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The Times Square arrest and the politics of national security

The arrest in the wee hours of the morning of Faisal Shazad in connection with the attempted bombing of Times Square will re-awaken the issue of terrorism -- although perhaps only briefly -- for most Americans with the 2010 midterm elections less than six months away.

"It was clear that the intent behind this terrorist act was to kill Americans," said Attorney General Eric Holder at a press conference announcing the arrest.

That pronouncement -- and the subsequent flood of media coverage the arrest will draw today and in coming days -- virtually assures that Americans' concerns about terrorism (and hence the political import of where both sides position themselves on the issue) will be rise as well.

Given the deep emotional connection that many people have about terrorism in the United States, the issue is fraught with political peril for both parties.

In the wake of the failed attempt to bomb a plane in Detroit on Christmas Day, Republicans hammered away at President Barack Obama for not being sufficiently responsive or vigilant on matters of national security.

Democrats pushed back that Republicans were trying to politicize the incident rather than supporting the President's attempt to prevent something like it from happening again.

Polling on the incident provided a mixed bag. A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey conducted in mid February showed 45 percent approving of Obama's handling of the Christmas Day bomb attempt and 47 percent disapproving.

Those numbers reflected a broader uncertainty about the issue of terrorism within the political framework. Once considered a stone-cold winner for Republicans at the ballot box -- see the 2002 election -- the issue has become more muddled over the past several elections as distaste with President George W. Bush has complicated the GOP advantage.

Still, terrorism remains one of the best issues for Republicans. In a March Washington Post poll, 43 percent of those tested said Republicans were better equipped to handle terrorism issues while 37 percent said Democrats -- the only of the eight issues tested in which the GOP held an edge.

And, Democrats have been put on defense on the issue in recent months as the Obama Administration has had to backtrack on the idea of trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in New York City.

That doesn't mean, however, that the Times Square arrest is bad news politically for Obama. In fact, the contrary could well be true.

The pace of the arrest -- two days from the time the bomb was found to when Shazad was brought into custody -- and the fact that the majority of the early coverage points to the vast behind-the-scenes effort to apprehend the culprit is almost certain to accrue to Obama's benefit in the eyes of voters.

The ability of the Obama-led government to not only thwart a terror attack but also catch the man believed to be responsible in short order is likely to inspire confidence in voters -- even if only in the short term -- in the President and his ability to keep the country safe.

It's important not to overplay the import of terrorism on the midterm elections since polling continues to show the economy and, to a lesser extent, healthcare, are the dominant issues on the minds of voters.

But, terrorism is a potent issue if only due to its emotional resonance with voters and so it's likely to remain on the minds -- if not at the top of minds -- of people as they head to the ballot box this fall.

While it may be impactful at the margins in November, the successful arrest of Shazad is more likely to strengthen Obama's hand as he heads toward his 2012 re-election effort as it represents a real-life example of his pledge to put the safety of the American public at the center of his presidency.

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 4, 2010; 8:35 AM ET
Categories:  White House  | Tags: Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Terrorism, Times Square, United States  
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Gee, could it be that we should be more selective about who we let into this country? All it takes is one terrorist to be successful and what is the number of potential suspects are here now? 20 MILLION! That's not how many terrorists, just the number of INVADERS among whom terrorists could hide! That includes those who invaded by coming in on a visa and then staying when it expired.
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He was a legal US citizen. Should we stop people from becoming citizens because of what we fear they might do?
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So what is Obama's plan for dealing with them? Oh yes, AMNESTY! He wants to reward them for their crimes; ILLEGAL ENTRY (Multiples), I.D. theft, False government documents including SSN, Driver's licenses.
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You have Obama confused with Ronald Reagan.

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But wait! There's more! As the TV ad goes...Obama and Napolitano say the borders are secure as if that's the only problem. We still have crooked employers and Congressmen pandering to ILLEGALS and interfering with the efforts to apprehend and deport ILLEGALS, but Obama is sitting on his thumbs allowing ILLEGALS to march in our streets, rioting as we saw recently and threatening not only U.S. Citizens, but police as well.
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He is US citizen. Your rant is irrelevant.
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Even an Arizona senate member is in the act demanding a boycott of the State. Boy, that's loyalty for you. Going against the very people he's elected to represent! (Most be a Democrat - oh right-- He is)
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He is a legal US Citizen. Your rant is irrelvant.
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If this keeps up, we'll have to fight for this country on our streets and in the countryside AGAIN!
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Fight who? Any legal immigrant who happens to be from a country you are suspicious of?
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Posted by: TexRancher | May 5, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: rrwickett | May 5, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Gee, could it be that we should be more selective about who we let into this country? All it takes is one terrorist to be successful and what is the number of potential suspects are here now? 20 MILLION! That's not how many terrorists, just the number of INVADERS among whom terrorists could hide! That includes those who invaded by coming in on a visa and then staying when it expired.

So what is Obama's plan for dealing with them? Oh yes, AMNESTY! He wants to reward them for their crimes; ILLEGAL ENTRY (Multiples), I.D. theft, False government documents including SSN, Driver's licenses.

But wait! There's more! As the TV ad goes...Obama and Napolitano say the borders are secure as if that's the only problem. We still have crooked employers and Congressmen pandering to ILLEGALS and interfering with the efforts to apprehend and deport ILLEGALS, but Obama is sitting on his thumbs allowing ILLEGALS to march in our streets, rioting as we saw recently and threatening not only U.S. Citizens, but police as well. Even an Arizona senate member is in the act demanding a boycott of the State. Boy, that's loyalty for you. Going against the very people he's elected to represent! (Most be a Democrat - oh right-- He is)

If this keeps up, we'll have to fight for this country on our streets and in the countryside AGAIN!

Oh silly me, I forgot; This Kenyan Born, Anti-American, Anti-Constitution, Muslim still has an Aunty here living in public housing after being ordered deported TWICE! She's still here isn't she? He'd have to deport her too if he grew a pair.

Posted by: TexRancher | May 5, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Good job by Eric, Barry and Janet. Maybe next time we could stop these terrorists BEFORE they are issued a visa on the no fly list and allowed to park there car in a crowded area of New York!

Posted by: rteske | May 5, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. Even though he was a murderer and a creep, Saddam Hussein made a better ally than an enemy---as in the Iraq-Iran war. If not for some diplomatic bungling by the Bush41 administration, he would likely never have invaded Kuwait. He and his Sunni buddies were a counter-balance to the Shiites in Iran. Now he's gone, and a far more dangerous regime really IS going to have weapons of mass destruction.

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See, I appreciate candor like this.  I wish you'd do more stuff like this and less of that "bust of Mao" crap.

Yeah I've written it flat-out: we'd be better off if Saddam was back in charge of Iraq.  The radical Islamic groups would cease to be troublesome in a heartbeat, and all the grim costs of war wouldn't have been.  The reason Iraq had a brutal butcher of a leader was because nobody less brutal or butchering could keep a lid on that place.  

Now we know.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 5, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

I just want to make one comment

No one in New York is terrorized by the Times Square bomb.

A few weeks ago, there was a dead body lying on the sidewalk in New York - a videocamera taped 20 people walking OVER the body and no one cared.


That's what would have happened in Times Square - people wouldn't have cared - they would have just walked over the bodies - maybe kicked them a little.

In New York, the rats carry knives.... for a reason.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse


The Obama administration played down the fact that Shahzad, a U.S. citizen born in Pakistan, had made it aboard the plane. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano wouldn't talk about it, other than to say Customs officials prevented the plane from taking off. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the security system has fallback procedures in place for times like this, and they worked.


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Obama should resign.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

The most serious domestic terrorism threat, says veteran journalist Vic Livingston:

A NATIONWIDE POLICE GESTAPO IS COMMITTING CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY ALL OVER AMERICA -- THE DAILY SILENT TORTURE OF CITIZENS IT CONSIDERS 'UNDESIRABLE.'

THIS GESTAPO HAS CONSTRUCTED AN ELECTROMAGNETIC GHETTO, ENSLAVING ITS VICTIMS WITH SILENT, INVISIBLE, ILLNESS AND INJURY-INDUCING MICROWAVE / RADIO FREQUENCY TECHNOLOGY...

... ENABLED BY A U.S. GOVERNMENT CELL TOWER- BASED 'DIRECTED ENERGY' WEAPON SYSTEM THAT REPRESENTS THE AMERICAN FOURTH REICH'S VERSION OF THE NAZI DEATH CAMPS.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 4, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone asked themselves - why after Obama and crew identified the terrorist - why was his name not IMMEDIATELY PASSED ONTO ALL FLIGHTS HEADED TO THE MIDDLE EAST ???

Instead somehow, the name went to a "no-fly" list that wasn't "uploaded" immediately.

Most of the computers I use update immediately.

Obama is terrorist-challenged.

If this terrorist left on Sunday or Saturday night, he would have been LONG GONE. Pretty simple.


If anyone else had such a poor performance as Obama has had, they would be fired immediately.

And Obama doesn't have the personal honor to resign.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

At what point will Obama realize his little "drone" attacks are not enough to deter attacks against the United States ???


How many people have to die???

How many Americans have to die before Obama and the democrats realize we really have to get tough with those in the Middle East - to convince them never to try to attack us again ????

Obama's weakness is inviting more attacks here in the US.

Obama's weakness is actually CAUSING more attacks here in the US - and could lead to more Americans being killed.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


Obama's home district is somewhere in Indonesia.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

we're not using it anymore.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Think about this



COWS

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she slept in the state of Washington? And, they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country. Maybe we should give each of them a cow.

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THE CONSTITUTION
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq ... Why don't we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and we're not using it anymore.

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THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse or Congress is this --you cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal' 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians ..... it creates a hostile work environment.

Posted by: jagraham | May 4, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Think about this



COWS

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she slept in the state of Washington? And, they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country. Maybe we should give each of them a cow.

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THE CONSTITUTION
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq ... Why don't we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and we're not using it anymore.

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THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse or Congress is this --you cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal' 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians ..... it creates a hostile work environment.

Posted by: jagraham | May 4, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

ChrisF, that is a pleasant reverie. But the FBI was one better than that. PBS reported tonight that he was not permitted on board because he had been placed on the "no fly list" within the previous 12 hours. The plane was stopped for two other guys.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 4, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"letting people elect their leaders doesn't so much to calm long-standing hatreds . . .
Unintended consequences."

Agreed. Even though he was a murderer and a creep, Saddam Hussein made a better ally than an enemy---as in the Iraq-Iran war. If not for some diplomatic bungling by the Bush41 administration, he would likely never have invaded Kuwait. He and his Sunni buddies were a counter-balance to the Shiites in Iran. Now he's gone, and a far more dangerous regime really IS going to have weapons of mass destruction.

Posted by: Brigade | May 4, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Huntington ever read any history. World history, American history, it doesn't really matter. All history is one long series of cultural and religious clashes.

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Religious and ethnic clashes certainly aren't new but they have been far from constant. They've become so prominent now that American military readiness has suffered for remaining beholden to superpower clashes of armies when we have more threats coming now from the ethnic clashes.

That's why I'm so down on Israel, supposedly an ally, but issuing endless provocations with the planting of settlements and the brutality of their occupation, the indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations. For my money that "special relationship" went over budget on the morning of 9/11/2001, if not a lot sooner.

And one piece of history accelerating this trend toward ethnic violence is the spread of democracy and the collapse of totalitarian governments .. letting people elect their leaders doesn't so much to calm long-standing hatreds, but lifting the yoke of repression liberates those hatreds along with people. Like in Ukraine, where four generations of suppressed antisemitism did nothing to erase it, and it came back strong as ever when the Soviet system ended.

Unintended consequences.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

@mark: imagine the guy sitting in his airline seat, after the plane pulled away from the gate. Homeward bound! He was probably certain that he was going to get away, and only slightly worried about being stopped between Dubai and Pakistan.

Imagine his consernation when the plane returned to the gate. BOOMboomBOOMboomBOOMBOOMBOOM.

Bet he wishes he'd strapped on dynamite.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

When I was a prosecutor - 1968 - there was no way the FBI could have caught this guy in 53 hours. I am amazed by the effectiveness of their work in this case, in the Dallas case, and in the Denver case. They nipped Dallas and Denver before the event/crime, which was impossible in 1968. I am impressed. I hope the Congress is too.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 4, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by mwhoke earlier in the day,
"Is Obama's home district in Hawaii or is it Illinois?"

C'mon 37th, how'd you miss this one. A big old hanger right out over the plate.


Posted by: Brigade | May 4, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

What bilge to pass off some theory like this as original.

Posted by: Brigade | May 4, 2010 6:59 PM
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I read Huntington's book long ago, and I agree with you. I kept waiting for the controversial part.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

We are all so relieved that the Ped is standing watch to tell us all which posts are worthwhile. It would be difficult to tell without him. And free of charge no less.

I guess you get what you pay for.

Now if only the federal government didn't charge for all it's worthless services.


Like stopping oil leaks. Stopping terror attacks. Fixing the economy. Managing retirement and health care, selling cars, well you know the rest.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

This post was from earlier in the day:

"The late Samuel Huntington made a career of saying very very controversial things. Every time he came out with a new thought, he was attacked by almost everyone. Ironically, as time passed, he was always proven to be right. It is time for thoughtful people to accept his view that we are in a age of the clash of civilizations. Unfortunately, I know such a view is politically incorrect and will be attacked by most readers of the Washington Post."

Posted by: jeffreed | May 4, 2010 10:09 AM
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Yes, I believe Huntington contended that cultural and religious differences would be a source of conflict in the world.

Okay. This is "very controversial?" This is a "new thought" that most thoughtful people refuse to accept? A clash of civilizations?

I wonder if Huntington ever read any history. World history, American history, it doesn't really matter. All history is one long series of cultural and religious clashes. Does he think the Native Americans just packed up and retired to the Bahamas when the Europeans arrived?

What bilge to pass off some theory like this as original.

Posted by: Brigade | May 4, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


I really don't know why Obama thinks it is so important to slight Britain - I suspect it has something to do about resentment over the slave trade - the triangle of trade with molasses. As bizarre as it seems - when all other possibilities are discounted, and only one remains, it must be correct.


Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is there has been four terrorist incidents in this country - with links to Al Queda - in the past 8 months.


This coincides with the OBAMA CHANGES IN COUNTER-TERRORISM POLICIES.

JRM2 has insisted that these have nothing to do with each other.

However JRM2 doesn't really support his assertion - all he does is talk about torture and Bush and whatever.


The truth is OBAMA CHANGED THE COUNTER-TERRORISM POLICIES - AND MADE THEM WEAKER.

AND now we have these incidents here in the United States - I have to do a google search - but there have been some other recent incidents as well


If you would like to discuss this - go ahead, but the personal attacks on this blog are getting out of control.

12Bar - I am surprised at you because you actually used to be reasonable - you can't expect everyone to agree with you all the time.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Who needs Israel and Britain when you can play footsies with Iran.
No doubt the bust of Churchill has been replaced by one of Mao Tse Tung.
What a guy.

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Who need stupid comments like this?

For the record, how exactly are we benefitting from that "special relationship" with Israel? I say cut them loose.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

37th, here's something for your scrapbook:

In today's USA TODAY, Traci Watson laments as another of our friends drifts away while our enemies continue to hate us.

"The trend has been particulary pronounced during the Obama administration, which has thrown the British news media into a frenzy through a series of perceived slights against the Britain.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown was denied a formal news conference in his first visit with Obama, who angered some Britons by removing a Churchill bust on loan from Britain from the Oval Office.

'Barack Obama has sent Sir Winston Churchill packing,' the Daily Telegraph blared.
'There's been a series of political sins of omission and commission' by the Obama administration, says Lisa Aronsson of the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank. 'It's clear that investing in the relationship with the U.K. was not a priority.'"

Hmmm. Who needs Israel and Britain when you can play footsies with Iran.
No doubt the bust of Churchill has been replaced by one of Mao Tse Tung.
What a guy.

Posted by: Brigade | May 4, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote: Mayor Bloomberg wants Congress to close the loophole that allows people on the FBI's terrorist watchlist to buy guns and explosives.
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I know this isn't your main point. Just focusing on the explosives--I'm under the impression that the explosive elements of the bomb (propane tanks, etc.) are not on the list of real explosives. (I think there is some list of restricted explosives.)

If true, does that indicate that the Paki-Tali do not feel confident they can get their hands on the "real stuff" and have to make do with household items?

Where is JRM2? We need his opinion on this.
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Obviously, access to handguns is easier than to restricted explosives. That says something.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

37th is only offline long enough to run to the store for more cans of bug spray and no-pest-strips, and to stand in the shower trying to wash away the invisible insects that are eating him alive.

The fact that nobody else can see them means nothing.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

First 37th is a counter terrorism expert. Now, he's an expert in constitutional legal matters. Before the day is done, he will be an expert in deep water petroleum drilling, oil containment engineering, pumping and barge operations and land reclamation.

Tomorrow, he will be an expert in [whatever occurs overnight].

He will feel compelled to "call out" anyone who actually has some expertise, because...because...ROFL...that person is a PARTISAN.

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama did NOT stop this attack before it happened -

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you do realize don't you that "Minority Report" was just a movie, right? That there are no such things are precogs? There is no Department of Precrime?

Or are you hoping to live in a nation of total surveillance?

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

The street vendor was the one with the fast reponse - not that FREAK in the W.H.

WHAT ABOUT NOT RESPONDING TO THE OIL SPILL FOR 12 DAYS????????????????????????????

freaks.

Posted by: joesmithdefend | May 4, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Man With Some Sense Department:

Mayor Bloomberg wants Congress to close the loophole that allows people on the FBI's terrorist watchlist to buy guns and explosives.

Insane though it may sound, the gun lobby is so adamant and extreme that it would rather potential terrorists have access to lethal weapons than face the possibility that someone may have to wait a few minutes before expanding his arsenal.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The question of Miranda rights is out there - however this time it is significantly different from last time.


This guy is a US citizen.


However, the suspect is working with a foreign terrorist organization which we are at war with. He making a act of war against the United States - on behalf of that organization.


To that end, under the Geneva Convention, he is still an unlawful enemy combatent - because he was attacking civilians and he was not in uniform.


So he is not entitled to the Geneva Convention POW protections - from there I am not sure of what protections he has as a terrorist under US law.


Anyway -

Obama did NOT stop this attack before it happened - if the terrorist had gone to the airport Saturday night or Sunday he would have gotten away.

If someone is in Pakistan for 5 months - and they are in or near the tribal areas - the US government should be on top of them and know what is going on -

Did we know about this guy or NOT ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Addendum to scrivener post, below:

Read Vic Livingston's "Dispatches from America's Microwave Ghetto" in the comments section of http://NowPublic.com/scrivener, and on his Facebook page...

...when it's not being censored by a rogue warrantless surveillance and censorship regime:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-censors-net-political-speech-targeted-americans

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 4, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you go beg some young women to talk to you, zouk. Here's a suggestion: tell them you're an aspiring photographer, new to the craft but willing to learn. They'll probably show you their privates in exchange for some snapshots.

Oh, wait, you tried that already. Sorry.

I'm doing just great at work, thanks for your concern. Why don't YOU try getting a job?

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Preening narcissist Joe "Israel First" Lieberman is saying that terrorist suspects should be stripped of their US citizenship. That's not a typo, *suspects*
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I just got back from a trip to the Middle East, where I met numerous Pakastani. Should I be locked up in the windowless room, have my citizenship "suspended" and questioned with those methods that "work so well".

Somehow, I thought that our rights were God-given and couldn't be taken away from the government. Whatever happened to that?

BTW, the Pakastani cabdrivers were very friendly.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Note that Ped is not technically " out of work" so banning is possible. And she actually originated the practice.

Keep in mind that going to work and not doing anything all day is not exactly the same as out of work. The village voice idiot is out of work. The communist Ped collects his needs from those who can do. It suits her morality.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Send In The Clowns Department:

* Daffy John McCain is incensed that Faisal was read his Miranda rights. As though reminding him that he lives in a nation of laws would make him clam up, sit on his hands, and snarl "I am not speaking a single solitary slovo until my lawyer gets here!" After all that's what the undiebomber did .. a moment .. a moment .. oh, wait, undies has been cooperating and giving valuable intel.

* Preening narcissist Joe "Israel First" Lieberman is saying that terrorist suspects should be stripped of their US citizenship. That's not a typo, *suspects*

Why don't we have some threshhold of idiotic pronouncement that strips a Senator of his office? These two clowns would have to be on the wrong side of it.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Who are the terrorists, again?

URGENT TO POTUS / VPOTUS / AG HOLDER / SEC. NAPOLITANO / SEC. CLINTON / SEC. GATES / SECRET SERVICE DIRECTOR MARK SULLIVAN, et al:

Think America doesn't torture its own?

Read the story of America's shameful Homeland "Torture Towers" -- a story that mainstream media cannot or will not report:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 4, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

More from Gov. Perry:

Perry said Texas' coast is unlikely to be affected by the spill, which is drifting toward Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Tx. Gov. Rick Perry, on Monday, warned against a "knee-jerk" reaction to the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, saying it is too early to assign blame for the disaster. ...

"From time to time, there are going to be things that occur that are acts of God that cannot be prevented," Perry said. "So until we know that, to make a judgment on this administration or any further activity may be a bit premature."
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Think he's "talking his book" or what.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

Just to rub salt into the wound--Faisal's another example of a domestic right winger plotting violence. Battle of the Lists continue...

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Re: the SUV-bomber .. I have several Pakistani coworkers. One of them just came back from a month vacation over there. According to our hysterical troll this guy should be taken in for questioning. I'd resist that, he's a totally nice guy.

We had another guy here, full-sized American flag hanging outside his cubicle, Second Amendment screeds pasted everywhere, lovingly detailed drawings of handguns on RKBA screeds pasted on bulletin boards. I worry a lot more about some guy like that going spla than my droog from Pakistan.

@Moonbat: you're a riot. Is there spittle-foam on your monitor? Or should I say, on the public library's monitor?

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of freelancers, drindl, I checked on the health insurance under freelancers union. Unfortunately, the only plan offered is for dental. No health coverage here. Thanks for the idea though. I appreciate it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Simple 37. You will never be banned if you reside on the far left end of the spectrum, out of work, mentally unstable, angry, irrational, minute by minute poster, cutting and pasting leftist idiocy, village idiot voiced, Obama adoring, communist, Mao worshipping, brainless, pedantic, uneducated, bile spewing, ignorant, chanting loon.

To the extent that you differ significantly from this description, you may be banned.

Posted by: Moonbat
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Does this include freelancers???

Posted by: leapin | May 4, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Simple 37. You will never be banned if you reside on the far left end of the spectrum, out of work, mentally unstable, angry, irrational, minute by minute poster, cutting and pasting leftist idiocy, village idiot voiced, Obama adoring, communist, Mao worshipping, brainless, pedantic, uneducated, bile spewing, ignorant, chanting loon.

To the extent that you differ significantly from this description, you may be banned.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

leapin, please save me from all the moneys

Posted by: DDAWD
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What country u from? u rite with assent.

Posted by: leapin | May 4, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@12BarBlues: you're a jinx! And you're getting closer in time to the incidents!
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I've thought of that too. Here's my plan: lay low, wait until events happen, then get on the plane. Wait--that's how you get to be completely crazy, paranoid, and committed to institution.

LOL.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

@12BarBlues: you're a jinx! And you're getting closer in time to the incidents!

The volcano happened while I was in VN .. fortunately for me, the prevailing winds were in the other direction. A lot of people asked me if my flight was going to be affected.

Turns out the word for volcano is, like most, a compound; "mountain [of] fire." I coulda guessed that.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Six weeks ago, I was walking around midtown, right where this SUV bomber parked. Five weeks ago, I was flying to Dubai, Bahrain, Oman, Muscat. Four weeks ago I was in Paris just before the volcano shut down air traffic.

I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe, with a little time slip.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm not exactly sure what got Comrade Zero banned - however look at some of the abusive comments here by some of the posters.

I seriously do not know where the line is.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

People who are wetting their pants over terrorism fears should try to get a grip. This is the modern world, it happens everywhehre... there is no 'safe' place and to think there can be is an illusion.

You should grow a pair and come to New York and ride the subway system, knowing that it's a major terrorist target... and just relax and get used to it. There are all kinds of threats in life and this is one of the least likely to affect you.

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

12BB: Here it is
www.UConn.edu/HLSMasters

Posted by: JRM2 | May 4, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

12BB, I'm pretty sure JRM2 doesn't want you to start guessing at who he works for.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 4, 2010 4:19 PM
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You're probably right. But, a google search for counter terrorism curriculum Master's brought up the site, so they're not exactly hiding their existence.

The site is very interesting (whether JRM is connected to it or not). There is a good description of the program. It makes me feel a little more secure that there is a body of knowledge around the subject and that people in Homeland Security specialize in it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse


Hey Chris ---- didn't I tell you moonbat was the same goon as Comrade Zero -- here he is calling someone a pedophile again....

"Actually Ped, you were first on the list. Remember?

Posted by: Moonbat | "

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

12BB, I'm pretty sure JRM2 doesn't want you to start guessing at who he works for.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 4, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

JRM -- just scroll past 37. worst kind of troll, the kind with nothing else to do. institutionalized, perhaps. should be, if isn't.

Thanks for the info.

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

@JRM2,

Is this your organization: http://www.chds.us/?masters/curriculum

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON, D.C. - After flying over a massive oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico during the weekend, Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, reiterated the Defense Department's commitment to work hand-in-glove with other U.S. agencies to reduce the slick's environmental impact.

"It's a tragic event that we're all focused on, and there's an awful lot of effort on the part of the entire government to mitigate this as quickly as we possibly can," Mullen said during a podcast interview to be posted on the Defense Department Web site.
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More of that "worthless" government action.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

@JRM2,

So glad you didn't disappear.

We realize you don't speak for your institution.

Can you describe the Master's Program? What kind of courses, taught by ?, security clearances required ?.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Damn, is there interesting stuff in this thread? I guess I gotta wade through the 37th garbage?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 4, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we lost JRM2. Too bad. This poster actually had counter terrorism background. We all could have learned something.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@12 Bar Blues:
I can only tell you a little bit because I am not authorized to speak on behalf of the institution I work for. I work in higher education, our institution provides a curriculum for national security professionals who want to earn a master's degree. Part of my job is to adapt research papers to digital media. This requires a lot of research and fact-checking. I am not an expert by any means in national security, though I have had a lot of exposure to professionals and content directly related to nearly all of the disciplines of national security.

That is why I keep on telling people to listen to the people who do this for a living, and not the partisan hacks from either side in the media and on these blogs.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 4, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

leapin, please save me from all the moneys

Posted by: DDAWD | May 4, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama's terrorism policies not working? Coulda fooled me .. here we are eight months further into his administration than Bush's without a major terrorist incident. A spla-mucker on an Army base, a guy who fried his nuts, and a Rube Goldberg failure in Times Square.

No planes flying into buildings.

No ignored Daily Briefing.

Keep up the good work, Mr. President.

Or perhaps I should say "the BETTER work."

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah cutting people's taxes has them cowering under their beds in fear.

Go back to sleep.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama's economic policies have terrorized millions more than actual terror plots.

Posted by: leapin | May 4, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


I agree with you all the time - and when I do, I tell you.

However, I refuse to allow Americans to continue to still be at RISK, without saying something.

And if someone comes on here with a bunch of bull, designed to defend a policy on a partisan basis, it should be called out.

No one stopped this attack - No one stopped the Detroit plane from blowing up.

These attacks failed on their own - OBAMA'S COUNTER INTELLIGENCE POLICIES ARE NOT WORKING.

Please understand this.

Because when I am proven wrong, I seriously do not want you to come to me and tell me I am wrong - I rather have you go to the families of the Americans who end up dying - and TELL THEM DIRECTLY.

Leave me out of it.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

@JRM2,

Even though some people are not interested in your background, I am. Can you tell us about your expertise? It's great to have someone on the blog who has background in the topic.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

JRM2


Do you actually have to see a hundred Americans die in Times Square before you agree with me ???


Do you actually have to see a plane blown up before you agree with me ???


Seriously, all these issues became CLEAR over the holidays.

Obama's policies are significantly WEAKER.

This is all based on some partisan agenda - not what is safer for Americans.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@JRM2,

You might be detecting by now why you don't want to engage 37th. We are not talking a full deck here with paranoia laid on for good measure. He doesn't care that you have a background in counter terrorism, because in his mind, he knows better than you. He does this all day every day, so most of the time we all just PgUp when we see his posts.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares what you disagree with, 37th, you're a brain-charred idiot.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


The country is most at risk right now


I just told you why - if there are other members of the sleeper cell, they may be concerned that the authorities are onto them right now

So they may be compelled to act right now.


Meanwhile - Obama's position is "MAKE SURE THIS TERRORIST IS READ HIS RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT"

What this terrorist knows is MOST IMPORTANT TODAY AND TOMORROW -


NOT a month from now when they finally get a plea bargain out of the guy.

jrm2 - that goes to you as well.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Obamabots have now twisted themselves into a position where blindly killing innocents from the air is considered superior to waterboarding the guilty on the ground.

Hmmm.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Obamabots have now twisted themselves into a position where blindly killing innocents from the air is considered superior to waterboarding the guilty on the ground.

Hmmm.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

JRM2

Obviously I disagree with everyone in your posting at 2:46 - and you know perfectly why.


You are being purposely deceptive in your posting,


This is NOT about Bush or Cheney - yet you keep on bringing them up - to make a partisan point about them.

This is about OBAMA'S WEAK TERRORIST POLICIES.

Obama is NOT DOING ENOUGH IN COUNTER INTELLIGENCE. This is clear. And it is the truth.


We went over this whole issue over the holidays - with the democrats sayin the same things.

And yet, now we have another incident in which HUNDREDS OF LIVES HAVE BEEN AT RISK.

THIS GUY WAS IN PAKISTAN FOR 5 MONTHS - AND OBAMA'S PEOPLE ARE NOT ON TOP OF HIM ???

GIVE ME A BREAK.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

OK actually this country is MOST AT RISK RIGHT NOW - IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
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Hearing voices, eh? Think you are a little paranoid?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter


My posting at 2:28 answered your question.


AND yes, there have been many many changes in counter-intelligence under Obama.

Numerous things can be done - and it isn't just torture.

Obama and the democrats are MORE concerned with proving some pathetic point that "Bush did something wrong"


Rather than - actually getting the security policies right.


HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED THIS PAST WEEKEND - IT IS NOT THE TIME TO DEFEND WEAK INTELLIGENCE POLICIES.

>>>> A guy becomes a US citizen in April 2009 - and then goes to Pakistan for a few months -


Obama and crew should have KNOWN who this guy was and what he was up to -


This WAS A SLEEPER CELL IN CONNECTICUT.

Obama is probaly more concerned if the guy got read his rights, instead of the intelligence we got from him.

WAS THIS THE ONLY PLOT OF THIS SLEEPER CELL????

SHOULD WE ALLOW THIS TERRORIST TO "REMAIN SILENT" WHILE OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS SLEEPER CELL COULD STILL BE OUT THERE ????


THE OTHER MEMBERS COULD BE THINKING THEY MIGHT BE CAUGHT - SO THEY MIGHT FEEL THE URGENCY TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT AWAY.

ALL WHEN OBAMA THINKS IT IS BETTER FOR THIS TERRORIST TO "REMAIN SILENT"


OK actually this country is MOST AT RISK RIGHT NOW - IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

37th: You know nothing about counter-terrorism. Read and understand though I doubt your partisan little brain will understand.


"Obama has the CIA demoralized - with the threats of holding people personally resposible for what was pre-approved to happen at Gitmo."
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Obama has clearly stated that NOONE will be held accountable for the prior administration's wrong doings at Gitmo or anywhere else. There is no action being taken. Contrary to your belief, he has not demoralized the CIA. But I will tell you who has, Mr. Cheney demoralized the CIA by setting up his own intelligence shop. Cheney despised the CIA, never trusted them and that is why noone listened to Richard Clark when he warned them about Al Qaeda.


"Obama has significantly changed the interrogation policies of both when terrorists are caught - and our cooperation with other countries."
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Yes, and for the better, there is no proof (in fact there is proof to the contrary) that torture yields reliable information, the guys who perform interrogations for a living have publicly stated so. Our world image have dramatically improved under Obama, we have countries cooperating now. One example is Pakistan launching their biggest offensive on the Taliban in the swat area shortly after Obama's visit. Obama has taken out more than haldf of the terrorists on the CIA's most wanted list in his first 9 months in office, he's taken out more senior Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders in 1 1/2 years than Bush did in 8. To give credit, Bush set up the system to allow this to happen.

"In Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama has shifted from a "capture and interrogate" policy to one which relies heavily on drones - one which leads to FAR LESS intelligence and kills innocent people along the way."
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Predator Drone strikes are a RESULT of intelligence, designed to take out senior commanders, sure we'd love to capture them but that would be very rare. It is undeniable that the Predator Drone program (which Bush initiated and Obama has accelerated) is highly effective at killing enemy commanders. It also kills innocents when the intelligence is flawed.

Don't waste your breath telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about, I research this stuff for a living.

Ask any counter-terrorism official and they will tell you that Obama is doing a fine job supporting all his options, the military also loves Obama because he listens, makes a decision based on critical thinking and acts.

The only people you hear making claims such as you do are partisan politicians and people like Cheney trying to cover their butts.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 4, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Actually Ped, you were first on the list. Remember?

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

37th,

Have you ever thought that you have an anxiety problem? It's a problem that you play out here on this blog, up to 18 hours a day. Every day. Every day of the week. Every week of the month. Every month of the year.

Is there ever a time when you are away from your obsessive anxious posting on this blog?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

As if we don't have enough blog clog with endlessly repetitive and useless 37th and zouk posts, we get this all-cap Drudge junk too.

Ban one zouk moniker, leave the others to behave the exact same way. If anyone is going to be banned, why isn't 37th first on the list?

Posted by: Noacoler | May 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Just because the terrorists are dumber than Obama - that doesn't mean our country is safe.

The terrorists might be making mistakes.

However, Obama's counter-intelligence policies are an even bigger mistake.

American lives are at stake.

There is nothing for Obama or the administration to be proud about here - HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ALMOST DIED - and the terrorist almost got away.

Geesshhh.

12Bar - go back to the OIL SPILL - apparently the PRE-APPROVED PLAN FOR DEALING WITH THE SPILL - BURNING IT - was NOT implemented on DAY ONE.

We have been subjected to a bunch of CYA from Obama - he is more concerned with CYA then getting the policy correct.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter at 2:25 says:

"I fail to see how I am wrong on this"

LOL - Exactly.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:34 PM

Since you will not counter the argument, I guess I am right. Thanks for the interesting argument.

I guess like me you do not want a Stalin like spy network existing in the USA.

Shall we talk about how racist the president is now?

Posted by: ModerateVoter | May 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Yawn.

another day of 37 and moonbat zouk posting nonsense and drool here ALL DAY LONG.

jeezus, what zeroes.

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

But you will be buying new cars from Obama for years to come.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter at 2:25 says:


"I fail to see how I am wrong on this"

LOL - Exactly.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse


Again you are wrong - if the terrorist had left Sunday or even Saturday night - the authorities did not know who he was at that point - he could have caught a connecting flight in Dubai and been long gone.


Or he could have driven over the Canadian border and caught another flight.

This guy could have been GONE.
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Now, you want to rant about what COULD have happened. Isn't it enough to rant about what DID happen?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

The CNN poll is good news because with a 45% in favor of Obama's handling of the issue and 47% not in favor means the Republican "terror-dial-a-vote" of the Bush Administration has died. Perhaps people are starting to elicit concious cognitive frontal lobal brain activity instead of unconcious cue sign stimulus response. AMERICANS, POLITICS IS PERCEPTION and NO! I would not buy a used car from Boehner.

Posted by: LEOMARQUES | May 4, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

JRM2

Obama has changed numerous counter-terrorism policies - mainly on account of a partisan agenda.


Obama has the CIA demoralized - with the threats of holding people personally resposible for what was pre-approved to happen at Gitmo.


Obama has significantly changed the interrogation policies of both when terrorists are caught - and our cooperation with other countries.

In Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama has shifted from a "capture and interrogate" policy to one which relies heavily on drones - one which leads to FAR LESS intelligence and kills innocent people along the way.

The list of altered procedures is extenisive.

There is NO DOUBT THAT OBAMA ADOPTED WEAKER INTELLIGENCE GATHERING POLICIES.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Tell that to Bloomburg who speculated that an angry white guy who didn't like obamacare must have done it. Liberals are incensed that the tea partiers won't act like liberals.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

@ 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 1:57 PM

"You really are missing the point here - these kinds of incidents were not happening with the frequency we have now under Bush."

Perhaps the perfect training grounds of Iraq are starting to bear fruit for the terrorists? I ways figured it would get worse before it got better.

"YOUR reasoning is flawed - you are trying to claim that nothing can be done - and yet under Bush all sorts of things WERE DONE - "

I never said nothing could be done. You are twisting my words. Stop it. You are being deliberately misleading. I will put it terms you can understand.

1. No Intel will ever be perfect

2. The level of Intel gathering to stop the NY incident would be massive. You would have to spy on millions of Americans. Basically anyone that leaves the country and comes back. Now do that for a period of years.

"And Obama has REJECTED THE METHODS THAT WERE WORKING."

You mean torture?

"Obama is not smarter than anyone - all I see is someone who is making dumb mistakes.

At this point, we could have had HUNDREDS of people dead in Detroit, and in New York -

AND yet, all you do is DEFEND OBAMA'S WEAK POLICIES.

Clearly, you are wrong - Thank God no one has died yet because Obama thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

Obama is not."

I fail to see how I am wrong on this. Tell me how our Intel gathering could have stopped NY? The only way I see it happening is with a spy network that work make Stalin proud. Do you really want to go down that road?


Posted by: ModerateVoter | May 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Will the Appeaser in Chief admit that this was an attack by an radical Islamic terrorist?

Posted by: cschot"
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If that's what the evidence shows (and it appears that way) then yes.

Until the investigation is complete it generally is not a good idea to speculate in matters this serious.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 4, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Sources tell CBS 2 that the suspect in the Times Square bombing attempt, who was arrested overnight while aboard a plane at John F. Kennedy Airport, should have been on the United States terror watch list, and that because he wasn't, he was able to board the plane.


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THIS is A FAILURE OF OBAMA'S POLICIES.

LET ME BE CLEAR.

OBAMA'S WEAK TERRORISM POLICIES ARE MAKING AMERICANS MORE VULNERABLE TO ATTACKS.

SOMEONE YOU KNOW COULD DIE BECAUSE OF OBAMA'S WEAK TERRORISM POLICIES.

Do not be fooled by Partisan hacks.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

More big government liberalism

open borders- racist

high energy prices- time for a tax

Israel and allies threatened - screw them

Fannie needs reform- subpeona Goldman.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I think it is a wash, there was no attack prevented, it fizzled on it's own.

Kuddos to the NYPD for the excellent job they did and the counter-terrorism team who's work led to a timely arrest.

This is neither pro, or con Bush or Obama.

As an N.YP.D. Sergeant once told me: "You cannot stop all terrorist attacks, just like you cannot stop all acts of crime."

37th do us the favor of telling us just exactly which "weak" policies Obama is promoting or GFY.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

According to moonbat, the government is worthless. But not too worthless to boom Alabama's Dauphin Island. The oil slick is now approaching Mobile Bay.

"Governor Riley: Alabama National Guard Soldiers Deploy Special Barrier Around Parts of Dauphin Island

MOBILE -- Governor Bob Riley said Alabama National Guard soldiers on Sunday began installing barriers around a portion of Dauphin Island filled with a chemical compound that will solidify if oil seeps into the barrier.

The solidified material can then be removed and disposed of safely and replaced with a fresh chemical solution to repeat the process, if needed.

Governor Riley said 120 members of the National Guard’s 711th Bridge Support Battalion were involved in the effort on Sunday.

The special barriers are produced by a company called HESCO - Hercules Engineering Solutions Consortium -- and are made of a collapsible wire mesh container and heavy duty plastic fiber liner. Originally designed for use on beaches and marshes for flood control, it has become a popular security device used by the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan to act as a barrier against blasts."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Will the Appeaser in Chief admit that this was an attack by an radical Islamic terrorist?

Posted by: cschotta1 | May 4, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


There is no such thing as a poobah, except in a Flintstone cartoon.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Liberal big government. Takes all your money and then stands around and does nothing.

Terror attack - let the Vet deal with it, I mean the terror threat according to nappy.

Oil spill - call back next week

Iranian nukes- Bowing and scraping are sure to succeed

no jobs- raise taxes

riding health costs- force more people into the system, that always costs less

the utter incompetence of government us on full display.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Again you are wrong - if the terrorist had left Sunday or even Saturday night - the authorities did not know who he was at that point - he could have caught a connecting flight in Dubai and been long gone.


Or he could have driven over the Canadian border and caught another flight.

This guy could have been GONE.

Anyway - did you see my posts on the new plan for the oil well - they are talking about a cone with a pipeline attached - which will deal with the issue of the pressure -


The oil will go through the pipeline onto a ship - a platform will probably have to be built at the site.

Also, the winds have shifted and the oil spill may shift east, and then south along with the loop current.

We all may be lucky - all along this way, the oil will be broken up and biodegraded - the EAST coast of Florida may be the are most affected.


Anyway.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

@everyone,

You should realize that 37th is the self appointed poohbah of the topic. He will point out to you, in his hysterical fashion, whenever he thinks you need to address him. And he will tell you how to address him. And he will demand that you address him. And he will tell you, if you don't address him, that you agree with him.

Get it? Troll.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

thingsthatshine


Don't twist my words around. All my statement stand as true.

You are actually changing the subject - the Iraqi war is different from the counter-intelligence operations concerning plots in the US.

You are trying to turn this issue around - I did not say that the democrats want American to be attacked - I DID SAY THAT OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE FAVORING WEAK POLICIES WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE RISK THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ATTACKED AND THAT AMERICANS WILL DIE.


So, please do not be deceptive.


I would greatly appreciate if you would comment on the ISSUES HEAD ON - instead of distracting the issue with something about Iraq - or mischaracterizing what I say.

At this point - your comment must be interpreted that you AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I SAID,


Because you really did not address the issues that I discussed.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

37th,

What an idiot you are. Even IF the guy would have flown to Dubai, they would have grabbed him in Dubai. Dubai authorities would have grabbed him so fast his feet never would have touched the ground. Get real, man.

They don't want stoooooooooooopid bombers there.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the Obama administration nips a tragedy in the bud. No matter how many Silver Salutes the "terrorists" toss at us, Bushes/neocons Welcome Wagon for alQaeda on 9/11 will never be eclipsed... don't ever forget that WingerWorld. Keep pickin' away at them, Obama...

Posted by: seakeys | May 4, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I think EVERYONE should realize that the terrorist was caught - ON THE PLANE


If he had tried to leave on Sunday, or earlier Monday - or even on Saturday - he would have gotten away.


Whatever credit you want to give to Obama has to be measured - there could have been hundreds dead in New York.

National Security should not be partisan.

However, Obama and the democrats have INSISTED ON MAKING NATIONAL SECURITY PARTISAN - INSISTING ON CHANGING PROVEN PROCEDURES - JUST TO MAKE A PARTISAN POINT.

American lives are AT STAKE BECAUSE OF OBAMA'S PARTISANSHIP.

This is the horrible horrible truth -

This country elected OBAMA NOT TO BE PARTISAN - BUT TO BE POST-PARTISAN.

Obama is holding this nation - and giving the country a job performance WHICH IS CLEARLY NOT WHAT THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR.

Today, the democrats were lucky again, that their policies did not lead to something worse.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

37thStreet wrote:
Obama changed all the counter-intelligence methods when he took office - AND NOW WE SEE AN UPSWING IN TERRORIST INCIDENTS.


The democrats on this blog - they DO NOT want to protect this nation properly.

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I'm sure you know that these are both false statements. In early 2005 the directors of both the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Defense Intelligence Agency testified to this effect before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, saying that the Iraq war was serving to recruit terrorists. In early 2006, the British Joint Intelligence Committee, which comprises leaders from the various British intelligence agencies, published a top secret memo similarly concluding that the Iraq war "has reinforced the determination of terrorists who were already committed to attacking the West and motivated others who were not". Islamic terrorists used Bush-era actions and policies to recruit and grow their orgnaizations. According to the UN, acts of terror worldwide saw a steady rise for six years (2001 - 2007).

As for your personal belief that people who disagree with you on this blog want America to be attacked, that is the kind of nonsense that genuinely discredits real thinkers on the right, blacked out by the caricature you present.

Posted by: thingsthatshine | May 4, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

At the time this person drove the car into Times Square, loaded with his amateur bomb President Obama was going about his day doing what presidents do. So he personally had nothing to do with this attack. But what people like "moderate voter" doesn't see is that when the Republicans start "politicizing" this issue they are trying to prey on your fear. No one but this "nut-job" knew this was going to happen. I am certain if this were to happen and George W. Bush was in office he would have been doing exactly what Obama was doing, going about his day. Now by the Republicans hammering Obama they raise your fear, make you think there was something they could have done and then they offer you a solution vote Republican and you will be safe. In a circumstance such as this there is no solution other than to create aPOLICE STATE straight out of George Orwell's 1984 and if you had to live in an Orwellian country the country would be the terroist. In short "moderate voter" the means don't justify the end. But all the Republicans are interested in is accessing your unconcious mind and with you they succeded. If every time you hear them making tough remarks against the terrorists and "nut jobs"," in your mind when you think of Republicans you will think "Iam safer with a Republican in office

Posted by: LEOMARQUES | May 4, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse


Obama changed all the counter-intelligence methods when he took office - AND NOW WE SEE AN UPSWING IN TERRORIST INCIDENTS.

The democrats on this blog - they DO NOT want to protect this nation properly.

Instead of enforcing the immigration laws - the democrats would rather quibble with a loophole - and have that lead to OPEN BORDERS.

The SECURITY OF AMERICA is at stake - and the democrats are constantly trying to justify WEAK policies.

Posted by: 37thand0street

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You don't know diddly squat about our counter intelligence operations. Go back to sucking on Rush's man-teet. The Paki Taliban is feeling real pressure for the first time in decades and a single dude almost got away with a car bomb. A Muslim US military guy went bananas on a base. A Nigerian male got on a plane in the Netherlands with his underoos dusted with explosives.

I don't this there's any actual escalation from the Bush years.

Posted by: theobserver4 | May 4, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration gets bad marks for their slow, but eco agenda advantageous, response to the oil slick. However they get high marks for their response to the Times Square would-be bomber. Of course, with reports of the suspect being a white guy, there was incentive to work fast.

Posted by: leapin | May 4, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

JakeD3


The name you are using is clearly intended to mock or be like the person who is JakeD and JakeD2.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

JakeD3


I don't think so - and the charges have been nothing but A SMEAR CAMPAIGN BY OBAMA'S ATTACK MACHINE.


This has no place in AMERICA -

And especially not by a President who is supposed to be representing ALL the people.

It is ABOUT TIME THAT EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY - THE MEDIA - START HOLDING OBAMA TO HIS OWN STANDARDS.

Obama should be measured against his own standards - POST-RACIAL - POST-PARTISAN - AND TRANSPARENT.


Any time Obama does not do any of those things, there should be a national outcry.

Because that is what Obama was elected to do - holding Obama to just that is important -

And it is completely fair to say all these things to OBAMA IF HE IS NOT DOING WHAT HE SAID HE WAS DOING.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Drindl wrote: This is such a non-story.

Wannabee bad guy, dumb as dirt, gets caught immediately by cops. The end.
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You're so right. This story has maybe 48 hours to run, then it'll slip off the front page. The only part of the story yet to play out is his shabby support system, which Pakistan will be only too happy to hunt down and turn them over to us.

Then, we'll be back to the BP gusher which will still be gushing. That's where I'm focusing my attention.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 4, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

NOW Holder is calling it a "terrorist plot" - it should bother EVERY AMERICAN that it takes DAYS FOR OBAMA TO GET A CLUE.

The same thing happened over the holidays.


OBAMA CLEARLY HAS HIS GUARD DOWN.

The terrorists almost got away - they were almost out of the country -

In fact, if they tried to leave on Sunday, or tried to get out through Canada, they probably would have gotten away.

Sorry, Obama is pretty close to a COMPLETE FAILURE.

Anyone who tries to spin this to say Obama is doing the right thing with intelligence, is CLEARLY WRONG.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Do you call FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM civil ?

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And that's coming from the King of false charges of racism, so he/she should know.

Jake in 3D signing out

Posted by: JakeD3 | May 4, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

jcow


You are right.


Obama changed all the counter-intelligence methods when he took office - AND NOW WE SEE AN UPSWING IN TERRORIST INCIDENTS.

The democrats on this blog - they DO NOT want to protect this nation properly.

Instead of enforcing the immigration laws - the democrats would rather quibble with a loophole - and have that lead to OPEN BORDERS.

The SECURITY OF AMERICA is at stake - and the democrats are constantly trying to justify WEAK policies.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter


You really are missing the point here - these kinds of incidents were not happening with the frequency we have now under Bush.

And yet, even today on this blog, people are saying that Bush was "all wrong" with his counter-intelligence efforts.

And Obama's ways are superior according to this posters. That view is CLEARLY WRONG. Obama is TAKING NEEDLESS RISK WITH AMERICAN LIVES WITH HIS POLITICAL AGENDA.

YOUR reasoning is flawed - you are trying to claim that nothing can be done - and yet under Bush all sorts of things WERE DONE -

And Obama has REJECTED THE METHODS THAT WERE WORKING.


Obama is not smarter than anyone - all I see is someone who is making dumb mistakes.

At this point, we could have had HUNDREDS of people dead in Detroit, and in New York -


AND yet, all you do is DEFEND OBAMA'S WEAK POLICIES.

Clearly, you are wrong - Thank God no one has died yet because Obama thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

Obama is not.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The commentator makes one fatal flaw in his article. The Obama administration did NOT thwart the attack. Not this one and not the underwear bomber. Ordinary citizens did that.

Posted by: jcow | May 4, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Look, Napolitano is a POLITICAL Hack!
No Experience in the position and is a complete disgrace to this administration.
For Salazar to call for her to be one of the SCOTUS candidates show's how out of touch he is and what a set up the Obama administration has planned for America.

Dump NAPOLITANO, Stop this madness!
Secure our SOUTHERN BORDERS and do your JOB Mr. President!

Won't get fooled again in 2010!
No foriegn Aid until America's Bills are paid!

Posted by: TDickson1 | May 4, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter and drinl


Go ahead, deny that there has been an UPSWING in terrorist incidents under Obama.

At the same time that OBAMA CHANGED THE INTELLIGENCE GATHERING OPERATIONS.

There is a correlation.

And ModerateVoter - you are far from moderate - you are more like a left-wing hack.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Your posting misses the point : our intelligence services should be catching the plot BEFORE THERE IS A BOMB IN TIMES SQUARE."

THAT'S RIGHT, DAMMIT -- WHERE ARE THE PRE-COGS?

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

@37thand0street | May 4, 2010 11:56 AM

We all agree that Intel should catch these guys before they attack. The reality of the situation is that such a goal is impossible.

I hope they get the big plots (like 9/11)

A car full of common every day items. All virtually untraceable. This is alot to ask of an Intel service.

I guess we could spy on anyone that travels overseas for a period of say two years. However, they would find away around that.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | May 4, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

drindl, ardent Republicans aren't the only ones inclined to make political hay of unsuccessful terrorist attacks. They're probably the only ones who are going to do it right now, sure, but during President Bush's time in office, there were plenty of ardent Democrats who would have been willing to blame Bush for even the faintest hint of a terrorist attack on the grounds that what he was doing was making the terrorists angry and more prone to attack. I'm not going to get into the argument of who's to blame for what, but blaming the president for everything terror-related that happens (or doesn't happen) is not a tendency that occurs only in Republicans.

margaretmeyers, if what you're calling for is a movement toward actually thinking about things rather than reacting to them viscerally and-or based on what one has been told by agenda-driven pundits and politicians, then I'm with you. But good luck selling that message. People hate to think.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | May 4, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

olafaux


I have to comment on your posting at 11:56

Do you call FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM civil ?

Do you call SMEARING Republicans on the wall street bill - while there are bipartisan negotiations going on - civil ??

It appears that you miss the point - the behavoir of OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS over the past few weeks has been UNAMERICAN.


Yet, somehow you claim the Republicans should remain civil.

The attitude of Obama and the democrats have been a DISGRACE TO OUR DEMOCRACY.

IT IS ABOUT TIME DEMOCRATS START TO ADMIT THAT.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

For the past few weeks, some Republicans have regained or are starting to regaig their civility, when politicizing events since we ELECTED our new President.
May God Almighty bless those few. Now, for the nefarious & the rest, including the ex vice president, who, continue to pray to their gods for major terror event under this President.
Woe unto you.
No man can bring down, "he" whom the God of gods has elevated.
Amen.

Posted by: olafaux | May 4, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

MerrillFrank


Your posting misses the point : our intelligence services should be catching the plot BEFORE THERE IS A BOMB IN TIMES SQUARE.

Sorry, but you are saying that you are happy with the work AFTER the bomb was there.

ALSO - I find your attempt to place a PARTISAN SPIN on fighing terrorism QUITE SICKENING.

It appears that you would rather let the terrorists run wild - then have proper intelligence operations.

And your motive is CLEARLY PARTISAN - you are not basing your comments on what is best for the security of AMERICAN LIVES - but on some democratic talking point.

I find your position sickening.

In addition, it is people like you who are going to lead to Americans being killed -

If that bomb in Times Square worked, you certainly would not be trying to make the point you have in your comment.

TAKE A RISK WITH YOUR OWN LIFE - NOT OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I live in NYC thankfully good old fashioned gumshoe police work by the NYPD, the FBI and the Justice Department solved this, not Bush-Cheney torture or secret prisons.

Go down to the Italio-American Museum in lower Manhattan. There is an exhibit honoring the 100th Anniversay of the death of Lt. Petrosino who was killed in Sicily while going after the Mafia. Do we still have a Mafia? sure thankfully it has considerably shrunk over the years to a few fat oldsters sitting in back of a pork store due to the effectiveness of law enforcement and disapproval in the Italian-American community. Over time Islamic terror can be reduced in the same way.

Where were Zouk, 37th and Comrade Zero and other posting ilk when:

pre 9/11 the Cheney terror task force that never met

Aug 6, 2001 PDB Condi Rice and Bush in Crawford. As Bush said "You covered your ass"

Bush sitting in a classroom with a blank look in his eyes reading to kids when my fair city was attacked.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | May 4, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The image of 37thand0 shrieking his head off at his keyboard is just precious. It makes his tantrums on these boards all the more entertaining.

Posted by: delatopia | May 4, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

'And of those who do profess to feel threatened by an unsuccessful terrorist attack, the vast majority are the types whose votes aren't going to flip as a result because they were already dead-set against whoever's in charge.'

I'd say instead that anyone who is scared by all this is always going to vote Republican, and always has, so it changes nothing.

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

We keep on talking about Obama's soft stance on terrorism - and we keep on seeing failed terrorist attempts on US soil - which Obama then DOWNPLAYS.

Do we really want a President who downplays every terrorist incident ?

And then everyone has to complain that the President is getting it wrong on terrorism - and we have to sit around while the President gets his story right - with a series of press releases like over the holidays?

This is a problem.

It also indicates that Obama is not trying that hard behind the scenes - that Obama is not interested in fighting terrorism - that he much rather IGNORE THE TERRORISTS.

Whether we like it or not, the POLICY OF THE US GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW IS TRY TO IGNORE THE TERRORISTS.

.......AND leave our borders open because we don't want to offend the hispanics.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

'And of those who do profess to feel threatened by an unsuccessful terrorist attack, the vast majority are the types whose votes aren't going to flip as a result because they were already dead-set against whoever's in charge.'

I'd say instead that anyone who is scared by all this is always going to vote Republican, and always has, so it changes nothing.

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I feel like all voters need to cut back on their "emotional resonance." It's really getting in the way of progress.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 4, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Rs BECOME COMPLETELY INCOHERENT:

"As the massive oil disaster in the Gulf continues to devastate the ecosystem and economy of the region, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) has a novel proposal: expanding oil drilling. Roll Call reports that, yesterday, Boehner said the “tragedy should remind us that America needs…[the] Republicans’” pro-drilling energy plan:

House Republican leaders are once again sounding the drumbeat for passage of their sidelined pro-drilling energy reform package, even as state and federal officials scramble to stem a massive Gulf oil spill.

“This tragedy should remind us that America needs a real, comprehensive energy plan, like Republicans’ ‘all-of-the-above’ strategy,” House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said Monday in a statement."

Um, huh?

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade, you beat me to it on the suspected Drudge link.

Honestly, I don't think any unsuccessful terrorist attack is really going to have repercussions on President Obama's standing on national security, or any other president's standing on the same, for that matter. No matter what the reason for the attack's failure, I'd say the majority of people will feel safe as long as it failed. And of those who do profess to feel threatened by an unsuccessful terrorist attack, the vast majority are the types whose votes aren't going to flip as a result because they were already dead-set against whoever's in charge. Die-hard foes of President Bush who were inclined to blame him for everything, die-hard foes of Obama who are inclined to blame him for everything, etc.

I used variations on "die" and "dead" way too many times in that last paragraph. I promise it wasn't intended to be meaningful.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | May 4, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"The ability of the Obama-led government to not only thwart a terror attack but also catch the man believed to be responsible in short order is likely to inspire confidence in voters -- even if only in the short term -- in the President and his ability to keep the country safe."


No one buys that nonsense....no one


The bomb failed to go off due to muslim technical ignorance and their belief that " allah wants it to work then it will" (Inshallah)...they can buy a cell phone but not repair or invent one......

Obama is proMuslim, antiAmerican and like all democrats, a racist to boot....


Dump the democrats in November

Posted by: georgedixon | May 4, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

It is clear that Obama is NOT handling terrorism properly.

Obama is MORE INTERESTED in pushing a false narrative that supports his political agenda - RATHER THAN DEFENDING AMERICA PROPERLY.


The only thing that has PREVENTED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE FROM DYING IN THE DETROIT PLANE INCIDENT - AND AGAIN IN TIMES SQUARE - IS THE INCOMPETENCE OF THE TERRORISTS - NOT OBAMA.

And yet, Obama prefers to press this false narrative that the tea party movement is on the verge of violence -

OBAMA IS DIVERTING VALUABLE HOMELAND SECURITY RESORCES IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

This is CLEARLY AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

WaPo editor alert! Impactful? Is that a word in the English language? Chris, it reads like you are channeling the former president (W).

"While it may be impactful at the margins in November"

Oh, I see. It emerged into use in the 21st century. You are just a new age kind of a guy.

Main Entry: impactful
Part of Speech: adj
Definition: having a great impact or effect
Dictionary.com's 21st Century Lexicon
Copyright © 2003-2010 Dictionary.com, LLC

Posted by: Isolated_In_N_GA | May 4, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Under the Clinton Administration training funds were cut dramatically for Seal Team 6 and Delta. The cuts were so dramatic as to make both almsot ineffective. Seal Team 6 had to pay for ammo for training out of their own pockets.

Now the Obama adminitration is doing the same thing.

I am sorry how did Comrades Holder, Neapolitano, Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al prevent this. Like the moron back over Christmas we lucked out. Neither one of these idiots tested their devices beofre departing on their mission. As a result both bombs were duds and one of the terrorist is now a eunuch.

The question is did AQ or whoever set up these guys to fail to probe our defenses or did we luck out becuase both wer knuckleheads. The Obama administration better hope its the latter. I fear its the former. Where is the Prince of Darkness the enemy of anyone iwht a jd or llb after their name when the country really needs him? Its time for Comrade Joe to abdicate and time for Cheney to come back as VP. Dems win the midterms and actually pick up seats with the Dick back in charge! Draft the Dick in 2012. Only he can save us from socialist hell!

Posted by: sheepherder | May 4, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Since it wasn't a Tea Partier or some militia person clinging to guns and religion, does it mess up the Narrative, Chris?

Posted by: steelers_rule123 | May 4, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

shrink -- it's too bad about Corker. I thought he was going to be straight about finance reform, but he's backing off on his own bill now.

But of course he's begging for Fed money now that he has a disaster. All the wingers do, when the chips are down. Jindal gave Obama the biggest hug when he got to LA-- guess he's dead to the wingers now. But he was sure glad to see him!

I see zouk is on here with a hundred names already this morning -- must be cheesed because Chris knocked him off the board last night as Comrade Zero for his foul mouth.

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

There is one aspect of the terrorism issue which has been underreported - there has been a SIGNIFICANT UPTICK IN TERRORIST INCIDENTS UNDER OBAMA.


Many of these incidents have been on US soil.


We have Fort Hood -

The Detroit Bomber


Times Square


The Colorado -Queens bomber


There have been several other incidents.

Something has been going on - either the intelligence operations have changed - allowing these things to happen - OR the strategy employed by al queda has changed - however there is something different here.

AND Obama appears to be COMPLETELY UNWILLING to rise to the occassion - Obama does NOT want to fight - Obama would rather IGNORE THE WAR, THEN FIGHT.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

LIBERAL DEMOCRATS! ANTI-AMERICANS! PROGRESSIVE JEWS OF THE ACLU! OBAMITES ALL!

STAY ON MESSAGE!

Don't let this minor setback demoralize! There are still many, many evil white people. Not to mention Asian and Latino businessmen and professionals that betray their identity group and go to tea parties!

COMRADES! STAY ON MESSAGE!

1. We need more immigration from Pakistan, not less! In fact from everywhere - and trying to control our Borders is racist!
2. Whatever noble oppressed brown peoples do in the name of Allah the Most Peaceful and Merciful is all America's fault! We must address the root causes of why they hate us.
3. Immigrants need their privacy, not a Facist Jackboot State monitoring their personal calls to Yemen, Pakistan, or allies like Saudi Arabia.
4. This wouldn't happen if we only impose carbon taxes on everything and save ourselves with Wondrous Wind Power, Blessed Solar!
5. Faisal Shahzad made a silly, laughable attempt like the hysterically inept underwear bomber. They killed no one. But white Tim McVeigh killed many.
6. Faisal Shahzad is 1st and foremost a US citizen with precious civilian rights. His rights and his presumption of innocence and his right to lawyer up after being Mirandized are paramount. Unless we wish to trade our liberty for a little temporary security and descend into the long dark night of Fascism.
7. We need more, not less regulation of dangerous items like muzzleloader powder, SUVs,tinted windows, BBQ propane tanks, and garden fertilizer.
8. If cartoonists offend followers of the Religion of Peace, we should consider a new Federal Cartoon Oversight Agency to remind cartoonists and their editors of their responsibility to help prevent man-caused disasters. To stop senseless individual acts like Faisal Shahzad is suspected to have done

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | May 4, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

You are a frigin moron enough said

You do not negotiate with Muslims and Islamics they know only one thing force kill them before thy kill us!BTW sounds like we should include chrisford1 as one of the lunys who have been drinking the palin limbaugh koolaid oh well chris just brought the colective intelligence of board down a notch

Posted by: lildg54 | May 4, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Duh. Nothing was thwarted, and only the ineptitude of the bomber, which is about like the Odumbo cabal, resulted in anything.
Odumbo, Holder, Napolitano and the rest of the incompetents continue to bend over for our muslim terrorist enemies.
Contemptible.

Posted by: LarryG62 | May 4, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

drindl, the moon got a bad rap.

I saw Corker on Squawk Box today rehashing Republican talking points on the politics of the financial reform bill (read, vote deals)...and how the big problem is Fannie and Freddie, the bill will do nothing about bad underwriting, etc.

They he sort of lost it about how bad the floods in his state are and went on about how hard he was going to work to pull down the millions of dollars in Federal Aid TN needed to get back on its feet again. Another RINO?

Posted by: shrink2 | May 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

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Colbert: The Times Square bomber hates us for our freedom and "our rhinestone studded Big Apple thongs."


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Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

It is probably correct that terrorism will not be a primary issue in the November elections - HOWEVER - the terrorism issue is an important "sealing the deal" issue. If someone is wavering, or not sure on the economic issues - or a democrat who is not sure they should vote against democrats on the economic issues, the national security issue will be important in tipping the scale.

Yes, many voters make a decision based on one issue.

However, many voters need to think through more than one issue - the economy may bring many democrats into a neutral position - and the national security issues pull them over.

That said - the national security issues ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

People who believe that "Obama is soft on terrorism" - they really are not looking for an issue for the election - those people are HORRIFIED AT OBAMA'S POLICIES - and they genuinely disagree with Obama's policies.

What is worse for Obama - Obama's polices appear to be based on a misguided political agenda - much more than any assessment of what is best for the country from a security point of view.

These issues will probably be added as an additional count in Obama's impeachment - because the lack of collecting intelligence leaves the country OPEN to impending attacks.

The American Public has to come to a complete understanding of just how dangerous to American lives Obama's political agenda has become.


This blind application of Obama's political agenda could easily lead to the loss of American lives - and this is an extremly serious situation.

Unfortunately, the media is not going to take a hard look at this until something happens.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Justice Department, under both Bush and Obama, has captured and convicted more terrorists than the Cheney torture regime ever did. They grabbed this jerkoff is hours.

Terrorism will be with us forever. As this incident shows, any idiot can be a terrorist. We need to accept that and get on with our lives. Insisting that our military quit slaughtering civilians would help too.

The Obama administration is doing a fabulous job -- it will be even better when the dead weight from the Bush administration slowly creep out of the Justice Department.

While McCain and his ilk want to hike this fellow off Quantanamo, the FBI is busy rolling up his network.

You subhuman "close the border now!" bunch are so irrational that it's hard to even address you "arguments". The reality is that we live in a pluralistic society -- all colors, all languages, all religions, and increasingly (thank "god") people of no religion at all. This is the case in every developed nation around the world. Get used to it.

Posted by: Casey1 | May 4, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The late Samuel Huntington made a career of saying very very controversial things. Every time he came out with a new thought, he was attacked by almost everyone. Ironically, as time passed, he was always proven to be right. It is time for thoughtful people to accept his view that we are in a age of the clash of civilizations. Unfortunately, I know such a view is politically incorrect and will be attacked by most readers of the Washington Post.

Posted by: jeffreed | May 4, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

You can just hear the disappointment in the voices of liberals that the terrorist suspect turned out to be a Pakistani Muslim and not a white Tea Party supporter. Reality bites!

Posted by: WashingtonDame | May 4, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"The new anti-immigrant Arizona law allows law enforcement officials to engage in a dragnet against people suspected of looking like undocumented immigrants. The law had to be amended because its original version was almost certainly unconstitutional. The revised law authorizes local and state law enforcement authorities — including the campus police — “to question those they suspect to be illegal immigrants and ask that they produce verification of their status.” A new NYT/CBS poll shows that “the public broadly agrees that the Arizona law will result in racial profiling, overburden local and state law enforcement agencies, and decrease illegal immigrants’ willingness to report crimes for fear of deportation.”

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Liberals must be dissappointed this was not some tea party guy. They have been hoping to show how violent rightties are. The fact is that even when three leftists get together windows get broken and arrests are made.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Ahnold makes sense.


"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) has flipped on his support for expanded drilling off the California coast, saying, “You turn on the television and see this enormous disaster, you say to yourself, ‘Why would we want to take on that kind of risk?’”

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"The ability of the Obama-led government to not only thwart a terror attack but also catch the man believed to be responsible in short order is likely to inspire confidence in voters -- even if only in the short term -- in the President and his ability to keep the country safe."

In fact, the attack WAS NOT "thwarted" by anything other than the attacker's incompetence. This ridiculous attempt to bolster Obama's anti-terror credentials serves to destroy confidence in the WaPo's reportage.

Posted by: mvd78209 | May 4, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The Feds nailed the guy.

And police work in conjunction with Federal work is exactly what we need to prevent such attacks.

It's all very simple when you don't try to politicize everything that happens.

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Why it seems like it was just yesterday that questioning the President's wartime decisions made one unpatriotic. How quickly things change....


What war. This is just a US citizen expressing their right to free speech. Just like bill ayers, berry's mentor and ghost writer. The bomber will probably sit in for olbermann when he skips ofF to the vineyard.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Napolitano is a no-good. She embarassed Obama on Christmas Day and she has embarassed the White House again this week. She can't even manage the immigration issue properly. She should just go.

Posted by: blasmaic | May 4, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

shrink -- all the loons are up early with all the usual lunacy.

This is such a non-story.

Wannabee bad guy, dumb as dirt, gets caught immediately by cops. The end.

But the bedwetters will latch out into for weeks, I'm sure -- howling at the top of their lungs. I can imgine 37 as a big fat, overgrown baby, stuffed into a carriage, red-faced and shrieking all the time.


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Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

As soon as I saw the headline of this article (immediately examining the meta "political" aspect of some noteworthy event) I said to myself "Chris Cillizza".

Lo and behold, there's his byline.

Sigh... what in the world has happened to journalism?

Posted by: mpl2 | May 4, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

As soon as I saw the headline of this article (immediately examining the meta "political" aspect of some noteworthy event) I said to myself "Chris Cillizza".

Lo and behold, there's his byline.

Sigh... what in the world has happened to journalism?

Posted by: mpl2 | May 4, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

thebobbob


I have no idea what your basis is for your statement at 9:41 that Republicans can not be trusted with National Security.


You do not support this clearly incorrect statement.

Bill Clinton slowly pulled our intelligence resources out of the Middle East - until our country was blind - a condition which hurt us badly on 9/11.


The Republicans have been the ones keeping our military strong.

The democrats always want to wave the white flag - like Harry Reid's statement that the Iraq war was lost.

Again, I have no idea how you could make such an outrageously wrong statement.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Once again the combination of ineptitude and an aware private citizen stopped an attack. The Feds were AWOL as usual. Obimbo has hollowed out the CIA and FBI as well as nypd terror patrol.

All that bowing and scraping and apologizing was supposed to reduce the attacks. Instead they have roughly doubled.

One of these days the killers will succeed and then the chickens will come home to roost indeed.

The notion that Obama can take any credit for stopping this is preposterous. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 4, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Well, oh, its going to be one of these days.

Veni, vidi, abii.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 4, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

and with the collusion of the hysterical 'reporting' done you can be sure there will be further assaults on the few constitutional protections remainings.

already st johnnie the maverick is advocating stripping this u.s. citizen of his rights.

osama is very happy.

Posted by: mycomment | May 4, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

The idea that Republicans are to be trusted with "National Security" is laughable. Saying it's so doesn't make it so and, in fact, all evidence points to the contrary.

It's a catchy marketing slogan that worked for years like, "Coke adds Life" or "You'll look better in a sweater washed in Woolite" but it sure isn't rue and no one but the brain dead believe it.

Posted by: thebobbob | May 4, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Was Shahzad read his rights at the airport - before officials COULD GET INTELLIGENCE FROM HIM??


Did Obama get up IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO SEND SHAHZAD A LAWYER ???

The problem is clear: the terrorists abroad are carefully watching the procedures - and they are quickly developing countermeasures.

Give a terrorist a lawyer - and start negotiating a plea-bargain for him -

AND the NEXT terrorist will immediately be ready for that - he will have bogus intelligence information ready to be negotiated for a lesser sentence.

Obama's new procedures IS WEAK ON TERRORISM - AND CAN BE EASILY COUNTER-ACTED.

Obama has to get through his head that we are at WAR - the terrorists are acting TOGETHER AGAINST OUR COUNTRY.

Regular criminal prosecution procedures do not apply - when they are quickly analyzed and gamed to work AGAINST OUR COUNTRY.


This is CLEARLY ANOTHER WAY OBAMA IS UNABLE TO GRASP WHAT HIS JOB ENTAILS AND OBAMA INSISTS ON PERFORMING POORING FOR THE NATION - BASICALLY NOT DOING HIS JOB.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 4, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The rules change overnight when a Democrat becomes president, bsimon. Everyone knows that.

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I see both 37 and kingofzouk are on with new names -- although still the same transparent style.

How truly pathetic.

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Why it seems like it was just yesterday that questioning the President's wartime decisions made one unpatriotic. How quickly things change....

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 4, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

What Arizona has been seeing walking in through the borders seems to be heading East.
It is military grade, and they seem a little tired of calling this a drug war anymore.
Apparently, Drugs are only a fraction of the product and human contraband sneaking in.
The largest nuke in the World is there, and if they want to know who comes and goes from their State they have good reason to.

Boycott the boycotts to stop the illegals and mitiarty grade insurgents from walking in.

Posted by: dottydo | May 4, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

What Arizona has been seeing walking in through the borders seems to be heading East.
It is military grade, and they seem a little tired of calling this a drug war anymore.
Apparently, Drugs are only a fraction of the product and human contraband sneaking in.
The largest nuke in the World is there, and if they want to know who comes and goes from their State they have good reason to.

Boycott the boycotts to stop the illegals and mitiarty grade insurgents from walking in.

Posted by: dottydo | May 4, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I"ve a feeling Drudge linked here again. Although the image of forts repelling Germans from the US/Canada border is amusing.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 4, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"The ability of the Obama-led government to not only thwart a terror attack ...." Explain exactly how the government thwarted the attack, Chris. Did they use a powerful "stupid" ray to incapacitate the brain of the terrorist? Did Eric Holder use a fire extinguisher to put out the fireworks? Did Janet Napolitano turn off the valves on the propane tanks. Face it, a terro attack wasn't thwarted, it was botched.... We need to be prepared for more!

Posted by: lovinliberty | May 4, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

It is NOT an ILLEGAL Immigration or LAW issue. The problem is SECURITY of the BORDER and the "Government Stupid's" failure to PROTECT us. Maybe it is time for the military leaders to do something. The "Government Stupid" is NOT about protecting WE THE PEOPLE anymore just their PARTY!! Wonder how many JIHADIST have come in from the SOUTH!! They look Hispanic ,OH, NO PROFILING!! Sorry!!!!

In WWI we had forts built along the border to protect us from GERMAN'S

Close the borders NOW. Deploy the National guard our make a NEW branch of the military. Hey we do have 15 million unemployed!!!! Many are Veterans. They no how to survive in tough terrain!!

Since the "Speech Giver" has NO problem using DRONES. Even to protect HIS daughters from pop stars!! Use the Drones on the Drug-cartel kingpins!!! to protect OUR families!!

Tell all the ILLEGALS they have till a certain date to return back to their countries or they will be locked IN!!

Then charge them a MANDATORY being in the country ILLEGAL fine. Just like the one I am going to pay for NOT buying Health-Care Insurance. But wait if I do not Buy Insurance or PAY the fine. I could go to jail for breaking a LAW!!

Will that make me a POLITICAL PRISONER???

TERM LIMITS NOW !!

FAIR TAX NOW !!

DEATH TO JIHADISTS !!

CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW!!

Posted by: 79USMC83 | May 4, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

LIBERAL DEMOCRATS! ANTI-AMERICANS! PROGRESSIVE JEWS OF THE ACLU! OBAMITES ALL!

STAY ON MESSAGE!

Don't let this minor setback demoralize! There are still many, many evil white people. Not to mention Asian and Latino businessmen and professionals that betray their identity group and go to tea parties!

COMRADES! STAY ON MESSAGE!

1. We need more immigration from Pakistan, not less! In fact from everywhere - and trying to control our Borders is racist!
2. Whatever noble oppressed brown peoples do in the name of Allah the Most Peaceful and Merciful is all America's fault! We must address the root causes of why they hate us.
3. Immigrants need their privacy, not a Facist Jackboot State monitoring their personal calls to Yemen, Pakistan, or allies like Saudi Arabia.
4. This wouldn't happen if we only impose carbon taxes on everything and save ourselves with Wondrous Wind Power, Blessed Solar!
5. Faisal Shahzad made a silly, laughable attempt like the hysterically inept underwear bomber. They killed no one. But white Tim McVeigh killed many.
6. Faisal Shahzad is 1st and foremost a US citizen with precious civilian rights. His rights and his presumption of innocence and his right to lawyer up after being Mirandized are paramount. Unless we wish to trade our liberty for a little temporary security and descend into the long dark night of Fascism.
7. We need more, not less regulation of dangerous items like muzzleloader powder, SUVs,tinted windows, BBQ propane tanks, and garden fertilizer.
8. If cartoonists offend followers of the Religion of Peace, we should consider a new Federal Cartoon Oversight Agency to remind cartoonists and their editors of their responsibility to help prevent man-caused disasters. To stop senseless individual acts like Faisal Shahzad is suspected to have done

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | May 4, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Although I have been highly critical of this administration's handling of terror suspects, AG Holder appears to have received the message. From what has been reported, I feel that FBI and NYC Police Dept have worked very well to apprehend the suspect. Fortunately, the street vendor noticed the smoking vehicle.

Posted by: jhpbriton | May 4, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations to the NYPD, the FBI and the Justice Department. And, congratulations to the President; his people got it right this time. Now, let’s get down to brass tacks. We need more federal money here in New York dedicated to preventing and responding to terrorism. Washington may be the political capital of the U.S., but New York City remains the financial, cultural and media capital.

Posted by: codexjust1 | May 4, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"Still, terrorism remains one of the best issues for Republicans. "


Why is that, because the only successful attack on US territory came on their watch?

Because Condi Rice warned Bush that it was going to happen and he WENT ON VACATION?

Because Cheney was suppose to be heading a task force on terrorism in 2001, but they never actually met?

HUH?

Posted by: drindl | May 4, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

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