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Posted at 12:00 AM ET, 02/23/2011

Self serving

By Tom Toles

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Don't hold your breath -- no, actually do
Well the budget cutting has begun in earnest. Did you notice how the terminology has strategically shifted from "balancing the budget" to "cutting spending"? You see, "balancing the budget" is going to require both "spending cuts" and "raising taxes," as any honest politician will tell you, which is why nobody has told you. Oh, and "cutting spending" is also going to mean confronting "health-care costs," including "your Medicare," which they don't want to mention either.

So, we are not talking about "balancing the budget" anymore. INSTEAD, we are going to busy ourselves chop chop chopping away at supposed "waste and abuse." They don't include "fraud" in the "waste and abuse" formulation anymore because the "waste and abuse" formulation as a meaningful solution to "balancing the budget" is now itself the "fraud." What does this "waste and abuse" consist of? Well, funny you should ask. It consists only of programs the GOP didn't like to begin with. On the block is your environment, including the ability of the EPA to enforce clean air standards. The environment is now defined as "waste," and it won't be long now before it meets that definition. Sigh now while still able. --Tom Toles
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By Tom Toles  | February 23, 2011; 12:00 AM ET
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~~Tell me... is it you know the intentions of said posters?~~~

I forgot the how...
How is it you know the intentions of said posters there ptgrunner?

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

~~~ You are right...I think a couple of people who post here to be just hilarious, although they do not intend to be. ptgrunner~~

Tell me... is it you know the intentions of said posters?

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

@bertzel | February 23, 2011 6:42 PM

OK. Can you tell me in what manner are union ads misleading? It's true that most, maybe all ads are misleading by design. But the FOX news story is an outright lie. And AFAIK, FOX has still not retracted it.

If someone said that the Gallup Poll in question was about unions for private employees, they are woefully misinformed. That poll was solely about public unions. See:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146276/Scaling-Back-State-Programs-Least-Three-Fiscal-Evils.aspx

As for Toms' cartoons. I find them to be clever and humorous. And I also think any cartoon by him can have a range of interpretations, although he may intend a very specific interpretation. You are right...I think a couple of people who post here to be just hilarious, although they do not intend to be.

These are troubled times. We'll survive. Then we'll destroy the Tea Party...and TAKE THEIR RIGHTS. Well, the "and" part is dark humor.

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

@pararanger

Go for it. Crush those unions of public employees. Then you can go after unions for private employees. All that's left is to go after all employees themselves.

I guess this is taking back "America for real Americans." I just don't see what it does for the hard working people of this country.

Recall Scott Walker.
Free Julian Assange and Bradley Manning.
Don't forget to pay your taxes...+ $5000.

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

~~~a story that is more than a little misleading. So what are people who DO watch FOX News thinking right now? Do you think they have a clue?
Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 5:54 PM~~~~

My guess is they are thinking what fox news wants them to think....kinda like all those people who are being fed the non stop pro-union ads...

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

~~~Fine. Don't read my posts. That's fine with me. I prefer to not make it personal. This is just a political blog, so don't take yourself so seriously. Heck, you can even allow yourself to see the humor in Tom's cartoons.

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 6:19 PM~~~


No offense Toles...

ptgrunner...I see more humor in the posts on this blog than in the 'toons'. The toons are more severe....ironic isn't it.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

~~~~ Firstly, those benefit packages were no doubt negotiated in better times. Secondly, the public employee unions in WI have been saying that they are willing to renegotiate pay and benefit packages. Walker's bill eliminates some very important collective bargaining rights for WI state employees. So, doesn't it appear that Walker is more interested in union-busting than just reducing pay and benefits costs for state employees? That state employees will have to make some pay and benefits concessions is not really being debated; the loss of their union's collective bargaining rights are. The Republicans have long been anti-union. They appear to be trying to do away with unions altogether. ptgrunner~~~

Firstly, the teachers contract was passed last year at the dismay of many locals, especially since our school district was facing severe budget problems. The teachers were asked to open there contract and renegotiate, they refused...at least, in my area.

Secondly...yeah. Complete turnabout...odd isn't it.

Thirdly, the only bargaining taken away deals directly with benefits, ie, health insurance and retirement fund...and, they are still being offered more than private sector unions.

Fourthly....Walker is interested in balancing Wisconsin's budget. Period...if times were 'better' we would not even be having this discussion would we.

I personally don't care about what you say concerning the GOP and unions....all I care about is the here and now and Walker is doing the right thing for Wisconsin, here and now,PERIOD.

daly...I see a lot more deer on my other property than I see here in my little garden, which in fact was pretty much destroyed last year from flooding....


jon....I suppose if you want to get technical...the majority REALY does NOT Rule...the 1-2% Rules....just sayin'.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Managing transport to reduce miles traveled is the most effective way to reduce petrol consumption and CO2 emissions.

Transporting fresh food from South America to US markets consumes fuel in a 'fuelish' fashion. Worldwide overnight delivery has a large CO2 footprint. Driving daily to work may not be efficient use of energy.

Posted by: dalyplanet | February 23, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

@pararanger22 | February 23, 2011 12:12 PM

Fine. Don't read my posts. That's fine with me. I prefer to not make it personal. This is just a political blog, so don't take yourself so seriously. Heck, you can even allow yourself to see the humor in Tom's cartoons.

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Using corn for ethanol as a solution to alleged AGW is a really poor plan. Why is there no transportation plan in the news.

Electric autos emit as much CO2 as petrol cars when charged from most generation sources. Managing transport to reduce miles traveled is the most effective way to reduce petrol consumption and CO2 emissions.

Posted by: dalyplanet | February 23, 2011 4:11 PM
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Why is using ethanol to reduce dependency on foreign oil a poor plan? Why is using ethanol as a solution to AGW a poor plan? You simply complain about EVERYTHING. Perhaps you think this country was built by complainers. Ethanol fuel is a work in progress. It's not the only thing that will have to be done. And you'd still have to show me that growing ethanol corn increases the price of food products. IF you gave anything that *strongly* suggested that, I'd look into it. But I'm tired of chasing your dead ends such as NASA/OCO and "180 Years of CO2... ." Do some real research yourself.

I agree that electric cars may or may not reduce CO2 emissions. It really depends on how the electricity was generated. Hydropower, wind power, and solar are power generally good. Coal fuel electric plants bad. Those are extremes. Efficient mass transit, especially in urban areas can do a lot as well. There is no single solution AFAIK. Multiple technologies will probably have to be used. That there are obstacles to overcome, but that is what scientists and engineers do. And they have started, whether you like it or not.

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

~~Don't forget to pay your taxes.~~~

See, that's the point, ptgrunner, I do pay my taxes. I don't believe I should have to pay taxes to support the WELL ABOVE AVERAGE benefits to certain state employees. Maybe that's just me...I think not. Unions are going to fight this tooth and nail... that is expected...they have a lot to lose....moreso than the unionized laborer....
As for FOX....I don't bother watching that station and those onboard. and I don't care....as for all those damn prounion tv ads on my local networks, that's another story!
just as bad as an election year!!!

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 12:57 PM
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Thanks for paying your taxes. The benefits paid to "certain state workers" are sometimes, maybe often, higher than those benefits paid to non-unionized employees. But that's not the point of Walker's bill in WI. Firstly, those benefit packages were no doubt negotiated in better times. Secondly, the public employee unions in WI have been saying that they are willing to renegotiate pay and benefit packages. Walker's bill eliminates some very important collective bargaining rights for WI state employees. So, doesn't it appear that Walker is more interested in union-busting than just reducing pay and benefits costs for state employees? That state employees will have to make some pay and benefits concessions is not really being debated; the loss of their union's collective bargaining rights are. The Republicans have long been anti-union. They appear to be trying to do away with unions altogether.

Good that you don't watch FOX news. Studies have shown that people who use FOX news as their primary source of news are amongst the least informed people in the U.S. The issue here is "Fox News Switches Gallup Collective Bargaining Rights Poll Numbers!" Did FOX News lie or is there across-the-board-incompetence at FOX? Probably both. AFAIK, they have not issued a retraction to a story that is more than a little misleading. So what are people who DO watch FOX News thinking right now? Do you think they have a clue?

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought there are more deer than people in your corner of the world. Don't they eat your garden as fast as it grows?

Posted by: dalyplanet | February 23, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

~~~indicating weather has not been a changing factor in corn production.

Posted by: dalyplanet | February 23, 2011 3:57 PM~~~

Right....tell that to my garden.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Using corn for ethanol as a solution to alleged AGW is a really poor plan. Why is there no transportation plan in the news.

Electric autos emit as much CO2 as petrol cars when charged from most generation sources. Managing transport to reduce miles traveled is the most effective way to reduce petrol consumption and CO2 emissions.

Posted by: dalyplanet | February 23, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

PTG

Ever had a soda,drank a domestic beer, had a french fry, icecream, can of soup etc you are eating a 'field corn' product.

Some newer corn processing plants process both ethanol and food products at the same location.

Sweet corn is produce and uses 1% of corn acres.

We in the US by government mandate are using 26% of corn production and rising while corn grain stocks are falling. The US grows almost 45% of all the worlds corn.

The total amount of acres planted with corn today are less than 1939 and the total acres planted to total harvested remain the same over these 60 years with about 8% loss annually indicating weather has not been a changing factor in corn production.

Posted by: dalyplanet | February 23, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Um... a 54% majority of a 41% voter turnout equals 22%. 22% is NOT more than 50% of 100%.

Just sayin' that, 22% MAY but does not necessarily represent the majority viewpoint.

Posted by: jonroesler | February 23, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"It cannot was
It can is
Better for me
By fait
Best in faith
Keep it true."
Who the heck posted that anyway?
and dave... please, sss again? Also, if I may add, religion is the main problem concerning 'world peace'. Don't you agree?
Posted by: bertzel

My Reply...
I do not know who the poster may be but I appreciate its complexity.

My read on the poem...
“It cannot was it can is” may refer to the future”.
“Better for me by fait”. (Something already done: something that is already done or decided and seems unalterable.
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.)
Sounds like the poet would prefer that the future be predetermined.
“Best in faith keep it true”.
I think maybe this ideal request admonishes the reader to remain true to his faith.
Religion should be and could be the source of peace and prosperity. Instead it is used as a tool to subjugate people and ravage the earth.
So much depends on rational intelligence and good works. Yet, we wallow in greed, avarice and foolishness.
How sad!!!
Dave

Posted by: OckamsRazor | February 23, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

From Johan Goldberg, LA Times: Government Unions Have Not Benefited the Public

"...And this gets to the real insidiousness of government unions. Wisconsin labor officials fairly note that they've acceded to many of their governor's specific demands - that workers contribute to their pensions and healthcare costs, for example. But they don't want to lose the right to collective bargaining.

But that is exactly what they need to lose.

Private sector unions fight with management over an equitable distribution of profits. Government unions negotiate with politicians over taxpayer money, putting the public interest at odds with union interests and, as we've seen in states such as California and Wisconsin, exploding the cost of government. The labor-politician negotiations can't be fair when the unions can put so much money into campaign spending. Victor Gotbaum, a leader in the New York City chapter of AFSCME, summed up the problem in 1975 when he boasted, "We have the ability, in a sense, to elect our own boss."

This is why FDR believed that "the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service," and why even George Meany, the first head of the AFL-CIO, held that it was "impossible to bargain collectively with the government."

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Exactly. Liberals want to cover all the bases. If they can't get what they want through the collective bargaining table, they elect their own puppets to the legislature. It works to serve their own greed. It doesn't work for the rest of us that have to pay their bills with our taxes.

Governors Christie, Walker, Mitchell...and even Brown and Cuomo...get it. We either break the public unions or go bankrupt.

The party is over for the public union fat-cats. Public unions have to go; crush 'em.

Posted by: pararanger22 | February 23, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Ha! here's a facebook poll for you lol!

Research Poll
Based on what you know about the price of Secret, how do you feel about the value of Secret?

Very good value
Fairly good value
Average value
Somewhat poor value
Very poor value

Your response will be kept anonymous.

What a coincidence!!! have at it!!
LOL

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

~~Don't forget to pay your taxes.~~~

See, that's the point, ptgrunner, I do pay my taxes. I don't believe I should have to pay taxes to support the WELL ABOVE AVERAGE benefits to certain state employees. Maybe that's just me...I think not. Unions are going to fight this tooth and nail... that is expected...they have a lot to lose....moreso than the unionized laborer....
As for FOX....I don't bother watching that station and those onboard. and I don't care....as for all those damn prounion tv ads on my local networks, that's another story!
just as bad as an election year!!!

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

~~~And laugh yourself silly - that's what mirrors are for dude.
Posted by: pararanger22 | February 23, 2011 12:41 PM~~

Yep...windows too!

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

More on the Gallup Poll that PraisieDog mentioned.

"Fox News Switches Gallup Collective Bargaining Rights Poll Numbers." You can and Google on this headline and pick your link to check on this. Most people are betting that FOX will not issue a retraction...so anti-union, pro-destruction of union conservatives will be safe in your own collective delusions which, by the way, the Republicans have NO problem with.

Don't forget to pay your taxes.

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

ranger...I've been to many a blog...don't care for a lot of 'em.
You begrudge me for not only engaging in somewhat 'meaningful' conversations in a virtual reality yet having an occasional laugh now and then???
What's daly got to do with it?
how's that for your song.

Posted by: bertzel

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I don't begrudge you anything. Be as childish and obtuse as you want to be man. And laugh yourself silly - that's what mirrors are for dude.

Posted by: pararanger22 | February 23, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Oops, I stand corrected.
I also still stand behind Walker on this issue.
You like your dues being spent on all those pro union tv ads there dog?
Non stop they are running!!!

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

ranger...I've been to many a blog...don't care for a lot of 'em.
You begrudge me for not only engaging in somewhat 'meaningful' conversations in a virtual reality yet having an occasional laugh now and then???
What's daly got to do with it?
how's that for your song.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

bert, read my post again.

"public unions"

Posted by: PrairieDog60 | February 23, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

~~don't waste your time responding to this dope anymore~~

Just struck my 'funny bone'...still laughing thanks !

Posted by: bertzel

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Gee - all this good will in this blog - shall we practice 'trust falls' & sing kumbayya' now?

If you aren't learning from the stuff daly posts, why do you bother engaging with him/her?

Posted by: pararanger22 | February 23, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

~~don't waste your time responding to this dope anymore~~

Just struck my 'funny bone'...still laughing thanks !

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pararanger22 | February 23, 2011 12:12 PM ~~~

HA, HA, HA!!!!!! funny there ranger : )

Posted by: bertzel

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what's so funny?

Posted by: pararanger22 | February 23, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

~~~~Daly, you make great points every day; I always learn something from you - don't waste your time responding to this dope anymore.

pararanger22

Posted by: pararanger22 | February 23, 2011 12:12 PM ~~~

HA, HA, HA!!!!!! funny there ranger : )

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

and another thing dog....you said the poll was about private unions....the private unions have let companies cut their benefits to the bone already...many dont' even have an insurance option after they retire...
Teachers are in state fed unions...big difference and you cannot lump both in same category....Apples and oranges...confusing those being polled.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

[reference ptgrunner's remarks]

Your complete misrepresentation of this topic will color my opinion of all you say going forward. You do not speak the truth.


Posted by: dalyplanet

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dalyplanet,

A lot of the folks on the blog post things that amount to refreshing new angles to subjects that are worth our time to contemplate. I think the best way to say it is that with some of our neighbor's posts, I come away informed. ptgrunner doesn't provide such academic nourishment. He is, simply put, an American charlatan - someone we've all met in the course of our lives/the guy who questions everything but offers nothing; - but someone we can do without.

ptgrunner uses the same argument template with everyone. He tells you that 'you' changed the conditions of the argument then makes his usual childish remarks. He equates 'research' to 'understanding' and falls well short of the mark. He hasn't been academically tested in his life so he spews his thoughts without much rigor.

Daly, you make great points every day; I always learn something from you - don't waste your time responding to this dope anymore.

pararanger22

Posted by: pararanger22 | February 23, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

~~~A recent USA Today/Gallup Poll;

"The survey, conducted by telephone Monday night, asked 1,000 randomly selected adults nationwide if they would favor or oppose "a law in your state taking away some collective bargaining rights of most public unions, including the state teachers union." They found 61% would oppose such a law, 33% would favor it and 6% were unsure." pdog~~~

so that's who was calling me....
I don't answer calls many random calls such as the 'pollcallers'. They are a pain in the ass...
Hope you don't mind your union dues paying for all those tv ads there dog.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

@PrairieDog60 | February 23, 2011 11:38 AM

I admit surprise at the survey results you mention. Based on the posts I see on WaPo forums (not scientific, of course), I would have guessed that most people would support the elimination of some union collective bargaining rights. "Overreach" is the right word here. When the dust settles from WI and the other GOP/Tea Parties crazy "take America back for wealthy" initiatives, I think progressives will assume control of the political debate. The ONLY periods during which we make any social or economic progress in this country is with progressives/liberals running the show--it's been this way since the mid-1970s.

Recall Scott Walker.
Don't forget to pay your taxes.
Free Julian Assange and Bradley Manning.

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

A recent USA Today/Gallup Poll;

"The survey, conducted by telephone Monday night, asked 1,000 randomly selected adults nationwide if they would favor or oppose "a law in your state taking away some collective bargaining rights of most public unions, including the state teachers union." They found 61% would oppose such a law, 33% would favor it and 6% were unsure."

Not even close. "Overreach" seems to be a theme of Republicans in power these days, much like we experienced with BushCo. The Faux News crowd are the only ones buying into this "unions are evil" talking point.

Posted by: PrairieDog60 | February 23, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Liberalism in its death throes is great viewing enjoyment

The mid-east and the enviro/luddite/liberal fantasy worldview are about to have a headon collision

Oil, Nuke, Coal exist in the USA to handle our needs and export as well.......

Liberals want Gia un-penetrated....and are so gonna get to watch 'Drill Baby Drill" as the US voter realizes the price of looney liberalism when they gas up their car

It is so over leftists...in so many ways.....2012 will gut what is left of you.

:)

Posted by: georgedixon1 | February 23, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

@dalyplanet | February 22, 2011 10:44 PM

Not all commercial corn is the same. People do not eat what we call "field corn"--that corn is used for livestock.

And then you go on to change the argument about ethanol corn. Much of the ethanol corn grown in my area is grown on fields that were not previously at all. It's simply ANOTHER crop that farmers are using to make some money from. If it wasn't profitable for them to do so, they would plant, grow, and harvest ethanol corn. Farmers don't displace field corn or food corn with ethanol corn. They use the field corn to feed cattle. Food corn is profitable.

I'll stand by the WSJ's reason for the increase in food prices--that was news to both of us. And clearly fuel prices affect the prices of everything. If you disagree, write to the WSJ and take it up with oil companies.

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 23, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I like turtles.

Posted by: pete1013 | February 23, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

~~~If we don't, we'll have to hit rock bottom before we know we're falling.
Posted by: Tony-KS | February 23, 2011 9:51 AM ~~~

Tony, any one who hasn't figured out that we have been on a major down fall, by now, is truly an idiot.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

By the tone of Toles cartoon and editorial, we are in need
of a little self-criticism .... preferably from the hill, as a
token for the rest of us.

If we don't, we'll have to hit rock bottom before we know we're falling.

Posted by: Tony-KS | February 23, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

bert you are correct, there is sweet corn picked wet in the green leaf wrapper. This corn is considered produce by USDA and comprises less than 1% of acres planted with corn. Sweet corn is not considered in commodity dent corn numbers. Dent corn is processed into many products humans consume.

By the way I have to admit Your Gov is better than my Gov.

Posted by: dalyplanet | February 23, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Toles wrote, "The environment is now defined as "waste," and it won't be long now before it meets that definition."

By whom? Seriously, though, the control freaks in the federal bureaucracy have defined CO2 as a pollutant, a poison, even though plants cannot live without it. That's how desperate the control freaks are to justify controlling every aspect of human activity everywhere on the planet. And Mr. Toles is their obsequious stooge.

Posted by: DirtFarmer1 | February 23, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

to be honest(hmm)I don't think either 'party' is the "will" of the people.

However, majority does rule and we deal.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

By "will of the people", you mean republicans, right? Amazing isn't it how 51% control means "will of the people".

Posted by: Rudesan | February 23, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

~~~Democracy is dictators and democrats running away due to the will of the people.
Posted by: jornolibist | February 23, 2011 6:14 AM~~~~

Ha, ha, ha!!
Funny, jornolibist! In a sad sort of way.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

~~~Your complete misrepresentation of this topic will color my opinion of all you say going forward. You do not speak the truth.
Posted by: dalyplanet | February 22, 2011 10:44 PM~~~

Ha!
speaking of which...field corn is used for animal/bird feed and Ethanol.
Sweet corn is the type humans eat and or use for other food products.
As per the rest of your post...blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: bertzel | February 23, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Tom, you made a mistake saying the start of the alternate fuel era. All of Jimmy Carter's alternate fuel initiatives were scrapped with Reagan and the GOP (Gas Oil Petroleum) took office. Carter had put solar panels in the White House and Reagan made a big production of taking them out. It should read the "restart of the alternate fuel era".

Posted by: roscym1 | February 23, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

So long as anyone needs food, corn that people eat and wheat and all other food should never be used for fuel. Save the stalks and other parts we do not eat for fuel. That will be enough if we have electric cars powered by sun and wind.

Of course a better battery would make all of this more efficient. But that is on the way. If we do not think the government is wasting our money to invent and perfect that battery. Then it might take longer.

The delay will only cost us more money.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | February 23, 2011 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Why else do we have a Strategic Fuel Reserve system? When should we use it? If not now, when? If not for us, then who will use it?

Posted by: GaryEMasters | February 23, 2011 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Democracy is dictators and democrats running away due to the will of the people.

Posted by: jornolibist | February 23, 2011 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Webmaster Posting on this site is becoming very erratic. Did you add the twitter function recently as that appears to be a point of hang.

Posted by: dalyplanet | February 22, 2011 11:28 PM | Report abuse

In my tiny area of the world, ethanol corn has been grown near my house, but only previously unused fields are used. That doesn't tell us much though.

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 22, 2011
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My response

By this post it is clear you know absolutely nothing about corn. Or ag production in general.

And you missed or ignored the more important part.

US crop production numbers for corn wheat and soybeans are all in the top 5% for the last 3 years if not the top production number according to USDA.

Corn consumption for ethanol has gone from less than 5% in 2001, less than 10% in 2004, to 26% in 2009 the last year this stat is available.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/datablog/2010/jan/22/us-corn-production-biofuel-ethanol#data
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Your response edited

Here's my point. Ethanol corn is not being grown IN PLACE OF FOOD CORN OR SOYBEANS OR WHEAT, so does not displace food corn or soybeans or wheat, which in turn might limit supplies of food corn, etc. which in turn might increase food prices. As I said, I have limited data, but that appears to be the case throughout my area. Farmers make the decision to primarily grow food; it's probably more profitable unless the markets are saturated. On what was unused fields, they can profit from ethanol corn. Geeeez! Is there anything else I can spell out for you?

Posted by: ptgrunner | February 22, 2011
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My response

This post is proof positive that you shoot from the lip and ask questions later. My hope is you are the only person that believes this distorted view of corn production and my fear is there are millions more like you.

The first of your patently false misrepresentation of corn production, "Ethanol corn is not the same as food corn". All corn commercially produced is the same. Farmers use different hybrids to improve yields based on their own situation but all corn goes to elevators where it is mingled with other farmers crop from a locality and then transported to further processing facilities. On occasion due to excessive yields, some corn is stored on the ground. This corn does not go into food products but may become animal feed. But generally corn is transported by barge or train or truck to facilities where it becomes corn sweetener or ethanol and other corn products. Elevators retain some corn that is consumed locally for feed stock.

The other patently false misrepresentation, "On what was unused fields, they can profit from ethanol corn." Corn is a high energy crop. It requires good soil, fertilizer, and proper drainage. Marginal land produces poor yields. There are limited new acres for corn. The crop rotation cycle gets amended to produce more corn and less soybeans or forage depleting soil requiring more fertilizer and soil modification. Unused fields for corn are unused for a reason, they produce a poor crop.

Your complete misrepresentation of this topic will color my opinion of all you say going forward. You do not speak the truth.


Posted by: dalyplanet | February 22, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

hey primegrop |
can you explain what democracy actually means???

Posted by: bertzel | February 22, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

It is a shame we cannot drill our own abundant sources of oil.

C'mon U.S. leaders. Get a DANG clue!

Posted by: primegrop | February 22, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

dave...China has biggggg problems concerning 'It's' people....just saying.
Like the poem tho : )
course the following is, so far, my favorite, per this blog.

"It cannot was
It can is
Better for me
By fait
Best in faith
Keep it true."

Who the heck posted that anyway?

and dave... please, sss again? Also, if I may add, religion is the main problem concerning 'world peace'. Don't you agree?

Posted by: bertzel | February 22, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Because climate protesters are part of a huge socialist hoax that has nothing to do with democracy anywhere.

Posted by: bignoisylawnmower | February 22, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Hell, if you want to lay blame...blame CEO's (FAT CATS). They are the ones who 'killed' the middle class (this country).
The middle class was the backbone of this nation....no longer. And by the way...all jobs are dead end jobs......
Posted by: bertzel

My Song...
We are little black sheep who have gone astray and lost our way; Baa, Baa, Baa...

The mighty fortress that we used to be
Is now a hollow shell; its ramparts felled.

We started the war that was based on lies.
The stories told with loud thunderous cries.

Instead of doing what was right and good.
They did what no one understood.

Now we are in disarray and can only pray
That common sense will lead the way.

Rebuilding our nation is no simple task
But it must be done if we are to last.

We have the resources and people at hand.
It takes money, courage and a plan.

We know what it takes and done it before.
All we need is a government, reborn.

"Ye- the right solution for the problem"

If the Chinese can do it; so also can we.
Dave
Social Systems Specialist.



Posted by: OckamsRazor | February 22, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse


Per your outtake...
LOL....in this day and age Toles....not such a bad thing. Though, not quite accurate, either.
Like I've said before...the unions right now are looking out more for their survival moreso than the 'once upon a time workforce'.
They are all about 'cash flow' and have been for quite some time. We seem to forget all the negativity that has 'shrouded' unions and some of their activities.
And, of course,they are big supporters of the dem party, aren't they......AGENDA.

I stand behind Walker on this topic.....teachers had their chance...refused...we have NO MONEY in this state. PERIOD. The cuts have to come and this is just the beginning, so yeah, I'm bracing for more! As should all across this 'once great nation of ours'.
Hell, if you want to lay blame...blame CEO's (FAT CATS). They are the ones who 'killed' the middle class (this country).
The middle class was the backbone of this nation....no longer. And by the way...all jobs are dead end jobs......

Posted by: bertzel | February 22, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

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