connected, the wealthy, and powerful, reduce them to sheep, gladly taking whatever crumbs fall from their table. This next year is going to bring so much grief, so much sorrow, so much PAIN to our people that they choices will boil down to just giving up or striking back. There are ways of striking back at the entrenched and uncaring beyond individuals murdering politician's or other members of the swinish elite. A national strike and massive protests that shuts down the country might do it. And, THAT is what I was referring to, what I would advocate, what any sane person would advocate.

I'll tell you what, when Obama and his loathsome friends have finished rubbing your nose in his empty promises, when you are cold and hungry and really angry, get back to me.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 20, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The hubbub about the filibuster thing is that the democrats don't want to *have* to court a single republican senator.

They want to target every last Republican seat and turn it blue.

Posted by: jrob822 | November 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Democrat Jim Martin is in a runoff against Bush Republican Saxby Chambliss for the Senate seat from Georgia. Bush's Saxby Chambliss voted against spending a few measly dollars to provide health care coverage for Georgia, and Americas needy children. But he supported wasting hundreds of billions of your dollars, and the life BLOOD of Americas finest on an unnecessary war in Iraq.

At a time when 47 million of you have no health insurance coverage, and over 100 million of you with insurance are just one major illness away from complete financial destruction. Bush and Saxby Chambliss voted to make the heart break of bankruptcy relief even harder for all of you to use.

You see, Bush and Saxby Chambliss, and his family don't have to worry about their health care coverage. They have the finest health care coverage your tax money can buy for them. Courtesy of you. The American Tax payer. In fact, no one but the super rich can afford the health care coverage you the tax payer provide for Saxby Chambliss, and his family for FREE! with your tax dollars.

He supposedly works for you. But he doesn't think you and your family should have access to the type of taxpayer supported FREE health care that you provide for him, and his loved ones for FREE!. Doesn't that just make you BURRING MAD!

Vote for JIM MARTIN for US senator from Georgia. Vote for JIM Martin who will be on your side. Vote for JIM MARTIN who will work with President Obama and a majority congress for you. Vote for JIM MARTIN most of all for your-self, your family's, friends, and loved ones. Vote for JIM MARTIN for a better America, and a better World.

Don't let Saxby Chambliss make a chump out of you by tricking you into voting against your own best interest. Saxby chambliss is NOT! on your side. He's not one of you. He is on George Bush's side. And we all know what a catastrophe the Bush Chambliss administration has been the past 8 years.

Contact all your family and friends and do every thing you can to see to it that JIM MARTIN and GEORGIANS! take that senate seat back for Georgia, and America. No matter where you live in America. This is important to you. President Obama will need all the help, and power you can give him to try and fix this catastrophic mess that the Corrupt Bush Chambliss administration has created.

As I said before you will have to vote in overwhelming numbers to overcome the Bush Chambliss "Let Them Eat Cake" vote fraud machine. Vote early if you can. Then help everyone you can get to the polls and vote for JIM MARTIN. You and your loved ones don't have to be Saxby Chambliss's victims anymore.

I know you will get it done. Just like you did for President Obama.

God bless all of you

jacksmith - WORKING CLASS... :-)

Posted by: JackSmith1 | November 20, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans' complaints about him campaigning are to be disregarded; he's a Democrat, and will support other Democrats.

I think he should lend Martin some help, whatever Martin thinks would be the most use; an ad to motivate the base, for example.

Posted by: SeanC1 | November 20, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

On balance, yeah, I think he should do it.

Or at the very least, tape a new commercial for Martin.

He ain't president yet, and, in Georgia at least, the election ain't over. So go and campaign for a day...and send David Plouffe down there to get Martin's supporters organized and energized for Dec. 2nd.

To milbrooks27:

Dude, I understand that you're a slightly older computer programmer who's out of work, but I'm not entirely sure what you were expecting out of an Obama Administration. We're not bringing back Smoot-Hawley because overall, immigration and free trade are good for the US and the world.

However, what needs to be strengthened are worker and environmental protections in our trade agreements, as well as strict enforcement of those protections.

Historically, new presidents, who were mostly governors, staffed the government with folks from their gubernatorial administrations. As a senator (and not a long-serving one at that), Obama doesn't have those people, and so he is wisely turning to capable Democrats from the previous Democratic administration.

This is a good thing, not a bad thing, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of new faces along with the old Clintonites.

Posted by: Bondosan | November 20, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I would normally question President-elect Obama's getting involved in any run-offs at this point. But Georgia is an exception. I lived there in 2002 when Saxby Chambliss and the Republicans ran one of the nastiest, low-blow campaigns I've seen in more than 50 years of political life. To brand Max Cleland, a true American hero, as unpatriotic was one of the most unprincipled acts I've ever seen. For that reason alone, I hope the President-elect will help kick Chambliss' butt out of the Senate. What goes around comes around.

Posted by: StevefromSacto | November 20, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Ya know I don't understand all the hubub about the filibuster-proof thing. If the issue is so radical that you can't peel away one or two of the opposition that cares more about America than Republican, then maybe the country isn't ready for it yet.

Posted by: DonJasper | November 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse


So interesting how this current "dialog" riffing off of "milbrooks27" sounds like both sides were written by the same disinfo artist just to clutter up this blog...

When "Politico" wrote that story about "the rise of the commentocracy," did they realize that many of the commentators may be apparachiks paid to pollute political discourse on the web -- and to harvest IP addresses for various "programs"?

I'd like to meet with Chris someday over a beer and hear his views about how his forum is a target for this kind of "craft."

Or may I suggest that Chris write a Sunday opinion/perspective piece about this?



Posted by: scrivener50 | November 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what you mean Mibrooks27 when you say that "we wont wait until the next election." I can assure you however that the Secret Service may also be wondering what you mean by that statement and if I was you I would expect that my friends and neighbors will be asked some pointed questions about me. After that, they come to you and ask more questions. Have fun too the next time you try to board an airplane. Al of a sudden your name is "on the list." That's what happens to people who say things that could be interpreted as a threat to the President of the United States.

Posted by: Opa2 | November 20, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

To 37th and O st.:

The paid disinformation artists of campaign '08 were mostly virulently anti-Obama, but with some using classic reverse psychology technique -- sounding irrational and crazy, but claiming to be pro-Obama, with the intent of discrediting his message.

Since you seem to be an expert at these things, perhaps that description hits home?


Not as long as government-supported extrajudicial targeting squads are "community stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:


Posted by: scrivener50 | November 20, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The best strategy is to get the blacks in Georgia to turnout, but without posing a threat to the whites down there.

Obama traveling to Georgia may, on balance, be a neutral proposition.

It's too bad that race is such a big part of politics in the deep south. One would think that they have bigger fish to fry in the areas of health care, education, and jobs. But the Republicans have planted the seeds of racial hatred so deeply... that region is a mess.

Hey Republicans- you haven't done anything for those people except fill their hearts with hatred. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted by: jrob822 | November 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"37th..." - Most of us Obama voters honestly believed everything he said. We thought he was going to dump the Wall Street and corporate crowd and side with us. We are more than disappointed that he apparently is just another politician. So, most *former* Obama supporters are likely too embarrassed and disheartened to write anything. There will, it is true, be a few fanatics that could care less that he has turned his back on us and there will be, for a time, a few holdout that will continue to believe in him, but most of us have traded our hope in for RAGE!

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 20, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I wish the candidate would discuss global poverty more. According to The Borgen Project:
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget

Posted by: maryna1 | November 20, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse





To the poster scrivener50 at 2:13

Clearly you see now how many paid Obama bloggers there were on this site - they have been given bonuses and are gone now - so all those people harrassing other posters day in and day out, hour in and hour out - that really is not happening anymore. AND now you have a sense of the real pulse of the nation, without all that extra campaign cash buying extra postings.





Posted by: 37thandOStreetRules | November 20, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Really, does Martin have a snowball's chance in hell of winning? He trailed by 3 in the election, and polls show no change. Democrats, as usual, will not turn out, so Chambliss's margin will be bigger in the runoff. Martin can take pride in doing better than almost anyone predicted, but he won't be going to Washington.
Bottom line: not worth the effort.

Posted by: wmw4 | November 20, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse


It's 2:12 p.m. Only two posts to this thread are coming up when I refresh the page.

Is that right? Or is my data stream not delivering the full site?

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 20, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse


The AP, if not the national media, has reported on the spate of hate crimes and hate speech directed at the President-elect -- mainly, in the Deep South.

Have any Bush administration officials spoken out about this? Or is there an attitude, in official Washington and among the political punditry, that the less said, the better?

But it could be that sunshine is the best disinfectant.

In the present climate, the President-elect should not take this trip. And anyone who does not recommend against it is being naive, or negligent, or both.


Not as long as government-supported extrajudicial targeting squads are "community stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:


Posted by: scrivener50 | November 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Chris, Georgia? Obama should go to hell. Our politician's have a wife and family ... and they have a mistress. They could end this recession right now, make it possible for us to have jobs, but they don't and it looks like they wont. Their mistress is smitten with "free trade" and scours the world looking for the cheapest production costs, hands out her favors to those politician's so as to avoid taxes or trade tariff's or regulations. The mistress is spending up the savings and spending us into debt so deep it is problematic that the children will starve this winter. And, the long suffering wife and family? They are back home, so long as they have a home, getting angrier by the day. They voted for hope and change and look to be getting the same self serving insiders that served that Wall Street-corporate wh*re of a mistress. Just forget Georgia. Congress, Mr. Obama, don't even THINK about enlarging the H1-B visa program. Don't imagine you can get away with not passing punitive taxes on companies and investors that outsource jobs. Business as usual is OVER and you had better listen because we're beginning to think that a divorce sounds like a pretty good idea, and we wont be waiting until the next election with all of those empty promises to leave the mistress if given just "one more chance". We stopped believing in that when Mr. Obama proposed to staff his cabinet with the same swine we have seen for years.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 20, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

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