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Cuccinelli: Va. police can ask about immigration status

Rosalind Helderman

Updated, 5:29 p.m.: Law enforcement officials in Virginia can inquire into immigration status of those they stop or arrest--just as they can under a controversial new immigration law in Arizona--Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli has ruled in an official legal opinion.

Written in response to a request for legal advice from Del. Bob Marshall (R-Prince William), Cuccinelli ruled that police officers and other legal authorities can look into the immigration status of anyone stopped or arrested.

A 2008 Virginia law requires that law enforcement check the immigration status of anyone taken into custody on suspicion of having committed a separate crime. Cuccinelli's opinion could expand such inquiries to those who have been legally stopped by law enforcement, for instance those pulled over for a traffic violation or at a police checkpoint.

(Coverage of the Arizona law)

Cuccinelli writes in the July 30 opinion that while local law enforcement have the ability to arrest those they suspect of committing criminal violations of immigration laws but not those they believe have violated civil immigration statutes. But he says inquiring into status is different than arresting for a violation and that law enforcement can inquire. While it is a crime to illegally cross the border, many other immigration violations are civil offense, like overstaying a valid visa.

"Virginia law enforcement officers have the authority to make the same inquiries as those contemplated by the new Arizona law. So long as the officers have the requisite level of suspicion to believe that a violation of the law has occurred, the officers may detain and briefly question a person they suspect has committed a federal crime," he writes.

In Virginia, official opinions of the attorney general are considered law unless a judge disagrees with the legal analysis after an opinion has been challenged in court.

Cuccinelli's opinion is legal guidance for local law enforcement and does not require them to act. But those on both sides of the decision believe that it provides law enforcement the legal authority to begin checking the status of immigrants immediately, if they wish.

The opinion is sure to widen a debate over illegal immigration in Virginia, where activists have said they wish to enact similar legislation to that adopted in Arizona. A federal judge has blocked key provisions of the Arizona law, including a provision that requires law enforcement to inquire about immigration status of those they have a "reasonable suspicion" might be in the country illegally. Cuccinelli filed an amicus brief supporting Arizona's position over that state's law.

(Profile of Cuccinelli)

Cuccinelli's opinion was criticized by Claire Guthrie Gastanaga, a former chief deputy attorney general of Virginia and advocate for pro-immigration organizations.

"The Attorney General has done Virginians a disservice by crafting a result oriented 'activist judge' opinion that seeks to serve his personal political agenda rather than objectively interpret the law. The opinion closely tracks the advocacy position that the AG took in his amicus brief in the Arizona case -- a position rejected by the federal judge. The Attorney General's stance largely mirrors the position of advocates for organizations, like [the Federation of American Immigration Reform], seeking to reduce or prohibit all immigration," she said in a statement.

FAIR representatives have been working with Virginia activists who want to adopt a law mirroring Arizona's.

This post has been updated since it was first published.

By Rosalind S. Helderman  |  August 2, 2010; 5:29 PM ET
Categories:  Immigration , Ken Cuccinelli , Rosalind Helderman  
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Comments

While I am a Democrat and have never voted for Cucinelli (he was my State Senator) and likely never will, I applaud this interpretation of the law and this new policy. Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers, plain and simple, with no right to be here. They should be questioned when found, arrested, and deported quickly and without ceremony or concern. Period.

(By the way, I am a Democrat who, like many, is rapidly becoming disgusted and disillusioned by my party's lunge to the far-left under Obama.)

Posted by: GaryDL | August 2, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Discrimination to the enth degree. It is profiling put into legal terminology. The police should be required to ask everyone they stop to prove their citizenship. Disgraceful.

Posted by: quilter1 | August 2, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

if you want to really get serious on illegal immigration, all you have to do is go to employers and make sure they have verified the status of all of their employee.

when employers stop hiring illegal aliens, there will be no reason for them to come here.

the idea of arbitrary status checks by police smacks of discrimination. not every illegal alien cant speak english or looks foriegn. there are white canadians in this country taking american jobs without proper visas.

once again cuccinelli is placing partisan politics over common sense and whats right.

Posted by: MarilynManson | August 2, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Let's see if there is a surge in high-speed chases.

Posted by: jckdoors | August 2, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I have a hard time understanding how it is "profiling" to question a Hispanic's status at a time when the vast majority of illegals - by common knowledge - are Hispanic. I concede that a very few citizens and a few Canadians (who I have never heard being part of the illegal problem) may also be questioned---but that is a small price to pay for the enforcement of the law, especially if you have nothing to hide!

Posted by: GaryDL | August 2, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

A number of commenters miss the essential point: these people are ILLEGAL and have NO RIGHT to be here. They are LAWBREAKERS and must be treated as such. Period.

Posted by: GaryDL | August 2, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

@GaryDL: While I generally agree with you, the problem with laws like this is that it leads to large communities of people not trusting the police, and lead to a surge in crime.

I would have no problem with hiring more CBP officials that patrol areas and use some criteria to identify illegal immigrants. But, the job of the police should be only to identify and protect against real criminals, and not to enforce immigration laws that may alienate communities of millions of people.

Mixing criminal law enforcement with immigration law enforcement when we already have millions of illegal immigrants will lead to problems like: (1) high-speed car chases as @jckdoors indicated, and (2) illegal immigrants not reporting serious crimes when they see them. I'm sure that if you got mugged, and the only witness was an illegal immigrant, you would want him/her to testify without fear of being deported.

We do have a problem with illegal immigration, and it needs to be dealt with appropriately. Unfortunately, using police to enforce immigration laws is just a bad idea.

Posted by: JimmyB2 | August 2, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I respect your view, JimmyB2, and do not really disagree, but the cold hard reality is that no level of government is going to hire the number of CBP officers needed to do the job. So we are left with only one solution - the police. Admittedly not perfect, but it is all we have. Frankly, I have never been a victim of crime and do not think that the slim chance I will be, coupled with the even slimmer chance that the sole witness will be an illegal Hispanic, is enough to make me sit back and do nothing about the current crop of individuals who are criminals due to their violation of the immigration status and their illegal status. Sorry---the solution is arrest and deportation (and then I suspect crime in a good number of locales will drop) by whatever means we now have - and that is the police, for better or worse.

Posted by: GaryDL | August 2, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

National ID……..Required to work in the U.S.A……..

Sanctuary cities shall receive no Federal or State funds…….

Anyone, Individual or Corporation that hires an illegal shall:

1. Be fined $10,000.00 for ‘each’ offense…..
2. Mandatory 1 year in jail for individuals on each offense…..
3. Mandatory 1 year in jail for all officers of the corporation on each offense …...

DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS………..

Re-enter after deportation; MANDATORY 20 year prison term….

Above all; we must stop the ‘anchor’ babies from receiving citizenship….

Posted by: UpAndOver | August 2, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Twice in one day Ken C. comes through for the Commonwealth!

Posted by: Glock23 | August 2, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat, and I support cracking down on illegal immigration. Citizenship should have a value.

BTW, there are only three races: White, black and asian. Hispanics are in the "white" category.

Posted by: ihateregistration1 | August 2, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Good job, VA. Good bye, Illegals.

Posted by: ericroks | August 2, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see the economic effect of this.

Posted by: shenriquez84 | August 2, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Would I have to carry my immunization card with me? Or a proof of health insurance because the reform requires everyone to carry health insurance? Or carry a proof that I have paid the federal and state taxes?

I mean, not being current with immunization could amount to terrorism via spread of a disease and cause a scourge!

Posted by: kishorgala | August 2, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

GaryDL perhaps you would agree that the police should be able to check whether you have properly filed your taxes with the IRS when they pull you over for speeding, I mean lets get those LAWBREAKERS too.

Posted by: crete | August 2, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Law enforcement officials in Virginia can inquire into immigration status of those they stop or arrest--just as they can under a controversial new immigration law in Arizona--Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli has ruled in an official legal opinion.
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I thought the Arizona judge ruled that it was illegal to ask for the immigration status!

Posted by: kishorgala | August 2, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Virginia needs to stop this BS, as Maryland is being overrun by the illegals you are getting rid of. Enough already or I will have to move to there myself.

Posted by: StLou | August 2, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse


ICE has 19,000 employees to handle immigration and customs issues; not nearly enough to tackle the immigration problem. State and local law enforcement must be used to address the problem.

Posted by: nuke41 | August 2, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Virginia needs to stop this BS, as Maryland is being overrun by the illegals you are getting rid of. Enough already or I will have to move to there myself.

Posted by: StLou | August 2, 2010 12:43 PM

Come on down StLou, Welcome!!

Posted by: Glock23 | August 2, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

its about time to enforce the law. I settled here legally after a gruelling 11 years going thru work visa, GC and then citizenship.

Its hard to see people can just sneak in thru Mexico US border and then the politicians grant them amnesty and whatever and forget about the people who are in the queue to be here legally .. Pathetic ..

if somebody wants to live here they can better come in from the mexico-US border than go thru the grilling process of legally becoming a citizen based on the current situation please stop this

Posted by: pp1123 | August 2, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The federal government regulates drugs through the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) (21 U.S.C. § 811), which does not recognize the difference between medical and recreational use of marijuana.

Sounds like we have a patchwork of state regulated laws here that usurp Federal laws but Obama and Holder don't mention that in their biased hypocritical suit of AZ trying desparatley to stand up for the laws of the nations. It’s analogous to Obama's pro illegal immigration foreign national invasion policy - sue those states that enforce the laws; reward those states that break the laws for Obama's and the Democrats' own self centered profit driven and political gains.

The illegal drug cartels make hundreds of billions every year from their distribution networks originating in CA, NM, TX and yes AZ. Those profits feed the reelection coffers of national liberal political anarchists via donations from corrupt drug dealing political activists in those states and their distribution centers in other states. It’s those distribution centers in other states that rely on more illegals aliens to import more drugs and expand their illicit smuggling enterprises within the USA. The money trail is blood red leading all the way to the Congress and the blood stained hands of corrupt pro illegal immigration politicians.

The next time you your congressman of Senator, those like Luis Gutierrez, Gerry Connolly, Jim Moron, Lindsay Graham and Markie Warner, check the stains on their hands especially when they’re touting their open borders shamnesty agenda.

Posted by: Patriot12 | August 2, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

if you want to really get serious on illegal immigration, all you have to do is go to employers and make sure they have verified the status of all of their employee.
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Unfortunately, that is not possible since verification (E-Verify and SSN Verification) is voluntary.

Congress has so watered down the "employer accountability" sections of our immigration laws they are worthless.

An employer need only look at the documents - if they "look genuite to an untrained eye" the employer is off the hook, even if they KNOW the documents are fake. It is a huge loop hole and corrupt employers know exactly how to use it to their advantage.

I would like to see E-Verify and SSN Verification mandated nationwide, not only in the workplace, but in all government agencies. I would also like to see prime contractors held responsible when their subs game the system and pass off subs as legally authorized to work when they are illegal.

Today, if the sub plays the prime, the prime is off the hook. If the prime is held responsible for his/her subs, they should take the heat, and then use the courts system to go after the subs for the fines and other damages.

Unfortunately, no one in our government - from the county to the state to the federal levels - will ever hold businesses accountable. Businesses are the mainstay for their political contributions and political campaigns NEED money - a lot of money.

Posted by: asmith1 | August 2, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli - odumbo's biggest nightmare...

Posted by: civilemik | August 2, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Consider for a moment how Mexico and most other countries would treat anyone how was an illegal alien in their country.

- Illegal entry into Mexico is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of Mexico without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in the U.S.

- Mexican Law enforcement officials at all levels -- by national mandate -- must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens' arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

- Mexico's National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens' identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico's “Ley General de Población” (General Law of the Population). There's been no public clamor for "comprehensive immigration reform" in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited in Mexico. Under the Mexican Constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Non-citizens cannot "in any way participate in the political affairs of the country." In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners also have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

Doesn't sound like they feel they owe anything to illegals in their country. So why do we think we should.....

Posted by: dbmn1 | August 2, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Finally, a bureaucrat with a backbone!!

Posted by: MRGB | August 2, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

ICE has 19,000 employees to handle immigration and customs issues; not nearly enough to tackle the immigration problem. State and local law enforcement must be used to address the problem.
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They don't even need that many people to deal with illegal aliens, if they just cut off the free passes to tax funded benefits and services through local and state agencies. E-Verify and SSN Verification is already in place. It's not that difficult to set up the program (I've done it).

Once in place, all applicants can be screened - if they don't meet the requirements, they are rejected.

The Database Admin can run a query of the database to pull up all applications without a SSN or GC number and review, closing the accounts of all applicants that do not meet the requirements.

NOTE: Illegal aliens are prohibited from applyin for tax funded benefits for themselves or their anchor babies. The anchor babies are not entitled to these benefits until they are of the legal age to apply on their own behalf.

To some, this may seem cold and heartless. To most, it's correcting an error - despite the length of time it has been allowed to continue.

It's time that illegal aliens do what they say they are here to do - work to take care of their families, without taking handouts from anyone.

Posted by: asmith1 | August 2, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I've got no problem with this interpretation. If any officer wants to ask me at any given time about my status, I'm sure that as soon as he hears my American accent, he'll be satisfied that I'm here legally. However, if that isn't enough, I'll be happy to show him my valid US passport.

I've already discussed this with my foreign-born wife. She's okay with it as well. She'll be happy to show the nice officer her Naturalization certificate and US passport.

If you're here legally, why would a request for proof of status be an issue, especially since it is a legal requirement under existing law that you always have it with you?

Posted by: JoStalin | August 2, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I wish the AG would do something about the multi-generational Section 8 recipients.

The Section 8 recipients view these benefits as a lifelong entitlement. Have more kids, get more money. Free housing & medical included.

This is lunacy. I can understand temporary assistance for ONE child but not for an entire family for years on end. It's no wonder we have able-bodied adults living on the dole for all of their lives.

Where is the enforcement???

Posted by: TooManyPeople | August 2, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I only wish we hand someone like that in Maryland that would look out for their CITIZENS! Pandering for potential future voting base may just lose you your current base. Americans are out of jobs and we are attempting to accommodate people that broke our laws over American CITIZENS???? HELL NO! Jobs for American Citizens!!!!!!

Posted by: noneckmd | August 2, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli: Attention, my fellow Right Wing Nut Jobs - I've just OK'd Gestapo powers for Virginia. Police can detain you now on "reasonable suspicion" formed by their subjective opinion of you and no facts other than your skin color, and make you produce your papers to be released.

I've just overturned the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Those detained because an officer has a feeling they could be illegal, are guilty until proven innocent. I know you are pleased now...

- Balkingpoints / www

Posted by: RField7 | August 2, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Sounds good to me although I live in Maryland and I'm sure the illegals will just migrate here.

Posted by: cleancut77 | August 2, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The dangerous border naturally selects those immigrants who are risk-lovers or danger-blind. Not all Hispanics are so, but the proportion of illegal immigrants who just don't play it safe is higher than that found in the general population.

That's partially why a man with three DUIs will get behind the wheel and slam head-on into early morning traffic. The journey home after so much alcohol is dangerous just like the border crossing through the desert was dangerous, and he survived that trip.

A recognition of the hardships and dangers that immigrants have faced to get here might be beneficial in helping them acclimate while maintaining community safety standards.

Posted by: blasmaic | August 2, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The Cooch rocks!! As one who voted for him, I will graciously accept your thanks and esteem.

Posted by: kbarker302 | August 2, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

@GaryDL you're kidding, right? There is no way you are who you claim to be. You sound like something just right of Attila the Hun.

Posted by: 44fx290 | August 2, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

This "interpretation" by our brilliant Constitutional expert Ken "I've never tried a case" Cuccinelli is nothing more than a ticket to stop anyone for any reason without probable cause that a crime has been committed. Can you prove at a traffic stop that you are a U.S. citizen or in the country legally? I doubt it unless you happen to carry your passport at all times like I do. The police, for the most party, are not smart enough to know how to enforce such a ridiculous "opinion." This guy should be impeached.

What's really going on: This is this guy's pathetic non-stop self-aggrandizing campaign for governor. How about concentrating on the law instead of campaigning.? That would be refreshing.

Posted by: patryot | August 2, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Dear GaryDL, join the GOP, we don't want people like you.

Posted by: Not2Late2Change | August 2, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The article should probably mention that the AG has simply said they MAY ask about status. He has not required it, as in Arizona. What is the contrary position, that cops can't ask about immigration status? Jeez.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | August 2, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

His "rulings" range from outrageous to embarrassing. This is an embarrassment. I believe his view of he law is based upon personal beliefs and not the constitution. I hope VA can suvive him without too much damage.

Posted by: lookingtofind | August 2, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Someone arrest the Cooch. He's deliberating undermining the Constitution and has violated his oath of office. Arrest him for treason.

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | August 2, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

How dare the police be given license to enforce the law. It's outrageous!

Posted by: HughJassPhD | August 2, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli sounds foreign to me. Better take him in for questioning

Posted by: PepperDr | August 2, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

We need the immigrants in this country to compete with the unemployed who are ready willing and able to work for min wages.
The Washington Post should as Slick Willie Clinton what he thinks of the 24 million unemployed while Willie is now worth more than 100 million dollars since he left the Presidency.

Posted by: umt123 | August 2, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok, how does this work? Say I get pulled over in my BMW for doing 57 in a 55 mph zone. The cop's suspicions are aroused by my blatant disregard for speed limits (used to the autobahn), foreign car, blond hair, blue eyes, and otherwise Nordic appearance. Fearing that I am an illegal German immigrant, he asks me for my immigration status. I tell him that I am a U.S. citizen. Not convinced, he asks me how many homers Duke Snider hit in Shibe Park last year. Not hearing the correct answer, he demands to see my papers. Given that I do not carry my birth certificate with me, I have no proof to show him. What does he do now? Does he have the right to detain me until he can confirm that I am indeed a U.S. citizen?

Posted by: posttoastie1 | August 2, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

We also need to look at this as a public health and safety issue.

1) Look at the list of diseases that legal immigrants and those applying for visas are checked for. Are illegal going through them? No. Are they current on vaccines? Doubtful.

2) Visas - another way to be here illegally is through overstaying a visa. Go back to 9-11 and check how many involved were here on expired visas. Last attempt in NYC - at least two of the accomplices were here questionably (one was an expired visa and the other's status was being looked into). In March of this year, there was a student visa scam that allowed up to 200 (depending on the report) Middle Eastern students to come here and most never attended the "school" and have dropped off the map. There are estimates of up to 15,000 illegal Irish in NYC.

There are also other things that people wishing to come here legally have to go through, prove, etc. Are those hopping the border doing it? No.

Yes the sheer numbers of illegals coming from south of the border is insane. However, look at the BIG picture. There is more to illegal immigration than just "a Mexican Thing." It is an issue for everyone with just the majority coming from South of the Border.

If legal immigration had to be good enough for my relatives who came here during this little event called - oh WWII - then it needs to be good enough for everyone.

There are ways to apply for asylum, use it. (That argument about safety in homeland). Do not insult all those who came here legally buy flaunting our laws.

Remember the public security and health issues.

Remember that illegal is illegal regardless of where the person is from or how they became illegal. Target them all and not just one group.

Remember that Mexico does not adhere to our No Fly List (last I checked) and what a great way for those wishing serious harm to the US to come in. Coyotes do not care who they "help" as long as the pay is good.

Posted by: Homemom | August 2, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

@GaryDL, and many others: I see your points, but I am still of the belief that using the same police force to enforce criminal law and immigration law is a very bad idea as it potentially alienates the entire Hispanic population in the US. Police forces are most effective if almost everybody in the community trusts them, and a handful of bad apples don't.

But regardless, I would like to understand the circumstances where having police ask for immigration documents is going to help. Don't police already ask for identification regularly if they have reason to suspect that you have committed a crime? If they just have a way to verify the identification for authenticity, why even bother asking for immigration status? AFAIK, it is not possible in Virginia to get a driver's license, etc. without showing proof that you are in the country legally -- I believe that is true for most states. Why do we need to explicitly ask about immigration status and create this "controversy"? Why not leave that job to the CBP, the DMV, etc.?

Posted by: JimmyB2 | August 2, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The Virginia AG is just applying the existing Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals precedent case law in Gonzalez V City of Peoria (AZ),722 F.2d 468. Have to wonder why Judge Susan Bolton didn't feel the need to to or cite in her preliminary injunction. http://openjurist.org/722/f2d/468/gonzales-v-city-of-peoria

Posted by: johnplover1 | August 2, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

When I got stopped for speeding recently and the officer ran a check on me, he was checking to see if I had any other crimes. Should that be illegal? I'm sure on the records that he checked, it said somewhere that I'm a U.S. citizen - that's how I got my driver's license in the first place (back before any illegal could just walk in a get a license).

Nobody - citizen, naturalized individual, or illegal alien - has the absolute 100% right to simply do whatever they want in this country. If you've truly got nothing to hide, you won't have any trouble respecting authority. That's the difference between being legal and illegal - respecting authority.

Posted by: mssnatchquatch | August 2, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli, eh?

Your papers, please ... you sound too "ethnic" for me. Let's deport you to Italy. Or Argentina.

Posted by: bs2004 | August 2, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@koolkat_1960

So I guess a 130 IQ who did "those jobs" for years while working my way through college is a slack jawed Republican? And I would go back to "those jobs" again if I had to in order to pay bills. Many of the people I know who did "those jobs" in school are very intelligent conservatives. And we would all do them again if needed. No shame in a job well done - regardless of how lowly others may consider it.

Posted by: Homemom | August 2, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

So when do we get the VA AG's "expert" opinion on what a "real" Americans or "real" immigrants look like? Blonde hair, blue eyes and pale skin?

Why not just force the "suspicious" ones to wear an armband with some kind of insignia on it? Maybe yellow with an open star? And maybe just to keep an eye on them, they can rounded up, restricted to certain neighborhoods, not allowed to work or ride transportation or shop? And gee... maybe they shouldn't be allowed to own property or furniture or artwork or silver or gold? And you know, just for good measure, maybe people who try to help them should be rounded up as well. Maybe they all should be put on trains and sent to the hinterlands where they could work to get their freedom. (It always sounds better in the original German, Arbeit Macht Frei.)

Amerika, das schöne...

Posted by: jade_7243 | August 2, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The writers of these radical anti-immigration (legal or otherwise) bills like to pal around with the Ku Klux Klan. The gullible sponsor of the Arizona legislation, Russell Pearce, was even photographed with the Grand Dragon. Catch a clue!

Posted by: BobinAZ | August 2, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

While I am a Democrat and have never voted for Cucinelli (he was my State Senator) and likely never will, I applaud this interpretation of the law and this new policy. Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers, plain and simple, with no right to be here. They should be questioned when found, arrested, and deported quickly and without ceremony or concern. Period.

(By the way, I am a Democrat who, like many, is rapidly becoming disgusted and disillusioned by my party's lunge to the far-left under Obama.)

Posted by: GaryDL
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If you were ever a Democrat (which I doubt) who voted for Obama (ditto), then you are getting exactly what you voted for.

I'm totally sick and tired of people referring to Obama;s "far-left", "Marxist" and/or "Socialist" agenda since they never get around to explaining exactly which policies of Obama have earned thaose labels.

Even if you are a Democrat, you misrepresent in two ways:

1. Most of the Democrats who express dissatisfaction with Obama feel he hasn't been liberal enough.

2. The number of Democrats who are ready to pull the GOP lever in November is minuscule, as any close reading of the polling data will show.

Posted by: st50taw | August 2, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

As in everything in our capitalist society, follow the $. Bring down the businesses that hire illegals. No jobs for illegals = no illegals. Plus you kill two birds w/ one stone: You rid this country not only of illegals, but the scumbag businesses and proprieters who support them.

Posted by: KJR1 | August 2, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Go Virginia we support you. End the madness and enforce our laws.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | August 2, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

forgot the "stop & frisk" approach, it's a guaranteed fail.

like a previous poster said: "go after the employers."

the illegals are a symptom. These contractors are the cause. It infringes on their free will, right? BS! That's like saying "well, i decided to buy booze from this moonshiner because it's cheaper." It's still illegal.

what's more effective? punishing the hooker, or punishing the John?

Posted by: Please_Fix_VAs_Roads | August 2, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

We need a nationalize ID program. We don't need border, fence. That is just unrealistic to enforce thousand miles of border. For those said no enforcing of anything, please come up with a working solution. With the rate of doing anything, we might as well annex Mexico and the rest of South America. Start learning Spanish and those who still want to speak English, go back to England.

Posted by: drkly | August 2, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

So is Cuccinelli the new dim-witted "Freddo?" Is he trying to take that pride of place from whatshisname, the 9/11 governor from NY?

Posted by: Kelly14 | August 2, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how many so-called good Christians - including Cuccinelli himself - talk and act like jackbooted fascists.

I wonder on which their vaunted Jesus would be if he were alive today, the so-called "illegals" or their KKK oppressors?

Posted by: tess9 | August 2, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

If a few legals have to be inconvenienced so that illegals are discovered, that's life. Common sense must prevail. This isn't an issue of racial profiling...it's all about wanting free reign and free benefits. Play the race card in hopes of scaring off those opposed to illegal immigration. Successful to this point but people have caught on to it...the race card is losing its power...America is finally starting to fight back...

Posted by: jplegend | August 2, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This IS FANTASTIC!!!!

So when I am detained because I carry only my driver's license and not carry my passport, birth certificate, and social security card, I can make millions because I was driving Brown. At first, I thought I would have to spend 500 dollars just to get an airplane ticket to go to Phoenix but I can do this in MY OWN BACKYARD!!! AWESOME!!!! Thanks Virginia for making me rich!!!!

Posted by: paliceag | August 2, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Crete---I have absolutely no problem with showing the police or whomever that I have paid my taxes and am a citizen. I have nothing to hide---and if that minor inconvenience is the price of ridding us of illegals, then so be it.

Posted by: GaryDL | August 2, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

(By the way, I am a Democrat who, like many, is rapidly becoming disgusted and disillusioned by my party's lunge to the far-left under Obama.)

Posted by: GaryDL
*******************************************If you are really a Democrat (which I doubt) who voted for Obama (ditto), then why are you upset that Obama's policies are pretty much what he campaigned on? Furthermore, you misrepresent Democrats in two ways:

1. Most Democrats who are at all disenchanted with Obama feel that way because he has not been liberal enough.

2. You and the rest of the complainers have utterly failed to demonstrate what it is about Obama's policies that make them "far left", Marxist", "Socialist" or whatever pejorative you favor.

Posted by: st50taw | August 2, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Have you noticed that the people who cry racism or accuse others of being Nazis or in the KKK are the true racists?

Posted by: HughJassPhD | August 2, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

If a few legals have to be inconvenienced so that illegals are discovered, that's life. Common sense must prevail. This isn't an issue of racial profiling...it's all about wanting free reign and free benefits. Play the race card in hopes of scaring off those opposed to illegal immigration. Successful to this point but people have caught on to it...the race card is losing its power...America is finally starting to fight back...

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If you mean that a few illegals should have their civil violated, then you are in favor of a selective reading of the Constitution. You're totally within your rights to hold that opinion, but let's be perfectly clear about what it means.

Posted by: st50taw | August 2, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"I have a hard time understanding how it is "profiling" to question a Hispanic's status at a time when the vast majority of illegals - by common knowledge - are Hispanic." -- wrote GaryDL

Perhaps he should just re-read what he wrote, essentially saying that "if you see a Hispanic person, you can believe 'by common knowledge' that they are here illegal." [Author's note: That my friends is racial or ethnic profiling.] "Of course that only applies to the Hispanics who 'look' Hispanic, because, you know... you can spot 'em at 20 paces." [Author's note: Never mind about the ones who look Canadian or Irish or Russian or Polish or Australian or Kiwi.] "Yep, you can pretty much count on it that those ones that look Hispanic are 'illegals.' They just are. 'Looking' Hispanic is reason enough to doubt their legitimacy, because you know, 'the vast majority' don't look American enough to be Americans so that's how you tell. That and their shoes."

Posted by: jade_7243 | August 2, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

@ HughJassPhD

Do tell. Explain these racists to us, oh please. You are the font of all wisdom, the orb of insight. Enlighten us (if you'll excuse the pun).

Posted by: 44fx290 | August 2, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Another, brave, American hero who puts America's welfare above that of the chronic lawbreakers of foreign nationality that have flooded the fruited plain.

America is in danger of being broken apart along lines of language and culture. 20,000,000 outlaw "immigrants" here and tens of millions more waiting to migrate northward, is way, way beyond immigration.

It is an international, population shift of nation destroying proportion.

This is part of the change Obama meant.

Posted by: battleground51 | August 2, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

With these kind of crackdowns "smart" illegals will clean up their act and be on their best behavior. Those not so smart will soon be triped up, rounded up and deported. Either way the state wins.

Posted by: slim2 | August 2, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

To those who find a hard time understanding why allowing police to verify immigration status when stopping someone for another offence - have you forgotten or did your schools never teach you how Nazi Germany started forcing Jews to wear the 6 point star? Is this what you want here? I shudder when I think of how willing you all are to give the civil liberties of others - remember the circle widens - and one day it will include you - I'd like to see at what point you will think this is wrong. If you are wondering by the way - I AM a citizen of this country.

Posted by: madhulikag | August 2, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

if you want to stop illegal immigration, make businesses verify employement eligibility status and fine those who hire illegals.

if you want to harass and discriminate against Latino's, encourage cops to question their immigration status during routine traffic stops.

As a nation of immigrants, there are plenty of Russian, Irish, African, Eastern European, Canadian, Chinese, Italian (check Cucinellis papers) Korean, etc who are working in this country without the proper visas. to be fair, you would have to inspect EVERYONES papers.

It's too much to expect every person in the US to constantly carry around their proof of citizenship papers nor is it feasible for your average policeman to be on top of immigration law.

The fight against illegal immigration belongs where they work. that is why they come here in the first place.

The idea of targeting spanish speaking people thru traffic stop tells me that
Cuccinelli just doesn't like Latinos. that's all this is about.

Posted by: MarilynManson | August 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Wait 'till Obama, Holder, Pelosi and Reid hear about this.

Posted by: JAH3 | August 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Liberals try to make dissent, or enforcing existing laws impossible by labelling everyone as a "racist" or a xenophobe. They are targetting ILLEGAL immigrants. When you see the signs of leftists saying "don't be anti immigrant" do you not feel guilty about lying? People oppose ILLEGAL immigration. Other countries enforce their rules much more rigorously, especially in europe and Mexico.

Posted by: scoran | August 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone bothered to read the opinion?

It only says that the police can make an inquiry about the status. It accounts only to harassment; but of course, any illegal immigrant who will be stopped, detained, and released, WILL leave the commonwealth.

Posted by: Silly_Willy_Bulldog | August 2, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Nov. 2010 will show how the voters feel about illegal immigration!!! Try going to another country like Mexico illegally and see what happens to your sorry butt!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | August 2, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Go Virginia we support you. End the madness and enforce our laws.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown
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Come on, conservatives: get smart and leave the naked racism at home!

This is pure grandstanding and approaches the realm of unfunded mandates, you know, those legislative/administrative "requirements" that don't get accompanied with dollars you conservatives love so much. Cooch just gave local LE in VA an unfunded "mandate," and guess what? They're going to ignore it, as they are permitted to by law.

Unlike SB1070 in AZ, which required local LE to act, Cooch has said (debatably) that local LE have the ability to check immigration status in VA. The reality is that local LE is too lean and does not have the resources or training to take on this additional research and processing burden. They're not going to do it; or, if a few true xenophobes in the force start doing it selectively, that'll be shot down in a minute by any court in the land.

Cooch knows all this and recognizes a cheap opportunity to cash in on the "popularity" of these anti-illegal citizen, scapegoating campaigns that are all the rage in conservative circles this election season. The beauty of his current tact is that there are few negative consequences because nothing is required and nothing will really change.

Posted by: abqcleve | August 2, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: madhulikag
“To those who find a hard time understanding why allowing police to verify immigration status when stopping someone for another offence…….”.

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Have you ever lived in any other 1st world nation? When the police stop you for a speeding ticket and realize you aren’t Japanese, Swiss, German, English, French, etc; they ask you for proof your in the country legally. If you can’t produce that you’re hauled off to jail and deported. The US is just getting in line with what every other civilized nation already does as a matter of routine.

Posted by: nuke41 | August 2, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I bet if you asked any native American we are all illegal immigrants.

Moreover, until 1848 California, New Mexico and other portions of the Southwest (Arizona) were internationally recognized provinces of free Mexico, until the U.S. decided it wanted those provinces, declared war on Mexico, and stole them.

Perhaps now Mexicans simply want a share in what is legally theirs.

Posted by: waxtraxs | August 2, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

" have a hard time understanding how it is "profiling" to question a Hispanic's status at a time when the vast majority of illegals - by common knowledge - are Hispanic"

A friend of mine -- by law full-blood Indian, employee of the Smithsonian, was once stopped on the NY thruway on suspicion of being an illegal Hispanic ("driving while Spic" was his description).

Well, yes, his maternal great-great-great-grandfather was probably Castilian Spanish, captured by the Comanches in about 1820, while his paternal great-grandfather was possibly also a captive.

But both were born before Texas was a state; both were recognized as members of the Comanches Nation -- indeed, the former was the oldest Comanche when he died.

Being Comanche has nothing to do with race. But being Comanche has everything to do with being American.

tk
Esimotsotaivo

Posted by: tkavanag | August 2, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

If you're white and tan easily, better not work on that tan this summer...might get stopped on suspicion of being in the country illegally.

The floodgates of the immigration zoo have officially sprung wide open.

Posted by: dc1020008 | August 2, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

At least 20 states have pending laws, identical or similar to the Arizona law. Every one of them should pass them and simply drown the federal government. Something like 70% of voters want every illegal AND THEIR ANCHOR BABIES rounded up and deported. There are good legal reasons for thinking that the children of illegals are not US citizens and that needs to be brought before the Supreme Court. And, please stop with the racism accusations. We have a large and nicely integrated Hispanic population in this country that doesn't act as mules for Mexico's drug cartels, engage in wholesale identity theft, work under the table, or run amuck at baseball games with a Mexican flag. Also, not all illegals are Mexican or South America. We have plenty of Asians (mostly Korean, Indian, and CHinese) , Russians, and other. ALL OF THEM, need to actively sought out and arrested. Federal law mandates a *minimum* 6 month prison sentence and a fine for the first infraction, those doubling for each subsequent infraction. Uphold the law. Establish barbed wire prison camps, just as they have in western European countries, and make life a living hell for illegals. They WILL get the idea and they will self deport.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 2, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Eric Holder is preparing a lawsuit against this decision. We can't allow police to enforce the law now, can we??

Posted by: Chippewa | August 2, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I have always been proud to be a native Virginian, but I've been profoundly ashamed ever since this KKKook and his boss were voted into office. The only saving grace is that when people snicker about the politics in my current state, I can now respond, "Yeah, well at least I don't still live in Virginia."

BTW, KKKookinelli's opinion states that law enforcement CAN check the status of those it suspects to be illegals. But a close family member of mine is a high-ranking cop in one of the state's larger towns, and he says you can bet that very few cops WILL be willing to waste their time & resources doing so.

Posted by: jonfromcali | August 2, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

How dare the police be given license to enforce the law. It's outrageous!
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Yes, it is outrageous when the law is clearly racist and discriminatory. Of course VA has a rather long history of enforcing racism and discrimination, so what's new.

Posted by: vztownes | August 2, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If you're white and tan easily, better not work on that tan this summer...might get stopped on suspicion of being in the country illegally.

The floodgates of the immigration zoo have officially sprung wide open.

Posted by: dc1020008 | August 2, 2010 2:35 PM

I'm white, I tan easily, and I have NO problem proving my citizenship if EVER asked by Law Enforcement.

Posted by: Glock23 | August 2, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Claire Guthrie Gastanaga:

Illegal immigration is illegal. Illegal immigrants will be arrested because they are breaking our laws. What is it about illegal that you do not understand Ms. Gastanaga?

Posted by: hz9604 | August 2, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations Mr. Attorney General. Ken Cuccinelli for President in 2012.

Posted by: aagarwal190 | August 2, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Cucinelli isn't that bright, but this move has broad support from persons of different political viewpoints. Immigration is out of control in this country, and he's just on the "something has to be done" bandwagon. That's fine I guess, as long as the momentum of immigration reform continues.

Posted by: 123cartoon | August 2, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love the 'Cooch. What's next on the ol' agenda today. Hmm, lemme see about dis 'here anti-slavery thing. Toss that out. Abortions? Fuggedaboutit! What's this??? Women are allowed to VOTE? Get back to de kitchen, wench and feed dem kids!! Think I'll break for lunch and head on over to the church meeting. Where's ma' gun?

Posted by: lectricbass | August 2, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever lived in any other 1st world nation? When the police stop you for a speeding ticket and realize you aren’t Japanese, Swiss, German, English, French, etc; they ask you for proof your in the country legally. If you can’t produce that you’re hauled off to jail and deported. The US is just getting in line with what every other civilized nation already does as a matter of routine.

Posted by: nuke41
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Let me see if I understand how this works with conservatives, exactly.

When it comes to Gestapo police-state tactics, emulating Europe and Japan is a good thing.

When it comes to providing effective, cost-efficient health care to all citizens, emulating Europe and Japan is not a good thing.

Come again???!!!!

Posted by: abqcleve | August 2, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

While Claire Guthrie-Gastenaga's quote on the opening screen to this page is abt ("The Attorney General has done Virginians a disservice by crafting a result oriented 'activist judge' opinion that seeks to serve his personal political agenda rather than objectively interpret the law."), it is facile to credit her only as a "pro-immigration advocate." As a former Chief Deputy Attorney General and past Chief of Staff to the Speaker of the House of Delegates, her understanding of the role of an attorney general in this legal context is far greater and more authoritative than represented.

Posted by: ViennaBelle | August 2, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

quilter1 wrote:
"Discrimination to the enth degree. It is profiling put into legal terminology. The police should be required to ask everyone they stop to prove their citizenship. Disgraceful."

No, what is disgraceful is people like quilter1 who are willing to give people a free pass into the country as a prize for successfully crossing the border illegally without being caught. Are we next to let bank robbers get away scot-free if they are not captured in the act inside the bank?

Posted by: ahashburn | August 2, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I am so proud to live in Virginia!

Eric Holder can take a hike.

Posted by: kate19 | August 2, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

President Obama gave an interview to CBS on Sunday, wherein he attempted to explain his stance against Arizona’s SB 1070 Immigration bill. Still no word on whether or not he’s actually read the bill yet, but based on his inane murmurings, I’d have to go with No. But, to be fair, during the interview he did display a few things that he does quite well: shameless lying and absolute hypocrisy. You see, President Obama had the utter gall to say that we shouldn’t demagogue nor politicize a national problem like immigration reform. No, really. My jaw dropped too and I thought to myself “could he possibly be that shameless?” Apparently, yes:

In a CBS interview broadcast Sunday, President Obama slammed approaches to immigration reform he said “demagogue” a “national problem.”

He also defended progress in the administration’s suit against Arizona’s SB 1070 immigration law — an action that states that the controversial measure flouts the federal government’s imperative under the ’supremacy’ clause of the constitution.

Does the Smartest Man Alive ™ not know the meaning of the word demagogue? He is the Demagoguer In Chief and the entire Democrat party falls in demagogue-y lockstep right behind him. Incessant race card playing? Fear mongering? Sound familiar, President? That comes from you and your fellow Democrats who brand anyone who merely disagrees with you on policy - ever- as racist. You also use demagoguing in tandem with fear to politicize every issue and further your own agendas. Remember what you said about the law when first passed, Mr. President? You tried to tell people that they’d be scooped up and whisked away, for no reason whatsoever, when out getting ice cream with their children.

You allowed a foreign leader to demagogue, denigrate and demonize Arizona from our house floor. Democrats not only allowed it, they applauded it and gave Calderon sycophantic, grand-standing ovations. Once again proving they stand up for anything but America. And it was/is Democrats who are actually wearing demagogue jewelry in the form of Arizona bashing bracelets. It is Democrats, including you, Mr. President, who have made fear mongering hyperbole almost an art form. You demagogue to the point of Godwinning yourselves constantly. Plus, you know, the outright lying as contained in this statement made during your interview today:

“What we can’t do is allow a patchwork of 50 different states, or cities or localities, where anybody wants to make a name for themselves suddenly says, ‘I’m going to be anti-immigrant, and I’m going to try to see if I can solve the problem ourself.’”

No one is anti-immigrant. That is an outright lie. There is a difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. You sniff haughtily, in your usual holier than thou manner, about icky people “politicizing” issues. Meanwhile, you actually lie in order to politicize. For a Harvard graduate, you don’t have a great grasp of words nor their meaning.

Posted by: NO-bama | August 2, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

WP always has a picture of Kooki with a crazed look on his face.

Posted by: UnknownHenson | August 2, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like racial profiling. A cop can ALWAYS find an excuse to "stop" someone, then the check can be done. Bet not many white folks will get "stopped" and have their immigration status checked. Thanks, "Cooch", for dragging civil rights back a decade or two.
Guess he will target gays and lesbians next. Ew, that person LOOKS gay, better pull them over.
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And the rest of you, don't worry, your turn will come if "Cooch" doesn't like you.

Posted by: pjohn2 | August 2, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Good step. The GOP had better wake up and start having a policy to stop legal immigration to save jobs, wages, benefits, teacher pensions from the states, and Social Security and Medicare.

Big Legal Immigrationist John Boehner must go if the GOP doesn't win the House, which right now they don't deserve to. Same with Chinese H-1b McConnell.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 2, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Mexican nationals want to control our laws! Do we take this garbage from illegals who have broken our laws?
The illustrious leader that this nation elected in 2008 needs to be replaced!

Posted by: SeniorVet | August 2, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like racial profiling. A cop can ALWAYS find an excuse to "stop" someone, then the check can be done. Bet not many white folks will get "stopped" and have their immigration status checked. Thanks, "Cooch", for dragging civil rights back a decade or two.
Guess he will target gays and lesbians next. Ew, that person LOOKS gay, better pull them over.
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And the rest of you, don't worry, your turn will come if "Cooch" doesn't like you.

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Arizona is currently pulling over just about every bald headed white guy and asking for identification. Where is your outrage? Hypocrite.

Posted by: JDB1 | August 2, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

A republican is supporting an unconstitutional view that encourages bigotry. Who's surprised?

Posted by: omarsidd | August 2, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse
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Typical liberal, refuse's to acknowledge the facts.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20010460-503544.html
Public support for Arizona's controversial new immigration law has increased slightly, a new CBS News poll shows, with 57 percent of Americans characterizing the law as "about right" in the way it addresses the issue of illegal immigration.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/28/2010-07-28_arizona_immigration_law_sb_1070_has_support_of_55_of_americans_new_poll_shows.html
Arizona immigration law SB 1070 has support of 55% of Americans, new poll shows
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/29/poll-finds-california-vot_n_663740.html\
Poll Finds California Voters Support Arizona-Style Immigration Law
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ny times and huffington post are both liberal web sites.

Truthfully, this shows how prejudice you are by claiming only one segment of the population(republicans) would support or put into place this law. When an overwhelming amount of polls show ALL citizens agree with these laws and wish their state did the same.

Bigot

Posted by: LiberalBasher | August 2, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU Ken Cuccinelli!!!

As a white male, I was pulled over simply because I fit the description (or profile...white of a certain age and hair color) of a suspect the police were looking for. I had not committed any moving violations and my plates and safety stickers were up to date. I was pulled over under the premise that I had an air freshener hanging from the rear view mirror, which apparently is not allowed - though very common and rarely enforced. I politely displayed my ID proving I was not the suspect and went on my way. While inconvenient, it is a reasonable burden to keep the community safe.

Similarly, if someone gets pulled over for speeding or DUI or some other violation and is asked about their immigration status, I don't think it should be treated as some horrible racial affront or invasion of privacy. Just answer the question and show your ID. If you are not an illegal alien or wanted for some other reason you will be on your way in no time. And the entire community will benefit. What's the problem? The police are allowed to ask you other questions such as "where are you coming from," "have you had anything to drink tonight," "do you have any weapons on you," "do you have any outstanding warrants," etc. Why not, "are you in this country legally or illegally?"

Posted by: fighterDC | August 2, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

So the Virginia AG authorizes cops to do something they've been doing for decades -- ask about immigration status when they arrest someone on a criminal charge and call INS when the suspect can't cough up a green card or visa. How daring. Next thing you know, he'll authorize grand juries to indict people charged with felonies. He's a real trail blazer.

Posted by: wildberries | August 2, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

OMG: Virginia police officers are actually allowed to enforce the law? How did this happen? The Democrats are clearly not in charge of the Commonwealth.

Posted by: RealityCheckerInEffect | August 2, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

First thing the USA needs is a National Identity Card. We have no uniform system to determine legal status. Drivers licenses are easily obtainable and REAL ID is a failure. E-Verify is over run with fraudulent Social Security Numbers. You can buy them over the Internet. A single National Identity Card, with a biometric marker, would solve the problem. If we cannot even determine, with good validity, who is legally or legally not in the USA, how are we going to tackle this mess?

Posted by: magnifco1000 | August 2, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

the politically correct are out of control. since when is complying with law enforcement seen as insulting? it's a simple question -a re you a US citizen? how much effort does it take to say "yes" and provide your drivers license? how often does anyone get pulled over or questioned by authorities and NOT have to provide some type of identification?

Every time I've ever been questioned - I've been asked for my ID - and I'm "the man" - 40 year old white guy! Don't they know I rule the world!! Now that I think about it - I'm offended and my little feelings are hurt! I'm going to go cry to my Demo politician and ask him where my check is...

Posted by: mockymock | August 2, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The comments on any Washington Post article that references immigration are disgraceful. No matter what your prejudices may tell you there is no easy way to tell someone's immigration status from a distance. It's also disingenuous to call for deporting "all illegal immigrants." Such a task is far beyond the capacity of our government (or any government, for that matter).

If immigration legislation must bridge the divide between an impossible demand (deport all undocumented immigrants) and the realities of policy, we will never make any progress in any direction. Until folks can accept that "deport them all" is not a solution, any "debate" is simply an opportunity for both parties to serve their own interests and ignore the country's interests.

Posted by: jjhare | August 2, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Racism is over blown by these blacks and Hispanics. Law is law and no matter what ethnic background one might have we as the citizen of this nation has to bide by it without exception. Now the black Caucus of congress is calling the congressional ethics committee racist. What a ironical situation we are seeing. The majority of the members in the committee are Democrats. Just because two of their black caucus members are being investigated that they are calling the committee racist. This is like seeing OJ Simpson being found innocent of the murders and the blacks in this country all clapped their hands and cheered but sadly the law and order and the justice of this country died that day. These black and Hispanics are reversed racist themselves and there is no reason to continue this nonsensical affirmative action and racial quotas for these are the only two ethnic groups who wants it. It is time for all of us to be treated equally. I had nothing to do with the slavery of the blacks that happened 200years ago and I do not want to be discriminated because of that against the blacks and hispanics. These people are becoming lawless and anarchistic as long as it is advantageous to them only. The democracy doesn't work like that. Every one needs to get equal opportunity according to their ability.

Posted by: chaemoondriver | August 2, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"The Attorney General has done Virginians a disservice by crafting a result oriented 'activist judge' opinion that seeks to serve his personal political agenda rather than objectively interpret the law."
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What in heck does this pro-illegal-alien lawyer thinks that Judge Bolton did in going beyond the law to protect the FAILURE of this administration to enforce the law--and to pretend that he has a right to ignore laws out of "policy" priorities and foreign policy considerations?

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I am of hispanic descent, and a FORMER democrat (pre-Obama). I think it is indeed time to enforce our immigration laws. If I get stopped for breaking a law, I have no issue showing any identification required. Even though I have a darker complexion, I do not consider the request profiling in any way. We have to get this under control. For the years it took the legal hispanic immigrants to achieve their citizenship, the current pandering to illegal immigrants is a slap in the face.

Posted by: edriggs1 | August 2, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for Ken. It's too bad the elite white liberals and the blind blacks, cannot see what's happening to the "great" state of MD.

Posted by: xfactor211 | August 2, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Discrimination to the enth degree. It is profiling put into legal terminology. The police should be required to ask everyone they stop to prove their citizenship. Disgraceful.
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All but four states (UT, Hawaii, NM, and Washington State) now require that immigration status be checked before issuing driver's licenses. The contact MOST of us are likely to have with police is through traffic infractions. Police might reasonably decide to ask about immigration status only from those persons who fail to produce a "secure" driver's license--or a valid green card. (Legal aliens are already required to carry proof of status.) No need to ask EVERYONE.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

All we Canadians have agendas, it's to obey our laws, respect our constitution and to be cordial to all Canadian born or immigrant Citizens, LEGAL immigrants.There Is no democratic or republican party here, seems as if that may be just as well. Bonjour.

Posted by: boblusby | August 2, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

good job Ken.

Posted by: 50Eagle | August 2, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

At least 20 states have pending laws, identical or similar to the Arizona law. Every one of them should pass them and simply drown the federal government. Something like 70% of voters want every illegal AND THEIR ANCHOR BABIES rounded up and deported. There are good legal reasons for thinking that the children of illegals are not US citizens and that needs to be brought before the Supreme Court. And, please stop with the racism accusations. We have a large and nicely integrated Hispanic population in this country that doesn't act as mules for Mexico's drug cartels, engage in wholesale identity theft, work under the table, or run amuck at baseball games with a Mexican flag. Also, not all illegals are Mexican or South America. We have plenty of Asians (mostly Korean, Indian, and CHinese) , Russians, and other. ALL OF THEM, need to actively sought out and arrested. Federal law mandates a *minimum* 6 month prison sentence and a fine for the first infraction, those doubling for each subsequent infraction. Uphold the law. Establish barbed wire prison camps, just as they have in western European countries, and make life a living hell for illegals. They WILL get the idea and they will self deport.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 2, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Kookinelli authorizes racial profiling - what a shocker!!!

Posted by: solsticebelle | August 2, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

@GaryDL: While I generally agree with you, the problem with laws like this is that it leads to large communities of people not trusting the police, and lead to a surge in crime.

I would have no problem with hiring more CBP officials that patrol areas and use some criteria to identify illegal immigrants. But, the job of the police should be only to identify and protect against real criminals, and not to enforce immigration laws that may alienate communities of millions of people.
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But you have no problem with the fact that failing to enforce immigration laws harms and alienates TENS OF MILLIONS AMERICANS, do you? And tell me, please--what kind of example does it set for people from corrupt countries to tell them that if they're here illegally or if they're helping someone who is, say a family member, they and their illegal alien relatives will never be questioned because it might "alienate" them? What it says is, quite frankly, that they can get away with breaking the laws of this country because they're "special". That we are as corrupt as their home countries in our way. Not to mention that equality under the law is a myth--that if you're an illegal alien, you're "more equal" than others.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

GaryDL perhaps you would agree that the police should be able to check whether you have properly filed your taxes with the IRS when they pull you over for speeding, I mean lets get those LAWBREAKERS too.

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Not a bad idea. The IRS, SSA, and ICE should ALL be cooperating with each other and flagging illegal aliens.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Great. Now we're as crazy as those rednecks in Arizona.

As if we EVER would see this from these republicans if we had a republican in the White House, even with the exact same policies in place?

Yeah, right. This is just a bunch of bigots who can't get over losing the 2006 and 2008 elections, and having "the black guy" in the White House.

Thanks, Kookinelli, for tarring all of us Virgnia citizens with your little teabagger brush.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | August 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Ok, how does this work? Say I get pulled over in my BMW for doing 57 in a 55 mph zone. The cop's suspicions are aroused by my blatant disregard for speed limits (used to the autobahn), foreign car, blond hair, blue eyes, and otherwise Nordic appearance. Fearing that I am an illegal German immigrant, he asks me for my immigration status. I tell him that I am a U.S. citizen. Not convinced, he asks me how many homers Duke Snider hit in Shibe Park last year. Not hearing the correct answer, he demands to see my papers. Given that I do not carry my birth certificate with me, I have no proof to show him. What does he do now? Does he have the right to detain me until he can confirm that I am indeed a U.S. citizen?

Posted by: posttoastie1
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See my post above. Only four states now do not comply with the FEDERAL Real ID Act. 46 other states including VA, check immigration status before issuing driver's licenses. And if you're a legal immigrant or a visitor, you will, of course, have your green card or passport with valid visa, as FEDERAL law already requires of you.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

First of all, REAL ID is not working. States are not checking when they issue drivers licenses. I know somebody who has 3 VA licenses, easy to get as pie. That's why National ID is better.

Next, you have to repeal the 14th Amendment to stop anchor babies. It's as plain as black and white. You cannot refuse benefits for the anchor babies either, a US Citizen is a US Citizen.

Posted by: magnifco1000 | August 2, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for law & order!

Posted by: giffordpinchot33 | August 2, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

How dare you cite the “rule of law” when your ancestors came here not to long ago and without any legal basis proceeded to stealing the land from the Native Americans and slaughtering them by the millions. Shame on this nation and all the bigots who support this. One day they will come for you too. After all it is not difficult to profile a Republican/Tea-bagger.

It's time to put aside all our differences and stand up together against racist, inhumane, unconstitutional and immoral laws and those that seek to implement them.

Posted by: v4real | August 2, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse


While I am a Democrat and have never voted for Cucinelli (he was my State Senator) and likely never will, I applaud this interpretation of the law and this new policy. Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers, plain and simple, with no right to be here. They should be questioned when found, arrested, and deported quickly and without ceremony or concern. Period.

(By the way, I am a Democrat who, like many, is rapidly becoming disgusted and disillusioned by my party's lunge to the far-left under Obama.)

Posted by: GaryDL
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If you were ever a Democrat (which I doubt) who voted for Obama (ditto), then you are getting exactly what you voted for.

I'm totally sick and tired of people referring to Obama;s "far-left", "Marxist" and/or "Socialist" agenda since they never get around to explaining exactly which policies of Obama have earned thaose labels.

Even if you are a Democrat, you misrepresent in two ways:

1. Most of the Democrats who express dissatisfaction with Obama feel he hasn't been liberal enough.

2. The number of Democrats who are ready to pull the GOP lever in November is minuscule, as any close reading of the polling data will show.

Posted by: st50taw
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I also am a lapsed Democrat. I support this opinion of the AG, but will likely not vote for a Republican. On the other hand, I did not vote for either Obama or McCain in 2008. I voted 3rd party for president the past two presidential elections because both parties fielded candidates who supported amnesty. Independents now outnumber Democrats.

I am quite frankly more likely a "true" Democrat than Obama, Pelosi, or YOU are. I'm a good old-fashioned LABOR DEMOCRAT who believes that the Party's first concern should be for the welfare of AMERICAN workers. Now, convince us how having 15 million Americans out of work while 5-7 million illegal aliens are working is a "good thing" particularly since it's clear that illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can, will, and are doing, such as working at Target or in construction. And convince us just how and why Americans can afford to add 20 million illegal aliens plus their relatives to the new healthcare system when said illegal aliens are low-wage unskilled and uneducated workers who, even if legalized, won't manage to rise out of poverty. And of course, just why should we add 2-3 million more illegal alien "students" to our colleges and universities with in-state tuition and taxpayer-subsidized student aid when AMERICAN children are being shut out of universities and can't afford to go?

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Ship them straight to the White House, c/o Obama.

Posted by: rusty3 | August 2, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if AG Cuccinelli would be so hard-over if he was a first generation Mexican-American instead of a third or fourth generation Italian-American... I kinda think not.

Posted by: schmegegge | August 2, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Will this country and the freedom we have enjoyed in the past survive the "Beckerheads" like our current AG?

Posted by: changeisconstant | August 2, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I think this is just lip service for political popularity and whether we admit it or not race is tied to it. To say you can check the immigration status of anyone you happen to arrest or stop for doing something illegal is to imply that law enforcement was not able to do this before which is not true. Its just like the cops in AZ say, that local law gives them the same powers they had all along. You think cops in AZ or VA cant or did not have authority to check anyone who is of foreign heritage, not just Hispanic but arab, African, Asian, Ukrainian for their papers if they wanted to before this law you are kidding yourselves. They just introduced these laws as lip service to the mainstream people who vote and are tired of looking at all the mexicans in the same neighborhood they live in which is racist pandering for votes. Its based on picking on a minority group of people based on its worse element. Its willie horton politics of the late 80's. Its the "Welfare Queen" politics that help get Reagan elected. That simple. When politicians can convince the voting majority that most of their issues are tied to some poor minority group of people who dont represent their interest then we all have a common enemy to blame and base or votes on. We wont say the law is about race because we really dont have to. Kind of like the arab family who gets looked at while boarding a plane a little more than the rest of us. You dont have to say its about race to know that it is. Its a stupid law eventually create more problems than it solves. If you want to keep illegals out of the country, protect the boarders and stop giving them economic opportunity by hiring them. When I look in DC, I see a bunch of VA based construction companies working on projects and the majority of the workers are from other countries that work as subcontractors. For every 1 person that wants to run off the day laborers there are 10 who employ them. I want to see the day they detain an arab, asian or ukranian for proof of citizenship in VA. Illegal is illegal. Dont come up with laws for specific races of people who may be here illegal.

Posted by: ged0386 | August 2, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

If a few legals have to be inconvenienced so that illegals are discovered, that's life. Common sense must prevail. This isn't an issue of racial profiling...it's all about wanting free reign and free benefits. Play the race card in hopes of scaring off those opposed to illegal immigration. Successful to this point but people have caught on to it...the race card is losing its power...America is finally starting to fight back...

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If you mean that a few illegals should have their civil violated, then you are in favor of a selective reading of the Constitution. You're totally within your rights to hold that opinion, but let's be perfectly clear about what it means.

Posted by: st50taw
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Get a clue. CIVIL rights are by definition rights held only by citizens. Illegal aliens have only the rights that we give to literally everyone in this country, visitor or not. Freedom from having to prove one's identity or status is not one of those rights. In fact, FEDERAL law requires aliens to carry proof of status already.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"I have a hard time understanding how it is "profiling" to question a Hispanic's status at a time when the vast majority of illegals - by common knowledge - are Hispanic." -- wrote GaryDL

Perhaps he should just re-read what he wrote, essentially saying that "if you see a Hispanic person, you can believe 'by common knowledge' that they are here illegal." [Author's note: That my friends is racial or ethnic profiling.] "Of course that only applies to the Hispanics who 'look' Hispanic, because, you know... you can spot 'em at 20 paces." [Author's note: Never mind about the ones who look Canadian or Irish or Russian or Polish or Australian or Kiwi.] "Yep, you can pretty much count on it that those ones that look Hispanic are 'illegals.' They just are. 'Looking' Hispanic is reason enough to doubt their legitimacy, because you know, 'the vast majority' don't look American enough to be Americans so that's how you tell. That and their shoes."

Posted by: jade_7243
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If the column in the Post a couple of weeks ago is to be believed, racial profiling IS allowed under federal law.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I bet if you asked any native American we are all illegal immigrants.

Moreover, until 1848 California, New Mexico and other portions of the Southwest (Arizona) were internationally recognized provinces of free Mexico, until the U.S. decided it wanted those provinces, declared war on Mexico, and stole them.

Perhaps now Mexicans simply want a share in what is legally theirs.

Posted by: waxtraxs
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And of course the Native Americans from whom Mexico STOLE those provinces had no say in the international courts, did they?

Fact is, Mexicans do NOT "legally" own the United States. The sold off the states in question LEGALLY.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Ship them straight to the White House, c/o Obama.

Posted by: rusty3 | August 2, 2010 3:36 PM

You can tell a person who thinks with his politics more than his own brain. Obamas immigration policy is the same immigration policy of the last 4 presidents but now its somehow worse based on who is president?

Posted by: ged0386 | August 2, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

slowly but surely american CITIZENS are winning this battle. AZ,VA who will follow the right path? deport ALL ILLEGALS,fine and/or jail those that hire them

Posted by: pofinpa | August 2, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli after a vacation in the sun just might experience a pull-over himself, or maybe he's just one of those whose neck turns red.

Immigration laws as applied here are inherently racist or to a lesser extent anti-ethnic. It's not about the economic effects nor the safety concerns. It has and will always be about the discomfort of the the majority about the color and to a lesser extent the ethnicity of the immigrant. Afraid that the country will be taken over by ...

Posted by: shhhhh | August 2, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Ok, how does this work? Say I get pulled over in my BMW for doing 57 in a 55 mph zone. The cop's suspicions are aroused by my blatant disregard for speed limits (used to the autobahn), foreign car, blond hair, blue eyes, and otherwise Nordic appearance. Fearing that I am an illegal German immigrant, he asks me for my immigration status. I tell him that I am a U.S. citizen. Not convinced, he asks me how many homers Duke Snider hit in Shibe Park last year. Not hearing the correct answer, he demands to see my papers. Given that I do not carry my birth certificate with me, I have no proof to show him. What does he do now? Does he have the right to detain me until he can confirm that I am indeed a U.S. citizen?

Posted by: posttoastie1
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Duh!!! He will ask you for your DRIVER'S LICENSE!!!!
Is this another blonde joke???? :-)

Posted by: thornegp2626 | August 2, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Darn search function is broken again ...

Employer
Employ
Commerce
Work
Business

none of these words is in the opinion. Oh I get it. Never mind then.

Posted by: gannon_dick | August 2, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

First of all, REAL ID is not working. States are not checking when they issue drivers licenses. I know somebody who has 3 VA licenses, easy to get as pie. That's why National ID is better.

Next, you have to repeal the 14th Amendment to stop anchor babies. It's as plain as black and white. You cannot refuse benefits for the anchor babies either, a US Citizen is a US Citizen.

Posted by: magnifco1000
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If it's that easy to get DLs under the Real ID Act, then that's yet ANOTHER federal law not being enforced. Perhaps Mr. Cucinelli should look into WHY VA is not following through. Getting licenses through fraud is also actionable.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The Attorney General has done Virginians a disservice by crafting a result oriented 'activist judge' opinion that seeks to serve his personal political agenda rather than objectively interpret the law.
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Shut-up Gastanaga! We don't care to listen to your pro-illegal alien propaganda. The AG is upholding current Virginia law. Too bad President Urkle refuses to enforce US immigration law....

Posted by: WildBill1 | August 2, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

slowly but surely american CITIZENS are winning this battle. AZ,VA who will follow the right path? deport ALL ILLEGALS,fine and/or jail those that hire them

Posted by: pofinpa


Mexicans are not the only illegals yet they are the only ones you care about getting arrested and deported. To me, if its just about getting the hispanics who are here illegal but overlooking the africans, arabs, asians and everyone else then the law serves no good purpose but to pick on one group of people based on race. We will still have an immigration problem. Over half of the 19 9/11 hijackers had no legal status to be here. If we target just the hispanic community because they happen to be the most high profile group for politicians to use then are we really solving the problem or just trying to justify our own racist thinking?

Posted by: ged0386 | August 2, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Newsflash, Hispanic simply means an American whose first language is Spanish
related to a Spanish-speaking people or culture; is does not denote race as many Spanish speaking people can be white/Caucasian, Asian, Indian, black, mulatto, mestizo. Please educate yourselves. The "Hispanic" does not pertain to race. Stop misusing it.

Posted by: v4real | August 2, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The comments on any Washington Post article that references immigration are disgraceful. No matter what your prejudices may tell you there is no easy way to tell someone's immigration status from a distance. It's also disingenuous to call for deporting "all illegal immigrants." Such a task is far beyond the capacity of our government (or any government, for that matter).

If immigration legislation must bridge the divide between an impossible demand (deport all undocumented immigrants) and the realities of policy, we will never make any progress in any direction. Until folks can accept that "deport them all" is not a solution, any "debate" is simply an opportunity for both parties to serve their own interests and ignore the country's interests.

Posted by: jjhare
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And until pro-amnesty types accept that it is impossible to amnesty all or even most without enforcing our borders, then we will remain at an impasse--until the next terrorist attack. Fact is, we already know that without enforcement of the law, we'll get millions more illegal aliens coming in expectation of another amnesty. Amnesty would also give 20 million plus illegal aliens plus their relatives access to scarce and expensive resources such as healthcare--services for which they as low-wage workers would never earn enough to cover. (and no, illegal aliens will NOT "save" SS, but would bankrupt it more quickly if legalized. Legalization won't magically give them educations, skills, or a knowledge of English to get high-paying jobs.)

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

This dude must go!now,out of office. What is it with this right wing nut!

Posted by: 1set | August 2, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

How's this for a novel concept: jail time for those business owners/CEOs who hire the immigrants. And, I'm not talking about the assistant manager of the McDonald's. I'm talking about the CEO or President of the company. I want them to be doing the perp walk on the way to jail. Yes, just like Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling.

Posted by: jojo2008 | August 2, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

CUCCINELLI FOR PRESIDENT 2012

Posted by: Jsuf | August 2, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Round 'em up. Send 'em back.

Posted by: Revcain777 | August 2, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I usually come down pretty strongly on the civil liberties side of things, but I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with Cuccinelli's position. Asking, "are you here legally?" seems no different than asking, "Have you been drinking tonight?" or "Do you have insurance on this car?" or "Where are you headed?" or any number of other questions reasonable people expect to be asked when they're stopped by the police.

I'm sorry but... gee... if you think our society is too intrusive by asking your immigration status, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! To my knowledge, not one illegal immigrant has ever been "forced" to live, work, drive, attend school, apply for social programs, or even walk along the sidewalk in the state of Virginia. Virginia does not go to other countries and pick up unwilling individuals and haul there here against their will. Anyone in the state of Virginia is here by THEIR OWN CHOICE, and I flatly REJECT the notion that the taxpayers of the Commonwealth of Virginia are somehow 'picking on' people who shouldn't be here but choose to remain despite our laws.

Don't like getting asked where you're from? LEAVE!!! No one is stopping you!

Posted by: yanas_girl | August 2, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli after a vacation in the sun just might experience a pull-over himself, or maybe he's just one of those whose neck turns red.

Immigration laws as applied here are inherently racist or to a lesser extent anti-ethnic. It's not about the economic effects nor the safety concerns. It has and will always be about the discomfort of the the majority about the color and to a lesser extent the ethnicity of the immigrant. Afraid that the country will be taken over by ...

Posted by: shhhhh
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If one particular ethnic group thinks it has a right to break the laws of this country and get rewarded for it, you're d-mned right we get upset about it. In fact, if anyone thinks he or she has a right to break the law with their first action in this country, why wouldn't we be upset about it?

As for the "racism" argument--pull the other one. Fact is, there are 15 million Americans out of work and guess who has the HIGHEST unemployment rate: African-Americans, especially young men. If anything, racism runs the other way: illegal immigration results in discrimination against African-Americans who lose out in getting jobs. Of course, legal Hispanic youth and poor Whites also lose.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse


slowly but surely american CITIZENS are winning this battle. AZ,VA who will follow the right path? deport ALL ILLEGALS,fine and/or jail those that hire them

Posted by: pofinpa


Mexicans are not the only illegals yet they are the only ones you care about getting arrested and deported. To me, if its just about getting the hispanics who are here illegal but overlooking the africans, arabs, asians and everyone else then the law serves no good purpose but to pick on one group of people based on race. We will still have an immigration problem. Over half of the 19 9/11 hijackers had no legal status to be here. If we target just the hispanic community because they happen to be the most high profile group for politicians to use then are we really solving the problem or just trying to justify our own racist thinking?

Posted by: ged0386
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Where on earth did you get the idea that the status of OTHER illegal aliens than Mexicans or Hispanics wouldn't be checked? I'm Arab-American and the richest man in Mexico is of Arab descent as well. Could you tell an Arab from a Mexican? I couldn't. I also work with blonde Hispanics and have known blonde and red-headed Arabs. Neither of these are races but ETHNIC groups. And that's what police might check, if say, someone fails to provide a driver's license or green card or passport. Of course, roughly half of all illegal aliens are Hispanic (based on the fact that almost half of all legal immigrants are and on CBP reports), so it's reasonable that more Hispanics will get checked.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

If I am ever stopped by Virginia police, I hope they try to detain me because I do not have any citizenship papers on me. I will relish my day in court suing Ken Cuccinelli II for trying to take away my constitutional rights to move around my country. He is the worst Attorney General in history and will never win another election.

Posted by: Viewpoint2 | August 2, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope no one realizes that an effective way to thwart domestic terrorism would be to randomly search the homes of anyone living in the US . . . or to stop gun violence by detaining any gun owner on a routine traffic stop for questioning - or else we'll all be in trouble, not just Latinos. It's a slippery slope.

Posted by: MasterBlaster3 | August 2, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

big business insisted on giving illegal migrants to this country a pass. Big business, hilt deep into the republican party.... Not leftists, not anarchists, but businesses like caterpillar, Ford, and Archer Daniels Midland.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | August 2, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It does not matter a bit where you are from if you are illegal then you are illegal and hence you have no rights. I suspect the same is true no matter which Country you might decide to go to. On the other hand if Virginia, Arizona or the Federal Government really desire to get serious then they should start first with employer's. Workers go where the work is. You can go to any worksite and that includes military bases and federal buildings and find al of the illegals workers you want. Hey just drop by the airports and grab a few cabbies. Illegal workers are cleaning the streets in Washington DC. Both Marshall and Cuccinelli are fools running hard for the next office but unfortunately they represent people who want the laws enforced. So while the FBI is happily tapping phones without warrants or regard to the Constitution we now get subjected to more intrusion into our lives on the pretext of looking for 'foreiners. Be real interesting when some cop stops someone who fits the profile and is actually someone willing to sue for false arrest. Hey whatever happened to that illegal aunt of Obama's who refused 4 times to be deported and now lives under federal protection?

Posted by: KBlit | August 2, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

How dare you cite the “rule of law” when your ancestors came here not to long ago and without any legal basis proceeded to stealing the land from the Native Americans and slaughtering them by the millions. Shame on this nation and all the bigots who support this. One day they will come for you too. After all it is not difficult to profile a Republican/Tea-bagger.

It's time to put aside all our differences and stand up together against racist, inhumane, unconstitutional and immoral laws and those that seek to implement them.


Posted by: v4real
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What "inhumane, unconstitutional and immoral laws"? Immigration laws? Take yourself then to virtually any country in the world including Mexico, and tell THEM that. Fact is, that the US has the most generous immigration policy in the world, despite our current unemployment problem. It is only with enforcement of the law and with reasonable numbers of LEGAL immigrants that we can afford to be generous to immigrants while maintaining our own standard of living and our own ideals. You forget--many countries such as Mexico are far more intolerant, sexist, racist, etc., than the U.S. is--and that the people from these countries bring their views and actions with them.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The internet has become the voice of the mostly racist, bigots who would pass Nazi Germany type laws against anyone who does not look like them. Anytime the word immigration appears in a story, the same trite, insults fill the comments.

It is sad, also that Virginia's leadership appears willing to provide fodder for their ideas.

Posted by: 189AROD | August 2, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

@GaryDL: While I generally agree with you, the problem with laws like this is that it leads to large communities of people not trusting the police, and lead to a surge in crime.
Posted by: JimmyB2
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Check the local crime pages. You will see that crime has increased in many heavily illegal populations. How many more victims refuse to call the police out of fear of retaliation from the illegal criminals committing the crimes. Check papers; stop the migration of criminals coming into this country.

Posted by: bethg1841 | August 2, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I was born in the United States, carry a U.S. passport and I'l be GD'd if I'll "prove" I'm an American to any fat a$$'d politician. Any jerk that think he can make me prove I'm an American is welcome to try.

Posted by: orange31 | August 2, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

They come from Mexico because of the poverty. Violence is also a factor. We are spending $1 trillion on Iraq, and another trillion on Afghanistan. Seems to me we would do far better to find a way to raise Mexico out of third world status. Have our FBI and CIA do what is needed to get rid of the corruption. Provide some economic aid carefully tailored to helping Mexico modernize. The reason, they will stop coming if their society can improve even a little bit. And, that's far better for us, and them, then all that we are going through now.

Posted by: magnifco1000 | August 2, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

This is probably the result of the accident over the weekend in PW County. Illegal immigrant drove drunk and killed 1 nun and hurt 2 others. His 3rd DUI.

http://www2.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/man_charged_in_fatal_crash_was_being_deported/61613/

Posted by: HokieDoke | August 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope no one realizes that an effective way to thwart domestic terrorism would be to randomly search the homes of anyone living in the US . . . or to stop gun violence by detaining any gun owner on a routine traffic stop for questioning - or else we'll all be in trouble, not just Latinos. It's a slippery slope.

Posted by: MasterBlaster3
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It's an even slipperier slope to say that police can't check immigration status. In a country based on the rule of law, to treat people who have no qualms about breaking the law threatens us all. If the countries these illegal aliens came from weren't so corrupt, if the rule of law were respected, then perhaps they might still be places illegal aliens want to live in. And don't kid yourself--a country becomes largely what its people make it. When many of those people are illegal aliens...

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The American people are winning. The open-borders, pro-illegal, cosmopolitan elites are losing.

It's that simple.

Posted by: pmendez | August 2, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Ah, forget the Mexicans, let's watch the Italians try to deport the Irish!

People who think of resolving these issues by force just aren't thinking clearly.

Posted by: lonquest | August 2, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

They come from Mexico because of the poverty. Violence is also a factor. We are spending $1 trillion on Iraq, and another trillion on Afghanistan. Seems to me we would do far better to find a way to raise Mexico out of third world status. Have our FBI and CIA do what is needed to get rid of the corruption. Provide some economic aid carefully tailored to helping Mexico modernize. The reason, they will stop coming if their society can improve even a little bit. And, that's far better for us, and them, then all that we are going through now.

Posted by: magnifco1000
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Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, with a GDP higher than CANADA's. It's home to the world's richest man who, but the way is a backer of the New York Times and owned the late Circuit City. WALMART creates more jobs in Mexico than he does. If Mexico needs jobs and reforming, and it does, then its own citizens should be doing it, including Mr. Slim and the millions of illegal aliens in this country.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 2, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli's opinion should surprise no one. It's common knowledge that a majority of US citizens and legal residents support cracking down on illegal immigration and that many states are considering enacting laws like the Arizona's in spite of Judge Bolton's injunction against certain parts of it. No one should expect Cuccinelli to care at all what the Obama administration thinks.

It's unfortunate, and stupid that no one is targeting those who employ illegals. Shutting off the jobs will stop illegals from coming and make many of those already here return to their countries of origin more effectively than any other form of immigration enforcement. That should tell you two things: 1) electing Democrats doesn't necessarily reduce corporate/business ownership of our politicos.
2)Democrats are running scared and want the Hispanic vote in 2010 and especially 2012. Expect them to come out with pro-illegal rhetoric and action to assure those Hispanic votes, and possibly an amnesty program for millions of illegals already here.

What dolts! The Dems win a major election by a landslide and turn into a bunch of scared rabbits in less than two years. An excellent example of how not to do it!

A lot of Hispanics, US citizens or legal residents, also support cracking down on illegals. They just don't want to be profiled and hassled by the cops, and I don't blame them.

Posted by: meand2 | August 2, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Although I don't have a problem with checking on the status of someone who is arrested, I do see negative aspects of state employees checking on the immigration status of employees who have not done anything unlawful. Public safety requires the cooperation of ALL persons, citizen or not; undocumented or documented. Anything that causes folks not to seek help when they otherwise would need it makes the society I live in less safe. Maybe I'm being selfish, but this is why I am glad that my jurisdiction has a firm policy of NOT asking the immigration status of anyone who is not charged with a crime.

Posted by: kabej | August 2, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

This is the kind of ego trip an unprincipled politician goes on when the WAPO gives him a front page story. Cuccinnelli is an embarrassment to VA and instead of looking for laws that will help, he wants to violate the constitution. Obama has increased enforcement of immigration laws, deported many more illegals than Bush, increased border patrols and improving technology within Homeland Security to track "immigrants". The numbers are factual, increased deportations, fewer illegal croosings at the border and reduced crime rate along all border states. Cuccinnelli should stop his attacks on minorities and get on with improving and strengthening laws that are good for all his constituents.

Posted by: CarmanK | August 2, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I now need to carry my US passport to travel from Maryland to Virginia in case I should get stopped. I guess you now know where I won't be looking for my next job.

Posted by: cjherzfeld@verizon.net | August 2, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree with this proposition provided that if the pig makes a mistake on the immigration reason the pig is suspended from duty.

Aside from that I do believe that Obama should issue a Emancipation Proclamation mandating all illegals are US citizens.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 2, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Ali4, people in Mexico live like dogs. GDP means nothing if you have no food. So they keep coming.

Posted by: magnifco1000 | August 2, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

It will be most interesting to see how the unabashedly "welcoming and inclusive" Democratic Commissioners of Arlington County react to this opinion which binds their police. My guess is they will bend over backwards to instruct police to continue "welcoming" the thousands of illegals known by them to be in Arlington.

Posted by: JTSpangler | August 2, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Good. Stop them, check them, arrest them and deport them.

Posted by: askgees | August 2, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

orange31 -- You "proved" yourself an American by getting your US Passport. I mean, like Duh? or what?

Posted by: MarriedMann | August 2, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

To all of those that are against illegals mainly Hispanics, I want to see you pick your fruits and corn, wash your own dishes, clean your own homes and sit your own brats. This will create a huge impact like it did to the coffers of P Williams county. Good luck bringing the confederacy back.
PS before you direct your hatred towards me, I'm an American Citizen.

Posted by: humbertomisteroni | August 2, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

This action reflects the fact that the vast majority of legal american citizens supports the Arizona approach even if the Odumbo administration doesn't care what americans think.

Illegal aliens are criminals who deliberately broke into our country with the intent to steal the rights and priviledges of real american citizens including health care, social security payments (gotten with ID theft SSN numbers), education and jobs - not to mention importing poverty, violent crime and divisive loyalty to their country of origin.

They have no right to be here and no right to anything other than a swift kick out the door

Posted by: Moderate62 | August 2, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

GaryDL: (By the way, I am a Democrat who, like many, is rapidly becoming disgusted and disillusioned by my party's lunge to the far-left under Obama.)

This is why people need to stop watching Faux News. There is not one single area, since taking office, in which Obama has been "far left" much to my chagrin. Obama has continued Bush's policies, nearly unabated, in countless ways (indefinite detention, endless war, warrantless wiretapping... the list goes on and on). Only someone who is completely uninformed, e.g. Faux News viewers, could possibly believe that Obama's policies have been left of anything except the extreme right.

Posted by: paranoid36 | August 2, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Someone that is actually doing something for Virginians and US citizens. You hardly see this anymore. Way to go Ken!!!

Posted by: GClausen | August 2, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I am with all of the Democrats on this blog who has become an unlikely ally of Mr. Cucinelli on the issue of illegal immigration. I am not anti-immigration; I am an immigrant myself. I came here, as did my entire family, with the full permission of the United Stated of America, having waited my turn and fulfilled all legal requirements before I crossed that border. As such, I have no problem whipping out my identification to anyone who asks -- and I get asked frequently for everything from check writing to boarding an airplane to the pesky ticket I got the other day for driving with an expired inspection sticker. I compete with everyone else with similar qualifications for jobs in my area and pay my taxes -- no one supports me or any member of my family. Mr. Cucinelli is right -- while the Arizona judge gutted the REQUIREMENT for police officers to check for immigration status on anyone they stop for other potential violations, it did not preempt a police officer from doing so. At that point, if you are illegal, you're gone. Those activists jumping up and down at Judge Bolton's ruling therefore have little to rejoice about. For those concerned about racial profiling, the fact that an officer can selectively pick and choose whose status he checks seems to me to be more reason for concern about racial profiling than the law as it was originally written.

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Posted by: sassafrasnewport | August 2, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

This is just a wedge issue at this point. How to really fix it? Make sure these jobs that "they're" stealing from citizens (which, btw U.S. citizens WON'T do for the most part) offer both a living wage and benefits. That's the only way citizens will "take their jobs back". I mean come on really, do YOU know anyone who wants to do backbreaking labor for crap wages and no bennies? Now, if you could afford the cost of living here, maybe you would take one of these "stolen" jobs. Also, why aren't the companies hiring these people being punished, I mean they are encouraging the behavior? And look, say they equate somewhat with a low income earner here in the U.S. that is a citizen, etc. Guess what, the citizen doesn't really pay income taxes either because they make NOTHING. The people here working illegally DO pay taxes, on things they buy, car fees, etc. I'm not saying complete amnesty, I'm just saying be practical folks. THEY never "took yer jerb!". Your "jerb" was outsourced to a cheaper country; and the company that fired you still most likely received HUGE tax cuts at the same time. You don't want the jobs illegals do. So who will do them? We have outsourced all the decent wage labor jobs and many of the decent wage middle class jobs as well. I don't pretend to have the answers, but at least I don't pretend that kicking out people will solve all the problems. And the tactics being used to advocate for deportation are pretty much disgusting (myths about kidnappings and beheadings and crime going up). Look, people are mad, people are out of work, people LOVE scapegoats; be they the Italians, the Chinese, the Irish, the Polish, the etc. Just don't pretend that all our problems will disappear if illegals do and that we'll suddenly be transported to magical world of whimsy where everything is great and U.S.A. is number 1 and blah blah blah. We have alot of potential, we have a lot of problems; grow up and be realistic. You owe it to your country.

Posted by: monkeynavigated | August 2, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse


If a police officer can ask questions about other issues, asking about immigration status or running a computer check is reasonable to anyone other than illegals and the people making bucks off them.

Why should illegal immigrants have special above the law status? Other than Hispanics and liberal whiners demanding they have special above the law status.

Why should an illegal immigrant have more rights than me? Or any of you.

Posted by: wj_phillips | August 2, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

We have a "failed state," Mexico, on our Southern border. The deport them, lock them up, stomp on them, etc., etc., approach has not and will not work. It will only turn America into a Police State. It's time to change things in Mexico. Special Ops, US Army, we took out Saddam, time to take out the oligarchy and corruption in Mexico. A working, democratic government, with the money going so a stable middle class can form. Problem solved. There simply is no other way, sooner or later, it will come to this!

Posted by: magnifco1000 | August 2, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

All of these people who say let's not forget Illegal Immigration is illegal, please remember, every European-American is a relative of someone who is here illegally. This land was taken from native Americans. So illegal immigrants are only doing what was done to the Indians but without the violence. You people are hypocrites and are disgusting.

Posted by: chopin224 | August 2, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I am an American. My father legally immigrated here in 1950. He joined the US Army to get his citizenship. Now, I LOOK, hispanic although I am not, I have olive skin, dark, hair etc., I do not speak with an accent, but you wouldn't know it and I was born in the country to 2 US citizens. Now I have to run around with papers in case some incompetard Police officer decides to abuse his power and ask me for my papers? So I get to stay in jail until that can be done, even though I have a US government job and a clearance? When does it end? Why the hell can't we fine the employers for hiring illegals, how many more of our freedoms will be ebbed away by the facist right wing kooks?

Posted by: jacquie1 | August 2, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

To quote John Adams:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Just take a look at Mexico and America's liberal states and cities, and you see exactly what he meant.

Posted by: john_bruckner | August 2, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Ask everyone or no one.

Posted by: jbowen431 | August 2, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse


What does a patent attorney know about the law? You voters that put this clod in office ought to be ashamed of yourselves.


Posted by: mortified469 | August 2, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

As far back as I can remember, being an immigrant to this country it was always an assumption to stay away from any criminal activity if you want to stay in this country. We call it Tago nang Tago (TnT) which transtlate literally into english "Hide and Hide". Most illegal immigrants will not commit a crime, its suicide for them. This AZ law in affect would not put a dent on illegal immigration but would in effect only make us a military state similar to Hitler's Germany where people were required to carry their "papers". Just take a moment and think about what that led to. Hmmm??? Are there still countires that do that in this day and age? Shamefully the answer is YES. Hello France. If we don't wake up and smell the coffee we will be just like those villians that history has made. "Heil Hitler! - What's next the Gestapo and the Nazi party?

Posted by: immigrant1 | August 2, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

What an activist interpretation of a transparent statute. Oh well.

Posted by: BlahBlahBlah314 | August 2, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

So Virginia will be racially profiling now, too? I don't understand that argument, since I have to produce my drivers license every time I'm stopped. How is this a racial issue?

Posted by: Barb_AZ | August 2, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually The AG did a GREAT service for the Residents of Virginia..LEGAL ONES that is.

Its so amusing this Immigration debate mostly because in the country of Mexico if caught you go to Prison for 10 years and then are deported and have to prove you be a value to their soceity to even Immigrate Legally Yet were the racists for wanting to Defend our country from Tresspassers. What they really want is a one ticket to america but Not To Mexico.

Really for the first time I am starting to condone us just wiping that entire race off of our land much like they would do to us in their county.

At least the AG of Virginia has the balls to defend our land unlike our WEAK Federal Government who does not even have the NUTS to enforce the Federal Immigration Policies .....

Posted by: knepp023 | August 2, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

What is a "pro immigration" group? What is that? Pro "legal" immigration or pro "illegal" immigration?

Posted by: Beckola | August 2, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Moderate62 wrote: "This action reflects the fact that the vast majority of legal american citizens supports the Arizona approach even if the Odumbo administration doesn't care what americans think."
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Preisdent Obama cares what Americans think, he just dosen't give rats arss what right wing nut bags think. The majority of Americans as well as President Obama also support a pathway for these immigrants to become US citizens, but I don't hear you or your right wing party advocating that? Selective reasoning or ignorance. My bet it's the latter.

Posted by: sammie21 | August 2, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

jacquie1 wrote:
I am an American. My father legally immigrated here in 1950. He joined the US Army to get his citizenship. Now, I LOOK, hispanic although I am not, I have olive skin, dark, hair etc., I do not speak with an accent, but you wouldn't know it and I was born in the country to 2 US citizens. Now I have to run around with papers in case some incompetard Police officer decides to abuse his power and ask me for my papers? So I get to stay in jail until that can be done, even though I have a US government job and a clearance? When does it end? Why the hell can't we fine the employers for hiring illegals, how many more of our freedoms will be ebbed away by the facist right wing kooks?
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jacquie1, that's just nonsense. In your case, you already most probably carry all the proof you need to show the police that you are a citizen. Your social security card, presumably your government job ID card and so on. So what's your problem?

I bet you wouldn't object if a police officer wanted to check your ID when searching for terrorists and going on your own physical description, you might be taken for a Muslim and worth checking.

And what's wrong with profiling on any grounds? The fact is that most illegal aliens in the US southern states are Mexican, therefore it is obvious that people who look Mexican should be be checked more thoroughly than others. this is just proper and logical police procedure.

If police are hunting bank robbers who have been described as tall negroes, they are not going to go chasing little white grannies, are they? So stop this crap about racist profiling - the police's job is hard enough without having obstacles placed in their way like this.

Just be grateful that some authorities are trying to stop the tide of illegal aliens into the USA, those aliens ripping jobs and money out of the pockets of US citizens and legal residents.

I can't believe the stupidity of people who would prefer that the USA should turn a blind eye to this problem and ignore its own laws on illegal entry.

Only in America is such idiocy seen.

Posted by: ziggyzap | August 2, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

GOD BLESS VIRGINIA!!!!!

Posted by: AlbyVA | August 2, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to have to realize that although he thinks he is the "One", there are over 300,000,000 people in this Country that have brains and Mr. Cuccinelli is one of them. If a majority of the States followed just what would Obama do?. Put them in Jail? (LOL) We need to take our Country back and protect our Citizens in spite of our sorry leadership in Washington. Go Virginia!

Posted by: sambird | August 2, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

During the demonstrations AGAINST our new law, several people climbed up on a crane to hang a huge sign of protest. When they came down, they were all arrested, and their immigration status WAS checked. Only one was illegal, and he was deported. As far as we know, he was the FIRST illegal deported under the new law. HE WAS FROM CANADA! Are we now racially profiling against Canadians?

Posted by: Barb_AZ | August 2, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

So,this surely signals the beginning of the end of the Kenyan Muslim in the White House Dictator Barack Hussein Obama's and his disgusting phony total incompetent US Attorney General Eric Holder and worthless
incompetent Sec of Homeland Security Joke
Janet Napolitano REFUSE To Enforce Our Own
US Immigration Laws now then. As more states will follow the Virginia Attorney
General Cuccinelli ruling and enact their own versions of both Arizona SB 1070 and the earlier Arizona Illegal Alien Employer
Sanctions Laws and stricly enforce them.

So, this also will end Barack Hussein Obama
and Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and
the out of touch with reality Liberal Democrats Insane Illegal Alien Amnesty Plans,just 40 Million Illegal Alien Criminals made Instant US Citizens and Automatic Registered Democrat Voters as well. The American people will never stand
for this latest Obama total insanity! The
time for either the Immediate Resignation or Immediate Impeachment of Barack Obama is
long overdue here as are Charges Of High Treason as well. Take Back America From
Der Distator Barack Hussein Obama NOW!

Posted by: carleen09 | August 2, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Barb_AZ: I don't care where they are from. If they are in the United States illegally and Law Enforcement finds out, they should be arrested and handed over to ICE. Case Closed. There is no racial profiling about it.

Illegals need to worry that they might get pulled over for speeding or jay walking or loitering at 7-11 and be deported. Maybe fear of actually be caught will make them all flee to the save haven in Maryland. Thats when all those libs in Maryland can enjoy pumping state dollars into a bunch of illegals they all love.

Posted by: AlbyVA | August 2, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I've shelved plans to visit Arizona, I canceled my usual beach trip to Virginia this year after the concealed-carry thing in bars, and now I'm going to make an extra point of not driving in Virginia at all. I don't carry a passport at all times and I don't plan to start.

Posted by: csdiego | August 2, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I would gladly show my ID to any law enforcement agency that requested it if it would stop all the whining by the pro illegal alien organizations !!! If they have nothing to hide just what the hell is the problem!!!! ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT!!! NOT AMNESTY EVER!!!!

IMPEACH NObama NOW !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Klimax | August 2, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I usually dont but have to agree with Cuccinelli on this one. There are clear rules and regulations for path to immigration, if it applies for rest of the countries in the world why not hispanics. Amnesty is not an option. Send them back and have them wait in line like rest of the people do. Fairness should prevail.

Posted by: hemisphere | August 2, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

15/million Illegals in America
15/million Unemployed Americans.

The math seems pretty simply. If you deport the illegals, 15/million job openings become available. Unemployment and Recession will be resolved.

Posted by: AlbyVA | August 2, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

AlbyVA, Agreed!

Posted by: Barb_AZ | August 2, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

This dimbulb missed the train again. The judge has ruled most of the AZ law cannot be executed as it violates federal procedural process. Once again, the AG is about two weeks late and a half a loaf short.

Posted by: ronjeske | August 2, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Almost every major ill plaguing America today can be directly traced to American liberals massive drug abuse propensities.

Posted by: john_bruckner | August 2, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Another Democrat speaking. I do not like the Attorney General. But in this case he is doing the right thing. So many people consider "illegals" as a race of people and therefore say that those who are against the current lax situation are racists.

Illegal is not a race. It is a felony. The Attorney General is not a likeable guy but in this case I'll hold my nose and agree with him.

Posted by: joseph_charles | August 2, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Bushwhacked1 When in doubt, or out of any valid points to be made, just play the race card. How sad.

Posted by: Barb_AZ | August 2, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Deport the illegals and build a fence across the entire border with Mexico. Then staff it with Border patrol agents. If you don't have enough, hire some of the 15/million unemployed Americans Mr. Obama. How's that for stimulus? You can solve the immigration issue and fix the economy at the same time. lol

Deporting illegals should be a new growth industry, since the utopian Green Economy has gone bust. Who can afford a $40,000 Chev Volt? Anybody who can afford a $40,000 car isn't going to buy a volt. And the majority of people you need to switch cars and clean up emissions are buying $15,000 Ford Focuses. lol

NEWSFLASH TO (G)overnment (M)otors:: You screwed up on the price point. The Volt will be a flop. GM will be bankrupt again.

Posted by: AlbyVA | August 2, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Go, Va., Go!!! I hope every state in the Union follows suit. We are threatened financially and physically by the droves of illegals coming into OUR country and most especially along the border states. We have areas and towns we are warned to stay out of. Americans cannot go into American towns because they have been taken over by illegals? This is despicable!

Posted by: inmanorj | August 2, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I just vacationed in the wonderful state of Virginia. Colonial Williamburg to be exact. Spent lots of loot there. Really nice place and I'll go back often. It's an all-American state along with Arizona.

I hope my own state will stand up for law and order like these two states and help stop the massive invasion of the homeland.

United we stand and divided we will have to push #2 for English.

Posted by: battleground51 | August 2, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Here is a video that will get your blood boiling. Mexicans disgracing our flag!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Ka7y8XrPc

Posted by: PigPen1 | August 2, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

No amnesty of any kind for any illegal alien.

Posted by: jnrentz@aol.com | August 2, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Who's going to clean the toilets in our office buildings?
I wonder if Kooky Ken supports increased fines/penalties for the GOP-leaning business that hire illegals?

Posted by: kashe | August 2, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

: PigPen1

I was THERE! It was awful! They SPAT on the flag. These people do NOT pledge allegiance to our flag OR our country!

Posted by: Barb_AZ | August 2, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Why is this an issue? I am sure Europe has illegal immigrant problem, but without the proper documents you will never be a citizens in those European's countries even with an anchor baby. Just drop anchor baby policy and start nationalize ID program. They can come over here but will receive no benefits, jobs. They will leave. There is no need for border protection, as the Mexican President demanded we let his people enter illegally.

May be those idiots in Congress can learn from other more intelligent countries.

Posted by: drkly | August 2, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

The same thing just got ruled unconstitutional in AZ, so good luck with that VA.

Posted by: markiejoe | August 2, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm just glad I don't have a Canadian accent!

Posted by: djh4 | August 2, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

The same thing just got ruled unconstitutional in AZ, so good luck with that VA.

Posted by: markiejoe | August 2, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What's the problem? Why would any citizen or legal resident of the USA have a problem if a policeman walked up to them and said,

"Excuse me, could I please see some proof of identity - social security card, drivers licence and if you are not a citizen, your Green Card.

So what's the problem? You reach into your wallet or purse and fish out your social security card or green card and that's it. You get a thank-you from the cop and go about your business.

This takes no longer than 30 seconds out of your life - big deal.

The ONLY people who could fear this are illegal aliens - and they SHOULD fear this because they are in the USA ILLEGALLY.

Judge Bolton stated, "Why can't Arizona be as inhospitable as they wish to people who have entered the United States illegally?"

So what's wrong with that? All US states should be inhospitable to illegal aliens and deport them.

And if it means that any citizen can be asked to produce a simple item such as a social security card or green card to achieve this, it's not an issue.

Racism doesn't enter this - it's law enforcement that is the issue.

Posted by: ziggyzap | August 2, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm just glad I don't have a Canadian accent!

Posted by: djh4 | August 2, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

markiejoe,

I'm just curious....how do you respond to these cretins desecrating our American flag, stomping on it, spray painting it, spitting on it...Does that not bother you at all? Seriously...

Posted by: Barb_AZ | August 2, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bob29
So far this guy has alienated hispanics and gays
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God job Kenster!

Posted by: RJFried | August 2, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

This legal opinion is discrimination to the nth degree.

'Discrimination' here means discrimination against those who willfully violates the immigration laws of the sovereign republic of the United States of America.

It enforces the right of the citizens of the U.S. to determine who can, and who cannot, legally live in this country.

Calling it 'discrimination' is an attempt to associate lawful immigration enforcement with something immoral.

Immigration law does not 'discriminate' against any class of people, except those who sneak in illegally, or those who remain illegally.

Should not a sovereign nation want to discriminate between those who break the law, and those who do not?

Posted by: graydon_stephenson | August 2, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

GaryDL perhaps you would agree that the police should be able to check whether you have properly filed your taxes with the IRS when they pull you over for speeding, I mean lets get those LAWBREAKERS too."

Oh, the IRS goes after you if you owe taxes. That part of the law the feds WILL enforce.

Remember, Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion, not any of the murders or any other crimes he committed.

Posted by: onlytheshadowknows1 | August 2, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

This is an open and shut ruling. Obviously the state has the power to detain suspected lawbreakers, regardless of whether the law in question is federal, state or municipal. He's making a reasonable and quite-logical distinction between suspected criminal activity and suspected violation of civil issues.

It basically comes down to a simple question of why anyone who might have broken the law would think that a law-enforcement agent would suspect them of it and just let them walk away as if nothing was wrong? Is this not obvious? If you are stopped on a Virginia highway and in the course of investigating the contents of your vehicle an officer discovers a cache of weapons, would the officer not be right in detaining if not arresting you under suspicion of interstate trafficking of firearms, which is a federal offense? What's the difference?

Are they just supposed to take note of the cache of weapons in your trunk & let you go on your way and write up a memo for the BATF?

Seriously if you're going to cry about this, why do you think that this is wrong, exactly? If your argument comes down to "racial-profiling", get a grip. You don't have to be Latino to be here illegally, no more than you have to be white to be a white-collar criminal.

Posted by: dubya1938 | August 2, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"Here's the real deal people: We need all these unwanted people to make our economy work."

LOL and you call yourself a thinking person?

"Thinking" what, BS?

We most obviously do not need all these "unwanted" people here to make our economy work. Aside that by definition an economy based on illegal activity is a criminal economy, and illegal-aliens are not only illegally here, but it is illegal to employ them just as it is illegal to knowingly aid them.

You make a mockery of the verb "to think". Seriously. Just because you have a thought doesn't make it a good one.

Posted by: dubya1938 | August 2, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Attorny General Cuccinelli is my hero.

I assumed Carlos A. Martinelly Montano was an illegal alien from El Salvador because it seems most of El Salvador's nationals are living in the D.C. area. It turns out, Senor Montano is an illegal alien from Bolivia, South America.


If I were an illegal alien in any country illegally and I had got caught one time for driving without a Driver's License under the influence of alcohol, I would keep a low profile and stay out of trouble. This guy like so many illegal aliens don't give a hoot about U.S., Virginia, D.C., or Maryland laws because they know U.S. liberal politicians will protect them. They can do things and get away with it and citizens like myself would be thrown under a jail cell. I read the crime report daily on the Fourth District Metropolitan Police Department's list serve. On this report daily, I see many Central Americans arrested for drunk driving or driving without a valid Driver's License. Guess what, the D.C. Government has prevented MPD from asking the immigration status of people that commit these type of crimes. If Carlos Montano was deported for his first offense for allegedly driving without a license and being intoxicated, the Roman Catholic nun would be alive today.

Illegal immigration is out of control and many traditional black and white middle class neighborhoods in the D.C. area has become Salvadoran/Central American barrios. I no longer focus on the influx of illegal Salvadorans/Central Americans moving into my Northwest D.C. neighborhood because I would go crazy. This madness is soon to exploded or backfire on U.S. politicians because the U.S. citizenry has had enough and will take to the streets in protests or riots. Rest in peace Terry Anderson. You were a true fighter on behalf of black U.S. citizens in this war against illegal immigration.

Posted by: Ward4DC | August 2, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"I bet if you asked any native American we are all illegal immigrants. "

An entirely vapid perspective, for Native Americans to make judgments on non-"Native Americans" by Western standards.

Don't tout your citizenship and/or legal status here in the US and in the same breath make a mockery of US law. Please.

Posted by: dubya1938 | August 2, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

It seems United States is getting taken over and the most vital dream to humanity “everyone is born free and same under the law no matter which belief or origin” gets sold out.
This dream did not come gratuity. Freedom you have to earn. It has a prize – often life. And definitely you should not get it the easy way snacking in and breaking frontier laws for a life with better opportunities and running away from a country which was not working well- because those who flet were silent and did not try to change at least a little bit.
I am definite in favor of a society based of plurality and with multicultural and multicultural face but I think either Europe after war and U.S since many decades prove they have this societies.
But here I think immigration very often used from persons with no good intents might uncontrolled put inner freedom in risk. Drugs grow at south and not polar circles and bringing uneducated silent persons in with very often no language knowledge who recently often get dropped with guns or drugs will risk all what and is good about pluralism and tolerance.
I am in favor for more control on boarders but think it would be human to evaluate woman and kid entrance more flexible if conditions are given. a society has to protect woman and kids
It is sad to see that such a great nation gets burned out from uncontrolled or un purpose wrong assessment with going by logic with very often tax pay money spending in dump data based information bone collection without propper intercomunitcation and interchange and without vision made the country more weak and failed in evaluation of what is or might become danger to society under global perspective.i am sad for this.
Analysts who serve freedom and democracy in its best are missing , who capture whole perspective and forecast eventualities and be realistic even so it hurts. Not sold out smear persons who don’t care or only for money.
As someone who was immigrant myself and not silent before I think condition for immigrants and refugees have to be done in a way that before they go here and there have a little prove about their freedom and law enforcement at their countries of origin.
I also do think on global level should be a very hard push that for any immigrant who was warmly received in European country or U.S to citizens from there is given a residency as alternative abroad. It is ridiculous to know that from where many persons go it is difficult to get residency.
And worst from all some country leaders who have a record from more than one million refugees who could go in somewhere else are complaining that certain laws are xenophobic.
well to make their own people go is a terrible thing.
As long as this is not brought to balance there is danger that radicals either in Europe and U.S will use their moment for politics.

Posted by: nice2 | August 2, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is Republicans under Bush were all for allowing illegals in because they were cheap labor, and did the jobs that Americans felt were beneath them. Now that the Democrats are in power, the Republicans say illegals are bad.

Remember, Reagan signed an immigration reform bill in 1986 that gave amnesty to many illegal aliens here. John McCain said in the presidential campaign that amnesty needs to be on the table. Now that the Democrats are pretty much keeping the status quo on immigration that the previous administration did, all of a sudden the Republicans think it is bad. Why the change of heart?

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | August 2, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

As a resident of Maryland, I find this policy a bit worrisome.

Posted by: margd1 | August 2, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Well the facts are there were Garcias in California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico long before Cucinellis.
I look toward food to link the importance of imigrant groups.
Italian?. adopted as American.
German?. sausages?.
Europe?. smoked salmon, mashed potatoes.
Russia?. Beet soup?.
Ireland?. Soda bread?.
Mexico?. Carnitas, tacos, guacamole,cornbread,enchiladas.
Would I like to live next to a person who serves moose burgers, or a family who serves fish tacos??.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | August 2, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, I moved hear thinking it a better place, but since this administration has taken over I suppose this will once again become THE CRADLE OF THE CONFEDERACY. Cuch better be real careful. He isn't "to the manner born either" and when they finish rounding up all the other "immigrats" they will soon be coming for him. This is about the most racist crap that this country has done in a long time. This country has become as mean spirited as it was back in the early 50s and 60s. Be careful it doesn't backfire. And by the way, what do they plan to do about Europeans that are here illegally. I suppose that's fine though. What a crock!

Posted by: Khrish | August 2, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

We need illeagals here, they do the jobs FAT&LAZY White and Black Americans won't do.

Posted by: zosodave | August 2, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Good for him. I am so sick of liberals who cry racism and profiling. I believe in neither. Who else would you check for being illegal? Little old white women?

Every one of them needs to be arrested, deported and forever barred from entering the country again or being allowed to get a visa. Let latin america keep it's criminals to itself.

Posted by: VAtrailerTrash | August 2, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Can the Post please get some to write the immigration articles who is familiar with immigration law.

This article like so many before it is sprinkled with errors referencing the law that end up leading to more confusion in an already complex area of the law.

There are too many errors in this article to detail them all, but you you have muddled the distinction between civil and criminal law with respect to immigration, you have misrepresented the authority of a State Attorney General and opinions he may issue in the area of immigration law, and the effect of the same with respect to duties and liabilities of police officers operating beyond their jurisdiction.

Please stop adding to the confusion and disinformation on this topic.

Posted by: lts2 | August 2, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Since when is crossing the border a crime?
It is illegal, but it is not a crime --
except in Arizona - when and if their new law is allowed to take effect.

Posted by: JimHale1 | August 2, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

While I am a Democrat and have never voted for Cucinelli (he was my State Senator) and likely never will, I applaud this interpretation of the law and this new policy. Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers, plain and simple, with no right to be here. They should be questioned when found, arrested, and deported quickly and without ceremony or concern. Period.

(By the way, I am a Democrat who, like many, is rapidly becoming disgusted and disillusioned by my party's lunge to the far-left under Obama.)

Posted by: GaryDL | August 2, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse
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What do you call "far left" ? Explain what you mean by that statement and pinpoint your opinion of a "far left" action committed by President Obama. Reader fools who continue to call him messiah and the one, indicates to me that they simply hate him and use their derogatory words to demean him. This is a decent man who is tackling a horrible mess that came because of Republican lack of governance. He is doing everything in his power to save this country from financial ruin, and trying to even the odds for the working class of Americans who suffer "under the give it away to the wealthiest rule by Republicans".
I've voted both ways throughout my own lifetime, but have never seen Republican politics sink so low into the filthiest of slime. Remember Gingrich's "Contract for America" in which he and money laundering Tom Delay stated they would bring about a "permanent" Republican majority?
Is that what you think is America's future? What exactly do you hate about Obama that causes him to be "far left"?
Because if that were truth, millions upon millions of the rest of us would also be far left in your opinion. Does that include those of us who served in uniform, the blue collar workers who needed Unionization in order to be paid a decent wage and have working condition conducive to safety and their lives? When you call someone "far" anything, you ought to be able to back that up with something truthful and not just your off the wall remarks.
If you truly believe the Democrats are the "far left" than you aren't really paying attention, just rattling off something untrue. In fact you sound more like teabagger nonsense and their "death panels, one world dictatorship, and taking our guns away. This is the talk of uneducated people who perform like lemmings with no real knowledge or concern for the truth. fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | August 2, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse


While I am a Democrat and have never voted for Cucinelli (he was my State Senator) and likely never will, I applaud this interpretation of the law and this new policy. Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers, plain and simple, with no right to be here. They should be questioned when found, arrested, and deported quickly and without ceremony or concern. Period.

(By the way, I am a Democrat who, like many, is rapidly becoming disgusted and disillusioned by my party's lunge to the far-left under Obama.)

Posted by: GaryDL | August 2, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse
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What do you call "far left" Explain what you mean by that statement and pinpoint your opinion of a "far left" action committed by President Obama. Reader fools who continue to call him messiah and the one, indicates to me that they simply hate him and use their derogatory words to demean him. This is a decent man who is tackling a horrible mess that came because of Republican lack of governance. He is doing everything in his power to save this country from financial ruin, and trying to even the odds for the working class of Americans who suffer under the give it away to the wealthiest rule by Republicans.
I've voted both ways throughout my own lifetime, but have never seen Republican politics sink so low into the filthiest of slime. Remember Gingrich's "Contract for America" in which he and money laundering Tom Delay stated they would bring about a "permanent" Republican majority?
Is that what you think is America's future? What exactly do you hate about Obama that causes him to be "far left"?
Because if that were truth, millions upon millions of the rest of us would also be far left in your opinion. Does that include of us who served in uniform, the blue collar workers who needed Unionization in order to be paid a decent wage and have working condition conducive to safety and their lives? When you call someone "far" anything, you ought to be able to back that up with something truthful and not just your off the wall remarks.
If you truly believe the Democrats are the "far left" than you aren't really paying attention, just rattling off something untrue. In fact you sound more like teabagger nonsense and their "death panels, one world dictatorship, and taking our guns away. This is the talk of uneducated people who perform like lemmings with no real knowledge or concern for the truth. fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | August 2, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

The same thing just got ruled unconstitutional in AZ, so good luck with that VA.

Posted by: markiejoe
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*** One Clinton-appointed activist judge is not the last word in constitutional law.

Instead of backing down from the Obama administration, the other states should double down on immigration enforcement.

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 2, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The same thing just got ruled unconstitutional in AZ, so good luck with that VA.

Posted by: markiejoe
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*** One Clinton-appointed activist judge is not the last word in constitutional law.

Instead of backing down from the Obama administration, the other states should double down on immigration enforcement.

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 2, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"If Carlos Montano was deported for his first offense for allegedly driving without a license and being intoxicated, the Roman Catholic nun would be alive today."

You don't know that to be true.
She could have been killed any number of other ways, not to mention that he could have been deported, snuck *back* into the US and still killed her while driving illegally, illegally, illegally...illegally.

As an illegal-alien driving without a license and under the influence who commits manslaughter behind the wheel.

I'm not making a joke out of this, it's happened to me, except the last part was "fleeing the scene of an accident" instead of "manslaughter". Happens all the time in the DC area. I'll be honest with you: it makes me frigging sick to my stomach to see these people walk around like it's no big deal for them to be here, work and live illegally, not to mention the crimes that they commit: assaulting women, drunk & disorderly, gang activity, robbery, rape & murder, and the morons who walk around chanting and waving signs in support of them, talking about how they are "good people" and how they should be allowed to get US citizenship and stay here. I'd like to round every one of them up and put them in a cannon and shoot them south of the border. But I realize that that's hatred and it's wrong...it's just not good to hate them just for what they are and what they do. But that's what they are, and that is what they do, and regardless of how many slogans they chant or signs they wave?

They're just plain flat wrong. On many levels.

We do not need people like this in this country. Yet our country is filling up with them on a daily basis. And if we don't snap out of our fing dreams and realize this and do something, something *legal* about it, then we're in serious trouble. It may already be too late.But we have to do something and it has to be legal and if our government doesn't have the power to do something legal and EFFECTIVE about this then what is the argument? We might as well just open the borders and let them take over.

And it's that simple. It's either our way of life or theirs. Plain and simple. We will either be Americans in America...or gringos in Los Estados Unidos. There is no other way around it.

Posted by: dubya1938 | August 2, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Here is what the illegals in Phoenix do to our city.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/tagging-an-anti-sb-1070-message-in-phoenix

This article reports this as if it were a new phenomenon. I can tell you that it is not. It's been going on for months.

Posted by: Barb_AZ | August 2, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

(By the way, I am a Democrat who, like many, is rapidly becoming disgusted and disillusioned by my party's lunge to the far-left under Obama.)

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In other words, you're a DINO, right....

Posted by: Spassky | August 2, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

You can tell a person who thinks with his politics more than his own brain. Obamas immigration policy is the same immigration policy of the last 4 presidents but now its somehow worse based on who is president?

Posted by: ged0386
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The difference now is the so called healthcare reform, Obama promised that no illegals would receive benefits, all the while intending to give them legal status. The Obama administration is presently exploring options to administratively give the illegals the legal status he is unable to get thru the legislature.
If this is accomplished millions will instantly become eligible for subsidized health insurance.

Posted by: saw1 | August 2, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I concede that a very few citizens and a few Canadians (who I have never heard being part of the illegal problem) may also be questioned-
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That is exactly the point, Gary DL. They won't be questioned, because they're white.

Posted by: Spassky | August 2, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

GaryDL perhaps you would agree that the police should be able to check whether you have properly filed your taxes with the IRS when they pull you over for speeding, I mean lets get those LAWBREAKERS too.

Posted by: crete | August 2, 2010 12:40 PM

I think crete is onto something here... If the police checked for tax returns we certainly would rid ourselves of all those tax evading illegals! Way to go crete!

Posted by: MemberOfGenX | August 2, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

A number of commenters miss the essential point: these people are ILLEGAL and have NO RIGHT to be here. They are LAWBREAKERS and must be treated as such. Period.
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Couldn't agree with you more, Gary, but how do we know that you aren't illegal? Because you don't have an accent?

Posted by: Spassky | August 2, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Re-enter after deportation; MANDATORY 20 year prison term….
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And we all know just how willing you are to pay extra taxes to pay for that, don't we up and over......

Posted by: Spassky | August 2, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The same thing just got ruled unconstitutional in AZ, so good luck with that VA.

Posted by: markiejoe
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Actually it didn't get ruled unconstitutional, the judge delayed implementation of portions of the law she felt "may" be unconstitutional.
Even if the law was found unconstitutional it would only apply to the 9th circuit. It's quite possible to have opposing rulings in different circuits, the track record of the 9th circuit in SCOTUS is pretty dismal, even if the administration wins, I wouldn't celebrate yet

Posted by: saw1 | August 2, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Maryland will have 50,000 more "residents" by weeks end, HA HA!

Posted by: nuke41 | August 2, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"

I concede that a very few citizens and a few Canadians (who I have never heard being part of the illegal problem) may also be questioned-
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That is exactly the point, Gary DL. They won't be questioned, because they're white."

So you're saying that the police will only question non-whites with regards to their immigration status?

I hate to break it to you but the presumption is that they would check status if they have "reasonable suspicion".

Now, "white people", they may be a lot of things but like all people they have defining characteristics other than their skin-color. I'm sure that there are whites in Arizona -even across the country- who will on occasion give the police reasonable suspicion that they are here illegally.

Your statement says that that will not happen.

Your statement lacks credibility, on its face.

Yet you said it anyway.

Posted by: dubya1938 | August 2, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Why do republicans feel they can interpret the law anyway they want, and then use it to violate rights with some sort of legal cover. This is nothing more than the Bush era legal opinions on torture and other unconstitutional acts, covered by some pseudo legal justification. These violations of our Constitution needs to stop and not only after they are ruled unconstitutional!

I'm just as upset about illegal violations of our borders as anyone, but we cannot just throw out the Constitution anytime we want. We are a nation of laws. Republicans like Cuccinelli and other right wing nuts seem to think we are a nation of men. Its a lazy attitude all republicans seem to share. I'd seriously like to see some creative answer, a constitutionally creative answer, to this problem. But I'm not ready to shred the Constitution every time it gets in my way, as right wingnuts seem to be.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 2, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

With Ken Cuccinelli, Rand Paul, Sarah Palin, and Andrew Breitbart the inmates are taking over the (GOP) asylum.

Posted by: chuck8 | August 2, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Cuccinelli ... that name sounds ITALIAN! And his complexion is a little on the dark side, not white like Americans. He even looks a little like that Iranian scumbag Amadinijabberwhatshisname. Let me see your papers Cuccinelli! Hope you carry your birth certificate, the VA police will want to see it.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 2, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Come on we all know what this is really about. I was not old enough to experience first hand the civil rights movement. However, I have read enough to get the gist of that era. When we forget our history we are doomed to repeat it. I am reminded of the words of Martin Niemöller. After the mexicans then who? How many of your decendants came here at Ellis Island. I don't really know the answer but I can see that old familiar beast rising its head yet again.

Posted by: balanceisthekeytolife33 | August 2, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the solution is rather simple. We hire all the illegals to build the Border Fence, then we ship them all to the South side of it in a mass deportation celebration.

Posted by: ssmorehouse | August 2, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Looking through the Va Code I found none that allow police to arbitrarily check the immigration status of anyone. But there are codes that allow and require this status to be determined if they are arrested, legally detained, or taken to a magistrate or correctional facility. Now we can discuss the definition of "legally detained" and how the 5th amendment applies.

Posted by: rsteffens1 | August 2, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Bravo and Thank you Virginia State Attorney
General Cuccinelli we need many more good
courageous political leaders like you and
my courageous Arizona Gov Jan Brewer,but
in our case here in Arizona we sadly to say
only have a Liberal Democrat Do Nothing
Soft on Law and Order Illegal Alien Lover
Amnesty Supporter,pathetic excuse for an
AZ Attorney General and Failure Sanctuary City Phoenix Ex Mayor Now Governor Wannabe
Wimp Terry Goddard! I Support AZ SB 1070 and our Employer Sanctions Law,and I will be voting to re-elect GOP Gov Jan Brewer
and Voting to Throw RINO US Senator Amnesty
John McCain out of office in 2010. VIVA
Virginia Attorney General Cuccinelli! Viva
SB 1070! VIVA AZ Gov Jan Brewer! Thank You!
Arrest & Deport All Illegal Aliens not matter where they come from and Jail all
cheap labor greedy Illegal Alien Employers.
Take Back America From Dictator Obama!

Posted by: sandy5274 | August 2, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse


While I am a Troll and implant and have never voted more than 5 times for Cucinelli (he was my State Senator) and likely always will, I naturally applaud this interpretation of the law and this new policy. Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers, plain and simple, with no right to be here. They should be questioned when found, arrested, and deported quickly and without ceremony or concern. Period.

(By the way, I am a troll who will suck Republican dick for $$

Posted by: ssterno | August 2, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Apparentl;y, the only free people in Virginia are those who are carrying guns in plain sight. I am ashamed of the excesses of discrimination and lack of freedom of our nation. I can recall, when Earl Warren was Chief Justice, when this was a free nation. The police, in those days, knew better than to go on a fishing expedition every time they stopped anyone.

Posted by: samsara15 | August 2, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Sandy5274 needs to get a life, job, or both. Obama is not a dictator. He's not a communist, either. I know, because I am one, and he's never at any of the meetings. :D

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | August 2, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Virginia for seeing the seriousness of the illegal problem. Now, question: a portion of the bill that was put on hold benefitted those people who feel they could be singled out, racist or not, right? Why did the anti-supporters deface the Arizona State flag and the American flag but have spray painted areas around Arizona? http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/video-shows-az-capitol-flag-desecration and http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/tagging-an-anti-sb-1070-message-in-phoenix.

Posted by: arizona3737 | August 2, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

This comment log is getting repetitive.

Posted by: sslmemd | August 2, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Virginia for seeing the seriousness of the illegal problem. Now, question: a portion of the bill that was put on hold benefitted those people who feel they could be singled out, racist or not, right? Why did the anti-supporters deface the Arizona State flag and the American flag but have spray painted areas around Arizona? http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/video-shows-az-capitol-flag-desecration and http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/tagging-an-anti-sb-1070-message-in-phoenix.

Posted by: arizona3737 | August 2, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Under the LAWS of VA, immigration status can only be questioned if you are arrested, legally detained, or brought and charged before a court. So, since when can the Atty Gen write laws? The problem with this is that it leads "You look like a XYZ. Show me your papers."

Should all of us be carrying our passports for the leaders of the Cradle of the Confederacy?

Posted by: ssterno | August 2, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Oregon is an example of an illegal alien criminal invader paradise.

Illegals have the Oregon drivers license or ID card, a Social Security card, sometimes even two pieces of ID with different birth dates. They claim 12 Federal deductions on the W-4.

When the tax man comes they quit and start making tacos selling them from their car. Bypasses tax reporting, health department inspections, business licenses and all the messy paperwork legal citizens are required to possess.

Where does the false ID come from? Used to be Woodburn, Oregon. All these nurseys have little hooches they rent to illegals for $80/mo, little bunk rooms with communal showers, row upon row in Washington county.

Except that the buses drop off lots of school children. Where oh where do they sleep?

Good for Virgina. More states need to follow Arizona's lead since Obama is ignoring our border problem.

Posted by: greatgrandmasue | August 2, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

This is intimidation by a police state. period. We all know who won't be asked to answer police questions about immigration status and the police are about to have a good time harassing folks. The confederate governor and his goon AG should concentrate on cracking down on good ole boys speeding in trucks down I-95 and I-81.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | August 2, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Maybe more illegals will flee north over the Potomac. Life has gotten much better here in Prince Willaim County since they passed their law. fewer adult men cat calling 11-year old girls. Local 7-11 parking lots have stopped smelling like urine. More shopping carts at supermarkets because nobody is stealing them. Fewer incredibly obese children waddling around. Better families have moved into the houses they abandoned. Fewer houses with trash all over the lawn. Fewer grotesquely ugly fat women wearing leopard skin outfits. No more empty beer cans all over the soccer fields.

Posted by: john_bruckner | August 2, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing to me that so many people are so ready to give away their Constitutional Rights so easily over this issue. Even this Supreme Court has ruled that you are NOT required to provide identification just because asked by an police officer, and the idea of a Big Brother style National ID card is extremely offensive to most Americans - those of us who actually VALUE the freedoms that make us different from places where people are required to carry and produce papers on the whim of a governmental official.

There are simple ways to deal with the issue of undocumented workers - PUNISH THE EMPLOYERS who encourage them to come here -MEANINGFUL PUNISHMENT. If the CEO, CFO and major stockholders of corporations were subject to significant prison terms anmd forfeiture of their business interests for hiring undocumented workers, they would not do it, and if they could not get jobs, the workers would not come here. But is much easier to blame the workers, and besides, the businesspeople have the money and clout to make sure they do not suffer for their hiring practices. If you check the REAL statistics, the US in general and AZ in specific actually receive a financial BENEFIT from the undocumented workforce. These people rent houses and apartments, shop in stores (spending every cent of their substandard wages), buy cars and gas, and pay taxes for services (Social Security, tax refunds, Medicare) they will never qualify to receive. Actual Police statistics also confirm that despite the accusations and claims to the contrary, the border states, including AZ, have ALL seen DECREASES in drug AND violent crime in each of the last several years And, despite the current pre-election popularity of this anti-Mexican rage, the reality is that not too many Americans are really willing - or able - to spend 2 to 3 times as much as today's costs for their produce, meat, construction, clothes, nanny services, yard work, etc. There was a good reason W. was so anxious to create a "guest worker" program - his donors and contributors did not want to give up their undocumented workers, or the cheap wages and poor working conditions that go with them.
It is a common psychological effect that when people are anxious about economic conditions they are easily mobilized against "scapegoats," and people who look different are easy targets. Add that to the racism some feel about a bi-racial President, the news reports about whites becoming a minority in the USA, and the political benefit being reaped by those who are working to keep Americans distrustful of each other and it is easy to see that we are becoming an example of the old saying, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Comparing the way Americans came together on 9/11 and the way we are now, it is clear that some forces in our country have accomplished bin Laden's goal - destroying that which made America great - compassion and belief in our nation's goodness.

Posted by: rmcdetal | August 2, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"The problem with this is that it leads "You look like a XYZ. Show me your papers.""

...and you somehow think that that's not how it is *already*?

What do you think that these illegals and their supporters are so afraid of? That it will actually become legitimate for the state police to question them on suspicion of living and working illegally, even for aiding & abetting illegals and trafficking illegals, in Virginia.

They're not going to do it because they're

****LATINO****.

Yet that is exactly how they want to pose the issue.

And that is the exact opposite of what is going to happen.

Posted by: dubya1938 | August 2, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see a real balance darticle. What more should we expect from Helderwoman. Her election coverage was pathetic.

Posted by: espnfan | August 2, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Abraham Lincoln knew the dangers liberals were:

"All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us."

Posted by: john_bruckner | August 2, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

...the game that they are trying to play is to promote the belief that the police will look at them, see that they are Latino, and immediately suspect them of being involved in illegal-immigration, as a way of harassing them.

They are trying to pose a strawman argument to avoid dealing with the fact that the police will look at *some* of them, and *sometimes* suspect *some* of them of being involved in illegal-immigration, and question *some* of them as a way of determining whether they are or not.

You'd have to be a complete idiot to think that a cop would look at you, see that you're Latino or black or whatever and THEREFORE come over and question you about possible criminal activity

AS A WAY OF HARASSING YOU.

Like cops have nothing better to do, and like they have no better ways to harass you than to check you out based on a false suspicion of illegal activity.

And that therefore it's bad policy to let the state police check-out *anyone* for illegal-related activity. It's complete nonsense.

Posted by: dubya1938 | August 2, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

sandy5274 wrote: "I Support AZ SB 1070 and our Employer Sanctions Law..."

Oh yea, the law making it illegal to hire illegals. How many employers in AZ are in jail so far thanks to that law?

Why didn't the 14-year republican majority in congress (6 years with a republican president not vetoing anything) do nothing about what today is such a critical issue? If you want something done about illegals, the republicans are the last group you should be looking at for solutions.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 2, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"Even this Supreme Court has ruled that you are NOT required to provide identification just because asked by an police officer,"

...not if they simply ask you for ID without cause. So you cannot be prosecuted for simply refusing to give an ID.

However if they ask you for ID and you refuse to cooperate, you have then given the police cause to detain you under suspicion of being a public threat. It's all up to the officer to decide this.

I mean I don't understand why people don't realize this on their own, really. If that were not the case, you could be a mass-murderer on the loose and the police could stop you and ask you for ID. You say no and walk away. The police have to stand there and watch you leave? What is so hard to understand about this?

The police have the power to detain and arrest anyone they suspect of either having committed a crime or of being *about* to commit a crime.

They cay say "I suspect, I have reasonable cause to believe, that you were about to commit a crime" and arrest you. Legally. What's high on the list of factors by which they make this decision?

You say "lack of cooperation with a reasonable request made by the police"? Bzzz give that man a $1000.

You may not ever be formally charged and arraigned for not showing an ID, but they sure as hell can detain and make a preliminary arrest if you don't show one.

Posted by: dubya1938 | August 2, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Even China said, in 1999:

"The source country for [U.S.] drugs will not be attacked."

Pretty prescient if you ask me. They are content to halve our population by homos dying of AIDS and liberals of drugs.

Posted by: john_bruckner | August 2, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse


posttoastie1 wrote:

Ok, how does this work? Say I get pulled over in my BMW for doing 57 in a 55 mph zone. The cop's suspicions are aroused by my blatant disregard for speed limits (used to the autobahn), foreign car, blond hair, blue eyes, and otherwise Nordic appearance. Fearing that I am an illegal German immigrant, he asks me for my immigration status. I tell him that I am a U.S. citizen. Not convinced, he asks me how many homers Duke Snider hit in Shibe Park last year. Not hearing the correct answer, he demands to see my papers. Given that I do not carry my birth certificate with me, I have no proof to show him. What does he do now? Does he have the right to detain me until he can confirm that I am indeed a U.S. citizen?

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Don't be silly.

If you're from a State or Commonwealth which complies with the REAL ID Act of 2005 -- most outside of Maryland do -- your driver's permit was issued only after it was determined that you were legally present in the USA.

It's not a question of CITIZENSHIP, remember... it's a question of whether or not you are LEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY.

So, you could be a legal German visa holder such as a graduate student, and have a valid Commonwealth of Virginia DL/ID, and if it wasn't past the expiration date, the officer could look at the DL/ID and call it in to verify that it's not counterfeit/forged, and then tell you Auf Weidersehen Mien Freunde. All he needs to know is that you are legally in the country. Citizen or not, it's not important.

And anyway... if you're a legitimate foreigner, you are already required by law to carry your special documents with you, such as Passport or "Green Card".

Posted by: thardman | August 2, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

greatgrandmasue wrote: "Good for Virgina. More states need to follow Arizona's lead since Obama is ignoring our border problem."

So, are you saying that under Bush and the republican majority we did not have this problem? When did this problem start? Which party has given amnesty in the past? You god Reagan did it. So just why are you blaming democrats? Its republicans that not only ignored the problem, they WANT the cheap labor to continue. Look who Bush put in to head ICE. A know-nothing unqualified niece of a friend. If they wanted to do something they would have done it long ago, but, like abortion, they do nothing except bring it up, like its a new issue, every election year, and wingnuts salivate on every word of it while ignoring that republicans only pay lipservice to the issue.

Cuccinelli should be considered for disbarment for coming up with that joke of a "legal opinion". Can't wait to see him slapped down by the courts for his unAmerican action.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 2, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Go Virginia! We've got your back!

Posted by: Barb_AZ | August 2, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Go Virginia! We've got your back!

Posted by: Barb_AZ | August 2, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

john_bruckner wrote: "Homosexuals support open borders with Mexico because they hope that it will result in an increase in the availability of young boys to bugger."

That would explain why republicans have done nothing to seal borders when they had power.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 2, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I did a Google search for the best price on "IMPEACH Obama" bumper stickers. One website was selling them for $6.99 plus shipping ... and they were on back order!

But I found them selling on ebay in a 3-pack [THREE of them] for just $4.99 with FREE shipping. For those who want them, you too can order them here:

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Be sure to also get on the phone, telling your federal senators and reps to impeach Obama, especially Democrats, so they know how disenchanted voters are with that crazy-Commie fool serving FOREIGN NATIONALS HERE ILLEGALLY.

Posted by: tncdel | August 2, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

This is really not a political issue. If anyone is detained for suspicion of a crime, then the police should have the right to make positive identification and execute apprpirate background checks. I am not a legal scholar, but as I understand it, if a background check indiacates that a person is in violation of the law (immigration or otherwise), this fact should be documented as part of the investigation.

Posted by: Prof-Dr-G | August 3, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse

I am an American currently living in an EU member country. Prior to that, my husband and I lived in Australia for several years. To all of you complaining that our government, by enforcing the laws of this country, is racist...get real. Do you really believe for one second that when I am living in a foreign country that I can just blithely ignore their immigration laws?? Of course not. When I am in a foreign country, it is my obligation to respect and follow the laws that they have enacted, otherwise I am free to go home.

Posted by: Pamela_43 | August 3, 2010 3:39 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me that idiots with no knowledge of immigration law make comments upon these situations, thinking there opinion has value. IT DOESN"T! Enforcing current law is neither discrimination nor profiling. If you do not like a law, work to have it changed. You do not get to decide which laws to NOT obey because they are inconvenient (like the moron using a cell phones while driving and almost ran me off the road).

Posted by: jwi53 | August 3, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Gary DL: Your party is not leaning to the far left...you must be listening to Hannity and that crowd that cares nothing about reporting facts. It's going to be a very long four years. I want the "Impeach Cucinelli" bumper sticker.

Posted by: harrija1 | August 3, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

@JimmyB2...Very naive on your part to suggest that if an illegal witnesses a crime they will report it or be a witness. They often are the source of the crime and are not going come forward..THEY ARE UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGALS and do not want the problems of possibly being identified as such. That argument has no basis. IF THIS LAWBREAKER HAD BEEN DEPORTED THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. SIMPLE AS THAT. We should not just catch and release. WE NEED TO DEPORT..THIS TRAGEDY COULD HAVE BEEN EASILY AVOIDED. NO CITIZENSHIP, DRIVING WHILE DWI, NO LICENSE, AND NOW MURDER.

Posted by: shirleyannlake | August 3, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm a legal citizen and have to show my ID for many things:
1. Pulled over by the police
2. Making a purchase on a credit card
3. Showing up for a Dr. appt.
4. When filling out an application for ?
5. Renewing a drivers lic.
6. Applying for insurance
7. Filling out collage apps.
8. When obtaining prescription drugs
9. When making out of state debit purchases
10. Boarding passes for air travel.
11. Passports required at any foreign hotel
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Why should people in this country illegally be exempt ? ? ? ?
We should guard our borders a closely as every other country does, especially Mexico. I know, I've been there many times.

Posted by: garybelcher1 | August 3, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Well, I moved hear thinking it a better place, but since this administration has taken over I suppose this will once again become THE CRADLE OF THE CONFEDERACY. Cuch better be real careful. He isn't "to the manner born either" and when they finish rounding up all the other "immigrats" they will soon be coming for him. This is about the most racist crap that this country has done in a long time. This country has become as mean spirited as it was back in the early 50s and 60s. Be careful it doesn't backfire. And by the way, what do they plan to do about Europeans that are here illegally. I suppose that's fine though. What a crock!

Posted by: Khrish
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Tell us, please, Khrish--just what "race" is ILLEGAL? And why is it "racist" to ask people who have committed a crime to show their legal status?

Posted by: Ali4 | August 3, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Krish--since "illegal" also includes "Europeans" who are here illegally, they would also be asked to produce proof of status should they commit a crime. Did you happen to read about the Coast Guard boarding a foreign-flagged but American-owned yacht? They detained for deportation a Guatemalan woman and an Irish illegal alien. The latter was the guest of the owner's daughter. What reason, other than your own racism, do you have for believing that AMERICAN police (who may be of ANY race) wouldn't enforce the law evenhandedly?

Posted by: Ali4 | August 3, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps legal immigrants could be required to wear a badge indicating their status as being tolerated outsiders? A yellow star perhaps?

Posted by: ADR2009 | August 3, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

In all those old WWII movies the German SS officer would snarl and say "Your identity papers, please." The next scene had the person being carted away. Is that the America we want?

I am amused at comments that state it will happen only if a person is arrested. Arrested for what? Running a light, a stop sign, littering, jay walking?

Does anyone think the police will ask a white European his/her status?

Posted by: howlala | August 3, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

NO Illegal Alien SCOFFLAW SCAMNESTY !! It Is "TREASON" Against MILLIONS Of UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS !!!

Posted by: lennybeachboy999 | August 3, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Cops can always ask; but a refusal to answer is not grounds for arrest.

Posted by: NancyNaive | August 3, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

lennybeachboy999 - why aren't those "millions of unemployed Americans" working the jobs held by the undocumented? Because they are tough jobs - picking crops, working in slaughterhouses, etc. These are jobs that most Americans are unwilling to do. Also, many Americans are unwilling to move to where the job is. As an employer - if you cannot find anyone willing to work in your chicken slaughterhouse in backwoods Iowa - what do you do? Close the business? I do not see undocumented workers applying for professional jobs - they are applying for the low wage, manual labor positions. If they are a professional, they can be legal through the H1B program.

The feds need to get with it and establish a proper guest worker program to fill these jobs that Americans are unwilling to do... Handle it the same as H1B visas - employer must advertise a set # of times, if no us applicants apply/qualify, allow them to bring in a guest worker for a set amount of time. I know the undocumented here would much rather be here with a guest worker visa than here illegally.

Posted by: kri_kri | August 3, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

There are no farms or slaughterhouses in D.C.

Posted by: Buthulhu | August 3, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I think Virginia is trying to go into segregation again. What they are trying to do is total discrimination!!! They should not be able to arrest people or stop them for IDs just because "THEY THINK" they're illegal. Leave People alone!!! You think the economy is bad now PLEASE without the Mexicans we'll never get anything done. I know because I work in human resources and I see who shows up for work on time and who will work over time to complete dead lines NOT the Americans who are in such need of jobs. It seems like we always have a excuse like its to hot out there, its raining, or yeah Mondays and Fridays seem to be American Construction worker holidays. Ya'll are a bunch of racist pigs. God created us all equal NOT legal. Maybe on Gods Judgement Day he'll send ya'll back to Arizona and VIRGINIA because there are going to be illegals in Heaven or HELL that you don't want to be around!!! Why don't ya'll Rednecks try to help people not hurt them. Not all illegals are criminals! Maybe if you people would stop hunting Mexicans you could stop some of these sick Americans that are kidnapping baby, shooting people, and raping people. Right now the police are letting criminals pass them by while their busy trying to spot someone who MIGHT look illegal. Only God can Judge so why don't you all stop? And yes I'm American born and raised. I don't discriminate or judge people neither should you people.

Posted by: lhumphreys26 | August 4, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Why are we assuming that hispanics are the only people here illegally...this is the problem I have with this particular law!!

Posted by: nancyholly | August 5, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

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