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Super Duper Tuesday: The Winners and Losers

It was a long -- and exciting -- day (and night) of primaries with Sen. Blanche Lincoln's (D) Lazarus-like performance in the Arkansas runoff and state Rep. Nikki Haley's (R) surprisingly strong showing in the South Carolina gubernatorial primary the two biggest stories nationally.

With a total of 12 states from Maine to California voting, Super Duper Tuesday produced its fair share of winners (and losers). Rather than rehash the obvious ones, however, the Fix spent the wee hours of the morning poring over election results and talking to smart strategists about their takes on what happened -- and why.

Our first cut at the bests and worsts from the night that was is below. Have thoughts of your own? Add them to the conversation in the comments section below.

WINNERS

Republican women: For a party struggling to break the stereotype that it is controlled by old white men, Tuesday's primaries were a major victory for the GOP. From Haley to Nevada Senate nominee Sharron Angle to former eBay CEO Meg Whitman and former Hewlett Packard executive Carly Fiorina in California (and add New Mexico gubernatorial nominee Susana Martinez who won last week), it's clear that Republicans have a slate of candidates they can take to the American public to make the case that the face of the Grand Old Party has changed in a fundamental way.

Bill Clinton: In a world of too-cautious politicians unwilling to stick their collective necks out, the former President stands out. Clinton went into Arkansas hard and heavy for Lincoln -- deriding organized labor for its involvement and creating the "us versus them" dynamic that the incumbent successfully seized in the waning days of the primary. Don't forget that Clinton also endorsed Chad Causey, Rep. Marion Berry's chief of staff, in the Arkansas 1st district runoff (he won) and was behind state Senate President Libby Mitchell in the Maine Democratic primary for governor (she won). Clinton proved Tuesday (as he did in the Pennsylvania special election last month) that he is the party's best closer, the one person you want on your side in the dying days of a tight race. He's the political Mariano Rivera.

Sarah Palin: The former Alaska governor's endorsement record has been spotty -- and unpredictable -- so far this year but it's hard to dispute that her support for Haley and former Hewlett Packard executive Carly Fiorina in the California Senate primary made some significant difference. Palin is building a group of "mama grizzlies" -- conservative Republican women -- who, if she does decide to run for president in 2012, could form one of the building blocks of such a bid.

Murphy Putnam: The Democratic media firm is on a roll. Less than a month after guiding Rep. Mark Critz to victory in a Pennsylvania special election, the firm helped steer Lincoln through a political minefield to an amazing, upset victory. While the ad featuring Bill Clinton is getting most of the credit for Lincoln's victory, her to-camera confessional commercial ("I know you're angry at Washington," she said. "Believe me, I heard you on May 18.") may have been the one that closed the deal with undecided voters.

Republican Governors Association: Take a step back from Tuesday's results and you see an impressive slate of gubernatorial candidates forming on the Republican side. From Whitman to Haley to Martinez to former U.S. district judge Brian Sandoval in Nevada, the RGA has successfully created a diverse group that can be sold to voters and, almost as importantly, donors.

Jon Lerner: Lerner may be the best Republican consultant you've never heard of. Lerner was the strategic force behind Haley's campaign -- guiding her from a protege of Gov. Mark Sanford through the allegations of infidelity leveled at her and to her current status as the near-certain GOP nominee and favorite in the fall. Lerner was also intimately involved in Angle's rise in Nevada as he oversaw the Club for Growth's campaign in the state.

Stephen Strasburg: 14 strikeouts! Seven in a row! A win in his first big league outing for the Washington Nationals. Single-handedly reviving excitement about baseball in the nation's capital. Not bad for a night's work.

LOSERS

Organized labor: National unions -- from the American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees to the Service Employees International Union -- made it clear that they wanted to make an example of Lincoln. And, in the final 72 hours before the runoff, confidence in union (and national liberal) circles shot through the roof. But, after $10 million in spending on ads, direct mail and voter identification and turnout efforts, labor had nothing but a loss to show for it. Top union strategists insisted that even in defeat they had proved their point and that Democratic incumbents would be far less willing to cross them in the future. Maybe. But elections are about winning and losing. And, labor lost big time on Tuesday night.

Scandal politics: In retrospect, the infidelity allegations leveled at Haley in the race's final week (or so) look like somewhat transparent attempts to slow her momentum. While her political opponents -- and, by that, we don't necessarily mean the three candidates running against her -- believed that chatter about Haley's personal life would derail her, the opposite happened. Turnout soared and Haley's 49 percent showing in a four-way field -- not to mention the quasi-endorsement from the RGA that came late Tuesday night -- virtually ensured she would win the June 22 runoff against Rep. Gresham Barrett.

Jim Gibbonses: Nevada Gov. Jim Gibbons (R), who has been plagued by scandal from almost the day he took office in 2007, lost his re-nomination bid to former U.S. District judge Brian Sandoval by nearly 30 points. Former Iowa State wrestling coach Jim Gibbons, who was touted as a top candidate by House Republicans, was pinned (heyooo!) by state Sen. Brad Zaun for the chance to take on Rep. Leonard Boswell (D) in the 3rd district.

Dean Heller: Sharron Angle's win in the Senate Republican primary is evidence of how fluid -- and weak -- the GOP field to take on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D) really was. Had Heller, who represents the 2nd district, decided to run he would have walked to the GOP nomination and, today, would have been a solid favorite to beat Reid. Why didn't Heller run? Because he knows embattled Sen. John Ensign (R) is up for re-election in 2012 and that seat could well be his for the taking. Heller could well have the last laugh if Ensign retires or is forced out but Tuesday night's result suggest he missed an opportunity -- and a big one.

Chicken bartering: Thanks to former Nevada Republican state party chairwoman Sue Lowden, the bartering of chickens as a solution to the health care woes of this country will be forever dismissed. And just when bartering was starting to make a comeback!

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 9, 2010; 11:31 AM ET
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Comments

Im actually rooting for Alvin Greene to win.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 9, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

brigade: there is an old saying, when you have
dug a hole its best for you to stop digging and showing your ignorance.

apparently in your delusional world Obama should be blamed for the economic meltdown in 2008 when he wasn't even in office and given no credit for the turnaround in markets starting in March 2009 weeks after he was sworn in. Typical right wing logic. If you don't have the facts on your side just make things up.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

brigade: there is an old saying, when you have
dug a whole its best for you to stop digging and showing your ignorance. Nov 3, 2008 the DOW is at 9300, March 2, 2009 its at 6723 and
briefly touched the Haynes bottom of 6500.
The problem with your so called ananlysis is that ignores one minor problem. That George Bush and Hank Paulson were running the show
from Nov 3 until January 20, 2009. And between March 2, 2009 and June 9, 2010 the DOW has done what? Did I hear up 3200 points or 50%.
Yea all socialists are good for the stock market. And under 8 years under Bush the DOW was actually down -.01% under great R ecoomic policies. But those are facts, something brigade you seem to struggle with being too busy throwing insults out about matters you have no grasp of.

By the way do you have ANY IDEA what Bush and
Paulson proposed in December 2008? NATIONALIZING THE BANKS. And you call that what? Did I hear you now calling Bush and Hank Paulson socialists?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

i saw ms. fiorina's impassioned victory speech tuesday night on c-span. she certainly has the 40-year-old gop talking points down pat. she also said some things that are so patently stupid that one wonders how informed she is.

she said elected officials have NOT been held "accountable," apparently a slam on her november opponent, barbara boxer. not "accountable"? huh? exactly what does she think elections are about?

carly also pretty much blamed boxer for singlehandedly allowing iran to develop nuclear weapons. what? presumably carly has a secret plan to derail iran's nuclear efforts -- but apparently won't reveal it until AFTER the election.

well, fiorina's campaign is going to be interesting, even entertaining to watch. if nothing else, it will tell the nation how many stupid things a candidate can say in california and STILL get elected to the u.s. senate.

Posted by: jtfloore | June 9, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be an interesting election this November. Looks like the Republicans are going to have a good lineup and choice to offer the people. The Democrats have earned the public's anger by their arrogance and deafness towards the will of the people. But after November we might possibly be able to get some common sense in our government, and then we can hear the wonderful sound of the lefties whining. Oh well.

Posted by: barrysal | June 9, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"Mama grizzlies"? Really? I'm sure it makes for great copy, but really, does anyone take this seriously?

Posted by: jpk1 | June 9, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

As to Palin, she's pretty much not even worth listening to - she's way too narcissist for me, and the way she uses her children to insite hatred and to cover her ignorance is more than enough to dismiss her. In my opinion.

Posted by: julieforBarack | June 9, 2010 7:33 PM
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Uses her children to insite(sic) hatred and to cover her ignorance? My poor dear, I'm afraid that nothing will cover for your ignorance and hatred after such a thoughtless and fact free rant.

Posted by: Brigade | June 9, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

March 2009 Haynes 6500 bottom,weeks after the inauguration, LOOK IT UP CREEP !!!!!!
In early 2009, the Dow dropped to the "generational bottom" of 6,500, Cramer said"

your ignorance and ugliness are appalling.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 8:49 PM
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Your ignorance certainly is appalling, and it's always a pleasure to correct the rants of a loon. The market has no confidence in Obama and his socialist leanings. You want to track the market from its lowest point but fail to mention that the low point was reached during HIS
administration. He has squandered a fortune in stimulus money and the market is about 7% higher than when the fool was elected! This is one of the worst performances in history. Just blame it all on Bush, like some blamed Clinton for 9/11. But I'd stick to blowing hot air and leave the markets to people a bit more savvy than you.

November 3, 2008: Obama is Elected
November 3, 2008: 9326.04 Open
November 4, 2008: 9139.28 Close
January 20, 2009: Obama is Inaugurated
January 20, 2009: 8,279.63 Open
January 20, 2009: 7,920.66 Close
February 17, 2009: Obama signs stimulus package into law.
February 17, 2009: 7,845.63 Open
February 17, 2009: 7,502.59 Close
February 27, 2009: Obama announces budget
Febraury 27, 2009: 7,180.97 Open
March 2, 2009: 6763.29 Close

Posted by: Brigade | June 9, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"(What is the opposite of superlative?) "

In Nevada it would appear that the logical complement of superlative is Republican Candidate. particularly Sharon Angle.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 9, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

lying crook? What the h*** do you know about Bill White to make such a trashy statement?
I have lived under his governance for the last
6 years and Rs and D business people in Houston revere Bill White, including the pillars of our community. Where were you when Katrina devistated N.O. br doubt you have ever even been to Texas or Houston and yet you make ugly hateful statements about our fine mayor. Brigade we didn't run into you at the Astrodome doing volunteer work, apparently you were too busy at your salon, unlike Mayor White and thousands of Houstonians under his direction. Apparently you have nothing positive to say about anyone brigade you must have a miserable unhappy life.

March 2009 Haynes 6500 bottom,weeks after the inauguration, LOOK IT UP CREEP !!!!!!

In early 2009, the Dow dropped to the "generational bottom" of 6,500, Cramer said"

your ignorance and ugliness are appalling.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"...she uses her children to insite hatred..."

The word is spelled "incite". If you are going to smear someone, please use correct grammar and spelling.

BTW, leftists are filth. So what's your problem?

Posted by: Azarkhan | June 9, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I find this "Brigade" person really offensive. Talks about Democrats like they are filth, and really, I do consider the source. I've worked since I was 15 years old, and I'm now 54. I've voted both ways, but now will not vote GOP. I have many reasons, none of which I'm going to relate, and I've never been easy. I do, however, put a lot of thought into my vote, and a whole lot of research, and there's no way I'm going to vote for a GOP for at least the next 6 years until they get the right-wing zealots out. As to Palin, she's pretty much not even worth listening to - she's way too narcissist for me, and the way she uses her children to insite hatred and to cover her ignorance is more than enough to dismiss her. In my opinion.

Posted by: julieforBarack | June 9, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Organized labor always loses in a right to work state unless the States' Constitutions are tweaked.

It sad too, because the common man is treated so bad at the workplace; because they can be told to take a hike for anything and everything. No due process.

No Justice in the Workplace if it is a right to work state.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | June 9, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

california loses by having Kamala Harris, the SF DA, running for Attorney General on the Demo ticket. She might actually win being a Demo but SF is a disaster area under her aegis: Sanctuary policies flouting Federal law and high-profile cases with illegal alien murderers of innocent bystanders in the city as the drug deals go down; and the complete blow-up of the city's crime lab in scandal leading of 100s of cases being dismissed; and of course her <50% conviction rate on the surviving cases.

Posted by: pioneer1 | June 9, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Chris, another loser is State LG's. Lots of LG's are running in 2010, but many of them have been felled at the primary stage, showing that its not necessarily a good launching pad. Consider:
- Mongiardo lost the KY Senate primary
- Lowden lost in NV
- Baeur came 4th(!) in SC
- Halter lost in AR.

Posted by: JayPen | June 9, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

In case anyone had forgotten what unmitigated scum Republicans are, especially in the south:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl2500

Looks like another in a long line of planted black "straw candidates" designed purely to drum up racial tensions among racist white southerners to ensure a GOP win.

S-C-U-M-B-A-G-S

Posted by: B2O2 | June 9, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

A freeloader is someone who stuffs the comment sections because there's no cost associated with them.

Posted by: mattintx | June 9, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I think people in Nevada will be thrilled that Angle wants to give their hard-earned retirement money to Goldman Sachs to 'manage.' Wouldn't you be?

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 2:26 PM
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Gee, I figure they'd rather let Dungy Harry and his cohorts steal it while they bankrupt the country.

Posted by: Brigade | June 9, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Don't expect rationality from wingers, 12B -- too much to ask.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 2:24 PM
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And don't expect libs to know any more about finance than the size of their last government handout.

Posted by: Brigade | June 9, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

yea since the DOW has moved from 6500 when
Obama took office; yea a 35% upward move is
Obama's fault. Great logic zouk.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 2:10 PM
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The DOW was at 8279 when Obama was inaugurated. If you've got to tell whopping lies like this to sell your story, I guess that explains why you're backing that lying crook White. Better step out and get another bottle. I certainly don't want you managing my fincances or my legal affairs.

Posted by: Brigade | June 9, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

curious what seniors would have done in 2008
had they followed zouk's idea to withdraw
from their depleted private accounts.
Another Bailout would have been in store.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 1:40 PM
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Or they could all have become freeloaders like you.

Posted by: Brigade | June 9, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Carly Fiorina is running against Barbara Boxer for the U.S. Senate, not California Governor.

Posted by: Leathnm | June 9, 2010 12:21 PM
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They don't care what she's running for; they hate her because she's a Republican and actually worked for a living once upon a time.

Posted by: Brigade | June 9, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

mattintx has the BEST VOCABULARY in class. Gynophobe absolutely describes bumblingberry: he wants us, but he fears the power of the second x chromosome.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 9, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

still stuck on stupid???

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse


Gee Chris, you neglected to mention Alvin Greene who won the Democrat senatorial primary in South Carolina.

Why no mention of Greene in your overarching analysis, hmm?

Could it have anything to do with the fact that Alvin Greene the Democrat is charged with felony pornography offenses involving a young college girl? Hmm?

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 9, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

bumble makes a great spokesman for the GynOPhobes.

Posted by: mattintx | June 9, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

simple question zouk since you have all the
answers for the GOP:

if repealing SS and Medicare are such
wonderful ideas, why have we not heard
Chairman Steele, Boehner or McConnell
come right out and advocate for it?

rather than constantly posting insults why can you not respond to a political issue that
you obviously fee so passionately about and advocate here? Is it possible that even your beloved GOP rejects your lunacy?
unlike jake or 37th I really don't care if
you answer and won't ask you again, since we all know how easy the question is.

Posted by: leichtman1
----------------------------------------
Why the need to say anything? No matter what is happening in the country the Dbaggers run a zillion commercials every 4 years that Grandma and GrandPa are going to lose SS.

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

simple question zouk since you have all the
answers for the GOP:

if repealing SS and Medicare are such
wonderful ideas, why have we not heard
Chairman Steele, Boehner or McConnell
come right out and advocate for it?

rather than constantly posting insults why can you not respond to a political issue that
you obviously fee so passionately about and advocate here? Is it possible that even your beloved GOP rejects your lunacy?
unlike jake or 37th I really don't care if
you answer and won't ask you again, since we all know how easy the question is.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

It is tough getting attention at your age isn't it Madge. I guess any attention can be considered good in your situation.

I mean even liberal men prefer good looking women or intelligent women or both. too bad.

Perhaps a makeover. Maybe drivl can lend you the dog clippers.

Posted by: bumblingberry
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You have to keep in mind that liberal women are e a s y.

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Margaret, he's like some deranged loon on a street corner foaming and frothing -- women must really hate him to have wacked him out this much, but who could blame them?

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

It is tough getting attention at your age isn't it Madge. I guess any attention can be considered good in your situation.

I mean even liberal men prefer good looking women or intelligent women or both. too bad.

Perhaps a makeover. Maybe drivl can lend you the dog clippers.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

See? He really CAN NOT get off her.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 9, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I think bumblingberry has developed a new income stream. The non-stop posting over the last couple of weeks looks like someone is paying him by the post. Piece work is so Recession, don't you think?

I hear the income from photographing kiddie birthday parties really dried-up after the nudie model er.... um... art photography activity was exposed. I hear he really WAS looking for coins in couches, so I'm glad for his family.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 9, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

nau·seous   /ˈnɔʃəs, -ziəs/ Show Spelled[naw-shuhs, -zee-uhs] Show IPA
–adjective
causing nausea; sickening; nauseating.
disgusting; loathsome: a nauseous display of greed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ick, margaret that phrasing made me nauseous.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Most of us think you already were.


Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

more accurately "what is drivl"?

driv·el   /ˈdrɪvəl/ Show Spelled [driv-uhl] Show IPA noun, verb, -eled, -el·ing or ( especially British ) -elled, -el·ling.
–noun
1. saliva flowing from the mouth, or mucus from the nose; slaver.
2. childish, silly, or meaningless talk or thinking; nonsense; twaddle.
–verb (used without object)
3. to let saliva flow from the mouth or mucus from the nose; slaver.
4. to talk childishly or idiotically.
5. Archaic . to issue like spittle.
–verb (used with object)
6. to utter childishly or idiotically.
7. to waste foolishly.


Sometimes spelled drindl. Or you can use the definition already presented. they are synonymous.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse


'He cannot get off her.

Posted by: margaretmeyers'

Ick, margaret that phrasing made me nauseous.

But look at his posts, for god's sake. Only someone seriously mentally ill would get that worked up about a total stranger.

Christ, and now he's having bestiality fantasies -- sick, sick, puppy. Women must just laugh in his face.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Who is "drivl"?

Posted by: mattintx |"

Me. The poster who calls himself at different times -- or all at once -- kingofzouk, bumblingberry,moonbat, drivl and brigade -- has this bizarre obsession-- he's basically a stalker-- with me and cannot stop thinking about me every single day.

You see, he has a serious problem with women -- they reject him and he cannot deal with it, so he has to project his hostility on some female.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Conservatives have structured a risk averse portfolio that shifts your assetts from stocks to bonds and cash as you age."

Which is exactly the way I invest, so you are 100% wrong on that.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

He cannot get off her.

Posted by: margaretmeyers


Visions of Catherine the great. Our old goat is not starring as the horse. I always wondered about her barnyard peccidillios. Clearly her husband is into some sort of animal magnetism. Have you seen the scarecrow-esqe photo? Pretty sure the dog groomer, not Hair cuttery is the culprit.

but we were told that ugliness is only skin deep. Unless we're talking about Helen or Claudia, that is.

Helen who?

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

It's not November yet.

In November, there will be Legalize Marijuana Propositions and Initiatives in every Western state.

The massive turnout of voters for that will crush the elitist Republicans and cause a real reform - a massive cut in taxes wasted on the Failed War on Drugs - and prompt ever growing business locally and worldwide.

The Primary is just that - a primary of extremists. It means little - or nothing - in an age when every Western state votes BY MAIL.

Posted by: WillSeattle | June 9, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If a liberal economist makes sense, are they still liberal?

Columbia economist Jeffrey Sachs, a scorched-earth critic of the Bush administration who has made a number of very temperate and persuasive arguments in recent months about how we need to pursue more stable macroeconomic policies. Financial Times.

Keynesian stimulus was premised on four dubious propositions: that it was needed to prevent a global depression; that a short-run fiscal boost would jump-start the economy; that “shovel-ready projects” could combine short-term cyclical and long-term structural agendas; and, last, that the rapid rise of public debt occasioned by stimulus need not be a concern. That these ideas were so widely accepted was a testament to the perennial political attractiveness of tax cuts and spending increases.

In fact, the ubiquitous references last year to the Great Depression were glib; the policymakers had panicked. Adroit central banking could and would prevent depression. The hastily assembled stimulus packages were a throwback to naive Keynesianism. The relevant fact was that the US, UK, Ireland, Spain, Greeceand others had over-borrowed for a decade, so a decline in consumption after 2007 was not an anomaly to be fought but an adjustment to be accepted.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Next question: What or who is "FinanceWhiz"?

Posted by: mattintx | June 9, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Finance Whiz is stuck on stupid again.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

simple but easy question for you zouk:
if repealing SS and Medicare are such
wonderful ideas, why have we not heard
Chairman Steele, Boehner or McConnell
come right out and advocate for it?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

You can't make the argument that the equity and bond markets are safe, but that America is going to tank.

Posted by: 12BarBlues


On the contrary, I predict a recovery beginning around Nov 2 2010 and picking up speed two Novembers after that.

If you intend on liquidating your portfolio before berry is booted from office, you should be very cautious until then.

Finance Whiz seems to think that certain oldsters need all their money at some distinct point in their retirement and this is her case for rejecting any changes whatsoever to the government grab of your savings.

when I was discussing bonds vs stocks, I really meant to say risky/rewarding vs safe/boring such as cash, preferred, blue chip. If you have a long horizon you can play in the NASD type stuff instead. but any conservative already knows this and liberals will never get it.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Ralphtheblasphemer needs a new messiah.

Posted by: mattintx | June 9, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Who is "drivl"?

Posted by: mattintx | June 9, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

drivl's investment advice:

hide your change really well, deep down behind the corner cushions. That way, even if you want a second squishy in one day, you will be forced to wait until tomorrow, when you will want it even more.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This clearly will be long known as THe Year
Republican Women Candidates in places like
Arizona with GOP Gov Jan Brewer and over
in California with two strong Governor and
US Senate GOP Candiates out to dethrone the
likes of Democrat Has Beens Jerry Brown and
Babbling Barbara Boxers and the end of the
Dingy Harry Ried and son Rory Reid Political Machine in Nevada all easily going to happen this year...I bet Messiah
and Kenyan Marxist Dictator Failed Chicago
Community Organizer and ACORN Shyster Lawyer Comrade Barack Hussein Obama must be
foaming at the mouth over this latest bad
news for his whacko Liberal Agenda!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | June 9, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Let's compare GS profit to GM. One is privately run by some of the best in the country, the other, run by berry, the pamphleteer.

Average return under socialist security - minus 2.1%

Liberals think this is a great way to store your savings.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

This clearly will be long known as THe Year
Republican Women Candidates in places like
Arizona with GOP Gov Jan Brewer and over
in California with two strong Governor and
US Senate GOP Candiates out to dethrone the
likes of Democrat Has Beens Jerry Brown and
Babbling Barbara Boxers and the end of the
Dingy Harry Ried and son Rory Reid Political Machine in Nevada all easily going to happen this year...I bet Messiah
and Kenyan Marxist Dictator Failed Chicago
Community Organizer and ACORN Shyster Lawyer Comrade Barack Hussein Obama must be
foaming at the mouth over this latest bad
news for his whacko Liberal Agenda!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | June 9, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't take investment advice from people who can't spell "asset." Does that make me conservative?

Posted by: mattintx | June 9, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Don't expect rationality from wingers, 12B -- too much to ask.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 2:24 PM
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One area in my life where politics is banned, is "making money". What I post here about making money, is my own hard earned experience. Believe me, I've tried every "can't miss" technique, and there is no easy way or automatic, no risk way, to make money. You can make 1/2 of one percent, but not real money.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I think people in Nevada will be thrilled that Angle wants to give their hard-earned retirement money to Goldman Sachs to 'manage.' Wouldn't you be?

Posted by: drindl
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I would be thrilled if the hard-earned money was confiscated and "redistributed" for socialistic purposes. Wouldn't you be ?

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Liberal methods:

Another just-reached tipping point makes it harder for Congress to paper over its excess spending. Social Security is now operating in the red, six years earlier than expected. Until recently, Social Security payroll taxes were Uncle Sam’s cash cow, subsidizing other federal programs to the tune of $100 billion–plus annually. Now, all those revenues — and then some — are needed just to cover each month’s Social Security payments.

For now, it’s debt and more debt, as far as the eye can see. And debt is expensive. How expensive? Interest on the national debt will triple over the next six years, to approximately $600 billion per year. By 2017, interest payments on the debt will exceed federal spending on education, energy, transportation, housing, and environmental protection combined.

Last year, 47 percent of all American households paid no income taxes. (It was only 32.6 percent in 2007.) Soon a majority of Americans may see government spending as a free lunch — a fount of more and more benefits that costs them nothing.

The government’s role in our health sector is growing so fast that before long, government programs will account for a majority of all heath-care spending. By 2012, nearly three of every four American children could be eligible for government-run health care. Can we really “bend the health-care cost curve” down when so much health care is “free”?

As dependency soared, economic freedom waned. Last year, the United States fell from the ranks of “economically free” nations, according to Heritage’s Index of Economic Freedom. Today we are the Land of the “Mostly” Free. The prime reason for our historically poor showing: our internationally high levels of debt, spending, and taxation.

But one day, a seemingly random piece of bad news — perhaps a negative report by a rating agency — will make the headlines during an otherwise quiet news cycle. Suddenly, it will be not just a few policy wonks who worry about the sustainability of U.S. fiscal policy but also the public at large, not to mention investors abroad. It is this shift that is crucial: a complex adaptive system is in big trouble when its component parts lose faith in its viability.

Michael G. Franc

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I think people in Nevada will be thrilled that Angle wants to give their hard-earned retirement money to Goldman Sachs to 'manage.' Wouldn't you be?

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Don't expect rationality from wingers, 12B -- too much to ask.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Listen, you can't have it both ways. The only way the average investor is going invest, is in blue chip stocks and bonds. Both of those investments is basically an investment in AMERICA. Neither asset class will do well if AMERICA tanks.

The average guy isn't going to invest in India, China or some emerging market. They're not going to trade currencies or commodities. Nor should they.

You can't make the argument that the equity and bond markets are safe, but that America is going to tank.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives have structured a risk averse portfolio that shifts your assetts from stocks to bonds and cash as you age.
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Surely you jest. Conservatives have different risk profiles? And you day trade?

Anyway, what bonds? You mean U.S. Treasury bonds? You think the government is tanking, and yet the most risk averse strategy is to put your money into laddered U.S. Treasuries.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Every day more money is printed for Monopoly than the U.S. Treasury.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
After another year or two of Obambam, they will be worth about the same.

but hey, over at the Present idential Palace the party never ends.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

you liberals might want to start moving your stuff out of stocks before the Obama effect gits ya.


yea since the DOW has moved from 6500 when
Obama took office; yea a 35% upward move is
Obama's fault. Great logic zouk.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

you liberals might want to start moving your stuff out of stocks before the Obama effect gits ya.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 2:00 PM
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And yet you want Americans to invest their ss money in stocks?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Women are the winners with sympathy for the American people ignored by the liberal left-wing social agenad politics of the Obama administration.

Primaries and polls show the grass roots tea party movements’ wide support from responsible citizens and taxpayers of America who value freedom and independence from Obama’s Democrat Party left-wing politics of big government.

Republican Sharron Angle cruised to victory with endorsements from Tea Party Express, another national tea party group called FreedomWorks and the fiscally conservative Club for Growth.

The tea party movements are more about the people than organizations and political institutions. They all have one unifying desire to vote for Republicans and Independents who will represent the interest of the people. No more run-away Obama spending tax dollars, No more government regulations choking America’s businesses, No more economy of jobless Americans and No more Obama.

Posted by: klausdmk | June 9, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

To consider that Liberals and Progressives will need help with their finances pretty much goes without saying. Conservatives have structured a risk averse portfolio that shifts your assetts from stocks to bonds and cash as you age. Liberals will be surprised to find out you need not maintain high risk/reward mixes until the day you liquidate your savings, for liberals, that is the day right after the huge free fall in the market caused by Obamanomics. you clowns always time it so well.

Posted by: bumblingberry
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It gets better...progressive economics from one of Chicago's leading "edumacators"

A faceoff this morning between Don and Roma....and the head of the Chicago Teachers Union.

John Dempsey ,WLS News
Reporting

June 4, 2010
This week we learned that a 27 million dollar program to pay chicago teachers bonuses if their students did better....did not result in any student performance gains.

Union President Marilyn Stewart defended teacher performance with Don and Roma:

MS: you're trying to stick blame

DW: -yeah am I, because it's tax money that's involved

MS: that was not tax money, that was grant money, that was federal grant money

DW: -that's tax money!

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

How can political pundits (cough:The Fix:cough) escape the loser's list?

It's a damn shame Sue Lowden lost...I would have loved to have seen "Chicken-gate" blow up to a national story.

Posted by: hoos3014 | June 9, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it. Handing social security money to Wall Street:

1. makes Wall Street VERY happy

2. transforms defined benefit plans into defined contribution plans.

3. obscures the transformation in 2) by hinting "you could do even better" and "you can leave your account to your heirs".

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I have retirement accounts that I manage, and when the overall market is good, I do very well. When the market tanks, well, my retirement portfolios tank.

I just think that MOST people want some kind of minimal retirement benefit that is guaranteed. There are already tax advantaged retirement schemes (IRA, 401K, Keough, etc) for those who want to put their money at risk, and yes, perhaps make more money at times.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Give Young Workers the Choice of Opting Out of Social Security"

Big whoop.

I know plenty of workers who "opted out" years ago - when they went to work for the railroad.

Posted by: mattintx | June 9, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Another Bailout would have been in store.

Posted by: leichtman1


the next bailout will be our children when the Obambam bill comes due. I wonder who will be left to bail them out?

Total civilian employment has rebounded by only 1 percent since the depth of the unemployment five months ago. In 1973, at a comparable point, it had rebounded by 7 percent. In 1981, by 8 percent. In 1990, by 4 percent. And in 2001, by 3 percent. U-6, the broadest measure of unemployment, stands at 17.1 percent

Personal savings dropped from a high of almost 6 percent to 2.7 percent in March, 2010, so households have cut their debt by just $300 billion since it peaked in 2008. So household debt, which rose from 60 percent of GDP in 1990 to almost 100 percent in 2008, has only dropped to 97 percent. It has a long, long way to go before it goes down enough to free consumers to spend more

The strengthening of the dollar due to the collapse of the euro will dry up U.S. export trade. Exports to EU nations account for 21 percent of American and 20 percent of Chinese exports. Schwanninger and Sherraden note that "a European slowdown will reduce demand for the two primary engines of world economic growth."

With interest rates set to rise (because the fed is no longer massively purchasing securities to keep them down), taxes set to go up (because of Obama's ideology) and global energy use about to increase, sending prices higher (because the rest of the world is recovering), prices have to go up. But with no growth in real personal income and household credit close to all-time highs, there is not enough demand to pay the higher prices, so a deeper slump will ensue.


you liberals might want to start moving your stuff out of stocks before the Obama effect gits ya.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

You are so right comrade. Individuals are always so irresponsible compared to the goverment..mmm.mmm.mmm.

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 1:29 PM
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Another false choice.

Who believes that Wall Street isn't lobbying like crazy trying to get all these new investments into THEIR hands and out of the Treasury's hands.

The real question is whether you trust Wall Street and their ability to restrain themselves with trillions of new, NAIVE, investor money. Like charging outrageous fees, hidden fees, inappropriate risky investments, complex derivatives and dog IPO's, come to mind.

Americans planning for retirement tend to be risk averse, and have been more than willing to settle for an annuity, rather than having to manage a risk portfolio.


Posted by: 12BarBlues
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Actually I'm in favor of a guaranteed return from Obama’s stash as has been talked about by progressives as a retirement plan. But doesn’t that mean more inflation or more debt which in the long term wipes out my guaranteed return?

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

and you are fully aware that b/w 2001 and 2008
the DOW had a net return of -.01% after a trillion dollar R tax cut. Great R economics.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone now wonder why Finance Whiz went into law instead. There, if you keep repeating the same ignorance over and over, eventually your adversary will crumble just to get you to stop.

Plus there is the inability to compose in actual English language prose.

Maybe Ped could offer you some Memo writing exercises.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"[Clinton's] the political Mariano Rivera".

Which goes to show that people with wildly different body types can perform similar roles, I guess.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | June 9, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

We already knew that Democrat politicians have no sense of real-world economic forces and no appreciation for the lessons learned about the economic stimulus and jobs gained through tax cuts during the Kennedy, Reagan, and Bush II years. What's clearer now is how deep this ignorance about economics goes among those on the left.

Zogby researchers Zeljka Buturovic and Daniel Klein surveyed 4,835 American adults and their answers to eight questions about basic economics. They focused on the wrong answers and subdivided respondents according to their self-described political leanings: progressive/very liberal; liberal; moderate; conservative; very conservative; and libertarian. Their testing scheme allowed for "not sure" as a right answer, since the respondent was recognizing that a question might be part right and part wrong.

The results for these eight questions will only astound those pompous leftist elitists who assume they are always right. Read the article for the nitty-gritty details about each question. In summary:

How did the six ideological groups do overall? Here they are, best to worst, with an average number of incorrect responses from 0 to 8: Very conservative, 1.30; Libertarian, 1.38; Conservative, 1.67; Moderate, 3.67; Liberal, 4.69; Progressive/very liberal, 5.26.
Americans in the first three categories do reasonably well. But the left has trouble squaring economic thinking with their political psychology, morals and aesthetics.
Nuff said. We have the nation's economic nimrods to thank for electing us a president who has absolutely no experience at doing anything except looking for Ahse to kick, and who has a socialistic economic weltanschauung that borrows from just about every bad idea in the European model -- which is crumbling before our very eyes.

To consider that Liberals and Progressives will need help with their finances pretty much goes without saying. Conservatives have structured a risk averse portfolio that shifts your assetts from stocks to bonds and cash as you age. Liberals will be surprised to find out you need not maintain high risk/reward mixes until the day you liquidate your savings, for liberals, that is the day right after the huge free fall in the market caused by Obamanomics. you clowns always time it so well.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

curious what seniors would have done in 2008
had they followed zouk's idea to withdraw
from their depleted private accounts.
Another Bailout would have been in store.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The example of housing given did not relate the relative prices of the units involved. who would buy an old house when a new house was cheaper and better located with better ameneties? Many people who bought high must now sell low and have some notion that their house is worth more than what the Realtor and hence the market is telling them.

If the developer is making money, they will continue to build. with modern building techniques, there are some very cheap shortcuts you can take (siding and tevak) and probably considering the cost of labor, you may be able to offer a nice house for less than 100K when the used ones go for over 150, for example.

this is simply an indication that the market correction is not finished yet in those areas.

Housing prices have dropped by 30 percent since 2006, and "many economists expect housing prices to decline at least another 10 percent," according to Schwanninger and Sherraden.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

You are so right comrade. Individuals are always so irresponsible compared to the goverment..mmm.mmm.mmm.

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 1:29 PM
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Another false choice.

Who believes that Wall Street isn't lobbying like crazy trying to get all these new investments into THEIR hands and out of the Treasury's hands.

The real question is whether you trust Wall Street and their ability to restrain themselves with trillions of new, NAIVE, investor money. Like charging outrageous fees, hidden fees, inappropriate risky investments, complex derivatives and dog IPO's, come to mind.

Americans planning for retirement tend to be risk averse, and have been more than willing to settle for an annuity, rather than having to manage a risk portfolio.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"The former Alaska governor's endorsement record has been spotty -- and unpredictable -- so far this year but it's hard to dispute that her support for Haley and former Hewlett Packard executive Carly Fiorina"

yeah, if only she had endorse Fiorina before she was favored to win!

Posted by: newagent99 | June 9, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Give Young Workers the Choice of Opting Out of Social Security..and then bail them out when
their decision blows up.

I truly hope that leapin , zouk and the rest of the GOP get on board with these fine ideas.
Please, please let Steele know your sentiments.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

RE: The Lincoln Victory In Arkansas.

Anyone out in voter land ever heard of "voter suppression". That's how Lincoln won the run off election.

The "old line" Democrats in Arkansas don't like Halter because they consider him to be a conseated "up-start" who did not wait in line to be "anointed" for his "turn".

When Lincoln nearly lost the primary the "powers that be" decided to change the rules of the game for the run off and they shut down the vast majority of polling places in Garland County (Hot Springs), the county that Halter won in the primary because of the very large number of Senior Citizens.

All of which just proves that Lincoln is a corrupt "Corporate Democrat".

Posted by: mikeconville | June 9, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

@mark in austin,

Have to go to music lesson, so will write back later. Very interesting question about technicals vs fundamentals applied to housing. Have to think about it.

Zouk may have some good insight on this. I look forward to reading his response. [I mean this, zouk.]

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Give Young Workers the Choice of Opting Out of Social Security..and then bail them out when
their decision blows up.

I truly hope that leapin , zouk and the rest of the GOP get on board with these fine ideas.
Please, please let Steele know your sentiments.

Posted by: leichtman1
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You are so right comrade. Individuals are always so irresponsible compared to the goverment..mmm.mmm.mmm.

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

How in the world do you equate the ex- governor of Alaska who decided to quit that position, with Carly Fiorina who indeed could be qualified to run for any higher public office amazes me. Why do the pundits keep interjecting Palin into all politics. She really is irrelevant without their insistence.

Posted by: scottsandy02 | June 9, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

leapin I truly hope that GOP leadership takes
up your call to phase out SS and Medicare.
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Absolutely!

I'll help get the word out.

What can I do?

Move to Nevada, work on Angle's campaign?

Posted by: 12BarBlues
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What you can do is invest and campaign for more high-speed, state of the art, currency printing technology to increase "Obama's stash" and create thousands of "green" jobs for America.

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Consider this:


Financial sector profits make up 35.7 percent of all domestic corporate profits. These gains are driven by trading revenue, which does not reflect real economic growth. Schwanninger and Sherraden report, "In the first quarter of 2010, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Bank of America earned 72 percent, 45 percent and 16 percent of their net revenue (respectively) from trading profits."

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Americans do not believe that is the choice."


Perhaps. But phrasing it any other way destroys the false dichotomy upon which his argument is built.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 9, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's the report on the Montana US House race for the state's lone at-large district. Denny Rheberg, of couse waltzed through the Republican primary with little trouble, running against unfunded unknowns.

The four-way Democratic primary was won by Melville rancher Dennis McDonald, the former chairman of the Montana Democratic primary. But McDonald took just 38 percent of the vote in the primary. Tyler Gernant a Missoula lawyer, had 24 percent, Melinda Gopher, a Missoula-based Indian rights activist took 21 percent and Sam Rankin, a Billingws realtor, took 16 percent.

What is interesting is that Gopher reported no campaign collection or spending and Rankin had just a few thousand dollars.

That may suggest that there is a 62 percent "not-McDonald" vote among Democrats. Of course Gernant and Gopher ran as more liberal than McDonald, so it's unlikely their voters are potential
Rehberg pick-ups. Rankin was the most conservative candidate.

And of course the turnout was relatively small for Montana, which often ranks among the best in percentage of voter turnout. There will be twice as many voters in the general election.

Still, I think McDonald would have perferred a better showing.

Will it be a negative campaign? Maybe. The negatives McDonald raises against Rehberg, is that in spite of his longevity in the house, he has stayed a back-bencher with his name on few pieces of legislation.

Then there is a tempest in a teapot supposed scandal. Rehberg was involved in a boating accident last summer. He was not driving the boat and tested below the .08 Montana DUI standard anyway. But McDonald is trying to make it a poor judgement issue.

On the other hand the Rehberg camp has been trying to make something of McDonald's distant past as an attorney in northern California who represented a mafia figure. McDonald counters that he helped that figure turn state's evidence and credits himself with putting away a chunk of the California mob leadership.

McDonald has not practiced law in more than 20 years in Montana and is presently a legitimate cattle rancher.

Historically, showing ag ties is important in state-wide races in Montana. Rehberg owns a ranch north of Billings. Of Montana's other state-wide office holders, Governor Brian Schweitzer and Senator Jon Tester are both farmers. Sen Max Baucus has ties to one of the largest ranches in the state.

I believe this year's race will be much more interesting than past house races, in which Rehberg spent little effort in defeating unknown, poorly funded Democrats. McDonald has the ties to raise serious money, and running in a contested primary has given him a higher public profile.

Posted by: AlaninMissoula | June 9, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Those crafty and resourceful indians are taking control of unsophisticated conservative southern states (SC, La) in order to transform them and position themselves for even higher office. These people are notoriously racist and very parochial. They want to further infiltrate America so as to lean more in the direction of improving ties to India for the purpose exporting more US jobs overseas. Be very careful what you ask for. Nikki Haley doesn't give a darn about a bunch of backward hayseeds in SC. She has her sights set on higher goals. Those goals include position herself to help those in India secure more American jobs.

Posted by: demtse
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Don't worry. Obama's comprehensive immigration reform will take care of this.

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

leapin I truly hope that GOP leadership takes
up your call to phase out SS and Medicare.
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Absolutely!

I'll help get the word out.

What can I do?

Move to Nevada, work on Angle's campaign?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Give Young Workers the Choice of Opting Out of Social Security..and then bail them out when
their decision blows up.

I truly hope that leapin , zouk and the rest of the GOP get on board with these fine ideas.
Please, please let Steele know your sentiments.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The folks in Arkansas were not going to vote for Halter even if he ran against himself. There is no way someone endorsed by Move On and given 10mm of union money is going to win in that state. He is out of the way, so long, good bye, and now she has to try to survive in November and that WILL NOT happen..The people who really care about this nation will have knocked out two Progressives with one and a half stones. Halter today and Lincoln in the fall..Clinton and Obama had nothing to do with her victory. It was the lesser of two evils... for now..

Posted by: james_m_reilly1 | June 9, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Americans do not believe that is the choice."

Because it is not.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Mark in austin - do not confuse what Dear Leader reads from his prompter with what he actually desires. It is clear he intends to socialize as much of amerika as he can get away with in his short time here.

Unfortunately for him, and to our accrual, Fox news and the Internet (who must be controlled, you know) have exposed and distributed the truth for all to see. the coming election will be a refutation of the lie to get elected strategy I hope.

Yesterday Glenn Beck (cue the loons) ran a show on Hayek's 'Road to Serfdom'. I can't even imagine any other network covering this book by the Nobel winning economist about the dangers of central authority.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

KOZ and 12BB - Take your market knowledge and extrapolate to the housing industry. Did you know that builders are creating new subdivisions in LV and suburban Phoenix while empty five year old homes are languishing?

This strikes me as technical trading in houses - and it disregards the market fundamental of an existing surplus.

I am thinking that the push to 11000 was driven by technical trading and not by fundamentals, but that the current DJ level is comfortable. I understand that from the individual level technical trading can be profitable and satisfying, but the further divorced an army of traders are from fundamentals the more likely the market will boom and bust, no?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 9, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

An economy in freefall can't support the Social Security Ponzi scheme anyway, so if the choice is between phasing it out or letting it collapse,
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Americans do not believe that is the choice.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

leapin I truly hope that GOP leadership takes
up your call to phase out SS and Medicare.
Do you need the link to Steele's email address to make that sentiment known? So that secret
is now official; the GOP wants to repeal
SS and Medicare, how about Civil Rights
and housing. Sorry Rand Paul already suggested that.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 9, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

'Ms. Rabinowitz is our mortal enemy?'

No, that would be zouk.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Give Young Workers the Choice of Opting Out of Social Security: Why is this any crazier then pretending Social Security is totally solvent and whistling past the graveyard? An economy in freefall can't support the Social Security Ponzi scheme anyway, so if the choice is between phasing it out or letting it collapse, I choose... phase it out.

Abolish the Department of Education: Why the heck not? SRSLY! The DeptEd does nothing but provide employment to bureaucrats and throw money around that it can't even keep track of. It contributes nothing to the quality of American Education. Return education to local control, re-privatize student loans, and if it turns out the DeptEd does anything worthwhile, farm it out to other agencies. We can no longer afford giant useless bureaucracies in this country, and eliminating this behemoth would reduce the deficit by $70 Billion.

She Supports the Yucca Mountain Nuclear Repository. Nevada is all NIMBY about this project, but the fact remains, we have to put the cocky-doody nuclear waste somewhere, since Jimmy Carter decided it would be illegal for us to recycle it into more nuclear fuel like France and Japan do.

She Wants the US out of the UN: Two responses to this, "Yes," and "Hell Yes!" The UN is corrupt and useless at best, dangerous and deadly at worst. Like the Dept of Education, it exists for the sole purpose of employing bureaucrats, wasting money, and providing a forum for America-hating whackjobs to pontificate.

It's only because the political class and the MFM have been taken over by progressive left whackjobs that those positions aren't considered mainstream common sense.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

12Bar -- especially considering that Nevada, like Florida, has an aging population who VOTES. There's also Angle's background with Scientology, the thing about wanting to use taxpayer money to give massages and saunas to prisonors to help them quit drugs.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Gallenod, your timing is impeccable.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 9, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Rabinowitz is our mortal enemy?

Posted by: Gallenod | June 9, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

KOZ, it was my understanding that BHO did not want a public option. He did not campaign for anything other than emulating federal employee insurance and he never encouraged the pursuit of the public option, that I can recall. Are you calling something other than Medicare buy-in the "public option?" Obviously, expanding VA to cover everyone would be a public option, and I guess you could call some other choices public options, but BHO was always for keeping private insurers, hospitals, and health care professionals, as far as I remember.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 9, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle's general election candidacy will be truly interesting. We will see how ready Nevadans are to elect someone who runs on phasing out the social programs that have been in place for decades and reportedly are extremely popular.

If Angle wins, campaigning on unraveling Social Security/Medicare, that will be the biggest political U turn we've seen in our lifetime.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The only people who refer to the president as some kind of messiah are so-called conservatives. Can someone explain why?
Posted by: mattintx
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Here is what some prominent progressive conservatives have said...

On the stump, Obama divines the time has come "to perfect this nation." Not long ago, I brushed such statements aside, without a second thought. When Hillary playfully mocked Obama's remarks, "a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama," it never occurred to me to take such remarks seriously. When the Obama Sith, Chris Matthews, said, "This is bigger than Kennedy....This is the New Testament," I just figured he was caught up in the exuberance of the moment. And when Halle Berry said that she'd "collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear"; or Eve Konstantine said he is "our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings," I unthinkingly whisked them away as so much sophomoric giddiness and bizarre tripe.

Now, that the antenna is up and the red flags are waving, I am astounded when I reconsider that Bill Rush of the New York Times actually believes Obama's election to the U.S. Senate, "was divinely ordered....God's plan"; that Oprah Winfrey thinks his "tongue dipped in the unvarnished truth"; that Gerald Campbell sees him radiate "truth and goodness"; that Gary Hart deems him not to be "operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians"; and that Deepak Chopra considers him "A quantum leap in American consciousness."

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The beliefs and attitudes that this president has internalized are to be found everywhere—in the salons of the left the world over—and, above all, in the academic establishment, stuffed with tenured radicals and their political progeny. The places where it is held as revealed truth that the United States is now, and has been throughout its history, the chief engine of injustice and oppression in the world.

They are attitudes to be found everywhere, but never before in a president of the United States. Mr. Obama may not hold all, or the more extreme, of these views. But there can be no doubt by now of the influences that have shaped him. They account for his grand apology tour through the capitals of Europe and to the Muslim world, during which he decried America's moral failures—her arrogance, insensitivity. They were the words of a man to whom reasons for American guilt came naturally. Americans were shocked by this behavior in their newly elected president. But he was telling them something from those lecterns in foreign lands—something about his distant relation to the country he was about to lead.

The truth about that distance is now sinking in, which is all to the good. A country governed by leaders too principled to speak the name of its mortal enemy needs every infusion of reality it can get.

Ms. Rabinowitz

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Last month, after Tea Party candidate Rand Paul beat establishment choice Trey Grayson in the Kentucky GOP’s Senate primary, Fox News’ Neil Cavuto pressed Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele on the tension between the Tea Party and the GOP establishment.

Steele responded by claiming that he didn’t “know who” the establishment was, forcing Cavuto to respond “You, you, you!” On Fox and Friends today, following another round of primaries, Steele again claimed to not know who is part of the Republican “establishment”:

KILMEADE: Michael, there’s a theory out there that Tom Campbell was the one the Republicans wanted, not Fiorina. On the other side, it was Lowden over Angle that you really wanted in Vegas. That the Tea Partiers really dictated it."

Winners: Tea baggers
Losers: Republican party
Ultimate winners: Democratics, who will defeat radical extremists like Angle.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Chicken-bartering" -- I have to wonder how on earth she even came up with that? Truly a political classic.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

But when you look at Obama's batting average, it's clear he's no Ted Williams. He wanted a public option in health care - and didn't get it.

He wanted Europe to follow us into stimulus oblivion - and it didn't (Britain and Germany, in fact, announced major spending cuts just this week).

He wanted meaningful climate change legislation - and didn't get it. He wanted Israel to end settlements in East Jerusalem - and was offended when Joe Biden's mere presence in Israel wasn't enough to stop them. And now he wants a new jobs bill - but hasn't been able to effectively corral Democrats and Republicans into action.

This isn't just an issue of Republican obstructionism - his clout abroad and among Democrats is clearly waning. As one GOP House leader I spoke with said, "These instances are clear evidence Obama does not control the left, but was created by it."

Fear-mongering and skillfully using fear are not the same thing. Other Presidents knew this. Gerstein mentions FDR, Ronald Reagan and Lyndon Johnson. But increasingly, presidential historians and political pundits are comparing Obama to Jimmy Carter - hardly good news for a President who has a lot yet to do and a reelection looming.

SE Cupp

no one is afraid of the commander in sheep

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Nevadadandy -- don't forget Social Security and Medicare. Sharron Angle wants to get rid of those too.
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She proposes a phase out approach to the bankrupt SS system. Something that is going to have to be looked at because of the progressive rate of debt under Barry. (including the 10 million he has racked up for his parties and concerts).

Posted by: leapin | June 9, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The only people who refer to the president as some kind of messiah are so-called conservatives. Can someone explain why?

Posted by: mattintx | June 9, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

WaPo hacks who pretended to be crystal ball gazers are the biggest losers today, along with leftist Democrats who lost big in the Democrat primaries.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 9, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

It has always puzzled me why hard-core advocates on both sides try to post political screeds here. Two kinds of people read this blog: 1) political junkies who discuss the mechanics of politics, and 2) political advocates who have no interest in discussion and seem to be in constant campaign mode.

Who do these advocates (a.k.a. "trolls") think they're going to convert? Those of us who study politics largely ignore them. And rheir opposition in the political paper-hanging business is as committed as they are.

All I can imagine is that they're simply trying to bury anything resembling rational discourse in an avalanche of propaganda. But unless there's a sizeable contingent of uncommitted independent voters who read this blog, they're basically shouting at the moon.

As to the Winners and Losers, I think Heller is an insightful pick. He's got to be kicking himself right now. But my nominee for biggest loser (so far) of the week are the labor unions who backed Halter. All those millions of dollars down the drain and now they have to choose between a candidate they opposed or a Republican who will likely be even less sympathetic to them. The Progressive equivalent to the Tea Party may yet appear to demand ideological purity from Democrats, but Arkansas probably wasn't it's best choice for a launch pad.

Posted by: Gallenod | June 9, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Putting Chicken Bartering on the loser list might be the best work The Fix has ever done.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 9, 2010 11:39 AM

I wish I had been first to post!
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In the big picture, it is a good thing that the Rs are diversifying. It was too easy for the Ds to cry "angry old white men". That was insulting to Rs and demeaning to Ds, so now maybe we can drop that whole line of discussion. Reading the post at 12:12PM, you will see that pandering to southern white conservatives has not discouraged a certain ugliness on the R side that will now perhaps be fought from within R ranks. Rs may not defend BHO against racists, but they will be forced to defend Jindal and Haley and Rubio and Sandoval against them, and that is better than the previous dynamic. If both parties are invested in an American Dream without skin color nightmares we all benefit, even old white guys.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 9, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Momma grizzlies? You must be kidding.

Sarah Palin is a momma grizzly. She hunts, fishes, and lives in God's country.

Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina, in their $500 haircuts and $10,000 couture clothing, their Bentleys, chauffeurs, housekeepers, Parisien furniture, and high brow bookclubs,

hardly qualify as Momma grizzlies.

Neither one of these ladies has EVER laid hands on a tent, sleeping bag, shotgun, pack horse, or even in dirt, except to plant their begonias. Their idea of an outdoor "adventure" is strolling with Fifi around the St. Francis Yacht Club.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 9, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Losers - every Washington Post left-wing hack and their watergun/Rahm slip n' slide buddy.

Today, the propagandaist at the WaPo actually called liberal congressmen Connelly and Moran "centrist". Pathetic electioneering.

I so look forward to another round of WaPo layoffs.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | June 9, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Chuckle, chuckle. The closer it gets to an actual election the more flaky ideology becomes. At least for me it does. The Nevada voters who want to dump Reid are now caught in a trap. We frequently get to choose between the worster of two worsts. Grammatically ... comparing two not so super superlatives. (What is the opposite of superlative?)

Posted by: LHO39 | June 9, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Losers - liberals who call everyone racist:

Interestingly, Haley is the daughter of Sikh immigrants from India. If elected governor she would be the second Republican governor of a Southern state, after Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, to be the child of immigrants from South Asia. Who’d a thunk it? And when you’re putting your mind around that, consider that the leader in the Republican primary for the open South Carolina 1 seat relinquished by retiree Henry Brown is Tim Scott, who may be the most conservative and assuredly is the only black Republican in the South Carolina legislature.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Loser - B hussain. Even Democrats are running as fast as they can from his socialist policies. given the choice of a liberal and a moderate, Democrats chose the moderate who dared challenge the Messiah. If not, you lose.

winner - Momma grizzlies. Women in repub politics are not some feminist bra burners, jealous of men and demanding equal treatment - they are successful people in their own right with no need for special treatment. they will show the Libs for the victims they deserve to be.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 9, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse


all the grizzlies, moose, bridges, and stigmatas in her hands cannot help Saviour Saint Palin. She is not qualified to hold the highest office in the land.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | June 9, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Nevadadandy -- don't forget Social Security and Medicare. Sharron Angle wants to get rid of those too.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Carly Fiorina is running against Barbara Boxer for the U.S. Senate, not California Governor.

Posted by: Leathnm | June 9, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Weigel is a better analyst, bsimon.

"The rush to find a Palin narrative in absolutely every election, when her actual involvement with candidates has been less than that of Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee, is mystifying."

Indeed. Chris seems to have kind of a crush on Palin, apparently.

"We are HP stockholders who were dismayed at the wreck Fiorina caused at HP--over the concerted opposition of the families who created the company. Her decision to buy Compaq did precisely what they said it would do--lowered the value of the stock. It was $52 when she joined and $21 when she was fired--and her firing actually raised HP's value!"

Exactly. She was a disaster at business. And 'mama grizzlies' -- please, can we drop this childish nonsense. 'Pit bulls in lipstick' is more accurate.

Posted by: drindl | June 9, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't planning on voting for Harry Reid in November, but now given the choice between a member of the mama grizzly club who has some radical ideas on eliminating several cabinet level agencies, I guess I'll have to go with old Harry. I was hoping the Republicans would choose anyone but Angle.

Posted by: Nevadaandy | June 9, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't planning on voting for Harry Reid in November, but now given the choice between a member of the mama grizzly club who has some radical ideas on eliminating several cabinet level agencies, I guess I'll have to go with old Harry. I was hoping the Republicans would choose anyone but Angle.

Posted by: Nevadaandy | June 9, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

On the subject of Chicken bartering: KFC? Popeye's? Boston Market?

Doctors, please weigh in. And oh, spicy or mild? And will you also look at my sprained back if I throw in curly fries and coleslaw?

Posted by: kban495 | June 9, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Those crafty and resourceful indians are taking control of unsophisticated conservative southern states (SC, La) in order to transform them and position themselves for even higher office. These people are notoriously racist and very parochial. They want to further infiltrate America so as to lean more in the direction of improving ties to India for the purpose exporting more US jobs overseas. Be very careful what you ask for. Nikki Haley doesn't give a darn about a bunch of backward hayseeds in SC. She has her sights set on higher goals. Those goals include position herself to help those in India secure more American jobs.

Posted by: demtse | June 9, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Please stop parroting her "mama grizzlies" line. It is too moronic for you - set a higher standard Chris.


The GOP female candidates are nothing like Palin herself even if she joined their bandwagons when some were not real Tea Party people (so what I guess... the fact there is no pattern is not a story is it?). They are in fact accomplished women with real careers and real accomplishments. Not one of them went to five lame colleges in three years to get one bachelor's degree, became a Miss Congeniality, sportscasted for a local TV station to launch their careers or spouted crazy nonsense like Palin herself does regularly. They only share what half the population shares with her: their sexuality.

Relative to career work, there is also a great difference in meeting commitments and carrying our their roles. Although Carly was ultimately fired (she would have stayed if the balance sheet would have tolerated her poor decisions), the rest of them completed their assignments unlike the former half-term Governor.

Palin was plucked out of obscurity by William Kristol and gramps McCain. That is why she is an accomplished Republican "leader", not her reading of tea leaves( :) ). She is media hit in an age of celebrity. She is more Lady Gaga than Abraham Lincoln! That is her career in a nutshell.

With people like yourself pimping Palin 24/7 as if she was the real story of Tuesday (without one ANY of proof of any causation), all we will get is more Palin platitudes in the future.

What did we do to deserve this?

Posted by: BobSanderson | June 9, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

We are HP stockholders who were dismayed at the wreck Fiorina caused at HP--over the concerted opposition of the families who created the company. Her decision to buy Compaq did precisely what they said it would do--lowered the value of the stock. It was $52 when she joined and $21 when she was fired--and her firing actually raised HP's value! And as of today, it's still not up to the value she came into! Classic case of wrecking a company and we're going to trust her to the Senate??

Someone who doesn't make good decisions and doesn't listen to advice is hardly one who should be promoted to a Governorship--except in the Mad Hatter world of Alice's Wonderland! Unbelievable that she's using her tenure at HP as a reason to make her Governor.
6/9/2010 11:46:09 AM

Posted by: commonsense101 | June 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Counterbalancing the credit for Chicken Bartering:
"it's hard to dispute that her support for Haley and former Hewlett Packard executive Carly Fiorina in the California Senate primary made some significant difference."

I'm more inclined to side with Wiegel, of the right-now blog, who writes:

"The rush to find a Palin narrative in absolutely every election, when her actual involvement with candidates has been less than that of Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee, is mystifying."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/can_sarah_palin_claim_credit_f.html


Posted by: bsimon1 | June 9, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/can_sarah_palin_claim_credit_f.html

Weigel on the attempt by the punditocracy to try and inject Sarah Palin into every storyline.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 9, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Putting Chicken Bartering on the loser list might be the best work The Fix has ever done.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 9, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

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