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Cuccinelli's office confirms Virginia will sue over health care

Rosalind Helderman

A spokesman for Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II (R) said this afternoon that Virginia will file suit against the federal government if the Democratic health care reform bill is approved by the U.S. Congress.

Cuccinelli has long said he was examining the legal issues and suggested he would likely file suit. Brian Gottstein, a spokesman for the office, said this afternoon that a lawsuit is now a definite. Gottstein would provide no details of the legal rationale for such a suit, indicating the process is "still being worked out."

Virginia last week became the first state in the country to pass a state bill declaring it illegal for the government to require individuals to purchase health insurance, a key part of bills under consideration on Capitol Hill.

We are also expecting to receive a letter shortly that Cuccinelli is sending to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) warning her that using the so-called "deem and pass" procedure to pass the Senate health reform bill in the House would open the measure to additional constitutional challenges from the states.

UPDATE: We've received a copy of Cuccinelli's letter to Pelosi. In it, he writes: "Should you employ the deem and pass tactic, you expose any act which may pass to yet another constitutional challenge."

The full letter is included after the jump.

March 17, 2010 The Honorable Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the United States House of Representatives Office of the Speaker H-232, U.S. Capitol Washington, D.C. Dear Speaker Pelosi: I am writing to urge you not to proceed with the Senate Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act under a so-called "deem and pass" rule because such a course of action would raise grave constitutional questions. Based upon media interviews and statements which I have seen, you are considering this approach because it might somehow shield members of Congress from taking a recorded vote on an overwhelmingly unpopular Senate bill. This is an improper purpose under the bicameralism requirements of Article I, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution, one of the purposes of which is to make our representatives fully accountable for their votes. Furthermore, to be validly enacted, the Senate bill would have to be accepted by the House in a form that is word-for-word identical (Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417 (1998)). Should you employ the deem and pass tactic, you expose any act which may pass to yet another constitutional challenge. A bill of this magnitude should not be passed using this maneuver. As the President noted last week, the American people are entitled to an up or down vote. Sincerely, Kenneth T. Cuccinelli, II Attorney General of Virginia

By Rosalind Helderman  |  March 17, 2010; 3:59 PM ET
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If AG Cuccinelli wants to sue the US Government he is within his legal rights as the chief law officer in Virginia. My only concern will be the costs that are involved. Virginia just balanced their budget by cutting services to the poorest and neediest Virginians and cutting funding to public schools. Obviously this AG (and by extension the Governor) feel that spending funds on symbolic gestures is a more worthy use of our tax dollars. By the way with him already planning on suing EPA, are there any other proposed suits in the offing? Aren't Republicans the ones always complaining about Tort Reform and frivilous lawsuits. Guess frivilous is only when the other side files them huh Kenny?

Posted by: army164 | March 17, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Kookie is at it again. After blasting his own profession, he wages war against a bill that has not passed, while keeping his law practice open so that he can continue to reap private "fees" in a public office. He cannot open an orrifice without a stench, either the top or the bottom.

Glad he's in office, now. When he had his campaign headquarters for State Senate, he couldn't understand the "Do not park in the marked spaces" (ie, tenant reserved parking)signs in the parking lot. Why should we expect him to understand the Constitution either?

Dumb, then Dumber. Sad, coming from the state of Washington, Jefferson, and Madison, to the progressive state of Robertson and Kookie

Posted by: RogerRamjet2 | March 17, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

So far, Cuccinelli has been a disgrace to the state. Using the office of the Attorney General as a launch site for lawsuits that promote his wing-nut agenda will only waste Virginia taxpayer funds when we can least afford them.

Posted by: SteveL55 | March 17, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Federal government is never sued enough. Every day I see another reason why their asses should be dragged into court and made to pay.

Posted by: blasmaic | March 17, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Great use of our tax dollars. Close schools but let Kookynutty run amok.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 17, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

oh my. If this ridiculousness succeeds, I'll just send my health care bills directly to Cuccinelli since my type 1 diabetic son will not be freed from the discrimination he faces with a pre-existing autoimmune condition that requires insulin for him to survive.

Posted by: amylorr1 | March 17, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This is clearly an example of a reason to pass the reform bill. Obviously, there are people in state government who need mental health services badly due to paranoid delusions.

Posted by: Freeman72 | March 17, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

The system of State-regulated insurance in this country can be thanked for more than one flaw in today's insurance market(s). The politicized State "micro-laboratories" have failed to produce much of a solution to today's problems.

If Congress may use its interstate commerce authority as a basis for many, many things, including even some desegregation cases, I wonder how the illustrious AG from Virginia will be successful in arguing that that power does not apply to the enormous health care insurance industry.

Posted by: demostheneswashdc | March 17, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

When you look at the appalling, horrible budget cuts (and I think everyone in the General Assembly would agree that is what they are) that have been directly caused by the economic downturn, the fact that our extremely limited tax revenue is being wasted on this kind of "make Ken Cuccinelli a Fox News star" stunt is deeply and profoundly disturbing.

This man is a reckless, irresponsible, ego-driven, unprincipled fool who rode Bob McDonnell's coat tails to a faux victory. He is beneath contempt and will do anything to get a camera to take a look at him. Shame on him and shame on all of us for letting him become our AG.

Posted by: fairfaxvoter | March 17, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

When you look at the appalling, horrible budget cuts (and I think everyone in the General Assembly would agree that is what they are) that have been directly caused by the economic downturn, the fact that our extremely limited tax revenue is being wasted on this kind of "make Ken Cuccinelli a Fox News star" stunt is deeply and profoundly disturbing.

This man is a reckless, irresponsible, ego-driven, unprincipled fool who rode Bob McDonnell's coat tails to a faux victory. He is beneath contempt and will do anything to get a camera to take a look at him. Shame on him and shame on all of us for letting him become our AG.

Posted by: fairfaxvoter | March 17, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Does Governor McDonnell even know what this guy is doing on any given day? Does he agree with Cuccinelli?

Posted by: | March 17, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh my! This guy is a complete nut! Can we Virginians get rid of him? Or are we really stuck for the next 4 years? My family cannot afford or risk to have this guy representing our state!

Posted by: seville2 | March 17, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

he should sue Obama is out of control

Posted by: yoooooooo | March 17, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Cuccinelli!!!!!!

Keep up the good work - you have the support of an overwhelming MAJORITY of AMERICANS!

The tyrannical dictatorship of hussein-pelsoi must be stopped by any means.

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | March 17, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

No matter what you nut cases say in here. Cuccinelli is CORRECT on this. Congress MUST follow the law. And once again they are NOT!

Posted by: biz1231 | March 17, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

making insurance companies accept pre-existing conditions is akin to calling from the scene of your car accident and demanding auto insurance.

Posted by: deweyi | March 17, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Sue their corrupt butts off.

Posted by: rchaa27aa | March 17, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness so government officials are going to take clear stands to try to stop this abuse of the Constitution and of the democratic process that has been at the core of our country's strength since its inception. Contray to some comments, this is an *excellent* use of tax dollars since it will prevent the state, as well as the other 49, from racking up insane debt and chewing through higher and higher taxes at lightening speed. Go Cuccinelli!

Posted by: HWest1 | March 17, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

AG Cuccinelli is a true patriot! Dumbocrats should be ashamed of their attempt to shove socialism down our throats. It's no accident they chose a jacka** for a mascot. I hear donkeys worldwide are upset and threatening to sue the dumbocrats for giving them a bad name.

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I would be glad to contribute to a fund to help fight off the Federal Terrorist who have seized Washington and think they can do whatever they want. I and sure there are a lot of other American Patriots who are willing to contribute or do whatever is necessary to protect the states and people from Washington's power grab.

Posted by: JimmyUSA | March 17, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Comrade fairfaxvoter, isn't it time to go back to France and renew your visa? You want a nanny state? Goto Dulles and buy you a one-way ticket to anywhere outside the U.S., you won't be missed, we promise.

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

surprised half the posters can't think a few years in the future. Do they want President Palin passing bills without a vote. It took Bush 6 years of hard "work" to get this unpopular. The other side did it in just over one.

Posted by: mbc7 | March 17, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Coochinelly- How about going after the all mortgage frauds that put us in this recession. You know, like doing YOUR DAMN JOB. Instead of just grandstanding to prove your the most right wing guy with a law degree.

Posted by: stikyfingas | March 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Virginia may be the first, but it won't be the only state suing the feds over this so called health reform. And with enough FOIAs to detemine all of the bribes and payoffs maybe a few in "congress" should end up in jail forever.

Posted by: gmclain | March 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

As an attorney I fully support what Attorney General Cuccinelli is doing or willing to do. Nothing frivolous to it, despite fools saying otherwise. Thumbs up to you and I know other states are threatening to do the same. This Marxist unAmerican bill must be stopped. Despite the leftist loon comments posted here, most of America is with you Sir.

By the way, I would rather have a civil war than see these radicals in DC succeed in their agenda to dramatically change this country for the worse. I'm fed up with the Left. Time to throw them out of way or the other.

Posted by: greycoat | March 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Idaho appears to be doing the same if this hideous health care reform gets rammed down our throats. Kudos to all that follow suit. My biggest complaint, other than the cost to the middle class - is that our beloved members of congress are exempt from having to follow the rules they are wanting us, joe taxpayer, to follow. Why do you think that is? Because they are a bunch of elitist liberal pigs!

Posted by: WiseAZ | March 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Best AG in the country!

Every Congress man, every judge, every person who took and oath or affirmed to uphold the U.S. Constitution and didn't, will be shown to be a traitor to the United States and our U.S. Constitution.

That includes George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and my own Republican Congress men and all our State governors.

Because Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, They all know it is unlawful and all of them have helped it to happen including the so called news media. Therefore nothing citizen obama does sitting as an unlawful POTUS is legal.

Posted by: texdix | March 17, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

just look at these blogs...its ok
for the government to now force the
citizens to purchase insurance, and its now ok for congress to pass laws
without voting, even when such bills
are opposed by majority of taxpayers
this country certainly does seem
doomed...more power to you Mr
Cuccinelli...America needs more

Posted by: everready | March 17, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Good for him! And good for Virginia for passing a law that their citizens can't be forced to join the healthcare mess. Hopefully that will stop the bill as everyone needs to pay up to pay for this bill. In fact, we need to pay up for four years before it even takes effect. Anyone see any problem with that? This thuggery has to stop.

Posted by: ExoticTraveler | March 17, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

So... you on the left think we are "nut cases"? We think you are blind bats. It's apparent that you can't see the forest for the trees. What this so called "health reform" is going to get you is a temporary plug in a leaking tire that has dry rotted and has no tread left. If you think for one moment that you will not bear the cost of this then you deserve what you get. Yes! We all agree that health care needs reform. This is not it! This is more of the same that got us where we are today. Welcome to the socialist/progressive utopia. Hope you like living in a third world country.

Posted by: Duuuuh | March 17, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Move to Mexico. I would rather walk down the streets of Juarez with a target on my back than trust the US Congress.

Posted by: benitojuarez | March 17, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

The purchasing requirement portion of the bill was always going to face a constitutional challenge. I am personally appalled that the government thinks they can tell me I must buy a product from a private entity. Is that freedom? No, that's a lack of freedom.

Posted by: cfmunster | March 17, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

All you who oppose the state suing the federal government need to be taught that there is a constitution. You look only at how it affects you personally and have no regard for the law. Those who don't give a flip as long as it helps their personal cause are not intelligent enough to understand that our constitution is the supreme law and we have a duty to defend it from the likes of Pelosi, Reid and Obama, who don't see it that way. You are uneducated peons and will not benefit from their actions unless somehow you are of the priveledged insider class which I strongly doubt.

Posted by: clarify | March 17, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Idaho first to sign law to sue fed gov't over healthcare; 37 other states consider... Source:

You're not alone Sir. I applaud you AG Cuccinelli

We will stop this move towards tyranny one way or another. The day may come where we lock and load.

Posted by: greycoat | March 17, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Less name-calling than usual from the Leftwingtards, but that's only because most of them responding to this story are NEA stooges ~

The truth is Virginia only rolled back state expenditures to what they were in 2006. That manages to BALANCE THE BUDGET and ensure that poorest, neediest and weakest part of our population are well-served (given the conditions).

The NEA stooges will not be getting a raise this year. I know hundreds of college graduates with REAL degrees who are unemployed.

Next year if things don't improve we should put teaching jobs up for bid!

Posted by: muawiyah | March 17, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Ted Kennedy could not be reached for comment! HAHA!!! LMAO!!!

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

sue, everyone should sue this corrupt federal government and do EVERYTHING within your reach to stop the liberals

Posted by: rcbeng | March 17, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"The purchasing requirement portion of the bill was always going to face a constitutional challenge. I am personally appalled that the government thinks they can tell me I must buy a product from a private entity. Is that freedom? No, that's a lack of freedom:

Virginia law requires you to buy auto insurance from a private entity, No?

Posted by: stikyfingas | March 17, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

The House proposed self-executing rule for this matter has been used before by both parties, so this latest frothing at the mouth is just mass insanity sparked by self-aggrandizing panderers.

The many histrionic contributors to this comment string only cheapen any substantive differences about a legitimate problem. By throwing around words like "socialism" and "tyranny" rather than engaging in an actual debate on the merits, all they demonstrate is their very poor education.

Rational Republican, an endangered species, long for the days of actual legislators who can govern without pandering to the ignorant masses. Senator Robert Dole and those like him are sorely missing from today's political realm.

Posted by: demostheneswashdc | March 17, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Virginia clearly is ahead of the curve on this issue of fundamental American freedom. I'm happy to live here.

Posted by: ivan9856 | March 17, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The process has only been used by BOTH parties to amend a bill, NOT pass a bill. It's amazing how many liberal idiots forget to mention that fact.

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to the vaunted "right to privacy"? If the government isn't supposed to get between women and their doctors when it comes to ending a pregnancy, won't the government automatically be in on medical decisions when it is dictating what is and isn't covered?

Posted by: dufus732000 | March 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I think it's pretty clear how the different sides are lining up on this post. We have some people worrying that this lawsuit could cut into their "piece of the action" from government house, but they are not the least concerned about bankrupting our entire country with this health care bill disaster, not to mention the Congress being able to do what they want, regardless of the Constitution, versus those that are very concerned what is going on with the apparent erosion in individual and states rights, not to mention the Constitution.

Posted by: dschwarpa | March 17, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

"Aren't Republicans the ones always complaining about Tort Reform and frivilous lawsuits."

You're kidding me right? Take a look at the 10th amendment. Does the meaning of that look frivilous to you? Who do think has to enforce the State's rights under that clause? Obama?
Obama's regime is on the other side of the arguement you moron. He is breaking a contract with the states. The states have to litigate or die. If the states do not litigate this, then they can tear up the Bill of Rights, it's over.

Posted by: clark10 | March 17, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

GP2010 - so sorry to debunk your fantasy, but I am not a "liberal idiot" any more than Congressman Cantor who agreed that this is an existing mechanism on national television this morning. For another "liberal idiot" to burst your bubble, check out Norman Ornstein's blog entitled "Hypocrisy: A Parliamentary Procedure" on the American Enterprise Institute's site - be sure to check out how it was used under Republican rule to avoid an undesirable vote on immigration in a budget deficit reduction bill.

We, rational Republicans, believe that we can win legitimate debates and prove that we are capable of governing with the truth and without handing out pitchforks to the mob in search of a witch.

Posted by: demostheneswashdc | March 17, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Thank you AG Cuccinelli and Gov. McDonnell. You are living up to your promise. For too long the Federal Govt. has been ignoring the Constitution. It is about time that the States started pushing back. How appropriate that Virginia lead the way. Keep up the good fight, the majority of Virginian's and the country support you. VirginiaFirst.

Posted by: MBW_Williamsburg | March 17, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

God Bless these courageous men of Virginia. Add their names to the long list of Virginians fighting for liberty against tyranny. Don't tread on me.

Posted by: DaMan2 | March 17, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Thank God we have sanity in Richmond from our overwhelmingly elected Governor McDonnell and State AG Cuccinelli. Clearly, most Virginians, the ones that actually work outside of a government job or a government assistance check, will applaud these actions overwhelmingly. It'll be good to finally give some pushback to the societal parasites and thugs that have taken hold of the Democratic Fascist Party.

Posted by: pijacobsen | March 17, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh my! This guy is a complete nut! Can we Virginians get rid of him? Or are we really stuck for the next 4 years? My family cannot afford or risk to have this guy representing our state!

Posted by: seville2 | March 17, 2010 6:31 PM

This is funny. I say the EXACT same thing when I speak of Obama. Thank God, I have alredy endured on of my 4 years. Seville2, it looks like we'll all be broke together...and pointing in opposite directions to place the blame. lol...the joke is on the American people.

Posted by: mrgrogroisme | March 17, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

demostheneswashdc ~ you should really do your homework. First you're correct in the use of the word budget - ooops! Again, the self-executing rule was never used to PASS a bill without a vote. Learn your history :liberal idiot". Amending does not pass a bill...DOH! Try Article I, Section 7...then Section 5 when you are done. Can you say "Constitution"? I think noth! Silly Liberal Idiot! ;)

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

As a gay American living in Albany NY I would say that in my experience the dangerous bigots always tend to exist on the left of the political spectrum. Let's not give these people power; let's get them the professional help that all sexually inhibited androgenous hetero-intellectuals need before we repeat the mistakes that led to the totalitarian movements of the 20th century.

Posted by: 257bighead | March 17, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I think the NoVa libs should just move back to DC. Obviously, Virginia is not the place for them.

Posted by: liinda | March 17, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

257bighead ~ that would explain Nancy Pelosi

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

As a VA resident and native, I do not agree with the money and effort put into this lawsuit and demand that my money spent supporting this lawsuit be spent on someone who cannot afford a surgery or is dying of cancer. Some of you people are so selfish it is unbelievable. I hope you lose your jobs with a "pre-existing" heart condition.

Posted by: VANative2 | March 17, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Liinda - the problem with your suggestion (the libs moving back to DC) is that VA would be a poor white trash state much like the other southern redneck conservative bible toting states. Let's be honest, Northern VA supports the state in tax dollars and population. That's why areas like Lynchburg, VA get newly developed infrastructure. So, while I would love to stop supporting you white trash morons, unfortunately I like my LARGE liberal area in Northern VA. I do propose however we seperate northern VA from the rest of the state and we watch your morons fail in the south. Good luck without liberal norther VA.

Posted by: VANative2 | March 17, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Hahahaha. A waste of taxpayer dollars? This bill gives the government the ability to tax anything deemed "unhealthy" to pay for healthcare. How broad is that language? Many products can be stretched to be deemed "unhealthy" in some way or another. So what will happen is that we will have the courts flooded with cases on implementing taxes on various items due to businesses challenging the inevitable. Not only that, but those taxes will lower employment. I am 23 and am about to graduatate and I DON'T WANT IT EVEN MORE TOUGH TO FIND A JOB. This "unhealthy" language is much much more worrying to me than the "taxing of the fortunate." We will see prices rise all over the place.

There are so many other things that I find wrong with this bill, but this takes the cake for me.

Posted by: ecs33 | March 17, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't have healthcare but I choose NOT TO PAY FOR IT. If I die or get hurt, I understand the consequences. I would be a mess, but I still would retain some form of self responsibility.

Posted by: ecs33 | March 17, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely the correct answer to this problem. Congress needs to be reminded that there is a Constitution that defines what their powers are, which they seem to regularly choose to forget.

Posted by: netPirate | March 17, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a good reason to make Virginia my home to me.

Posted by: websterr1 | March 17, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cuccinelli, you are an idiot and the people who vetoed you into office should have there voting rights suspended. You of all people have filed a law suit to protect the people rights, oh please – give me a break! The very first thing you did when you took your oath of office was sign a letter taking away the civil rights gays. You told corporations and schools that it was ok to discriminate against gays on the basics of sex orientation. You’re either not familiar with Virginia laws or don’t care.

Mr. Cuccinelli, are you placing more worth on material wealth than on human life? The state of Virginia requires drivers to have auto insurance on there cars yet you don’t want people to be allowed to buy affordable health insurance? What’s wrong, are you afraid that the Medicare and Medicaid payments are going to decrease?

But I should not have expected any better from you, especially when McDonnell was against the President’s education plan before he was for it. Now he has his hand out asking for the education funds for the charter schools.

And oh, before I forget what about the road construction money-you know the TARP funds?

Posted by: sun52shine | March 17, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Go dog go! Sue em! All the states need to file suits soon as possible! Go Virgina! Go Idaho! Go the other 33 preparing!!! Go Mark Levin and company!! Sue this sons of traitors!

All (healthcare bill as written) clearly a violation of our constitution!!!

Posted by: GregBoo | March 17, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for Pelosi and Reid the ACTUARIAL GENIUSES to take on the corrupt auto insurance companies! I have a car with a preexisting condition (I totaled it during a 2009 Inauguration Boone's Farm guzzling spree) and State Farm keeps rejecting my requests for coverage. AUTO INSURANCE REFORM NOW!!!

Now let's also talk about my Constitutional right to have nutritious organic groceries at taxpayer expense. To me, having a healthy pesticide-free dinner every evening is just as important if not MORE so than health insurance coverage (which I'm already owed.) Unfortunately with my unpredictable career as a sperm donor / performance artist / spiritual healer, I don't have a steady income to get me the fridge full of organic fruits and vegetables to which I'm entitled as an inhabitant of planet earth. Barack when are you getting to work on raising taxes (of those who still actually pay federal income taxes) to fill my belly adequately?

Posted by: beefstu2 | March 17, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I love liberal thinking. They blast the states AG saying "he doesn't understand the constitution" when this liberal congress has said they plan on destroying the constitution by saying they will vote on a bill they never voted on. Then they say "well the republicans did it" LMFAO like that is a legal argument. I want to be there when they put on this show. Telling a judge "we did it because they did it" the thing is if the repubs did it it was still unconstitutional. Liberals need to stop acting like 5yr olds when they don't get what they want.

Posted by: GerryVa | March 17, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

VANative2 ~ you lost the election...get over it "minority liberal idiot". Perhaps you should move to DC so you can marry former Congressman Massa.

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

It's sad that so many Northern Virginia liberals disagree with the overwhelmingly (thanks Obama!) elected Governor McDonnell and Attorney General Cuccinelli. Perhaps you liberals should move north into your liberal paradises of the District of Columbia and the People's Republic of Maryland. We will be sad to see you go, you can take your government paychecks and/or government assistance checks with you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Posted by: pijacobsen | March 17, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

You clowns who are for this bill crack me up! You have no idea what's in this bill you just want it passed. The RIGHT wants health care reform also, we just don't want some loaded down piece of garbage that serves almost no one except Obama so he can claim he did something! So let's start with allowing companies to compete across state lines and you will see the prices drop fast. Also you will see companies open up to pre-existing conditions to stay competitive! Plus let's have tort reform and that will drop costs. That's enough for right now. Geezzzz wake up! Show passion about getting Obama to create jobs that offer health care! DUH!

Posted by: bj_z | March 17, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

If Cuccinelli is so concerned about the rights of his constituents, why does he make himself useful and sue the government over the unconstitutional Patriot Act?

Posted by: AD11 | March 17, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

beefstu2 said:

"I can't wait for Pelosi and Reid the ACTUARIAL GENIUSES to take on the corrupt auto insurance companies! I have a car with a preexisting condition (I totaled it during a 2009 Inauguration Boone's Farm guzzling spree) and State Farm keeps rejecting my requests for coverage. AUTO INSURANCE REFORM NOW!!!"



Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

GP2010 wrote: "Again, the self-executing rule was never used to PASS a bill without a vote. Learn your history :liberal idiot"


I refer you to the memorandum released by the House Republican Rules Committee Staff and available online.

The memo reads in pertinent part: "With respect to the Deficit Reduction Act, that rule was used to approve the final version of the bill, after the House had already adopted the conference report that was subject to modification under the Byrd Rule and subsequently returned to the House."

Looks like a BILL was passed in final form based on the Republican Rules Committee. Do you have better information to correct them?

Your error is beside the point. Such procedural arguments are in almost all cases non-partisan in that the self-righteous, hypocritical minority at the time will use them to stoke the fire of those who will take to the barricades as political cannon fodder without any clear understanding of the issues.

Posted by: demostheneswashdc | March 17, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cooch - Get someone to read a history book to you and you'll find that a lot of this was settled in, oh, 1865. A total waste of time, money, and the flagging attention spans of your faithful.

Posted by: jimD118 | March 17, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Eventually, this bill will be used to tax things that are considered "psychologically unhealthy," or "culturally unhealthy." I can guarantee you, the Dems will not mind losing numbers to pass this bill. This is their outlet to basically engineering how Americans live their lives. It will be gleeful ignorance.

By taxing different businesses, they can artificially influence the prices of various items to steer the American to particular products (with the help of clever advertising - which could be easily developed considering the amount of money the government will make on this). They can almost engineer, or atleast influence, what they believe is the American identity. I'm not saying the Dems will do this, but this bill gives that tool to any potential usurper.

They will have the capital to create jobs (in inefficient manner due to monopolization of various industries), which they could use as the "evidence" that the people are really living a better life this way, when the people cannot gauge just how good or high paying (taking inflation into account) their jobs would be in the private system. The "job providers" would have the additional outlet through which they can influence how the masses think, but keep them happy nonetheless.

It's just weird to me. I'm sure people in this future, if it happens, would probably get used to it and be happy. But is that really freedom?

People are going to think i'm crazy for considering this possibility, but this can be used as a tool to accomplish this.

Posted by: ecs33 | March 17, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

It would also create a distinct line between citizen and political elite. The political elite would be become a legitimate social class once again. I'm sure politicians do not mind the idea of power.

Posted by: ecs33 | March 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The Virginia Attorney General is (once again) out of his swim lane. His stance on universities providing protections to gays and lesbians was wrong, and here he is again. Right wing nut job. I wish the people of Virginia had thought a bit more before they elected this idiot.

Posted by: karlanne1 | March 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I think that he was wrong on gay rights laws. I am very libertarian at heart. But what is happening at the federal level is something that can potentially impact everyone's lives in a negative way.

Posted by: ecs33 | March 17, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

If Cuccinelli is so concerned about the rights of his constituents, why does he make himself useful and sue the government over the unconstitutional Patriot Act?

Posted by: AD11 | March 17, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Blocking this federal takeover of health care is the smartest thing I've seen coming from a group of politicians in a long, long time. My home state of Virginia has made me very proud! If Florida refuses to block this terrible bill I'll be moving back home to Virginia very soon. FLIP the Congress this fall by throwing all the bums out!

Posted by: stephen21 | March 17, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

demostheneswashdc ~ you are correct in pointing out the use of the rules of reconciliation for budget matters. Those rules are no secret.

The bill in question is NOT a budget bill/matter. BTW Byrd is a Senator and has no say so in the House. The Byrd rule applies only to the Senate.

Now ask yourself this question...the Senate version creates new taxes...

In what chamber do new taxes originate according to the Constitution? Uh..the Senate? Wow...even the "deem" thing would never pass Constitutional muster since the new taxes did not originate in the House...DOH! Sorry Homer!

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

AD11 ~ do your parents, Osama and your many mothers know you are playing with their computer again?

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Sadly many here aren't familiar with the Constitution and are resorting to name calling. There is no way in hell that this Healthcare boondoggle is Constitutional - from unequal state protections with the bribes for votes with special incentives for states over others to the process of ignoring fundamental procedures for passing legislation, those who support this bill are really enemies of the Constitution and the process. It would be one thing if these people were intelligent and honest enough to amend the Constitution to compell citizens to buy Health insurance, but these people subvert the Constitution through their actions.

Just remember - those who seek to employ these tactics now should understand that their political enemies have precedent to employ the same tactics to remove the legislation and other socialistic procedures. So unbalanced, arrogant, misguided and treacherous are the supporters of Socialized Healthcare now that they don't care what they destroy to win the boobie prize of Socialized Medicine.

Our founding fathers must be rolling in their graves with the repugnant, abhorrent, and downright treasonistic behavior of the Democrats in their contempt for process and procedure and fundamental knowledge of the Constitution.

Posted by: laserwizard | March 17, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey Texdix: go to the back of the class and re-read your 14th amendment [or The Red Amendment by LB Bork]. You vote, you participate in the de facto body politic, you have a SSN, you are a 'citizen' by consent, so you are in rebellion against the framer's Constitution as much as any congressman and therefore are also a traitor. Registered voters are part of the problem, not the solution. Consider correcting your status to that of State National AS WERE OUR FRAMERS. They weren't US citizens like you. I don't make this stuff up ... I'm just reporting it. All the best insurgent,


Posted by: VAsolvo | March 17, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

GP2010 - It was you who stated that this approach "was never used to PASS a bill without a vote" only to be proven wrong immediately by the Republican Rules Committee all the while throwing out epithets and insults. You make me miss rational Republicans more and more by the minute. Where has my party gone? To the rabid dogs, perhaps?

Posted by: demostheneswashdc | March 17, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey liberals, where does the Constitution allow for this bill to be forced upon the people? Please quote the article, section, and line number. If you can't do that, then you acknowledge that the Congress is overstepping its powers per the 10th Amendment and that this proposal is illegal. Bravo, Mr. AG!

I seem to remember that, historically, when some Americans are forced to serve the will of other Americans against their will, we called it slavery. What do you call government coercion that forces some Americans to pay for health care for others?

Posted by: Crispus_Attucks1 | March 17, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

demostheneswashdc ~ you have no proof because it never happened. Amending a bill does not make it pass. Again, reconciliation deals with budget matters. Why the farce?

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Green and liberal Democrat so the health care reform bill must become law. Cuccinelli is the worst state attorney general because he will sue the federal government if Congress rightfully passes the health care reform bill. The Virginia legislature is a bad one for passing a bill which says that people can't be required to get health care coverage. I'm glad I voted for Steve Shannon and not the man of intolerance and nonsense, Cuccinelli.

Posted by: LibertyForAll | March 17, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

GP2010 - I am simply citing the history of this mechanism as distributed by the House Rules Committee Republican Staff (it is available online in The Hill's Blog Briefing Room. Given your obviously mediocre understanding of prior postings, please review the follow QUOTED passage from that Republican memo:

"Of the 18 times cited by the Majority since the 101st Congress where the Rules Committee has reported a rule “deeming” legislation passed, only four times has this procedure been used to pass a bill and send it to the President:

* H.J. Res. 45 (raising the debt limit) in the 111th Congress;
* S. 1932 (concurring in the Senate amendments to the Deficit Reduction Act) in the 109th Congress;
* S. 4 (the Line Item Veto Act) in the 104th Congress; and,
* H.R. 1 (the Family Medical Leave Act) in the 102nd Congress."

They are the ones who used the phrase "pass a bill and send it to the President."

I wish my Grand Old Party had more grandeur than what I see in evidence today.

Posted by: demostheneswashdc | March 17, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION Crispus_Attucks1:

the proof you seek is in section 1 of the 14th Amendment: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF, ...".

Notice that the 14th also contains the enforcement clause in section 5: "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

vos es iam conscius, insurgent

Posted by: VAsolvo | March 17, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

demostheneswashdc ~

* H.J. Res. 45 (raising the debt limit) in the 111th Congress;


* S. 1932 (concurring in the Senate amendments to the Deficit Reduction Act) in the 109th Congress;


* S. 4 (the Line Item Veto Act) in the 104th Congress; and,


* H.R. 1 (the Family Medical Leave Act) in the 102nd Congress."



Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow. The nuts are out in force on this message board. The Republic is dead. This is no longer the country our founding fathers began, and it is the citizenship who have destroyed it. Now it's all about free handouts and what can the country do for me. It's not about giving or charity, but about how much we can take from others and how much of OTHER people's money we can give. Here's a clue: when you give someone ELSE's money, you're not being charitable; you're stealing. As far as those complaining about the costs for a lawsuit, given the costs and national economic collapse should the healthcare bill pass, Cuccinelli should spend loads of money to fight this. High spending in one state sure beats the collapse of the entire national economy. But that's just me.

Posted by: none11 | March 17, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I would say the ignorance of the liberal comments on this page are shocking but they're not even surprising. I don't know where you liberals think all the money comes from to pay for these government programs - clue: You cannot just print it like they're doing now. It's called unpayable debt and it's a disastrous, ticking time bomb... Furthermore, "deeming" a bill to have passed is not democracy which you say you believe in... It's the unabashed beginning of tyranny.

Posted by: Supra1 | March 17, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Love it! This makes me proud to be a Virginian. You know, when the economy is in the crapper you have to make tough choices on how to balance the budget which is exactly what he has done...something liberals have never understood.

F that ghoul Pelosi!

Posted by: Berghead | March 17, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"The Patriot"
"Why would I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away?"

Democratic leadership every day validates the truth that a gang of politicians can be as tyrannical as any king.

Posted by: Supra1 | March 17, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Not surprising that the drooling, slackjawed, inbred, moronic residents of the welfare state of RoVA are expressing their slavering support for Ken Kookynutty, who is their last defense against having to enter the 20th century (never mind the 21st).

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 17, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Should have known you posters aren't learned in law. Oh well. I have tried, [citizens],

Posted by: VAsolvo | March 17, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

GP2010 - So, your earlier statements were incorrect and you are now making additional arguments in the alternative on grounds that are completely different from the matter at hand. The Court did find the Line Item Veto to be unconstitutional, but not for any reason related to the self-executing rule used to pass it into law (it was because it allowed the President to repeal acts of Congress). The FMLA was unconstitutional according to you, but no one in this entire country found a court to agree with them. Just to be clear - is your FMLA position based upon the self-executing rule used for passage or another basis?

My point in these posts is to attempt to get those speaking for my party to do with a bit more intellectual honesty. Yes, I have been a Republican my entire adult life, worked for the 104th Congress Majority, attended and donated at fundraisers, etc.

We have always had over-the-topic politics from time to time. But we used to have people on the Hill who could actually focus on the substance of problems with a bit more truth and commitment to something other than scaring people into voting them into office on the basis of histrionics.

I would welcome your support for Republican positions if you could do so armed with legitimate facts and without the "misstatements" and insults. Otherwise, you are just another one of those people that the party leaders have to disavow when it becomes overwhelmingly embarrassing.

Posted by: demostheneswashdc | March 17, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

God Bless Cuccinelli.... I love our AG...

Posted by: AlbyVA | March 17, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm proud our AG has the stones to be first to declare our rebellion against this Congress. He's right as rain, not "out of control." It's the Congress that's out of control. He cites chapter and verse, both from the Constitution and prior case law, to bolster his argument. Pelosi is the rogue here, not Ken C. If she tries to use "deem and pass", she should be impeached immediately. And if Obama signs any trillion dollar spending bill that arrived at his desk through "deem and pass, he should be impeached, as well. They are NOT following the Constitution in any way, shape or form, and that's what he pledged to do. If the Congress is going to get this crazy, I think the time has arrived for the second time in our history to consider the "S" word--secession. We cannot LIVE like this; the republic cannot exist as one giant welfare state. If the free market is not permitted to work, we have lost our bearings. Government cannot direct a free market; only millions of individuals can. We'd better return to our original design, or we will never see it again. This is finally enough.

Posted by: jwebb41 | March 17, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Kooch will be impeached before he even gets a shot at this. He's gone rogue...even McDonnell is running for cover.

What an idiot.

Posted by: SWB2 | March 17, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Posted by: EowynR | March 17, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Typical liberal comments - Never any substance and all name calling. The "oligarchs of superior intellect." You are right in your thinking about one thing: The US constitution was considered radical rogue, and nutty just like Mr. C. in VA. You libs are just living in the 17th century... Or maybe the 19th century - "Copperheads" anyone?

Posted by: Supra1 | March 17, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see that Cuccinelli is standing up to the out of control Obama and his fellow travelers who are slowly turning our nation into a banana republic. Shame on them.

Posted by: screwjob | March 17, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

amylorr1 said:

"oh my. If this ridiculousness succeeds, I'll just send my health care bills directly to Cuccinelli since my type 1 diabetic son will not be freed from the discrimination he faces with a pre-existing autoimmune condition that requires insulin for him to survive."

Ben Franklin said that those that would choose safety over liberty deserve neither safety nor liberty. amylorr1 deserves neither.

I understand her problem, but pre existing conditions are like getting into a car wreck and then wanting car insurance. I don't know what the solution is, but I prefer liberty over the safety that amylorr1 seeks. If the child dies then view him as a casualty in the eternal stuggle of liberty.

For those that say health care is right, I say you don't value health care. Your really saying either that doctors, nurses, etc. don't deserve to be paid what the market determines, or your saying that you have a right to my hard earned money. I say you can't make the health providers slaves, and you sure better keep you hand out of my pocket.

Posted by: Slavetotruth | March 17, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

My local school district just got $30 million cut from the budget and this idjit wants to sue the federal gov't? With WHAT money???

Posted by: GenuineRisk | March 17, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Good for you, Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli; it is about time someone stands up for constitutional govt.

Those that are concerned about our freedoms are 100% behind you!!

Posted by: MarieArnold | March 17, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

demostheneswashdc ~ WTF are you talking about? A) I never claimed to be a republican as you insist. B) You have no clue what you are talking about. C) You are a liberal in sheep's expose yourself with your BS.

The "self-executing rule" is desperation, which defines Obambi to a tee. Too bad you support crapping on the Constitution. Were you related to Benedict Arnold?

Posted by: gp2010 | March 17, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Free universal education is not a constitutional right. I don't remember conservatives being up in arms about GW Bush and No Child Left Behind federal mandates.

Oh yes but healthcare is unconstitutional?
Oh wait, Article I, Section 8
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare"

Provide general welfare... hmmm

welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being.

Oh Snap!

Posted by: stikyfingas | March 17, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

stikyfingas said"

"Provide general welfare... hmmm

welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being.

Oh Snap!"

So stikyfingas in your view, the Consitution was not a document limiting Federal powers and reserving most governmental authority to the states and/or the people.

In the words of the immortal Bugs Bunny, what a maroon (thats moron to you). Another whiny liberal that doesn't respect our Constitution and instead thinks it is a Marxist document. Stay out of my life and my wallet.

Posted by: Slavetotruth | March 17, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"Guess frivilous is only when the other side files them huh Kenny?"

No. Frivilous is believing that you can add 30 million new patient consumers to an already too expensive system, and somehow save money. Not to mention that a portion of that population includes those the insurnace companies will not insure because their pre-exisiting conditions make it already known that they will consume many times more than they will ever contribute.

Frivilous is selling the idea that somehow, with the limited resources and overburdened medical staff that we currently have, that we will continue to get the same or better care throughout the system. Niave is to take a non-providers word that less pay will equate to more or better care. Stupid is to believe that providers, nurses, and clinical staff will make themselves available to support our care for little pay, long hours, and no relief.

Frivilous is to assume a right in health care. You cannot have a right which places demands upon others labors, property, or freedoms. Such declaration will impose a demand upon the care staff that will violate their rights to freedom and liberty. We have had this condition before in America; it was called slavery.

Frivilous is to properly identify the cause of the problem of rising health care costs, the kabal of demand between the patient/provider/insurance company/investor; yet the 2500 page bill that you introduce not only doesn't address the problems identified, but it then adds trillions more to the national debt in unrelated projects and ideas that will do no good for any cause. Unless you think bankrupting the counrty is a "good".

Frivilous is maintaining payroll and offices for 535 individuals who were elected under the concepts written in the Constitution, and to continue to support them when they openly violate those principles in order to avoid having the vote for such a horrendous pile of garbage pinned back on them when it comes time for "We The People" to decide if we should continue with their services.

I would be honored if Mr Cuccinelli woukd bring suit on behalf of my fellow Virginians. It is about time that someone in elected office did something right.

As many times before in the great history of this Nation, we Virginians will lead the way!

Posted by: waterloom | March 17, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"My local school district just got $30 million cut from the budget and this idjit wants to sue the federal gov't? With WHAT money???"

I'd rather Virginia spend the money on a lawsuit protecting our precious freedoms, than on your resposibility to properly educate your children. The child was your choice (or so I've heard you liberals say so many times), and your responsibility. Protection of our rights is the duty of all of our citizens.

Education will do no one any good if we are subjects under another dictators rule.

Posted by: waterloom | March 17, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

The AG in my state is a close friend. Though much more diplomatic than I am, he's going to do the same thing Virginia, Idaho and other states are going to do - join the fight against the socialist scum d/b/a Democrats infecting America.

Government run by Democrats is nothing but organized crime. Democrat voters vote for Democrat politicians to be their proxy armed robbers to "legally" steal for them what they don't already illegally steal for themselves. When Democrats call something a right, what they mean is that they are going to misuse government to deny your right, e.g., they are going to use government to steal your private property to give themselves what they think they are entitled to at your expense. If you have to steal private property (e.g. income) belonging to others to get what you want (including having government do it for you) then what you want is not your right, it's your self-serving, greedy, covetous desire. One medical procedure I will pay for is abortion of all Democrats.

Socialists d/b/a Democrats survive only in dictatorships and weak democracies where anyone can vote no matter how traitorous, criminal, dishonest, unvested, unintelligent, ignorant and/or insane. In a strong democracy where only responsible people who fund government can vote Democrats' could not survive on a platform of representation without taxation (i.e. forced wealth redistribution) to lazy Democrat voters and invading foreigners for their current and future votes. Weak democracy allows Democrats to promote irresponsibility by catering to irresponsible people.

Democrats can't find a right to life, but can find a right to armed robbery (forced wealth redistribution) to benefit Democrats. Democrats can't find Americans' expressly guaranteed individual right to keep and bear arms, but can find an unwritten entitlement to Americans' constitutional rights for fellow anti-American foreign terrorists. Democrats are traitors who should be hunted, not elected.

Posted by: SharpShtik | March 17, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

In the words of the immortal Bugs Bunny, what a maroon (thats moron to you). Another whiny liberal that doesn't respect our Constitution and instead thinks it is a Marxist document. Stay out of my life and my wallet.

Posted by: Slavetotruth

Thanks for those eye opening facts and figures!

While your searching for insults why don't you look up what the US spends on healthcare versus the rest of the world. Then look up life expectancy and child mortality rates. If you bothered to be informed you would realize I'm trying to save you, me and everyone else money.

Why do we spend twice on health care as much as the next highest and rank 37th in healthcare? Perhaps because we shuttle people to the ER and then you and I both pay for it. Instead of listening to fear mongering demagogues read for yourself.

Posted by: stikyfingas | March 17, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

If you haven't read the Senior Senator from West Virginia's letter to the Editor of the Daily Mail, I attach below. His clever & funny reference to Glen Beck should dispel any idea that this elderly gentleman is in any way "an old coot". His wit is sharp!

Thursday March 4, 2010
Reconciliation can be used to find savings

It has been said that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. In the Daily Mail's March 2 editorial regarding health care reform legislation, "Using reconciliation would hurt Democrats: Choking off debate is no way to muscle through health legislation," the newspaper's misunderstanding of congressional procedures misinforms readers who, in rapidly increasing numbers, find themselves unable to obtain or afford medical insurance.

The editorial correctly quoted me as saying in the spring of 2009 that using reconciliation to enact a huge health care package would "violate the intent and spirit of the budget process . . .".

I believed then, as now, that the Senate should debate the health reform bill under regular rules, which it did. The result of that debate was the passing of a comprehensive health care reform bill in the Senate by a 60-vote supermajority.

I continue to support the budget reconciliation process for deficit reduction. The entire Senate- or House- passed health care bill could not and would not pass muster under the current reconciliation rules, which were established under my watch.

Yet a bill structured to reduce deficits by, for example, finding savings in Medicare or lowering health care costs, may be consistent with the Budget Act, and appropriately considered under reconciliation.
With all due respect, the Daily Mail's hyperbole about "imposing government control," acts of "disrespect to the American people" and "corruption" of Senate procedures resembles more the barkings from the nether regions of Glennbeckistan than the "sober and second thought" of one of West Virginia's oldest and most respected daily newspapers.

My commitment to protecting the best interests of all West Virginians and the American people remains as firm and consistent as my devotion to observing the necessary and essential Senate rules and procedures intended to guarantee debate and the airing of diverse views.

Robert C. Byrd

Washington, D.C.

Byrd is the senior U.S senator from West Virginia

Posted by: TruthFairy | March 17, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli is clearly a Patriot who will fight to see that the Socialist Democreeps fail in this evil endeavor, that Liberty and the People succeed and that babies are not slaughtered with my tax dollars, stolen from me by Fascists with guns which is what the power of the state amounts to under the Obama regime.

Keep fighting, have no fear of your adveraries, (or the Socialist Press). We count on you and you've shown yourself worthy to hold the banner of Liberty and authentic American values. God bless Cuccinelli and damn the works of Obama-Reid-Pelosi and their fellow Bolshevik scum in the Leninist Party.

As an American who lived 6 years overseas and had to deal with and survive two different Socialized medicine regimes in Europe, I know from experience the hell that these Socialist scum want to inflict upon this nation. We will pay for it in the theft of our labor's fruits, in dying while waiting in line for treatment and in the crushing incompetence of a bureacracy which cares nothing for healthcare and only for its gubment pensions and 35hr. work week.

You think you can add 30million people into a system and not add doctors and nurses, while at the same time incentivize all college students to pass on medical're smoking the same crack that Obama smoked at Occidental college while on Affirmative Action Scholarship. All you morons who support this ought to have your next major operations either in Cuba or Venezuela, you Fascist scum.

Posted by: pfroanoke1 | March 17, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Forced, intentionally discriminatory, wealth redistribution to individuals who provide no goods or services is flatly unconstitutional because it is not "general welfare"; it is targeted welfare that intentionally discriminates against some Americans (usually Republicans) to benefit selected Americans and foreigners (usually Democrats). Democrats have largely taken over voluntary charitable giving and are using forced wealth redistribution as a vote purchasing mechanism to give themselves an inherent advantage in our weak democracy. Another traitorous thing Democrats have been doing for decades without interference by naive Republican politicians is legally and illegally importing as many no and low skill third world socialists as possible for their current and future votes and to help overwhelm the system before the next phase of purified socialism.

Posted by: SharpShtik | March 17, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Amylorr1,

How on earth did you get it in your head that it is discrimination if you can't reach in my pocket to pay for your son's diabetes treatment? I didn't ask for your kid to be born, so I am not paying to raise him, feed him, or treat him medically. That was your own choice to have him, now YOU pay for him. My God, I wish people would read the U.S. Constitution. You will just have to make the realization that insulin is one of those things like milk and bread that your family is simply going to have to go buy. Now go do it and keep your hands out of my pockets. Geeze. Bums.

Posted by: Annamariaperez | March 17, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing wrong with saying in advance that you'll sue, when it is a LEGITIMATE case -- in this instance when the feds are planning to FORCE you to purchase health insurance (under threat of crippling fines, if you don't). That is not right; that is not ethical...and further it is flat-out ILLEGAL. You cannot force someone to buy something, against their will. There is no rational defense for it, whatsoever -- and don't (again) bring up that incomparable 'car insurance' argument. As long as they don't drive, people don't HAVE to buy car insurance. They WOULD, by contrast, HAVE to buy health insurance, no matter who they were, or where -- by sheer fact of their existence, PERIOD. Thank goodness at least one state out of fifty has the gump to do this...and a good number of others are also moving that way. We the people say NO to Obama. 2008 is long gone. This is HERE, NOW!

Posted by: DRIVEAPROGRESSIVERAVINGMAD--BACKTHEJEWS | March 17, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

amylorr1, pay for your own kid.

Don't expect others to pick up the tab.

Posted by: dpo007 | March 17, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Awesome, real Americans fighting against socialism. Those who are against this OBAMANATION are rugged individualists who are proud to be responsible for their own lives. Those for it are wimpy panty-waists who want someone to take care of every little aspect of their lives, and if it's that troll Nancy Pelosi, they're all for it. Shame on you wimps.

Posted by: astralweeks | March 17, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Awwww, to bad. Virginia had to cut into education to balance the budget. Boo-hoo, liberals whine because the AG threatens a lawsuit against the dictator Obama and his thugs. Each generation of children are dumber than the previous, so give them more and more money. That's right. Other peoples money fixes all the problems liberals create. Money grows on trees.

Posted by: dpo007 | March 17, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

The Obama army has been told to write that suing the government to prevent mandated insurance is going to keep kids from school. What hogwash! If my fellow Virginians have to buy into this program, then the devastating tax consequences to small businesses alone will further deteriorate the tax base thousands of times more than the cost of the lawsuit that the Obama-ites are deriding! Don't believe their email instructing diatribes.

Posted by: statesrights | March 17, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Ken! Keep up the pressure. No one wants this legislation except the kook left wing radicals who ultimately want a government run healthcare system.

Posted by: rcnl | March 17, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Stikyfingas,

You are flat out wrong. We have the number ONE health care system in the world, not number 37. We are only considered number 37 by the U.N., an organization that I have zero faith in. What has the U.N. EVER done right? If you prefer the healthcare in another country, then be our guest and go. Certainly it costs more in the U.S., but you must not hav edone much travelling. Everything in the U.S. costs more, but people make a LOT more and have a MUCH higher standard of living than anywhere else in the world. As for life expectancy, you are wrong there too. We actually have among the highest. The way that it can be calculated that we have a lower life expectancy is that there are genetic differences that cause different races to have a lower life expectancy than others and our country is a melting pot. 14% of our population is black, which as a race has a lower life expectancy than almost all others, so compared to Japan where there are only Japanese and no blacks to speak of, they have an overall higher life expectancy. What you have failed to mention is that our blacks have a higher life expectancy than blacks anywhere else in the world, similarly with our whites and most every other race. The mixture gives the false impression you base your rational on, because overall we have to include everyone. When you cite statistics you heard from Rachael Maddow, maybe you should actually look up the internals on the study.

I certainly am tired of so many uninformed people being allowed to vote.

Posted by: Annamariaperez | March 18, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Thank God for Cuccinelli. Paisan! Hopefully he can stand between us and the the congressional gang-rape that Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are trying to perpetrate.

Posted by: AvalonJohn | March 18, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

This is awesome. Obama is forcing us to get an incredible lesson on our Constitution. We're finally starting to realize how we've been screwing the Constitution for years.

Check out this hilarious parody on Obamacare & Socialism:

Posted by: buckrol | March 18, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Finally we are seeing some action from Richmond to counter the federal takeover of the states. We now have an AG who knows there is a U.S. Constitution and that it has a Tenth Amendment.

The liberals crying over the cost of a lawsuit will think it is cheap when they see the true cost of Obamacare. All they have now are the lies from Reid, Pelosi, and the President about an unwritten, uncosted bill.

Thank you Ken Cuccinelli!

Posted by: appalachian | March 18, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Where's the LEGAL FUND? I will contribute to it in a heartbeat! GOD BLESS this man for standing up to the TYRANTS in Washington!!

Posted by: AZPaleocon | March 18, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what corrupt fossilized Sen. KKK Byrd says?! He is the KING OF PORK (do some research on his state!) and is part of the PROBLEM, not the SOLUTION!

Posted by: AZPaleocon | March 18, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

It really makes me sick to see how many people are crying about having to pay for their own meds and hospital bills.I had to quit school at 15 when my dad died and have been climbing trees since then.I have busted more bones than I can remember and been in more pain than anybody should have to endure.,but I paid cash for every office call every hospital stay every surgery including my wife and two boys,paid for my house my truck my wife's car both kids cars and vet bills for two dogs and a cat.Two years ago I even managed to buy my mother her first ever brand new car for her 80'th birthday.I've never been on welfare in my life and as long as I can still move under my own power I never will. P.S. I really love it when you college educated liberal types gotta come to work for a guy like me.One in ten MIGHT last a week.You want government run health care,try some place like cuba or venezuela.,otherwise quit bawling and get to work.

Posted by: briantooby69 | March 18, 2010 1:51 AM | Report abuse

The difference between car and health insurance mandates is this. Driving on public property is a privilege, not a right. The state can require you to show proof of ability to pay for an accident you cause exercising your privilege. The federal government cannot require you to pay for health insurance merely because you exist just like it can't force you to purchase a firearm for self-defense because you exist. The fundamental problem is the unconstitutional socialist mandate via government to force people to pay to feed and cloth and house and educate and medically treat and otherwise care for other people in the country legally or illegally simply because they exist. Their existence does not create an entitlement to deprive other people of their rights such as to keep their private property to spend on themselves and their family members as they see fit. Democrats' definition of a right (an entitlement) is to deprive someone else of their right to pay for what they want for Democrat voters.

Posted by: SharpShtik | March 18, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

If my government requires me to buy health insurance, I'll respectfully decline. I'm hoping thousands of other self-employed, or those otherwise forced to comply to do the government's will, will do the same. I'll stand alone if I must.
I used to Love this country. But what I love is being transformed into something common, something others will just have to get used to. Something to learn to tolerate. Like frogs enjoying an increasingly warm bath.

Posted by: picomanning | March 18, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli is doing Virginia proud. As well Our new Governor.
Most normal people with above retard level intelligence realize we cannot continue to spend beyond our means. This mindset has created the economic problems we are facing today. HUGE Social programs robbed of their funding by mindless legislators (both sides of the isle) over many years, have created a mess that will now require sacrifice across the board. When a government turns to printing money to buy bonds that were issued to back prior money creation,(monetization of debt) that country is essentially BANKRUPT.
Look at Greece. Greece debt is more than 100% of their GDP.
The USA's Debt is about the same.
We are now resorting to what third world countries do....inflating our debt away....MASSIVE money creation. Check out how well that worked for Zimbabwe.
Greece with massive social programs, and huge public workforce, is now trying to beg off the other Euro members that have maintained FISCAL responsibility. Those countries are saying NO without appearing to do so.
SOON, California, New York, will come begging to the federal Govt. for help.
They will need help in keeping their social programs going.
Socialism works great until you run out of other peoples money.
This nation is full of ignorant people..they were after all trained in govt. run schools. If they were not blessed with the ability to think for themselves they were lost, and depend on the media, reality shows, or just a teleprompter to relay information the their pus filled brains.
Please ATTEMPT to drop the polarizing "two party" thinking....The real reason we are in trouble is our money system.
When we give one entity the ability to print unlimited amounts of money, and as well the ability to set interest rates(artificially)......then we get what we deserve. Media is as well mindlessly following this agenda.
Without that ability to endlessly print sticking to constitutional money...there would be fair commerce..we would all be able to keep our property.
Think about it like this...every additional dollar created, makes the prior dollars worth LESS. Robbery.
I repeat...Virginia's new politicians make me proud. Thank you Cuccinelli!
We will all suffer tuff times...but it will be worth it to escape the slavery of that Federal Debt. BTW....CA,NY,AZ...other socialized states....DON'T COME BEGGIN !

Posted by: agNau | March 18, 2010 3:10 AM | Report abuse

The 'Federal Government of Obama' is overplaying its hand and will be squelched by the US citizenry. Out with the rascals.

Posted by: whatsso4me | March 18, 2010 3:10 AM | Report abuse

You’ve got to really like the mindless, emotional liberal/collectivist’s rationale on any topic, particularly healthcare reform; Stealing from a store when hungry, or a car when you need a ride is a crime. Utilizing the government as a tool to steal from one group of citizens because another group “needs” something is OK though. Hmmm, that’s consistent. It is a real shame when US and State Constitutions get in the way of the “collectivists” argument. In case you can’t tell, I support anyone that sues or impedes any Federal Government effort to legislate beyond the powers that are specifically enumerated in the Constitution. I hate to pile on when it comes to the typical “liberals” lack of ethics but; any member of the US Government supporting this healthcare mandate is violating their oath of office to uphold the US Constitution. There happen to be 37 State Governors opposing this legislation and the vast majority of real Americans support the limits our founders imposed for the exact purpose of reigning in lawless regimes like the self avowed Marxists that are currently running it.

Posted by: traumaman | March 18, 2010 3:43 AM | Report abuse

VAsolvo: nothing you quoted concerns anything having to do with forcing citizens of one state to pay for health care for another. If you'd like to see an explicit list of the powers given to the Congress, please see Article I Section 8. Nowhere does that section support your argument. I stand uncorrected and again challenge you to quote the article, section, and line number that allows the Congress to pass a bill that coerces any citizens of this nation to purchase a product or service, and also force citizens to pay out of their own earnings for provision of that same service for others who are unwilling or unable to pay.

Posted by: Crispus_Attucks1 | March 18, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

I just wanted to say that I love Ken Cuccinelli. You make me proud to live in Virginia. Thank you.

Posted by: HDThoreau | March 18, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

I just wanted to say that I love Ken Cuccinelli. You make me proud to live in Virginia. Thank you.

Posted by: HDThoreau | March 18, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

VAsolvo: nothing you quoted concerns anything having to do with forcing citizens of one state to pay for health care for citizens of another. If you'd like to see an explicit list of the powers given to the Congress, please see Article I Section 8. Nowhere does that section support your argument. I stand uncorrected and again challenge you to quote the article, section, and line number that allows the Congress to pass a bill that coerces any citizens of this nation to purchase a product or service, and also force citizens to pay out of their own earnings for provision of that same service for others who are unwilling or unable to pay.

Posted by: Crispus_Attucks1 | March 18, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Huzzah for the AG for standing up for the citizens of Va.

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why are so many politicians declining to support it until they wrench "exclusive deals" from the govt?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why are the unions not required to participate until 6-9 years from now?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why does it depend on congress passing laws requiring everyone to take part?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why aren't the politicians first in line to sign up for it?

Posted by: frigate32 | March 18, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Huzzah for the AG for standing up for the citizens of Va.

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why are so many politicians declining to support it until they wrench "exclusive deals" from the govt?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why are the unions not required to participate until 6-9 years from now?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why does it depend on congress passing laws requiring everyone to take part?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why aren't the politicians first in line to sign up for it?

Posted by: frigate32 | March 18, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Huzzah for the AG for standing up for the citizens of Va.

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why are so many politicians declining to support it until they wrench "exclusive deals" from the govt?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why are the unions not required to participate until 6-9 years from now?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why does it depend on congress passing laws requiring everyone to take part?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why aren't the politicians first in line to sign up for it?

Posted by: frigate32 | March 18, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Huzzah for the AG for standing up for the citizens of Va.

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why are so many politicians declining to support it until they wrench "exclusive deals" from the govt?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why are the unions not required to participate until 6-9 years from now?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why does it depend on congress passing laws requiring everyone to take part?

If the proposed healthcare reform is so good, then why aren't the politicians first in line to sign up for it?

Posted by: frigate32 | March 18, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

obama is a pathetic, stupid, one-term teabagging loser.

Posted by: ItsOver2 | March 18, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Virginia is for lovers and I love Virginia. Go after those Feds, guys. You have my full support. I now fly the Virginia flag with its sic semper tyrannis motto. I will not fly the Stars and Stripes until Obama, Webb, and Warner are all out of office.

Posted by: hz9604 | March 18, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Crispus_Attucks1, my friend, do not limit your evaluation to the restrictive language of Article I [S8], as we have been taught to do. The 14 A, coupled with the broadness of the Commerce clause, opened new doors to the powers of Congress, rendering it essentially limitless in legislative scope over US citizens. You won't find a Constitutional provision for MOST congressional action from the early 1900's to today. Why is that? Gold confication: none. social security: none. Federal Reserve: none. Endangered species act: none. EPA: none. Bd.of ED.: none. Standing armies: none [excepting a standing state of national emergency since 1931]. Homeland Security: none. Federal drug laws: none. Federal gun laws: none. This is a much larger issue that arguing there is no Constitutional provision for healthcare. It is the explicit and intentioned exercise of authority over its citizens, by congress, that was granted with the US citizenship amendment. People have been saying what you are saying for 140 years. Don't you think if it were true something would have been done to correct or at least discourage these other "unconstitutional" acts? Sorry to have to be the one to break it to you. They don't call it US code for nothing. Be well,

Posted by: VAsolvo | March 18, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

If you can't find a legal precedent challenge his legal arguments....sit down and be quiet.

Posted by: armylifer | March 18, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

stikyfingas--The Constitution doesn't say anything about "PROVIDE" the general welfare. The word you're looking for is "PROMOTE"--that is, advance the cause, advertise, accommodate, remove impediments to, grease the skids. PROMOTING good health means recommending and encouraging proper habits, not delivering good health to each person and sharing the expense of doing so with everyone. PROMOTE, not PROVIDE. Big difference.

Posted by: jwebb41 | March 18, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Wow Where do all you welfare lovin' Daily Kooks Reside? In a cardboard box somewhere on the street and periodically drag your smelly Government dependent corp-ses into the local library to use free internet?
Stop the this Socialist coup now by any and all means necessary.

Posted by: ricardo4max | March 18, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Gee, I guess few people commenting understand the mathematics of this Health Care mess. Virginians will pay for it, period. And Kucinelli is 100% correct in his interpretation of the Law, and any legal fees can be recovered from the Feds too. So, I don't understand what all the howling is over.

Votes by both houses of Congress need to be taken on identical bills, or it is not a law. Period.
This "deemed to pass" business is not lawmaking.

Posted by: Akcita_Tridens | March 18, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Whatever the costs of lawsuits challenging the currently proposed health care bill, they will be a bargain for the states. If the bill passes and goes into effect, the states will have a large and growing burden for increased Medicaid that will drive most into bankruptcy or force them to hugely increase state taxes. Massachusetts' much-vaunted state health care program is only staying afloat through big financial support from the federal governbment. If the feds try to offer similar support for all 50 states, the near-death of the dollar will come even sooner. A 1950s dollar is worth about 12 cents today. What will it be worth at the end of this century? If present trends continue it will be worth about five cents -- even less if Congress keeps spending like a drunken sailor.

Posted by: scribe1 | March 18, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Virginia has said "NO to the Health Care Bill". If either of our Senators support such action, not only should the House be sued, but also, both of our Senator's for voting for a bill that the State has Said "NO to". We do not need this garbage in our state, the country has too many entitlement programs now that we cannot afford. And last of all we do not need anyone in Congress or a President that does not listen to the people. Our Government works from the bottom up and not the top down. For all of you winers that think everyone in the United States deserve health care, I suggest you open up your wallets and pay for the ones you fill sorry for, but leave the little money I make alone. Look at the interstates we have in this country, the Government cannot even keep the highways up. Our post office is broke, they have robbed our Socialist Security system blind, they tie the hands of the military for doing their mission, and prosecute our soldiers for trying to win a war we are throwing trillions at. Do you know the history of the leaders of our government? Do you not realize every time that they stick their nose into anything, including our military, it is a disaster, and yet many of you pinheads want them to give and I say again "GIVE" you health care. If you want free health care, join the military and you will see what you will get for free. I will give you a hint, nothing is free!!! In closing I would like to say that the V.A. does give excellent health care, but that is because of the people that work for it, not because they have too. As far is the Government is concerned that they would move them in and out like cattle. If any of you use the V.A., why do you think the waiting is so long? It is because the Doctors and nurses care about the patients, it is about a Government mandate that they have to schedule so many patients in a day.

Posted by: me11231 | March 18, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse


Thanks for your entirely bigoted ill-informed lies. How come countries with 90% black populations have higher life expectancy than the US. Sorta breaks your halfassed theory, huh?

Source is the US Gov not the UN

but you wouldnt care anyways

Posted by: stikyfingas | March 18, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

It's not time to sue, it's time to secede.

Posted by: RickyRob2 | March 18, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Keep up the good work, Comrades! We must continue to post frequently and under different names to make the capitalist pigs think everyone supports our march toward glorious socialism under our dear leader B. Hussein O. Comrades Reid, Pelosi, and Emmanuel can not do this alone!

Dear Leader Hussein will bless you with increased portions of rations when the time comes. You will see the wisdom of your loyalty repaid in preferred placement on all waiting lists. Your neighbors will wonder how you came to possess items no longer available. Our cause will triumph and as everyone becomes equal, we will march for our dear Leader Hussein shouting "Freedom from Responsibility!" Long live dear Leader Hussein, may he rule forever!

Posted by: 4USA | March 18, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

That is one thing I did not understand why the Republicans did not make a real big point! How come they were accepting the government to force people to get health insurance? It is not the same as car insurance! Car insurance is necessary because if there is an accident, the victim needs to be covered, and remember only liability insurance is required to cover the other party. So, why should the government require someone to have insurance? It is unconstitutional !!!

Posted by: josedfarias | March 18, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Finally -

someone doing something real and tangable and standing up to this runaway House and Congress. They care nothing of the Constitution they so galantly swore to uphold and defend.

May these bums all be thrown out on their backside come November for ruining a once great nation by spending us into oblivion!

Posted by: logan51976 | March 18, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

stinkyfingas bleated "Annamariaperez

Thanks for your entirely bigoted ill-informed lies. How come countries with 90% black populations have higher life expectancy than the US. Sorta breaks your halfassed theory, huh?"

What a SHOCKA that a progressive plays the "racist!" card so quickly. Annamaria's reasoning sounded pretty legitimate to me, so do me a favor and name a country with "90% black" population that has higher life expectancy than the US. (I'm asking seriously because I haven't seen the specific life expectancy list everyone's talking about.)

Posted by: beefstu2 | March 18, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

AMYLORR1, it's unfortunate that your son has the condition that he does. It would be even more unfortunate were I and others be forced to pay for his care.

Posted by: MonkeySpank | March 18, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I say bring it on. We are already half way to being a socialistic country. Lets go all the way. The President can issue signing statements declaring what laws he wants to enforce, how, and if he will ignore parts of it. The congress is supine whether its the DemofacistsRepubfacists in charge. The opposition party usually goes along with any statist skulduggery anyways. Welfare/Warfare, they want the suppine public to finance their domestic or international empires. Meanwhile we have become the worlds biggest debtor nation, trillions in debt. The Supremes rarely rule in favor of the individual vs The State. The State consumes more power, and the individual see less liberty.

Posted by: freemen | March 18, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Those against Cuccinelli's actions are totally blinded and ignorant. These same blind and ignorant people drink the Obama kool-aid on a daily basis. These same blind and ignorant people get what they deserve because they voted people like Obama, Pelosi and Reid into office. Obama has done more damage and cost our nation more money in 14 months that GW Bush did in 8 years. If this healthcrap bill gets Rahm'ed through, just wait and see how much more you will be will be outragous. Then again, that is what this Obama administration wants; they want you to depend on a large, socialist-style government.

Posted by: rpsboyz | March 18, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Obowmoa pretty much said on Fox News last nite, screw the constitution, you know that pesky old blueprint for freedom that limits him,(government) and protects us from him. And the tyranny he thinks we deserve.

Posted by: vetterick50 | March 18, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

The sad part about this is that the people that support this bill do so because they hate the opposition more than they fear or even understand this so called "reform". They hate Republican's or anyone that believes in personal responsibilty over nanny state Big Brother utopia. They won't even consider that this legislation might be bad for the country as a whole and themselves personally. They just prefer to foist a "defeat" on their opposition at all costs.

They cannot fathom that this legislation (should it pass and not be rejected by the SC) would destroy the engine that has produced the finest healthcare in the world. This is where people come from around the globe when they need the best. That didn't happen by accident. It happened because a free market system with a profit motive at it's core created incentive to create better drugs and better procedures.

Take a look at the states around the country that are suffering the most economically (California and Michigan at the front) and you will understand what path the nation as a whole is headed down. Mandates from the Federal Government to buy anything are not Constitutional. They have no precident and no legal standing. States can compel you to buy auto insurance under the 10th Amendment. That is, if you want to drive a car and that in order to protect not you the driver but anyone you might be found responsible for injuring.

A mandate from the Feds to buy anything just for breathing is absurd and will be tossed out in a heartbeat. But then again none of this matters to those that have chosen any means and will believe any lie in supporting this President and his bill.

You will reap what you sow. You will lose in November. No more legislation will pass through Congress. No more magnificent monuments of destruction for Obama to take credit for. You will have wasted a year and half that might have been spent addressing real problems like the economy and the foreign policy storm we are facing. And in the end your healthcare "reform" will be tossed out and delay the real reform that could actually help the people you claim to care about. You deserve nothing but scorn and defiance. Slight regard. Contempt. I am embarassed to call you my countrymen.

Posted by: aMonsterisanidiot | March 18, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Life expectancy Rank, Country Name, Percentage Africa population

14 Anguilla 90%
15 Cayman Islands 80%
16 Bermuda 55%
49 USA 12.8%

Source CIA Factbook.

But I'm sure your vast knowledge of human genetics trumps mine. It's not like I am a geneticist or anything.

Oh wait...

Posted by: stikyfingas | March 18, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sue their corrupt butts! It's time for some people to have the balls that our founding fathers had. Listen to you weeneys whining about how it will cost the state of Virginia! What do you think it will cost you if this socialist medicine monstrosity passes? And to think you are from the state of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. All you can think about is your short term sacrifice and discomfort. I don't think you are risking life and limb and all you have in the cause of freedom, like most of our founders and many others in America did. It is because of their love of liberty and sacrifice to obtain it, that all of us have been blessed to live in the most free, prosperous nation. If you don't like it here and think you'd be more free and have more opportunity somewhere else, then go for it. You could go to Europe or Canada and enjoy their socialist medicine. But the freedom and prosperity we had enjoyed for so many hundreds of years is rapidly evaporating and it is about time the states started getting a backbone and saying NO to unconstitutional federal shenanigans. It is like the movie A Bug's Life. If the ants would realize how much power they weild in numbers and band together and refuse to be abused and bullied, they can stand down their exploiters. Go Virginia, Go Texas, Go all the thirty seven that have said they won't stand for it. Go Kentucky. That is where I live at present and I will be contacting my state legislators telling them to take a stand against this nonsense. I would gladly contribute to a fundraiser for the expenses if I can.

Posted by: lisatruitt | March 18, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

This is what happens when Nancy Pelosi & Co. try to ram an unpopular healthcare bill through congress at any cost. There will be a deluge of lawsuits over this. If there's someone "wasting taxpayer money" in all this it's the Democrat congress. They have increased the national debt by $2 trillion in the 420 days since Obama took office. It's now at $12 trillion. Yes, that's right -- 0ne-sixth of our national debt was created in the past year. They now want to spread around the pain, and you're going to pay for it. Having fun yet?

Posted by: ttj1 | March 18, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Life expectancy Rank, Country Name, Percentage Africa population

14 Anguilla 90%
15 Cayman Islands 80%
16 Bermuda 55%
49 USA 12.8%

Source CIA Factbook.

But I'm sure your vast knowledge of human genetics trumps mine. It's not like I am a geneticist or anything.

Oh wait...

And the underlying information? This is misleading - lies, damned lies, and statistics. How many preemies do they attempt to deliver? Do they count them in this statistic?

When people stop coming to the US for treatment, perhaps we will listen to this kind of propaganda.

Posted by: liinda | March 18, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

If Virginia and the other states want to save money on lawsuits on the Fefderal Government, why don't the governors of those states as well as the voters ask Nazi Pelosi and all the other members of congress and as well as Obama if "They are going to put their families on this kind of health care, Obama isn't nor are the congreesman, because Ted Kennedy put in the bill that the lawmakers and the president and his cabinet members are "EXEMPT " from it. while they get top of the line care, you get meatball surgeries and overcharged billings from hospitals,doctors,radioligists,bloodbanks, anesthesiologists, charged for pills,ambulance, ...........They sure don't........but you need to ask them this!!!!!!!!

Posted by: kilbykevin | March 18, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse


I live in Virginia and you'll be happy to know we balanced our budget in a fiscally responsible manner that is not likely to hard our educational system. Essentially, we're reduced funding to the same level as 2 years ago. While that is a step backward from the rate of inflation, the truth is the number of school age children in many Virginia cities is shrinking. Will it have an impact? Yes. Will it be devastating? Absolutely not. Tough times call for more frugal measures.

Posted by: VBAtty | March 18, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Give 'em H*ll Virginia! I love this move.

When will Pelosi finally pick up her broom and fly back to Cali?

Posted by: zap123 | March 18, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Sue Hell! Tell the feds to go butt a stump. Cite the 10th Ammendment to the Constitution.(it's in there with what's left of the Bill of Rights). The federal govt has forgotten that the federal govt was created to serve the states not visa versa. Contrary to popular teachings, the Northern War of Aggression was not fought over slavery, but "states rights". If that arguement fails, don't send the feds any more money. All the states should take this approach. Let's see who perishes first.

Posted by: robertsgt401 | March 18, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

stinkyfingas, if you're a geneticist, then you surely know that macro life expectancy cannot be 1:1 correlated to healthcare and that diet, geography, climate, a population's racial (genetic) composition, and many other things are contributing factors. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

If you want to discuss all of the major factors contributing to different life expectances between the US and 3 MINISCULE (Anguilla = population 13,600!) and relatively well-off Caribbean islands, then by all means let's continue this conversation. But you beclown yourself if you think that a relatively homogenous population of 14K on a tropical island can be directly compared to a heterogenous population of over 300 million.

Posted by: beefstu2 | March 18, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beefstu2

Go back an read annemarie's statement again.
Her argument was not based on any societal factors other than genetics. If "Blacks" were so genetically inferior as was presupposed they wouldn't still exist. ...and yes saying one "race" is better based on faulty assumptions superior genetics is RACIST

Of course, I believe that diet and other factors are important in a populations life expectancy than just genetics that's why I said she was wrong and showed her an example.

Posted by: stikyfingas | March 18, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I see the Dem brigade is out in force here, trying to smear up Virginia's new attorney general for reminding Speaker Pelosi not to try manipulating President Madison's classic contribution to constitutional governance. Bravo General Cuccinelli!

Posted by: johnlromjue | March 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Slavetotruth: You reap what you sew. Everything you and your forefathers stole will be repaid.

Posted by: lane7 | March 18, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Using the office of the Attorney General as a launch site for lawsuits that promote his wing-nut agenda will only waste Virginia taxpayer funds when we can least afford them."
---------------------------------------------------It seems to me that the dem AGs also like to use their positions to promote their wingnut agendas - Eliot Spitzer (NY) and Richard Blumenthal (Conn.) are/were perhaps the most egregious at this. At least here, Virginia has a legitimate claim that this is an abuse of federal power over state and individual rights by requiring its citizens to purchase health insurance.

Posted by: gouZgounis | March 18, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

God Bless Va. And the same for Idaho.There will be many more state AG's who after reading this final final reconciliation massive 2700 page filled with socialist nonsense and un-Consti. mandates, will be suing to protect their citizens. Obama and his Brownshirt Dem minions in Congress may think he has America in his Venezuela moment but perhaps the states will overcome his tyranny. In my 71 yrs. , he is the worst Prez in my life and the most un-democratic. May the AG's in all 50 states have the guts of VA. and Idaho and I pray that an AG here in Ca. after the Nov. elections will do the same to overturn this Un-Constitutional diatribe in legislation.

Posted by: phillyfanatic | March 18, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

you libs are hosed- damned either way the vote goes.

Posted by: sehmke | March 18, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for AG Cuchinelli, Gonzaga is proud of its Purple Eagle AG!

Posted by: 3rings | March 18, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

regardless of whether cucinelli does the honors, the conservative supreme court can be relied upon to enforce the constitution and strike down this god forsaken bill on two seperate grounds: (1) no source of power for imposing an individual mandate (2) the run-around bicamerial approval for a bill to be presented to the president.

considering how much the dems have been claiming the individual mandate is crucial to make the entire bill work, one wouldnt think there would be a severance clause and the whole bill would go down with the court's ruling.

alot of political capital burnt through and time wasted just to bull this through 218-214 (or there abouts) + reconciliation in the senate just to have it all go for naught, dont you think libs and crossdressives?

Posted by: dummypants | March 18, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

VAsolo - You almost hit the nail on the head without even knowing it, but your apparent disdain for the Constitution keeps you in blinders. The commerce clause has NOT opened new doors on congressional powers. The list of unconstitutional things that congress has done that you have listed are due to a purposeful misrepresentation of what the constitution says. They are all unconstitutional and just as the Supreme Court has recently reversed another 100 year old shackle on free speech along with the McCain-Feingold clap trap on freedom of speech, they need to do the same with all of these other entitlement programs. I do not owe anyone else anything and nowhere does the Constitution give Congress the right to take from me to give to the poor. You may even want to do some research into how the 16th amendment was ratified, because in truth, it actually never was. Our Constitutions number one purpose is to protect us FROM our government, not to give government authority to rule us.

Posted by: Annamariaperez | March 18, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Stikyfingas - Why is it that if anyone mentions race when it is pertinent, especially in a scientific nature, that unless you are black you are called a bigot? Is it bigotted to point out that only blacks get sickle cell anemia? You my friend, are the bigot for thinking in your tiny little brain that the mention of race is racist. You are a prime example of a sheeple.

If you are so smart, name the African country where the life expectancy of blacks is higher than that of either Americans as a whole or only black Americans. And please don't go naming countries like Anguilla and Bermuda where they arrived as part of the slave trade. Also, don't leave out the high miscarriage and infant mortality rates.

And do you honestly want us to accept information from the U.S. government any more readily than from the U.N., especially when this so called information is only heresay that you claim is out there? I am not scrolling back, but I do believe that in a previous post to you, I told you that whatever statistics you are looking at, you need to look at all of the internals and not the cherry picked numbers that match your template.

Posted by: Annamariaperez | March 18, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

God knows someone better stand up and push back against this totally UNCONSTITUTIONAL takeover of 1/6th of the entire U.S. economy by proven fiscal IDIOTS!
This is the craziestdamn thing I have ever seen in my life and I came of age in the 60's!
I don't care how much it costs me as a taxpayer...I would be thrilled to pay taxes or donations to fight this corrupt, venal, power grabbing bunch of maniacs.
REVOLUTION NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Fleur1 | March 18, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

VAsolvo: You can't justify unconstitutional behavior by pointing to other unconstitutional behaviors. Furthermore, somehow attempting to apply the 14th amendment and commerce clauses to health care is absurd. The 14th was intended to define citizenship and impose equal law enforcement in the post civil-war era. The 10th, on the other hand, clearly binds Congress to legislative duties within explicitly defined powers, such as those in Article I Section 8. As Thomas Jefferson put it, "Whenever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." The VA AG is absolutely correct to challenge this unconstitutional proposal and over 35 other states are planning similar suits. Watch and see, it will be soundly defeated if passed. I stand uncorrected.

Posted by: Crispus_Attucks1 | March 18, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Liinda - My point exactly. It's easy to take a 3rd world country where half of the population dies before childbirth and then take what is left over and compare the overall life expectancy to the U.S. where we keep people alive for longer than it will take to become a stillborn, and then say people live longer in Bermuda when in fact they don't. They just don't have as high of a mortality rate of children and teens who have been given those few years of precious life instead of being a stillborn and not counted, as they would have been in Bermuda.

Posted by: Annamariaperez | March 18, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse


Fine the onus is on you to find data that proves otherwise since no source is good enough for you.

Posted by: stikyfingas | March 18, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Stikyfingas - No, the Onus is on YOU! You are the one who believes that the U.S. has such a low life expectancy compared to 3rd world countries, so it is either up to you to prove otherwise or go move somewhere where you think you will live longer based on the tremendous public health care system.

Regardless, if the U.S. life expectancy was 20 years old, it would still not give you the right to reach into my pocket to pay for your family's medical care. Go panhandle somewhere else.

Posted by: Annamariaperez | March 18, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

But just to be nice, without forgetting that the U.S. is a vast melting pot and yes, genetic differences do make enormous differences, go look here :

You may want to say, "Oh wow! Canada is better!," but again, keep in mind the racial component. Canada is 84% white and 2.5% black. Their largest minority groups are asian, which racially boost the overall life expectancy rate. It has nothing to do with the welfare provided health care that their people avoid when they are in real trouble, by running south to the good ole' U.S. of A. for treatment.

Posted by: Annamariaperez | March 18, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Fleur1 - Revolution now? Bring it moron!

Posted by: FredEvil | March 18, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

FredEvil - Beleive me, if the 2nd amendment was lived up to and people who exercise their right to bear arms in order to protect the Constitution from threats that are both foreign and domestic, there wouldn't be much that the panty-waist anti-gun libs would really be able to do about it. Saying, "Bring it," really doesn't show that you have an understanding of what the 2nd amendment is all about and clearly shows that you don't really realize who are the ones out there who exercise that right. Whether a revolt happens or not, it isn't the rainbow flag flying, gimme, gimme, gimme, free healthcare wanting crowd out there who are packing heat. I doubt anything like a revolution is going to happen, but I'm just saying, don't act like you are all bad ass by saying, "Bring it," when you honestly wouldn't be able to handle it if it were brought.

Posted by: Annamariaperez | March 18, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the number of people that are saying THIS is a waste of time. You should be applauding the man who is willing to stand up to the Federal Gov't bunch of Socialists and tell them NO - WE DON'T ACCEPT YOUR "DEEMING" THAT THIS BILL PASSED! Wake up people. This bill is NOT the answer to the problems we face - it is an entitlement program that will further bankrupt this country. There are problems with health care - everyone knows that. Congress needs to address the problems, not create this costly bill that doesn't address the issues. You who are whining that you don't get the health care you need will STILL not get it after this bill passes. The only difference you'll see is you'll get to pay HIGHER TAXES to pay for this and all the lies about keeping your own insurance and selecting your own doctor and giving care to the very young and very old will be exposed. But it will be too late. Wake up and call your representatives and tell them NO. Remember, this won't affect them as they have an elite plan that only they and other Federal employees can have - for life. Our lives and freedoms are at risk. I applaud Cuccinellis and hope others have the courage to do the same.

Posted by: kubie1955 | March 18, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

To the poster about insulin, in NJ anyone can buy insulin, but a prescription is needed for hypodermics.

Posted by: ishartmann | March 18, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I support Ken Cuccinelli and other AG's decision to sue the federal goverment if this travesty of a bill passes. People don't seem to realize the Constitutional rights this bill tramples to both the state and citizens. Besides the fact it will do nothing but to "fix" the nation's healthcare issues. I love the part of the bill that also states that no future Congress can repeal the oversight group set to mandate costs, etc. That in itself is unconstitutional. But hey concerned citizens be damned... these morons know what's best for us!! 1 final thought.. several people have said that a law suit against the federal goverment by states would be a "waste of time". However, as of now nearly 40 states have indicated they intend or are looking into suing if this passes. I don't know about you, but 40 nearly states threatneing to sue should tell folks in Washington.. think before you act!!

Posted by: MP5N | March 18, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Good for him! Its time the states stood up to the federal government, which is clearly power mad and rife with corruption and disdain for our Constitution. After November and the tsunami that wipes away the flotsam of the drones, perhaps its time to begin discussing impeachment.

Posted by: thevinceman | March 18, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

If Cuccinelli is crazy for threatening to sue if healthcare is passed through the illegitimate application of an obscure means, he has a lot of company with other states AG's. Someone has to put a stop to Obama and the rest of the deaf Democrats actions before they bankrupt every generation to follow. The crazy ones are not in state capitols but in the federal capitol.

Posted by: WriteGuy | March 18, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

You know, it would be nice to have just ONE day without yet another embarrassing headline about Cuccinelli.

Posted by: lydgate | March 18, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I will say what so many people on this blog want to say. For those of you that support this healthcare bill probably don't have job, and are living off the government, or better yet us hard working tax payers that have to work 6 months out of the year so that you can sit your rear ends at home while getting fat and then complaining that you want us to pay for your healthcare because your overweight and have health problems.

Before you bash me, I am OK with helping those that are down on their luck, but I am sick and tired of all of these entitlements that our government wants to give out to you lazy people that refuse to work.

I wasn't given a damn thing in life. My parents nor my wife's parents paid for our college. We took out student loans and are in debt about 100K. So, unless you people that are sucking up my tax dollars want to start paying my student loans, please keep your mouths shut because I don't want to pay for your healthcare. Stop going to the hospitals when you have a a runny nose or a cut on your arm. I don't even go to the doctor when I have a runny nose. You know why? Because I still have to pay a co-pay, and that deturs me from going but you don't have that because you know you can go to the hospital and get free healthcare now. I know this because my wife is a nurse at one of those hospitals. That will drive down the cost of healthcare right there alone.

From a policy standpoint, this healthcare bill stinks really bad. They are shifting the costs to the states, and not the federal government. This isn't estimated in the CBO. So, those of you that are working and paying taxes, just be prepared to pay more local taxes now while your caring neighbors that don't work continue to get more entitlements. They are the ones laughing to the bank. Oh by the way they are also the ones that are getting 10K back on their income taxes when they paid nothing inot it because they can afford to have the additional kids that you can't because you are paying for their kids not them. Just as an FYI, I have never gotten a credit for my child because my AGI is too high, and therefor my tax break is given to those that won't work. What they forgot to calculate into my AGI is the fact that I pay almost 1K a month in student loans which I agreed to pay and am happy to pay for the education that my wife and I have.

So in short, before you judge us that are tired of paying for your entitlements, get a job, pay your fair share of taxes, and then you can actually have a say so in how the government reaches into the rest of our pockets.

Posted by: elkins34 | March 18, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

The simple truth is we are very divided and there is no way to compromise the issue.

I am 100% against the governments plan as it is very bad for me and will cost me thousands of dollars. I dont give a darn there are people without health care and I for sure dont want to pay for theirs.

They on the other hand are 100% in favor of the governments plan. They simple feel that I can afford higher taxes and that I should be willing to pay more for the promise of reduced cost in the future.

I have never seen any government program cost anywhere close to what those who support the plan say it will cost.

They on the other hand point out that yes those programs have always cost more, but the good they provide is proof that the programs were needed.

We have crossed a line that will be very hard to erase. Like it or not one of the two sides is going to lose and they are not going to go quietly into the night.

What happens if it passes? Will there be states( as many as 20 to 25) that will ignore the federal governments mandate? If so what will the federal government do to them?

If it doesnt pass, will the be 20 to 25 states that declare themselves bankrupt because they can no longer afford the cost of providing health care for their citizens?

Will states once again leave the union? You do know there is a state were there is a movement to leave the union, not because the US has become to liberal, but because it isnt liberal enough?

That were the real problem is, states wanting the same end result but for different reasons.

Posted by: pandl | March 19, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

No worries. It won't pass. Pelosi is toast.

Posted by: floyddabarber | March 19, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

I heard some congressman yesterday say that he believed that healthcare was a right. What he is saying is that you have a right to part of your neighbor's paycheck. That is truly immoral!

Posted by: dasmithjones | March 19, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I see from the assortment of left wing commentary that the party of societal parasites still patronizes WAPO. Anyone who believes that the government has the right to mandate the purchase of a good or service are anxious to get someone else to pay for their miserable existence that the constitutional questions mean nothing to them.

I support any an all attempts to thwart the efforts of that racist ex-crackhead Marxist in the oval office to hijack the health care system in this country and place replace it with another useless entitlement program that will kill our economy. Anyone who thinks that Zero can cut $500 billion from Medicare during a period when the rolls will grow 30% needs to go back to school and take a basic economics course. It isn't possible and that is an inarguable fact.

Posted by: thepubba | March 19, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

After reading the comments on this blog, it has become very evident that the terms self-reliant, self-made, honest, charitable and a host of other words have never been taught and or defined by the teachers of those who desire the health care legislation to pass. They really subscribe to the concept that others are responsible for my actions and or lack of. What a complete shame.

Having grown up in Europe I have seen first hand the health care given over there and want no part of it.

I have 3 main concerns over the bill as it currently sits-
1. it takes away my right to chose to have or not to have health insurance. It is a commodity and I am going to be forced to buy it. I THINK NOT
2. it forces others to take care of me and my family- who in the hell said that I wanted that to happen
3. Never in my 55 years have I seen one thing proposed by our Congress and then passed, that came within the scope of the proposed budget (or for that matter even close to it)

An earlier blogger stated that it is almost time to lock and load. I dont think that it is to that point yet but damn close. But if the people who pass this monstrosity think that we are going to just stand by and let our rights and responsibilities go by the way side they are sincerely mistaken. Take my word for it a revolt is coming- I for one will never pay another penny in taxes should this bill pass- if we all did the same it would definitely grab their attention. And they damn sure cant imprison everyone. Let those that want this program pay for it- OH wait- do they even have jobs or do they live off of their mommy.

I heard progressives today state that the fight was over- IT HAS NOT EVEN STARTED YET.
God bless this great country of ours- in spite of its faults

Posted by: mysacredhonor | March 19, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Why is Cuccinelli opposed to universal health care? Is it because such a plan would require that gays be included in all coverage?

Posted by: AlaskaMelts | March 22, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

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