Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity

Fabulous Fab's best line of defense

By Washington Post editors

c_04292010.gif
***
Arizona

Can we hope that the justified outrage over the barbaric Arizona law to profile and persecute a minority group in the United States will lead to sensible and sane comprehensive immigration legislation here in Washington? No, let's run ANOTHER decade's worth of measuring the political implications for the two parties first. The IMPORTANT thing is to optimize one's positioning for November, any November, every November, forever and ever, amen.

It's become commonplace that this kind of maneuvering is damaging government's ability to function. And with some issues, such as climate, the positioning-first strategies are going to cause damage to the planet as well. There is also collateral damage from the immigration impasse, wider than the impact on minorities, businesses and communities.

For readers who complain about how I appear to be reflexively liberal on everything, here's a possible surprise. I actually have some concern about the LEGAL part of the illegal immigration debate. Somehow, here in Washington at least, the debate has been conducted with a strange expectation that the illegal part of illegal immigration is to be talked AROUND. Rights of workers, business needs for workers, drivers' licenses, all manner of practical and pressing and important considerations are wrangled with. But what one would suspect to be the trump card in a nation that defines itself as a nation of laws -- the, um, LAW -- is NOT the trump card. Maybe the complexities of this issue are such that that's the way it's got to be, but I can't help but suspect that this is fundamentally very corrosive to America's commitment to and faith in its operating principles. I can only hope we do not let this go unresolved much longer. --Tom Toles
***
sketchicon_ver1.jpg

s_04292010.gif

By Washington Post editors  | April 29, 2010; 12:00 AM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Cutting his losses
Next: Heated argument

Other Syndicated Editorial Cartoons:

Comments

Hi, allow me invite you to my community:
--== COUGARFLIRTS.CoM ==-- (where mature women and men who like cougar find love).
Best Cougar dating site in the world!
It's where cougars and younger men can meet(Cougar is the slang for woman who is mature, experienced and want to date with a younger man). No matter you are looking for a NSA or serious relationship, please do check it out!
And also you may find yourself more compatible with young men.
For young men, dating an older woman has numerous advantages. You can sometimes learn valuable advice from her on how to conduct himself in a difficult situation. She is your best listener and supporter.
Join us and contact tens of thousands of cougars and cougar admirers!
It's where mature women and men who like them can get fvcked.

Posted by: hejiheji0011 | May 4, 2010 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it odd how the Left wants us to have a National Identity Card and at the same time scoff at immigrants showing a Green Card that they are ordered by Federal Law to keep with them at all times. And keep it straight. Arizona police can only ask for identification if they have made legal contact with an individual and then suspect that they might be illegal. Keep the facts straight please. They cannot be just contacted by police and asked for "papers".

Posted by: bobbo2 | April 30, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Science Tim wrote:
So, what happens to a legal natural-born citizen of Hispanic descent if he/she does not happen to drive and thus does not possess a driver's license? The way the Arizona law has been reported, such a hypothetical fellow would be guilty under this law and have to pay a fine because of his failure to have on him the documents to prove his legitimate status.
- - - - - - - - ---- -- - - - - - - -- - -
Let's see - maybe a Social Security Card???
Local library card?? Blood donor card??
There are nay number of ways to verify legal status! Quit making it sound like a "science" tim!

Posted by: thornegp2626 | April 30, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

American citizens are not obligated to carry papers, and no state has the power to force them to. American citizens are innocent until proven guilty and no state has the power to reverse that. Arizona's law is un-American and barbaric.

Posted by: jdsher00 | April 29, 2010 3:59 PM
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Apples and oranges!! Visitors in ANY country ae required to carry ID papers. American citizens are not visitors in the US!
Federal officials and local law enforcement are required to ask for ID, say for example your driver's license, or your passport if you are a visitor. No ID in either case means you will be held until proof of ID is shown.
This should give no person obeying the law any problem!

Posted by: thornegp2626 | April 30, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe the complexities of this issue are such that that's the way it's got to be, but I can't help but suspect that this is fundamentally very corrosive to America's commitment to and faith in its operating principles."

Mr. Toles...what exactly does "the rule of law" mean?

Laws are just words written on paper, occasionally transformed into electronic form. Repeat the above until you answer your own question.

Posted by: dubya1938 | April 29, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

In America, American CITIZENS cannot be detained because of somebody's suspicion that they might not be a citizen, until such time as they can prove their citizenship. Arizona imagines its police have the right (let alone the obligation, subject to lawsuits if they don't do it to somebody's satisfaction) to detain brown-skinned American citizens willy-nilly and hold them in jail until they can find their citizenship papers. American citizens are not obligated to carry papers, and no state has the power to force them to. American citizens are innocent until proven guilty and no state has the power to reverse that. Arizona's law is un-American and barbaric.

Posted by: jdsher00 | April 29, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

People seem to be blowing the whole SB1070 issue way out of proportion. The Arizona bill only empowers the state law enforcement to enforce EXISTING federal laws in the SAME manner that federal law enforcement already does.

I don't understand the outrage. Arizona police will only being the EXACT SAME things the Border Patrol already does.

If you disagree with the methods, which I do, that's fine. Just realize that this bill will not be doing anything more than what the Federals are already empowered to do.

If SB1070 really is unconstitutional then the Federal law is as well.

Full text is available at www.azleg.gov Search for SB1070. Please read it and then make your own opinion on this matter because I have yet to see a news source from either side of the political spectrum get it right.

Posted by: BradG | April 29, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It is a wonderful feature of America that someone who knows knowing about something can say anything they want however silly. In this country, if you are a green card holder, you have to have the green card on you at all times. In addition, if requested to show the said green card, you have to produce it or you are in violation of the law. Second, if you are a border patrol agent, you have the right to ask anyone at anytime and for any reason to provide proof of citizenship. Whatever you think of the Arizona law it was carefully crafted to mirror the current federal law. It is therefore stupid to describe current American law that has been of the book for years and years as barbaric. What you really mean is that for the first time someone may actually be enforcing immigration law. In the future, if you want to opine on something, it would do you some good to know something before you speak.

Posted by: jeffreed | April 29, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse


Heretofore, you did not comment on your own work. Would it were we could go back to those days. You do, however, portray a modicum of interest if none other than that of a curiosity. I have to admit I used to view the comments to see if GaryEMasters would be the first to comment. I see today that he is as confused as you are about our world.

Criminals could also be considered a minority group. Your thinking, then, would be to stop arresting them because to do so is to “profile and persecute them.” What's so scary about all this is that the people in charge are all like you.


Posted by: quiensabe | April 29, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

This would have been a lot funnier if the cartoon had accurately quoted Fabulous Fab's use of the word "monstruosity".

Posted by: Itzajob | April 29, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"that reactionaries are, by definition, from the right."

Questionable at best, but dumb can be anyone. It just takes a moment of inattention to be wrong.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | April 29, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Shrimper, you should know that reactionaries are, by definition, from the right. The rest of your statements show that you are equally ignorant on facts.

The administration has fielded twice as many Border Patrol personnel as the prior one. The plain and simple facts are that illegal immigration is not a matter of asking for papers...these people will just hide as best they can. If there were no work for illegals, there would be no reason for them to come. I do suppose that if the "70% of Arizonans" who both support this law AND who hire these people to do their yardwork stopped doing so...we'd not have an issue for debate.

Posted by: BobfromLI | April 29, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Hey Falmouth.. get it right at least... the Arizona law has 70 % approval.
Now as for the rest of you nitwit REACTIONARY libs, the LAW does nothing more than ENFORCE, existing law. Besides, I still honestly cannot understand the support for ANYONE that breaks a law, period, and have an even harder time with a government that refuses to enforce that which is law.
Actually, we need 49 other states to do the same as Arizona. Of course, bobbo2 and I both know we will never live long enough to see that in the once free, now sanctuary state of Maryland, at least with the current regime. But, one can always dream.....

Posted by: Shrimper | April 29, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Mr Sharpshooter you're off target. In AZ the only group that Brewer is gaining support with is the white population and not in any great numbers. Meanwhile, the Hispanics have overwhelmingly turned away from her. In a Repub state she is now behind in the polls. It is the businesses in this country which hire illegals which should be focused on. If the jobs dry up the incentive to come here will be much less.

Posted by: Falmouth1 | April 29, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Lawyers are taught to argue the facts when they have the facts on their side and the law when it favors them and when they are troubled to be 'OUTRAGED.'

So is Mr. Toles most of the time when he is mad for or mad against or just plain mad.

As for the stock brokers - they sold short. It has been do9ne before. It was the people getting loans that they could not pay back that made the problem. And those approving the loans. So wake up.

Pay attention.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | April 29, 2010 5:43 AM | Report abuse

Sheez, my post got "held for review by the administrator.

Wha'd I say?

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 29, 2010 4:44 AM | Report abuse

What's barbaric, @bobbo2, is your implication that all immigrants are guilty by association because of one crime. That is a very old and very barbaric slander that has caused a lot more rapes than the 10 men you mention. The idea that minorities are guilty until proven innocent, and must carry documents to prove their innocence, is barbaric and un-American. In today's America, most of us have learned that it's a sin to kill a mockingbird. That's why most of us are so offended by this law. Now go ahead and call me what they used to call Atticus Finch.

Posted by: jdsher00 | April 29, 2010 2:10 AM | Report abuse

So, what happens to a legal natural-born citizen of Hispanic descent if he/she does not happen to drive and thus does not possess a driver's license? The way the Arizona law has been reported, such a hypothetical fellow would be guilty under this law and have to pay a fine because of his failure to have on him the documents to prove his legitimate status. I don't happen to carry any documentation of my citizenship other than my driver's license (which shouldn't count, of course). However, as a white man with an American accent, I really somehow doubt that I would be called upon to prove my status. Even though racial profiling is not supposed to be the sole criterion for probable-cause under this law. Yeah, right.

Posted by: ScienceTim | April 29, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Barbaric? Where I live in Maryland, 10 men were recently indicted for kidnapping a woman they met in Virginia, brought back to Maryland, and gang raped. That is barbaric. One of the men was a legal immigrant, the owner of the house in Maryland. The other nine were mostly illegal immigrants. Twelve people lived in the house in Maryland, mostly illegal immigrants. The identification of several of the men is not known because they use several names. Legal immigrants carry a Green Card for identification. Illegal immigrants have no respect for law in the first place. The first thing they do is break the law to get here. If a person is stopped in Arizona for a legitimate reason and cannot produce a proper ID then the police can check with INS if they believe the person to be an illegal immigrant. The police will follow rules. The illegal immigrants will not. Our Washington politicians have failed us for selfish political reasons. Meanwhile Arizona, Maryland, and the other states must deal with reality, and the safety of legal citizens.

Posted by: bobbo2 | April 28, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

“justified outrage”?

The Fed is not doing its job enforcing immigration laws and the states, like Arizona, are paying the price. The rule of law stipulates that we are act according to laws passed by our legislature, not ignore them as the feds have done, when they become inconvenient.

Even a majority of Hispanics in Arizona favor the recently passed legislation requiring the state to enforce the laws that the federal government is unable or unwilling to enforce, and Brewer’s popularity has skyrocketed over this. Put that in your pipe and smoke it the next time write about this.

Posted by: SharpshootingPugilist | April 28, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company