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Tweeting the health care summit

Starting at around 10 am this morning and lasting for as long as our fingers can take it, we'll be live tweeting the much-hyped bipartisan health care summit at Blair House.

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    By Paul Volpe  |  February 25, 2010; 9:30 AM ET
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    I believe that Sen. McCain meant that in this case reconciliation would hurt the country because the majority of voters are against the proposal.
    The spontaneous election wordplay was not Presidential, better made for Saturday Night Live.

    Posted by: RayOne | February 26, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

    The point is Obama did NOT go in there to find a BIPARTISAN COMPROMISE ON A MIDDLE GROUND.

    Instead, Obama was just playing a game - with PARTISAN motives - and PARTISAN OBJECTIVES.

    THAT IS A FRAUD.

    OBAMA IS A WALKING FRAUD AGAINST HIS OWN CAMPAIGN THEMES.

    DON'T GET MAD AT ME IF YOU WERE FOOLED INTO VOTING FOR HIM.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 1:42 AM | Report abuse

    CAN YOU TELL me the areas in which Obama offered a compromise between his position and the Republican positions ???


    Can you point to the compromises which Obama offered ???


    Everyone pretty much knew where the sides stood this morning - so in seven hours - did Obama offer any middle ground - any offer in the middle - any compromise ???

    Tell me.


    Go ahead.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 26, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

    @37thandOstreet

    It's been so fun to read your posts, coming straight from the campus of Georgetown University. If you are a student, get a life and go get laid or something. Spending your day in a dorm room spouting vitriol is pretty sad. And if you are a professor, it's even more sad.

    Posted by: njacobs | February 25, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

    NDEPENDENT MEDICARE ADVISORY BOARD

    ‘Sec. 1899A. (a) Establishment- There is established an independent board to be known as the ‘Independent Medicare Advisory Board’.

    ‘(b) Purpose- It is the purpose of this section to, in accordance with the following provisions of this section, reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending—

    * * *

    ‘(d) Congressional Consideration-

    * * *

    ‘(3) LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS-

    ‘(A) IN GENERAL- It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, or amendment, pursuant to this subsection or conference report thereon, that fails to satisfy the requirements of subparagraphs (A)(i) and (C) of subsection (c)(2).

    ‘(B) LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS IN OTHER LEGISLATION- It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report (other than pursuant to this section) that would repeal or otherwise change the recommendations of the Board if that change would fail to satisfy the requirements of subparagraphs (A)(i) and (C) of subsection (c)(2).

    ‘(C) LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THIS SUBSECTION- It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.

    ‘(D) WAIVER- This paragraph may be waived or suspended in the Senate only by the affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members, duly chosen and sworn.

    ‘(E) APPEALS- An affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members of the Senate, duly chosen and sworn, shall be required in the Senate to sustain an appeal of the ruling of the Chair on a point of order raised under this paragraph

    Posted by: win1 | February 25, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

    Can we at least be adults here ? The democrats, including your post, are really making fools of themselves.

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 5:27 PM
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    @Streets&Alleys,

    I know you would like to set the rules about who the fools are. And you want to set the rules about who talks, and for how long, and about what. Can't you see how everyone is paying attention to your rules? Who's the fool?

    Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

    If the Democrats like majority rule so much, why did they put a provision in the Health Care Reform bill that would require a 3/5 majority to amend, or repeal?

    Posted by: win1 | February 25, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

    leapin and brainny


    Christina Aguliera


    Christina Hendricks


    Christina Applegate

    Any other Christinas you include in there ???


    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

    12BarBlues


    Reconciliation is not going to give Obama what he wants - please read some of the posts on here.

    Reconciliation is ONLY for budget items.

    The democrats are throwing this word around, and they have NO IDEA what they are talking about.

    Can we at least be adults here ? The democrats, including your post, are really making fools of themselves.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

    Also for a party that says they represent many Christinas, where is the Christian ethos helping and having compassion for the poor and sick. Bake sales and charity does not work. Wait the GOP is for Big Business. By the way I am a Christian.

    Posted by: Brainny
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    I agree. The D Party is always telling the poor and sick about how much they do or are going to do for them. However, the conditions in the inner cities that have largely been run by the D party for years suggests otherwise.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

    Brainny


    Obama has been honest ? Let start with the time - he said they would have equal time - then Obama spoke for an extra 45 minutes at the end.

    The Republicans came in good faith - and Obama took 3 times the time.

    Obama really blew it - this was his chance to LISTEN -


    Obama is a liar.

    and you are a liar.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

    Also for a party that says they represent many Christinas, where is the Christian ethos helping and having compassion for the poor and sick. Bake sales and charity does not work. Wait the GOP is for Big Business. By the way I am a Christian.

    Posted by: Brainny | February 25, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

    Obama says we are not starting over. Go to reconciliation. Go, go, go--don't stop, don't wait, don't ask for permission--go, go, go.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

    What is this now - the LECTURE PORTION OF THE SUMMIT?


    Obama said it would end at 4:15


    Now Obama won't stop talking.

    What is going on - Obama has already told us that TIME DOES NOT APPLY TO HIM.

    WE KNOW OBAMA THINKS REALITY DOES NOT APPLY TO HIM.

    Obama is outside of space-time ????


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

    Ped what are you the insult dog now? You have become pitiful, sinking to new lows every day. More rejection in the sandbox? Perhaps a new do. Maybe a combover going the other way will not scare their tender sensibilities as much. Maybe a personality transplant.

    Posted by: Moonbat | February 25, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

    Again the GOP shows their true colors. Many were for the indivdual madnate and then flipped flopped not out of principal but for cheap political points. Obama has been honest and many people just cannot seem to get used to the fact he is our president. He has tried to reach out and he he had Chuck Grassley saying " the plug will be pulled on grandma". If anyone wants the truth check out a blog on the Daily Beast to see how we got to this point. This bill is again veyr moderate and there has been to much fear mongering. For anyone who believes this is socialism or a government takeover of health care, you are either unreachable or have not read a book lately. Gte off the Drudge Report for news.

    Posted by: Brainny | February 25, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

    I understand what you mean, shrink. I was reflecting recently on the lack of empathy, generosity and all the traits which we associate with 'humanity' and how the rightwing brain just isn't wired for them.
     
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    There is actually a lot to this.  One study I read about .. a liberal hears her baby crying, she comforts him, regardless of how recently he ate, etc.  A conservative hears her baby crying, she says that he has no reason to be crying and ignores him.  Statistically significant.  Echoes of the “entitlement” and “free lunch” BS these idiots are always yelling about.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

    All four of the items you presented as evidence are budgetary items

    How stupid are you

    Several people on here corrected you - told you what the rules are - and you still insist that something was done in the past outside the rules.


    AND you use that fabrication to JUSTIFY doing something outside the rules now.

    At this point you are either deceptive or completely stupid. Everyone is sick of your attitude - AND this is how the Obama people are doing a terrible disservice to the country AND poisoning the political system.

    OK ? Now read what people have told you and stop telling Lies


    YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD WHAT THE TRUTH IS - SO NOW YOU ARE NOT STUPID - YOU KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE -


    STOP BEING A LIAR.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

    No, they're not 37. You are proving your ignorance
    YET AGAIN.
    IN FACT,
    THAT'S ALL
    YOU EVER PROVE
    ,,,,,,
    Posted by: drindl
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    You talk a lot about people needing therapy for rage but it’s widely accepted that people who type in CAPS convey anger. I hope you can reconcile this conflict.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

    @leapin,

    Of course this is a dog & pony act. You know it and I know it. So, let's get to the action. I'm ready. Let the R's catch up if they want on the train. They had their chance for years.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

    It really looks stupid.

    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

    ==

    nothing here could possibly look as stupid as any one of your posts

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

    THE SAD PART about today is that any reasonable person could see that there is a compromise available - a vastly scaled down bill which centers on health insurance regulation

    There is NO AGREEMENT on a massive government program - or on massive new taxes

    There is a compromise in there - but the democrats don't want it - but that is available.

    Obama has been blocking the available compromise.

    So whose fault is it, really ?


    Obama take the deal - Obama was ready to explode when Boehner was speaking - Boehner was putting the outlines of a deal on the table - and Obama simply did not want it.

    Now we have a lecture by Obama - who still wants twice the amount of time to TALK

    WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO WILL TAKE TWICE THE AMOUNT OF TIME TO LISTEN.


    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

    No, they're not 37. You are proving your ignorance

    YET AGAIN.

    IN FACT,

    THAT'S ALL

    YOU EVER PROVE

    ,,,,,,

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

    When does reconciliation go through? What is everyone's prediction about that?
    Posted by: 12BarBlues
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    Are you saying that today was just a dog and pony show? Obama is not going to take time to thoughtfully consider ANYTHING that was said today? Don’t you think that people will see through such as sham? This is close to admittance that Obama and the bi-partisanship were a falsehood before even going into the meeting today.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

    Just another typical day in the Obama administration.

    All talk.

    No action.

    ==

    yeah dispensing with the talk and going straight to the action worked so well in Iraq didn't it.

    Moron.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

    I've been out of town so haven't been following healthcare closely. Are the Dems going to go for the reconciliation route?

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

    Despite his commitment over the past few days that each side would get equal time, Obama showed up today saying that he should get EXTRA TIME BECAUSE HE IS THE PRESIDENT.

    ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER FRAUD.

    ANOTHER CHILDISH LITTLE LYING GAME BY OBAMA.

    OBAMA IS A LIAR.


    OBAMA CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.

    THE Republicans showed up in good faith - did Obama show good faith back?

    Not really.

    This has been the MOST PATHETIC AND SAD DISPLAY BY AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.

    IT REALLY IS A SAD DAY FOR THE COUNTRY.

    OUR PRESIDENT IS A COMPLETE FRAUD.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

    drindl


    ALL the things you list in your posting are BUDGET ITEMS.

    How stupid are you?

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

    When does reconciliation go through? What is everyone's prediction about that?

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

    Where do the $50 billion in Medicare fraud and abuse prevention savings come from.
    None of the esitmates I have seen put it that high. GAO mentioned 17 billion per year, but that was for improperly filed, and as GAO said, not all fraud or abuse but legitimate claims with mistakes in filing.

    Law Enforcement says there may be $60-$100 billion per year for all health care in the nation

    Fraud and Abuse prevention costs money, one reason why private insurance administration costs are higher is because they do more fraud and abuse detection and prevention.

    Posted by: win1 | February 25, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

    drindl


    You have no idea what you are talking about - stop making a joke of yourself after you have been corrected.


    It really looks stupid.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

    While Republicans seem to be experiencing a particular form of political amnesia from the Bush years, they ought to be reminded that budget reconciliation has been used by several other presidents, including Clinton and Reagan. In fact, Republicans — with Bond and Gregg among the leaders of the charge — were instrumental in pushing through key provisions of their signature legislative agenda, the Contract with America, using budget reconciliation. '
    Posted by: drindl
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    Drindl – You refuse to answer why a healthcare bill with all positives and no negatives doesn’t have overwhelming support with no need for a Rham job.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

    CBO says individual insurance premiums would increase, 10-17%, small business lower 1-2%, large business lower 1-3% under the bill compared to current law.

    Posted by: win1 | February 25, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

    Scientific polling (Rasmussen) shows we trust private industry more then government on health care.

    Posted by: win1 | February 25, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

    drindl:
    Bush didn't pass bills, Congress does. Bush signs them or not.
    Those bills had bipartisan support. Budget reconciliation is a process used to reconcile the budget to revenues. Since those bills did that, and had bipartisan approval, it is nothing similar.

    Posted by: win1 | February 25, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

    Yea, why isn't this ALL BUSH'S FAULT ?

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 4:42 PM
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    It is. Obama just didn't want to p*ss you off.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

    oh look, zouk's pseudonyms are starting to talk to each other. how entertaining is the schizophreniac mind.

    I wonder if he has finger puppets for each name?

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

    Reid is very selective about that Kaiser poll this morning, if you look at the whole poll, people want them to pass smaller measures that are like by both parties, not the comprehenives reform bill.

    Posted by: win1 | February 25, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

    'Despite their howls against Obama, Republicans employed the same procedure to pass major Bush agenda items (which were supported by all four aforementioned Senators):

    – The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
    – The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
    – Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
    – The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]

    Judd Gregg defended using the reconciliation procedure to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for domestic drilling in 2005, arguing, “The president asked for it, and we’re trying to do what the president asked for.” Evidently, Gregg has lost the same sense of patriotic duty.

    While Republicans seem to be experiencing a particular form of political amnesia from the Bush years, they ought to be reminded that budget reconciliation has been used by several other presidents, including Clinton and Reagan. In fact, Republicans — with Bond and Gregg among the leaders of the charge — were instrumental in pushing through key provisions of their signature legislative agenda, the Contract with America, using budget reconciliation. '

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

    Yea, why isn't this ALL BUSH'S FAULT ?

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

    Chris Cilizza does the best political Twitter feeds in the country. I have followed all the action this way and it has actually been interesting. What a long, long day this must have been! I loved following it this way and still getting my work done. Thank you, Chris.

    Posted by: fairfaxvoter | February 25, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

    Just another typical day in the Obama administration.

    All talk.

    No action.

    Posted by: Moonbat
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    6 hours without blaming Bush is a major achievement for this administration.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

    McConnell just really really really WANTS to do something, but he just CAN'T because well we have the best healthcare system in the world.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

    Just another typical day in the Obama administration.

    All talk.

    No action.

    Posted by: Moonbat | February 25, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

    Joe Barton has given the best explanation of the Republican vision of healthcare.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

    McCain says reconciliation could "harm the future of our country".

    Idiotic, John. Then why have republicans used it so much?

    Posted by: drindl
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    Why is reconciliation being considered for a propasal with a public option that will reduce the deficit, increase the quality and availability of care for those who already have coverage, provide new affordable care for millions who don't, and provide free ponies for all, citizen and illegal alike - all without raising anyone's taxes or doing anything else detrimental to the economy. This is all because our present government is more competent and caring than any that has come before. MM-mm-mm!

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

    Starting Over?


    The democrats simply do not have the votes for their 2400 page bill.

    So who is kidding who ???

    I think Pelosi has thrown the towel in - did she even talk today ???


    The Republicans have offered a deal - let's have a scaled back proposal which everyone can agree on.

    Obama was shaking his head and seems to get angry at that - Obama wants a massive bill with all sorts of things in there that no one knows about - dump it on the internet in the middle of the night and vote on it 72 hours later.


    Obama has his compromise - it is sitting there - he doesn't want it.

    Every reasonable person in the country can see what is happening here.

    AND the abortion provisions as well - Obama won't even talk about that - he wants something to go through which he CLEARLY DOES NOT HAVE THE VOTES FOR.

    Obama really blew it.

    He really did.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

    njacobs


    ALL budgetary items - for reconciliation


    Don't be a LIAR

    Don't try to deceive people -

    It's about time you are called out.

    In a Muslim country, your tongue would be cut out.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

    STOP the name-calling or get off the internet

    those are your only two choices.

    ==

    no, there is another

    you can blow me

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

    In point of fact, reconcilliation was used to pass Contract for America, as well as the Reagan tax cuts, and 21 other piewces of legislation in the past half century.

    Posted by: njacobs | February 25, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

    Go, Barrasso--love that sound bite about the sick who EVERYONE knows eat too much and smoke too much. Love it.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

    drindl


    You are a liar - or you have no idea what you are talking about


    Is it time for you to go back to your padded room??


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Idiot.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    Pot, meet kettle.

    Kettle, meet pot.

    Charmed, I'm sure.

    Posted by: JakeD3 | February 25, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

    They have the clock on


    108 min Democrats


    58 min Republicans

    NOW is Obama talking or listening?


    What is the purpose of this summit - is it bipartisanship -

    One has to wonder.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

    'Contract on America' was passed by reconciliation, idiot. that's alreaady been brought up a dozen times today. you don't know how to listen or learn, do you?

    no wonder this is all you have in life, your whining.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

    this is why we are seeing what we are:

    'A new analysis by the Center for Public Integrity shows that corporate interests attempted to exert an unprecedented amount of influence in the health care debate over the past year. More than “1,750 companies and organizations hired about 4,525 lobbyists — eight for each member of Congress — to influence health reform bills in 2009.”

    These groups included 207 hospitals, 105 insurance companies, 85 manufacturing companies, and 745 trade, advocacy, and professional organizations. Overall, “[b]usinesses and organizations that lobbied on health reform spent more than $1.2 billion on their overall lobby efforts.”

    In June, Senate Republicans met with health care lobbyists in order to “recruit stakeholders to oppose options such as a government-funded insurance plan and a mandate requiring employers to help pay for heath insurance.” Republicans also requested that health care lobbyists be given at least 72 hours to review any legislative language in the Senate Finance Committee.

    A recent Center for Responsive Politics analysis found that “federal lobbying soared to record levels last year,” with “about $1.3 million spent on lobbying for every hour that Congress was in session in 2009.”

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

    drindl


    Reconciliation is only for BUDGET items - they used it for the budget items.


    Going outside of that - the Republicans have not gone.

    It is extremely deceptive to say the Republicans have used it 21 times - and not say those times were limited to the budget.


    IS IT deception or ignorance which is behind your comment?

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

    this is why we are seeing what we are:

    'A new analysis by the Center for Public Integrity shows that corporate interests attempted to exert an unprecedented amount of influence in the health care debate over the past year. More than “1,750 companies and organizations hired about 4,525 lobbyists — eight for each member of Congress — to influence health reform bills in 2009.”

    These groups included 207 hospitals, 105 insurance companies, 85 manufacturing companies, and 745 trade, advocacy, and professional organizations. Overall, “[b]usinesses and organizations that lobbied on health reform spent more than $1.2 billion on their overall lobby efforts.”

    In June, Senate Republicans met with health care lobbyists in order to “recruit stakeholders to oppose options such as a government-funded insurance plan and a mandate requiring employers to help pay for heath insurance.” Republicans also requested that health care lobbyists be given at least 72 hours to review any legislative language in the Senate Finance Committee.

    A recent Center for Responsive Politics analysis found that “federal lobbying soared to record levels last year,” with “about $1.3 million spent on lobbying for every hour that Congress was in session in 2009.”

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

    By the time you control for highway deaths, accidents, guns and non uniform reporting, none of which are related in any way to health care, the statistics the libs cite wash out to nonsense.

    Posted by: Moonbat | February 25, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

    Noacoler


    STOP the name-calling or get off the internet


    those are your only two choices.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

    'Who does Obama dislike more? Boehner or McCain? '

    they're both so sleazy, cringe-inducing and hateable, who knows?

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

    McCain says reconciliation could "harm the future of our country".

    Idiotic, John. Then why have republicans used it so much?

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

    leapin, the data is as clear as it could be.

    We DON'T have the best healthcare on earth, not by any measure. We die younger, we get suck more, fewer babies reach adulthood, we have more chronic illness.

    Your beliefs about markets are not supported by the data.

    Now scream about Socialism some more, dodge the point, I know you won't let me down.


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    .


    Idiot.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

    McCain says "none of us want to do nothing". Huh?

    Merely a year ago, the R's were advocating doing nothing. Now, a year later, they SAY they want to do something, something that can only come from a blank sheet of paper. But, until then, oh well, guess that CAN'T do anything.

    Sounds like the typical middle schooler explaining why he can't do his homework. "I really, really really really want to do it, but ah just CAN'T".

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

    Rep. Boehner just said - let us write down what we both agree on - and pass that into law - the Republicans are willing to give Obama a health care bill.

    Obama has been BLOCKING this compromise.

    It is CLEAR what has been going on here.

    Obama is sitting there with his Senate version which he wants to use as a "basis" - it just does not work practically.


    There are just too many provisions to negotiate out - Obama is not going to get a situation in which he says "OK I will agree to 7 or 8 Republican ideas, stick them in, and IN RETURN, the Republicans agree to 2400 pages of democratic proposals."

    Anyone can see, that is not going to work.

    Obama has to be committed to a 50-50 deal.

    And just look at how he deals with the time.


    He agrees to a 50-50 split of time, but says his talking doesn't count, it is extra - well that shows his approach.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

    Boeher LIES. We do not have the best healthcare system in the world. It is the most EXPENSIVE healthcare system in the world.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues
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    Not mutually exclusive.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

    Of course Boehner lies. It comes with the party. A Republican would rather blow a bull elephant than tell the truth.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

    You conservative cretins REALLY should take a look at 12bar's link. And come back and explain why our "market based" healthcare ends up costing so very much while delivering so very little.

    Posted by: Noacoler
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    Could you break out the effects of current government run programs such as Medicare?

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

    37th, there are no places in VN without good Internet. Even in the poorest rural provinces with roofs of scavenged corrugated steel there are cafes with good broadband.

    The one who needs to get off the Internet and get a f ucking life is you, pest.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

    Mr. President, Boehner is acting like a child. Please scold him like one.

    Posted by: DDAWD | February 25, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

    WHAT IS ASTONISHING is that the democrats are actually blocking a compromise - and that has been going on for a year.

    Obama has made serious serious mistakes in this process.


    It is CLEAR to anyone with BRAIN that a scaled back bill - concentrating on health insurance regulation - with no massive government program and no massive taxes - is the COMPROMISE WHICH WOULD GO THROUGH CONGRESS.

    The democrats - Pelosi, Reid and Obama have been BLOCKING THAT COMPROMISE.

    That compromise has been sitting there the whole time - it has been said multiple times on this blog.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

    Boeher LIES. We do not have the best healthcare system in the world. It is the most EXPENSIVE healthcare system in the world.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

    A few reasons healthcare is so much cheaper in every other industrialized country than here
     
    (1)     Profiteering on basic healthcare (as opposed to liposuction and rhinoplasty) is illegal.  The marketplace is explicitly excluded.  So no executive salaries in the billions at the expense of people who need treatment, and no incentives to exclude sick people.  Medical care for medical care, not for shareholder value
    (2)     Economies of scale .. instead of wasteful duplication of effort (aka “competition”)
    (3)     Standardization.  Physicians don’t have to maintain staff for dealing with insurers nor so much of their day filling out widely differing forms
    (4)     Preventive care.  Insurers in the USA have incentives to hope people get sick.  They don’t make money keeping people healthy, they make money on people who haven’t taken care of themselves
     
    Basically, the reason healthcare works so much better, comes in so cheaper, and reaches so many more people is because it’s not based on that foppery called “economics,” but is based on its actual mission.
     
    In my future home, Communist Việt Nam, there are signs everywhere advising nutrition for infants and motorcycle helmets, all sorts of preventive ideas so people don’t need to get healthcare.  When was the last time you saw an ad for the basic food groups?  You won’t.  We live in a free-market sh|thole.  That’s our problem.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

    You conservative cretins REALLY should take a look at 12bar's link. And come back and explain why our "market based" healthcare ends up costing so very much while delivering so very little.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 3:17 PM
    -------------------------------------
    Everyone should look at this link. It's not just the Japanese who do better than we do. There are LOTS of countries who do better than we do.

    http://blogs.ngm.com/.a/6a00e0098226918833012876a6070f970c-800wi

    Enlarge graph for viewing.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

    AMAZING that Obama actually objected to having a copy of his bill at the summit.


    Rep Cantor piled up the 2400 pages in front of him, and Obama appeared offended by that.

    BUT IT'S THE BILL.


    This guy Obama is a complete idiot, he doesn't know what he is doing, he hasn't shown any constructive leadership.

    I really don't know how the country could fall into the hands of such an incompetent person at such a critical time in our history.


    Obama is making history alright - THE HISTORY OF INCOMPETENCE.

    When will the country be spared ? I guess if Obama resigned, and Biden went in, someone who has decades of experience, Biden will at least have some instincts at work which would benefit the country.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

    Noacoler


    Would you please get off the internet ? You are not contributing anything. If you are really moving to Vietnam, please move to an area without an internet connection - and if there was a way you could completely drop off the Earth, I would greatly recommend that - it would improve mankind.


    And at this point, that is the only good you can do.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

    Go, Kent Conrad. Good sound bites.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

    You conservative cretins REALLY should take a look at 12bar's link. And come back and explain why our "market based" healthcare ends up costing so very much while delivering so very little.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

    koolkat, yeah, 'leapin' has got to be him. dead ringer.

    I was reflecting recently on the lack of empathy, generosity and all the traits which we associate with 'humanity' and how the rightwing brain just doesn't seem wired for them.

    It made me think of those documented feral children, raised by wolves and so forth, who never learned to speak, to eat with utensils, even to walk on two legs, or to communicate, except the most basic gutteral indications of rage, fear, etc.

    I would guess that most 'conservatives' were raised in such emotionally barren families -- ie, parents who were just like them -- that they never really achieved human potential and behave by and large like beasts.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

    Looks like moonbat/zouk/drivl/ace mcnumbnuts has created several new screen names -- there are dozens of posts from rightwingnuts that could only have been written by someone as singularly stupid as zouk is.

    Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 25, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

    drindl wrote: How does the Japanese system provide health care at lower cost than the American system?
    ------------------------------
    Japan spends $2,600 per capita
    U.S. spends $7,300

    Japanese access health system more than 12x year.
    Americans access health system less than 4x year.

    See http://blogs.ngm.com/.a/6a00e0098226918833012876a6070f970c-800wi

    Enlarge graph for best viewing.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

    Paul Ryan for President.

    Posted by: antipc | February 25, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse


    How does the Japanese system provide health care at lower cost than the American system?


    Japan has about the lowest per capita health care costs among the advanced nations of the world, and its population is the healthiest. That is partly due to lifestyle factors, such as low rates of obesity and violence, but the widespread availability of high-quality health care is also important. Everyone in Japan is covered by insurance for medical and dental care and drugs. People pay premiums proportional to their income to join the insurance pool determined by their place of work or residence.

    Insurers do not compete, and they all cover the same services and drugs for the same price, so the paperwork is minimal. Patients freely choose their providers, and doctors freely choose the procedures, tests and medications for their patients. '

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

    The Obama administration expects to borrow yearly hundreds of billions of dollars from the Chinese to expand American healthcare. In some sense, therefore, 400 to 500 million Chinese — most of them without much access to even rudimentary medicine, doctors, and hospitals — will be working overtime to loan Americans enough money to ensure universal access to necessary and not so necessary procedures.

    Cut through the soaring rhetoric: We are left with an America that assumes the world’s less well-off will directly subsidize our own better-off.

    No wonder that Obama has cooled his rhetoric on Chinese smoky coal plants, Tibet, mercantile trade policies, and human rights. All such idealism falls before the statist's voracious appetite for borrowed cash.

    For Obama to fulfill his grand visions of expansionary American entitlements in health, education, and welfare, he must jettison the idealistic international rhetoric, and instead concentrate on the money. We want dollars that we haven’t earned. And, like a grasping heir, he will do or say almost anything to get them.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

    Even 3rd world countries have better health care than the US...
    '
    William Hsiao is a professor of economics at the Harvard School of Public Health and co-author of the 2004 book “Getting Health Reform Right.” He served as a health care adviser to the Taiwan government in the 1990s, when officials decided to reform that country’s health care system and to introduce universal coverage. He spoke with Anne Underwood, a freelance writer.

    Q.

    Taiwan instituted universal insurance in 1995. What was the health care system like before?
    A.

    Only a portion of the people were insured, including civil servants, employees of large firms and farmers. The military had its own system of coverage. But 45 percent of the population did not have insurance, and they faced financial barriers to access to health care. President Lee Teng-hui felt strongly that he wanted to do something concrete and visible for all the citizens. He thought of introducing national health insurance to touch the lives of all the people. There was a sense in Taiwan that health care is needed by everyone and a country has to assure everyone equal access."

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

    'THE ELECTION'S OVER'.... The discussions at the health care reform summit today have been broken up into sections. When Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) took a turn to speak, the subject at hand was supposed to be insurance reform.

    But McCain decided to skip the topic, and instead whine bitterly about process. He complained about not having enough transparency; he complained about things President Obama said during the campaign; and he complained about "unsavory" deal-making in the Senate.

    The president, appearing a little annoyed, explained, "We're not campaigning anymore. The election's over." Obama added that "we can spend the remainder of the time with our respective talking points going back and forth. We were supposed to be talking about insurance."

    When McCain, appearing even more acrimonious than usual, said, "The American people care about what we did and how we did it." The president replied, "They do care about it, John, and I think the way you characterized it would get some strong objections from the other side. We can have a debate about process or we can have a debate about how we help the American people at this point. And the latter debate is the one I think they care about a little bit more."

    It's been a consistent problem all morning. Obama has tried, repeatedly, to focus the discussion on substantive policy matters. Republicans have generally responded with talk about process, legislative mechanisms, and the number of pages in the bill.

    Knowing media outlets, this exchange will likely be one of the more talked-about developments of the morning (Obama vs. McCain will prove irresistible). And that's a shame, because the substance of this discussion matters infinitely more than the senator's resentment about losing an election.

    McCain, like his GOP colleagues, was given a chance to raise meaningful concerns and debate the policy in earnest. But whining is so much easier than governing, and talking points are easier to repeat than arguments about policy.

    For some, the election is never over.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

    Leapin, you know as well as I that conservatives take more than liberals from the government. The red states take more handouts than the blue and the big tickets sump pumps like defense contractors are all conservative.

    Why don't you outgrow books with pictures and dialog with exclamation points and learn to read.

    And oh, grow up. That "democrap" and "free lunch" BS is infantile.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

    MSNBC - HOCKEY GAME

    CNN Off - talking about polls

    Fox - Off

    CSPAN - THE SUMMIT IS NOT ON CPAN

    CSPAN2 THE SUMMIT IS NOT ON CPAN 2

    What a complete disaster - the least they could do is make sure this thing was covered.


    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 2:36 PM


    With NBC switching to women's hockey, that could only mean that the democrats have lost.

    Posted by: doof | February 25, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

    With the rare exception of reason5, every regular conservative poster here appears to be seriously mentally ill. Whether they’re living in a permanent state of snarling rage or exhibiting clearly defined cognitive deficits, there’s not a one of them who could carry out a job at a desk using the reasoning powers and self-control as in lack thereof they exhibit here. Zouk, armpeg,and leapin can’t get through a paragraph without flying off the handle, JakeD has the logical faculties of a preadolescent aboriginal, 37th has some obsessive compulsive thing going on … the only question is my mind is whether or not this unmistakable connection between political conservatism and disordered thinking is peculiar to the online experience or to conservatism in general.

    Posted by: Noacoler
    ------------------------------------------
    If we could get liberals to contribute more than they take from the government a national healthcare plan could become a possibility and then they could get help. If everyone would contribute their share then good things could be possible.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

    Noacoler


    Shut up - stop harassing other posters

    If you have something of substance to the topic to say - say it.

    But leave the other posters alone.

    I don't know how many times you have to be told - it is pretty simple.


    WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ???


    Please disconnect your computer immediately.


    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

    And if the networks were required to carry the talks you'd be on here screaming about tyranny. Why don't you go jump out a 20th story window and put your trust in the marketplae you unemployed idiot.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

    This is California's high risk pool for ONE person (me), as it exists today:

    Annual premium .............$16,800
    Deductible............................2,500
    Annual cost........................19,300

    Waiting period for pre-existing conditions
    ..............................1 year

    No wonder no one can buy this.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues
    ------------------------------------------
    True, That's why a bankrupt nation can't afford it either.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

    Obama could not get Pelosi to stop whatever was going on in the House for a few hours - so CSPAN could cover the summit ???


    CSPAN 2 has a Barney Frank Committee hearing on now.

    WOW WOW WOW - THIS IS A COMPLETE DISASTER FOR OBAMA - IT SHOWS A COMPLETE LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND INCOMPETENCE.


    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

    With the rare exception of reason5, every regular conservative poster here appears to be seriously mentally ill.  Whether they’re living in a permanent state of snarling rage or exhibiting clearly defined cognitive deficits, there’s not a one of them who could carry out a job at a desk using the reasoning powers and self-control as in lack thereof they exhibit here.  Zouk, armpeg,and leapin can’t get through a paragraph without flying off the handle, JakeD has the logical faculties of a preadolescent aboriginal, 37th has some obsessive compulsive thing going on … the only question is my mind is whether or not this unmistakable connection between political conservatism and disordered thinking is peculiar to the online experience or to conservatism in general.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

    All the networks have CUT AWAY FROM THE HEALTH CARE SUMMIT

    MSNBC - HOCKEY GAME


    CNN Off - talking about polls


    Fox - Off


    CSPAN - THE SUMMIT IS NOT ON CPAN


    CSPAN2 THE SUMMIT IS NOT ON CPAN 2


    What a complete disaster - the least they could do is make sure this thing was covered.

    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

    While their poll-tested talking points may sound convincing, the ideas the Republicans are proposing actually shift all the costs and risks of insurance onto individuals and divide the market into low-cost plans for the young and healthy and high-cost insurance for the sick and older.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 2:24 PM
    ----------------------------------
    This is California's high risk pool for ONE person (me), as it exists today:

    Annual premium .............$16,800
    Deductible............................2,500
    Annual cost........................19,300

    Waiting period for pre-existing conditions
    ..............................1 year

    No wonder no one can buy this.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

    Well the HEALTH CARE SUMMIT IS OFFICIALLY OFF.


    MSNBC - HOCKEY GAME


    CNN Off - talking about polls

    Fox - Off

    CSPAN - THE SUMMIT IS NOT ON CPAN

    CSPAN2 THE SUMMIT IS NOT ON CPAN 2


    Obama is completely INCOMPETENT - if he could not make sure one channel covered this whole summit.

    WHAT A JOKE.

    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

    Today, the White House kicks off the Bipartisan Health Care Summit, which “may be the end of the beginning for health care reform.” Republicans have already declared that they would not bring new ideas to the table. They plan to reiterate their criticism of the existing Democratic legislation and speak in generalities about how the private market can lower health care costs and achieve “universal access.” While their poll-tested talking points may sound convincing, the ideas the Republicans are proposing actually shift all the costs and risks of insurance onto individuals and divide the market into low-cost plans for the young and healthy and high-cost insurance for the sick and older.

    Posted by: drindl
    ------------------------------------------
    Who do you shift the costs to?

    -A liberal is someone who will give you the shirt off someone else's back.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

    'THE ELECTION'S OVER'.... The discussions at the health care reform summit today have been broken up into sections. When Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) took a turn to speak, the subject at hand was supposed to be insurance reform.

    But McCain decided to skip the topic, and instead whine bitterly about process. He complained about not having enough transparency; he complained about things President Obama said during the campaign; and he complained about "unsavory" deal-making in the Senate.

    The president, appearing a little annoyed, explained, "We're not campaigning anymore. The election's over." Obama added that "we can spend the remainder of the time with our respective talking points going back and forth. We were supposed to be talking about insurance."

    When McCain, appearing even more acrimonious than usual, said, "The American people care about what we did and how we did it." The president replied, "They do care about it, John, and I think the way you characterized it would get some strong objections from the other side. We can have a debate about process or we can have a debate about how we help the American people at this point. And the latter debate is the one I think they care about a little bit more."

    It's been a consistent problem all morning. Obama has tried, repeatedly, to focus the discussion on substantive policy matters. Republicans have generally responded with talk about process, legislative mechanisms, and the number of pages in the bill.

    Knowing media outlets, this exchange will likely be one of the more talked-about developments of the morning (Obama vs. McCain will prove irresistible). And that's a shame, because the substance of this discussion matters infinitely more than the senator's resentment about losing an election.

    McCain, like his GOP colleagues, was given a chance to raise meaningful concerns and debate the policy in earnest. But whining is so much easier than governing, and talking points are easier to repeat than arguments about policy.

    For some, the election is never over.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

    Today, the White House kicks off the Bipartisan Health Care Summit, which “may be the end of the beginning for health care reform.” Republicans have already declared that they would not bring new ideas to the table. They plan to reiterate their criticism of the existing Democratic legislation and speak in generalities about how the private market can lower health care costs and achieve “universal access.” While their poll-tested talking points may sound convincing, the ideas the Republicans are proposing actually shift all the costs and risks of insurance onto individuals and divide the market into low-cost plans for the young and healthy and high-cost insurance for the sick and older.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

    zvelf


    Please don't say that Obama is "articulate" IT IS SO RACIST.


    Can you start to be serious ?

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

    zelf, the people on this thread who have been posting every two minutes for hours are not 'conservatives' so much as chronically unemployed/institutionalized.

    you can see why. ever see such an ignorant pool of whiners and losers?

    Posted by: drindl
    ------------------------------------------
    What's your field? Maybe I can help you obtain employment.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

    drindl writes:"I'm not sure which world the conservatives on this thread live in, but Obama's approval ratings are still higher than the GOP's and public polling still shows that Dems are more trusted than Republicans on dealing with most issues. I get the whining because Obama articulately disposes of every GOP argument in this summit, but get a grip."

    --oh really ? so why did repubs kick dems in NJ, Va and home of teddy K ...MA ??? Odumbo and Dem crew went to all three states to campaign and came up empty(yeah 3 strikes). Brown campaigned specifically as "the 41st vote to stop health care" and he won big.

    Posted by: snapplecat07 | February 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

    Go, Tom Harkin.

    Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 25, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

    Poor Barry-O. He still hasn't convinced anybody but the free lunch Dbaggers that his plans are great. If his plans were seen as great then no need for anything near reconciliation. Rham it home!

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

    "I'm not sure which world the conservatives on this thread live in, but Obama's approval ratings are still higher than the GOP's and public polling still shows that Dems are more trusted than Republicans on dealing with most issues. I get the whining because Obama articulately disposes of every GOP argument in this summit, but get a grip."

    zelf, the people on this thread who have been posting every two minutes for hours are not 'conservatives' so much as chronically unemployed/institutionalized.

    you can see why. ever see such an ignorant pool of whiners and losers?

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

    37th, you miss the liberal mentality, admittedly because it may not be in the usual trait of human decision making.

    when you have no idea what you are doing, and even your own people are against you, the only possible way out is, of course, you guessed it - a summit.

    that way you can pretend you tried, blame any result on others and eventually simply sweep the whole thing under the rug.

    Remember the beer summit. the climate summit. the sanctions on Iran summit? the jobs summit. Expect more and more summits as barry's extensive list of failures, (due to his ineptitude at everything but teleprompters), stacks up to the moon.

    Posted by: drivl | February 25, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

    Could you imagine a President Palin (ouch! ...fingers...cramping...) doing this? She not only does not know what the words mean, she is not aware that matters. At least Romney has an average vocabulary and a good general fund of knowledge. But I do wish we had Michael Steele in the room. He is much funnier than these people.

    Posted by: shrink2 | February 25, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

    Sticking to facts and pointing out lies really get to Mr. Cool.

    Posted by: leapin


    Indeed, it is the unravelling of everything he has "worked" for.

    Posted by: drivl | February 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

    They have got to get Barry a smoke break. If one is still allowed under the healthcare bill that is.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

    Obama made a mistake calling this summit. Sometimes you have to accept your losses and move on.

    Posted by: doof


    ____________________________________

    You have a really good point there - and it makes people wonder what Obama is up to.

    On one line of thought, Obama is trying to create a storyline that the Republicans are not being bipartisan, but Obama really is - and then use that as a justification.

    But the problem with that is the Obama really does not have the votes in the House with the moderate democrats, and the Senate reconcililation process is not going to do anything near what Obama wants.

    So, what is the purpose ? Obama is ego-driven - he thinks he is right - so he is going to try to show the American people how right he is - however it doesn't work that way in this political environment.

    If Obama believes that today is fulfilling his pledge during the campaign to be bipartisan, he is sadly mistaken. Obama is elected for 4 years - so he is obliged to be bipartisan for 4 years - not ONE DAY. If Obama believes that he should be President one day, and then resign.

    So what is the purpose of this whole thing ?


    All last year we saw a complete lack of leadership from Obama - he doesn't know what he is doing - and he doesn't really understand what it takes to get a complex bill through Congress.


    So, maybe that is the answer: Obama doesn't know what he is doing.

    However, Obama does have himself out on a limb somewhere and people are wondering if this is a real circus or not.


    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

    Boy, Sticking to facts and pointing out lies really get to Mr. Cool.

    Posted by: leapin | February 25, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

    I'm not sure which world the conservatives on this thread live in, but Obama's approval ratings are still higher than the GOP's and public polling still shows that Dems are more trusted than Republicans on dealing with most issues. I get the whining because Obama articulately disposes of every GOP argument in this summit, but get a grip.

    Posted by: zvelf | February 25, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

    Obama made a mistake calling this summit. Sometimes you have to accept your losses and move on.

    ==

    tell it to John McCain.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

    As we see, when poor mindless dribbl doesn't have yesterdays's cut and pastes, she has only insult and injury to offer.

    Is there any wonder why liberals are in the toilet with followers like this?

    ==

    this from the emotionally sick loser who posts nothing BUT pastes and insults 16 hours a day, 365 days a year.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

    Obama really should not interrupt the Republicans when they make their points.

    This is the problem - there really should have been a neutral moderator -

    Obama taking the stance that he deserves extra minutes - THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LISTENING SUMMIT.

    Obama has got to stop being rude - and he should avoid this back-and-forth.


    Does Obama want some constructive discussion or not ???

    EVERYONE IS SICK OF OBAMA SAYING ONE THING AND DOING ANOTHER - THE HYPOCRITE OBAMA.

    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

    Obama really has to lose the "testiness" when he is listening to the points of the other side - it really is disrespectful. AND it does not contribute to a compromise.

    For a guy who campaigned so much on bipartisanship, he really doesn't know how to compromise.

    It is amazing - you don't go in there and say "McCain - the campaign is over" - it just pisses people off.

    Well Obama, someday you are going to be OUT - and the country can't wait.

    Obama was really being RUDE.

    OBVIOUSLY OBAMA IS BEING A FRAUD TO HIS OWN SUMMIT - IF HE WANTS BIPARTISAN COMPROMISE THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.


    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

    It really is deceptive having Linda Douglas out there as an Obama spokesperson - this is really confusing as to whether she is speaking on behalf of the media which is supposed to be reporting in an unbiased way - or as as advocate for Obama.

    Sheis there as an advocate for Obama - it is WAY too deceptive and wrong.

    This is the kind of thing that Obama should NEVER EVER do - it is deceptive. Obama CAN NOT BE TRUSTED. He really can't.

    You have to watch him at every turn.

    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

    Fact check. Rates go up. Poor Barry. Needs his beloved prompter back.

    After lunch he will get noticably grumpier. Imagine the messiah having to put in six whole hours of real work in a year.

    Posted by: Moonbat | February 25, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

    As we see, when poor mindless dribbl doesn't have yesterdays's cut and pastes, she has only insult and injury to offer.

    Is there any wonder why liberals are in the toilet with followers like this?

    Posted by: drivl | February 25, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

    Obama made a mistake calling this summit. Sometimes you have to accept your losses and move on.

    Posted by: doof | February 25, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

    Pundits of both parties now fault Obama's style of governance. Public protests express disapproval over out-of-control federal spending and borrowing, and the idea of state-run health care.

    So fairly or not, it seems like a panicked President Obama is abruptly scrambling to do what he should have done over a year ago.

    But the problem is that a now jaded public believes that Obama is changing both course and tone not because he wants to for the country, but because he is forced to for his own survival.

    In other words, the "hope and change" of last year's messiah has devolved into this year's "whatever it takes" of a cynic.

    Posted by: drivl | February 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

    That the infighting is seriously under way was proved by a column in The Washington Post at the weekend, surely inspired, if not leaked, by Emanuel or his allies, arguing that Obama's mistake had been to ignore his top aide's advice on key issues, and that Emanuel was the one reason Obama's presidency hadn't already gone the way of Jimmy Carter's. When such pieces start appearing, you know a president's in trouble.

    But the person who probably needs to change is the boss. Events have proved Stevenson right, that reason and intelligence take you only so far in politics. Obama cannot be accused of masking the truth about America's financial and economic situation. Nor does he fail to make the case for sacrifice.

    But he rarely demands sacrifice directly. Take healthcare. To win agreement, Obama now proposes that a crucial revenue-raising provision, a tax on higher-end employer-sponsored schemes is now being deferred to 2018, long after he leaves office. Such moves only reinforce a feeling that this president is a soft touch.

    Which in turn suggests a second truth. When times are tough, successful leaders must not only be liked. They must also be feared. No one fears Obama, in part because he hasn't faced anyone down, least of all the Congress that is now supreme emblem of everything the public thinks is wrong with the system.

    Posted by: drivl | February 25, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

    37

    can you get a life? how difficult is that?


    oops, never mind. i can see how it would be.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

    Obama: "I don't count my time because I'm the President"


    THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A BIPARTISAN CONFERENCE,


    BRINGING THE TWO PARTIES TOGETHER.

    YOU SEE OBAMA IS MORE INTERESTED IN TALKING THAN LISTENING.


    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

    The democrats will not be able to find 50 senators willing to vote for health care. It's over.

    Posted by: doof | February 25, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

    drindl


    Can you just stop harrassing other posters? How difficult is that?


    .

    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

    There is a FUNDAMENTAL IMBALANCE here -


    The democrats drew up that 2400 page bill in closed doors - all the deals put together behind closed doors - even last weekend Obama was drafting his bill behind closed doors.

    HOWEVER, now the Republicans have to voice every objection one-by-one in front of the cameras - with the democratic comment coming right after - that is not a balanced approach.

    AND having the massive 2400 page democratic version the BASIS for discussion is NOT FAIR either.


    NO ONE would want to go into a negotiation in that way.


    Sorry Obama is being deceptive and partisan on this too.

    Obama can't get things done 100% his way - and we are sitting here with this attitude all the time.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

    will someone keep a running total of how many idiotic references to teleprompters there are on this thread?

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

    Sunlight's Contextual Content & Data Stream -- this is awesome. several livebloggers giving enriched content and background reference on what speakers at 'summit' are saying, plus background on who speakers top donors are. context!

    much more informative tha just watching. Eric Cantor has gotten $70K from Blue Cross alone.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

    Eric Cantor is killing me, perseveration with that nasal, hurt feelings inflection. Mr. Yuck emoticon.

    Posted by: shrink2 | February 25, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

    Lamar Alexander was great. Obama is totally ineffective without a teleprompter.

    Posted by: doof | February 25, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

    so does 37, shrink. how would you diagnose him, narccistic personality disorder? OCD? He's on here without a break from noon until about 2 am.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

    Shrink, I enjoyed the email you sent me. I didn't know the DSM was created for the purpose of interfacing with insurance. In the medical psychiatry class I took a few years ago, the professor described the profession as being like a witch doctor in a tribe. It's not the hardest, most substantiated medicine, but the witch doctor is still going to be your best option since he does kind of know what he's doing.

    Posted by: DDAWD | February 25, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

    Obama really has to avoid putting-down the Republicans - if he wants a constructive discussion -


    Obama has to respect the other side's objections.

    Obama can't appear to dig in his heels - and have the attitude "OOH you guys are doing something wrong."

    Obama was rude to cut off McCain the way he did - AND Obama was rude to say "The election is over"

    OK Obama, there is another election in eight months - and one in two years eight months.

    OK Obama - the attitude has got to stop - it is Obama's attitude which is HALTING all constructive progress - and then Obama is the one all upset after all that happens.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

    The election is never over, not for McCain and not for Obama. This goes back and forth between boring and ugly.

    Posted by: shrink2 | February 25, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

    drindl


    NO drindl - a 50-50 deal was available last spring - it really was.

    It would not have involved massive spending, or a massive government program, or massive taxes.


    It would have centered on health insurance regulation.

    That is the nature of compromise.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

    Unsavory deal-making - but I say that with respect.

    ---- Hilarious.

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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

    'There could have been a deal on health care'

    oh, you bet. all democrats had to do was bend over.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

    There is a major misunderstanding about reconciliation - Reconciliation is for BUDGET purposes ONLY - one can not pass a major legislation through reconciliation.

    When Harry Reid says the Republicans used Reconciliation 21 times - yea for the budget items - so Harry Reid is being HIGHLY DECEPTIVE.

    What would happen - is the Republicans would go through the bill - and say "Point of Order" - and strip out one-by-one every provision of the bill that did not fall directly under budgetary items of the federal budget.


    So all the insurance regulation - which is probably the area in which both parties agree the most - would be stripped out of the bill.

    What would be left is a mix-match of provisions which probably would make little sense. Because health care is so complex, there are many moving parts - so the legislation usually has to be written to balance various thing out - and many provisions counter-balance each other.

    So if the democrats believe they will use reconciliation, they are talking from a position in which they really do not understand what works and what doesn't under that.

    To repeat - many parts of health care - a patch requires some counter-balance provision to make the patch work as intended - if you take out one or the other provision, the system will not work as intended.

    Practically speaking, we have many democrats running around, saying "Let's screw the Republicans through Reconciliation" when they simply don't know the process - and again they are not supporting a bipartisan path which is essential to something like this.


    The bottom line is Obama's attitude has killed health insurance reform until after the 2012 election.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

    There could have been a deal on health care last spring - a 50-50 deal - however, the democrats at one point in the meeting said, "We have to remind the Republicans that we won the election and we are going to have everything our way."


    And the democrats stopped talking.


    That was the crucial point - last spring - it is simply too difficult after everything that has transpired - to negotiate a complex issue out - eight months out from an election.

    AND we have a situation over the past month in which - to be honest - the democrats have taken a hyper-partisan tact - and not moved toward compromise.

    The whole idea around the democratic party "we are going to screw the Republicans with health care - and that will bring us millions of votes at election time." - that does nothing toward a compromise or bipartisan cooperation because of course - the Republicans are going to not have a situation like that.


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    Posted by: 37thand0street | February 25, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

    Now I know why Obama ALWAYS uses a teleprompter. He's horrid when he has to ad lib.

    Posted by: antipc | February 25, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

    Drop the termer Twitter crap and the hack cliches and report the facts would you? Must you report politics like an argument between two girl cliques in the seventh grade?

    Shameless panderer. Sucking up to liars and thieves in exchange fir access. Gibber over Rasmussen and tpaw some more why don't you. And leave your infant out of your work.

    Posted by: Noacoler | February 25, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

    Obama corrects the record on what will happen to individual premiums under the Senate health care bill. Alexander says they will go up. CBO says otherwise. Obama says, explicitly that's "not factually accurate."

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

    The Republicans let Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) give the GOP's opening statement at today's health care summit. His opening bid? Democrats should scrap their entire plan and start from scratch. That's perfectly expected. But he also repeated the Republican line that Democrats are planning to jam "health care reform" through the majority-rules budget reconciliation process.

    That's not true.

    Democrats have already passed comprehensive legislation through regular order in both chambers. Two different bills What they're planning, tentatively, to do now is use reconciliation to make some minor changes to one of those bills.

    Though he once himself supported the comprehensive Wyden-Bennett approach to health care, Alexander now says Republicans favor a non-comprehensive approach.

    Posted by: drindl | February 25, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

    Tom Coburn's solutions? Cut fraud and tort reform.


    He says that it is an area where Dems and Rs can come together. Of course, that would require Rs voting for anything, which isn't going to happen.

    Posted by: DDAWD | February 25, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

    Poor Lamar Alexander. Guess what? Looks like Obama came prepared.

    Posted by: DDAWD | February 25, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse


    Should we have Health Reform or Insurance Reform? Vote

    http://www.youpolls.com/default.asp

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    Posted by: usadblake | February 25, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

    CC, Twitter is one of the corner stones or the downfall of legitimate political discourse in this country, and you shouldn't use it. Not all discussions can or should be broken down into 150 charecter tweets, and this is one of them.

    Posted by: AndyR3 | February 25, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

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