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White voters could hold Democrats fate in their hands in November

The Fix is off today. But, here's our Monday Fix newspaper column. Enjoy!

To become the nation's first black president, Barack Obama not only won heavy percentages of the black and Hispanic vote but also managed to trim the Democratic Party's traditional deficit among white voters.

Four years after Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) lost the white vote by 17 percentage points, Obama lost it by 12, according to exit polls. While the 2008 gains were generally attributed to Obama's strength with young voters -- he won by 10 points among whites 18 to 29 years old -- he managed to improve on Kerry's showing with white voters across every age demographic.

Fast-forward to today. With the November midterm elections less than four months away, Obama's standing among white voters has sunk -- leading some party strategists to fret that the president's erosion -- and the party's -- could adversely affect Democrats' chances of holding on to their House and Senate majorities.

"Since in the past House elections white voters tended to represent the independent vote, [the midterms] will surely be devastating for Democrats running in an election that will be a referendum on the Obama agenda," predicted one senior Democratic operative who closely tracks House races.

In Washington Post-ABC polling, Obama's approval rating among white voters has dropped from better than 60 percent to just above 40 percent. In a June poll, 46 percent of white voters under age 40 approved of how Obama was doing, compared with just 39 percent of whites 65 and older.

The latest NBC-Wall Street Journal poll reveals that Obama's standing among white voters is remarkably similar to that of President George W. Bush at this same time two years ago.

In the June 2008 NBC-WSJ survey, 37 percent of white men and 26 percent of white women approved of the job Bush was doing. In the June 2010 poll, an identical 37 percent of white men approved of Obama's handling of his job, as did 35 percent of white women.

Those numbers are all the more striking when viewed against overall perceptions of the two presidents. In June 2008, just 28 percent approved of the job Bush was doing while a whopping 66 percent disapproved. Obama, by contrast, is running far stronger with the nation as a whole, with ratings of 45 percent approval and 48 percent disapproval in last month's NBC-WSJ survey.

Context, as always in politics, matters here. First, as noted above, Republican presidents tend to far outperform Democratic ones among white voters. Second, Obama's sweeping win -- his 365 electoral votes represented victories even in Republican-friendly states such as Indiana -- meant that his numbers were bound to fall among whites (and nearly everyone else) once he began the task of governing. Third, Bush's numbers were bolstered by whites in the South (42 percent approval in the 2008 NBC-WSJ survey) while Obama's is hurt by them (29 percent approval).

Still, Obama's numbers among white voters have some Democratic strategists with an eye on the fall elections decidedly nervous.

One senior strategist, speaking candidly about his concerns on the condition of anonymity, noted that white voters made up 79 percent of the 2006 midterm electorate, while they made up 74 percent of the 2008 vote. If the white percentage returns to its 2006 level, that means there will be 3 million more white voters than if it stayed at its 2008 levels. That scenario, said the source, "would generate massive losses" for House and Senate Democrats in November because of Obama's standing with that demographic.

To avoid such losses, the Democratic National Committee has committed to spending tens of millions of dollars to re-create (or come somewhere near re-creating) the 2008 election model, in which Democrats relied heavily on higher-than-normal turnout from young people and strong support from African American and Hispanic voters.

The DNC's plan is ambitious, to say the least: In the space of a few months, the strategists hope to change the composition of a midterm electorate that, if history is any guide, tends to be older and whiter than in a presidential-election year. Put that way, it sounds crazy -- and it has drawn considerable skepticism from independent observers.

But given the reality that white voters -- again -- almost certainly hold the key to Obama's and the Democrats' chances in the fall, they would be even crazier not to try.

By Chris Cillizza  |  July 5, 2010; 9:21 AM ET
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Barrack Hussein Obama is a racist and a Marxist cockroach.

This pretty much puts everything in its proper perspective.

Posted by: HostileKnowledge | July 7, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Unbelievable! Don't ypou posters KNOW that the subsidies/tax write-offs given to BIG OIL by the GOBP is what is killing our country? All these tax write-offs and subsidies means that the only ones paying the bills in this country are the middle class: Y-O-U. And YOU ARE BROKE. American companies will hire NONE of you...not while they can hire Mexicans and Chinese and Hondurans for one hundred dollars a month in their overseas sweatshops. So go ahead, geniuses...great idea: put the corporate party back in power. There must be SOMETHING of value you've got left after Bush/Cheney cleaned out your 401k's back in 2008. Duh.

Posted by: blosmurph | July 6, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

There's two choices in the fall: 1. Stay the course and beat back corporate influenceby Big Oil and Big Banks or 2. Give the power back to them so they can poison our waters and raid our bank accounts. We all heard GOP Barton apologizing to BP for Americans inconveniencing them in the Gulf and we KNOW Bush left us hanging from the edge of a financial cliff in October of 2008, right before the November election. We can either go back to THAT or we can wade through the muck, slow, but sure, with this president who says he's going to go the hard road and slog on with us. As for me, if that bunch of whining, complaining, oil-apologist, Wall Street-huggers gets back into power this country will be officially dead. There will BE no more America.

Posted by: blosmurph | July 6, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

So non-whites will not be voting then? is it only whites in 2010? you liberals and your race based CRAP! it was whites that gave the Democrats a shot along with all other races and they BLEW IT! they promised to STOP the spending that Republicans were out of control on and then proceeded to spend 100X MORE and so no matter the color of the voter in the booth they will be voting to STOP THE SPENDING that the addicts in DC seem to not understand!

Posted by: Jaded2 | July 6, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

kOLOR DON'T mATTER WHEN YA GOTCHA seLLSFS A WALKIN taLkin NEOCOM STATIST IN wASHMINGTON!!!!

Posted by: leapin | July 6, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

What is truly amazing is that the nation's minorities are the ones who are suffering most (economically) under this regime... and yet identity politics compells them to vote for this man...

Posted by: Guarapari | July 6, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

What is truly amazing is that the nation's minorities are the ones who are suffering most (economically) under this regime... and yet identity politics compells them to vote for this man...

Posted by: Guarapari | July 6, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"Aside from cut-and-pastes, this is just typical from Drindl. What a case.

Posted by: Brigade"

Lol. the pot calling the kettle black. Schizo.

Posted by: drindl | July 6, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think articles like this are highly suggestive. With America's history of racism, all fair people need to thread lightly in what they write and say. Long ago Americans were taught to hold negative opinions of blacks and it is never more evident than with the Presidency of Mr. Obama.
It does not matter if President Obama is re-elected, we will learn in time what a great President he was and what brought him down and that would be racism.

Posted by: thelma1 | July 6, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

The key to the November elections will be minority turnout. While Obama captured some of the white vote during the last election, as evidenced through your own article, non-minorities at large cannot be counted on to support the President during this next election.

Posted by: ruthella10 | July 6, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

That's because Obama doesn't drop his Gs and say "ain't."

I prefer an educated president to a guy illiterates feel like havin' thesselves a beer with.

About time voters got used to the idea of politicians being smarter than they is an' looked it.

Noacolar
Literate

Posted by: Noacoler | July 6, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Note to future candidates--do NOT refer to voters as "bitter, gun clingers". Note to Democrats--if a candidate is appealing to "latte liberals" and young liberals, then that means he is most likely repelling older white working class voters. Guess what...liberals will NEVER vote for a Republican, but older white working class voters will vote for Republicans.

Obama NEVER connected with white working class voters, the polls from 2008 indicate that that group of voters only backed him after Lehman collapsed--Obama was losing in a year that should have been an easy win for Democrats. Last to get on...first to get off--not invested in Obama.

Posted by: porterhouse1 | July 6, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Jake enjoyed the attention he got from being vile. When nobody bit at his routines -- we all know them -- he'd come up with something really vile to say and stick a winky emoticon after it: if there's one person in my online experience I'd like to see stalked and terrorized, it'd be him. Too bad zouk is booked with drindl.

Really, BB, a decent fellow? Wanna take back that move?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 6, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

JD2 is a vile person. I must have missed the decency when he was calling for the execution of the gay members of the military.
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That is the way I remember JakeD. If he had better qualities, I didn't detect them either. I thought Jake was a caricature of a bad lawyer joke.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 6, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

JD2 actually trolled Weigel's blog while it was still up. He's out of place on Klein's blog. One problem is that people on there tend not to interact with each other as much as on here. Also, people are smarter on there and don't get baited to his moronic trolling.

Even the conservatives on there are smart, relatively speaking. While they are wrong on just about everything, they aren't like Brigade or 37th who basically sound like Hannity clones.

JD2 is a vile person. I must have missed the decency when he was calling for the execution of the gay members of the military.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

The real problems in this country


unemployment

the budget deficits - both federal and state


the oil spill


terrorism

ON EVERY issue, Obama has made the situation WORSE, not better.

We have crazy boycotters on this blog - and they have all missed the point - this nation is FAR WORSE OFF TODAY THAN THE DAY OBAMA TOOK OFFICE.


Obama became OBSESSED with his health care plan - however this plan has become NOTHING BUT A DRAG ON HIRING.

Companies do NOT want to hire when they don't know the health costs of the people they have working now, much less add to that.

AND why should a company hire someone here in the US - when that company can easily sidestep OBAMA'S CRAZY TAXES AND RULES by hiring someone in ANOTHER COUNTRY.


Obama's health care plan IS DRIVING JOBS OVERSEAS.

Obama has NOT helped any of the major issues facing this country - to the contrary, Obama's policies and distractions have made EVERYTHING WORSE.


And the democrats on this blog are representative of the democrats as a whole - completely distracted with small issues - and sort of obsessed with the Tea Party - and calling the Tea Party sexual slurs.


We don't have a focus from the democrats on ANYTHING THAT IS IMPORTANT.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 6, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Noacoler


You haven't made any point in over a year

All you do is shoot off your hostility

Really - everyone has told you to stop

You have fantasies that everyone around you is a drug addict.

Maybe you are just looking in the mirror.


And the definition of "everyone" is NOT some lame PARTISAN LYNCH MOB.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 6, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

37th, you're boring and stupid. Shut up about boycotts, murder in Chicago, reverse racism, and go away. Nobody cares about thus junk, you're too dumb to make a coherent point, everyone wants you gone.

Why don't you switch to mainlining ... in an artery. Stupid junkie.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is the fix boycotters can dish it out, but they can't take it


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I think Jake's a decent enough person who has time and a few obsessions. Unfortunately, he couldn't be bothered to put together an argument. Unless he was drawing a tenuous legal conclusion. Hence, the parallel I drew with Brigade.

==

See, this is where you and I severely part company, I don't think there is ant such thing in your world
As a *bad* person.

Jake celebrated Teddy Kennedy's cancer, he cheered at his death, expressed glee when John Murtha died, wished me death under orthopedic anesthesia. Jake is absolutely exemplary of an all around rotten human being, someone who should be cremated in a tire fire lest whatever he carries in his veins is transferrable to nematodes.

Honestly, BB, I think you would see the good side of Dick Cheney or John Wayne Gacy. Charitable is one thing. You're another.

That he could call out to you and Mark for support, and get it, kept him here when he
might have left sooner, to the detriment of discussion here.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


Well the boycott is still on - but some of the boycotters came back to disrupt the discussion about ridiculous topics.

We have the Siskle and Evert Movie review by 12 bar

- the militia fear-mongering by broadwayjoe


- and ddawd jumped on the sterotyping and prejudice ranting against rednecks

However - at times there was constructive conversation

The key is to stop the leftists from disrupting the conversation with their mocking and crazy topics

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

It's a big country. Drop three hundred million people on any bell curve you can name and you'll find a few oddballs out in the standard deviation boonies. Doesn't prove a goddamn thing.

______________________________

Yes - these were the signs that everyone is using to indict the entire Tea Party movement - millions of people.


And yet - all the democrats screaming about signs in parks and militias in the woods -


All that doesn't help any of the 13 people shot in Chicago last night - 3 of them dead.

Just pointing out that the democrats in charge - they do NOT focus in on the real problems - they just play more politics.


The democrats are unfit to govern - they have proven this time and time again.

But with the FRAUDS of Obama - all the empty promises - the oil spill is still GUSHING, the deficits are still high

The unemployed are still out of work

And the democrats have OTHER PRIORITIES.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

It's a big country. Drop three hundred million people on any bell curve you can name and you'll find a few oddballs out in the standard deviation boonies. Doesn't prove a goddamn thing.

______________________________

Yes - these were the signs that everyone is using to indict the entire Tea Party movement - millions of people.


And yet - all the democrats screaming about signs in parks and militias in the woods -


All that doesn't help any of the 13 people shot in Chicago last night - 3 of them dead.

Just pointing out that the democrats in charge - they do NOT focus in on the real problems - they just play more politics.


The democrats are unfit to govern - they have proven this time and time again.

But with the FRAUDS of Obama - all the empty promises - the oil spill is still GUSHING, the deficits are still high

The unemployed are still out of work

And the democrats have OTHER PRIORITIES.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Having a nice Cabernet Sauvignon at the moment (Rubus, Napa Valley), but not tipsy. Incidentally, watermelon granita with sparkling wine is a summer treat.

I think Jake's a decent enough person who has time and a few obsessions. Unfortunately, he couldn't be bothered to put together an argument. Unless he was drawing a tenuous legal conclusion. Hence, the parallel I drew with Brigade.

I generally avoid open mike time at the Fix (also known as the weekend when the comments section is entirely about tit for tat). It's fun to read, but not terribly productive to enter.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 5, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


No standards of civil behavior can ever be applied to you - is that correct?


You just go off whenever you want - sending out your messages of hate.


When was the last time you actually had a day of calm, thoughtful discussion - without the hate and rants which we have all seen here over and over again ???

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

It's a big country. Drop three hundred million people on any bell curve you can name and you'll find a few oddballs out in the standard deviation boonies. Doesn't prove a goddamn thing.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

"Are you drunk?"

This is one of my favorite insults.
I get to use it once a year, according to my frontal lobes, which have two or three neurons still attached to my limbic system.

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

12Bar writes:


Shut up, 37th, talking about films is a hell of lot better than talking about, oh, let me see, how many people were shot in Chicago last night.

____________________________

How many violations of civil discourse is this ???

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

TO THE REST OF YOU

WE WILL TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY.

==

You'll be dead inside two years from smoking crystal meth, and nobody will miss you.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I recommend The Road. To call it depressing doesn't quite capture it. That's almost an insult to depressing movies.

It's all in a class by itself. I would call it ultra realism in the world it describes. Actually, the ending represents a new beginning. You'll see what I mean.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

12 Bar -


You are guilty of uncivil behavior on this blog - will that ever be enforced?


Noacoler - You are guilty of just about every offense imaginable - but the signs you talk about are not common - they are the few - Im sure you are desperate to smear millions of people though


Ddawd - your attempts at smearing millions of people is offensive.


You show a prejudice and you are sterotyping millions of people.


Can't really help you there - except to point out what you are doing.

TO THE REST OF YOU

WE WILL TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY.

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Black teabaggers... claimed but never observed, don't appear in photos"

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So there aren't any, right? They've been interviewed on television. Get out more. Reality doesn't change depending on whether or not you're familiar with it.

No, I don't suppose you'll find the black teabaggers at rallys where people are waving racist signs. You won't find me there either.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, I listened to Limbaugh for nearly five years and Mark Levin for several years. I can tell who listens to which program by their language. Someone who says porkulus or spendulus, or mmm,mmm,mmm, or Lindsey Gramnesty listens to Limbaugh. If they say New York slimes, it's Levin. Or anything about tyranny, her thighness (Hillary) or Rachel Madcow, it's Levin.

I haven't listened now for a few years, so I'm not up to date.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues wrote,
"If you liked that, did you see "The Road" based on Cormac McCarthy's novel. The book is slightly better than the film, but the film is pretty faithful. That makes Blood look a Doris Day film in comparison. I had already read the book, and once you read it, you'll never forget it. I ran off to see the film first thing, because I knew it wouldn't last long in the theatres, but it is well worth seeing."
----

I have THE ROAD and THE BOOK OF ELI Blu-Rays but have yet to watch either one. Some people waste their money on liquor and drugs; I waste mine on movies. Maybe Drindl is right; if I spent less time here harassing people, I'd at least be able to watch movies as fast as I buy them.

A friend did tell me that THE ROAD was a very depressing experience. I watched SHUTTER ISLAND night before last. I have a home theater, so with the price of tickets and popcorn being what it is, I usually wait until a movie comes out on DVD or Blu-Ray and then buy it. In the old days, I used to see them all in the theater.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


The answer to your comment is 13 people shot and 3 dead in ONE night - not the whole weekend in Chicago.


Yea - it is a serious problem.


And this issue only comes up because broadwayjoe complains about the white militias training in the woods - and he says they pose a threat to the nation.

Well - the real threat to the natin is the violence happening all the time - in the inner cities.


And the left-wing violence in Toronto is real violence - there has been no Tea Party violence - no matter how afraid broadwayjoe is.


13 people shot - that is serious violence - and Obama should have been working on this problem the whole time he was a State Senator, US Senator, book touring - and over the past few years.

The TRUTH IS OBAMA HAS ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING FOR THE INNERCITIES.

Yea, that is a serious issue.

Go watch your movie because you certainly aren't serious about having a serious conversation here.

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

So let's see .. teabaggers carrying ni66er signs... Commonly seen, obviously representative... how dare you insinuate they represent the movement. This is RACISM AGAINST WHITES. A few bad apples!

Black teabaggers... claimed but never observed, don't appear in photos, to say nothing of hard to believe feeling comfy at the same rallies as the N-signs. But hey there are enough of them to counter the charge that the movement is racist as the N signs imply.

Not. Buying. It.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Widmark was the BEST villain in that era, that's for sure. Who would be that actor today?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 7:44 PM
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Offhand, I'd pick DeNiro, although he's done much more than play villains. He was very convincing in HEAT and GOODFELLAS. CAPE FEAR, GODFATHER II, JACKIE BROWN, ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA (see the complete version), THE UNTOUCHABLES, THE SCORE, RAGING BULL, CASINO, TAXI DRIVER, even a remake of NIGHT AND THE CITY. Tough to beat that record.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

@BB,

JakeD spends some of his time at Ezra Klein's blog, which is a very odd place for a guy like him, since EK is all about policy.

Are you really a friend of Jake's?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd


You like to cite outliers when you try to SMEAR the tea party movement.

Like the comment you made earlier today about people carrying signs in parks.

Seriously man, what is wrong with you?


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

No one could possibly say that "There Will be Blood" is upbeat. Far from it, but I still liked it. A lot.

If you liked that, did you see "The Road" based on Cormac McCarthy's novel. The book is slightly better than the film, but the film is pretty faithful. That makes Blood look a Doris Day film in comparison. I had already read the book, and once you read it, you'll never forget it. I ran off to see the film first thing, because I knew it wouldn't last long in the theatres, but it is well worth seeing.

Shut up, 37th, talking about films is a hell of lot better than talking about, oh, let me see, how many people were shot in Chicago last night.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade wrote,
"My earlier quote of your post was accurate and complete, so I'm surprised that you object."

I don't object. You can post as you like. I merely called for honesty. Your quote of my post was in no way accurate and complete and anyone who wishes can go back and check it. My post included the comments by Noacoler to which I was responding; yours did not. That's not an opinion or an assertion; it's a fact."

"You post insults of other posters for the purpose of eliciting a reaction, including those who haven't bothered addressing you."

Are you drunk? None of my posts were directed at you, least of all the one you referenced, until you interjected yourself--exactly the same thing you accuse me of doing. I guess that makes you a troll, too.

"Revel in your trolldom. It's an prestigious line of work, with a long and glorious tradition."

Now read my last paragraph. I'm sure your trolldom indeed involves a long and glorious tradition, although I'm familiar with only the trolldom you've practiced in the last two or three months.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

"President Obama is in trouble with whites." *laughing heartily*

This election cycle is the Republican Party's great white hope. Will the last gasp of the Southern Strategy work for them? I don't care. Their days are numbered. White people, meet colored people, they are worse than you, the same as you and better than you, just like other white people.

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

The comments on movies are not spam ???


What a joke.


The fix boycotters - all they did this weekend was spam the board with irrelevant topics


like broadwayjoe on militias


There was a whole set of comments trying to smear the Republican party based on some online person put in by Glenn Beck

NO - there has to be some objective standard - if one is going to complain about spamming or jamming -

AND believe me - the leftists all qualify for any standard put up.

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"What in blazes are you talking about? Everyone knows there are black teabaggers. Joe even referenced them as victims of the Stockholm Syndrome. Not many, but they exist.

Posted by: Brigade"

Well, when you have the chance, make a list for me as to what outliers get to represent you people and which ones don't.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 5, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Since we're not doing much else this fine afternoon, did you see "There will be Blood"? Everytime JakeD used to threaten, there will be blood, I'd think of that film. That is another great film with a GREAT villain, Daniel Day-Lewis.

And the creepy preacher kid played by Paul Dano. I don't know who was creepier, the preacher or the oilman, Plainview.

You don't often see two great performances in one film.

And the scenery is spectacular in a bleak sort of way.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 8:24 PM
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I liked THERE WILL BE BLOOD; the performances were great. My one complaint, which has nothing to do with aesthetics, was that there were no characters to really empathize with. They were all creeps, and Day-Lewis played the biggest creep of all---no redeeming qualities. So the movie leaves you feeling kind of down.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The FIX BOYCOTTERS have little to actually talk about when they are not mocking and harassing other people.

Movies ???

People have left the blog because of the childish behavior of the boycotters.


Im sure you all would love to blame 37 for it all - but that is not the truth.


Meanwhile

Inner City violence is still high


The Oil Spill is still gushing

Unemployment is still high

State and local budgets are about to collapse under the weight of union pensions, union contracts - and a multitude of liberal programs which the liberals did not pay for - but love to blame the fiscal problems on tax cuts.


The liberals have put this country in ONE FINE MESS - and all the leftists want to do is "blame Bush" - and say things like 8 years of bad whatever - or 30 years of this or that.

The worst State budgets are blue states - which are a complete disaster.

AND yet the democrats and the unions resist all sorts of FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY


The leftists think that somehow they can say it's Bush's fault - they can walk away , the whole problem will go away and they can go along to starting another massive government program.


It doesn't work that way.

The Health Care bill has to be declared unconstitutional or repealed - there is no fiscal way to pay for these massive subsidies.

Say something like that - CHALLENGE A LEFTIST TO ACTUALLY TALK NUMBERS ON THEIR CRAZY PROGRAMS - and you get some hate-filled rant, or blame - or something about Iraq.

You never get any actual numbers out of the leftists.

For instance a leftist would never say - "I think it is a good idea to spend 300 Billion dollars a year on subidies for health care - meaning we pay for a part of people's health insurance."


You never hear that - because then someone says - WHERE ARE THE 300 BILLION DOLLARS IN TAXES COMING FROM ???

Then they never say health insurance - because the dirty little secret is that money goes to the health insurance companies.


Then their eyes gloss over - and they get confused about their own program - who gets the money - who gets taxed and where the money goes.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"I call you on this. Never yet met one if you ba stards who admitted to tuning in Limbaugh yet every last lousy one if you recites the same points using the sane words on the same day like they all come from the same big firm and that firm is called Limbaugh & Beck."
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Such language. But you make my point. How in the world are you familiar with these "same points using the same words on the same day" unless you listen to them. I don't. You either listen to Limbaugh regularly or you are delusional or you're just full of it. Which is it?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

For someone who revels in snark, Brigade, you seem surprisingly tone deaf. I know Jake D. Jake D is a friend of mine. And you're no Jake D. [Actually, Jake is still active elsewhere and has personally mentioned to me that he's left the Fix. Haven't met him, though we had a near miss last August.]

My earlier quote of your post was accurate and complete, so I'm surprised that you object. You post insults of other posters for the purpose of eliciting a reaction, including those who haven't bothered addressing you. Revel in your trolldom. It's an prestigious line of work, with a long and glorious tradition.

Bonus points if you get the reference

\BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 5, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Since we're not doing much else this fine afternoon, did you see "There will be Blood"? Everytime JakeD used to threaten, there will be blood, I'd think of that film. That is another great film with a GREAT villain, Daniel Day-Lewis.

And the creepy preacher kid played by Paul Dano. I don't know who was creepier, the preacher or the oilman, Plainview.

You don't often see two great performances in one film.

And the scenery is spectacular in a bleak sort of way.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, thanks to Fix, we have advance notice of the official false anti-BHO narrative of the week: President Obama is in trouble with whites. Oh well.

Out. Enjoy the week.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

And wouldn't the same be true of those "others" who have been banned on multiple occasions? Be careful what you wish for; you may lose a friend.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:03 PM
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False equivalence: that poster was banned for calling out racist posts. Punishment for a good deed. 37's just spamming.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Liked him better as the good guy; as a bad guy he was TOO psychotic and mean, e.g., Tommy Udo.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm filling the niche of a rabid right-winger here, but I draw the line at spending my afternoons listening to Limbaugh and Beck.

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But most of what you post originates with them so, what, you read the Cliff Notes or something?

I call you on this. Never yet met one if you ba stards who admitted to tuning in Limbaugh yet every last lousy one if you recites the same points using the sane words on the same day like they all come from the same big firm and that firm is called Limbaugh & Beck.

Not a single one if you guys can originate an idea. No wonder you think George Will is an intellectual, and all HE does is dress up tavern conservatism with a thesaurus.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

bwj & brigade,

Thanks for the film recommendations. I'll let you know when I've seen it. Don't worry, folks, I won't give a full film report. Not that I won't want to.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Just ordered Night and the City too.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

12: The shorter version moves along better and some prefer it because the action is more compressed and there's less speechifying.

The longer version has a little more sweep to it and includes scenes cut out of the short version such as the Death of Parsons, Little Lisa's Birthday, and Crockett's knifing of the swindler Emil. But those cuts don't affect the narrative. Also Davy Crockett's final stand -- which I won't give away -- it is simply spectacular -- is a tad different than in the short version. Enjoy.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

You have to see Nuremberg in totality. There are so many subtle metaphors. There are many windows. The characters keep looking out windows (and even their glasses) looking for the "truth". Then, they close the drapes across the large windows behind the judges.

Another interesting metaphor is the use of the headsets. At the overt level, it is to translate German and English. But, it's more about listening for the "truth".

In this film, it is the truth that is illusive.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

You've made this point over and over in multiple threads. We get it. He/She appreciates the butt-kissing. The reacharound. I'm sure he/she would say the same about you. Get a room. Or maybe you already have?

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I detect some jealousy. Poor fellow, you bever hear "hey, great post, Brigade!" unless its from a reputable source like 36thandTinaPipe.

Cheer up, pest, at least nobody is accusing you of being original, nor is anyone likely to.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

In my mind, Widmark never really broke out of his image as a villain. I suppose he was one of the "good guys" in Nuremberg, but to me, there were no good guys in that film. Wasn't that the point of the film, the good and bad kept changing places. Unless you count father figure, Spenser Tracy.

Widmark was the BEST villain in that era, that's for sure. Who would be that actor today?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Widmark was in "Nuremberg" but I haven't seen the whole film. But his performance as Jim Bowie is incredible.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Forgot YELLOW SKY. He was nasty in that one, too. Tied with the great Robert Ryan as the most convincing psycho of his era.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

It is the 1960 film, but is 162 minutes, so I guess that's the short version.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues wrote,
Was Widmark in Judgment at Nuremberg? That came up in my search.
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Yes. I liked Widmark better as a villain than a hero, but once he became famous his roles as villain became few and far between. KISS OF DEATH, PICKUP ON SOUTH STREET, NO WAY OUT, NIGHT AND THE CITY, ROAD HOUSE, STREET WITH NO NAME, THE LAW AND JAKE WADE, COMA, and BROKEN LANCE for the evil Widmark.


Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the comments today were full of civil behavior -

And all the children are getting along with one another.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe wrote,
"brig, you're the expert on all things Phalin so..."
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Sorry. You guys spend much more time obsessing on Palin than I do. Just like Beck, Limbaugh, et al.

I'm filling the niche of a rabid right-winger here, but I draw the line at spending my afternoons listening to Limbaugh and Beck.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Wapiti means Moose for all you who are ignoring her.

The conversation has really gotten boring here

Anyone who wishes to complain about the content of this board should look at this pathetic set of comments.


Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

12: Make sure you order John Wayne's three-hour epic from 1960 (the most expensive movie ever made up then) and NOT the recent Billy Bob Thornton film called "The Alamo" that was a total embarrassment. If you want to see the original "road show" (the so-called long version) with overture music, intermission music, etc., wait for the next showing on TCM. Turner shows the longer version of Wayne's classic.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Was Widmark in Judgment at Nuremberg? That came up in my search.

That film is truly one of the great films. What I remember best is the bit part with Monty Clift and how he twisted and turned in the witness chair until he was almost looking back over his shoulder. What a performance. I think he did that part for free just to get the part.

And Max Schell, another great performance by an unknown to U.S. audiences anyway.

Oh, wait, was Widmark one of the U.S. officers sitting behind the lawyers?

I visited Nuremberg a couple of years ago and say the courtroom, and it is much like the film.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps if we could find them. Kind of surprising that we can't given all the attention you try to draw to them.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 5, 2010 7:07 PM
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What in blazes are you talking about? Everyone knows there are black teabaggers. Joe even referenced them as victims of the Stockholm Syndrome. Not many, but they exist.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Briggy, ceflynline is one of a few posters I and others come here to read."

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You've made this point over and over in multiple threads. We get it. He/She appreciates the butt-kissing. The reacharound. I'm sure he/she would say the same about you. Get a room. Or maybe you already have?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

I just ordered the Alamo. I don't remember if I've seen it or not, but nothing wrong with seeing it again.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

liked him in "The Alamo" and "Warlock." Great actor.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 7:06 PM
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What about NO WAY OUT?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

brig, you're the expert on all things Phalin so...

Since sharing her, er, "policy" with Gregory Charles Royal," has Mrs. Phalin articulated any more policy positions?
Any update from her on newspapers read? Has she developed a strategy to address her serious concerns about so many Native Hawaiians living in...Hawaii?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, some of the "Teabaggers" ARE Black, although I'm certain you weren't aware of it. Maybe if you'd use your imagination a little less, read fewer comic books, and concentrate on what happens in the real world, your opinions would be more interesting.

Posted by: Brigade"

Perhaps if we could find them. Kind of surprising that we can't given all the attention you try to draw to them.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 5, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I think I remember Kiss of Death. Richard Widmark would be considered the King of Snark these days. Remember how he could wind up that little snarky voice of his to the point that if he asked the price of coffee, just the question would be snarky. What a great actor he was. Good film.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 6:57 PM
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I'm thinking he introduced Widmark into the thread because I said something about pushing cripples down the stairs and laughing. No?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

So, JakeD exits stage right and you come in stage right. Hmmm…...

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 5, 2010 6:37 PM
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Sorry I missed this part in my response. Sometimes the old light is a little slow coming on. So now I'm not only Zouk, I'm also the infamous JakeD. Can we label this the Drindl Syndrome?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Briggy, ceflynline is one of a few posters I and others come here to read, you and 37th are posters peoplel read around.

You seem to think your insults are clever, an opinion nobody shares. You have the same function here as a toothache. You come to be a nuisance. At that you succeed, I guess everyone is good at something.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, some of the "Teabaggers" ARE Black, although I'm certain you weren't aware of it. Maybe if you'd use your imagination a little less, read fewer comic books, and concentrate on what happens in the real world, your opinions would be more interesting.

Posted by: Brigade"

Perhaps if we could find them. Kind of surprising that we can't given all the attention you try to draw to them.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 5, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I liked him in "The Alamo" and "Warlock." Great actor.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade wrote,
"No, Brigade, I quoted the entire paragraph."

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The entire paragraph? What the hell has that got to do with anything? My paragraph was A RESPONSE to Noacoler's comment, which WAS INCLUDED in my post. I appreciate what side you're on, and it doesn't bother me. But please, have enough self respect to be honest.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Fix got what he wanted today: A Drudge link ("Whites leave Obama") to Fix's faux article. I guess that's the anti-BHO false narrative for this week. Sad.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

I think I remember Kiss of Death. Richard Widmark would be considered the King of Snark these days. Remember how he could wind up that little snarky voice of his to the point that if he asked the price of coffee, just the question would be snarky. What a great actor he was. Good film.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes please let the Tundra Tramp take the place of the Mouth That Bored.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

If I believed in celestial playmates I'd be praying for this.

Come on, Barbie Bi tch, finish off the GOP

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 6:22 PM

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Hey, Fairlington! Read this. Is this the sort of coherent post you were talking about? One that might draw substantive responses?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

" "If there are any tea baggers here, welcome, and white power." Posted by: broadwayjoe"

Get your hearing checked, I am sure there was a d in there.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Al Capp where you now that we need you. Anyone remember Mamie Moosenose?

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

There's a reason that comedian/social commentator Janeane Garofalo allegedly opens her act by saying to the audience: "If there are any tea baggers here, welcome, and white power."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 6:21 PM
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Talk about trivia. How would anyone know that? Janeane Garofalo has "an act" after Air America tanked? And people actually go watch it? Who pays whom?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I did consider the wasilla Wapiti, but haven't the diction to regularly say that out loud.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse


The FIX BOYCOTTERS are all back - the boycott has been BROKEN

It appears the Washington Post caved in way too soon - banning someone under threat of a boycott - only to see that boycott happen anyway and it wasn't even respected by the boycotters on the first day.


What a pathetic and lame boycott.


Well - boycotters - you can't break your own boycott and expect to still get you way -

That is ridiculous.


Meanwhile, Obama's oil spill is still gushing.

Obama could have stopped the Oil Spill by making sure the safety inspections were done correctly.

Obama gave out HUNDREDS of environmental waivers to oil rigs - according to CNN.

If you voted for Obama - the oil spill is still your fault.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

When you call a stellar contributor like ceflynline "stupid" you cross a line there is no uncrossing. It's one thing to do an occasional exasperated insult but you don't do anything else. Get lost, creep.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 6:09 PM
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LOL. Oh, Lord. This is too much. Let me wipe my eyes and regain my composure. Ceflynline is a "stellar contributor" and a line has been crossed---was a pun intended? Not only that, but you've provoked me by calling me a creep, and I'm certain that will draw you a rebuke from FairlingtonBlade. Not.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

12BB, BWJ, and noacoler:

If you haven't noticed, what really tweaks the spleens of 37th, and of KOZ of the many personae is being referred to in the third person, or being talked around or past. They also hate it when you go way over their head but usually have the discipline to not complain lest they call attention to their Napoleonic stature.

Ignoring them, and when it becomes necessary noting them enpassant is the key. KOZ is especially sensitive to toes trodden in crowded elevators.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

12bar

To say that the economic downturn is the fault of the Republicans is just a lie - and it is fairly ridiculous to spread such ignorant lies.

Bill Clinton deregulated the derivatives markets.


Bill Clinton repealed the Glass Steagall Act.

Bill Clinton stuffed his people into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac


OBAMA STILL REFUSES TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS AT FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC,


You are a complete disgrace to spread these lies.

How many times do you have to be told ?

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

No prob. I'll put together a reading list real soon. We'll probably start with stuff from Eugene Robinson, Frank Rich, Joan Walsh, Charley James (who broke the Phalin "S_mbo-gate" and Gregory Charles Royal stories), Neela Banerjee, and Howard Zinn, and take it from there. Be patient.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

July, August, September, and October still loom big on the horizon for Republicans, and the wall, or cliff they expect to meet when they get to it has them singing happy days are here again in an off pitch, tremolo, flatly scared rendition. And the chorus of RINO eating harpies isn't in sync and isn't in the same key, so the Fugue in Republican Resurgence with brass band and chorus isn't the artistic triumph that the Let's go bach Party expected.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 6:20 PM
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Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You must be a musician. Fugue with brass band and chorus in a let's go bach party. That is too funny.

I looooooooove Bach and play every fugue I can find, and con my teacher into playing four hand fugues. He always gives me the evil eye when I say "hey, let's play a fugue". And than light out at breakneck speed. All I have to do is have 5 measures at speed to fake him out. My private little joke for all the pain he causes me with Eb13sus chords, or some other sh'it.

Bwhahaha!!!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Learning the hard way is the voters' prerogative, but they'll figure it out someday, unless Plato was correct.

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 5:50 PM
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They are definitely learning the hard way.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

No, Brigade, I quoted the entire paragraph. Since that point, you wrote a dozen or so insults to others on the board. So, JakeD exits stage right and you come in stage right. Hmmm…...

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 5, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe wrote,
"drain, your post was important and should be read and re-read."

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Oh, we will, we will. Great reacharound, Joe.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"So how come you uh people support Palin? Ebonics would be an improvement over her unintelligible twang."

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You mean Phalin don't you? Or don't you speak Broadwayjoe's brand of Ebonics?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh and ceflynline just might be a genius.
I lurk just to enjoy his semiotic installations.

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

I did notice your response to the Andy Grove article. Thank you for that. I think the three of us, you, me and Andy, agree that something must be done to turn the job situation around. We have been victims of our own free market ideology over the last 30 years. Or at least, that's when I noticed the tendency to give away one industry after another to Asian manufacturers.

Did you read the article? It is excellent and is already getting a lot of press. It's certainly unusual for someone like Andy Grove to reassess the direction hi tech has taken, since certainly Intel outsourced its manufacturing.

I think it goes without saying that I prefer this style of dialogue, rather than running insults. Up to you, though, since I don't presume to tell you what to do.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

brig-ade, those who cannot remember history are doomed to repeat it.
__________

From an earlier post by Blade:

"King_of_Zouk has been a longtime poster on the blog. Characterized by information copied from conservative blogs (used to be unattributed, but has reformed somewhat), offhand insults to libs, and rather personal needling of some of the liberal commenters. Shows some stalker tendencies (looked up the CV of drindl and amuses himself by ridiculing her). Posts or posted under a variety of handles, usually several at a time. This mainly happened after the original KoZ was banned. Moonbat and drivl were insults directed at the poster drindl."

Just sayin'.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain, the poorest candidate one could imagine, garnered 55% of the white vote.
One has read the Census projected demographics with whites becoming a minority by the next 20 or so years and receding into oblivion as time marches on. This matches the expectations of Howard Dean:
"The fact is that the Democratic party is made up of lots of different people, and we’re all minorities in our party. That’s the way it’s been for a long, long time. We’re the party of opportunity. So the demographic trends favor the Democrats.

If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic Party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in the [laughs] Republican Party."

National Public Radio on Friday, August 15, 2008, Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee

Posted by: Francesca2 | July 5, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"If I believed in celestial playmates I'd be praying for this."

Well I realize I might be on my own in this way, at least in this collective, but I like your sense of humor.

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

FAR more germane to the life of legal Latinos is the possibility of being harassed, questioned, cornered, bothered, or arrested and released a few days later because they "look like" they might have crossed the border.

You can screed all you like about Democrats taking minority votes for granted, but you should give brown and black people a little more credit, they know who's got their back and they know who's using bigotry against them to rile up rubes you like, taking YOUR votes for granted, because you guys are so damned easy to manipulate.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 5:19 PM
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Nice of you to intervene on behalf of other posters you must think are incapable of defending their own positions.

"being harassed and bothered" because of what "they look like"? It is you and your fellow libbies who are trying to rile up the rubes---the libbie rubes. I don't know of any law which says anything about harassing people because of what they look like, although I appreciate that you have so little respect for the intelligence of Latinos that you think they'll buy this garbage.

And if "brown and black people . . . know who's got their back", one might expect them to demand something more than hot air and gut wind in return for their continued support. I'll bet they feel all warm and secure that people like you have their back. What about the yellow people? Should they vote 95% Democratic, too? Or continue to excel and take advantage of the American dream?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

All the (paid?) blog-spamming in the world will not cover up multi-agency fusion center atrocities:

HOMELAND FUSION CENTER MICROWAVE CELL TOWER WEAPON SYSTEM SILENTLY ASSAULTS, TORTURES, IMPAIRS 'TARGETED' AMERICANS: VETERAN JOURNALIST

• "Dissidents" and "undesirables" also targeted by multi-agency program of financial sabotage; community-based, police-protected, GPS-enabled vigilante stalking, vandalism, home intrusion; ideology-driven censorship -- a genocidal purge.

All of those cell towers you see all over America are NOT all for phone calls.

Some of them are TORTURE TOWERS -- part of a nationwide microwave/laser radio frequency "directed energy weapon" system that is being used by operatives of the multi-agency Homeland Security-run "fusion center" network to silently torture, impair, and physically and neurologically degrade the functioning and well-being of extrajudicially, unjustly '"targeted" citizens...

And apparently, this precision-targeted domestic weapon system being used to attack and harm U.S. citizens has been deployed WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF CONGRESS or high state officials.

Exhibit A: U.S. Patent No. 7629918, held by Raytheon, for the "Multifunctional Microwave Laser Radio Frequency Directed Energy Weapon System."

BUCKS COUNTY, PA: "Mid-Atlantic States (including D.C.) Centcom of a Fusion Center Gestapo."

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
NowPublic.com/scrivener OR Facebook -- Vic Livingston ("Notes")

Posted by: scrivener50 | July 5, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes please let the Tundra Tramp take the place of the Mouth That Bored.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

If I believed in celestial playmates I'd be praying for this.

Come on, Barbie Bi tch, finish off the GOP

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

brig-ade, victims of Stockholm Syndrome don't count...but deserve our pity and, of course, professional help. The baggers are 100% monochromatic.

There's a reason that comedian/social commentator Janeane Garofalo allegedly opens her act by saying to the audience: "If there are any tea baggers here, welcome, and white power."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

12BB: As tempting as it is to help hijack the subject to anything having to do with the Sitka Moose, let's be patient until CC has had his chance to post a list of fatuous comments ant the attributions to fatuous commentators before we lambaste it as a truly hilarious idea. Today's meat for mincing is the attempt to get a movement for republicans from grumpy old white men.

Grumpy old white men who seek a rejuvenating challenge aren't looking for partial rebuilds with concrete reinforcement. They want perky and bouncy, and while Sarah has tried from the start to channel the 17 year old cheerleader pushing a school bond vote, she isn't as convincing as she feels she is.

The murmuring in the ranks of the non minority has far less meaning than CC's sources choose to convince themselves exists. When the question "Is everybody happy?" gets greeted by groans and boos, the R's take it as a movement, and not just gastric distress. Ask the question in the way a voter can use it to decide, "Are you happy about losing your unemployment compensation?" and you don't expect quite as big a pro republican response. Ask about how happy people are that the troops in Iraq are being drawn down to a much more supportable level and the Bush Doctrine looks as bereft of glory as it always was in practice.

July, August, September, and October still loom big on the horizon for Republicans, and the wall, or cliff they expect to meet when they get to it has them singing happy days are here again in an off pitch, tremolo, flatly scared rendition. And the chorus of RINO eating harpies isn't in sync and isn't in the same key, so the Fugue in Republican Resurgence with brass band and chorus isn't the artistic triumph that the Let's go bach Party expected.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

About Palin subbing for Steele, here's the link: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGRmYTI0ZWVhZTA0Y2YyMGE4NGIxZGUyZDhmZThhZDE=

I try to stay fully informed on the latest thinking.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Drainyou wrote,
"Something to think about during the long July 4th weekend....
Imagine if the Teabaggers were Black . . ."

(eliminated the cut-and-paste gibberish)

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Actually, some of the "Teabaggers" ARE Black, although I'm certain you weren't aware of it. Maybe if you'd use your imagination a little less, read fewer comic books, and concentrate on what happens in the real world, your opinions would be more interesting.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Widmark as Tommy Udo in "Kiss of Death" (1947). Brig wants to take America back, not to the 50s, but to the 40s. We won't even have color TV or transistor radios.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, you're as tiresome as 37th now, a festering boil of a writer snapping at everyone like a dog beaten into schizophrenia.

Just go away.

When you call a stellar contributor like ceflynline "stupid" you cross a line there is no uncrossing. It's one thing to do an occasional exasperated insult but you don't do anything else. Get lost, creep.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

As you well know, the insults and snark seem to get a lot more responses than any other posts. Sick? Maybe. No one here does more of it than you. Sicko.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 3:23 PM

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and fairlingtonblade's response,
"And there we have it. An unpleasant comment designed purely to provoke another individual into a back and forth. Practically a paraphrase of the definition of a troll."

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Actually BB, my post was IN RESPONSE to an unpleasant comment designed purely to prove another individual. Since this was quite obvious, would not your mischaracterization of the situation qualify you as a troll?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Picture this blog if the rules were enforced consistently instead of with the complete slant they are now."

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From what I understand, that would leave you permanently gone.

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Broadwyjoe wrote,
That's not 37's fault but the blog's. If they wanted him gone, he'd be gone.

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And wouldn't the same be true of those "others" who have been banned on multiple occasions? Be careful what you wish for; you may lose a friend.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Richard Widmark? What character? I don't want to miss any part of the fun.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Some people over at the National Review are pushing for Michael Steele to be fired and Sarah Palin to replace him.

The endorser actually wrote: "A Chairman Palin would help set the right tone for the Republican party without having to get herself entangled in the minutiae of policy-development, which has not been her forte."
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Isn't this a gem of understatement.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 5:44 PM
________________

12: Is this real? I knew the neo-con/neo-seg crowd is determined to purge Mike from the RNC but I hadn't heard they want to replace him with Phalin. LOL.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The other side held up by DDAWD, ceflynline, shrink2, 12Bar, and other articulate thinkers.

We already have major intellectual imbalance, eliminating the hecklers would highlight it.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 4:04 PM
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LOL. Truthful . . . you forgot truthful. How's ceflynline getting along on that Korean War pension?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

That was Richard Widmark's character.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

It would certainly lead to a massive rise in blood pressure for these trolls to discover that no=one responded to their very best efforts to arouse a response from anyone not one of them. Better than a boycott, many common sense posters treating this legion as totally unpersons might accomplish something. That does take real discipline, though, and even a few small slips set common sense back by generations.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 4:03 PM
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LOL. This from one of the biggest trolls who posts here. The one thing you can take away from ceflynline's posts is that a little knowledge (very little) is a dangerous thing. But I usually do try to ignore them.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

When Chris Cillizza put on his slimesuit and tasered 37th, he must have crossed the beams or looked directly into the containment unit.

That would explain why 37th remains on the blog, and CC has been slimed.

Next time, give us the proton packs, and we WILL NOT cross the beams.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, as are most leftists, I am more disappointed in Obama's performance than the right can fathom. As for November, no worries. If America wants a return of the Republican Party, America deserves the Republican party. Good luck with that. Learning the hard way is the voters' prerogative, but they'll figure it out someday, unless Plato was correct.

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

How about everyone else? Are we guilty of responding only to hecklers? If so, we should change.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:40 PM
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I seem to recall making a serious response to your "outsourcing" post in the other thread. But I don't recall any feedback. However, when I said something frivolous to SOMEONE ELSE in this thread, you were all over it. You are what you eat, mentally and otherwise.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Not only savagely personal, but in precisely the same terms as any of his othr monikers.

But noa is right, it doesn't matter if he is the same idiot or not... he still has the same obsessive, obnoxious, psychotic 'personality.'

Stalker, misogynist and homophobe.

Posted by: drindl | July 5, 2010 3:35 PM
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Aside from cut-and-pastes, this is just typical from Drindl. What a case.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Some people over at the National Review are pushing for Michael Steele to be fired and Sarah Palin to replace him.

The endorser actually wrote: "A Chairman Palin would help set the right tone for the Republican party without having to get herself entangled in the minutiae of policy-development, which has not been her forte."
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Isn't this a gem of understatement.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe wrote,
"The most promising opponent, Mrs. Phalin, even with her recent alleged "enhancements" and allegedly re-fit wig, loses by 23 POINTS, and wins only SIX states, against BHO according to legit polls and analyses."

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Am I the only one who sees the irony in someone who screams racism every time Obama is lampooned posting something like this? Holy Mackerel! Algonguin J. Calhoun was Lightnin' Obama's mentor.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's try this again. Drindl accuses ME of BEING Zouk.

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Very first day you showed up . . . You were not new here, and the list of possibilities is very short.

You probably are zouk, but if not it scarcely matters . . .

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 3:26 PM

Another diseased mind. Your friends do you and Drindl no favors by indulging your fantasies. It's not much different than pushing a cripple down the stairs and laughing.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hows [Nimrata Kaur Randhawa] doing today, Joe?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:04 PM
_________________

Let's wait 'til November. Wouldn't it be nice, though, if Barack H. Obama could run as Abe Lincoln or Franklin Roosevelt or George Washington or A. Einstein? Nimrata gets to run as someone named "Nikki." Not bad.

BTW, brig-ade, if you are interested in Indian Americans take on Nim's candidacy, read veteran Indian-American journalist Neela Banerjee's well regarded piece titled "Nikki, Aka Nimrata."

http://www.doublex.com/blog/xxfactor/nikki-aka-nimrata

All the best.


Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

A point for drindl's suspicions.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

What's your point? If you aren't zouk, wouldn't you be curious about the facts of the stalking charge.

If you ARE zouk, you don't require any proof.
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Verb train wreck.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:22 PM
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No, I'm not curious. If she believes I'm Zouk, then she is obviously delusional. I'm not interested in mapping the labyrinth of a diseased mind.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Since Noacoler and some of the others are getting all wet, I thought a sensible poster should take time to point out that this is really a idiotic comment. You mean you wouldn't accuse Joe Biden and Harry Reid of racism if they supported a black candidate who spoke with a negro dialect and wasn't clean and articulate? Is that what you mean?

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For a guy who struts as a "sensible poster" you don't make a lot of sense.

So how come you uh people support Palin? Ebonics would be an improvement over her unintelligible twang.

She's the best you have, right?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Since Noacoler and some of the others are getting all wet, I thought a sensible poster should take time to point out that this is really a idiotic comment. You mean you wouldn't accuse Joe Biden and Harry Reid of racism if they supported a black candidate who spoke with a negro dialect and wasn't clean and articulate? Is that what you mean?

Posted by: Brigade "

Well, I don't know what the hell you would call the manner of how our last President spoke, but from what I remember, it was considered endearing and "American"

So how about we elect a black person with an equal inability to grasp the English language?

Oh wait, someone like that wouldn't be endearing. He would be uneducated and too urban and would not get a single EV.

But hey, let's go back to bitc hing about how bad whites have it.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 5, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

brigade wrote: If Hispanics want to guarantee that they will always be taken for granted and given lots of B.S., they can always do what African-Americans have done: vote 95% Democratic in every election.
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Don't you think there are reasons that Hispanics are trending Democratic and that AA's have largely become a Democratic voting bloc.

Instead of blaming the voters as stupid, blame the Republican party. Strategists target demographics and either succeed or fail based on party policies. It's not the voters who have failed. It is the Republican party who has failed to attract Hispanics and AA to see themselves as Republicans.

By the way, this isn't a new trend. It has been going on for years now, with a slight blip the other direction during Bush's first election cycle. This didn't start with Barack Obama's election.

If I were a Republican strategist, there is no demographic that I would find more important to attract, than the Hispanic vote. Somehow, writing them off as too stupid to know what's good for them, doesn't strike me as a winning strategy.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"...[the midterms] will surely be devastating for Democrats running in an election that will be a referendum on the Obama agenda," predicted one senior Democratic operative..."

This is hilarious. I'll bet this dork actually said "...will be a referendum on the democrap statist, socialist, free lunch Obama agenda..." but then no one would believe it was coming from a senior Democratic operative, so you had to clean it up a bit. Am I right, Chris?

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 3:00 PM
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Another perfect example of what happens in the echo chamber. The true Obamamaniac just can't believe there are any Obama voters who are disappointed in his performance. Lock up the ropes and sharp objects before November.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I think Hispanics will go for southwest Republicans like George Bush or John McCain. I can't think of two Republicans more sympathetic to the Hispanic side of the immigration issue. I think the last few Presidential elections have actually been the high water mark for Hispanic support for the Republican party. You think if the next Republican Presidential candidate is some tea party sympathetic who proposes deporting all Hispanics, he will get anything close to the support that McCain or Bush got?

I believe this demographic is still malleable, far more so than blacks. I do think that the party is going in the wrong direction on this issue. It's their calculus that they better off playing to their base rather than trying to expand. I won't argue with them. In a policy sense, I think what I think about everything they do.

They are wrong and they area a bunch of idiots.

Did I hit a sore spot with 37th? I ctrl+F my name to jump down to my post this morning, but hit 37th's posts like 20 times, so I gave up.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 5, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

And what Broadwayjoe cannot comprehend: the vast majority of Hispanics in this country are legal residents and believe in the rule of law. He equates Hispanic with illegal immigrant, racism with enforcing immigration laws, and assumes that most Hispanics are ignorant enough to buy into his logic. 

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Any special reason you need to speak through other posters?  Just as you alter quotes, you're sticking words in BWJ's mouth that he's never written here.  Is this some sort of reflex?  Are you even *capable* of posting without heckling?  It doesn't look like it.

And again you seem a little challenged on distinctions.  Yeah most Latinos are in favor of the rule of law and I'm sure there are plenty who're born here or gone through the hassle of naturalization and resent illegals' "free ride," yeah maybe they exist but the Latinos I know don't see it that way, the "free ride" thing seems to be more a feature of you teabaggers and other right wing punishment-obsessed types.  As if illegals in this country are living the life of Riley.  What a sweet deal, hanging out at Home Depot looking for a few hours of work.  Wow.

FAR more germane to the life of legal Latinos is the possibility of being harassed, questioned, cornered, bothered, or arrested and released a few days later because they "look like" they might have crossed the border.  

You can screed all you like about Democrats taking minority votes for granted, but you should give brown and black people a little more credit, they know who's got their back and they know who's using bigotry against them to rile up rubes you like, taking YOUR votes for granted, because you guys are so damned easy to manipulate.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

DDWAD wrote,
"USMC, if the US ever elects a President who speaks in ebonics, I'll never accuse anyone of racism ever again. Like, I could see a guy clad in white sheet dragging a black guy tied to the back of his truck and I'll say "he probably insulted the guy's momma"

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Since Noacoler and some of the others are getting all wet, I thought a sensible poster should take time to point out that this is really a idiotic comment. You mean you wouldn't accuse Joe Biden and Harry Reid of racism if they supported a black candidate who spoke with a negro dialect and wasn't clean and articulate? Is that what you mean?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

It's easy, easy, easy to be a heckler. It's difficult to write your own thoughts and put it out there.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:06 PM
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Are you sure you aren't talking about Drindl? Heckle and cut-and-paste are all she ever does save indulge her paranoia.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


The Great 37 in the Sky says you should answer the charges against you


Don't go crying to mommy every time you don't like something.

The wisdom of the Great 37 in the Sky is vast.

And John Belushi asks...... How much for your children ?


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

ade: at the end of the day, we'll wager that Hispanics will vote for Obama over some zenophobic opponent beholden to the teabaggers who supports racial profiling of Latinos and mile-high electrified border fences. Just sayin'.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 2:28 PM
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Who's "we"? Obama doesn't share your level of confidence. Bush actually DID things for Africa, and African-American voters cared not at all. 95% stuck on the plantation. Obama hasn't DONE anything for Hispanics except allow them to be exploited. He thinks beating his gums together and making empty promises qualify as action. I'm hoping Hispanics/Latinos are more intelligent than you seem to give them credit for. Just sayin.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

drain, your post was important and should be read and re-read.

I earlier posted an excerpt from Courtland Malloy's column about the failure to respond to the hate activity (which your post also excerpts) but, in regard to the haters and trolls, it fell on deaf ears.

We ignore these socios at our peril ...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The leftists on this board have proven that the left in this country DOES have a totalitarian streak - that all the charges of statist and socialism ARE legitimate.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

So, do you predict that Hispanics are now going to turn back to the Republican party? Is that your underlying point? Or exactly what is your point?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 1:53 PM
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Don't know what you mean by "turn back." Were they ever a solidly Republican constinuency? Obama is plenty worried that he won't hold enough of them. If Hispanics want to guarantee that they will always be taken for granted and given lots of B.S., they can always do what African-Americans have done: vote 95% Democratic in every election.

And what Broadwayjoe cannot comprehend: the vast majority of Hispanics in this country are legal residents and believe in the rule of law. He equates Hispanic with illegal immigrant, racism with enforcing immigration laws, and assumes that most Hispanics are ignorant enough to buy into his logic. Hows Nikki doing today, Joe?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

None of the above. Bill Murray and Ernie Hudson can't help with this one. It's too silly even for them. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Shrink


The problem on this board is that there has been no enforcement of the rules for so long - no one knows what the rules are.


Posters on this board see all sorts of uncivil behavior - and they follow.


Broadwayjoe, leichtman, 12bar, ddawd and drinl have been spamming and making outrageous comments for so long - with no enforcement at all.

Everyone has to post in this environment - and it is wrong - because once a poster has to withstand the barrage of racism and insults from broadwayjoe and ddawd and crew - then it is understandable that there would be some push-back.


In addition, so many of the complaints here are based on CONTENT - it is difficult to distinquish the legitimate complaints from the PARTISAN MOB WHICH JUST WANTS TO CLEAR ALL CONSERVATIVES FROM SPEAKING, EVER.


Yes, there is a LEFTIST LYNCH MOB on this board - who enjoys going after other posters.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Ok, this is a test for all you Bill Murray fans out there:

Q "If a freeloading lodger from the spirit world (37th in the sky) does move in, who are you going to call?"

A ________________ ___________________

a. Chris Cillizza
b. Barack Obama
c. Orly Taitz
d. Ghost Busters

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Something to think about during the long July 4th weekend....


Imagine if the Teabaggers were Black


"Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic? What if they were Arab-Americans? Because, after all, that’s what happened recently when white gun enthusiasts descended upon the nation’s capital, arms in hand, and verbally announced their readiness to make war on the country’s political leaders if the need arose."

"Imagine that white members of Congress, while walking to work, were surrounded by thousands of angry black people, one of whom proceeded to spit on one of those congressmen for not voting the way the black demonstrators desired. Would the protesters be seen as merely patriotic Americans voicing their opinions, or as an angry, potentially violent, and even insurrectionary mob? After all, this is what white Tea Party protesters did recently in Washington."


http://ephphatha-poetry.blogspot.com/2010/04/imagine-if-tea-party-was-black-tim-wise.html

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Posted by: DrainYou | July 5, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The issues that affect the majority of people's sense of well being, and answer the question, are you better off since 20XX, are the economy and jobs, the deficit and size of government, and the progress being made by Congress in addressing these issues: That's why Obama is talking about jobs coming from green energy, other than deep water oil. He also needs to talk about deficit reduction, and the measures taken to cut government size, waste and budgets, and, looking out, how reducing the tension in the middle east will allow cutting defense and war costs, contributing to deficit reduction.


Economy and jobs 32
Gulf oil spill 14
Deficit and government spending 12
Health care 6
Iraq and Afghanistan 6
Immigration 4
Terrorism and national security 4

Posted by: mesondk | July 5, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"FlowersofPeace" = "37thandOstreet".....and he's already been banned from this site at least once and maybe twice already.

Posted by: DrainYou | July 5, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


Don't be such a crybaby


There is a boycott going on - which you pledged to support - so keep to your word.


The Great 37 in the Sky says the topic is RACISM


The whites in this country are SICK OF THE FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.

Obama promised a post-racial environment - and instead this is what we get -

Obama's henchmen putting out the word to level FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE POLICY DIFFERENCES.

I would say that the democratic party is finished for a generation due to this lunacy.


Obama promised one thing - we got another


Time to vote OUT all the democrats and send the message that this kind of garbage will not be tolerated in America.

AND yes, this kind of politics IS UNAMERICAN.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


You are speaking from an extreme partisan point of view.

The Great 37 in the Sky should decide who stays and goes - his wisdom is greater than Obama's


The Great 37 in the Sky says you should not overlook that the FIX BOYCOTTERS should all be banned - because threatening the reporter, and organizing a boycott is against "civil discourse."


The Great 37 in the Sky says that the topic is RACISM.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"That does take real discipline..."

Some public access e-spaces have that and most don't. Obviously this one doesn't. I think it is because there can not be a sense of community, common purpose, whatever you want to call it in a space dedicated to politics. Politics are, after all, fractious and [insert all too true clichés here].

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

As you well know, the insults and snark seem to get a lot more responses than any other posts. Sick? Maybe. No one here does more of it than you. Sicko.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

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And there we have it. An unpleasant comment designed purely to provoke another individual into a back and forth. Practically a paraphrase of the definition of a troll. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)]

As an alternative, Brigade, consider USMC_Mike or sliowa1. Both are only occasional posters, but present a coherent viewpoint and draw (mostly) substantive responses. Mark_in_Austin is difficult to button hole, but sits somewhere in the center. There are a few irregulars on the left as well who occasionally post something worth reading. Try it sometime. You might be surprised that you'll get a response other than name calling.

Of course, if name calling is the only thing you want, be CC's guest.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 5, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Every time a voter decides, for instance, that affordable health care is no longer a luxury, some component of his politics moves a bit leftward.
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Thank you for that explanation, it makes sense. Perhaps, like the hardships of the 30's set up decades of Democratic governments, the hardships of today are pulling voters slightly leftward.

Another issue that will tug voters leftward is the flight of American jobs. At least, I can't imagine Republicans would support any type of obstacle to corporations doing whatever they like.

I never thought I'd read Andy Grove writing about a version of government and corporate cooperation to save American jobs, but he is.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-01/how-to-make-an-american-job-before-it-s-too-late-andy-grove.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't care one way or another, but we thought the poster "37thandO" was banned by the blog's host as "37" or any other poster name such as "Flowers." Obviously 37 has not been banned. Bottom line: That's not 37's fault but the blog's. If they wanted him gone, he'd be gone.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Picture this blog if the rules were enforced consistently instead of with the complete slant they are now.

Zouk, Brigade, armpeg, gone.

Conservatism represented by leapin (unintelligible), reason5 (mediocrity), and the Marine who posts from Baghdad... on east coast time (predictable and doctrinaire).

The other side held up by DDAWD, ceflynline, shrink2, 12Bar, and other articulate thinkers.

We already have major intellectual imbalance, eliminating the hecklers would highlight it.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"How about everyone else? Are we guilty of responding only to hecklers? If so, we should change. Posted by: 12BarBlues"

It would certainly lead to a massive rise in blood pressure for these trolls to discover that no=one responded to their very best efforts to arouse a response from anyone not one of them. Better than a boycott, many common sense posters treating this legion as totally unpersons might accomplish something. That does take real discipline, though, and even a few small slips set common sense back by generations.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Shrink


I am channeling the Great 37 in the Sky


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Late addition to Beck University courses:

"Why God Loves the Rich, but Likes the Poor"

Right after:

"Gym Crow"
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Who says we're ignoring race?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

No one should respond to 12barblues


She is guilty of scores of offences - including being extremely hostile toward other posters, and showing a complete lack of civil discourse.

If you try to engage her, she will get offended easily.

Then she will insist she is right - and then launch on a tirade against you.

If you try multiple times to be nice to her, she will swing into a frenzy and demand that you be banned from the board.

Stay away from this extremely unstable personality.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Do you? That is interesting. Where do you think the pickup will come from? Posted by: 12BarBlues"

I think it is as much by attrition, the passing of the last Jim Crow generation, as it is by accretion, but the trend is there.

Every time a voter decides, for instance, that affordable health care is no longer a luxury, some component of his politics moves a bit leftward. Every time a voter decides that the Gummint has to do something about the mess on his beach, he trends slightly leftward. Each little impulse that says somebody ought to do something about something and that means the government, he trends a little bit leftward. Right now the impulses and attractors oare definitely on the side of leftward drift. The Conservatives sense this as well, which is why the T-People are so strident. They are trying desperately to halt a leftward drift with nothing to offer but noise.

But the T-s are the numerical check. THEY perceive a leftward drift, and rant against Socialism and Liberalism and every other leftism they can think of.

When they see the motion it is probably there.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

No one should respond to 12barblues


She is guilty of scores of offences - including being extremely hostile toward other posters, and showing a complete lack of civil discourse.

If you try to engage her, she will get offended easily.

Then she will insist she is right - and then launch on a tirade against you.

If you try multiple times to be nice to her, she will swing into a frenzy and demand that you be banned from the board.

Stay away from this extremely unstable personality.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"why isn't the methhead dead yet?"

God's plan...

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Beck University even has an Ivy-style crest—featuring a feather, a buffalo, and the disembodied head of George Washington—and a Latin motto, "Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo" (roughly translated: "Revolution against tyrants, submission to God").
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Excuse me...isn't that a Muslim motto?

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/07/glenn-beck-university-course-syllabus-liberty

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

A great deal of posters on this blog have decided to sidestep the race issue

This is because the democratic party has decided that they will SCREAM RACIST WHENEVER THEY WANT - AND THAT IS THE END OF THE DISCUSSION.


The democrats have ceased to talk about race - it is now a political weapon they use against people they do not like -


And charges of racism have become a way to help sagging poll numbers.

This is the sickness and fraud of the democratic party.

There is no constructive discussion of race - just unfounded and baseless charges of racism.

It has become a joke.

Update on the Violence in Chicago


IN just one night, last night - 13 people shot - 3 dead.

This is just one night - the totals for the entire weekend were not available.


This is REAL VIOLENCE THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED


What has Obama ever done for the inner cities?

All those years as a State Senator, Senator - on book tour -


WHAT HAS OBAMA EVER DONE TO REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN CHICAGO ???


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

why isn't the methhead dead yet? i really don't understand. it's amazing anything that burned out can still find the keys.

Posted by: drindl | July 5, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

brigade experiences this blog this way: As you well know, the insults and snark seem to get a lot more responses than any other posts. ------------------------------------

I sure don't experience the blog that way. I don't read (for the most part) and try not to respond to:

Lengthy articles from non-present writers.
Posts that start out with variants of "Jane, you ignorant sl'ut..."
Posts that contain slogans found on bumperstickers, such as Democraps.
Posts that contain sexual slurs.
Posts that claim that "everyone" or "always" and my personal favorite, "once again".

How about everyone else? Are we guilty of responding only to hecklers? If so, we should change.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


Rev Wright ran a church which was basically the black version of the KKK - that is all you have to know.

Many many blacks in Chicago do NOT agree with a thing Rev. Wright had to say .... ever.

Rev. Wright's church is NOT representative of the black community - it is extremist.

THAT is what YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Not only savagely personal, but in precisely the same terms as any of his othr monikers.

But noa is right, it doesn't matter if he is the same idiot or not... he still has the same obsessive, obnoxious, psychotic 'personality.'

Stalker, misogynist and homophobe.

Posted by: drindl | July 5, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

This is entirely what is wrong with the political system today.

The democrats have taken LICENSE to sterotype and make false charges of racism.

All of a sudden - a discussion about whether to have a massive government program and massive taxes becomes a discussion of whether people are racist.

That is wrong and shameful -

The default of the democrats has become:


If the democrats have nothing to say they say this:


If you do not agree with Obama's taxes, you are a racist.


If you do not agree with Obama's policies, you are a racist.


This is SHAMEFUL AND RACIST AGAINST WHITES.

The democrats are the ones who have POISONED THE POLITICAL SYSTEM.

We have had a political system with has been pretty much free of fighting about race for 30 years - NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE DEMOCRATS START IN WITH THIS GARBAGE.

It is a disgrace.


If anyone should be banned, it is people who take this attitude on this board.

AND the democrats have SET BACK RACE RELATIONS 30 YEARS.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

banned 37/Flowers: If you want to know about Rev. Wright, which you don't, read Eugene Robinson's column on him titled "Where Wright Went Wrong."
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As many posters have stated, notwithstanding whatever cherry-picked approval polls BHO haters choose to cite, BHO wins in 2012 by a substantial margin against any of the people who have indicated an interest in running.

The most promising opponent, Mrs. Phalin, even with her recent alleged "enhancements" and allegedly re-fit wig, loses by 23 POINTS, and wins only SIX states, against BHO according to legit polls and analyses.

Famously, Congresswoman Lynn Jenkins put out a desperate call for a "Great White Hope" to defeat BHO, but that call -- LOL -- has yet to be answered.
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That said, we agree with Courtland Malloy, MoDo, et al., that BHO must start to fight back rather than hope his opposition doesn't come up with a GW hope.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Update on the Violence in Chicago

IN just one night, last night - 13 people shot - 3 dead.


This is just one night - the totals for the entire weekend were not available.

This is REAL VIOLENCE THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED

What has Obama ever done for the inner cities?

All those years as a State Senator, Senator - on book tour -


WHAT HAS OBAMA EVER DONE TO REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN CHICAGO ???

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed and surprised that brigade is not curious about the truth of the stalking charge, instead of painting drindl as somehow paranoid."
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Let's try this again. Drindl accuses ME of BEING Zouk.

==

Very first day you showed up you zeroed right in on drindl with a savage personal attack. You were not new here, and the list of possibilities is very short.

Now you do nothing but snarky attacks and believe yourself to be clever, an opinion nobody shares. You probably are zouk, but if not it scarcely matters as you're completely interchangeable with him.

Heckler. Exactly the right word.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse


12Bar


Anyone who holds the blantantly racist views of ddawd should have their PhD rejected.


Imagine if a White Racist tried to get a PhD -


Would you support a white racist getting PhD ??? Holding those views - or founding a chapter of the KKK on a campus ?

Seriously folks - this stuff has to stopped


It is beyond ridiculous to hold these views.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"@12bar: not sure why you dignify brigade with responses, he's distinguished himself here as a lowlife, nothing but insults and snark, not to mention that shabby habit of altering quoted posts."
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As you well know, the insults and snark seem to get a lot more responses than any other posts. Sick? Maybe. No one here does more of it than you. Sicko.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's try this again. Drindl accuses ME of BEING Zouk.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 3:17 P
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What's your point? If you aren't zouk, wouldn't you be curious about the facts of the stalking charge.

If you ARE zouk, you don't require any proof.
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Verb train wreck.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's try this again. Drindl accuses ME of BEING Zouk.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 3:17 P
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What's your point? If you aren't zouk, wouldn't you be curious about the facts of the stalking charge.

If you aren't zouk, you don't require any proof.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I would like to make 100% clear - White People this year will NOT be voting against the democrats because of Obama's race.


They will be voting against Obama because he was elected on one platform in 2008 - and DID SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Obama made his PLATFORM THE LARGEST COLLECTION OF FRAUDS IN AMERICAN HISTORY.


Unprecedented was the fraud on this platform.

Amazingly - the Whites in America have been giving Obama a fair deal on his race.

In exchange, Obama has unleashed his public relations goons - and leveled FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM AGAINST MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.

This all started with the incident with Bill Clinton in South Carolina and another incident with Gerry Ferraro.


Tim Russert called Obama out on it, but for the most part, Obama has gotten a free pass on these tactics.

Americans are NOT STUPID - they see this for what it is.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Mother Jones has suggested some courses for Glenn Beck University:

* Theories of Self and Other in the Autobiography of Ronald Reagan
* Semiotics of Tricornered Hats
* Mythology 101: Fossils
* Presidential History From Harding to Coolidge
* Oath Keeping
* Semester Abroad in Kenya with Visiting Professor Dr. Jerome Corsi
* Physics of AM Radio Waves
* Fundamentals of Spelling and Grammar CANCELED
* Great Military Heroes: John Wayne
* Intro to Theology: Ayn Rand
* Advanced Marketing Seminar: Rare Gold Coins
* Drama 101: Intro to Alternative Lifestyles
* Psych 301: Paranoia as Therapeutic Alternative
* Wilde, Proust, and Other Homosexual Europeans
* Middle Eastern and Arab Cultures: What's Up With That?
* Literary Masters Colloquium: Cleon Skousen
* Motherhood, Hockey, Hunting: Cultural Convergences
* Studies in Moral Courage: Joe McCarthy
* Counterinsurgency Techniques in Morning Radio
* Phenomenological Epistemology and the Speeches of Barry Goldwater
* Hermeneutics and Homosociality in The Overton Window
* Political Science 300: Reverse Racism and the Modern Presidency
* Colloquium on Great Filmmakers: Mel Gibson
* Gym Crow
* Underwater Conspiracy Weaving

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues wrote,
"Zouk is an online stalker and probably a live one too.
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I'm disappointed and surprised that brigade is not curious about the truth of the stalking charge, instead of painting drindl as somehow paranoid."
----

Let's try this again. Drindl accuses ME of BEING Zouk.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

America,


The Republican party is NOT on your side.


In the just the last few days members of the Republican party have savagely screwed the unemployed, protected the bankstas, trashed Thurgood Marshall, implied rape and incest is part of God's plan, defended BP, threatened to either end social security or screw over 20 million plus people who have paid into the system for at least 20 years by making them wait until age 70 to see their benefits, and screwed homeless veterans with children.....One Week, People! The Greedy Oil Party did all of this in ONE Week! One can only imagine what they'd do if they ever got the keys to the country again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcyxAzdMAn8&feature=player_embedded

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Posted by: DrainYou | July 5, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe

USMC Mike is 100% correct.


If the blacks are voting based ONLY on race, and not policy positions, that is racist.

Sorry - Im sure you are intelligent enough to understand this.

The Rev Wright might have difference views on your intelligence though - you should read up on those views someday.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

If you properly add all the vectors, you might get some kind of drift of the common point. I think the drift will be generally leftward.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 3:05 PM
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Do you? That is interesting. Where do you think the pickup will come from?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


Anyone who holds the blantantly racist views of ddawd should have their PhD rejected.

Imagine if a White Racist tried to get a PhD -

Seriously folks - this stuff has to stopped

It is beyond ridiculous to hold these views.

And we have complete idiots like broadwayjoe and 12bar who are reenforcing this racism against whites.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"[Of course, no one has the balls to seriously write about the 95-97% (in some age groups) the black demographic voted for Obama. Last time I checked, racism is not merely the negative, but also the positive -- namely, the strong preference for a certain race, to the detriment of others.]

Posted by: USMC_Mike | July 5, 2010 10:15 AM"
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What????? I missed this on first read.
Hey, pal, stormfront is three blocks down and turn right, waaay right. Jeez.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse


@12bar: not sure why you dignify brigade with responses,
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Sometimes I don't know why either.

Brigade showed much promise when he first appeared, in an environment of poor conservative postings. We have our ghost, 37th, who no one reads or responds to. Then cannula and armpeg who are almost unintelligible. And zouk who might have something to say, but insists on posting what other (nonpresent) conservative writers say.

Now Brigade has descended to the easiest style in the world: that of being an online heckler. Every blog seems to have one: someone who takes potshots and writes one-liners, making no particular point. It's easy, easy, easy to be a heckler. It's difficult to write your own thoughts and put it out there.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Angry Democratic voters will end up being apportioned into: Democratic voters Republican voters Independent voters Stay at home Right? That's what you mean. Posted by: 12BarBlues"

Except that the quantity being measured is angry voters, who as you note are likely to go in many directions. If you properly add all the vectors, you might get some kind of drift of the common point. I think the drift will be generally leftward.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse


Ddawd at 12:09 writes:


Until then, Obama is not a god damn license to act like a jackass.

If people want the racist label put to bed, they can
stop questioning where he was born
stop questioning his religion
stop saying he hates white people
stop pulling out the same 20 seconds of Jeremiah White
Stop carrying guns to our parks with signs calling Obama a niggger.

If people don't want to be called racist, they don't have to vote for Obama. All we ask is that they stop being racist.

That seems fair, don't it?

__________________________________

Rev. Wright's church and its philosophy is a legitimate issue.

The media has basically given Obama a pass on this issue - because they don't want to examine the issues surrounding the racism of a black church.


The TRUTH is that this media pass has done a TERRIBLE DISSERVICE TO THIS NATION.


Instead of discussion the issue, and having a proper national debate, the issue has been swept under the rug.

The MEDIA has created the impression that Obama has been given a pass because he is BLACK. Obama did NOT get the same treatment in the press that a WHITE politician in a similar situation would have gotten.

You think this is good for the political system ?

Quite the contrary, it is horrible for the political system for such a BLANTANT DISPLAY OF PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FOR OBAMA JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.

This is clear - and it is important.


Then you get these clowns like ddawd and broadwayjoe - thinking somehow that it is appropriate to harbor the idea that MILLIONS of people in this country are racist - and somehow Obama has been wronged.

Quite the contrary - a white person with Obama's resume would have never even been considered a serious candidate for President.

Obama was elected BECAUSE he was BLACK.


Not on account of any experience or qualifications -


OR on the basis of a platform which has become the LARGEST COLLECTION OF FRAUDS IN THIS NATION'S HISTORY.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

A vector is a number with two independent values. 9x is a vector with values9,x 9y is a vector with values 9,y.

==

Independent --> orthogonal

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"...[the midterms] will surely be devastating for Democrats running in an election that will be a referendum on the Obama agenda," predicted one senior Democratic operative..."

This is hilarious. I'll bet this dork actually said "...will be a referendum on the democrap statist, socialist, free lunch Obama agenda..." but then no one would believe it was coming from a senior Democratic operative, so you had to clean it up a bit. Am I right, Chris?

Posted by: shrink2 | July 5, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

@12bar: not sure why you dignify brigade with responses, he's distinguished himself here as a lowlife, nothing but insults and snark, not to mention that shabby habit of altering quoted posts. Another disappointing conservative, if that's the word for these guys.

@mods: the latest 37th moniker is as bad as ever, exact same jamming as before, please pull the plug again and this time delete his
posts too. Recommend you have legal contact his ISP.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd at 12:09 writes:


Until then, Obama is not a god damn license to act like a jackass.

If people want the racist label put to bed, they can
stop questioning where he was born
stop questioning his religion
stop saying he hates white people
stop pulling out the same 20 seconds of Jeremiah White
Stop carrying guns to our parks with signs calling Obama a niggger.

If people don't want to be called racist, they don't have to vote for Obama. All we ask is that they stop being racist.

That seems fair, don't it?

__________________________________


This is racism against WHITES - there is no other way around it.

First, these are not the issues which are important to America - like the economic crisis and the budget deficits.

Instead, the democrats are using these STEROTYPES against WHITES ONLY -

These tactics are a way to attack WHITES for their POLICY VIEWS.

You don't see the democrats go after blacks for their racism.


The democrats have destroyed ALL PROGRESS ON RACE RELATIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN MADE FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"@12bar: 6 blocks north plus 7 blocks east doesn't sum to 13 blocks north. CC's GOP sycophancy cherry picks and distorts and as Rising becomes more absurd, so does the desperation of his spin.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 2:40 PM"
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Fix's "article" is reminiscent of those anti-BHO pundits' analyses during the BHO/HRC primary that told us whites wouldn't vote for BHO, particularly in states like Pa., Va., and N.C. Of course, they were wrong. One is certainly entitled to express personal BHO hate in the media, just don't call it "news" or "analysis."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse


Ddawd at 12:09 writes:


Until then, Obama is not a god damn license to act like a jackass.


____________________________________

Is it not the democrats who are using Obama as an excuse to make FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM ????

This is shameful.


And Obama brought his children to Rev. Wrights church for year - that church is nothing less than a black version of the KKK.


If a white politician did the equivalent, the media would be slamming the guy day and night.

This is the problem: OBAMA HAS BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH THINGS BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I also want to endorse ddawd's 12:09 post.

Should we start calling him Dr. ddawd...you know, to get in practice. Smartypants anyway.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd at 12:09 writes: AND NOW BROADWAYJOE AGREE WITH THIS:


Until then, Obama is not a god damn license to act like a jackass.

If people want the racist label put to bed, they can
stop questioning where he was born
stop questioning his religion
stop saying he hates white people
stop pulling out the same 20 seconds of Jeremiah White
Stop carrying guns to our parks with signs calling Obama a niggger.

If people don't want to be called racist, they don't have to vote for Obama. All we ask is that they stop being racist.

That seems fair, don't it?


____________________________________


This is entirely what is wrong with the political system today.


The democrats have taken LICENSE to sterotype and make false charges of racism.


All of a sudden - a discussion about whether to have a massive government program and massive taxes becomes a discussion of whether people are racist.


That is wrong and shameful -


The default of the democrats has become:


If the democrats have nothing to say they say this:


If you do not agree with Obama's taxes, you are a racist.

If you do not agree with Obama's policies, you are a racist.

This is SHAMEFUL AND RACIST AGAINST WHITES.


The democrats are the ones who have POISONED THE POLITICAL SYSTEM.


We have had a political system with has been pretty much free of fighting about race for 30 years - NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE DEMOCRATS START IN WITH THIS GARBAGE.


It is a disgrace.

If anyone should be banned, it is people who take this attitude on this board.


AND the democrats have SET BACK RACE RELATIONS 30 YEARS.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The RRT (Republican Revival Template) want to add angry Democratic voters to angry Republican voters and get Republican voters, not the same thing at all.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 2:35 PM
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Thanks for the vector definition.

Angry Democratic voters will end up being apportioned into:

Democratic voters
Republican voters
Independent voters
Stay at home

Right? That's what you mean.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd at 12:09 writes:


Until then, Obama is not a god damn license to act like a jackass.

If people want the racist label put to bed, they can
stop questioning where he was born
stop questioning his religion
stop saying he hates white people
stop pulling out the same 20 seconds of Jeremiah White
Stop carrying guns to our parks with signs calling Obama a niggger.

If people don't want to be called racist, they don't have to vote for Obama. All we ask is that they stop being racist.

That seems fair, don't it?


_____________________________________

This is a shameful and disgraceful comment

It is sterotyping whites - and it is RACIST against whites.

This kind of politics should not be allowed - anywhere.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

@12bar: 6 blocks north plus 7 blocks east doesn't sum to 13 blocks north. CC's GOP sycophancy cherry picks and distorts and as Rising becomes more absurd, so does the desperation of his spin.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

...at 12:09 pm, July 5, dd hit a grand slam. Well done and we totally co-sign.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Zouk is an online stalker and probably a live one too.
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I'm disappointed and surprised that brigade is not curious about the truth of the stalking charge, instead of painting drindl as somehow paranoid.

I'm not talking about the numerous potshots, but the daily threats zouk made earlier this year about his posting her true identity on this blog and his eventual posting of drindl's CV. One doesn't have to take anyone's word for it--it can be verified from 5 year archive.

This clearly qualifies as online stalking, and one wonders what he would do if he lived within driving distance from her. Women are more fearful of stalkers, and for good reason.

I have always wondered why he is so obsessed with just two posters--why just drindl and noacoler? I've asked him myself, and he doesn't respond.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Didn't vote for Gore.

* * * *

didn't vote for Kerry

* * * *

didn't vote for Obama

racist.

Right?

Posted by: [Mooned]| July 5, 2010 11:22 AM"
________________

Based on your prior posts, sounds good to me.

If you say so.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

12bb:
A vector is a number with two independent values. 9x is a vector with values9,x 9y is a vector with values 9,y.

If x and y were in the same direction, you could add them and get 18xy. Since x and y are usually defined so that y and x are perpendicular, (the x/y graph) to add 9x and 9y and get a vector you square both entities, add them, and take the square root. that gives you the scalar part, (the 9 part in x and y) and the arctangent of the ratio of y to x gives you the angle with respect to x that the new vector points.

The RRT (Republican Revival Template) want to add angry Democratic voters to angry Republican voters and get Republican voters, not the same thing at all.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

ade: at the end of the day, we'll wager that Hispanics will vote for Obama over some zenophobic opponent beholden to the teabaggers who supports racial profiling of Latinos and mile-high electrified border fences. Just sayin'.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Zouk is an online stalker and probably a live one too. He traipses after drindl obsessively and follows me around with his ped routine like a lost puppy. What else would you calk his behavior, debating? 100% personal attack, the most luridly personal junk on here, and of course never censured. No matter how vicious or sordid. Why is that, Chris?

Wouldn't surprise me if those models on the mania site took out a restraining order
Or two.

@DDAWD; good response to Mike. Another disappointing conserative.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Republicans, and the Republican Revival template CC works from, misinterpret those demographics,because they try to combine non congruent vectors in a scalar way. You cannot add 9x and 9 y and get 18 xy.
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Take me to school on this, please. Non congruent vectors?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

USMC_Mike:
I hope you enjoyed your semi annual beer.

Reporting that inordinate numbers of blacks are in prison, or that inordinate numbers of Asians have college degrees isn't particularly racist, just statistics.

Noting the portions of Whites, Asians, Blacks, or Hispanics who voted how is also statistics, and you may be assured politicians are interested in those demographics.

Republicans, and the Republican Revival template CC works from, misinterpret those demographics,because they try to combine non congruent vectors in a scalar way. You cannot add 9x and 9 y and get 18 xy.

But that is what CC's sources are trying to do. There ARE still enough white voters that they can elect most candidates to office at most levels, but only if EVERY white voter votes for the same candidate. When the non non white vote doesn't behave monolithicly, how the other demes split becomes important. Maybe that is racist, but it is also realpolitic.

CC's template seeks any evidence of Republican Resurgence. If misinterpreting White demographics will produce that evidence, by all means misinterpret.

But remember, whites are unemployed and whites are exhausting their unemployment benefits even as they face a particular dearth of employment opportunities, and whites also remember. Whites get sick, too, and really need affordable health care. whites watched the banking system try to disassemble, along with their uninsured savings. Whites are losing their homes. Whites DO remember.

Measure the real component vectors of white motivation at the polls in November and perhaps the republican component of the various vector sums isn't nearly large enough to elect all those Republicans.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 5, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

@Mike - It's simplistic to note the fraction of black voters who voted for Obama and conclude racism. The Democratic share of the black vote is generally in the low 90s and thus Obama's candidacy, *even* *if* *you* *assume* *race* *was* *the* ***ONLY*** *factor*, only moved the needle a few points. The most apt comparison would be Bill Clinton's share of the white and black vote as he beat Bush 41 by the same fraction (43 - 37 vs. 53 - 47) and was a Democrat.

There are race gaps. Gender gaps, too. Crying racism or sexim

I assume rough sledding for the Democrats this fall given poor economic conditions, the natural tendency of the president's party to lose seats at the first mid-term, and the fact that Democrats have won seats in what are generally considered safe Republican seats. If you're feeling smug, think back to Gingrich in early '95. Clinton beat Dole by 10 points.

Note to the Fix. 37th is off the range again. I think it's ready for another timeout.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 5, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

brigade,

I have never accused you of being "the guy". Why don't you ask her WHY she thinks she's been stalked? You might be enlightened.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

At least Bush gave it a shot. Hey, Hispanics, how's that hopey-changey thing working out?
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Yes, Bush did give it a shot, and I am naive enough to believe his attempt was sincere. But, his own party shotgunned the issue to a quick death. Maybe that's where the hope for Hispanics supporting the Republican party died.

In 2008, Hispanics voted 2 to 1 for the Democrats, maybe because of the prior hostile reception at the hands of the R's.

So, do you predict that Hispanics are now going to turn back to the Republican party? Is that your underlying point? Or exactly what is your point?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues
"Instead of taking potshots, why don't you ask her why she knows this guy stalked her? That is, if you are curious."

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Because, poor soul, she has accused me of BEING "this guy." Keep up please.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe is another who teeters on the brink. It is not racism but stupidity that causes black voters to offer themselves in voluntary servitude on the Democratic plantation. When you consistently vote 95% for one party and insult the other party, you can expect to get Jack Squat in return. Your vote is in the bank.

Obama's real trouble is with Hispanics. That is why we had the immigration speech. With the presidency and both houses of Congress under their control, the Dems are going to do absolutely nothing on immigration, except maybe sue Arizona for passing a law virtually identical to federal law which Obama is derelict in refusing to enforce. At least Bush gave it a shot. Hey, Hispanics, how's that hopey-changey thing working out?

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

She even fantasizes that this imaginary individual is stalking her. Truly patheic and psychotic.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 1:37 PM
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Instead of taking potshots, why don't you ask her why she knows this guy stalked her? That is, if you are curious.

Every regular poster on this board has seen the evidence of stalking, including myself.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

P.S. I did vote for President Obama but I have found he said one thing on the campiagn trail in 2008 and is doing something else once he arrived in Washington. Therefore I doubt that I shall vote for him in the future.

Posted by: mwhoke | July 5, 2010 12:10 PM
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Don't be surprised if someone here calls you a Republican troll. Many of the liberal regulars do not believe such a person exists as someone who voted for Obama but is disappointed in his performance.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I see Drindl's back with nothing to say, as usual. She's the one who's convinced herself that all conservative posters are really the same person using muliple monikers. Since her whole life comes down to lurking on liberal blogs, this delusion allows her the comfort of thinking someone else is in equally bad shape. She even fantasizes that this imaginary individual is stalking her. Truly patheic and psychotic.

Posted by: Brigade | July 5, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

It wouldn't matter who is President, people would find fault with his agenda. Americans want immediate solutions to problems. There are no immediate solutions to the problems we're facing. Some of these problems have been festering for decades.

No President since FDR has been faced with so many pressing issues that need to be addressed all at the same time. This President needs credit for tackling or trying to tackle the problems. Just think if McCain had been elected, what would we be saying about how he was handling the job? I dare say, the reviews would be just as bad or worse.

Look at how many Representatives and Senators have been in office for more than a decade. They are responsible for the mess we're in so how can we expect them to be a part of the solution? The only way out is to set term limits and enact campaign finance reforms. For too long elected officials have used their seniority as a way to win re-election. If they knew they were term limited they might do a better job of focusing on the issue and wouldn't spend so much time on raising funds for their re-election campaigns or bowing in to special interest groups.

Posted by: Nevadaandy | July 5, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't the methhead dead yet? He never stops typing.

Posted by: drindl | July 5, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

It's such a nice day zoukie -- where's the boat and the fantasy family?

Posted by: drindl | July 5, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd at 12:09 writes:


Until then, Obama is not a god damn license to act like a jackass.

If people want the racist label put to bed, they can
stop questioning where he was born
stop questioning his religion
stop saying he hates white people
stop pulling out the same 20 seconds of Jeremiah White
Stop carrying guns to our parks with signs calling Obama a niggger.

If people don't want to be called racist, they don't have to vote for Obama. All we ask is that they stop being racist.

That seems fair, don't it?

______________________________________


The problem is that there are people in this country who are using RACIST CHARGES to smear people - who are not racist.

No one wants to get into this argument - because so many people are now MAKING FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.

A charge of racism should not be a political weapon - to be pick up anytime one's poll numbers are down.


AND that is what Obama has done - against Bill Clinton in South Carolina - and Gerry Ferraro - and against the Tea Party opposing the massive taxe increases - FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.

On this issue, Obama HAS PERSONALLY SET BACK RACE RELATIONS.

And Obama doesn't even have the guts to do it himself - he sends his henchmen out to do it.

ALL THESE CHARGES ARE RACIST AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE.

Obama's conduct in these instances ARE SHAMEFUL, PREJUDICE AND RACIST.

That is the truth -


and I really do not like your posting at 12:09 because if YOU are calling someone a racist - based not on their statements - but based on the statements of someone else, then you are a racist too.

Yes, this posting at 12:09 is OFFENSIVE AND RACIST AGAINST WHITES.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd


Your posting at 12:09 is a complete disgrace.

I could come up with some offensives statements and actions of a few people in the democratic party - and claim that it represents ALL democrats - but I don't do that -


Because it is STEROTYPING AND PREJUDICE.

Again - you are attempting to SMEAR ALL REPUBLICANS by citing the actions of a few people.


There are NOT large amounts of people carrying signs to the parks - OK, you can drop that and your position is really silly.

Furthermore - the questions about Rev. Wright are ENTIRELY LEGITIMATE.

The reason is not just those 20 seconds - the questions are based ON THE ENTIRE PHILOSOPHY OF THAT CHURCH.

Obama brought his children to that church, week after week, year after year - so one can not say that Obama didn't know about the church's teachings.

That church was a BLACK VERSION OF THE KKK - it preached difference between the white race and the black race - to some crazy things like saying that the brains of black children were different from the brains of white children.


On the contrary - you want Obama to get a pass, because he is black. You want special treatment FOR Obama because he is black.

You CLAIM you are working on your PhD - however you demonstrate a complete lack of basic reasoning skills - and I really doubt your abilities.


There are NOT large groups of people in this country doing the things you say - and that is a basic flaw in what you are saying.

AND you insists on smearing millions of people with these sterotypes.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I challenge the implication of this article - that somehow a large percentage of white voters are motivated by race - instead of by policy differences.

If the same person voted Republican previously, one can not even make the argument that that person CHANGED their vote based on race - because that person have voted for the same party and policies all along.

I ALSO CHALLENGE THE PREMISE THAT ALL BLACKS SHOULD BE VOTING DEMOCRATIC.

This is the basic flaw in the reasoning here - the idea that blacks, because they are black, should be voting for democrats.

So, blacks are not allowed to have policy differences ???

The very fact that the blacks ARE voting in a block indicates that the blacks are voting MORE BASED ON RACE THAN THE WHITES ARE.

Anyway - an examination of the black community is called for -

Blacks should be CHALLENGED TO VOTE ON POLICY AND NOT ON RACE.


If there was no racial voting in the black community, you would see a split in the voting patterns of blacks closer to the national voting patterns of the entire population.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent voter and I attempt to stay well informed about the issues.

I am seriously concerned about the inability of many to find a job and the solutions that those in Washington have initiated appear to be failing.

I am concerned about the housing market and those of us outside Washington always thought it was insane to allow Fannie and Freddie to approve mortgages that could not afford them.

I do believe that the Federal government spends way too much and also taxes us way too much.

When it comes time to vote this November I will look at the candidates positions and attempt to find one that I trust to respond to these concerns and not one that is going to say one thing and do another.

P.S. I did vote for President Obama but I have found he said one thing on the campiagn trail in 2008 and is doing something else once he arrived in Washington. Therefore I doubt that I shall vote for him in the future.

Posted by: mwhoke | July 5, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

USMC, if the US ever elects a President who speaks in ebonics, I'll never accuse anyone of racism ever again. Like, I could see a guy clad in white sheet dragging a black guy tied to the back of his truck and I'll say "he probably insulted the guy's momma"

Until then, Obama is not a god damn license to act like a jackass.

If people want the racist label put to bed, they can
stop questioning where he was born
stop questioning his religion
stop saying he hates white people
stop pulling out the same 20 seconds of Jeremiah White
Stop carrying guns to our parks with signs calling Obama a niggger.

If people don't want to be called racist, they don't have to vote for Obama. All we ask is that they stop being racist.

That seems fair, don't it?

Posted by: DDAWD | July 5, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The one thing Comrade Obama and the Democrap Socialist Party doesn't have to worry about is that they'll lose the black vote. These racists voted for Comrade Obama by 97% and they'll do so again, and again, and again, no matter how badly he governs/dictates. They don't care if he's a total incompetent (as he is), that he was a Communist and a racist white and America--hater for all of his adult life, if the economy gets even worse than the Great Depression of '29, or if every American is standing in a soup line somewhere, all they care about is that one of their tribal members is president. It's a "black thing", i e racial solidarity!

Posted by: armpeg | July 5, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Last night in Chicago - not the whole weekend - 12 people were shot - with 4 dead.


The bloggers on this board were subjected to a rant by broadwayjoe about the supposed threat posed by white militia.

First of all, these militias are not "white" - many of them have black members - who go out to the "woods" and train too.

However, these militias are HARMLESS - they have done NOTHING.


And yet, we hear broadwayjoe rant.


And in Chicago last night, 12 people were shot - with 4 dead.


Where is the real threat ? Where is the real violence ???


This is a valid point.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

USMC_Mike


YOU are 100% correct


You say:

Vote for Hillary or you're sexist
Vote for Barack or you're racist

and then you say:


These arguments perpetuate racism by reducing our choices and all of the factors in them to merely the color of our skin. It ignores variables like geography, education, work ethic, morality, upbringing, etc.


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It is time that this whole line of thought gets thrown out completely.


This kind of talk is ACTUALLY SETTING BACK RACE RELATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY.

And it is giving blacks an identity crisis - instead of emphasizing integration - the focus is on the differences - and on hate.

Future historians will view this period in history as a RETURN TO RACISM - VERY SIMILAR TO THE JIM CROW ERA.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 5, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Only 29% of Americans believe the Obamacrat Spendulus helped the economy.
The new survey found that just 29% believe last year's economic stimulus plan has helped the economy while 43% believe it hurt. Not surprisingly, there is little appetite for another round. By a 69% to 15% margin, voters believe tax cuts is a better way to create jobs rather than more government spending.
And before the Obama fanboys dismiss these as typical bitter-clinger Americans who don't want to give a black man any credit, bear in mind that 73% of economists also think the Spendulus accomplished squat.

The notion that borrowing billions from the Chinese and using it to pay bureaucrats to watch porn (i.e. Obamanomics) (Democrats, by the way, earlier this year pulled a bill from the House Floor that would have punished bureaucrats for watching porn on the job) is being rejected everywhere but the White House and Temple of the Obama Fanboys. Even the Europeans are backing off from socialism, while Chairman Zero pathetically begs them to spend more money so he doesn't look bad.

And it just keeps coming; over the weekend, Chairman Zero announced that $2 Billion in federal subsidies will be used to create 5,100 mostly temporary solar-energy jobs; which works out to $392,000 per job.

Posted by: Moonbat | July 5, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Didn't vote for Gore.

Anti poodle

didn't vote for Kerry

anti gigolo windsurfer

didn't vote for Obama

racist.

Right?

Posted by: Moonbat | July 5, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The analysis begs the question: but do elections really matter anymore -- in a nation that has surrendered due process under the law, and civil and human rights guaranteed under the Constitution, to a Homeland- administered regional fusion center shadow government?

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OBAMA INVOKES TESLA, INVENTOR BEHIND MICROWAVE TORTURE TOWERS -- CODED WARNING TO U.S. FUSION CENTER FELONS?

• American University policy address referencing American immigrant inventor Nikola Tesla a harbinger of an Apollo Project-like push to develop "scalar wave electromagnetics" as a source of cheap, inexhaustible energy?

• Indication that Obama knows the technology is being used by federal-local multi-agency "fusion centers" to inflict silent torture and impairment on extrajudicially "targeted" citizens...

...and that he's using his executive powers to bring those responsible to justice?

For the rest of the story:

http://nowpublic.com/world/obama-invokes-tesla-inventor-behind-microwave-torture-towers OR
http://NowPublic.com/scrivener (lede articles and links therein)

Posted by: scrivener50 | July 5, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Another perfectly predictable right wing shibboleth. I never heard anyone say that a vote against Obama was racist, that is complete garbage. Who would need a dodge line that, when a vote for the other guy was so clearly idiotic? McCain was loopy, childish, impulsive, and deranged, to say nothing of the betrayal of responsibility in putting a brainless fundamentalist a heartbeat away from the nuclear weapons.

It's not racism to vote for someone one identifies with. Otis racism to refuse to vote for someone because you don't like his race.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 5, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

CC, Happy Independence Day Weekend from Baghdad. Hope you get some well-deserved time off.

I'm a little concerned with the unwritten thesis of this article, which I'm sure the loons will pick up on: White people won't vote en masse for D's 2010, and maybe not for Obama in 2012 [and here comes the looney left] therefore they are racist.

I resented this argument in 2008, and I continue to resent it.

Vote for Hillary or you're sexist
Vote for Barack or you're racist

These arguments perpetuate racism by reducing our choices and all of the factors in them to merely the color of our skin. It ignores variables like geography, education, work ethic, morality, upbringing, etc.

I think it's dangerous to make even an innocent observation like "White people vote..." or "Black people vote..."

[Of course, no one has the balls to seriously write about the 95-97% (in some age groups) the black demographic voted for Obama. Last time I checked, racism is not merely the negative, but also the positive -- namely, the strong preference for a certain race, to the detriment of others.]

Posted by: USMC_Mike | July 5, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

The theme of the article -- BHO has trouble with white voters -- is offensive, untrue (see, e.g., BHO's win in Iowa), and sad.

In 2010, it is tiresome to read in the Post that politicians need to concentrate on winning white voters, and to heck with non-white voters. Most MSMers looking at the long term point out Latinos are by far the fastest growing demographic and whites will be in the minority in a decade or so. Yet this piece chooses to concentrate on a dwindling demographic. Huh?
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That most of the comments posted to the main article seem to have come from the stormfront crowd confirms it perhaps should not have made it to print. Good news: this faux news/analysis highlights what BHO is up against within the anti-BHO segments of the media in 2012.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 5, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

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