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Carl Paladino, unhinged

By Tom Toles

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Eyes wide shut
History will look back on what people do and say and judge whether they were right or honest about what they said and how they lived their lives. Actually, nobody believes this, or people would behave a lot differently than they do. And most of what people say and do does slip through history's cracks, so HOME FREE!

When the catastrophes of the change we are inflicting on the climate occur, and these will, in fact, include horrifying deaths of actual human beings, nobody is going to look back at the comments section of Tom Toles's blog and read how many of the contributors did their utmost to prevent a solution. And even if they did, who ARE those people with those funny, anonymous names they hide behind to boldly proclaim their views?

To those who keep saying that the science is lacking, here is yet another place, which my colleague Stephen Stromberg linked to, that would help inform people who actually wanted to be informed. And to those who maintain that it is just a political conspiracy, Bill McKibben explains here that it is, as one might have suspected, close to exactly the other way around. And that climate denialism is in fact about as UNconservative as you could get. I do not expect the commenters to take these things seriously, because they have shown little evidence of seriousness. But some of the rest of you might. Whether history is watching you or not. --Tom Toles
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By Tom Toles  | October 13, 2010; 12:00 AM ET
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Reality has a definite Liberal bias.

Posted by: jonroesler | October 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Not only is Man-made Global Warming real, its BASIC Primal cause (which many many still don't grasp) is the exponential growth of the human Population.
Posted by: lufrank1

That is funny.....yet NOT...My son came home from school today and as we were talking said almost the same thing...scary! You're not a teacher are you llufrank1??
Kevin..nice try. Not happenin'

Posted by: bertzel | October 13, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

What the silly liberals fail to realize, is that Jesus will be along shortly and he'll make all things as new. So, burn the mother to the ground. Jebus'll fix it when he gets here.

Posted by: Kevin71707 | October 13, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Not only is Man-made Global Warming real, its BASIC Primal cause (which many many still don't grasp) is the exponential growth of the human Population.

Posted by: lufrank1 | October 13, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

thanksforfish -

Toles can't publish his cartoons anonymously, but he can leave comments here anonymously just like the rest of us. I'm pretty sure that most of the regular commenters in his blog are actually him. GaryEMasters and bobbo2 for instance, can't possibly be real persons with those opinions.

Posted by: Gurduloo | October 13, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be great if you could post your comics anonymously, as we have this privilege to post these remarks anonymously.
I do so because I've been targeted by the likes of some of your trolls and when you feel personally attacked, it's hard to get on with your day - but when you're an unknown, you can leave your remarks ( or in some alternate universe, your cartoon) and in the next moment, your mind is completely free to move on to the next thing, troll and criticism free...

Sorry we can't easily offer the same for you, except to say that the trolls want to shut down your brilliance, to shutter your insights and unique perspectives, to shrink your vision, and as long as they can get your goat, or at least a little tug of the goat's tail, they're happy to rouse the rabble in your psychic basement...

Posted by: thanksforfish | October 13, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

The GOP opines that Global Warming is a fraud perpetrated by Atheistic Liberals in their persistent attempt to ruin all economic activity, especially the most profitable economic activity, having to do with petroleum, natural gas, and the machinery they are used to operate. Why would Liberals do this? Because they are stupid meanies who want to nationalize all business and turn America into a Communistic and Socialistic state. Then where would the ultra-wealthy, who presently live behind iron gates in guarded compounds, escape to? Whom would they lord it over under a more egalitarian social contract? Gosh. It would be Hell on Earth for Them. Better to deny there is any chance Global Warming is more than a myth -- just as Jesus and his champions insist that Evolution is a Myth. It will be interesting to see in 50 years how the GOP blames Democrats for the desertification of America's once highly productive farmlands on account of Global Warming.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | October 13, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

so toles is a religious bigot -- nothing new about that

Posted by: oldhat | October 13, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"This is a great link, real science

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/surface_temp.pdf"

Actually - that's not a peer reviewed article, but something published from a conservative think tank. Look at the list of directors and where they come from on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_Public_Policy_Institute
Also, when you read a paper like that you must pay attention to if it has actually been published in a peer reviewed journal (I can't find a single paper on their website that was actually accepted in a journal).

Posted by: Gurduloo | October 13, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Ozymandius awaits.

"Look upon...and despair!"

Free the name! Down with anonymity.

Posted by: GeneTouchet | October 13, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

This is a great link, real science

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/surface_temp.pdf

According to the Royal Society link provided by Tom the earth has warmed by .8 degree plus or minus .2 degree C since 1850. The link I provided seriously questions the data included in asserting a .8 C temp increase. This paper may be too difficult for some at 210 pages and some math but it is real science. Peer reviewed. Not just an opinion or statement or consensus like The Royal Society's piece.

Personally I have a hard time to see that the end is near with a .8 C perceived temp increase over 160 year time period even if it is true. And it's likely not.

Posted by: dalyplanet | October 13, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Tom, why do you insist on baiting your trolls? You don't even need to read their comments to know what they will be screeching ...SHAM...FRAUD...LIES...LIBERAL PROPAGANDA...COSTS TOO MUCH. No attempt to educate, or illuminate will steer them from the party line. You just enjoy seeing them make fools of themselves, don't you?

Posted by: pete1013 | October 13, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

This in my real name. Or part of it. I refuse to argue any more about Climate Change. Obviously these trolls have some reward for wasting all this time spamming evil liberals. Good. Beats working for a living. And mommy's basement is a good substitute for a life.

I don't care if it's the liberals, God or space aliens messing up the weather, it's been done. Cope.

All i want to say is that the weather is demonstrably messed up, record heat followed by record floods followed by record drought. I don't care about any of this rhetoric, i just want to survive for a while. Anybody with a brain should prepare for weather catastrophe, now. Are you ready for ten inches of rain in a day? Twenty? It happens all the time now.

Get a topographical map. see where your escape routes are. Spend a few hours thinking, even though it hurts. What kind of weather can hit you? Tornado? Hurricane? Flood? Should you have a storm shelter or a canoe? A 4WD truck or a snowmobile?

I call this the "Axe in the Attic Scenario." In Katrina, homeowners who followed folk advice and kept an axe in their attic survived, those who didn't, drowned a few inches from safety.

Think. Or not. It is just evolution in action.


Posted by: wishnevsky | October 13, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Toles, if you are concerned about "horrifying deaths of actual human beings," there are plenty of threats more imminent than climate change.

Or do Iraqi children blown to smithereens not count?

Posted by: HumanistPatriot | October 13, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

bobbo2, wind turbines come in all shapes and sizes and are still being "improved" upon. Funny, I use to hear the same complaints about the humm of the powerlines and the negative effects to the cattle nearby. And hey, what about those cell phones, that's technology for ya!

Posted by: bertzel | October 13, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Interesting point, GaryEMasters. After all, someday the Sun will actually expand and swallow the entire planet, or we could at any time be hit by a large asteroid and then all this fuss is over nothing at all, so I guess it's not worth worrying about any current problems that we cause and can actually address.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | October 13, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

What do you think of the warmer teachers over in Britain who have made commercials to scare school children who will not submit to their manmade global warming scam?

Posted by: jornolibist | October 13, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

What do you think of the warmer teachers over in Britain who have made commercials to scare school children who will not submit to their manmade global warming scam?

Posted by: jornolibist | October 13, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

The logic of Mr. Toles position on climate is like a chain. One link is stainless steel and some others are paper. Yes it is getting warmer. That is one very solid and strong link. But is that the only factor we should be concerned with? That is a paper link.

Mr. Toles, why polish your one steel link when it is the other links that need work? Why not tell us why warming is the only problem we will ever face? Why not tell us why sun spots are not important? If they are, all the CO2 may save us from an ice age.

So why not address the big question?

"Is warming something we want to stop or encourage?"

In other words, is warming good or bad?

In some circumstances (and I agree most circumstances) it is bad.

But there are reasons to think it could be good in some futures.

We need to sort out which future we face.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | October 13, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Mr. Fish that the prognosis for History doesn't look that good.

It is intriguing that although there seems very little real desire to take action at any level, any article about climate change attracts a horde of comments from the naysayers, contrarians and denialists, all of whom write heatedly as if they themselves were under threat, when actually they are in the winning team.

Posted by: eejay | October 13, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Dear Tom,

As a longtime believer in climate change, I am ready to revise my views based on this letter of resignation by Professor (emeritus) Harold Lewis, who has quit the American Physical Society: ~eric. (Buffalo)

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=549990

Posted by: 2ericc | October 13, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

when considered in context ( not likely to be done in this rag)Paladino's remarks sound more like a non-PC political neophyte than the overt homophobe the likes of the ComPost paint him as. His remarks mirror the opinions of...uuuh... Oh yeah, I remember Barack Obama.

Anxiously await the cartoons and opeds regarding the gaffes and misspeaks of left wing politicians. I don't dare hold my breath but a person can hope , can't they?

Oh that scrappy Joe BiteMe from Scranton. He's such a hoot, isn't he?

Posted by: theduck6 | October 13, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Dear ptgrunner, I am not "on board" with what the warmers position. I do not see the sky falling. I do not believe that cap and trade or any other tax on energy and energy products will save the planet. The agenda is all about money and power. Chilly out this morning, isn't it?

Posted by: bobbo2 | October 13, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Dear morphex, how are things in Nanny State central? Let's see, there is the overreaching smoking ban, there is the cyber acrcade watchdog law, there is the forced grocery bag law, there is the ban on soft drink sales on government property,....... What else has been dictated in say the last 24 hours? I feel sorry for people who live in San Francisco. They live in such a beautiful place and have such a overreaching government. It must be no fun at all. Hey, morphex, do you think that the city government will leave anything for you to decide for yourself? Or will they take over every little facet of your life?

Posted by: bobbo2 | October 13, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Toles wrote:

["When the catastrophes of the change we are inflicting on the climate occur, and these will, in fact, include horrifying deaths of actual human beings, nobody is going to look back at the comments section of Tom Toles's blog and read how many of the contributors did their utmost to prevent a solution."]

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I love this quote. It goes to the heart of Liberal hypocrisy. How many times have Liberals accused Conservatives about the politics of fear. Now we have a quote from a leading, far-left Liberal that underscores that if we don't do something about climate change, we will all die horrifying deaths. Noted.

Toles goes on to declare that there are few serious arguments from folks to counter the validity of climate change. I note he never posts any web-sites that include article that counter climate change theory. If Toles was serious about winning the debate (rather than espousing the same stale narrative), he would explore the Conservative position a bit more.

I have been to Bangladesh and seen first hand the effects of rising sea water upon their country. In some areas, the Bangladesh have had to change from growing crops to raising shrimp in the brackish water. Very adaptive but their problem is severe and getting worse. My conclusion is that their problem is due to climate change issues.

My basic issues with climate change theory include:
1 - Developing Nations use it as a battering ram to reduce hegimonic powers such as China and the USA thus increasing their own power. This costs the US resources in many ways such as reduced oil exploration.
2 - Climate change is a theory without concrete evidence that it is man made. I believe we (man) is increasing carbon output but that does not equate to all of the effects espoused by scientists. Tossed aside are other theories that the changes we are experiencing are cyclical. Did man create the ice age?
3 - For years now I've been listening to climate change advocates tell us that hurricane season is going to continue to get worse. These theories were in vogue a view years ago due to Katrina. Where are all these promised killer hurricane seasons now?

It will be interesting to hear this debate in the next Presidential election in 2012. Let the Liberals make their case. I'll be listening.

Posted by: pararanger22 | October 13, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

bigfish2~~~~Are you suggesting that Jesse, along with 'The History Channel' is not at least trying to persuade individuals to research these conspiracies for themselves. Of course one can just go through life as a mainstream media 'bobblehead' and not recognize the discrepancies of those who are attempting to reveal the truth and those who shadow it. A quote from Ronald Reagan "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Especially after all the smoke clears.

Posted by: JONAHandtheFISH | October 13, 2010 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Exactly how pray-tell, do we get China to reduce its carbon emissions? Anybody out there have any ideas? History will be looking... 20 years from now... As the hurricanes rage and the tides rise.

We can clean up our act, and maybe our economy, but if the largest populace on the face of (the other side of) the earth continue their ways, what then?

I suppose we could try ending our demand for cheap Chinese products (where do those Wal-Mart shoppers get the money?), but we are not the only ones demanding them. 'Product made in China, so copier can be assembled in Japan.' Tough nut to crack, eh?


Posted by: chaunceygardener | October 13, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

@bobbo2 I see you finally on-board with anthropogenic global warming, and are now focussed on the solutions, most of which you do not like. This is progress. We all admit there is much work to be done to solve the problems of global warming...so let's get started, OK.

@paraelvotante It turns but that the stronger hurricanes are getting stronger (higher wind speeds). There is no upward trend in weaker hurricanes (those with lower wind speeds). Broadly speaking, Gore was correct and you are wrong. Gore was not lying. It turns out that AGW deniers are wrong. See:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/The-link-between-hurricanes-and-global-warming.html

Posted by: ptgrunner | October 13, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Jonah, "Jesse Ventura is on top of it"? You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

Posted by: bigfish2 | October 13, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Well, bobbo, all that "money that will be pinched from businesses and citizens", where will it go, you ask. You know perfectly well where it will go: it will go to businesses and citizens, and maybe even immigrants, some of which will certaihly be among the "pinched", working and creating in areas that relate to our adjustment to climate changes and to mitigating them. Neat, hunh?

Alexander MacDonald, San Francisco

Posted by: morphex | October 13, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

The approach that President Obama wants to take with a carbon tax, cap and trade, and a myriad of taxes on thousands of energy related items is a fraud on our Nation. The damage it will do to our economy is unacceptable. The billions and billions of dollars that will be pinched from business and citizens will go where and do what? Energy is being turned into a new cash cow for the Federal Government. And will all of that money go to "save" the planet? Of course not.

Posted by: bobbo2 | October 12, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Tom~~~~I wonder quite a bit just how much time we might have before history is no longer an issue. My real name is funny looking. I am a very serious guy when I make my comments. More serious than your cartoons. Today's cartoon was very funny. I think you could put half of all our politicians on that table with him. Does your neighbor have a noisy leaf blower too?

What would be the purpose behind lying about the Global Warming issue? Do a cartoon about HAARP. They have been using this to change our weather patterns. Or is that a WaPo No No? Oh well don't worry? Jesse Ventura is on top of it!

Posted by: JONAHandtheFISH | October 12, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Amigo, instead of whining about people not having the freedom to believe in natural climate change please ask former VP Al Gore why he was so wrong when Gore said in 2005 there would be more frequent and stronger hurricanes like Katrina which would be the nail in the coffin provening manmade global warming is real? Mentira henious.

Posted by: paraelvotante | October 12, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Is everyone ready for the miserable hum of clean energy? There have been lawsuits filed in Illinois, Texas, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Massachusetts over the sound that wind turbines make. In one case in Illinois 38 families hve sued to have 100 wind turbines removed. A judge has refused to dismiss the case. Many people were told that they would not even hear the turbines. They were duped. And of course the environmental crowd are not worried about the thousands of birds that are killed by wind turbines. Back to the drawing board.

Posted by: bobbo2 | October 12, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I can answer that one, NO!

Posted by: bertzel | October 12, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Climate change might be real but look how much money it will cost to try to fix it! We would better off investing in mutual funds, don't you think?

Posted by: duke5 | October 12, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

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