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Posted at 12:00 AM ET, 01/31/2011

Fat chance

By Tom Toles

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Fortune cookie

Let's jump into the never-sensible discussion about ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, shall we? I really don't follow this one too closely, as it takes place in the swirly mists of the fever swamps, but I'm feeling a need to get out of the house.

Conservatives of the conspiratorial orientation love to torment themselves in their sleepless nights with scenarios where the liberals get a One World Government going somehow, and it robs them of their local autonomy to stockpile guns and canned crackers. And to be sure, as a D.C. MetroCard-carrying liberal, I have had the passing thought that if federal-level democracy was an improvement over fully independent states, that maybe a global democracy might be also an improvement over national governments. I expect the world will eventually get there, too, though I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

I guess one of the counter-arguments is that instead of a democracy, the One World Government you'd actually get would be more like the Chinese model of decision-making by business-oriented elites, with no role for actual voters. But if you look at the currently globalized economy, dominated by transnational corporations, and a financial governance structure that you don't have any voice in, isn't the Chinese model of world government what we already have? --Tom Toles

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By Tom Toles  | January 31, 2011; 12:00 AM ET
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Money has taken many forms throughout history including feathers, trinkets, beads, precious metals, coin, currency, paper and most recent history electronic exchange of ethereal currency. Money provides a convenient means of economic exchange. $5,000,000 US or 5,000,000 Euros are good for a campfire and the price of a glass of water that could save your life dying of dehydration. Realize the Federal Reserve is a foreign owned corporation by the same World Bankers (all Rothschilds) who control the treasuries of all Nations. Properly label them world terrorists and hold them accountable for their crimes against humanity. They and their buddies are all members of the CFR.

Posted by: waketheoblivious | February 1, 2011 4:37 AM | Report abuse

Money has taken many forms throughout history including feathers, trinkets, beads, precious metals, coin, currency, paper and most recent history electronic exchange of ethereal currency. Money provides a convenient means of economic exchange. $5,000,000 US or 5,000,000 Euros are good for a campfire and the price of a glass of water that could save your life dying of dehydration. Realize the Federal Reserve is a foreign owned corporation by the same World Bankers (all Rothschilds) who control the treasuries of all Nations. Properly label them world terrorists and hold them accountable for their crimes against humanity. They and their buddies are all members of the CFR.

Posted by: waketheoblivious | February 1, 2011 4:36 AM | Report abuse

Remember Freedom of Speech and Conspiracy Theory are Mutually Exclusive terms. Meaning, one can Not profess to be a proponent of Freedom of Speech and ever label the search for the Truth a conspiracy without proving themselves a liar and a fraud. The Satanic Illumanati made up of Secret Societies and those advancing the Satanic Agenda prefer to operate in the dark. They label the truth conspiracy while they orient the world towards their evil agenda, a one world government with a "single moral authority" appointed as dictator - The Anti-Christ
July 7, 2009 the Pope addressed the G8 conference with an Ecclesiatic letter directing they gather the Nations of the earth and appoint a single moral authority as dictator. (Fact, current Pope is a former Chemical Salesman who sold cyanide to the deathcamps)

Posted by: waketheoblivious | February 1, 2011 4:20 AM | Report abuse

P.S. If Adam Smith had chosen to use the term "God" instead of "Invisible Hand", we would likely all be wondering, who was Adam Smith? Regardless, the Laws of Supply and Demand would still exist, along with their creator, or should I state the obvious and say, Our Creator. Science lied boys and girls, there has never been a legitimate missing link, Just the original Piltdown Man Hoax (1913-53) sustained by a series of more diabolical frauds to create an Evil Illusion.

Posted by: waketheoblivious | February 1, 2011 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Throughout history deception has always had the affect of mental kryptonite. Humanity to easily drawn to debate liberal/conservative democrat/republican rather then focus on the deception. So much easier to blame the Capitalist Pigs then recognize them as evil pigs that orchestrated a diabolical plan. Ever since Classical Economic Theory proved the only possible combination that could produce abundance was Capitalism and a Free Market, and discussion of using Controlled Markets and Socialism is a public display of ignorance. If it can not be made to work in Theory, how is it supposed to work in reality? Wake up, we were all born Capitalists proven by the fact it is out of Self interest we take our first breath.

Posted by: waketheoblivious | February 1, 2011 3:52 AM | Report abuse

ummhmm...making a lot of non-cents there dave yet saying nothing. par for course.
Posted by: bertzel

My Reply...
The cents is all about the sense of a penny. From the smallest denomination a nation is built.

Money is a means to an end not an end means and those who do not want to understand the value of anything only the price are fools.

There is nothing wrong with par for the course. The problem is when you cannot keep the ball on the fairway.

Put that under your pillow and sleep on it.
You might even try "sitting on it".
Who knows what might hatch.
Dave

Posted by: OchamsRazor | February 1, 2011 2:17 AM | Report abuse

ummhmm...making a lot of non-cents there dave yet saying nothing. par for course.

Posted by: bertzel | January 31, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse


Again dave...Print new money?
Are you talking actual cash to spread around and thereby causing more inflation?
Are you talking bonds to pay off government debt???
What dave are you talking about?
Posted by: bertzel |

I am talking about the kind of money that makes it possible to do nation rebuilding.

Inflation is when you cannot buy anything with a penny.

The "money" that we have now is not enough to support a poverty nation let alone our high population high tech society.

We have been stringing out our money until it is so thin you can see through it. Unfortunately, we have lame brained economists that do not understand that because economics has to continue on into the future that it is a dynamic system not a static system. People have to keep eating and the have to keep paying bills to stay alive and stay solvent.
It is the government’s responsibility to maintain a constant flow of funds to make possible the efficient exchange of goods and services. People depend on a constant income to support the needs of their nation, their family and their society.

So much depends on understanding economics because it is the life blood of the society and a lot of people have died to make it work.
I am talking about real time finances that are necessary to maintain a viable society.

People who think we can do without government and/or money are crazy. Without government or money there would be mayhem, destruction and death with few survivors. Civilization is a vital human necessity just like breathing.
So there and there and there.

I change my cloths from these to those and that is the way it daily goes.
Dave

Posted by: OchamsRazor | January 31, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

speaking of crackers and Polly...mine prefers wine by the way...whatever..
Toles why you no mention wiki??? just wondering...would make good discussion me thinks.


Dave...no comment??? HA!

Posted by: bertzel | January 31, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Now that you mention it I do remember that sometimes they sell (maybe still?) saltines in a can. I have never been a big fan of saltines however, and growing up I remember all crackers such as Ritz or what have you in boxes.

I think my confusion was also partially caused by calling them "canned crackers" which did make me think of the activity of "canning." I would have gotten the idea of stocking up the ol' bunker better with simply "canned goods" rather than using "canned crackers" specifically.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | January 31, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Geeze, Mr. Toles, the TRUTH hurts . . . . but many thanks to you (and Oliphant and Telnaes) for bringing it to us!

Posted by: lufrank1 | January 31, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

TT -- the commenters all seem to know what they're talking about today. Nice. Okay, there's a few exceptions,like that guy who never saw crackers in a can. He must be really young, or his mom didn't buy crackers. Mine did, and when the makers switched to cardboard boxes, guess what? They'd go stale and we'd give them to the dog -- when we had one. Or this same guy thinks that to be "canned" means that the crackers been preserved by some kitchen process that his grandmother -- recalling the old days -- still cringes over when she's shouting at her friends at Fantastic Sam's. Imagine how soggy they'd be -- the crackers; not the old ladies getting their hair done. And there's that stuff about China being a corporation. Actually, isn't it just kind of a tweeked replication of the days when that weird place had an emperor?? But hey, they managed to produce that big wall and them little sheet-zoo dogs; and what did we produce, eh?? Studebakers and Pringles (which actually taste pretty good, even tough they're made in South Bend, Indiana. Or was that those lousie Studebakers??) and video games. Anyway, like the President said the other night, not one of us would switch places with one of those other nations, even if it did happen to be China -- or some other corporation.

Posted by: dudeupnorth | January 31, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

TT -- the commenters all seem to know what they're talking about today. Nice. Okay, there's a few exceptions,like that guy who never saw crackers in a can. He must be really young, or his mom didn't buy crackers. Mine did, and when the makers switched to cardboard boxes, guess what? They'd go stale and we'd give them to the dog -- when we had one. Or this same guy thinks that to be "canned" means that the crackers been preserved by some kitchen process that his grandmother -- recalling the old days -- still cringes over when she's shouting at her friends at Fantastic Sam's. Imagine how soggy they'd be -- the crackers; not the old ladies getting their hair done. And there's that stuff about China being a corporation. Actually, isn't it just kind of a tweeked replication of the days when that weird place had an emperor?? But hey, they managed to produce that big wall and them little sheet-zoo dogs; and what did we produce, eh?? Studebakers and Pringles (which actually taste pretty good, even tough they're made in South Bend, Indiana. Or was that those lousie Studebakers??) and video games. Anyway, like the President said the other night, not one of us would switch places with one of those other nations, even if it did happen to be China -- or some other corporation.

Posted by: dudeupnorth | January 31, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Forget this one world government stuff. I'm looking ahead to the Star Trek Federation of Planets-type government.
Posted by: jhnnywalkr

My Reply...
While people do not evolve; it is a fact of life that people's social systems do evolve.
If we can survive our present caveman self-destruct mindset; the transition of world social organization will probably be to a technocracy that provides the efficient exchange of supply and demand economics and technology while providing human needs and human autonomy.
The future is always a product of people's imagination and self-fulfilling prophecy.
People depend on their intelligence to provide viable futures.
There is no guarantee that there are other life forms at or beyond our intelligence level beyond earth.
Also, the evolution of our technology to the point that we can reach another planet with similar intelligence is way out there.
If we continue to degenerate into chaotic society and cannot generate enough financial support and social organization to work together to improve our lives, our government and our technology; the only place we are going is to hell on earth.
Dave


Posted by: OchamsRazor | January 31, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

TT is essentially right, but retains the obsolete vocabulary of "government."

If we talk instead about "governance", then at least some of the clouds lift, and we see that the governing agent is not "government" but concentrated private capital. The U.S.A. is entering a time of neoMonarchy, in which the pomp and pageantry of the olde monarchy are shed, and the ostensibly democratically elected government becomes subordinated to the rule of concentrated private capital.

The neoMonarchy does retain monarchy's dynastic character, however. A curious side effect of the internet is the ease with which genealogies can be researched. A predictable news story during every election cycle will be the one about how the top-level candidates are 4rd, 5th, 6th, etc. cousins -- as was the case with Kerry, Bush, Cheney, Obama -- the yankee system of peerage, which should be an affront to our democratic sensibilities.

Posted by: HumanistPatriot | January 31, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hugh...read that same post a while back, somewhere else. Interesting tho.

Posted by: bertzel | January 31, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to burst your bubble, Tom, but the One World Government plutocracy/oligarchy has been in operation for quite some time now. And what a bang-up job it's doing! How did you happen to miss that?

Posted by: Byrd3 | January 31, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

China’s Innovative Way of Skinning the United States!

Mark Twain is credited with an early use of the cliché "more than one way to skin a cat" in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, as follows: “she was wise, subtle, and knew more than one way to skin a cat, that is, more than one way to get what she wanted”. Thefreedictionary.com defines beggar-thy-neighbor as: an international trade policy of competitive devaluations and increased protective barriers that one country institutes to gain at the expense of its trading partners. Under the guise of fostering ‘indigenous innovation’, the Chinese government has creatively used a non-conventional, subtle version of beggar-thy-neighbor. Its version doesn’t entail the competitive devaluation of its own currency, which would enhance China’s exports and inhibits its trading partners’ exports to China. China’s version perpetrates an over-valuation of the currencies of one or more of its trading partners. This negatively affects all the trade of the pegged trading partner(s), not just trade with China. During the recent period China pegged its currency to the U.S. Dollar, its version of beggar-thy-neighbor was 8 times as damaging to the U.S. economy as what the media refers to as “China keeping it currency undervalued”.
In November 2003, Warren Buffett in his Fortune, Squanderville versus Thriftville article recommended that America adopt a balanced trade model. The fact that advice advocating balance and sustainability, from a sage the caliber of Warren Buffett, could be virtually ignored for over seven years is unfathomable. Until action is taken on Buffett’s or a similar balanced trade model, America will continue to squander time, treasure and talent in pursuit of an illusionary recovery.

Posted by: HJCampbell | January 31, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

A long as it is KAOS, PAGAN or some other similar evil corporation with a cool acronym, what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: pete1013 | January 31, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

~~New money dave???
PLEASE....
Posted by: bertzel

My Reply...
OK smartass lady! You tell me where they got the money to rebuild Japan and all of Europe?
What they called it then was "Super Funds".
Super funds were the printing of new money.
Check it out.
Dave
Posted by: OchamsRazor | January 31, 2011 1:05 AM~~

Again dave...Print new money?
Are you talking actual cash to spread around and thereby causing more inflation?

Are you talking bonds to pay off government debt???
What dave are you talking about?

Posted by: bertzel | January 31, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

~~~ The federal government actually has very little direct influence over my life, although they do take more of my money, a portion of which they take to cover those farm subsidies that the cartoon is about. But they don’t take as much money, nor are they as intrusive,~~~~

Hmmm. Nor are they as intrusive...right....

Posted by: bertzel | January 31, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Who says a more encompassing government has to be more controlling? My county government is far more intrusive than my state government, but that's a good thing because it tells my neighbors they can't leave trash cans on the curb all week and burn leaves on windy days. My State government still has more influence over my life than the Federal, since they tell me I have to get my car inspected and that I have to get some sort of approval before I start adding rooms to my house. The federal government actually has very little direct influence over my life, although they do take more of my money, a portion of which they take to cover those farm subsidies that the cartoon is about. But they don’t take as much money, nor are they as intrusive, as the insurance company my employer has chosen to foist upon me. “Oh, get another job, or get some insurance elsewhere”, I can here from the faction that has usurped the term “right”. Sure. I’ll just pick one up at Wal-Mart. Oh, wait. Everything at Wal-Mart is made in China now.

Posted by: Capn0ok1 | January 31, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Toles are you talking about the Washington Post Corporation's Kaplan education subsidiary that generates nearly 60% of the WP Corp annual revenue and is under investigation and has a growing number of students telling of Enron type use of deceptive policies, fake classes and surprise costs?

Posted by: bignoisylawnmower | January 31, 2011 6:26 AM | Report abuse

@pararanger22: There is one example in India of a distribution system working so well it is studied at the 'B' schools in this country: lunch delivery.

You doubtless saw those iconic stacked tin lunch containers while in India. Every day they make their way to your worksite with nary a late or missed delivery.

Why it works well with one product and not another is a mystery.

Posted by: DougMUSN | January 31, 2011 5:27 AM | Report abuse

Forget this one world government stuff. I'm looking ahead to the Star Trek Federation of Planets-type government.

I don't think you can crackers, though. I could be wrong; I am not well-versed in canning.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr

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hmmmm...don't think canned crackers are made like canned peas. The Phillipinos make wonderful crackers they put in a large red and white can. Taste great but not so swell for your heart...

I wonder about the Star Trek Federation of Planets stuff. I'm sure Stephen Hawking thinks about that too. His view that our future is 'out there' can't be from from wrong. What seems sci-fi now may come true.

Posted by: pararanger22 | January 31, 2011 5:26 AM | Report abuse

Tom,

I've often entertained the same thought — that perhaps China is the world's largest corporation. Only it spends more on schools.

What many conservatives miss in their headlong effort to eliminate government controls is that corporate controls will fill the void.

There are no constitutional protections against what a corporation can do to interfere with your personal rights.

Maybe that's why Wal-Mart, one of the world's largest corporations is in be with China already.

Posted by: colonelpanic

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Actually, the Chinese are brilliant for having WalMart come to their country. Why? One of WalMart's greatest strengths is distribution. They know how to get the food from the farm to the market and keep it fresh. They know how to lead/coach/train/guide/assist/mentor clothing and other suppliers to build facilities that can make the goods and make a profit.

I spent a month in India and China about 15 months ago. What I learned was that 40% of their farm goods rotted before they could get to market. Why? Poor distribution system. The Indians were too proud to allow Western chains in (WalMart; Tesco; Target) and tried to do it themselves. Utter failure. China's bureacracy and knee-jerk protectionism seemed to be their issue.

Liberals should take a breath once in awhile and realize that capitalism works; and companies like WalMart provide a lot of good things for our country - and beyond.

Posted by: pararanger22 | January 31, 2011 5:12 AM | Report abuse

Tom,

I've often entertained the same thought — that perhaps China is the world's largest corporation. Only it spends more on schools.

What many conservatives miss in their headlong effort to eliminate government controls is that corporate controls will fill the void.

There are no constitutional protections against what a corporation can do to interfere with your personal rights.

Maybe that's why Wal-Mart, one of the world's largest corporations is in be with China already.

Posted by: colonelpanic | January 30, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Ohh and Toles, in case you haven't heard and or learned, chivalry is DEAD.

Posted by: bertzel | January 30, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

~~~ but I'm feeling a need to get out of the house~~~

'bout time...might do you some good.

~~Conservatives of the conspiratorial orientation love to torment themselves in their sleepless nights with scenarios where the liberals get a One World Government going somehow~~~

Not just conservatives living this nightmare.

and is the Chinese way of government what we want???

Posted by: bertzel | January 30, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes we have the Chinese model of liberal media on display of repressing everything beneficial to freedom every day in the wah tau ing pest. Lib wong er tong erls pung tau really pang nong sucky.

Posted by: jornolibist | January 30, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Where I went to high school, there was a CD shelter under the auditorium. Doesn't seem very safe in retrospect knowing what I know today. Anyway, they defintely had canned crackers. OK, but the lemon drops really hit the spot!

Posted by: Rudesan | January 30, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Tom, doesn't this admission about trans-national corporations running everything kind of explode your government-as-check-on-elites belief?

Posted by: toiletminded | January 30, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Gee, a liberal who thinks a more controlling government in which the people being governed have even less of a say is a good idea. What an unexpected surprise.

The way I see it, world government would establish itself by the will of the people if the whole world switched to some democratic form of government and decided that getting along with everyone else was more important than holding their cultures and religions to be superior to others. It could work if that happened, but it never, never will.

Posted by: agentsteve | January 30, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Forget this one world government stuff. I'm looking ahead to the Star Trek Federation of Planets-type government.

I don't think you can crackers, though. I could be wrong; I am not well-versed in canning.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | January 30, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

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