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By Tom Toles

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By Tom Toles  | November 7, 2010; 12:00 AM ET
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I'm pretty sure the federal lending standard only applies to loans funded with federally insured funds, in which case I'm fine with strict regulations.

I have no problem with banks taking stupid risks. What I have a problem with is the banks taking risks, and me and the rest of the taxpaying public being on the hook for saving the banks when the loans go south.

Don't want to submit to regulations? Fine. Insure yourself.
Oops... That's right, even an association of private banks insuring themselves, would insist on regulations that would do a good job of protecting their assets. How unfair!

Posted by: jonroesler | November 8, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't you place a 'g' at the end of thinkin in your title, for God's sake?

I can't speak for Toles however my guess is that it RHYMES with Lincoln....just sayin'.

Posted by: bertzel | November 7, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

You don't know what is in it, but you don't agree? What kind of imbecile are you? Republican or Tea Bagger?

Would it be too much frigging trouble to learn to read?
Hillbilly!

Posted by: law1946 | November 7, 2010 3:54 PM


LOL or laughing out loud or :- )

the common voter, myself included, does not know all that the "health care plan" entailed...but I'm sure you had access and read the entire plan...how many pages????? Please feel free to lecture me and others about it! Maybe we will learn something...

....I did not say I disagreed with "it",per se, but the way it was passed did not help the citizens of this country, hence the complete division of people. A wrench thrown in the common good.

Posted by: bertzel | November 7, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't you place a 'g' at the end of thinkin in your title, for God's sake?

Posted by: david-mckenzie | November 7, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I disagree....I don't know what all is in that Health Care Plan and neither do the rest of the voters. It did not HELP the
American people by 'shoving' something down their throats which they did not want let alone understand the full implications of what they were forced to eat.

You don't know what is in it, but you don't agree? What kind of imbecile are you? Republican or Tea Bagger?

Would it be too much frigging trouble to learn to read?
Hillbilly!

Posted by: law1946 | November 7, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 6, 2010 4:12 PM
"jonroesler I did the same number crunching over the last election and the margin was even slightly slimmer then but in terms of local and national seats won this election change is huge, bigger than any shift in my lifetime. The people made it clear that they are not liking the shift to a bigger federal government."

I am not going to debate your numbers because, they are irrelevant to your assertion that "The people made it clear that they are not liking the shift to a bigger federal government." You are being very disingenuous. The majority of Americans did not make it clear what they want. The majority of Americans do not vote. It was a small group of the voting minority that made their preference known, and that preference is subject to their fickle whims, here today, gone tomorrow. Boehner knows this all to well.

Posted by: bushidollar | November 7, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Having had the Bush tax cuts in place for almost ten years means we would need to compensate times two for the next ten years or so along with letting them expire, just to be breaking even. As if that, or anything like it, is likely to happen.

"Fiscal responsibility." Hmmm...

Posted by: jonroesler | November 7, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Having had the Bush tax cuts in place for almost ten years means we would need to compensate times two for the next ten years or so along with letting them expire, just to be breaking even. Talk about a bad idea that keeps on giving...

Posted by: jonroesler | November 7, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse


Oh! And don't forget: the voters HAVE repudiated everything.

Posted by: quiensabe | November 7, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse


If the "divided house" curtails Obama from his quest to "destroy the house" then that's a good thing.

Dismantle Obamacare...that's a start.

Posted by: quiensabe | November 7, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

We are divided and the division is deliberate. Forces are at work in the press, corporate, political and religious communities to feed the public misinformation, lies and innuendo. For in confusion there is a path to profit and power.

Posted by: MyVoice3 | November 7, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Abraham Lincoln : You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time.

That should work for 2012.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | November 7, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

bignoisy....

```We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.~~~

Realistically speaking that is indeed a true statement . The key word in that phrase is Creator. And indeed all are created equal in regards to our Creator.

Realistically speaking, too, that statement is false when it comes to our fellow man and those who rule (governments). In this regard, we are not seen or treated as equals by mankind itself...therefore equality does not truly exist.

Posted by: bertzel | November 7, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Anyone reading or viewing Tom Toles should be able to connect the dots.... which is what artists do. We need more intuitive types in the country (in addition to excellent math & science types) and it is kind of Tom Toles to provide the subject matter in a most excellent way.

Posted by: Tony-KS | November 6, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

probably get double posted again...my bad...

Anyway, hey bignoisy...I've got some leaves that need mulching...you up for the job??

Posted by: bertzel | November 6, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey bignoisy...I've got some leaves that need some...you up for the job???

Posted by: bertzel | November 6, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I disagree that not knowing the full terms of each piece of legislation "hurts" the American people~~~

Not knowing much at all about it created mass party disparity....that in itself Hurt the people of the US of A. Not listening to the masses.....another HURT.

And in case you haven't noticed....we don't always get what we or who we vote for.

Posted by: bertzel | November 6, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

and Jefferson can see President Palin sitting in the Oval Office in January 2013 and 65 and 260 Republicans/Tea Partiers sitting in Congress to the right ..."We hold these truths to be self evident .."

Posted by: bignoisylawnmower | November 6, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I disagree that not knowing the full terms of each piece of legislation "hurts" the American people. Our government is designed as a "republican" (small R) democracy, which means that we elect people whose job it is to represent us, and whose job it is to read the legislation they pass. Pretty much every piece of legislation passed is "shoved down our throats" the same way health care legislation was; the difference is that we don't always have corporations sponsoring advertising opposing legislation unfavorable to them.

I predict this will happen MUCH more often since the SC decision that opened the floodgates.

Second, the best way to help EVERY American would be to pass some sort of truly universal health care legislation, but that has not happened yet. Every other industrial nation on the planet has universal health care. Each is different, and most rely on the private sector to a great extent. What almost all have in common is that, there is little or no profit paid to administer paperwork; profit on the administration of claims is fairly unique to the United States and, in my opinion, is the single biggest waste of money in the health care system. (Fraud being a close second, but private insurance does not eliminate fraud.)

Could private industry do it better than the public? Data for the last fifty years from all industrialized countries says it doesn't, and it isn't like it hasn't been tried. Even Mexico plans to implement universal health care in 2012; that is deep irony.

As for the rest, everybody feels slighted somehow by legislation passed by one party or another, but it seems to me that the most important job of any government is to do what is best for ALL of its citizens. Not just the ones with the most money, and not just the poor. There needs to be balance, and we pretty much HAVE balance.

I'm not wealthy, but I have enough that I can afford to share. A little community, on the national scale, never hurt anyone.

And, yes, I too am forced to subsidize other people's health care (insurance is also a pool, in case nobody noticed), roads, police and fire protection, schools to educate other people's children, etc. That's part of the cost of being civilized.

Posted by: jonroesler | November 6, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

jonroesler I did the same number crunching over the last election and the margin was even slightly slimmer then but in terms of local and national seats won this election change is huge, bigger than any shift in my lifetime. The people made it clear that they are not liking the shift to a bigger federal government.

In terms of harm many of these reforms have not kicked in yet so the harm is not known yet. One provision of health care is that 1099's are required for all business to business transactions which is a horrible piece of legislation passed with NO discussion. This will require some businesses to send thousands of 1099's every year for what purpose. The banking legislation requires ALL banks to evaluate loans on a federal standard making getting a commercial loan very difficult. This IS causing harm.

Why does reform have to be top down. Why can't health insurance be like car insurance with almost unlimited choice instead of the employer choosing for you among only 5 state mandated insurers. Why should the employer get the tax deduction for your health insurance.

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 6, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

~~~Still, the past Democratic majority has done nothing to HURT the American people.~~~

I don't know if I would use the word HURT. I cannot say the past Democratic majority has done nothing but HELP the American people either.
~~~Passage of last year's Health Care legislation certainly did not HURT people.~~

I disagree....I don't know what all is in that Health Care Plan and neither do the rest of the voters. It did not HELP the
American people by 'shoving' something down their throats which they did not want let alone understand the full implications of what they were forced to eat.

~~~Passage of legislation to reform the banking industry did not HURT people (not even the banks; look at their profits). Even saving the American banking and automobile industries, which weren't even done entirely on Obama's watch, certainly did not HURT people; nor did it hurt the country.~~~

While I agree that reforming/bailout of the banking and Auto industry was somewhat positive it also did not HELP the country due to the amount of added debt incurred.

I agree with you on the tax cuts :-)

~~So, the Democrats have done a lot to help, and certainly nothing to hurt,~~

False....Please see above.

Posted by: bertzel | November 6, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post. There was an error message the first time.

Posted by: jonroesler | November 6, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

For the record, late last Tuesday night, late enough that the votes had been counted in Alaska and Hawaii and almost 77.5 million of the votes for House seats had been counted, the score (may as well call it that) was 7 Republican votes for every 6 Democratic.

There are people who say that was a "landslide," but I'm not one of those people. On the other hand, every registered voter had a chance to cast their vote, and the results are in.

"A repudiation of everything the Democrats have done for the last two years?" It looks like 7 out of every 13 Americans are unhappy about something, but should a majority of less than 4% of the total dictate the way the country should be run?
Of course not.

Does that majority seem to feel that they have been run over by the previous Democratic majority? Which was also not exactly overwhelming? Seems like they do.

Still, the past Democratic majority has done nothing to HURT the American people.
Passage of last year's Health Care legislation certainly did not HURT people. Passage of legislation to reform the banking industry did not HURT people (not even the banks; look at their profits). Even saving the American banking and automobile industries, which weren't even done entirely on Obama's watch, certainly did not HURT people; nor did it hurt the country. Allowing ALL of the Bush tax cuts to expire, especially the ones for people with taxable income exceeding $250,000 per year, won't really HURT people and will certainly reduce the deficit.

So, the Democrats have done a lot to help, and certainly nothing to hurt, and their majority has been "repudiated" by a swing-vote of 7-6.

Where is the "meaning" in that? Is it the swing vote saying, "Please, government, we want to be HURT!"?

Posted by: jonroesler | November 6, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

For the record, late last Tuesday night, late enough that the votes had been counted in Alaska and Hawaii and almost 77.5 million of the votes for House seats had been counted, the score (may as well call it that) was 7 Republican votes for every 6 Democratic.

There are people who say that was a "landslide," but I'm not one of those people. On the other hand, every registered voter had a chance to cast their vote, and the results are in.

"A repudiation of everything the Democrats have done for the last two years?" It looks like 7 out of every 13 Americans are unhappy about something, but should a majority of less than 4% of the total dictate the way the country should be run?
Of course not.

Does that majority seem to feel that they have been run over by the previous Democratic majority? Which was also not exactly overwhelming? Seems like they do.

Still, the past Democratic majority has done nothing to HURT the American people.
Passage of last year's Health Care legislation certainly did not HURT people. Passage of legislation to reform the banking industry did not HURT people (not even the banks; look at their profits). Even saving the American banking and automobile industries, which weren't even done entirely on Obama's watch, certainly did not HURT people; nor did it hurt the country. Allowing ALL of the Bush tax cuts to expire, especially the ones for people with taxable income exceeding $250,000 per year, won't really HURT people and will certainly reduce the deficit.

So, the Democrats have done a lot to help, and certainly nothing to hurt, and their majority has been "repudiated" by a swing-vote of 7-6.

Where is the "meaning" in that? Is it the swing vote saying, "Please, government, we want to be HURT!"?

Posted by: jonroesler | November 6, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Would you like to live under a bridge and eat garbage?
Dave
No...I'm sure I would prefer to fight in the armed services..... such as yourself???

And I am not condemning the armed services just pointing out your musings dave.
Excuse me now while I find my misplaced reading glasses!!

Posted by: bertzel | November 6, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Would you like to live under a bridge and eat garbage?
Dave~~~
No, I'm sure I would much rather fight in the armed services...like you?

Posted by: bertzel | November 6, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Toles...I would rather repudiate than go along with the flow. course, that's just me

Posted by: bertzel | November 6, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

you can't find your way back to eden dave...and preaching is not going to help...only makes things worse. Then again even in eden the eyes were shadowed ...were they not?

Posted by: bertzel | November 6, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Can't tell you what you are in my book dave...
Posted by: bertzel

My Reply...
From this end of reality, I am just trying to get truth and reality back into the human agenda.
We are the little black sheep who have lost our way and gone astray.
We have all the resources to make life better for a whole lot of people but instead we fight over who gets the largest pile of dough; the kind you can't eat.
People are starving to death because of greedy and self-centered people.
Would you like to live under a bridge and eat garbage?
Dave

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Posted by: dfdfhdskdsk | November 6, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Somewhat unusual that a leftist whackjob would turn to a Republican for inspiration in the face of divisive Dumbocrats.

Posted by: jpost1 | November 6, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

1st, Fox and others divide people from the facts.
2nd, people get really mad at the government lockers and slams them, slanders them, yells at them, because it doesn't jibe with the voices in their heads.
3rd, a critical accumulation occurs, so that social peer pressure is too unbearable.
4th, a foreign conglomerate or nation can take over without a shot.
5th, time has told where wisdom lies, but too late for the timid.
6th, the "devil's house" cannot stand, because they do not trust each other.
7th, the meek shall inherit the earth.

Posted by: Tony-KS | November 5, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Can pics make some autographed copies of "The Thinkin?" Your best creative masterpiece in quite some time. A rivalry of the "Obama Victory" in 2008.

Posted by: billybeer6 | November 5, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

What are divided are the government and the people.~~~~dave

No...what is DIVIDED is THE PEOPLE!!

Posted by: bertzel | November 5, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

yeah...that and a bit of HONESTY..do you know what that entails dave???

Posted by: bertzel | November 5, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

"United we stand, divided we fall" comes to mind.
Lincoln freed the slaves and the Republicans are trying to enslave the free to keep their financial base, Corporations.
We will never be free if government is corrupted by election pay offs and lobbyists.
We no longer have a "VIABLE GOVERNMENT".
What are divided are the government and the people.

Posted by: OckamsRazor | November 5, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

you can poke fun all you want toles...but to actually stand there and look onto the horizon...I see no laughter...

Posted by: bertzel | November 5, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

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