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White House memo argues health care support is increasing

A new polling memo from Joel Benenson, the White House's pollster of choice, argues that support for President Barack Obama's health care plan has been building in the wake of his State of the Union speech in late January.

Since February 1, according to data compiled by Benenson, 44 percent of those tested in national surveys support the bill while 45 percent oppose it -- a sea change from the 38 percent favor/52 percent oppose average of polls conducted in the three months prior.

That movement, argues Benenson, is born out of a continued desire from the American people for Congress to pass some sort of health care reform and broad popularity of some of the major measures contained in the bill.

He cites a recent Newsweek survey as evidence -- noting that 81 percent of those polled favor the creation of an insurance exchange and 76 percent support requiring business to cover pre-existing conditions.

The goal of the memo, which is being distributed on Capitol Hill today, is a) build some sense of momentum for the bill in advance of the White House's March 18 timetable for passage and b) convince wavering Democratic members that their best course of action politically is to pass the bill and move on.

(A counterpoint to Benenson: a Post op-ed by Democratic pollsters Doug Schoen and Pat Caddell arguing that the "battle for public opinion has been lost.")

To that end, Benenson notes that Obama remains a more trusted figure than Congressional Republicans on the issue citing, as evidence, a Gallup poll released earlier this month that showed 49 percent of the sample confident in Obama's ability to reform health care and just 32 percent saying the same of congressional Republicans.

It remains to be seen how the memo will land among the already jittery Democrats in the Senate and, particularly, the House.

While Benenson's numbers about the trend line of approval for the President's plan will be encouraging to nervous Democrats, even under his best case scenario the America public is deeply divided over whether the plan will work or not.

The White House has long argued that the best -- and they would say only -- option to avoid political destruction on health care is to have some sort of bill to take to the voters of their districts.

Republicans, on the other hand, are convinced that passing the bill is a political death sentence for Democrats as it would be done even amid signs that the public simply doesn't want it.

One side is right, one is wrong. On November 2, we'll find out which is which.

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 11, 2010; 1:20 PM ET
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Oh, please. If the Republicans TRULY believed that the health care reform bill would hurt Democrats this fall, the Republicans would stand back and let us pass it.

Instead, they've obstructed, obfuscated, and downright lied about it. They know it's a winner. They're scared. And they should be. If Obama gets his head out of his clouds of idealism about "bipartisanship" with a party which is so committed to party-before-country, he could really turn our decline around and do some serious nation-building. The Republicans are into personal-wealth-building and don't care squat about the 98% of the nation making less than $200K/year.

Posted by: ankhorite | March 14, 2010 4:42 AM | Report abuse

The henny-penny sky is falling op-ed of Schoen/Caddell is ridiculous. I don't know about Pat Caddell, but Doug Schoen has no credibility. He frequently is the "fair and balanced" Democratic voice on Shaun Hannity. The guy is still pissed that Obama beat Hillary, period, so he bends his analysis towards the worse case scenerio for the president. If you're a pollster, your credibility is everything. Schoen has none; he's merely a Republican Fox News shill in Democratic clothing.

Wherever the polls are, once the bill is passed and Americans see the benefits, they will approve as much as they approve Social Security and Medicare.

Democrats who are truly Democrats will vote for the health care bill. The very credibility of the Democratic Congress and president and their ability to lead are at stake. Many Democrats may lose in November, but what a way to go out! They will have done a great service for the Amercian people and kept their integrity. Two pretty strong reasons to vote Yes.

Posted by: tttvance | March 12, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Establishment GOP candidates across the country backed by the National Republican Senatorial Committee are struggling to gain grassroots traction over their primary challengers, with conservative darlings like Marco Rubio surging. It's a split illustrating the deep divisions in the Republican party as it seems Washington's establishment miscalculated who would be the better candidates from California to Florida.

Rubio is the best example, as Florida Gov. Charlie Crist's support - especially among Republicans - has plunged this year. That's one reason why NRSC Chairman John Cornyn is singing Rubio's praises and promising not to bash him despite backing Crist as the early favorite to win the open seat in the Sunshine State.

Sen. Jim DeMint's Senate Conservatives Fund has taken the lead to blatantly challenge Cornyn's candidates in California, Texas, Florida and Pennsylvania. After Republican divisions threw a wrench into the special election for New York's 23rd Congressional district last fall, the NRSC announced they wouldn't get involved in or spend money in these contested primaries.

"The rules have changed and the political ground has shifted under the feet of the establishment and they are still trying to get their footing," Mike Connolly of the conservative Club for Growth told me in an interview today. The group was backing outsider candidates before it was cool, encouraging contested primaries by running Pat Toomey (R-PA) against Sen. Arlen Specter in 2004.

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

No matter how they Lie, Spin, throw smoke screens.. The Only thing that GROWS is the OPPOSITION to the OBama care Idiocy.. Were it not TRUE why Deadlines to rush yet another Unread Bill Before Easter Break when all elected Officils have to face the Truth at Home??? More Scare Tatctics by the Axelrod Corner Propaganda Fascist Machine!!!

Posted by: redhawk2 | March 12, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

235 days until SWEET TUESDAY!!!!! The last line of the article states, "one side is right, one side is wrong". INDEED!! The right side is wrong and the left side is right. Right is wrong because they are
racists, and can't get past the fact that a man of color is our President, and will be for 3 more years. They also can see no further than November 2nd, and that is why they are wrong. Left is right because they have the vision to heal this country, not infect it with greed, deceit, and hatred,
and they reluctantly are becoming the cohesive , SANE, leaders we so desperately need. Right will not take their eyes off the "prize", they will trip and fall due to the blinders they all wear, while the
left will stay the course, remain aright, and tromp the right right into oblivion right where they belong. GO DEMS!!!!

Posted by: patriotgmalou | March 12, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, reason5.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 12, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I do not want this healthcare bill b/c I think it will make seeing my doctor harder and less likely. I think that this bill will increase all of our taxes, which I'm not interested in paying. We as Americans just cannot afford to allow the government to take more and more of our money. People, if the government controls our wealth they get to make decisions we should have the right to make. Without resources that we work for, we can't make those decisions. Those things are facts. The more programs that the gov't. extends to us, the more of our money they have to take to fund it. The gov't. is already way over it's head with social security, medicaid and medicare but want to count medicare funds twice on this healtcare budget. As for will this plan work the way the gov't. says. Does Amtrack? No. Does Social Security? No, we'll be in the red by 2023. Does Medicare and medicaid? No, it's breaking the system. We have to eventually change all 3 of these programs to prevent them from going bankrupt. We need not begin a new program that's going to cost even more when we do not have our financial house in order. The gov't can barely run the DMV and Amtrack, they don't need to run the hospital.

Posted by: reason5 | March 12, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by the fake 37:

"Broadwayjoe


STRAIGHT UP - take Obama's resume and give it to a white guy - Obama's exact same resume but a white guy - WOULD YOU HAVE SUPPORTED HIM FOR PRESIDENT ???"
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Absolutely.

BTW, if he were a pale male, Fox News wouldn't spend their entire broadcast day attacking him, Southern Congressmen wouldn't be yelling "you lie" during his speeches, rightwing justices wouldn't be making cartoon faces during the State of the Union, sociopaths wouldn't attend his events locked and loaded, and the opposition party wouldn't be openly saying it wishes him "to fail" and denying him even a single vote for any bill he cares about. Got that, pal. Thanks for coming.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 12, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

DDawd, such clarity at 0150! That explains the endless reposts from 37th and the Jaked(I'm a lawyer)2 king-of-my-world "Anyone else?" and even the stream of ever-ready nastiness that comes from zouk/moonbat/snowbama/drivl/doof. All three are Limbaugh tools of discourse.

Meanwhile, you and I are condescending.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 12, 2010 5:56 AM | Report abuse

"I can never quite figure him out. Not because of his political views, those seem straightforward conservative. What puzzles me is his strange reasoning. He sees no difference between assumptions, facts and opinion. They are all held with the same degree of certainty, which is clearly odd."

Well, it stems from the fact that conservatives are in the position of having to defend the indefensible. That's why the insist that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. That's why they talk about death panels.

The thing is that the people on here like zook, 37, jaked all think they are Rush Limbaugh and they can convince people by repeating the same nonsense over and over again. But people here are smarter than Limbaugh listeners. They pay attention to what's going on in the world. Everyone on here knows that the HCR bill was passed with a 60 vote supermajority, so that "ram down the throats" meme isn't going to fly here. People are just too educated.

But they want to emulate Rush and Hannity, so they keep trying.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Looks like 37th is about yo melt down.

Will we see a dozen blank lines before the ambulance arrives?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 1:28 AM
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I can never quite figure him out. Not because of his political views, those seem straightforward conservative. What puzzles me is his strange reasoning. He sees no difference between assumptions, facts and opinion. They are all held with the same degree of certainty, which is clearly odd.

Sometimes, I think 37th is pulling an elaborate gag on all of us, because he can't be for real. Then, he goes into his mantra gig and I think, no he is for real.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 12, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Looks like 37th is about yo melt down.

Will we see a dozen blank lines before the ambulance arrives?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 1:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure Democrats are sooo moved by the Republicans' concern over their electoral success. Who knew McConnell cared so much about maintaining the Democratic majority???

If Republicans really think HCR is such political poison, they let reconciliation go off without a hitch. It will be great. They will win huge majorities in the fall. Then once they take office, they can repeal the health care bill. Sure Obama will veto it, but Republicans will have the votes to override it. Then they can impeach six times making a Republican President.

But Republicans are sooo nice so they are giving the Dems a chance to maintain power.

All together now...

AWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD

TOMORROW'S POST - CADDELL AND SCHOEN.


For Democrats to begin turning around their political fortunes there has to be a frank acknowledgement that the comprehensive health-care initiative is a failure, regardless of whether it passes.


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Obama is a failure, regardless of whether the health care bill passes.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 12, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse


DDAWD What are you going to do when you realize Obama is a failure???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 12, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe what are you going to do when you realize Obama is a failure?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 12, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Um, the bill was passed with a supermajority. Although to hear the Republicans talk of this bill being rammed down stuff, I'm not sure they consider 60 votes a supermajority. What's the new supermajority number? 70? 100? 125?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse


There is blame to pass around.


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Yea, the democrats who were IRRESPONSIBLE with the country, and voted for an INEXPERIENCED EGOTIST to run the country.


They deserve blame, yes. And they should take personal responsibility.

However, Obama IS INCOMPETENT. And it is time the democrats accepted that. It is reality. Time to stop living in a fantasy world.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 12, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Noacoler at 11:38


We don't want the health care bill because we believe it will damage America and hurt the economy.

The bill is too expensive.

What part of that do you not understand? We know you are motivated by stupidity. Obama is motivated by his ego. We just don't want people like you damaging the country.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 12, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Not to aggravate you, but don't you think the Democrats could have carried this across the goal lines and gotten the final bill signed. It seems to me that they ran out of time with the public polls not being helpful.
==== Blame Bush, Blame the GOP, blame the polls, Fact is, they didn't do it. It's obvious they don't look at polls, or they would start over.

Posted by: armand_andris | March 12, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

They did.

Please try to keep up.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 12:18 AM
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Not to aggravate you, but don't you think the Democrats could have carried this across the goal lines and gotten the final bill signed. It seems to me that they ran out of time with the public polls not being helpful.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 12, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

it's not law!!!!
you need to keep up.

Posted by: armand_andris | March 12, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

If this bill is so great, why didn't the dems pass it when they had a super majority?

Posted by: armand_andris | March 12, 2010 12:13 AM
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An excellent point. They should have passed it. Instead, the Democrats, who were the only interested persons in the bill process, overly engineered it. The President should have taken a firm position at a much earlier date. There is blame to pass around.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 12, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

This democratic bill is so good that they have to buy democratic votes.
I wish I knew democratic math, how do you insure 30+ million people, give the insurance companies a 300 billion dollar bailout, buy votes, and still save money? LIES, LIES, LIES.

Posted by: armand_andris | March 12, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

They did.

Please try to keep up.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

If this bill is so great, why didn't the dems pass it when they had a super majority?

Posted by: armand_andris | March 12, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

It's said that one can recognize genius by the dunces arrayed against it.

Just look at the human garbage arrayed against healthcare reform; braying donkeys like Jim DeMint, Three-Chins McConnell, OrangeMan Boehner, SoreLoser McCain. And outside the Congress a bunch of white-haired paranoids with teabags hanging from their ears.

And in here: a bunch of unemployed and unintelligible freaks.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I think if you wanted to find a favorable comparison you could do a lit better than Republican economics. Beating GOP economics is faint praise, that's a really low bar.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah the GOP truly believes that passing HCR will ruin Obama's presidency and given them a ticket back to power.

That's why they're doing everything they can to block it.

You make a lot of sense, PissJug.

In Bizarro World, that is.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse


12BarBlues

What a difference in views - the House doesn't have the votes - sorry about that.

When the democrats turned their backs on the compromise negotiated with the Catholic Bishops, they did themselves in for no reason.

Nancy Pelosi said this is not an abortion bill - so why are they trying to change the abortion law???


Obama promised that the abortion law would not be changed - so why is there a change in even on draft, much less the version passed by the Senate ????

I feel like the mistakes were pretty easy to spot - Obama really must not know what he is doing to have fallen into this mess.

What a mess - if only the democrats knew what bad job Obama was going to do......


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

Today, the right uses Obamacare as an insult, but I hope the term Obamacare goes down in history books because it will be a great honor to the President.

Better than Hoovervilles, which described the homeless encampments in 1931.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty much over - Nancy and Steny Hoyer are going to be happy that Obama floated the March 18 date - so they have an excuse to pull the plug on the health care bill next week.

This latest round was really the greatest combination of arrogance and fantasy displayed outside of a mental institution in history.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Noa wrote: The passage of HCR will be heralded as a great achievement.
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Fifty years from now, the passage of the initial HCR bill will mark the moment in time when the country finally took control of its fiscal deficit and improved the lives of millions of Americans. We will be proud to have been a part of history, won't we. This is like the great and positive changes made by FDR.

Go, Democrats be brave and bold!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


STRAIGHT UP - take Obama's resume and give it to a white guy - Obama's exact same resume but a white guy - WOULD YOU HAVE SUPPORTED HIM FOR PRESIDENT ???


Straight up - then you supported him because he was black.


Surely Biden or Dodd had better resumes than Obama.

Yes, the job performance shows - Obama has no business in the position.


Straight Up - Same resume, but put it on a white guy - WOULD YOU HAVE SUPPORTED HIM FOR PRESIDENT ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Presidency just got taken down - mark this date: March 12, 2010

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

The passage of HCR will be heralded as a great achievement.  There will remain the fact of American unemployment but with HCR finally done that will move to the front of the agenda.  And HCR itself, what the trolls call "Obamacare," will itself be a massive jobs program.
Insurance companies no longer allowed to deny coverage, no longer allowed to drop patients who get sick, this is going to be unpopular?  Someone is on drugs.

The only people who will be outraged are the racists, conservative lunatics, and corporate suckups and they're going to vote for some caveman anyway so who cares.  And of course the paranoid teabaggers who'll be peeking out crevices in the venetian blinds every time they think they hear helicopter blades.  Let them rock back and forth and wet themselves.  And let the FBI round them up if they start sounding a little too serious.

Yeah, a great majority of Americans side with the health insurance companies who pay their executives billions.  Right.  Put down the glass dick, 37th.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

noa wrote: 37th, don't you know that BroadwayJoe is the Antichrist?

He's the one you need to worry about. Not Obama
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Let's not talk about any connection between BWJ and the White House, not that there is any, right?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT - JUST WHAT OBAMA WANTED - MORE FROM TOMORROW'S POST - CADDELL AND SCHOEN.

For Democrats to begin turning around their political fortunes there has to be a frank acknowledgement that the comprehensive health-care initiative is a failure, regardless of whether it passes.

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Translation : For democrats to turn around their political fortunes, they need a frank assessment that Obama is a failure, whether health care passes or not.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not zouk, you moron.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:04 PM
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Can you prove that? If not, you are out of control.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow's Post Caddell and Shoen:


The notion that once enactment is forced, the public will suddenly embrace health-care reform could not be further from the truth -- and is likely to become a rallying cry for disaffected Republicans, independents and, yes, Democrats.

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What happened ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm not zouk, you moron.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

37th, don't you know that BroadwayJoe is the Antichrist?

He's the one you need to worry about. Not Obama. BWJs evil essense permeates all matter and cannot be erased without destroying all spacetime. There are galaxies of advanced beings trying to hasten the Big Crunch in hopes of a new cosmos free of BroadwayJoe.

But not even that will work. You have NO IDEA what you're up against.

</sarcasm>

take a swig from your jug

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow's Post Caddell and Shoen:


"Never in our experience as pollsters can we recall such self-deluding misconstruction of survey data. "

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The democrats are out of control - it is unbelievable.

These people should not be allowed on the streets, much less be running the government.

broadwayjoe what did you do to this country?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah zouk I do think I'm smart. And I do t get confronted with a lot of counterevidence to raise doubts.

And you think you're clever. Does anyone else think so?

What you don't get is that people who read your posts are shocked and repelled by the depth of your malevolence. You're not just a hater, you're clearly sick, very sick, consumed by it, twisted and bent by it. You think anyone would want to live in your head? You think anyone believes it's fun being you?

You're gonna die of an early hemmorhage. Nobody will be at the funeral, nobody will miss you.

Here Lies King_Of_Zouk. He hated just about everybody and thought he was clever. And other than calling strangers vicious names, your effect in the world you leave behind will be less than that of a mayfly who didn't find a mate.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


When are you leaving the country ???


Vietnam just announced that it is cutting all its internet ties with the rest of the world.

You did know that, didn't you ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Fake Polls do not translate into Real Voters.

Deal with the reality of the unpopularity of this destructive and ineffective legislation.

Pay attention to election loss after election loss after election loss in the wake of this debate.

Posted by: Washington13 | March 11, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler, chúc may mắn với ngôi nhà mới của bạn.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 10:20 PM
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I know 37th. I'm a friend of 37th. You, sir, are no 37th. Love, Suzy

[sighs of relief from all present]

Attribution: Translation by 12Bar

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Good night all. 12BB, hope I didn't hurt your feelings too much. You can get even with me some other time.
Hope to see everyone again Saturday afternoon. Got a brand new snowboard and I'm really anxious to try it this weekend.

Noacoler, chúc may mắn với ngôi nhà mới của bạn.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


STRAIGHT UP - take Obama's resume and give it to a white guy - Obama's exact same resume but a white guy - WOULD YOU HAVE SUPPORTED HIM FOR PRESIDENT ???


Straight up - then you supported him because he was black.


Surely Biden or Dodd had better resumes than Obama.

Yes, the job performance shows - Obama has no business in the position.


Straight Up - Same resume, but put it on a white guy - WOULD YOU HAVE SUPPORTED HIM FOR PRESIDENT ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Who's "we," 37th? You and The Voices?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Spoke six languages and thought nothing of it.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 10:11 PM


Neither did anyone else.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

miroj1


The health care plan CAN be reversed - you can rest assured.


FIRST the government agencies have to be funded to implement it -


ANY HOUSE of Congress can refuse to fund those agencies and boards.

Yea, it might be messy - but even if some parts of the programs start up, they can be stopped.

Even if there is something in the bill that says that Congress can't change it - Congress can do it anyway - who is going to stop Congress.


Obama is going to go down in history as a cross between Hoover and James Buchanan - just making a bad situation worse.


There will be graduate papers written just to explain people like broadwayjoe - who blindly follow a person who is clearly inexperienced and clearly does not know what he is doing.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

@12: Español es una lingua muy facile.  Lo puedes apprender en tres o quatro semanas.

Andereweise, Deutsche ist etwas schwerer, man braucht vier oder funf Jahren fließend zu werden.  Das bin ich schon.

Found myself speaking Russian with a tester from Ukraine at work last night and it's been 43 years.  Came FLOODING back.

My ex was from Malaysia.  Spoke six languages and thought nothing of it.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Funny story on myself: I always think I almost speak Spanish and understand it pretty well. So, I'm in Mexico and really understanding this Mexican guy. Wow--I didn't realize I really do understand Spanish. Finally I notice he's speaking English. Bwahaha! Guess I have a way to go.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 10:03 PM


So..., did you accept a date with him or not?? There's always Mr Cillizza's server room guy, if the Mexican didn't work out.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

So one has to ask the question, "why is such a smart man committing political suicide for himself and his party?".

...He doesn't have a clue in regards to medical plan specifics...

Posted by: miroj1 | March 11, 2010 10:03 PM


miroj1, you answered your own question - "He doesn't have a clue"

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

By the way, were you flirting with me the other day?

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:52 PM
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Well, big boy, what do you think? [coy look]

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


Sounds like you are ready to go - we can't wait to see you leave the country !

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

37th, when you're saying that Obama was editor of HLR because of affirmative action there is nothing at false in calling you a racist, quite the contrary, you're as bad as it gets.

No wonder you live in the dark with a piss jug and the stench of months of untossed garbage. Your family had done all they can to forget you exist. Or maybe you're one of those guys who grew to adulthood in an orphanage. Unwanted and alone.

It's not ever going to get better. Do yourself a favor: eat a bullet.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

Congratulations on the Vietnamese. I know you've put in years learning it.

Funny story on myself: I always think I almost speak Spanish and understand it pretty well. So, I'm in Mexico and really understanding this Mexican guy. Wow--I didn't realize I really do understand Spanish. Finally I notice he's speaking English. Bwahaha! Guess I have a way to go.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Showed them photos of my new house, they know the city I'll be living in. What a blast.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 9:55 PM


Noacoler, JakeD easily beats your house with his yacht. It's much larger and has just about everything, even a lawn, believe it or not. Check it out.

http://www.funnypictures.net.au/images/houseboats-3-lawn1.jpg

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

So one has to ask the question, "why is such a smart man committing political suicide for himself and his party?".

This health care program is designed to be irreversible and Obama is really pushing ideaology, not healthcare reform. People have to realize that Obama doesn't even have specifics made out on this plan. He doesn't have a clue in regards to medical plan specifics, he just wants the socialism and the power.

Posted by: miroj1 | March 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


STRAIGHT UP - take Obama's resume and give it to a white guy - Obama's exact same resume but a white guy - WOULD YOU HAVE SUPPORTED HIM FOR PRESIDENT ???

Straight up - then you supported him because he was black.

Surely Biden or Dodd had better resumes than Obama.


Yes, the job performance shows - Obama has no business in the position.

Straight Up - Same resume, but put it on a white guy - WOULD YOU HAVE SUPPORTED HIM FOR PRESIDENT ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have any comments on these 14 potential Congressmen who might switch from no to yes ??? I don't think it's going to happen.


It is just too difficult.


Especially when there are 17 democrats who really want to switch from yes to no - and are just looking for an easy way to do it.

When the democrats turned their backs on the Stupak amendment, it really was bad.

Why did the democrats negotiate a whole compromise with the Catholic Bishops and not have everyone on board - to the point that the compromise would be in the Senate bill ???


It seems like they went back on the deal.

It seems like the democrats wanted to sucker the Bishops in, get the headlines that the Bishops endorsed the health care bill - and then when it came to the democrats upholding their side of the compromise, the democrats went back on their word.

THAT IS OFFENSIVE.


This bill may go down on just that.

In addition to all the lies and broken campaign commitments of Obama.

You can blame Obama for this mess -

O-nation picked the wrong guy.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

...who the hell is benenson, or whatever his name is, and who gives a damn.....as long as Pontius Pelosi and Rambo Reid have anything to do with saving Obama's legacy....is there another reason for the crap we are being put through?......methinks the public is waking up and emailing every elected official to dump this big piece of garbage........

Posted by: connyankee1 | March 11, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

...who the hell is benenson, or whatever his name is, and who gives a damn.....as long as Pontius Pelosi and Rambo Reid have anything to do with saving Obama's legacy....is there another reason for the crap we are being put through?......methinks the public is waking up and emailing every elected official to dump this big piece of garbage........

Posted by: connyankee1 | March 11, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar: It was obvious from the first. Vietnamese is like Cantonese in the use of "measure words," which are like articles e.g. "an" and "the" but there are hundreds of them. You don't say "a house," you say "one [the] house" where the [one] is either a generic MW or the one specific to houses. Everything has measure words. Animals, children, furniture, clothes, servings.

It'd be like someone trying to fake knowledge of English and writing "Did you your homework?" No translator is going to manage the superfluous extra "to do." Any native speaker would spot that right away. Same for Suzy and leapin with Vietnamese.

I just came back from dinner, had phở gà (the rice noodle soup with chicken). One guy at the restaurant hadn't seen me in a few months, he was shocked at my command of he language now. When last he heard me he was cocking his head "huh?" when I spoke, now he says I've really got it, my tones are perfect and the words I know are enough for real conversation. It's hell-on fun feeling SUCH a foreign language awakening in my head. Showed them photos of my new house, they know the city I'll be living in. What a blast.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

@Suzy,

You should not be making threats. But if you are, post your address and I promise to show up and let Titus have his way with my octaves (which I'll admit are not very good).

Who needs Hanon when you have Titus?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 9:45 PM


Titus is not concerned with your piano skills or improving them. Stick to your Hanon Exercise manual for that. Is there a Vietnamese translation? Send it to Noacoler.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Suzy was NOT making a threat - what is wrong with you????


For the democrats who get so nasty on this blog, 12barblues don't complain.


By the way, were you flirting with me the other day?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Suzy

Thank you for your kindness - I normally ignore the cruelty of the democrats on this blog.


Many times I prefer not to start a nasty exchange, because it only brings the whole conversation down.


And it is distracting from the main purpose of this blog - to expose the lying hypocrite Obama.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

If there was a Congressman who already voted no for the health care bill, why would that person go and ruin a good thing ? Meaning that Congressman is not going to have 30 second attack ads against them.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Ped thinks he's really smart.

He's not.

There is no one who can stand him who is willing to be around him to tell him.

Hence the constant presence here.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 11, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

@Suzy,

You should not be making threats. But if you are, post your address and I promise to show up and let Titus have his way with my octaves (which I'll admit are not very good).

Who needs Hanon when you have Titus?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


When you have nothing else to say, you go to your false charges of racism.

Why don't you call your pal Rev. Wright, with his white values and black values.


And how Rev. Wright thinks that the brains of black children are different from the brains of white children.

Then remember your pal Obama went to Rev. Wright for years.


And Obama brought his children there to listen to Rev. Wright for years.

OK broadwayjoe WHO IS THE REAL RACIST ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

I assume that Suzy was trying to cozy up to you with her knowledge of Vietnamese. True? I was pretty impressed with her one liner, until...until...until we found out she's using a dictionary.

Oh, the letdown is tremendous. Who can you trust these days anyway.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

And there you have it. Suzy-what's-her-cup is a friend to 37th. Friend to the friendless. Goes to show you never know, doesn't it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 9:34 PM

Hello, 12BB. My German Shepherd, Titus, is still waiting to meet you. He guarantees to raise your voice a few octaves before the meeting is over. I hear that in your case, only one small bite is all it would take. You can try your laugh again afterward.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The track "Man's Son" by Phallus Dei, lyrics by Charles Manson, has to be one of the absolute best songs of all time and all cultures.

(whispered) "infinity"

that is all. Carry on.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

The danger of dictionaries, Suzy. "Có một bia" would mean to possess a beer; the imperative you meant, "have a beer" would be "có một lý bia đi." The đi at the end would mean "go" were it the V in an SVO statement, but at the end it makes the imperative. No dictionary would tell you that, and no online translator is going to know you meant the imperative. And you would probably prepend something like "xin vui lòng," meaning "please with happy heart," because an imperative is harsh enough in this extraordinarily polite language to merit a softening. It's not only polite for the usual Confucian reasons but also because just about any man over 14 over there can kick your head clean off.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 9:29 PM

Does anybody understand this? I'll stick to a dictionary. By the way Noacoler, your barrista của bạn là một idiot.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

@broadway joe,

And there you have it. Suzy-what's-her-cup is a friend to 37th. Friend to the friendless. Goes to show you never know, doesn't it.

Anyone else?

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Achievements:

Most cars hit by rocks thrown from a highway overpass

Winner, 2007 watermelon seed spitting contest

Friends: None who admit to it

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 11, 2010 9:16 PM


Not so fast, broadwayjoe. First of all, don't go down the watermelon path again. Please! Secondly, we use snowballs here in Mass instead of rocks. Thirdly, I am a friend. ✓✓✓

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The danger of dictionaries, Suzy. "Có một bia" would mean to possess a beer; the imperative you meant, "have a beer" would be "có một lý bia đi." The đi at the end would mean "go" were it the V in an SVO statement, but at the end it makes the imperative. No dictionary would tell you that, and no online translator is going to know you meant the imperative. And you would probably prepend something like "xin vui lòng," meaning "please with happy heart," because an imperative is harsh enough in this extraordinarily polite language to merit a softening. It's not only polite for the usual Confucian reasons but also because just about any man over 14 over there can kick your head clean off.


Anyway. Jake has already been kicked off the list because he's worn out that birther crap a thousand times over and he thinks it's fun to be a pest. That kind of fun seems to be a quintessentially American thing. One of the main reasons I'm leaving this free market sh*thole. One of.

My barrista who once thought Sarah Palin was a nice person now thinks she's a loathsome and despicable woman, and with no help from me.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Friends: None who admit to it
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No, WE are his friends. Uh, sorry, same thing.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Being 37...

Date of Birth: Who cares

Place of Birth: Whatever

Residence: Mom's basement

Schoolin': Action Comics

Achievements:

Most cars hit by rocks thrown from a highway overpass

Winner, 2007 watermelon seed spitting contest

Party affiliation: Tea Bag Party

Friends: None who admit to it

Job: Posting all day on an anti-BHO blog sponsored by the Washington Post and redeeming smashed soda cans at Piggly Wiggly twice a week

Last book read: a match book

Favorite movie: "Birth of a Nation," Director's Cut

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 11, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

JakeD should be tied to a post and horsewhipped.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 9:04 PM


Thư giãn, Noacoler. Có một bia. Jaked là một chàng đẹp.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

You just keep teeing it up, don't you. And WHY are you here? It certainly isn't for your debating skills. When you don't like the turn of the debate, you swerve into crazy Obama-as-Kenyan.

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you really have to wonder what trauma could leave a person so stunningly immature. As though the mere act of referring
to the president by his legtitimate title is justification for bringing up this idiotic psychotic conspiracy yet again, as though there could possibly be ANY F UCKING POINT WHATSOF UCKINGEVER for mentioning g it again.

The only point is to be an intolerable pest.

JakeD should be tied to a post and horsewhipped. To death.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

37, your white sheet is showing. How do you explain to the cleaners why you always have two holes poked in them?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 11, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

After looking at the numbers - it comes down to this: realistically there are 14 potential votes for Nancy who voted no last time who could vote yes.


Well.....

Those people are "free and clear" and are basically stepping in front of a subway train by doing that.

Having said that Stupak has 7 votes plus maybe 4 more. In addition, there are 17 other democrats who would like to vote no.

So any combination of 15 total additional no votes ends this thing - it becomes mathematically impossible -


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Broad____joe


Obama getting to be head of Harvard Law Review was just another affirmative action program gone bad - wouldn't it be great if we had a black in that position?

So many people want to show how they are not racist, by voting for a black.

But isn't it racist to vote for someone BECAUSE of the color of their skin???

Anyone who did that completely failed the nation by NOT evaluating the strengths of the candidates properly.

That's what it comes down to - the truth.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Mr Cillizza writes, "He cites a recent Newsweek survey as evidence -- noting that 81 percent of those polled favor the creation of an insurance exchange..."

Mr Cillizza, not that I don't believe you, but did you mean to write the "the cremation of an insurance exchange..." instead of "creation..." If I were polled, that would be my answer.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

IMO, he is like the Natural.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 11, 2010 8:19 PM

Broadwayjoe, your opinions are starting to rival Rahm Emanuel's. Yes, Obama "coulda been a contender," blah, blah, blah. Think twice. He never had it in him. From POTUS to COOTUS (Community Organizer of the US) in 2012. For sure!

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi told reporters today (referring to the health care bill), "We have a pretty good idea of where we are going on it..."


Yes, we do too, Nancy. Nowhere!

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 11, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

IMO, he is like the Natural. Had the chance to be the best there ever was. Pass health care, close Gitmo, get out of Iraq. Get out of Afghanistan. Take care of global warming. Restore the Fairness Doctrine. Case closed, greatness assured.

But somehow he got sidetracked by the DC insiders, Blow-der World, who told him to triangulate and compromise. There's still time to turn this around, but it's running out.

BTW, 37, you were President of the Harvard Law Review in what year? And your last two best selling, NYT-listed books were...?
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@37: as best I can tell, there's a split of opinion--so you can probably say Candyman in the mirror three OR five times in order for...Well, you'll see after you do it. All the best.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 11, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2


Yea - I agree. These numbers are really interesting - the first group - the 14 - they are already "free and clear" they don't have to worry about 30-second attack ads in the fall because they didn't vote for the bill the first time.

Then there is the second group - 17 - who voted yes the first time. Nancy has to hold all of them. Those are the ones who really want to vote no to maximize their election chances in the fall. Those are difficult votes.


If some of the 17 drop out, then Nancy has to make them up out of the 14.

Plus the Stupak 7 may expand to 11 - and those would have to come out of the 14.

Those 14 are already "free and clear" - they don't have to worry.

Stupak really places MORE democrats on the line in the fall - because those votes have to be made up from those who voted no.

PLUS again Nancy has to hold the 17.


My feeling is there are ALOT more than those 17, but they want to hold the party together - but they would rather vote no.


If they decided they were going to lose, and decided to hold a vote anyway (just to give the democrats a chance to vote no) I doubt Nancy would get 150 votes for this bill.

And I want to say it will be closer to 100.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

So broad___joe


your O-nation is basically coming to the conclusion that it was a BAD idea to elect such an inexperienced person ???


your O-nation has concluded that Obama doesn't know what he is doing???

your O-nation thinks that Obama should have learned some thing about how Washington works - by maybe staying in the Senate for a few terms before running for higher office ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

37thand0street:

I was talking about your whip count: "It is pretty easy to see, if 8 more are added to the Stupak 7, then Nancy is going to need to flip 15 and that doesn't appear possible."

Hopefully, it is not possible to flip 15.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse


broad____joe writes: still time for "Let Obama Be Obama"

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Joe makes it seem like there is something noble about "being Obama"


As if Obama has some track record, which he doesn't.

Obama hasn't done anything in any job he has held in his whole life.

"Let Obama be Obama" - means that Obama looks for the next affirmative action program to go into.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

test

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


That posting is really, really hilarious - who came up with this one ???


You think Hillary can save the democrats now ??? Everyone wants the democrats out.

So you want Obama to be INCOMPETENT FOR FOUR YEARS, MAKE ALL THE MISTAKES, GO BACK ON ALL HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISES, and then have Hillary take the hit in 2012 ???


What a joke.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The return of HRC?

At ground zero (but outside Drudge/Fix World and the Twilight Zone) and throughout O-Nation, we are starting to hear the whispers. Just whistlin' in the wind so far. But there are signs:

The Post today did a sprawling multipage puff piece on HRC, celebrating Hillaryland, the top Hillarians (Cheryl Mills, Maggie Williams, et al.), and all things Hillary...You could not have paid for this kind of positive pub.

Many in O-Nation believe O should decline to run for a second term and clear the way for HRC and her nuclear powered, pants-suited, grievance-powered energy. And set the stage for the installation of HRC's vast government in exile, collectively known as the Hillarians. Many of them are hiding out in the State Department Building.

You think HRC wouldn't have gotten health care by now if she had had a 60 vote majority? You think HRC would allowed Fox News run what amounts to a day long attack against her Administration as BHO has done? Any question the Fairness Doctrine would have been the first order of business? You think Alito would have dared to make cartoon faces at Hillary at HER State of the Union? Not a chance.

What's more, it's kinda embarrassing the upper echelon of Hillaryland is far more diverse than the BHO's Administration. Anyway this is what O-Nation is saying.

The DC thinking is, in 2012, BHO will lose to any normal pale male GOPer who can pose as a moderate, see, e.g., Scott Brown, Bob McDonnell. (They still predict Phalin to lose 44 states if she is the nominee.) So the Elders may call on the Hillary Rodham Clinton, hero/survivor of the Bosnia sniper attack, to save the day.

Still time for "Let Obama Be Obama" but, sadly, time's running out...

They've had about ten chances to get the health care bill done but so far gotten nowhere. O-Nation ain't happy.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 11, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer might be happy with Obama giving them a March 18 deadline for passing health care reform - it gives them a chance to "pull the plug" on the whole operation - especially if the vote getting gets rough.


Also, Nancy is not going to be happy with the attitude of the Senate.

The Senate democrats are basically trying to leverage their position right now - they don't really have to do anything - and committing to a reconciliation process - what if it falls apart ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

According to these whip counts - Stupak puts Nancy back 7 votes - plus there are another 4 which could join Stupak.


So Nancy has to make up 11 votes.

From there, there are 14 members who voted no in the fall and who might switch.


Coming from the other direction, there are 17 additional members who voted yes and who have NOT committed to going yes again, and might go no.

So if 10 of them decide to go to a no vote, it is really over.

OR if Nancy can not flip enough of the 14 - then it is really over.

It is extremely close.


Right now the votes are not there - not with Stupak who is standing on the abortion issue.


The 17 democrats are the ones who have diffcult re-election bids ahead of them - and really - why should they vote yes?

The 14 democrats who ALREADY voted no - that is a tough tough group - who already voted no, may be able to dodge the worst of the attack ads because they already voted no - and now they put themselves into the line of fire in the fall.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2


What are you talking about at 7:03


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

37thand0street:

Hopefully not (regardless of what polling results show).

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line on the health care count is that the democrats have been going backwards - Stupak and crew means they have lost 7 votes.


Realistically, there appears to be only 14 democrats who MIGHT switch from no to yes.

So, if 8 of those democrats become a "FIRM NO" it seems to be over.

IN ADDITION, there are 21 democrats who have not committed to another yes vote - 4 of whom may be with Stupak. 17 also really do not want to vote yes, but for now are maybes.

So add those 4 in - and you have a Stupak 11 which is probably closer to the real case - and in that situation you need to flip 11 of the 14.


If any of those 17 say they want to vote no - then Nancy has to go closer in the 14.


This task - with the high stakes of a high-profile vote which could mean the difference to re-election efforts in the fall - seems extremely difficult.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Re: White House memo argues health care support is increasing: "... according to a recent CNN poll, they oppose Obamacare nearly 3 to 1. I am with them ..."

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

The whip count I mentioned in the earlier post - has the democrats at 189 yes votes.

That means they need 27 more votes.

However, they have lost 7 votes from the yes votes they had before - which means of the 38 no votes from before - they need to flip 7 of them.


In addition to those 7 they need to KEEP 20 votes which they are NOT sure of right now.

They need to hold who they have - but 4 potentials could join Stupak - and 17 other democrats really would rather vote no.


They are also trying to assess their chances of getting the democrats to go to a yes vote - They have 14 prospects - and 5 additional who are less likely to switch.


So they have 14 prospects to switch - they need to pick up 7 of them - (plus hold all the rest) -


If they lose anyone else, realistically they have a pool of 14 to make up any difference.

The numbers are extremely tight - and remember these are members who are extremely concerned about their re-election prospects - and they don't want to be caught on camera hugging Obama - so Obama offering to campaign in their districts is not going to be any help.

OK - out of a pool of 14, Nancy has to switch at least 7 - AND if she loses any others, she has to get them from the 14.

It is pretty easy to see, if 8 more are added to the Stupak 7, then Nancy is going to need to flip 15 and that doesn't appear possible.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

And you think it is highly significant that the President's second cousin once removed opposes the HCR? And what exactly is the great significance of this? I don't quite get your point.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Washington Times publishes anti-health care reform op-ed by "Obama's second cousin once removed."

March 11, 2010 6:33 am ET by Media Matters staff

From Dr. Milton R. Wolf's March 11 Washington Times op-ed:

Imagine if, like physicians, politicians were personally held to the incredibly high level of scrutiny that includes civil and financial liability for any unintended consequence of their decisions. Imagine if they were forced to spend tens of thousands of dollars each year on malpractice insurance and still faced the threat of multimillion-dollar lawsuits with every single decision they made. If so, a government takeover of health care would be the furthest thing from their minds.

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I have personally trained and practiced in both the government-run and free-market segments of American medicine. The difference is vast. Patients see this for themselves, and this may be why, according to a recent CNN poll, they oppose Obamacare nearly 3 to 1. I am with them. It is difficult for me to speak publicly against the president on his central issue, but too much is at stake.

I wish my cousin Barack the greatest of success in office. But I feel duty-bound to rise in opposition to Obamacare. I must take a stand for my patients, my profession and, ultimately, my country. The problems caused by government will not be solved by growing government. Now that this new era of big-government takeovers has spread to our health care system, it's not just our freedoms or our wallets that are at stake. It's our lives.

Dr. Milton R. Wolf is a radiologist in Kansas. He is Barack Obama's second cousin once removed. President Obama's great-great grandfather, Thomas Creekmore McCurry, is Dr. Wolf's great-grandfather. Dr. Wolf's mother, Anna Margaret McCurry, was five years older than Mr. Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham. The two were childhood friends until the Dunhams moved from Kansas to Seattle in 1955.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Brainy:

If the alternative of "doing nothing" means that U.S. healthcare spending reaches 19.5% of GDP by 2017, but passing Obamacare means it is over 20% of GDP by 2017, would you agree that "doing nothing" is better?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

GJonahJameson:

I'm not here to make it easy for you.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 6:25 PM
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You just keep teeing it up, don't you. And WHY are you here? It certainly isn't for your debating skills. When you don't like the turn of the debate, you swerve into crazy Obama-as-Kenyan.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

One count of the House members on health care has the democrats losing 7 votes on account of the abortion provisions - which puts them at 209 (needing 216)


Well


The problem with that is for every one member of Stupak's group voting no - Nancy Pelosi has to switch one person who previously voted no. Of those, there are 38 democrats.


If Stupak really has 20 members in his group, 20 of the 38 have to switch.


Another count has the democrats only at 189 Yes votes - which means they need 27 more votes - meaning 27 out of the 38 - and I think that is the most realistic approach to looking at these numbers.

The other approach also assumes that Pelosi is keeping all her previous yes votes.


The democrats have to review all their previous yes votes - because many of those votes want to switch to no.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

GJonahJameson:

I'm not here to make it easy for you.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Not as expensive as the the alternative of doing nothing. It will pay for itself. Unfortunatly the GOP talking point of tax cuts has just added to the deficit since 1980. This bill will at least be deficit neutral per the CBO. Stop watching Fox news or reading Ayn Rand.

Posted by: Brainny | March 11, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Brainny


The Obama bill is too expensive - do you understand that ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The White House has also started with the wrongs arguments for reform and need to pass this bill for teh sake of 45,000 people who die because of no healthcare, 40 million without and because morally it is thr right thing to do.

Posted by: Brainny | March 11, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter


You have no idea what you are talking about, do you realize that ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

this healthcare bill is better than what the Grand Obstructionist Party has in store. As a liberal not happy with this bill, it is better than what we have now, which is a crappy system which I know from experience with myself and people that I serve with my job. People need to look at the big picture, not their own selfish interests because we are all in this together.

Posted by: Brainny | March 11, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter


You seem to trust lobbyists - but they are employed by the same corporate boardrooms

So would you rather have the boardrooms offering health care to their workers.

Or have those boardrooms hire lobbyists - who then cut great deals for themselves, which have the "stamp of approval of the government" on their decisions.


The democrats have a fundamental misunderstanding on how new federal health care boards are going to work.

You see the average person being taken care of.

I see the lobbyists making sure big business is taken care of - and the average person never knowing what hit them - or ever having a chance to get their interests looked after.


Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

This whole health care debate is out of control

No one knows what the additional powers are being granted to the government -

Decisions are going to be made in Washington - with lobbyists running around - if you think the average person's interests are better off that way, you are sadly mistaken.

Case closed.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 5:27 PM

Look HCR does concern me greatly. I am a family man with two kids. My brother works construction and pays for his own healthcare because his boss/company does not provide it.

I will flip things a bit.

"Decisions are going to be made in Corporate Board rooms - with accountants running around - if you think the average person's interests are better off that way, you are sadly mistaken."

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 11, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter

My posting was about the Senate - your link was about the House.

Talk about misleading -

You claim that the wording on the other post was misleading- however you are the one doing the misleading today.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 5:13 PM

Will the House reconciliation bill and the Senate be the same?

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 11, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

So really, your response had nothing to do with the substance of anything I wrote -- you just wanted to point out that you think "president" is the wrong word to use to describe President Obama.

You're not making it easy to be optimistic that you weren't baiting me, here.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | March 11, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The point is - there is a divide - between those who are expecting to get something in the form of government hand-outs and those who are being expected to pay for it.

Fine.

However, many of those who think they are going to get something, really are not going to - and that is going to erode support for the democrats when everyone realizes what is really going to happen.

Posted by: 37thand0street

But that is the nature of taxation. I pay taxes. A portion goes to education or transportation. Some of that money gets sent down state to other schools systems (schools my kids will never attend) and to repair roads I will never drive on.

So I will pay taxes to help fund HC and should the day arrive when I need to be in the plan it will be available to me.

Now will it deliver what is promised is another thing and where the real danger for the Dems reside.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 11, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

This whole health care debate is out of control

No one knows what the additional powers are being granted to the government -

Decisions are going to be made in Washington - with lobbyists running around - if you think the average person's interests are better off that way, you are sadly mistaken.


Case closed.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I bet 80% of Americans oppose health care reform that will make seeing their doctor harder than it already is. I bet even more oppose having to see a clinic worker instead of their doctor. Yet that's what this reform promises--30-45 million more people trying to see the same number of doctors.

That's the dirty secret that Pelosi, Reid, and Obama know but don't discuss. They don't care about making health care better, they want their pet-project passed at any cost.

Posted by: Fletch_F_Fletch | March 11, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter

My posting was about the Senate - your link was about the House.

Talk about misleading -

You claim that the wording on the other post was misleading- however you are the one doing the misleading today.


Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Ipsos/McClatchy poll the other day. Only 40% approved of the health reform bills. They asked the opponents why. Something like 40 percent of them said that the bills didn't go far enough.

So, two-thirds want these bills or, like me, even more than what's provided. Wow, a super-majority actually want health reform.

Posted by: chi-town | March 11, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

GJonahJameson:

Your 4:32 PM post complained about "calling President Obama a monkey". YOU used the title "PRESIDENT" not me.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The point is - there is a divide - between those who are expecting to get something in the form of government hand-outs and those who are being expected to pay for it.

Fine.


However, many of those who think they are going to get something, really are not going to - and that is going to erode support for the democrats when everyone realizes what is really going to happen.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I have to know, JakeD -- which of the two points I made had anything to do with whether President Obama is legally president? The one about the aim of the White House poll, or the one about this post possibly being linked from Drudge? I know this is a pet topic of yours, but I have a tough time seeing the connection, unless you're trying, for no discernable reason, to once again reignite the same argument that's been played out on this blog for the last year and a half.

I like to think of myself as an optimist, so I won't make any assumptions about your motives. But in the unlikely case that that was your motive, I'll ask you nicely not to bait me.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | March 11, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Healthcare is 18% of GDP thew GOVt is 20% and growing.. which one needs reform?

Posted by: tbastian | March 11, 2010 4:53 PM

Both?

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 11, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Healthcare is 18% of GDP thew GOVt is 20% and growing.. which one needs reform?

Posted by: tbastian | March 11, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS

The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled that Obama MUST sign the Senate health care bill into law BEFORE the Senate can take up the reconciliation bill.

So, forget it folks.

Posted by: 37thand0street

I wonder what this is all about.

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/Reconciliation_starts_Monday_.html?showall

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 11, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Then - of those who are NOT expecting to get government assistance - ask them if they are willing to pay more taxes for those who are going to be on Obama's plan.

Simple.

Posted by: 37thand0street

and misleading you must be a republican pollster. But that is your point. You want a specific response and you worded the question that way. Simple.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 11, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

calling President Obama a monkey, or the reply to the prior post wishing for his death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
dribbl made her living (so to speak) off of that exact same vernacular when Bush was president. Why has the situation changed?

I think I know. Libs have their racism radar on high gain, anything to avoid confronting any of their losing issues when they could just as easily shut down a conversation with hollow accusations.

Where liberals offended by Dan Rather's watermelon crack? why not? Is watermelon and all of its associated fruits now a dirty word? How about Ribs? Bacon? apples? Monkey but not gorilla?

Can you Libs please publish a list of all "off limits" words in the english language. It is so hard to keep up with the PC mentality and frequent renaming.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW: March 18th is ONE WEEK from today.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

GJonahJameson:

That's assuming that Obama is even legally President of the United States.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Deadline #1

During his inaugural address, Obama pledged to make health care reform one of his top domestic agenda items. It was also a campaign promise he wanted to uphold.

In February 2009, Obama called on Democrats to begin crafting a health care reform bill that would allow millions more Americans to get health care insurance -- and cut down on some of the controversial industry practices.

"The cost of health care has weighed down our economy and our conscience long enough. So let there be no doubt, health care reform cannot wait, it must not wait, and it will not wait another year," Obama said.

Top Democrats soon got to work. As summer approached, Obama pushed members of the House and Senate to pass their respective versions of a bill by Congress' August recess.

In a news conference July 22, the pResident said the deadline was set because of the messages he received from Americans.

"I'm rushed because I get letters every day from families that are being clobbered by health care costs," he said. "If you don't set deadlines in this town, things don't happen. The default position is inertia."

Deadline #2

But in an interview with PBS's Jim Lehrer, Obama admitted that if something was close to being done and would not make the deadline, it could "spill over by a few days or a week."

Deadline #3

After the August deadline passed, the Obama administration kicked into high gear, taking greater control of the bill's direction. The pResident indicated that he wanted a final bill passed by the end of the year.

By January, the pResident admitted that he had run into a health care reform "buzz saw."

"Here's the good news: We've gotten pretty far down the road. But I've got to admit we've had a little bit of a buzz saw this week," Obama said January 10 at Lorain County Community College near Cleveland, Ohio.

Obama detailed some of the problems that slowed down the process, including "running headlong into special interests and armies of lobbyists and partisan politics that's aimed at exploiting fears instead of getting things done."

Another problem: Democrats losing their supermajority in the Senate after the GOP upset in the Massachusetts special election to fill the late Sen. Ted Kennedy's seat. Republican Scott Brown beat Democrat Martha Coakley to become the 51st Republican senator. Brown, who campaigned against the Democrats' health care plan, has repeatedly said he will vote against a final bill.

Deadline #4

After presenting his health care reform plan, Obama has called for a final up or down vote in Congress within the next few weeks. Last week, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said he expects the House to approve the Senate bill by March 18, when the president heads overseas.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer pushed back against that deadline, saying, "none of us has mentioned the 18th other than Mr. Gibbs."

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm as skeptical as the next person about the reliability of a poll commissioned by the White House on a project being pushed by the White House. But I suspect, as I think Chris does, that this poll really isn't intended for me. It's intended for on-the-fence legislators to convince them that public opinion on health care reform isn't as negative as they've been led to believe. And although I'm sure most of them won't buy it, really, only a few need to be convinced at this point. Nothing gets a politician up on his feet and in a karate stance like a threat to his re-election; that's been used to scare them away from health care reform, and the White House is trying to scare them back. Sort of.

Drudge link today? That would explain a lot. Like the reply to this post calling President Obama a monkey, or the reply to the prior post wishing for his death. Any of y'all spot that one? I kind of expected some angry response to it, but maybe the regulars 'round these parts opted not to waste their time on someone who'll probably never show up here again.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | March 11, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Ped, when you confront people in air conditioned gyms, especially in the shower, do you put on a dress like Norman Bates, or do you go al fresco, like Rahm?

when you tickle a man, do you stop when he cries uncle or do you wait until four of his friends jump on your back?

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

POLLS


I would like to see a break-down on the polls into these categories


Those who have health insurance now -

Those on Medicare


Those on Mediaid


Those with no health insurance.

Of those with no health insurance - do you expect to get government assistance under Obama's health care plane

Of those with health insurance - ask the same question do you expect to get government assistance under Obama's healht care plan


Then break-out the approval/disapproval of Obama's plan in those groups.


Then - of those who are NOT expecting to get government assistance - ask them if they are willing to pay more taxes for those who are going to be on Obama's plan.


Simple.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

See you later, shrink2.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Even a cocker spaniel could distinguish an expression of exasperation from a commitment.

But Jake can't.

Dumb racist b astard

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Some say all psychiatrists are quacks.
So many times *real* doctors have told me I am "the first sane psychiatrist" they have met. They are probably just trying to make me feel better about my career choice. Speaking of which, gotta go. Enjoy.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

KoolKat changed her name from Loud and Dumb once the accuracy of the moniker set in.

this cretin was removed from the gang of stooges for excess idiocy. On this blog that is a very low bar indeed.

you will note the limit of a one line post, the sign of an empty skull,replete with insult ONLY, along with the pervasive use of the term Ace and numbnuts for no obvious reason.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS


The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled that Obama MUST sign the Senate health care bill into law BEFORE the Senate can take up the reconciliation bill.

So, forget it folks.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

koolkat_1960:

You promised to never post here again. You're less than nothing.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

shrink may be a quack

that is not a joke.

would anyone want this loon leading them toward mental health?

I suppose if his patients were absolute pathological lifers and wards of the state like dribbl and Ped, then what further harm could occur?

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

dottydo might be psychotic

Disclaimer: That was a just a joke.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The Preppers hoarding to "go on vacation" enmasse as 99.99% of America are not interested in giving Obamacare a dime, or anymore time.

They move towards a full blown NO CONFIDENCE DEPRESSION.

Impeach Obama is now a solid Mantra on every street in the USA.

Posted by: dottydo | March 11, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

time for Nancy to get out that pole vault.

We must pass the bill so we can find out what's in it.

More blabbering from the Worst speaker ever.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"Because it is the right thing to do. On occasion, pols operate like that."

"Everything doesn't always come down to just the next election day."

You two stop piling on!
I'm laughing so hard,
I can't breathe!

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON – House leaders have concluded they cannot change a divisive abortion provision in President Barack Obama's health care bill and will try to pass the sweeping legislation without the support of ardent anti-abortion Democrats.

you mean to say that Joe Wilson was right and Barry is a liar?

thought so!

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS


The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled that Obama MUST sign the Senate health care bill into law BEFORE the Senate can take up the reconciliation bill.

So, forget it folks.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

If it's not Nancy threatening Dems on the floor, it's Rahm making naked threats in the lockeroom. If they had the votes, they would be voting in the House today.

Posted by: kenpasadena | March 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Loud and dumb is mesmerized by the wisdom of simple simon.

last week he followed a moth for several hours.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Freakin lap dog - take off your rose colored glasses and start looking at the actions of politicians rather than than repeating the junk they told you. In highschool I bet you voted for the candidate that promised longer lunches and no more homework. Obama has done absolutley none of what you say he has, although he does consistently take the credit you are willing to throw him.

Posted by: Holla26 | March 11, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Ace, bsimon is one of the best posters on here. You're nothing.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 11, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Because it is the right thing to do. On occasion, pols operate like that.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

If the GOP is truly "convinced" that passing HCR will be suicide for Democrats, why are they fighting so hard to stop them?

Posted by: NMP1 | March 11, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow and people complain that Rasmussen is biased. Let's find another pollster besides Benenson who is bullish on Obamacare numbers.
How can health care be looking up when Gallup shows Obama at his job approval low (http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx).

Posted by: tobetv | March 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Dance with the one that brung ya:

WASHINGTON - Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has obtained documents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) detailing federal investigations into the alleged corrupt activities of Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). The documents reference serious allegations of corruption and voter registration fraud by ACORN as well as the Obama administration's decision to shut down a criminal investigation without filing criminal charges.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????"


If you don't know, why are you against the bill?


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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 11, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Dealing with the Bush antics has been hard on every single one of us. We can be "recessed" and angry or "recessed" and effective.

Posted by: hoser3 | March 11, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

reheiler says the Republicans are sacrificing political advantage in order to do the right thing for America.

I have been trying to be funny all day and here comes this guy outta nowhere and brings down the house. I got coffee (Petes of course) all over the keyboard, through my nose!

Imagine, Republicans sacrificing themselves, just for us...stop it, now I know what Massa felt like...I can't breathe!

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

At the rate Armey is paying off today's trolls he might want to consider fertilizing the "grassroots". If Dick runs out of gold and silver then his "employees" will actually have a LEGITIMATE reason for being angry (and the good guys will have a bunch of new converts to the "let's actually get something done" squad). Dick; bucks are more important than issues so don't miss payday.

Posted by: hoser3 | March 11, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh now all of a sudden we are supposed to care what the American people think?

When Cheney was informed 2/3 of Americans did not think the Iraq war was "worth it" he said "So?"

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=323016&

Reid's letter to McConnell.

It's kind of long, so I'll paraphrase.

"We're going through with reconciliation, so go f uck yourself."

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

russoruss said:

"If Republicans are so convinced that passing the bill is a political death sentence, then why are they fighting so hard to oppose it, knowing that its passage would help them pick up seats in November?"
How about because they also know that once passed, this horrible legislation will be hard to repeal, especially over an Obama veto of the repealing bill. And they also know that it will permanently change the relationship between citizen and government, and put us on a glide path to becoming a social-democratic Eurosclerocracy. Everything doesn't alwasy come down to just the next election day.

Posted by: reheiler | March 11, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Another lie from the teleprompter-reading monkey. What's new about this?

Posted by: mgrantham2 | March 11, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse


The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


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SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama voter, I am dissappointed that the free ice cream I was promised has not shown up yet.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"...you voted for the candidate that promised longer lunches and no more homework."

Awesome! Dude, that is Sweeet!

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have had 15 years, since blocking Clinton's reform plans, to come up with a plan to reform how we handle health care in this country. They did nothing. In that time the cost of health insurance galloped forward, swallowing more of our GDP every year and covering fewer citizens.

Now the GOP tells us they just want to go back to the beginning and negotiate a good plan. That's all they want. The plan the Democrats have put together incorporates several GOP proposals and is markedly similar to the plan proposed by Republicans in 1994. The CBO says it will cut the deficit. The Republicans do not want to reform anything. Just as they thought the economy was fine, they think the health insurance business is fine.

Last year and again this year, more people dropped health insurance as the cost of premiums rose. More people were dropped from insurance because they were unprofitable to insure. Other people lost coverage when they became unemployed.

This is a tide that only knows how to rise, and in the coming years it will touch more and more people -- those in the lower middle-class, those who are self-employed, those who are are too young for medicare but have been forced into retirement or long unemployment. We, each of us, already know good, hardworking people who are in these situations. How long until that tide reaches our own family? That is why we need reform now.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 11, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


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SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

All polls are subject to interpretation - sadly, neither political party has been particularly intelligent/fair about their use of polls or statistics. So unless you have a graduate degree and years of experience in policy and statistics(like me), please don't say one poll is better than another. There are polls that suggest Obama is doing well and others that don't. The gist is that they're all pretty bad - even the ones I conduct.

What IS important is whether our gov't is doing anything at all. There are problems with HC, which the American people generally do agree on, so I applaud any effort to change the current status - even if HC turns out worse. The truth is HCR is so unbelievably complicated that it would be absurd to assume that even the experts know what affect the current HCR plan will really have long term on the economy or healthcare system. We know the current HC system sucks, so why not try something new? If the new one sucks, then I expect the govt to fix that one eventually as well. We'll never get anywhere if we just sit on our hands...

Posted by: jav2j | March 11, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"How's about that deficit? The U.S. has set all-time spending deficits today."

Depends on how you measure, I think. The bill for WWII & the Great Depression created a mountain of debt. But guess what - with a progressive tax code and the can-do spirit of American ingenuity, we were able to come out of that with an enormous middle class, and economic & technological growth & leadership that was the envy of the world for many years. The President is trying to recreate that sense of urgency and innovation in this country, that can-do spirit that inspires citizens to work together to solve common problems. Instead, some people are determined to thwart his efforts at every turn. When he extends a hand to work together, it gets bitten. But he still tries to bring American together, he tries to move beyond the unhelpful attitudes of us vs them, and he tries to solve the problems that we're collectively facing.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 11, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

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Freakin lap dog - take off your rose colored glasses and start looking at the actions of politicians rather than than repeating the junk they told you. In highschool I bet you voted for the candidate that promised longer lunches and no more homework. Obama has done absolutley none of what you say he has, although he does consistently take the credit you are willing to throw him.

Posted by: Holla26 | March 11, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

russoruss,
you know they know,
tain't necessarily so.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Huh. Speaking of the deficit, Ezra Klein has a post on a new CBO report on the Senate Bill. Here's a blurb from Klein quoting the report & a link to the CBO:

http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=488

"Most striking is that "CBO expects that the legislation would generate a reduction in the federal budgetary commitment to health care during the decade following 2019," which is to say that this bill will cover 30 million people but the cost controls will, within a decade or so, leave us spending less on health care than if we'd done nothing."


Wow. It covers 30 million more people than doing nothing, at a lower cost. Why do the deficit hawks oppose this?


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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 11, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Eek! CBO says that Senate Bill cuts deficits!

http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=488

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

If Republicans are so convinced that passing the bill is a political death sentence, then why are they fighting so hard to oppose it, knowing that its passage would help them pick up seats in November?

Posted by: russoruss | March 11, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"How's about that deficit? The U.S. has set all-time spending deficits today."

Depends on how you measure, I think. The bill for WWII & the Great Depression created a mountain of debt. But guess what - with a progressive tax code and the can-do spirit of American ingenuity, we were able to come out of that with an enormous middle class, and economic & technological growth & leadership that was the envy of the world for many years. The President is trying to recreate that sense of urgency and innovation in this country, that can-do spirit that inspires citizens to work together to solve common problems. Instead, some people are determined to thwart his efforts at every turn. When he extends a hand to work together, it gets bitten. But he still tries to bring American together, he tries to move beyond the unhelpful attitudes of us vs them, and he tries to solve the problems that we're collectively facing.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 11, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama's health care plan will make it illegal for any health care provider to deny you coverage for pre-existing condition, and to cancel your coverage when you get sick.

Starting immediately.

FACT.

Posted by: paul65 | March 11, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Bush to cheny:

If only I could get some idiots to blow up a few things, I could start a few wars.

you liberals are mindless.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Bush came into office facing huge spending surpluses created by Clinton, and he blew them by starting 2 wars and massively cutting taxes for the super rich. That's the main reason our country's in debt today.

Meanwhile, Obama's health care plan will REDUCE wasteful government spending over $1.1 trillion.

FACT.

Posted by: paul65 | March 11, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The White house should be showing the polls that show of the people who don't like the healthcare plan 35% of them feel that the current plan doesn't go far enough. Also they have already passed a plan and have already taken the political ramifications that come with that plan. They might as well get the law out of it too.

And if the Democrats lose in November it won't be becuase of HCR it will be because unemployment hasn't turned around enough yet. And on that same note if they don't get creamed in November it will be because the unemployment numbers have gotten significantly better. The house should go ahead and pass HCR and move it off the top of the heap so they can actually do something else for a few months before the election season really picks up pace.

And if Eric Cantor is so sure that this will lead to the downfall of the democrats than so be it, at least we will have started to fix healthcare. Let the GOP run on the platform that they will rescind HCR and see where that gets them.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 11, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama's pollster of choice. Lying, cheating, thieving administration.

How's about that deficit? The U.S. has set all-time spending deficits today.

Representative Culberson says this of Obama's and Dems lies:

“You’ve spent more money in less time than any administration in history, you have driven the deficits to unprecedented levels, and you’re trying to sell a bill of goods to the country claiming that you’re going to create the mother of all entitlements, insure 30 million more Americans, and we’re going to save you money,” he continued. “Nobody believes that.”

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 11, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama says "Healthcare support is increasing" but we all know it is only in his mind. We are left speechless in amazement.

Posted by: greatgran1 | March 11, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Sure,sure here sissy Chrissy yep you betcha
"Support For Obamacare Is Growing" says the
totally out of touch with reality,psychotic
Marxist Dictator fromm Kenya Barack Obama!
..So,now lying loser Chrissy honestly try
to explain why according to the Thursday
March 11,2010 Rasmussen Poll shows us,that
523% Oppose Passage of Obamacare and only
42% Approve of it will you lying Chrissy?..
And then explain to us why Rasmussen Poll
also shows 42% Strongly Disapprove of Obama's Job Preformane and only 14% Strongly Approve or a Minus 18 here now?..
WAPO needs to rename itself ObamaPost!

Posted by: sandy5274 | March 11, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Sure,sure here sissy Chrissy yep you betcha
"Support For Obamacare Is Growing" says the
totally out of touch with reality,psychotic
Marxist Dictator fromm Kenya Barack Obama!
..So,now lying loser Chrissy honestly try
to explain why according to the Thursday
March 11,2010 Rasmussen Poll shows us,that
523% Oppose Passage of Obamacare and only
42% Approve of it will you lying Chrissy?..
And then explain to us why Rasmussen Poll
also shows 42% Strongly Disapprove of Obama's Job Preformane and only 14% Strongly Approve or a Minus 18 here now?..
WAPO needs to rename itself ObamaPost!

Posted by: sandy5274 | March 11, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Please, there is no such drama.

The Republicans already scored a political death sentence based upon their performance in power (Tpaw said so)and look, they are right back in it after accomplishing nothing whatsoever. The Ds need to take the long view; in a pinch, staying with the White House is usually a good idea.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

If the GOP take back the House and Senate, you won't be thinking this election didn't matter ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

When all else fails, lie.

It's not like lying is something liberals aren't accustomed to.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse


Is the GOP misleading seniors on the effect of Health Care Reform on Medicare? Poll


http://www.youpolls.com/default.asp

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Posted by: usadblake | March 11, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

what the point of citing the polls if support is a still not even a plurality, let alone a majority, let alone a strong majority?

Posted by: dummypants | March 11, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Nonsense, the elections that matter are in 2012, 2016 and so on.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

We'll find out all right.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

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