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Updated: Obama skips, McDonnell attends historic boy scout jamboree

Anita Kumar

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Gov. Bob McDonnell addresses the boy scouts at the 2010 jamboree. Photo courtesy of the governor's office

President Obama may not be planning to speak at the 100th anniversay of the boy scouts' jamboree today in Virginia, but Gov. Bob McDonnell wouldn't miss it.

McDonnell was a boy scout. His two sons were boy scouts. And his wife, Maureen, and all three of their daughters were girl scouts or brownies.

The jamboree began this week at Fort A.P. Hill in Bowling Green, less than an hour from Richmond. Held at that location since 1981, it will the last time the event will be held in Virginia.

In 2006, McDonnell (R) fought back against the ACLU, which tried to end the jamboree, arguing that the Defense Department's financial support of the event violates the separation of church and state. He called the lawsuit an "attack by the left wing on religion in the public sphere."

The governor will speak to 45,000 scouts this morning, congratulating them for a century of service and emphasizing the importance of their work to their communities and country as a whole, his spokeswoman Stacey Johnson said.

Obama, out of town for a taping of the ABC show The View (the first president to do so) and Democratic fundraisers, will send a videotaped message instead.

Seven presidents, including Obama's three immediate predecessors, have made it to one Jamboree while in office.

Obama may be doing the boy scouts a favor, however. In 2005, 300 boy scouts awaiting the arrival of President George W. Bush were treated for heat exhaustion; 40 were taken to local hospital. Bush ended up canceling that visit due to inclement weather but he did eventually speak before a crowd of 75,000 scouts and visitors several days later.

Update, 1:45 p.m. Sen. Mark Warner (Va.) will host fellow Democratic Sens. Tom Udall (N.M.) and Mary Landrieu (La.) at his King George County farm this weekend. The three will visit the nearby Jamboree Sunday morning to mingle and visit scouts from their states.

By Anita Kumar  |  July 28, 2010; 9:00 AM ET
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Of course Obama didn't attend. He's busy finding ways to spend more of the taxpayers money until it implodes and has no time on frivolous American celebrations.

Posted by: MillionSix | July 28, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

As long as the BSA continues to discriminate against several different groups, Obama should not be there.

Posted by: Anglo_Rider | July 28, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Who cares. The Boy Scouts are not the clean cut organization that a lot of people think they are. Do they teach boys certain values and do some good - yes; do they discriminate and by doing so teach hate of certain groups - yes.

Posted by: rlj1 | July 28, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Do the Boy Scouts of America DISCRIMINATE against anyone? YES THEY DO!

They discriminate against Bank Robbers, Ax Murderers, Child Molesters, and Dope Dealers. Unbelievable! -- that such a threatening organization would support antiquated values, such as: Trustworthiness, Loyalty, Helpfulness, Friendliness, Courtesy, Kindness, Obedience, Cheerfulness, Thriftiness, Bravery, Cleanliness, and Reverence.

And, in addition, Being Prepared to doing but a single, Good Turn Daily!

What in the world can this once great nation possibly be coming to? - (a former Eagle Scout)

Posted by: prestonadams1 | July 28, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I do not know which is worse the false hoods spread about the scouts or the lack of a true leader in the office of the president.

The scout teach the values that allow each of you to be able to say what you have without fear of some government agency coming to your home late at night. It is truly upsetting how those who enjoy the freedoms of this country forget where they came from. I have been involved with the scouts for 45 years and we do not discriminate. The scout does not allow hidden agendas, The gay issue you speak of was a person who wore his scout uniform to a gay rights rally as if he represented the scouts. We all sign an agreement to follow the rules and program and he broke that agreement. If you do not agree with the program do not join. Why are the scouts at fault when others try to force there views on the scouts? Everyone know what the program is and stands for yet they still try to destroy it. I ask why just the scouts, why not all religions, private clubs, the academy of motion pictures, or even the unions? Sounds crazy doesn't it? The BSA provides thousands or hours of free service and tons of food and supplies to the needy all over the world so how about giving them a break and let them be.

As to the President, I thought when he was elected he might bind this country but instead he does everything he can to kill the values and systems that made this free country great. Not going to the Jamboree but rather going on the view is but another example of how he does not care about anything but getting votes. To let down over 50000 scouts is a crime and I hope those parents remember this at election time.

Posted by: bdunnican | July 28, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Get over it. The schedule didn't work out. The 30 minutes allotted to the President of the United States in the 240 hours of the Jamboree, didn't mesh with the president's actual schedule.

However, on June 12, Obama entertained a contingent of Scouts in the Oval Office, discussing policy on children, youth, recreation and natural resources. I believe Obama is the first president since Coolidge to do that. Where were you guys who criticize him today, to give him applause then?

Gerald Ford couldn't fit it into his schedule either. Why not call Ford "anti-Scout?" Why not call out Dwight Eisenhower, who missed at least two Jamborees? Why not Ronald Reagan, who couldn't find time for a Scout Jamboree in eight years?

The claim is as hypocritical and idiotic against Obama as it is against Ford.

I resent the use of Scouting as a political football on such a bogus issue. Fair-minded people see the facts.

If you don't see the facts, come on over to Millard Fillmore's Bathtub, and I'll spell it out for you in detail.

Posted by: EdDarrell | July 28, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

The young scouts (boy and girl) do not need Mr Obama to address them. He is not a desireable role model for the future leaders of this great & sovereign nation. Nor does he need to represent the United States of America to our guest scouts from other nations. God and Country; semper fi.

Posted by: stan121 | July 28, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

@EdDarrell: thanks for those facts about Reagan, Ike and Ford. I wondered about that myself. Interestingly, Ford is the only President to have also made Eagle Scout.

I don't know the circumstances behind why those presidents had to miss the Jamboree, but I DO know why Obama is missing it: to fly to New York to tape a daytime talk show and attend a swank political fundraiser for the Democratic Party at Anna Wintour's house.

In short, Obama could have gone in person if he really wanted to. It's a 20 minute ride in the chopper.

What many people find frustrating about President Obama is the sometimes unexplainable detachment he seems to show toward pretty basic American things. I don't think he does it consciously, but I do think the people around him serve him very badly.

Allowing myself for a moment to see this through a political lens, it would have been a perfect opportunity for Obama to connect with kids, show he's a regular guy and in touch. But "The View" taping and some chic fundraisers in New York trumped that, didn't they?

Posted by: joeduffus | July 28, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

For Ed Darrel and everyone else. There wasn't a jamboree during Ford's Presidential term. Rather straight forward that should be understood by all "VIEW"ers.

Posted by: navboss | July 28, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

As a former Eagle Scout, I would like to congratulate our President for skipping the Jamboree.

It is unfortunate that the BSA's present leaders have decided to implement policies that discriminate against homosexuals and atheists in what used to be such a wholesome organization. I can guarantee you that my troop will never reject ANYONE, child or adult, who wants to get involved. And there's nothing the BSA or any of the critics here can do about it.

Posted by: esaugladstone | July 28, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Just to let you former Eagles Scouts that are posting the blog.

Once a Eagle Scout, always a Eagle Scout!

It is a sad day that Obama does not think of the leaders of are future, only himself and the lady's of the view.
Scouting is great for most kids and does teach values.
Guess Obama was never a scout ,as it shows.
Father of a Eagle Scout

Posted by: bsc2 | July 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the words "Boy Scout," "Girl Scout," and "Brownie" be capitalized as proper nouns?

Seeing them rendered in lower case is jarring.

Posted by: RickSincere | July 28, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The world is turned upside down. For some to say that the Scouts "discriminate" or "teach hate" is as ridiculous as saying that B. O. loves the United States and wants to advance all of its citizens. Obama has revealed himself to be the Great Divider. His sympathies lie with Muslims and any other group that wishes to harm the United States. Not one aspect of American life has improved since Jan. 20, 2009. It will continue to decline until he is defeated in 2012.

Posted by: richard4point6 | July 28, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

It's amusing, and sad, that many of the folks who are "pro-scout" are clearly Obama haters. You are proving the charge of the BSA (or at least it's supporters) of being racist and descrimanatory.

Three cheers for esaugladstone and his statement!

Kumar continues the lack of detail oriented reporting at the WaPo.

Posted by: janeway1 | July 28, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Please, Stop yourself right now. I am sick and tired of the race card being thrown at any and everyone who disagrees with our president. That is ridiculous and insulting! Do you know my race based on my views? How bigoted of You! I think you might be surprised. To say that everyone who thinks what he has done here and in other areas is a racist is an attempt to demean and lessen our beliefs. An attempt to deny the destructive nature of his administration.My son is one of the thousands at the Jamboree right now. He has been taught to repect the office of the president if not the man. I cannot respect someone who has created such divisiveness in this great land. Before the election many of my friends said his race would help create a new age of understanding and his charisma would inspire others to be better themselves. HA! Those same friends now look forward to voting him out. They see him now as a snake oil salesman more interested in attending fundraisers (more money) than in inspiring the future leaders of our nation. If he has issues with the BSA then here is his chance to be charismatic to a captive audience. Inspire them? No. Not this President. He would apparently rather spend his time letting those Panther and Acorn people get away with their atrocious behavior than take any time at all to go to Jambo. A group of Democrat Senators are touring the grounds, meeting boys from their states. You don't have to be Republican to do the right thing. The 100th anniversary of BSA and he sends a video? A chance to unite, inspire, connect? Gone. I will not forget.

Posted by: KansasMom | July 28, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Saying that the boyscouts discriminate against homosexuals is like saying that those who speak out against alchoholism and drunk drivers discriminate against alchoholics and those who drink and drive. Teaching that homosexual behavior is objectively wrong is not the same as teaching hate. Belief in objective right and wrong is not the same as hatred. You can love a person, and still tell that person when he is doing something wrong. Sometimes love requires telling a person that they are doing wrong, while condoning what is wrong is far from love. Love does not stand by idly and watch while a person destroys themself. The boyscouts teach honor and virtue to young men. On the other hand, any person who stands up for honor and virtue will invariably have to suffer attacks from the immoral.

Posted by: MarkB7 | July 28, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Saying that the boyscouts discriminate against homosexuals is like saying that those who speak out against alchoholism and drunk drivers discriminate against alchoholics and those who drink and drive. Teaching that homosexual behavior is objectively wrong is not the same as teaching hate. Belief in objective right and wrong is not the same as hatred. You can love a person, and still tell that person when he is doing something wrong. Sometimes love requires telling a person that they are doing wrong, while condoning what is wrong is far from love. Love does not stand by idly and watch while a person destroys themself. The boyscouts teach honor and virtue to young men. On the other hand, any person who stands up for honor and virtue will invariably have to suffer attacks from the immoral.

Posted by: MarkB7 | July 28, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

BSA engages in religious discrimination by expressly disallowing atheists and agnostics.

BSA engages in sexual discrimination by expressly denying leadership positions to avowed gays.

This is not conjecture: This is from their own bylaws and their own explanations of them.

The BSA is a bigoted organization, and I am proud of any president that denies them support.

Posted by: sullivan_rhys | July 28, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

BSA does not practice religious discrimination by expressly disallowing atheists. Atheism and agnosticism is not a religion but the absence of it. The Boy Scouts hold that belief in God is fundamental to the practice of virtue, it would be counter to their beliefs to allow atheists.

BSA does not engages in sexual discrimination by expressly denying leadership positions to avowed gays. They are within their right as an organization not to allow those who intentionally violate the standard of conduct they set for their own members.

You state "This is not conjecture: This is from their own bylaws and their own explanations of them." But this is obvious, they are proud to stand for what is right. The Boy Scouts do not buy into the popular trend to accept as right something that is wrong.


You say "The BSA is a bigoted organization, and I am proud of any president that denies them support." The dictionary defines a bigot as a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race. Intolerance is a characteristic feature of our time. Intolerance is very closely related to relativism and the loss of an objective sense of right and wrong. Are you saying that anyone who does not accept homosexuality is a bigot? And would you also say that anyone who offers counseling to an alchoholic is a bigot? What if one of your own children chose to be a prostitute rather than a doctor? Would you not try to change their mind? Would that make you a bigot because you objectively hold certain beliefs as truth?

Posted by: MarkB7 | July 28, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

@ janeway1: To hate what the man has done to the country and what we perceive his future actions to be is not the same as hating the man just because of the color of his skin. For the record, I am white and proud of my heritage, I grew up close to a town in the Midwest that was a key pat of the underground railway and I am proud of that fact. No, the underground railway was not the first subway, it was grassroots organization that worked to help the escaped slaves find their way north to freedom. No, I was not a part of it, my parents had not even been born yet but I believe what they did was the right thing. Tell me how that makes me a racist?

So, what is the point of you throwing the race card out just because we don't like the actions of this (Black?) man? Are you so bigoted and narrow minded that you can not see the truth before you for the rose colored glasses that you ware while drinking the cool aid that is served to you? Frankly, you make me sick! Get over your self and start looking around at the real truth. Look at how the country is being torn apart instead of being pulled together. This great unifier is not doing such a good job or bringing us together when his administration does every thing that they can to subvert the Constitution and values that built this once great country.

Posted by: KiteWhisperer | July 28, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

My understanding of the BSA issue re: Homosexuality is just that it is an issue of propriety. One's sexual preference is just not part of the scouting program. BSA doesn't want leaders or identified scouts to participate in any political action while in uniform, for fear that it will imply that the BSA endorses any particular political stand. BSA wouldn't be OK with a scout in uniform demonstrating in favor of any sexual preference. It's just not relevant to Scouting. I feel sure there are patriotic, admirable, positive scouts who are gay. The BSA only asks that they keep it to themselves. Sexual preference is not part of Scouting.

As for Obama, I'm sorry he can't make it. What a wasted opportunity.

Posted by: MPHM22 | July 28, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

To the one who called himself a "former Eagle Scout", as one who made it up to Life Scout, I just don't understand why you labeled yourself an former Eagle Scout. I guess you never appreciated being an Eagle Scout or the sacrifice your parents made during your trail to Eagle. Was being an Eagle Scout too much of a burden? I guess I'll never know.

However, with "Former Eagle Scouts" like you,I'm proud to that I am a Life Scout.

Posted by: unclemario | July 28, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Some very good comments here, but many have diverged from the main point: The President did not attend - and I think it's important to note - this is the 100th Anniversary of the Boy Scouts in America - not just "another Jamboree."

Also, this date was on the calendar before he was elected...so I think this appears very deliberate - at least having Eagle Scout Robert Gates available provided an out.

I turned off "The View" many, many years ago when Meridith Viera announced the show would be a rating comparison of hairbrushes...that was not worth my time on the treadmill...

But The President chose this level of infotainment (or is it this level of voters?) over 45,000 people dedicated to service, volunteerism, helping others,and to developing future leadership for families, neighborhoods, jobs, the country, and for themselves.

I am very proud to have two sons in attendance at this Jamboree. My 13-year old has been saying all year "I will remember this my whole life". He was expecting The President.

How familiar are the anti-Scout bloggers with a real Troop or people that are Scouters?

Without listing every race, creed, and religion of people I know in our Troop (including one avowed Atheist Scout currently also at the Jamboree)- ours being one of the largest Troops in the Country with over 200 registered Scouts - I will mention that my nephew is in a Troop where a couple serves as Leaders formerly known as one Scout's Mom and Dad before Dad had a sex-change operation. Hadn't heard that one thrown in, a transgender couple as Leaders...there's not much else you can accuse the Scouts of excluding...

But the point is The President chose to appear on a frivolous women's chat show.

Which I agree really is beneath a sitting President.

Posted by: momsuptoolate | July 29, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

You must wonder about some of these posters, saying the BSA discriminates, Why sure we did, we discriminated against those who want to see the country demolished and turned into a social-communist society, we discriminate against the perverted who try to force their life styles upon us. etc, etc.

Those who make these comments never were in the Boy Scouts and probably never understood the meaning of CLEAN LIVING.

And a president who makes time for a silly talk show instead of trying to encourage the young to be proud of this country is instead more concerned in fund raising and some other slanted agenda.

Heck I bet none of you opposed to Scouting couldn't even make Tenderfoot, let alone tie a bowline!!

Posted by: rtstuff2 | July 29, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

esaugladstone;
Your so full of lies that I bet you really do hallucinate you were once an Eagle Scout.

I bet you can't even answer what the Eagle Scout code is? Prove it and maybe then I and my fellow Eagles will forgive your perverted opinions as some sort of disturbance of your childhood.

Posted by: rtstuff2 | July 29, 2010 3:18 AM | Report abuse

esaugladstone says "And there's nothing the BSA or any of the critics here can do about it."

WRONG esau. Just send a copy of your comments to your local council office and identify what unit you belong to and you will see just what they can do. Say good-bye to your charter.

Or you can be a coward and keep your proud stance to yourself.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

The point that all of the naysayers posting here have overlooked is this:

The Boy Scouts of America is a PRIVATE organization. Not a public organization. There is a vast difference LEGALLY. The U.S. Constitution protects us and each of us have the freedom to associate with whom we choose. You would not want me to force your child to hang out with a pedophile, or you to ride to work with a convicted triple DUI driver with a fatal accident in their history. SO QUIT TRYING TO FORCE US to accept people whose behavior we do not accept as being in line with our personal beliefs.

IF all the money spent trying to litigate against the Scouts was spent forming the Rainbow Scouts or some other organization that offered similar programs to ours, you and your agenda would be much better served.

If you REALLY believe in what you espouse, then PROVE it by putting your time and money into creating something you think is better and quit trying to tear down the good things already in this world.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

By the way, this has already been settled by the Supreme Court of the United States. The BSA is NOT discriminitory and has every right to their membership policies. Do a little research, just Wiki it for that matter, and you will discover it is the truth.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

untill the Boy Scouts start admitting girls then the president should not go. The boys are just not girly enough for this administration!

Posted by: rafael4 | July 29, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

jhower,

Nah, I'll just keep it to myself. If the Scouts decided to kick out blacks I wouldn't report them in, either.

I am really enjoying the impotent fist shaking in this comments section. Ridicule me all you like. There is no way for you to stop me. Not even hypothetically. :)

Posted by: esaugladstone | July 29, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

The boy scouts teach the boys to discriminate against girls, gays, and Atheists.

The courts claim that they are a private organization, yet most of the funding comes from governmental assistance (from local all the way to the national level). The Boy Scout charter came from the US Congress, the sitting President is the honorary leader of the boy scouts.

The courts lied to themselves and to the rest of us. For the boy scouts to be a private organization, the charter must be revoked, no sitting president should be connected to them, and absolutely no governmental assistance should be provided.

If they cannot survive without all of these items then they must give up their discriminatory practices.

Posted by: MontyGaither | July 29, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

MontyGaither - WHAT governmental assistance? Each unit funds itself. The District and Council funds come through the units, private donations and the United Way campaign. So where are these so-called governmental funds? I was a scout and then a scout leader for over 30 years total and never received a dime of help. It all came from the fund-raisers we did ourselves. The local scout camp was funded privately.

Esau - you are just a coward who won't stand up for what they believe in. That's two knocks against you as a supposed Scout leader. Do us all a favor and leave (if you REALLY are a leader). Because you obviously do not truly believe in the Scout Oath and Law. To compare people of different ethnic origins with homosexuals is just ridiculous. It reveals the truth of your feelings that are hidden down deep.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama skipping Jambo is a MAJOR insult to millions of people who are actively making America a better place.

This is the kind of thing that will be remembered come election time.

I'm getting tired of King Obama and Obama-mania.

Posted by: Todd23 | July 29, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

jower, I am standing up for what I am believe in precisely by refusing to turn in atheists and homosexuals. I am refusing to let you and the bigoted BSA leadership tell the kids in my troop what they have to believe.

I am not sure what this comment about my "feelings that are hidden down deep" is supposed to mean. I am quite explicitly comparing homophobes to racists. Nothing "hidden" about that.

Posted by: esaugladstone | July 29, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

esau - my point is that BSA does not compare homosexuals to members of other races. So why should you? I think you DO lump them together in your heart. Too bad for you. You are obviously unable to seperate right from wrong which is the root of your problem. So tell me, how does it feel to raise your hand at each meeting in front of all your Scouts and LIE when you promise to obey the Scout Law and to keep yourself morally clean?

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The bottom line is still the same. You cannot apply your public organization rules to private organizations. Never could and never will. It's the law of the land constitutionally and has been upheld time and time again.

But I am sure that you feel you know more than the collective wisdom of several Supreme Courts. Progressives always do think that way.

I will say it again. Go start your own organization if don't like the one we have. If you TRULY believe that is how things should be and have any real commitment to it, then logically that would be the best thing to do.

It does not make sense for anti-gun people to belong to the NRA, or Baptists to belong to a Methodist church, or criminals to the local police lodge. Nor does it make sense for people who do not believe in what the Boy Scouts of America believe in to be members there.

To hang around secretly working to flout the tenets of membership is morally and ethically wrong and will gain you absolutely nothing. Your lack of true commitment to the ideals of Scouting WILL shine through even if you don't speak them aloud. And the Scouts you serve will be worse for it.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

. . . the big problem for the activists is that if they successfully boycott the BSA, the BSA will---as a natural response---end up being more right-ward.

I also think the notion of sodomite "rights" is hysteria and very questionable. . . many fraudulent assertions there.

Posted by: Todd23 | July 29, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

jhower,

If by "the ideals of Scouting" you mean homophobia, then yes, I hope and fully expect my opposition to homophobia to "shine through". That is entirely the point.

If by "shine through" you mean that I will inevitably be stopped, that may be a comforting fantasy but it is by no means a safe assumption. It is entirely possible and indeed probable that atheists and gays will continue to participate in our troop.

If I am "lying" to gays and atheists then I am proud of that lie. It feels awesome. I love the fact that guys like you are completely powerless to discriminate against young men as long as there are guys like me around. What would make me feel ashamed is if I turned them in.

You keep bringing up morality and ethics as if I am interested discussing either with you. That's not why I'm here. I'm just here to gloat.

Posted by: esaugladstone | July 29, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

rather, if I am "lying [in my efforts to protect" gays and atheists.

Posted by: esaugladstone | July 29, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

esau - and people wonder how sometimes bad things happen in Scouting. It's because of Leaders like you who don't really have the best interests of the youth in mind. Please post here again on the day you retire from Scouting. There will much cause for celebration as another non-Scout leaves Scouting.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

After all, who wants a Scout leader that is not interested in discussing morality and ethics? That's a huge part of the job.

And you have nothing to gloat about. The poorest example of Presidential leadership since Woodrow Wilson announced that he's not going to inflict his poor example on the Boy Scouts of America any more than he already does. That's cause for us to celebrate and certainly no reason for you to gloat.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"Please post again on the date you retire from Scouting"

OK, be sure to keep an eye on this page!

Posted by: esaugladstone | July 29, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh I'm interested in discussing morality and ethics. Just not with jhower on the internet.

(And I am gloating about my troop, not about Obama.)

Posted by: esaugladstone | July 29, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

You take pride in degrading the BSA and providing a disservice to the youth you have promised to protect. That much is obvious. Please retire soon.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

haha, nah, I suspect I'll be doing this for quite some time. Sorry! :'(

Posted by: esaugladstone | July 29, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

@prestonadams1 . . . if you were truly an Eagle Scout, you would know there is no such thing as a "former Eagle Scout." You hold that role for life -- once an Eagle Scout, always an Eagle Scout.

Posted by: CJH13 | July 29, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

You can actually watch part of the partay online
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HQKIa2J_Uo

I'm excited to see what Gates says.

Posted by: Kjar1 | July 29, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

jhower1 – I should have used the word support, it is broader but does include funding.

When a school (a local government body) allows the boy scouts free use of their facilities, while it charges others to use them. That is government funding. When the school waves the required million dollar insurance coverage to the boy scouts that is government funding.

Prominent Chicago Religious Leaders Ask Federal Appellate Court to Protect Government Neutrality in Religion and End Pentagon's Extraordinary Funding for Boy Scout Jamboree - http://www.aclu-il.org/news/press/2006/04/prominent_chicago_religious_le.shtml

"… bar the Pentagon from the extraordinary spending of millions of dollars to support future Boy Scout Jamborees (the only youth organization event so funded by the Pentagon)."

http://www.aclu-il.org/news/archives/winkler.pdf

Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act requires all public schools and local educational agencies to allow BSA access to their facilities even when they have policies that do not allow discriminatory organizations to use their facilities. This is the US Government mandating schools and local educational agencies to violate their own policies to support a discriminatory organization. - http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/boyscouts.html

Support Our Scouts Act of 2005 – Prevents local, state, and federal agencies from reducing their support (financial or other) due to those governmental agencies have rules against supporting groups that discriminate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Support_Our_Scouts_Act

Posted by: MontyGaither | July 29, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

jhower1 – I should have used the word support, it is broader but does include funding.

When a school (a local government body) allows the boy scouts free use of their facilities, while it charges others to use them. That is government funding. When the school waves the required million dollar insurance coverage to the boy scouts that is government funding.

Prominent Chicago Religious Leaders Ask Federal Appellate Court to Protect Government Neutrality in Religion and End Pentagon's Extraordinary Funding for Boy Scout Jamboree - http://www.aclu-il.org/news/press/2006/04/prominent_chicago_religious_le.shtml

"… bar the Pentagon from the extraordinary spending of millions of dollars to support future Boy Scout Jamborees (the only youth organization event so funded by the Pentagon)."

http://www.aclu-il.org/news/archives/winkler.pdf

Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act requires all public schools and local educational agencies to allow BSA access to their facilities even when they have policies that do not allow discriminatory organizations to use their facilities. This is the US Government mandating schools and local educational agencies to violate their own policies to support a discriminatory organization. - http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/boyscouts.html

Support Our Scouts Act of 2005 – Prevents local, state, and federal agencies from reducing their support (financial or other) due to those governmental agencies have rules against supporting groups that discriminate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Support_Our_Scouts_Act

Posted by: MontyGaither | July 29, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

jhower1 Sorry had a problem submitting.

I can provide more. In my home town the fire department paid for any boy scout to go to camp, if the parents could not pay for it.

Here is a little more info.

Litigation has challenged the granting of preferential or equal access of the Boy Scouts of America to governmental facilities and resources:
• A US District Court's ruling against the BSA on the favorable terms under which the City of San Diego leases public land to the local BSA Council was referred to the California Supreme Court by the Federal Appellate Court. See Barnes-Wallace v. Boy Scouts of America.
• Philadelphia has revoked the favorable terms under which the City of Philadelphia leases public land to the BSA. The local BSA council has sued the city over the breach of contract. See Cradle of Liberty Council v. City of Philadelphia. On September 26, 2008, the US District Court said that the Council's claim that the city's actions were designed to impinge BSA's First Amendment rights had merit and that BSA's suit could proceed.
• In July 2003, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a decision by a U.S. District Judge that excluded the BSA from an annual workplace charitable campaign run by the state of Connecticut because of the BSA's policy on gays. In March 2004, the United States Supreme Court declined to review the case.
• In March 2006, the California Supreme Court ruled in Evans v. Berkeley that the City of Berkeley did not have to continue to provide free dock space to the Sea Scouts. In October 2006, the United States Supreme Court declined to review Evans v. Berkeley.
• In September 2006, the Oregon Supreme Court ruled that recruiting by BSA in public schools did not violate the state's nondiscrimination laws.
• The U.S. Army gives the BSA special access to a base, Fort A.P. Hill, for its national Scout jamboree and the U.S. Department of Defense spends approximately $2 million per year in taxpayer funds to assist the BSA in staging it. On April 4, 2007 the US Court of Appeals overturned a lower court ruling on the basis of a lack of standing to sue, thus allowing the 2010 and future Jamborees to go forward with continued DoD support (see Winkler v. Rumsfeld).

Posted by: MontyGaither | July 29, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Monty - all of which has been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court because the BSA is a private organization. But you are correct, that does constitute support. I couldn't retract my statement once is posted but I quickly realized what you were referring to. The fact that you are overlooking though is that all private organizations can receive that kind support if they ask for it.

You will be happy to know that I heard on the news that the BSA is purchasing 10,000 acres of land to be used as a permanent home for the Jamboree so that futures ones will NOT be held on the Army base.

Until then, I guess you should look at it this way: millions of tax dollars are being used for things I am against (i.e. health care, etc.) so it's only fair that you get the same thing in return.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Pray to God that leaders with proper moral values will continue to serve the Boy Scouts and provide the leadership that is needed.

The jaundiced thinking and misguided attitude by esaugladstone and others choosing not to uphold the values of the Boy Scouts is the last thing needed. They may pretend to be Scout leaders; however, they need to shown the door.

As for the president not having time for the Boy Scouts, I doubt that he would be greatly missed. For Obama, anything that he does has to be measured politically. He may be President. That doesn't mean that he has proved to be a capable leader.

Posted by: keepthefaith | July 29, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Oops sorry, I should have said TRILLIONS not millions.

Posted by: jhower1 | July 29, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

None of this matters...Robert Gates SecDef gave a great speech: http://www.pentagonchannel.mil/

Posted by: daydream1 | July 29, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

jhower,

Monty obviously went to the trouble of educating you about the case's history in an effort to argue that SCOTUS's ruling was incorrect.

No one is disputing that SCOTUS ruled in favor of the BSA. The argument is that they were erroneous in doing so.

This is why I refuse to argue morals or ethics with you. Monty should be applauded for so patiently trying to walk you through this, but I am pretty sure the effort is useless. It is not that you disagree with the argument Monty is making - you do not even know what the argument is. You are, as Pauli put it, "not even wrong."

Posted by: esaugladstone | July 29, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

jhower1,

"The fact that you are overlooking though is that all private organizations can receive that kind support if they ask for it."

Sorry but you are wrong, the only private organizations that can ask for some, but not all, of those forms of support are ones that do not discriminate. For all the reasons that I gave before the BSA should NOT be considered Private, unless it renounces it's charter, the honorary leader should not be a sitting US President. They should get absolutely no government support as long as the discriminate.

I know of no other PRIVATE organization that received it's charter from the US Congress and no other PRIVATE organization that has a sitting US President as their honorary leader.

For what other PRIVATE organizations has the US congress demanded that local and state governments to continue to support them even though there are rules and laws against government agencies supporting any discriminatory organizations?

Posted by: MontyGaither | July 29, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

jhower1,

"The fact that you are overlooking though is that all private organizations can receive that kind support if they ask for it."

Sorry but you are wrong, the only private organizations that can ask for some, but not all, of those forms of support are ones that do not discriminate. For all the reasons that I gave before the BSA should NOT be considered Private, unless it renounces it's charter, the honorary leader should not be a sitting US President. They should get absolutely no government support as long as the discriminate.

I know of no other PRIVATE organization that received it's charter from the US Congress and no other PRIVATE organization that has a sitting US President as their honorary leader.

For what other PRIVATE organizations has the US congress demanded that local and state governments to continue to support them even though there are rules and laws against government agencies supporting any discriminatory organizations?

Posted by: MontyGaither | July 29, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

jhower1,

"The fact that you are overlooking though is that all private organizations can receive that kind support if they ask for it."

Sorry but you are wrong, the only private organizations that can ask for some, but not all, of those forms of support are ones that do not discriminate. For all the reasons that I gave before the BSA should NOT be considered Private, unless it renounces it's charter, the honorary leader should not be a sitting US President. They should get absolutely no government support as long as the discriminate.

I know of no other PRIVATE organization that received it's charter from the US Congress and no other PRIVATE organization that has a sitting US President as their honorary leader.

For what other PRIVATE organizations has the US congress demanded that local and state governments to continue to support them even though there are rules and laws against government agencies supporting any discriminatory organizations?

Posted by: MontyGaither | July 29, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"Gerald Ford couldn't fit it into his schedule either. Why not call Ford "anti-Scout?" Why not call out Dwight Eisenhower, who missed at least two Jamborees? Why not Ronald Reagan, who couldn't find time for a Scout Jamboree in eight years?"

ED DARRELL, At least one that Eisenhower missed was due to illness. He did attended the last one. VP Nixon went in his place for the two he missed. Reagan was recovering from cancer for one Jambo and sent Nancy in his place. Both Bush (W) and Clinton missed one due to heavy storms but both attended one nexy go round. Ford did not have a Jambo during his term. Hope that helps.

Posted by: Kati3 | August 2, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

momsuptoolate, "I am very proud to have two sons in attendance at this Jamboree. My 13-year old has been saying all year "I will remember this my whole life". He was expecting The President."

Excellent post, my one 13 year old at the Jambo was also expecting President and is dissapointed too.

Posted by: Kati3 | August 2, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

According to the Boy Scouts of America, their demographics are 75% White and 12% Black. If the demo's were reversed, 75% Black and 12% White, do you think Obama would have shown up?

Posted by: ronldg333 | August 2, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

My 2 sons are at the jambo and have just called. They said Obama's taped message was roundly booed. No winners here. A truly sad state of affairs.

Posted by: jmlett7 | August 3, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

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