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Immigration Showdown Likely

Tim Craig

There could be fireworks tomorrow (Tuesday) at the Virginia Commission on Immigration's first meeting.

The commission is studying the state's immigration policies and advising Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) on whether the state should adopt new policies to restrict of the flow of illegal immigrants into the state.

Del. Robert G. Marshall (R-Prince William) was the sponsor of the bill establishing the committee, so he says he should be the chairman of the 20-member panel. But sources say moderate Senate GOP leaders and Kaine administration officials are trying to install Sen. John C. Watkins (R-Chesterfield) as chairman because Marshall has a reputation for being too combative and conservative.

Marshall says he plans to put up a fight to be chairman when the 20-member commission votes at 9 a.m..

Tensions are already high. On Sunday evening, Marshall said he confronted Watkins in "a blunt conversation."

"I said, 'Could you tell me why you are doing this?' He told me he had no obligation to tell me anything'," Marshall said in an interview today. "I said, 'John, I have worked on this for five years and you waltz in and try to be in charge? That strikes me as irregular and lacking in common courtesy'."

In an interview, Watkins countered he doesn't plan to back down. "I have been asked by a couple of people if I would be willing to serve and I said yes," Watkins said.

The outcome of the election could affect the direction of the commission's work.

Marshall has been an outspoken critic of illegal immigration. By luring Watkins as chairman, Marshall says Kaine and Senate Republicans want "to steer the commission" so its findings are less hard hitting.

Watkins, who owns a nursey, is believed to be more moderate than Marshall on the immigration issue. Each year, Watkins hires a crew of legal migrant workers for his nursey.

"I am even-handed on this issue," Watkins said. "I will not tolerate illegal immigration anymore than the next person ...But I don't have an ax to grind one way or another."

By Tim Craig  |  September 24, 2007; 2:07 PM ET
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What makes Watkins think Marshall is carrying an ax? Seems to me Watkins wants to go through the motions so he can say he "did something." Typical pol.

Posted by: Ricardo - alexandria | September 24, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Bob Marshall wastes more time on ridiculous items than any member of the legislature. He and his anti-immigration cronies are playing to the racist and nativist part of their constituency. He does not want solutions. He wants slogans and symbolism to run in an election campaign. He and his cronies know they need to try to fire up their core constituency because their control of the legislature has been a failure and their core ideas are repugnant to an ever increasing majority of Virginia voters. Perhaps he can enlist the support of the Republican candidate for the State Senate from the Tidewater area who wants to abolish public (or as she would call them "government") schools. What a pair they will make. Add Ken Cucinelli to that group and you truly have a modern day three stooges.

Posted by: Marshall foe | September 24, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Be carefull Virginia - The Racist Council Laraza ("Outside the Race Nobody") and the Mexican Governemnt will sue you if you try to restrict their influence in the commonwealth.

As Calderon has pledged and the racist Council Laraza promoted, "Mexico has no borders" and they will enforce that by dispatching another million illegals to Virginia if Virgina opposes their will. They have their rights as they say to make "America bow down to them!"


Posted by: Tom Jefferson | September 24, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

80% of the American people want an end to anarchy!

Illegal workers are criminals, those who hire them are criminals and those who aid-and-abet them are criminals.

Illegal aliens in America have NO rights. We are required to arrest and prosecute, deport them.

No, matter your political party affiliation, and setting aside your thoughts on issues. We all need to remember what it is to be an American Citizen. We need to make sure our elected representatives obey their Oath of Office and keep their Oath of Allegiance.

See http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl Know whom you are voting for.

Posted by: Dr Coles | September 24, 2007 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Parts of Virginia just love to hate, and Marshall has earned that reputation, as have other state and local leaders who focus on divisive methods and fear tactics to govern.

Living in the USA without papers is indeed breaking a law....a civil law, not a criminal law. Since when does missing a piece of paper and/or owing taxes make an entire population worthy of hatred and discrimination?

Please....let someone more even-minded work on the real issues surrounding immigration. Never mind the power plays and thirst for personal glory. There can be no glory where there is no justice.

Posted by: kgotthardt | September 24, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Jeeze Tom Jefferson!

If you are going to defame the premier Hispanic civil rights organization... an organization of American citizens which represents (and is respected) by the vast majority of Hispanic Americans...

At least spell their name right.

http://www.nclr.org
(if you want to learn for yourself)

Posted by: American Patriot | September 24, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I just moved to Dallas, TX and I was watching a news story about Irving, TX. Irving has opened their jails to ICE and are now deporting almost 300 illegal aliens a month.

The Mexican Consulate was seen on TV asking illegal aliens to stay away from Irving because of the city ordinances that have been put in place.

It can be done.

Posted by: A | September 24, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

What a naive statement that illegal aliens only crime is breaking civil and not criminal laws. Where are you hiding kgotthardt ? You really need to get out more and see what illegal aliens are doing to our communities. Do you like to see discarded mattresses stacked up on lawns or how about a dozen illegally registered motor vehicles blocking the streets. Have you not been reading the papers where illegal aliens driving unlawfully are killing innocent people? Illegal aliens have an established pattern of breaking laws and must do so to survive.

Weak minded liberals like Supervisor Joan Dubious and Gerry Connelly are now attacking the problem as "behavior". When the toilet is overflowing do you just mop up the water or cut off the water supply? If you are a liberal you continue to mop because you can milk the tax paying public for millions. Ask Gerry Connelly how many millions of dollars are spent on ESL alone!

Posted by: Herndon Resident | September 25, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Why is it racist to expect Everyone to obey the laws of this country? What other laws are inconvenient? Which should we ignore?

Posted by: Patriotsthink | September 25, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

What we are trying to do in Prince William is simply end some tax-funded social services to illegal aliens and in routine stops by local law, check the immigration status of ALL people stopped. If ALL are checked, no one can cry "racial profiling". Likewise, those of us here legally have nothing to fear. Illegal aliens are not entitled to tax-funded benefits other than emergency health care and children's education. It is illegal according to our immigration laws, to aid illegal aliens. We have to work on enforcing our immigration laws as the Feds are not otherwise we will be a bankrupt county, state and nation. There are over 80,000 convicted illegal alien criminals loose among us; 6,000 of them murders. Treatment-resistant TB in PWC, I have read, is up over 300%, other diseases with substantial rate raises. A number of long-time PWC residents have moved due to these factors and overcrowded houses and parking next to them from illegals, as well as trash and debris in yards. Illegals do not seem subject to the same laws as citizens. The more America helps those here illegally, the more illegals will come. Meantime, nothing is being done to get to the root of the illegal alien's problem: their countries seem not to care about their poor, uneducated and disadvantaged people. Why should our country subsidize well-to-do nations who do nothing for their own poor except push them off on other countries? The birth rates are so high in some countries if the number allowed to enter other countries each year were increased by a million, that would still only be the very tip of the iceburg. America, our states, and our cities cannot care for the world's poor and uneducated. If we could, why do we still have large numbers of our very own homeless, mentally or physically challenged, sick people who cannot afford medical care, uneducated who cannot afford education costs, etc? Charity should begin at home for our very own citizens, and we should not be forced to pay for other nation's people who knowingly entered our country against our laws.

Posted by: Carol Moore | September 25, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Read your history book, gentlemen: racims always loses in America. A comprehensive immigration reform is a matter of when, not if, and even the KKK members of this board know it. To ignore the existence of millions who work hard and contribute to the economy is criminal. They must be offered a chance to follow the American dream. And, no, Latinos aren't taking over. They sure are the boogeyman, just like Irish, Italians in previous generations. And, if you tell me that your ancestors came here legally, I say: go get a life. If by legally you mean getting on a boat and signing your name at Ellis Island, every illegal could do that today. If you blame your failures in life on others(Nazis and jews, years ago, remember?), it means that you should seriously reexamine your life first!!!

Posted by: sven | September 25, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

As the US government remains at an impasse over what to do about illegal immigration and illegal workers, over 70% of people with severe disabilities in this country are without a job.

One of the arguments for allowing illegal workers to remain without penalty at their jobs is the misconception that American citizens will not take these often labor-intensive, low-paying positions. In Southeastern Virginia alone, there are hundreds of people with severe developmental disabilities who would love the chance to work and earn a paycheck, but are being denied that right because of misconceptions and discrimination.

Why are employers hiring illegal immigrants in favor of hiring American citizens with disabilities? Either they are unaware of this huge available pool of people, or they feel it would be too time consuming or expensive to train and/or supervise these individuals. They could not be more wrong. In fact, hiring people with severe disabilities saves corporations thousands, even millions of dollars each year.

Many non-profit vocational service organizations across the country like Chesapeake Service Systems (CSS), provide job coaches for free that work along side people with severe disabilities in their jobs until they feel secure enough work on their own. There are also sheltered/enclave supervised employment opportunities where those who are the most severely impaired work on assembly-line type of work.


According to the Disability Funder's Network website, people with disabilities constitute the largest minority group in the United States--crossing lines of age, ethnicity, gender, race, sexual orientation and socioeconomic status. They also report that the majority of people with disabilities are poor due to lack of opportunities.

Working gives people with disabilities self-esteem, pride, and a purpose in life. Many of the people at CSS would be sitting in institutions literally doing nothing, if they were not provided a work opportunity and a chance at a better life. 20.3 million Americans with severe disabilities are unemployed. Make no mistake about it, the disability community is in a crisis right now, but there is a very clear solution.

If employers across the US are looking for cost-effective, skilled and unskilled labor, they need to do this country a favor and hire Americans with severe disabilities. It will not only provide them with a federal tax credit, but it will enhance their image as diversity and empowerment leaders.

People with severe disabilities deserve a chance to be contributing members of their communities. Their work ethic, dedication, talents, and abilities will far surpass anyone on the payroll who is there legally or not.

Chesapeake Service System's mission is two-fold. First, it is to provide meaningful work opportunities to people with mental retardation and other severe disabilities, enabling them to reach their full potential in a least restrictive environment that maximizes independence. Second, it is to advocate for changed perceptions and inclusion of people with mental retardation and other disabilities in the community so that the community sees their ability rather than the disability.

Posted by: Teri Arnold | September 25, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Why are those of us who call for fairness in the law considered racist or nativist? If I steal and use someone else's SSN for any reason I'll be quickly prosecuted. Why aren't illegal immigrants forced to obey the same laws as american citizens?

Posted by: Reese | September 25, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

This VA Commission on Immigrants selections seems questionable. Sounds as if some people are trying to deliberately put in those soft on illegal immigration. Also it seems citizens should have something to say about who represents them. The candidate who seems most likely to actually do something Pro-Citizen will probably get my vote in upcoming elections. We absolutely have to do something to stop people from coming over our borders illegally. It is reaching a point that taxpayers cannot support those who have no legal right to be here and are angry about it, justifiably so.

Posted by: Manassas Resident | September 25, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

How is that an American citizen who merely wants the rule of law enforced in his/her own country is now automatically a conservative bigot? Approximately 80% of the American people do not want illegal immigrants to be granted amnesty. Can they all be bigots? Are they all conservatives? We are being sold a bill of goods and this isn't the America I once knew. It's not a democracy anymore. The rich and powerful are pushing through an eminent domain policy. A policy comprised of third world peoples. It would have been nice if we had been consulted, but as I say, this isn't a democracy anymore.

Posted by: Incredulous | September 25, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

To Sven- If the illegal immigrants could/would be examined by the 21st century equivalent of an Ellis Island (as you say), then why don't they and reduce the possibility of infecting (which many have done already) our first rate nation with diseases we eradicated decades ago such a TB and leprosy, among others? That would be considerate, and it would be a start.

Posted by: Incredulous | September 25, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Our nation has been occupied by approx 20 million plus illegal aliens. Not the Federal mantra of 12 million, according to the Heritage Foundation. Those who condone illegal immigration should read the Federal Register? Ading and Abeting foreign nationals, illegal aliens, illegal immigrants, undocumented workers is a Felony. There is no exception to this rule? The tidal flow into this country has brought a massive criminal element, that causes mayhem and carnage on our highways and streets everyday. Of course yopu will not read abot this in the major press. However the grassroot anti-illegal immigration sites is growing daily, as people are sick and tired of supporting the world, will the illegal employers laugh all the way to the bank. Unsuppressed news and facts can be found at The Dark Side of Illegal immigration, Immigration Counters, Liberty Post, Indexer, Alipac, American Patrol. Tell your Family, friends and Co-workers that the globalist Agenda must be stopped. Their only plan is to flood America with cheap labor for more money and appeasing the open border zealots?

Posted by: Brittanicus. | September 25, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Sanctuary Cities may be a thing of the past, as states like Arizona, Missouri, Georgia and soon Kansas have enacted harsh illegal immigration laws. Even so our Brain dead Senate have hidden a slimy immigration amendment to a war Appropriations bill. We must fight back! Our children must come first! Let the goverments of foreign nations, their corporate elite pay for the education of their own children. Dont force another unfunded mandate on the taxpayers of America. Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) and other amnesty advocates will bring the DREAM Act to the floor as an amendment to the Department of Defense Authorization Bill (H.R.1585). The efforts by amnesty advocates such as Senator Durbin to tack the DREAM Act onto what many consider a "must-pass" bill has been widely criticized as an attempt to pass amnesty legislation piece by piece. The DREAM Act was part of the massive Bush-Kennedy Amnesty Bill (S.1639), which was overwhelmingly rejected in June of this year.

The week began with Senator Durbin giving a speech on the Senate floor, recognizing that some might question why he would bring up such a controversial amendment during a debate over our nation's armed forces. His response was that the DREAM Act would address a serious recruitment crisis facing our military. "Under the DREAM Act," he said, "tens of thousands of well-qualified potential recruits would become eligible for military service for the first time. They are eager to serve in the armed services, and under the DREAM Act, they would have a very strong incentive to enlist because it would give them a path to permanent legal status."

Senator Durbin's vision of granting legal status to illegal aliens in order to meet our military recruitment goals was not well-received. This may have been because those who are familiar with the DREAM Act's history know that the legislation deals with more than granting amnesty to illegal aliens who serve in the military. Previous versions of the legislation have granted amnesty to an uncapped number of illegal aliens in the military or school--regardless of age, it allowed states to offer in-state tuition to illegal aliens and it expressly provided that illegal aliens who receive status under the Act are eligible for federal financial aid for college tuition.
Read your Senators the riot Act.
Go and send a free fax via Numbersusa.

Posted by: Brittanicus | September 25, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It has been long standing tradition that the Sponsor of the bill be chairman of the committee. Since 2000, the OVERWHELMING number of studies are chaired by the Chief Sponsor and you have to have a serious reason to depart from that.

Why on earth would some random senator, who didn't Co-Sponsor, Patron, or even talk about this bill when it was being voted on, be elected as Chairman?

If John C. Watkins wanted to do something about immigration, why didn't he do it in his previous 26 years serving Virgina? At least Marshall introduced this bill in 2002 after 9/11, just to get struck down by the Senate. Then again in 2006, just to get struck down by the Senate AGAIN. (http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2006/hb186/) Finally, its passed, and the guy who had nothing to do with it gets the Chairman. Ridiculous.

Virginians, as a majority, want the state government to do something about illegal immigration. The last thing Virginia needed was an "I don't have to explain anything to you!" politician as Chairman.

The legitimacy of this committee is already in question, and they haven't even started their research.

Posted by: Tom | September 25, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Lets just get this over with. We will become an annex or a legal part of Mexico, we will all speak Spanish now, we will all have large families, all work in the fields or on roofs, all expect the goverment to take care of us. Lets just do it and get it over with. Now that Mexico rules America, lets get on with adopting Mexico's way of life. If you are here (Americo) illegally you get thrown in jail, plain and simple. We will now let drugs run amuck and only have a rich/poor country where our poor (me) can sneak across the Canadian border looking to change yet another country's social fabric. Everyone loves Mexican's so much (and I am from a legal Mexican family so don't even go there with the racist issue with me)let's just DO IT. I really don't think you will like what you are asking for but it is the trend that America is just simply a part of Mexico. Start living it and see how much you really think this is a good idea.

Posted by: M. Robinson | September 25, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

SHEEP! That is what politicians who side with illegal aliens are - SHEEP. Mexicans Without Borders, La Raza - these names say it all people! Wake up before America is destroyed. Vote these fools out of office every chance we get. This madness has to end soon. Illegal immigration is an affront to American values and a threat that strikes at our very sovereignty. We have to win this fight. That is all.

Posted by: Disgusted | September 25, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm not Mexican, neither African American. I don't understand this hatred you have for these people. I grew up in country witch is 99.9 white that hated Russians because they were occupants. So I don't have this color problem.
I came to this country almost 7 years ago with few suitcases and pregnant wife, with no English and of course no money. I've been here legally for 6 months, and then we overstayed our visas. Why did I come here? Because I didn't want to raise my kid in a country that is build on wrong values. In the country that understands capitalism in it's wildest. That is corrupt from head to toe... At the beginning it was HARD. Doggy feeling, when you understand but can't speak back. So naturally "they" think "stupid immigrant" and I know most Mexicans fell the same. Thanks god it passed. Now my wife has her on business, she owns real-estate Company; I'm loan officer in Mortgage Company. We own several income generating properties, few cars. Pay taxes. ...Am I really bad for the US? Before you judge please dig your roots.99.9 % of YOU aren't Native Americans.

Thank you AMERICA for the chance


R

Posted by: R | September 25, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Illegal uncontrolled immigration is a huge problem, maybe THE problem America must face to survive. People can try to solve it themselves (ie Mr Joe refusing to hire a Mexican to do his lawn) but this is not super efficient. The problem must be fixed at a very high governmental level (after all it's the govt who caused the mess by leaving open borders). But not with Bush (Mr Big Oil and corporations) around. In 2008 we will finally crackdown and reverse immigration from Mexico.

Posted by: edla67 | September 25, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

R, as much as people of color would like to think this is a color problme, it is not. The US has laws. Within the structure of the legal immigration laws there is to be no more than 6% of any one ethnic group within the total immigration numbers of any one year. There is a reason for this. America is diverse. Apparently the goverment and its citizens would like a balance of diversity so that no one ethnic group dictates law or social behavior one way or the other. As for your opinion, I've never spoke or read about a person here illegally that succeeded that seemed to be able to see what they did was wrong. Not for the wrong reasons (a better life) but wrong because they took it upon themselves to thumb their noses at our laws. Don't I wish every day as a citizen I could choose which laws I would like to follow and which ones I didn't because they did not fit my needs. What a wonderful life if I did not have to pay taxes. Or if I could just skip the need to provide required (for citizens only apparently) documents for bank accounts or purchases, etc. You my friend have lived the true life we would all like to. No accountability until you chose to be counted. Well, if everyone did that our country would be (as it is now headed) in shambles. America does not belong to just anyone and everyone who sets foot on our soil. This is not e-bay America going to the highest bidder. It's a country of laws and even though I applaud you for your successes in this country, shame on you for beginning your success story based on a lie. I'm sure you are encouraging all you can to follow suit and for that I think you are just wrong. I believe in immigration. I just happen to believe in legal immigration. This is not about color as badly as some would love to think this is about. Rah Rah let's yell discrimination and profiling. No, it is about right and wrong and interestingly enough, there are apparently people who just can't tell the difference.

Posted by: M. Robinson | September 25, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

By the way R, why did you thank America for the chance? I don't believe based on your story of being here illegal for 6 years and 6 months that anyone gave you anything. You took what you got illegally.

Posted by: M Robinson | September 25, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

in response to people like m.robinson;
most hardworking undocumented here don't pay taxes because without the proper documents work off the books.drive without license because they can't go to the dmv to get one.get it through your thick head
if you give them a chance they can prove tthat they can be lawabiding citizens of this great country.you said you are mexican american and you don't know what these people go through to come here to have a better live?you probably married the first american just to get your green card.you sellout
some complain about mexicans sending all their money back to mexico;that's because their future is so uncertain without proper papers in the us
again the solution is to document all illegally living/working here
is they can proof that they can be lawabiding citizens ,get a chance to become permanant residents then american citizens
even murderers get a second chance

Posted by: illegal | September 26, 2007 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Illegal, you follow a common pattern of pro illegal people. You name call, assume, etc, but don't want done to you. It is common. You also expect all Mexicans to condone illegal Mexican behavior. That is also common. Sorry to dissapoint you.

If we suddenly woke up one morning and all people were gray and we could not tell one person's color from another, trust me, this country would be even more outraged at what is going on than theyi already are. Color condoning illegal activities of another just because they are the same color is almost laughable. Remember OJ? The WORLD knew he was guilty but he got off on color. I lost my stomach for that kind of loyalty long ago. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Can't color that any other way. Personally I am all for a controlled worker program and would support people coming here to make a good living to support their families where ever they are from. I just simply will not support rewarding people for coming here illegally. The government and citizens need to work on a worker program and drop the citizenship issue. The reason nothing has changed and the reason citizens are so horrified with the invasion of illegals is they want it all, hands down, no compromise. Well that is just not going to happen.

Posted by: M. Robinson | September 26, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Illegal, another suggestion. You should be marching on Washington demanding help in your home country. Apparently our government loves to try to change the social fabric of other countries. Ask them to pounce on your country and demand they take better care of you. God is everywhere, not just in the US.

Posted by: M. Robinson | September 26, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

" Do you like to see discarded mattresses stacked up on lawns or how about a dozen illegally registered motor vehicles blocking the streets. Have you not been reading the papers where illegal aliens driving unlawfully are killing innocent people?"

Wow - that sounds like any one of the holler's I grew up passing on the way to school every morning. And the only variation of skin colors in those folks were between their necks and that sensitive area covered by their breeches. And that's no joke.

Maybe it is YOU who needs to get out a little more. I have found many Hispanic families to be hard working, clean, and reverent... while many welfare sucking, trailer park trash who augment their SSI checks with food stamps and illegal Oxycontin sales couldn't give a rat's @ss if their kids are even making it on the school bus, much less care if they're day-dreaming about shooting up the local middle school.

Yes, if you choose drive-by's as your method of assessing the Hispanics (or any other segment of society)... then rest assured you will always find exactly what you're looking for.

Things I have learned:

I'd rather push a Chevy than drive a Ford... but having a car service is nice, too.

Grit and Steele magazine was way more interesting than my third grade primer.

Roundhead stags are fierce in a pit... but always put at least $5 on the Gray anyway.

Voltaire was right - this IS the best of all possible worlds.

Doctors don't care what kind of underwear you're wearing, and if you're in an accident... chances are - they're going to get soiled in the process.

I'd rather have a nice Hispanic family as a neighbor, even with a pink and blue statue of the Virgin Mary sitting in their front yard than to have some guy next door who would just as soon kill me as look at me because he doesn't agree with my religion... or anyone's religion that isn't his.

So can we focus on the real security issues now?

It is zoning commissions and the like to clean up mattresses and junk cars... not immigration. If I'm wrong, then we've got to start sending a lot of ICE agents into Appalachia with dump trucks and Greyhounds to load those folks up and get 'em outta here. But let me warn you... they take the second amendment VERY seriously...

Posted by: DixieChick | September 26, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

DixieChick +1

Posted by: R | September 26, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Remember OJ? The WORLD knew he was guilty but he got off on color. I lost my stomach for that kind of loyalty long ago. Right is right and wrong is wrong."

And I thought I was done...

"all you Mexicans just resort to name calling [insert violin here, sniff, sniff] and you just want to change our country [insert politics/DNA/whatever here] but you're all a bunch of criminals and need to go home and go to Wal-Mart-O and BUY a ticket to ride the Great American Dream just like WE all had to do...". [Insert vomiting sound here].

First - concerning OJ. How can you say that, M? Don't you know OJ is innocent? You know how I know? Because WE are a nation of laws!! You know how I know? Because Sean Hannity TOLD me so! And he's NEVER wrong!

The fact is - we are a nation of LAWYERS. OJ got off for a number of reasons... one of which was that his color appealed to the jury. More than that, his CELEBRITY appealed to the jury. Just like a laundry list of celebrities who are getting slaps on the wrist and sentenced to spa-like rehab centers for offenses that REALLLY could kill dozens. Ask the parents of the school bus victims who burned to death [KY in 1988] when a drunk driver crossed into oncoming traffic and hit them head on. Eighty seven minutes in jail for Miss Ritchie? C'mon. Where's your moral outrage? The blogs? The endless news coverage and campaigns to jam legislative phone lines... you Lovers-of-the-law???

Now - about crossing borders. I always chuckle when I think how we feel warm and fuzzy we get about the DARE campaign when we want to teach our the perils of drugs. But when we want a good time, where do we head for? Mexico, baby! Tijuana!! See the donkey show! Cancun - resorts with endless flowing alcohol and nobody looking over our shoulders. Time shares on the Mayan Riviera. And if you live on the border? Holy cow! Drive across to Ciudad de Acuna for your prescription drugs! No prescription needed over there.

It's hilarious how easily we slap "illegal" on the bumpers of the traffic coming our way - but when it's our criminals headed south... well, who's really complaining? Not Mexico. Our appetite for guilty pleasures are a mainstay of their economy.

As for Illegal - give him a break. And if not him, then give ME a break. You complain they don't learn English. His is better than most Hip-Hop industry leaders. He is engaging in debate - which is a fundamental principle of the constitution. Who are you to tell him when or how he should let his voice be heard? Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.

Posted by: DixieChick | September 26, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

M. Robinson,
I totally agree with you on an issue about the borders. The borders should be controlled. But... do you know the ways to get here legally? well there are few: 1 is business visa,2)citizen close relatives,3) the green card LOTTERY. So if I don't qualify for business visa don't have relatives what should I do "win a LOTTERY" ..I don't gamble ,,should I start?? You see I don't get it.. Now about citizenship. I don't need it, just let get out of the shadow. That's all I need

Thank you

R

Posted by: R | September 26, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I think it is very interesting the very people spewing insults to people who likely are citizens (rapers, trailer trash, etc.) are the very people who don't want to be profiled or called names or the like. Is this a one way street or what? I have the deepest respect and caring for those who want a better life. However, with that said, the laws need to be changed to enable people to do so in an organized manner and without breaking the law.

I'm from the period of time when teachers and government representatives were lecturing young women like myself to limit the number of children we planned to have. America was growing too fast. Birth control was encouraged so we would always have planned educational institutions, enough natural resources. Well, gee some of us bought into that bull and had very small families. Now? What a joke, the more the merrier, meet you at the emergency room for the next arrival. Sort of makes me mad that the government's take it easy on the family planning program seemed to only apply to young white women. So you know, everyone has a beef if they look hard enough. This one is discriminated against, that one is profiled, and well me? I just got sold a bill of goods as a young woman that if I was a good American, I wouldn't have anymore than 2 children. Now we have experienced a miracle where people seem to think we have plenty of room, plenty of resources, plenty of educational institutions and plenty of jobs for all. Where did that come from anyway?

The immigration laws need to be looked at realistically, not to change to what people may WANT, but what is right for steady, planned growth based on the resources we have for everyone invovled to have a better life. No one is going to be happy if getting to work takes hours, we are on water rationing, there is a gas shortage and families are crammed into small living spaces. It would be wonderful if America was big enough and rich enough to take in everyone who would like to be here but I think that is not the case. So, it has to be organized and followed. Anyway, all this has been said nicely time and time again and it just falls on deaf ears because it isn't want some want to hear. Sorry.

Posted by: M. Robinson | September 26, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

And hey, I lived in a trailer park myself and we didn't do the stuff you wrote about R. Quit comparing people to people. This is not about white trash or rappers or hispanics, or blacks. Nor is it about food stamps or the like. it's about our laws. If they are wrong, outdated, get them changed. If they are not, then follow them. There are many hard working Americans in America of all different colors and backgrounds. No one group has a "hold" to title on that one.

Now if you are really in a fighting mood we can talk about the woman in Las Gatos Ca. who was loading up her son's bicycle after a sports game and an illegal plowed into her with his SUV (sound poor to you?) crushing her legs. She has lost her ability to finish nurshing school, last I heard was about to loose at least one of her legs, others will have to care for her smaller children for quite some time and gee, the illegal of course has no money to help pay her medical bills. He was driving on a suspended license. Of course no one can say how he got the license to begin with and why he was not deported after the first DUI. Not all illegals here are hard working people looking for a better life, nor are all the illegals bad people drinking and driving and hurting others. Let's just stick with right and wrong and what the laws say and if we don't like what the laws say, take the time to try to get them changed to accomodate the REASONABLE. I'm all for a temporary workers program myself. Quit going for the whole ball of wax and get a worker's program approved, let those nice people out of the shadows and get on with life.

Posted by: M. Robinson | September 26, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

We HAVE to crack down on illegal immigration. I've lived here for 15 years and what a decline in my quality of life.

Poor illegal Hispanics lining the roads and 7-11's looking for work like prostitutes. They can't afford to live here so they crowd into houses - with 10 cars on the street and front lawn. Huge amounts of trash.

Along Columbia Pike (near the bike path that I ride) it used to be beautiful. Now there's trash and poor illegal Hispanics passed out along the bike path, hanging in the streets. Look at the Fairfax County Police releases. You'll find weekly incidents right there around Bailey's Crossroads of Hispanics attacking, battering, and raping people. This was NOT happening a few years ago.

It's just a BIG mess. They come here because getting paid $250/week and living 20 to a house is much better than life at home. Free school for their kids. Food stamps (for their American born children). Great infrastructure.

The problem is that if you're one of the unlucky ones living in or near where the new "poverty zones" have been established (and spreading), life is like Tijuana.

What do you expect - we've got third world people on third world wages now living among us. It's expanding and will continue to expand. Life here is better - even if you don't have a job.

Fairfax needs to address this problem. I've considered moving out primarily because I'm getting tired of the 3rd world-like conditions spreading - AND not knowing when it will end or how bad it will get.

Posted by: Becky Lewis | September 30, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

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