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New Poll Shows McCain With Narrow Lead in Va.

Tim Craig

Arizona Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) holds a narrow lead over Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill) in Virginia, according to a new poll by Mason-Dixon Research Inc. for several state newspapers, including the Richmond Times Dispatch.

The poll has McCain getting 48 percent of the vote compared to Obama's 45 percent. But McCain's lead is within the 4 point margin of error. According to the Times Dispatch, McCain leads among men, whites and military voters. MCain also leads in rural areas and in Richmond.

The two candidates are running even in the Hampton Roads but Obama has a big lead in Northern Virginia. He is also ahead among blacks, younger voters -- those 18 to 34 -- as well as women, according to the Times Dispatch.

On Wednesday, CNN/Time published a poll that showed Obama ahead of McCain, 53 to 44 percent, in Virginia. A Washington Post published last Monday showed Obama with a 3 point lead over McCain.

By Tim Craig  |  October 2, 2008; 1:18 PM ET
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Depending on who you're listening to, Obama has a 9 pt or 3 pt lead, or a 3 pt deficit. Uh, should we have much confidence in these things?

Posted by: Chris | October 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Who cares who wins at this point.

Hillary Clinton was the best and most able candidate of either party and the only one capable of cleaning up this mess.

Plus she got more votes than any other presidetnial primary candidiate in history.

Posted by: ch | October 2, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Have any of Mason-Dixon's polls ever been accurate. They're just a hack organization that publish the opposite of other nationally reknown polls, only to be proven wrong. I bet most people working or that outfit never even graduated from high school. We have a similar outfit called Gonzales Research in Maryland that predicted Erhlich would win. We know that story.

Posted by: playa | October 2, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary Clinton was the best and most able candidate of either party and the only one capable of cleaning up this mess.

Plus she got more votes than any other presidetnial primary candidiate in history."

If you count michigan voters, who had no choice but to vote for Hillary.

That is like saying the Sun has the most votes as the "Best star in our solar system."

Or McCain has the most votes for "someone who is named John McCain and has spent 4 years as a POW."

If Hillary was fair, she would have taken her name of the ballot in michigan, LIKE EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE DID, or at least point out the fact that michigan was not a fair election.

Posted by: Tim | October 2, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama had a 20 year association with his religious leader and priest Jeremiah Wright, who became Barack's idol and role model. Jeremiah married Barack and Michelle and baptized both their daughters. AND, we all remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack's religious leader Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Theologically Barack's religious leader Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; He believes that black values are superior to middle-class American values, and that blacks should isolate themselves from the wider American society.
 Indeed Barack's religious leader Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love by voting for John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 2, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

For you to get a job ... because clearly you have WAY to much time on your hands to craft that piece of prosaic genius!

Posted by: The Time Is Now! | October 2, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The time is now!
To remind Americans that John McCain is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. John is not very good at hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses blantent lies to get elected.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that John McCain had a 15 year association with his Lobbyist advisor and enron loophole creater Phil Graham, who became McCain's idol and economic advisor. Graham created the deregulation that caused the economic crisis we are in. AND, we all remember the hideous videos of Phil Graham's interveiw, damning America that they are all whiners, after the most Americans lost their jobs and homes.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that McCains's campaign manager Rick Davis used his lobbyist ties to exercise a radical economic agenda, and he refers to his lobbying job, as well as campaign funtions, as labbying free. Theologically McCain's campaing manager believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the rich; He believes that rich values are superior to middle-class American values, and that richies should isolate themselves from the wider American society.
 Indeed McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis is a rich elitist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that John McCain wants to be president to implement the lobbyist dream of a rich noble class in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love by voting for Barack Obama for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for Barack Obama/ Joe Biden

Posted by: Tim | October 2, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

...to remind Americans that mentioning Barack Obama's middle name completely shreds your credibility and whatever point you were trying to make.

Posted by: The Time Is Now.... | October 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Uh, "Mason-Dixon Reasearch"? Whoever they are, they seem to have this race polled exactly opposite to every other polling firm. Oh well, gotta believe in something!

No one every said "Dixie" would join the 21st Century without a fight! "Mason-Dixon Research"?

Posted by: Donny | October 2, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The original "Time is Now" poster should at least get their facts right, there are so many inaccuracies there I don't know where to start.

But their obvious fear of a "black supremacist society" is proof that we do still live in a racist country. The whole arguement against Obama is out of fear of a black President.

Posted by: Wright | October 2, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The Mason-Dixon poll is considered to be one of the better polls, according to fivethirtyeight dot com. When you average all the polls, Obama is still ahead in Virginia.

Posted by: Mason-Dixon | October 2, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

To Manolete: Great piece -- you left out that Obama is the second largest recipient of funding from the now failed Fannie Mae and that Frank Reins, (the former head of Fannie, and one of Obama's good buddies, supporter, and financial advisor ALTHOUGH they're trying to hide that) raked in 90+ million dollars over six years into his bank account. How about giving some of that back to the failing Fannie? Probably not.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Imagine a candidate where, if you mention his middle name, you get called a racist. Wow, I feel like we are living in Germany in the 30's and a new radical leader is suddenly emerging.

His Name is HUSSEIN, why are you trying to hide it?

Posted by: Fred | October 2, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The time is now 3:22 est.

OBAMA/BIDEN on Nov. 4 08

Posted by: Roger | October 2, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Funny part is that this information will never make it to a larger news organization. They only print news favorable to Obama. Check it out, when Obama opened up a 9 point lead on the ABC poll where they asked 670 people, (200 of whom were black and 48% were Democrats while only 38% were Republican), The news was reported on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and of course ABC. Now, yesterday when the poll showed that Obama had dropped 2 points and McCain gained 2 points for a 4 point McCain swing, the news was reported where? Fox News....Oh by the way...ABC did not quote their own poll. Imagine that, they skipped it in the morning news reports. Gee, I wonder why.

Journalism is dead and the media has drank the B. Hussein Kool Aid.

Posted by: Journalistic | October 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

How often do you mention a candidate's middle name? I agree, it's a silly non-issue. But you have to admit that people bring it up all the time, when I don't know hear people say Joseph Robinette Biden, John Sidney McCain, or Sarah Louise Heath Palin. I bet you didn't know at least one of those middle names, and I doubt you ever write their full names like that.

Posted by: Kip | October 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Hillary who?

Posted by: She Lost | October 2, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Black supremacist society in America"? I have heard some crazy things come out of this election, but this is about the most ridiculous thing I have seen. Even if it were true, how would the President accomplish such a thing? Moreover, wouldn't an elevated minority population appease closet racists like yourself? Presuming that your obvious racism actually stems from a failure to seperate socio-economic class from skin color, wouldn't a wealthier, more educated minority class only serve to improve America? Don't forget we are ONE NATION UNDER GOD - if he'll still have us.

Posted by: TCB | October 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone is trying to hide it....I don't know John McCain's middle name and he doesn't call himself by that name.
People just use Barack's middle name to stir up religious fear in Americans. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Steve | October 2, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

For all of you who think you should know who should run the world well I am here to tell you, No Money, No Materialistics Things, Your Cars, Your House, Your Boats, etc will get you no where. GOD is in control of it ALL. Why don't you all pick up the good book (THE BIBLE) and read all that the Lord has to say. Better yet look at the Book of Revelation and you'll see he is in the midst of it all and ready to put his wrath on the unjust.

Posted by: 4God/Only | October 2, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a fraud:

I have had a problem with the statements that John McCain refused to repatriate with his military unit and family after his captors wanted to release him. I kept hearing something from my training when I reported to Camp Le jeune, N.C. - it was the Code of Conduct that I was required to recite each day while I was in boot camp. The word “escape” stood out in my mind. I looked up the Code of Conduct. There it was Article III:

Code of Conduct Article III. If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

McCain violated the Code of Conduct while a prisoner at the so-called Hanoi Hilton. I have read that his captors wanted to release him but he refused to leave. That is a violation of Article III of the Fighting Soldier’s Code of Conduct which is also contained in Title 10 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

McCain refused to provide helpful information to families of captured Americans. He refused to rejoin his wife an kids. He refused to provide critical information to military leaders. He refused to rejoin his air combat unit as an experienced pilot. There were many more questions that the military needed to ask in order to attempt a rescue of other prisoners, learn the unit name and other information about his captors, captors’ habits of moving prisoners (he had been moved to a place called “Plantation Gardens” which he never mentions), the valuable information was withheld by McCain that would have notified families that their loved ones were either alive or dead.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 2, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Palin and McSame will go down the tubes after the Palin comedy hour is over tonight.

Posted by: Al | October 2, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

As a transplanted New Yorker who has worked in VA for two years I have come to the conclusion that VA has its own issues. Many stemming back to the civil war. It has some of the most racist people I have ever encountered.... black and white. I supported MCcain in 2000 but he is no longer the same man. Unfortunately it boils down to identity politics here, caricatures created by spin doctoring and private interest.. but I think VA knows that it can do better than irratic ironsides and the pretty prom queen in spite of the fact that the alternative may truly be distasteful to them. In the end they are all politicians. And hopefully Virginians will be able to address each other as people in the next election rather than symbols of some flawed society and start addressing the real issues.

Posted by: The Choice is Clear | October 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

How did the Vietnamese find out that John McCain's dad was a Navy Admiral? He told them and a lot more.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 2, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

And John Mccain's campaign manager has been on the Freddie payroll as a lobbyist, taking $15,000 a month, until two weeks ago. John Mccain himself has lied about the connection.

Frank Raines was never offically on the Obama campaign payroll and is not an advisor. The donations in the name of Fannie/Freddie to the Obama campaign came from the employee PACs, not from lobbyists.

Point is, nobodys hands are clean.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

mccain sold his country out...

he traded his soul for a meal...

no way, no how, no anti-american traitor

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Makaka lost in VA although by a narrow margin in 2006. MakaCain will also lose because of the new VA which is Northern VA and contains a lot of the young and the restless (read cell phone population)who will make the real difference. Even then, Obambi enjoys at least a close 5-point spread nationally.The numbers will be overwhelming if they sample the cell phone population. Mason-Dixon? Get over it! The blue and the grey only exists in narrow and racist Republican minds like Makaka.

Posted by: bgreston | October 2, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

This country should require an empirical exam on both candidates positions on key issues affecting the election prior to someone's vote counting.

For example, the incredible ignorance displayed by Manolete would be irrelevant, since all those sheep convinced by the numerous fallacies in his logic would have their votes washed away by a river of righteousness.

Posted by: P | October 2, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

LOL the only thing funnier then the Obama post was the God post. Keep putting your lives in an invisable man living in the sky and not in the real world.

As far as the media I don't hear them telling how Mccain gave up info while being a POW (is in his book), he gave up his fellow troops and ship. He didn't earn the nickname "Songbird" for a reason..

Didn't hear them talk about him having an affair while his wife was in the hospital. Didn't hear them talk about the priests he sought out who said Katrina and 9/11 were sent from God because of Gay people. Or the fundraiser who said that when a women gets raped she should just lay back and enjoy the ride..

They cover ALL the negative Obama stories but will NOT cover the Mccain negative stories incl. the Keeting 5

Posted by: GodisFake | October 2, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Virgina: Extra, Extra. Read all about it

Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: TruthWalksOn Water | October 2, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

John Hussain McChicken and Sarah Hussein McMoose - not good for America - too much fast food.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

Country first! OBama/Biden 08.

Posted by: Sandra S | October 2, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

'If Hillary was fair, she would have taken her name of the ballot in michigan, LIKE EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE DID, or at least point out the fact that michigan was not a fair election."

Not only that, when the Commitee met she was among the members who voted to exclude them. All the candidates including her agreed to take their names off the ballot. However she changed her mind after she realized she might acctually have to fight for the nomination.

That is a classic case of the Clinton's self-serving actions. She may be the one with the most brains, but she certainly isn't the one with the best ethics. This mess, when you get right down to it, is about ethics.

Posted by: akmzrazor | October 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'd give more credit to a community organizer out of columbia & harvard in the top of his class versus a military pilot who flew by himself in a war with the intention of killing people (who graduated at the bottom of his class).

Posted by: Jerryt | October 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

You people who are insulting a man who spent over 5 years as a captive after defending his country are sad and pathetic traitors to this country. The fact that you would sell out an American war hero just to try and further Obama's career is a telling sign of who Obama supporters really are. People who have no respect for this country. You people sicken me and I hope your children are taken hostage and tortured for 5 years each.

Posted by: Unreal | October 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I am glad that all the Anti-Americans are coming out on this board for Obama. You disgusting pieces of filth are putting down McCain for his service to his country and then sitting here spouting out your hate messages under the very freedom that he sought to preserve. McCain fought and suffered in the name of the US and the American Flag. I am sure that you would be more comfortable burning that Flag. If you hate this country so much, why stay? Why not leave? Personally I think we would be much better off without you.

Posted by: McCain | October 2, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary Clinton was the best and most able candidate of either party and the only one capable of cleaning up this mess."

Do you honestly think the most hated woman in America could bring people together to get things done?

"Plus she got more votes than any other presidential primary candidiate in history."

And W had more general election votes than any other Presidential candidate in history. So what? You hate W, don't you, Hillary supporter? It's over and she lost. Deal with it.

Or, are you just trying to make a point that 18 million lesbians live in America?

I for one never believed Sarah could win over the Hillary crowd, anyway. Sarah is too much of a woman to be a FemiNazi.

Posted by: DaMayor1 | October 2, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Unreal - McCain knew that if he left his prison cell he would have met with a friendly fire incident.

He gave interviews to the French and consulted with the Cubans. He was asked about the effectiveness of the surface-to-air Russian missiles. He provided them with glowing appraisals.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 2, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Since when does a prisoner of war have a say in weather or not he is released? Do you believe for a minute that captors bow to the demands of their prisoners? I certainly don’t. If the North Vietnamese wanted to evict McCain from the ‘Hanoi Hilton’ he’d have been out of there in a 'Ho Chi Minh minute'. I only wonder were this silly myth that McCain had had a say in his captivity got its start.

Posted by: HowardK | October 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Serioualy, have any of you psoting here ever been polled by one of these national polling companies? I travel extensively and talk to people from all walks of life, and honestly, I do not see this "groundswell" of support for Obama that the media and these pollsters assert exists. To be fair, I'm also not seeing much movement in McCain's support, but in a democracy, a competitive slate of candidates cannot be viewed as anything other than positive. Regardless, neither candidate represents the interests and concerns of America's Citizens. I would suggest that a majority of prospective voters wish that we had an alternative to either of these candidates. Voters should focus their efforts on removing incumbents, congressional elites, long-serving congressional pariahs and power brokers come November. By changing the balance of power and tenure in Congress, we the people can take back control of our government, and marginalize the damage that either an Obama or a McCain presidency will cause. Our country is in far to much jeopardy for us to allow our partisan interests to serve as guidance.

Posted by: Edweirdness | October 2, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

@theodosia1:

I'm pretty sure that the Code also makes it clear you do NOT give the enemy support and propoganda either.

McCain is a hero because of his sacrifices in Vietnam. He was also a below average pilot who never would have flown except for daddy and granddaddy Admiral's. That still doesn't discount his courageous behavior in remaining with his comrades under severe duress and torture.

He's a fraud because of his massive right wing conversion since 2000 when he still had the 'honor and character' he claims to have now.

Posted by: PixelPusher220 | October 2, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"I hope your children are taken hostage and tortured for 5 years each."

This is rational political discourse? The tolerance we should expect in a McCain administration? Terrific.

Posted by: Justin Passing | October 2, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"The fact that you would sell out an American war hero just to try and further Obama's career is a telling sign of who Obama supporters really are. "

Being a war hero doesn't qualify one to be President.

Further Obama's career? It was Mccain who admitted in his own biography that he wanted to be President for one reason only - "political ambition".

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, if we question wrong presidential decisions like Iraq and the justice department mess, we democrats are traitors! If we question an ex-POW, we are america haters. I used to like McInane but Bush made this guy cry on national TV in 2004. He has no sense of shame nor integrity with his nose is so brown from being you know where. He has flipped on torture, immigration, has the Keating 5 skeletons, insults the intelligence with a dangerous choice like Palin who is looking for Putin's head over Alaskan and Canadian airspace.

Posted by: bgreston | October 2, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

According to FEC filings, Democratic incumbents and candidates have received the lion's share of the campaign contributions coming from FIRE (Financial, Insurance, and Real Estate) interests on Wall Street. Candidate Obama has received twice as much money from these interests as Candidate McCain. Neither party has clean hands in this debacle, however; one party has gone to extremes to "rush" a solution and prevent much scrutiny, as evidenced from this excerpt from "Investors Business Daily" (hardly a "conservative" source by any measure):

"And what happened to Fannie's and Freddie's top executives, almost all with deep ties to the Democratic Party? Did they get perp-walked to prison like WorldCom's Bernie Ebbers, Tyco's Dennis Koslowski, Adelphia's John Rigas, ImClone's Sam Waksal, or any of the others who did time for corporate misdeeds in the early 2000s?

No. Jim Johnson, former Walter Mondale aide, became head of Barack Obama's vice presidential search committee. Franklin Raines, who headed Fannie from 1998 to 2004, the years of its worst excesses, pocketed nearly $100 million in pay and bonuses from Fannie. He, too, became an adviser to Obama.

Other Fannie-Freddie alumni did equally well. Rep. Rahm Emanuel has been front and center in crafting a new rescue bill. Ex-Clinton Justice official Jamie Gorelick careens from career catastrophe to catastrophe, and still gets top jobs. It pays to have ties.

Meanwhile, as previously documented, Rep. Barney Frank and Sen. Chris Dodd repeatedly thwarted reforms. Yet today they stand front-and-center as Democrats try to ""fix"" a problem they created."

This is an election cycle where "never re-elect anyone" sounds like sage advise!

Posted by: Ed Weirdness | October 2, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Virginia is not for lovers.I have never heard such hate in my life. The slogan should be Virgina is for haters.

Posted by: Carolyn Johnson | October 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"you left out that Obama is the second largest recipient of funding from the now failed Fannie Mae and that Frank Reins"

You left out the word "employees." Obama received money from the employees of these companies, NOT the companies. Please be more specific when trying to lie about Obama's funding.

"His Name is HUSSEIN, why are you trying to hide it?"

No one is trying to hide it. Barack Obama does not go by his middle name, like most other Americans. Stupid people think that names define the person they label, those are the people who bring up his middle name.

"You people who are insulting a man who spent over 5 years as a captive after defending his country are sad and pathetic traitors to this country."

You people who think that being a POW for 5 years is all that is required to be POTUS sicken me. McCain is not intellegent, thoughtful, open-minded, or great at making decisions but you overlook all of that because he has a good story? You are ruining America by voting like a popularity contest rather then an intellectual contest.

"McCain fought and suffered in the name of the US and the American Flag. I am sure that you would be more comfortable burning that Flag."

Are you saying tha GENERAL PATREUS is unAmerican? He said that "flying a plane and getting shot down is not a requirement to be POTUS." I guess you think one of the generals of the American army is unAmerican for making a logical statement like this. Do us all a favor and go die in a car fire.

Posted by: Tim | October 2, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey PixelPusher220 - If you believe that McCain is a hero that's your business. My military assignemnts included Vietnam and the Cuban Missile Crisis.

If John would have left his prison he could have provided the names of service members who were held captive (POW); he would have given the military the names of those killed in captivity (KIC); He could have provided the names of those who died in captivity (DIK). I can go on but I don't think you know what I am talking about.

Ask John why he won't release his Department of Defense POW debriefing.

Hey HowardK - I know you know what you are talking about because the Ho Chi Minh was the route taken to get to Las Vegas and some of the other prison camps.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 2, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain posted: If you hate this country so much, why stay? Why not leave? Personally I think we would be much better off without you.


Definition of a Republican: Someone who loves this country, but hates half of the people in it (with apologies to Jon Stewart).

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN MUST BE DESPERATE TO PICK_UP A DIMWITTED COCTAIL WAITRESS,WHOSE BEST FEATURE IS HER GLASSES.

Posted by: NETHERANDS ANTILLES | October 2, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Ed Weirdness,

You are wrong. Many Democrats and republicans have alot to lose because of the economy. It was the republicans that lobbied to have regulations removed. It was republicans who wanted a "free trade" system. It was George W Bush, a republican, who pushed to have the regulations removed. It was Graham, McCains republican economic advisor, who lobbied for deregulation of the corporate tax system. It was Rick Davis, McCains campaign manager, who still to this day receives lobbying money from Fannie Mae.

Posted by: Tim | October 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Grumpy Old Ironsides is toast.

Those POW fairy tales got stale about 30-years ago.

Posted by: Bob Rhode Island | October 2, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Unreal,

You are probably the same person. You are an idiot. If being a war hero is all that is needed to be president, why have 30 people who haven't been in the military become president?

Again, General Patreus said, "Flying in a plane and getting shot down is not a requirement for president."

It is noble that McCain risked his life for the country, but we can't hand the presidency to him simply because he was a POW. If that was the case, we would have alot more people ahead of him in line because McCain WAS NOT THE ONLY POW EVER.

Obviously you reward courage above intellegence. Maybe if McCain wasn't an idiot in college and highschool, spending his time boozing and tralloping, he might have been intellegent enough to be an engineer or technician or smart enough to not get hit by a grouind to air missle. Anyone who flew in that time knew how to dodge these missles, why didn't McCain?

Posted by: Tim | October 2, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

TIME TO RETIRE WITH WHATEVER IS LEFT OF YOUR DIGNITY AND A GRACEFUL WAR,
MONSIEUR MCCAIN....

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | October 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain is NOT a war hero.

A true hero gives up his life.

Posted by: Pendelton | October 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Barry is ahead with women (according to this article)... and that means they won't change their mind, cause once you go black you never go back.

Posted by: Michelle Obama | October 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Okay! Let's do Barack's name again.

Barack - Hebrew (orgin Africa) - Means blessed. The name Barak or Baruch is mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments.

Hussein - Arabic - Means handsome one.

Obama - African - Means king.

So we have a "blessed handsome king".

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Pendelton, why don't you go ahead and become a hero then and do us all a favor.

Posted by: Pendelton's Mom | October 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I just read the US $ has hiked against Euro and event the BP because this economic crisis is not limited to the US. So do the World blame Bush Administration for this like the Americans do? No! This problem is worldwide and the Republicans did not cause this. It's speculation and greed of people everywhere. Because this is a worldwide issue, how can anyone think Obama can handle this. I don't get it... Think about it people, Obama's shine is all external and superficial.

Posted by: Candace | October 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

IF WE WANT TO WEIGHT BOTH CANDIDATES,LET'S START FROM THEIR EDUCATION....

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | October 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

theodosia1, but we're in America, and here his name means "Crooked Terrorist Politician".

Posted by: Michelle Obama | October 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Candace, let me aks you a question... did you graduate high school?

Posted by: English Teacher | October 2, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Holy Shmokes! I only got through a couple of posts before I realized some chucklehead named Manolete (a few posts from the beginning of this thread) had posted tonights sermon for the Klan rally, to be given to the Klukies in between cross burnings.

Posted by: Angoose | October 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Michelle Obama -

Timothy McVeigh who exploded a bomb in OKC and killed his so-called fellow man; which included babies.

Robert Chambliss, a member of the Ku Klux Klan, placed the bomb under the steps of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. He was arrested and charged with murder and possessing a box of 122 sticks of dynamite without a permit. Soon afterwards, at 10.22 a.m., the bomb exploded killing Denise McNair (11), Addie Mae Collins (14), Carole Robertson (14) and Cynthia Wesley (14). The four girls had been attending Sunday school classes at the church. Twenty-three other people were also hurt by the blast.

William Hugh Morris, former Emperor of the Ku Klux Klan. Morris discussed his cooperation with former Birmingham Commissioner of Public Safety Eugene "Bull" Connor to implicate J.B. Stoner for bombings in Birmingham.

I can go on.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

No, English Teacher, I did not graduate high school but I do have my Upper Levels and a Master's - is that enough for you? Do I qualify to comment since I don't fall in the "dumb enough to vote Obama" category?

Posted by: Candace | October 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Michelle Obama - I meant no disrespect. I thought you were talking about your assessment of Barack after you two left your bedroom.

Michelle I will date you anytime. Can you slip away? You can teach me some of Barack's moves.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Something all of us should know before we vote, please check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAF6vNtEgGA&feature=email

Posted by: chris | October 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Vietnamese Americans love Barack Obama. He will make a great President and will bring unity to all Americans

Posted by: Trung | October 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I just hope we get to see Obama's teleprompter go squirrely. He slings a fine canned speech, but the second his strings are cut he starts sounding like HAL from 2001 when his memory circuits start getting yanked. One can only imagine the horror of him engaging in non-scripted dialogue with foreign leaders. At that point I can only assume that Biden will leap in front of him to take the ideological bullet by cramming both feet into his mouth as usual.

Posted by: Rory | October 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Did Biden get expelled from law school for plagerizing? I know he was caught in 1988 by the Dukasis campaign, but I also heard he did the same thing in law school and was expelled. If that's true, how come the Post and other major sources have kept it far from the public's eye. I rather know the details of those sorts of matters than some of the "dirt" we hear about Palin.

Posted by: Tman | October 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Barack - Hebrew (orgin Africa) - Means blessed. The name Barak or Baruch is mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments."

Nice try.

"Barack" actually means Blessed of Allah. His father was Muslim, remember?

Posted by: Fester | October 2, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Funny part is that this information will never make it to a larger news organization. They only print news favorable to Obama. Check it out, when Obama opened up a 9 point lead on the ABC poll where they asked 670 people, (200 of whom were black and 48% were Democrats while only 38% were Republican)..."

Maybe that's because the Democrats have been gaining so many more registered voters and the Republicans have been losing them in droves. Previous Republicans are now calling themselves, and registering as, Independents, after 8 years of disastrous GOP rule.

Posted by: Polling for Dummies | October 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I stopped caring after Hillary lost the nomination. McCain is only slightly better than Obama. We are in for a world of hurt these next four years.

Posted by: Amaryllis | October 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Jeez...."you all" gone mad.

Posted by: rick | October 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Someone said Mason-Dixon is regarded as "the best" pollster. Well, they are well-respected, but it has been very well documented, actually, that M-D continues to use a very old polling methodology that has not adapted to many of the new realities of polling in this age and for this election, which frequently includes an undersampling of young voters, minorities, and cell-phone-only voters. So, yes, they are an institution, but like John McCain, they are a bit stale on their polling.

That is why pollster.com and all the other major electoral trackers still have Obama leading in Virginia, because he is....

Posted by: Doug in Mount Vernon | October 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Come on Candace, your statement that the whole world is in trouble is because of the AMERICAN economy. Are you at all aware of how the rest of the world reacts economically from how the USA's Wall Street does from day to day? Go back to school and re-read your books. Your remark was plain stupid and English Teacher caught it just as I did. I'm sure others out there with intelligence caught your "gaffe" as well.

Posted by: Linda | October 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

There's a reason Obama was voted the most liberal Senator by an objectibe report. To be honest, I also wouldn't feel to good about having the most conservative Senator as our President, but the press seems to think Obama is not extreme. Wonder why?

Posted by: TKD | October 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

All of these polls have a margin or error of 3-4 points...which means the results could be off by as much as an 8 point spread.

All you can really say is the candidates are close unless one of them is WELL outside the margin or error. That does not seem to be the case in Virginia.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama folks, why don't you give Mac some slack on the POW thing. Have you ever been tortured? As a country, we generally don't hold it against our troops for what they do under the duress of torture.

McCain folks, why don't you quit emphasizing Obama's middle name. You know why you do it -- to try to get people to think he is a Muslim, when you know it is false. It's a calculated ploy, and the BS smoothtalking doesn't fool anyone about your purpose.

Come on, let's be civil. One of these guys will be president; let's not seed hatred.

Posted by: JTS | October 2, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Reading these anti-American comments truly makes me sick. It is easy to pick out the people who don't appreciate America, their words speak volumes and its sad.

Personally, I am not voting for Obama because the media loves him, they turned me off of him, because in a normal situation in a fair public arena, he would not be elected, he needed help. He is the chosen one. People needed to be convinced. And if the media has that much affection for him and they are covering up for him, what will they cover up if he does get elected?
They cannot stand John McCain and Sarah Palin, so they will follow them and watch them, probably even go to the bathroom with them. Thinking logically

Posted by: Debbie | October 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

.does ayone think anymore ?

Posted by: maude arnold | October 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

there seems to always be a reason..entry incorrect etc. when I try to post a comment...fishy me thinks..

Posted by: maude arnold | October 2, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we just take a look at the Senators careers/life the last 15 years with more of an emphasis on the last 5 years:

Obama: Community Organizer and employee of ACORN. Bullied lending institutions and banks to give home loans to low income unqualified people and then threatened and even brought one before the courts, civil law suits accusing banks of red lining or denying homeloans based on RACE!

In bed with Ayers whom not only bomb buildings in the US, but was recently heard saying he did NOT DO ENOUGH!

Do we need to mention his ties with Reszco(sp)?

What about Obama's failed housing projects for the low income in Chicago? How is that showing the US he knows about the economy?

What about the crime in his hometown/state or the unemployment rate? What has he done to help these numbers? The numbers are pretty ugly and you cannot blame the Republicans or Bush for this in a dominated Democratic state....

What about Obama's $800,000 "donation" to ACORN in order to "get out the vote"-remember that this is an "organization" that was fined $25,ooo just last year for voter fraud, has voter fraud charges in criminal suits not only pending in over 12 states, but has SEVERAL employees in federal prison after being convicted of voter fraud! Obama is tied to this and there is no way he can crawl out of it!

Let us now look at his time in the US Senate-He has been a paid Senator for almost what, 3-4 years yet has only worked in the Senate for maybe a year and of that year he either voted 94% of the time to the FAR left, when he voted but the fact is he actually voted PRESENT on most issues....Now, that is someone I want speaking for me......I suppose when there is a war and he is in the UN, he will just vote PRESENT......nice!

Now, what about the alarms McCain sounded in 2005 about Freddie and Frannie and the ECONOMIC Crisis should there NOT be regulations for these two. It is on video tape and it is the facts.

Let us take those facts a little further and note that that he co sponsored A BILL to REGULATE Freddie and Fannie so that the tax payers would not be screwed into footing the bill from the scandoulous Raines and his cooking of the books.

It was the Democrats that shot down the bill-It was the wonderfully spoken Barney Franks (LOL) Reid and Schumer who said that there was nothing wrong with the housing market......CROOKS--Because the whole lot of them gained the most monies from these two crooked housing giants.

Look, I could care less if Barack is black, green, purple, etc. I do not care what the hell his middle name is and I do not care that he has a degree from Harvard because most of us know that being the President is not all about what the hell is in the legal books at Harvard and that being able to read a speech from a teleprompter does not make one qualified for the presidency just like fighting in a war makes one ready either.

The fact is that not only is he inexperienced, but he has been and is still in bed with crooks and it is some of those very crooks that are advising him on his campaign and how to lead America. His ties with Reverend Wright for 20 years is repulsive and if that were McCain attending a church like that but it was reversed for whites, this whole country might have friggin exploded.

That brings me to the following question and I would greatly appreciate and intelligent answer, not some crap that one feels they need to spew which in turn shows their true ignorance:

If I were to say I am voting for McCain because he is white I would be labeled a racist, but when black people say they ae voting for Obama because he is black, well it is not wrong----I want to know why?

BTW......Biden will be there very little for him in those face-to-face meetings he might have with foriegn leaders and it is a crying shame that he did not even know Russia has a friggin VETO in the UN.

I trust that America will look beyond the ideological political correctness that is thrusted upon us and actually vote for the QUALIFIED candidate, not the one who can only speak from a teleprompter.

Posted by: UnPolitically Correct | October 2, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

repubs do yourselves a favor and vote for obama.remember excuses doesn't get votes.

Posted by: frank | October 2, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Virginia is for Obama lovers. -- '08

Posted by: joe | October 2, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Boy Linda and English Teacher, it's amazing how Americans think the world of themselves. The world revolves, but definitely NOT around USA!

Posted by: Candace | October 2, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Yo UnPolitically Correct,

Thanks for the synopsis of Bill-O-the-Clown's routines for this past week.

Why not be honest with yourself and the world and just say you're not voting for him because he's a Democrat. Then we can do away with that awkward "Im not a racist, but..." thing. Bet you voted for Dubya twice. Look how that turned out. Seems like your judgement is suspect based solely on that. If my assumption is wrong, sorry about that. But based on the Faux News drivel in your post I doubt I'm wrong.

Posted by: Angoose | October 2, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I remember the Presidential debate of 2000
when that straight talking candidate George W Bush was told by Al Gore thathis economic plan could not work.Mr Bush responded by saying "I dont know anything about that fuzzy math". My co-workers thought it was funny whenI told them that I thought it would come back to hurt us.We now have a candidate who says the economy is not his strong point. Watch out.I wonder
about people who questions other peoples patriotism. We spend $144 Billion to Iraq every year.They bank their money and laughat us while going to the Bank. If we were to stop paying them that money and divided it by fifty each state would receive $2.8 Billion Dollars. Which candidate wants us to continue giving them that money. I cannot figure out if someone is qualified for the job why would they have to be shielded and protected like no other candidate. The republicans talk about
the Democrats and taxes. Clinton years higher taxes Bush years lower taxes. Which years were better. If it is not broke dont fix it. America this is a crucial time. Mr.
McCain will not get several chances to go back and forth on an issue. We do not have room for error regarding the economy or the military.God help us all if Mrs. Palin ascends to role of president of the USA

Posted by: kb | October 2, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Angoose,

Mighty presumptous of you with the McCain vote. I did not say I supported McCain, I was simply trying to point out the facts, and those are the facts-meaning not a single thing I mentioned above can be disupted but rather proven.

As for the economy, and even the beloved Warren Buffet claimed this and he is advising Obama-the shotty economy is mainly linked to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (key word I said is mainly). Bush had nothing to do with that and in fact, LIKE CLINTON and McCain, he warned congress that there needed to be more regulation on Freddie and Fannie or there would be serious economic problems and the tax payers will foot the bil. Buffet also stated that it was Wall Street greed that also got us here-now, I did see that interview with Buffet I believe on CNN so wrong again on the Fox info-nice try though.

Since Obama's Harvard degree apears to be the Holy Grail right note-please note that 126 economic professors, a good portion of those out of harvard, are saying no to the bail out plan and pointing to the fact that it was the Housing Giants that caused this and of course greed in wall street.

Again, bells were rung to REGULATE those two giants and the Democrats shot it down. It is that simple and there is not twisting of the facts.

As for just saying I am not voting for him because he is a Democrat is not that simple and you know this-those whom do not vote for Obama and are white are automatically labeled racist and please do not tell me you are blind to this.

I am still waiting for an answer to my question though---

BTW, to be honest, I did not vote in 2004 (not that this matters, but to get you off the assumption I voted for Bush).

Posted by: UnPolitically Correct | October 2, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

One more point, and I am not too please with Palin either-

By why on earth are we still comparing her to Obama? She is running for the VP spot and technically has more experience than he does and he is running for the Presidency-this does not bother anyone?

Posted by: UnPolitically Correct | October 2, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Yo UnPolitically Correct agian,

I also wanted to address the most egregious blurb of ignorance within your post, and you wrote:That brings me to the following question and I would greatly appreciate and intelligent answer, not some crap that one feels they need to spew which in turn shows their true ignorance:

"If I were to say I am voting for McCain because he is white I would be labeled a racist, but when black people say they ae voting for Obama because he is black, well it is not wrong----I want to know why?"

The answers are that you are a racist, whether you are willing to admit it or not, and you will never truly understand the black experience in this country. I'm white and I don't fully understand it either, despite having read some of its better voices, Frederick Douglas, W.E.B. DuBois, Toni Morrison, Maya Angelou, Cornel West, to name a few. I know you'll respond that your Irish or German ancestors had it so bad when they got from Ellis Island to the mainland. Were they enslaved for 400 years? Were they lynched in the 1960's. Was your beautiful little girl killed by a bomb at her church?

Its bigots like you that voraciously criticise black culture for having a lack of credible role models (citing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton) but are so quick to make the ridiculous cry of "reverse racism" (which is an absurdity unto itself) when the black community rallies behind a black leader.

Posted by: Angoose | October 2, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Angoose Angoose Angoose,

Because I do not conceed to an ideological belief that America owes certain people in this country something does not make me a bigot, racist or ignorant.

As for your assumption to my race-you are wrong on all fronts. I am in fact 1/2 Cherokee and 1/2 Apache Indian, so if anyone should feel disenfranchised it would be the Native Indians whom were raped of their land and livelihood that both whites and blacks have benefited from.

But I suppose the horrific acts committed against the Indians by both the "white man" and the "black man" are irrelevant in your views.Our people where slaughtered by the thousands and then stuck on reservation that offered no upward mobility or "good" way of life-but we of course dismiss this.

With that being said, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are NOT reputable leaders that the black community should look up to, I think that is what you said but do correct me if I am wrong.

There are plenty of more reputable black leaders in this country that people should look up to who are not either in bed with convicted felons or in bed with soon to be convicted crooks-it is that simple.

Likewise, there are plenty of black leaders in this country who are a lot more qualified to lead this country than Obama-a lot more qualified.

Again, my question was in fact simple and I simply wanted to know the answers to the question:

IF, and I think I said IF, I were to say I am voting for McCain simply because he is white-I would be labeled a racist; but if the black community states they are voting for Obama simply because he is black-it is not racist----why?

It would probably be better for you not to go on the defensive-it looks awfully ulgy on you and "ASS"umption is in fact the mother of all ignorance!

Posted by: UnPolitically Correct | October 2, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse


It is time to remember that McCain is a wildcard, has crashed 3 planes as a pilot, and would do the same with our economy, yet alone with all of our individual freedoms. While not owned by the Saudi's, that only means no one will be in control of him and he needs a really big controller. He is actually a nut-job.

Posted by: Sherry Campbell | October 2, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 2, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Dear UnPolitically Correct,
To answer your question:

IF, and I think I said IF, I were to say I am voting for McCain simply because he is white-I would be labeled a racist; but if the black community states they are voting for Obama simply because he is black-it is not racist----why?

Simple. If your only criteria for choosing your candidate is race...black or white...you ARE A RACIST.

You present your arguments clearly but you left one thing out about McCains advisors, Rick Davis who until very recently was still accepting money from Fannie and Freddie.

And dont forget the aforementioned savings and loans scandal. So McCain isn't excatly a pillar of virtue.

Like I said before...They are all politicians...pick your poison.

Posted by: The Choice is Clear | October 2, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The White House with McCain-Palin on board will be a very different place.

Out goes the Chardonnay and the foi gras, in comes lukewarm domestic beer, Spam appetizers and frozen pizza!

Trash is beautiful and ignorance reigns supreme.

Posted by: Domingo Tavella | October 4, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse


Virginians are not to be fooled, they'll figure it out by election day.

Posted by: T-Prop | October 5, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

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