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Got the message!

Okay, it was a sweeping mandate for change. And so shall it be. Health-care reform shall be repealed, and the number of Americans who have no insurance shall rise in the face of ever-increasing health-care costs. They will not receive regular care but will be able to visit over-crowded emergency rooms when their untreated chronic condition becomes critical and it is too late to help.

The rich shall continue to collect and own a higher and higher percentage of the economy, and the legislature, and the courts. Product and food safety rules will continue to be weakened, but there will always be the overcrowded emergency rooms to deal with that. Minimum wage laws shall be repealed, and you will have the freedom to work three jobs for the rest of your life without the ability to retire ever because Social Security shall be privatized and your three jobs don't pay enough for you to save anything.

The climate shall deteriorate, and a freak tornado where, hey, we didn't USED TO get tornadoes here at this time of year, will blow your house down. There will be no FEMA and not even a Brownie to help you out. When your equally devastated neighbors come prowling around looking for food, you will have plenty of guns to shoo them away. Although they will have their guns too. Because of police department cuts, you can work that out for yourselves. The loser can go to the overcrowded emergency room. Oh, wait, that just got closed for budget reasons. --Tom Toles

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By Tom Toles  | November 11, 2010; 12:00 AM ET
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@dalyplanet: "one other little thing...Explain to me how a government insurance adds value to overall health care compared to a private insurer."

Ok, let me try. Medicare spends about 4% administrating payments. Private insurance spends upwards of 15% on stated overhead.

That simply means 11 cents of every dollar spent through Medicare can fund HEALTH CARE and not fill the coffers of insurance companies for advertising, profits, CEO bonuses, etc.

Yes, Obamacare requires individuals to have insurance. I do not hear anyone nashing teeth about requirements for automobile insurance, though. I consider my health more important than my car. Individual participation in plans (regardless of underwriter) is part of the shared sacrifice to improve the health of the population just as accept responsibility for shared risks on the highway.

Posted by: DougMUSN | November 11, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

one other little thing

Explain to me how a government insurance adds value to overall health care compared to a private insurer.

A comparison available to my tiny mind is, government delivery service (POST OFFICE) and private delivery service (UPS FEDEX) The government service is going broke and the private services are doing well and I believe give more value, faster cheaper smarter, so like Darwin says, it looks like survival of the fittest with the post office gradually going extinct. So why or how is government insurance better than private.

Another government insurance is social security and look what a great job government has done there, stole the money and benefits exceeding incomes in the near future.

Another government insurance is federal mortgage insurance Freddy Mac and Fanny May, and boy haven't they done a great job managing risk.

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

OK
President Obama's "deficit commission chairman" proposed eliminating

THE HOME MORTGAGE INTEREST DEDUCTION

TAX FREE EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE

GONE!?!?

feel better now?

I have a hard time imagining this was dropped in a vacuum without consulting the orator in chief but maybe.

But the proposal is a big tax increase (100 billion a year mainly on the middle class) and would balance the budget in 30 YEARS by 2040 !!! these are the facts as reported by the Wash Post an NY times.

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 11, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

If all Liberals think the same, and all Democrats are Liberals, why don't all Democrats vote the same? Because neither premise is true, obviously. Unlike Republicans, the Democrats can't even agree with each other as to whether to exercise the actual power of the filibuster, much less paralyzing government with the mere threat of one.

On the supposed proposal to eliminate mortgage interest, perhaps one way to "be civil and work cooperatively to better America," would be to check facts before posting statements as if they were true.

Much less time would be wasted if the debate here and elsewhere was about facts, rather than misinformation.

On health care, Science, the environment, Science, Socialism (be friggin' serious for a minute, eh?), corporate welfare, the corruption of government by legalized bribery... maybe some adherence to reality and accepted definitions (Webster's comes to mind) would be a good start.

Speaking of Socialism, why is it that Socializing risk through insurance is such an excellent idea, but socializing profit by taking that insurance concept COMPLETELY public (i.e. WE own the insurance company because it is US, pun intended) such a terrible idea? Do so many of us own shares of health insurance companies, that getting rid of the profit motive in the administration of benefits would be a generally BAD thing?!?

Private health insurance adds ZERO value to the administration of benefits vs. public health insurance, and the risks are already socialized, so how do we justify the profits?
NO value. NO risk. Guaranteed profits.

And regulations, written on behalf of the private insurers, that make it basically impossible for a startup to come in and upset the apple cart... much less there be a serious threat to profits from any government-run one. What a system!!

Posted by: jonroesler | November 11, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I see my comment about "common ground" was pretty much trampled into the ground and buried. Oh well...that much more reason to work harder towards it.

One thing to note for those that voted the way they did because "the Democrats had their chance". The recession that we plunged into under the previous administration presented the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression. If you recall, it took the US over a decade to get out of that, and a huge, nationwide war effort that pulled everyone together helped a lot too.

To expect this recession to have been over a mere 22 months after a change of administration is unrealistic. Had McCain and a bunch of Republicans been running the show for the last two years, it wouldn't have made any difference. An economy doesn't pull itself up from the gates of doom in 22 months. That being said, the economy HAS been adding jobs and growing pretty much all of the last year. Not very fast, not very dramatically, but growing none the less. These are the points that Democrats failed to communicate very well, and it cost them. Our impatient society wanted instant gratification again, when none was possible.

Let's hope that a House dominated by Republicans can find some way to cooperate with the other elements in Washington, and not fall into the partisan rancor that is already starting to eminate from some of its members. Their job is not to "beat the other guy". Their job is to do what's best for the nation. They forget that sometimes. It's up to us to remind them.

Posted by: PrairieDog60 | November 11, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

For clarification of what I mean, let's examine further some of -your post.
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Again, you (just like all Liberals) don't take any responsibility. It's rather fascinating, actually. Your party is just like the little kid who hides the cookie behind his back when his Mom asks him if he has been in the cookie jar. You predictably never mention that the Democrats didn't do anything wrong!! Not once!! I stated in my post that the GOP realizes they have to perform better this time and that Republicans such as Pence, Cantor, Ryan, Boehner all have regrets about the Bush years and know full well that the GOP must perform better. I note you did not cut and paste that portion of my post into your post. Nice.
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The "liberals," by which I assume you mean "Democrats (ha)," are a kid who has stolen from a cookie jar (?), while Republicans, who ran both houses of Congress and the Presidency, simply have to "perform better." They apparently did nothing "wrong," no that is reserved for those childish Democrats, they just somehow had things not work out for them despite their best efforts and the fact that they must have been doing the right thing all along. Or they were I guess, in your mind, somehow overcome by the Democrats, who can barely manage to organize together enough to pass a resolution saying "Puppies are cute."

Maybe now you can see what I was getting at. I am not defending Democrats, but to dismiss the Republican role in where we are today, or even to try to somehow pin blame on the Democrats as equal partners, is just plain ridiculous.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | November 11, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Tom- Way back in the good old days before WashPost required a password sign-in (which I forget the day after it's given to me)- I used to click on and enjoy your cartoons every day... It's always seemed to me that they were (almost always) the funniest (as well as the most badly drawn )political cartoons of that day...I still feel that way ..I now see you're throwing in a sort of "op ed" daily rant? it's kind of amusing also (Does your paper get an added column for free?)..I'm not sure the rants are as effect as your cartoons -One (even poorly-drawn) picture can be worth 1,000 words (or so I've heard)...Since today's rant concerns American Health Care (or lack of it)- I'd like to type a few words on that subject as well...It seems to me that what's commonly referred to as "O'Bama Care" will offer the most benefits to our medical insurence companies and- in a worsening business economy the Republicans as well- Insurence companies will gain more cash-strapped younger healthy under-employed workers who will either vote Republican in 2012 or won't bother to vote at all (Either way- good news for the GOP)-Team O'Bama had a clear Democratic majority in both Houses when our Present Health Care was passed.O'Bama seemed to be willing to make compromise after Compromise to get this legislation passed- to doctors, hospitals, drug companies, the insurance industry -He even made concessions to Republicans (who voted against the final deeply flawed bill anyway)- Why deeply flawed?- The Government Option (i.e Socialized Medicine) was sacrificed to keep some so-called Democrats on board-The result?- We'll still have the most expensive health care in the entire Western World- Not exactly what I's call a legacy to be proud of...Of course - when the Smartest Kid on The Block is let go to be replaced with the Dumbest Kid in the Room Think someone like Sarah Palin here -or the recently retired Pretender-in Chief - I'll never understand what saved Bush's assets the 2nd time around (in spite of the most inexcusable ,longest war we've ever fought- a clear majority of voters went for him- maybe the housing bubble saved him... or the fact he was too crafty (gutless) to call for a military draft...Life is hardly ever fair..If the economy worsens- We WILL vote in someone else...Well, that's (probably more) than enough today Tom..You'll never get my vote for the "Walt Kelly Fine Arts Award"- but you ARE one of my favorite cartoonists (For what it's worth)

Posted by: madhattertucson | November 11, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Did you actually graduate from college? Take any english courses? When is your next try at the GED?

You complain: "I would like to point out that in this entire paragraph you don't once mention Republicans."

I wrote: "The fact is for every vote on the war or for big federal spending programs during the Bush years, there were Democrats voting for it too."

It's going to be hard for you but it is clear I meant 'Republicans and Democrats too'

Posted by: pararanger22 | November 11, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

If you would like to insult my intelligence feel free. However, you did not manage to refute what I said, that you did not once mention "Republicans" by name, whereas you did manage to mention "Democrats" by name a couple times, which is what I was noting. And I was saying how intellectually dishonest it is to try to frame the argument that way, in that Republicans controlled the entire federal government at the time.

To blame the minority because "some of them voted" a certain way while ignoring that the majority pretty much voted lock-step in unison on EVERYTHING and claim this proves that the minority is "afraid of taking responsibility" is either dishonest or you are downright deranged.

Also you aren't good at metaphors so you should stop.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | November 11, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

~~~United we stand, divided we fall."
Dave
Posted by: OckamsRazor~~~

Already have fallen then haven't we...I'm just waiting for us to hit bottom...certainly can't stop mid-air now can we.
I see this blog has gone stagnant again.......time for a vacation.

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Posted by: bertzel | November 11, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | November 11, 2010 10:46 AM

["I would like to point out that in this entire paragraph you don't once mention Republicans. Republicans who pushed the war, Republicans are who turned it into an election year issue, painting anyone opposed as soft or wimpy or even treacherous. Republicans pushed huge tax cuts and kept the wars off the books and insisted that two wars were no reason to raise taxes, in fact it was reason to further cut them. Spending went up under the Republicans, taxes went down, and somehow this was OK to you. And now, now when it all falls apart do you say "Wait a minute, what the hell were you all thinking?" No, you seem perfectly happy trying to shift everything to the Democrats. "The Democrats voted for it too!" is the refrain we all hear all the time. You speak of "taking responsibility" yet you simultaneously dismiss the responsibility of those who actually were in power and try to shift it to the minority. It's an interesting disconnect to watch in action."]
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Did you actually graduate from college? Take any english courses? When is your next try at the GED?

You complain: "I would like to point out that in this entire paragraph you don't once mention Republicans."

I wrote: "The fact is for every vote on the war or for big federal spending programs during the Bush years, there were Democrats voting for it too."

It's going to be hard for you but it is clear I meant 'Republicans and Democrats too'

Again, you (just like all Liberals) don't take any responsibility. It's rather fascinating, actually. Your party is just like the little kid who hides the cookie behind his back when his Mom asks him if he has been in the cookie jar. You predictably never mention that the Democrats didn't do anything wrong!! Not once!! I stated in my post that the GOP realizes they have to perform better this time and that Republicans such as Pence, Cantor, Ryan, Boehner all have regrets about the Bush years and know full well that the GOP must perform better. I note you did not cut and paste that portion of my post into your post. Nice.

Write what you want about the wars and their funding. I agree with some of it but not all. The bottom line is the GOP paid the price at the ballot box in 2006/8. The Liberals assumed power with teflon majorities in both the House and Senate and you won the WH. The election this month is a pretty good indicator of your performance: pitiful. Blame it on everything else and everyone else if you want - that will only improve GOP opportunities in 2012.

Posted by: pararanger22 | November 11, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

By the way, did you all see your One Hit Wonder, Mr. I will not raise taxes on the middle class, unless you earn $250,000 or more, just proposed eliminating TWO MAJOR middle class tax breaks

THE HOME MORTGAGE INTEREST DEDUCTION

TAX FREE EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE

GONE!?!?

You Libs have got to be so bummed with this guy.

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 11, 2010 10:32 AM
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I guess posting false information is par for the course for you. If you had actually kept up with the news, you would realize that those were *proposals* made by the heads of the deficit commission. They were not agreed to by the other members (14 of 18 must agree before the report will be sent to Congress), and even the president is moving away from those recommendations. IOW, you are lying in your attempt to score some cheap rhetorical points.

Posted by: dfritzin | November 11, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

You and Toles are the hosts of one enormous, never-ending, Liberal pity party.
Hopeless.
Posted by: pararanger22

My Reply...
You and your Republican Party are the ones who are pityful and hopeless. You are clueless sheep to the slaughter. If the agenda of the Republican Party succeeds, it will be the Republicans who will be responsible for more death and destruction due to ignorance and they as well as us will suffer the consequences. "It rains on the just as well as the unjust." The battle cries of the Republicans are, "stick it to the poor, turn the working people in wageslaves and shut the government down. The chaos will be deafening.
"United we stand, divided we fall."
Dave

Posted by: OckamsRazor | November 11, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

idiotocracy [id-ee-ot-kruh-see] (n.) - a form of government created when the mal- & misinformed are persuaded into voting against their own best interests and elect incompetent ideologues by self serving multi-millionaires, billionaires and corporations. Sustained by tricking people into inhaling fear and exhaling anger as a means of reviewing public policy and the "debate" there of.

Posted by: pete1013 | November 11, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Solutions:

1) Instant Runoff Voting, which will lead to...

Viable third parties,
More vigorous debates,
More accountability,
Less corporate influence in elections.

2) Personal civic action and responsibility, which will lead to...

A more involved electorate,
A more intelligent electorate,
Less need for government to solve so many problems.

3) Turn off the TV (and the blogs too!), especially cable news, which will lead to...

Less polarization,
More common ground,
Less vitriol and hatred for someone you may disagree with, leading to...
More common ground.

4) Support your local growers, manufacturers, schools, downtowns, etc, which will lead to...

Decreased fuel comsumption,
Decreased carbon emissions,
Better farming practices (because you will know how your food is grown),
A healthier local economy,
Healthier humans.

5) Make decisions based on several generations from now, which will lead to...

Sustainability,
Less consumption of natural resources,
A world our kids can love as much as we have, and "leave better than they found it".

Posted by: PrairieDog60 | November 11, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The fact is for every vote on the war or for big federal spending programs during the Bush years, there were Democrats voting for it too. It wasn't a big lie about the wars - Democrats were briefed on the same info the WH was getting. The Fannie/Freddie mess had a direct role on the economic downturn that began at Lehmans. Barney Frank played an extensive role but the wonderful judgement of the Wellesley, MA district brought this failure back to power. Go figure.

Posted by: pararanger22 | November 11, 2010 3:22 AM | Report abuse

I would like to point out that in this entire paragraph you don't once mention Republicans. Republicans who pushed the war, Republicans are who turned it into an election year issue, painting anyone opposed as soft or wimpy or even treacherous. Republicans pushed huge tax cuts and kept the wars off the books and insisted that two wars were no reason to raise taxes, in fact it was reason to further cut them. Spending went up under the Republicans, taxes went down, and somehow this was OK to you. And now, now when it all falls apart do you say "Wait a minute, what the hell were you all thinking?" No, you seem perfectly happy trying to shift everything to the Democrats. "The Democrats voted for it too!" is the refrain we all hear all the time.

You speak of "taking responsibility" yet you simultaneously dismiss the responsibility of those who actually were in power and try to shift it to the minority. It's an interesting disconnect to watch in action.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | November 11, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

By the way, did you all see your One Hit Wonder, Mr. I will not raise taxes on the middle class, unless you earn $250,000 or more, just proposed eliminating TWO MAJOR middle class tax breaks

THE HOME MORTGAGE INTEREST DEDUCTION

TAX FREE EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE

GONE!?!?

You Libs have got to be so bummed with this guy.

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 11, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone say "Soylent Green"?

Posted by: 666TheDevil | November 11, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

DougMUSN

Obamacare is national Health Insurance that you will HAVE to buy OR pay a penalty to the IRS. A choice of ONE. States now have control over the health insurance pools, in my state there are 5 choices. If this was deregulated so you could buy insurance from any state pool one would have a choice of more than 200 pools. This means the individual could choose the plan that meets the need themselves. Or as it is coming soon with Obamacare a choice of one where a government man tells you what you get. See?

A tax CREDIT pays out even if your tax is zero. This is different than a tax deduction. This would allow people with no income to have some CHOICE in their coverage rather than the state single payer insurance that is now covering the cost, supported with Fed block grants. This would allow small clinics in the mall or other non hospital settings to compete because you would not HAVE to go to the big hospital the current plan requires.

In Minnesota Big Education is more than HALF the budget. You can't even see the prison slice on the pie chart.

IF we are cooking the planet as you state it is not for greed but rather, refrigeration, air conditioning, heating, lighting, transportation, communication, vacation, industry, manufacture, food, etc. We can not live without power. Especially if you live in the city because cities consume HUGE power.

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 11, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

DougMUSN

Obamacare is national Health Insurance that you will HAVE to buy OR pay a penalty to the IRS. A choice of ONE. States now have control over the health insurance pools, in my state there are 5 choices. If this was deregulated so you could buy insurance from any state pool one would have a choice of more than 200 pools. This means the individual could choose the plan that meets the need themselves. Or as it is coming soon with Obamacare a choice of one where a government man tells you what you get. See?

A tax CREDIT pays out even if your tax is zero. This is different than a tax deduction. This would allow people with no income to have some CHOICE in their coverage rather than the state single payer insurance that is now covering the cost, supported with Fed block grants. This would allow small clinics in the mall or other non hospital settings to compete because you would not HAVE to go to the big hospital the current plan requires.

In Minnesota Big Education is more than HALF the budget. You can't even see the prison slice on the pie chart.

IF we are cooking the planet as you state it is not for greed but rather, refrigeration, air conditioning, heating, lighting, transportation, communication, vacation, industry, manufacture, food, etc. We can not live without power. Especially if you live in the city because cities consume HUGE power.

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 11, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

@DougMUSN: My father's most lasting message to me was simple: "Leave it better than you found it."

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Timeless, simple message, that I wish more people (Repub and Dem alike) would heed.

Oh, but wait...

Living toward that ideal would mean we would have to think for ourselves and it would mean we might have to do some hard work.

Hmm....tell you what....nevermnd.

Let's just maintain the status quo and start handing out the canoes. We'll need them to survive the flooded coastlines caused by the melting ice caps.

And don't forget to throw in the gas masks. We'll need those to breathe the polluted air wafting in from the over-industrialized Far East caused by our insatiable need for cheap, disposable, non-biodegradable plastic goods from China's factories.


Posted by: amethystmarbles | November 11, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Someone said something about getting exactly the government we deserve. Geez... I must have been horrid in a previous life!

Posted by: CardFan | November 11, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait ... Armageddon in the old USA ... Time to emigrate - now I know what it feels like living in Mexico ... where the majority live in poverty or near poverty. The rich and their Republican buddies should be aware, however, that their counterparts in Mexico have to live in barricaded domiciles along with armed body guards -

Posted by: PlumHunter | November 11, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow!
The right wingnut clowns really came out for this one.

Posted by: GeneTouchet | November 11, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Today's message sounds like what happens in Washington DC on a daily basis isn't that were you live Toles? DC is run 100% by leftwing socialist Democrat liberals, but only criminals always still have guns and Jim Webb's aide had one once.

Posted by: bignoisylawnmower | November 11, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Great cartoon.

Mr. Toles, take some comfort from Lincoln's prediction that all the people will not stay fooled all the time. They will see that health care in the ER will be the most expensive way to go and tht we have a bill to cut medical cost - if we leave it alone and let it function. It will get better. So will the economy and even you will learn what a "lagging indicator" is.

You might ask "Why did you not tell me earlier?"

I did.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | November 11, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

@dalyplanet: "Private hospitals across the country are on a massive construction expansion boom. Lots of capacity and not subject to the federal budget. More choice in insurance providers and a tax credit to help the low incomes purchase insurance of their choice is much better than the recent reform."

A few points about health care:
- Insurance companies do little to nothing to improve the health of the nation. They are (appropriately) interested in the health of their bottom line for their owners and stockholders. They only add their fees on top of health care fees.
- Many "low incomes" will be unable to scrape together the cost for insurance, like my son whom I am sadly unable to help, my 401K having become a 201K courtesy of our recent financial meltdown. INCOME tax credits are of little use to those who have no net taxes to begin with.
- Absent reform, insurance costs will be set by the whim of the insurer, hardly ever lower.
- Brick and mortar hospitals are probably the worst vehicle for health care delivery. If you have ever been hospitalized, you will learn the joy of a $10 aspirin tablet. Primary prevention of disease is not sexy but it is powerful: immunizations beat epidemics any day. I would love to be ten years younger and missed getting polio. Primary prevention may indeed be those foolish bike paths and efforts to improve child and adult nutrition.

I understand the conservative position may be summarized as this: if it's not in the Constitution, we should stop doing it. Fair enough.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

As an openly acknowledged progressive, I just have a different idea about what constitutes "Justice" and "general Welfare". I am angry about paying more for prisons than for the education which would prevent incarceration in the first place. I am angry our marginalization of AIDS patients at the outset gave us multiply drug resistant tuberculosis, now a risk for all who breath air. I am angry as we cook our only planet and foul the air and water in the name of greed. My father's most lasting message to me was simple: "Leave it better than you found it." I fear as a society we are failing that test.

Posted by: DougMUSN | November 11, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: OckamsRazor:

["It is my opinion that anyone who is a Republican is responsible for the results of the election of Bush/Cheney and their lies and deception that lead to the preemptive war against Iraq on false pretenses, the failure of the economy and the distortion of information to deceive the public. There is no end of divisiveness, corruption and greed in sight. Dave"]

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There is no support for your opinions other than the many Liberal sad sacks like you. It's always someone elses fault for your situation. GOP, Democrats, USG, State Government. Someone. Just not you, right?

Liberals, even veterans like you, take no responsibility for their part in the nonsense that has been going on in DC. But do you ever read about Liberals admitting to that - no. Cantor, Boehner, Pence, Ryan, the Tea Party, all have stated that no change means no reelection in 2012. The GOP got a gold Willy Wonka ticket to return to power so soon - they're pretty sober in their predictions of nothing but very hard work and no nonsense through 2012. We'll have to see how they do. I think their chances on succeeding 'enough' are about 50/50.

The fact is for every vote on the war or for big federal spending programs during the Bush years, there were Democrats voting for it too. It wasn't a big lie about the wars - Democrats were briefed on the same info the WH was getting. The Fannie/Freddie mess had a direct role on the economic downturn that began at Lehmans. Barney Frank played an extensive role but the wonderful judgement of the Wellesley, MA district brought this failure back to power. Go figure.

If you want to face someone gullible; someone who shifts all blame; someone that isn't honest with themselves, just look in the mirror with all the rest of your Liberal diaspora. Not a pretty picture - who would want to believe in your team again?

No one.

You and Toles are the hosts of one enormous, never-ending, Liberal pity party.

Hopeless.

Posted by: pararanger22 | November 11, 2010 3:22 AM | Report abuse

Why do you believe all Republicans are traitors as it is about half of the population today?
Posted by: dalyplanet

My Reply...
Traitor betrayer: somebody who is disloyal or treacherous
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Treacherous
Traitorous: betraying or ready to betray somebody's trust, confidence, or faith
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

It is my opinion that anyone who is a Republican is responsible for the results of the election of Bush/Cheney and their lies and deception that lead to the preemptive war against Iraq on false pretenses, the failure of the economy and the distortion of information to deceive the public.
There is no end of divisiveness, corruption and greed in sight.
Dave

Posted by: OckamsRazor | November 11, 2010 2:15 AM | Report abuse

All liberals come off as wimps. Why do you think their thinking got shellacked in this last election? Kids can't even order Happy Meals in San Fran unless they toe the liberal line for nutrition?

Posted by: billybeer6 | November 10, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Right On, as usual.
Wish you were a replacement for Harry Reid!
Harry means well but comes over as "wimpy".

Posted by: lufrank1 | November 10, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

My Reply...
That is a good idea DalyPlanet, the only problem is that The Republicans are traitors and are doing everything they can to destroy this nation in my opinion.
Dave

Posted by: OckamsRazor | November 10, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

That is a very large brush you are using to paint Republicans. Many local Republican polititicos I know are working on the idea of improving their local government by controlling poor or excessive spending and reducing impediments to small business.

Poor planning with pension benefit increases are causing funding shortfalls in the future in Minnesota. One Fireman's fund currently has an 18 million annual shortfall and was allowed to opt out of the state fund 21 years ago and is now looking for a state bailout. These guys made a choice that was poor but adamant, like middle finger adamant, and I believe a conservative legislature will provide a better balance to resolve this fairly for the taxpayer than a liberal one. No one is proposing to let this fund tank but the city that allowed this maverick fund to exist should participate in it's recovery so they learn to play nice. Excessive increases (10,11,and 12 percent increases) in good times which are logarithmic and not lineal in cost's are the cause of this problem. Had some restraint been provided in better times this shortfall would not be the case today. One example.

Why do you believe all Republicans are traitors as it is about half of the population today?

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 10, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

P.S. The vitriol of the Bush Bashers is amazing, deep and wide, and does nothing to solve the problems we Americans are facing today. We should all try to be civil and work cooperatively to better America. Ideas?
Posted by: dalyplanet

My Reply...
That is a good idea DalyPlanet, the only problem is that The Republicans are traitors and are doing everything they can to destroy this nation in my opinion.
Dave

Posted by: OckamsRazor | November 10, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Nice rant but

Private hospitals across the country are on a massive construction expansion boom. Lots of capacity and not subject to the federal budget. More choice in insurance providers and a tax credit to help the low incomes purchase insurance of their choice is much better than the recent reform.

Social security is already broke and it is the Dems/Libs that don't want to change the program. Plus if you die before you use it why can't you pass it along.

Food safety is not telling me I can't buy the Happy Meal with the crap toy, or trans fat is illegal. Product safety is not telling me I can't buy a toy with lead in it including anything with a lead acid battery such as a scooter. OK in my car but not the moped.

If the city can't afford the police anymore it's because they spent the money planning to build bike trails, or building bike trails, or putting GPS monitoring on the school buses, or building money loosing condos "because it had a grocery store", or building $50,000 drinking fountains X 10, or putting a "grass roof"!? on the money loosing sports arena they own, or owning the money loosing sports arena in the first place because they "guaranteed it" if it wouldn't work privately, or all the tax they are not getting because of TIF districts in perpetuity. This is the house the Dems/Libs built in my town. Too many toys at the expense of the basics.

Most importantly WEATHER deteriorates CLIMATE shifts. Back in the pre computer pre satellite pre internet pre doppler radar days a lot of weather was missed because it was unseen or unreported. A late season tornado is still weather and has probably happened before but no one was there to see it or report it. 31 years of satellite data is not enough to state a massive climactic shift especially if the blame is to be entirely placed on human activity. Climate change takes longer than a persons lifetime to see. Arctic ice data is hard to find before 1979 but unpowered sailing vessels made the Northwest passage at the beginning of the industrial age. Severe droughts and bad weather have happened regularly over the past 20 centuries. Plus a lot more people have died from cold than from warm. We are really at the very beginning of accurate climate science and it is a big HUGE study in variables and poor or proxy data from the past probably clouds(pun Intended) the issue. If the data is so incontrovertible why is it so hard to find? Comparing 20 years of a cold period to ten years of a warm period will show warming but is it permanent,or entirely man made, no one knows with certainty as modern methods have such a short reporting period. IPCC reports show larger historical temperature variations with each subsequent report. The bottom line Don't blame the WEATHER on the CLIMATE.

P.S. The vitriol of the Bush Bashers is amazing, deep and wide, and does nothing to solve the problems we Americans are facing today. We should all try to be civil and work cooperatively to better America. Ideas?

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 10, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Let's see what else can go wrong... The Big One hits Cali, an asteroid collision, another major terrorist attack...

Posted by: chaunceygardener | November 10, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

About two years ago there was a big vacuum cleaner on top that bubble sucking the life and freedom from the American people which just led to the big toilet flush on November 2ndddddd.

Posted by: billybeer6 | November 10, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

~~~Somehow. I don't know. Tea?
Posted by: jhnnywalkr |~~~

I dunno...where the hell has bobbo2 been? I recall him SHOUTING something a while back...now that I think of it he hasn't been around since that last circus held at the mall...
shout out to bobbo2!!!
care to put in your 2 cents worth here? As for me, I'm going to have some Coffee so I can stay awake long enough to watch the sitcoms tonight..

Posted by: bertzel | November 10, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Poor poor Tommy ol boy .... is this what we can expect for the next two years? Pray tell how bad will your meltdown be once you Nigerian Messiah gets thrown out in 2012?

Posted by: SharpshootingPugilist | November 10, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

OK, sure, if you want to look at it THAT way it sounds bad, but the alternative is sound and fair policies, which just sounds a little close to socialism to me. Somehow. I don't know. Tea?

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | November 10, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

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