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Posted at 12:00 AM ET, 01/ 6/2011

Political spin

By Tom Toles

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If wishes were horses

The heroic sentiments of "we're here to serve the wishes of the people who elected us" announced by the incoming freshmen legislators would be a lot more palatable if anyone had any confidence that those who elected them had any understanding of what plausible solutions might actually look like.

There has been a deliberate effort by politicians and some media outlets to twist the facts in such an unconstructive way that what the people have been voting for doesn't add up to anything. What they want is for the budget to be balanced without tax increases and without cutting Medicare, and good luck with that. They don't want climate change regulation because they don't believe that climate science could possibly be right, and good luck with that. They want the spiral of health-care costs to be left to market forces without any impact on their own access to services and at a price they can afford, and good luck with that.

You either engage in an honest conversation with your voters about the real world and then honor their wishes, or you bamboozle them and do what you please. Now, which do you suppose it will be? --Tom Toles

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By Tom Toles  | January 6, 2011; 12:00 AM ET
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~~I wrote the very first comment on today's cartoon. Just scroll down to the bottom to see my response to PrairieDog - there you will find my brief response to your query bertzel.
Posted by: pararanger22~~

Well I still don't see what I'm looking for however, I will comment on one thing you mentioned...'short term jobs making the fix'...I disagree with that train of thought...what we need is a job market which will survive long term goals....short term fixes are just little BandAids. They don't stop the actual bleeding.

Posted by: bertzel | January 6, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

First of all, the last sentence did not suggest or imply that. It was a statement about the incoming Congress, as was the whole commentary. It said absolutely nothing about the old one or the administration or Democrats. Perhaps your desire for "equality" insists that any time one criticizes one side, one must criticize the other. Perhaps you should try to follow that rule sometime yourself.

Second, getting rid of waste and pork-barrel projects and all that stuff sounds great and needs to be done. The problem comes in implementing it, because what senator or representative of either party is willing to allow money that used to go to their constituents to stop. Indeed, that's really their job, when you think about it. To do what's best for their little part of the USA, not for the whole.

Also, getting rid of that stuff itself quite simply will NOT solve the budget problem. Getting rid of the health care bill, without anything to take it's place, similarly does NOT solve the budget problem and does NOT save us money.

By the way, Obama was elected and part of his platform was health care reform. He and his party won out big, and they had just as much of a mandate as the Republicans are claiming they have now to implement their agenda.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr

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I agree with all of your comments. Although I think Obama had a health care mandate, the economic situation at the time beckoned him to put that mandate on the back-burner. He made a strategic choice to push his health care agenda because he knew it was unlikely he could hold serve on both Houses of Congress past 2 years.

Posted by: pararanger22 | January 6, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

~~I already explained it in my first comment on this blog.
Posted by: pararanger22~~

Guess I'm slow...are you saying it was a disaster because the republicans don't agree with it?
Also I don't know what your first comment on this blog was let alone the date of said first comment...or are you referring to this 'thread'??

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I wrote the very first comment on today's cartoon. Just scroll down to the bottom to see my response to PrairieDog - there you will find my brief response to your query bertzel.

Posted by: pararanger22 | January 6, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Just... Wow.

It's too bad Federalism is just another word for Socialism, or insistence on taking us back to the "good old days" of economic Monarchism might be considered a BAD thing.

What I want to know is, when we've finally come full circle, who gets to be called the Sun King?

Posted by: jonroesler | January 6, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Please, do tell...what is haarp all about??

Maybe someone had too many horses and made a lot of wishes. Ever hear of SARCASM?

Then again maybe you are one of those people who immediately points to agw as soon as there is a 'wild weather' occurrence. Ever hear of God?? again sarcasm...just sayin'

What do you believe to be the cause of all the dead birds and fish bpadrino?

Posted by: bertzel | January 6, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I've heard of HAARP, bertzel, which isn't even about controlling climate, but the question is: have you heard of Australia? Tell the 200,000 people evacuated on account of floods that their government should have enacted a regulation against rain, and that would have solved the problem.

Posted by: bpadrino | January 6, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Could be, indeed! But then that circles us back around to haarp again...hmmm..well at least we're keeping with today's 'toon'.
By the way daly...been wanting to ask you...do you know Superman? I mean Clark?

Posted by: bertzel | January 6, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it is an effect of climate change, bert? Stress from climate change.

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 6, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I understood there to be two separate bird 'droppings', if you will...and those two were not related...Powerlines were said cause of one...as for the fish..have those same scientists said what the exact cause of their demise was? Other than water temp. stress??

Posted by: bertzel | January 6, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Scientists say the deaths are unrelated.

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 6, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

hmmm...and what do you suppose happened to all those fish?? Virus or cold water? I personally have a problem with the cold water theory...unless of course it was instantaneous..I have a fish that I have been waiting to die for years now and that little bugger just keeps on swimin'...kind of like what's it's name...Dory : )

Posted by: bertzel | January 6, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

That thing is a ULF (less than 1 Hz) 2 billion watt transmitter. Get in front of that beam near the transmitter and you just vaporize - poof and your gone!!!

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 6, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

It does make you wonder bert, esp. with tornado's the week before.

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 6, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

~~~do you think that's what got those birds bert~~

Worth the thought...what do you think daly?

Posted by: bertzel | January 6, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

--Guess you never heard of haarp--
bertzel

do you think that's what got those birds bert

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 6, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Now THAT is rich, Mr. Toles! You have the audacity to suggest in your final sentence that Obama listened to voters and carried out their wishes? You must be living in a tiki hut in Hawaii next to your Commander in chief! Much like you, the president has no idea what the people are saying because all he wants to do is preach the gospel according to Barack. It is all about you, and him, there is no room to listen to and act on the will of the people. Yes we want affordable healthcare. Balanced on our grandchildren's backs is unacceptable, so we will NOT implement a huge boondoggle because we care about the children! Balanced budget absolutely! But at the expense of PORK-barrel projects and private jets. At the expense of eliminating wasteful spending and cutting do nothing positions within the government. You really ought to pay attention to what your president doesn't say and doesn't do before you pull out your sketch pad.

Posted by: pauljfeld | January 6, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

First of all, the last sentence did not suggest or imply that. It was a statement about the incoming Congress, as was the whole commentary. It said absolutely nothing about the old one or the administration or Democrats. Perhaps your desire for "equality" insists that any time one criticizes one side, one must criticize the other. Perhaps you should try to follow that rule sometime yourself.

Second, getting rid of waste and pork-barrel projects and all that stuff sounds great and needs to be done. The problem comes in implementing it, because what senator or representative of either party is willing to allow money that used to go to their constituents to stop. Indeed, that's really their job, when you think about it. To do what's best for their little part of the USA, not for the whole.

Also, getting rid of that stuff itself quite simply will NOT solve the budget problem. Getting rid of the health care bill, without anything to take it's place, similarly does NOT solve the budget problem and does NOT save us money.

By the way, Obama was elected and part of his platform was health care reform. He and his party won out big, and they had just as much of a mandate as the Republicans are claiming they have now to implement their agenda.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | January 6, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

~~~Climate is one good example. It regulates us, not the other way around.
Posted by: bpadrino~~~

Guess you never heard of haarp.

Do you have horses? You have to actually have one to make a wish....

Posted by: bertzel | January 6, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

~~I already explained it in my first comment on this blog.
Posted by: pararanger22~~

Guess I'm slow...are you saying it was a disaster because the republicans don't agree with it?
Also I don't know what your first comment on this blog was let alone the date of said first comment...or are you referring to this 'thread'??

Posted by: bertzel | January 6, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

If wishes were horses, we could regulate rain. If wishes were horses we could all afford Rolls Royces and have free health care, regardless of its actual cost. Keep wishing, Tommy, Santa Claus is listening.
One sign of maturity is recognizing what you can control and what controls you. Climate is one good example. It regulates us, not the other way around. Illness and death is another. We can't make them go away, no matter how many regulations we write.

Posted by: bpadrino | January 6, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

My, my my, Tom. What an insightful, thoughful, and far reaching rant! Keep up the good work!

Posted by: quiensabe | January 6, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

ranger...explain ara and how the health care bill has been a disaster. Or is it the reaction of the people to which you refer?

Posted by: bertzel

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I already explained it in my first comment on this blog.

Posted by: pararanger22 | January 6, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"Now, which do you suppose it will be?"

The Obama option - Bamboozle and do what the corporations want.

Posted by: spigzone | January 6, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Most hilarioues to read all of the Repbulithugs retorts to a cartoon and commentary.

Keep voting for your corporate masters you fools. Its called "Washington Rules", read the book. The illogical rhetoric of the idealogues gets lost on the vapid masses hooked on Fast Food, Idol Worship and the FoxNews Comedy Channel. Its no wonder the TeaBlab party has such an effect on the "geriatric" and the "what about me" generation.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | January 6, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Door # 2.
The new electees main goal is to become old electees and feather their own nests and those of their corporate owners.
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Don't you love the way your comments get the fuzzy little GOP yappers in a frenzy. It always happens when you don't understand something, like science, or math, or civility. Good job, Tom. Hope their health care and handle all those heart attacks they try to self-administer.

Posted by: pjohn2 | January 6, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Now THAT is rich, Mr. Toles! You have the audacity to suggest in your final sentence that Obama listened to voters and carried out their wishes? You must be living in a tiki hut in Hawaii next to your Commander in chief! Much like you, the president has no idea what the people are saying because all he wants to do is preach the gospel according to Barack. It is all about you, and him, there is no room to listen to and act on the will of the people. Yes we want affordable healthcare. Balanced on our grandchildren's backs is unacceptable, so we will NOT implement a huge boondoggle because we care about the children! Balanced budget absolutely! But at the expense of PORK-barrel projects and private jets. At the expense of eliminating wasteful spending and cutting do nothing positions within the government. You really ought to pay attention to what your president doesn't say and doesn't do before you pull out your sketch pad.

Posted by: pauljfeld | January 6, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

If anyone is an expert on twisting facts in an unconstructive way, it's little Tommy, the WaPo's resident Bamboozler-in-Chief.

Posted by: jpost1 | January 6, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Tell me something I don't know, Tom. It has been ever thus, on both sides of the aisle, no matter who has the gavel.

Posted by: chaunceygardener | January 6, 2011 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Toles asks, "Now, which do you suppose it will be?"
I've been reading enough of Mr. Toles to get the impression that he thinks the federal government has the solution to all our problems.
So, why don't we just turn all of our income and assets over to the federal government and let it decide what is good for all of us?

Posted by: DirtFarmer1 | January 6, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Toles parrots the typical response used for the last 50 years that the people are too stupid not to keep voting for Democrats who behind the curtain keep robbing the people of their freedom and liberty and running a Democrat teachers union national education program to make sure more people are stupid so they keep voting ....guess what? Democrat.

Posted by: jornolibist | January 5, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't care much for ice cream
check your box.

Posted by: bertzel | January 5, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't care much for ice cream
check your box.

Posted by: bertzel | January 5, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was have our cake and pie and ice cream too!!!

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 5, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hi daly...will do.

Posted by: bertzel | January 5, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

~~~. We the American people want to have our cake and eat it too. ~~~

As it should be...I know When I have my cake I EAT it!! course then I have to work it off but hey!

Posted by: bertzel | January 5, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

yep check your box bert

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 5, 2011 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pete1013 | January 5, 2011 7:36 PM

"Is there anything that you can't find a way to blame on the Democrats? The Cavity Creeps...and GO!"

He probably blames soggy pizza and his hemorrhoids on the Democrats too.

Posted by: bushidollar | January 5, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

You are absolutely right, Tom. We the American people want to have our cake and eat it too. And, until recently, we have been led to believe we could. Deficits don't matter! Keep taxes low! Things are going great we can't raise taxes we should cut them! Things are terrible right now it's not the time to raise taxes! Here's a few more unfunded entitlement programs and a couple off-the-books wars too! Now, while we're here, let's cut some more of those taxes.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | January 5, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

daly did you get my email?lol

Posted by: bertzel | January 5, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

and Mr Toles

Your Democratic multi hundred billionaire WaPo owner has a fire hose of Koolade available to spew every day. I wonder if it's Blue or Red. LOL

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 5, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

pete1013

Is there anything that you or the democrats will take some responsibility for regarding the situation we find ourselves in? Perhaps there is a Koolade pool in your neighborhood also.

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 5, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Your "points", as you call them, are simply not worth "debating". You don't want a debate, you're just looking for a fight. You seem to want to "prove" yourself and how "smart" and "informed" you are. Good luck with that.

Is there anything that you can't find a way to blame on the Democrats? The Cavity Creeps...and GO!

I also have it on good authority, that I can get you in on a fantastic deal on some land on Florida...

Posted by: pete1013 | January 5, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

ranger...explain ara and how the health care bill has been a disaster. Or is it the reaction of the people to which you refer?

Posted by: bertzel | January 5, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

pete1013 wrote

["wow, pararanger22 is drowning in the kool aid. If you buy that...hey I've got a '86 reliant K with 500k miles, but they are all highway miles, driven by a little old lady on her way to church and bingo. Don't mind that rust, it's just on the surface. At only $10,000 its a steal for such a classic piece of Detroit's finest. What do you say?"]

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Pretty nifty car but I'll pass. Wasn't that car the result of the last time a Democrat bailed out the auto industry (Carter/Chrysler). Yeah, that was a great piece of political work. One more tick in the box for your marionette masters: the unions.

You did express yourself in decent syntax so you must not be a Dem. Left-leaning independent maybe? Achieved your GED recently? But...you didn't actually debate any of my points though...you might just be a Liberal (chaff!flare!smoke!). Nothing but rhetoric, cut and run, all show and no go. But at least your consistent!

Posted by: pararanger22 | January 5, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Toles...I have to admit that I haven't a clue as to what you are talking about.

Politicians and the media have ALWAYS 'twisted' the facts in their favor.

Also who are the THEY you keep referring to? We the people or the politicians?
All I've read out of your 'toon' and commentary is confusion.
And what is with the horse obsession as of late?
Perhaps that is your point...

Posted by: bertzel | January 5, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

wow, pararanger22 is drowning in the kool aid. If you buy that...

hey I've got a '86 reliant K with 500k miles, but they are all highway miles, driven by a little old lady on her way to church and bingo. Don't mind that rust, it's just on the surface. At only $10,000 its a steal for such a classic piece of Detroit's finest. What do you say?

Posted by: pete1013 | January 5, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse


PrairieDog60 wrote:

["pararanger, just a couple of facts before I ask a question. The economy collapsed in 2008, with most economists and historians calling it the "great recession", second only to the Great Depression in its devastation. When this occurred, G. W. Bush was POTUS. Congress had been in the hands of Dems for a little over 1 yr, and had been controlled by GOP for most of the 12 yrs preceding. From 08 back, GOP held the WH for 28 of 40 years. When the last Dem to hold the WH in that time left, he left a budget surplus. Now the question. How exactly did the people you mention "screw up the country"?]"

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1 - Pelosi and Reid with their majorities owned Congress from Jan 2007. You aren't seriously giving them a free pass for the mess in the country are you? The ARA and the Health Care Law have been an absolute disaster with very little (if any) GOP support.
2 - The Dems maintained control of the House from '54 to '95 and we're run out of office because they were so corrupt. This was the period of the great-but-failed US socialist experiment that nearly broke apart the country. The GOP has never held power in Congress long enough to deal with all of these legacy issues.
3 - The real breaking point of the US economy came in September 2008 at Lehman brothers. They were processing bad mortgage paper as fast as they could but couldn't keep up with their accounts payable. Those mortgages, for folks who could not pay them but got loans anyway from Fannie and Freddie, were authorized and encouraged by none other than Barney Frank, the true emblem and champion of your mature, adult, virgin-as-the-given-snow, Democratic Party.
4 - Two wars drained the economy. One in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. Despite all the Liberal rhetoric, Democrats voted in favor of both. Your standard bearer, Bill Clinton, had his shot at OBL and didn't take it and wished he had. He espoused the same views of Iraq and Saddam until it became politically inexpedient to do so.
5 - Most importantly, Obama had the opportunity to change our economic fortunes in his first two years but he fumbled badly. He was lazy when he needed to work hard (Stimulus and allowing those morons, Reid and Pelosi to seed it with so much pork, earmarks, and work packages that we're very long term when short term projects were what we needed). He was partisan when we needed a country first President (he spent so much capital on Health Care in terms of time, money, priority -- and he did it because he knew that a health care law, if passed, would create a long-term dependency within the population that, from a strategic point of view, was great news for the Democrats in the long term). And he was insanely ill-equipped during the oil leak crisis that cost so many jobs in the SE.

So, yeah, in proportionate terms, the Libs screwed the US. The GOP crew that didn't do the job, we tossed out of office (this is in contrast to the Dems that tend to keep their losers).

Posted by: pararanger22 | January 5, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

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